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A taxing concern for pubs

Swindon Advertiser: Hans Hoffbauer Hans Hoffbauer

SWINDON’S Campaign for Real Ale chairman has urged people to sign a petition calling for the abolition of tax hikes which threaten to wreck the pub trade.

Hans Hoffbauer backed the campaign as a push by Camra and the Adver to promote the town’s community pubs entered its final week.

The alcohol duty escalator, introduced by the previous Government, has raised the price by two per cent above inflation each year since 2008 The latest rise, in last month’s budget, comes at a time when pubs are closing at a rate of 33 week, according to industry figures.

Hans said: “We are calling for the escalator to be abolished.

“To increase by the rate of inflation is bad enough, but to add another two per cent is even worse. If the price keeps on increasing at this rate it will be hard for businesses to make a living.

“Some may be able to expand into food but what is certain is that people will buy fewer pints.

“If the price goes up by 5p or 10p, pubs will lose trade as customers on a budget will go to the supermarkets to buy cheap booze and stay at home in front of the TV. It will become hopeless for landlords to make a living out of selling beer if the price of a pint keeps going up.

“A third of the price of a pint is already taken up tax as it is, and if it keeps going up pubs will be priced out of the market.

“The Government also needs to recognise the importance of pubs as a community resource.”

Pubs are also struggling to compete with cheap alcohol in shops, which has led the Government to announce plans to introduce minimum prices.

In the past 10 years, the cost of a pint has gone up 43 per cent in pubs but just one per cent on off licence and supermarket shelves.

Camra is urging the public to support the e-petition, which already has 30,000 signatures, and which will be considered for debate in Parliament if it attracts 100,000 signatures.

Hans addressed the tax campaign on Swindon 105.5 on Tuesday when he appeared with the Adver on Des Morgan’s Roundabout Swindon.

He told listeners: “Camra should be able to achieve the number needed to trigger a debate as the organisation has more than 100,000 members, even if not all of them are on the internet. We want to do this before the next budget so we can stop another rise in the beer duty escalator.”

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8:43pm Wed 25 Apr 12

itsamess says...

When i listen to all the tales of woe about about pubs closing i have mixed feelings. Pubs used to be a great place to meet friends-relax--have-
a drink and a snack. Smoking was ok and despite being a non smoker or drinker it never bothered me.
That quite suddenly changed when the smoking ban came in and to join my friends-we had to go outside in all winds and weathers.
Then prices started to rise--first the breweries then the taxes and less people. The clubs fought back by offering drink deals. Small pubs were unable to offer much due to room being limited and of course general price rises hit family budgets and wage freezes were commonplace. big pubs upped their game in many ways.
Soon the anti groups for drinking and smoking grew pointing out the evils of both-thus a nation of whingers began--kill yourself with smoking or do both and give yourself a choice of deaths destroy your lungs and destroy your liver and other organs. Go for the full set--buy a fossil fuelled car and share the gasses and toxins with everyone.
Funny old world isn't it?
When i listen to all the tales of woe about about pubs closing i have mixed feelings. Pubs used to be a great place to meet friends-relax--have- a drink and a snack. Smoking was ok and despite being a non smoker or drinker it never bothered me. That quite suddenly changed when the smoking ban came in and to join my friends-we had to go outside in all winds and weathers. Then prices started to rise--first the breweries then the taxes and less people. The clubs fought back by offering drink deals. Small pubs were unable to offer much due to room being limited and of course general price rises hit family budgets and wage freezes were commonplace. big pubs upped their game in many ways. Soon the anti groups for drinking and smoking grew pointing out the evils of both-thus a nation of whingers began--kill yourself with smoking or do both and give yourself a choice of deaths destroy your lungs and destroy your liver and other organs. Go for the full set--buy a fossil fuelled car and share the gasses and toxins with everyone. Funny old world isn't it? itsamess
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9:28pm Wed 25 Apr 12

Punctured bicycle on a hillside says...

Good post messy - got a bit extreme near the end though.

Many well run pubs still remain and when the good times return, as they surely will, some great new pubs will also emerge.

I suppose old Robbo might manage to hang on by the skin of his teeth but not by wet sales of course.
Good post messy - got a bit extreme near the end though. Many well run pubs still remain and when the good times return, as they surely will, some great new pubs will also emerge. I suppose old Robbo might manage to hang on by the skin of his teeth but not by wet sales of course. Punctured bicycle on a hillside
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9:43pm Wed 25 Apr 12

Still About says...

No I don't think he will.

I advise people not to go there.

If we pass the sign in the people carrier I point out that it's the same Robert Feal-Martinez that constantly writes to the letters pages.

Most people have heard of him and don't like him.

If they're in any doubt I show them what he gets up to on here.
No I don't think he will. I advise people not to go there. If we pass the sign in the people carrier I point out that it's the same Robert Feal-Martinez that constantly writes to the letters pages. Most people have heard of him and don't like him. If they're in any doubt I show them what he gets up to on here. Still About
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9:53pm Wed 25 Apr 12

Gestiblindus says...

Many businesses are closing because of the state of the economy, why should that be different with pubs?

It is strange how you never hear as many complaints from the many other businesses directly affected by the smoking ban. Only the pubs seem to think they are entitled to special treatment. And then only those that cannot be bothered to change with the times and step up their game to survive a recession.
Many businesses are closing because of the state of the economy, why should that be different with pubs? It is strange how you never hear as many complaints from the many other businesses directly affected by the smoking ban. Only the pubs seem to think they are entitled to special treatment. And then only those that cannot be bothered to change with the times and step up their game to survive a recession. Gestiblindus
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10:14pm Wed 25 Apr 12

itsamess says...

Punctured
Sometimes things happen that make us think--today was one of those days. I had news of a great colleague and friend who died of a drink related disease at 52. I met a friend for lunch i had not seen for years and hardly recognised her and learned that she had recently been diagnosed with COPD and they told her she could not be considered for a lung transplant at 42 until she quit for at least 6 months-stunned when she refused to give up and finally when i got to my hotel i got an e-mail from a friend whose husband had just had some toes removed related to diabetes.
Not a good day.
Punctured Sometimes things happen that make us think--today was one of those days. I had news of a great colleague and friend who died of a drink related disease at 52. I met a friend for lunch i had not seen for years and hardly recognised her and learned that she had recently been diagnosed with COPD and they told her she could not be considered for a lung transplant at 42 until she quit for at least 6 months-stunned when she refused to give up and finally when i got to my hotel i got an e-mail from a friend whose husband had just had some toes removed related to diabetes. Not a good day. itsamess
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10:14pm Wed 25 Apr 12

Punctured bicycle on a hillside says...

Completely agree Gestiblindus.

Still About - good work, Robbo does the lion's share of destroying his own credibility but anyone else can help.
Completely agree Gestiblindus. Still About - good work, Robbo does the lion's share of destroying his own credibility but anyone else can help. Punctured bicycle on a hillside
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10:17pm Wed 25 Apr 12

Punctured bicycle on a hillside says...

itsamess wrote:
Punctured
Sometimes things happen that make us think--today was one of those days. I had news of a great colleague and friend who died of a drink related disease at 52. I met a friend for lunch i had not seen for years and hardly recognised her and learned that she had recently been diagnosed with COPD and they told her she could not be considered for a lung transplant at 42 until she quit for at least 6 months-stunned when she refused to give up and finally when i got to my hotel i got an e-mail from a friend whose husband had just had some toes removed related to diabetes.
Not a good day.
..and on that cheery note...
[quote][p][bold]itsamess[/bold] wrote: Punctured Sometimes things happen that make us think--today was one of those days. I had news of a great colleague and friend who died of a drink related disease at 52. I met a friend for lunch i had not seen for years and hardly recognised her and learned that she had recently been diagnosed with COPD and they told her she could not be considered for a lung transplant at 42 until she quit for at least 6 months-stunned when she refused to give up and finally when i got to my hotel i got an e-mail from a friend whose husband had just had some toes removed related to diabetes. Not a good day.[/p][/quote]..and on that cheery note... Punctured bicycle on a hillside
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10:32pm Wed 25 Apr 12

itsamess says...

Gestiblindus wrote:
Many businesses are closing because of the state of the economy, why should that be different with pubs?

It is strange how you never hear as many complaints from the many other businesses directly affected by the smoking ban. Only the pubs seem to think they are entitled to special treatment. And then only those that cannot be bothered to change with the times and step up their game to survive a recession.
Yes--and locally there are some cracking pubs--for all tastes.
[quote][p][bold]Gestiblindus[/bold] wrote: Many businesses are closing because of the state of the economy, why should that be different with pubs? It is strange how you never hear as many complaints from the many other businesses directly affected by the smoking ban. Only the pubs seem to think they are entitled to special treatment. And then only those that cannot be bothered to change with the times and step up their game to survive a recession.[/p][/quote]Yes--and locally there are some cracking pubs--for all tastes. itsamess
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7:41am Thu 26 Apr 12

localboy88 says...

You guys are sick, old robo hasn't even posted on this story and you attack the bloke and his business. I do hope you are just looking for attention, why are you guys so bitter?
You guys are sick, old robo hasn't even posted on this story and you attack the bloke and his business. I do hope you are just looking for attention, why are you guys so bitter? localboy88
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8:22am Thu 26 Apr 12

Punctured bicycle on a hillside says...

I think you'll find it's Robbo who's looking for attention, just not the sort he normally gets. And yes I am a bitter man but occasionally I'll have a lager, especially in the summer.
I think you'll find it's Robbo who's looking for attention, just not the sort he normally gets. And yes I am a bitter man but occasionally I'll have a lager, especially in the summer. Punctured bicycle on a hillside
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9:13am Thu 26 Apr 12

I 2 Could B says...

itsamess wrote:
Punctured Sometimes things happen that make us think--today was one of those days. I had news of a great colleague and friend who died of a drink related disease at 52. I met a friend for lunch i had not seen for years and hardly recognised her and learned that she had recently been diagnosed with COPD and they told her she could not be considered for a lung transplant at 42 until she quit for at least 6 months-stunned when she refused to give up and finally when i got to my hotel i got an e-mail from a friend whose husband had just had some toes removed related to diabetes. Not a good day.
And in other news, people who've never smoked or touched alcohol die in their thousands every single day.

We'll all die of something, regardless of what we do or don't try and do about it. The only thing that makes sense is for us to do what we feel necessary to make the best of the time we do have available to us.
[quote][p][bold]itsamess[/bold] wrote: Punctured Sometimes things happen that make us think--today was one of those days. I had news of a great colleague and friend who died of a drink related disease at 52. I met a friend for lunch i had not seen for years and hardly recognised her and learned that she had recently been diagnosed with COPD and they told her she could not be considered for a lung transplant at 42 until she quit for at least 6 months-stunned when she refused to give up and finally when i got to my hotel i got an e-mail from a friend whose husband had just had some toes removed related to diabetes. Not a good day.[/p][/quote]And in other news, people who've never smoked or touched alcohol die in their thousands every single day. [p] We'll all die of something, regardless of what we do or don't try and do about it. The only thing that makes sense is for us to do what we feel necessary to make the best of the time we do have available to us. I 2 Could B
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9:58am Thu 26 Apr 12

Still About says...

localboy88 wrote:
You guys are sick, old robo hasn't even posted on this story and you attack the bloke and his business. I do hope you are just looking for attention, why are you guys so bitter?
localboy88 IS Robfm
[quote][p][bold]localboy88[/bold] wrote: You guys are sick, old robo hasn't even posted on this story and you attack the bloke and his business. I do hope you are just looking for attention, why are you guys so bitter?[/p][/quote]localboy88 IS Robfm Still About
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11:10am Thu 26 Apr 12

Robfm says...

Wow exactly how many posts were on thread.? And no SA I am not.

The actual number of pub closures according to the most recent research is 50/week and sadly the majority are traditional pubs.

But with wet sales declining by 6% in pubs for the first quarter, what do HMG do to help, unleash another raft of regulations designed to disrupt more pubs, adding to their costs. Just a flavour:

With the late-night levy and early morning restriction orders (EMROs) not set to come into force until October, a number of other regulations introduced today (25/4)could have a significnant impact for licensees.

They include:

Doubling of the fine for persistent underage sales to £20,000
Making it easier to shut businesses selling alcohol to under-18s
Increasing the period of voluntary closure, as an alternative to a fine, from 48 to 336 hours (14 days)
Health bodies being made responsible authorities so they are automatically notified about new premises applications
The vicinity test being scrapped so that anyone can make representations whether they live close to a premises or not
Temporary event notices being reformed, with environmental health authorities able to object.

As for the petition of course it's a reasonable thing to do but sadly there have been dozens of such petitions by all manner of trade bodies, meeting after to meeting, both with this Government and the previous, promise after promise of red tape reform.

What is the net result, more red tape, higher taxes, increased vulnerability to the whim of the health fanatics and more pub closures.

Government supports pubs, well frankly if that is what they call support I'd rather they didn't, a view I think would be shared by the majority in my industry.
Wow exactly how many posts were on thread.? And no SA I am not. The actual number of pub closures according to the most recent research is 50/week and sadly the majority are traditional pubs. But with wet sales declining by 6% in pubs for the first quarter, what do HMG do to help, unleash another raft of regulations designed to disrupt more pubs, adding to their costs. Just a flavour: With the late-night levy and early morning restriction orders (EMROs) not set to come into force until October, a number of other regulations introduced today (25/4)could have a significnant impact for licensees. They include: Doubling of the fine for persistent underage sales to £20,000 Making it easier to shut businesses selling alcohol to under-18s Increasing the period of voluntary closure, as an alternative to a fine, from 48 to 336 hours (14 days) Health bodies being made responsible authorities so they are automatically notified about new premises applications The vicinity test being scrapped so that anyone can make representations whether they live close to a premises or not Temporary event notices being reformed, with environmental health authorities able to object. As for the petition of course it's a reasonable thing to do but sadly there have been dozens of such petitions by all manner of trade bodies, meeting after to meeting, both with this Government and the previous, promise after promise of red tape reform. What is the net result, more red tape, higher taxes, increased vulnerability to the whim of the health fanatics and more pub closures. Government supports pubs, well frankly if that is what they call support I'd rather they didn't, a view I think would be shared by the majority in my industry. Robfm
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12:39pm Thu 26 Apr 12

Highworth Lad says...

I’m definitely not Robfm and I don’t know whom he is, however I do think it is unfair and very low that you all gang up on him when he hasn’t even posted. Guys you should get a life and grow up, this is not a school yard, this is an open forum for debate and opinions on subject matter not people. It’s so so sad, you all sound sad day in and day out getting very boring.
I’m definitely not Robfm and I don’t know whom he is, however I do think it is unfair and very low that you all gang up on him when he hasn’t even posted. Guys you should get a life and grow up, this is not a school yard, this is an open forum for debate and opinions on subject matter not people. It’s so so sad, you all sound sad day in and day out getting very boring. Highworth Lad
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12:43pm Thu 26 Apr 12

Still About says...

Highworth Lad wrote:
I’m definitely not Robfm and I don’t know whom he is, however I do think it is unfair and very low that you all gang up on him when he hasn’t even posted. Guys you should get a life and grow up, this is not a school yard, this is an open forum for debate and opinions on subject matter not people. It’s so so sad, you all sound sad day in and day out getting very boring.
You don't know who he is?
You will

He does not regard this as an open forum, but his own private stage.

I doubt anyone believes that you don't know who he is
[quote][p][bold]Highworth Lad[/bold] wrote: I’m definitely not Robfm and I don’t know whom he is, however I do think it is unfair and very low that you all gang up on him when he hasn’t even posted. Guys you should get a life and grow up, this is not a school yard, this is an open forum for debate and opinions on subject matter not people. It’s so so sad, you all sound sad day in and day out getting very boring.[/p][/quote]You don't know who he is? You will He does not regard this as an open forum, but his own private stage. I doubt anyone believes that you don't know who he is Still About
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1:06pm Thu 26 Apr 12

Robfm says...

SA but you and a number of others believe anyone who doesn't subscribe to the Robfm bashing must be me.

When was the last time if ever you commented on the substance of an article.

As for pubs the news continues to be down beat, and for those who think a full pub means the operators must be making money, perhaps they should watch this video clip.

http://www.guardian.
co.uk/commentisfree/
video/2012/mar/16/pu
b-closures-pubcos-la
ndlords-punch-video?
CMP=twt_gu
SA but you and a number of others believe anyone who doesn't subscribe to the Robfm bashing must be me. When was the last time if ever you commented on the substance of an article. As for pubs the news continues to be down beat, and for those who think a full pub means the operators must be making money, perhaps they should watch this video clip. http://www.guardian. co.uk/commentisfree/ video/2012/mar/16/pu b-closures-pubcos-la ndlords-punch-video? CMP=twt_gu Robfm
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2:41pm Thu 26 Apr 12

ManWithCar says...

You would have thought the CAMRA chairman would have chosen a real pub to be photographed at such as the Roaring Donkey or The Wheatsheaf. I've never seen a pint of real ale on offer regularly at Yates's!

So many factors affect what people choose to do - smoking bans, the recession, supermarket offers... the pub just isn't the place to meet and enjoy yourself for lots of people! I do try to support my locals though and still enjoy a decent pint regularly. Let's hope this escalator can be banned, if only for freedom of choice on how we spend our evenings.
You would have thought the CAMRA chairman would have chosen a real pub to be photographed at such as the Roaring Donkey or The Wheatsheaf. I've never seen a pint of real ale on offer regularly at Yates's! So many factors affect what people choose to do - smoking bans, the recession, supermarket offers... the pub just isn't the place to meet and enjoy yourself for lots of people! I do try to support my locals though and still enjoy a decent pint regularly. Let's hope this escalator can be banned, if only for freedom of choice on how we spend our evenings. ManWithCar
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2:41pm Thu 26 Apr 12

ManWithCar says...

You would have thought the CAMRA chairman would have chosen a real pub to be photographed at such as the Roaring Donkey or The Wheatsheaf. I've never seen a pint of real ale on offer regularly at Yates's!

So many factors affect what people choose to do - smoking bans, the recession, supermarket offers... the pub just isn't the place to meet and enjoy yourself for lots of people! I do try to support my locals though and still enjoy a decent pint regularly. Let's hope this escalator can be banned, if only for freedom of choice on how we spend our evenings.
You would have thought the CAMRA chairman would have chosen a real pub to be photographed at such as the Roaring Donkey or The Wheatsheaf. I've never seen a pint of real ale on offer regularly at Yates's! So many factors affect what people choose to do - smoking bans, the recession, supermarket offers... the pub just isn't the place to meet and enjoy yourself for lots of people! I do try to support my locals though and still enjoy a decent pint regularly. Let's hope this escalator can be banned, if only for freedom of choice on how we spend our evenings. ManWithCar
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5:52pm Thu 26 Apr 12

Robfm says...

ManWithCar sadly the escalator is just the tip of a very big iceberg affecting my industry.
ManWithCar sadly the escalator is just the tip of a very big iceberg affecting my industry. Robfm
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7:10pm Thu 26 Apr 12

MrAngry says...

@ManWithCar.

I thought the same about Yates, but it looks like they have used an old photo. Hans Hoffbauer is clearly holding a ruler in his hand. Photo must have been taken when they ran a story about the size of the head on a pint.

Prefer lager to bitter personally, but don't mind paying a bit more for a nice pint of Peroni.
@ManWithCar. I thought the same about Yates, but it looks like they have used an old photo. Hans Hoffbauer is clearly holding a ruler in his hand. Photo must have been taken when they ran a story about the size of the head on a pint. Prefer lager to bitter personally, but don't mind paying a bit more for a nice pint of Peroni. MrAngry
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7:51pm Thu 26 Apr 12

itsamess says...

Bob most of the regulations you refer to affect many businesses not just the pubs.
Clearly pubs have a different level of responsibility due to customers drinking on the premises. Quite clearly due to the rise in crime due to excess drinking--even though customers may have bought cheap booze prior to going into a club or pub-the supermarkets etc do not have that responsibility as the booze is not consumed on the premise
It is also fair to say-from previous threads- there can be a price difference in same brewers pubs if they are managed or not. Clearly customers will if they like a certain drink and are regular drinkers and another pub provides a cheaper drink and the bonus of entertainment or snacks--they will take their business elsewhere. That is common sense.
Bob most of the regulations you refer to affect many businesses not just the pubs. Clearly pubs have a different level of responsibility due to customers drinking on the premises. Quite clearly due to the rise in crime due to excess drinking--even though customers may have bought cheap booze prior to going into a club or pub-the supermarkets etc do not have that responsibility as the booze is not consumed on the premise It is also fair to say-from previous threads- there can be a price difference in same brewers pubs if they are managed or not. Clearly customers will if they like a certain drink and are regular drinkers and another pub provides a cheaper drink and the bonus of entertainment or snacks--they will take their business elsewhere. That is common sense. itsamess
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8:23pm Thu 26 Apr 12

I Too says...

There are some more recent pictures here
http://m.flickr.com/
#/photos/73970391@N0
3/
There are some more recent pictures here http://m.flickr.com/ #/photos/73970391@N0 3/ I Too
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7:27am Fri 27 Apr 12

I Too says...

Oops.
Doesn't work with punctuation marks

http://m.flickr.com/
#/photos/73970391@N0
3/

That should be better :-)
Oops. Doesn't work with punctuation marks http://m.flickr.com/ #/photos/73970391@N0 3/ That should be better :-) I Too
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8:28am Fri 27 Apr 12

Robfm says...

Of course you know better Walter, I bow to your superior knowledge of my industry.!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!
Of course you know better Walter, I bow to your superior knowledge of my industry.!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!! Robfm
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8:53am Fri 27 Apr 12

itsamess says...

Slipping back into using abusive terms again bobby.
So corner shops etc have the same laws as pubs-same levels of crime and public disorder as pubs?
Are you now saying there is no price differential between same brewer pubs that are leased or managed--it was not that long ago there was quite a debate about that quite recently-guess all those on that debate were all non experts then?
Slipping back into using abusive terms again bobby. So corner shops etc have the same laws as pubs-same levels of crime and public disorder as pubs? Are you now saying there is no price differential between same brewer pubs that are leased or managed--it was not that long ago there was quite a debate about that quite recently-guess all those on that debate were all non experts then? itsamess
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9:58am Fri 27 Apr 12

Robfm says...

Does your post actually have any relevance to the article or for that matter make any sense. What has a debate on pricing got to do with new legislation.

There is no knew legislation on pricing merely a consultation.
Does your post actually have any relevance to the article or for that matter make any sense. What has a debate on pricing got to do with new legislation. There is no knew legislation on pricing merely a consultation. Robfm
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10:15am Fri 27 Apr 12

The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man says...

"Doubling of the fine for persistent underage sales to £20,000
Making it easier to shut businesses selling alcohol to under-18s
Increasing the period of voluntary closure, as an alternative to a fine, from 48 to 336 hours (14 days)
Health bodies being made responsible authorities so they are automatically notified about new premises applications
The vicinity test being scrapped so that anyone can make representations whether they live close to a premises or not
Temporary event notices being reformed, with environmental health authorities able to object."

These all seem like completely sensible measures to take - why the objection to them?
"Doubling of the fine for persistent underage sales to £20,000 Making it easier to shut businesses selling alcohol to under-18s Increasing the period of voluntary closure, as an alternative to a fine, from 48 to 336 hours (14 days) Health bodies being made responsible authorities so they are automatically notified about new premises applications The vicinity test being scrapped so that anyone can make representations whether they live close to a premises or not Temporary event notices being reformed, with environmental health authorities able to object." These all seem like completely sensible measures to take - why the objection to them? The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man
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10:26am Fri 27 Apr 12

Robfm says...

Simply because it allows political interference in decision making, something the Industry was told wouldn't happen with the change to LA's.

Theoretically all the trolls on here no matter where they live in the borough could seek a review of our licence, they have consistently shown their maliciousness.

The voluntary close thing should be resisted and let the police use their section 19 powers correctly. IE go to court.

Persistent is just 3.

TEN'S are already heavily regulated re the prime objectives.
Simply because it allows political interference in decision making, something the Industry was told wouldn't happen with the change to LA's. Theoretically all the trolls on here no matter where they live in the borough could seek a review of our licence, they have consistently shown their maliciousness. The voluntary close thing should be resisted and let the police use their section 19 powers correctly. IE go to court. Persistent is just 3. TEN'S are already heavily regulated re the prime objectives. Robfm
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12:48pm Fri 27 Apr 12

I Too says...

Your pub is failing only because of you, not politics.

My friend said he went in there with a large group of friends for his 17th birthday.

When one of his friends asked if you sold anything besides Arkells, you were very rude to them.

They all drank up their pints and left soon afterwards, never to return
Your pub is failing only because of you, not politics. My friend said he went in there with a large group of friends for his 17th birthday. When one of his friends asked if you sold anything besides Arkells, you were very rude to them. They all drank up their pints and left soon afterwards, never to return I Too
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12:55pm Fri 27 Apr 12

I Too says...

Robfm wrote:
SA but you and a number of others believe anyone who doesn't subscribe to the Robfm bashing must be me.

When was the last time if ever you commented on the substance of an article.

As for pubs the news continues to be down beat, and for those who think a full pub means the operators must be making money, perhaps they should watch this video clip.

http://www.guardian.

co.uk/commentisfree/

video/2012/mar/16/pu

b-closures-pubcos-la

ndlords-punch-video?

CMP=twt_gu
Oh and the video you're promoting is rubbish

Here's a couple of better ones

http://m.flickr.com/
#/photos/73970391@N0
3/6939075290/

http://m.flickr.com/
#/photos/73970391@N0
3/7058829839/
[quote][p][bold]Robfm[/bold] wrote: SA but you and a number of others believe anyone who doesn't subscribe to the Robfm bashing must be me. When was the last time if ever you commented on the substance of an article. As for pubs the news continues to be down beat, and for those who think a full pub means the operators must be making money, perhaps they should watch this video clip. http://www.guardian. co.uk/commentisfree/ video/2012/mar/16/pu b-closures-pubcos-la ndlords-punch-video? CMP=twt_gu[/p][/quote]Oh and the video you're promoting is rubbish Here's a couple of better ones http://m.flickr.com/ #/photos/73970391@N0 3/6939075290/ http://m.flickr.com/ #/photos/73970391@N0 3/7058829839/ I Too
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4:19pm Fri 27 Apr 12

Punctured bicycle on a hillside says...

Poor old Robbo, turns out that selling beer and nuts isn't quite as easy as he thought.
Poor old Robbo, turns out that selling beer and nuts isn't quite as easy as he thought. Punctured bicycle on a hillside
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5:31pm Fri 27 Apr 12

Robfm says...

I Too, you are lying, firstly were a large group of youngsters to come in they would be ID, in fact just one would.

Secondly I do not recall any such incident, and thirdly we sell lots of other products.

As for having a 17 year old friend !!!!!!!
I Too, you are lying, firstly were a large group of youngsters to come in they would be ID, in fact just one would. Secondly I do not recall any such incident, and thirdly we sell lots of other products. As for having a 17 year old friend !!!!!!! Robfm
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6:49pm Fri 27 Apr 12

Blackwell 2 says...

Terrible memory problem.

I recall hearing about it
Especially as one of them was the son of a prestigious local.

Of course the 17 year old didn't order alcohol, but the rest were flabbergasted
Terrible memory problem. I recall hearing about it Especially as one of them was the son of a prestigious local. Of course the 17 year old didn't order alcohol, but the rest were flabbergasted Blackwell 2
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9:46pm Fri 27 Apr 12

itsamess says...

"Does your post actually have any relevance to the article or for that matter make any sense. What has a debate on pricing got to do with new legislation".

"There is no knew legislation on pricing merely a consultation"

Yes it does Bob-taxing times has a few meanings.
You cannot understand my post-nothing "KNEW" there-you do have trouble with like words-dont yew.
The general legislation does affect any business that sells alcohol and many products. However pubs and clubs have the burden to refuse to serve those they believe to
consumed enough to cause them to think they are drunk.
Pricing you went to great lengths to inform us on other posts was because managed pubs had to sell at the price the brewery set out-tenanted pubs could charge what they chose-taxing decisions in both reasons.
I had better explain that as your brain may be incapable to work that out-taxing as it would alter the tax applicable on a pint. Taxing as it is a dilemna to decide if lowering the price would affect sales--no new legislation--new legislation is regular and not specifically aimed at pubs but would apply.
Very taxing.
"Does your post actually have any relevance to the article or for that matter make any sense. What has a debate on pricing got to do with new legislation". "There is no knew legislation on pricing merely a consultation" Yes it does Bob-taxing times has a few meanings. You cannot understand my post-nothing "KNEW" there-you do have trouble with like words-dont yew. The general legislation does affect any business that sells alcohol and many products. However pubs and clubs have the burden to refuse to serve those they believe to consumed enough to cause them to think they are drunk. Pricing you went to great lengths to inform us on other posts was because managed pubs had to sell at the price the brewery set out-tenanted pubs could charge what they chose-taxing decisions in both reasons. I had better explain that as your brain may be incapable to work that out-taxing as it would alter the tax applicable on a pint. Taxing as it is a dilemna to decide if lowering the price would affect sales--no new legislation--new legislation is regular and not specifically aimed at pubs but would apply. Very taxing. itsamess
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7:57am Sat 28 Apr 12

Robfm says...

KNEW is spelt NEW in the context you use it. As for the resy gargled and unintelligible.

B2 you would agree with yourself wouldn't you. Everyone knows you are I TOO, you are just repeating your lie, the incident never happened.

I don't think we have anyone in the village who would either describe themselves or be referred to as Prestigious. So perhaps you could name him.
KNEW is spelt NEW in the context you use it. As for the resy gargled and unintelligible. B2 you would agree with yourself wouldn't you. Everyone knows you are I TOO, you are just repeating your lie, the incident never happened. I don't think we have anyone in the village who would either describe themselves or be referred to as Prestigious. So perhaps you could name him. Robfm
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8:02am Sat 28 Apr 12

Robfm says...

Meanwhile Maypole has been received very well in the pub, excellent taste, aroma, and after-palate.

Not your usual insipid mild. Well done Alex.
Meanwhile Maypole has been received very well in the pub, excellent taste, aroma, and after-palate. Not your usual insipid mild. Well done Alex. Robfm
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8:45am Sat 28 Apr 12

itsamess says...

Bob @9=58 am friday

"There is no knew legislation on pricing merely a consultation"

Must be a little 'taxing' for you to understand the english language. Very surprising as you have claimed to have taught both kids and adults.
Your problem seems to be you do not read what folk have said.
If you read back-you will find i pointed out your error.
Let me explain that know has a different meaning to no-knew has a different meaning to new as does sort and sought-just 3 of many regular errors you make. Conclusion being-if you cannot understand basic words-you are hard pressed to understand sentences.
Do not use your old standby that i am off topic as your last three posts are off topic.
Bob @9=58 am friday "There is no knew legislation on pricing merely a consultation" Must be a little 'taxing' for you to understand the english language. Very surprising as you have claimed to have taught both kids and adults. Your problem seems to be you do not read what folk have said. If you read back-you will find i pointed out your error. Let me explain that know has a different meaning to no-knew has a different meaning to new as does sort and sought-just 3 of many regular errors you make. Conclusion being-if you cannot understand basic words-you are hard pressed to understand sentences. Do not use your old standby that i am off topic as your last three posts are off topic. itsamess
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9:00am Sat 28 Apr 12

Still About says...

I seem to remember hearing about that incident.
How old is that lad now?
I seem to remember hearing about that incident. How old is that lad now? Still About
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11:56am Sat 28 Apr 12

Robfm says...

No the off topic standby is yours Walter wouldn't wish to deny you of that.

I'll leave others to decide if your use of the word was in context. 'You cannot understand my post-nothing "KNEW" there'.

Oh heavens SA's now repeating lies, guess it's an improvement on simple abuse.
No the off topic standby is yours Walter wouldn't wish to deny you of that. I'll leave others to decide if your use of the word was in context. 'You cannot understand my post-nothing "KNEW" there'. Oh heavens SA's now repeating lies, guess it's an improvement on simple abuse. Robfm
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12:37pm Sat 28 Apr 12

Punctured bicycle on a hillside says...

Robbo can't you understand it's you who got it all wrong and messy was taking the piѕs out you?
Robbo can't you understand it's you who got it all wrong and messy was taking the piѕs out you? Punctured bicycle on a hillside
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12:59pm Sat 28 Apr 12

Robfm says...

Punctured, coming from the site master troll, I think you have little room to sneer.
Punctured, coming from the site master troll, I think you have little room to sneer. Robfm
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1:47pm Sat 28 Apr 12

itsamess says...

Problem is bobby--it is far easier to admit you have problems-rather than try to say it means something else-unless you have a way to change the english language--still its far easier for you to call everyone trolls and liars-in the vain (or is it vane or vein) hope folk would not spot your gaffes-throw in a little abuse--just to send the post off track eh!
Problem is bobby--it is far easier to admit you have problems-rather than try to say it means something else-unless you have a way to change the english language--still its far easier for you to call everyone trolls and liars-in the vain (or is it vane or vein) hope folk would not spot your gaffes-throw in a little abuse--just to send the post off track eh! itsamess
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2:10pm Sat 28 Apr 12

Gestiblindus says...

In a recession not every business will survive. That includes pubs as much as it does any other industry.

At a time when major retailers, major manufacturers, and major service providers are cutting staff and facing closure, how much of an impact does the loss of a few pubs have on the economy? Not much. And certainly not the same level of impact as a major employer making a thousand people in a community redundant on the same day.

Bleating on about what a terrible world it is is not going to save any business. It just shows that someone is more intent on finding excuses than making a difference for themselves.

Those businesses that survive will do so by adapting to a changing market. And if some of the competition is lost, then that is more potential income to be had by those that remain.
In a recession not every business will survive. That includes pubs as much as it does any other industry. At a time when major retailers, major manufacturers, and major service providers are cutting staff and facing closure, how much of an impact does the loss of a few pubs have on the economy? Not much. And certainly not the same level of impact as a major employer making a thousand people in a community redundant on the same day. Bleating on about what a terrible world it is is not going to save any business. It just shows that someone is more intent on finding excuses than making a difference for themselves. Those businesses that survive will do so by adapting to a changing market. And if some of the competition is lost, then that is more potential income to be had by those that remain. Gestiblindus
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10:22am Sun 29 Apr 12

Robfm says...

Gestiblindus, oh really try £500 million in tax receipts from my industry lost since the smoking ban.

With tax revenues dropping from the sector at the rate of 7% per annum, which will obviously increase as more close.

Of course HMG can afford to lose that amount, and what about the £3 billion wasted on promoting bans and smoking cessation, and the £400 million a year still being wasted on a false premise.
Gestiblindus, oh really try £500 million in tax receipts from my industry lost since the smoking ban. With tax revenues dropping from the sector at the rate of 7% per annum, which will obviously increase as more close. Of course HMG can afford to lose that amount, and what about the £3 billion wasted on promoting bans and smoking cessation, and the £400 million a year still being wasted on a false premise. Robfm
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11:32am Sun 29 Apr 12

itsamess says...

Bob
When any business closes as tax and revenues are lost-both locally and nationally-the jobless no doubt then claim benefits. Its a viscious circle.
Bob When any business closes as tax and revenues are lost-both locally and nationally-the jobless no doubt then claim benefits. Its a viscious circle. itsamess
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1:05pm Sun 29 Apr 12

MrAngry says...

Robfm wrote:
KNEW is spelt NEW in the context you use it. As for the resy gargled and unintelligible.

B2 you would agree with yourself wouldn't you. Everyone knows you are I TOO, you are just repeating your lie, the incident never happened.

I don't think we have anyone in the village who would either describe themselves or be referred to as Prestigious. So perhaps you could name him.
KNEW was a reference to your original post - "There is no knew (sic) legislation on pricing merely a consultation"

As for 'resy' and 'gargled' did you mean 'rest' and 'garbled'?
[quote][p][bold]Robfm[/bold] wrote: KNEW is spelt NEW in the context you use it. As for the resy gargled and unintelligible. B2 you would agree with yourself wouldn't you. Everyone knows you are I TOO, you are just repeating your lie, the incident never happened. I don't think we have anyone in the village who would either describe themselves or be referred to as Prestigious. So perhaps you could name him.[/p][/quote]KNEW was a reference to your original post - "There is no knew (sic) legislation on pricing merely a consultation" As for 'resy' and 'gargled' did you mean 'rest' and 'garbled'? MrAngry
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1:42pm Sun 29 Apr 12

Gestiblindus says...

Robfm wrote:
Gestiblindus, oh really try £500 million in tax receipts from my industry lost since the smoking ban.

With tax revenues dropping from the sector at the rate of 7% per annum, which will obviously increase as more close.

Of course HMG can afford to lose that amount, and what about the £3 billion wasted on promoting bans and smoking cessation, and the £400 million a year still being wasted on a false premise.
Best check your numbers Robbo.
[quote][p][bold]Robfm[/bold] wrote: Gestiblindus, oh really try £500 million in tax receipts from my industry lost since the smoking ban. With tax revenues dropping from the sector at the rate of 7% per annum, which will obviously increase as more close. Of course HMG can afford to lose that amount, and what about the £3 billion wasted on promoting bans and smoking cessation, and the £400 million a year still being wasted on a false premise.[/p][/quote]Best check your numbers Robbo. Gestiblindus
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4:18pm Sun 29 Apr 12

Scrumps says...

All we hear these days is EXCUSES from failing bars. As demographics and socioeconomics change business's need to adapt and change with them. Some simple landlords seem unable to grasp this basic rule of business, change or die.

That said when you consider most failing pubs are run by retired second rate footballers or disgraced former coppers it is hardly surprising that they have no business skills whatsoever.

Rather they make EXCUSES, high tax, smoking bans, cheap booze in tescos, blah blah blah.

They should quit making excuses and learn how to manage and develop a business.
All we hear these days is EXCUSES from failing bars. As demographics and socioeconomics change business's need to adapt and change with them. Some simple landlords seem unable to grasp this basic rule of business, change or die. That said when you consider most failing pubs are run by retired second rate footballers or disgraced former coppers it is hardly surprising that they have no business skills whatsoever. Rather they make EXCUSES, high tax, smoking bans, cheap booze in tescos, blah blah blah. They should quit making excuses and learn how to manage and develop a business. Scrumps
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8:18pm Sun 29 Apr 12

itsamess says...

Scrumps
Absolutely. You would think those with 30 years experience would have grasped that.
Scrumps Absolutely. You would think those with 30 years experience would have grasped that. itsamess
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11:28am Mon 30 Apr 12

The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man says...

Scrumps wrote:
All we hear these days is EXCUSES from failing bars. As demographics and socioeconomics change business's need to adapt and change with them. Some simple landlords seem unable to grasp this basic rule of business, change or die.

That said when you consider most failing pubs are run by retired second rate footballers or disgraced former coppers it is hardly surprising that they have no business skills whatsoever.

Rather they make EXCUSES, high tax, smoking bans, cheap booze in tescos, blah blah blah.

They should quit making excuses and learn how to manage and develop a business.
Despite the obvious personal flaming and baiting in this post, as a general observation I actually agree with much of what you say. But then it's easier to blame others that admit your own shortcomings isn't it?
[quote][p][bold]Scrumps[/bold] wrote: All we hear these days is EXCUSES from failing bars. As demographics and socioeconomics change business's need to adapt and change with them. Some simple landlords seem unable to grasp this basic rule of business, change or die. That said when you consider most failing pubs are run by retired second rate footballers or disgraced former coppers it is hardly surprising that they have no business skills whatsoever. Rather they make EXCUSES, high tax, smoking bans, cheap booze in tescos, blah blah blah. They should quit making excuses and learn how to manage and develop a business.[/p][/quote]Despite the obvious personal flaming and baiting in this post, as a general observation I actually agree with much of what you say. But then it's easier to blame others that admit your own shortcomings isn't it? The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man
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