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We will not budge, say street traders


WE won’t budge – that’s the message from street traders who face being banned from the town centre.

The independent stall-holders say they will defy a council order to prohibit them from parts of Regent Street, The Parade, Bridge Street, and Canal Walk as of March 31.

Their stand comes six months after the council’s licensing committee agreed to stop street trading to ‘tidy up’ the town centre in readiness for regeneration.

Biage Mazzotta, who has been running his doughnut stall in the town centre for 13 years, said yesterday he would not go along with any of the council plans.

The 49-year-old said he will have to be forcefully removed if the council want him and his wife Barbara to vacate their current premises underneath the tent in The Parade.

“I am not leaving,” he said. “It is simple as that. This council is acting shamefully and I have already put a complaint into the Ombudsman about it.

“Where are people going to get a coffee or tea for 70p if people like us aren’t around?

“This is a David and Goliath battle – I wonder if the council would ever take this sort of action against Marks and Spencer?

“It’s a complete double standard.”

Meanwhile, Jackie Clark, who has run a town centre flower stall for 25 years, said if she moved to where the council hopes to put her she “wouldn’t last a year”.

She said: “About 60 per cent of our business comes from footfall. If the council put us outside the town centre we will not last a year, I can promise you that.

“Street selling is an old English tradition and we offer people custom-made products that they can’t get in supermarkets where everything is pre-packaged. We think we provide a service for the town centre, we make it lively and busy.

“Our stall has customers from all over from Didcot to Oxford so we actually bring people into the town.

“I think one of the major problems is the way the council approached this decision. The people of Swindon were not allowed to have their say, a decision was taken by a panel.

“But the feedback we are getting is people want us here.”

The National Market Traders Federation claimed the move was out of step with other towns and cities in the UK that are trying to harness their most unique traders.

Roy Holland, the federation’s communication manager, said: “The Government has just published a new document that says councils should enhance and cherish their markets.

“I mean this is how town centres began – with market stall holders. Business people only moved into shops when they wanted more secure premises.

“We had a similar situation in Rugby recently when the council moved traders away, when they began to fail they were moved back, however the shop-keepers said they didn’t want them there.

“But when they were returned no one complained again because business picked up for everyone.”

Comments(50)

batch says...
8:29am Sat 20 Mar 10

Typical idiot council. why they feel the need to waste time and effort on trying to polish the turd that is the Town centre is beyond me. The council has had years before the recession to move Swindon forwards in redeveloping the town centre and what did each successive council do? Nothing but blame the previous administration. Take a look at Basingstoke and Reading for how it could have been done. I digress. Why the heck do the council believe moving street traders on will be beneficial to the Town? It makes no sense. There can't really be people sitting around reading this story thinking "ooh, no flower stall in front of Debenhams, well that's it I'm off to shop Swindon now". Fact is these stalls provide goods and service largely not available in the big shops. And where is the public consultation on what the tax payers of the borough actually want?

Taffynut says...
8:45am Sat 20 Mar 10

Of course the council are typical idiots! They don't know what they are talking aboout. I have bought flowers from that stall in the Parade and find the ownedr so polite also the doughnut stall. Whatever the Council is thinking, they are thinking like Hitler. We should stand up and support the ttraders with brutal force. The Council have already wasted so very much money on rubbish dealings, those traders are dealing in REALITY not rubbish.
Think of all the money spent on WiFi ! They should support long running market traders not wasting OUR money.
Look at Picadilly in London ! traders are showing their wares on the railings and enjoying the day, our Council is making us miserable with Communism ideas, we live in 2000 not 1800, so we live as time goes on.

Bobfm says...
9:04am Sat 20 Mar 10

'The National Market Traders Federation claimed the move was out of step with other towns and cities in the UK that are trying to harness their most unique traders.

Roy Holland, the federation’s communication manager, said: “The Government has just published a new document that says councils should enhance and cherish their markets.'

That would be Swindon Borough Council then, out of step again.

oldwiseone says...
9:17am Sat 20 Mar 10

perhaps this is just me and I'm sure my view will be unpopular but hey in the essence of free speach....
This surely is a good thing? Why do we want the first thing people visiting the town to see to be a doughnut van?! With a load of kids hanging around it? I admit at least the flower stall adds a little beauty to a dull area though.
I'm not sure mobile phone assessories or doughnut stalls add anything to the town.
If they wish to still trade they should be offered chaeper rents on the many vacant shops.

Robh says...
9:35am Sat 20 Mar 10

I think oldwiseone hit the nail on the head. Vacant shops are a problem in many town centres but councils don't want to bend on rent and rates. They think that they can force traders into the shops by taking away other trading opportunities.

I did notice that the article doesn't have anyone from the council claiming responsibility for the proposal.

TinkeyWinkey says...
9:58am Sat 20 Mar 10

Can't blame this town being an eye-sore on the street traders, who I have to say are alot more friendly than some of the staff in the High Street Stores!
This town is vastly becoming run down with empty buildings, that stay like that for months, if not years. Swindon Town Centre is "not" an attractive place to shop.
The town centre works are a complete waste of money. They've already started digging up the new paving area that they've just done!!
Party in a Brewary comes to mind!

lanmarion says...
10:07am Sat 20 Mar 10

Hopefully then they are going to get rid of all the teenagers hanging around the parade in the afternoons after school/college, surely thats mor eof a eyesore than stalls, spitting swearing etc.

RFM says...
10:10am Sat 20 Mar 10

“Our stall has customers from all over from Didcot to Oxford so we actually bring people into the town"

Deluded.

Peter DAY says...
10:46am Sat 20 Mar 10

What is wrong with this council the way I understand it there is only one councillor who is trying to push out traders from the town centre.
This town has come a long way and to take these character vendors away from the centre would be an injustice to this up and coming town.
Move forward council and eccept it is very good for this town of ours SWINDON to have these traders in our magnificent town.

mrsdoubtfire says...
10:55am Sat 20 Mar 10

Don't see why they have to stop these street traders! I find them very friendly. I buy my flowers off of either of the stalls trading and quite enjoy a big bacon & mushroom roll on a Saturday morning from the stall off of Regent Street!
As for the people that hang around in The Parade, they'd do that even if the stalls weren't there, like they do by the big screen tv at the other end of Canal Walk.
SBC should wake up to the fact that removing the street traders isn't going to bring flocks of shoppers back into Swindon to shop. It's a dump!!

I Too says...
10:58am Sat 20 Mar 10

“I mean this is how town centres began – with market stall holders.
"
This is indeed how "New Swindon" began. A market was built onto the end of The Mechanics' Institute building.
As usual the degeneration plans involve destroying anything with the remotest amount of character, cultural, or historical value.
Most people would agree that the unkempt (not all) youths, hanging around the parade, crete a bad image, but moving the stalls will probably increse that problem.
The stalls probably offer a limited marshalling effect.
With increasing numbers of empty shops, Swindon will look even more barren, without the market stallls.
Swindon Borough Clownschool strikes again.

I Too says...
11:01am Sat 20 Mar 10

I think my "a" key needs oiling ;-)

trevsinclair says...
11:07am Sat 20 Mar 10

Get them out I say. I back the council on this one. If we want our town centre to become a great place to come, and a destination town to bring money into Swindon and making it a place we actually want to go. The new work done in Canal Walk and the work to start in Regent street, plus all the work around the new BHS site... how will all of this look with "poor quality, grubby and smelly" as described by Peter James (Quoted here http://www.thisisbri
stol.co.uk/news/lot-
burger/article-32420
1-detail/article.htm
l)
...and Taffynut - don't bring the wifi into this... the wifi is NOT something to be wheeled out when anyone thinks that SBC are doing a disservice to the town. Do you want Swindon to be brought into the 21st Century or not?
I look forward to the day we can walk through town and not smell the pungent smell of sweet donuts and fried onions... If I wanted this I would go to a carnival or fairground, not a town centre.

Gooey says...
11:14am Sat 20 Mar 10

Wasn't the dougnut van recently moved to its current location after being turfed out if its old one?
Poor chap hasn't had much help from the council has he?

Swindonlee says...
11:19am Sat 20 Mar 10

I thought that they were not being kicked out off the town centre just being moved to by wilkinsons so theres more of a market theme at the top of town could be wrong just what i heard.

peatmoor pirate says...
11:35am Sat 20 Mar 10

If you go to bristol, there are loads of street vendors around there very nice (compared to Swindon)shopping areas.

SBC are a joke on this. I thought Tories were pro-small business. not on this evidence.

I don't use the stalls very often but they do no-one any harm and are not responsible for any anti-social activities in the town.

That behaviour is the responsibility of those perpetrating it. Oh and one final point on this; the teenagers hanging around in town are doing what teenagers have always done and those moaning about them being there were clearly never kids themselves.

Unless theyactually do something illegal, they have as much right to be there as you do!

Swindon born n bred says...
11:36am Sat 20 Mar 10

Hey, now here's an idea. Rather than slam the council with negativity why not look for a solution?

Well there's that vast empty playground with the big screen that's called Wharf Green. As I remember it, this was meant to have food stalls and unique traders . . .haven't seen too many of those - why not move the street traders there. Foot fall should be good and it would give people something to do, other than stand and gawp at the big screen. Might help give the place a bit of an atmosphere - could be great on days when "big matches" are shown on the screen - 6 Nations rugby not Swan Vestas.

Casual Observer says...
11:49am Sat 20 Mar 10

Got to agree oldwiseone - the flower stall is very good but the stalls selling low quality food seem to attract low-life people. The stench of hot mystery-meat and old cooking oil is quite revolting to some but strangely attractive to others.

I Too says...
12:04pm Sat 20 Mar 10

trevsinclair, Swindon says...
11:07am Sat 20 Mar 10

Get them out I say. I back the council on this one. If we want our town centre to become a great place to come, and a destination town to bring money into Swindon and making it a place we actually want to go. The new work done in Canal Walk and the work to start in Regent street, plus all the work around the new BHS site... how will all of this look with "poor quality, grubby and smelly" as described by Peter James...........
"
Seriously, are you honestly enthused, by anything that Peter James said or did?
It will take a lot more than paving slabs to make Swindon interesting, or attractive.
Sometimes you have to take a small step backwards, in order to make a big leap forward. Until Swindon Borough Clownschool learn to embrace the history and culture and the roots of the town, as Bath and Bristol have done, everything they do will be simply either piece-meal or destructive.
I don't expect the ego-maniacs to listen any day soon

Kineasy says...
12:55pm Sat 20 Mar 10

I think Marks and Spencer started as street traders.
Swindon street traders can only exist if there is sufficient demand for their products. No customers No traders. So what is the problem?

batch says...
1:21pm Sat 20 Mar 10

Kineasy wrote:
I think Marks and Spencer started as street traders.
Swindon street traders can only exist if there is sufficient demand for their products. No customers No traders. So what is the problem?
Exactly. The only problem is in the head some deluded council member who thinks adding a few shiny things and taking away 'clutter' makes Swindon a better place to visit. It doesn't. Swindon has a functional shopping centre, but its never going to be a place of beauty until a proper redevelopment happens (don't hold your breath). And taking away street traders means there is less on offer. Its stupidity in the extreme.

I Too says...
2:25pm Sat 20 Mar 10

I'm off into town now.
Apparently there's a petition to sign.
Pity it's not for the abolition of Swindon Borough Clownschool.

some-kid says...
3:25pm Sat 20 Mar 10

hi i am a teenager but i dont hang around in town with loads of people. :)

firstly, i think the street traders will need to be eventually removed. however, the council shouldnt be doing this yet as the town has only just begun to start looking nicer and all. the regeneration will obviously take years to complete and as far as im concerned removing the street traders now wont make swindon look or smell any nicer.

surely, SBC, you can wait a little longer before you kick them street traders out?

daproofreader says...
3:58pm Sat 20 Mar 10

trevsinclair wrote:
Get them out I say. I back the council on this one. If we want our town centre to become a great place to come, and a destination town to bring money into Swindon and making it a place we actually want to go. The new work done in Canal Walk and the work to start in Regent street, plus all the work around the new BHS site... how will all of this look with "poor quality, grubby and smelly" as described by Peter James (Quoted here http://www.thisisbri

stol.co.uk/news/lot-

burger/article-32420

1-detail/article.htm

l)
...and Taffynut - don't bring the wifi into this... the wifi is NOT something to be wheeled out when anyone thinks that SBC are doing a disservice to the town. Do you want Swindon to be brought into the 21st Century or not?
I look forward to the day we can walk through town and not smell the pungent smell of sweet donuts and fried onions... If I wanted this I would go to a carnival or fairground, not a town centre.
Now here's a corporate rectal laver if ever I heard one !

daproofreader says...
4:06pm Sat 20 Mar 10

some-kid wrote:
hi i am a teenager but i dont hang around in town with loads of people. :)

firstly, i think the street traders will need to be eventually removed. however, the council shouldnt be doing this yet as the town has only just begun to start looking nicer and all. the regeneration will obviously take years to complete and as far as im concerned removing the street traders now wont make swindon look or smell any nicer.

surely, SBC, you can wait a little longer before you kick them street traders out?
Yeah..Ok ...so the town's beginning to look nicer ? Let's face it young 'un...the present state of this once thriving and fair town is all you've ever known, so it might be advantageous to you to ask the grown ups exactly how they remember the town before it's gradual decline. Then maybe you might be more informed before you post any more derisible comments ?

Casual Observer says...
5:27pm Sat 20 Mar 10

some-kid wrote:
hi i am a teenager but i dont hang around in town with loads of people. :)

firstly, i think the street traders will need to be eventually removed. however, the council shouldnt be doing this yet as the town has only just begun to start looking nicer and all. the regeneration will obviously take years to complete and as far as im concerned removing the street traders now wont make swindon look or smell any nicer.

surely, SBC, you can wait a little longer before you kick them street traders out?
"Some-kid" my bum.. this is UKIP's head of media relations surely!

I Too says...
6:23pm Sat 20 Mar 10

trevsinclair wrote:
Get them out I say. I back the council on this one. If we want our town centre to become a great place to come, and a destination town to bring money into Swindon and making it a place we actually want to go.........
"
daproofreader, Earth says..."Now here's a corporate rectal laver if ever I heard one !"
"
My thoughts exactly.
Either a codenamed councillor, developer, associate of NSC, or agent of Swindon First Limited.

I went into town today, purely to sign the petition at the flower stall

robins69 says...
6:59pm Sat 20 Mar 10

SBC is Tory run council, look at hash made of running our town. Just think what it would be like Tories running country god forebid.

mug? says...
7:36pm Sat 20 Mar 10

Who owns the parade? Is it the New Swindon Company or whatever it's called now?

The doughnut and hot dog stand were moved from by the Brunel statue because It allegedly attracted anti social behavior. I think it's the statue that attracts this. Large groups of youths have always congregated in the parade, before the doughnut stall ever got moved there. Are they going to chuck out Greg's and the Cornish Pasty shop as well?!?

This is madness in the extreme.

I was wondering if Walt Disney was now in charge of the council but I don't think he would be so stupid as to kick out the street traders.

I hope to god the current councilors get voted out and soon.

The new patchwork of slabs and tarmac is already covered in chewing gum. The council would have done much better to employ a few cleaners full time.

itsamess says...
8:51pm Sat 20 Mar 10

To ban or prohibit any registered business when no offence has been committed is challengable in law. It is a complete abuse of power. Another case of bully boy tactics using this so called regeneration which is just not happening despite millions being thrown at it to no avail. This is clearly a case of make up the law to suit. These are public streets with correctly licensed street traders--just another example of our negative Council.

itsamess says...
8:51pm Sat 20 Mar 10

To ban or prohibit any registered business when no offence has been committed is challengable in law. It is a complete abuse of power. Another case of bully boy tactics using this so called regeneration which is just not happening despite millions being thrown at it to no avail. This is clearly a case of make up the law to suit. These are public streets with correctly licensed street traders--just another example of our negative Council.

Tony Hillier says...
7:49am Sun 21 Mar 10

"Say it with flowers"

SBC does not seem to agree.

When and where will the decision makers explain in detail their rationale and listen to and act on feedback from that ?

(After we're all pushing up the daisies through the cracks in the paving slabs ?)

M4 Bypass says...
8:02am Sun 21 Mar 10

I don't think these traders are the problem, deal with the high rents, high priced car parking, eg Whitney multi storey has 5 hours free parking in town centre.

trevsinclair says...
10:17am Sun 21 Mar 10

Just to be clear... I am a businessman who has lived in Swindon since 1986 and am a supporter SBC in the regeneration of our town and furthering of making Swindon the destination town we ALL want it to be.

My comments and thoughts are gathered from attending presentations and meetings by the council, taking interest in plans, reading much about the development and also the passion I have for what I consider as my home town.

I am not an employee of SBC, a developer or contractor to any of the companies involved. I am simply a passionate business person wanting to see Swindon develop and bring more money into the Swindon economy.

I Too says...
10:29am Sun 21 Mar 10

One of "the boys" then.
Just as I thought.
NOBODY goes to a council meeting, just for fun.
Listening to a load of self inflated egotists, patting themselves on the back for getting to work in the morning, pretending they're in Westminster.
A developers' "associate".
Bit low, having to come on this site, to justify your "cause"

TinkeyWinkey says...
11:21am Sun 21 Mar 10

No sooner are we twinned with Disney, Mickey Mouse and his gang take over - or maybe they were in disguise all along as the half wits that run this town!!
This town is one big tip. Walk around the streets and there's nothing that could be described as inviting.
A few fancy slabs in Canal Walk is not going to suddenly put Swindon back on the map, especially when the bottom end of town is a drunkards paradise.

trevsinclair says...
11:26am Sun 21 Mar 10

I am not justifying my "cause"... I am fighting the negativity that is pulling Swindon down that the few seem to be shouting on a "site like this" - you've giving your opinion, why can't I?

And the council mtgs... these are mainly business networking events organised by the associations I am a member of - Swindon Chamber of Commerce and GWE Business South West. This is the end of me defending my right to post here and comment.

Why as someone who is passionate about my town, sees the good in the future developments and speaks the opposite of most on this site (which are only a handful of voices), do I get attacked and boxed into some secret council voice or developer who is going to benefit financially?

For the record... I am in no such position, I am a graphic designer and guitarist and just want to shout positive notions about the future of our town. Period.

trevsinclair says...
11:27am Sun 21 Mar 10

TinkeyWinkey - You have to start somewhere!

PK says...
5:42pm Sun 21 Mar 10

mrsdoubtfire wrote:
Don't see why they have to stop these street traders! I find them very friendly. I buy my flowers off of either of the stalls trading and quite enjoy a big bacon & mushroom roll on a Saturday morning from the stall off of Regent Street!
As for the people that hang around in The Parade, they'd do that even if the stalls weren't there, like they do by the big screen tv at the other end of Canal Walk.
SBC should wake up to the fact that removing the street traders isn't going to bring flocks of shoppers back into Swindon to shop. It's a dump!!
Your last paragraph is probably the most accurate amongst all the comments.

Swindon town centre is a complete dump and eyesore.

Add to that, there is no variety of shops. Nothing to attract people whether they live in Swindon or outside of Swindon.

For the past two weekends we've gone to Gloucester and Cheltenham respectively to do our shopping. What a difference. A wide range of shops to choose from for just about everything you can imagine.

Swindon COULD have been a bustling town but successive useless, self-serving, parasistic councils have bled Swindon dry - and it shows.

I Too says...
6:43pm Sun 21 Mar 10

trevsinclair, Swindon says...
11:26am Sun 21 Mar 10

I am not justifying my "cause"... I am fighting the negativity that is pulling Swindon down that the few seem to be shouting on a "site like this" - you've giving your opinion, why can't I?

And the council meetings... these are mainly business networking events organised by the associations I am a member of - Swindon Chamber of Commerce and GWE Business South West. This is the end of me defending my right to post here and comment.
"
That'll be the same Chamber of Commerce that had Matthew Singh as company secretary. The same CoC that encouraged the ten storey tower block, proposed for the Mechanics', that was called in by ODPM. The same CoC that support all house building projects, regardless of what few remaining features of interest they destroy in their wake.
Council meetings should be aimed at getting the town sorted, saving what little remains of our better than average heritage, not bullying other small businesses, nor sorting out jobs for the boys.
It is not just a "handful of voices" that offer their disgust with the way this town is governed. The people on these threads have varying opinions, on most topics, but on this one we are pretty much in agreement.
The people on these threads are generally the people, that live in the town, that your "mates" should be listening to.

Casual Observer says...
10:26pm Sun 21 Mar 10

trevsinclair, don't be put off by the overwhelming negativity spewed by a clique of loudmouths on here - particularly Bobfm, a self-proclaimed prominent non-Swindonian pub landlord, hell bent on putting the place and its leaders down. Nothing, absolutely nothing, that happens in this town will ever be to their satisfaction.

itsamess says...
12:19am Mon 22 Mar 10

C.O.
Hail to your positive posting which is purely sniping at anyone who does not fall in line with your thinking or your clearly closeted way of life as for sure you certainly cannot see the totally negligent and wasteful councils we have had from the Bates/Small era through until now that have all but destroyed what was once a thriving and friendly town to the point where the leader does not even consult his fellow councillors. Take a long hard look at what the whole town has become as our town is full of charity shops--pound shops and rip-off gold traders and pawn shops--our streets like farm tracks or a thousand bomber raid. Constant cuts to services for the elderly and youths--then question why our youths are bored to tears hanging around the town. The centres where our elderly meet have been closed--community centres closed--libraries closed--yet still illegally fund private business. You make assumptions you cant back up and persistently pick petty holes in bobfm at every opportunity. He may not be born in Swindon but pays business rates and environmental charges business people have to pay. Likewise i have kept my business in Swindon with Swindon workers despite offers to buy me out and transfer the business to an EU country. Quite clearly you have no realistic idea of how Swindon in genearal has fallen into disrepair and depravity while our politician councillors form more and more committees and partnerships having to support CEOs and multi managers for the so called regeneration of Swindon--well if the rise of charity shops and cheapjack shops is the best we can do there is little hope. I am a swindonian but certainly not proud of what is rapidly becoming an embarrassment.

Casual Observer says...
8:20am Mon 22 Mar 10

"our town is full of charity shops--pound shops and rip-off gold traders and pawn shops"
 
Err. no it isn't, there are a few but no more than most other towns. Anyway who are you to decide what shops people should be exposed to? If they want charity shops or they want to sell their Argos jewellery, so what? We've had those shops in Swindon for decades. We still have some good quality shops and those will increase.
 
"our streets like farm tracks or a thousand bomber raid"
 
Err.. no they aren't. Just like the rest of the country we have suffered frost damage and that can't all be repaired overnight.
 
"Constant cuts to services for the elderly and youths--then question why our youths are bored to tears hanging around the town. The centres where our elderly meet have been closed--community centres closed--libraries closed"
 
Err.. we have a brand new central library, an even newer youth centre, there are plenty of places for old people to meet and I can tell you there a lot more things to do now than when I grew up here.
 
"Hail to your positive posting which is purely sniping at anyone who does not fall in line with your thinking blah blah blah.."
 
I really think that's a bit rich coming from you. Your boring monologues are full of holes and critical of everything that is Swindon.

itsamess says...
11:22am Mon 22 Mar 10

The majority agree--its time you took a serious look throughout Swindon and consider the mountains of money wasted by consecutive councils--you obviously work for the council and have lost your glasses. You clear cannot see just how chronic our services have got and take a long hard look at the new youth centre and its aims--not conducive to the concept of a youth centre. Get a life and face facts--not dreams. Take a long hard look at the hawksworth trading estate repairs to the roads and queens drive and the rest--back to where they were--quality repairs--i think not. I will praise anything of worth--you have a singular aim--stalking.

Casual Observer says...
12:33pm Mon 22 Mar 10

*yawn* I wondered when you'd fall back on that nonsense. Quite frankly it's more like you stalking me at the moment. Don't worry though, I won't go crying to the Adver about it.

I Too says...
6:08pm Mon 22 Mar 10

No. Too busy stalking. You could miss an opportunity to have a snipe at Bobfm.
The only input that you have made on this thread, not copied and pasted from someone else is
"
We still have some good quality shops and those will increase.
"
When and why is the increase going to take place?
How is destroying business confidence, by bullying legal street traders, going to encourage this increase?

Casual Observer says...
8:11pm Mon 22 Mar 10

I Too, you appear to have missed an opportunity to include the hilarious phrase "Clownschool" in yet another of your erudite postings.
 
Of course it's fine for you to snipe isn't it.

itsamess says...
8:46am Tue 23 Mar 10

CO

Don't you know our clouncillors went to the clouncil to learn a trade.

Oh by the way i see our roads had some potholes repaired--oops sorry its all fallen out again--must have been due to the icy conditions--oh no the rest will have to wait until they employ more traffic wardens to go into residential areas at 6 am to grab some more revenue to pay for it all.

Disco20 says...
11:57am Thu 25 Mar 10

C/O You really have turned into a wind-up merchant... At first it was amusing, now, it’s just becoming tedious..
.
On the odd occasion you do have something constructive to add to a debate, you seem to go against the grain to get people's back's up...
.
You are seemingly making more foes than friends on this forum, it's almost like watching self-destruction in slow motion

trevsinclair says...
6:26pm Thu 25 Mar 10

One thing that needs to be put straight I Too is your reference to the CoC. This is not the same chamber... this is the Thames Valley Chamber Group that took over the failed CoC and have a vibrant business networking culture for those that participate in it. Do not associate it with the massive debt previously run up by the old chamber...

CO - thanks for the support here...

Saying Swindon is a dump... I have agree, but if it was perfect we would have nothing to build on. The regeneration has started again after finding a new developer after the old one wen t bust - nothing that SBC could have done about that!

If SWRDA and the new developers see potential for the the investment that are making and the recent public realm money that was given to SBC too... why are we not embracing this as a positive notion that something is going to be done about it to attract the right shops, which will bring people back to the town centre.


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