RESIDENTS will get the chance to air their views on anti-social behaviour with Wiltshire's Chief Constable.
The meeting, organised by North Swindon MP Michael Wills, will give residents the chance to discuss their concerns about how anti-social behaviour is being tackled.
As well as Chief Constable Brian Moore, representatives of Swindon Council have been invited to attend.
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The meeting will be held at 6.15pm on Friday, May 16 at Abbey Meads Church.
Mr Wills said: "Although crime is falling, unfortunately Swindon is still blighted by anti-social behaviour and effectively targeting this problem will depend on a coordinated approach and action from elected officials, the council, residents and police."
[quote]Mr Wills said: "Although crime is falling..."[/quote]
Which just goes to prove that there really is no point talking to these people, because they just refuse to listen.
Even with the heavily massaged 'official' figures, most crime is on the rise.
The real level of crime in this country is rising dramatically.
Unfortunately for the politicians, we all see the reality for ourselves - day in, day out.
Simply telling us we're wrong and that crime is falling just doesn't wash anymore and only results in those who claim such things appearing to be liars.
Mr Wills said: "Although crime is falling..."
Which just goes to prove that there really is no point talking to these people, because they just refuse to listen.
Even with the heavily massaged 'official' figures, most crime is on the rise.
The real level of crime in this country is rising dramatically.
Unfortunately for the politicians, we all see the reality for ourselves - day in, day out.
Simply telling us we're wrong and that crime is falling just doesn't wash anymore and only results in those who claim such things appearing to be liars.
Posted by: ianswindon, swindon on 10:19pm Thu 8 May 08
there should be a zero tolerance and the guilty parties sent to some kind of boot camp,the youngsters need to learn respect and dicipline and their parents should also be more accountable,fine them too then maybe they may be more responsible and know where and what their kids are doing at night
there should be a zero tolerance and the guilty parties sent to some kind of boot camp,the youngsters need to learn respect and dicipline and their parents should also be more accountable,fine them too then maybe they may be more responsible and know where and what their kids are doing at night
Posted by: jo-ent, Swindon on 10:39pm Thu 8 May 08
This meeting will be a complete whitewash. I went to the public meeting organised by Michael Wills to "discuss" the Euro Referendum. It was laughable. Mr Wills went bright red and looked as if he might explode when it became clear that most of those present were against him. The same will no doubt happen here. I predict that any member of the public who dares to tell the inconvenient truth (crime's rising, no police on the beat, etc.) will be met with a load of meaningless statistics and soundbites and told not to be so silly. Nothing will be achieved except a photo opportunity for Mr Wills to give the impression he's doing something. What a joke.
This meeting will be a complete whitewash. I went to the public meeting organised by Michael Wills to "discuss" the Euro Referendum. It was laughable. Mr Wills went bright red and looked as if he might explode when it became clear that most of those present were against him. The same will no doubt happen here. I predict that any member of the public who dares to tell the inconvenient truth (crime's rising, no police on the beat, etc.) will be met with a load of meaningless statistics and soundbites and told not to be so silly. Nothing will be achieved except a photo opportunity for Mr Wills to give the impression he's doing something. What a joke.
Posted by: Jacko, swindon area on 10:44pm Thu 8 May 08
And if the police were to stop lieing and manipulating the crime logs we would no the truth. But you dont want that.
Recently, lady gets beaten up in own home, police take 7.5hrs to come out,after she gets out of hospital and they didnt want to do anything as it,s now midnight, she insists,and they take a stament, later, months later, she learns that police are not going to prosecute the thug as they are council employee. She found out by accident that nothing was going to be done.
Well done the chief of police. You will never ever win the fight against crime. WHY, because even if it,s reported NOTHING GETS DONE.
THE POLICE IN THIS COUNTY ARE A DISGRACE.
And if the police were to stop lieing and manipulating the crime logs we would no the truth. But you dont want that.
Recently, lady gets beaten up in own home, police take 7.5hrs to come out,after she gets out of hospital and they didnt want to do anything as it,s now midnight, she insists,and they take a stament, later, months later, she learns that police are not going to prosecute the thug as they are council employee. She found out by accident that nothing was going to be done.
Well done the chief of police. You will never ever win the fight against crime. WHY, because even if it,s reported NOTHING GETS DONE.
Posted by: Robert Feal-Martinez, Swindon on 8:41am Fri 9 May 08
I have to echo most of the posts on here. As a former policeman I have to say I would feel ashamed at the lack of 'public support'. Jacko perhaps this lady needs to make a formal complaint the the PCC. They are not just there for high profile complaints as people tend to think. jo-ent as you know I was also at that meeting, I think it is true to say that Anne and Michael 'hogged' the stage, but despite all that the voice of the public was heard loud and clear, but did it work?. Nope both voted with the Government against a Referendum. I must remember to open my mail, it could just be that my invitation has been delayed again. The only party that advocates zero tolerance on all crime, and more 'real' police on the beat is UKIP, but I guess the PC, CC won't want to hear the proactive policing works, from someone who has done it, in an area that makes Swindon look like a children's playground.
I have to echo most of the posts on here. As a former policeman I have to say I would feel ashamed at the lack of 'public support'. Jacko perhaps this lady needs to make a formal complaint the the PCC. They are not just there for high profile complaints as people tend to think. jo-ent as you know I was also at that meeting, I think it is true to say that Anne and Michael 'hogged' the stage, but despite all that the voice of the public was heard loud and clear, but did it work?. Nope both voted with the Government against a Referendum. I must remember to open my mail, it could just be that my invitation has been delayed again. The only party that advocates zero tolerance on all crime, and more 'real' police on the beat is UKIP, but I guess the PC, CC won't want to hear the proactive policing works, from someone who has done it, in an area that makes Swindon look like a children's playground.
The only party that advocates zero tolerance on all crime, and more 'real' police on the beat is UKIP,[bold]bold[/bold] -thus writes RFM! If that is the case then Robert how come you failed to answer my question posed to you on the vice den forum as how you both as an ex policeman and a UKIP member would handle the question of prostitution given that your only response to the deserved mauling you received on there was to label all the posters who were in favour of licenced brothels "sad perverts"?
The only party that advocates zero tolerance on all crime, and more 'real' police on the beat is UKIP, -thus writes RFM! If that is the case then Robert how come you failed to answer my question posed to you on the vice den forum as how you both as an ex policeman and a UKIP member would handle the question of prostitution given that your only response to the deserved mauling you received on there was to label all the posters who were in favour of licenced brothels "sad perverts"?
Posted by: Jacko, swindon area on 11:23am Fri 9 May 08
I would add that I have little faith in the police to police.
The Evening Advertiser will no doubt atend and say it was a great experience and how everyone was happy with what was preposed. More police needed, higher wages, better pensions, another dozen high powerd cards, another helicopter( at 1.5 million a year),a few more new police palace,s, new uniforms maybe. barriers to stop the public from entering the police stations. opening hours to suit the police. 10am till 10.15am 2.00pm till 2.05pm. all telephone calls unanswerd and even if they do, nothing happens.
Thats the way to tackel crime. No messing about. Just do nothing.
I would add that I have little faith in the police to police.
The Evening Advertiser will no doubt atend and say it was a great experience and how everyone was happy with what was preposed. More police needed, higher wages, better pensions, another dozen high powerd cards, another helicopter( at 1.5 million a year),a few more new police palace,s, new uniforms maybe. barriers to stop the public from entering the police stations. opening hours to suit the police. 10am till 10.15am 2.00pm till 2.05pm. all telephone calls unanswerd and even if they do, nothing happens.
Thats the way to tackel crime. No messing about. Just do nothing.
Posted by: Robert Feal-Martinez, Swindon on 11:27am Fri 9 May 08
I actually answered that the police should rigorously enforce the law and name and shame kerb-crawlers. Or don't you consider that an answer. Jacko what tends to work best with the Police is not actually insulting them, I appreciate why you are angry, but my experience lends me to suggest that those who are not rude, get more help.
I actually answered that the police should rigorously enforce the law and name and shame kerb-crawlers. Or don't you consider that an answer. Jacko what tends to work best with the Police is not actually insulting them, I appreciate why you are angry, but my experience lends me to suggest that those who are not rude, get more help.
Posted by: thenoose, Swindon on 11:35am Fri 9 May 08
Jacko, you are a prat.
If you have such strong opinions, why don't you go to the meeting. I think that you will find that the large proportion of Police officers are just as frustrated as you. Except, the officers are prepared to do something about it, unlike you who are more concerned with slagging them off in your narrow minded posts.
Jacko, you are a prat.
If you have such strong opinions, why don't you go to the meeting. I think that you will find that the large proportion of Police officers are just as frustrated as you. Except, the officers are prepared to do something about it, unlike you who are more concerned with slagging them off in your narrow minded posts.
Posted by: Robin Harris, Swindon on 11:39am Fri 9 May 08
As was said on Question Time last night. ASBO's are issued then forgotten about until the public complain. If more effort was put in to hassling these people to ensure they comply with the rules they will carry on being a nuisance. I'm affraid it is a bit like tit for tat but we should annoy them as much as they annoy others.
When it comes to meetings arranged by politicians, most of the time is spent on their point of view and political points scoring with very little time given over to comment.
Of course records show that crime is falling. That is only because the police have found the way to work the system. You put a group of crimes together on one report and when the culprit is caught claim each one solved individually. It is all just a fiddle to massage the figures.
As was said on Question Time last night. ASBO's are issued then forgotten about until the public complain. If more effort was put in to hassling these people to ensure they comply with the rules they will carry on being a nuisance. I'm affraid it is a bit like tit for tat but we should annoy them as much as they annoy others.
When it comes to meetings arranged by politicians, most of the time is spent on their point of view and political points scoring with very little time given over to comment.
Of course records show that crime is falling. That is only because the police have found the way to work the system. You put a group of crimes together on one report and when the culprit is caught claim each one solved individually. It is all just a fiddle to massage the figures.
[quote][bold]jo-ent[/bold] wrote:
This meeting will be a complete whitewash. I went to the public meeting organised by Michael Wills to "discuss" the Euro Referendum. It was laughable. Mr Wills went bright red and looked as if he might explode when it became clear that most of those present were against him. The same will no doubt happen here. I predict that any member of the public who dares to tell the inconvenient truth (crime's rising, no police on the beat, etc.) will be met with a load of meaningless statistics and soundbites and told not to be so silly. Nothing will be achieved except a photo opportunity for Mr Wills to give the impression he's doing something. What a joke.[/quote] Hear! Hear! Jo-Ent- you know the persona of our two MP's Bandwagon's Bert & Bertha!-if there's one going hop on it! It is however I feel slightly unfair of Jacko to spit his venom in the direction of the serving officers themselves as it's Blair, Blunkett, Brown & Smith et al who have handcuffed the police by making them meet meaningless paperwork targets generating massaged crime figures (eg now if a car window is broken and nothing is taken it ain't recorded as a vehicle crime -it's attempted theft - therefore car crime figures fall) So all officers in Station at PC filling in forms, equals none on beat clipping little Johnny Asbo around the ear and frog marching him home to inform the parents of Johhny's latest scam! - beat officers -if they're any good gain trust in the community they operate in and any potential misdemeanours are nipped in the bud! I know several serving and retired policemen who if they were asked the question to join the police service today the answer would be a unified resounding NO!
jo-ent wrote:
This meeting will be a complete whitewash. I went to the public meeting organised by Michael Wills to "discuss" the Euro Referendum. It was laughable. Mr Wills went bright red and looked as if he might explode when it became clear that most of those present were against him. The same will no doubt happen here. I predict that any member of the public who dares to tell the inconvenient truth (crime's rising, no police on the beat, etc.) will be met with a load of meaningless statistics and soundbites and told not to be so silly. Nothing will be achieved except a photo opportunity for Mr Wills to give the impression he's doing something. What a joke.
Hear! Hear! Jo-Ent- you know the persona of our two MP's Bandwagon's Bert & Bertha!-if there's one going hop on it! It is however I feel slightly unfair of Jacko to spit his venom in the direction of the serving officers themselves as it's Blair, Blunkett, Brown & Smith et al who have handcuffed the police by making them meet meaningless paperwork targets generating massaged crime figures (eg now if a car window is broken and nothing is taken it ain't recorded as a vehicle crime -it's attempted theft - therefore car crime figures fall) So all officers in Station at PC filling in forms, equals none on beat clipping little Johnny Asbo around the ear and frog marching him home to inform the parents of Johhny's latest scam! - beat officers -if they're any good gain trust in the community they operate in and any potential misdemeanours are nipped in the bud! I know several serving and retired policemen who if they were asked the question to join the police service today the answer would be a unified resounding NO!
[quote][bold]Robert Feal-Martinez[/bold] wrote:
I actually answered that the police should rigorously enforce the law and name and shame kerb-crawlers. Or don't you consider that an answer. Jacko what tends to work best with the Police is not actually insulting them, I appreciate why you are angry, but my experience lends me to suggest that those who are not rude, get more help.[/quote] Not really Robert because we all know the law as it stands does not work -that was the crux of the debate and what the alternatives were -eg Licenced premises etc. How in the context of this forum can we get the police to rigorously enforce, as you say, that particular law -woolly though it is! when it is a well known fact that police manpower is seriously understrength and there is not the requisite numbers of officers on the street that are needed. Did you know that each constabulary is only allowed to recruit an allocated quota of new recruits per year irrespective of what the crime levels actually are. You regularly refer to the fact that you are an ex policeman so why dont you seem to speak up in support of your ex colleagues who are (excuse the pun)under the cosh from this long incompetent government - "tough on crime tough on the causes of crime" uttereth one Anthony Blair what now seems like Eons ago! Err yeah Right Tone!
Robert Feal-Martinez wrote:
I actually answered that the police should rigorously enforce the law and name and shame kerb-crawlers. Or don't you consider that an answer. Jacko what tends to work best with the Police is not actually insulting them, I appreciate why you are angry, but my experience lends me to suggest that those who are not rude, get more help.
Not really Robert because we all know the law as it stands does not work -that was the crux of the debate and what the alternatives were -eg Licenced premises etc. How in the context of this forum can we get the police to rigorously enforce, as you say, that particular law -woolly though it is! when it is a well known fact that police manpower is seriously understrength and there is not the requisite numbers of officers on the street that are needed. Did you know that each constabulary is only allowed to recruit an allocated quota of new recruits per year irrespective of what the crime levels actually are. You regularly refer to the fact that you are an ex policeman so why dont you seem to speak up in support of your ex colleagues who are (excuse the pun)under the cosh from this long incompetent government - "tough on crime tough on the causes of crime" uttereth one Anthony Blair what now seems like Eons ago! Err yeah Right Tone!
Posted by: ianswindon, moredon on 2:37pm Fri 9 May 08
i used to be a special constable,maybe those here who critizise the police should become a special and see from the inside how much paperwork there is now and once an officer makes an arrest he is practically tied up for the rest of the shift.
They work within their laws and rules,don't knock the guys and girls in the uniforms but the the stooges in houses of parliament
i used to be a special constable,maybe those here who critizise the police should become a special and see from the inside how much paperwork there is now and once an officer makes an arrest he is practically tied up for the rest of the shift.
They work within their laws and rules,don't knock the guys and girls in the uniforms but the the stooges in houses of parliament
ianswindon, I believe you are entirely correct.
The vast majority of policemen and women want to do their job properly, protect the public, enfore law and order and catch criminals.
The problem in this country lies wholly with a government and judiciary who fundamentally do not want anyone sent to prison and who believe the rights of criminals should come before the rights of the public and the victims of crime.
Until we remove the Labour government and replace the archaic judiciary with elected judges nothing will change.
I actually feel very sorry for the police, it must be so demoralising to spend your days tracking and catching criminals only to see them released free from court by gullible/corrupt judges who believe ludicrous sob stories and who seem to think they are social workers for criminals rather than law enforcers.
This is wht Wills' meeting is so pointless - it's his government that have pandered to criminals and encouraged anti-social behaviour with their lenient attitude to thugs and criminals. Labour have created this mess, so there's little point anyone expecting them to clear it up.
ianswindon, I believe you are entirely correct.
The vast majority of policemen and women want to do their job properly, protect the public, enfore law and order and catch criminals.
The problem in this country lies wholly with a government and judiciary who fundamentally do not want anyone sent to prison and who believe the rights of criminals should come before the rights of the public and the victims of crime.
Until we remove the Labour government and replace the archaic judiciary with elected judges nothing will change.
I actually feel very sorry for the police, it must be so demoralising to spend your days tracking and catching criminals only to see them released free from court by gullible/corrupt judges who believe ludicrous sob stories and who seem to think they are social workers for criminals rather than law enforcers.
This is wht Wills' meeting is so pointless - it's his government that have pandered to criminals and encouraged anti-social behaviour with their lenient attitude to thugs and criminals. Labour have created this mess, so there's little point anyone expecting them to clear it up.
Posted by: Robert Feal-Martinez, Swindon on 9:34am Sat 10 May 08
malkym, with respect do you actually read the posts, I have not criticised front line officers, because I am fully aware of the problems facing them. That does not though mean, that the service shouldn't be criticised for failing to police the streets effectively. Command decisions are no more than every politically motivated, which is why I believe that Police Chiefs should be elected, to remove that centralised control. The fact remains that the most effective form of policing is 'proactive'. Police force allocations of man power are based on a complex formula. CC's can apply for extra man power. I do not believe there is a chronic shortage, just that they are not being deployed as they should. Something like only 1 in every office 58 officers is on the beat Nationally at anyone time. It is that figure that needs addressing. It is ironic that the huge numbers of civilian staff recruit were supposed improve operational policing, perhaps HMG should tell us why that hasn't happened, they are after all good at telling us police numbers are at record levels. So Anne, Michael, where are they?
malkym, with respect do you actually read the posts, I have not criticised front line officers, because I am fully aware of the problems facing them. That does not though mean, that the service shouldn't be criticised for failing to police the streets effectively. Command decisions are no more than every politically motivated, which is why I believe that Police Chiefs should be elected, to remove that centralised control. The fact remains that the most effective form of policing is 'proactive'. Police force allocations of man power are based on a complex formula. CC's can apply for extra man power. I do not believe there is a chronic shortage, just that they are not being deployed as they should. Something like only 1 in every office 58 officers is on the beat Nationally at anyone time. It is that figure that needs addressing. It is ironic that the huge numbers of civilian staff recruit were supposed improve operational policing, perhaps HMG should tell us why that hasn't happened, they are after all good at telling us police numbers are at record levels. So Anne, Michael, where are they?
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