ARNEL Cabrera is ready to throw in the towel over his fight to remain in Swindon.
The 38-year-old Filipino has set the Home Office a deadline of next Wednesday to resolve his long-running visa dispute.
But South Swindon MP Anne Snelgrove says his exasperation with the immigration authorities would let the Home Office off the hook.
His wife Mayra died at Great Western Hospital during childbirth in May 2004 when an epidural anaesthetic was mistakenly injected into her arm rather than the space of her spinal cord.
He had been allowed to remain in Swindon because she worked at as a nurse at the hospital.
But her death changed Arnel's immigration status and he was told by the Home Office he was no longer welcome.
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Since a jury returned a verdict of unlawful killing at Mayra's inquest in Trowbridge earlier this year, he has been living with friends in Eldene but is desperate to stay in the town and bring up his son Zac.
And he says his motivation behind setting the authorities a deadline is so he can take Zac on holiday for a fourth birthday treat.
However, Mrs Snelgrove, pictured, says Arnel's deadline could hinder rather than help his plight.
She said: "This needs due process and cases like this can take up to six months.
I feel that if Mr Cabrera left now it would let the Home Office off the hook and give them an excuse.
Anne Snelgrove
"I feel that if Mr Cabrera left now it would let the Home Office off the hook and give them an excuse.
"Unfortunately, if he did go back there would be nothing I could do for him.
"For the sake of a matter of months it could make the difference to two lives."
Arnel said he has asked the Home Office to return his passport if they fail to allow him to stay permanently by Wednesday.
If he leaves the country before his application is approved he will not be allowed to return.
He said in a statement: "I have been unable to return to the Philippines during this difficult period and I desperately miss my young son, Zachary.
"I have promised him a holiday on May 17 as a birthday treat, which I am not prepared to cancel under any circumstances as I have missed his last three birthdays."
Arnel's bid to stay in Swindon had been backed by Wiltshire coroner David Masters, Swindon and Marlborough NHS Trust chief executive Lyn Hill-Tout and some of the town's prominent politicians.
A Home Office spokesman said leaving the country would invalidate Arnel's claim to stay in the UK.
What I really cannot understand is why this man may be allowed to stay in the UK in any case.
While his wife's death was undoubtedly a tradgedy (and highlights the problem of the NHS killing around 10,000 people per year), it does not - and should not - somehow automatically qualify this man and his son for citizenship of the UK.
I would have thought, given the circumstances, Mr Cabrera would wish to return to his homeland and be with his son.
I admire his determination to be with his son on his birthday and wish both him and his son the very best of the luck moving forward with their lives.
Anne Snelgrove's comment about letting the Home Office 'off the hook' is as overly emotive as it is unfair. For once, the Home Office has done nothing wrong in this instance.
Still, it's good that she has experienced just how inflexible, unhelpful and stacked against the ordinary person her hopeless government really is.
What I really cannot understand is why this man may be allowed to stay in the UK in any case.
While his wife's death was undoubtedly a tradgedy (and highlights the problem of the NHS killing around 10,000 people per year), it does not - and should not - somehow automatically qualify this man and his son for citizenship of the UK.
I would have thought, given the circumstances, Mr Cabrera would wish to return to his homeland and be with his son.
I admire his determination to be with his son on his birthday and wish both him and his son the very best of the luck moving forward with their lives.
Anne Snelgrove's comment about letting the Home Office 'off the hook' is as overly emotive as it is unfair. For once, the Home Office has done nothing wrong in this instance.
Still, it's good that she has experienced just how inflexible, unhelpful and stacked against the ordinary person her hopeless government really is.
Posted by: Terence, Swindon on 11:02am Fri 9 May 08
I doubt the Home Office will budge on this and I suspect that Mr Carbera will be 'talked out of' his self-imposed deadline and will stay the UK after Wednesday to await the visa decision.
If Mr Carbera honours his ultimatum and does indeed go home I will be surprised.
I doubt the Home Office will budge on this and I suspect that Mr Carbera will be 'talked out of' his self-imposed deadline and will stay the UK after Wednesday to await the visa decision.
If Mr Carbera honours his ultimatum and does indeed go home I will be surprised.
Posted by: Oxford, Toothill on 11:04am Fri 9 May 08
It seems quite disgusting that through a tragic accident or if someone wishes to kill off someone elses partner, then the victim of the tragedy, then becomes a victim of even worse state laws. I'm sure that a lot of people out there will be secretly happy with this situation, and will see it as a good way of ejecting people from Britain. What about Mr Cabrera's son Zac, does he have no rights? This case makes me ashame to be British and as for the MPs, the system, and the laws, I hold the lot in utter contempt.
It seems quite disgusting that through a tragic accident or if someone wishes to kill off someone elses partner, then the victim of the tragedy, then becomes a victim of even worse state laws. I'm sure that a lot of people out there will be secretly happy with this situation, and will see it as a good way of ejecting people from Britain. What about Mr Cabrera's son Zac, does he have no rights? This case makes me ashame to be British and as for the MPs, the system, and the laws, I hold the lot in utter contempt.
Posted by: P S Altery, Swindon on 11:10am Fri 9 May 08
Well I am very sorry forn this man but as Frontiers says it doesn't qualify him to stay here. The country has been overwhelmed as it is since 1997. Britain cannot, nor should it, take everyone who wants to come here. It's about time more deportations were made.
Well I am very sorry forn this man but as Frontiers says it doesn't qualify him to stay here. The country has been overwhelmed as it is since 1997. Britain cannot, nor should it, take everyone who wants to come here. It's about time more deportations were made.
Posted by: Robert Feal-Martinez, Swindon on 11:21am Fri 9 May 08
Oxford I do not think there is anyone on these threads who doesn't feel for this man and his child, but as I posted previously, the man could have applied to stay and work whilst his wife was alive, and he didn't. So whilst the situation has changed, not of his making., had he done as previously stated there wouldn't have been an issue. As for the Child the family took the child out of the UK, no one forced that on them.
Oxford I do not think there is anyone on these threads who doesn't feel for this man and his child, but as I posted previously, the man could have applied to stay and work whilst his wife was alive, and he didn't. So whilst the situation has changed, not of his making., had he done as previously stated there wouldn't have been an issue. As for the Child the family took the child out of the UK, no one forced that on them.
Posted by: Terence, Swindon on 1:09pm Fri 9 May 08
Oxford, you could always emigrate if you are ashamed to be British. I'm rather afraid however that wherever you went you'd encounter similar immigration laws and cases such as this.
Oxford, you could always emigrate if you are ashamed to be British. I'm rather afraid however that wherever you went you'd encounter similar immigration laws and cases such as this.
Posted by: P S Altery, Swindon on 2:06pm Fri 9 May 08
[quote][bold]Terence[/bold] wrote:
Oxford, you could always emigrate if you are ashamed to be British. I'm rather afraid however that wherever you went you'd encounter similar immigration laws and cases such as this. [/quote] Much tougher ones than this!
Terence wrote:
Oxford, you could always emigrate if you are ashamed to be British. I'm rather afraid however that wherever you went you'd encounter similar immigration laws and cases such as this.
Posted by: Taxpower, Swinetown on 2:18pm Fri 9 May 08
[quote][bold]P S Altery[/bold] wrote:
Well I am very sorry forn this man but as Frontiers says it doesn't qualify him to stay here. The country has been overwhelmed as it is since 1997. Britain cannot, nor should it, take everyone who wants to come here. It's about time more deportations were made.[/quote] Deportations, tougher immigration rules blah blah, I don't see girls and boys on a night out being so bothered about foreigners.
I would even say that if there wasnt immigrants in this country, there would be very little UK births and marriages. Thanks to the immigrants stamina this country is still growing.
P S Altery wrote:
Well I am very sorry forn this man but as Frontiers says it doesn't qualify him to stay here. The country has been overwhelmed as it is since 1997. Britain cannot, nor should it, take everyone who wants to come here. It's about time more deportations were made.
Deportations, tougher immigration rules blah blah, I don't see girls and boys on a night out being so bothered about foreigners.
I would even say that if there wasnt immigrants in this country, there would be very little UK births and marriages. Thanks to the immigrants stamina this country is still growing.
Posted by: Taxpower, Swinetown on 2:19pm Fri 9 May 08
[quote][bold]P S Altery[/bold] wrote:
Well I am very sorry forn this man but as Frontiers says it doesn't qualify him to stay here. The country has been overwhelmed as it is since 1997. Britain cannot, nor should it, take everyone who wants to come here. It's about time more deportations were made.[/quote] Deportations, tougher immigration rules blah blah, I don't see girls and boys on a night out being so bothered about foreigners.
I would even say that if there wasnt immigrants in this country, there would be very little UK births and marriages. Thanks to the immigrants stamina this country is still growing.
P S Altery wrote:
Well I am very sorry forn this man but as Frontiers says it doesn't qualify him to stay here. The country has been overwhelmed as it is since 1997. Britain cannot, nor should it, take everyone who wants to come here. It's about time more deportations were made.
Deportations, tougher immigration rules blah blah, I don't see girls and boys on a night out being so bothered about foreigners.
I would even say that if there wasnt immigrants in this country, there would be very little UK births and marriages. Thanks to the immigrants stamina this country is still growing.
Posted by: P S Altery, Swindon on 2:43pm Fri 9 May 08
Sorry son, this doesn't wash anymore. Net immigation of 50,000 was fine in 1997. An open door policy is not. All the planning assumptions in this country have been made on a fairly static population, housing, transport, education, law and order, healthcare. What none of the above have been geared up, funded for, is this massive overnight increase in the population. Which is why the prisons are overcrowded, which is why prisoners who should not be let out are being released, which is why schools in the SE, not having had the funding, can't cope with the pupils being dumped on their doorstep. Education has been compromised as a result. Everyone realises immigration is good thing, most people relaise that the Govt's immigration policy has been a disaster. Which I suppose has nothing really to do with the story. This chap, despite his tragic circumstances, has absolutely no right to reside here.
Sorry son, this doesn't wash anymore. Net immigation of 50,000 was fine in 1997. An open door policy is not. All the planning assumptions in this country have been made on a fairly static population, housing, transport, education, law and order, healthcare. What none of the above have been geared up, funded for, is this massive overnight increase in the population. Which is why the prisons are overcrowded, which is why prisoners who should not be let out are being released, which is why schools in the SE, not having had the funding, can't cope with the pupils being dumped on their doorstep. Education has been compromised as a result. Everyone realises immigration is good thing, most people relaise that the Govt's immigration policy has been a disaster. Which I suppose has nothing really to do with the story. This chap, despite his tragic circumstances, has absolutely no right to reside here.
Posted by: Taxpower, Swinetown on 3:04pm Fri 9 May 08
[quote][bold]P S Altery[/bold] wrote:
Sorry son, this doesn't wash anymore. Net immigation of 50,000 was fine in 1997. An open door policy is not. All the planning assumptions in this country have been made on a fairly static population, housing, transport, education, law and order, healthcare. What none of the above have been geared up, funded for, is this massive overnight increase in the population. Which is why the prisons are overcrowded, which is why prisoners who should not be let out are being released, which is why schools in the SE, not having had the funding, can't cope with the pupils being dumped on their doorstep. Education has been compromised as a result. Everyone realises immigration is good thing, most people relaise that the Govt's immigration policy has been a disaster. Which I suppose has nothing really to do with the story. This chap, despite his tragic circumstances, has absolutely no right to reside here.[/quote] OK point taken, to your opinion which child should be allowed in or to stay, this guys son? or the Walcot guys son stranded in Thailand? what gives the other more rights ?
P S Altery wrote:
Sorry son, this doesn't wash anymore. Net immigation of 50,000 was fine in 1997. An open door policy is not. All the planning assumptions in this country have been made on a fairly static population, housing, transport, education, law and order, healthcare. What none of the above have been geared up, funded for, is this massive overnight increase in the population. Which is why the prisons are overcrowded, which is why prisoners who should not be let out are being released, which is why schools in the SE, not having had the funding, can't cope with the pupils being dumped on their doorstep. Education has been compromised as a result. Everyone realises immigration is good thing, most people relaise that the Govt's immigration policy has been a disaster. Which I suppose has nothing really to do with the story. This chap, despite his tragic circumstances, has absolutely no right to reside here.
OK point taken, to your opinion which child should be allowed in or to stay, this guys son? or the Walcot guys son stranded in Thailand? what gives the other more rights ?
Posted by: Mumstheword, Walcot on 4:27pm Fri 9 May 08
I joined a facebook campaign a while back and also wrote to Anne Snelgrove about the group several times, guess what? She ignored me, well surprise surprise!
Arnel should be allowed to stay! This family has been through enough.
I joined a facebook campaign a while back and also wrote to Anne Snelgrove about the group several times, guess what? She ignored me, well surprise surprise!
Arnel should be allowed to stay! This family has been through enough.
Posted by: Oxford, Toothill on 7:51pm Fri 9 May 08
Every body feels for this man! The only feelings being he should push off back to the his own country, therefore leaving the scene of an unlawful killing behind. As for the comments of Robert Feal-Martinez, I'm sure if this man knew in hindsight that his wife was going to be unlawfully killed, he would have gone for a natural birth in the house (or street for that matter), or probably took out a big life insurance for a few hundred million pounds, and have put in for British citizenship. What a stupid man he has been for not knowing his wife was going to be unlawfully killed. Still, look on the bright side,one less foreigner in this green and pleasant land.
Every body feels for this man! The only feelings being he should push off back to the his own country, therefore leaving the scene of an unlawful killing behind. As for the comments of Robert Feal-Martinez, I'm sure if this man knew in hindsight that his wife was going to be unlawfully killed, he would have gone for a natural birth in the house (or street for that matter), or probably took out a big life insurance for a few hundred million pounds, and have put in for British citizenship. What a stupid man he has been for not knowing his wife was going to be unlawfully killed. Still, look on the bright side,one less foreigner in this green and pleasant land.
Posted by: Gem, North Swindon on 8:01pm Fri 9 May 08
Whilst I understand some of the sentiments on here I still think he should be allowed to stay. His son Zac is British, surely? He only sent him back as a temporary measure so that he could get through the court stuff without upsetting his son?
Whilst I understand some of the sentiments on here I still think he should be allowed to stay. His son Zac is British, surely? He only sent him back as a temporary measure so that he could get through the court stuff without upsetting his son?
Posted by: Oxford, Toothill on 8:04pm Fri 9 May 08
On foreigners going back to their own countries, perhaps this is a very good idea, and anyone who has a foreign blood relative back as far as 5 generations, should be deported hence-forth, now, right away. This would decrease the population of Britain and many of the people complaining about over population would be shunted back to their rightful countries as well.
On foreigners going back to their own countries, perhaps this is a very good idea, and anyone who has a foreign blood relative back as far as 5 generations, should be deported hence-forth, now, right away. This would decrease the population of Britain and many of the people complaining about over population would be shunted back to their rightful countries as well.
Posted by: Terence, Swindon on 8:05pm Fri 9 May 08
BBC website states that his appeal has been turned down.
'...the Wiltshire coroner, David Masters said: "This is extraordinary. In view of the verdict reached by the jury following a long and detailed inquest and in view of my comments."
Talk about pomposity! Why should the jury disregard the law because it goes against a coroner's (what business had he there anyway? He's a coroner and we know how the wife died) emotional feelings? In my opinion, the decision was in no way extraordinary.
BBC website states that his appeal has been turned down.
'...the Wiltshire coroner, David Masters said: "This is extraordinary. In view of the verdict reached by the jury following a long and detailed inquest and in view of my comments."
Talk about pomposity! Why should the jury disregard the law because it goes against a coroner's (what business had he there anyway? He's a coroner and we know how the wife died) emotional feelings? In my opinion, the decision was in no way extraordinary.
Posted by: Oxford, Toothill on 8:33pm Fri 9 May 08
Just tried moving country, but no matter which country I lived in, I was still ashamed to be British, so I have thought of a better idea, lets make Arnel Cabrera British as well, and we can both be ashamed to be British together.
Just tried moving country, but no matter which country I lived in, I was still ashamed to be British, so I have thought of a better idea, lets make Arnel Cabrera British as well, and we can both be ashamed to be British together.
Posted by: Mumstheword, Walcot on 8:54pm Fri 9 May 08
What a bloody disgrace! I am ashamed to be British this evening. I am so sorry for this man and his son. I tried :( I wrote to the home secretary and Mrs Snelgrove both. God what must he think of Britain.
What a bloody disgrace! I am ashamed to be British this evening. I am so sorry for this man and his son. I tried :( I wrote to the home secretary and Mrs Snelgrove both. God what must he think of Britain.
Posted by: P S Altery, Swindon on 9:20pm Fri 9 May 08
It does not matter what he thinks of Britain, Britain has done more than any country in the world to house people from abroad. Some of which have no right to be here, some of which wish this country harm, although many do not. I find interesting that guests in our country think it is acceptable to attack schoolboys with hammers, and get away with small sentences. I myself was attacked, beaten up and mugged by an Albanian gang in 2002. Incidentally if the Govt had a coherent immigration policy this would not have happened. Migration yes, uncontrolled migration no. Which brings us back to the story above, and I do feel sorry for this chap, he has no legal right to remain in the UK. Perhaps if Labour hadn't abolished our border controls, these tragedies wouldn't have happened?
It does not matter what he thinks of Britain, Britain has done more than any country in the world to house people from abroad. Some of which have no right to be here, some of which wish this country harm, although many do not. I find interesting that guests in our country think it is acceptable to attack schoolboys with hammers, and get away with small sentences. I myself was attacked, beaten up and mugged by an Albanian gang in 2002. Incidentally if the Govt had a coherent immigration policy this would not have happened. Migration yes, uncontrolled migration no. Which brings us back to the story above, and I do feel sorry for this chap, he has no legal right to remain in the UK. Perhaps if Labour hadn't abolished our border controls, these tragedies wouldn't have happened?
Posted by: hometown, Swindon England on 10:47pm Fri 9 May 08
Why does this gentleman want to live here with his son, wouldn't they both be better off with their family in the Philipines? why bring the lad to a strange Country, he is in the Philipines at the moment, with all his relations, I would have thought his fathers place would be with the boy anyway, the lad would be a stranger here here, he is better off with a place and people he is used to, who would care for him here if his father was working[quote]quote[/quote]
Why does this gentleman want to live here with his son, wouldn't they both be better off with their family in the Philipines? why bring the lad to a strange Country, he is in the Philipines at the moment, with all his relations, I would have thought his fathers place would be with the boy anyway, the lad would be a stranger here here, he is better off with a place and people he is used to, who would care for him here if his father was working
Posted by: hometown, Swindon England on 10:56pm Fri 9 May 08
Anne always seems to be taking up the banner for people in other countries, We had the Girl in Mexico who wanted her Son back, then the ongoing saga of the Couple stranded in Thailand, now this one. Anne there are a lot of problems in this Country caused by MPs including you ignoring the wishes of the people who voted you in and pay your wages,can we ask for some of your time
Anne always seems to be taking up the banner for people in other countries, We had the Girl in Mexico who wanted her Son back, then the ongoing saga of the Couple stranded in Thailand, now this one. Anne there are a lot of problems in this Country caused by MPs including you ignoring the wishes of the people who voted you in and pay your wages,can we ask for some of your time
[quote][bold]Mumstheword[/bold] wrote:
What a bloody disgrace! I am ashamed to be British this evening. I am so sorry for this man and his son. I tried :( I wrote to the home secretary and Mrs Snelgrove both. God what must he think of Britain.[/quote] Why is it a disgrace?
The man is not British and has no legal right, whatsoever, to remain here.
It would have been a travesty of immigration law if he had been granted permission to stay.
And why on earth did you suppose Anne Snelgrove might have been able to help this man? She's far more concerned about Japanese whales.
Mumstheword wrote:
What a bloody disgrace! I am ashamed to be British this evening. I am so sorry for this man and his son. I tried :( I wrote to the home secretary and Mrs Snelgrove both. God what must he think of Britain.
Why is it a disgrace?
The man is not British and has no legal right, whatsoever, to remain here.
It would have been a travesty of immigration law if he had been granted permission to stay.
And why on earth did you suppose Anne Snelgrove might have been able to help this man? She's far more concerned about Japanese whales.
Posted by: Robert Feal-Martinez, Swindon on 9:20am Sat 10 May 08
Mumstheword, it is a tough world out there, we cannot accommodate everyone. We are the 5th most populated country in Europe, and with the current immigration policy (caused by the EU)we are likely to get thousands more. This man had plenty of opportunity to apply for a visa etc, when his wife was alive and prior to having a child, he chose not to. The child is a British subject but the family decided to take it back to the Philippines one assumes with the fathers consent. Perhaps he should have 'threatened' the HO. If I had a child half way around the world I know where I would be.
Mumstheword, it is a tough world out there, we cannot accommodate everyone. We are the 5th most populated country in Europe, and with the current immigration policy (caused by the EU)we are likely to get thousands more. This man had plenty of opportunity to apply for a visa etc, when his wife was alive and prior to having a child, he chose not to. The child is a British subject but the family decided to take it back to the Philippines one assumes with the fathers consent. Perhaps he should have 'threatened' the HO. If I had a child half way around the world I know where I would be.
Posted by: Mumstheword, Walcot on 10:01am Sat 10 May 08
PSAltery said:
I myself was attacked, beaten up and mugged by an Albanian gang in 2002.
That is a terrible experience to have gone through :(
(((((hugs))))) from the uncool rock chick :)
RFM said:
Mumstheword, it is a tough world out there
Dont I bloody know it Robert! And yes I see your points.
PSAltery said:
I myself was attacked, beaten up and mugged by an Albanian gang in 2002.
That is a terrible experience to have gone through :(
(((((hugs))))) from the uncool rock chick :)
RFM said:
Mumstheword, it is a tough world out there
Dont I bloody know it Robert! And yes I see your points.
Posted by: Terence, Swindon on 1:30pm Sat 10 May 08
P S Altery - If you are referring to the Ridgeway School incident when stating "guests in our country think it is acceptable to attack schoolboys with hammers" you would be incorrect as to my knowledge the perpetrators of that heinous crime are British citizens born in this country and can in no way be described a 'guests'.
P S Altery - If you are referring to the Ridgeway School incident when stating "guests in our country think it is acceptable to attack schoolboys with hammers" you would be incorrect as to my knowledge the perpetrators of that heinous crime are British citizens born in this country and can in no way be described a 'guests'.
They may have been born in Britain. They may be British citizens.
But they are definitely not British. Ask them yourself what they believe they are, first and foremost.
The answer, I guarantee you, will not be 'British'.
They may have been born in Britain. They may be British citizens.
But they are definitely not British. Ask them yourself what they believe they are, first and foremost.
The answer, I guarantee you, will not be 'British'.
Posted by: Mumstheword, Walcot on 8:05pm Sat 10 May 08
Does it matter where we come from?! There are violent law breaking MEN and WOMAN in every RACE of every RELIGION
Anyway, isn't that a different subject? I thought that we were talking about a man who this country has failed. A man who has suffered the loss of his wife and his right to stay in our country.
Does it matter where we come from?! There are violent law breaking MEN and WOMAN in every RACE of every RELIGION
Anyway, isn't that a different subject? I thought that we were talking about a man who this country has failed. A man who has suffered the loss of his wife and his right to stay in our country.
Posted by: P S Altery, Swindon on 9:10pm Sat 10 May 08
[quote][bold]Terence[/bold] wrote:
P S Altery - If you are referring to the Ridgeway School incident when stating "guests in our country think it is acceptable to attack schoolboys with hammers" you would be incorrect as to my knowledge the perpetrators of that heinous crime are British citizens born in this country and can in no way be described a 'guests'.[/quote] Unwelcome guests then?
Terence wrote:
P S Altery - If you are referring to the Ridgeway School incident when stating "guests in our country think it is acceptable to attack schoolboys with hammers" you would be incorrect as to my knowledge the perpetrators of that heinous crime are British citizens born in this country and can in no way be described a 'guests'.
[quote]I thought that we were talking about a man who this country has failed. A man who has suffered the loss of his wife and his right to stay in our country.
[/quote]
Absolute rubbish.
This country has not failed him at all.
He has no legal right to remain and has been told that.
You are confusing emotion with reality and, with respect, it makes you look as thoguh you don't understand what is actually happening in this case.
Having said that, your posts are nearly always overly emotive nonsense that has no basis in reality.
And, yes, I'm more than prepared for you to respond telling everyone that's a 'good thing'.
It isn't.
I thought that we were talking about a man who this country has failed. A man who has suffered the loss of his wife and his right to stay in our country.
Absolute rubbish.
This country has not failed him at all.
He has no legal right to remain and has been told that.
You are confusing emotion with reality and, with respect, it makes you look as thoguh you don't understand what is actually happening in this case.
Having said that, your posts are nearly always overly emotive nonsense that has no basis in reality.
And, yes, I'm more than prepared for you to respond telling everyone that's a 'good thing'.
Posted by: Terence, Swindon on 11:58am Sun 11 May 08
P S Altery - As they are not guests they cannot logically be in the subcategory of 'unwelcome guests', as you are well aware.
They are British and they are a problem which we all have to confront, attempting to deny them their British identity (however strong or weak it is) only exacerbates problems. If those who are descended from recent immigration are told that they are not British but 'guests' it is to be expected that they will reclude into other more stable identifications which are less likely to be rejected by others and regrettably tend to be of a radical nature.
Frontier - Your comments imply that Britishness is incompatible with other identifications (and one in particular I believe) when in actuality it need not be so.
P S Altery - As they are not guests they cannot logically be in the subcategory of 'unwelcome guests', as you are well aware.
They are British and they are a problem which we all have to confront, attempting to deny them their British identity (however strong or weak it is) only exacerbates problems. If those who are descended from recent immigration are told that they are not British but 'guests' it is to be expected that they will reclude into other more stable identifications which are less likely to be rejected by others and regrettably tend to be of a radical nature.
Frontier - Your comments imply that Britishness is incompatible with other identifications (and one in particular I believe) when in actuality it need not be so.
It may not need be so, but, unfortunately, it tends to be so.
Regardless of what the media/NuLabour would have you believe, most immigrants (and their 'British' offspring) are more than happy not to integrate.
You only have to look at the areas that have high ethnic populations to see the evidence that a home from home is preferable to them than what is already in existence.
Although, in some ways, it's hard to blame them for that being their preference.
It may not need be so, but, unfortunately, it tends to be so.
Regardless of what the media/NuLabour would have you believe, most immigrants (and their 'British' offspring) are more than happy not to integrate.
You only have to look at the areas that have high ethnic populations to see the evidence that a home from home is preferable to them than what is already in existence.
Although, in some ways, it's hard to blame them for that being their preference.
Posted by: Terence, Swindon on 6:57pm Sun 11 May 08
Frontier - I agree with you about integration, current government ideas about multiculturalism in this country favour separate communities rather than everyone pulling together as one. This country is becomming divided into separate ethnic communities with little linkage between them and in my opinion this is a terrible thing.
Frontier - I agree with you about integration, current government ideas about multiculturalism in this country favour separate communities rather than everyone pulling together as one. This country is becomming divided into separate ethnic communities with little linkage between them and in my opinion this is a terrible thing.
When even Trevor Phillips says Multiculturalism is a bad thing, you know the game is up.
[quote]After supporting multiculturalism for many years, Phillips is now one of its most outspoken mainstream critics.
He has also expressed fears that multiculturalism could cause Britain to "sleepwalk towards segregation"[/quote]
Phillips has also called for
[quote]the need for free speech to "allow people to offend each other."[/quote]
If even a man like Phillips, whose entire life has been very comfortably funded by the race relations, feels able to say such things, why not the lefty fools who initially installed him as the self-proclaimed 'expert' on such matters?
When even Trevor Phillips says Multiculturalism is a bad thing, you know the game is up.
After supporting multiculturalism for many years, Phillips is now one of its most outspoken mainstream critics.
He has also expressed fears that multiculturalism could cause Britain to "sleepwalk towards segregation"
Phillips has also called for
the need for free speech to "allow people to offend each other."
If even a man like Phillips, whose entire life has been very comfortably funded by the race relations, feels able to say such things, why not the lefty fools who initially installed him as the self-proclaimed 'expert' on such matters?
Posted by: Paula, Swindon on 10:38pm Mon 12 May 08
Poor Arnel was told that his wife had died from natural causes! Arnel had no option but to return to the Philippines as his residency depended on his wife working in the UK. Please show your support for Arnel Cabrera by adding your name to the petition to let him stay http://www.gopetitio
n.com/petitions/arne
l-cabrera-should-be-
allowed-to-stay-in-t
he-uk
Surely the Government could show more compassion and honor Mayra’s wish to raise her family in the UK.
Poor Arnel was told that his wife had died from natural causes! Arnel had no option but to return to the Philippines as his residency depended on his wife working in the UK. Please show your support for Arnel Cabrera by adding your name to the petition to let him stay http://www.gopetitio
n.com/petitions/arne
l-cabrera-should-be-
allowed-to-stay-in-t
he-uk
Surely the Government could show more compassion and honor Mayra’s wish to raise her family in the UK.
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