PDC says embargo has cost Town points (From Swindon Advertiser)

NO PAOLO YOU HAVE COST USE THE POINTS..
As the players you have at the club YOU bought then to STFC...

Please stop the moaning and get on with ya job as you have had a great budget that somehow has already been spent after 13 games

DarrenSTFCRomain wrote:
NO PAOLO YOU HAVE COST USE THE POINTS..
As the players you have at the club YOU bought then to STFC...

Please stop the moaning and get on with ya job as you have had a great budget that somehow has already been spent after 13 games

A bit harsh this early in the morning but I feel you may have a point. All the teams in the league work to the same rules. It's difficult to justify that the rules shouldn't apply to our club.

Sorry but I tend to agree in what Darren says. Paolo has signed all the players he has wanted and when he wanted since he was appointed. He wanted Luke Rooney kept on and on and now he,s out on loan same goes for cox and risser. They should have cancelled their contracts and released the last two. They won't play for us again as they are both not good enough. There aren't many league one or two clubs who would of given their manager as much of a free reign that paolo has had.

Just hope he now gets on and work with what we got and keeps his toys in the pram because I think the new chairman will show him the door otherwise and that would be a disaster for the club.

Red Army wrote:

DarrenSTFCRomain wrote:
NO PAOLO YOU HAVE COST USE THE POINTS..
As the players you have at the club YOU bought then to STFC...

Please stop the moaning and get on with ya job as you have had a great budget that somehow has already been spent after 13 games

A bit harsh this early in the morning but I feel you may have a point. All the teams in the league work to the same rules. It's difficult to justify that the rules shouldn't apply to our club.

Isee that southend have to pay Aldershot straight away ,at last a level of consistency by the FA or is it because luggy used to manage ST.

We should re-set our expectations I think. Any club suddenly be-set by injuries is going to suffer regardless of the manager so I cant see the point in suddenly blaming PDC for that. That's basic logic. We didn't have the problem last year, but some of our rivals did (e.g. oufc) and without a bottomless pit of money they suffered a loss of form.

You cant plan for that many injuries, all we need is a couple more (e.g. rooney, wes) and things will get bad for us. And some will blame the manager which is perverse. Its partly due to additional games (e.g. cup) which simply increases the risk of injury

I noticed the amount of calls for Wilders head all this season and again he has had a big injury problem. I suspect this forum will attract the same sort of whinging and blaming.

However, I think we are heading for a few more draws and losses until we can get through these injuries. Mid-table to play-offs this season would be a bonus if we get any more injuries. It would be a PDC miracle if we do better.

Good luck to him and the team tonight.

He's got a new coat, he's got a new coooooaaaattttt.....

Go on then Romain name an 18 man squad for tonight considering you think we have 30 odd players
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Remember you can't pick Flint, Thompson, Bessone, Navarro and Williams as all out injured or banned
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I got to 17 - 1 short and you are telling me he is just moaning for the sake of it!
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Injuries are costing us at the monent and as he said that breeds complacement in others as they know their spot is guaranteed as there is no alternative

I have to agree with Romain here as I can't see where Paolo would have brought a player in and played him where that player is of the standard and fitness that he demands.
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Let's remember that Bostock has been with us all season and he isn't ready yet.
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Had Paolo said it may well cost us 3pts then you could understand that as we've got so many players out but it hasn't cost us to date.
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Only last week PDC said he didn't have a specific player in mind but that he wanted the option to use emergency loans where and when required...so how does that translate into 'HAS' cost us 3pts?
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I'm a fan of Paolo but this smacks of backside and covers here....losing Nathan is possibly the biggest issue although Devera can do a job there and did well enough against Stoke.

London Red wrote:
Go on then Romain name an 18 man squad for tonight considering you think we have 30 odd players
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Remember you can't pick Flint, Thompson, Bessone, Navarro and Williams as all out injured or banned
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I got to 17 - 1 short and you are telling me he is just moaning for the sake of it!
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Injuries are costing us at the monent and as he said that breeds complacement in others as they know their spot is guaranteed as there is no alternative

Being fair to Romain here LR, the article says 'HAS cost us....' so it relates to games to date - as I've mentioned above it was only last week when he said he had no specific player in mind so how the embargo has cost us to date is a bit of a grey area to me.

These injuries are not new though are they!
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Williams has missed the last 2 and half games
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Macca was out for 2 before that as was Roberts - 3 big players
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The fact is we have not had a chance to cover injuries and still don't and we are now down to under a matchday squad of available professionals
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Look at Tranmere - they lost Akpa Akpro so went out and signed Jervis as cover
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Thats all PdC wanted and wants to do - sign someone as cover
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As for Loans don't work thats not true as we saw lots come in last year and make a big impact - Jervis prime example!
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He certainly would have been fit as had been playing at Carlilse
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Now I would have been delighted had he came in on loan while Williams is out as he has pace to go alongside his height - plus he knows where the net is as we have seen at both ends!

Alls not lost although we are a bit light -

A starting line up of

Wes
Macca Ward Troy McEveley
Richie Miller Ferry Roberts
Collins Rooney

Subs
Bedwell RDV Benson Storey Devera Bostock

Flint back for next game.

Williams presumably back next few weeks?

Can we recall Luke Rooney, Risser, Cox as cover?

What about youngsters coming through? Louis Thompson?

Main concern left and right back and centre mid and if Wes gets a knock the choice not to get a experienced back-up keeper at start of season which many thought was a massive risk may come to haunt

London Red wrote:
These injuries are not new though are they! . Williams has missed the last 2 and half games . Macca was out for 2 before that as was Roberts - 3 big players . The fact is we have not had a chance to cover injuries and still don't and we are now down to under a matchday squad of available professionals . Look at Tranmere - they lost Akpa Akpro so went out and signed Jervis as cover . Thats all PdC wanted and wants to do - sign someone as cover . As for Loans don't work thats not true as we saw lots come in last year and make a big impact - Jervis prime example! . He certainly would have been fit as had been playing at Carlilse . Now I would have been delighted had he came in on loan while Williams is out as he has pace to go alongside his height - plus he knows where the net is as we have seen at both ends!

Always thought Jervis was average at best.

I have to agree with those who have said that PDC needed to get some new players because, as last year, some of his buys have not worked and some strengthening is still needed. The midfield seems unable to dominate games, so new blood needed.

However, I assume we have all noticed that, during this period of the season where we are not yet firing on all cylinders, that we have played NINE of the bottom TEN teams - and we play the tenth team tonight.

If we are to progress games drawn at home must balanced by away wins and with better teams to face (some coming up shortly) we need to up our game considerably if we are to keep the points total moving along at the right rate. If not, we shall certainly need a very long sequence of wins at some stage.

Wilesy - that's the 17 I had - as you can see one short of the 18 required!
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I think Louis Thompson will go on the bench - but not the ideal situation you want going into Stevenage away (2nd), Villa at home followed by Sheff U (3rd) at home
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Can we actually recall players?
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Howe was talking about Thomas today and said he can't do anything until next week - are we the same - and only when their deals expire can we decide to recall over renew?
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Risser and Cox may be of use to cover Navarro - but Rooney is not "vital" as we have Ritchie, Roberts and RDV out wide
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The one we actually need now is Caddis - as it is our FBs who are injured - but considering he is out for weeks anyway even if we could recall him it wouldn't do anything to help us

London Red wrote:
Go on then Romain name an 18 man squad for tonight considering you think we have 30 odd players
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Remember you can't pick Flint, Thompson, Bessone, Navarro and Williams as all out injured or banned
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I got to 17 - 1 short and you are telling me he is just moaning for the sake of it!
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Injuries are costing us at the monent and as he said that breeds complacement in others as they know their spot is guaranteed as there is no alternative

That's not the point LR. If we have a good squad and 17 of them are available, injuries should not be an excuse. If we can't put out a good team from 17 players it can only be because some of those players are not good enough, which is the point Darren is making I think. And if the players are not good enough, the person who signed them can't complain, can he?
We are one short? Sorry, no we're not. If we have 17 players to choose from, we have 6 substitutes, which should be more than enough. OK, so the opposition will probably have 7. I don't see that as a big deal when you can play only 3 of them - and might not even need to make 3 changes.

Oi Den! wrote:

London Red wrote: Go on then Romain name an 18 man squad for tonight considering you think we have 30 odd players . Remember you can't pick Flint, Thompson, Bessone, Navarro and Williams as all out injured or banned . I got to 17 - 1 short and you are telling me he is just moaning for the sake of it! . Injuries are costing us at the monent and as he said that breeds complacement in others as they know their spot is guaranteed as there is no alternative

That's not the point LR. If we have a good squad and 17 of them are available, injuries should not be an excuse. If we can't put out a good team from 17 players it can only be because some of those players are not good enough, which is the point Darren is making I think. And if the players are not good enough, the person who signed them can't complain, can he? We are one short? Sorry, no we're not. If we have 17 players to choose from, we have 6 substitutes, which should be more than enough. OK, so the opposition will probably have 7. I don't see that as a big deal when you can play only 3 of them - and might not even need to make 3 changes.

I am not sure that Paolo is saying they are not good enough. I read it as him wanting to bring competition in for places to bring more out of the players he has.

We had a similar problem with injuries around this time last season and we found Macca at Centre Half as a result. Could this be the chance for Louis, Storey or ANOther to shine !

COYMR

On a different note, I have a ticket for the Villa game, Don Rogers stand. Does anyone want to buy it? I will be on holiday!

IM me if interested, I go tomorrow so need to get rid today!

Wilesy's line-up sums it up well I think. A side comprised of PDC first teamers plus Ferry and Ritchie, all more or less in their preferred positions, and 4 more of his signings on the bench. What is the problem?

Oxon, I really don't believe in the complacency argument. We all know that PDC is a hard taskmaster. There is competition for places all over the pitch. With the probable exception of Foderingham., there is not one player who is guaranteed a starting spot. Yes, when there are injuries and suspensions the manager's options are restricted but that happens to all clubs - and with the money we've spent we should be better placed than most to get through it. We're not in a transfer embargo for nothing.

Oi Den! wrote:
Oxon, I really don't believe in the complacency argument. We all know that PDC is a hard taskmaster. There is competition for places all over the pitch. With the probable exception of Foderingham., there is not one player who is guaranteed a starting spot. Yes, when there are injuries and suspensions the manager's options are restricted but that happens to all clubs - and with the money we've spent we should be better placed than most to get through it. We're not in a transfer embargo for nothing.

Den,

I wasn't defending the complacency statement I was defending the players and their ability not being questioned by Paolo.

I will identify one position that I think we could use competition for and that is the deeper central midfield role i.e. Miller. I am not sure we have anyone to push him apart from Macca and he seems to be primarily a defender now.

COYMR

Sadgit – Jervis has netted 11 in 30 since joing us and has 4 in 6 this year
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That seems far from average too me!
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Plus he was not just about goals – he had the size and pace to trouble defenders and would be a great player to come in and fill the gap left by Williams

Den – I was trying to make this point a few weeks back if anyone thinks we have the 23 best players in L1 or the best 2 players in each position then they are living on a different planet
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Yes we have a good squad and overall will be above a lot of other sides – however, as soon as you take out certain players our team will become significantly weaker
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We are not Man City and are unable to stock pile our reserves with top L1 players – so they are bound to be weaker when coming in
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To quote PdC (well sort of) “Raffa is a good player – but he is no Gary Roberts”
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That’s the point here – yes we can put Raffa in and name an 11 - but he is nowehre near the level of Roberts (or Ritchie) and that go for pretty much every other position
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We could put Rooney in but he is not Williams
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Macca is a Centre Midfielder who became a decent Centre Back and is now filling in as our Right Back – so is he the best RB in L1 though – No!
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Is he as good there as Thompson – No!
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Does that make PdC’s signing him a poor one- No! – it means we have been unlucky to lose Thompson and Bessone at the same time
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So would getting a RB in on loan to cover TWO injuries be a sign of poor management? – No!
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That is the point and that has always been the point – we slimmed down the squad dramtically - but by doing that we need the flexibility to cover injuires
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Now should the board anticipated the tribunal amounts / timing????????
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Who knows I don’t have a historic record to see if that was the norm or not
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But (again the simple question not answered – Sam can you ask Nick Watkins this?) would our board putting in equity lift us out and give us that flexibility?
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If so then this debate could have been redundent as we could have got a loan in to cover Williams / RB
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No one is saying we should go mad and sign players for the fun of it – just cover injuries with short “emergency” loans – a CF and RB!
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Also that raises the point SWP said yesterday amounts had been held in reserve for Jan if a push was required – how can it be in reserve but us be over budget?
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Does it actually mean PdC has NOT overspent and the ability to get 1 or 2 in on loan SHOULD be there if it was not for the Tribunal decision?
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If so why are peolple slating PdC over that?
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Would actually back up his point as actions out of his control is hindering the team!

All very interesting points of view today and constructive.It would be interesting to know the players that Di Canio has signed since he joined the club and where are they now.
He reported that the club was valueless player wise when he arrived and although there are potential higher fees in Richie Fodingham i am wondering what players values have been realised to date.I would obviously prefer these player to realise their ambitions with the town.Difficult times show the truth worth of a manager and players.

I agree with Paolo. Okay he may have made mistakes with some signing, or perhaps the players haven't lived up to expectations, but he has identified these problems and wants to rectify them. The embargo is preventing us from doing this however. so you can see why he is saying we have lost points due to it.

LR if Jervis is as good as you think he is why is he pemanently out on loan from Brum.
I can hardly remember him winning a header except the one he scored with when it bounced of his shoulder when he had his eyes shut.

mossy282 wrote:
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IM me if interested, I go tomorrow so need to get rid today!

Mossy i cant figure out the IM system.
But if you still selling, I'm at pad.ladd@yahoo.co.uk !

Cheers

LR, what I am saying is that you can't expect to have 2 players of equal ability for each position. If that's what we are trying to do, it's little wonder we've breached the rules. You get times in the season when you struggle to put your best team out but you just have to go with the players you've got. I'm not slating PDC. I just wonder what he expects in terms of resources when he has already had a budget many of our rivals can only dream of. We can't expect to be able to sign new players every time we hit a rough patch, whether through injuries, suspension or simple loss of form. Isn't that why we signed all these players in the first place - to give us plenty of options? If they are not good enough to get us through a temporary period of difficulty, perhaps with a bit of minor reshuffling, what were they signed for?
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I don't understand this about the tribunal decision and having to pay transfer fees up front. It is a wages restriction that we have breached, not a transfer fee restriction, so what difference does the timing of the payments make?

For me I would like to Storey get a chance. Without Williams we look very predictable and are missing his pace.

Benson, Rooney and Collins look very similar and have hardly been prolific this season, although Collins looks as though he is coming good. Rooney may also benefit from a few starts.

If any of the youngsters do as well as Nathan Thompson then happy days!

But until they get an opportunity then we will never know. Now could be the time.

mossy282 wrote:
On a different note, I have a ticket for the Villa game, Don Rogers stand. Does anyone want to buy it? I will be on holiday!

IM me if interested, I go tomorrow so need to get rid today!

Mossy i cant figure out the IM system.
But if you still selling, I'm at pad.ladd@yahoo.co.uk !

Cheers

Pad ladd

Just tried to e mail you but it got bounced back , is the address right?

E mail me at - yb1692002@yahoo.co.u
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Sadgit - because Birmingham are in a higher division than us!
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Its like Steven Caulker - he went out on loans lots of time and is now in the Spurs 1st team and close to the England squad
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Ryan Bertrand is another - who had 9 loans before breaking in at Chelsea
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He is no Zigic or Lovenkrands so needs to go out on loan to get experience while young and learning his trade
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Den - the 2 of equal quality is certainly the model PdC is looking to move us too
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Its what he was part of at AC and what he thinks is best as it means that change can be made without disrupting the team
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We are certainly not there yet - but are closer this year than last and will probably be closer again next than this year as we keep progressing
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The expenditure on the Fees has clearly been stated as the reason for the embargo - but how this works???
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I still can't believe the Adver haven't asked Nick Watkins to explain the system (if they don't already have details)
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Simply put an article on stating what makes up turnover and what makes up expenditure so this whole debate can be clarified once and for all
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We don't need the actual numbers - just the rules

Oi Den! wrote:

London Red wrote:
Go on then Romain name an 18 man squad for tonight considering you think we have 30 odd players
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Remember you can't pick Flint, Thompson, Bessone, Navarro and Williams as all out injured or banned
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I got to 17 - 1 short and you are telling me he is just moaning for the sake of it!
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Injuries are costing us at the monent and as he said that breeds complacement in others as they know their spot is guaranteed as there is no alternative

That's not the point LR. If we have a good squad and 17 of them are available, injuries should not be an excuse. If we can't put out a good team from 17 players it can only be because some of those players are not good enough, which is the point Darren is making I think. And if the players are not good enough, the person who signed them can't complain, can he?
We are one short? Sorry, no we're not. If we have 17 players to choose from, we have 6 substitutes, which should be more than enough. OK, so the opposition will probably have 7. I don't see that as a big deal when you can play only 3 of them - and might not even need to make 3 changes.

Don't see any problem with 17 players chaps!didn't we win the League Cup and Promotion in 69 with a few less than 17!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Don't agree with that at all. We drafted in ward, Rooney who are pants.
Sorry as much as I agree with pdc I'm afraid he has got this one wrong also send Bostock back if you don't rate him.
Onwards and downwards

smirg kcab wrote:
Don't agree with that at all. We drafted in ward, Rooney who are pants. Sorry as much as I agree with pdc I'm afraid he has got this one wrong also send Bostock back if you don't rate him. Onwards and downwards

What is pants about Ward ?

Looks a solid Centre Half to me.

COYMR

By the way jervis is now out for 2/3 weeks

smirg kcab wrote:
Don't agree with that at all. We drafted in ward, Rooney who are pants.
Sorry as much as I agree with pdc I'm afraid he has got this one wrong also send Bostock back if you don't rate him.
Onwards and downwards

Calm down Grim!you'll be sending Paolo off to Palace!they've started a PDC to Palace campaign online,cause it looks like their manager's off to Bolton!!!!!!!!!!

LR, it is not transfer fee expenditure, it's wages expenditure. I think there is a lot of tosh talked in the press about this.
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The Football League is operating "Salary Cost Management Protocol". Here is a brief summary from financialfairplay.co
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"Under the SCMP, clubs need to restrict spending on wages to a percentage of their turnover (55% in League 2, and 65% in League 1 reducing to 60% in 2013/14). Clubs are required to submit regular up-to-date budgetary statements and forecasts throughout the season. The League will impose a transfer embargo as soon as a club is about to exceed the limits."
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Full details are available on the Football League website - except that turnover is not defined. If it is not defined, I would be inclined to assume that it means what everyone understands it to mean - operating income (and not even net operating income, in which case reducing costs other than wages will not make any difference).
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As for having two "first choice" quality players in every position, I think that's pure pie in the sky. The costs of such a set up would be astronomical and you could never keep 22 players of that standard happy - and anyway this is where the wage cap kicks in. And you simply don't need it. Outfield players can usually play in more than one position. Injuries and suspensions happen at all clubs - and suspensions are usually self-inflicted and deserved problems. You just have to be able to get through these spells, and we are better placed to get through them better than most - unless we have signed the wrong players of course.

too many "betters" at the end of my post.

Oxon-Red wrote:

smirg kcab wrote:
Don't agree with that at all. We drafted in ward, Rooney who are pants. Sorry as much as I agree with pdc I'm afraid he has got this one wrong also send Bostock back if you don't rate him. Onwards and downwards

What is pants about Ward ?

Looks a solid Centre Half to me.

COYMR

Well I've seen him in every game he has played and I'm sorry he is pants IMO. still you probably thought Wilson was going to save us from relegation.
Ward started poor at pox and gave the goal away and still doing it now.
Same as Rooney Connell got slated by many on here missing sitters, rooney has missed better chances yet again IMO
Onwards and downwards

Den - it was Wray who said it was the Tribunal decision that put us in this technical embargo not the Press
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SWP mentioned the equity piece too
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So it is our Chairmen who have confused the matter
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As you said it is not defined in that what counts and doesn't - but a definition is clearly available otherwise how would clubs be able to submit their estimations?
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Sam has contacts at the club we don't so as this has been debated for days, weeks even months - why not simply ask Watkins to give us a breakdown and end the speculation once and for all
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As I said it doesn't need the numbers as they are obviously confidential - but can say Turnover includes X, Y and Z
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Then expediture includes A, B and C

Den - this comes straight from the BBC on the PdC happy to stay article
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Swindon were placed under a Football League transfer embargo earlier this month after they exceeded the fixed wage and FEE cap, which can only be 65% of a club's turnover.

London Red wrote:
Den - this comes straight from the BBC on the PdC happy to stay article
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Swindon were placed under a Football League transfer embargo earlier this month after they exceeded the fixed wage and FEE cap, which can only be 65% of a club's turnover.

Yep, that's the BBC. The Football League's explanation only mentions transfers when it talks about embargoes for breaching the wages limit. "Salary Cost Management Protocol" does not suggest any involvement of transfer fees - unless perhaps signing on fees as being part of wages?

DarrenSTFCRomain wrote:
NO PAOLO YOU HAVE COST USE THE POINTS.. As the players you have at the club YOU bought then to STFC... Please stop the moaning and get on with ya job as you have had a great budget that somehow has already been spent after 13 games

Couldn't agree more.
With the exception of the goalkeeper the best players were here before he came.

sadgit wrote:

London Red wrote:
These injuries are not new though are they! . Williams has missed the last 2 and half games . Macca was out for 2 before that as was Roberts - 3 big players . The fact is we have not had a chance to cover injuries and still don't and we are now down to under a matchday squad of available professionals . Look at Tranmere - they lost Akpa Akpro so went out and signed Jervis as cover . Thats all PdC wanted and wants to do - sign someone as cover . As for Loans don't work thats not true as we saw lots come in last year and make a big impact - Jervis prime example! . He certainly would have been fit as had been playing at Carlilse . Now I would have been delighted had he came in on loan while Williams is out as he has pace to go alongside his height - plus he knows where the net is as we have seen at both ends!

Always thought Jervis was average at best.

jervis scored on his Tranmere debut, but is out for 2 weeks with an injury he picked up

SAPFanSTFC wrote:
I have to agree with Romain here as I can't see where Paolo would have brought a player in and played him where that player is of the standard and fitness that he demands.
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Let's remember that Bostock has been with us all season and he isn't ready yet.
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Had Paolo said it may well cost us 3pts then you could understand that as we've got so many players out but it hasn't cost us to date.
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Only last week PDC said he didn't have a specific player in mind but that he wanted the option to use emergency loans where and when required...so how does that translate into 'HAS' cost us 3pts?
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I'm a fan of Paolo but this smacks of backside and covers here....losing Nathan is possibly the biggest issue although Devera can do a job there and did well enough against Stoke.

I also have to agree Sap, not sure where Paolo was ever going to find ready replacements.

Personally I don't recall seeing one league team so far at the CG that we couldn't have beaten scheite teams, all of them were poor, so for me 10 points have been dropped against very mediocre teams all sitting in the bottom half. Yes they've all come with a game plan to snuff out Ritchie, but even so we should have enough to boss the game we like to play, if we had kept the ball on the deck and played the way Paolo wants us too. We still do not have a settled back four, midfield or upfront. Too much sloppiness at the back, too little commitment and creativity in the middle and poor finishing up front. Could he have brought additions in to improve, I don't know, are present incumbrants too relaxed knowing they're present positions are safe, without a doubt. Our home form is not too much better than it was when we were relegated. losing against poor opposition is not going to get us promoted, we need to be dominating and playing our way, not the way they're best suited to want the game to be played

Agree with the above, but what I think we should be fearful of is, we have failed to capitalise on beating the bottom teams, where does that leave us with the rest ?
I don't think we do need replacements, as such, we need some VERY key players in each of the three lines, defence, midfield and up front, and historically they are not available usually in the January window. I seriously think the level within League One was under estimated big time last spring/summer and although we brought in the players we identified, the simple fact is, right now, as a team we are not good enough. Big games coming up, I am fearful of the pending results.

DarrenSTFCRomain wrote:
NO PAOLO YOU HAVE COST USE THE POINTS.. As the players you have at the club YOU bought then to STFC... Please stop the moaning and get on with ya job as you have had a great budget that somehow has already been spent after 13 games

Romain YOUR BANG OUT OF ORDER AND DONT KNOW WHAT YOUR ON ABOUT...
YOU MUST BE A OXFORD FAN YOU TWATT

DarrenSTFCRomain wrote:

DarrenSTFCRomain wrote:
NO PAOLO YOU HAVE COST USE THE POINTS.. As the players you have at the club YOU bought then to STFC... Please stop the moaning and get on with ya job as you have had a great budget that somehow has already been spent after 13 games

Romain YOUR BANG OUT OF ORDER AND DONT KNOW WHAT YOUR ON ABOUT...
YOU MUST BE A OXFORD FAN YOU TWATT

Interesting.

DarrenSTFCRomain wrote:

DarrenSTFCRomain wrote:
NO PAOLO YOU HAVE COST USE THE POINTS.. As the players you have at the club YOU bought then to STFC... Please stop the moaning and get on with ya job as you have had a great budget that somehow has already been spent after 13 games

Romain YOUR BANG OUT OF ORDER AND DONT KNOW WHAT YOUR ON ABOUT...
YOU MUST BE A OXFORD FAN YOU TWATT

You tell him Darren,to tell you to tell him,oh its all the same anyway ,isnt it oh jumpers for goal posts ,mum shouting me for tea...........

the wizard wrote:

DarrenSTFCRomain wrote:

DarrenSTFCRomain wrote: NO PAOLO YOU HAVE COST USE THE POINTS.. As the players you have at the club YOU bought then to STFC... Please stop the moaning and get on with ya job as you have had a great budget that somehow has already been spent after 13 games

Romain YOUR BANG OUT OF ORDER AND DONT KNOW WHAT YOUR ON ABOUT... YOU MUST BE A OXFORD FAN YOU TWATT

Interesting.

No wiz just board

Oi Den! wrote:

London Red wrote: Den - this comes straight from the BBC on the PdC happy to stay article . Swindon were placed under a Football League transfer embargo earlier this month after they exceeded the fixed wage and FEE cap, which can only be 65% of a club's turnover.

Yep, that's the BBC. The Football League's explanation only mentions transfers when it talks about embargoes for breaching the wages limit. "Salary Cost Management Protocol" does not suggest any involvement of transfer fees - unless perhaps signing on fees as being part of wages?

Den,

The embargo was placed on Town after we were asked to pay the full fees for Troy and Collins. Their wages will not have increased and Wray said at the time that we only expected to pay half this season and half next season. This suggests to me that transfers fees are included in the 65%.

If transfer fees were not included it would be pointless having the cap as the whole point of it is to stop clubs getting into debt.

COYMR

Ok then, i may have mised this but HOW DO WE GET OUT OF THE EMBARGO"

Oxon-Red wrote:

Oi Den! wrote:

London Red wrote: Den - this comes straight from the BBC on the PdC happy to stay article . Swindon were placed under a Football League transfer embargo earlier this month after they exceeded the fixed wage and FEE cap, which can only be 65% of a club's turnover.

Yep, that's the BBC. The Football League's explanation only mentions transfers when it talks about embargoes for breaching the wages limit. "Salary Cost Management Protocol" does not suggest any involvement of transfer fees - unless perhaps signing on fees as being part of wages?

Den,

The embargo was placed on Town after we were asked to pay the full fees for Troy and Collins. Their wages will not have increased and Wray said at the time that we only expected to pay half this season and half next season. This suggests to me that transfers fees are included in the 65%.

If transfer fees were not included it would be pointless having the cap as the whole point of it is to stop clubs getting into debt.

COYMR

Oxon, I don't doubt your logic; I'm only quoting what has come from the horse's mouth. Have a look at the FL website on the subject. Transfer fees are not mentioned anywhere. If they are included in the 65% then the League makes a very poor job of saying so.

Oxon-Red wrote:

Oi Den! wrote:

London Red wrote: Den - this comes straight from the BBC on the PdC happy to stay article . Swindon were placed under a Football League transfer embargo earlier this month after they exceeded the fixed wage and FEE cap, which can only be 65% of a club's turnover.

Yep, that's the BBC. The Football League's explanation only mentions transfers when it talks about embargoes for breaching the wages limit. "Salary Cost Management Protocol" does not suggest any involvement of transfer fees - unless perhaps signing on fees as being part of wages?

Den,

The embargo was placed on Town after we were asked to pay the full fees for Troy and Collins. Their wages will not have increased and Wray said at the time that we only expected to pay half this season and half next season. This suggests to me that transfers fees are included in the 65%.

If transfer fees were not included it would be pointless having the cap as the whole point of it is to stop clubs getting into debt.

COYMR

Oxon, I don't doubt your logic; I'm only quoting what has come from the horse's mouth. Have a look at the FL website on the subject. Transfer fees are not mentioned anywhere. If they are included in the 65% then the League makes a very poor job of saying so.