Di Canio yearns for options like Tranmere (From Swindon Advertiser)

And why are they able to do that? Because they didn't blow their entire budget in august.

Reminds me of when I was a kid . If a blew my pocket money in a day I'd moan my brother could still buy things. Only to be told tough I got more than him, being older, and it was my own fault.
Time to learn the lesson Paolo

Rhs Boydy wrote:
And why are they able to do that? Because they didn't blow their entire budget in august.

Reminds me of when I was a kid . If a blew my pocket money in a day I'd moan my brother could still buy things. Only to be told tough I got more than him, being older, and it was my own fault.
Time to learn the lesson Paolo

Well said.

would think if the manager continues this talk he could well find himself out of a job! some of the things he is ranting about is ridiculous,he has messed up and is now spitting his dummy out signing all those players,using his budget up is all down to him and wray and his agent.stop moaning and get on with it!

Rhs Boydy wrote:
And why are they able to do that? Because they didn't blow their entire budget in august.

Reminds me of when I was a kid . If a blew my pocket money in a day I'd moan my brother could still buy things. Only to be told tough I got more than him, being older, and it was my own fault.
Time to learn the lesson Paolo

I agree. And it's the media - not the fans - that keep all this chat going!

By the way - does anyone seriously believe Paolo would be happy to sign Jervis as a replacement for Williams?

I'd quite like to see Paolo sign up and play. I'm sure he would hold his own for an hour or so.

akershaker wrote:

Rhs Boydy wrote:
And why are they able to do that? Because they didn't blow their entire budget in august.

Reminds me of when I was a kid . If a blew my pocket money in a day I'd moan my brother could still buy things. Only to be told tough I got more than him, being older, and it was my own fault.
Time to learn the lesson Paolo

I agree. And it's the media - not the fans - that keep all this chat going!

By the way - does anyone seriously believe Paolo would be happy to sign Jervis as a replacement for Williams?

I think you have totally missed the point Paolo was trying to make! It's obvious we need another striker if we are serious about getting back in the mix, I just don't understand some of you critiscising Paolo for wanting to at least get into the play offs? We've got a small club mentality!

Lazaat wrote:

akershaker wrote:

Rhs Boydy wrote: And why are they able to do that? Because they didn't blow their entire budget in august. Reminds me of when I was a kid . If a blew my pocket money in a day I'd moan my brother could still buy things. Only to be told tough I got more than him, being older, and it was my own fault. Time to learn the lesson Paolo

I agree. And it's the media - not the fans - that keep all this chat going! By the way - does anyone seriously believe Paolo would be happy to sign Jervis as a replacement for Williams?

I think you have totally missed the point Paolo was trying to make! It's obvious we need another striker if we are serious about getting back in the mix, I just don't understand some of you critiscising Paolo for wanting to at least get into the play offs? We've got a small club mentality!

Hi Laz agree with you somewhat but we do have strikers that Paolo has brought to the club who couldn't score in a brothel.
What is to say any other signings would be any better.

Not to mention the fact they have all missed the point that PdC did NOT blow the entire budget in August
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He had about £150k spare to allow him to dip into the loan market to cover injuries (Tranmere signed another forward yesterday to cover by the way)
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This was then taken away from him and since then we have suffered a ridiculous amount of injuries - not even Man U could cope with 7 out at once
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The board CAN remove the embargo by either buying new shares or converting existing loans (£1.4m sit on the balance sheet) into equity - that's just the club - more exist in the holding company!
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PdC then gets his spare budget back and can cover the injuries with loans
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It like being on a project and told you have the option for an extra person I required - halfway through you realise that is needed and say can I have that extra person and you are then told no
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Is that your fault?

And so it goes on. If PDC wants us to accept that we need more players, what about a little humility from him, i.e. the recognition that he has signed players who are not up to the job? We have signed Williams, Collins and Rooney, to add to De Vita, Benson and Storey. Just one of those players is temporarily unavailable and we can't pick two from the other five?
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Or perhaps the problem is in midfield. Didn't we sign a few midfielders too?
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I am astonished that PDC can accuse our board and investors of a lack of ambition after all support he has been given. With the exception of the very rich Premier League clubs, I would think there is hardly a managerial position in the land where he would get such a spending advantage over most of his rivals. I bet Tranmere feel really sorry for us.

Yet more crap, Tranmere Boss would have love to had the Budget Pdc had.
yet Pdc continues to yapp on,point about the Board and share issue etc just might be they have had enough and will resolve the Embargo by Jan as new chairman has said.
As for Pdc most fans do wish him well and hope he can succeed yet he is forever shooting himself in the foot.
He would be better off trying to get the best out of his squad,yet I fear they may be getting a bit thread bared with his management style.
As every day he seems to be balming his team/the Embargo but never himself.
People talk about replacemnt for him,well of course is a possibility and I just hope he can turn this round before xmas otherwise he may be shown the door

I'm sure a great deal of what Paolo says is lost in translation. This is fairly typical of someone who probably wasn't taught English in the classroom but has developed a wide vocabulary during his life in the UK but not a lot of linguistic accuracy and hence his tendency to babble on with a flow of often unconnected, sometimes slightly incoherent chunks of language coming out of his mouth.

I'm a fan of the man but like others sometimes throw my hands up in horror at what he does say. I'm still convinced that he's on track to make STFC a success. This year for entrenchment, next season for promotion is the more likely and in all honesty probably the best strategy.

It just completely confounds me how people can question this man. He speaks so much truth, he brings out points that many people seem to refuse to acknowledge or see, and they make up their own little statistics and theories in order to aid in their methods of attacking his regime at this club.

Can whoever is interviewing Paolo next PLEASE ensure that you let him know that its only a small minority who are saying things like "he should prove his quality with the players he has" many, many more see why he needs another 1 or 2 players, and we can't let a few have their views portrayed as the norm.

London Red wrote:
Not to mention the fact they have all missed the point that PdC did NOT blow the entire budget in August
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He had about £150k spare to allow him to dip into the loan market to cover injuries (Tranmere signed another forward yesterday to cover by the way)
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This was then taken away from him and since then we have suffered a ridiculous amount of injuries - not even Man U could cope with 7 out at once
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The board CAN remove the embargo by either buying new shares or converting existing loans (£1.4m sit on the balance sheet) into equity - that's just the club - more exist in the holding company!
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PdC then gets his spare budget back and can cover the injuries with loans
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It like being on a project and told you have the option for an extra person I required - halfway through you realise that is needed and say can I have that extra person and you are then told no
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Is that your fault?

Just one point of note/question here LR:
If he had £150K left over but the club knew they were going to the panel for Collins and Troy SURELY!!...someone knew that they were going to have to spend most of that on the two players.
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I seem to remember Wray saying he thought we got Collins for less than expected and Troy's price was as expected.
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Given that knowledge someone knew that the money would be gone - even if they only had to front up 50% of the fees.
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I wouldn't expect Paolo to know the ins and outs of this but surely there would have been some investigation/budget discussions in which they would have budgeted for some significant outlay in August/September/Oct
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I don't see that there would have been too much left over by now if I'm being honest.

As a Tranmere fan I just had to comment on this as its hilarious

Firstly as Ronnie has one of the lowest 5 budgets in the league I am sure he would love to swap his with PDC!!

Secondly the whole article makes no sense. Akpro injured himself on October 6th and we signed Jervis on October 20th, 14 days after! Hardly an hour

In that time we have been desperately trying to sign a replacement for Robinson and Akpro who were both injured but we couldn't afford one and got Jervis on the cheap

We have since signed Eccleston on loan because we got some TV money for the ITV cup game

Oh and - as quoted:
It like being on a project and told you have the option for an extra person I required - halfway through you realise that is needed and say can I have that extra person and you are then told no
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Is that your fault?
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I had this EXACT situation on my current assignment which is why I've missed too many home games and unable to get to a lot of away games at the moment.
...BUT!!...I don't go around shouting about it after every issue is raised during the User Test Phase and had I done so I wouldn't be there any more, plus it certainly wouldn't have helped my reputation for project management and communications.
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After I let my feelings be known 'quietly' in an office and only to those that matter I then had to roll my sleeves up and work a bit harder whilst providing ongoing encouragement for the rest of the project team while they all work extra hard as well.
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Unusually for you - Not a good comparison on this occasion I'm afraid

I think many people are just missing the point.... He wants a loan player to cover 7 injuries to maintain our position, players who should be bit part players are having to play all the games, I agree with PDC, we need cover up front, Rooney is not a bad player but misses more than connell.

Saying that I am still dissapointed in some of the players at the moment, One thing I would say is that when we were promoted under Ardiles we played the same team for something like 15 games on the trot, the team grew to know each other and played as a unit, all the chopping and changing of players doesn't help we should have a core 9 with maybe 1 or 2 changes, like most other teams do.

Lone Wolf wrote:
I'm sure a great deal of what Paolo says is lost in translation. This is fairly typical of someone who probably wasn't taught English in the classroom but has developed a wide vocabulary during his life in the UK but not a lot of linguistic accuracy and hence his tendency to babble on with a flow of often unconnected, sometimes slightly incoherent chunks of language coming out of his mouth.

I'm a fan of the man but like others sometimes throw my hands up in horror at what he does say. I'm still convinced that he's on track to make STFC a success. This year for entrenchment, next season for promotion is the more likely and in all honesty probably the best strategy.

Good post. I don't see why we shouldn't have a crack at it this season though. Promotion was never going to be the breeze that many people seemed to expect at the start of the season, but with the money we've spent we should be there or thereabouts at the end.

Oi Den! wrote:

Lone Wolf wrote:
I'm sure a great deal of what Paolo says is lost in translation. This is fairly typical of someone who probably wasn't taught English in the classroom but has developed a wide vocabulary during his life in the UK but not a lot of linguistic accuracy and hence his tendency to babble on with a flow of often unconnected, sometimes slightly incoherent chunks of language coming out of his mouth.

I'm a fan of the man but like others sometimes throw my hands up in horror at what he does say. I'm still convinced that he's on track to make STFC a success. This year for entrenchment, next season for promotion is the more likely and in all honesty probably the best strategy.

Good post. I don't see why we shouldn't have a crack at it this season though. Promotion was never going to be the breeze that many people seemed to expect at the start of the season, but with the money we've spent we should be there or thereabouts at the end.

Agreed - Play-Off spot was always my expectation at best....but we will have a good shout at automatic as no team is going to walk this league.
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Although - Given a choice of win both cup games OR 3pts v Stevenage, I'll take the Cup wins please! :-)
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Have a funny feeling we'll spring a surprise tomorrow though.

mallorca wrote:
Yet more crap, Tranmere Boss would have love to had the Budget Pdc had.
yet Pdc continues to yapp on,point about the Board and share issue etc just might be they have had enough and will resolve the Embargo by Jan as new chairman has said.
As for Pdc most fans do wish him well and hope he can succeed yet he is forever shooting himself in the foot.
He would be better off trying to get the best out of his squad,yet I fear they may be getting a bit thread bared with his management style.
As every day he seems to be balming his team/the Embargo but never himself.
People talk about replacemnt for him,well of course is a possibility and I just hope he can turn this round before xmas otherwise he may be shown the door

Mallorca, I don't think it's just Paolo coming out with the same old crap every day, I think it's also likely the Adver rehashing the same interview over a week or more, feeding us a few snippets at a time, so it seems like he's just repeating himself.

I could be wrong of course

I can't believe some of the fans on here these are the same fans that at the end of the season when we miss out on promotion by a couple of points that will be bemoaning the fact that the board didn't fully back the manager. I'm not for once suggesting that dicanio hasn't got a good budget but let's not make the same mistake as previous boards have done over previous season and just not gone that extra mile to ensure promotion. I for one am fully behind pdc.

This carping of PDC is a) pathetic and b) boring - he's a good manager, far better than the last 5 or so the club has employed - OK - hes not perfect - none of us are - but for goodness sake, get behind him and enjoy it while it lasts

This is a joke yes? Tranmere have got a tiny budget compared to what Di Canio operates with. He should stop moaning and get on with his job.

killerontheloose wrote:
This carping of PDC is a) pathetic and b) boring - he's a good manager, far better than the last 5 or so the club has employed - OK - hes not perfect - none of us are - but for goodness sake, get behind him and enjoy it while it lasts

And perhaps PDC should appreciate what he's got while it lasts. Before long, Andrew Black and the others who've ploughed millions into the club between them to keep it afloat might just start to feel a little hurt at having PDC's finger pointed at them. Which situation would harm us the most - PDC storming out in a huff because he can't sign more players, or the investors pulling the plug?

AT NO POINT HAS PAOLO SAID ANYTHING DEROGATORY OR ATTATCHED ANY BLAME TOWARDS ANY OF THE BOARD!

Den - for once I think you have totally missed the point
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The issue is not over the quality of the squad but the lack of them available!
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Now don't start harping on about in 1842 you never had a sub so why should we need one now because that is totally irrelvant
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iI 1843 we didn't have cars, planes, mobile phones, computers etc - but we do now - or do we not need them?
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Football like life has moved on and it is now more demanding - and requires players to do more so 11 can not play the 50+ games they do these days
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I guarantee you if Man City, Man U, Chelsea or Arsenal etc had the number of injuries we have their managers would be complaining and saying how they are suffering due to it
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Now their embargo is the Transfer Window - but they still will complain!
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That is all PdC is saying!
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Look at our bench on Tuesday - Oakley, L.Thompson, Storey and Bedwell - hardly the bench of a team going for back to back promotions! (Our boards stated aim!!!)
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Also this nonsence about the budget is doing my head in (not aimed at Den)
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Lets get one thing straight if we did have double the budget of Stevenage (the favourite quote at the momennt) it doesn't mean we have got double the players!
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Stevenage say signed 23 players with their £2m on an average of £1,700 a week
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We however, signed 23 players on our £4m on an average of £3,300 a week
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All that means is we could land the likes of Roberts, Miller and Williams instead of keeping Gabi, Smith and Connell
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It doesn't give us prottection from injuries or 23 superstars!
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Yes we may have a few more good players than Stevenage - so could cope with a few more injuries than them - but we don't have a few we have LOT
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What number does it have to hit before some accept we have an injury crisis - 10, 12 or until we can't name an actual starting 11 and have to miss a game Boro style?

Old time Robin,yes agree you could well be right.It's just over here you get most info but is not allways corect.
I just read in a Spanish paper that Pdc could be sacked as he is allways going on to the media ref the Embargo.
Like many of us we will never know the whole truth etc.The new chairman said it should be all sorted out by Jan so lets wait and see.
As I have said many times Pdc's good points do outdo his bad ones and a lot maybe is lost in translation,Speaking from experience.
On another point met up with a Director of Burnley Fc last week and NO Pdc aint going there.However Charlie Austin has been subject to several Bids from the premere Div and Swindon so he said do have a decent sell on clause in place,that he did not say amount.
On closing I do like all comments on here good/bad even when I'm slagged off,what counts is we all love our club and at the end of the day have our own opinion,would be crazy world if we did not have.
So to Pdc good luck at Stevenage and give Villa a roasting make a game of it

Too many on here suggesting some are missing the point. I say pants. The points are these.
1. Everybody shares the goal to achieve promotion this season - no absteigners.
2. The stated strategy by JW was to use the core of last seasons squad, bring in new experienced at L1 & C level players to bring a figure of around 18 regulars - JWrays words not mine.
3. The club supported and voted for the 65% ruling so this was also part of the strategy. The club took a calculated risk in bringing in players on a level that pushed the barriers from day 1. That seems OK - they thought the risks were worth taking.
4. All additional income must be sanctioned by the money men as equity.
5. PDC was part of the strategy - with a new contract.
6. Additional 5 players were introduced to the squad on a loan or short term contract at the latest possible moment.

What is open to opinion is simply whether the money men should convert their loans to equity - which is their decision - not even the Chairmans. Also the fact is - debatably - that there are more players underperforming than there are injuries.

I say 2 things.
If PDC has to canvass every day for the extra money - he has to convince the money men - via the new Chairman. He is undoubtedly pishing off some of us so I say - canvass the decision making key people - not the fans. Pushing out this way will entrench the views of decision makers not persuade them IF there are any doubters though we dont actually know what is happening in their own minds - but remember - its their money and their risk.
Secondly - find a different way to motivate your underperformers into performing. This has to happen any way. The underperformance IMO is a bigger issue than the injuries.
So if you were PDC - if he has any wealth - he could also offer to put his own money in though probably unrealistic.
So for me it comes down to how can PDC motivate the underperformers of which there are many - whilst "encouraging" the likes of Mr Black - Mr Fitton - Mr Wray, to swap their loans for equity.
Then we are back in business

trfc2012 wrote:
As a Tranmere fan I just had to comment on this as its hilarious

Firstly as Ronnie has one of the lowest 5 budgets in the league I am sure he would love to swap his with PDC!!

Secondly the whole article makes no sense. Akpro injured himself on October 6th and we signed Jervis on October 20th, 14 days after! Hardly an hour

In that time we have been desperately trying to sign a replacement for Robinson and Akpro who were both injured but we couldn't afford one and got Jervis on the cheap

We have since signed Eccleston on loan because we got some TV money for the ITV cup game

Thank you for your comment, I think it puts things into their correct perspective, well done to Ronnie Moore for what he has achieved with such limited resources and scarcely a murmur .............

Sorry Folks - an emergency!
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Shouldn't have spunked a load of funds on useless wastes of space like Rooney and Ward then Paolo, then you might have some spare cash.

Shut up and get on with it FFS.

London Red wrote:
Den - for once I think you have totally missed the point
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The issue is not over the quality of the squad but the lack of them available!
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Now don't start harping on about in 1842 you never had a sub so why should we need one now because that is totally irrelvant
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iI 1843 we didn't have cars, planes, mobile phones, computers etc - but we do now - or do we not need them?
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Football like life has moved on and it is now more demanding - and requires players to do more so 11 can not play the 50+ games they do these days
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I guarantee you if Man City, Man U, Chelsea or Arsenal etc had the number of injuries we have their managers would be complaining and saying how they are suffering due to it
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Now their embargo is the Transfer Window - but they still will complain!
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That is all PdC is saying!
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Look at our bench on Tuesday - Oakley, L.Thompson, Storey and Bedwell - hardly the bench of a team going for back to back promotions! (Our boards stated aim!!!)
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Also this nonsence about the budget is doing my head in (not aimed at Den)
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Lets get one thing straight if we did have double the budget of Stevenage (the favourite quote at the momennt) it doesn't mean we have got double the players!
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Stevenage say signed 23 players with their £2m on an average of £1,700 a week
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We however, signed 23 players on our £4m on an average of £3,300 a week
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All that means is we could land the likes of Roberts, Miller and Williams instead of keeping Gabi, Smith and Connell
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It doesn't give us prottection from injuries or 23 superstars!
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Yes we may have a few more good players than Stevenage - so could cope with a few more injuries than them - but we don't have a few we have LOT
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What number does it have to hit before some accept we have an injury crisis - 10, 12 or until we can't name an actual starting 11 and have to miss a game Boro style?

LR, please don't put any words into my mouth, let alone nonsensical ones.
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Look at the players we have available. There is no shortage in any position. Agreed we have some temporary absences, but look at Tuesday's team:

Foderingham
02 Archibald-Henville
03 McEveley
05 Devera
08 Ferry
11 Roberts
12 McCormack
18 Miller
09 Collins
23 De Vita
28 Rooney

... with Ritchie, Bostock and Ward on the bench. (You forgot to mention those three!)

Are you seriously trying tell me that those 14 players (plus the other subs you did mention) should not be capable of succeeding at this level?
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Flint has served fis suspension now and our reamining players will all be fit again at some point. It happens at all clubs. If we are not good enough to catch up the lost ground with this squad over the rest of the season, well that's football life. I hope PDC does get the opportunity to sign more players and I hope he signs the right ones. But if it doesn't happen I don't see that he or any of us has any reason to feel hard done by.

Rhs Boydy wrote:
And why are they able to do that? Because they didn't blow their entire budget in august. Reminds me of when I was a kid . If a blew my pocket money in a day I'd moan my brother could still buy things. Only to be told tough I got more than him, being older, and it was my own fault. Time to learn the lesson Paolo

PDC didnt use all his budget - it wasnt his fault the tribunal fees were much higher than the board predicted.
Stop criticizing OUR manager, support him and the team.

You reds!

Oi Den! wrote:

London Red wrote: Den - for once I think you have totally missed the point . The issue is not over the quality of the squad but the lack of them available! . Now don't start harping on about in 1842 you never had a sub so why should we need one now because that is totally irrelvant . iI 1843 we didn't have cars, planes, mobile phones, computers etc - but we do now - or do we not need them? . Football like life has moved on and it is now more demanding - and requires players to do more so 11 can not play the 50+ games they do these days . I guarantee you if Man City, Man U, Chelsea or Arsenal etc had the number of injuries we have their managers would be complaining and saying how they are suffering due to it . Now their embargo is the Transfer Window - but they still will complain! . That is all PdC is saying! . Look at our bench on Tuesday - Oakley, L.Thompson, Storey and Bedwell - hardly the bench of a team going for back to back promotions! (Our boards stated aim!!!) . Also this nonsence about the budget is doing my head in (not aimed at Den) . Lets get one thing straight if we did have double the budget of Stevenage (the favourite quote at the momennt) it doesn't mean we have got double the players! . Stevenage say signed 23 players with their £2m on an average of £1,700 a week . We however, signed 23 players on our £4m on an average of £3,300 a week . All that means is we could land the likes of Roberts, Miller and Williams instead of keeping Gabi, Smith and Connell . It doesn't give us prottection from injuries or 23 superstars! . Yes we may have a few more good players than Stevenage - so could cope with a few more injuries than them - but we don't have a few we have LOT . What number does it have to hit before some accept we have an injury crisis - 10, 12 or until we can't name an actual starting 11 and have to miss a game Boro style?

LR, please don't put any words into my mouth, let alone nonsensical ones. . Look at the players we have available. There is no shortage in any position. Agreed we have some temporary absences, but look at Tuesday's team: Foderingham 02 Archibald-Henville 03 McEveley 05 Devera 08 Ferry 11 Roberts 12 McCormack 18 Miller 09 Collins 23 De Vita 28 Rooney ... with Ritchie, Bostock and Ward on the bench. (You forgot to mention those three!) Are you seriously trying tell me that those 14 players (plus the other subs you did mention) should not be capable of succeeding at this level? . Flint has served fis suspension now and our reamining players will all be fit again at some point. It happens at all clubs. If we are not good enough to catch up the lost ground with this squad over the rest of the season, well that's football life. I hope PDC does get the opportunity to sign more players and I hope he signs the right ones. But if it doesn't happen I don't see that he or any of us has any reason to feel hard done by.

Den it's the competition for places that hurts - 14 good players yes but too many positions where the players know they will be starting.

Means the difference for example of McEveley giving it 100% and firing on all cylinders with Bessone pushing him for a start, or 75% with no competition leading to poor crosses and sloppy passing.

Not just Jay of course who I rate highly - just using him as an example.

Wilesy - very, very good point there. Another example is the fact we only have 2 central mid's currently. why should they give 100% when they are guaranteed a place every week?

(well actually there are lots of reasons why they should, but of course they wont)

Exaxctly Wisley - I'm sure its no coincidence that Jay had absolute shocking game against Scunny!

Based on that game he should be benched but PdC has no choice
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Also some of those players are only just coming back from injury - so are not "back up to speed" - Troy who is not the player he was at present
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Plus by playing the same 11 Sat-Tues-Sat-Tues-Sa
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Will someone please answer the simple question I have asked - how many injuries do we need to have before some it is not PdC moaning but an actual problem?
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I will answer it and say 7 is a bl00dy crisis!

I think this business of the only way to motivate a player is fear of being subbed is absolute bolls. Players respond to a wide range of stimuli - not just fear of being subbed. does it not occur to some that players are motivated by professional pride, encouragement, opportunity to develop their game, win, satisfy the fans, build their reputation. Never read so much rubbish in my life!

Oi Den! wrote:
And so it goes on. If PDC wants us to accept that we need more players, what about a little humility from him, i.e. the recognition that he has signed players who are not up to the job? We have signed Williams, Collins and Rooney, to add to De Vita, Benson and Storey. Just one of those players is temporarily unavailable and we can't pick two from the other five?
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Or perhaps the problem is in midfield. Didn't we sign a few midfielders too?
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I am astonished that PDC can accuse our board and investors of a lack of ambition after all support he has been given. With the exception of the very rich Premier League clubs, I would think there is hardly a managerial position in the land where he would get such a spending advantage over most of his rivals. I bet Tranmere feel really sorry for us.

Of course your not anti paolo, you just like to criticise every time he makes a comment.

And go on and on and on!

I heard that Benson was not injured. Flint is suspended not injured. That makes 5. How many is when we cannot afford any body else? Like now!

SeanG92 wrote:
It just completely confounds me how people can question this man. He speaks so much truth, he brings out points that many people seem to refuse to acknowledge or see, and they make up their own little statistics and theories in order to aid in their methods of attacking his regime at this club. Can whoever is interviewing Paolo next PLEASE ensure that you let him know that its only a small minority who are saying things like "he should prove his quality with the players he has" many, many more see why he needs another 1 or 2 players, and we can't let a few have their views portrayed as the norm.

Another "fan" that can not stand for others to question PDC. I think you will find there is a lot more than "a small minority" I am a little worried about how many are starting to turn.

stfcred wrote:

SeanG92 wrote:
It just completely confounds me how people can question this man. He speaks so much truth, he brings out points that many people seem to refuse to acknowledge or see, and they make up their own little statistics and theories in order to aid in their methods of attacking his regime at this club. Can whoever is interviewing Paolo next PLEASE ensure that you let him know that its only a small minority who are saying things like "he should prove his quality with the players he has" many, many more see why he needs another 1 or 2 players, and we can't let a few have their views portrayed as the norm.

Another "fan" that can not stand for others to question PDC. I think you will find there is a lot more than "a small minority" I am a little worried about how many are starting to turn.

No its definitely a small minority.

Exmouth_red69 wrote:

Oi Den! wrote:
And so it goes on. If PDC wants us to accept that we need more players, what about a little humility from him, i.e. the recognition that he has signed players who are not up to the job? We have signed Williams, Collins and Rooney, to add to De Vita, Benson and Storey. Just one of those players is temporarily unavailable and we can't pick two from the other five?
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Or perhaps the problem is in midfield. Didn't we sign a few midfielders too?
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I am astonished that PDC can accuse our board and investors of a lack of ambition after all support he has been given. With the exception of the very rich Premier League clubs, I would think there is hardly a managerial position in the land where he would get such a spending advantage over most of his rivals. I bet Tranmere feel really sorry for us.

Of course your not anti paolo, you just like to criticise every time he makes a comment.

And go on and on and on!

I wasn't going to say any more on this but as you've addressed me directly I'll reply.
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If either of us had the time or inclination we could trawl back through old posts (and recent ones) and find plenty of positive comments from me on PDC. I always support the manager, whoever it is, unless and until he has had a fair crack of the whip and made a complete balls up of it. That is why I support PDC now. He has not made a complete balls up of it. He has done a great job of regenerating the football club. But I don't think that gives him the right to keep pointing the finger at a board and investors who have provided him with a lot more resources than most other managers are ever likely to get at this level.
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There seems to be this notion that we have to tread very carefully and not say what we think, for fear of being seen as negative or upsetting the manager. Strange that, when apparently it is OK for the manager to snipe at the most generous board in the clubs history and to go around promoting negativity by talking of relegation.
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It seems to me that some people think there can be no balanced discussion, no grey areas - you either have to be pro Paolo or against Paolo. Well, some of us are simply pro STFC. We support the club and the manager but we have minds of our own.
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Your very final point is noted and agreed.

Is phil spencer the agent of tranmere?
We could have had jervis but then again you didn't rate him. Have you watched Rooney play? I doubt it, did Moore let Bodin go?
Onwards and upwards

SAPFanSTFC wrote:
Oh and - as quoted: It like being on a project and told you have the option for an extra person I required - halfway through you realise that is needed and say can I have that extra person and you are then told no . Is that your fault? . ===. I had this EXACT situation on my current assignment which is why I've missed too many home games and unable to get to a lot of away games at the moment. ...BUT!!...I don't go around shouting about it after every issue is raised during the User Test Phase and had I done so I wouldn't be there any more, plus it certainly wouldn't have helped my reputation for project management and communications. --- After I let my feelings be known 'quietly' in an office and only to those that matter I then had to roll my sleeves up and work a bit harder whilst providing ongoing encouragement for the rest of the project team while they all work extra hard as well. --- Unusually for you - Not a good comparison on this occasion I'm afraid

To be fair though Sap, you do not have to provide post match interviews and try to keep many thousands of expectant football fans happy !

COYMR

Smirg - PdC didn't let Bodin go he offered him a 2 year deal - Bodin chose to go 2 different things - but hey lets not facts get in the way of things!
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We couldn't have got Jervis as we were under an embargo when his loan spell at Carlilse ended - before that we didn't need him as Williams was fit
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Ciclo - I heard he was injured so that is 6 if you want to play that game
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To be honest it doesn't really matter as 5 injured is still alot - that is over a 5th of squad!!!!
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Suspension still rob us of players so can't be discounted - yes it wouldn't matter much if we had all other 22 fit - but when you have 5 or 6 missing already another on top is another big blow
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I think it should be clear for all to see that if we were meant to operate with the 16 pros we had on Tuesday we would have a squad of 16 and not 23!
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Othewise why waste money on those extra bodies - as they are clearly not important as we should be coping with them missing apparently!

My understanding is that Town's budget for the season was 50% bigger than Tranmere's so it's somewhat bizarre for PDC to be claiming he's hard done by in comparison.

London Red wrote:
Exaxctly Wisley - I'm sure its no coincidence that Jay had absolute shocking game against Scunny! Based on that game he should be benched but PdC has no choice . Also some of those players are only just coming back from injury - so are not "back up to speed" - Troy who is not the player he was at present . Plus by playing the same 11 Sat-Tues-Sat-Tues-Sa t we run the risk of adding them to the list of injuries . Will someone please answer the simple question I have asked - how many injuries do we need to have before some it is not PdC moaning but an actual problem? . I will answer it and say 7 is a bl00dy crisis!

To be fair to the players as well, with no competition they may not go at 100% during training or games for the good of the team.

They know they have to pace themselves a bit to play a lot of games, also if they get injured the team will have to play youngsters or players out of position.

Personally I'd like to see Storey, L Thompson etc get their chance tomorrow.

I think some people under estimate the importance of Loan players to smaller clubs. Yes we have a decent budget and yes, some of it was used up paying off players that were okay for League 2 but not, in the opinion of the manager, for League 1. We could have kept these players for the remainder of their contracts and had them making up the numbers or we could pay them off (probably less than paying them for 12 months) and get (in theory) better players on board. We chose the latter.

Paolo has assembled a good squad (remember all the socks in Didcot ?) that could potentially push for a promotion place but has had to pay the going rate. As the season progresses injuries happen and weaknesses are identified. This is where the very cheap option of loans can assist either as cover (which we need now) or as a strengthening of a weakness. Unfortunately we are not in the position to exploit the loan option and it is, and will continue to, affect the performance of the team.

We should remember that there are a number of players with us that were originally on loan here. We did have many more but at least with the loan system you can see before you buy/sign.

A few have moaned about Rooney (jury still out for me as I don't believe I have seen him play enough to write him off and he has contributed 2 goals in what I suspect is little more than 3-4 matches in total) but we are unable to try someone out due to the embargo.

I sympathise with Paolo, whether continually refering to it is the correct way forward or not I don't know but will saying nothing resolve the problem quicker ?

COYMR

Oxon-Red wrote:

SAPFanSTFC wrote:
Oh and - as quoted: It like being on a project and told you have the option for an extra person I required - halfway through you realise that is needed and say can I have that extra person and you are then told no . Is that your fault? . ===. I had this EXACT situation on my current assignment which is why I've missed too many home games and unable to get to a lot of away games at the moment. ...BUT!!...I don't go around shouting about it after every issue is raised during the User Test Phase and had I done so I wouldn't be there any more, plus it certainly wouldn't have helped my reputation for project management and communications. --- After I let my feelings be known 'quietly' in an office and only to those that matter I then had to roll my sleeves up and work a bit harder whilst providing ongoing encouragement for the rest of the project team while they all work extra hard as well. --- Unusually for you - Not a good comparison on this occasion I'm afraid

To be fair though Sap, you do not have to provide post match interviews and try to keep many thousands of expectant football fans happy !

COYMR

...and where in LR's comment or main point did he mention giving interviews?it was purely a direct correlation with Project Management - we have enough people putting us down without having to put up with being compared with PDC - as much as I'm loving his unique stewardship he is NO project manager!!
...n.b. LR hasn't even responded to my main response regarding the general budget back in July.
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I would point out that normally I enjoy reading LR's comments as they are well informed and educational....even if we don't all agree with all of them...BUT!.. lately the embargo posts and this one are to my mind, WAY off the mark...and quite frankly insulting to my profession.
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Every job is different but he made the direct correlation with a project manager and whilst LR normally makes a decent argument (although I don't always agree) this one for me was a poor one.....on the back of several weak ones regarding the embargo and

London Red wrote:
Smirg - PdC didn't let Bodin go he offered him a 2 year deal - Bodin chose to go 2 different things - but hey lets not facts get in the way of things!
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We couldn't have got Jervis as we were under an embargo when his loan spell at Carlilse ended - before that we didn't need him as Williams was fit
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Ciclo - I heard he was injured so that is 6 if you want to play that game
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To be honest it doesn't really matter as 5 injured is still alot - that is over a 5th of squad!!!!
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Suspension still rob us of players so can't be discounted - yes it wouldn't matter much if we had all other 22 fit - but when you have 5 or 6 missing already another on top is another big blow
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I think it should be clear for all to see that if we were meant to operate with the 16 pros we had on Tuesday we would have a squad of 16 and not 23!
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Othewise why waste money on those extra bodies - as they are clearly not important as we should be coping with them missing apparently!

You are evading the issue LR. It is not a question of how many are are missing. It is a question of how many are available. If we had a squad of 40 players and 24 were missing, we would still have 16 to choose from. The situation would be no worse. And I think if we can field 11 players and still have Ritchie, Bostock and Ward on the bench in what is, after all, only a temporary situation, we hardly have a crisis on our hands.

SAP - Im not going into any debate on project management - you don't like the comparison fine - but I'm not going to debate it
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That's true Den that you can up the numbers on both to get back to 16 - but what are the chances of 24 injuries at the same time - slim to none so a. It of a pointless debate
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Yes we had Ward on the bench - but how does that help us up front?
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Ritchie was there for a reason - he needs a rest due to he Sat-Tues-Sat-Tues sequence we are going through
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Ok at least we no know you will not see it as an injury crisis until we only have 10 fit as long as we can put out any old XI even if in the wrong position PdC can't complain as he "has enough available"

SeanG92 wrote:
Wilesy - very, very good point there. Another example is the fact we only have 2 central mid's currently. why should they give 100% when they are guaranteed a place every week?

(well actually there are lots of reasons why they should, but of course they wont)

We played almost the entirety of the 09/10 season with only 2 central midfielders of note. Jonny Douglas won player of the year and Si Ferry wasn't far behind.

Also, John Bostock is a central midfielder so we have 3 fit at the moment.

I reckon in midfield we have Bostock, Ferry, Miller, McCormack, LThompson (at a push)
Up front we have Collins, Benson, De Vita, Storey, Rooney plus Bostock (at a push)
In central defence we have Ward, Archie, McCormack, Flint, Devera.
I think we are OK franky in the spine its out wide where we are short. Ritchie, Roberts, McEverly - thats it!
Rooney L back next week.

For me its an opportunity to change the shape a little - broaden the spine of the team - keep it tight and bring in the flair players later in the game.

SAPFanSTFC wrote:

London Red wrote: Not to mention the fact they have all missed the point that PdC did NOT blow the entire budget in August . He had about £150k spare to allow him to dip into the loan market to cover injuries (Tranmere signed another forward yesterday to cover by the way) . This was then taken away from him and since then we have suffered a ridiculous amount of injuries - not even Man U could cope with 7 out at once . The board CAN remove the embargo by either buying new shares or converting existing loans (£1.4m sit on the balance sheet) into equity - that's just the club - more exist in the holding company! . PdC then gets his spare budget back and can cover the injuries with loans . It like being on a project and told you have the option for an extra person I required - halfway through you realise that is needed and say can I have that extra person and you are then told no . Is that your fault?

Just one point of note/question here LR: If he had £150K left over but the club knew they were going to the panel for Collins and Troy SURELY!!...someone knew that they were going to have to spend most of that on the two players. --- I seem to remember Wray saying he thought we got Collins for less than expected and Troy's price was as expected. --- Given that knowledge someone knew that the money would be gone - even if they only had to front up 50% of the fees. ===. I wouldn't expect Paolo to know the ins and outs of this but surely there would have been some investigation/budget discussions in which they would have budgeted for some significant outlay in August/September/Oct ober. ---. I don't see that there would have been too much left over by now if I'm being honest.

I wonder if this is the FIRST TIME the tribunal pannal has made a club pay straight away for 2 players.
!!!!!!! NO I DINT THINK SO...

London Red wrote:
Smirg - PdC didn't let Bodin go he offered him a 2 year deal - Bodin chose to go 2 different things - but hey lets not facts get in the way of things! . We couldn't have got Jervis as we were under an embargo when his loan spell at Carlilse ended - before that we didn't need him as Williams was fit . Ciclo - I heard he was injured so that is 6 if you want to play that game . To be honest it doesn't really matter as 5 injured is still alot - that is over a 5th of squad!!!! . Suspension still rob us of players so can't be discounted - yes it wouldn't matter much if we had all other 22 fit - but when you have 5 or 6 missing already another on top is another big blow . I think it should be clear for all to see that if we were meant to operate with the 16 pros we had on Tuesday we would have a squad of 16 and not 23! . Othewise why waste money on those extra bodies - as they are clearly not important as we should be coping with them missing apparently!

I think we all understand that you agree with Paolo 100% and thats your right...

BUT WHY DO YOU HAVE TO WRIGHT A BOOK EVERY TIME YOU QUOTE

Have you bothered to research that Romain - or doing your normal spout it out whether it is right or usually For you completely wrong?
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If it was the norm don't you think the board would have expected it?

London Red wrote:
SAP - Im not going into any debate on project management - you don't like the comparison fine - but I'm not going to debate it
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That's true Den that you can up the numbers on both to get back to 16 - but what are the chances of 24 injuries at the same time - slim to none so a. It of a pointless debate
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Yes we had Ward on the bench - but how does that help us up front?
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Ritchie was there for a reason - he needs a rest due to he Sat-Tues-Sat-Tues sequence we are going through
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Ok at least we no know you will not see it as an injury crisis until we only have 10 fit as long as we can put out any old XI even if in the wrong position PdC can't complain as he "has enough available"

LR, your second paragraph confirms exactly what I was trying to say. It is pointless going on about what proportion of the squad is unavailable. It is what you have available that matters.
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If I really thought we had an injury crisis I wouldn't hesitate to say so. You want to concentrate on the strike force. OK - we have Collins, Rooney, De Vita, Benson, Williams and Storey - 6 strikers. A couple of short-term absences and we have such a crisis that we need to rush out and sign another? If that's what football has come to, I'm not even sure I understand it any more.
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The whole thing is a gross exaggeration, just like your misrepresentation of my point.

By the way chaps, I should have mentioned before that zznewyork's ashes were buried behind the goal at the Town End in a family ceremony on a Tuesday afternoon a few weeks ago.

London Red wrote:
Have you bothered to research that Romain - or doing your normal spout it out whether it is right or usually For you completely wrong? . If it was the norm don't you think the board would have expected it?

So your TRYING 2 say that the FA TRIBUNAL PANEL have never told a club to pay up straight away for the players that are playing for your club....

And how comes you never quotes Vic Morgam when he came out with his facts ??...

Or the Tranmera fan that said Paolo was a very lucky manager and was wrong about how long it took them to sigh a player....

The botton line of every debate on here is we are in a embargo
SIMPLE AS THAT....
It dont matter whos fault it is or why as the FA set a 65% rule END OF..

MONEY BILLS AND WAGES has been hit big time since 2008..
Do we start crying, we have a moan yes BUT WE ALL GET UP EVERYDAY AND CARRY ON 2 THE BEST YOU CAN..
IF YOU DONT YOU GET SACKED

Oi Den! wrote:
By the way chaps, I should have mentioned before that zznewyork's ashes were buried behind the goal at the Town End in a family ceremony on a Tuesday afternoon a few weeks ago.

Cheers Den.


R.I P. ZZ, .

the wizard wrote:

Oi Den! wrote:
By the way chaps, I should have mentioned before that zznewyork's ashes were buried behind the goal at the Town End in a family ceremony on a Tuesday afternoon a few weeks ago.

Cheers Den.


R.I P. ZZ, .

Sobering thought when we're all ranting on here. Thanks Den. Very sad.

southside7 wrote:

the wizard wrote:

Oi Den! wrote: By the way chaps, I should have mentioned before that zznewyork's ashes were buried behind the goal at the Town End in a family ceremony on a Tuesday afternoon a few weeks ago.

Cheers Den. R.I P. ZZ, .

Sobering thought when we're all ranting on here. Thanks Den. Very sad.

Sad news, didn't know him apart from his posts on here but did strangely recall his handle after one of the response to a post today.

Hope his presence see us score the winning goals on Tuesday in front of a packed Town End.

RIP

London Red wrote:
SAP - Im not going into any debate on project management - you don't like the comparison fine - but I'm not going to debate it
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That's true Den that you can up the numbers on both to get back to 16 - but what are the chances of 24 injuries at the same time - slim to none so a. It of a pointless debate
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Yes we had Ward on the bench - but how does that help us up front?
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Ritchie was there for a reason - he needs a rest due to he Sat-Tues-Sat-Tues sequence we are going through
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Ok at least we no know you will not see it as an injury crisis until we only have 10 fit as long as we can put out any old XI even if in the wrong position PdC can't complain as he "has enough available"

So you raise a totally irrelevant comparison and then decide not to admit it was a bit off the mark!?...I truly hope you don't manage people like that.
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Or maybe you prefer shout and stomp?

SAPFanSTFC wrote:

London Red wrote:
SAP - Im not going into any debate on project management - you don't like the comparison fine - but I'm not going to debate it
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That's true Den that you can up the numbers on both to get back to 16 - but what are the chances of 24 injuries at the same time - slim to none so a. It of a pointless debate
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Yes we had Ward on the bench - but how does that help us up front?
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Ritchie was there for a reason - he needs a rest due to he Sat-Tues-Sat-Tues sequence we are going through
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Ok at least we no know you will not see it as an injury crisis until we only have 10 fit as long as we can put out any old XI even if in the wrong position PdC can't complain as he "has enough available"

So you raise a totally irrelevant comparison and then decide not to admit it was a bit off the mark!?...I truly hope you don't manage people like that.
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Or maybe you prefer shout and stomp?

Also noted that you didn't have any real answer for the budgeting point - you deal with budgets every day of the week yet you excuse these guys?
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Love the ZZNewYork touch - like others only knew him from on here but a true passionate Town fan....make sure you protect the near post ZZ* and maybe we can all have another 1969?
Really nice knowing you and true respect for someone like you!