Di Canio keen to keep goalscorer Storey in check (From Swindon Advertiser)

E ce says...
6:11am Mon 29 Oct 12

I loved the way that, last year, Stevenage's youth team coach told Storey he would be working in Macca's in a years time... Good on the lad

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bowralbob says...
6:15am Mon 29 Oct 12

Surely Miles Storey has earned the right to have more starts?

PDC please give him the chance to prove how good he really is.

I remember a very young Swindon team in 1960's who could beat just about any team. I know times have changed, but not that much.

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mallorca says...
6:55am Mon 29 Oct 12

yes a touch of classwho know'scould be another Paul Rideout??? recall him on his debut against Hull City.
Needsto be encouraged and given a chance.

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the wizard says...
6:59am Mon 29 Oct 12

Home grown, 1appearance = 1 goal + 1assist,

Now sorry, but get Messrs Williams and Collins into that mind set please, and this season could take off with a bang.

Well done Miles, you had your chance and took it, with aplomb.

Now Mr Manager tell us those stats again, music to our ears, played 1, scored 1 plus 1 assist and he was only on for 60 minutes. Now tell us why he hasn't been played before, please.

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Last step says...
7:10am Mon 29 Oct 12

What did his hair look like before, then?!

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Another view says...
8:06am Mon 29 Oct 12

"Di Canio: Why can't you do that every week?"

- Maybe something to do with, Paolo. You've used lots of players already, so the one common denominator is you. And the fact you took the pressure off them for a change maybe helped?

We all know you're learning the job, Paolo, and that means making mistakes, but why should the players be the one to get a blasting when things don't go quite right?

Most of us are convinced you'll be taking us up again, maybe even this season, but we're not going to call for your head if it takes a bit longer - especially if we get to see more of Saturday's form along the way!

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Robinonfire says...
8:22am Mon 29 Oct 12

Miles by far for me....... Hopefully the new Charlie Austin - goal a game.

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SAPFanSTFC says...
8:35am Mon 29 Oct 12

Last step wrote:
What did his hair look like before, then?!

Don't ask! :-)
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PDC say's:
“They give you a lot in one game and then they can forget for four or five games how to play."
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Please let's give him those extra 4 or 5 and see IF he does forget - yes take it steady and build him up properly but don't judge every player by those in the past - Miles is his own man and I believe could be a revelation as a home grown player in this league.
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A perfect foil for Benson or Collins in my book....now sure if having the pace in both Williams AND Storey would help as our midfield would still be in their own half when these two get to the 18 yard area....would scare the pants off most teams though.

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Chish and Fips says...
8:44am Mon 29 Oct 12

Great for Miles he took his chance and showed by all accounts that he may be one for the future.

I'm also pleased that John B showed what he can add to the side - but also feel for him as he will now be out injured. I wasn't there but the highlights suggested he seemed to be involved with each goal, which does make me think he made all the difference last Saturday.

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London Red says...
8:58am Mon 29 Oct 12

It's not technically a goal a game as he has come off the bench before both this year and last
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Most seem to have not taken note of PdC words with comparisons to Rideout and Austin
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Let's remember he is only 18 and only been a pro for a few months so should be expected to be our "main man"
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These comparison will lead to expectations of 20+ goals this year
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He will blow hot and cold - as that is what 18 year olds do - so he will need to be nurtured in
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So if he returns to the bench tomorrow (which I expect him too) we shouldn't moan and understand it is probably best for him in the long run
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Remember Jukebox never played every week at this age for us but now at 22/23 is a proven Championship player worth over £1m

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London Red says...
8:59am Mon 29 Oct 12

Shouldn't even

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RobinsTalk says...
9:06am Mon 29 Oct 12

I think Paolo is taking the right approach with Storey, keep him grounded and help him mature and improve rather than pile too much pressure on him.

Time and again we hear about these young players being touted as the next Rooney, Ronaldo, Pele or whoever and too much is expected of them and sadly they don't reach anywhere near the level they could have if they were handled differently.
Look at how Moyles handled Rooney when he made his impact on the Prem, he didn't play him too much and he tried to shield him from too much adulation. I think a different manager could have possibly ruined his career before it even started.
Take a certain Mr Austin, not quite the same as he wasn't as young and he's certainly doing well for himself now but, under Paolo he might not have become quite the big time Charlie that he was under Wilson and if some of the off field antics we heard about are correct he could become another victim of his own success without the right manager to keep him in check.

Miles Storey really has a bright future ahead of him as long as he is nurtured in the right way and think Paolo is the right man to do it.

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SeanG92 says...
9:12am Mon 29 Oct 12

It was fantastic for Storey to play so well and get the goal at the weekend! As Paolo says he can improve a lot still, and if you could pick anyone to teach a promising young striker the tricks of the trade, I'm pretty sure Paolo would be very near the top of that list!

The future could be very bright for Storey as long as he keeps his head down and works hard, doesn't get carried away, and listens to the very good strikers he has around him at the moment!

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SAPFanSTFC says...
9:12am Mon 29 Oct 12

London Red wrote:
It's not technically a goal a game as he has come off the bench before both this year and last
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Most seem to have not taken note of PdC words with comparisons to Rideout and Austin
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Let's remember he is only 18 and only been a pro for a few months so should be expected to be our "main man"
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These comparison will lead to expectations of 20+ goals this year
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He will blow hot and cold - as that is what 18 year olds do - so he will need to be nurtured in
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So if he returns to the bench tomorrow (which I expect him too) we shouldn't moan and understand it is probably best for him in the long run
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Remember Jukebox never played every week at this age for us but now at 22/23 is a proven Championship player worth over £1m

I don't think anyone is expecting him to be a 20 goal a year striker in his first season but if he can contribute to a game such as he did on Saturday then he should be starting every 2 - 3 games and coming off the bench regularly.
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As I said above let's give him a bit of a run and not pre-judge him as he can tire players out with his pace, or take on tired players later in the game.
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I'm just glad he has proved his doubters and the ultra-cautious wrong...as he'll continue to do given the chance.

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Dover Red says...
9:15am Mon 29 Oct 12

the wizard wrote:
Home grown, 1appearance = 1 goal + 1assist,

Now sorry, but get Messrs Williams and Collins into that mind set please, and this season could take off with a bang.

Well done Miles, you had your chance and took it, with aplomb.

Now Mr Manager tell us those stats again, music to our ears, played 1, scored 1 plus 1 assist and he was only on for 60 minutes. Now tell us why he hasn't been played before, please.

Cos he wasnt ready ?If he had played a stinker we would be moaning, the manager is the boss, he says when the players ready and surely we have to go along with that ?

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MarksDad says...
9:24am Mon 29 Oct 12

So once again the self appointed '
managers' here know best how to develop a young talent.

Not sure why we appointed a former top notch striker as manager when so many of you can obviously do the job so much better!

Why do you spend your time looking for negatives all the time, sad bunch.

And please don't come back with 'We are entitled to our opinion', cos most of us are fed up with you all.

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SeanG92 says...
9:33am Mon 29 Oct 12

MarksDad wrote:
So once again the self appointed '
managers' here know best how to develop a young talent.

Not sure why we appointed a former top notch striker as manager when so many of you can obviously do the job so much better!

Why do you spend your time looking for negatives all the time, sad bunch.

And please don't come back with 'We are entitled to our opinion', cos most of us are fed up with you all.

Agreed!

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Davidsyrett says...
9:37am Mon 29 Oct 12

I thought the saying was if your good enough your old enough. I think Storey should be given a few games and see how he develops. Williams is injured and Benno looks like he's struggling for pace this season. Storey's pace would scare any defence including Villa's, I'd certainly like to see him have a 20 min cameo against them even if he doesn't start.

Oh Marks Dad, this is a forum for peoples view's and yes we are all entitled to our opinions whether you like it or not, If your happy to agree with everything that goes on with the football club then why read the comments?

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SeanG92 says...
9:54am Mon 29 Oct 12

David- Yes everyone is entitled to their opinions and that's absolutely fine. But its the people that seem intent on finding faults so they have something to complain about even after we have humped 2nd place 4-0!!

Be happy ffs, we won, Storey got 60 mins and played well, and we have a huge match against Villa tomorrow! What is there to compain about?

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the wizard says...
9:58am Mon 29 Oct 12

Dover Red wrote:

the wizard wrote:
Home grown, 1appearance = 1 goal + 1assist,

Now sorry, but get Messrs Williams and Collins into that mind set please, and this season could take off with a bang.

Well done Miles, you had your chance and took it, with aplomb.

Now Mr Manager tell us those stats again, music to our ears, played 1, scored 1 plus 1 assist and he was only on for 60 minutes. Now tell us why he hasn't been played before, please.
Cos he wasnt ready ?If he had played a stinker we would be moaning, the manager is the boss, he says when the players ready and surely we have to go along with that ?

How about, we were pushed into a corner and had not much choice. Same as with Thompson, didn't have much choice so played him. No, neither are the finished article, but how much longer would they have sat in the back ground if injuries hadn't pushed them to the front. Quite a while probably, and as the season went on less and less chance because of further players incoming probably in January., then if promotion comes along they would be let go as "not good enough for the CCC", which they are probably not, but will be better prepared if they get games now.

Sorry to disappoint, but yes I think we have a decent manager, but no, I don't agree with everything he says and does, why, because after watching this lot for way over fifty years, along with a few others, we've seen a lot of this before. He may have been a good striker, he may have got us promoted last season, BUT , because he is human, he still fluffs up like we all do, and his PR needs work, he is not yet an experienced manager.

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SeanG92 says...
10:05am Mon 29 Oct 12

the wizard wrote:

Dover Red wrote:

the wizard wrote:
Home grown, 1appearance = 1 goal + 1assist,

Now sorry, but get Messrs Williams and Collins into that mind set please, and this season could take off with a bang.

Well done Miles, you had your chance and took it, with aplomb.

Now Mr Manager tell us those stats again, music to our ears, played 1, scored 1 plus 1 assist and he was only on for 60 minutes. Now tell us why he hasn't been played before, please.
Cos he wasnt ready ?If he had played a stinker we would be moaning, the manager is the boss, he says when the players ready and surely we have to go along with that ?
How about, we were pushed into a corner and had not much choice. Same as with Thompson, didn't have much choice so played him. No, neither are the finished article, but how much longer would they have sat in the back ground if injuries hadn't pushed them to the front. Quite a while probably, and as the season went on less and less chance because of further players incoming probably in January., then if promotion comes along they would be let go as "not good enough for the CCC", which they are probably not, but will be better prepared if they get games now.

Sorry to disappoint, but yes I think we have a decent manager, but no, I don't agree with everything he says and does, why, because after watching this lot for way over fifty years, along with a few others, we've seen a lot of this before. He may have been a good striker, he may have got us promoted last season, BUT , because he is human, he still fluffs up like we all do, and his PR needs work, he is not yet an experienced manager.

Ah come on thats not fair! We had both Rooney and Collins who could have played ahead of Storey! Yet Paolo picked Storey!

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MarksDad says...
10:20am Mon 29 Oct 12

I don't agree with everything the manager does, I do agree that if your good enough your old enough.

After nearly 50 years of supporting the town I have seen good and bad managers. This one appears to know what he wants and makes a 100% effort to get it. Right or wrong he obviously has an ability/skill that is working yet the negs on here still find something to moan about.

I understand forums are there for the flow of discussions and opinions however the usual mob here are always trying to find fault and I along with what is usually referred to as the silent majority are fed up with it.

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the wizard says...
10:27am Mon 29 Oct 12

Agreed Sean, very much so, and they have, and have also returned little despite their superior experience, and game time. On this occasion given how the normal faces have failed to convert so many chances in so many games it was right to play Storey. Collins who I think is a darn good player has missed more chances than I want to remember, and Rooney until now has hardly inspired any confidence at all. The gelling argument does not stand up as Storey walked straight in. He just got himself revved up and went for it, perhaps he could show some of the others how it is done.
By the way, this isn't supposed to come across as a rant, sorry if it does, I normal agree with a large percentage of your views. Cheers.

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fredi says...
10:32am Mon 29 Oct 12

Joni Mitchell's "Big Yellow Taxi" - "Don't it always seem to go
That you don't know what you've got
'Til it's gone"

Sadly I fear it will be too late before many on here realise this with di Canio. Add Stevenage away to Stoke away, Northampton away, Huddersfield at home, Wigan at home, Port Vale at home, Brighton at home, Burnley at home and already I have truly great memories from Paolo's short regime to date. As a fan I just want to add more of the same, starting tomorrow....I dread the day he leaves and Mr anonymous from the managerial scrap heap takes over.

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Davidsyrett says...
10:59am Mon 29 Oct 12

I don't think there's many hardcore fans on here wanting PdC to leave the club, the complete opposite in most cases, myself included. We've had some great memories as fredi pointed out. My concern is that the more PdC has digs at the board over embargo's etc, the more likely it is that the board will lose patience with him. I just want PdC to rein it in a bit and concentrate on the football side of things. I really believe that with PdC here for a few more years we can become a very good championship side & who knows what after that. I also believe the players we have already can get us promotion without necessarily added loan players if we are unable to. As for Storey, as I said, I think he's worth a go, my opinion, that's all.

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SAPFanSTFC says...
11:23am Mon 29 Oct 12

Davidsyrett wrote:
I don't think there's many hardcore fans on here wanting PdC to leave the club, the complete opposite in most cases, myself included. We've had some great memories as fredi pointed out. My concern is that the more PdC has digs at the board over embargo's etc, the more likely it is that the board will lose patience with him. I just want PdC to rein it in a bit and concentrate on the football side of things. I really believe that with PdC here for a few more years we can become a very good championship side & who knows what after that. I also believe the players we have already can get us promotion without necessarily added loan players if we are unable to. As for Storey, as I said, I think he's worth a go, my opinion, that's all.

I'll echo every bit of that!
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...and as I've mentioned above - why not give the lad a chance with a start every 2 - 3 games - use his pace.
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Paolo knows how to develop him as is clearly the case but I do sense that Paolo is nervous to experiment with the youth after last year's Foreign Legion error.
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PDC to stay as he's the best thing that's happened to us for years but please just count to 100 before making a comment / answering a question, may be a bit boring but it'll give him time to think! :-)
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31 hours to go!!

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Oi Den! says...
12:02pm Mon 29 Oct 12

Dover Red wrote:

the wizard wrote:
Home grown, 1appearance = 1 goal + 1assist,

Now sorry, but get Messrs Williams and Collins into that mind set please, and this season could take off with a bang.

Well done Miles, you had your chance and took it, with aplomb.

Now Mr Manager tell us those stats again, music to our ears, played 1, scored 1 plus 1 assist and he was only on for 60 minutes. Now tell us why he hasn't been played before, please.
Cos he wasnt ready ?If he had played a stinker we would be moaning, the manager is the boss, he says when the players ready and surely we have to go along with that ?

Completely agree with you Dover. It's all very well saying "give youth a chance" but they have to be good enough and they have to be ready. If they're blooded before they are ready, I don't think it does anyone any favours.
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And Wiz, as LR says you can hardly make a case in hindsight for a player based on his performance in one game. Maybe he played well and got his goal because Saturday was exactly the right time to give him his first start?

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Oi Den! says...
12:09pm Mon 29 Oct 12

I see PDC is now 6/4 on to be the next Southampton manager. That seems an incredible price, when there is not even a vacancy. The bookies must have heard something to make them so sure. After all, it's hardly in their interests to deter people for no reason from having a bet with them.

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the wizard says...
12:13pm Mon 29 Oct 12

Oi Den! wrote:

Dover Red wrote:

the wizard wrote:
Home grown, 1appearance = 1 goal + 1assist,

Now sorry, but get Messrs Williams and Collins into that mind set please, and this season could take off with a bang.

Well done Miles, you had your chance and took it, with aplomb.

Now Mr Manager tell us those stats again, music to our ears, played 1, scored 1 plus 1 assist and he was only on for 60 minutes. Now tell us why he hasn't been played before, please.
Cos he wasnt ready ?If he had played a stinker we would be moaning, the manager is the boss, he says when the players ready and surely we have to go along with that ?
Completely agree with you Dover. It's all very well saying "give youth a chance" but they have to be good enough and they have to be ready. If they're blooded before they are ready, I don't think it does anyone any favours.
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And Wiz, as LR says you can hardly make a case in hindsight for a player based on his performance in one game. Maybe he played well and got his goal because Saturday was exactly the right time to give him his first start?

Den,

How about this, if our manager had got his way, the embargo lifted, more players brought in, would Miles have got his start, tbh, I doubt it.

We wont know how long he has been ready, but the circumstances around injuries etc to a point forced the managers hand, and the lad got played, and a good job too.

In addition to his goal and assist he was well and truly up for it, which is more than many of the team have been over recent weeks. Many on here have commented about the disposition of some players, so maybe the time was right, but if new players had arrived would he have got the chance. That we will never know, but surely a player becomes "right" over a period of time, not a period of days.

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the don69 says...
12:28pm Mon 29 Oct 12

Oi Den! wrote:
I see PDC is now 6/4 on to be the next Southampton manager. That seems an incredible price, when there is not even a vacancy. The bookies must have heard something to make them so sure. After all, it's hardly in their interests to deter people for no reason from having a bet with them.

I've heard from a Saints fan Den,that the player's like a little drink at Southampton!maybe they want Paolo to blow in like Hurricane Sandy and sort them all out!(hope not)but with the bookies offering such short odds I wonder if someone's in the know???????

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Oi Den! says...
12:30pm Mon 29 Oct 12

the wizard wrote:

Oi Den! wrote:

Dover Red wrote:

the wizard wrote:
Home grown, 1appearance = 1 goal + 1assist,

Now sorry, but get Messrs Williams and Collins into that mind set please, and this season could take off with a bang.

Well done Miles, you had your chance and took it, with aplomb.

Now Mr Manager tell us those stats again, music to our ears, played 1, scored 1 plus 1 assist and he was only on for 60 minutes. Now tell us why he hasn't been played before, please.
Cos he wasnt ready ?If he had played a stinker we would be moaning, the manager is the boss, he says when the players ready and surely we have to go along with that ?
Completely agree with you Dover. It's all very well saying "give youth a chance" but they have to be good enough and they have to be ready. If they're blooded before they are ready, I don't think it does anyone any favours.
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And Wiz, as LR says you can hardly make a case in hindsight for a player based on his performance in one game. Maybe he played well and got his goal because Saturday was exactly the right time to give him his first start?
Den,

How about this, if our manager had got his way, the embargo lifted, more players brought in, would Miles have got his start, tbh, I doubt it.

We wont know how long he has been ready, but the circumstances around injuries etc to a point forced the managers hand, and the lad got played, and a good job too.

In addition to his goal and assist he was well and truly up for it, which is more than many of the team have been over recent weeks. Many on here have commented about the disposition of some players, so maybe the time was right, but if new players had arrived would he have got the chance. That we will never know, but surely a player becomes "right" over a period of time, not a period of days.

Good post Wiz. I take your point entirely about PDC and the embargo. It's very likely that Storey wouldn't have got a look in if PDC had been able to sign another forward.

[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dover Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: Home grown, 1appearance = 1 goal + 1assist, Now sorry, but get Messrs Williams and Collins into that mind set please, and this season could take off with a bang. Well done Miles, you had your chance and took it, with aplomb. Now Mr Manager tell us those stats again, music to our ears, played 1, scored 1 plus 1 assist and he was only on for 60 minutes. Now tell us why he hasn't been played before, please.[/p][/quote]Cos he wasnt ready ?If he had played a stinker we would be moaning, the manager is the boss, he says when the players ready and surely we have to go along with that ?[/p][/quote]Completely agree with you Dover. It's all very well saying "give youth a chance" but they have to be good enough and they have to be ready. If they're blooded before they are ready, I don't think it does anyone any favours. . And Wiz, as LR says you can hardly make a case in hindsight for a player based on his performance in one game. Maybe he played well and got his goal because Saturday was exactly the right time to give him his first start?[/p][/quote]Den, How about this, if our manager had got his way, the embargo lifted, more players brought in, would Miles have got his start, tbh, I doubt it. We wont know how long he has been ready, but the circumstances around injuries etc to a point forced the managers hand, and the lad got played, and a good job too. In addition to his goal and assist he was well and truly up for it, which is more than many of the team have been over recent weeks. Many on here have commented about the disposition of some players, so maybe the time was right, but if new players had arrived would he have got the chance. That we will never know, but surely a player becomes "right" over a period of time, not a period of days.[/p][/quote]Good post Wiz. I take your point entirely about PDC and the embargo. It's very likely that Storey wouldn't have got a look in if PDC had been able to sign another forward. Oi Den!

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Malkym says...
12:40pm Mon 29 Oct 12

Dover Red wrote:

the wizard wrote: Home grown, 1appearance = 1 goal + 1assist, Now sorry, but get Messrs Williams and Collins into that mind set please, and this season could take off with a bang. Well done Miles, you had your chance and took it, with aplomb. Now Mr Manager tell us those stats again, music to our ears, played 1, scored 1 plus 1 assist and he was only on for 60 minutes. Now tell us why he hasn't been played before, please.
Cos he wasnt ready ?If he had played a stinker we would be moaning, the manager is the boss, he says when the players ready and surely we have to go along with that ?

Absolutely right Dover Red -saves me posting the same response. its not rocket science to work that one out. Unfortunately there are one or two on here who seem to have developed a "lets have a go at PdC" mentality for the sake of it. Paolo brings Storey in the lad does well and we get " now tell us why etc"

Well if Den's observation proves to be an astute one, and let's face it bookies don't get it wrong often, and Paolo does becomes the Saints next boss then the knockers (and I'm not talking Jordan here) will have reaped their reward. FFS! give the guy a break let him manage, pick players, and blood them when he thinks they are ready.

And - as regards the remark "would he have got a chance if there'd been no embargo etc"- sure he would -when Paolo felt the time was right.

Will he feature tomorrow night? Not from the start, experienced and wisened heads to start, but maybe later in the game if things are going well :)

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Dover Red says...
12:41pm Mon 29 Oct 12

Oi Den! wrote:

the wizard wrote:

Oi Den! wrote:

Dover Red wrote:

the wizard wrote:
Home grown, 1appearance = 1 goal + 1assist,

Now sorry, but get Messrs Williams and Collins into that mind set please, and this season could take off with a bang.

Well done Miles, you had your chance and took it, with aplomb.

Now Mr Manager tell us those stats again, music to our ears, played 1, scored 1 plus 1 assist and he was only on for 60 minutes. Now tell us why he hasn't been played before, please.
Cos he wasnt ready ?If he had played a stinker we would be moaning, the manager is the boss, he says when the players ready and surely we have to go along with that ?
Completely agree with you Dover. It's all very well saying "give youth a chance" but they have to be good enough and they have to be ready. If they're blooded before they are ready, I don't think it does anyone any favours.
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And Wiz, as LR says you can hardly make a case in hindsight for a player based on his performance in one game. Maybe he played well and got his goal because Saturday was exactly the right time to give him his first start?
Den,

How about this, if our manager had got his way, the embargo lifted, more players brought in, would Miles have got his start, tbh, I doubt it.

We wont know how long he has been ready, but the circumstances around injuries etc to a point forced the managers hand, and the lad got played, and a good job too.

In addition to his goal and assist he was well and truly up for it, which is more than many of the team have been over recent weeks. Many on here have commented about the disposition of some players, so maybe the time was right, but if new players had arrived would he have got the chance. That we will never know, but surely a player becomes "right" over a period of time, not a period of days.
Good post Wiz. I take your point entirely about PDC and the embargo. It's very likely that Storey wouldn't have got a look in if PDC had been able to sign another forward.

Seems to me PDC is at times 'dammed if he does, dammed if he doesnt', often no matter what he does he seems to be at some sort of fault. Hindsight is a dangerous game to play, we can make a case for anything based on the IF word !

[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dover Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: Home grown, 1appearance = 1 goal + 1assist, Now sorry, but get Messrs Williams and Collins into that mind set please, and this season could take off with a bang. Well done Miles, you had your chance and took it, with aplomb. Now Mr Manager tell us those stats again, music to our ears, played 1, scored 1 plus 1 assist and he was only on for 60 minutes. Now tell us why he hasn't been played before, please.[/p][/quote]Cos he wasnt ready ?If he had played a stinker we would be moaning, the manager is the boss, he says when the players ready and surely we have to go along with that ?[/p][/quote]Completely agree with you Dover. It's all very well saying "give youth a chance" but they have to be good enough and they have to be ready. If they're blooded before they are ready, I don't think it does anyone any favours. . And Wiz, as LR says you can hardly make a case in hindsight for a player based on his performance in one game. Maybe he played well and got his goal because Saturday was exactly the right time to give him his first start?[/p][/quote]Den, How about this, if our manager had got his way, the embargo lifted, more players brought in, would Miles have got his start, tbh, I doubt it. We wont know how long he has been ready, but the circumstances around injuries etc to a point forced the managers hand, and the lad got played, and a good job too. In addition to his goal and assist he was well and truly up for it, which is more than many of the team have been over recent weeks. Many on here have commented about the disposition of some players, so maybe the time was right, but if new players had arrived would he have got the chance. That we will never know, but surely a player becomes "right" over a period of time, not a period of days.[/p][/quote]Good post Wiz. I take your point entirely about PDC and the embargo. It's very likely that Storey wouldn't have got a look in if PDC had been able to sign another forward.[/p][/quote]Seems to me PDC is at times 'dammed if he does, dammed if he doesnt', often no matter what he does he seems to be at some sort of fault. Hindsight is a dangerous game to play, we can make a case for anything based on the IF word ! Dover Red

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Malkym says...
12:46pm Mon 29 Oct 12

fredi wrote:
Joni Mitchell's "Big Yellow Taxi" - "Don't it always seem to go That you don't know what you've got 'Til it's gone" Sadly I fear it will be too late before many on here realise this with di Canio. Add Stevenage away to Stoke away, Northampton away, Huddersfield at home, Wigan at home, Port Vale at home, Brighton at home, Burnley at home and already I have truly great memories from Paolo's short regime to date. As a fan I just want to add more of the same, starting tomorrow....I dread the day he leaves and Mr anonymous from the managerial scrap heap takes over.

With you there Fredi boy - the unemployed dross that is left to pick from doesn't bear thinking about!

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Oi Den! says...
12:58pm Mon 29 Oct 12

Dover Red wrote:

Oi Den! wrote:

the wizard wrote:

Oi Den! wrote:

Dover Red wrote:

the wizard wrote:
Home grown, 1appearance = 1 goal + 1assist,

Now sorry, but get Messrs Williams and Collins into that mind set please, and this season could take off with a bang.

Well done Miles, you had your chance and took it, with aplomb.

Now Mr Manager tell us those stats again, music to our ears, played 1, scored 1 plus 1 assist and he was only on for 60 minutes. Now tell us why he hasn't been played before, please.
Cos he wasnt ready ?If he had played a stinker we would be moaning, the manager is the boss, he says when the players ready and surely we have to go along with that ?
Completely agree with you Dover. It's all very well saying "give youth a chance" but they have to be good enough and they have to be ready. If they're blooded before they are ready, I don't think it does anyone any favours.
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And Wiz, as LR says you can hardly make a case in hindsight for a player based on his performance in one game. Maybe he played well and got his goal because Saturday was exactly the right time to give him his first start?
Den,

How about this, if our manager had got his way, the embargo lifted, more players brought in, would Miles have got his start, tbh, I doubt it.

We wont know how long he has been ready, but the circumstances around injuries etc to a point forced the managers hand, and the lad got played, and a good job too.

In addition to his goal and assist he was well and truly up for it, which is more than many of the team have been over recent weeks. Many on here have commented about the disposition of some players, so maybe the time was right, but if new players had arrived would he have got the chance. That we will never know, but surely a player becomes "right" over a period of time, not a period of days.
Good post Wiz. I take your point entirely about PDC and the embargo. It's very likely that Storey wouldn't have got a look in if PDC had been able to sign another forward.
Seems to me PDC is at times 'dammed if he does, dammed if he doesnt', often no matter what he does he seems to be at some sort of fault. Hindsight is a dangerous game to play, we can make a case for anything based on the IF word !

I stand by my original post - agreeing with yours. But I still think Wiz has a point. PDC has made it plain that he's been wanting to sign a striker. If he had been able to do that, it seems unlikely that Storey would have got a start so soon.

[quote][p][bold]Dover Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dover Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: Home grown, 1appearance = 1 goal + 1assist, Now sorry, but get Messrs Williams and Collins into that mind set please, and this season could take off with a bang. Well done Miles, you had your chance and took it, with aplomb. Now Mr Manager tell us those stats again, music to our ears, played 1, scored 1 plus 1 assist and he was only on for 60 minutes. Now tell us why he hasn't been played before, please.[/p][/quote]Cos he wasnt ready ?If he had played a stinker we would be moaning, the manager is the boss, he says when the players ready and surely we have to go along with that ?[/p][/quote]Completely agree with you Dover. It's all very well saying "give youth a chance" but they have to be good enough and they have to be ready. If they're blooded before they are ready, I don't think it does anyone any favours. . And Wiz, as LR says you can hardly make a case in hindsight for a player based on his performance in one game. Maybe he played well and got his goal because Saturday was exactly the right time to give him his first start?[/p][/quote]Den, How about this, if our manager had got his way, the embargo lifted, more players brought in, would Miles have got his start, tbh, I doubt it. We wont know how long he has been ready, but the circumstances around injuries etc to a point forced the managers hand, and the lad got played, and a good job too. In addition to his goal and assist he was well and truly up for it, which is more than many of the team have been over recent weeks. Many on here have commented about the disposition of some players, so maybe the time was right, but if new players had arrived would he have got the chance. That we will never know, but surely a player becomes "right" over a period of time, not a period of days.[/p][/quote]Good post Wiz. I take your point entirely about PDC and the embargo. It's very likely that Storey wouldn't have got a look in if PDC had been able to sign another forward.[/p][/quote]Seems to me PDC is at times 'dammed if he does, dammed if he doesnt', often no matter what he does he seems to be at some sort of fault. Hindsight is a dangerous game to play, we can make a case for anything based on the IF word ![/p][/quote]I stand by my original post - agreeing with yours. But I still think Wiz has a point. PDC has made it plain that he's been wanting to sign a striker. If he had been able to do that, it seems unlikely that Storey would have got a start so soon. Oi Den!

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SeanG92 says...
1:03pm Mon 29 Oct 12

Oi Den! wrote:

Dover Red wrote:

Oi Den! wrote:

the wizard wrote:

Oi Den! wrote:

Dover Red wrote:

the wizard wrote:
Home grown, 1appearance = 1 goal + 1assist,

Now sorry, but get Messrs Williams and Collins into that mind set please, and this season could take off with a bang.

Well done Miles, you had your chance and took it, with aplomb.

Now Mr Manager tell us those stats again, music to our ears, played 1, scored 1 plus 1 assist and he was only on for 60 minutes. Now tell us why he hasn't been played before, please.
Cos he wasnt ready ?If he had played a stinker we would be moaning, the manager is the boss, he says when the players ready and surely we have to go along with that ?
Completely agree with you Dover. It's all very well saying "give youth a chance" but they have to be good enough and they have to be ready. If they're blooded before they are ready, I don't think it does anyone any favours.
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And Wiz, as LR says you can hardly make a case in hindsight for a player based on his performance in one game. Maybe he played well and got his goal because Saturday was exactly the right time to give him his first start?
Den,

How about this, if our manager had got his way, the embargo lifted, more players brought in, would Miles have got his start, tbh, I doubt it.

We wont know how long he has been ready, but the circumstances around injuries etc to a point forced the managers hand, and the lad got played, and a good job too.

In addition to his goal and assist he was well and truly up for it, which is more than many of the team have been over recent weeks. Many on here have commented about the disposition of some players, so maybe the time was right, but if new players had arrived would he have got the chance. That we will never know, but surely a player becomes "right" over a period of time, not a period of days.
Good post Wiz. I take your point entirely about PDC and the embargo. It's very likely that Storey wouldn't have got a look in if PDC had been able to sign another forward.
Seems to me PDC is at times 'dammed if he does, dammed if he doesnt', often no matter what he does he seems to be at some sort of fault. Hindsight is a dangerous game to play, we can make a case for anything based on the IF word !
I stand by my original post - agreeing with yours. But I still think Wiz has a point. PDC has made it plain that he's been wanting to sign a striker. If he had been able to do that, it seems unlikely that Storey would have got a start so soon.

Thats true you do have to doubt the fact that Storey would have played had Paolo brought in another striker on an emergency loan. However you also cant really doubt that it would have been merited. Paolo wants a striker who is a proven goalscorer at this level, if he brought one of those in, then id prefer him over Storey unfortunately.

[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dover Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dover Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: Home grown, 1appearance = 1 goal + 1assist, Now sorry, but get Messrs Williams and Collins into that mind set please, and this season could take off with a bang. Well done Miles, you had your chance and took it, with aplomb. Now Mr Manager tell us those stats again, music to our ears, played 1, scored 1 plus 1 assist and he was only on for 60 minutes. Now tell us why he hasn't been played before, please.[/p][/quote]Cos he wasnt ready ?If he had played a stinker we would be moaning, the manager is the boss, he says when the players ready and surely we have to go along with that ?[/p][/quote]Completely agree with you Dover. It's all very well saying "give youth a chance" but they have to be good enough and they have to be ready. If they're blooded before they are ready, I don't think it does anyone any favours. . And Wiz, as LR says you can hardly make a case in hindsight for a player based on his performance in one game. Maybe he played well and got his goal because Saturday was exactly the right time to give him his first start?[/p][/quote]Den, How about this, if our manager had got his way, the embargo lifted, more players brought in, would Miles have got his start, tbh, I doubt it. We wont know how long he has been ready, but the circumstances around injuries etc to a point forced the managers hand, and the lad got played, and a good job too. In addition to his goal and assist he was well and truly up for it, which is more than many of the team have been over recent weeks. Many on here have commented about the disposition of some players, so maybe the time was right, but if new players had arrived would he have got the chance. That we will never know, but surely a player becomes "right" over a period of time, not a period of days.[/p][/quote]Good post Wiz. I take your point entirely about PDC and the embargo. It's very likely that Storey wouldn't have got a look in if PDC had been able to sign another forward.[/p][/quote]Seems to me PDC is at times 'dammed if he does, dammed if he doesnt', often no matter what he does he seems to be at some sort of fault. Hindsight is a dangerous game to play, we can make a case for anything based on the IF word ![/p][/quote]I stand by my original post - agreeing with yours. But I still think Wiz has a point. PDC has made it plain that he's been wanting to sign a striker. If he had been able to do that, it seems unlikely that Storey would have got a start so soon.[/p][/quote]Thats true you do have to doubt the fact that Storey would have played had Paolo brought in another striker on an emergency loan. However you also cant really doubt that it would have been merited. Paolo wants a striker who is a proven goalscorer at this level, if he brought one of those in, then id prefer him over Storey unfortunately. SeanG92

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Wilesy says...
1:17pm Mon 29 Oct 12

It's geat to see a few of the youngsters doing well when they do get their chance and I hope Storey is given more opportunities to progress.

In comparison to Billy Bodin, who had a couple of opportunities last season and didn't entirely convince despite a few well-taken goals, Storey looks a bit quicker and stronger, which has to stand him in good stead.

Should they get the chance together I can see the pace of Williams and Storey posing teams some serious problems and would make the opposition sit a bit deeper as well.

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meadowred says...
2:39pm Mon 29 Oct 12

Congraulations to Miles and always nice to see youth team players getting playing time, seems a real shame all fringe players and non match days players dont get reserves matches any more. Surely with more playing time (even if at reseverve pace) all the squad would be in a better position to step up to match days espically first year pros who chances are always going to be limited.

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London Red says...
2:45pm Mon 29 Oct 12

Let's get one thing straight - Stevenage doesn't prove anything!
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Especially as they had a mare and there keeper is very questionable on at least 2 of our goals (just like us at Preston)
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If that was a one off we are exactly where we were before - just now with ANOTHER TWO out!
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Storey may start the next game and have a absolute stinker!
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Bostock may play like he did against Coventry and Ward may return to "the worst defender to ever pull on a red shirt"
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Also usually if Ferry is not picked we get moans galore - yet he wasn't even in the squad originally - so should we now drop him? (We were also excellent at Portsmouth without him!)
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McEveley was woeful against Scunny - should he not return now?
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We now only have 2 midfielders fit - unless we convert Macca back - but he is currently covering fullback as we don't have enough there with the injuries
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So to me we DO still need extra bodies - especially as if Troy is not well still we have NINE missing for tomorrow!
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The only thing sat proved to me is our squad is good enough - we just need a few more bodies while nearly a 3rd of them are out
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For me based on the 5 injuries, Troy ill and Ward and Rooney cup tied I would go tomorrow with
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Fodders
Devera Macca Flint McEveley
Ritchie Ferry Miller Roberts
Collins RDV
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Bedwell Oakley L.Thompson L.Rooney Benson Storey
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Don't think we can actually name a 7th on the bench!!!!!
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The 17 above already includes 2 youths already so the 15 pros and 9 missing is our 24 now Rooney is back
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Think that shows we need a few more until the likes of Thompson Navarro Bostock and Williams come back

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London Red says...
2:49pm Mon 29 Oct 12

Sorry 6 injuries - Thompson Bessone Navarro Coke Williams and now Bostock

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SAPFanSTFC says...
2:57pm Mon 29 Oct 12

SeanG92 wrote:

Oi Den! wrote:

Dover Red wrote:

Oi Den! wrote:

the wizard wrote:

Oi Den! wrote:

Dover Red wrote:

the wizard wrote:
Home grown, 1appearance = 1 goal + 1assist,

Now sorry, but get Messrs Williams and Collins into that mind set please, and this season could take off with a bang.

Well done Miles, you had your chance and took it, with aplomb.

Now Mr Manager tell us those stats again, music to our ears, played 1, scored 1 plus 1 assist and he was only on for 60 minutes. Now tell us why he hasn't been played before, please.
Cos he wasnt ready ?If he had played a stinker we would be moaning, the manager is the boss, he says when the players ready and surely we have to go along with that ?
Completely agree with you Dover. It's all very well saying "give youth a chance" but they have to be good enough and they have to be ready. If they're blooded before they are ready, I don't think it does anyone any favours.
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And Wiz, as LR says you can hardly make a case in hindsight for a player based on his performance in one game. Maybe he played well and got his goal because Saturday was exactly the right time to give him his first start?
Den,

How about this, if our manager had got his way, the embargo lifted, more players brought in, would Miles have got his start, tbh, I doubt it.

We wont know how long he has been ready, but the circumstances around injuries etc to a point forced the managers hand, and the lad got played, and a good job too.

In addition to his goal and assist he was well and truly up for it, which is more than many of the team have been over recent weeks. Many on here have commented about the disposition of some players, so maybe the time was right, but if new players had arrived would he have got the chance. That we will never know, but surely a player becomes "right" over a period of time, not a period of days.
Good post Wiz. I take your point entirely about PDC and the embargo. It's very likely that Storey wouldn't have got a look in if PDC had been able to sign another forward.
Seems to me PDC is at times 'dammed if he does, dammed if he doesnt', often no matter what he does he seems to be at some sort of fault. Hindsight is a dangerous game to play, we can make a case for anything based on the IF word !
I stand by my original post - agreeing with yours. But I still think Wiz has a point. PDC has made it plain that he's been wanting to sign a striker. If he had been able to do that, it seems unlikely that Storey would have got a start so soon.
Thats true you do have to doubt the fact that Storey would have played had Paolo brought in another striker on an emergency loan. However you also cant really doubt that it would have been merited. Paolo wants a striker who is a proven goalscorer at this level, if he brought one of those in, then id prefer him over Storey unfortunately.

Th ewhole thing is that when backs are to the wall most of us longer term and truer fasns would prefer to put our eggs in the basket of Miles than in a basket of some 'Emergency Loan' untried and unfocused 'Optional Extra'....this is what you get!!
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Yes it could have gone sour and he could have scored no goals.....oh hang on a moment!...18yr old thrown in for his first start and doesn't score!?... throw him on the scrapheap!!...Come on guys most if not all of us would give Miles a 4 match run out now compared with an emergency loan.

[quote][p][bold]SeanG92[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dover Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dover Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: Home grown, 1appearance = 1 goal + 1assist, Now sorry, but get Messrs Williams and Collins into that mind set please, and this season could take off with a bang. Well done Miles, you had your chance and took it, with aplomb. Now Mr Manager tell us those stats again, music to our ears, played 1, scored 1 plus 1 assist and he was only on for 60 minutes. Now tell us why he hasn't been played before, please.[/p][/quote]Cos he wasnt ready ?If he had played a stinker we would be moaning, the manager is the boss, he says when the players ready and surely we have to go along with that ?[/p][/quote]Completely agree with you Dover. It's all very well saying "give youth a chance" but they have to be good enough and they have to be ready. If they're blooded before they are ready, I don't think it does anyone any favours. . And Wiz, as LR says you can hardly make a case in hindsight for a player based on his performance in one game. Maybe he played well and got his goal because Saturday was exactly the right time to give him his first start?[/p][/quote]Den, How about this, if our manager had got his way, the embargo lifted, more players brought in, would Miles have got his start, tbh, I doubt it. We wont know how long he has been ready, but the circumstances around injuries etc to a point forced the managers hand, and the lad got played, and a good job too. In addition to his goal and assist he was well and truly up for it, which is more than many of the team have been over recent weeks. Many on here have commented about the disposition of some players, so maybe the time was right, but if new players had arrived would he have got the chance. That we will never know, but surely a player becomes "right" over a period of time, not a period of days.[/p][/quote]Good post Wiz. I take your point entirely about PDC and the embargo. It's very likely that Storey wouldn't have got a look in if PDC had been able to sign another forward.[/p][/quote]Seems to me PDC is at times 'dammed if he does, dammed if he doesnt', often no matter what he does he seems to be at some sort of fault. Hindsight is a dangerous game to play, we can make a case for anything based on the IF word ![/p][/quote]I stand by my original post - agreeing with yours. But I still think Wiz has a point. PDC has made it plain that he's been wanting to sign a striker. If he had been able to do that, it seems unlikely that Storey would have got a start so soon.[/p][/quote]Thats true you do have to doubt the fact that Storey would have played had Paolo brought in another striker on an emergency loan. However you also cant really doubt that it would have been merited. Paolo wants a striker who is a proven goalscorer at this level, if he brought one of those in, then id prefer him over Storey unfortunately.[/p][/quote]Th ewhole thing is that when backs are to the wall most of us longer term and truer fasns would prefer to put our eggs in the basket of Miles than in a basket of some 'Emergency Loan' untried and unfocused 'Optional Extra'....this is what you get!! ... Yes it could have gone sour and he could have scored no goals.....oh hang on a moment!...18yr old thrown in for his first start and doesn't score!?... throw him on the scrapheap!!...Come on guys most if not all of us would give Miles a 4 match run out now compared with an emergency loan. SAPFanSTFC

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London Red says...
3:04pm Mon 29 Oct 12

Depends on who the loanee is surely?
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If we were to get Cox for example (I know we won't) then hell no I would want him over Storey!
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Storey should definetly be on the bench while Williams is out an starting games like Macclesfield
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But not so sure against the likes of Villa and Sheff U - big ask of a kid!

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Oi Den! says...
3:04pm Mon 29 Oct 12

LR, what does it matter if we have NINE or NINETY NINE missing? You can still only put 11 players on the pitch at any one time.
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You said it yourself: "Our squad is good enough." Isn't the whole purpose of a squad to provide cover for when you have injuries and suspensions? And if we have several players out but can still have 17 or 18 recognised players available, doesn't that mean the squad is doing its job?
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You seem to think we should be some sort of exception to the normal football world - that's the world where you have to take a few absences on the chin and get on with life. It's always about numbers and bodies with you. You say we need a few more until the likes of Thomson etc come back. Well, the only thing that would achieve for certain is a significant increase in the wage bill. Can't we just recognise how lucky we are to have been able to invest so heavily in the squad - and get on with using it like we did on Saturday?
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I wonder if, deep down, you really do feel that we are so short of players or if the truth is that your policy of agreeing with everything PDC says has pushed you into a bit of a corner.

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SAPFanSTFC says...
3:05pm Mon 29 Oct 12

London Red wrote:
Let's get one thing straight - Stevenage doesn't prove anything!
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Especially as they had a mare and there keeper is very questionable on at least 2 of our goals (just like us at Preston)
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If that was a one off we are exactly where we were before - just now with ANOTHER TWO out!
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Storey may start the next game and have a absolute stinker!
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Bostock may play like he did against Coventry and Ward may return to "the worst defender to ever pull on a red shirt"
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Also usually if Ferry is not picked we get moans galore - yet he wasn't even in the squad originally - so should we now drop him? (We were also excellent at Portsmouth without him!)
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McEveley was woeful against Scunny - should he not return now?
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We now only have 2 midfielders fit - unless we convert Macca back - but he is currently covering fullback as we don't have enough there with the injuries
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So to me we DO still need extra bodies - especially as if Troy is not well still we have NINE missing for tomorrow!
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The only thing sat proved to me is our squad is good enough - we just need a few more bodies while nearly a 3rd of them are out
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For me based on the 5 injuries, Troy ill and Ward and Rooney cup tied I would go tomorrow with
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Fodders
Devera Macca Flint McEveley
Ritchie Ferry Miller Roberts
Collins RDV
.
Bedwell Oakley L.Thompson L.Rooney Benson Storey
.
Don't think we can actually name a 7th on the bench!!!!!
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The 17 above already includes 2 youths already so the 15 pros and 9 missing is our 24 now Rooney is back
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Think that shows we need a few more until the likes of Thompson Navarro Bostock and Williams come back

Absolutely right!!....errmmm oh hang on 4-0 against a team who have one of the top 6 defensive records of the last 5 years!!
......sorry LR but it proves a LOT... I know you won't dicuss because you've taken to answering to those who disagree with a quote that you're not going to argue.
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-You have constantly rubbished everyone who has called for the youth to get a chace!!
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- You have constantly supported PDC (to a level above all of us) n that he is 100% right 99% of the time
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- You have constantly ridiculed the fact that we have a squad (as purchased by PDC) that could challenge for the title after one or two injuries....and don't get me wrong I totally agree with the 6 or 7 injuries element BUT!!!....not before you give our youngsters a throw at the dice and you don't blame and embargo for losing games in which you wouldn't have had time to get a loan in for AND get them ready!
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Don't get me wrong because I know you're a very intelligent person and a 100% STFC fan but you do need to listen a little more because we have some fantastic youth players coming through.
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NO they can't win the league for us on their own but I would trust them over some SCAVENGER on an emergency loan who doesn't give a flying fannie!
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Now!!...What about tomorrow LR - Who would you play and do you think we have a chance?

[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Let's get one thing straight - Stevenage doesn't prove anything! . Especially as they had a mare and there keeper is very questionable on at least 2 of our goals (just like us at Preston) . If that was a one off we are exactly where we were before - just now with ANOTHER TWO out! . Storey may start the next game and have a absolute stinker! . Bostock may play like he did against Coventry and Ward may return to "the worst defender to ever pull on a red shirt" . Also usually if Ferry is not picked we get moans galore - yet he wasn't even in the squad originally - so should we now drop him? (We were also excellent at Portsmouth without him!) . McEveley was woeful against Scunny - should he not return now? . We now only have 2 midfielders fit - unless we convert Macca back - but he is currently covering fullback as we don't have enough there with the injuries . So to me we DO still need extra bodies - especially as if Troy is not well still we have NINE missing for tomorrow! . The only thing sat proved to me is our squad is good enough - we just need a few more bodies while nearly a 3rd of them are out . For me based on the 5 injuries, Troy ill and Ward and Rooney cup tied I would go tomorrow with . Fodders Devera Macca Flint McEveley Ritchie Ferry Miller Roberts Collins RDV . Bedwell Oakley L.Thompson L.Rooney Benson Storey . Don't think we can actually name a 7th on the bench!!!!! . The 17 above already includes 2 youths already so the 15 pros and 9 missing is our 24 now Rooney is back . Think that shows we need a few more until the likes of Thompson Navarro Bostock and Williams come back[/p][/quote]Absolutely right!!....errmmm oh hang on 4-0 against a team who have one of the top 6 defensive records of the last 5 years!! ......sorry LR but it proves a LOT... I know you won't dicuss because you've taken to answering to those who disagree with a quote that you're not going to argue. ---. -You have constantly rubbished everyone who has called for the youth to get a chace!! . - You have constantly supported PDC (to a level above all of us) n that he is 100% right 99% of the time . - You have constantly ridiculed the fact that we have a squad (as purchased by PDC) that could challenge for the title after one or two injuries....and don't get me wrong I totally agree with the 6 or 7 injuries element BUT!!!....not before you give our youngsters a throw at the dice and you don't blame and embargo for losing games in which you wouldn't have had time to get a loan in for AND get them ready! ---. Don't get me wrong because I know you're a very intelligent person and a 100% STFC fan but you do need to listen a little more because we have some fantastic youth players coming through. ... NO they can't win the league for us on their own but I would trust them over some SCAVENGER on an emergency loan who doesn't give a flying fannie! ===. Now!!...What about tomorrow LR - Who would you play and do you think we have a chance? SAPFanSTFC

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the wizard says...
3:09pm Mon 29 Oct 12

..Come on guys most if not all of us would give Miles a 4 match run out now compared with an emergency loan.

Too true, because as yet our manager reckons most players incoming are not fit enough so has them in training for a while, and do you know what, he is probably right. I also seem to remember a certain Mr Rooney starting off real young, yes the "other" Rooney, currently with Manure.

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dreamofacleansheet2 says...
3:28pm Mon 29 Oct 12

I've said it all along that I am truely staggered by the strength yes strength of our squad.

Paolo has wound most supporters up a bit by his continual ranting at the board about the embargo but if you take a step back do we want our manager to put pressure on the board?

I for one do. (Would prefer it in private but so be it). Equally I don't wish for the board to agree to his every demand and risk our future. The manager is a winner through and through and I've always felt that in most games we've created chances. We'd always put them away eventually.

I'm with everyone else that I'd always prefer to see a home grown player blossom but I'm happy our manager doesn't do sentiment. Nor do I think he should.

To all those doubters I'll now do a little impression of Nigel Adkins.....

"If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too......"

Keep the faith troops. We are winning the league. Looking forward to tomorrow night as well....

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London Red says...
3:30pm Mon 29 Oct 12

Den we've been through this before and you adding numbers on the top doesn't make an arguement
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We will never have a squad big enough to have 20, 30 or now 95 injuries! So why say it?
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It DOES matter how many we have out and this has nothing to do with PdC - but because as every week passes and we get another added on that list we have less and less to pick from and are now very close to not having enough!
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We are now down to only 15 pros - 2 of them are keepers so that is 13 to fill 10 starting spots - not much cover or options there!
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So if those 13 are 4 fullbacks 4 centre backs 4 centre midfielders and a winger is that OK as we still have 11? It doesn't matter that we don't any in certain positions?
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I know we are not in that situation (yet) - but we are getting there with only 2 CM and 1 real fullback!
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SAP totally untrue - I just won't have a pointless arguement about your job as I don't actually care about that!
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If you want to discuss STFC then fine!
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Also start reading my posts before just having a pop as I clearly answered your question about Villa
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Also one game shows nothing as it is that one game!
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Wiz - saying you would playing him for the next 4 is saying you expect him to score the goals to beat Villa and Sheff U
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Do you expect him to do that? Don't you think that is a big ask/responsibility for a 18 year old with 1 start to his name?
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What happens if he misses a few like Collins has - do we all have to then turn on him? What would that do to him?

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dreamofacleansheet2 says...
3:31pm Mon 29 Oct 12

Den ps don't worry about prices set by bookies, they hardly take any money they just offer ridiculous odds all over the place to try and get some free publicity. The Emperor will reign for a bit longer yet!

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Oi Den! says...
3:37pm Mon 29 Oct 12

dreamofacleansheet2 wrote:
Den ps don't worry about prices set by bookies, they hardly take any money they just offer ridiculous odds all over the place to try and get some free publicity. The Emperor will reign for a bit longer yet!

Ah! Didn't say I was concerned about it or that I thought there was anything in it - only that I reckon they must have heard something they believe.

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the don69 says...
3:39pm Mon 29 Oct 12

Tranmere are hoping to keep Jack Cassidy until the end of the season!think we should have a little chat with the Wolves!hopefully put a spanner in the works!that's of course when we're out of our embargo(if we ever are lol)!!!!!!

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London Red says...
3:40pm Mon 29 Oct 12

Dreams it's never been about giving to every demand
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PdC had budget in reserve to cover injuries - yet when they hit and hit hard he has not been able to use that budget
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This is not new - its the one agreed by the board in pre-season
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They could have cleared it instantly but have chosen not too - there is over £1m of useless loans in the club that could have become equity to give that reserve budget back (unless this was the investment in the summer - then new equity would be needed)
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It's useless as the only way it could be paid back is by selling our stars - which if they do that they obviously don't want to go up!
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Also the board can limited how many PdC did bring in and say right 6 is a lot but we think the squad can cope with 3 or 4 so you can sign 2 - who do you want?
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That's not giving into every demand just as JW said giving the manager the tools to do the job he has been asked to do
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As for keeping it in house - it would have been impossible as surely the question would have been aske why have we not signed anyone when we have 6 out injured!
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Granted it could have come out differently but would have had to come to light at some point

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London Red says...
3:43pm Mon 29 Oct 12

Agreed Don - I've been calling for that for weeks
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I would think Wolves could be tempted with a perm move too as he is down the pecking order there
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Give them a buy back option and 40-50% sell on like we did with Cox
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We would still make money like we did with Cox and benefit from his goals before any sale

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Malkym says...
3:45pm Mon 29 Oct 12

If Clattenburger did make racist remarks in the Chelski v Manure game then Russki Man has no option other than to make him Captain!

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the wizard says...
3:50pm Mon 29 Oct 12

LR said,

Wiz - saying you would playing him for the next 4 is saying you expect him to score the goals to beat Villa and Sheff U
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Do you expect him to do that? Don't you think that is a big ask/responsibility for a 18 year old with 1 start to his name?
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What happens if he misses a few like Collins has - do we all have to then turn on him? What would that do to him?

I would play him, and I think he would do his best to give a worthy contribution, and if he did miss any chances then he would be not worse than Williams, A Rooney or Collins as they have missed PLENTY and given their experience have been frankly wasteful and at times woeful.

Even if that were to happen, no he would not get stick as he is still learning while all the guys quoted have plenty of experience. I do rather think you are trying to tailor this debate to suit your own ends. I say play him, if he is that bad then we have learned he is not ready. Somehow I think he would relish the opportunity, what lad wouldn't.
Sheff Utd and Villa also have guys out injured, small world isn't it.
With Miles doing so well I would think Patey has taken note of that as well, and the fact that our "second team" did so well away from home against the second club in this league, and gave them the biggest beating they have had since becoming members of the league, perhaps one stat too many eh ?

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the don69 says...
4:06pm Mon 29 Oct 12

London Red wrote:
Agreed Don - I've been calling for that for weeks
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I would think Wolves could be tempted with a perm move too as he is down the pecking order there
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Give them a buy back option and 40-50% sell on like we did with Cox
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We would still make money like we did with Cox and benefit from his goals before any sale

Spot on!they should get the wheels in motion,before it's too late!Ronnie Moore said of him,he never gives up and he's not afraid to miss,always a good sign in a striker!!!!!!

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Oi Den! says...
4:06pm Mon 29 Oct 12

Sorry LR, but for me it will always be about what is available not what is missing.
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"...as every week passes and we get another added on that list we have less and less to pick from and are now very close to not having enough!" - Talk about recognising only the facts that suit you. As each week passes, injured players are closer to coming back!
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As for "we need a few more"... you think a number of good quality players are available just like that, at the drop of a hat, and that they would want to come here (or their managers would want them to come here) for a few weeks to sit on the bench?
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I simply do not accept that we have an injury crisis - and even if I did I wouldn't necessarily expect the board to fork out more money after they've already ploughed a fortune into the club this season. Sometimes you just have to accept the rub of the green. No wonder that Tranmere fan was having a laugh at our expense the other day.
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As it happens, I think we are short of one player - a combative midfielder a can win the ball and distribute it to the ball players. With that player, I reckon we could mount a serious assault on the title. Without him, I think we'll be thereabouts anyway, injuries or no injuries, more additions or no more additions.

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SeanG92 says...
4:11pm Mon 29 Oct 12

Just went to book my tickets for Shef Utd and cant book any in the town end! Surely its not sold out?!?

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London Red says...
4:11pm Mon 29 Oct 12

Fair enough Wiz - but the he still learning won't be the be the majority view if he did have a poor game or too
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Previous youth like Kennedy, Macklin and even Bodin were never given that!
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I still think Villa and Sheff U are too big to ask an 18 year old to lead the line - but that's my opinion - RDV with Collins or Benson for me - with Collins for Villa as its his old club and he has just started to hit form with 3 in the last 4

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the don69 says...
4:21pm Mon 29 Oct 12

Oi Den! wrote:
Sorry LR, but for me it will always be about what is available not what is missing.
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"...as every week passes and we get another added on that list we have less and less to pick from and are now very close to not having enough!" - Talk about recognising only the facts that suit you. As each week passes, injured players are closer to coming back!
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As for "we need a few more"... you think a number of good quality players are available just like that, at the drop of a hat, and that they would want to come here (or their managers would want them to come here) for a few weeks to sit on the bench?
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I simply do not accept that we have an injury crisis - and even if I did I wouldn't necessarily expect the board to fork out more money after they've already ploughed a fortune into the club this season. Sometimes you just have to accept the rub of the green. No wonder that Tranmere fan was having a laugh at our expense the other day.
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As it happens, I think we are short of one player - a combative midfielder a can win the ball and distribute it to the ball players. With that player, I reckon we could mount a serious assault on the title. Without him, I think we'll be thereabouts anyway, injuries or no injuries, more additions or no more additions.

We'll see if that Tranny Fan,is still laughing after we've played them Den!and if we could Nick Cassidy off them!(he'd be crying into his beer lol)!!!!!!!

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LeGod says...
4:35pm Mon 29 Oct 12

There's alot of talk in the media in Southampton that saints fans are turning on Adkins now and one of the favourites to replace him is Di Canio.

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Okus Road says...
5:01pm Mon 29 Oct 12

As well as Storey played his control was poor at times and he got knocked off the ball too easily.

Glad Paolo is in charge of him and expect him to be a regular by the end of the season

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Wilesy says...
5:12pm Mon 29 Oct 12

LR what's the problem this is a strong pool to get a good starting 11.

2 selection options left wing and up front.

I expect Roberts and Benson to start.

Is Troy definitely out? If not it further strengthens the bench.

Fodders
Devera Macca Flint McEveley
Ritchie Ferry Miller Roberts/RDV
Collins Benson/Storey

I doubt RDV will play up front as he hasn't featured there for best part of a year.

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SAPFanSTFC says...
5:17pm Mon 29 Oct 12

LeGod wrote:
There's alot of talk in the media in Southampton that saints fans are turning on Adkins now and one of the favourites to replace him is Di Canio.

Just how fickle can they get!?...would love to see how many players would survive 4 weeks under PDC.
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Can't imagine the Saints board would sack someone so soon after back-to-backs - anyway back to us!
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COYRs!

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Malkym says...
5:19pm Mon 29 Oct 12

LeGod wrote:
There's alot of talk in the media in Southampton that saints fans are turning on Adkins now and one of the favourites to replace him is Di Canio.

Le God I've just had a trawl (admittedly not thorough) on the Sothern Daily echo Site -can't see any references to di Canio -that's not to say there aren't any -just that his name isn't all over the sports pages and Adkins still has a good degree of support although the club itself is keeping schtum!(check my spelling Steve please?)

Did like this Saints fans quote ->" Talk about a 'non story'. SFC refuses to comment on idle speculation from unknown source. Are there any real journalists working for the Echo? No wonder NC has no time for the media (Echo in particular)"

Seems the Adver & Echo hacks do have someting in common :)

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Oxon-Red says...
5:28pm Mon 29 Oct 12

Bit of Irony for you guys (and Gals).

If Paolo was to go to Southampton the compensation would be enough to rid us of the embargo :-)

COYMR

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SeanG92 says...
5:30pm Mon 29 Oct 12

Of course PDC is going to be linked to just about every job going. thats what success does! It sounds like the tabloids trying to create a story more than anything guys.

Lets just focus on the match tomorrow :)

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Oi Den! says...
5:37pm Mon 29 Oct 12

SeanG92 wrote:
Of course PDC is going to be linked to just about every job going. thats what success does! It sounds like the tabloids trying to create a story more than anything guys.

Lets just focus on the match tomorrow :)

Nowt to do with the tabloids, Sean. The bookies have made PDC odds on favourite for the Saints job. They could be well wide of the mark of course. But they've obviously got information from somewhere that they believe is good. Whether it is or not is another matter.
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I don't think it would be a good move for him or them - but that's yet another matter.

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Oi Den! says...
5:37pm Mon 29 Oct 12

SeanG92 wrote:
Of course PDC is going to be linked to just about every job going. thats what success does! It sounds like the tabloids trying to create a story more than anything guys.

Lets just focus on the match tomorrow :)

Nowt to do with the tabloids, Sean. The bookies have made PDC odds on favourite for the Saints job. They could be well wide of the mark of course. But they've obviously got information from somewhere that they believe is good. Whether it is or not is another matter.
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I don't think it would be a good move for him or them - but that's yet another matter.

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billbst says...
5:39pm Mon 29 Oct 12

As LR says our match day squad for tomorrow is at best 16 professionals. That is not a good position to be in and in the normal course of events I do think we would have brought in 2 short term loans by now and still have some scope to cover for the GK position. i suspect this would have been there apart from the 2 tribunal settlements. So we have to get on with what we have and given Saturday's performance that isn't too bad. I would go:-
Wes
Macca - Flint - Devera - McEveley

Ritchie -Ferry - Miller- Roberts

Collins - DeVita

Bench: Bedwell, Benson, Storey, Thompson, Troy, Oakley + 1

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Oxon-Red says...
5:40pm Mon 29 Oct 12

I think Paolo has introduced Storey to the first team very well. He has named him as sub on a number of occasions despite having other strikers fit and he has given him cameo's.

I heard the Miles interview on Saturday and he himself admitted that he had found the hour he played very tiring. Whether he is ready to play 4 matches in 10 days should be considered.

I don't expect him to start tomorrow but would not be at all surprised to see him feature. I think his next start will be on Saturday in the Cup.

SAP - on the scavengers subject we have done well from Loan signings over the years. A few names: Cox, Ritchie, Ferry, Wes, McEveley, Ward (Danny). We have had duffers but at least you can say "Thank You but No Thank You".

COYMR

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Steve. Brentford says...
5:55pm Mon 29 Oct 12

Malkym wrote:

LeGod wrote:
There's alot of talk in the media in Southampton that saints fans are turning on Adkins now and one of the favourites to replace him is Di Canio.
Le God I've just had a trawl (admittedly not thorough) on the Sothern Daily echo Site -can't see any references to di Canio -that's not to say there aren't any -just that his name isn't all over the sports pages and Adkins still has a good degree of support although the club itself is keeping schtum!(check my spelling Steve please?)

Did like this Saints fans quote ->" Talk about a 'non story'. SFC refuses to comment on idle speculation from unknown source. Are there any real journalists working for the Echo? No wonder NC has no time for the media (Echo in particular)"

Seems the Adver & Echo hacks do have someting in common :)

Tut tut, the correct way to spell schtum is..................
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.........quiet,you see that's education Malky.

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dreamofacleansheet2 says...
6:05pm Mon 29 Oct 12

Den in particular and others I wrote above:

dreamofacleansheet2 says...
3:31pm Mon 29 Oct 12

Den ps don't worry about prices set by bookies, they hardly take any money they just offer ridiculous odds all over the place to try and get some free publicity. The Emperor will reign for a bit longer yet!

TO BE CLEAR. these markets by the bookies are and I quote from a man who sets the prices on these odds "all over the place, they just follow any speculation anywhere".

Relax, Paolo will be linked to everyone as he is successful and a new breed of manager. Not that you'd believe it on here sometimes. (Gets under desk, tin hat firmly on)......

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DarrenSTFCRomain says...
6:05pm Mon 29 Oct 12

the don69 wrote:
Tranmere are hoping to keep Jack Cassidy until the end of the season!think we should have a little chat with the Wolves!hopefully put a spanner in the works!that's of course when we're out of our embargo(if we ever are lol)!!!!!!

We wont be out of the embargo..
Even if we beat Villa i can still see the board saying no...
YOU HAVE A GOOD SQUADE IN DEPTH with a few youth players also in the mix...
So make do with what you already have bought..

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jam1 says...
6:11pm Mon 29 Oct 12

Just heard on BBC Wilts, Williams and Thompson both fit for tomorrow!!!!

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DarrenSTFCRomain says...
6:17pm Mon 29 Oct 12

Davidsyrett wrote:
I thought the saying was if your good enough your old enough. I think Storey should be given a few games and see how he develops. Williams is injured and Benno looks like he's struggling for pace this season. Storey's pace would scare any defence including Villa's, I'd certainly like to see him have a 20 min cameo against them even if he doesn't start. Oh Marks Dad, this is a forum for peoples view's and yes we are all entitled to our opinions whether you like it or not, If your happy to agree with everything that goes on with the football club then why read the comments?

SPOT ON DAVE.

Well said With both quotes

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Malkym says...
6:30pm Mon 29 Oct 12

Steve. Brentford wrote:

Malkym wrote:
LeGod wrote: There's alot of talk in the media in Southampton that saints fans are turning on Adkins now and one of the favourites to replace him is Di Canio.
Le God I've just had a trawl (admittedly not thorough) on the Sothern Daily echo Site -can't see any references to di Canio -that's not to say there aren't any -just that his name isn't all over the sports pages and Adkins still has a good degree of support although the club itself is keeping schtum!(check my spelling Steve please?) Did like this Saints fans quote ->" Talk about a 'non story'. SFC refuses to comment on idle speculation from unknown source. Are there any real journalists working for the Echo? No wonder NC has no time for the media (Echo in particular)" Seems the Adver & Echo hacks do have someting in common :)
Tut tut, the correct way to spell schtum is.................. .................... .................... .................... .................... .........quiet,you see that's education Malky.

Fank you four your reply- see I knows wot you means but i can stil writ proper like wot you can :)

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DarrenSTFCRomain says...
6:39pm Mon 29 Oct 12

the wizard wrote:
Agreed Sean, very much so, and they have, and have also returned little despite their superior experience, and game time. On this occasion given how the normal faces have failed to convert so many chances in so many games it was right to play Storey. Collins who I think is a darn good player has missed more chances than I want to remember, and Rooney until now has hardly inspired any confidence at all. The gelling argument does not stand up as Storey walked straight in. He just got himself revved up and went for it, perhaps he could show some of the others how it is done. By the way, this isn't supposed to come across as a rant, sorry if it does, I normal agree with a large percentage of your views. Cheers.

IF Miles dont get picked for the Villa game he will be gutted BIG TIME...

Why would you not wont to play a player that is hungery fired-up fearless and most of all he has pace to run at their defence..

like you i would play him as often as possible
Age means nothing..Just look at way Liverpool are trying to go

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southside7 says...
7:18pm Mon 29 Oct 12

jam1 wrote:
Just heard on BBC Wilts, Williams and Thompson both fit for tomorrow!!!!

Get in......now we stand a great chance, can't eggin' wait.

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Oi Den! says...
7:25pm Mon 29 Oct 12

jam1 wrote:
Just heard on BBC Wilts, Williams and Thompson both fit for tomorrow!!!!

Note to LR: Does this not help you to understand what some of us have been trying to say? Players getting injured is part of the game, and players coming back from injury is part of the game. When you've got a squad of decent size and quality, there's no need to make panic acquisitions. Two from Collins, Williams, Benson, Storey, De Vita and Rooney up front, with perhaps two of the other four on the bench? I think most clubs wouldn't see that as much of a crisis.

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madterrier says...
7:29pm Mon 29 Oct 12

Would seem a tad harsh, with Adkins having won back to back promotions. On the other hand, the Peter Principle says you rise to your own level of incompetence.

I would say that is true of Southampton generally, not just Adkins. So if they think he had the necessary to get them out of L1/Championship, but not to keep them in the PL, you would have thought they wanted a manager with EPL credentials. Or a nutter.

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London Red says...
7:39pm Mon 29 Oct 12

If they are back then that is certainly a shock as both were meant to be weeks away
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I hope this is not a case of rushing them back due to only having 13 outfield professionals - as if it is this could be very bad as it could set them back further and see them out much longer than they should be
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However - if they are truely fit then this is good news - no great news - and it will certainly go along way to relieving the injury crisis as it will start to give us options again
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Would not start them but at least we can now have a bench
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Same team as above but with
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Bedwell N.Thompson L.Rooney Benson Storey Williams and Troy (if recovered) or L.Thompson

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mikek says...
7:44pm Mon 29 Oct 12

LeGod wrote:
There's alot of talk in the media in Southampton that saints fans are turning on Adkins now and one of the favourites to replace him is Di Canio.

Paolo is being linked to many jobs at the moment even David Cameron is looking over his shoulder. Paolo has too much unfinished business to leave HMS Swindon Town.

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Oi Den! says...
7:45pm Mon 29 Oct 12

I'd find it very hard not to pick Williams if he's fully fit. He could give Villa a real run for their money with his strength and turn of pace. I'm glad it's PDC's decision and not mine.
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Everything seems to be building towards a cracking cup tie.

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Steve. Brentford says...
7:53pm Mon 29 Oct 12

Malkym wrote:

Steve. Brentford wrote:

Malkym wrote:
LeGod wrote: There's alot of talk in the media in Southampton that saints fans are turning on Adkins now and one of the favourites to replace him is Di Canio.
Le God I've just had a trawl (admittedly not thorough) on the Sothern Daily echo Site -can't see any references to di Canio -that's not to say there aren't any -just that his name isn't all over the sports pages and Adkins still has a good degree of support although the club itself is keeping schtum!(check my spelling Steve please?) Did like this Saints fans quote ->" Talk about a 'non story'. SFC refuses to comment on idle speculation from unknown source. Are there any real journalists working for the Echo? No wonder NC has no time for the media (Echo in particular)" Seems the Adver & Echo hacks do have someting in common :)
Tut tut, the correct way to spell schtum is.................. .................... .................... .................... .................... .........quiet,you see that's education Malky.
Fank you four your reply- see I knows wot you means but i can stil writ proper like wot you can :)

If you keep progressing at the rate you are i may make you a job offer Malky,something like reading the Newspapers out loud to me so i don't have to bother.Do you wear clingy little tight numbers?(that always helps sway me) on second thoughts keep that information to yourself,i`m about to eat.

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mikek says...
7:55pm Mon 29 Oct 12

Oi Den! wrote:
I'd find it very hard not to pick Williams if he's fully fit. He could give Villa a real run for their money with his strength and turn of pace. I'm glad it's PDC's decision and not mine.
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Everything seems to be building towards a cracking cup tie.

Hi Den yes agree fabulous player and one that has so much energy and incredible pace. If he is 100% fit he has to play but we do have some decent options otherwise. I really think its time Paulo gave Di Vita a run up front as this guy is very tricky and knows where the goal is. Storey is going to be a future star for sure and Paolo will nurse him along I feel. What a game this should be tomorrow just can't wait.

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mikek says...
8:07pm Mon 29 Oct 12

Portsmouth looking quite decent at old arms folded's club tonight and look better side in first 15 minutes. Like the look of Bazacky for Pompey just hit a screamer that hit the bar. Come on Pompey do this lot.

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Malkym says...
8:29pm Mon 29 Oct 12

Steve. Brentford wrote:

Malkym wrote:
Steve. Brentford wrote:
Malkym wrote:
LeGod wrote: There's alot of talk in the media in Southampton that saints fans are turning on Adkins now and one of the favourites to replace him is Di Canio.
Le God I've just had a trawl (admittedly not thorough) on the Sothern Daily echo Site -can't see any references to di Canio -that's not to say there aren't any -just that his name isn't all over the sports pages and Adkins still has a good degree of support although the club itself is keeping schtum!(check my spelling Steve please?) Did like this Saints fans quote ->" Talk about a 'non story'. SFC refuses to comment on idle speculation from unknown source. Are there any real journalists working for the Echo? No wonder NC has no time for the media (Echo in particular)" Seems the Adver & Echo hacks do have someting in common :)
Tut tut, the correct way to spell schtum is.................. .................... .................... .................... .................... .........quiet,you see that's education Malky.
Fank you four your reply- see I knows wot you means but i can stil writ proper like wot you can :)
If you keep progressing at the rate you are i may make you a job offer Malky,something like reading the Newspapers out loud to me so i don't have to bother.Do you wear clingy little tight numbers?(that always helps sway me) on second thoughts keep that information to yourself,i`m about to eat.

Won't take me long to read the currant bun to you matey -don't see you as a Times man!

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the don69 says...
8:35pm Mon 29 Oct 12

Malkym wrote:

Steve. Brentford wrote:

Malkym wrote:
Steve. Brentford wrote:
Malkym wrote:
LeGod wrote: There's alot of talk in the media in Southampton that saints fans are turning on Adkins now and one of the favourites to replace him is Di Canio.
Le God I've just had a trawl (admittedly not thorough) on the Sothern Daily echo Site -can't see any references to di Canio -that's not to say there aren't any -just that his name isn't all over the sports pages and Adkins still has a good degree of support although the club itself is keeping schtum!(check my spelling Steve please?) Did like this Saints fans quote ->" Talk about a 'non story'. SFC refuses to comment on idle speculation from unknown source. Are there any real journalists working for the Echo? No wonder NC has no time for the media (Echo in particular)" Seems the Adver & Echo hacks do have someting in common :)
Tut tut, the correct way to spell schtum is.................. .................... .................... .................... .................... .........quiet,you see that's education Malky.
Fank you four your reply- see I knows wot you means but i can stil writ proper like wot you can :)
If you keep progressing at the rate you are i may make you a job offer Malky,something like reading the Newspapers out loud to me so i don't have to bother.Do you wear clingy little tight numbers?(that always helps sway me) on second thoughts keep that information to yourself,i`m about to eat.
Won't take me long to read the currant bun to you matey -don't see you as a Times man!

More like the BEANO!!!!!!!

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dreamofacleansheet2 says...
8:36pm Mon 29 Oct 12

Jam thank you, top draw info. Williams and Collins up front for me with young Miles coming on to score the winner in the last ten minutes.

COYR

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mikek says...
9:01pm Mon 29 Oct 12

Hope Grim is watching sky sports tonight his mate is on TV its the one and only Ive got my arms folded Wilson. Looks more like a lump of cardboard.

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southside7 says...
9:11pm Mon 29 Oct 12

Oi Den! wrote:
I'd find it very hard not to pick Williams if he's fully fit. He could give Villa a real run for their money with his strength and turn of pace. I'm glad it's PDC's decision and not mine.
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Everything seems to be building towards a cracking cup tie.

Paolo loves him and am sure will do everything in his power to play him. Play him alongside DeVita and really take the b*stards on.

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Steve. Brentford says...
9:41pm Mon 29 Oct 12

Malkym wrote:

Steve. Brentford wrote:

Malkym wrote:
Steve. Brentford wrote:
Malkym wrote:
LeGod wrote: There's alot of talk in the media in Southampton that saints fans are turning on Adkins now and one of the favourites to replace him is Di Canio.
Le God I've just had a trawl (admittedly not thorough) on the Sothern Daily echo Site -can't see any references to di Canio -that's not to say there aren't any -just that his name isn't all over the sports pages and Adkins still has a good degree of support although the club itself is keeping schtum!(check my spelling Steve please?) Did like this Saints fans quote ->" Talk about a 'non story'. SFC refuses to comment on idle speculation from unknown source. Are there any real journalists working for the Echo? No wonder NC has no time for the media (Echo in particular)" Seems the Adver & Echo hacks do have someting in common :)
Tut tut, the correct way to spell schtum is.................. .................... .................... .................... .................... .........quiet,you see that's education Malky.
Fank you four your reply- see I knows wot you means but i can stil writ proper like wot you can :)
If you keep progressing at the rate you are i may make you a job offer Malky,something like reading the Newspapers out loud to me so i don't have to bother.Do you wear clingy little tight numbers?(that always helps sway me) on second thoughts keep that information to yourself,i`m about to eat.
Won't take me long to read the currant bun to you matey -don't see you as a Times man!

Tut tut as per usual Malky you jump to the conclusion that you may know someone,when really you could only know very little,i enjoy buying the Times fyi,due to its size, it covers most other types of magazines i may wish to read privately or conceal.
Not the Beano though Don,i will leave that to you mate,you can give them to the scouts you were asking about a few months ago :O)

[quote][p][bold]Malkym[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steve. Brentford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Malkym[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steve. Brentford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Malkym[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LeGod[/bold] wrote: There's alot of talk in the media in Southampton that saints fans are turning on Adkins now and one of the favourites to replace him is Di Canio.[/p][/quote]Le God I've just had a trawl (admittedly not thorough) on the Sothern Daily echo Site -can't see any references to di Canio -that's not to say there aren't any -just that his name isn't all over the sports pages and Adkins still has a good degree of support although the club itself is keeping schtum!(check my spelling Steve please?) Did like this Saints fans quote ->" Talk about a 'non story'. SFC refuses to comment on idle speculation from unknown source. Are there any real journalists working for the Echo? No wonder NC has no time for the media (Echo in particular)" Seems the Adver & Echo hacks do have someting in common :)[/p][/quote]Tut tut, the correct way to spell schtum is.................. .................... .................... .................... .................... .........quiet,you see that's education Malky.[/p][/quote]Fank you four your reply- see I knows wot you means but i can stil writ proper like wot you can :)[/p][/quote]If you keep progressing at the rate you are i may make you a job offer Malky,something like reading the Newspapers out loud to me so i don't have to bother.Do you wear clingy little tight numbers?(that always helps sway me) on second thoughts keep that information to yourself,i`m about to eat.[/p][/quote]Won't take me long to read the currant bun to you matey -don't see you as a Times man![/p][/quote]Tut tut as per usual Malky you jump to the conclusion that you may know someone,when really you could only know very little,i enjoy buying the Times fyi,due to its size, it covers most other types of magazines i may wish to read privately or conceal. Not the Beano though Don,i will leave that to you mate,you can give them to the scouts you were asking about a few months ago :O) Steve. Brentford

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the don69 says...
9:56pm Mon 29 Oct 12

Steve. Brentford wrote:

Malkym wrote:

Steve. Brentford wrote:

Malkym wrote:
Steve. Brentford wrote:
Malkym wrote:
LeGod wrote: There's alot of talk in the media in Southampton that saints fans are turning on Adkins now and one of the favourites to replace him is Di Canio.
Le God I've just had a trawl (admittedly not thorough) on the Sothern Daily echo Site -can't see any references to di Canio -that's not to say there aren't any -just that his name isn't all over the sports pages and Adkins still has a good degree of support although the club itself is keeping schtum!(check my spelling Steve please?) Did like this Saints fans quote ->" Talk about a 'non story'. SFC refuses to comment on idle speculation from unknown source. Are there any real journalists working for the Echo? No wonder NC has no time for the media (Echo in particular)" Seems the Adver & Echo hacks do have someting in common :)
Tut tut, the correct way to spell schtum is.................. .................... .................... .................... .................... .........quiet,you see that's education Malky.
Fank you four your reply- see I knows wot you means but i can stil writ proper like wot you can :)
If you keep progressing at the rate you are i may make you a job offer Malky,something like reading the Newspapers out loud to me so i don't have to bother.Do you wear clingy little tight numbers?(that always helps sway me) on second thoughts keep that information to yourself,i`m about to eat.
Won't take me long to read the currant bun to you matey -don't see you as a Times man!
Tut tut as per usual Malky you jump to the conclusion that you may know someone,when really you could only know very little,i enjoy buying the Times fyi,due to its size, it covers most other types of magazines i may wish to read privately or conceal.
Not the Beano though Don,i will leave that to you mate,you can give them to the scouts you were asking about a few months ago :O)

Think you mean old Trout Magazines then Steve?lol!!!!!!!!!

[quote][p][bold]Steve. Brentford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Malkym[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steve. Brentford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Malkym[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steve. Brentford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Malkym[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LeGod[/bold] wrote: There's alot of talk in the media in Southampton that saints fans are turning on Adkins now and one of the favourites to replace him is Di Canio.[/p][/quote]Le God I've just had a trawl (admittedly not thorough) on the Sothern Daily echo Site -can't see any references to di Canio -that's not to say there aren't any -just that his name isn't all over the sports pages and Adkins still has a good degree of support although the club itself is keeping schtum!(check my spelling Steve please?) Did like this Saints fans quote ->" Talk about a 'non story'. SFC refuses to comment on idle speculation from unknown source. Are there any real journalists working for the Echo? No wonder NC has no time for the media (Echo in particular)" Seems the Adver & Echo hacks do have someting in common :)[/p][/quote]Tut tut, the correct way to spell schtum is.................. .................... .................... .................... .................... .........quiet,you see that's education Malky.[/p][/quote]Fank you four your reply- see I knows wot you means but i can stil writ proper like wot you can :)[/p][/quote]If you keep progressing at the rate you are i may make you a job offer Malky,something like reading the Newspapers out loud to me so i don't have to bother.Do you wear clingy little tight numbers?(that always helps sway me) on second thoughts keep that information to yourself,i`m about to eat.[/p][/quote]Won't take me long to read the currant bun to you matey -don't see you as a Times man![/p][/quote]Tut tut as per usual Malky you jump to the conclusion that you may know someone,when really you could only know very little,i enjoy buying the Times fyi,due to its size, it covers most other types of magazines i may wish to read privately or conceal. Not the Beano though Don,i will leave that to you mate,you can give them to the scouts you were asking about a few months ago :O)[/p][/quote]Think you mean old Trout Magazines then Steve?lol!!!!!!!!! the don69

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Exmouth_red69 says...
10:05pm Mon 29 Oct 12

Oi Den! wrote:

SeanG92 wrote:
Of course PDC is going to be linked to just about every job going. thats what success does! It sounds like the tabloids trying to create a story more than anything guys.

Lets just focus on the match tomorrow :)
Nowt to do with the tabloids, Sean. The bookies have made PDC odds on favourite for the Saints job. They could be well wide of the mark of course. But they've obviously got information from somewhere that they believe is good. Whether it is or not is another matter.
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I don't think it would be a good move for him or them - but that's yet another matter.

I think it would be a good move, at least he wouldn't have read negative, over analysing comments from you and wizard anymore!

And maybe you would get a manager who deserves the sh!t you both keep coming out with. ;-)

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joey butler says...
10:10pm Mon 29 Oct 12

For the absolute avoidance of any doubt, I predict we will lose 1-5 to Villa,
PDC will be gone by the weekend and we will be lucky to avoid relegation this season.

The Wizard of Witney will be named as our new Manager and the County Ground will be renamed the Richard Head-Wizard Stadium. His Assistant Manager will be GlasRed, oh sorry, he is one of Wizards many multiple identities!! Saves money on Christmas cards!! And the Youth Team Coach will be Chish & Fips, another VERY close associate of our beloved Wizard.

If I am wrong I will of course be delighted and happily show my arse in Burtons window!!

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DarrenSTFCRomain says...
10:20pm Mon 29 Oct 12

joey butler wrote:
For the absolute avoidance of any doubt, I predict we will lose 1-5 to Villa, PDC will be gone by the weekend and we will be lucky to avoid relegation this season. The Wizard of Witney will be named as our new Manager and the County Ground will be renamed the Richard Head-Wizard Stadium. His Assistant Manager will be GlasRed, oh sorry, he is one of Wizards many multiple identities!! Saves money on Christmas cards!! And the Youth Team Coach will be Chish & Fips, another VERY close associate of our beloved Wizard. If I am wrong I will of course be delighted and happily show my arse in Burtons window!!

..AVE IT..

GO ON BUTLER BOY..
LET YHEM AVE IT

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the don69 says...
10:24pm Mon 29 Oct 12

DarrenSTFCRomain wrote:

joey butler wrote:
For the absolute avoidance of any doubt, I predict we will lose 1-5 to Villa, PDC will be gone by the weekend and we will be lucky to avoid relegation this season. The Wizard of Witney will be named as our new Manager and the County Ground will be renamed the Richard Head-Wizard Stadium. His Assistant Manager will be GlasRed, oh sorry, he is one of Wizards many multiple identities!! Saves money on Christmas cards!! And the Youth Team Coach will be Chish & Fips, another VERY close associate of our beloved Wizard. If I am wrong I will of course be delighted and happily show my arse in Burtons window!!
..AVE IT..

GO ON BUTLER BOY..
LET YHEM AVE IT

Villa Score Five? they wouldn't score that many in a brothel!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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DarrenSTFCRomain says...
10:28pm Mon 29 Oct 12

London Red wrote:
Sorry 6 injuries - Thompson Bessone Navarro Coke Williams and now Bostock

Bostocks 2nd game so i dont count him...
Bessone only a couple of games as well so like wise..Coke same...
Come 2 think of it the only player there who had played every game was Williams..

But thankfully Paolo used the squade this week and went with a very good attacking option.Such a shame we never did that for the scunny and crew game..lol

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DarrenSTFCRomain says...
10:46pm Mon 29 Oct 12

the don69 wrote:

DarrenSTFCRomain wrote:
joey butler wrote: For the absolute avoidance of any doubt, I predict we will lose 1-5 to Villa, PDC will be gone by the weekend and we will be lucky to avoid relegation this season. The Wizard of Witney will be named as our new Manager and the County Ground will be renamed the Richard Head-Wizard Stadium. His Assistant Manager will be GlasRed, oh sorry, he is one of Wizards many multiple identities!! Saves money on Christmas cards!! And the Youth Team Coach will be Chish & Fips, another VERY close associate of our beloved Wizard. If I am wrong I will of course be delighted and happily show my arse in Burtons window!!
..AVE IT.. GO ON BUTLER BOY.. LET YHEM AVE IT
Villa Score Five? they wouldn't score that many in a brothel!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They would if they know the women i do ?????

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Oi Den! says...
10:53pm Mon 29 Oct 12

Exmouth_red69 wrote:

Oi Den! wrote:

SeanG92 wrote:
Of course PDC is going to be linked to just about every job going. thats what success does! It sounds like the tabloids trying to create a story more than anything guys.

Lets just focus on the match tomorrow :)
Nowt to do with the tabloids, Sean. The bookies have made PDC odds on favourite for the Saints job. They could be well wide of the mark of course. But they've obviously got information from somewhere that they believe is good. Whether it is or not is another matter.
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I don't think it would be a good move for him or them - but that's yet another matter.
I think it would be a good move, at least he wouldn't have read negative, over analysing comments from you and wizard anymore!

And maybe you would get a manager who deserves the sh!t you both keep coming out with. ;-)

Excellent. Which negative post(s) of mine do you have in mind? It could be that my memory is failing me badly I suppose, but I thought I had been very positive in arguing that we have a good squad, we won't get relegated - as has been suggested - and even trying to convince the doubters that we have a good chance of promotion with the players we've got. I've said today that I think we are one player short of a title winning side. Not positive enough for you? I can take your abuse but it would be nice if you made a case instead of just coming out with random criticism.

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Malkym says...
11:14pm Mon 29 Oct 12

DarrenSTFCRomain wrote:

the don69 wrote:
DarrenSTFCRomain wrote:
joey butler wrote: For the absolute avoidance of any doubt, I predict we will lose 1-5 to Villa, PDC will be gone by the weekend and we will be lucky to avoid relegation this season. The Wizard of Witney will be named as our new Manager and the County Ground will be renamed the Richard Head-Wizard Stadium. His Assistant Manager will be GlasRed, oh sorry, he is one of Wizards many multiple identities!! Saves money on Christmas cards!! And the Youth Team Coach will be Chish & Fips, another VERY close associate of our beloved Wizard. If I am wrong I will of course be delighted and happily show my arse in Burtons window!!
..AVE IT.. GO ON BUTLER BOY.. LET YHEM AVE IT
Villa Score Five? they wouldn't score that many in a brothel!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They would if they know the women i do ?????

Got any phone numbers Dazzler lol!!

Oh and Butler! loved it -can just see your arse in Burtons window -bet you'd make a good motorbike parking space!

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SAPFanSTFC says...
11:16pm Mon 29 Oct 12

London Red wrote:
Den we've been through this before and you adding numbers on the top doesn't make an arguement
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We will never have a squad big enough to have 20, 30 or now 95 injuries! So why say it?
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It DOES matter how many we have out and this has nothing to do with PdC - but because as every week passes and we get another added on that list we have less and less to pick from and are now very close to not having enough!
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We are now down to only 15 pros - 2 of them are keepers so that is 13 to fill 10 starting spots - not much cover or options there!
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So if those 13 are 4 fullbacks 4 centre backs 4 centre midfielders and a winger is that OK as we still have 11? It doesn't matter that we don't any in certain positions?
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I know we are not in that situation (yet) - but we are getting there with only 2 CM and 1 real fullback!
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SAP totally untrue - I just won't have a pointless arguement about your job as I don't actually care about that!
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If you want to discuss STFC then fine!
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Also start reading my posts before just having a pop as I clearly answered your question about Villa
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Also one game shows nothing as it is that one game!
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Wiz - saying you would playing him for the next 4 is saying you expect him to score the goals to beat Villa and Sheff U
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Do you expect him to do that? Don't you think that is a big ask/responsibility for a 18 year old with 1 start to his name?
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What happens if he misses a few like Collins has - do we all have to then turn on him? What would that do to him?

Your quote LR:
"SAP totally untrue - I just won't have a pointless arguement about your job as I don't actually care about that! . If you want to discuss STFC then fine! ."
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Strangely enough you were the one who raised the Project Manager losing a promised member of the team and comparing it to PDC - my comment is that you and I would not react in the same way....etc. etc.
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I think you realised how silly the comparison was on this occasion but you don't seem to admit to it....why you'd want to talk about either of our jobs I don't know but don't compare the embargo situation and PDC's reaction to a Project Manager's role...on THIS one occasion...farcical.
..otherwise you make good points.....sometimes
!! :-)

[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Den we've been through this before and you adding numbers on the top doesn't make an arguement . We will never have a squad big enough to have 20, 30 or now 95 injuries! So why say it? . It DOES matter how many we have out and this has nothing to do with PdC - but because as every week passes and we get another added on that list we have less and less to pick from and are now very close to not having enough! . We are now down to only 15 pros - 2 of them are keepers so that is 13 to fill 10 starting spots - not much cover or options there! . So if those 13 are 4 fullbacks 4 centre backs 4 centre midfielders and a winger is that OK as we still have 11? It doesn't matter that we don't any in certain positions? . I know we are not in that situation (yet) - but we are getting there with only 2 CM and 1 real fullback! . SAP totally untrue - I just won't have a pointless arguement about your job as I don't actually care about that! . If you want to discuss STFC then fine! . Also start reading my posts before just having a pop as I clearly answered your question about Villa . Also one game shows nothing as it is that one game! . Wiz - saying you would playing him for the next 4 is saying you expect him to score the goals to beat Villa and Sheff U . Do you expect him to do that? Don't you think that is a big ask/responsibility for a 18 year old with 1 start to his name? . What happens if he misses a few like Collins has - do we all have to then turn on him? What would that do to him?[/p][/quote]Your quote LR: "SAP totally untrue - I just won't have a pointless arguement about your job as I don't actually care about that! . If you want to discuss STFC then fine! ." ---. Strangely enough you were the one who raised the Project Manager losing a promised member of the team and comparing it to PDC - my comment is that you and I would not react in the same way....etc. etc. ---. I think you realised how silly the comparison was on this occasion but you don't seem to admit to it....why you'd want to talk about either of our jobs I don't know but don't compare the embargo situation and PDC's reaction to a Project Manager's role...on THIS one occasion...farcical. ..otherwise you make good points.....sometimes !! :-) SAPFanSTFC

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SAPFanSTFC says...
11:20pm Mon 29 Oct 12

DarrenSTFCRomain wrote:

the don69 wrote:

DarrenSTFCRomain wrote:
joey butler wrote: For the absolute avoidance of any doubt, I predict we will lose 1-5 to Villa, PDC will be gone by the weekend and we will be lucky to avoid relegation this season. The Wizard of Witney will be named as our new Manager and the County Ground will be renamed the Richard Head-Wizard Stadium. His Assistant Manager will be GlasRed, oh sorry, he is one of Wizards many multiple identities!! Saves money on Christmas cards!! And the Youth Team Coach will be Chish & Fips, another VERY close associate of our beloved Wizard. If I am wrong I will of course be delighted and happily show my arse in Burtons window!!
..AVE IT.. GO ON BUTLER BOY.. LET YHEM AVE IT
Villa Score Five? they wouldn't score that many in a brothel!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They would if they know the women i do ?????

They'd shoot too early and hit the brazier....(err bar).
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Not a chance of 5!!....our scoreboard doesn't go that high does it!?

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joey butler says...
12:09am Tue 30 Oct 12

Malkym wrote:

DarrenSTFCRomain wrote:

the don69 wrote:
DarrenSTFCRomain wrote:
joey butler wrote: For the absolute avoidance of any doubt, I predict we will lose 1-5 to Villa, PDC will be gone by the weekend and we will be lucky to avoid relegation this season. The Wizard of Witney will be named as our new Manager and the County Ground will be renamed the Richard Head-Wizard Stadium. His Assistant Manager will be GlasRed, oh sorry, he is one of Wizards many multiple identities!! Saves money on Christmas cards!! And the Youth Team Coach will be Chish & Fips, another VERY close associate of our beloved Wizard. If I am wrong I will of course be delighted and happily show my arse in Burtons window!!
..AVE IT.. GO ON BUTLER BOY.. LET YHEM AVE IT
Villa Score Five? they wouldn't score that many in a brothel!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They would if they know the women i do ?????
Got any phone numbers Dazzler lol!!

Oh and Butler! loved it -can just see your arse in Burtons window -bet you'd make a good motorbike parking space!

We need to move with the times Malky, just pleased you did not suggest a quad bike!!!

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