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PDC ponders contracts

Swindon Advertiser: Paolo Di Canio Paolo Di Canio

THE Swindon Town management will address the contractual situation of several members of the club’s squad in January as they look to build for next season.

A number of key players, including Alan McCormack, Simon Ferry and Aden Flint, will see their current deals with Town expire at the end of the campaign but manager Paolo Di Canio delayed negotiating new terms as he handled the onset of the transfer embargo and a host of injuries.

Now, however, with the ban on registering new players lifted and the casualty list beginning to diminish, the Robins boss has revealed he will open talks in earnest at the turn of the year.

He said: “I couldn’t because we have the picture in front of us, we know who’s going to finish his contract under me, under us, under the club but it’s not the moment.

“With the embargo, with injuries, with many problems we couldn’t think about some players - maybe five or six, but not many - it’s not the moment.

“We’ve got many difficulties. We can see what is going on in the future.

“Now it’s clear the plan is two years to reach the Championship but it depends what we do in two months. The plan can change from the board who make decisions, not even me, so how can I take the responsibility for something that we don’t know what’s going on? It’s not the time. In January for sure, it depends where we stay, we are going to make decisions looking forward for the next three months or even for the future “Paolo Di Canio has a two-year contract but anyway there is a new situation on top, in the board, everything can happen. That is not a message I am sending but you have to be honest.

“Everything can happen so how can I think now about renewing the contract of Flint, Devera? I can’t. The priority is the squad now, to get results now, to try to give the fans good performances, enough points to stay away from dangerous situations and in January maybe, if the plan keeps going with the same idea, we can start not in April but in January.”

Di Canio also hinted that McCormack would have already triggered an extension clause within his contract had Swindon not been in embargo.

He said: “With McCormack there is a sort of promise. We can’t go through straight away now, also because of the embargo.

“We couldn’t increase it. There is some clause that with someone maybe the new contract starts from next year but increase a bit this year maybe already, “We worked already at the end of September, under embargo, we made a promise but in this moment after the many problems we’ve got we stopped for a bit.

“Now the players understand and also they only think they have to play because if they want to stay in here or go to another place, if they want the best contract they have to do the best they have done until now.

“We are talking, not only with McCormack. Everything was frozen. We said we would wait until January. Everyone has to do their job properly and then we are going to start if the plan is clear, it depends on the plan.”

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8:16am Sat 10 Nov 12

Malkym says...

Well now this article doesn't promote the widely held view that our man is off to Saints anytime soon does it?
Well now this article doesn't promote the widely held view that our man is off to Saints anytime soon does it? Malkym
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8:21am Sat 10 Nov 12

Chish and Fips says...

Malkym wrote:
Well now this article doesn't promote the widely held view that our man is off to Saints anytime soon does it?
Yes seems like it was another of Grims fairy tales - like the one that Dickie Dosh was going to be the STFC manager when PDC was taken on.
[quote][p][bold]Malkym[/bold] wrote: Well now this article doesn't promote the widely held view that our man is off to Saints anytime soon does it?[/p][/quote]Yes seems like it was another of Grims fairy tales - like the one that Dickie Dosh was going to be the STFC manager when PDC was taken on. Chish and Fips
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8:33am Sat 10 Nov 12

HardCorePrawn says...

I can't see Southampton being interested but, if it happened, Adkins would be an excellent replacement !
I can't see Southampton being interested but, if it happened, Adkins would be an excellent replacement ! HardCorePrawn
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8:34am Sat 10 Nov 12

SAPFanSTFC says...

He can't exactly say - hang on - I may not be here so don't want to talk about it can he?
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I didn't think there was any substance at all in the rumours but when you get people who live in and around London and who are totally unconnected with either club but who do have significant knowledge of the game from another angle - it does make you wonder.
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...and then on top of this another voice more local changes their tune big-time - one day later again they have nothing to gain from it or any rumour...it certainly makes me look at it in another light.
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If he's still here in December then we know it was all a bookies attempt to get all the money onto Paolo as a diversion ....interesting approach.
He can't exactly say - hang on - I may not be here so don't want to talk about it can he? --- I didn't think there was any substance at all in the rumours but when you get people who live in and around London and who are totally unconnected with either club but who do have significant knowledge of the game from another angle - it does make you wonder. --- ...and then on top of this another voice more local changes their tune big-time - one day later again they have nothing to gain from it or any rumour...it certainly makes me look at it in another light. ... If he's still here in December then we know it was all a bookies attempt to get all the money onto Paolo as a diversion ....interesting approach. SAPFanSTFC
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8:36am Sat 10 Nov 12

SAPFanSTFC says...

Predictions League is on the second page by the way:
http://www.thisisswi
ndontownfc.co.uk/new
s/10039235.PREDICTIO
NS_LEAGUE__Walsall_v
_Swindon/
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Sorry but my project's new computer system goes live in a week so things have been unusually busy.
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I will get all the scores up to date this weekend though....including Warsaw away.... :-)
Predictions League is on the second page by the way: http://www.thisisswi ndontownfc.co.uk/new s/10039235.PREDICTIO NS_LEAGUE__Walsall_v _Swindon/ === Sorry but my project's new computer system goes live in a week so things have been unusually busy. --- I will get all the scores up to date this weekend though....including Warsaw away.... :-) SAPFanSTFC
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8:45am Sat 10 Nov 12

bristol_red says...

See today as a must win game. With teams around us playing each other, good opportunity for us to get back into the top six. Then need to get the home form going in next two games to really push on.

COYRs
See today as a must win game. With teams around us playing each other, good opportunity for us to get back into the top six. Then need to get the home form going in next two games to really push on. COYRs bristol_red
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8:58am Sat 10 Nov 12

Malkym says...

SAPFanSTFC wrote:
He can't exactly say - hang on - I may not be here so don't want to talk about it can he? --- I didn't think there was any substance at all in the rumours but when you get people who live in and around London and who are totally unconnected with either club but who do have significant knowledge of the game from another angle - it does make you wonder. --- ...and then on top of this another voice more local changes their tune big-time - one day later again they have nothing to gain from it or any rumour...it certainly makes me look at it in another light. ... If he's still here in December then we know it was all a bookies attempt to get all the money onto Paolo as a diversion ....interesting approach.
SAP agreed he can't say so and my gut feeling is that if he does go Saints would be odds on - near to where he is already living & where his daughter is studying. I'm rather resigned to him going but obviously hope he doesn't. Will be looking for Saints result v Swans today and C -wrapping myself if they lose to see what happens - I really hope your "bookies ploy" suggestion proves to be correct!
[quote][p][bold]SAPFanSTFC[/bold] wrote: He can't exactly say - hang on - I may not be here so don't want to talk about it can he? --- I didn't think there was any substance at all in the rumours but when you get people who live in and around London and who are totally unconnected with either club but who do have significant knowledge of the game from another angle - it does make you wonder. --- ...and then on top of this another voice more local changes their tune big-time - one day later again they have nothing to gain from it or any rumour...it certainly makes me look at it in another light. ... If he's still here in December then we know it was all a bookies attempt to get all the money onto Paolo as a diversion ....interesting approach.[/p][/quote]SAP agreed he can't say so and my gut feeling is that if he does go Saints would be odds on - near to where he is already living & where his daughter is studying. I'm rather resigned to him going but obviously hope he doesn't. Will be looking for Saints result v Swans today and C -wrapping myself if they lose to see what happens - I really hope your "bookies ploy" suggestion proves to be correct! Malkym
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9:25am Sat 10 Nov 12

the don69 says...

Malkym wrote:
Well now this article doesn't promote the widely held view that our man is off to Saints anytime soon does it?
No Malky!cause Saints still got a manager(for now) and Paolo ain't been offered the job!if in the future he is,what do you think his answer will be????????
[quote][p][bold]Malkym[/bold] wrote: Well now this article doesn't promote the widely held view that our man is off to Saints anytime soon does it?[/p][/quote]No Malky!cause Saints still got a manager(for now) and Paolo ain't been offered the job!if in the future he is,what do you think his answer will be???????? the don69
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9:26am Sat 10 Nov 12

Haydonender says...

The contracts this year could be quite a difficult decision as it will really depend on how likely we are to be in the Championship next season. Some of our current squad wouldn't cut it in the Championship and we don't want to end up like this year, having to pay off people's contracts who weren't good enough to be in the league above. Hopefully we can put it off until we have a clearer idea where we will be.
The contracts this year could be quite a difficult decision as it will really depend on how likely we are to be in the Championship next season. Some of our current squad wouldn't cut it in the Championship and we don't want to end up like this year, having to pay off people's contracts who weren't good enough to be in the league above. Hopefully we can put it off until we have a clearer idea where we will be. Haydonender
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9:29am Sat 10 Nov 12

Malkym says...

the don69 wrote:
Malkym wrote: Well now this article doesn't promote the widely held view that our man is off to Saints anytime soon does it?
No Malky!cause Saints still got a manager(for now) and Paolo ain't been offered the job!if in the future he is,what do you think his answer will be????????
see above Don - right gotta go off to Walsall!
[quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Malkym[/bold] wrote: Well now this article doesn't promote the widely held view that our man is off to Saints anytime soon does it?[/p][/quote]No Malky!cause Saints still got a manager(for now) and Paolo ain't been offered the job!if in the future he is,what do you think his answer will be????????[/p][/quote]see above Don - right gotta go off to Walsall! Malkym
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9:47am Sat 10 Nov 12

BillyLucas4me says...

Hopefully as the man of honour he claims to be he will say 'I am under contract to Swindon Town who I expect to be promoted as promised but a year earlier than my target date. If achieved I have another year to consolidate that position."
Hopefully as the man of honour he claims to be he will say 'I am under contract to Swindon Town who I expect to be promoted as promised but a year earlier than my target date. If achieved I have another year to consolidate that position." BillyLucas4me
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9:49am Sat 10 Nov 12

London Red says...

Lets not forget (which most ranter and ravers on here clearly have) is that some players were signed last year with the sole purpose of getting us promoted and then being moved on as they were only ever seen as L2 players - this included players on 2 year deals!!!!!
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Connell and Smith are prime examples
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Now some say that they were "wasted money" but as this strategy was FULLY AGREED by the board up front - they must NOT agree especially as they sanctioned the moves (both in and out)
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Is spending £130k to get promoted really a waste - if promotion delivers much more than that in revenue going forward?
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Also our trip to Wembley which was worth about £250-500k (based on other clubs estimations) would have paid for them alone (and a few others moved on) - and we all know Connell and Smith played a big role in getting there!
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I don't think many players signed perm this season fit that bill - as it is easier to get players in L1 than L2
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The only one which would seem to fit that is Miller as he is 33 - but he was given a one year deal - assuming that if we went up he would be released at no cost having done his job
Lets not forget (which most ranter and ravers on here clearly have) is that some players were signed last year with the sole purpose of getting us promoted and then being moved on as they were only ever seen as L2 players - this included players on 2 year deals!!!!! . Connell and Smith are prime examples . Now some say that they were "wasted money" but as this strategy was FULLY AGREED by the board up front - they must NOT agree especially as they sanctioned the moves (both in and out) . Is spending £130k to get promoted really a waste - if promotion delivers much more than that in revenue going forward? . Also our trip to Wembley which was worth about £250-500k (based on other clubs estimations) would have paid for them alone (and a few others moved on) - and we all know Connell and Smith played a big role in getting there! . I don't think many players signed perm this season fit that bill - as it is easier to get players in L1 than L2 . The only one which would seem to fit that is Miller as he is 33 - but he was given a one year deal - assuming that if we went up he would be released at no cost having done his job London Red
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9:49am Sat 10 Nov 12

TelSTFC says...

Regarding Saints. I live in Portsmouth & travel up to watch the town lived in Swindon most of my life and was born there.
My girlfriend is a saints season ticket holder and when our clubs games dont clash etc i watch the saints and she comes with me to the CG.
The general feeling at St Marys is they dont want to lose Adkins as he has done wonders for the club. Most of the supporters are behind him.
Also i cant see how Cortese would work with Paolo? They are both very outspoken individuals.

Behind the scenes Cortese would be getting a plan B together but he has backed Adkins for now. I think personally that he will be given two or three more games.
I do agree that PDC going on about the plan changing, embargo and directors seems to me that he is not as happy as before.

Most of the Southampton fans dont want PDC as he slates the players in public and they want an experienced PL Manager. Adkins management style is totally different but not working at present.

I hope we keep Paolo as he done wonders last season and we are still in a great position at the moment.

Surely Redknapp has the experience although the saints fans dont really like him. I would put him above PDC first as they do need someone with PL experience.

Anyway lets hope we get a good win at Walsall and we keep Paolo
PDC is way above most of the recent managers weve had.
Regarding Saints. I live in Portsmouth & travel up to watch the town lived in Swindon most of my life and was born there. My girlfriend is a saints season ticket holder and when our clubs games dont clash etc i watch the saints and she comes with me to the CG. The general feeling at St Marys is they dont want to lose Adkins as he has done wonders for the club. Most of the supporters are behind him. Also i cant see how Cortese would work with Paolo? They are both very outspoken individuals. Behind the scenes Cortese would be getting a plan B together but he has backed Adkins for now. I think personally that he will be given two or three more games. I do agree that PDC going on about the plan changing, embargo and directors seems to me that he is not as happy as before. Most of the Southampton fans dont want PDC as he slates the players in public and they want an experienced PL Manager. Adkins management style is totally different but not working at present. I hope we keep Paolo as he done wonders last season and we are still in a great position at the moment. Surely Redknapp has the experience although the saints fans dont really like him. I would put him above PDC first as they do need someone with PL experience. Anyway lets hope we get a good win at Walsall and we keep Paolo PDC is way above most of the recent managers weve had. TelSTFC
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9:59am Sat 10 Nov 12

Stilloyal says...

PDC won't be going anywhere this season, he will see out the plan and get us to the championship . Maybe then he will move on.
PDC won't be going anywhere this season, he will see out the plan and get us to the championship . Maybe then he will move on. Stilloyal
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10:24am Sat 10 Nov 12

Davidsyrett says...

PdC wouldn't go to Southampton, there's no way he could work with their chairman. Also it's not that Atkins is a bad manager, they've got a poor team, championship at best not premiership, short of massive money being invested in January, I can't see them staying up whoever is in charge. PdC wouldn't want to add a relegation to his CV!

PdC is still work in progress, get us promoted again, then there maybe serious enquiries. but I doubt whether there's many, if any premiership clubs looking to take him on at the moment. As long as PdC doesn't fall out with the board I expect to be here at least to the end of next season.

Footnote: I thought we were looking at championship football next season not in 2 years time!!!
PdC wouldn't go to Southampton, there's no way he could work with their chairman. Also it's not that Atkins is a bad manager, they've got a poor team, championship at best not premiership, short of massive money being invested in January, I can't see them staying up whoever is in charge. PdC wouldn't want to add a relegation to his CV! PdC is still work in progress, get us promoted again, then there maybe serious enquiries. but I doubt whether there's many, if any premiership clubs looking to take him on at the moment. As long as PdC doesn't fall out with the board I expect to be here at least to the end of next season. Footnote: I thought we were looking at championship football next season not in 2 years time!!! Davidsyrett
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10:27am Sat 10 Nov 12

Oi Den! says...

London Red wrote:
Lets not forget (which most ranter and ravers on here clearly have) is that some players were signed last year with the sole purpose of getting us promoted and then being moved on as they were only ever seen as L2 players - this included players on 2 year deals!!!!!
.
Connell and Smith are prime examples
.
Now some say that they were "wasted money" but as this strategy was FULLY AGREED by the board up front - they must NOT agree especially as they sanctioned the moves (both in and out)
.
Is spending £130k to get promoted really a waste - if promotion delivers much more than that in revenue going forward?
.
Also our trip to Wembley which was worth about £250-500k (based on other clubs estimations) would have paid for them alone (and a few others moved on) - and we all know Connell and Smith played a big role in getting there!
.
I don't think many players signed perm this season fit that bill - as it is easier to get players in L1 than L2
.
The only one which would seem to fit that is Miller as he is 33 - but he was given a one year deal - assuming that if we went up he would be released at no cost having done his job
Agree LR. We take one step at a time and many players have to be bought for the immediate task in hand. We would all like the club to sign players who are capable of competing at a higher level. The reality is that those players are often too expensive, and if they are good enough they don't want to drop down to this level anyway.
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A point on the embargo. I always thought the club was bullsh1tting about being caught out by having to pay the tribunal fees up front. First of all, the League's rules make no mention of instalment payments, so there is absolutely no reason to be caught out. Secondly, as you have correctly pointed out, it is our projected - not actual - expenditure that is used in calculating the player costs/turnover percentage - so what difference does it make that the payments had to be made up front? Also, JW said that the fees were reasonable from our point of view, so I don't see how these fees can have been the cause of the problem, aside from the fact that they form part of the total spend.
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You've had a pop at people for suggesting that PDC blew the budget early in the season. But that is exactly what he has done, even if the cash has not physically left the club yet. Maybe it wasn't his job to keep an eye on the costs. Perhaps JW and NW were at fault there. But there's no getting away from the fact that the embargo was caused by spending too much too soon. I think the truth is that PDC has realised that many of his acquisitions - notably midfield players - are not as good as he thought they were. Hence the desperate plea to the board to get the embargo lifted and the resorting to hoofball because of his lack of belief in the midfield players.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Lets not forget (which most ranter and ravers on here clearly have) is that some players were signed last year with the sole purpose of getting us promoted and then being moved on as they were only ever seen as L2 players - this included players on 2 year deals!!!!! . Connell and Smith are prime examples . Now some say that they were "wasted money" but as this strategy was FULLY AGREED by the board up front - they must NOT agree especially as they sanctioned the moves (both in and out) . Is spending £130k to get promoted really a waste - if promotion delivers much more than that in revenue going forward? . Also our trip to Wembley which was worth about £250-500k (based on other clubs estimations) would have paid for them alone (and a few others moved on) - and we all know Connell and Smith played a big role in getting there! . I don't think many players signed perm this season fit that bill - as it is easier to get players in L1 than L2 . The only one which would seem to fit that is Miller as he is 33 - but he was given a one year deal - assuming that if we went up he would be released at no cost having done his job[/p][/quote]Agree LR. We take one step at a time and many players have to be bought for the immediate task in hand. We would all like the club to sign players who are capable of competing at a higher level. The reality is that those players are often too expensive, and if they are good enough they don't want to drop down to this level anyway. . A point on the embargo. I always thought the club was bullsh1tting about being caught out by having to pay the tribunal fees up front. First of all, the League's rules make no mention of instalment payments, so there is absolutely no reason to be caught out. Secondly, as you have correctly pointed out, it is our projected - not actual - expenditure that is used in calculating the player costs/turnover percentage - so what difference does it make that the payments had to be made up front? Also, JW said that the fees were reasonable from our point of view, so I don't see how these fees can have been the cause of the problem, aside from the fact that they form part of the total spend. . You've had a pop at people for suggesting that PDC blew the budget early in the season. But that is exactly what he has done, even if the cash has not physically left the club yet. Maybe it wasn't his job to keep an eye on the costs. Perhaps JW and NW were at fault there. But there's no getting away from the fact that the embargo was caused by spending too much too soon. I think the truth is that PDC has realised that many of his acquisitions - notably midfield players - are not as good as he thought they were. Hence the desperate plea to the board to get the embargo lifted and the resorting to hoofball because of his lack of belief in the midfield players. Oi Den!
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10:31am Sat 10 Nov 12

LeGod says...

My personal view is he will see out the season with us and move in the summer as he is getting more recognition and with a couple of comments that have been made at the top within the club plus the embargo i think this has wound him up.
His two daughters go to university in Southampton so if he goes it will be in the south or a London club.
As for saints fans not wanting PDC Cortese wouldnt worry who the fans want as he is arrogant and is very difficult towards some of the ex saints players like Le Tissier who he makes buy tickets for games and also Cortese rented a house from francis benali and cortese made some structural changes to the house and now Benali is suing him. PDC would no doubt clash big time with Cortese but he would with most chairmen in the premier league non more so that the likes of the board at west ham as well.
My personal view is he will see out the season with us and move in the summer as he is getting more recognition and with a couple of comments that have been made at the top within the club plus the embargo i think this has wound him up. His two daughters go to university in Southampton so if he goes it will be in the south or a London club. As for saints fans not wanting PDC Cortese wouldnt worry who the fans want as he is arrogant and is very difficult towards some of the ex saints players like Le Tissier who he makes buy tickets for games and also Cortese rented a house from francis benali and cortese made some structural changes to the house and now Benali is suing him. PDC would no doubt clash big time with Cortese but he would with most chairmen in the premier league non more so that the likes of the board at west ham as well. LeGod
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10:44am Sat 10 Nov 12

DarrenSTFCRomain says...

the don69 wrote:
Malkym wrote: Well now this article doesn't promote the widely held view that our man is off to Saints anytime soon does it?
No Malky!cause Saints still got a manager(for now) and Paolo ain't been offered the job!if in the future he is,what do you think his answer will be????????
There is no way Saint or any championdhip let alone p/ship club would trust pdc with there club...

Look at the clubs that have just sacked or parted with there managers...
There was not 1 phone call to STFC asking 2 talk to pdc...
[quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Malkym[/bold] wrote: Well now this article doesn't promote the widely held view that our man is off to Saints anytime soon does it?[/p][/quote]No Malky!cause Saints still got a manager(for now) and Paolo ain't been offered the job!if in the future he is,what do you think his answer will be????????[/p][/quote]There is no way Saint or any championdhip let alone p/ship club would trust pdc with there club... Look at the clubs that have just sacked or parted with there managers... There was not 1 phone call to STFC asking 2 talk to pdc... DarrenSTFCRomain
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11:02am Sat 10 Nov 12

mancrobin says...

DarrenSTFCRomain wrote:
the don69 wrote:
Malkym wrote: Well now this article doesn't promote the widely held view that our man is off to Saints anytime soon does it?
No Malky!cause Saints still got a manager(for now) and Paolo ain't been offered the job!if in the future he is,what do you think his answer will be????????
There is no way Saint or any championdhip let alone p/ship club would trust pdc with there club...

Look at the clubs that have just sacked or parted with there managers...
There was not 1 phone call to STFC asking 2 talk to pdc...
I think that's right, I can't see why another club, especially a premiership club, would want him at present.

The only fans that seemed to want him was West Ham and I haven't heard that they have been calling his name recently. Certainly Bolton fans I spoke to didn't want him.

However, if he does get us promoted again this season and puts together a run like last year then all of that will change.
[quote][p][bold]DarrenSTFCRomain[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Malkym[/bold] wrote: Well now this article doesn't promote the widely held view that our man is off to Saints anytime soon does it?[/p][/quote]No Malky!cause Saints still got a manager(for now) and Paolo ain't been offered the job!if in the future he is,what do you think his answer will be????????[/p][/quote]There is no way Saint or any championdhip let alone p/ship club would trust pdc with there club... Look at the clubs that have just sacked or parted with there managers... There was not 1 phone call to STFC asking 2 talk to pdc...[/p][/quote]I think that's right, I can't see why another club, especially a premiership club, would want him at present. The only fans that seemed to want him was West Ham and I haven't heard that they have been calling his name recently. Certainly Bolton fans I spoke to didn't want him. However, if he does get us promoted again this season and puts together a run like last year then all of that will change. mancrobin
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11:45am Sat 10 Nov 12

SAPFanSTFC says...

Malkym wrote:
SAPFanSTFC wrote:
He can't exactly say - hang on - I may not be here so don't want to talk about it can he? --- I didn't think there was any substance at all in the rumours but when you get people who live in and around London and who are totally unconnected with either club but who do have significant knowledge of the game from another angle - it does make you wonder. --- ...and then on top of this another voice more local changes their tune big-time - one day later again they have nothing to gain from it or any rumour...it certainly makes me look at it in another light. ... If he's still here in December then we know it was all a bookies attempt to get all the money onto Paolo as a diversion ....interesting approach.
SAP agreed he can't say so and my gut feeling is that if he does go Saints would be odds on - near to where he is already living & where his daughter is studying. I'm rather resigned to him going but obviously hope he doesn't. Will be looking for Saints result v Swans today and C -wrapping myself if they lose to see what happens - I really hope your "bookies ploy" suggestion proves to be correct!
So do I...although a straight swap of manager if not?
:-)
[quote][p][bold]Malkym[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAPFanSTFC[/bold] wrote: He can't exactly say - hang on - I may not be here so don't want to talk about it can he? --- I didn't think there was any substance at all in the rumours but when you get people who live in and around London and who are totally unconnected with either club but who do have significant knowledge of the game from another angle - it does make you wonder. --- ...and then on top of this another voice more local changes their tune big-time - one day later again they have nothing to gain from it or any rumour...it certainly makes me look at it in another light. ... If he's still here in December then we know it was all a bookies attempt to get all the money onto Paolo as a diversion ....interesting approach.[/p][/quote]SAP agreed he can't say so and my gut feeling is that if he does go Saints would be odds on - near to where he is already living & where his daughter is studying. I'm rather resigned to him going but obviously hope he doesn't. Will be looking for Saints result v Swans today and C -wrapping myself if they lose to see what happens - I really hope your "bookies ploy" suggestion proves to be correct![/p][/quote]So do I...although a straight swap of manager if not? :-) SAPFanSTFC
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12:00pm Sat 10 Nov 12

DarrenSTFCRomain says...

mancrobin wrote:
DarrenSTFCRomain wrote:
the don69 wrote:
Malkym wrote: Well now this article doesn't promote the widely held view that our man is off to Saints anytime soon does it?
No Malky!cause Saints still got a manager(for now) and Paolo ain't been offered the job!if in the future he is,what do you think his answer will be????????
There is no way Saint or any championdhip let alone p/ship club would trust pdc with there club... Look at the clubs that have just sacked or parted with there managers... There was not 1 phone call to STFC asking 2 talk to pdc...
I think that's right, I can't see why another club, especially a premiership club, would want him at present. The only fans that seemed to want him was West Ham and I haven't heard that they have been calling his name recently. Certainly Bolton fans I spoke to didn't want him. However, if he does get us promoted again this season and puts together a run like last year then all of that will change.
Dont think they will as his first question will be HOW MUCH DO I HAVE TO SPEND?..

HOPE he stay and gets use promoted but cant see him and the new chairman working..

SWP was bought in to see were the money is going and to make sure we stay in budget for other investers..
[quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DarrenSTFCRomain[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Malkym[/bold] wrote: Well now this article doesn't promote the widely held view that our man is off to Saints anytime soon does it?[/p][/quote]No Malky!cause Saints still got a manager(for now) and Paolo ain't been offered the job!if in the future he is,what do you think his answer will be????????[/p][/quote]There is no way Saint or any championdhip let alone p/ship club would trust pdc with there club... Look at the clubs that have just sacked or parted with there managers... There was not 1 phone call to STFC asking 2 talk to pdc...[/p][/quote]I think that's right, I can't see why another club, especially a premiership club, would want him at present. The only fans that seemed to want him was West Ham and I haven't heard that they have been calling his name recently. Certainly Bolton fans I spoke to didn't want him. However, if he does get us promoted again this season and puts together a run like last year then all of that will change.[/p][/quote]Dont think they will as his first question will be HOW MUCH DO I HAVE TO SPEND?.. HOPE he stay and gets use promoted but cant see him and the new chairman working.. SWP was bought in to see were the money is going and to make sure we stay in budget for other investers.. DarrenSTFCRomain
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1:18pm Sat 10 Nov 12

Davethered says...

Just seen on football focus Ian Holloway was interviewed for the Town job a while ago and they didn't want him.
A top bloke like him would have done good here
Just seen on football focus Ian Holloway was interviewed for the Town job a while ago and they didn't want him. A top bloke like him would have done good here Davethered
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1:26pm Sat 10 Nov 12

umpcah says...

Davethered wrote:
Just seen on football focus Ian Holloway was interviewed for the Town job a while ago and they didn't want him.
A top bloke like him would have done good here
Ian`s interest in managing Swindon Town was well publicised at the time but I think you`ll find that he was not interviewed.
[quote][p][bold]Davethered[/bold] wrote: Just seen on football focus Ian Holloway was interviewed for the Town job a while ago and they didn't want him. A top bloke like him would have done good here[/p][/quote]Ian`s interest in managing Swindon Town was well publicised at the time but I think you`ll find that he was not interviewed. umpcah
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4:37pm Sat 10 Nov 12

old town robin says...

umpcah wrote:
Davethered wrote:
Just seen on football focus Ian Holloway was interviewed for the Town job a while ago and they didn't want him.
A top bloke like him would have done good here
Ian`s interest in managing Swindon Town was well publicised at the time but I think you`ll find that he was not interviewed.
think you got it right Umpah, believe he attended a match in the town end in disguise when Wilson was close to walking and Fitton came out and said he wasn't interested in Holloway, presumally as he prefered to keep a yes-man like Wilson. Good job paolo never applied when Fitton was still running the show.
[quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davethered[/bold] wrote: Just seen on football focus Ian Holloway was interviewed for the Town job a while ago and they didn't want him. A top bloke like him would have done good here[/p][/quote]Ian`s interest in managing Swindon Town was well publicised at the time but I think you`ll find that he was not interviewed.[/p][/quote]think you got it right Umpah, believe he attended a match in the town end in disguise when Wilson was close to walking and Fitton came out and said he wasn't interested in Holloway, presumally as he prefered to keep a yes-man like Wilson. Good job paolo never applied when Fitton was still running the show. old town robin
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10:00pm Sat 10 Nov 12

EeeByGum says...

Ian Holloway actually said he was interviwed but not offered the job.
Ian Holloway actually said he was interviwed but not offered the job. EeeByGum
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11:17pm Sat 10 Nov 12

Dover Red says...

DarrenSTFCRomain wrote:
mancrobin wrote:
DarrenSTFCRomain wrote:
the don69 wrote:
Malkym wrote: Well now this article doesn't promote the widely held view that our man is off to Saints anytime soon does it?
No Malky!cause Saints still got a manager(for now) and Paolo ain't been offered the job!if in the future he is,what do you think his answer will be????????
There is no way Saint or any championdhip let alone p/ship club would trust pdc with there club... Look at the clubs that have just sacked or parted with there managers... There was not 1 phone call to STFC asking 2 talk to pdc...
I think that's right, I can't see why another club, especially a premiership club, would want him at present. The only fans that seemed to want him was West Ham and I haven't heard that they have been calling his name recently. Certainly Bolton fans I spoke to didn't want him. However, if he does get us promoted again this season and puts together a run like last year then all of that will change.
Dont think they will as his first question will be HOW MUCH DO I HAVE TO SPEND?..

HOPE he stay and gets use promoted but cant see him and the new chairman working..

SWP was bought in to see were the money is going and to make sure we stay in budget for other investers..
Think those are the words of all new managers !!
[quote][p][bold]DarrenSTFCRomain[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DarrenSTFCRomain[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Malkym[/bold] wrote: Well now this article doesn't promote the widely held view that our man is off to Saints anytime soon does it?[/p][/quote]No Malky!cause Saints still got a manager(for now) and Paolo ain't been offered the job!if in the future he is,what do you think his answer will be????????[/p][/quote]There is no way Saint or any championdhip let alone p/ship club would trust pdc with there club... Look at the clubs that have just sacked or parted with there managers... There was not 1 phone call to STFC asking 2 talk to pdc...[/p][/quote]I think that's right, I can't see why another club, especially a premiership club, would want him at present. The only fans that seemed to want him was West Ham and I haven't heard that they have been calling his name recently. Certainly Bolton fans I spoke to didn't want him. However, if he does get us promoted again this season and puts together a run like last year then all of that will change.[/p][/quote]Dont think they will as his first question will be HOW MUCH DO I HAVE TO SPEND?.. HOPE he stay and gets use promoted but cant see him and the new chairman working.. SWP was bought in to see were the money is going and to make sure we stay in budget for other investers..[/p][/quote]Think those are the words of all new managers !! Dover Red
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11:47pm Sat 10 Nov 12

the wizard says...

IF and its a big "if", we go up, we will need another team for next season. A lot of what we have now are just not going to make the cut.

Almost certainly all the Thompsons, Storeys etc will be kept. Add to that the likes of Ferry, Ritchie , Fodders, Flint and then the rest will depend on their performances between now and end of the season perhaps. I would hope Bostock could become a Town players, but objectively you have to start looking a a very decent budget to put around a total of 25 players in place., to cater for injuries, suspensions and competition for places.
IF and its a big "if", we go up, we will need another team for next season. A lot of what we have now are just not going to make the cut. Almost certainly all the Thompsons, Storeys etc will be kept. Add to that the likes of Ferry, Ritchie , Fodders, Flint and then the rest will depend on their performances between now and end of the season perhaps. I would hope Bostock could become a Town players, but objectively you have to start looking a a very decent budget to put around a total of 25 players in place., to cater for injuries, suspensions and competition for places. the wizard
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1:42am Sun 11 Nov 12

Wilesy says...

A compliment to Oi Den.

Last season many, including myself to an extent, were anticipating that following our success in League 2, our existing players would find League 1 a straight forward challenge, and some were very well equipped to play in the Championship.

I remember Den not getting so carried away, saying that we should take nothing for granted, and we should wait and see before getting carried away.

Whilst we have seen some good performances, we have seen some poor performances too, and clearly it is not the walk in the park some expected.

So in terms of awarding new contracts, I can see this being very tricky. Quite a few of the squad whilst being good League 1 players, will not have convinced Paolo they are ready for Championship should we get there.

But if we don't get promoted there are many that we will want to retain for next season.

But to not have them on contract is risky....

We should definitely tie up Wes and Ritchie to long term deals, also Storey, and the Thompson's too. after initial reservations I have been impressed with Ward and would like to see him join permanently to the end of next season. Thinking about it isn't Ritchie signed to 2014?

For the others they may need to convince Paolo a bit more.
A compliment to Oi Den. Last season many, including myself to an extent, were anticipating that following our success in League 2, our existing players would find League 1 a straight forward challenge, and some were very well equipped to play in the Championship. I remember Den not getting so carried away, saying that we should take nothing for granted, and we should wait and see before getting carried away. Whilst we have seen some good performances, we have seen some poor performances too, and clearly it is not the walk in the park some expected. So in terms of awarding new contracts, I can see this being very tricky. Quite a few of the squad whilst being good League 1 players, will not have convinced Paolo they are ready for Championship should we get there. But if we don't get promoted there are many that we will want to retain for next season. But to not have them on contract is risky.... We should definitely tie up Wes and Ritchie to long term deals, also Storey, and the Thompson's too. after initial reservations I have been impressed with Ward and would like to see him join permanently to the end of next season. Thinking about it isn't Ritchie signed to 2014? For the others they may need to convince Paolo a bit more. Wilesy
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8:02am Sun 11 Nov 12

London Red says...

Den – you know as well as I do that the pop I made was it sounded like some actually thought the cash had been physically spent already and therefore never able to be used – which we both know is not the case
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You also know that the original comments by Wray (not PdC) was that the income projections had fallen which was what took us over – not that we had overspent – so it was fair to believe we were still under the £4m budget and income projections had fallen £6.1m to £6m – which is basically half the tribunal fees – so fitted with that explanation ( I can only guess Net Transfers are cash flow based not PnL based – so if half was due next season would be excluded until then)
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However – SWP has dispelled that now and showed it was a combo of both which took us over
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As you said who’s fault that is open to discussion – but for me should lie with the money men as they should have vetoed later deals like the FL did once we went over (or said we only have X left so you can’t sign A and B - which may have made PdC go for C instead etc)
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Granted it does appear that if things remain as a status quo then we probably would be on about £4.3m (based on SWP comments) – which is £0.3m over budget (at the moment – but would be under come Jan when it was due to be increased anyway) – however, I know full well you understand that this can change with the make-up of the squad – so we could easily come back under budget (original phase 1 not full one)
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For example (using completely made up numbers) the combination of Risser, L. Rooney, Caddis, Cox, Ward, Bessone, Bostock, Coke and A.Rooney is £20k a week to us now – that would enter the accounts as about £1m – or a quarter of our wages
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We know that bar Caddis and A.Rooney – they all expire in Jan so that £1m is budgeted but not spent – so really we have only physically spent £0.5m (half a season’s worth)
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Assuming taking back on of Risser, L. Rooney and Cox’s full wages are a lot smaller than the current status we will see our budget shrink and have money “freed up” on top of that £0.2m “additional” budget
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For me Risser, Cox and L.Rooney (despite recent comments) will be moved on and Bessone and Coke will not have their deal extended – so that should easily free up enough cash to sign 2 or 3 decent players in Jan to boost our push (even with an emergency loan or 2 now until Jan)
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One new full back to replace Bessone, a combative midfielder and a poacher up top is what we need – the poacher being top priority – as yesterday showed again
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However – with Ward now showing he is the CB I thought we were getting – we don’t need Macca at the back so when he is back he could join Ferry and Bostock in the middle and could be that player we are looking for there!
Den – you know as well as I do that the pop I made was it sounded like some actually thought the cash had been physically spent already and therefore never able to be used – which we both know is not the case . You also know that the original comments by Wray (not PdC) was that the income projections had fallen which was what took us over – not that we had overspent – so it was fair to believe we were still under the £4m budget and income projections had fallen £6.1m to £6m – which is basically half the tribunal fees – so fitted with that explanation ( I can only guess Net Transfers are cash flow based not PnL based – so if half was due next season would be excluded until then) . However – SWP has dispelled that now and showed it was a combo of both which took us over . As you said who’s fault that is open to discussion – but for me should lie with the money men as they should have vetoed later deals like the FL did once we went over (or said we only have X left so you can’t sign A and B - which may have made PdC go for C instead etc) . Granted it does appear that if things remain as a status quo then we probably would be on about £4.3m (based on SWP comments) – which is £0.3m over budget (at the moment – but would be under come Jan when it was due to be increased anyway) – however, I know full well you understand that this can change with the make-up of the squad – so we could easily come back under budget (original phase 1 not full one) . For example (using completely made up numbers) the combination of Risser, L. Rooney, Caddis, Cox, Ward, Bessone, Bostock, Coke and A.Rooney is £20k a week to us now – that would enter the accounts as about £1m – or a quarter of our wages . We know that bar Caddis and A.Rooney – they all expire in Jan so that £1m is budgeted but not spent – so really we have only physically spent £0.5m (half a season’s worth) . Assuming taking back on of Risser, L. Rooney and Cox’s full wages are a lot smaller than the current status we will see our budget shrink and have money “freed up” on top of that £0.2m “additional” budget . For me Risser, Cox and L.Rooney (despite recent comments) will be moved on and Bessone and Coke will not have their deal extended – so that should easily free up enough cash to sign 2 or 3 decent players in Jan to boost our push (even with an emergency loan or 2 now until Jan) . One new full back to replace Bessone, a combative midfielder and a poacher up top is what we need – the poacher being top priority – as yesterday showed again . However – with Ward now showing he is the CB I thought we were getting – we don’t need Macca at the back so when he is back he could join Ferry and Bostock in the middle and could be that player we are looking for there! London Red
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9:25am Sun 11 Nov 12

umpcah says...

the wizard wrote:
IF and its a big "if", we go up, we will need another team for next season. A lot of what we have now are just not going to make the cut.

Almost certainly all the Thompsons, Storeys etc will be kept. Add to that the likes of Ferry, Ritchie , Fodders, Flint and then the rest will depend on their performances between now and end of the season perhaps. I would hope Bostock could become a Town players, but objectively you have to start looking a a very decent budget to put around a total of 25 players in place., to cater for injuries, suspensions and competition for places.
WIZ: I reckon the " IF " is medium size ! My thinking is generally on the same lines as yours except that I think Flint will be on his way if a decent offer is made in January.
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: IF and its a big "if", we go up, we will need another team for next season. A lot of what we have now are just not going to make the cut. Almost certainly all the Thompsons, Storeys etc will be kept. Add to that the likes of Ferry, Ritchie , Fodders, Flint and then the rest will depend on their performances between now and end of the season perhaps. I would hope Bostock could become a Town players, but objectively you have to start looking a a very decent budget to put around a total of 25 players in place., to cater for injuries, suspensions and competition for places.[/p][/quote]WIZ: I reckon the " IF " is medium size ! My thinking is generally on the same lines as yours except that I think Flint will be on his way if a decent offer is made in January. umpcah
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10:05am Sun 11 Nov 12

London Red says...

The thing is if we are now starting to have reservations about Flints ability - who is going to come in with an offer for him?
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Flint is great in the air (as a 6ft7 giant should be) but woeful at best onhis distribution and has been making some serious errors this year - including lunging in from behind multiple times
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That is outweighing his ariel ability an is why I would have him behind Devera
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For me personally he is no longer in my players who would cut it in the league above
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That is now (not all starters) Wes Thompsonx2 McEveley Ritchie Ferry Bostock and Storey
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Jury still out on Troy, Roberts, RDV and Collins (Flint here too but really needs to show improvement)
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All others I think are at their level so would need to be replaced - so would certainly agree we would be likely to see another major overhaul
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Though some could stay a season to reduce that overhaul initially - ala Navarro, Macca and Ward
The thing is if we are now starting to have reservations about Flints ability - who is going to come in with an offer for him? . Flint is great in the air (as a 6ft7 giant should be) but woeful at best onhis distribution and has been making some serious errors this year - including lunging in from behind multiple times . That is outweighing his ariel ability an is why I would have him behind Devera . For me personally he is no longer in my players who would cut it in the league above . That is now (not all starters) Wes Thompsonx2 McEveley Ritchie Ferry Bostock and Storey . Jury still out on Troy, Roberts, RDV and Collins (Flint here too but really needs to show improvement) . All others I think are at their level so would need to be replaced - so would certainly agree we would be likely to see another major overhaul . Though some could stay a season to reduce that overhaul initially - ala Navarro, Macca and Ward London Red
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10:31am Sun 11 Nov 12

the wizard says...

LR,

It seems we are on the same page with this. I do think age will bode against Ward,Benson and probably Macca.

Navarro since leaving Liverpool has only payed predominately with lower league clubs.

Ward who is now 34 I think would find another season in the CCC a challenge and is only on loan from Millwall.

Miller is coming up 34 in January so again the years are against him.

Benson, we know is struggling this season to play a full game.

RDV has been a revelation this season but struggles to get a start or a full game so that I think reveals he isn't going to heavily feature next season if at all.

The likes of the Thompsons and Storey well they are for the future but its looks good in their favour.

Ritchie and Ferry, I would say will probably be both ok.

If you look at the CCC there seems to be three groups of teams in broader terms, the ex-Prems trying to get back, the middle order and the strugglers. I would be happy to see us amongst the middle order
LR, It seems we are on the same page with this. I do think age will bode against Ward,Benson and probably Macca. Navarro since leaving Liverpool has only payed predominately with lower league clubs. Ward who is now 34 I think would find another season in the CCC a challenge and is only on loan from Millwall. Miller is coming up 34 in January so again the years are against him. Benson, we know is struggling this season to play a full game. RDV has been a revelation this season but struggles to get a start or a full game so that I think reveals he isn't going to heavily feature next season if at all. The likes of the Thompsons and Storey well they are for the future but its looks good in their favour. Ritchie and Ferry, I would say will probably be both ok. If you look at the CCC there seems to be three groups of teams in broader terms, the ex-Prems trying to get back, the middle order and the strugglers. I would be happy to see us amongst the middle order the wizard
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1:19pm Sun 11 Nov 12

umpcah says...

the wizard wrote:
LR,

It seems we are on the same page with this. I do think age will bode against Ward,Benson and probably Macca.

Navarro since leaving Liverpool has only payed predominately with lower league clubs.

Ward who is now 34 I think would find another season in the CCC a challenge and is only on loan from Millwall.

Miller is coming up 34 in January so again the years are against him.

Benson, we know is struggling this season to play a full game.

RDV has been a revelation this season but struggles to get a start or a full game so that I think reveals he isn't going to heavily feature next season if at all.

The likes of the Thompsons and Storey well they are for the future but its looks good in their favour.

Ritchie and Ferry, I would say will probably be both ok.

If you look at the CCC there seems to be three groups of teams in broader terms, the ex-Prems trying to get back, the middle order and the strugglers. I would be happy to see us amongst the middle order
Benson, we know is struggling this season to play a full game Cant say I agree 100% on that.! Paolo usually likes to bring on fresh legs up front in the latter part of the game., the reason being obvious.
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: LR, It seems we are on the same page with this. I do think age will bode against Ward,Benson and probably Macca. Navarro since leaving Liverpool has only payed predominately with lower league clubs. Ward who is now 34 I think would find another season in the CCC a challenge and is only on loan from Millwall. Miller is coming up 34 in January so again the years are against him. Benson, we know is struggling this season to play a full game. RDV has been a revelation this season but struggles to get a start or a full game so that I think reveals he isn't going to heavily feature next season if at all. The likes of the Thompsons and Storey well they are for the future but its looks good in their favour. Ritchie and Ferry, I would say will probably be both ok. If you look at the CCC there seems to be three groups of teams in broader terms, the ex-Prems trying to get back, the middle order and the strugglers. I would be happy to see us amongst the middle order[/p][/quote]Benson, we know is struggling this season to play a full game Cant say I agree 100% on that.! Paolo usually likes to bring on fresh legs up front in the latter part of the game., the reason being obvious. umpcah
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1:30pm Sun 11 Nov 12

London Red says...

Agree though Navarro did play 30 odd games there last year - but if we go up this year he would be 2 years older at 33 so would be right near the end
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He may be better off having another year or 2 in L1 - bit like Miller seems to be
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Benson at 34 is too late for him IMO
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Roberts Macca and Williams is not age related for me as all only in their late 20s - it's more that they have not at all or not often played there which suggests that this is their level
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Just like Billy Paynter - again nothing wrong with that - can make a decent living from that
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As you say the youngsters are just that and may not make it at that level - but should be given the chance - including the ones on the jury's out list
Agree though Navarro did play 30 odd games there last year - but if we go up this year he would be 2 years older at 33 so would be right near the end . He may be better off having another year or 2 in L1 - bit like Miller seems to be . Benson at 34 is too late for him IMO . Roberts Macca and Williams is not age related for me as all only in their late 20s - it's more that they have not at all or not often played there which suggests that this is their level . Just like Billy Paynter - again nothing wrong with that - can make a decent living from that . As you say the youngsters are just that and may not make it at that level - but should be given the chance - including the ones on the jury's out list London Red
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3:17pm Sun 11 Nov 12

Oi Den! says...

LR, whichever way you look at it, we have spent a fair amount of money, got a decent squad together (albeit including some questionable signings) and despite suffering a few injuries have never had to field a particularly weak team. I think most managers would be delighted with the kind of support that PDC has had from the board. Maybe he is, as he told us yesterday, "the top manager in the world". If so, it really is time he stopped all the negative stuff and focussed on managing the team. I wonder what Andrew Black thinks when he hears PDC say that he has had no support from the board in the last 2 months? If I was Black, having ploughed millions into the club and given the manager a good budget to work with for the season, I think I would find the constant sniping pretty tiresome. I believe PDC is pushing his luck now.
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Good win yesterday. PDC said so but couldn't leave it at that. He had to get in his dig at the board - saying a win was a fantastic result in the circumstances, a draw would have been an achievement and a defeat not unexpected. Really? With the players we have and against a team that had taken 2 points from the last 24? I don't think so.
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I was hoping that yesterday's win might have been something of a watershed - when all the whingeing about the self-inflicted embargo might have stopped. Enough is enough.
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I still believe we are one good midfield player short of a promotion side, and I think most fans are equally positive. It's just a shame that in such happy circumstances the manager insists on portraying his employer as unsupportive.
LR, whichever way you look at it, we have spent a fair amount of money, got a decent squad together (albeit including some questionable signings) and despite suffering a few injuries have never had to field a particularly weak team. I think most managers would be delighted with the kind of support that PDC has had from the board. Maybe he is, as he told us yesterday, "the top manager in the world". If so, it really is time he stopped all the negative stuff and focussed on managing the team. I wonder what Andrew Black thinks when he hears PDC say that he has had no support from the board in the last 2 months? If I was Black, having ploughed millions into the club and given the manager a good budget to work with for the season, I think I would find the constant sniping pretty tiresome. I believe PDC is pushing his luck now. . Good win yesterday. PDC said so but couldn't leave it at that. He had to get in his dig at the board - saying a win was a fantastic result in the circumstances, a draw would have been an achievement and a defeat not unexpected. Really? With the players we have and against a team that had taken 2 points from the last 24? I don't think so. . I was hoping that yesterday's win might have been something of a watershed - when all the whingeing about the self-inflicted embargo might have stopped. Enough is enough. . I still believe we are one good midfield player short of a promotion side, and I think most fans are equally positive. It's just a shame that in such happy circumstances the manager insists on portraying his employer as unsupportive. Oi Den!
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3:27pm Sun 11 Nov 12

Oi Den! says...

Wilesy, I'm not sure a compliment is in order but thanks for the kind words all the same. I think a club has to be very lucky to assemble a team/squad in one division that is good enough to survive comfortably even one division higher, let alone two. Although there are always exceptions, players generally end up in the division that's right for their ability. That's why I believe we shouldn't get ahead of ourselves.
Wilesy, I'm not sure a compliment is in order but thanks for the kind words all the same. I think a club has to be very lucky to assemble a team/squad in one division that is good enough to survive comfortably even one division higher, let alone two. Although there are always exceptions, players generally end up in the division that's right for their ability. That's why I believe we shouldn't get ahead of ourselves. Oi Den!
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3:28pm Sun 11 Nov 12

Oi Den! says...

Sorry - Walsall had taken 2 points from 21, not 2 from 24 as I said above.
Sorry - Walsall had taken 2 points from 21, not 2 from 24 as I said above. Oi Den!
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9:46pm Sun 11 Nov 12

Wilesy says...

LR, Wiz, agree on Bostock but I'm not sure about McEveley and Ferry. Jay is a good player undoubtedly but question marks for me on temprement and distribution, and Ferry whilst a good player I think may not be quite strong or quick enough for Championship.

Hope I'm wrong of course but jury out for me at moment.

Flint yes he does need to work on most things other than heading, but is young and can hopefully improve.

Ward although no youngster looks after himself I think he should be still OK for a season or two yet.

Whoever we retain from the current crop, should we go up we will need to add some serious strength and pace to the middle and up front.
LR, Wiz, agree on Bostock but I'm not sure about McEveley and Ferry. Jay is a good player undoubtedly but question marks for me on temprement and distribution, and Ferry whilst a good player I think may not be quite strong or quick enough for Championship. Hope I'm wrong of course but jury out for me at moment. Flint yes he does need to work on most things other than heading, but is young and can hopefully improve. Ward although no youngster looks after himself I think he should be still OK for a season or two yet. Whoever we retain from the current crop, should we go up we will need to add some serious strength and pace to the middle and up front. Wilesy
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