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SWINDON TOWN: Paolo plays down talk of a top-six finish

Swindon Advertiser: Swindon Town boss Paolo Di Canio Swindon Town boss Paolo Di Canio

PAOLO Di Canio has stressed once again that any hopes of a top-six finish for Swindon Town in League One this season are “not realistic”.

The Robins won 2-0 at Walsall on Saturday to move back into the play-off places but, after spending two months under embargo working with a squad depleted by injuries, Di Canio has always maintained that it would be verging on the miraculous if his side were to keep their promotion challenge going strong through until May.

He moved once again to reinforce his views at the weekend just minutes after witnessing one of Swindon’s most complete performances of the campaign, revealing that the Town board are happy with consolidation in 2012/13.

“Now we have brought in a good habit but we have to be realistic and really think about the future. It’s not realistic,” he said.

“We will do everything as usual. I will work hard, I will go mad, I will drive myself crazy to get the best I can from my players but realistically it is not normal to think our team will be there.

“Imagine if we had received the help we should receive in a normal situation. Now it is too late. We are there, we will try to keep the position for as long as we can. Thinking realistically we have to plan only for a good season.

“This was the plan in the board meeting when I met them 10 days ago. They are happy to finish in the bottom five but not the bottom four – it is important that we maintain and prepare massively From January the investment, for next year to try to go up.

“I am happy because we’re in a much better position than we thought without any help, playing kids and I am proud. I am proud today because my players did fantastically.

“It’s clear that we will stay up, if we don’t it’s a disaster. We have to reach 47 points as soon as we can and then see what comes after.

“We want to make the fans who follow us happy and make honour the shirt with pride. If we can win it’s much better.

“If it happens this year it is something fantastic. The plan is three years. If we go up it is amazing but we are under no pressure because we must maintain the category and then we invest for next year.

“Once we are fixed in League One we will try to do our best. At this moment we are happy to stay there but if we finish 14th or 15th in the table it is not the end of the world because the plan is three years. They want to give everything for next year.”

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6:37am Mon 12 Nov 12

Ollie Reed's Parky dance! says...

Kidoligy Paolo? With a couple of guys back from injury and a couple of loan players in before Jan we will finish top six and then who knows!
Kidoligy Paolo? With a couple of guys back from injury and a couple of loan players in before Jan we will finish top six and then who knows! Ollie Reed's Parky dance!
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7:08am Mon 12 Nov 12

jayden says...

If it hadnt been for them peski kids and dog we would have got away with it.
If it hadnt been for them peski kids and dog we would have got away with it. jayden
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7:47am Mon 12 Nov 12

CraigClark says...

I don't get it, we're currently in the play off places whilst having to cope with numerous injuries and bans and Paolo still says the embargo has damaged our chances of promotion.

The youngsters havn't looked out of place at all to me and once the injuried players return, a cople more additions in January and when our fitness levels really show at the latter end of the season, we'll be in or close to the auto promotion places i'm sure!

COYR!
I don't get it, we're currently in the play off places whilst having to cope with numerous injuries and bans and Paolo still says the embargo has damaged our chances of promotion. The youngsters havn't looked out of place at all to me and once the injuried players return, a cople more additions in January and when our fitness levels really show at the latter end of the season, we'll be in or close to the auto promotion places i'm sure! COYR! CraigClark
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7:58am Mon 12 Nov 12

Charlie Austins Weetabix says...

If it wasnt for that embargo, we'd be crowned champions by now...
If it wasnt for that embargo, we'd be crowned champions by now... Charlie Austins Weetabix
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8:33am Mon 12 Nov 12

Another view says...

His after match surprises are no longer surprises.

He should get Grim to do the interviews, and he should concentrate on what he's good at, building a football team.
His after match surprises are no longer surprises. He should get Grim to do the interviews, and he should concentrate on what he's good at, building a football team. Another view
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8:52am Mon 12 Nov 12

tally38 says...

when you think of the injuries not alot difference from last years squad we also had two misfiring strickers other than that same side
last two wins difference bostock
when you think of the injuries not alot difference from last years squad we also had two misfiring strickers other than that same side last two wins difference bostock tally38
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8:56am Mon 12 Nov 12

graham81 says...

oh come on Paolo please. We have the squad to get promoted this season and now more financial backing. It's all about this season in my eyes. Trying to remind every one of his extra season nest egg to get us promoted. Top two finish this season coming in my eyes now get down focus and get us there Paolo you've had enough money to spend
oh come on Paolo please. We have the squad to get promoted this season and now more financial backing. It's all about this season in my eyes. Trying to remind every one of his extra season nest egg to get us promoted. Top two finish this season coming in my eyes now get down focus and get us there Paolo you've had enough money to spend graham81
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9:01am Mon 12 Nov 12

BorisIsTheSpider says...

Ollie Reed's Parky dance! wrote:
Kidoligy Paolo? With a couple of guys back from injury and a couple of loan players in before Jan we will finish top six and then who knows!
Agreed. This is Paolo doing a Fergie. Most pleasing thing on Saturday was to hear Paolo actually praising the plaaaaayers.
[quote][p][bold]Ollie Reed's Parky dance![/bold] wrote: Kidoligy Paolo? With a couple of guys back from injury and a couple of loan players in before Jan we will finish top six and then who knows![/p][/quote]Agreed. This is Paolo doing a Fergie. Most pleasing thing on Saturday was to hear Paolo actually praising the plaaaaayers. BorisIsTheSpider
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9:18am Mon 12 Nov 12

umpcah says...

tally38 wrote:
when you think of the injuries not alot difference from last years squad we also had two misfiring strickers other than that same side
last two wins difference bostock
Bostock admits to not being 100% fit at present so he should prove to be a real asset e`er long ! The Thompsons and Storey are busy staking their claims for the starting eleven and I wonder who will be next to come off Bodin`s production line. Anyone care to guess ?
[quote][p][bold]tally38[/bold] wrote: when you think of the injuries not alot difference from last years squad we also had two misfiring strickers other than that same side last two wins difference bostock[/p][/quote]Bostock admits to not being 100% fit at present so he should prove to be a real asset e`er long ! The Thompsons and Storey are busy staking their claims for the starting eleven and I wonder who will be next to come off Bodin`s production line. Anyone care to guess ? umpcah
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9:26am Mon 12 Nov 12

Lanky says...

graham81 wrote:
oh come on Paolo please. We have the squad to get promoted this season and now more financial backing. It's all about this season in my eyes. Trying to remind every one of his extra season nest egg to get us promoted. Top two finish this season coming in my eyes now get down focus and get us there Paolo you've had enough money to spend
Hmm do you ever think that perhaps he is trying to take the pressure off the team? That he is actually playing the media games more than people give him credit for?

I think there would be more uproar on here from the moaners if he had said "Anything other than a top two finish will be a disaster"
[quote][p][bold]graham81[/bold] wrote: oh come on Paolo please. We have the squad to get promoted this season and now more financial backing. It's all about this season in my eyes. Trying to remind every one of his extra season nest egg to get us promoted. Top two finish this season coming in my eyes now get down focus and get us there Paolo you've had enough money to spend[/p][/quote]Hmm do you ever think that perhaps he is trying to take the pressure off the team? That he is actually playing the media games more than people give him credit for? I think there would be more uproar on here from the moaners if he had said "Anything other than a top two finish will be a disaster" Lanky
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9:29am Mon 12 Nov 12

Malkym says...

you lot ever heard of the saying "a pinch of salt"?
you lot ever heard of the saying "a pinch of salt"? Malkym
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9:36am Mon 12 Nov 12

RAYSPARROW says...

Knowing we are going for play-offs helps with crowd numbers/income. Play-offs means a chance of going to Wembley.
Knowing we are going for play-offs helps with crowd numbers/income. Play-offs means a chance of going to Wembley. RAYSPARROW
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9:47am Mon 12 Nov 12

madterrier says...

We've got one of the biggest and best squads. The best owners. One of the biggest budgets.

Our average attendances are the sixth highest in League One (and two clubs above us are Coventry and Portsmouth).

We currently sit in in 6th place.

I'm not interested in talking the talk either way, from manager or from players, whether it's bigging up or playing things down. Let's just do it on the pitch.

But realistically, we should be aiming for top six. I bet most fans of other clubs would expect us to be there at the end of the season.
We've got one of the biggest and best squads. The best owners. One of the biggest budgets. Our average attendances are the sixth highest in League One (and two clubs above us are Coventry and Portsmouth). We currently sit in in 6th place. I'm not interested in talking the talk either way, from manager or from players, whether it's bigging up or playing things down. Let's just do it on the pitch. But realistically, we should be aiming for top six. I bet most fans of other clubs would expect us to be there at the end of the season. madterrier
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10:35am Mon 12 Nov 12

graham81 says...

Lanky wrote:
graham81 wrote:
oh come on Paolo please. We have the squad to get promoted this season and now more financial backing. It's all about this season in my eyes. Trying to remind every one of his extra season nest egg to get us promoted. Top two finish this season coming in my eyes now get down focus and get us there Paolo you've had enough money to spend
Hmm do you ever think that perhaps he is trying to take the pressure off the team? That he is actually playing the media games more than people give him credit for?

I think there would be more uproar on here from the moaners if he had said "Anything other than a top two finish will be a disaster"
Fair shout!
[quote][p][bold]Lanky[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]graham81[/bold] wrote: oh come on Paolo please. We have the squad to get promoted this season and now more financial backing. It's all about this season in my eyes. Trying to remind every one of his extra season nest egg to get us promoted. Top two finish this season coming in my eyes now get down focus and get us there Paolo you've had enough money to spend[/p][/quote]Hmm do you ever think that perhaps he is trying to take the pressure off the team? That he is actually playing the media games more than people give him credit for? I think there would be more uproar on here from the moaners if he had said "Anything other than a top two finish will be a disaster"[/p][/quote]Fair shout! graham81
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10:56am Mon 12 Nov 12

Oi Den! says...

RAYSPARROW wrote:
Knowing we are going for play-offs helps with crowd numbers/income. Play-offs means a chance of going to Wembley.
I don't think we should ever be "going for the play-offs". Of course if we fail to get a place in the top two, the play-offs are there as a back door opportunity for promotion but I don't believe they should ever be a target, unless we have reached the stage where between 3rd and 6th place is the highest we can achieve.
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At the moment, the bookies are giving only 2/1 against us getting promotion. If we finish in a play-off spot, the odds will almost certainly be nearer 3/1. In other words, we have more chance of promotion right now than we would have if we finish in play-off spot.
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If Tranmere can be top of the table on their meagre budget I don't see why we can't be looking to overhaul them. Most of us believe PDC is a good manager, he believes he is the best manager in the world and the board has given him the opportunity to build a decent squad of players. We should be aiming for the top.
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Chance of going to Wembley? For the losers it's horrible. No thanks - let's just get promoted by being good enough. Perhaps we won't turn out to be good enough, but surely we have to try to avoid the end of season lottery that is the play-offs?
[quote][p][bold]RAYSPARROW[/bold] wrote: Knowing we are going for play-offs helps with crowd numbers/income. Play-offs means a chance of going to Wembley.[/p][/quote]I don't think we should ever be "going for the play-offs". Of course if we fail to get a place in the top two, the play-offs are there as a back door opportunity for promotion but I don't believe they should ever be a target, unless we have reached the stage where between 3rd and 6th place is the highest we can achieve. . At the moment, the bookies are giving only 2/1 against us getting promotion. If we finish in a play-off spot, the odds will almost certainly be nearer 3/1. In other words, we have more chance of promotion right now than we would have if we finish in play-off spot. . If Tranmere can be top of the table on their meagre budget I don't see why we can't be looking to overhaul them. Most of us believe PDC is a good manager, he believes he is the best manager in the world and the board has given him the opportunity to build a decent squad of players. We should be aiming for the top. . Chance of going to Wembley? For the losers it's horrible. No thanks - let's just get promoted by being good enough. Perhaps we won't turn out to be good enough, but surely we have to try to avoid the end of season lottery that is the play-offs? Oi Den!
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11:13am Mon 12 Nov 12

the wizard says...

Oh do come-on Mr Canio, please do behave !!!!!!!!! Justa nowa I am'a think I play a di Zuper Zimon, de Ferry-man at the fronta, caus he is'a de only one-a I canna trusta to score'a de goals.



Tongue in cheek enuff Malky ?
Oh do come-on Mr Canio, please do behave !!!!!!!!! Justa nowa I am'a think I play a di Zuper Zimon, de Ferry-man at the fronta, caus he is'a de only one-a I canna trusta to score'a de goals. Tongue in cheek enuff Malky ? the wizard
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11:35am Mon 12 Nov 12

RAYSPARROW says...

Oi Den! wrote:
RAYSPARROW wrote: Knowing we are going for play-offs helps with crowd numbers/income. Play-offs means a chance of going to Wembley.
I don't think we should ever be "going for the play-offs". Of course if we fail to get a place in the top two, the play-offs are there as a back door opportunity for promotion but I don't believe they should ever be a target, unless we have reached the stage where between 3rd and 6th place is the highest we can achieve. . At the moment, the bookies are giving only 2/1 against us getting promotion. If we finish in a play-off spot, the odds will almost certainly be nearer 3/1. In other words, we have more chance of promotion right now than we would have if we finish in play-off spot. . If Tranmere can be top of the table on their meagre budget I don't see why we can't be looking to overhaul them. Most of us believe PDC is a good manager, he believes he is the best manager in the world and the board has given him the opportunity to build a decent squad of players. We should be aiming for the top. . Chance of going to Wembley? For the losers it's horrible. No thanks - let's just get promoted by being good enough. Perhaps we won't turn out to be good enough, but surely we have to try to avoid the end of season lottery that is the play-offs?
What I meant was we should be aiming high yo keep crowds interested.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RAYSPARROW[/bold] wrote: Knowing we are going for play-offs helps with crowd numbers/income. Play-offs means a chance of going to Wembley.[/p][/quote]I don't think we should ever be "going for the play-offs". Of course if we fail to get a place in the top two, the play-offs are there as a back door opportunity for promotion but I don't believe they should ever be a target, unless we have reached the stage where between 3rd and 6th place is the highest we can achieve. . At the moment, the bookies are giving only 2/1 against us getting promotion. If we finish in a play-off spot, the odds will almost certainly be nearer 3/1. In other words, we have more chance of promotion right now than we would have if we finish in play-off spot. . If Tranmere can be top of the table on their meagre budget I don't see why we can't be looking to overhaul them. Most of us believe PDC is a good manager, he believes he is the best manager in the world and the board has given him the opportunity to build a decent squad of players. We should be aiming for the top. . Chance of going to Wembley? For the losers it's horrible. No thanks - let's just get promoted by being good enough. Perhaps we won't turn out to be good enough, but surely we have to try to avoid the end of season lottery that is the play-offs?[/p][/quote]What I meant was we should be aiming high yo keep crowds interested. RAYSPARROW
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11:38am Mon 12 Nov 12

Haydonender says...

Don't think its a bad thing to be playing down expectations outside of the club. Some of our fans seem to think we have a right to walk this league, despite the many failed attempts of the past decade or longer.

I'm sure internally that Paolo is still hellbent on doing everything possible to get promotion this year.
Don't think its a bad thing to be playing down expectations outside of the club. Some of our fans seem to think we have a right to walk this league, despite the many failed attempts of the past decade or longer. I'm sure internally that Paolo is still hellbent on doing everything possible to get promotion this year. Haydonender
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11:58am Mon 12 Nov 12

BillyLucas4me says...

Spot on Haydon ender -we wouldn't expect any other sort of spiel.
Cards nice and close to the chest.
Spot on Haydon ender -we wouldn't expect any other sort of spiel. Cards nice and close to the chest. BillyLucas4me
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12:05pm Mon 12 Nov 12

Oi Den! says...

RAYSPARROW wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
RAYSPARROW wrote: Knowing we are going for play-offs helps with crowd numbers/income. Play-offs means a chance of going to Wembley.
I don't think we should ever be "going for the play-offs". Of course if we fail to get a place in the top two, the play-offs are there as a back door opportunity for promotion but I don't believe they should ever be a target, unless we have reached the stage where between 3rd and 6th place is the highest we can achieve. . At the moment, the bookies are giving only 2/1 against us getting promotion. If we finish in a play-off spot, the odds will almost certainly be nearer 3/1. In other words, we have more chance of promotion right now than we would have if we finish in play-off spot. . If Tranmere can be top of the table on their meagre budget I don't see why we can't be looking to overhaul them. Most of us believe PDC is a good manager, he believes he is the best manager in the world and the board has given him the opportunity to build a decent squad of players. We should be aiming for the top. . Chance of going to Wembley? For the losers it's horrible. No thanks - let's just get promoted by being good enough. Perhaps we won't turn out to be good enough, but surely we have to try to avoid the end of season lottery that is the play-offs?
What I meant was we should be aiming high yo keep crowds interested.
Sorry Ray, after I posted I realised I'd misunderstood. My post should really have been addressed to those, including PDC, who seem to think we can't compete with Tranmere et al. I appreciate that a pinch of salt may be required with PDC's comments. But it seems to me that he won't miss any opportunity to have a pop at the people who have saved the club and are not only keeping it afloat but giving him ample resources to work with. Come on Paolo, get on with managing the team and stop biting the hand that feeds our club.
[quote][p][bold]RAYSPARROW[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RAYSPARROW[/bold] wrote: Knowing we are going for play-offs helps with crowd numbers/income. Play-offs means a chance of going to Wembley.[/p][/quote]I don't think we should ever be "going for the play-offs". Of course if we fail to get a place in the top two, the play-offs are there as a back door opportunity for promotion but I don't believe they should ever be a target, unless we have reached the stage where between 3rd and 6th place is the highest we can achieve. . At the moment, the bookies are giving only 2/1 against us getting promotion. If we finish in a play-off spot, the odds will almost certainly be nearer 3/1. In other words, we have more chance of promotion right now than we would have if we finish in play-off spot. . If Tranmere can be top of the table on their meagre budget I don't see why we can't be looking to overhaul them. Most of us believe PDC is a good manager, he believes he is the best manager in the world and the board has given him the opportunity to build a decent squad of players. We should be aiming for the top. . Chance of going to Wembley? For the losers it's horrible. No thanks - let's just get promoted by being good enough. Perhaps we won't turn out to be good enough, but surely we have to try to avoid the end of season lottery that is the play-offs?[/p][/quote]What I meant was we should be aiming high yo keep crowds interested.[/p][/quote]Sorry Ray, after I posted I realised I'd misunderstood. My post should really have been addressed to those, including PDC, who seem to think we can't compete with Tranmere et al. I appreciate that a pinch of salt may be required with PDC's comments. But it seems to me that he won't miss any opportunity to have a pop at the people who have saved the club and are not only keeping it afloat but giving him ample resources to work with. Come on Paolo, get on with managing the team and stop biting the hand that feeds our club. Oi Den!
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1:01pm Mon 12 Nov 12

Swindon1984 says...

Oi Den! wrote:
RAYSPARROW wrote: Knowing we are going for play-offs helps with crowd numbers/income. Play-offs means a chance of going to Wembley.
I don't think we should ever be "going for the play-offs". Of course if we fail to get a place in the top two, the play-offs are there as a back door opportunity for promotion but I don't believe they should ever be a target, unless we have reached the stage where between 3rd and 6th place is the highest we can achieve. . At the moment, the bookies are giving only 2/1 against us getting promotion. If we finish in a play-off spot, the odds will almost certainly be nearer 3/1. In other words, we have more chance of promotion right now than we would have if we finish in play-off spot. . If Tranmere can be top of the table on their meagre budget I don't see why we can't be looking to overhaul them. Most of us believe PDC is a good manager, he believes he is the best manager in the world and the board has given him the opportunity to build a decent squad of players. We should be aiming for the top. . Chance of going to Wembley? For the losers it's horrible. No thanks - let's just get promoted by being good enough. Perhaps we won't turn out to be good enough, but surely we have to try to avoid the end of season lottery that is the play-offs?
Agreed - great if you win them but what a devastating rollercoaster ride the last playoff campaign was. All comes down to one game and not something I want us to be a part of again. I know it's the nature of the beast but it can't be fair when you have as a couple of years ago, Huddersfield finishing around ten points ahead of Peterborough, but the latter getting promotion just cause Huddersfield had a nightmare on the day.

Think all Paolo's saying here is that the board are committed to the championship in three, so as long as we're still in a position to do it next year (i.e. still in League 1) then we're on track. There won't be any lack of commitment from the manager because of what the board have said. Also second what someone said earlier, was great to hear him praising the players and performance after the game. Let's just sort it out at home now!
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RAYSPARROW[/bold] wrote: Knowing we are going for play-offs helps with crowd numbers/income. Play-offs means a chance of going to Wembley.[/p][/quote]I don't think we should ever be "going for the play-offs". Of course if we fail to get a place in the top two, the play-offs are there as a back door opportunity for promotion but I don't believe they should ever be a target, unless we have reached the stage where between 3rd and 6th place is the highest we can achieve. . At the moment, the bookies are giving only 2/1 against us getting promotion. If we finish in a play-off spot, the odds will almost certainly be nearer 3/1. In other words, we have more chance of promotion right now than we would have if we finish in play-off spot. . If Tranmere can be top of the table on their meagre budget I don't see why we can't be looking to overhaul them. Most of us believe PDC is a good manager, he believes he is the best manager in the world and the board has given him the opportunity to build a decent squad of players. We should be aiming for the top. . Chance of going to Wembley? For the losers it's horrible. No thanks - let's just get promoted by being good enough. Perhaps we won't turn out to be good enough, but surely we have to try to avoid the end of season lottery that is the play-offs?[/p][/quote]Agreed - great if you win them but what a devastating rollercoaster ride the last playoff campaign was. All comes down to one game and not something I want us to be a part of again. I know it's the nature of the beast but it can't be fair when you have as a couple of years ago, Huddersfield finishing around ten points ahead of Peterborough, but the latter getting promotion just cause Huddersfield had a nightmare on the day. Think all Paolo's saying here is that the board are committed to the championship in three, so as long as we're still in a position to do it next year (i.e. still in League 1) then we're on track. There won't be any lack of commitment from the manager because of what the board have said. Also second what someone said earlier, was great to hear him praising the players and performance after the game. Let's just sort it out at home now! Swindon1984
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1:05pm Mon 12 Nov 12

Malkym says...

the wizard wrote:
Oh do come-on Mr Canio, please do behave !!!!!!!!! Justa nowa I am'a think I play a di Zuper Zimon, de Ferry-man at the fronta, caus he is'a de only one-a I canna trusta to score'a de goals. Tongue in cheek enuff Malky ?
Double spot on from me H(ender) -large pinch of salt please as I said above! mind games ala Fergie being played here - what was the excellent quote on here the other day something like " Believe none of what you read and only half of what you hear!"
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: Oh do come-on Mr Canio, please do behave !!!!!!!!! Justa nowa I am'a think I play a di Zuper Zimon, de Ferry-man at the fronta, caus he is'a de only one-a I canna trusta to score'a de goals. Tongue in cheek enuff Malky ?[/p][/quote]Double spot on from me H(ender) -large pinch of salt please as I said above! mind games ala Fergie being played here - what was the excellent quote on here the other day something like " Believe none of what you read and only half of what you hear!" Malkym
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1:16pm Mon 12 Nov 12

RamsburyRed says...

There's an interesting implication here that the Board is prepared to invest for a future promotion push, having consolidated in L1 this year.
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Unless this is dependent on new investors coming in, I can't see the logic of deferring it, especially given our current position.
There's an interesting implication here that the Board is prepared to invest for a future promotion push, having consolidated in L1 this year. * Unless this is dependent on new investors coming in, I can't see the logic of deferring it, especially given our current position. RamsburyRed
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1:26pm Mon 12 Nov 12

the wizard says...

Malkym wrote:
the wizard wrote:
Oh do come-on Mr Canio, please do behave !!!!!!!!! Justa nowa I am'a think I play a di Zuper Zimon, de Ferry-man at the fronta, caus he is'a de only one-a I canna trusta to score'a de goals. Tongue in cheek enuff Malky ?
Double spot on from me H(ender) -large pinch of salt please as I said above! mind games ala Fergie being played here - what was the excellent quote on here the other day something like " Believe none of what you read and only half of what you hear!"
So, in broader terms is he trying to sneek us up the league, "under the radar" as Wilson used to say.
[quote][p][bold]Malkym[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: Oh do come-on Mr Canio, please do behave !!!!!!!!! Justa nowa I am'a think I play a di Zuper Zimon, de Ferry-man at the fronta, caus he is'a de only one-a I canna trusta to score'a de goals. Tongue in cheek enuff Malky ?[/p][/quote]Double spot on from me H(ender) -large pinch of salt please as I said above! mind games ala Fergie being played here - what was the excellent quote on here the other day something like " Believe none of what you read and only half of what you hear!"[/p][/quote]So, in broader terms is he trying to sneek us up the league, "under the radar" as Wilson used to say. the wizard
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1:37pm Mon 12 Nov 12

Oi Den! says...

RamsburyRed wrote:
There's an interesting implication here that the Board is prepared to invest for a future promotion push, having consolidated in L1 this year.
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Unless this is dependent on new investors coming in, I can't see the logic of deferring it, especially given our current position.
RR, I don't think that's really what is being said (or left unsaid). My reading of it is that the board are aiming for promotion but will not be too disappointed if we don't make it, given that the original target was to get to the next level within 3 years of PDC's arrival. I think PDC is being told "You've been given the resources you were promised; do what you can with them." They have made it clear that he's not getting any more than the planned £4.5m, most of which is already spoken for.
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I agree that we should be pushing on and trying to get up this year. We don't want a repeat of 3 years ago, when our promotion charge ended with a whimper and the best players were allowed to leave. But I don't expect the board to keep throwing money at it to try to ensure we achieve it.. Black has already been generous enough to put more money in this season than was planned, to dig us out of the transfer embargo. There has to be a line drawn somewhere.
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In any case, there is no guarantee that spending more on players this season is going to get us promotion. What if Black takes the gamble, puts in another significant amount of cash this season, and we don't make it?
We might be left with a big squad that we need to trim for another attempt next season and have a smaller playing budget because we've already taken a chunk of it this season.
[quote][p][bold]RamsburyRed[/bold] wrote: There's an interesting implication here that the Board is prepared to invest for a future promotion push, having consolidated in L1 this year. * Unless this is dependent on new investors coming in, I can't see the logic of deferring it, especially given our current position.[/p][/quote]RR, I don't think that's really what is being said (or left unsaid). My reading of it is that the board are aiming for promotion but will not be too disappointed if we don't make it, given that the original target was to get to the next level within 3 years of PDC's arrival. I think PDC is being told "You've been given the resources you were promised; do what you can with them." They have made it clear that he's not getting any more than the planned £4.5m, most of which is already spoken for. . I agree that we should be pushing on and trying to get up this year. We don't want a repeat of 3 years ago, when our promotion charge ended with a whimper and the best players were allowed to leave. But I don't expect the board to keep throwing money at it to try to ensure we achieve it.. Black has already been generous enough to put more money in this season than was planned, to dig us out of the transfer embargo. There has to be a line drawn somewhere. . In any case, there is no guarantee that spending more on players this season is going to get us promotion. What if Black takes the gamble, puts in another significant amount of cash this season, and we don't make it? We might be left with a big squad that we need to trim for another attempt next season and have a smaller playing budget because we've already taken a chunk of it this season. Oi Den!
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1:38pm Mon 12 Nov 12

SeanG92 says...

Definatly mind games, keeping our players calm, reducing the pressure on our players, keeping everyones feet on the ground, and in the instance we do get promotion giving Paolo the chance to really big himself up by having done a self proclaimed 'miracle'
Definatly mind games, keeping our players calm, reducing the pressure on our players, keeping everyones feet on the ground, and in the instance we do get promotion giving Paolo the chance to really big himself up by having done a self proclaimed 'miracle' SeanG92
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1:47pm Mon 12 Nov 12

red white says...

Yeah,play down finishing in the top 6 Paolo.

I expect us to go up as champions and so does he!
Yeah,play down finishing in the top 6 Paolo. I expect us to go up as champions and so does he! red white
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1:53pm Mon 12 Nov 12

Nigel, Denver CO says...

LOL, Paulo Di Ferguson
LOL, Paulo Di Ferguson Nigel, Denver CO
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2:00pm Mon 12 Nov 12

Robinonfire says...

Hopefully Swindon Town going up and Bristol City going down.

Come on you REDS
Hopefully Swindon Town going up and Bristol City going down. Come on you REDS Robinonfire
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2:00pm Mon 12 Nov 12

London Red says...

Den - Andrew Black has not been forced to put in more than planned
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The budget was and still is £4.5m
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So if £4.3m (based on SWP comments as most of the £500k extra has been "spent") has taken us over 65% limit - then he would have had to put more in anyway to allow that to go up to £4.5m in January as planned
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All it means is he has done it in November instead of January
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Granted we should all be grateful he has given us a healthy budget in the first place - but this injection now is not "new" and would have been planned when the original budget was signed off
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Unless of course revenue has seriously fallen behind budget - which is unlikely to be PdC fault - as the only thing he could be "accountable" for is cup revenue - but if anyone budgets on more than one round they are idiots!
Den - Andrew Black has not been forced to put in more than planned . The budget was and still is £4.5m . So if £4.3m (based on SWP comments as most of the £500k extra has been "spent") has taken us over 65% limit - then he would have had to put more in anyway to allow that to go up to £4.5m in January as planned . All it means is he has done it in November instead of January . Granted we should all be grateful he has given us a healthy budget in the first place - but this injection now is not "new" and would have been planned when the original budget was signed off . Unless of course revenue has seriously fallen behind budget - which is unlikely to be PdC fault - as the only thing he could be "accountable" for is cup revenue - but if anyone budgets on more than one round they are idiots! London Red
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2:17pm Mon 12 Nov 12

Oi Den! says...

London Red wrote:
Den - Andrew Black has not been forced to put in more than planned
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The budget was and still is £4.5m
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So if £4.3m (based on SWP comments as most of the £500k extra has been "spent") has taken us over 65% limit - then he would have had to put more in anyway to allow that to go up to £4.5m in January as planned
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All it means is he has done it in November instead of January
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Granted we should all be grateful he has given us a healthy budget in the first place - but this injection now is not "new" and would have been planned when the original budget was signed off
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Unless of course revenue has seriously fallen behind budget - which is unlikely to be PdC fault - as the only thing he could be "accountable" for is cup revenue - but if anyone budgets on more than one round they are idiots!
I can't see that, LR. If it is all about PROJECTED (sorry, dont mean to shout but there's no facility to use italics or underlining) "turnover" and player costs, surely the total equity injection will have been in the calculation already. Projected total player expenditure is more than 65% of projected total income, so projected total income has to be increased. Hence additional equity injection is required. Or am I missing something obvious?
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Den - Andrew Black has not been forced to put in more than planned . The budget was and still is £4.5m . So if £4.3m (based on SWP comments as most of the £500k extra has been "spent") has taken us over 65% limit - then he would have had to put more in anyway to allow that to go up to £4.5m in January as planned . All it means is he has done it in November instead of January . Granted we should all be grateful he has given us a healthy budget in the first place - but this injection now is not "new" and would have been planned when the original budget was signed off . Unless of course revenue has seriously fallen behind budget - which is unlikely to be PdC fault - as the only thing he could be "accountable" for is cup revenue - but if anyone budgets on more than one round they are idiots![/p][/quote]I can't see that, LR. If it is all about PROJECTED (sorry, dont mean to shout but there's no facility to use italics or underlining) "turnover" and player costs, surely the total equity injection will have been in the calculation already. Projected total player expenditure is more than 65% of projected total income, so projected total income has to be increased. Hence additional equity injection is required. Or am I missing something obvious? Oi Den!
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2:30pm Mon 12 Nov 12

Wilesy says...

Tounge in cheek or not (I didn't hear the interview) if I was Andrew Black I wouldn't be too pleased to read this and see his manager saying the board have given up on promotion having just bailed us out of the embargo from his own pocket.

Just seems ridiculous to initimate the board will be happy if we somehow scramble to safety with 47 points when sat in the play-off zone 3 points off automatic.

I thought mind games were played with other teams, not your own players and board.

Yes Navarro, Miller, Macca and Bessone are still injured, and Flint has his ban, but all's not lost in November.
Tounge in cheek or not (I didn't hear the interview) if I was Andrew Black I wouldn't be too pleased to read this and see his manager saying the board have given up on promotion having just bailed us out of the embargo from his own pocket. Just seems ridiculous to initimate the board will be happy if we somehow scramble to safety with 47 points when sat in the play-off zone 3 points off automatic. I thought mind games were played with other teams, not your own players and board. Yes Navarro, Miller, Macca and Bessone are still injured, and Flint has his ban, but all's not lost in November. Wilesy
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2:37pm Mon 12 Nov 12

stfc2012 says...

Great attitude barely 1/3 of season through. Inspiring.
Great attitude barely 1/3 of season through. Inspiring. stfc2012
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2:41pm Mon 12 Nov 12

Oi Den! says...

Wilesy, you can hear the whole interview on BBC Wiltshire iPlayer. Just find Saturday's post-match programme. I think it's about 15 mins in. I thought it was one of PDC's better post-match discussions, especially the bit about bringing Storey along gradually, but as I think is typical of PDC, he takes the shine off his more rational comments by having another pop at the board.
Wilesy, you can hear the whole interview on BBC Wiltshire iPlayer. Just find Saturday's post-match programme. I think it's about 15 mins in. I thought it was one of PDC's better post-match discussions, especially the bit about bringing Storey along gradually, but as I think is typical of PDC, he takes the shine off his more rational comments by having another pop at the board. Oi Den!
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2:57pm Mon 12 Nov 12

SeanG92 says...

If I remember correctly Roberto Mancini had written City off as champions in January this year, continually saying they were out of it. What happened to them again?

Perhaps its and Italian thing?
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This is definitely a way of removing some pressure from a young team with some players making their debut season in professional footy (or at least having their first proper season)

Paolo knows these guys could buckle under the expectation and pressure that comes with being a team challenging for the top few places, by saying we arent expecting to reach those highs takes that pressure away and gives a sense of overachievement.

We all know what Paolo is like, he doesn't settle for anything less then 100%, he doesn't aim for anything less than the best that there is on offer and I am dam well sure tha hasn't changed. What managers say in public, and what they say to their team are very rarely that similar!
If I remember correctly Roberto Mancini had written City off as champions in January this year, continually saying they were out of it. What happened to them again? Perhaps its and Italian thing? ----------- This is definitely a way of removing some pressure from a young team with some players making their debut season in professional footy (or at least having their first proper season) Paolo knows these guys could buckle under the expectation and pressure that comes with being a team challenging for the top few places, by saying we arent expecting to reach those highs takes that pressure away and gives a sense of overachievement. We all know what Paolo is like, he doesn't settle for anything less then 100%, he doesn't aim for anything less than the best that there is on offer and I am dam well sure tha hasn't changed. What managers say in public, and what they say to their team are very rarely that similar! SeanG92
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3:43pm Mon 12 Nov 12

smirg kcab says...

Another view wrote:
His after match surprises are no longer surprises. He should get Grim to do the interviews, and he should concentrate on what he's good at, building a football team.
elaborate more?lol
if i did do the interview first i would say do not put any money on willo to score against his old club, but the most important thing is get your money on them winning the league, i wont and will not change my mind on this even if the maestro has got in some absolute trash, but he is still learning more this year, we had some craap players last year and still piissed the league.
some people just dont get how much he does behind the scenes every game. we won against stevenage and walsall because he found weaknesses against them.
also great respect to this man after his pitch side salute, he didnt want his name sang. he said give all the praise to the players not him.
onwards and downwards if you believe the legend.
[quote][p][bold]Another view[/bold] wrote: His after match surprises are no longer surprises. He should get Grim to do the interviews, and he should concentrate on what he's good at, building a football team.[/p][/quote]elaborate more?lol if i did do the interview first i would say do not put any money on willo to score against his old club, but the most important thing is get your money on them winning the league, i wont and will not change my mind on this even if the maestro has got in some absolute trash, but he is still learning more this year, we had some craap players last year and still piissed the league. some people just dont get how much he does behind the scenes every game. we won against stevenage and walsall because he found weaknesses against them. also great respect to this man after his pitch side salute, he didnt want his name sang. he said give all the praise to the players not him. onwards and downwards if you believe the legend. smirg kcab
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3:54pm Mon 12 Nov 12

Wilesy says...

SeanG92 wrote:
If I remember correctly Roberto Mancini had written City off as champions in January this year, continually saying they were out of it. What happened to them again? Perhaps its and Italian thing? ----------- This is definitely a way of removing some pressure from a young team with some players making their debut season in professional footy (or at least having their first proper season) Paolo knows these guys could buckle under the expectation and pressure that comes with being a team challenging for the top few places, by saying we arent expecting to reach those highs takes that pressure away and gives a sense of overachievement. We all know what Paolo is like, he doesn't settle for anything less then 100%, he doesn't aim for anything less than the best that there is on offer and I am dam well sure tha hasn't changed. What managers say in public, and what they say to their team are very rarely that similar!
Apples and pears example.

Mancini sensibly playing down chances of winning the league in a 2 horse race. That's playing clever mind-games with the wily old dog Ferguson.

Paolo sounding hopeful of staying up despite being in a play off position in a wide open division. He didn't say that last year from a similar position. That's having a cheap pop at the board, not clever mind games, and is silly.
[quote][p][bold]SeanG92[/bold] wrote: If I remember correctly Roberto Mancini had written City off as champions in January this year, continually saying they were out of it. What happened to them again? Perhaps its and Italian thing? ----------- This is definitely a way of removing some pressure from a young team with some players making their debut season in professional footy (or at least having their first proper season) Paolo knows these guys could buckle under the expectation and pressure that comes with being a team challenging for the top few places, by saying we arent expecting to reach those highs takes that pressure away and gives a sense of overachievement. We all know what Paolo is like, he doesn't settle for anything less then 100%, he doesn't aim for anything less than the best that there is on offer and I am dam well sure tha hasn't changed. What managers say in public, and what they say to their team are very rarely that similar![/p][/quote]Apples and pears example. Mancini sensibly playing down chances of winning the league in a 2 horse race. That's playing clever mind-games with the wily old dog Ferguson. Paolo sounding hopeful of staying up despite being in a play off position in a wide open division. He didn't say that last year from a similar position. That's having a cheap pop at the board, not clever mind games, and is silly. Wilesy
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3:54pm Mon 12 Nov 12

Wilesy says...

SeanG92 wrote:
If I remember correctly Roberto Mancini had written City off as champions in January this year, continually saying they were out of it. What happened to them again? Perhaps its and Italian thing? ----------- This is definitely a way of removing some pressure from a young team with some players making their debut season in professional footy (or at least having their first proper season) Paolo knows these guys could buckle under the expectation and pressure that comes with being a team challenging for the top few places, by saying we arent expecting to reach those highs takes that pressure away and gives a sense of overachievement. We all know what Paolo is like, he doesn't settle for anything less then 100%, he doesn't aim for anything less than the best that there is on offer and I am dam well sure tha hasn't changed. What managers say in public, and what they say to their team are very rarely that similar!
Apples and pears example.

Mancini sensibly playing down chances of winning the league in a 2 horse race. That's playing clever mind-games with the wily old dog Ferguson.

Paolo sounding hopeful of staying up despite being in a play off position in a wide open division. He didn't say that last year from a similar position. That's having a cheap pop at the board, not clever mind games, and is silly.
[quote][p][bold]SeanG92[/bold] wrote: If I remember correctly Roberto Mancini had written City off as champions in January this year, continually saying they were out of it. What happened to them again? Perhaps its and Italian thing? ----------- This is definitely a way of removing some pressure from a young team with some players making their debut season in professional footy (or at least having their first proper season) Paolo knows these guys could buckle under the expectation and pressure that comes with being a team challenging for the top few places, by saying we arent expecting to reach those highs takes that pressure away and gives a sense of overachievement. We all know what Paolo is like, he doesn't settle for anything less then 100%, he doesn't aim for anything less than the best that there is on offer and I am dam well sure tha hasn't changed. What managers say in public, and what they say to their team are very rarely that similar![/p][/quote]Apples and pears example. Mancini sensibly playing down chances of winning the league in a 2 horse race. That's playing clever mind-games with the wily old dog Ferguson. Paolo sounding hopeful of staying up despite being in a play off position in a wide open division. He didn't say that last year from a similar position. That's having a cheap pop at the board, not clever mind games, and is silly. Wilesy
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4:16pm Mon 12 Nov 12

smirg kcab says...

here you go paolo ive done some homework for you
The Championship outfit have confirmed that Gabriel Zakuani, Nathaniel Mendez-Laing, Emile Sinclair and Tyrone Barnett have all been made available for transfer.

am i right in saying did paolo want barnett from creepie before he went to the posh?
must be better than the two at present surely?
onwards and downwards
here you go paolo ive done some homework for you The Championship outfit have confirmed that Gabriel Zakuani, Nathaniel Mendez-Laing, Emile Sinclair and Tyrone Barnett have all been made available for transfer. am i right in saying did paolo want barnett from creepie before he went to the posh? must be better than the two at present surely? onwards and downwards smirg kcab
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4:18pm Mon 12 Nov 12

Another view says...

smirg kcab says...
3:43pm Mon 12 Nov 12

Another view wrote:
His after match surprises are no longer surprises. He should get Grim to do the interviews, and he should concentrate on what he's good at, building a football team.

"elaborate more?lol."

- Grim, I just think you would give a more concise summary, along with a few of your trademark barbed comments, rather than 15 minutes of waffle!

Somebody mentioned on here that maybe Paolo should not be interviewed in the heat of the moment, but he would make more sense if interviewed the next day.
smirg kcab says... 3:43pm Mon 12 Nov 12 Another view wrote: His after match surprises are no longer surprises. He should get Grim to do the interviews, and he should concentrate on what he's good at, building a football team. "elaborate more?lol." - Grim, I just think you would give a more concise summary, along with a few of your trademark barbed comments, rather than 15 minutes of waffle! Somebody mentioned on here that maybe Paolo should not be interviewed in the heat of the moment, but he would make more sense if interviewed the next day. Another view
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4:19pm Mon 12 Nov 12

the don69 says...

Come on Chaps!it's simple Paolo's playing down our chances,so we don't expect too much,then if we don't make it,it's oh well we'll do better next season,but if he gets us to the promised land of the Championship!he'll be a hero and tell us he's the best Manager since we invented Football!LOL!!!!!!!!
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Come on Chaps!it's simple Paolo's playing down our chances,so we don't expect too much,then if we don't make it,it's oh well we'll do better next season,but if he gets us to the promised land of the Championship!he'll be a hero and tell us he's the best Manager since we invented Football!LOL!!!!!!!! ! the don69
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4:26pm Mon 12 Nov 12

the don69 says...

smirg kcab wrote:
here you go paolo ive done some homework for you
The Championship outfit have confirmed that Gabriel Zakuani, Nathaniel Mendez-Laing, Emile Sinclair and Tyrone Barnett have all been made available for transfer.

am i right in saying did paolo want barnett from creepie before he went to the posh?
must be better than the two at present surely?
onwards and downwards
Tyrone Barnett might be a good shout Grim?seem to remember he was banging a few goals for the Creepies last season!can't be doing it for the Posh though,if he's available now??????
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: here you go paolo ive done some homework for you The Championship outfit have confirmed that Gabriel Zakuani, Nathaniel Mendez-Laing, Emile Sinclair and Tyrone Barnett have all been made available for transfer. am i right in saying did paolo want barnett from creepie before he went to the posh? must be better than the two at present surely? onwards and downwards[/p][/quote]Tyrone Barnett might be a good shout Grim?seem to remember he was banging a few goals for the Creepies last season!can't be doing it for the Posh though,if he's available now?????? the don69
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4:41pm Mon 12 Nov 12

EastleazeRed says...

the don69 wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
here you go paolo ive done some homework for you
The Championship outfit have confirmed that Gabriel Zakuani, Nathaniel Mendez-Laing, Emile Sinclair and Tyrone Barnett have all been made available for transfer.

am i right in saying did paolo want barnett from creepie before he went to the posh?
must be better than the two at present surely?
onwards and downwards
Tyrone Barnett might be a good shout Grim?seem to remember he was banging a few goals for the Creepies last season!can't be doing it for the Posh though,if he's available now??????
Did'nt they buy Barnet for around a £1000000 ? Out of our price & wage range i think . Anyway if the rumours are true about his and the other players transfer listing , dont think di canio would touch him with a barge pole !
[quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: here you go paolo ive done some homework for you The Championship outfit have confirmed that Gabriel Zakuani, Nathaniel Mendez-Laing, Emile Sinclair and Tyrone Barnett have all been made available for transfer. am i right in saying did paolo want barnett from creepie before he went to the posh? must be better than the two at present surely? onwards and downwards[/p][/quote]Tyrone Barnett might be a good shout Grim?seem to remember he was banging a few goals for the Creepies last season!can't be doing it for the Posh though,if he's available now??????[/p][/quote]Did'nt they buy Barnet for around a £1000000 ? Out of our price & wage range i think . Anyway if the rumours are true about his and the other players transfer listing , dont think di canio would touch him with a barge pole ! EastleazeRed
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4:49pm Mon 12 Nov 12

super reds says...

madterrier wrote:
We've got one of the biggest and best squads. The best owners. One of the biggest budgets. Our average attendances are the sixth highest in League One (and two clubs above us are Coventry and Portsmouth). We currently sit in in 6th place. I'm not interested in talking the talk either way, from manager or from players, whether it's bigging up or playing things down. Let's just do it on the pitch. But realistically, we should be aiming for top six. I bet most fans of other clubs would expect us to be there at the end of the season.
Mad, agree with most of what you say apart from '1 of the biggest squads', had a look at our match day programmes & nearly every team here so far has had a bigger squad than us!!!!
[quote][p][bold]madterrier[/bold] wrote: We've got one of the biggest and best squads. The best owners. One of the biggest budgets. Our average attendances are the sixth highest in League One (and two clubs above us are Coventry and Portsmouth). We currently sit in in 6th place. I'm not interested in talking the talk either way, from manager or from players, whether it's bigging up or playing things down. Let's just do it on the pitch. But realistically, we should be aiming for top six. I bet most fans of other clubs would expect us to be there at the end of the season.[/p][/quote]Mad, agree with most of what you say apart from '1 of the biggest squads', had a look at our match day programmes & nearly every team here so far has had a bigger squad than us!!!! super reds
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4:51pm Mon 12 Nov 12

Oi Den! says...

EastleazeRed wrote:
the don69 wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
here you go paolo ive done some homework for you
The Championship outfit have confirmed that Gabriel Zakuani, Nathaniel Mendez-Laing, Emile Sinclair and Tyrone Barnett have all been made available for transfer.

am i right in saying did paolo want barnett from creepie before he went to the posh?
must be better than the two at present surely?
onwards and downwards
Tyrone Barnett might be a good shout Grim?seem to remember he was banging a few goals for the Creepies last season!can't be doing it for the Posh though,if he's available now??????
Did'nt they buy Barnet for around a £1000000 ? Out of our price & wage range i think . Anyway if the rumours are true about his and the other players transfer listing , dont think di canio would touch him with a barge pole !
It would be a brave man that buys Barnet for £1m - even if they are a nice friendly little club!
[quote][p][bold]EastleazeRed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: here you go paolo ive done some homework for you The Championship outfit have confirmed that Gabriel Zakuani, Nathaniel Mendez-Laing, Emile Sinclair and Tyrone Barnett have all been made available for transfer. am i right in saying did paolo want barnett from creepie before he went to the posh? must be better than the two at present surely? onwards and downwards[/p][/quote]Tyrone Barnett might be a good shout Grim?seem to remember he was banging a few goals for the Creepies last season!can't be doing it for the Posh though,if he's available now??????[/p][/quote]Did'nt they buy Barnet for around a £1000000 ? Out of our price & wage range i think . Anyway if the rumours are true about his and the other players transfer listing , dont think di canio would touch him with a barge pole ![/p][/quote]It would be a brave man that buys Barnet for £1m - even if they are a nice friendly little club! Oi Den!
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4:53pm Mon 12 Nov 12

SeanG92 says...

EastleazeRed wrote:
the don69 wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
here you go paolo ive done some homework for you
The Championship outfit have confirmed that Gabriel Zakuani, Nathaniel Mendez-Laing, Emile Sinclair and Tyrone Barnett have all been made available for transfer.

am i right in saying did paolo want barnett from creepie before he went to the posh?
must be better than the two at present surely?
onwards and downwards
Tyrone Barnett might be a good shout Grim?seem to remember he was banging a few goals for the Creepies last season!can't be doing it for the Posh though,if he's available now??????
Did'nt they buy Barnet for around a £1000000 ? Out of our price & wage range i think . Anyway if the rumours are true about his and the other players transfer listing , dont think di canio would touch him with a barge pole !
Exactly! To get transfer listed it has to be a pretty severe breach of club discipline! I dont think thats the sort of guys PDC would want at STFC
[quote][p][bold]EastleazeRed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: here you go paolo ive done some homework for you The Championship outfit have confirmed that Gabriel Zakuani, Nathaniel Mendez-Laing, Emile Sinclair and Tyrone Barnett have all been made available for transfer. am i right in saying did paolo want barnett from creepie before he went to the posh? must be better than the two at present surely? onwards and downwards[/p][/quote]Tyrone Barnett might be a good shout Grim?seem to remember he was banging a few goals for the Creepies last season!can't be doing it for the Posh though,if he's available now??????[/p][/quote]Did'nt they buy Barnet for around a £1000000 ? Out of our price & wage range i think . Anyway if the rumours are true about his and the other players transfer listing , dont think di canio would touch him with a barge pole ![/p][/quote]Exactly! To get transfer listed it has to be a pretty severe breach of club discipline! I dont think thats the sort of guys PDC would want at STFC SeanG92
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5:08pm Mon 12 Nov 12

London Red says...

Den - part of projected revenue can be updated month on month based on new information
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For example if we get a few bumper crowds (like Coventry @ about 10k) we can increase our matchday number as we only budgeted for say 7,500 - so can account for that extra 2,500
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I'm guessing it is based on actual average against predicted average
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So our 8,184 average could be higher than a predicted 7,500 - and allow us to boost the prediction - if by end of Nov that is higher again so could the projection be etc
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Likewise cost can be amended as the squad changes - so at present we will being budgeted to be paying 100% of Risser's wages in Jan to May - yet an extension to his loan or a sale will change that
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However, I don't think you will be able to budget for Equity injections as this can not be based on anything like matchday figures etc
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I very much doubt the FL will allow "projected" equity to be counted!
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This like Net Transfer Fees is likely to be only allowed on an actual basis - so without it actually being put in will not be registered as revenue
Den - part of projected revenue can be updated month on month based on new information . For example if we get a few bumper crowds (like Coventry @ about 10k) we can increase our matchday number as we only budgeted for say 7,500 - so can account for that extra 2,500 . I'm guessing it is based on actual average against predicted average . So our 8,184 average could be higher than a predicted 7,500 - and allow us to boost the prediction - if by end of Nov that is higher again so could the projection be etc . Likewise cost can be amended as the squad changes - so at present we will being budgeted to be paying 100% of Risser's wages in Jan to May - yet an extension to his loan or a sale will change that . However, I don't think you will be able to budget for Equity injections as this can not be based on anything like matchday figures etc . I very much doubt the FL will allow "projected" equity to be counted! . This like Net Transfer Fees is likely to be only allowed on an actual basis - so without it actually being put in will not be registered as revenue London Red
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5:12pm Mon 12 Nov 12

the don69 says...

Oi Den! wrote:
EastleazeRed wrote:
the don69 wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
here you go paolo ive done some homework for you
The Championship outfit have confirmed that Gabriel Zakuani, Nathaniel Mendez-Laing, Emile Sinclair and Tyrone Barnett have all been made available for transfer.

am i right in saying did paolo want barnett from creepie before he went to the posh?
must be better than the two at present surely?
onwards and downwards
Tyrone Barnett might be a good shout Grim?seem to remember he was banging a few goals for the Creepies last season!can't be doing it for the Posh though,if he's available now??????
Did'nt they buy Barnet for around a £1000000 ? Out of our price & wage range i think . Anyway if the rumours are true about his and the other players transfer listing , dont think di canio would touch him with a barge pole !
It would be a brave man that buys Barnet for £1m - even if they are a nice friendly little club!
Be worth a try to get him on loan,cause we know Paolo thinks he's a good player!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]EastleazeRed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: here you go paolo ive done some homework for you The Championship outfit have confirmed that Gabriel Zakuani, Nathaniel Mendez-Laing, Emile Sinclair and Tyrone Barnett have all been made available for transfer. am i right in saying did paolo want barnett from creepie before he went to the posh? must be better than the two at present surely? onwards and downwards[/p][/quote]Tyrone Barnett might be a good shout Grim?seem to remember he was banging a few goals for the Creepies last season!can't be doing it for the Posh though,if he's available now??????[/p][/quote]Did'nt they buy Barnet for around a £1000000 ? Out of our price & wage range i think . Anyway if the rumours are true about his and the other players transfer listing , dont think di canio would touch him with a barge pole ![/p][/quote]It would be a brave man that buys Barnet for £1m - even if they are a nice friendly little club![/p][/quote]Be worth a try to get him on loan,cause we know Paolo thinks he's a good player!!!!!!! the don69
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5:33pm Mon 12 Nov 12

RamsburyRed says...

Oi Den! wrote:
RamsburyRed wrote: There's an interesting implication here that the Board is prepared to invest for a future promotion push, having consolidated in L1 this year. * Unless this is dependent on new investors coming in, I can't see the logic of deferring it, especially given our current position.
RR, I don't think that's really what is being said (or left unsaid). My reading of it is that the board are aiming for promotion but will not be too disappointed if we don't make it, given that the original target was to get to the next level within 3 years of PDC's arrival. I think PDC is being told "You've been given the resources you were promised; do what you can with them." They have made it clear that he's not getting any more than the planned £4.5m, most of which is already spoken for. . I agree that we should be pushing on and trying to get up this year. We don't want a repeat of 3 years ago, when our promotion charge ended with a whimper and the best players were allowed to leave. But I don't expect the board to keep throwing money at it to try to ensure we achieve it.. Black has already been generous enough to put more money in this season than was planned, to dig us out of the transfer embargo. There has to be a line drawn somewhere. . In any case, there is no guarantee that spending more on players this season is going to get us promotion. What if Black takes the gamble, puts in another significant amount of cash this season, and we don't make it? We might be left with a big squad that we need to trim for another attempt next season and have a smaller playing budget because we've already taken a chunk of it this season.
I certainly agree that the Board should not throw money at it, nor do I expect them to. Their support for the club since the takeover has been exemplary.
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Maybe it's the way PDC says it, but it struck me as odd.
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Another way of looking at it is that we have a certain amount of 'dead wood' in the squad now (in PDC's view) but it's better to wait for contracts to expire otherwise (unless we can sell them) we will have more pay-offs - which have to go into the budget somewhere.
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Take Luke Rooney - it seems he's not going to play for us again, so if we can sell him in Jannuary that will be a real coup and would free up a wage too. Otherwise I guess our best option is to loan him out until his contract expires - but then he goes on a free. I know LR will argue that the fee we paid is not 'wasted money' but a club like ours cannot afford to keep paying transfer fees and then letting the players go for nowt.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RamsburyRed[/bold] wrote: There's an interesting implication here that the Board is prepared to invest for a future promotion push, having consolidated in L1 this year. * Unless this is dependent on new investors coming in, I can't see the logic of deferring it, especially given our current position.[/p][/quote]RR, I don't think that's really what is being said (or left unsaid). My reading of it is that the board are aiming for promotion but will not be too disappointed if we don't make it, given that the original target was to get to the next level within 3 years of PDC's arrival. I think PDC is being told "You've been given the resources you were promised; do what you can with them." They have made it clear that he's not getting any more than the planned £4.5m, most of which is already spoken for. . I agree that we should be pushing on and trying to get up this year. We don't want a repeat of 3 years ago, when our promotion charge ended with a whimper and the best players were allowed to leave. But I don't expect the board to keep throwing money at it to try to ensure we achieve it.. Black has already been generous enough to put more money in this season than was planned, to dig us out of the transfer embargo. There has to be a line drawn somewhere. . In any case, there is no guarantee that spending more on players this season is going to get us promotion. What if Black takes the gamble, puts in another significant amount of cash this season, and we don't make it? We might be left with a big squad that we need to trim for another attempt next season and have a smaller playing budget because we've already taken a chunk of it this season.[/p][/quote]I certainly agree that the Board should not throw money at it, nor do I expect them to. Their support for the club since the takeover has been exemplary. * Maybe it's the way PDC says it, but it struck me as odd. * Another way of looking at it is that we have a certain amount of 'dead wood' in the squad now (in PDC's view) but it's better to wait for contracts to expire otherwise (unless we can sell them) we will have more pay-offs - which have to go into the budget somewhere. * Take Luke Rooney - it seems he's not going to play for us again, so if we can sell him in Jannuary that will be a real coup and would free up a wage too. Otherwise I guess our best option is to loan him out until his contract expires - but then he goes on a free. I know LR will argue that the fee we paid is not 'wasted money' but a club like ours cannot afford to keep paying transfer fees and then letting the players go for nowt. RamsburyRed
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5:35pm Mon 12 Nov 12

Old-Stager, Hilperton says...

Leon Clarke has scored 20 goals in just 36 games since he left us little over a year ago.
9 goals in 14 games for Chesterfield
0 goals in 7 for Charlton Ath
1 goal in 3 for Crawley Town
10 goals in 12 for Scunthorpe Utd.
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His record almost compares with Charlie Austin.
Leon Clarke has scored 20 goals in just 36 games since he left us little over a year ago. 9 goals in 14 games for Chesterfield 0 goals in 7 for Charlton Ath 1 goal in 3 for Crawley Town 10 goals in 12 for Scunthorpe Utd. . His record almost compares with Charlie Austin. Old-Stager, Hilperton
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6:16pm Mon 12 Nov 12

Okus Road says...

Old-Stager, Hilperton wrote:
Leon Clarke has scored 20 goals in just 36 games since he left us little over a year ago.
9 goals in 14 games for Chesterfield
0 goals in 7 for Charlton Ath
1 goal in 3 for Crawley Town
10 goals in 12 for Scunthorpe Utd.
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His record almost compares with Charlie Austin.
No one disputes he is a proven goalscorer but he did not fit into the Paolo way. Get over it.

I still believe that (glass half full) Williams and Collins will come good in 2013

We will finish in the top two with the pair of them hitting double figures
[quote][p][bold]Old-Stager, Hilperton[/bold] wrote: Leon Clarke has scored 20 goals in just 36 games since he left us little over a year ago. 9 goals in 14 games for Chesterfield 0 goals in 7 for Charlton Ath 1 goal in 3 for Crawley Town 10 goals in 12 for Scunthorpe Utd. . His record almost compares with Charlie Austin.[/p][/quote]No one disputes he is a proven goalscorer but he did not fit into the Paolo way. Get over it. I still believe that (glass half full) Williams and Collins will come good in 2013 We will finish in the top two with the pair of them hitting double figures Okus Road
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6:20pm Mon 12 Nov 12

Ollie Reed's Parky dance! says...

Old-Stager, Hilperton wrote:
Leon Clarke has scored 20 goals in just 36 games since he left us little over a year ago.
9 goals in 14 games for Chesterfield
0 goals in 7 for Charlton Ath
1 goal in 3 for Crawley Town
10 goals in 12 for Scunthorpe Utd.
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His record almost compares with Charlie Austin.
Yes but that does not account for the damaging effect he would have in the changing room for team moral etc. We would be near the bottom playing a lot worse than we are and not three points off automatic!
[quote][p][bold]Old-Stager, Hilperton[/bold] wrote: Leon Clarke has scored 20 goals in just 36 games since he left us little over a year ago. 9 goals in 14 games for Chesterfield 0 goals in 7 for Charlton Ath 1 goal in 3 for Crawley Town 10 goals in 12 for Scunthorpe Utd. . His record almost compares with Charlie Austin.[/p][/quote]Yes but that does not account for the damaging effect he would have in the changing room for team moral etc. We would be near the bottom playing a lot worse than we are and not three points off automatic! Ollie Reed's Parky dance!
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6:25pm Mon 12 Nov 12

Oi Den! says...

LR, fair enough. I think you are probably right about not allowing future equity injections to be counted in projected turnover, which leads me to believe that the amount recently put in by AB must have been additional to what was intended - otherwise he would have put it all in earlier and avoided the possibility of an embargo, wouldn't he?
LR, fair enough. I think you are probably right about not allowing future equity injections to be counted in projected turnover, which leads me to believe that the amount recently put in by AB must have been additional to what was intended - otherwise he would have put it all in earlier and avoided the possibility of an embargo, wouldn't he? Oi Den!
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6:36pm Mon 12 Nov 12

notfromroundeere says...

the don69 wrote:
Come on Chaps!it's simple Paolo's playing down our chances,so we don't expect too much,then if we don't make it,it's oh well we'll do better next season,but if he gets us to the promised land of the Championship!he'll be a hero and tell us he's the best Manager since we invented Football!LOL!!!!!!!!

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Spot on! Anyone who believes that Paolo is not gunning for promotion this year, will just have to see his reaction at the first poor result!
[quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: Come on Chaps!it's simple Paolo's playing down our chances,so we don't expect too much,then if we don't make it,it's oh well we'll do better next season,but if he gets us to the promised land of the Championship!he'll be a hero and tell us he's the best Manager since we invented Football!LOL!!!!!!!! ![/p][/quote]Spot on! Anyone who believes that Paolo is not gunning for promotion this year, will just have to see his reaction at the first poor result! notfromroundeere
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6:42pm Mon 12 Nov 12

London Red says...

Based on the original plan - I Guess it is acase of why put in X in Aug if not needed until Jan?
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If you have the option to pay all now or in six months time (at no extra cost) would your pay now? Most won't - I know I never do!
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Though I think your question there is exactly what PdC was asking!
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Why wait 5 weeks to do it - why not do it straight away and avoid all this fiasco over the past month or so!
Based on the original plan - I Guess it is acase of why put in X in Aug if not needed until Jan? . If you have the option to pay all now or in six months time (at no extra cost) would your pay now? Most won't - I know I never do! . Though I think your question there is exactly what PdC was asking! . Why wait 5 weeks to do it - why not do it straight away and avoid all this fiasco over the past month or so! London Red
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6:46pm Mon 12 Nov 12

Oi Den! says...

Ollie Reed's Parky dance! wrote:
Old-Stager, Hilperton wrote:
Leon Clarke has scored 20 goals in just 36 games since he left us little over a year ago.
9 goals in 14 games for Chesterfield
0 goals in 7 for Charlton Ath
1 goal in 3 for Crawley Town
10 goals in 12 for Scunthorpe Utd.
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His record almost compares with Charlie Austin.
Yes but that does not account for the damaging effect he would have in the changing room for team moral etc. We would be near the bottom playing a lot worse than we are and not three points off automatic!
It's all history now but I don't think there was any indication that he would have been a bad influence on the dressing room or team morale. He just had a barney with PDC - not exactly a rare event at STFC. I still think it's a great shame that the two of them couldn't settle their differences like grown men instead of behaving like petulant schoolkids. I'm convinced Clarke was just the striker we were looking for then and that he'd still have been doing a good job for us now if they had sorted it out. PDC had actually persuaded a player to join us who was too good for that division. I think he could have and should have worked harder to heal the rift.
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Having said all that, I don't believe we have any worries on the striker front. We do need that tough tackling midfielder though. A fit, disciplined and motivated Jonathan Douglas would do nicely.
[quote][p][bold]Ollie Reed's Parky dance![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old-Stager, Hilperton[/bold] wrote: Leon Clarke has scored 20 goals in just 36 games since he left us little over a year ago. 9 goals in 14 games for Chesterfield 0 goals in 7 for Charlton Ath 1 goal in 3 for Crawley Town 10 goals in 12 for Scunthorpe Utd. . His record almost compares with Charlie Austin.[/p][/quote]Yes but that does not account for the damaging effect he would have in the changing room for team moral etc. We would be near the bottom playing a lot worse than we are and not three points off automatic![/p][/quote]It's all history now but I don't think there was any indication that he would have been a bad influence on the dressing room or team morale. He just had a barney with PDC - not exactly a rare event at STFC. I still think it's a great shame that the two of them couldn't settle their differences like grown men instead of behaving like petulant schoolkids. I'm convinced Clarke was just the striker we were looking for then and that he'd still have been doing a good job for us now if they had sorted it out. PDC had actually persuaded a player to join us who was too good for that division. I think he could have and should have worked harder to heal the rift. . Having said all that, I don't believe we have any worries on the striker front. We do need that tough tackling midfielder though. A fit, disciplined and motivated Jonathan Douglas would do nicely. Oi Den!
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6:48pm Mon 12 Nov 12

London Red says...

Though it could be argued he was doing a wait and see if it was actually needed in Jan
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We might have landed a Man U away cup tie or Austin could be sold for £10m in he first week of Jan - all which meant he might not of then needed to have injected it to allow the £4.5m
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So it could have always been budgeted as a contingency which has been activated
Though it could be argued he was doing a wait and see if it was actually needed in Jan . We might have landed a Man U away cup tie or Austin could be sold for £10m in he first week of Jan - all which meant he might not of then needed to have injected it to allow the £4.5m . So it could have always been budgeted as a contingency which has been activated London Red
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6:50pm Mon 12 Nov 12

dreamofacleansheet2 says...

Okus Red and Ollie Reed bravi, couldn;t have put it better myself.

Den I think that Andrew Black was surprised by the full amount didn't want to release extra funds early unless he had to, but did because of injury problems.

As London said though it's probably the amount budgeted for January, but better in your own bank account!

I'm delighted Paolo says this, much better, praises players then takes pressure off them. Two home games to come. We need to sort our home form which I'm sure we'll do.

As per Grim heavily invested on us winning the league with the bookies. Fully expect sale of Caddis and purchase of Bostock in January with money left over to strenghten elsewhere should he see fit. That doesn't include money from Charlie in my budget London!

Also Collins is 21 give him a break, Williams scored 17 last year. Relax it'll come.
Okus Red and Ollie Reed bravi, couldn;t have put it better myself. Den I think that Andrew Black was surprised by the full amount didn't want to release extra funds early unless he had to, but did because of injury problems. As London said though it's probably the amount budgeted for January, but better in your own bank account! I'm delighted Paolo says this, much better, praises players then takes pressure off them. Two home games to come. We need to sort our home form which I'm sure we'll do. As per Grim heavily invested on us winning the league with the bookies. Fully expect sale of Caddis and purchase of Bostock in January with money left over to strenghten elsewhere should he see fit. That doesn't include money from Charlie in my budget London! Also Collins is 21 give him a break, Williams scored 17 last year. Relax it'll come. dreamofacleansheet2
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6:56pm Mon 12 Nov 12

Oi Den! says...

London Red wrote:
Based on the original plan - I Guess it is acase of why put in X in Aug if not needed until Jan?
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If you have the option to pay all now or in six months time (at no extra cost) would your pay now? Most won't - I know I never do!
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Though I think your question there is exactly what PdC was asking!
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Why wait 5 weeks to do it - why not do it straight away and avoid all this fiasco over the past month or so!
Blimey - "avoid all this fiasco"? I think the fiasco should have been avoided by others. Black's actions amounted to digging other people out of the sh!t - and I still think it was an additional and unintended contribution.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Based on the original plan - I Guess it is acase of why put in X in Aug if not needed until Jan? . If you have the option to pay all now or in six months time (at no extra cost) would your pay now? Most won't - I know I never do! . Though I think your question there is exactly what PdC was asking! . Why wait 5 weeks to do it - why not do it straight away and avoid all this fiasco over the past month or so![/p][/quote]Blimey - "avoid all this fiasco"? I think the fiasco should have been avoided by others. Black's actions amounted to digging other people out of the sh!t - and I still think it was an additional and unintended contribution. Oi Den!
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6:57pm Mon 12 Nov 12

London Red says...

Didn't Williams also only have 3 at Xmas last year and then went on a run?
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Injury has clearly set him back - so hopefully once back up to speed will have a run - like 3 in 3 before the injury
Didn't Williams also only have 3 at Xmas last year and then went on a run? . Injury has clearly set him back - so hopefully once back up to speed will have a run - like 3 in 3 before the injury London Red
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7:05pm Mon 12 Nov 12

Oi Den! says...

Aye, Aye, Aye... Fallon was better than Austin, Magera was better than Leon Clarke... and LR is wrong with his costin' !
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Sorry - very poor, I know, and you'll need to be of a certain age to understand it anyway.
Aye, Aye, Aye... Fallon was better than Austin, Magera was better than Leon Clarke... and LR is wrong with his costin' ! . Sorry - very poor, I know, and you'll need to be of a certain age to understand it anyway. Oi Den!
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7:06pm Mon 12 Nov 12

Oi Den! says...

I'm with you on Williams anyway LR!
I'm with you on Williams anyway LR! Oi Den!
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7:06pm Mon 12 Nov 12

Mondeaux says...

Old-Stager, Hilperton wrote:
Leon Clarke has scored 20 goals in just 36 games since he left us little over a year ago.
9 goals in 14 games for Chesterfield
0 goals in 7 for Charlton Ath
1 goal in 3 for Crawley Town
10 goals in 12 for Scunthorpe Utd.
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His record almost compares with Charlie Austin.
To misquote a US Congressman, "Leon Clarke is no John Fitzgerald Kennedy."

He's no Charlie Austin either.
[quote][p][bold]Old-Stager, Hilperton[/bold] wrote: Leon Clarke has scored 20 goals in just 36 games since he left us little over a year ago. 9 goals in 14 games for Chesterfield 0 goals in 7 for Charlton Ath 1 goal in 3 for Crawley Town 10 goals in 12 for Scunthorpe Utd. . His record almost compares with Charlie Austin.[/p][/quote]To misquote a US Congressman, "Leon Clarke is no John Fitzgerald Kennedy." He's no Charlie Austin either. Mondeaux
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7:12pm Mon 12 Nov 12

London Red says...

I'm still not sure how you can think that considering we are under the £4.5m budget
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How could we have ever got to that level then without any extra equity?
I'm still not sure how you can think that considering we are under the £4.5m budget . How could we have ever got to that level then without any extra equity? London Red
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7:15pm Mon 12 Nov 12

mikek says...

Rather be talking about the players wearing the shirt of STFC than all this garbage about ex players this and ex players that. That my friends is called history so lets move on and support our players to start banging them in. Leon who?
Rather be talking about the players wearing the shirt of STFC than all this garbage about ex players this and ex players that. That my friends is called history so lets move on and support our players to start banging them in. Leon who? mikek
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7:19pm Mon 12 Nov 12

Oi Den! says...

mikek wrote:
Rather be talking about the players wearing the shirt of STFC than all this garbage about ex players this and ex players that. That my friends is called history so lets move on and support our players to start banging them in. Leon who?
Quite right Mike - apologies for the digression.
[quote][p][bold]mikek[/bold] wrote: Rather be talking about the players wearing the shirt of STFC than all this garbage about ex players this and ex players that. That my friends is called history so lets move on and support our players to start banging them in. Leon who?[/p][/quote]Quite right Mike - apologies for the digression. Oi Den!
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7:23pm Mon 12 Nov 12

jayden says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Ollie Reed's Parky dance! wrote:
Old-Stager, Hilperton wrote:
Leon Clarke has scored 20 goals in just 36 games since he left us little over a year ago.
9 goals in 14 games for Chesterfield
0 goals in 7 for Charlton Ath
1 goal in 3 for Crawley Town
10 goals in 12 for Scunthorpe Utd.
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His record almost compares with Charlie Austin.
Yes but that does not account for the damaging effect he would have in the changing room for team moral etc. We would be near the bottom playing a lot worse than we are and not three points off automatic!
It's all history now but I don't think there was any indication that he would have been a bad influence on the dressing room or team morale. He just had a barney with PDC - not exactly a rare event at STFC. I still think it's a great shame that the two of them couldn't settle their differences like grown men instead of behaving like petulant schoolkids. I'm convinced Clarke was just the striker we were looking for then and that he'd still have been doing a good job for us now if they had sorted it out. PDC had actually persuaded a player to join us who was too good for that division. I think he could have and should have worked harder to heal the rift.
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Having said all that, I don't believe we have any worries on the striker front. We do need that tough tackling midfielder though. A fit, disciplined and motivated Jonathan Douglas would do nicely.
Hi Den cant agree with you on these 2 both players have shown what they thought of our club .
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ollie Reed's Parky dance![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old-Stager, Hilperton[/bold] wrote: Leon Clarke has scored 20 goals in just 36 games since he left us little over a year ago. 9 goals in 14 games for Chesterfield 0 goals in 7 for Charlton Ath 1 goal in 3 for Crawley Town 10 goals in 12 for Scunthorpe Utd. . His record almost compares with Charlie Austin.[/p][/quote]Yes but that does not account for the damaging effect he would have in the changing room for team moral etc. We would be near the bottom playing a lot worse than we are and not three points off automatic![/p][/quote]It's all history now but I don't think there was any indication that he would have been a bad influence on the dressing room or team morale. He just had a barney with PDC - not exactly a rare event at STFC. I still think it's a great shame that the two of them couldn't settle their differences like grown men instead of behaving like petulant schoolkids. I'm convinced Clarke was just the striker we were looking for then and that he'd still have been doing a good job for us now if they had sorted it out. PDC had actually persuaded a player to join us who was too good for that division. I think he could have and should have worked harder to heal the rift. . Having said all that, I don't believe we have any worries on the striker front. We do need that tough tackling midfielder though. A fit, disciplined and motivated Jonathan Douglas would do nicely.[/p][/quote]Hi Den cant agree with you on these 2 both players have shown what they thought of our club . jayden
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7:25pm Mon 12 Nov 12

Oi Den! says...

London Red wrote:
I'm still not sure how you can think that considering we are under the £4.5m budget
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How could we have ever got to that level then without any extra equity?
Without seeing all the figures, I don't think any of us can know for sure one way or the other. I've just listened to Sir WP's Q&A again. He said "The owners have made additional equity funds available" and later on "... have been able to see a way through to putting in more equity". It doesn't sound like a planned investment.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: I'm still not sure how you can think that considering we are under the £4.5m budget . How could we have ever got to that level then without any extra equity?[/p][/quote]Without seeing all the figures, I don't think any of us can know for sure one way or the other. I've just listened to Sir WP's Q&A again. He said "The owners have made additional equity funds available" and later on "... have been able to see a way through to putting in more equity". It doesn't sound like a planned investment. Oi Den!
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7:26pm Mon 12 Nov 12

mikek says...

Oi Den! wrote:
mikek wrote:
Rather be talking about the players wearing the shirt of STFC than all this garbage about ex players this and ex players that. That my friends is called history so lets move on and support our players to start banging them in. Leon who?
Quite right Mike - apologies for the digression.
Not a problem there Den, just think all this chat about Clarke is not going to change anything at STFC. But fans support for our strikers could.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mikek[/bold] wrote: Rather be talking about the players wearing the shirt of STFC than all this garbage about ex players this and ex players that. That my friends is called history so lets move on and support our players to start banging them in. Leon who?[/p][/quote]Quite right Mike - apologies for the digression.[/p][/quote]Not a problem there Den, just think all this chat about Clarke is not going to change anything at STFC. But fans support for our strikers could. mikek
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7:35pm Mon 12 Nov 12

Robin of Andover says...

Disappointed to hear that top six is unrealistic. We are certainly in the top six teams in Div 1 and from the start of this season I confidently expect STFC to finish in the top six - first or second would be brilliant, third to sixth will be good and we can take our chances through the play-offs. I agree with taking the spotlight away from us for a while but I'm sure there are plenty of clubs in Div 1 who respect Swindon Town as a very good side and think that top six is where we will finish this season
Disappointed to hear that top six is unrealistic. We are certainly in the top six teams in Div 1 and from the start of this season I confidently expect STFC to finish in the top six - first or second would be brilliant, third to sixth will be good and we can take our chances through the play-offs. I agree with taking the spotlight away from us for a while but I'm sure there are plenty of clubs in Div 1 who respect Swindon Town as a very good side and think that top six is where we will finish this season Robin of Andover
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7:35pm Mon 12 Nov 12

London Red says...

Fair enough - guess it depends on your interpretation - additional equity doesn't have to mean unplanned it can simply mean share capital has been increased
.
As or the see a way part - I thought he was suggesting even more could be invested later on - rather than the amounts added now - might be completely wrong on that part though
.
Anyway we should be moving away from all this now and refocusing on the on field activities again - which should be on the up looking at the fixtures
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Some big games coming up with 4 promotion rivals (3 at home) - so we could be right in the mix by Christmas
Fair enough - guess it depends on your interpretation - additional equity doesn't have to mean unplanned it can simply mean share capital has been increased . As or the see a way part - I thought he was suggesting even more could be invested later on - rather than the amounts added now - might be completely wrong on that part though . Anyway we should be moving away from all this now and refocusing on the on field activities again - which should be on the up looking at the fixtures . Some big games coming up with 4 promotion rivals (3 at home) - so we could be right in the mix by Christmas London Red
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7:41pm Mon 12 Nov 12

Oi Den! says...

Evening jayden. Fair enough. I wasn't trying to defend the behaviour of either of them. I did say Clarke behaved like a petulant schoolkid and Douglas would fit the bill as our missing midfielder if he was fit, disciplined and motivated - and he was none of those things at the end of his time with us. I think Douglas and Ferry formed one of the finest midfield partnerships we've ever had. I'm not trying to turn the clock back - just saying that they are the type of player we are missing. But I do have faith in our strikers - and I might even have a little more faith in our midfielders than PDC does, judging by the way the ball has been bypassing them lately!
Evening jayden. Fair enough. I wasn't trying to defend the behaviour of either of them. I did say Clarke behaved like a petulant schoolkid and Douglas would fit the bill as our missing midfielder if he was fit, disciplined and motivated - and he was none of those things at the end of his time with us. I think Douglas and Ferry formed one of the finest midfield partnerships we've ever had. I'm not trying to turn the clock back - just saying that they are the type of player we are missing. But I do have faith in our strikers - and I might even have a little more faith in our midfielders than PDC does, judging by the way the ball has been bypassing them lately! Oi Den!
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7:48pm Mon 12 Nov 12

jayden says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Evening jayden. Fair enough. I wasn't trying to defend the behaviour of either of them. I did say Clarke behaved like a petulant schoolkid and Douglas would fit the bill as our missing midfielder if he was fit, disciplined and motivated - and he was none of those things at the end of his time with us. I think Douglas and Ferry formed one of the finest midfield partnerships we've ever had. I'm not trying to turn the clock back - just saying that they are the type of player we are missing. But I do have faith in our strikers - and I might even have a little more faith in our midfielders than PDC does, judging by the way the ball has been bypassing them lately!
AH yes nice one Den.I will give you a report on the youth game wednesday Den.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Evening jayden. Fair enough. I wasn't trying to defend the behaviour of either of them. I did say Clarke behaved like a petulant schoolkid and Douglas would fit the bill as our missing midfielder if he was fit, disciplined and motivated - and he was none of those things at the end of his time with us. I think Douglas and Ferry formed one of the finest midfield partnerships we've ever had. I'm not trying to turn the clock back - just saying that they are the type of player we are missing. But I do have faith in our strikers - and I might even have a little more faith in our midfielders than PDC does, judging by the way the ball has been bypassing them lately![/p][/quote]AH yes nice one Den.I will give you a report on the youth game wednesday Den. jayden
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7:58pm Mon 12 Nov 12

smirg kcab says...

SeanG92 wrote:
EastleazeRed wrote:
the don69 wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
here you go paolo ive done some homework for you
The Championship outfit have confirmed that Gabriel Zakuani, Nathaniel Mendez-Laing, Emile Sinclair and Tyrone Barnett have all been made available for transfer.

am i right in saying did paolo want barnett from creepie before he went to the posh?
must be better than the two at present surely?
onwards and downwards
Tyrone Barnett might be a good shout Grim?seem to remember he was banging a few goals for the Creepies last season!can't be doing it for the Posh though,if he's available now??????
Did'nt they buy Barnet for around a £1000000 ? Out of our price & wage range i think . Anyway if the rumours are true about his and the other players transfer listing , dont think di canio would touch him with a barge pole !
Exactly! To get transfer listed it has to be a pretty severe breach of club discipline! I dont think thats the sort of guys PDC would want at STFC
No after all he his after a man who has got to appear in court in Newcastle for fighting.
Jones has confirmed on sky that he still maybe available to go out on loan.
So Maldine deal could still happen even tho he scored on Friday.
Also I was thinking loan for Barnett to the above post
[quote][p][bold]SeanG92[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]EastleazeRed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: here you go paolo ive done some homework for you The Championship outfit have confirmed that Gabriel Zakuani, Nathaniel Mendez-Laing, Emile Sinclair and Tyrone Barnett have all been made available for transfer. am i right in saying did paolo want barnett from creepie before he went to the posh? must be better than the two at present surely? onwards and downwards[/p][/quote]Tyrone Barnett might be a good shout Grim?seem to remember he was banging a few goals for the Creepies last season!can't be doing it for the Posh though,if he's available now??????[/p][/quote]Did'nt they buy Barnet for around a £1000000 ? Out of our price & wage range i think . Anyway if the rumours are true about his and the other players transfer listing , dont think di canio would touch him with a barge pole ![/p][/quote]Exactly! To get transfer listed it has to be a pretty severe breach of club discipline! I dont think thats the sort of guys PDC would want at STFC[/p][/quote]No after all he his after a man who has got to appear in court in Newcastle for fighting. Jones has confirmed on sky that he still maybe available to go out on loan. So Maldine deal could still happen even tho he scored on Friday. Also I was thinking loan for Barnett to the above post smirg kcab
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8:01pm Mon 12 Nov 12

smirg kcab says...

Okus Road wrote:
Old-Stager, Hilperton wrote:
Leon Clarke has scored 20 goals in just 36 games since he left us little over a year ago.
9 goals in 14 games for Chesterfield
0 goals in 7 for Charlton Ath
1 goal in 3 for Crawley Town
10 goals in 12 for Scunthorpe Utd.
.
His record almost compares with Charlie Austin.
No one disputes he is a proven goalscorer but he did not fit into the Paolo way. Get over it.

I still believe that (glass half full) Williams and Collins will come good in 2013

We will finish in the top two with the pair of them hitting double figures
Okus pericard and dossevi should have been given more time.
Mr foldy arms told us
Onwards and downwards.
[quote][p][bold]Okus Road[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old-Stager, Hilperton[/bold] wrote: Leon Clarke has scored 20 goals in just 36 games since he left us little over a year ago. 9 goals in 14 games for Chesterfield 0 goals in 7 for Charlton Ath 1 goal in 3 for Crawley Town 10 goals in 12 for Scunthorpe Utd. . His record almost compares with Charlie Austin.[/p][/quote]No one disputes he is a proven goalscorer but he did not fit into the Paolo way. Get over it. I still believe that (glass half full) Williams and Collins will come good in 2013 We will finish in the top two with the pair of them hitting double figures[/p][/quote]Okus pericard and dossevi should have been given more time. Mr foldy arms told us Onwards and downwards. smirg kcab
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8:15pm Mon 12 Nov 12

mikek says...

Man United's young striker Joshua King linked to Town on that silly rumours site where it also says Liverpool are in for Miles Storey in January yes we can swap him for Suarez , blimey I'm getting as bad as some others on this forum. Mind you reckon this Utd player is worth a look and certainly a solid unit and very quick. Question for fellow fans are coloured strikers better than white guy's as it always seems to me they are when you watch footy on the box.
Man United's young striker Joshua King linked to Town on that silly rumours site where it also says Liverpool are in for Miles Storey in January yes we can swap him for Suarez , blimey I'm getting as bad as some others on this forum. Mind you reckon this Utd player is worth a look and certainly a solid unit and very quick. Question for fellow fans are coloured strikers better than white guy's as it always seems to me they are when you watch footy on the box. mikek
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8:19pm Mon 12 Nov 12

smirg kcab says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Evening jayden. Fair enough. I wasn't trying to defend the behaviour of either of them. I did say Clarke behaved like a petulant schoolkid and Douglas would fit the bill as our missing midfielder if he was fit, disciplined and motivated - and he was none of those things at the end of his time with us. I think Douglas and Ferry formed one of the finest midfield partnerships we've ever had. I'm not trying to turn the clock back - just saying that they are the type of player we are missing. But I do have faith in our strikers - and I might even have a little more faith in our midfielders than PDC does, judging by the way the ball has been bypassing them lately!
Den Harold shipman still could have been a great doctor if he was fit motivated and disciplined and you forgot the greed word which both shipman and Douglas was.
Always like your post as you stick on the fence and think before you post, so I take Mondays are not your best day of the week so you can be excused for one bad post.
Onwards and downwards
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Evening jayden. Fair enough. I wasn't trying to defend the behaviour of either of them. I did say Clarke behaved like a petulant schoolkid and Douglas would fit the bill as our missing midfielder if he was fit, disciplined and motivated - and he was none of those things at the end of his time with us. I think Douglas and Ferry formed one of the finest midfield partnerships we've ever had. I'm not trying to turn the clock back - just saying that they are the type of player we are missing. But I do have faith in our strikers - and I might even have a little more faith in our midfielders than PDC does, judging by the way the ball has been bypassing them lately![/p][/quote]Den Harold shipman still could have been a great doctor if he was fit motivated and disciplined and you forgot the greed word which both shipman and Douglas was. Always like your post as you stick on the fence and think before you post, so I take Mondays are not your best day of the week so you can be excused for one bad post. Onwards and downwards smirg kcab
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8:20pm Mon 12 Nov 12

Malkym says...

Williams and Collins won't score 20 league goals between them!
Williams and Collins won't score 20 league goals between them! Malkym
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8:27pm Mon 12 Nov 12

mikek says...

mikek wrote:
Man United's young striker Joshua King linked to Town on that silly rumours site where it also says Liverpool are in for Miles Storey in January yes we can swap him for Suarez , blimey I'm getting as bad as some others on this forum. Mind you reckon this Utd player is worth a look and certainly a solid unit and very quick. Question for fellow fans are coloured strikers better than white guy's as it always seems to me they are when you watch footy on the box.
Williams and Collins or Tossevi and Pericrap may be that theory goes out of the window on these comparisons.
[quote][p][bold]mikek[/bold] wrote: Man United's young striker Joshua King linked to Town on that silly rumours site where it also says Liverpool are in for Miles Storey in January yes we can swap him for Suarez , blimey I'm getting as bad as some others on this forum. Mind you reckon this Utd player is worth a look and certainly a solid unit and very quick. Question for fellow fans are coloured strikers better than white guy's as it always seems to me they are when you watch footy on the box.[/p][/quote]Williams and Collins or Tossevi and Pericrap may be that theory goes out of the window on these comparisons. mikek
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8:45pm Mon 12 Nov 12

Okus Road says...

smirg kcab wrote:
Okus Road wrote:
Old-Stager, Hilperton wrote:
Leon Clarke has scored 20 goals in just 36 games since he left us little over a year ago.
9 goals in 14 games for Chesterfield
0 goals in 7 for Charlton Ath
1 goal in 3 for Crawley Town
10 goals in 12 for Scunthorpe Utd.
.
His record almost compares with Charlie Austin.
No one disputes he is a proven goalscorer but he did not fit into the Paolo way. Get over it.

I still believe that (glass half full) Williams and Collins will come good in 2013

We will finish in the top two with the pair of them hitting double figures
Okus pericard and dossevi should have been given more time.
Mr foldy arms told us
Onwards and downwards.
sorry you are comparing slow and past it players.

With Williams and Collins we have proven goalscorers at L1 level, both top scorers for previous clubs last season. Both of these run their guts out for the time they are on the pitch, just wait and see the goals will come.
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Okus Road[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old-Stager, Hilperton[/bold] wrote: Leon Clarke has scored 20 goals in just 36 games since he left us little over a year ago. 9 goals in 14 games for Chesterfield 0 goals in 7 for Charlton Ath 1 goal in 3 for Crawley Town 10 goals in 12 for Scunthorpe Utd. . His record almost compares with Charlie Austin.[/p][/quote]No one disputes he is a proven goalscorer but he did not fit into the Paolo way. Get over it. I still believe that (glass half full) Williams and Collins will come good in 2013 We will finish in the top two with the pair of them hitting double figures[/p][/quote]Okus pericard and dossevi should have been given more time. Mr foldy arms told us Onwards and downwards.[/p][/quote]sorry you are comparing slow and past it players. With Williams and Collins we have proven goalscorers at L1 level, both top scorers for previous clubs last season. Both of these run their guts out for the time they are on the pitch, just wait and see the goals will come. Okus Road
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8:56pm Mon 12 Nov 12

Oi Den! says...

smirg kcab wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Evening jayden. Fair enough. I wasn't trying to defend the behaviour of either of them. I did say Clarke behaved like a petulant schoolkid and Douglas would fit the bill as our missing midfielder if he was fit, disciplined and motivated - and he was none of those things at the end of his time with us. I think Douglas and Ferry formed one of the finest midfield partnerships we've ever had. I'm not trying to turn the clock back - just saying that they are the type of player we are missing. But I do have faith in our strikers - and I might even have a little more faith in our midfielders than PDC does, judging by the way the ball has been bypassing them lately!
Den Harold shipman still could have been a great doctor if he was fit motivated and disciplined and you forgot the greed word which both shipman and Douglas was.
Always like your post as you stick on the fence and think before you post, so I take Mondays are not your best day of the week so you can be excused for one bad post.
Onwards and downwards
And you always give me a chuckle, Grim! You've got a good eye for a player too, and I don't reckon I'd have to try too hard to find some very complimentary remarks from you about Douglas. I'm not sure about the greed, but he was definitely infected with the same malaise as most of the others - unfit, unmotivated and undisciplined. If your mate Mr Foldy had shown some leadership and recognised that every team needs its strong characters, none of them would have sunk to the depths they did.
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Evening jayden. Fair enough. I wasn't trying to defend the behaviour of either of them. I did say Clarke behaved like a petulant schoolkid and Douglas would fit the bill as our missing midfielder if he was fit, disciplined and motivated - and he was none of those things at the end of his time with us. I think Douglas and Ferry formed one of the finest midfield partnerships we've ever had. I'm not trying to turn the clock back - just saying that they are the type of player we are missing. But I do have faith in our strikers - and I might even have a little more faith in our midfielders than PDC does, judging by the way the ball has been bypassing them lately![/p][/quote]Den Harold shipman still could have been a great doctor if he was fit motivated and disciplined and you forgot the greed word which both shipman and Douglas was. Always like your post as you stick on the fence and think before you post, so I take Mondays are not your best day of the week so you can be excused for one bad post. Onwards and downwards[/p][/quote]And you always give me a chuckle, Grim! You've got a good eye for a player too, and I don't reckon I'd have to try too hard to find some very complimentary remarks from you about Douglas. I'm not sure about the greed, but he was definitely infected with the same malaise as most of the others - unfit, unmotivated and undisciplined. If your mate Mr Foldy had shown some leadership and recognised that every team needs its strong characters, none of them would have sunk to the depths they did. Oi Den!
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9:09pm Mon 12 Nov 12

Malkym says...

Grim made I larf too Den -quality!
Grim made I larf too Den -quality! Malkym
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9:24pm Mon 12 Nov 12

smirg kcab says...

Oi Den! wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Evening jayden. Fair enough. I wasn't trying to defend the behaviour of either of them. I did say Clarke behaved like a petulant schoolkid and Douglas would fit the bill as our missing midfielder if he was fit, disciplined and motivated - and he was none of those things at the end of his time with us. I think Douglas and Ferry formed one of the finest midfield partnerships we've ever had. I'm not trying to turn the clock back - just saying that they are the type of player we are missing. But I do have faith in our strikers - and I might even have a little more faith in our midfielders than PDC does, judging by the way the ball has been bypassing them lately!
Den Harold shipman still could have been a great doctor if he was fit motivated and disciplined and you forgot the greed word which both shipman and Douglas was.
Always like your post as you stick on the fence and think before you post, so I take Mondays are not your best day of the week so you can be excused for one bad post.
Onwards and downwards
And you always give me a chuckle, Grim! You've got a good eye for a player too, and I don't reckon I'd have to try too hard to find some very complimentary remarks from you about Douglas. I'm not sure about the greed, but he was definitely infected with the same malaise as most of the others - unfit, unmotivated and undisciplined. If your mate Mr Foldy had shown some leadership and recognised that every team needs its strong characters, none of them would have sunk to the depths they did.
Now your patches is started to have an effect den I'm sure your hormonal feelings towards Douglas is short term.
Top man
top poster
, keep up the good work and stop upsetting l/r lol.
Keep the faith
We can do this
Onwards and downwards
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Evening jayden. Fair enough. I wasn't trying to defend the behaviour of either of them. I did say Clarke behaved like a petulant schoolkid and Douglas would fit the bill as our missing midfielder if he was fit, disciplined and motivated - and he was none of those things at the end of his time with us. I think Douglas and Ferry formed one of the finest midfield partnerships we've ever had. I'm not trying to turn the clock back - just saying that they are the type of player we are missing. But I do have faith in our strikers - and I might even have a little more faith in our midfielders than PDC does, judging by the way the ball has been bypassing them lately![/p][/quote]Den Harold shipman still could have been a great doctor if he was fit motivated and disciplined and you forgot the greed word which both shipman and Douglas was. Always like your post as you stick on the fence and think before you post, so I take Mondays are not your best day of the week so you can be excused for one bad post. Onwards and downwards[/p][/quote]And you always give me a chuckle, Grim! You've got a good eye for a player too, and I don't reckon I'd have to try too hard to find some very complimentary remarks from you about Douglas. I'm not sure about the greed, but he was definitely infected with the same malaise as most of the others - unfit, unmotivated and undisciplined. If your mate Mr Foldy had shown some leadership and recognised that every team needs its strong characters, none of them would have sunk to the depths they did.[/p][/quote]Now your patches is started to have an effect den I'm sure your hormonal feelings towards Douglas is short term. Top man top poster , keep up the good work and stop upsetting l/r lol. Keep the faith We can do this Onwards and downwards smirg kcab
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9:48pm Mon 12 Nov 12

Oxon-Red says...

I suspect that Paolo's comments are to lower the fans expectations as well as take the pressure away from the team, especially at home.

On the Clarke debate I think that the fact that he has had 4 clubs, in little over a year, since leaving us speaks volumes.

On our strikers, I would be worried if we were not scoring at all. In all competitions our midfield has contributed over 15 goals this season. This 15 supplements the 18 goals that the strikers have scored
very nicely. Having said that I do believe they could attack the box better.

COYMR
I suspect that Paolo's comments are to lower the fans expectations as well as take the pressure away from the team, especially at home. On the Clarke debate I think that the fact that he has had 4 clubs, in little over a year, since leaving us speaks volumes. On our strikers, I would be worried if we were not scoring at all. In all competitions our midfield has contributed over 15 goals this season. This 15 supplements the 18 goals that the strikers have scored very nicely. Having said that I do believe they could attack the box better. COYMR Oxon-Red
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10:35pm Mon 12 Nov 12

forzaswindon12 says...

nice bit of kideology here in this article, not buying it for a second!.
although on the positive side it could relieve pressure off the side to gain promotion this season.
top 6 is surely attainable even with only the current squad but we need our strikers like williams and collins to start finishing more regularly, or try some different options/pairings. (like benson/storey or Rooney/benson)
nice bit of kideology here in this article, not buying it for a second!. although on the positive side it could relieve pressure off the side to gain promotion this season. top 6 is surely attainable even with only the current squad but we need our strikers like williams and collins to start finishing more regularly, or try some different options/pairings. (like benson/storey or Rooney/benson) forzaswindon12
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10:53pm Mon 12 Nov 12

Malkym says...

Oxon - the trouble is our strikers (W&C) are not scoring in the league are they -forget the cups -history - Collins has got 3 & Williams 2 . The much maligned RDV has 4 - and look how many times he's ben subbed - Ritchie has 7 -time for W&C to shape up or ship out IMO.
Oxon - the trouble is our strikers (W&C) are not scoring in the league are they -forget the cups -history - Collins has got 3 & Williams 2 . The much maligned RDV has 4 - and look how many times he's ben subbed - Ritchie has 7 -time for W&C to shape up or ship out IMO. Malkym
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10:54pm Mon 12 Nov 12

mikek says...

Just thinking we are 6th in Div 1, winning games, scoring goals and do have a very passionate manager and yet we still find some things to just have a little dig at. So just imagine how the Bristol clubs and Pox fans are feeling. Bristol City fans really are down in the dumps and sure they are doomed to relegation.Pox fans are hammering Constable who some 12 months ago they were singing his praises for being so loyal after turning the mighty STFC down on a move. Not really that bad at STFC is it????? Upwards and onwards.
Just thinking we are 6th in Div 1, winning games, scoring goals and do have a very passionate manager and yet we still find some things to just have a little dig at. So just imagine how the Bristol clubs and Pox fans are feeling. Bristol City fans really are down in the dumps and sure they are doomed to relegation.Pox fans are hammering Constable who some 12 months ago they were singing his praises for being so loyal after turning the mighty STFC down on a move. Not really that bad at STFC is it????? Upwards and onwards. mikek
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10:58pm Mon 12 Nov 12

dreamofacleansheet2 says...

Den Douglas and Ferry were indeed a good partnership on their day but I've a hunch Ferry and Bostock could be our centre midfield partnership in the Premiership....

Oh heck I've gone and said it the "P" word again and it wasn't Premier Paolo....

We are winning the league.
Den Douglas and Ferry were indeed a good partnership on their day but I've a hunch Ferry and Bostock could be our centre midfield partnership in the Premiership.... Oh heck I've gone and said it the "P" word again and it wasn't Premier Paolo.... We are winning the league. dreamofacleansheet2
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11:15pm Mon 12 Nov 12

Oi Den! says...

Malkym wrote:
Oxon - the trouble is our strikers (W&C) are not scoring in the league are they -forget the cups -history - Collins has got 3 & Williams 2 . The much maligned RDV has 4 - and look how many times he's ben subbed - Ritchie has 7 -time for W&C to shape up or ship out IMO.
If they were contributing nowt, I'd be tempted to agree but I think they've both done their bit for the cause. It's not as if they are jogging along like Pericard or more interested in playing the man than the ball, like Dossevi. If we can get the ball down and get them some decent service, they'll add more goals to their tallies. I'm a fan of both Ferry and Bostock but I do have the feeling that the rest of the team won't realise its potential unless and until we get that midfield general in there. If it turns out to be one of those two, all well and good.
[quote][p][bold]Malkym[/bold] wrote: Oxon - the trouble is our strikers (W&C) are not scoring in the league are they -forget the cups -history - Collins has got 3 & Williams 2 . The much maligned RDV has 4 - and look how many times he's ben subbed - Ritchie has 7 -time for W&C to shape up or ship out IMO.[/p][/quote]If they were contributing nowt, I'd be tempted to agree but I think they've both done their bit for the cause. It's not as if they are jogging along like Pericard or more interested in playing the man than the ball, like Dossevi. If we can get the ball down and get them some decent service, they'll add more goals to their tallies. I'm a fan of both Ferry and Bostock but I do have the feeling that the rest of the team won't realise its potential unless and until we get that midfield general in there. If it turns out to be one of those two, all well and good. Oi Den!
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11:32pm Mon 12 Nov 12

Oxon-Red says...

Malkym wrote:
Oxon - the trouble is our strikers (W&C) are not scoring in the league are they -forget the cups -history - Collins has got 3 & Williams 2 . The much maligned RDV has 4 - and look how many times he's ben subbed - Ritchie has 7 -time for W&C to shape up or ship out IMO.
Malkym,

I agree they are not scoring in the league but as I said I am not overly worried because other players are scoring. It would be different if it was like our relegation season when we only had one striker who kept us in mid-table until January. Is that what we want ?

Twenty goal strikers are great if you can find them but football is a team game. There is a team in the championship currently that look very much like we did two seasons ago.

What is the betting on a similar outcome for them !

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]Malkym[/bold] wrote: Oxon - the trouble is our strikers (W&C) are not scoring in the league are they -forget the cups -history - Collins has got 3 & Williams 2 . The much maligned RDV has 4 - and look how many times he's ben subbed - Ritchie has 7 -time for W&C to shape up or ship out IMO.[/p][/quote]Malkym, I agree they are not scoring in the league but as I said I am not overly worried because other players are scoring. It would be different if it was like our relegation season when we only had one striker who kept us in mid-table until January. Is that what we want ? Twenty goal strikers are great if you can find them but football is a team game. There is a team in the championship currently that look very much like we did two seasons ago. What is the betting on a similar outcome for them ! COYMR Oxon-Red
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11:40pm Mon 12 Nov 12

joey butler says...

With utmost respect guys, most of you are not thinking about the very cause of our problems.

Firstly, PDC should get rid of his absolute leech of an agent, who has continually recommended second rate players. I am sure he gets paid when they join and I am fairly sure his agent gets paid when they leave shortly afterwards!!

The Board must be quite stupid if they cannot see what is going on.

Secondly, The Board should stand up to PDC with his ever increasing threats, the very latest of which are in his comments above.

If PDC does not like it, it is quite simply 'Goodbye and Good luck' PDC.

Am I the only poster on here to read through PDC's repeated threats, or are The Board simply all stupid??
With utmost respect guys, most of you are not thinking about the very cause of our problems. Firstly, PDC should get rid of his absolute leech of an agent, who has continually recommended second rate players. I am sure he gets paid when they join and I am fairly sure his agent gets paid when they leave shortly afterwards!! The Board must be quite stupid if they cannot see what is going on. Secondly, The Board should stand up to PDC with his ever increasing threats, the very latest of which are in his comments above. If PDC does not like it, it is quite simply 'Goodbye and Good luck' PDC. Am I the only poster on here to read through PDC's repeated threats, or are The Board simply all stupid?? joey butler
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12:02am Tue 13 Nov 12

Malkym says...

Oxon-Red wrote:
Malkym wrote: Oxon - the trouble is our strikers (W&C) are not scoring in the league are they -forget the cups -history - Collins has got 3 & Williams 2 . The much maligned RDV has 4 - and look how many times he's ben subbed - Ritchie has 7 -time for W&C to shape up or ship out IMO.
Malkym, I agree they are not scoring in the league but as I said I am not overly worried because other players are scoring. It would be different if it was like our relegation season when we only had one striker who kept us in mid-table until January. Is that what we want ? Twenty goal strikers are great if you can find them but football is a team game. There is a team in the championship currently that look very much like we did two seasons ago. What is the betting on a similar outcome for them ! COYMR
OXon - ok -so when the "others" goals dry up and the dream team are still not scoring what then? Aren't we then up the proverbial creek?
[quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Malkym[/bold] wrote: Oxon - the trouble is our strikers (W&C) are not scoring in the league are they -forget the cups -history - Collins has got 3 & Williams 2 . The much maligned RDV has 4 - and look how many times he's ben subbed - Ritchie has 7 -time for W&C to shape up or ship out IMO.[/p][/quote]Malkym, I agree they are not scoring in the league but as I said I am not overly worried because other players are scoring. It would be different if it was like our relegation season when we only had one striker who kept us in mid-table until January. Is that what we want ? Twenty goal strikers are great if you can find them but football is a team game. There is a team in the championship currently that look very much like we did two seasons ago. What is the betting on a similar outcome for them ! COYMR[/p][/quote]OXon - ok -so when the "others" goals dry up and the dream team are still not scoring what then? Aren't we then up the proverbial creek? Malkym
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12:16am Tue 13 Nov 12

joey butler says...

Malkym wrote:
Oxon-Red wrote:
Malkym wrote: Oxon - the trouble is our strikers (W&C) are not scoring in the league are they -forget the cups -history - Collins has got 3 & Williams 2 . The much maligned RDV has 4 - and look how many times he's ben subbed - Ritchie has 7 -time for W&C to shape up or ship out IMO.
Malkym, I agree they are not scoring in the league but as I said I am not overly worried because other players are scoring. It would be different if it was like our relegation season when we only had one striker who kept us in mid-table until January. Is that what we want ? Twenty goal strikers are great if you can find them but football is a team game. There is a team in the championship currently that look very much like we did two seasons ago. What is the betting on a similar outcome for them ! COYMR
OXon - ok -so when the "others" goals dry up and the dream team are still not scoring what then? Aren't we then up the proverbial creek?
I see that you have been got at Malky and yet again lost your previous ability to make more incisive comments!!

A shadow of your former self, if I may say so.
[quote][p][bold]Malkym[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Malkym[/bold] wrote: Oxon - the trouble is our strikers (W&C) are not scoring in the league are they -forget the cups -history - Collins has got 3 & Williams 2 . The much maligned RDV has 4 - and look how many times he's ben subbed - Ritchie has 7 -time for W&C to shape up or ship out IMO.[/p][/quote]Malkym, I agree they are not scoring in the league but as I said I am not overly worried because other players are scoring. It would be different if it was like our relegation season when we only had one striker who kept us in mid-table until January. Is that what we want ? Twenty goal strikers are great if you can find them but football is a team game. There is a team in the championship currently that look very much like we did two seasons ago. What is the betting on a similar outcome for them ! COYMR[/p][/quote]OXon - ok -so when the "others" goals dry up and the dream team are still not scoring what then? Aren't we then up the proverbial creek?[/p][/quote]I see that you have been got at Malky and yet again lost your previous ability to make more incisive comments!! A shadow of your former self, if I may say so. joey butler
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12:21am Tue 13 Nov 12

red white says...

joey butler wrote:
With utmost respect guys, most of you are not thinking about the very cause of our problems.

Firstly, PDC should get rid of his absolute leech of an agent, who has continually recommended second rate players. I am sure he gets paid when they join and I am fairly sure his agent gets paid when they leave shortly afterwards!!

The Board must be quite stupid if they cannot see what is going on.

Secondly, The Board should stand up to PDC with his ever increasing threats, the very latest of which are in his comments above.

If PDC does not like it, it is quite simply 'Goodbye and Good luck' PDC.

Am I the only poster on here to read through PDC's repeated threats, or are The Board simply all stupid??
That is Paolo's way.
We will rule with him.
Joe Butler was a great player by the way.

Downsborough
Thomas
Trollope,

Butler
Burrows
Harland,

Smith
Smart
Horsefield
Noble
Rogers.

Proper.(not a sub1).
[quote][p][bold]joey butler[/bold] wrote: With utmost respect guys, most of you are not thinking about the very cause of our problems. Firstly, PDC should get rid of his absolute leech of an agent, who has continually recommended second rate players. I am sure he gets paid when they join and I am fairly sure his agent gets paid when they leave shortly afterwards!! The Board must be quite stupid if they cannot see what is going on. Secondly, The Board should stand up to PDC with his ever increasing threats, the very latest of which are in his comments above. If PDC does not like it, it is quite simply 'Goodbye and Good luck' PDC. Am I the only poster on here to read through PDC's repeated threats, or are The Board simply all stupid??[/p][/quote]That is Paolo's way. We will rule with him. Joe Butler was a great player by the way. Downsborough Thomas Trollope, Butler Burrows Harland, Smith Smart Horsefield Noble Rogers. Proper.(not a sub1). red white
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12:24am Tue 13 Nov 12

joey butler says...

red white wrote:
joey butler wrote:
With utmost respect guys, most of you are not thinking about the very cause of our problems.

Firstly, PDC should get rid of his absolute leech of an agent, who has continually recommended second rate players. I am sure he gets paid when they join and I am fairly sure his agent gets paid when they leave shortly afterwards!!

The Board must be quite stupid if they cannot see what is going on.

Secondly, The Board should stand up to PDC with his ever increasing threats, the very latest of which are in his comments above.

If PDC does not like it, it is quite simply 'Goodbye and Good luck' PDC.

Am I the only poster on here to read through PDC's repeated threats, or are The Board simply all stupid??
That is Paolo's way.
We will rule with him.
Joe Butler was a great player by the way.

Downsborough
Thomas
Trollope,

Butler
Burrows
Harland,

Smith
Smart
Horsefield
Noble
Rogers.

Proper.(not a sub1).
Try the Wembley team again, you are quite wrong!
[quote][p][bold]red white[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]joey butler[/bold] wrote: With utmost respect guys, most of you are not thinking about the very cause of our problems. Firstly, PDC should get rid of his absolute leech of an agent, who has continually recommended second rate players. I am sure he gets paid when they join and I am fairly sure his agent gets paid when they leave shortly afterwards!! The Board must be quite stupid if they cannot see what is going on. Secondly, The Board should stand up to PDC with his ever increasing threats, the very latest of which are in his comments above. If PDC does not like it, it is quite simply 'Goodbye and Good luck' PDC. Am I the only poster on here to read through PDC's repeated threats, or are The Board simply all stupid??[/p][/quote]That is Paolo's way. We will rule with him. Joe Butler was a great player by the way. Downsborough Thomas Trollope, Butler Burrows Harland, Smith Smart Horsefield Noble Rogers. Proper.(not a sub1).[/p][/quote]Try the Wembley team again, you are quite wrong! joey butler
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12:34am Tue 13 Nov 12

Oxon-Red says...

Malkym wrote:
Oxon-Red wrote:
Malkym wrote: Oxon - the trouble is our strikers (W&C) are not scoring in the league are they -forget the cups -history - Collins has got 3 & Williams 2 . The much maligned RDV has 4 - and look how many times he's ben subbed - Ritchie has 7 -time for W&C to shape up or ship out IMO.
Malkym, I agree they are not scoring in the league but as I said I am not overly worried because other players are scoring. It would be different if it was like our relegation season when we only had one striker who kept us in mid-table until January. Is that what we want ? Twenty goal strikers are great if you can find them but football is a team game. There is a team in the championship currently that look very much like we did two seasons ago. What is the betting on a similar outcome for them ! COYMR
OXon - ok -so when the "others" goals dry up and the dream team are still not scoring what then? Aren't we then up the proverbial creek?
Malkym,

If the other goals dry up not when.

If the other goals dry up maybe the strikers will be firing.

I just think too much is made of having to have a 20 goal a season striker.

Last season in League 1 there were 4 players that scored 20+ goals. The player that finished 6th with 16 now wears a Town Shirt.

In League 2 there were no players that scored 20+ (Collins finished 8th with 14 and was young like Miles Storey) and in the Championship there were 2.

Top 6 scorers in the League 1 scoring charts last season which do you go for ?

Jordan Rhodes (36 goals) - way out of our price range.
Ched Evans (29) - In jail.
Bradley Wright-Philips (22) - no chance of signing.
Staurt Beavon (21) - Signed by Preston and currently has 4 goals this season in 16 full appearances.
Gary Nadine (18) - Interesting !!!!!
Andy Williams (16) - Signed on a free transfer.

Lots of IFs and BUTs I agree but (sorry) I reckon we should only start to worry if (sorry) the goals dry up as they did two seasons ago.

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]Malkym[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Malkym[/bold] wrote: Oxon - the trouble is our strikers (W&C) are not scoring in the league are they -forget the cups -history - Collins has got 3 & Williams 2 . The much maligned RDV has 4 - and look how many times he's ben subbed - Ritchie has 7 -time for W&C to shape up or ship out IMO.[/p][/quote]Malkym, I agree they are not scoring in the league but as I said I am not overly worried because other players are scoring. It would be different if it was like our relegation season when we only had one striker who kept us in mid-table until January. Is that what we want ? Twenty goal strikers are great if you can find them but football is a team game. There is a team in the championship currently that look very much like we did two seasons ago. What is the betting on a similar outcome for them ! COYMR[/p][/quote]OXon - ok -so when the "others" goals dry up and the dream team are still not scoring what then? Aren't we then up the proverbial creek?[/p][/quote]Malkym, If the other goals dry up not when. If the other goals dry up maybe the strikers will be firing. I just think too much is made of having to have a 20 goal a season striker. Last season in League 1 there were 4 players that scored 20+ goals. The player that finished 6th with 16 now wears a Town Shirt. In League 2 there were no players that scored 20+ (Collins finished 8th with 14 and was young like Miles Storey) and in the Championship there were 2. Top 6 scorers in the League 1 scoring charts last season which do you go for ? Jordan Rhodes (36 goals) - way out of our price range. Ched Evans (29) - In jail. Bradley Wright-Philips (22) - no chance of signing. Staurt Beavon (21) - Signed by Preston and currently has 4 goals this season in 16 full appearances. Gary Nadine (18) - Interesting !!!!! Andy Williams (16) - Signed on a free transfer. Lots of IFs and BUTs I agree but (sorry) I reckon we should only start to worry if (sorry) the goals dry up as they did two seasons ago. COYMR Oxon-Red
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1:07am Tue 13 Nov 12

red white says...

joey butler wrote:
red white wrote:
joey butler wrote:
With utmost respect guys, most of you are not thinking about the very cause of our problems.

Firstly, PDC should get rid of his absolute leech of an agent, who has continually recommended second rate players. I am sure he gets paid when they join and I am fairly sure his agent gets paid when they leave shortly afterwards!!

The Board must be quite stupid if they cannot see what is going on.

Secondly, The Board should stand up to PDC with his ever increasing threats, the very latest of which are in his comments above.

If PDC does not like it, it is quite simply 'Goodbye and Good luck' PDC.

Am I the only poster on here to read through PDC's repeated threats, or are The Board simply all stupid??
That is Paolo's way.
We will rule with him.
Joe Butler was a great player by the way.

Downsborough
Thomas
Trollope,

Butler
Burrows
Harland,

Smith
Smart
Horsefield
Noble
Rogers.

Proper.(not a sub1).
Try the Wembley team again, you are quite wrong!
Dint say it was the 69 legends!

Just remember reading the programme to me dad on the way in,him saying watch Don Rogers.

Sir Donald Rogers and Sir Bert Head too and Sir Danny Williams,made our club famous.

Sir Stanley Harland,Our capitano.

We are going up!
[quote][p][bold]joey butler[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]red white[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]joey butler[/bold] wrote: With utmost respect guys, most of you are not thinking about the very cause of our problems. Firstly, PDC should get rid of his absolute leech of an agent, who has continually recommended second rate players. I am sure he gets paid when they join and I am fairly sure his agent gets paid when they leave shortly afterwards!! The Board must be quite stupid if they cannot see what is going on. Secondly, The Board should stand up to PDC with his ever increasing threats, the very latest of which are in his comments above. If PDC does not like it, it is quite simply 'Goodbye and Good luck' PDC. Am I the only poster on here to read through PDC's repeated threats, or are The Board simply all stupid??[/p][/quote]That is Paolo's way. We will rule with him. Joe Butler was a great player by the way. Downsborough Thomas Trollope, Butler Burrows Harland, Smith Smart Horsefield Noble Rogers. Proper.(not a sub1).[/p][/quote]Try the Wembley team again, you are quite wrong![/p][/quote]Dint say it was the 69 legends! Just remember reading the programme to me dad on the way in,him saying watch Don Rogers. Sir Donald Rogers and Sir Bert Head too and Sir Danny Williams,made our club famous. Sir Stanley Harland,Our capitano. We are going up! red white
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1:29am Tue 13 Nov 12

red white says...

Sir John Trollope.
Sir Roger Smart.
Sir Frank Burrows.
Sir John Trollope. Sir Roger Smart. Sir Frank Burrows. red white
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7:00am Tue 13 Nov 12

Swindon1984 says...

mikek wrote:
Man United's young striker Joshua King linked to Town on that silly rumours site where it also says Liverpool are in for Miles Storey in January yes we can swap him for Suarez , blimey I'm getting as bad as some others on this forum. Mind you reckon this Utd player is worth a look and certainly a solid unit and very quick. Question for fellow fans are coloured strikers better than white guy's as it always seems to me they are when you watch footy on the box.
If you're serious that's an utterly moronic question and phrased particularly badly. If you're joking I really missed your point.
[quote][p][bold]mikek[/bold] wrote: Man United's young striker Joshua King linked to Town on that silly rumours site where it also says Liverpool are in for Miles Storey in January yes we can swap him for Suarez , blimey I'm getting as bad as some others on this forum. Mind you reckon this Utd player is worth a look and certainly a solid unit and very quick. Question for fellow fans are coloured strikers better than white guy's as it always seems to me they are when you watch footy on the box.[/p][/quote]If you're serious that's an utterly moronic question and phrased particularly badly. If you're joking I really missed your point. Swindon1984
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7:47am Tue 13 Nov 12

Mondeaux says...

Swindon1984 wrote:
mikek wrote:
Man United's young striker Joshua King linked to Town on that silly rumours site where it also says Liverpool are in for Miles Storey in January yes we can swap him for Suarez , blimey I'm getting as bad as some others on this forum. Mind you reckon this Utd player is worth a look and certainly a solid unit and very quick. Question for fellow fans are coloured strikers better than white guy's as it always seems to me they are when you watch footy on the box.
If you're serious that's an utterly moronic question and phrased particularly badly. If you're joking I really missed your point.
It's well known in basketball that, "White men can't jump."
[quote][p][bold]Swindon1984[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mikek[/bold] wrote: Man United's young striker Joshua King linked to Town on that silly rumours site where it also says Liverpool are in for Miles Storey in January yes we can swap him for Suarez , blimey I'm getting as bad as some others on this forum. Mind you reckon this Utd player is worth a look and certainly a solid unit and very quick. Question for fellow fans are coloured strikers better than white guy's as it always seems to me they are when you watch footy on the box.[/p][/quote]If you're serious that's an utterly moronic question and phrased particularly badly. If you're joking I really missed your point.[/p][/quote]It's well known in basketball that, "White men can't jump." Mondeaux
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9:29am Tue 13 Nov 12

Malkym says...

Oxon-Red wrote:
Malkym wrote:
Oxon-Red wrote:
Malkym wrote: Oxon - the trouble is our strikers (W&C) are not scoring in the league are they -forget the cups -history - Collins has got 3 & Williams 2 . The much maligned RDV has 4 - and look how many times he's ben subbed - Ritchie has 7 -time for W&C to shape up or ship out IMO.
Malkym, I agree they are not scoring in the league but as I said I am not overly worried because other players are scoring. It would be different if it was like our relegation season when we only had one striker who kept us in mid-table until January. Is that what we want ? Twenty goal strikers are great if you can find them but football is a team game. There is a team in the championship currently that look very much like we did two seasons ago. What is the betting on a similar outcome for them ! COYMR
OXon - ok -so when the "others" goals dry up and the dream team are still not scoring what then? Aren't we then up the proverbial creek?
Malkym,

If the other goals dry up not when.

If the other goals dry up maybe the strikers will be firing.

I just think too much is made of having to have a 20 goal a season striker.

Last season in League 1 there were 4 players that scored 20+ goals. The player that finished 6th with 16 now wears a Town Shirt.

In League 2 there were no players that scored 20+ (Collins finished 8th with 14 and was young like Miles Storey) and in the Championship there were 2.

Top 6 scorers in the League 1 scoring charts last season which do you go for ?

Jordan Rhodes (36 goals) - way out of our price range.
Ched Evans (29) - In jail.
Bradley Wright-Philips (22) - no chance of signing.
Staurt Beavon (21) - Signed by Preston and currently has 4 goals this season in 16 full appearances.
Gary Nadine (18) - Interesting !!!!!
Andy Williams (16) - Signed on a free transfer.

Lots of IFs and BUTs I agree but (sorry) I reckon we should only start to worry if (sorry) the goals dry up as they did two seasons ago.

COYMR
Oxon thank you for your in depth reply. I do not profess to know the relative abilities or otherwise of other strikers. All I know is W & C are not doing it. Ok I'll cut Williams a little bit of slack given his recovery from injury and their goal drought may have something to do with the abysmal service from midfield of late. But at Walsall on Saturday they had plenty of service and they were both guilty of missing chances Collins in particular. Like I said how long do they get? So if neither of them score another goal this side of Xmas we still keep plugging away with them? Ferry can't be replied on to hit the net with the same regularity as Ritchie and while Bostock is saying he wants to score doing so is another kettle of fish. I'll reserve my judgement on hour two main strikers until after the next two home games but if they don't both score in those two games then my opinion on their ability won't change but I'll put my hand up and say well done if they do.
[quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Malkym[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Malkym[/bold] wrote: Oxon - the trouble is our strikers (W&C) are not scoring in the league are they -forget the cups -history - Collins has got 3 & Williams 2 . The much maligned RDV has 4 - and look how many times he's ben subbed - Ritchie has 7 -time for W&C to shape up or ship out IMO.[/p][/quote]Malkym, I agree they are not scoring in the league but as I said I am not overly worried because other players are scoring. It would be different if it was like our relegation season when we only had one striker who kept us in mid-table until January. Is that what we want ? Twenty goal strikers are great if you can find them but football is a team game. There is a team in the championship currently that look very much like we did two seasons ago. What is the betting on a similar outcome for them ! COYMR[/p][/quote]OXon - ok -so when the "others" goals dry up and the dream team are still not scoring what then? Aren't we then up the proverbial creek?[/p][/quote]Malkym, If the other goals dry up not when. If the other goals dry up maybe the strikers will be firing. I just think too much is made of having to have a 20 goal a season striker. Last season in League 1 there were 4 players that scored 20+ goals. The player that finished 6th with 16 now wears a Town Shirt. In League 2 there were no players that scored 20+ (Collins finished 8th with 14 and was young like Miles Storey) and in the Championship there were 2. Top 6 scorers in the League 1 scoring charts last season which do you go for ? Jordan Rhodes (36 goals) - way out of our price range. Ched Evans (29) - In jail. Bradley Wright-Philips (22) - no chance of signing. Staurt Beavon (21) - Signed by Preston and currently has 4 goals this season in 16 full appearances. Gary Nadine (18) - Interesting !!!!! Andy Williams (16) - Signed on a free transfer. Lots of IFs and BUTs I agree but (sorry) I reckon we should only start to worry if (sorry) the goals dry up as they did two seasons ago. COYMR[/p][/quote]Oxon thank you for your in depth reply. I do not profess to know the relative abilities or otherwise of other strikers. All I know is W & C are not doing it. Ok I'll cut Williams a little bit of slack given his recovery from injury and their goal drought may have something to do with the abysmal service from midfield of late. But at Walsall on Saturday they had plenty of service and they were both guilty of missing chances Collins in particular. Like I said how long do they get? So if neither of them score another goal this side of Xmas we still keep plugging away with them? Ferry can't be replied on to hit the net with the same regularity as Ritchie and while Bostock is saying he wants to score doing so is another kettle of fish. I'll reserve my judgement on hour two main strikers until after the next two home games but if they don't both score in those two games then my opinion on their ability won't change but I'll put my hand up and say well done if they do. Malkym
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11:20am Tue 13 Nov 12

Oxon-Red says...

Malkym wrote:
Oxon-Red wrote:
Malkym wrote:
Oxon-Red wrote:
Malkym wrote: Oxon - the trouble is our strikers (W&C) are not scoring in the league are they -forget the cups -history - Collins has got 3 & Williams 2 . The much maligned RDV has 4 - and look how many times he's ben subbed - Ritchie has 7 -time for W&C to shape up or ship out IMO.
Malkym, I agree they are not scoring in the league but as I said I am not overly worried because other players are scoring. It would be different if it was like our relegation season when we only had one striker who kept us in mid-table until January. Is that what we want ? Twenty goal strikers are great if you can find them but football is a team game. There is a team in the championship currently that look very much like we did two seasons ago. What is the betting on a similar outcome for them ! COYMR
OXon - ok -so when the "others" goals dry up and the dream team are still not scoring what then? Aren't we then up the proverbial creek?
Malkym, If the other goals dry up not when. If the other goals dry up maybe the strikers will be firing. I just think too much is made of having to have a 20 goal a season striker. Last season in League 1 there were 4 players that scored 20+ goals. The player that finished 6th with 16 now wears a Town Shirt. In League 2 there were no players that scored 20+ (Collins finished 8th with 14 and was young like Miles Storey) and in the Championship there were 2. Top 6 scorers in the League 1 scoring charts last season which do you go for ? Jordan Rhodes (36 goals) - way out of our price range. Ched Evans (29) - In jail. Bradley Wright-Philips (22) - no chance of signing. Staurt Beavon (21) - Signed by Preston and currently has 4 goals this season in 16 full appearances. Gary Nadine (18) - Interesting !!!!! Andy Williams (16) - Signed on a free transfer. Lots of IFs and BUTs I agree but (sorry) I reckon we should only start to worry if (sorry) the goals dry up as they did two seasons ago. COYMR
Oxon thank you for your in depth reply. I do not profess to know the relative abilities or otherwise of other strikers. All I know is W & C are not doing it. Ok I'll cut Williams a little bit of slack given his recovery from injury and their goal drought may have something to do with the abysmal service from midfield of late. But at Walsall on Saturday they had plenty of service and they were both guilty of missing chances Collins in particular. Like I said how long do they get? So if neither of them score another goal this side of Xmas we still keep plugging away with them? Ferry can't be replied on to hit the net with the same regularity as Ritchie and while Bostock is saying he wants to score doing so is another kettle of fish. I'll reserve my judgement on hour two main strikers until after the next two home games but if they don't both score in those two games then my opinion on their ability won't change but I'll put my hand up and say well done if they do.
Malkym,

Good reply, I appreciate what you are saying. I wasn't at Walsall but I have seen all our home games and, as you have identified, the service they have received has not always been the best. Is that the service or their positioning in the box making the service look poor ?

Hopefully one or both will start finding the net regularly but IMO there is no need to panic just yet if they don't.

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]Malkym[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Malkym[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Malkym[/bold] wrote: Oxon - the trouble is our strikers (W&C) are not scoring in the league are they -forget the cups -history - Collins has got 3 & Williams 2 . The much maligned RDV has 4 - and look how many times he's ben subbed - Ritchie has 7 -time for W&C to shape up or ship out IMO.[/p][/quote]Malkym, I agree they are not scoring in the league but as I said I am not overly worried because other players are scoring. It would be different if it was like our relegation season when we only had one striker who kept us in mid-table until January. Is that what we want ? Twenty goal strikers are great if you can find them but football is a team game. There is a team in the championship currently that look very much like we did two seasons ago. What is the betting on a similar outcome for them ! COYMR[/p][/quote]OXon - ok -so when the "others" goals dry up and the dream team are still not scoring what then? Aren't we then up the proverbial creek?[/p][/quote]Malkym, If the other goals dry up not when. If the other goals dry up maybe the strikers will be firing. I just think too much is made of having to have a 20 goal a season striker. Last season in League 1 there were 4 players that scored 20+ goals. The player that finished 6th with 16 now wears a Town Shirt. In League 2 there were no players that scored 20+ (Collins finished 8th with 14 and was young like Miles Storey) and in the Championship there were 2. Top 6 scorers in the League 1 scoring charts last season which do you go for ? Jordan Rhodes (36 goals) - way out of our price range. Ched Evans (29) - In jail. Bradley Wright-Philips (22) - no chance of signing. Staurt Beavon (21) - Signed by Preston and currently has 4 goals this season in 16 full appearances. Gary Nadine (18) - Interesting !!!!! Andy Williams (16) - Signed on a free transfer. Lots of IFs and BUTs I agree but (sorry) I reckon we should only start to worry if (sorry) the goals dry up as they did two seasons ago. COYMR[/p][/quote]Oxon thank you for your in depth reply. I do not profess to know the relative abilities or otherwise of other strikers. All I know is W & C are not doing it. Ok I'll cut Williams a little bit of slack given his recovery from injury and their goal drought may have something to do with the abysmal service from midfield of late. But at Walsall on Saturday they had plenty of service and they were both guilty of missing chances Collins in particular. Like I said how long do they get? So if neither of them score another goal this side of Xmas we still keep plugging away with them? Ferry can't be replied on to hit the net with the same regularity as Ritchie and while Bostock is saying he wants to score doing so is another kettle of fish. I'll reserve my judgement on hour two main strikers until after the next two home games but if they don't both score in those two games then my opinion on their ability won't change but I'll put my hand up and say well done if they do.[/p][/quote]Malkym, Good reply, I appreciate what you are saying. I wasn't at Walsall but I have seen all our home games and, as you have identified, the service they have received has not always been the best. Is that the service or their positioning in the box making the service look poor ? Hopefully one or both will start finding the net regularly but IMO there is no need to panic just yet if they don't. COYMR Oxon-Red
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1:26pm Tue 13 Nov 12

madterrier says...

Just looked at the goal attempts stats for our last few games. Of course they don't show who took the shot. I guess the average for most clubs on attempted shots in a match must be 12-13-14, at home anyway?

There are a few shockers - Sheff Utd, Scunthorpe and Colchester at home - where we didn't have enough goal attempts and certainly nowhere near enough on target. Just six on target in those three games combined. But in other games, the forwards were busy.

Walsall (a) 2-0: 13 shots/ 7 on target
Sheff Utd (h) 0-0: 11/3
Stevenage (a) 4-0: 12/6
Crewe (a) 1-2: 17/8
Scunthorpe (h) 1-1: 6/1 (ugh!)
Coventry (h) 2-2: 10/7
Bury (a) 1-0: 10/5
Colchester (h) 0-1: 7/2
Shrewsbury (a) 1-0: 11/6
Bournemouth (h) 4-0: 14/7

Not sure what it tells us, but I was intrigued to see what we were creating by way of chances.
Just looked at the goal attempts stats for our last few games. Of course they don't show who took the shot. I guess the average for most clubs on attempted shots in a match must be 12-13-14, at home anyway? There are a few shockers - Sheff Utd, Scunthorpe and Colchester at home - where we didn't have enough goal attempts and certainly nowhere near enough on target. Just six on target in those three games combined. But in other games, the forwards were busy. Walsall (a) 2-0: 13 shots/ 7 on target Sheff Utd (h) 0-0: 11/3 Stevenage (a) 4-0: 12/6 Crewe (a) 1-2: 17/8 Scunthorpe (h) 1-1: 6/1 (ugh!) Coventry (h) 2-2: 10/7 Bury (a) 1-0: 10/5 Colchester (h) 0-1: 7/2 Shrewsbury (a) 1-0: 11/6 Bournemouth (h) 4-0: 14/7 Not sure what it tells us, but I was intrigued to see what we were creating by way of chances. madterrier
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4:51pm Tue 13 Nov 12

hertz says...

On a light hearted note did you see the article on Yahoo , The Hibs anouncer got the sack becasue he played the Beatles "I'm the taxman" at half time when they played Hearts , had to chuckle , Paolo said they should play Simply Reds "Money too Short to Mention" down at the Theatre of Shattered Dreams , that would make us smile COYR
On a light hearted note did you see the article on Yahoo , The Hibs anouncer got the sack becasue he played the Beatles "I'm the taxman" at half time when they played Hearts , had to chuckle , Paolo said they should play Simply Reds "Money too Short to Mention" down at the Theatre of Shattered Dreams , that would make us smile COYR hertz
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7:14pm Tue 13 Nov 12

joey butler says...

Malkym wrote:
Oxon-Red wrote:
Malkym wrote:
Oxon-Red wrote:
Malkym wrote: Oxon - the trouble is our strikers (W&C) are not scoring in the league are they -forget the cups -history - Collins has got 3 & Williams 2 . The much maligned RDV has 4 - and look how many times he's ben subbed - Ritchie has 7 -time for W&C to shape up or ship out IMO.
Malkym, I agree they are not scoring in the league but as I said I am not overly worried because other players are scoring. It would be different if it was like our relegation season when we only had one striker who kept us in mid-table until January. Is that what we want ? Twenty goal strikers are great if you can find them but football is a team game. There is a team in the championship currently that look very much like we did two seasons ago. What is the betting on a similar outcome for them ! COYMR
OXon - ok -so when the "others" goals dry up and the dream team are still not scoring what then? Aren't we then up the proverbial creek?
Malkym,

If the other goals dry up not when.

If the other goals dry up maybe the strikers will be firing.

I just think too much is made of having to have a 20 goal a season striker.

Last season in League 1 there were 4 players that scored 20+ goals. The player that finished 6th with 16 now wears a Town Shirt.

In League 2 there were no players that scored 20+ (Collins finished 8th with 14 and was young like Miles Storey) and in the Championship there were 2.

Top 6 scorers in the League 1 scoring charts last season which do you go for ?

Jordan Rhodes (36 goals) - way out of our price range.
Ched Evans (29) - In jail.
Bradley Wright-Philips (22) - no chance of signing.
Staurt Beavon (21) - Signed by Preston and currently has 4 goals this season in 16 full appearances.
Gary Nadine (18) - Interesting !!!!!
Andy Williams (16) - Signed on a free transfer.

Lots of IFs and BUTs I agree but (sorry) I reckon we should only start to worry if (sorry) the goals dry up as they did two seasons ago.

COYMR
Oxon thank you for your in depth reply. I do not profess to know the relative abilities or otherwise of other strikers. All I know is W & C are not doing it. Ok I'll cut Williams a little bit of slack given his recovery from injury and their goal drought may have something to do with the abysmal service from midfield of late. But at Walsall on Saturday they had plenty of service and they were both guilty of missing chances Collins in particular. Like I said how long do they get? So if neither of them score another goal this side of Xmas we still keep plugging away with them? Ferry can't be replied on to hit the net with the same regularity as Ritchie and while Bostock is saying he wants to score doing so is another kettle of fish. I'll reserve my judgement on hour two main strikers until after the next two home games but if they don't both score in those two games then my opinion on their ability won't change but I'll put my hand up and say well done if they do.
Very much more like your usual posts Malky, Fair play to you.
[quote][p][bold]Malkym[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Malkym[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Malkym[/bold] wrote: Oxon - the trouble is our strikers (W&C) are not scoring in the league are they -forget the cups -history - Collins has got 3 & Williams 2 . The much maligned RDV has 4 - and look how many times he's ben subbed - Ritchie has 7 -time for W&C to shape up or ship out IMO.[/p][/quote]Malkym, I agree they are not scoring in the league but as I said I am not overly worried because other players are scoring. It would be different if it was like our relegation season when we only had one striker who kept us in mid-table until January. Is that what we want ? Twenty goal strikers are great if you can find them but football is a team game. There is a team in the championship currently that look very much like we did two seasons ago. What is the betting on a similar outcome for them ! COYMR[/p][/quote]OXon - ok -so when the "others" goals dry up and the dream team are still not scoring what then? Aren't we then up the proverbial creek?[/p][/quote]Malkym, If the other goals dry up not when. If the other goals dry up maybe the strikers will be firing. I just think too much is made of having to have a 20 goal a season striker. Last season in League 1 there were 4 players that scored 20+ goals. The player that finished 6th with 16 now wears a Town Shirt. In League 2 there were no players that scored 20+ (Collins finished 8th with 14 and was young like Miles Storey) and in the Championship there were 2. Top 6 scorers in the League 1 scoring charts last season which do you go for ? Jordan Rhodes (36 goals) - way out of our price range. Ched Evans (29) - In jail. Bradley Wright-Philips (22) - no chance of signing. Staurt Beavon (21) - Signed by Preston and currently has 4 goals this season in 16 full appearances. Gary Nadine (18) - Interesting !!!!! Andy Williams (16) - Signed on a free transfer. Lots of IFs and BUTs I agree but (sorry) I reckon we should only start to worry if (sorry) the goals dry up as they did two seasons ago. COYMR[/p][/quote]Oxon thank you for your in depth reply. I do not profess to know the relative abilities or otherwise of other strikers. All I know is W & C are not doing it. Ok I'll cut Williams a little bit of slack given his recovery from injury and their goal drought may have something to do with the abysmal service from midfield of late. But at Walsall on Saturday they had plenty of service and they were both guilty of missing chances Collins in particular. Like I said how long do they get? So if neither of them score another goal this side of Xmas we still keep plugging away with them? Ferry can't be replied on to hit the net with the same regularity as Ritchie and while Bostock is saying he wants to score doing so is another kettle of fish. I'll reserve my judgement on hour two main strikers until after the next two home games but if they don't both score in those two games then my opinion on their ability won't change but I'll put my hand up and say well done if they do.[/p][/quote]Very much more like your usual posts Malky, Fair play to you. joey butler
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