UPDATED: Martin linked with Town switch as Benson holds Pompey talks

Swindon Advertiser: Paul Benson could be on the way to Pompey Paul Benson could be on the way to Pompey

TOWN striker Paul Benson has been linked with a move to fellow League One side Portsmouth, and he could be replaced at the County Ground by Norwich forward Chris Martin.

The former Charlton man has fallen out of favour with manager Paolo Di Canio in recent weeks, and the Advertiser understands he has travelled to the south coast for talks.

The deal could potentially be a loan move with a view to a full transfer, although nothing has been completed at this stage.

Benson's move would free up space in the Town squad for Martin, who has only featured once for the Canaries in the Premier League this season.

 

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11:10am Thu 15 Nov 12

Psychedelic Syd says...

Doesn't sound very sensible to me with our strikers so out of sorts. Benson always gives 100% I think we would miss him.
Doesn't sound very sensible to me with our strikers so out of sorts. Benson always gives 100% I think we would miss him. Psychedelic Syd

11:14am Thu 15 Nov 12

AFCBExile says...

It won't be a permanent transfer until Pompey come out of administration. Nobody there is on more than a one month contract at the moment.
It won't be a permanent transfer until Pompey come out of administration. Nobody there is on more than a one month contract at the moment. AFCBExile

11:18am Thu 15 Nov 12

RobinsTalk says...

I would assume Paolo is certain of bringing a new striker in if he lets Benno go as that only leaves Williams, Collins, the so far unimpressive Rooney and the Barcelona bound Miles Storey!! Even though RDV is/was a striker he seems to be favoured on the left wing now.

Unless of course Mr Di Canio will dust off his boots and don the red and white to strut his stuff on the CG pitch without incurring the wrath of the officials!! Ha ha.
I would assume Paolo is certain of bringing a new striker in if he lets Benno go as that only leaves Williams, Collins, the so far unimpressive Rooney and the Barcelona bound Miles Storey!! Even though RDV is/was a striker he seems to be favoured on the left wing now. Unless of course Mr Di Canio will dust off his boots and don the red and white to strut his stuff on the CG pitch without incurring the wrath of the officials!! Ha ha. RobinsTalk

11:34am Thu 15 Nov 12

Malkym says...

Strange decision to me - obviously Benno has found himself out of favour - perhaps wanting for pace a bit, but I'm sure he could still make a valuable contribution ala Connell, coming off the bench for short spells to see if he can nick a goal.
Strange decision to me - obviously Benno has found himself out of favour - perhaps wanting for pace a bit, but I'm sure he could still make a valuable contribution ala Connell, coming off the bench for short spells to see if he can nick a goal. Malkym

11:35am Thu 15 Nov 12

whizzy1978 says...

2nd worst decision di canio has made this season after the caddis inccident, He is by far the best striker at the club & always gives 100%, Pompey may only be able to sign players on a month to month basis but benson wont turn down the chance to join them as he will be more valued & appreciated by them than he has been from di canio.
2nd worst decision di canio has made this season after the caddis inccident, He is by far the best striker at the club & always gives 100%, Pompey may only be able to sign players on a month to month basis but benson wont turn down the chance to join them as he will be more valued & appreciated by them than he has been from di canio. whizzy1978

11:37am Thu 15 Nov 12

Swindon1984 says...

I like Benson myself, and even if not starting feels he can offer something different from the other strikers in terms of height and ability to hold up the ball. Would be a shame for him to leave but Paolo knows best, sure he's got something else up his sleeve.
I like Benson myself, and even if not starting feels he can offer something different from the other strikers in terms of height and ability to hold up the ball. Would be a shame for him to leave but Paolo knows best, sure he's got something else up his sleeve. Swindon1984

11:37am Thu 15 Nov 12

stigger says...

thoroughly good professional, would be sad to see him go, but apparently we have signed Chris Martin from Norwich on loan, 1 in 3 strike rate for them in higher divisions. Would rather we sent Adam Rooney back, not sure if we can by terms of season long loan though?
thoroughly good professional, would be sad to see him go, but apparently we have signed Chris Martin from Norwich on loan, 1 in 3 strike rate for them in higher divisions. Would rather we sent Adam Rooney back, not sure if we can by terms of season long loan though? stigger

11:38am Thu 15 Nov 12

wiki27 says...

If Benson were to leave, we will miss him. Out of all the strikers we have, he is the only one capable of winning balls in the air and also holds up the ball extremely well. Paolo should play him more often...be interesting to see him play up with Storey. However, at this stage of his career, am sure Benson wants to play every week which of course, he isn't at STFC. Shame...as he always gives 100% and as far as I am concerned, one of our more consistent performers.
If Benson were to leave, we will miss him. Out of all the strikers we have, he is the only one capable of winning balls in the air and also holds up the ball extremely well. Paolo should play him more often...be interesting to see him play up with Storey. However, at this stage of his career, am sure Benson wants to play every week which of course, he isn't at STFC. Shame...as he always gives 100% and as far as I am concerned, one of our more consistent performers. wiki27

12:00pm Thu 15 Nov 12

Baritone says...

I am going to be a party pooper and go against all this disapproving talk re the likely moves.

First, whilst I accept that Benson has done a good job and certainly made a major contribution to getting us out of the lower division, is he good enough for a club wishing to establish themselves in the Championship? Second, the comparison should not be between Benson and current strikers Williams and Collins (whom I expect to "come good") but with Chris Martin, who has played successfully at a higher level. Remember that most players brought in are (and nearly always have been) from higher divisions.

We are trying to build a Championship team - and I do not see where Benson fits in that scenario.
I am going to be a party pooper and go against all this disapproving talk re the likely moves. First, whilst I accept that Benson has done a good job and certainly made a major contribution to getting us out of the lower division, is he good enough for a club wishing to establish themselves in the Championship? Second, the comparison should not be between Benson and current strikers Williams and Collins (whom I expect to "come good") but with Chris Martin, who has played successfully at a higher level. Remember that most players brought in are (and nearly always have been) from higher divisions. We are trying to build a Championship team - and I do not see where Benson fits in that scenario. Baritone

12:04pm Thu 15 Nov 12

Oi Den! says...

Swindon1984 wrote:
I like Benson myself, and even if not starting feels he can offer something different from the other strikers in terms of height and ability to hold up the ball. Would be a shame for him to leave but Paolo knows best, sure he's got something else up his sleeve.
I'm not sure that he always knows best. You only have to look at some of his duff signings to question the wisdom of that theory. His opinion is the only one that matters though, and overall he's doing a decent job so far. Purely on footballing terms, I would keep Benson but financial constraints may mean that PDC could almost be operating on a "one in, one out" basis.
[quote][p][bold]Swindon1984[/bold] wrote: I like Benson myself, and even if not starting feels he can offer something different from the other strikers in terms of height and ability to hold up the ball. Would be a shame for him to leave but Paolo knows best, sure he's got something else up his sleeve.[/p][/quote]I'm not sure that he always knows best. You only have to look at some of his duff signings to question the wisdom of that theory. His opinion is the only one that matters though, and overall he's doing a decent job so far. Purely on footballing terms, I would keep Benson but financial constraints may mean that PDC could almost be operating on a "one in, one out" basis. Oi Den!

12:06pm Thu 15 Nov 12

Stroud STFC says...

Can't believe we have let him go - I'm sorry but I think Williams , Collins (& Mooney) have been very poor. I hear people around me talking about their speed, holding up etc but their stats for efforts on goal are pathetic. Neither Williams or Collins are good enough for the championship & hardly at L1 level. Are they better than Connel?? The were talked up before they came here but both had only short spells of goalscorring 'form' - otherwise not v good. Benson is the oly striker that can jump & win a header! That's PDC, I guess once your out of his gang.....
Can't believe we have let him go - I'm sorry but I think Williams , Collins (& Mooney) have been very poor. I hear people around me talking about their speed, holding up etc but their stats for efforts on goal are pathetic. Neither Williams or Collins are good enough for the championship & hardly at L1 level. Are they better than Connel?? The were talked up before they came here but both had only short spells of goalscorring 'form' - otherwise not v good. Benson is the oly striker that can jump & win a header! That's PDC, I guess once your out of his gang..... Stroud STFC

12:07pm Thu 15 Nov 12

Oi Den! says...

Sorry, I meant PDC's opinion is the only one that counts, not the only one that matters. I think fans' opinions always matter as much as those of whoever happens to be manager at any time.
Sorry, I meant PDC's opinion is the only one that counts, not the only one that matters. I think fans' opinions always matter as much as those of whoever happens to be manager at any time. Oi Den!

12:07pm Thu 15 Nov 12

TheBlackHand says...

Isn't this the same Benson that PDC described as the ultimate proffessional who looks after himself?????
Isn't this the same Benson that PDC described as the ultimate proffessional who looks after himself????? TheBlackHand

12:07pm Thu 15 Nov 12

wiki27 says...

Baritone. Agree with most of what you say. However, we need good senior Pro's at the club who set a good example to the the younger lads. Benson fits that role perfectly and can still add to the team on the pitch.
Baritone. Agree with most of what you say. However, we need good senior Pro's at the club who set a good example to the the younger lads. Benson fits that role perfectly and can still add to the team on the pitch. wiki27

12:19pm Thu 15 Nov 12

mallorca says...

Yet another duuf decision by Pdc.
Benson gave 100% and to be honest collins and Williams have not set the CG alight have they.
Now the striker from Norwich coming in Chris Martin again will he perform.Still all the best to him and PB if he goes to Pompey.
Still we aint football managers yet Pdc makes you think is he right in the head
Yet another duuf decision by Pdc. Benson gave 100% and to be honest collins and Williams have not set the CG alight have they. Now the striker from Norwich coming in Chris Martin again will he perform.Still all the best to him and PB if he goes to Pompey. Still we aint football managers yet Pdc makes you think is he right in the head mallorca

12:19pm Thu 15 Nov 12

mallorca says...

Yet another duuf decision by Pdc.
Benson gave 100% and to be honest collins and Williams have not set the CG alight have they.
Now the striker from Norwich coming in Chris Martin again will he perform.Still all the best to him and PB if he goes to Pompey.
Still we aint football managers yet Pdc makes you think is he right in the head
Yet another duuf decision by Pdc. Benson gave 100% and to be honest collins and Williams have not set the CG alight have they. Now the striker from Norwich coming in Chris Martin again will he perform.Still all the best to him and PB if he goes to Pompey. Still we aint football managers yet Pdc makes you think is he right in the head mallorca

12:20pm Thu 15 Nov 12

Swindon1984 says...

Stroud STFC wrote:
Can't believe we have let him go - I'm sorry but I think Williams , Collins (& Mooney) have been very poor. I hear people around me talking about their speed, holding up etc but their stats for efforts on goal are pathetic. Neither Williams or Collins are good enough for the championship & hardly at L1 level. Are they better than Connel?? The were talked up before they came here but both had only short spells of goalscorring 'form' - otherwise not v good. Benson is the oly striker that can jump & win a header! That's PDC, I guess once your out of his gang.....
FFS, back to the Connell thing again. We don't have Connell anymore. Fully appreciate everyone's got a right to their opinion but that's a conversation that's going to go nowhere.

To put it in perspective, we signed Collins from Shrewsbury, where he hit 22 in 68 games. A decent record. Connell scored 11 in 32 for us - his form elsewhere hasn't always been as good. There's no guarantee when you sign a player they'll do the business for you (I seem to remember a Mr Shevchenko signing for Chelsea and having a torrid time - nothing of his fantastic ability at AC Milan would have led them to believe that would be the case) but we signed players with a good pedigree, taking a chance they would score goals for us.

If we'd kept Connell, we'd have been taking a chance he could score for us at a highter level. You've said Williams and Collins aren't good enough for the championship and hardly at league 1, but then presume Connell would have done better based on what we've seen of him playing in League 2. Interesting.

On a lighter note, Martin from Norwich looks good though - used to playing at this level on loan and a decent strike record. Of course he could be awful for us but that's the chance you take.
[quote][p][bold]Stroud STFC[/bold] wrote: Can't believe we have let him go - I'm sorry but I think Williams , Collins (& Mooney) have been very poor. I hear people around me talking about their speed, holding up etc but their stats for efforts on goal are pathetic. Neither Williams or Collins are good enough for the championship & hardly at L1 level. Are they better than Connel?? The were talked up before they came here but both had only short spells of goalscorring 'form' - otherwise not v good. Benson is the oly striker that can jump & win a header! That's PDC, I guess once your out of his gang.....[/p][/quote]FFS, back to the Connell thing again. We don't have Connell anymore. Fully appreciate everyone's got a right to their opinion but that's a conversation that's going to go nowhere. To put it in perspective, we signed Collins from Shrewsbury, where he hit 22 in 68 games. A decent record. Connell scored 11 in 32 for us - his form elsewhere hasn't always been as good. There's no guarantee when you sign a player they'll do the business for you (I seem to remember a Mr Shevchenko signing for Chelsea and having a torrid time - nothing of his fantastic ability at AC Milan would have led them to believe that would be the case) but we signed players with a good pedigree, taking a chance they would score goals for us. If we'd kept Connell, we'd have been taking a chance he could score for us at a highter level. You've said Williams and Collins aren't good enough for the championship and hardly at league 1, but then presume Connell would have done better based on what we've seen of him playing in League 2. Interesting. On a lighter note, Martin from Norwich looks good though - used to playing at this level on loan and a decent strike record. Of course he could be awful for us but that's the chance you take. Swindon1984

12:30pm Thu 15 Nov 12

Swindon1984 says...

mallorca wrote:
Yet another duuf decision by Pdc. Benson gave 100% and to be honest collins and Williams have not set the CG alight have they. Now the striker from Norwich coming in Chris Martin again will he perform.Still all the best to him and PB if he goes to Pompey. Still we aint football managers yet Pdc makes you think is he right in the head
Surely too early to say whether it's a "duuf decision" - I'll take it if Martin comes here and scores a hatful this would still have been a "duuf decision" then? The proof of the pudding's in the eating, if he's brought a decent striker in who scores us goals and gets a player off our wage bill who isn't scoring, it's a great bit of business. If Martin does nothing for us and Benson goes on to score a load for Pompey, then clearly the decision won't be looked on so favourably.

Risser gave 100%, is anyone screaming to have him back??

As I said earlier I like Benson and think he'd be useful to keep, but without knowing all the inside dealings of the club, having the available information to know whether a deal could go through or not, whether it's dependant on letting another player go on loan etc, i.e. getting all the facts about why a decision was made, how can you say it's a "duuf" one? Smacks of casual arrogance to be honest, and maybe an overwillingness to chuck in a few cheap jibes at the manager from afar. Let's just see how things pan out and with hindsight, we can then see whether letting Benson go in order to bring another player in (if that is, as I suspect, what's happened out of neccessity) was a good call or not.
[quote][p][bold]mallorca[/bold] wrote: Yet another duuf decision by Pdc. Benson gave 100% and to be honest collins and Williams have not set the CG alight have they. Now the striker from Norwich coming in Chris Martin again will he perform.Still all the best to him and PB if he goes to Pompey. Still we aint football managers yet Pdc makes you think is he right in the head[/p][/quote]Surely too early to say whether it's a "duuf decision" - I'll take it if Martin comes here and scores a hatful this would still have been a "duuf decision" then? The proof of the pudding's in the eating, if he's brought a decent striker in who scores us goals and gets a player off our wage bill who isn't scoring, it's a great bit of business. If Martin does nothing for us and Benson goes on to score a load for Pompey, then clearly the decision won't be looked on so favourably. Risser gave 100%, is anyone screaming to have him back?? As I said earlier I like Benson and think he'd be useful to keep, but without knowing all the inside dealings of the club, having the available information to know whether a deal could go through or not, whether it's dependant on letting another player go on loan etc, i.e. getting all the facts about why a decision was made, how can you say it's a "duuf" one? Smacks of casual arrogance to be honest, and maybe an overwillingness to chuck in a few cheap jibes at the manager from afar. Let's just see how things pan out and with hindsight, we can then see whether letting Benson go in order to bring another player in (if that is, as I suspect, what's happened out of neccessity) was a good call or not. Swindon1984

12:31pm Thu 15 Nov 12

London Red says...

I can't beleive no one has even mentioned money in all of this!
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Benson was rumoured to be right at the top of the food cahin in terms of wages - so moving him on will free up a massive chunk to improve the squad as a whole
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Benson is not playing and not scoring for us at present so how can he be "missed" (on the field)
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I like Benson but always expected him to be phased out - it has come faster than I expected - but shouldn't be unexpected by anyone
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Charlton moved him on when they became contenders to go up and he was younger then!
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Top bloke, great professional - but not a top L1 striker
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As saisd by the odd sensible poster - it is Martin who should be the compariosn and he certainly seems to have a decent record
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We'll see if it is a mistake if Benson suddenly fires them in left right and centre for Pompey yet Martin does nothing for us
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Are we actually going to give him a chance? Or do we have to do the usual write him off before he has kicked a ball!
I can't beleive no one has even mentioned money in all of this! . Benson was rumoured to be right at the top of the food cahin in terms of wages - so moving him on will free up a massive chunk to improve the squad as a whole . Benson is not playing and not scoring for us at present so how can he be "missed" (on the field) . I like Benson but always expected him to be phased out - it has come faster than I expected - but shouldn't be unexpected by anyone . Charlton moved him on when they became contenders to go up and he was younger then! . Top bloke, great professional - but not a top L1 striker . As saisd by the odd sensible poster - it is Martin who should be the compariosn and he certainly seems to have a decent record . We'll see if it is a mistake if Benson suddenly fires them in left right and centre for Pompey yet Martin does nothing for us . Are we actually going to give him a chance? Or do we have to do the usual write him off before he has kicked a ball! London Red

12:41pm Thu 15 Nov 12

Even Angrier Monkey says...

Impressed with the quality of the 2 loan signings.
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Both played virtually every game for teams that went up as league 1 champions in the past 3 years - so clearly they cant be bad players.
Impressed with the quality of the 2 loan signings. . Both played virtually every game for teams that went up as league 1 champions in the past 3 years - so clearly they cant be bad players. Even Angrier Monkey

12:46pm Thu 15 Nov 12

Northern Red says...

Just please have the sense to put in the clause that he can't play against us! #curseoftheexplayers
Just please have the sense to put in the clause that he can't play against us! #curseoftheexplayers Northern Red

12:49pm Thu 15 Nov 12

peatmoorred says...

To the people who are saying Williams ect are no different to Connell . How many has he got for Bradford? Out of all the ones he let go in the summer maybe j smith was worth keeping

There are to many armchair supporters on this site that think they know better

Pdc is with the players every day and has himself played at the highest level so I would judge him better than half the plonkers on here who play too much championship manager..

Any other thing I'm getting annoyed about is the amount of crap Pdc get .

We're a few point off autos we have had a few cup runs won a championship for the 1st time since 96 is it? And yet you still moan why don't you go and do your coaching badges become a manager and see if its as easy as you all think
To the people who are saying Williams ect are no different to Connell . How many has he got for Bradford? Out of all the ones he let go in the summer maybe j smith was worth keeping There are to many armchair supporters on this site that think they know better Pdc is with the players every day and has himself played at the highest level so I would judge him better than half the plonkers on here who play too much championship manager.. Any other thing I'm getting annoyed about is the amount of crap Pdc get . We're a few point off autos we have had a few cup runs won a championship for the 1st time since 96 is it? And yet you still moan why don't you go and do your coaching badges become a manager and see if its as easy as you all think peatmoorred

12:55pm Thu 15 Nov 12

Wilesy says...

On paper -

Hollands in - good decision

Benson out / Martin in - good decision
Benson out of form and has never really proven himself at L1 whereas Martin has.
On paper - Hollands in - good decision Benson out / Martin in - good decision Benson out of form and has never really proven himself at L1 whereas Martin has. Wilesy

12:56pm Thu 15 Nov 12

Malkym says...

Can't see this Chris Martin thing working - after all Coldplay are crap! :)
Can't see this Chris Martin thing working - after all Coldplay are crap! :) Malkym

12:59pm Thu 15 Nov 12

SeanG92 says...

Does seem a strange one, but maybe Paolo is just playing the role of The Scientist, and wants to try a few things out, Bnson hasn't been as good this season as he was last and perhaps Paolo has said a move on loan for a bit will Fix You. Anyway get Martin out of Yellow and into the Red and White we better hurry up as well the emergency loan Clocks ticking.
Does seem a strange one, but maybe Paolo is just playing the role of The Scientist, and wants to try a few things out, Bnson hasn't been as good this season as he was last and perhaps Paolo has said a move on loan for a bit will Fix You. Anyway get Martin out of Yellow and into the Red and White we better hurry up as well the emergency loan Clocks ticking. SeanG92

1:00pm Thu 15 Nov 12

jam1 says...

Both very Impressive players, Martin scored 17 goals in Norwich's league 1 title winning year a couple of seasons ago. Hollands again superb league one quality. Both can perform at a higher level as they have proved.

Benno has been a good servant, very good in league 2, but he does struggle in league 1. He's not strong or quick enough. Wish him well at Pompey if the move goes through.
Both very Impressive players, Martin scored 17 goals in Norwich's league 1 title winning year a couple of seasons ago. Hollands again superb league one quality. Both can perform at a higher level as they have proved. Benno has been a good servant, very good in league 2, but he does struggle in league 1. He's not strong or quick enough. Wish him well at Pompey if the move goes through. jam1

1:01pm Thu 15 Nov 12

the don69 says...

Even Angrier Monkey wrote:
Impressed with the quality of the 2 loan signings.
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Both played virtually every game for teams that went up as league 1 champions in the past 3 years - so clearly they cant be bad players.
Spot on,they look good signings to me,but of course you never know until they play,we really need a striker that can put the ball in the net,cause our two new strikers are struggling,lets hope Martin can show them how it's done!!!!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Even Angrier Monkey[/bold] wrote: Impressed with the quality of the 2 loan signings. . Both played virtually every game for teams that went up as league 1 champions in the past 3 years - so clearly they cant be bad players.[/p][/quote]Spot on,they look good signings to me,but of course you never know until they play,we really need a striker that can put the ball in the net,cause our two new strikers are struggling,lets hope Martin can show them how it's done!!!!!!!!!! the don69

1:03pm Thu 15 Nov 12

Wilesy says...

I see a few years ago he was banned from 68 pubs in Suffolk! (LR no need to list them :-) )

I'm sure he's calmed down now though and his record at this level is very good.
I see a few years ago he was banned from 68 pubs in Suffolk! (LR no need to list them :-) ) I'm sure he's calmed down now though and his record at this level is very good. Wilesy

1:08pm Thu 15 Nov 12

smirg kcab says...

Malkym wrote:
Can't see this Chris Martin thing working - after all Coldplay are crap! :)
Perhaps paolo fancys his wife?
Onwards and downwards


Martin quality
Benson very good
Storey great potential.
Williams poor very overrated
Collins sorry but very very poor
Rooney TAXI
[quote][p][bold]Malkym[/bold] wrote: Can't see this Chris Martin thing working - after all Coldplay are crap! :)[/p][/quote]Perhaps paolo fancys his wife? Onwards and downwards Martin quality Benson very good Storey great potential. Williams poor very overrated Collins sorry but very very poor Rooney TAXI smirg kcab

1:09pm Thu 15 Nov 12

newburymike says...

Chris Martin (Coldplay)
Andy Williams

Who next? I believe Michael Jackson & robbie Williams are still playing league football somewhere!!!
Chris Martin (Coldplay) Andy Williams Who next? I believe Michael Jackson & robbie Williams are still playing league football somewhere!!! newburymike

1:17pm Thu 15 Nov 12

Stroud STFC says...

Swindon1984 wrote:
Stroud STFC wrote: Can't believe we have let him go - I'm sorry but I think Williams , Collins (& Mooney) have been very poor. I hear people around me talking about their speed, holding up etc but their stats for efforts on goal are pathetic. Neither Williams or Collins are good enough for the championship & hardly at L1 level. Are they better than Connel?? The were talked up before they came here but both had only short spells of goalscorring 'form' - otherwise not v good. Benson is the oly striker that can jump & win a header! That's PDC, I guess once your out of his gang.....
FFS, back to the Connell thing again. We don't have Connell anymore. Fully appreciate everyone's got a right to their opinion but that's a conversation that's going to go nowhere. To put it in perspective, we signed Collins from Shrewsbury, where he hit 22 in 68 games. A decent record. Connell scored 11 in 32 for us - his form elsewhere hasn't always been as good. There's no guarantee when you sign a player they'll do the business for you (I seem to remember a Mr Shevchenko signing for Chelsea and having a torrid time - nothing of his fantastic ability at AC Milan would have led them to believe that would be the case) but we signed players with a good pedigree, taking a chance they would score goals for us. If we'd kept Connell, we'd have been taking a chance he could score for us at a highter level. You've said Williams and Collins aren't good enough for the championship and hardly at league 1, but then presume Connell would have done better based on what we've seen of him playing in League 2. Interesting. On a lighter note, Martin from Norwich looks good though - used to playing at this level on loan and a decent strike record. Of course he could be awful for us but that's the chance you take.
True 1984 - what I didn't make clear is that I don't think they have given us much that we didn't have for a fraction of the cost! I didn't think Connell was fantastic but was he much worse for less money?? However, I will watch Williams & Collins closely - I really hope I'm wrong - but I don think they will cut.. .hope Hollands will.
[quote][p][bold]Swindon1984[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stroud STFC[/bold] wrote: Can't believe we have let him go - I'm sorry but I think Williams , Collins (& Mooney) have been very poor. I hear people around me talking about their speed, holding up etc but their stats for efforts on goal are pathetic. Neither Williams or Collins are good enough for the championship & hardly at L1 level. Are they better than Connel?? The were talked up before they came here but both had only short spells of goalscorring 'form' - otherwise not v good. Benson is the oly striker that can jump & win a header! That's PDC, I guess once your out of his gang.....[/p][/quote]FFS, back to the Connell thing again. We don't have Connell anymore. Fully appreciate everyone's got a right to their opinion but that's a conversation that's going to go nowhere. To put it in perspective, we signed Collins from Shrewsbury, where he hit 22 in 68 games. A decent record. Connell scored 11 in 32 for us - his form elsewhere hasn't always been as good. There's no guarantee when you sign a player they'll do the business for you (I seem to remember a Mr Shevchenko signing for Chelsea and having a torrid time - nothing of his fantastic ability at AC Milan would have led them to believe that would be the case) but we signed players with a good pedigree, taking a chance they would score goals for us. If we'd kept Connell, we'd have been taking a chance he could score for us at a highter level. You've said Williams and Collins aren't good enough for the championship and hardly at league 1, but then presume Connell would have done better based on what we've seen of him playing in League 2. Interesting. On a lighter note, Martin from Norwich looks good though - used to playing at this level on loan and a decent strike record. Of course he could be awful for us but that's the chance you take.[/p][/quote]True 1984 - what I didn't make clear is that I don't think they have given us much that we didn't have for a fraction of the cost! I didn't think Connell was fantastic but was he much worse for less money?? However, I will watch Williams & Collins closely - I really hope I'm wrong - but I don think they will cut.. .hope Hollands will. Stroud STFC

1:25pm Thu 15 Nov 12

RamsburyRed says...

Martin looks a very good acquisition and could be just what we need to get the goals flowing. I think it's a pity that Benson has to give way but we know we're up to the budget so something has to give.
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As a few have said, the proof of the pudding etc etc. But on the face of it, a good day's business.
Martin looks a very good acquisition and could be just what we need to get the goals flowing. I think it's a pity that Benson has to give way but we know we're up to the budget so something has to give. * As a few have said, the proof of the pudding etc etc. But on the face of it, a good day's business. RamsburyRed

1:29pm Thu 15 Nov 12

SeanG92 says...

Yeh it appears that Benson going out is the same as Rooney being loaned out again. A position we are currently filled with players in, need to free up wages, someone has to go!
Yeh it appears that Benson going out is the same as Rooney being loaned out again. A position we are currently filled with players in, need to free up wages, someone has to go! SeanG92

1:45pm Thu 15 Nov 12

madterrier says...

Benson is the only striker we have that can hold the ball up properly and win (and direct) headers.

I think he allows other options, such as playing 4-3-3 and accommodating a second striker in the hole - our other strikers struggle to play that role.

Obviously against him is his pace (lack of).

On Wikipedia, can see that Martin's strike rate is 1 in 4. Also seems to have a drink problem, if the being barred from pubs stuff is correct. http://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/Chris_Marti
n_(footballer_born_1
988)

Will be interesting.
Benson is the only striker we have that can hold the ball up properly and win (and direct) headers. I think he allows other options, such as playing 4-3-3 and accommodating a second striker in the hole - our other strikers struggle to play that role. Obviously against him is his pace (lack of). On Wikipedia, can see that Martin's strike rate is 1 in 4. Also seems to have a drink problem, if the being barred from pubs stuff is correct. http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Chris_Marti n_(footballer_born_1 988) Will be interesting. madterrier

1:54pm Thu 15 Nov 12

smirg kcab says...

newburymike wrote:
Chris Martin (Coldplay)
Andy Williams

Who next? I believe Michael Jackson & robbie Williams are still playing league football somewhere!!!
We want someone for the Christmas period I'm sure Phil spencer could get cliff Richard
Onwards and downwards
[quote][p][bold]newburymike[/bold] wrote: Chris Martin (Coldplay) Andy Williams Who next? I believe Michael Jackson & robbie Williams are still playing league football somewhere!!![/p][/quote]We want someone for the Christmas period I'm sure Phil spencer could get cliff Richard Onwards and downwards smirg kcab

2:07pm Thu 15 Nov 12

Oi Den! says...

London Red wrote:
I can't beleive no one has even mentioned money in all of this!
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Benson was rumoured to be right at the top of the food cahin in terms of wages - so moving him on will free up a massive chunk to improve the squad as a whole
.
Benson is not playing and not scoring for us at present so how can he be "missed" (on the field)
.
I like Benson but always expected him to be phased out - it has come faster than I expected - but shouldn't be unexpected by anyone
.
Charlton moved him on when they became contenders to go up and he was younger then!
.
Top bloke, great professional - but not a top L1 striker
.
As saisd by the odd sensible poster - it is Martin who should be the compariosn and he certainly seems to have a decent record
.
We'll see if it is a mistake if Benson suddenly fires them in left right and centre for Pompey yet Martin does nothing for us
.
Are we actually going to give him a chance? Or do we have to do the usual write him off before he has kicked a ball!
Someone did mention money! (12:04 pm)
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: I can't beleive no one has even mentioned money in all of this! . Benson was rumoured to be right at the top of the food cahin in terms of wages - so moving him on will free up a massive chunk to improve the squad as a whole . Benson is not playing and not scoring for us at present so how can he be "missed" (on the field) . I like Benson but always expected him to be phased out - it has come faster than I expected - but shouldn't be unexpected by anyone . Charlton moved him on when they became contenders to go up and he was younger then! . Top bloke, great professional - but not a top L1 striker . As saisd by the odd sensible poster - it is Martin who should be the compariosn and he certainly seems to have a decent record . We'll see if it is a mistake if Benson suddenly fires them in left right and centre for Pompey yet Martin does nothing for us . Are we actually going to give him a chance? Or do we have to do the usual write him off before he has kicked a ball![/p][/quote]Someone did mention money! (12:04 pm) Oi Den!

2:35pm Thu 15 Nov 12

EastleazeRed says...

If its the same chris martin i'm thinking about he's a quality player. Man utd & Arsenel were rumoured to be after him a few seasons back !
If its the same chris martin i'm thinking about he's a quality player. Man utd & Arsenel were rumoured to be after him a few seasons back ! EastleazeRed

2:44pm Thu 15 Nov 12

NORTH STAND says...

EastleazeRed wrote:
If its the same chris martin i'm thinking about he's a quality player. Man utd & Arsenel were rumoured to be after him a few seasons back !
It is - and he is....

two cracking bits of business today and the usual mischief makers looking sillier by the minute...
[quote][p][bold]EastleazeRed[/bold] wrote: If its the same chris martin i'm thinking about he's a quality player. Man utd & Arsenel were rumoured to be after him a few seasons back ![/p][/quote]It is - and he is.... two cracking bits of business today and the usual mischief makers looking sillier by the minute... NORTH STAND

3:44pm Thu 15 Nov 12

London Red says...

Oh yeah Den - missed that one
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Still seemed a blatently obvious reason that 99% seemed to completely over look
.
I think it is cracking bit of business (on paper) as I have said we had 3 in that style and needed something different
.
We now have 3 different styles
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Williams/Storey - pace and running
Collins/Rooney - target
Martin - fox in the box
Oh yeah Den - missed that one . Still seemed a blatently obvious reason that 99% seemed to completely over look . I think it is cracking bit of business (on paper) as I have said we had 3 in that style and needed something different . We now have 3 different styles . Williams/Storey - pace and running Collins/Rooney - target Martin - fox in the box London Red

4:39pm Thu 15 Nov 12

Oxon-Red says...

madterrier wrote:
Benson is the only striker we have that can hold the ball up properly and win (and direct) headers. I think he allows other options, such as playing 4-3-3 and accommodating a second striker in the hole - our other strikers struggle to play that role. Obviously against him is his pace (lack of). On Wikipedia, can see that Martin's strike rate is 1 in 4. Also seems to have a drink problem, if the being barred from pubs stuff is correct. http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Chris_Marti n_(footballer_born_1 988) Will be interesting.
Love PB to bits but the last game I saw him play he was awful, passing to the linesman most of the time.

He is not the only one to be able to win headers and hold the ball up, as Collins can and can do so for a full 90 minutes.

I don't buy the "our strikers are poor" argument because most of the time it seems to be wholly based on the number of goals they have scored and if you don't get one every other game you are no good.

I haven't seen every game but I have seen every home game this season and my observation is the lack of chances that actually come the strikers way. This may be down to poor positioning on their part, poor delivery or a combination of the two. I believe that if these two factors can be sorted the strikers will start to score more regularly.

On Rooney, again I have only seen him at the CG and his time playing has been limited but he has looked okay to me. He has missed a couple of chances but no strikers scores every time. In his defence he has played roughly 550 minutes (6 full games) in total and has three goals. Not a bad strike rate IMO.

Martin could well be a good move with the chance to see before we (possibly) commit to a more long term arrangement.

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]madterrier[/bold] wrote: Benson is the only striker we have that can hold the ball up properly and win (and direct) headers. I think he allows other options, such as playing 4-3-3 and accommodating a second striker in the hole - our other strikers struggle to play that role. Obviously against him is his pace (lack of). On Wikipedia, can see that Martin's strike rate is 1 in 4. Also seems to have a drink problem, if the being barred from pubs stuff is correct. http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Chris_Marti n_(footballer_born_1 988) Will be interesting.[/p][/quote]Love PB to bits but the last game I saw him play he was awful, passing to the linesman most of the time. He is not the only one to be able to win headers and hold the ball up, as Collins can and can do so for a full 90 minutes. I don't buy the "our strikers are poor" argument because most of the time it seems to be wholly based on the number of goals they have scored and if you don't get one every other game you are no good. I haven't seen every game but I have seen every home game this season and my observation is the lack of chances that actually come the strikers way. This may be down to poor positioning on their part, poor delivery or a combination of the two. I believe that if these two factors can be sorted the strikers will start to score more regularly. On Rooney, again I have only seen him at the CG and his time playing has been limited but he has looked okay to me. He has missed a couple of chances but no strikers scores every time. In his defence he has played roughly 550 minutes (6 full games) in total and has three goals. Not a bad strike rate IMO. Martin could well be a good move with the chance to see before we (possibly) commit to a more long term arrangement. COYMR Oxon-Red

4:40pm Thu 15 Nov 12

Malkym says...

madterrier wrote:
Benson is the only striker we have that can hold the ball up properly and win (and direct) headers. I think he allows other options, such as playing 4-3-3 and accommodating a second striker in the hole - our other strikers struggle to play that role. Obviously against him is his pace (lack of). On Wikipedia, can see that Martin's strike rate is 1 in 4. Also seems to have a drink problem, if the being barred from pubs stuff is correct. http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Chris_Marti n_(footballer_born_1 988) Will be interesting.
Maybe he's related to Dean Martin if he likes a drop of the hard stuff! "Little ole wine drinker him"

Deano is once reputed to have said "You're not drunk if you can lie on the floor without holding on" :)
[quote][p][bold]madterrier[/bold] wrote: Benson is the only striker we have that can hold the ball up properly and win (and direct) headers. I think he allows other options, such as playing 4-3-3 and accommodating a second striker in the hole - our other strikers struggle to play that role. Obviously against him is his pace (lack of). On Wikipedia, can see that Martin's strike rate is 1 in 4. Also seems to have a drink problem, if the being barred from pubs stuff is correct. http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Chris_Marti n_(footballer_born_1 988) Will be interesting.[/p][/quote]Maybe he's related to Dean Martin if he likes a drop of the hard stuff! "Little ole wine drinker him" Deano is once reputed to have said "You're not drunk if you can lie on the floor without holding on" :) Malkym

5:00pm Thu 15 Nov 12

Oi Den! says...

Malkym wrote:
madterrier wrote:
Benson is the only striker we have that can hold the ball up properly and win (and direct) headers. I think he allows other options, such as playing 4-3-3 and accommodating a second striker in the hole - our other strikers struggle to play that role. Obviously against him is his pace (lack of). On Wikipedia, can see that Martin's strike rate is 1 in 4. Also seems to have a drink problem, if the being barred from pubs stuff is correct. http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Chris_Marti n_(footballer_born_1 988) Will be interesting.
Maybe he's related to Dean Martin if he likes a drop of the hard stuff! "Little ole wine drinker him"

Deano is once reputed to have said "You're not drunk if you can lie on the floor without holding on" :)
And "It takes just one drink to get me drunk, but I can't remember whether it's the 17th or the 18th".
[quote][p][bold]Malkym[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]madterrier[/bold] wrote: Benson is the only striker we have that can hold the ball up properly and win (and direct) headers. I think he allows other options, such as playing 4-3-3 and accommodating a second striker in the hole - our other strikers struggle to play that role. Obviously against him is his pace (lack of). On Wikipedia, can see that Martin's strike rate is 1 in 4. Also seems to have a drink problem, if the being barred from pubs stuff is correct. http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Chris_Marti n_(footballer_born_1 988) Will be interesting.[/p][/quote]Maybe he's related to Dean Martin if he likes a drop of the hard stuff! "Little ole wine drinker him" Deano is once reputed to have said "You're not drunk if you can lie on the floor without holding on" :)[/p][/quote]And "It takes just one drink to get me drunk, but I can't remember whether it's the 17th or the 18th". Oi Den!

5:52pm Thu 15 Nov 12

old town robin says...

Oxon-Red wrote:
madterrier wrote:
Benson is the only striker we have that can hold the ball up properly and win (and direct) headers. I think he allows other options, such as playing 4-3-3 and accommodating a second striker in the hole - our other strikers struggle to play that role. Obviously against him is his pace (lack of). On Wikipedia, can see that Martin's strike rate is 1 in 4. Also seems to have a drink problem, if the being barred from pubs stuff is correct. http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Chris_Marti n_(footballer_born_1 988) Will be interesting.
Love PB to bits but the last game I saw him play he was awful, passing to the linesman most of the time.

He is not the only one to be able to win headers and hold the ball up, as Collins can and can do so for a full 90 minutes.

I don't buy the "our strikers are poor" argument because most of the time it seems to be wholly based on the number of goals they have scored and if you don't get one every other game you are no good.

I haven't seen every game but I have seen every home game this season and my observation is the lack of chances that actually come the strikers way. This may be down to poor positioning on their part, poor delivery or a combination of the two. I believe that if these two factors can be sorted the strikers will start to score more regularly.

On Rooney, again I have only seen him at the CG and his time playing has been limited but he has looked okay to me. He has missed a couple of chances but no strikers scores every time. In his defence he has played roughly 550 minutes (6 full games) in total and has three goals. Not a bad strike rate IMO.

Martin could well be a good move with the chance to see before we (possibly) commit to a more long term arrangement.

COYMR
Good post Ox-red and agree with all your comments. Last time I saw Benson play, probably the same one you mentioned, he was subbed early and there was a comment from Paolo after the game that gave me the impression his chances in the future of starting would be few and far between.

For those that are in shock of him going, he is still a Swindon player and has gone on loan for a month, get over it, most footballers are journeymen, it's part and parcel of their lives to move around, gone are the days of a player staying with just the one club.

Superb bit of business by Paolo today. Expect Holland and Martin to be on the bench Saturday to start with, really looking forward to see them get some game time against Yeovil.
[quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]madterrier[/bold] wrote: Benson is the only striker we have that can hold the ball up properly and win (and direct) headers. I think he allows other options, such as playing 4-3-3 and accommodating a second striker in the hole - our other strikers struggle to play that role. Obviously against him is his pace (lack of). On Wikipedia, can see that Martin's strike rate is 1 in 4. Also seems to have a drink problem, if the being barred from pubs stuff is correct. http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Chris_Marti n_(footballer_born_1 988) Will be interesting.[/p][/quote]Love PB to bits but the last game I saw him play he was awful, passing to the linesman most of the time. He is not the only one to be able to win headers and hold the ball up, as Collins can and can do so for a full 90 minutes. I don't buy the "our strikers are poor" argument because most of the time it seems to be wholly based on the number of goals they have scored and if you don't get one every other game you are no good. I haven't seen every game but I have seen every home game this season and my observation is the lack of chances that actually come the strikers way. This may be down to poor positioning on their part, poor delivery or a combination of the two. I believe that if these two factors can be sorted the strikers will start to score more regularly. On Rooney, again I have only seen him at the CG and his time playing has been limited but he has looked okay to me. He has missed a couple of chances but no strikers scores every time. In his defence he has played roughly 550 minutes (6 full games) in total and has three goals. Not a bad strike rate IMO. Martin could well be a good move with the chance to see before we (possibly) commit to a more long term arrangement. COYMR[/p][/quote]Good post Ox-red and agree with all your comments. Last time I saw Benson play, probably the same one you mentioned, he was subbed early and there was a comment from Paolo after the game that gave me the impression his chances in the future of starting would be few and far between. For those that are in shock of him going, he is still a Swindon player and has gone on loan for a month, get over it, most footballers are journeymen, it's part and parcel of their lives to move around, gone are the days of a player staying with just the one club. Superb bit of business by Paolo today. Expect Holland and Martin to be on the bench Saturday to start with, really looking forward to see them get some game time against Yeovil. old town robin

6:35pm Thu 15 Nov 12

London Red says...

Agree Oxen - it also doesn't take into account when defenders or keepers pull off top blocks or saves to deny them - or is it only Wes who can get credit for that?
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I've seen Collins be denied by their keeper and you can only say what a save - not what a miss!
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This move also gives us a chance to snap up another good YOUNG player for free
.
He clearly says he is entering the end of his deal and wants to play - if he comes here and does the business we could sign him on for free as over 24 which would be great - and give us potential resale value
.
Martin has a fantastic record at L2/L1 level so could be just what we need
.
Sat would be as follows for me:
.
Wes
Thompson Devera Ward McEveley
Ritchie Ferry Bostock Roberts
Martin Williams
.
Bedwell Troy Hollands Collins Storey Rooney Macca or Thompson depending on if Macca is back
Agree Oxen - it also doesn't take into account when defenders or keepers pull off top blocks or saves to deny them - or is it only Wes who can get credit for that? . I've seen Collins be denied by their keeper and you can only say what a save - not what a miss! . This move also gives us a chance to snap up another good YOUNG player for free . He clearly says he is entering the end of his deal and wants to play - if he comes here and does the business we could sign him on for free as over 24 which would be great - and give us potential resale value . Martin has a fantastic record at L2/L1 level so could be just what we need . Sat would be as follows for me: . Wes Thompson Devera Ward McEveley Ritchie Ferry Bostock Roberts Martin Williams . Bedwell Troy Hollands Collins Storey Rooney Macca or Thompson depending on if Macca is back London Red

6:57pm Thu 15 Nov 12

Mondeaux says...

SeanG92 wrote:
Does seem a strange one, but maybe Paolo is just playing the role of The Scientist, and wants to try a few things out, Bnson hasn't been as good this season as he was last and perhaps Paolo has said a move on loan for a bit will Fix You. Anyway get Martin out of Yellow and into the Red and White we better hurry up as well the emergency loan Clocks ticking.
The clock is ticking??
Yes, that's what clocks do, or had you not noticed?
[quote][p][bold]SeanG92[/bold] wrote: Does seem a strange one, but maybe Paolo is just playing the role of The Scientist, and wants to try a few things out, Bnson hasn't been as good this season as he was last and perhaps Paolo has said a move on loan for a bit will Fix You. Anyway get Martin out of Yellow and into the Red and White we better hurry up as well the emergency loan Clocks ticking.[/p][/quote]The clock is ticking?? Yes, that's what clocks do, or had you not noticed? Mondeaux

7:11pm Thu 15 Nov 12

Mondeaux says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Malkym wrote:
madterrier wrote:
Benson is the only striker we have that can hold the ball up properly and win (and direct) headers. I think he allows other options, such as playing 4-3-3 and accommodating a second striker in the hole - our other strikers struggle to play that role. Obviously against him is his pace (lack of). On Wikipedia, can see that Martin's strike rate is 1 in 4. Also seems to have a drink problem, if the being barred from pubs stuff is correct. http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Chris_Marti n_(footballer_born_1 988) Will be interesting.
Maybe he's related to Dean Martin if he likes a drop of the hard stuff! "Little ole wine drinker him"

Deano is once reputed to have said "You're not drunk if you can lie on the floor without holding on" :)
And "It takes just one drink to get me drunk, but I can't remember whether it's the 17th or the 18th".
It may have been Deano or Sinatra who said, "You wake up without a hangover and think, is this as good as I'm going to feel all day?
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Malkym[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]madterrier[/bold] wrote: Benson is the only striker we have that can hold the ball up properly and win (and direct) headers. I think he allows other options, such as playing 4-3-3 and accommodating a second striker in the hole - our other strikers struggle to play that role. Obviously against him is his pace (lack of). On Wikipedia, can see that Martin's strike rate is 1 in 4. Also seems to have a drink problem, if the being barred from pubs stuff is correct. http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Chris_Marti n_(footballer_born_1 988) Will be interesting.[/p][/quote]Maybe he's related to Dean Martin if he likes a drop of the hard stuff! "Little ole wine drinker him" Deano is once reputed to have said "You're not drunk if you can lie on the floor without holding on" :)[/p][/quote]And "It takes just one drink to get me drunk, but I can't remember whether it's the 17th or the 18th".[/p][/quote]It may have been Deano or Sinatra who said, "You wake up without a hangover and think, is this as good as I'm going to feel all day? Mondeaux

7:17pm Thu 15 Nov 12

mikek says...

madterrier wrote:
Benson is the only striker we have that can hold the ball up properly and win (and direct) headers.

I think he allows other options, such as playing 4-3-3 and accommodating a second striker in the hole - our other strikers struggle to play that role.

Obviously against him is his pace (lack of).

On Wikipedia, can see that Martin's strike rate is 1 in 4. Also seems to have a drink problem, if the being barred from pubs stuff is correct. http://en.wikipedia.

org/wiki/Chris_Marti

n_(footballer_born_1

988)

Will be interesting.
Totally disagree with that statement, from what I have seen from Benson he has been pushed off the ball to easily and if he did win a header it went no where not that he has won many this season. Charlton got rid so may be at his age he is best suited to league 2 where he did very well. This division has shown him up to be lacking somewhat in apsects of his game hence the little game time Paolo has given him. Chris Martin is a much better player at this level and above.
[quote][p][bold]madterrier[/bold] wrote: Benson is the only striker we have that can hold the ball up properly and win (and direct) headers. I think he allows other options, such as playing 4-3-3 and accommodating a second striker in the hole - our other strikers struggle to play that role. Obviously against him is his pace (lack of). On Wikipedia, can see that Martin's strike rate is 1 in 4. Also seems to have a drink problem, if the being barred from pubs stuff is correct. http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Chris_Marti n_(footballer_born_1 988) Will be interesting.[/p][/quote]Totally disagree with that statement, from what I have seen from Benson he has been pushed off the ball to easily and if he did win a header it went no where not that he has won many this season. Charlton got rid so may be at his age he is best suited to league 2 where he did very well. This division has shown him up to be lacking somewhat in apsects of his game hence the little game time Paolo has given him. Chris Martin is a much better player at this level and above. mikek

7:31pm Thu 15 Nov 12

mikek says...

Its seems this season we are scoring goals from all over the pitch unlike other seasons when we have relied on just two or three players. At the end of the day the end result is the same we win games, yet fans choose to knock Williams and Collins who work their tails of and have been very unlucky not to have scored more goals. Just look at the saves keepers have made and the woodwork that has stopped these two scoring more. Why measure a players worth solely on his goal record, there is more to football than that guys. I feel that if the goals are going in elsewhere then that is good enough for me. I remember fans moaning a few seasons back when we only had 3 players scoring most of the goals.
Its seems this season we are scoring goals from all over the pitch unlike other seasons when we have relied on just two or three players. At the end of the day the end result is the same we win games, yet fans choose to knock Williams and Collins who work their tails of and have been very unlucky not to have scored more goals. Just look at the saves keepers have made and the woodwork that has stopped these two scoring more. Why measure a players worth solely on his goal record, there is more to football than that guys. I feel that if the goals are going in elsewhere then that is good enough for me. I remember fans moaning a few seasons back when we only had 3 players scoring most of the goals. mikek

7:34pm Thu 15 Nov 12

the don69 says...

Mondeaux wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Malkym wrote:
madterrier wrote:
Benson is the only striker we have that can hold the ball up properly and win (and direct) headers. I think he allows other options, such as playing 4-3-3 and accommodating a second striker in the hole - our other strikers struggle to play that role. Obviously against him is his pace (lack of). On Wikipedia, can see that Martin's strike rate is 1 in 4. Also seems to have a drink problem, if the being barred from pubs stuff is correct. http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Chris_Marti n_(footballer_born_1 988) Will be interesting.
Maybe he's related to Dean Martin if he likes a drop of the hard stuff! "Little ole wine drinker him"

Deano is once reputed to have said "You're not drunk if you can lie on the floor without holding on" :)
And "It takes just one drink to get me drunk, but I can't remember whether it's the 17th or the 18th".
It may have been Deano or Sinatra who said, "You wake up without a hangover and think, is this as good as I'm going to feel all day?
Deano also said!If you drink,don't drive,in fact don't even putt!!!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Mondeaux[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Malkym[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]madterrier[/bold] wrote: Benson is the only striker we have that can hold the ball up properly and win (and direct) headers. I think he allows other options, such as playing 4-3-3 and accommodating a second striker in the hole - our other strikers struggle to play that role. Obviously against him is his pace (lack of). On Wikipedia, can see that Martin's strike rate is 1 in 4. Also seems to have a drink problem, if the being barred from pubs stuff is correct. http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Chris_Marti n_(footballer_born_1 988) Will be interesting.[/p][/quote]Maybe he's related to Dean Martin if he likes a drop of the hard stuff! "Little ole wine drinker him" Deano is once reputed to have said "You're not drunk if you can lie on the floor without holding on" :)[/p][/quote]And "It takes just one drink to get me drunk, but I can't remember whether it's the 17th or the 18th".[/p][/quote]It may have been Deano or Sinatra who said, "You wake up without a hangover and think, is this as good as I'm going to feel all day?[/p][/quote]Deano also said!If you drink,don't drive,in fact don't even putt!!!!!!!!! the don69

7:44pm Thu 15 Nov 12

Swindon1984 says...

mikek wrote:
Its seems this season we are scoring goals from all over the pitch unlike other seasons when we have relied on just two or three players. At the end of the day the end result is the same we win games, yet fans choose to knock Williams and Collins who work their tails of and have been very unlucky not to have scored more goals. Just look at the saves keepers have made and the woodwork that has stopped these two scoring more. Why measure a players worth solely on his goal record, there is more to football than that guys. I feel that if the goals are going in elsewhere then that is good enough for me. I remember fans moaning a few seasons back when we only had 3 players scoring most of the goals.
Agree that a player will bring more to the table than just goals, and shouldn't be judged solely on goal return. Still reckon Collins and Williams will come good for us on that front too.
[quote][p][bold]mikek[/bold] wrote: Its seems this season we are scoring goals from all over the pitch unlike other seasons when we have relied on just two or three players. At the end of the day the end result is the same we win games, yet fans choose to knock Williams and Collins who work their tails of and have been very unlucky not to have scored more goals. Just look at the saves keepers have made and the woodwork that has stopped these two scoring more. Why measure a players worth solely on his goal record, there is more to football than that guys. I feel that if the goals are going in elsewhere then that is good enough for me. I remember fans moaning a few seasons back when we only had 3 players scoring most of the goals.[/p][/quote]Agree that a player will bring more to the table than just goals, and shouldn't be judged solely on goal return. Still reckon Collins and Williams will come good for us on that front too. Swindon1984

7:49pm Thu 15 Nov 12

Mondeaux says...

the don69 wrote:
Mondeaux wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Malkym wrote:
madterrier wrote:
Benson is the only striker we have that can hold the ball up properly and win (and direct) headers. I think he allows other options, such as playing 4-3-3 and accommodating a second striker in the hole - our other strikers struggle to play that role. Obviously against him is his pace (lack of). On Wikipedia, can see that Martin's strike rate is 1 in 4. Also seems to have a drink problem, if the being barred from pubs stuff is correct. http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Chris_Marti n_(footballer_born_1 988) Will be interesting.
Maybe he's related to Dean Martin if he likes a drop of the hard stuff! "Little ole wine drinker him"

Deano is once reputed to have said "You're not drunk if you can lie on the floor without holding on" :)
And "It takes just one drink to get me drunk, but I can't remember whether it's the 17th or the 18th".
It may have been Deano or Sinatra who said, "You wake up without a hangover and think, is this as good as I'm going to feel all day?
Deano also said!If you drink,don't drive,in fact don't even putt!!!!!!!!!
It took me a while to get the golfing thing, as I am with Mark Twain (golf is a good walk spoiled).
[quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mondeaux[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Malkym[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]madterrier[/bold] wrote: Benson is the only striker we have that can hold the ball up properly and win (and direct) headers. I think he allows other options, such as playing 4-3-3 and accommodating a second striker in the hole - our other strikers struggle to play that role. Obviously against him is his pace (lack of). On Wikipedia, can see that Martin's strike rate is 1 in 4. Also seems to have a drink problem, if the being barred from pubs stuff is correct. http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Chris_Marti n_(footballer_born_1 988) Will be interesting.[/p][/quote]Maybe he's related to Dean Martin if he likes a drop of the hard stuff! "Little ole wine drinker him" Deano is once reputed to have said "You're not drunk if you can lie on the floor without holding on" :)[/p][/quote]And "It takes just one drink to get me drunk, but I can't remember whether it's the 17th or the 18th".[/p][/quote]It may have been Deano or Sinatra who said, "You wake up without a hangover and think, is this as good as I'm going to feel all day?[/p][/quote]Deano also said!If you drink,don't drive,in fact don't even putt!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]It took me a while to get the golfing thing, as I am with Mark Twain (golf is a good walk spoiled). Mondeaux

7:57pm Thu 15 Nov 12

Mondeaux says...

Oi Den,

I hope all is well in your world. We haven't jousted much recently. It doesn't meant I don't love you anymore
Oi Den, I hope all is well in your world. We haven't jousted much recently. It doesn't meant I don't love you anymore Mondeaux

8:20pm Thu 15 Nov 12

the don69 says...

Mondeaux wrote:
Oi Den,

I hope all is well in your world. We haven't jousted much recently. It doesn't meant I don't love you anymore
Wrong site Mondeaux!this ain't love match.com LOL!!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Mondeaux[/bold] wrote: Oi Den, I hope all is well in your world. We haven't jousted much recently. It doesn't meant I don't love you anymore[/p][/quote]Wrong site Mondeaux!this ain't love match.com LOL!!!!!!!! the don69

9:27pm Thu 15 Nov 12

mikek says...

Martin scored 23 goals when in Division 1 so that is a very decent record. Still only 24 and wants to play matches and only has 6 months left at Canary land. Brighton in April 2012 were reportedly looking to a 1.2 million deal for Martin in the Daily Mirror. Benson is 33 and has struggled this season and been easily pushed off the ball and heading has been wayward when he has managed to win one.. Great last season but Charlton got rid so may be his level is Div 2 at best now. Shame as he did us proud last season and is a likeable guy but the future for the Di Canio express is the Championship so Benson would not figure past this season and that's a fact. Hollands looks a great capture and box to box player so that really is another decent signing and scores goals also, very good day at the office I say.
Martin scored 23 goals when in Division 1 so that is a very decent record. Still only 24 and wants to play matches and only has 6 months left at Canary land. Brighton in April 2012 were reportedly looking to a 1.2 million deal for Martin in the Daily Mirror. Benson is 33 and has struggled this season and been easily pushed off the ball and heading has been wayward when he has managed to win one.. Great last season but Charlton got rid so may be his level is Div 2 at best now. Shame as he did us proud last season and is a likeable guy but the future for the Di Canio express is the Championship so Benson would not figure past this season and that's a fact. Hollands looks a great capture and box to box player so that really is another decent signing and scores goals also, very good day at the office I say. mikek

12:04pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Swindon1984 says...

mikek wrote:
Martin scored 23 goals when in Division 1 so that is a very decent record. Still only 24 and wants to play matches and only has 6 months left at Canary land. Brighton in April 2012 were reportedly looking to a 1.2 million deal for Martin in the Daily Mirror. Benson is 33 and has struggled this season and been easily pushed off the ball and heading has been wayward when he has managed to win one.. Great last season but Charlton got rid so may be his level is Div 2 at best now. Shame as he did us proud last season and is a likeable guy but the future for the Di Canio express is the Championship so Benson would not figure past this season and that's a fact. Hollands looks a great capture and box to box player so that really is another decent signing and scores goals also, very good day at the office I say.
With you on both - certainly not **** decisions as has been suggested by some of our more pessimistic posters - and before the too new signings had even kicked a ball for us as well! Sure some of our fans try and make it hard for ourselves.
[quote][p][bold]mikek[/bold] wrote: Martin scored 23 goals when in Division 1 so that is a very decent record. Still only 24 and wants to play matches and only has 6 months left at Canary land. Brighton in April 2012 were reportedly looking to a 1.2 million deal for Martin in the Daily Mirror. Benson is 33 and has struggled this season and been easily pushed off the ball and heading has been wayward when he has managed to win one.. Great last season but Charlton got rid so may be his level is Div 2 at best now. Shame as he did us proud last season and is a likeable guy but the future for the Di Canio express is the Championship so Benson would not figure past this season and that's a fact. Hollands looks a great capture and box to box player so that really is another decent signing and scores goals also, very good day at the office I say.[/p][/quote]With you on both - certainly not **** decisions as has been suggested by some of our more pessimistic posters - and before the too new signings had even kicked a ball for us as well! Sure some of our fans try and make it hard for ourselves. Swindon1984

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