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Ferry relishing Douglas reunion

Swindon Advertiser: TOGETHER AGAIN: Simon Ferry will face Jonathan Douglas tonight TOGETHER AGAIN: Simon Ferry will face Jonathan Douglas tonight

SIMON Ferry is looking forward to coming face to face with a former partner in crime when Swindon Town entertain Brentford this evening.

The Scotsman is set to line up against ex-Robins captain Jonathan Douglas, who is now with the Bees after a two-year spell in Wiltshire which took in a League One play-off final and relegation to the bottom tier of the Football League.

Douglas and Ferry produced a formidable partnership in the middle of midfield when Town finished fifth in 2009/10, but the duo were broken up for much of the following campaign to accommodate David Prutton and many fans associate their separation as a major factor behind Swindon’s decline.

Tonight marks the first occasion the old teammates have come up against each other in a competitive environment, and Ferry can’t wait to get involved.

“I’ve not spoke to Dougie for a while but obviously in my first year here he and I played in the middle and I really enjoyed it,” he said.

“It will be good to see him again.

“When I first came I’d not played a game and I played next to Dougie and he did help me quite a lot.

“We had a good partnership and he did help and I enjoyed playing with him.

“I’ve never really played against him so I’m not too sure what will happen but we’ll just have to wait and see how it goes.

“I remember how Dougie plays and I’m sure he’ll remember how I play so it should make for quite an interesting battle.”

Meanwhile, Ferry is keen not to play down Town’s achievements in reaching third place in League One with more than a third of the season gone.

Manager Paolo Di Canio has continually tried to stem expectations in recent weeks but Ferry is happy to think about what might be if everything goes to play for the remainder of the campaign.

“You’ve got to look at it positively, we’re third in the table,” he said. “In the last month our performances have picked up and with the squad of players we’ve got we should be up there.

“I don’t see any reason if we don’t work hard why we shouldn’t be up there.

“Every game feels like it’s going to be massive. We’re nearly halfway through the season and you see in December and January where teams are going to be and what they’re going to be fighting for come the end of the season.

“It’s a crucial period for us and we know that.”

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8:03am Tue 20 Nov 12

old town robin says...

Took a look at their local rag "the Chronicle", Article by Douglas this morning that he has no regrets of leaving us, although he did admit he enjoyed his time here. Blamed the sale of Austin and Paynter for our demise.

He claims he would of stayed, but we never made him an offer. Not the way I remember it being reported. I thought he was not prepared to take a cut like the rest of the greedy bastards that jumped ship after they got us relegated.

He's the stand-in skipper tonight, hope he does the same job for them as he did for us as the captain.
Took a look at their local rag "the Chronicle", Article by Douglas this morning that he has no regrets of leaving us, although he did admit he enjoyed his time here. Blamed the sale of Austin and Paynter for our demise. He claims he would of stayed, but we never made him an offer. Not the way I remember it being reported. I thought he was not prepared to take a cut like the rest of the greedy bastards that jumped ship after they got us relegated. He's the stand-in skipper tonight, hope he does the same job for them as he did for us as the captain. old town robin
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8:23am Tue 20 Nov 12

Oi Den! says...

Trouble is, OTR, none of us knows exactly what went on at the end of that awful season. My guess is that most of them were effectively sacked, i.e. gently assisted to find their way out of the door - Douglas included. Surely if we had wanted to keep him we would have made a better offer than Brentford's? Douglas seems to be named frequently as one of the architects of our poor season and yet many people seemed angry when he left. I would have thought they'd be glad to see the back of him. He's history now, but I think if we had chosen to keep him and PDC had knocked him into shape, we would still have had a very good player on our hands. Look at Ferry - probably playing his best football for us now, and was hopelessly unfit in 2010/11. Overall though, I think the night of the long knives was no bad thing. It did freshen the club up.
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Re captaincy, I think he's done the job quite often this season. Agree he wasn't a good captain for us, but we didn't have one. It's not his fault that he was picked to do it.
Trouble is, OTR, none of us knows exactly what went on at the end of that awful season. My guess is that most of them were effectively sacked, i.e. gently assisted to find their way out of the door - Douglas included. Surely if we had wanted to keep him we would have made a better offer than Brentford's? Douglas seems to be named frequently as one of the architects of our poor season and yet many people seemed angry when he left. I would have thought they'd be glad to see the back of him. He's history now, but I think if we had chosen to keep him and PDC had knocked him into shape, we would still have had a very good player on our hands. Look at Ferry - probably playing his best football for us now, and was hopelessly unfit in 2010/11. Overall though, I think the night of the long knives was no bad thing. It did freshen the club up. . Re captaincy, I think he's done the job quite often this season. Agree he wasn't a good captain for us, but we didn't have one. It's not his fault that he was picked to do it. Oi Den!
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8:28am Tue 20 Nov 12

London Red says...

Yeah I saw that
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Granted losing Austin Paynter and Greer didn't help - but there was enough there still to at least stay up!
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Like the way he ignores HIS and his team mates preference or boozing over football as a MAJOR factor!
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I too remember it being saying he was offered a deal which he had agreed to and would sign on his return from Oz only to then sign for Brentford
Yeah I saw that . Granted losing Austin Paynter and Greer didn't help - but there was enough there still to at least stay up! . Like the way he ignores HIS and his team mates preference or boozing over football as a MAJOR factor! . I too remember it being saying he was offered a deal which he had agreed to and would sign on his return from Oz only to then sign for Brentford London Red
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9:04am Tue 20 Nov 12

Old-Stager, Hilperton says...

My guess is that the lads on the Town End will give him a hostile reception.
In his case I think it would be thoroughly deserved.
My guess is that the lads on the Town End will give him a hostile reception. In his case I think it would be thoroughly deserved. Old-Stager, Hilperton
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9:54am Tue 20 Nov 12

MITTED says...

Douglas' first season, he was superb. Second season he was truly awful and didn't deserve a new contract.
COYR
Douglas' first season, he was superb. Second season he was truly awful and didn't deserve a new contract. COYR MITTED
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11:57am Tue 20 Nov 12

Oi Den! says...

London Red wrote:
Yeah I saw that
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Granted losing Austin Paynter and Greer didn't help - but there was enough there still to at least stay up!
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Like the way he ignores HIS and his team mates preference or boozing over football as a MAJOR factor!
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I too remember it being saying he was offered a deal which he had agreed to and would sign on his return from Oz only to then sign for Brentford
"There was enough there to at least stay up".
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No there wasn't LR. That's why we even finished below a team that had a 10 point penalty. All the way through that season, you wouldn't accept that we were a weak outfit, even though it was there for all to see. And even an abysmal relegation didn't convince you. You are kidding yourself if you think a team can lose - and not replace - players with the strength of Paynter, Greer, Austin and Ward (yes, I know he was only on loan to us) and still hope to compete. Every single one of those 4 players was a leader for us in his own way. By the time January came round, the only one left was Austin - trying to keep the ship afloat on his own. Pericard, O'Brien, Dossevi, Prutton...... How did we fail to stay up, eh?!
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Even though we were quite obviously a rudderless rabble, apparently after each defeat Wilson would say to Fitton "Don't worry Mr Chairman, we'll win the next two games." A bit like your predictions after each defeat!
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I know you are passionate about the Town LR. I'm not trying to ridicule you, and I do admire your optimism, but I also think you are often very naive in your outlook. It comes through in your comments about players, managers and referees. Other clubs' players and managers are always in the wrong; ours never are. We are often the victims of bad refereeing; other clubs rarely are. I am sure there are fans at other clubs who say exactly the same things. They are wrong as well. It's a big wide football world and we all have to take the ups and downs that come with being a football fan. Of course we are all biased in favour of our teams. But it gets a bit silly when the bias takes over from reality.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Yeah I saw that . Granted losing Austin Paynter and Greer didn't help - but there was enough there still to at least stay up! . Like the way he ignores HIS and his team mates preference or boozing over football as a MAJOR factor! . I too remember it being saying he was offered a deal which he had agreed to and would sign on his return from Oz only to then sign for Brentford[/p][/quote]"There was enough there to at least stay up". . No there wasn't LR. That's why we even finished below a team that had a 10 point penalty. All the way through that season, you wouldn't accept that we were a weak outfit, even though it was there for all to see. And even an abysmal relegation didn't convince you. You are kidding yourself if you think a team can lose - and not replace - players with the strength of Paynter, Greer, Austin and Ward (yes, I know he was only on loan to us) and still hope to compete. Every single one of those 4 players was a leader for us in his own way. By the time January came round, the only one left was Austin - trying to keep the ship afloat on his own. Pericard, O'Brien, Dossevi, Prutton...... How did we fail to stay up, eh?! . Even though we were quite obviously a rudderless rabble, apparently after each defeat Wilson would say to Fitton "Don't worry Mr Chairman, we'll win the next two games." A bit like your predictions after each defeat! . I know you are passionate about the Town LR. I'm not trying to ridicule you, and I do admire your optimism, but I also think you are often very naive in your outlook. It comes through in your comments about players, managers and referees. Other clubs' players and managers are always in the wrong; ours never are. We are often the victims of bad refereeing; other clubs rarely are. I am sure there are fans at other clubs who say exactly the same things. They are wrong as well. It's a big wide football world and we all have to take the ups and downs that come with being a football fan. Of course we are all biased in favour of our teams. But it gets a bit silly when the bias takes over from reality. Oi Den!
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12:31pm Tue 20 Nov 12

Swindon1984 says...

Oi Den! wrote:
London Red wrote: Yeah I saw that . Granted losing Austin Paynter and Greer didn't help - but there was enough there still to at least stay up! . Like the way he ignores HIS and his team mates preference or boozing over football as a MAJOR factor! . I too remember it being saying he was offered a deal which he had agreed to and would sign on his return from Oz only to then sign for Brentford
"There was enough there to at least stay up". . No there wasn't LR. That's why we even finished below a team that had a 10 point penalty. All the way through that season, you wouldn't accept that we were a weak outfit, even though it was there for all to see. And even an abysmal relegation didn't convince you. You are kidding yourself if you think a team can lose - and not replace - players with the strength of Paynter, Greer, Austin and Ward (yes, I know he was only on loan to us) and still hope to compete. Every single one of those 4 players was a leader for us in his own way. By the time January came round, the only one left was Austin - trying to keep the ship afloat on his own. Pericard, O'Brien, Dossevi, Prutton...... How did we fail to stay up, eh?! . Even though we were quite obviously a rudderless rabble, apparently after each defeat Wilson would say to Fitton "Don't worry Mr Chairman, we'll win the next two games." A bit like your predictions after each defeat! . I know you are passionate about the Town LR. I'm not trying to ridicule you, and I do admire your optimism, but I also think you are often very naive in your outlook. It comes through in your comments about players, managers and referees. Other clubs' players and managers are always in the wrong; ours never are. We are often the victims of bad refereeing; other clubs rarely are. I am sure there are fans at other clubs who say exactly the same things. They are wrong as well. It's a big wide football world and we all have to take the ups and downs that come with being a football fan. Of course we are all biased in favour of our teams. But it gets a bit silly when the bias takes over from reality.
Bottom line as I see it for that season - we lost key players who were never replaced, we lacked leadership, and there should have been some kind of intervention to turn things around much earlier than there was - as it stood Hart might have kept us up if he'd stepped in earlier (based on the results from his time in charge - may have kept up a club which was sailing a bit close to the wind as opposed to truly scuppered) but then we may have ended up with him as a permanent boss, and no-one aside from possibly Paul Hart would've wanted that. Ancient history now anyway, hope Douglas doesn't get too much stick as it's never nice to see. Would only demonstrate that we still think he's worth talking about at this point.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Yeah I saw that . Granted losing Austin Paynter and Greer didn't help - but there was enough there still to at least stay up! . Like the way he ignores HIS and his team mates preference or boozing over football as a MAJOR factor! . I too remember it being saying he was offered a deal which he had agreed to and would sign on his return from Oz only to then sign for Brentford[/p][/quote]"There was enough there to at least stay up". . No there wasn't LR. That's why we even finished below a team that had a 10 point penalty. All the way through that season, you wouldn't accept that we were a weak outfit, even though it was there for all to see. And even an abysmal relegation didn't convince you. You are kidding yourself if you think a team can lose - and not replace - players with the strength of Paynter, Greer, Austin and Ward (yes, I know he was only on loan to us) and still hope to compete. Every single one of those 4 players was a leader for us in his own way. By the time January came round, the only one left was Austin - trying to keep the ship afloat on his own. Pericard, O'Brien, Dossevi, Prutton...... How did we fail to stay up, eh?! . Even though we were quite obviously a rudderless rabble, apparently after each defeat Wilson would say to Fitton "Don't worry Mr Chairman, we'll win the next two games." A bit like your predictions after each defeat! . I know you are passionate about the Town LR. I'm not trying to ridicule you, and I do admire your optimism, but I also think you are often very naive in your outlook. It comes through in your comments about players, managers and referees. Other clubs' players and managers are always in the wrong; ours never are. We are often the victims of bad refereeing; other clubs rarely are. I am sure there are fans at other clubs who say exactly the same things. They are wrong as well. It's a big wide football world and we all have to take the ups and downs that come with being a football fan. Of course we are all biased in favour of our teams. But it gets a bit silly when the bias takes over from reality.[/p][/quote]Bottom line as I see it for that season - we lost key players who were never replaced, we lacked leadership, and there should have been some kind of intervention to turn things around much earlier than there was - as it stood Hart might have kept us up if he'd stepped in earlier (based on the results from his time in charge - may have kept up a club which was sailing a bit close to the wind as opposed to truly scuppered) but then we may have ended up with him as a permanent boss, and no-one aside from possibly Paul Hart would've wanted that. Ancient history now anyway, hope Douglas doesn't get too much stick as it's never nice to see. Would only demonstrate that we still think he's worth talking about at this point. Swindon1984
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12:50pm Tue 20 Nov 12

topsecret says...

Old-Stager, Hilperton wrote:
My guess is that the lads on the Town End will give him a hostile reception.
In his case I think it would be thoroughly deserved.
i agree , i remember his arrogance and sarcastic applause of paul hart in one of the final games knowing the fans would blame the manager rather than the non performance of the players .And although im no fan of hart , i think he was totally let down by that shower of a team with douglas being the worst example.
[quote][p][bold]Old-Stager, Hilperton[/bold] wrote: My guess is that the lads on the Town End will give him a hostile reception. In his case I think it would be thoroughly deserved.[/p][/quote]i agree , i remember his arrogance and sarcastic applause of paul hart in one of the final games knowing the fans would blame the manager rather than the non performance of the players .And although im no fan of hart , i think he was totally let down by that shower of a team with douglas being the worst example. topsecret
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1:27pm Tue 20 Nov 12

sadgit says...

No reply from LR yet Den.
Methinks you've hurt his feelings!
No reply from LR yet Den. Methinks you've hurt his feelings! sadgit
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1:35pm Tue 20 Nov 12

Ginger-nutz says...

Oi Den! wrote:
London Red wrote: Yeah I saw that . Granted losing Austin Paynter and Greer didn't help - but there was enough there still to at least stay up! . Like the way he ignores HIS and his team mates preference or boozing over football as a MAJOR factor! . I too remember it being saying he was offered a deal which he had agreed to and would sign on his return from Oz only to then sign for Brentford
"There was enough there to at least stay up". . No there wasn't LR. That's why we even finished below a team that had a 10 point penalty. All the way through that season, you wouldn't accept that we were a weak outfit, even though it was there for all to see. And even an abysmal relegation didn't convince you. You are kidding yourself if you think a team can lose - and not replace - players with the strength of Paynter, Greer, Austin and Ward (yes, I know he was only on loan to us) and still hope to compete. Every single one of those 4 players was a leader for us in his own way. By the time January came round, the only one left was Austin - trying to keep the ship afloat on his own. Pericard, O'Brien, Dossevi, Prutton...... How did we fail to stay up, eh?! . Even though we were quite obviously a rudderless rabble, apparently after each defeat Wilson would say to Fitton "Don't worry Mr Chairman, we'll win the next two games." A bit like your predictions after each defeat! . I know you are passionate about the Town LR. I'm not trying to ridicule you, and I do admire your optimism, but I also think you are often very naive in your outlook. It comes through in your comments about players, managers and referees. Other clubs' players and managers are always in the wrong; ours never are. We are often the victims of bad refereeing; other clubs rarely are. I am sure there are fans at other clubs who say exactly the same things. They are wrong as well. It's a big wide football world and we all have to take the ups and downs that come with being a football fan. Of course we are all biased in favour of our teams. But it gets a bit silly when the bias takes over from reality.
Hi Guys,
I've been away for some time now, but just switched back on to a terrific post from my old friend Den :-)
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Nothing changes on here guys, and I also admire LR's optimism and enthusiasm.

They do say that love is blind, but I prefer Den's harsh reality in the cold light of day....
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Onwards and upwards for another win tonight.....
.
And where's Grim when you need someone to make you smile??
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Yeah I saw that . Granted losing Austin Paynter and Greer didn't help - but there was enough there still to at least stay up! . Like the way he ignores HIS and his team mates preference or boozing over football as a MAJOR factor! . I too remember it being saying he was offered a deal which he had agreed to and would sign on his return from Oz only to then sign for Brentford[/p][/quote]"There was enough there to at least stay up". . No there wasn't LR. That's why we even finished below a team that had a 10 point penalty. All the way through that season, you wouldn't accept that we were a weak outfit, even though it was there for all to see. And even an abysmal relegation didn't convince you. You are kidding yourself if you think a team can lose - and not replace - players with the strength of Paynter, Greer, Austin and Ward (yes, I know he was only on loan to us) and still hope to compete. Every single one of those 4 players was a leader for us in his own way. By the time January came round, the only one left was Austin - trying to keep the ship afloat on his own. Pericard, O'Brien, Dossevi, Prutton...... How did we fail to stay up, eh?! . Even though we were quite obviously a rudderless rabble, apparently after each defeat Wilson would say to Fitton "Don't worry Mr Chairman, we'll win the next two games." A bit like your predictions after each defeat! . I know you are passionate about the Town LR. I'm not trying to ridicule you, and I do admire your optimism, but I also think you are often very naive in your outlook. It comes through in your comments about players, managers and referees. Other clubs' players and managers are always in the wrong; ours never are. We are often the victims of bad refereeing; other clubs rarely are. I am sure there are fans at other clubs who say exactly the same things. They are wrong as well. It's a big wide football world and we all have to take the ups and downs that come with being a football fan. Of course we are all biased in favour of our teams. But it gets a bit silly when the bias takes over from reality.[/p][/quote]Hi Guys, I've been away for some time now, but just switched back on to a terrific post from my old friend Den :-) . Nothing changes on here guys, and I also admire LR's optimism and enthusiasm. They do say that love is blind, but I prefer Den's harsh reality in the cold light of day.... . Onwards and upwards for another win tonight..... . And where's Grim when you need someone to make you smile?? Ginger-nutz
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1:37pm Tue 20 Nov 12

Oi Den! says...

'84, if anyone had stepped in earlier and kept us up, I think we would all have been happy. We would have been looking at things from an entirely different perspective from where we are now. Perhaps relegation was the medicine we had to take in order for the club to get healthy again, but anyone who might have saved us from the drop would have been lauded at the time - and we would not be downhearted at missing out on PDC because nobody would ever have thought about him as a potential Town manager at that point.
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In the end, it wasn't even about Wilson's ineffective management. It was about players or, more accurately, lack of them. And we changed the manager when it was too late to change the players. I remember Fitton saying during that season "We can't put our finger on why we are not getting results". Therein lay the problem. The manager had allowed the break-up of a strong team and neither he nor his chairman could see that the remaining players were incapable of forming a strong team.
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I still don't know what to think about the alleged drinking. Yes, I'm sure they were seen out in Old Town etc. That in itself is hardly a hanging offence. I'm sure they were out in Old Town during the previous season, when we were riding high. I don't remember any complaints about it then. Of course they have to take their share of responsibility for their condition on a matchday, but the club should also have been doing its bit on that front.
'84, if anyone had stepped in earlier and kept us up, I think we would all have been happy. We would have been looking at things from an entirely different perspective from where we are now. Perhaps relegation was the medicine we had to take in order for the club to get healthy again, but anyone who might have saved us from the drop would have been lauded at the time - and we would not be downhearted at missing out on PDC because nobody would ever have thought about him as a potential Town manager at that point. . In the end, it wasn't even about Wilson's ineffective management. It was about players or, more accurately, lack of them. And we changed the manager when it was too late to change the players. I remember Fitton saying during that season "We can't put our finger on why we are not getting results". Therein lay the problem. The manager had allowed the break-up of a strong team and neither he nor his chairman could see that the remaining players were incapable of forming a strong team. . I still don't know what to think about the alleged drinking. Yes, I'm sure they were seen out in Old Town etc. That in itself is hardly a hanging offence. I'm sure they were out in Old Town during the previous season, when we were riding high. I don't remember any complaints about it then. Of course they have to take their share of responsibility for their condition on a matchday, but the club should also have been doing its bit on that front. Oi Den!
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2:40pm Tue 20 Nov 12

smirg kcab says...

Ginger-nutz wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
London Red wrote: Yeah I saw that . Granted losing Austin Paynter and Greer didn't help - but there was enough there still to at least stay up! . Like the way he ignores HIS and his team mates preference or boozing over football as a MAJOR factor! . I too remember it being saying he was offered a deal which he had agreed to and would sign on his return from Oz only to then sign for Brentford
"There was enough there to at least stay up". . No there wasn't LR. That's why we even finished below a team that had a 10 point penalty. All the way through that season, you wouldn't accept that we were a weak outfit, even though it was there for all to see. And even an abysmal relegation didn't convince you. You are kidding yourself if you think a team can lose - and not replace - players with the strength of Paynter, Greer, Austin and Ward (yes, I know he was only on loan to us) and still hope to compete. Every single one of those 4 players was a leader for us in his own way. By the time January came round, the only one left was Austin - trying to keep the ship afloat on his own. Pericard, O'Brien, Dossevi, Prutton...... How did we fail to stay up, eh?! . Even though we were quite obviously a rudderless rabble, apparently after each defeat Wilson would say to Fitton "Don't worry Mr Chairman, we'll win the next two games." A bit like your predictions after each defeat! . I know you are passionate about the Town LR. I'm not trying to ridicule you, and I do admire your optimism, but I also think you are often very naive in your outlook. It comes through in your comments about players, managers and referees. Other clubs' players and managers are always in the wrong; ours never are. We are often the victims of bad refereeing; other clubs rarely are. I am sure there are fans at other clubs who say exactly the same things. They are wrong as well. It's a big wide football world and we all have to take the ups and downs that come with being a football fan. Of course we are all biased in favour of our teams. But it gets a bit silly when the bias takes over from reality.
Hi Guys,
I've been away for some time now, but just switched back on to a terrific post from my old friend Den :-)
.
Nothing changes on here guys, and I also admire LR's optimism and enthusiasm.

They do say that love is blind, but I prefer Den's harsh reality in the cold light of day....
.
Onwards and upwards for another win tonight.....
.
And where's Grim when you need someone to make you smile??
Hi g/n welcome back to the best forum on earth,
The rain is falling,
London red still thinks we should have stayed up, fallon and Parkin were better than Charlie boy.
Collins will score over 20.
Douglas is still a greedy twaat
Oi den had a hormonal day last week.
I started the rumour pdc was going to the saints which sky promptly made him 4/5 favourite for the job.(even sky reads this forum lol).
About four of us has had a good wedge on us to win the league.
I've only missed 3 games home and away all season.
Pdc is slating players (rightly deserved).
We had an embargo and now out of it.
We still have signed some Shiit players(and good ones).
Onwards and upwards
[quote][p][bold]Ginger-nutz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Yeah I saw that . Granted losing Austin Paynter and Greer didn't help - but there was enough there still to at least stay up! . Like the way he ignores HIS and his team mates preference or boozing over football as a MAJOR factor! . I too remember it being saying he was offered a deal which he had agreed to and would sign on his return from Oz only to then sign for Brentford[/p][/quote]"There was enough there to at least stay up". . No there wasn't LR. That's why we even finished below a team that had a 10 point penalty. All the way through that season, you wouldn't accept that we were a weak outfit, even though it was there for all to see. And even an abysmal relegation didn't convince you. You are kidding yourself if you think a team can lose - and not replace - players with the strength of Paynter, Greer, Austin and Ward (yes, I know he was only on loan to us) and still hope to compete. Every single one of those 4 players was a leader for us in his own way. By the time January came round, the only one left was Austin - trying to keep the ship afloat on his own. Pericard, O'Brien, Dossevi, Prutton...... How did we fail to stay up, eh?! . Even though we were quite obviously a rudderless rabble, apparently after each defeat Wilson would say to Fitton "Don't worry Mr Chairman, we'll win the next two games." A bit like your predictions after each defeat! . I know you are passionate about the Town LR. I'm not trying to ridicule you, and I do admire your optimism, but I also think you are often very naive in your outlook. It comes through in your comments about players, managers and referees. Other clubs' players and managers are always in the wrong; ours never are. We are often the victims of bad refereeing; other clubs rarely are. I am sure there are fans at other clubs who say exactly the same things. They are wrong as well. It's a big wide football world and we all have to take the ups and downs that come with being a football fan. Of course we are all biased in favour of our teams. But it gets a bit silly when the bias takes over from reality.[/p][/quote]Hi Guys, I've been away for some time now, but just switched back on to a terrific post from my old friend Den :-) . Nothing changes on here guys, and I also admire LR's optimism and enthusiasm. They do say that love is blind, but I prefer Den's harsh reality in the cold light of day.... . Onwards and upwards for another win tonight..... . And where's Grim when you need someone to make you smile??[/p][/quote]Hi g/n welcome back to the best forum on earth, The rain is falling, London red still thinks we should have stayed up, fallon and Parkin were better than Charlie boy. Collins will score over 20. Douglas is still a greedy twaat Oi den had a hormonal day last week. I started the rumour pdc was going to the saints which sky promptly made him 4/5 favourite for the job.(even sky reads this forum lol). About four of us has had a good wedge on us to win the league. I've only missed 3 games home and away all season. Pdc is slating players (rightly deserved). We had an embargo and now out of it. We still have signed some Shiit players(and good ones). Onwards and upwards smirg kcab
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4:53pm Tue 20 Nov 12

Swindon1984 says...

Oi Den! wrote:
'84, if anyone had stepped in earlier and kept us up, I think we would all have been happy. We would have been looking at things from an entirely different perspective from where we are now. Perhaps relegation was the medicine we had to take in order for the club to get healthy again, but anyone who might have saved us from the drop would have been lauded at the time - and we would not be downhearted at missing out on PDC because nobody would ever have thought about him as a potential Town manager at that point. . In the end, it wasn't even about Wilson's ineffective management. It was about players or, more accurately, lack of them. And we changed the manager when it was too late to change the players. I remember Fitton saying during that season "We can't put our finger on why we are not getting results". Therein lay the problem. The manager had allowed the break-up of a strong team and neither he nor his chairman could see that the remaining players were incapable of forming a strong team. . I still don't know what to think about the alleged drinking. Yes, I'm sure they were seen out in Old Town etc. That in itself is hardly a hanging offence. I'm sure they were out in Old Town during the previous season, when we were riding high. I don't remember any complaints about it then. Of course they have to take their share of responsibility for their condition on a matchday, but the club should also have been doing its bit on that front.
Yep, fair point, just think that it may have worked out for the best in the end (although who's to say as we're still in the same position we are, league table wise, as a couple of years back).

Also agree on the drinking thing - none of us really know the extent of it or what affect it had on the performances, and certainly I'm sure they would have been out "celebrating" the previous year as well. Just harder to stomach when we're not doing so well on the pitch!

Think PDC's certainly brought more discipline on that front now - never underestimate perception amongst one's peers, it's now seen as not the done thing under this regime, whereas previously it may have been unusual not to have gone out on the razz after every game. The manager may have needed to make a couple of sacrifices (getting rid of the bad apples before the whole bunch goes rotten) in order for this to happen.

The players now generally seem to have the right attitude and given our ability to bounce back after bad results/performances under PDC, I can't see us spiralling in the way we did in Wilson's second season.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: '84, if anyone had stepped in earlier and kept us up, I think we would all have been happy. We would have been looking at things from an entirely different perspective from where we are now. Perhaps relegation was the medicine we had to take in order for the club to get healthy again, but anyone who might have saved us from the drop would have been lauded at the time - and we would not be downhearted at missing out on PDC because nobody would ever have thought about him as a potential Town manager at that point. . In the end, it wasn't even about Wilson's ineffective management. It was about players or, more accurately, lack of them. And we changed the manager when it was too late to change the players. I remember Fitton saying during that season "We can't put our finger on why we are not getting results". Therein lay the problem. The manager had allowed the break-up of a strong team and neither he nor his chairman could see that the remaining players were incapable of forming a strong team. . I still don't know what to think about the alleged drinking. Yes, I'm sure they were seen out in Old Town etc. That in itself is hardly a hanging offence. I'm sure they were out in Old Town during the previous season, when we were riding high. I don't remember any complaints about it then. Of course they have to take their share of responsibility for their condition on a matchday, but the club should also have been doing its bit on that front.[/p][/quote]Yep, fair point, just think that it may have worked out for the best in the end (although who's to say as we're still in the same position we are, league table wise, as a couple of years back). Also agree on the drinking thing - none of us really know the extent of it or what affect it had on the performances, and certainly I'm sure they would have been out "celebrating" the previous year as well. Just harder to stomach when we're not doing so well on the pitch! Think PDC's certainly brought more discipline on that front now - never underestimate perception amongst one's peers, it's now seen as not the done thing under this regime, whereas previously it may have been unusual not to have gone out on the razz after every game. The manager may have needed to make a couple of sacrifices (getting rid of the bad apples before the whole bunch goes rotten) in order for this to happen. The players now generally seem to have the right attitude and given our ability to bounce back after bad results/performances under PDC, I can't see us spiralling in the way we did in Wilson's second season. Swindon1984
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5:03pm Tue 20 Nov 12

Oi Den! says...

Agree all that '84. I don't think there's much more than a fag paper between our views on any of the points we've discussed.
Agree all that '84. I don't think there's much more than a fag paper between our views on any of the points we've discussed. Oi Den!
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5:28pm Tue 20 Nov 12

old town robin says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Trouble is, OTR, none of us knows exactly what went on at the end of that awful season. My guess is that most of them were effectively sacked, i.e. gently assisted to find their way out of the door - Douglas included. Surely if we had wanted to keep him we would have made a better offer than Brentford's? Douglas seems to be named frequently as one of the architects of our poor season and yet many people seemed angry when he left. I would have thought they'd be glad to see the back of him. He's history now, but I think if we had chosen to keep him and PDC had knocked him into shape, we would still have had a very good player on our hands. Look at Ferry - probably playing his best football for us now, and was hopelessly unfit in 2010/11. Overall though, I think the night of the long knives was no bad thing. It did freshen the club up.
.
Re captaincy, I think he's done the job quite often this season. Agree he wasn't a good captain for us, but we didn't have one. It's not his fault that he was picked to do it.
Oi Den, I only quoted what he said to the Chronicle and I'm not judgemental of the guy, he was a good player for us and a poor captain which I posted a few times in the season of woe. I thought it was effecting his game having the extra responsibility, Wilson didn't see it any more than he did playing prutton infront of Simon.

What I will stand by and LR backed me up on it, he WAS offered a contract and if I remember correctly Paolo publically said he would be an important player in his plans. It was a done deal and he gave Paolo his word whilst he was still in Italy finalising the arrangements for pre-season. He opted to get on the gravy train to the smoke at the last moment and to be honest I was shocked at the time that he made a u-turn after publically stating he was ready to sign an extension, he was living in Cheltenham and wanted ot keep his family settled I believe and a commute to London as apposed to a 40 minute trip to work, says it all really one greedy ****.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Trouble is, OTR, none of us knows exactly what went on at the end of that awful season. My guess is that most of them were effectively sacked, i.e. gently assisted to find their way out of the door - Douglas included. Surely if we had wanted to keep him we would have made a better offer than Brentford's? Douglas seems to be named frequently as one of the architects of our poor season and yet many people seemed angry when he left. I would have thought they'd be glad to see the back of him. He's history now, but I think if we had chosen to keep him and PDC had knocked him into shape, we would still have had a very good player on our hands. Look at Ferry - probably playing his best football for us now, and was hopelessly unfit in 2010/11. Overall though, I think the night of the long knives was no bad thing. It did freshen the club up. . Re captaincy, I think he's done the job quite often this season. Agree he wasn't a good captain for us, but we didn't have one. It's not his fault that he was picked to do it.[/p][/quote]Oi Den, I only quoted what he said to the Chronicle and I'm not judgemental of the guy, he was a good player for us and a poor captain which I posted a few times in the season of woe. I thought it was effecting his game having the extra responsibility, Wilson didn't see it any more than he did playing prutton infront of Simon. What I will stand by and LR backed me up on it, he WAS offered a contract and if I remember correctly Paolo publically said he would be an important player in his plans. It was a done deal and he gave Paolo his word whilst he was still in Italy finalising the arrangements for pre-season. He opted to get on the gravy train to the smoke at the last moment and to be honest I was shocked at the time that he made a u-turn after publically stating he was ready to sign an extension, he was living in Cheltenham and wanted ot keep his family settled I believe and a commute to London as apposed to a 40 minute trip to work, says it all really one greedy ****. old town robin
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7:12pm Tue 20 Nov 12

Ginger-nutz says...

smirg kcab wrote:
Ginger-nutz wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
London Red wrote: Yeah I saw that . Granted losing Austin Paynter and Greer didn't help - but there was enough there still to at least stay up! . Like the way he ignores HIS and his team mates preference or boozing over football as a MAJOR factor! . I too remember it being saying he was offered a deal which he had agreed to and would sign on his return from Oz only to then sign for Brentford
"There was enough there to at least stay up". . No there wasn't LR. That's why we even finished below a team that had a 10 point penalty. All the way through that season, you wouldn't accept that we were a weak outfit, even though it was there for all to see. And even an abysmal relegation didn't convince you. You are kidding yourself if you think a team can lose - and not replace - players with the strength of Paynter, Greer, Austin and Ward (yes, I know he was only on loan to us) and still hope to compete. Every single one of those 4 players was a leader for us in his own way. By the time January came round, the only one left was Austin - trying to keep the ship afloat on his own. Pericard, O'Brien, Dossevi, Prutton...... How did we fail to stay up, eh?! . Even though we were quite obviously a rudderless rabble, apparently after each defeat Wilson would say to Fitton "Don't worry Mr Chairman, we'll win the next two games." A bit like your predictions after each defeat! . I know you are passionate about the Town LR. I'm not trying to ridicule you, and I do admire your optimism, but I also think you are often very naive in your outlook. It comes through in your comments about players, managers and referees. Other clubs' players and managers are always in the wrong; ours never are. We are often the victims of bad refereeing; other clubs rarely are. I am sure there are fans at other clubs who say exactly the same things. They are wrong as well. It's a big wide football world and we all have to take the ups and downs that come with being a football fan. Of course we are all biased in favour of our teams. But it gets a bit silly when the bias takes over from reality.
Hi Guys,
I've been away for some time now, but just switched back on to a terrific post from my old friend Den :-)
.
Nothing changes on here guys, and I also admire LR's optimism and enthusiasm.

They do say that love is blind, but I prefer Den's harsh reality in the cold light of day....
.
Onwards and upwards for another win tonight.....
.
And where's Grim when you need someone to make you smile??
Hi g/n welcome back to the best forum on earth,
The rain is falling,
London red still thinks we should have stayed up, fallon and Parkin were better than Charlie boy.
Collins will score over 20.
Douglas is still a greedy twaat
Oi den had a hormonal day last week.
I started the rumour pdc was going to the saints which sky promptly made him 4/5 favourite for the job.(even sky reads this forum lol).
About four of us has had a good wedge on us to win the league.
I've only missed 3 games home and away all season.
Pdc is slating players (rightly deserved).
We had an embargo and now out of it.
We still have signed some Shiit players(and good ones).
Onwards and upwards
Cheers for the update mate :-)
.
Very well summarised in good wording that we can both relate to..... No bullshiit! :-)
.
Hope your keeping well buddy? And great to see that people are still taking your predictions seriously....
.
For what it's worth, I also threw £50 at town to win the league this season....
.
And if the board back pdc in January, then I think it's still on the cards....
.
It's amazing how strikers can start scoring goals again when paolo is able to freshen things up with a few new faces ;-)
.
Onwards and still upwards I say....
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger-nutz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Yeah I saw that . Granted losing Austin Paynter and Greer didn't help - but there was enough there still to at least stay up! . Like the way he ignores HIS and his team mates preference or boozing over football as a MAJOR factor! . I too remember it being saying he was offered a deal which he had agreed to and would sign on his return from Oz only to then sign for Brentford[/p][/quote]"There was enough there to at least stay up". . No there wasn't LR. That's why we even finished below a team that had a 10 point penalty. All the way through that season, you wouldn't accept that we were a weak outfit, even though it was there for all to see. And even an abysmal relegation didn't convince you. You are kidding yourself if you think a team can lose - and not replace - players with the strength of Paynter, Greer, Austin and Ward (yes, I know he was only on loan to us) and still hope to compete. Every single one of those 4 players was a leader for us in his own way. By the time January came round, the only one left was Austin - trying to keep the ship afloat on his own. Pericard, O'Brien, Dossevi, Prutton...... How did we fail to stay up, eh?! . Even though we were quite obviously a rudderless rabble, apparently after each defeat Wilson would say to Fitton "Don't worry Mr Chairman, we'll win the next two games." A bit like your predictions after each defeat! . I know you are passionate about the Town LR. I'm not trying to ridicule you, and I do admire your optimism, but I also think you are often very naive in your outlook. It comes through in your comments about players, managers and referees. Other clubs' players and managers are always in the wrong; ours never are. We are often the victims of bad refereeing; other clubs rarely are. I am sure there are fans at other clubs who say exactly the same things. They are wrong as well. It's a big wide football world and we all have to take the ups and downs that come with being a football fan. Of course we are all biased in favour of our teams. But it gets a bit silly when the bias takes over from reality.[/p][/quote]Hi Guys, I've been away for some time now, but just switched back on to a terrific post from my old friend Den :-) . Nothing changes on here guys, and I also admire LR's optimism and enthusiasm. They do say that love is blind, but I prefer Den's harsh reality in the cold light of day.... . Onwards and upwards for another win tonight..... . And where's Grim when you need someone to make you smile??[/p][/quote]Hi g/n welcome back to the best forum on earth, The rain is falling, London red still thinks we should have stayed up, fallon and Parkin were better than Charlie boy. Collins will score over 20. Douglas is still a greedy twaat Oi den had a hormonal day last week. I started the rumour pdc was going to the saints which sky promptly made him 4/5 favourite for the job.(even sky reads this forum lol). About four of us has had a good wedge on us to win the league. I've only missed 3 games home and away all season. Pdc is slating players (rightly deserved). We had an embargo and now out of it. We still have signed some Shiit players(and good ones). Onwards and upwards[/p][/quote]Cheers for the update mate :-) . Very well summarised in good wording that we can both relate to..... No bullshiit! :-) . Hope your keeping well buddy? And great to see that people are still taking your predictions seriously.... . For what it's worth, I also threw £50 at town to win the league this season.... . And if the board back pdc in January, then I think it's still on the cards.... . It's amazing how strikers can start scoring goals again when paolo is able to freshen things up with a few new faces ;-) . Onwards and still upwards I say.... Ginger-nutz
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12:03am Wed 21 Nov 12

Oi Den! says...

old town robin wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Trouble is, OTR, none of us knows exactly what went on at the end of that awful season. My guess is that most of them were effectively sacked, i.e. gently assisted to find their way out of the door - Douglas included. Surely if we had wanted to keep him we would have made a better offer than Brentford's? Douglas seems to be named frequently as one of the architects of our poor season and yet many people seemed angry when he left. I would have thought they'd be glad to see the back of him. He's history now, but I think if we had chosen to keep him and PDC had knocked him into shape, we would still have had a very good player on our hands. Look at Ferry - probably playing his best football for us now, and was hopelessly unfit in 2010/11. Overall though, I think the night of the long knives was no bad thing. It did freshen the club up.
.
Re captaincy, I think he's done the job quite often this season. Agree he wasn't a good captain for us, but we didn't have one. It's not his fault that he was picked to do it.
Oi Den, I only quoted what he said to the Chronicle and I'm not judgemental of the guy, he was a good player for us and a poor captain which I posted a few times in the season of woe. I thought it was effecting his game having the extra responsibility, Wilson didn't see it any more than he did playing prutton infront of Simon.

What I will stand by and LR backed me up on it, he WAS offered a contract and if I remember correctly Paolo publically said he would be an important player in his plans. It was a done deal and he gave Paolo his word whilst he was still in Italy finalising the arrangements for pre-season. He opted to get on the gravy train to the smoke at the last moment and to be honest I was shocked at the time that he made a u-turn after publically stating he was ready to sign an extension, he was living in Cheltenham and wanted ot keep his family settled I believe and a commute to London as apposed to a 40 minute trip to work, says it all really one greedy ****.
OTR, if all that is true, then you will not get any argument from me. But what I remember of it was that we got snippets of hearsay rather than any hard facts. You may well be right of course. But didn't Douglas join us in the same circumstances as you describe, i.e. Leeds offered him a deal, we offered him a better one and he joined the gravy train to Swindon? We all seemed to be quite pleased that he was a greedy bast*rd then.
[quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Trouble is, OTR, none of us knows exactly what went on at the end of that awful season. My guess is that most of them were effectively sacked, i.e. gently assisted to find their way out of the door - Douglas included. Surely if we had wanted to keep him we would have made a better offer than Brentford's? Douglas seems to be named frequently as one of the architects of our poor season and yet many people seemed angry when he left. I would have thought they'd be glad to see the back of him. He's history now, but I think if we had chosen to keep him and PDC had knocked him into shape, we would still have had a very good player on our hands. Look at Ferry - probably playing his best football for us now, and was hopelessly unfit in 2010/11. Overall though, I think the night of the long knives was no bad thing. It did freshen the club up. . Re captaincy, I think he's done the job quite often this season. Agree he wasn't a good captain for us, but we didn't have one. It's not his fault that he was picked to do it.[/p][/quote]Oi Den, I only quoted what he said to the Chronicle and I'm not judgemental of the guy, he was a good player for us and a poor captain which I posted a few times in the season of woe. I thought it was effecting his game having the extra responsibility, Wilson didn't see it any more than he did playing prutton infront of Simon. What I will stand by and LR backed me up on it, he WAS offered a contract and if I remember correctly Paolo publically said he would be an important player in his plans. It was a done deal and he gave Paolo his word whilst he was still in Italy finalising the arrangements for pre-season. He opted to get on the gravy train to the smoke at the last moment and to be honest I was shocked at the time that he made a u-turn after publically stating he was ready to sign an extension, he was living in Cheltenham and wanted ot keep his family settled I believe and a commute to London as apposed to a 40 minute trip to work, says it all really one greedy ****.[/p][/quote]OTR, if all that is true, then you will not get any argument from me. But what I remember of it was that we got snippets of hearsay rather than any hard facts. You may well be right of course. But didn't Douglas join us in the same circumstances as you describe, i.e. Leeds offered him a deal, we offered him a better one and he joined the gravy train to Swindon? We all seemed to be quite pleased that he was a greedy bast*rd then. Oi Den!
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