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  • REPORTING BY SAM MORSHEAD & ANDY WARREN
  • FULL-TIME: Swindon Town 0 Brentford 1 (Donaldson 59)
  • Three changes for Town, with Thompson, Hollands and Martin in for McCormack, Bostock and Williams
  • Robins looking for third straight win, Bees unbeaten in six

10:29pm

That's it from us tonight, ladies and gents. Another evening to forget at the County Ground.

Clayton Donaldson's second-half strike handed Brentford all three points in their 1-0 win but Swindon remain sixth in League One.

The Robins have now won just four of 10 home league games this season.

Next up is a trip to Meadow Lane to face Notts County on Saturday. We'll see you all there.

For now, goodnight.

10:29pm

Defender Jay McEveley always knew how Brentford would set up at the County Ground this evening, and admitted his side struggled to break the Bees down.

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JAY McEVELEY

“It was a difficult game and you could tell it would just be one goal either way.

“We knew their game plan and how they play, and they got their goal and then it was hard for us to break them down.

“I can’t put my finger on what happened, but it is very hard because we were full of confidence and we need to get ourselves up.

“They all seem to be tight 1-0 losses and it is a lack of concentration which costs us.

“We missed a few chances and they didn’t go in, but we have to pick ourselves up again.

“We have felt good as a back four unit, and we have spoke together and felt we were quite solid.

“It was a slip and lapse in concentration by not tracking the flick-on, and there is no excuse for that because we practice it every day.

“If we put the performances in like we can do for 90 minutes, and if we do that we will be unlucky not to get anything out of the games.”

10:25pm

Midfielder Danny Hollands made his first start for Town this evening, and believes Swindon just struggled to take their chances.

Swindon Advertiser: Danny Hollands celebrates after his goal. PICTURES BY EDMUND BOYDEN.

DANNY HOLLANDS

“It is tough, but apart from their goal I can’t remember any clear-cut chances.

“We had some that didn’t fall for us, and when we went behind we perhaps went a bit long and a bit direct.

“A few things didn’t drop for us, and when things like that happen you know it is not going to be your night.

“They came with a game plan and the two central midfielder did a good job and screened the forwards.

“Maybe they came for a point, I don’t know, but we need to put it right.

“It is nice to get a full 90 minutes although the result wasn’t great.

“Saturday is a big game and Notts County is a tough task, but if we go there in the right frame of mind we have a chance.

“Every game is tough, and maybe we didn’t deserve to lose today, but we did, and we need to pick ourselves up.

“You need to win your home games if you want to do anything in this league.”

10:18pm

There are two days left before the closure of the loan window, and Di Canio is in the market for one more player.

Swindon Advertiser: Swindon Town boss Paolo Di Canio at Stevenage on Saturday

IN THE MARKET: Paolo Di Canio

“I am close but I do not want to talk about this because we lost the game," he said.

“But there is two days left and I want to bring in a specific player in a specific position because I am disappointed in one player.

“I don’t want players who play tippy tappy football but without the heart.”

10:10pm

Di Canio is staying realistic about his side's chances in League One

Swindon Advertiser: ANGER: Paolo Di Canio

REALISTIC: PDC

“The fans can say what they want, but the reality is we come from League Two, have embargo for two months, and we are still in the top eight after 19 games. It is a sort of miracle.

“Hollands and Martin give us options, but even if I knew my players I will not give up because the day we give up I stop to be manager.

“I have to be realistic, this is the level I have got with the ability, touch and brain which is most important.

“In League One every side has three players who have played in the Championship, and they have quality and can take their chances.

“Some of my players who are weak in their mentality go down with their desire, and we have some average players, but we did a good job and we are there.

“Some of them played all the games without breath, and we can lose, but I prefer to lose in a different manner.”

10:01pm

Town manager Paolo Di Canio is speaking to the media.

Swindon Advertiser: A CRITICAL CONDITION: Paolo Di Canio

PAOLO DI CANIO

“I am angry for the simple reason that for without doing something special we were on top of the game, and three or four players of my squad didn’t perform because they have a very average mentality.

“If you are not focused and you are not capable of recharging the battery, you do not go through the chance you created, and then one chance one goal for the opponent.

“Nathan Thompson made a tactical mistake, but I said to him don’t worry because he did his best, and four of my players didn’t do the same.

“This was an opportunity to remain close because you need wood for the chimney because it is cold in the winter period, but it is a shame and it is clear some players were relegated in League One two years ago, and now they are close to play-offs in League One, and I can’t keep improving them more and more.

“We didn’t create a lot straightaway, but in the last 15 minutes of the first half we created chances, and the only team that should win was only Swindon. At the end the result is, you lose.”

“We have players with a snobby attitude sometimes because they win one game and fly away and not recharge, the difference is between us and Brentford is that they take their chance.

“We play attacking football and are not capable of taking our chance because four or five are not ready.”

9:48pm

LEAGUE ONE FULL-TIMES:

Bournemouth 1-1 Stevenage
Carlisle 1-3 Doncaster
Colchester 1-3 Coventry
Crawley 0-1 Yeovil
Hartlepool 1-2 Oldham
Portsmouth 2-3 Leyton Orient
Preston 0-0 Notts County
Scunthorpe 1-2 Bury
Sheff Utd 3-3 Crewe
Shrewsbury 2-2 MK Dons
Swindon 0-1 Brentford
Tranmere 0-0 Walsall

9:42pm

9:40pm

FULL-TIME: Swindon Town 0 Brentford 1 - Donaldson's second half goal wins it.

9:39pm

STOPPAGE TIME: Martin heads over McEveley’s corner. Moore booked for time-wasting. One minute left.

9:35pm

88 minutes: Big, big chance for Town but Martin can only head Ritchie’s cross wide. Five added minutes.

9:34pm

87 minutes: Donaldson slices an effort wide

9:31pm

ATTENDANCE: 7,431 (548 Brentford fans)

9:30pm

83 minutes: Both Darren Ward and Clayton Donaldson booked for dissent.

9:29pm

82 minutes: Sam Saunders free-kick is deflected over the bar.
 

9:27pm

All sorts of nonsense on the touchline as Uwe Rosler throws an extra ball onto the pitch, and when it returns once again from the stands, Di Canio reacts angrily, comes onto the pitch and tries to thump the ball back into the crowd – but misses his kick.

9:24pm

SUBSTITUTION: Sam Saunders replaces Paul Hayes.

9:23pm

75 minutes: The Town defence is exposed as Hayes is clean through on goal after beginning his run inside his own half, but McEveley gets back superbly to tackle.

9:22pm

SUBSTITUTION 74 minutes: Gary Roberts replaced by Adam Rooney.

9:20pm

72 minutes: Gary Roberts outmuscles Shaleum Logan to win the ball, but his final ball is woeful.

9:20pm

SUBSTITUTION: Harry Forrester replaces Scott Barron.

9:18pm

71 minutes: Miles Storey is given the opportunity to open his legs and fly forwards, but his final ball flies high over the bar.

9:13pm

The home fans starting to get a little restless here.

9:11pm

SUBSTITUTION: John Bostock replaces Ferry. McEveley takes the armband.

9:09pm

62 minutes: Ritchie has a shot blocked behind for a corner as Town press for an equaliser.

9:06pm

59 minutes: GOAL 1-0 Brentford (Donaldson) The visiting number nine picks up the ball on the edge of the area and weaves into the box, and fires past Foderingham left footed to give the Bees the lead.

9:05pm

SUBSTITUTION: Miles Storey replaces James Collins.

9:04pm

57 minutes: Forshaw whips a ball into the box and Foderingham does well to punch clear.

9:00pm

53 minutes: Douglas gives the ball straight to Roberts, and the winger fires a pin-point cross along the floor in the six yard area, but no red shirt is there to take advantage.

8:57pm

50 minutes: Douglas gets ahead of himself and has visions of thumping into the back of the net in front of the Town End from 40-yards, but his effort trickles along the floor and out of play.

8:55pm

47 minutes: Ferry’s first attempt at heading Jay McEveley’s pass to Ritchie fails, but after heading straight up in the air he nods it to the winger at the second attempt, although Ritchie’s cross is straight into the arms of Moore.

8:50pm

Underway again

8:48pm

Both teams are back for the start of the second half, doesn't look like any changes.

8:44pm

Town boss Paolo Di Canio has warned Town fans not to expect his side to play like Barcelona, with the slow first half this evening proving his point.

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“In general, not 90 per cent of the fans, some of the fans think now that we have to play like Barcelona.

“They think that we have got Barcelona players. They have to be crazy if they think that. We have very good players, we know this, but we have to also understand the moment.

“Sometimes we decided to play more directly in the last few games because it didn’t work playing from the back like we wanted from the beginning of the season because of injuries, change of players and this is the moment we have to play more directly.

“This doesn’t mean that we play kickball, we play football because we show once the ball is on the ground in the opponent’s half we play not only effective football but attractive football.

“The last few games should finish with seven or eight goals for us, not only three or four. Just in case someone loses the sense of reality I told the people to stick together.

“It’s easy to win 4-1, everybody celebrates, we jump up to the top four but one day we will stay out from the play-offs. I hope not but that would be normal for the future because it’s not easy to remain there for long.”

8:44pm

Like Paolo Di Canio, Uwe Rosler chose to start his English managerial career in the lower leagues rather than going right for the top.

Here, Di Canio explains why he chose to go for a Football League position and why it is so attractive for young foreign managers.

“I don’t know the reasons for his decision but for me it was easy. It was my desire to be a manager in England.

“In Italy, I told you many times, I had a chance to move to a club two leagues above. I decided not to sign the contract because it is different football and I don’t like generally the atmosphere in Italy.

Swindon Advertiser: Paolo Di Canio

PAOLO DI CANIO ARRIVES AT SWINDON

“I thought I would have the chance to be in an environment where I can show my quality and bring success and a new mentality.

“I can improve there and maybe one day reach the top level. It is easy for me because it is the best football in the world, for all reasons - for the tempo, for the atmosphere, for the relationship you can have, everything.

“I love England for many other reasons but the football is something special.

“I presume that he thought like me. If you are a humble person you don’t have to think like that. You have to be realistic.

Swindon Advertiser: Paolo di Canio celebrates another vital win

AND THE TOWN MANAGER HAS ALREADY CELEBRATED PLENTY OF SUCCESS

“If I was in Italy waiting for a Premiership club maybe I would wait 200 years and not get the chance because I didn’t prove anything yet.

“Lots of managers from abroad come in here, even if they decide to start from a low level, to show their football and probably also from my point of view that even if you go into a League Two decide you might only have one pound but you decide how to spend it.

“You build the team. This is the normal way in England. This is the reason. Once you decide to move to England you know you can spend £1, £2, £200, £1million, £2million and you can build the team who have the character and quality to show your football.

“That is a good base to start to show your quality as a manager.”

8:40pm

LEAGUE ONE HALF-TIMES

Bournemouth 0 Stevenage 1; Carlisle 0 Doncaster 2; Colchester 0 Coventry 2; Crawley 0 Yeovil 0; Hartlepool 0 Oldham 1; Portsmouth 0 Leyton Orient 1; Preston 0 Notts County 0; Scunthorpe 0 Bury 1; Sheffield Utd 2 Crewe 2; Shrewsbury 0 MK Dons 1; Swindon 0 Brentford 0; Tranmere 0 Walsall 0.

8:38pm

YOUR SAY

8:00pm Tue 20 Nov 12

joey butler says

Re 'On This Day' 7.09 pm this evening,

''East scored twice in the first half before hitting a hat-trick in 16 minutes during the second period. East remains the only man to have scored five for Town in one game since World War II.''

Sorry Adver Guys, but I think Steve Peplow scored 5 goals in a friendly at Newport???

Of course, all these stats apply to competitive games, as any footballers' career stats show. Friendlies don't count to a career tally.

8:33pm

HALF-TIME: Swindon Town 0 Brentford 0

8:33pm

45 minutes: A superb disguised ball from Hollands sets McEveley free, and after the ball is pulled back to Collins, Moore pulls off a superb one-handed save.

8:32pm

43 minutes: From the corner which followed, Joe Devera flicked the set piece up in the and Martin’s shot at the back post was blocked on the line. The ball comes out to Ritchie but he lashes wide.

8:31pm

42 minutes: Town have their closest effort so far as Martin fires from range and sees his effort clawed behind by Moore.

8:29pm

40 minutes: Collins deflects Ritchie’s cross about 40ft in the air, and after it is turned behind Ritchie’s corner is headed away by Paul Hayes.

8:28pm

39 minutes: Ritchie and Ferry combine down the right, but the latter’s cross is cleared by Craig.

8:24pm

Still pretty scrappy here, with both teams trying to keep hold of the ball but being let down by their final delivery.

8:18pm

29 minutes: Ritchie turns superbly and whips in a right footed cross, which Tony Craig is forced to leather over his own bar – and out of the ground.

8:17pm

YELLOW CARD 28 minutes: Douglas leaves a very late foot in on former teammate Simon Ferry, and receives a yellow card for his troubles.

8:12pm

8:00pm Tue 20 Nov 12

joey butler says

Re 'On This Day' 7.09 pm this evening,

''East scored twice in the first half before hitting a hat-trick in 16 minutes during the second period. East remains the only man to have scored five for Town in one game since World War II.''

Sorry Adver Guys, but I think Steve Peplow scored 5 goals in a friendly at Newport???

That may well be the case, but friendlies don't really count

8:11pm

22 minutes: At the end of another crisp passing move from Town, Hollands chips a nice cross into the box which is stolen off the head of Collins by Tony Craig. Swindon waste the following corner with a short effort.

8:06pm

Town starting to feel their way into this one now, but despite some decent spells of possession, they have not been able to create any chances.

8:03pm

14 minutes: McEveley and Roberts rampage down the left, before James Collins can’t quite bring the winger’s cross under control.

8:01pm

11 minutes: The game’s first effort on goal comes from Clayton Donaldson, but Wes Foderingham is able to palm his 20-yard effort away.

7:59pm

Nine minutes: A combination of Jay McEveley and Danny Hollands bring down Adam Forshaw, and after the ball is laid off by Scott Barron, Forshaw’s shot is blocked by Chris Martin.

7:55pm

Very little in the way of action here in the first eight minutes, and even less in the way of chances.

7:52pm

Conditions looking a little awkward out there. Pitch looks perfect, but is playing a little heavy.

7:50pm

One minute: Visiting keeper Simon Moore hammers a kick out of hand straight out of play.

7:47pm

And we're off!

7:46pm

Former midfield partners Simon Ferry and Jonathan Douglas shake hands and toss the coin, and Town will kick towards the Town End in the first half.

7:43pm

Here come the teams!

7:42pm

Adver chief sports Sam Morshead doesn't win many bets.....

7:41pm

Five minutes until kick-off, and the County Ground is still filling up.

7:39pm

DANGER MEN

Clayton Donaldson

Swindon Advertiser: Ruthless: Clayton Donaldson celebrates his second goal against Crawley Town

The striker has scored goals wherever he has been since his move from Hull to York in 2005, and the same is true of his time with the Bees. The striker is quick and strong and can force his way past defenders with ease if given the time and space, and will need to be watched.

Jonathan Douglas

Swindon Advertiser: Jonathan Douglas parades at the County Ground yesterday

The Irish midfielder needs no introduction to Town fans following his two years in Wiltshire between 2009 and 2011, where he was part of the Swindon side which made the League One play-off final before suffering relegation the following season. If given time and space he can control the midfield, and his former teammate Simon Ferry will be doing his best not to allow him to do that.

Toumani Diagouraga

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The French-born Malian has been impressive since moving to Griffin Park from Peterborough, and has become a mainstay of the midfield alongside Douglas. He likes to control possession and create chances for his teammates, and if he does that, he can be a real threat.

7:36pm

We are currently being entertained by the beautiful voice of Coldplay's Chris Martin, so let's hope the Town striker with the same name can do the business tonight.

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CHRIS MARTIN AND CHRIS MARTIN

7:35pm

With 10 minutes to go until kick-off, here's a quick reminder of how we're allowed to cover games on the Swindon Advertiser website.

Restrictions placed on journalists by Dataco mean we are unable to provide live text commentary. All in-play updates must be subjected to a three-minute delay.

If you are after up-to-the-second updates, log onto Twitter and follow me (@SamMorshead_SA).

Updates will appear on the Adver website but will be on delay.

Stick with us after the game for all the very best reaction to the evening's events.

7:34pm

HISTORY BOOKS

The last time Swindon Town entertained Brentford at the County Ground, Charlie Austin scored in a 1-1 Johnstone’s Paint Trophy stalemate.

Swindon Advertiser: Charlie Austin

CHARLIE AUSTIN

It was at the start of a season which would end with Town being relegated to League Two, and Swindon weren’t even granted a cup reprieve, as the Bees won the ensuing penalty shoot-out 4-2.

Former Adver chief sports writer Anthony Marshall’s match report can be read right here.

7:31pm

Paolo Di Canio believes his players will now fight even harder for their place in his side since the arrival of both Chris Martin and Danny Hollands.

Swindon Advertiser: NO-WIN SITUATION: Town manager Paolo Di Canio

PDC

“We got a better position in the last four games because there was pressure for a bad performance.
“It’s difficult to explain but you understand now what it means to have a situation where everything is okay, no injuruies, you can bring players in and the players in your dressing room know you can bring in players if they don’t fight every single moment for their place.”

7:29pm

YOUR SAY
Good point.

7:29pm

Simon Ferry thinks this year's edition of League One is no easier or tougher than the version three seasons ago which saw Town reach the play-off final.

“It’s still a very tough league. That season had Leeds and Norwich but now you’ve got Coventry who are a big club as well," he said.

Swindon Advertiser: Kyel Reid holds off Simon Ferry

THEN: SIMON FERRY DURING HIS FIRST SEASON IN WILTSHIRE

“It’s still a very tough league to get out of. That year we got to the play-off final it was hard and it’s the same this year.

“I think everyone can beat everyone on their day, there are a lot of good teams and a lot of good players. It’s very similar.

Swindon Advertiser: WINNER: Simon Ferry celebrates his crucial goal at Shrewsbury

NOW: FERRY IN ACTION THIS TERM

“You look at the results each week and everyone is beating everyone so it’s hard.”

7:25pm

FUN FACTS

Former BBC Director General Greg Dyke is a massive Brentford fan and, after playing a major role in saving the club from liquidation six years ago, now serves as chairman.

Swindon Advertiser: Greg Dyke

GREG DYKE

In the late 1990s, chairman Ron Noades made himself manager of the Bees, and he didn’t do too badly either. Noades led the west London outfit to promotion as champions of Division Three in 1999.

Brentford became the first team to win the fourt-tier title under all its guises (Fourth Division, Division Three and League Two) when they were crowned champions in May, 2009.

Brentford’s home ground, Griffin Park, is a particular favourite amongst drinkers as there is a pub on each of the four corners of the stadium. They are the Royal Oak, the New Inn, The Griffin and The Princess Royal, which is owned by the club.

The Griffin was used as the set for a scene in British football-yob thriller Green Street.

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STEVE COPPELL

Steve Coppell is the only Bees manager to ever complete his Brentford career with a win percentage of 50 or higher. Coppell tasted victory in 27 of his 54 games in charge between May 2001 and June 2002.

7:23pm

While Town boss Paolo Di Canio has insisted Town may not be able to maintain their current position, opposite number Uwe Rosler is not surprised to see the Robins where they are.

Swindon Advertiser: Swindon Town boss Paolo Di CanioSwindon Advertiser: Frustrated: Uwe Rosler can't hide his anger during Saturday's FA Cup exit

PAOLO DI CANIO AND UWE ROSLER

“I'm not surprised at the good start they have made when you look at the players they brought in in the summer.

“When their transfer embargo was lifted recently they went and signed two Championship players on loan so they are really going for it.”

7:22pm

Paolo Di Canio thinks it is pretty obvious that the "magic combination" of players and management at Swindon Town is still thriving.

“It’s obvious that they did something special but it happened a few weeks ago when there were a few changes and we had to stick together more, we have to let the people that joined us in the last few days know what is going on in here," he said.

“After a win like that, the first win after a few weeks where we hadn’t won at home, was good and it was a good moment. It showed people that we still have the magic combination between the players and the staff.

“I said to the fans to understand more than ever that if we want to do something to enjoy together, which is not a promise to go up but have a good season, we have to stick together.

Swindon Advertiser: Alan McCormack believes Town's star players will not leave the club as long as Di Canio is around

PAOLO DI CANIO AND ALAN MCCORMACK

“Otherwise everything looks normal in here. If we stay in the top three people say it’s normal, we have to finish top two. It’s not normal, it’s something special what we have done until today.

“The players are the main part, the staff next to them and fans make their part. We have to keep going. There will come a day, I hope not soon, when we will have a bad moment like it happened at the beginning of the season but that is normal in football.

“I hope this moment will come far from now. It can be normal to lose against Brentford because it’s 50-50 against a team that did well until now, only three points from us, a tough side to face - and it can happen against Notts County.

“It’s important to maintain this atmosphere.”

7:14pm

YOUR SAY

7:14pm

YOUR SAY

7:14pm

YOUR SAY

6:59pm Tue 20 Nov 12

Rebel_phish says

Chris Martin looked lively on Saturday. Play like that again and he should get his first goal tonight. 60 mins of Martin followed by 30 mins of Storey should be awesome

7:12pm

Simon Ferry will skipper the Town side this evening, and wants a repeat of the performance which saw Town beat Yeovil 4-1 at the weekend.

Swindon Advertiser: Swindon's Simon Ferry

SIMON FERRY

“I thought it was a really good performance by the boys. We hadn’t won at home for a while so after a few good away performances we needed to put that right.

“I thought the first 15 minutes it was even but we knew it was going to start like that. As soon as we got the first goal we battered them and it could have been more.

“It was back to doing what we were doing at the start of the season when we played MK Dons and Crawley here.

“It’s just working hard, trying to dow hat we’ve been told, putting a gameplan in and actually doing that. We had chances and we were taking them.

“I think if we get an early goal here it kind of deflates teams and then we can get our game going after that.

“It doesn’t play on my mind, you just go into every game the same to be honest. I go in to win every game and don’t think what’s happened before.”

7:10pm

Paolo Di Canio is anxious his players will not focus fully enough for this evening's clash with Brentford following their 4-1 victory over Yeovil on Saturday.

“If we miss two or three players who don’t perform in the way that I want it will make a difference," he said on Monday.

“The fact that we play against Brentford, who are close to us, reduces the worry because it’s clear that they are close to us. It’s not a team who’s close to the bottom and so we cannot underestimate them.

Swindon Advertiser: Paolo Di Canio expresses his anger at Hartlepool

PAOLO DI CANIO

“Their record is a good record because they haven’t won many games away from home, only one, but they have not lost many, only two, and they have drawn six.

“It means that they are a very good, solid team. Maybe they drop with 10 on the edge of the box. It’s a tough side.

“After you present this picture in front of your players you think everything is clear but you never know.

“The play-offs are there. If we lose tomorrow we can go out of the play-offs. If we played against tomorrow against Hartlepool it would be worse, definitely.
“For one or two of the players there is a risk.”

7:09pm

Before Saturday's 4-1 home win over Yeovil Town had gone eight weeks without a league win at the County Ground, and Simon Ferry was relieved to get the monkey of their back.

Swindon Advertiser: KEEPING THE ARMBAND: Simon Ferry

SIMON FERRY

“It never really felt like that. It was the first win in eight weeks but we didn’t really think about that. We had a few draws but I think the last defeat was Colchester.

“It was nice to get the win but it didn’t feel like it was the first win in that long. It was a good performance.

“The performances are what matter and I think we’ve been playing well but we’ve not been winning games. When we’ve had the chances we’ve not quite taken them.

“In the last month the performances are up. Eight weeks without winning didn’t seem to bother us and we still went out and played well.”

7:09pm

ON THIS DAY

Friday, November 20, 1964
Bert Head broke the Swindon Town record transfer fee by paying £15,000 to Chelsea for Dennis Brown.
Brown went on to score 44 goals in 106 games for the Robins before moving to Northampton Town in 1967.


Saturday, November 20, 1965
A week after scoring four times in an FA Cup tie against Methyr Tydfil, Keith East goes one better by hitting five in the 6-2 win against Mansfield Town in Division Three.
East scored twice in the first half before hitting a hat-trick in 16 minutes during the second period. East remains the only man to have scored five for Town in one game since World Ward II.


Wednesday, November 20, 1968
Swindon take a step closer to a place at Wembley by beating Burnley 2-1 at Turf Moor in the two teams’ League Cup semi-final first-leg clash.
Stan Harland and Peter Noble got the goals for the Robins, Ralph Coates scored for the Clarets.

7:06pm

Jonathan Douglas will captain Brentford against his former club this evening.

7:04pm

Both sets of players are out on the County Ground pitch for their warm-up.

7:04pm

IN THE AWAY DUGOUT - UWE ROSLER

Like Town boss Paolo Di Canio, Uwe Rosler has chosen to start his managerial career in the UK in the lower leagues.

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The German is best known in English football for his time with Manchester City, where he managed a goal every three games for the Maine Road side in the days before their Middle Eastern money took hold.

From there he returned to his homeland before stints at Southampton and West Bromwich Albion, but opted to end his career on Norway with Lillestrom, with his time as a player coming to a premature end after he battled lung cancer.

Swindon Advertiser:

But after beating the illness, It was in Lillestrom he began his managerial career, and he led the side to two successive fourth place finishes in the league, as well as losing in the finals of both the Norwegian Cup and the Royal League.

All that was not enough for him to save his job, and a brief stint at Viking followed before a move to Molde, but despite not losing a game, he was replaced by Ole Gunnar Solskjaer.

After moving to Brentford he guided the club to ninth in his first season, their best finish in six years, and they currently occupy the same position this time around.

7:02pm

BREAKING TEAM NEWS

BRENTFORD v Swindon Town: Moore; Logan, Craig, Dean, Bidwell; Forshaw, Douglas, Diagouraga, Barron; Hayes, Donaldson

Substitutes: Lee, Saunders, Dallas, Forrester, Oyeleke, German, Kiernan

6:58pm

Brentford manager Uwe Rosler is expecting a tough test at the County Ground this evening.

Rosler's side are unbeaten in six but the German is not being complacent ahead of the trip to Wiltshire.

“We have to be on our toes from the beginning," he said.

Swindon Advertiser: Frustrated: Uwe Rosler can't hide his anger during Saturday's FA Cup exit

UWE ROSLER

“They started like a house on fire against Yeovil and have quality throughout their team. The first goal will be very important – both teams know that.

“Swindon are also playing with a direct style, so it will be another physical test for us. They are an energetic team who press all over the pitch.

“When the opposition do their homework sometimes they will not let us play, but we still have to try and get the ball down.

“There's not room for mistakes because against sides of this quality we will get punished.”

6:57pm

New loanees Chris Martin and Danny Hollands start this evening, and boss Paolo Di Canio has thanked his agent Phil Spencer for making the move happen.

Swindon Advertiser: FRESH START: Chris Martin enters the action from the benchSwindon Advertiser: Danny Hollands. PICTURE BY EDMUND BOYDEN.

CHRIS MARTIN AND DANNY HOLLANDS

“I have to thank Phil, who works 24 hours per day, because to get the two lads who came in and joined us he worked 48 hours in a row without rest and in the end he brought in the players that I wanted.

“He did very well, it wasn’t easy.”

6:52pm

YOUR SAY - PREDICTIONS

6:52pm

YOUR SAY - FACT OF THE DAY

6:50pm Tue 20 Nov 12

KojaktheWarg says

I doubt if it will have much bearing on the game but Pocahontas used to live in Brentford. Lets hope we're the ones taking a scalp today...

Thank you for that gem. If it's true of course.

6:52pm

6:51pm

Simon Ferry will captain Swindon once again tonight, with regular skipper Alan McCormack on the bench.

He told the local media yesterday that the armband doesn't influence how he prepares for a game.

He said: “It didn’t make a difference. Every single game I go in and try my best, it doesn’t really matter if I’m captain or if I’m on the bench - when I’m on I’ll always do my best.

Swindon Advertiser: Simon Ferry challenges for a header

CAPTAIN FANTASTIC: SIMON FERRY, LEFT

“I knew as soon as Macca was fit that he’d be captain (for the Yeovil game) again so it wasn’t really anything I thought about.”

6:49pm

Town boss Paolo Di Canio is sporting a moustache in aid of the Movember charity movement, but jokingly suggested he may keep it if his side carry on winning.

Swindon Advertiser: HERE COMES THE SUN: Paolo Di Canio

“I’m not looking good to be honest. It’s better than the end of last season when I looked like a 60-year-old but today I look like a Mexican.

“I joined this moment because it’s important but it’s probably better not to have any pictures while it’s there.

“For what happened more often to the man, but not only to the man, touched me because of what happened last year and for many other reasons.

“It’s not only Movember but I will join a testimonial for an association that is trying to get the funds for research against cancer. That will be an occasion we can have fun together and try to persuade people that there is something we can do for the cause.

"If we keep on winning maybe I will let it grow until the end of the season. Last year it happened the same. I decided not to shave my face for a month for my reason and then I kept going for two or three months.

“Obviously it doesn’t matter if I look bad. Fortunately I have two daughters already, I don’t have that problem anymore.”

6:46pm

BREAKING TEAM NEWS

SWINDON TOWN v Brentford: Foderingham; Thompson N, Devera, Ward, McEveley; Ritchie, Ferry, Hollands, Roberts; Collins, Martin

Substitutes: Bedwell, Archibald-Henville, Bostock, De Vita, McCormack, Rooney A, Storey

6:44pm

YOUR SAY

6:43pm

Paolo Di Canio is convinced that James Collins' two goals against Yeovil on Saturday were down to the pressure put on him by loan arrival Chris Martin.

Collins is expected to lead the line once more this evening alongside Martin in the absence of Andy Williams.

“It’s not an accident that James Collins scored twice and worked so hard again with anger and determination for 95 minutes.

Swindon Advertiser: BACK IN THE GOAL ROUTINE: James Collins

HOTSHOT: JAMES COLLINS FIRES HIS SECOND AGAINST YEOVIL

“He’s human. When there were three strikers he could think he would play three games in four and relax. This is human.”

6:40pm

Following Saturday's convincing 4-1 victory over Yeovil Town, midfielder Simon Ferry believes it is vital the Town players maintain their focus going into tonight's game.

Swindon Advertiser: Town's current longest serving player Simon Ferry

SIMON FERRY

“Sometimes it does happen that when we’ve had a good game the next game’s not so great. When we beat Stoke we went and got beat by Preston.

“The boys are fully focused on the leagues now, we know we’re out of the cups and we want to be up there at the end of the season. We know, especially with our home games, we’ve got to go in and put in performances so I’m sure on Tuesday the boys will be ready to go.”

6:39pm

Town's suspended defender Aden Flint sends out his good luck vibes ahead of this evening's game.

6:38pm

YOUR SAY

6:26pm Tue 20 Nov 12

smirg kcab says

I say again how can willo be out for two weeks when we have no game in two weeks??
Onwards and upwards

He's not going to be fit enough to figure in first-team plans over the course of the next two weeks - taking in games against Brentford and Notts County.

6:36pm

YOUR SAY

6:30pm Tue 20 Nov 12

Haydonender says

Going to be tough tonight but I have faith we can get the win. We always seem to play better against good sides

6:34pm

SWINDON TOWN v BRENTFORD: A potted history

Swindon Town have an extraordinarily high win percentage of 67.5 in games against Brentford at the County Ground down the years.

Since the teams first met in SN1 in September 1901 in the Southern League, the Bees have visited the Robins 57 times but have only emerged with a win 10 times.

Swindon Advertiser: Yeovil Town first meet Swindon Town on Saturday, September 12, at Huish Park

Brentford’s first victory in Wiltshire came in November 1904, thanks to a pair of Franks - Oliver and Hobson, who scored three goals between them in a 3-1 success.

After that win, however, the Bees went 18 games without stinging Town in their own backyard.

That long and miserable run for the west London outfit lasted 25 years and included a streak of 13 consecutive Swindon victories in the tie between 1909 and 1927.

Four successful trips to the County Ground in seven matches followed, as Brentford started to figure out how to pick up points in Wiltshire, but normal service was resumed in the 1960s and 70s as Swindon won six games in a row between the teams in SN1, scoring 19 goals in the process.

Swindon Advertiser: Football Team Logo for Brentford

There has not been a goalless draw involving these two sides at the County Ground since May 1981, while Swindon have not failed to score at home to Brentford since a 2-0 reverse in November 1992 - a run of 12 matches.

The last two clashes in Wiltshire have ended in 1-1 draws but Swindon are unbeaten in four against the Bees at home and have lost just one of the last 10.

6:33pm

YOUR SAY

5:26pm Tue 20 Nov 12

Redhouse Red says

Going to get wet

You're not wrong there. The pitch still looks excellent, however, despite its drenching and Marcus Cassidy has done a superb job. The Arkell's it a bit wet - right up to row L there's a bit of standing water.

6:29pm

YOUR SAY

How will you respond to Douglas' return tonight? Let us know by commenting below or using the hashtag #stfcadver on Twitter.

6:29pm

This evening sees the return of Jonathan Douglas to his former stomping ground.

Douglas captained Swindon for two years between 2009 and 2011, overseeing both a play-off final at Wembley and relegation to League Two.

He is remembered in contrasting ways by Robins fans, but he says he has nothing to prove as he arrives back in Wiltshire with Brentford this evening.

“I had a great time there but that's finished now. I don't feel I have anything to prove," he said.

“I loved my spell there, especially the first year when we got to the play-off final. We played really well but lost to Millwall 1-0.

Swindon Advertiser: Jonathan Douglas

OLD BOY: JONATHAN DOUGLAS IN ACTION FOR SWINDON

“The second season was disappointing. We got rid of Charlie Austin and Billy Payner, who had scored something like 40 or 50 goals between them, and never replaced them so it was always going to be a struggle. The team was ripped apart and we suffered.

“I wasn't offered a new deal – the club didn't take up the option on my contract. I never ruled out staying despite relegation but they never offered me anything so I didn't have a choice.”

6:26pm

YOUR SAY

6:21pm Tue 20 Nov 12

DarrenSTFCRomain says

GOOD LUCK TONIGHT BOYS..
The weather should work in are fav as we will have to keep the ball on the ground...
IF we do that we will win 3.0

6:26pm

Alan Navarro is close to a return to full training, according to Paolo Di Canio.

The midfielder has spent more than a month on the sidelines with a medial ligament injury but could be back in contention soon.

“Navarro was the first with a long injury," said Di Canio. "If everything goes okay with this week then Monday he can join the team and the of his teammates and start our tectical session.

Swindon Advertiser: Navarro's injury may not be too bad

OUCH: NAVARRO WAS FORCED OFF IN THE 2-2 DRAW WITH COVENTRY

“He can challenge and maybe, maybe in a shorter period than what we thought he can join us again.”

6:23pm

YOUR SAY

 

6:21pm

TEAM NEWS

Nothing official just yet - we expect confirmation of the teams at around 7pm - but here’s a quick rundown of the state of the Swindon squad at present.

Andy Williams is set to miss out. The stiker has been ruled out for at least two weeks due to a knee injury and we’re waiting to hear on the results of a scan for that one.

Swindon Advertiser: GOAL-GETTERS: James Collins and Andy Williams

OUT: ANDY WILLIAMS

Alan Navarro remains sidelined with a knee problem of his own, Aden Flint is suspended, Tommy Miller has a leg injury, Federico Bessone is nursing a calf knock and Giles Coke is still back at Sheffield Wednesday receiving treatment on a foot problem.

Chris Martin could well start this evening, after Paolo Di Canio suggested the on-loan Norwich frontman would be asked to fill the void left by Williams.

There could be a return to the bench for Miles Storey.

6:15pm

YOUR SAY

Remember, ‘Matchday Live’ is not just about us spouting nonsense for five hours at a time. It’s a forum for Swindon Town fans’ views on everything going on at SN1 at present.

Whether it’s Paolo Di Canio’s team selection or lukewarm coffee in the Don Rogers, we want to hear from you.

And there are plenty of ways to get involved over the course of the evening – all of which are conveniently listed below.

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Get involved!

6:14pm

Good evening ladies and gentlemen and welcome to the Advertiser's live coverage of Swindon Town's League One clash with Brentford at the County Ground.

After their first home league victory in eight weeks on Saturday, Town will be buzzing to sink the Bees and make it two in a row in SN1 and three in all.

But it won't be easy. Brentford are unbeaten in six and making a serious charge at the play-off places and in Clayton Donaldson bost an explosive and dangerous striker that Swindon will do well to keep quiet.

Expect goals and drama on a damp night in Wiltshire, which you can follow in detail from now until 10.30pm right here.

Sit back and enjoy.

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5:09pm Tue 20 Nov 12

SeanG92 says...

Should be a good game, under the lights to which always adds to the atmosphere. 3 points for us tonight would be fantastic :)

My only concern is that ONCE AGAIN we end up shooting to the Town End in the 1st half! Not sure why but i just hate it being that way round!
Should be a good game, under the lights to which always adds to the atmosphere. 3 points for us tonight would be fantastic :) My only concern is that ONCE AGAIN we end up shooting to the Town End in the 1st half! Not sure why but i just hate it being that way round! SeanG92
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5:13pm Tue 20 Nov 12

Stfc_BristolRed says...

SeanG92 wrote:
Should be a good game, under the lights to which always adds to the atmosphere. 3 points for us tonight would be fantastic :)

My only concern is that ONCE AGAIN we end up shooting to the Town End in the 1st half! Not sure why but i just hate it being that way round!
Confidence seems to have returned within the team and I feel 3 points coming our way tonight! COYR!!!!
[quote][p][bold]SeanG92[/bold] wrote: Should be a good game, under the lights to which always adds to the atmosphere. 3 points for us tonight would be fantastic :) My only concern is that ONCE AGAIN we end up shooting to the Town End in the 1st half! Not sure why but i just hate it being that way round![/p][/quote]Confidence seems to have returned within the team and I feel 3 points coming our way tonight! COYR!!!! Stfc_BristolRed
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5:24pm Tue 20 Nov 12

mallorca says...

Funny after all these years being a supporter I also still hate when they kick off against the Town end in first half.
Hope all goes well and he plays the same starting team with the exception of Williams /injured feel Macca should get another shout with Chris martin starting also would be nice to see Storey on the bench.Still Pdc is the BOSS and no doubt will field the team he feels will WIN
Funny after all these years being a supporter I also still hate when they kick off against the Town end in first half. Hope all goes well and he plays the same starting team with the exception of Williams /injured feel Macca should get another shout with Chris martin starting also would be nice to see Storey on the bench.Still Pdc is the BOSS and no doubt will field the team he feels will WIN mallorca
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5:26pm Tue 20 Nov 12

Redhouse Red says...

Going to get wet
Going to get wet Redhouse Red
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6:18pm Tue 20 Nov 12

old town robin says...

If Douglas wins the toss, he will kick off to the bank
If Douglas wins the toss, he will kick off to the bank old town robin
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6:21pm Tue 20 Nov 12

DarrenSTFCRomain says...

GOOD LUCK TONIGHT BOYS..
The weather should work in are fav as we will have to keep the ball on the ground...
IF we do that we will win 3.0
GOOD LUCK TONIGHT BOYS.. The weather should work in are fav as we will have to keep the ball on the ground... IF we do that we will win 3.0 DarrenSTFCRomain
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6:22pm Tue 20 Nov 12

old town robin says...

SeanG92 wrote:
Should be a good game, under the lights to which always adds to the atmosphere. 3 points for us tonight would be fantastic :)

My only concern is that ONCE AGAIN we end up shooting to the Town End in the 1st half! Not sure why but i just hate it being that way round!
my concern would be we don't have half decent officials, seen enough dross of late
[quote][p][bold]SeanG92[/bold] wrote: Should be a good game, under the lights to which always adds to the atmosphere. 3 points for us tonight would be fantastic :) My only concern is that ONCE AGAIN we end up shooting to the Town End in the 1st half! Not sure why but i just hate it being that way round![/p][/quote]my concern would be we don't have half decent officials, seen enough dross of late old town robin
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6:24pm Tue 20 Nov 12

Scottish Dave says...

I felt the same thing on Saturday when we started towards the Town End. We did the double got rid of the failure to win at home and the bogey of wrong end and scored 3 goals in there to boot.
I felt the same thing on Saturday when we started towards the Town End. We did the double got rid of the failure to win at home and the bogey of wrong end and scored 3 goals in there to boot. Scottish Dave
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6:26pm Tue 20 Nov 12

smirg kcab says...

I say again how can willo be out for two weeks when we have no game in two weeks??
Onwards and upwards
I say again how can willo be out for two weeks when we have no game in two weeks?? Onwards and upwards smirg kcab
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6:30pm Tue 20 Nov 12

Haydonender says...

Going to be tough tonight but I have faith we can get the win. We always seem to play better against good sides
Going to be tough tonight but I have faith we can get the win. We always seem to play better against good sides Haydonender
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6:50pm Tue 20 Nov 12

KojaktheWarg says...

I doubt if it will have much bearing on the game but Pocahontas used to live in Brentford. Lets hope we're the ones taking a scalp today...
I doubt if it will have much bearing on the game but Pocahontas used to live in Brentford. Lets hope we're the ones taking a scalp today... KojaktheWarg
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6:59pm Tue 20 Nov 12

Rebel_phish says...

Chris Martin looked lively on Saturday. Play like that again and he should get his first goal tonight. 60 mins of Martin followed by 30 mins of Storey should be awesome
Chris Martin looked lively on Saturday. Play like that again and he should get his first goal tonight. 60 mins of Martin followed by 30 mins of Storey should be awesome Rebel_phish
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7:00pm Tue 20 Nov 12

Robinonfire says...

Hope Storey comes on tonight

Come on you reds
Hope Storey comes on tonight Come on you reds Robinonfire
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8:00pm Tue 20 Nov 12

joey butler says...

Re 'On This Day' 7.09 pm this evening,

''East scored twice in the first half before hitting a hat-trick in 16 minutes during the second period. East remains the only man to have scored five for Town in one game since World War II.''

Sorry Adver Guys, but I think Steve Peplow scored 5 goals in a friendly at Newport???
Re 'On This Day' 7.09 pm this evening, ''East scored twice in the first half before hitting a hat-trick in 16 minutes during the second period. East remains the only man to have scored five for Town in one game since World War II.'' Sorry Adver Guys, but I think Steve Peplow scored 5 goals in a friendly at Newport??? joey butler
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9:29pm Tue 20 Nov 12

joey butler says...

Looking at all the other results so far this evening, this would be such a great match to win!!
Looking at all the other results so far this evening, this would be such a great match to win!! joey butler
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9:45pm Tue 20 Nov 12

joey butler says...

The fat boy from Norwich is a fantastic signing, no wonder there are no pies at The County Ground, he ate them all.
The fat boy from Norwich is a fantastic signing, no wonder there are no pies at The County Ground, he ate them all. joey butler
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9:53pm Tue 20 Nov 12

Lazaat says...

Bottled it and beaten at home by the mighty Brentford!!! Why is our home form so bad?
Bottled it and beaten at home by the mighty Brentford!!! Why is our home form so bad? Lazaat
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10:03pm Tue 20 Nov 12

joey butler says...

Dreamo will not be happy, but the way things are going, at least we will save the cost of the statue of PDC!!
Dreamo will not be happy, but the way things are going, at least we will save the cost of the statue of PDC!! joey butler
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10:09pm Tue 20 Nov 12

smirg kcab says...

Lazaat wrote:
Bottled it and beaten at home by the mighty Brentford!!! Why is our home form so bad?
Simple they had Donaldson we had Collins
Onwards and upwards
Who ever picked motm should be sent to broad moor
[quote][p][bold]Lazaat[/bold] wrote: Bottled it and beaten at home by the mighty Brentford!!! Why is our home form so bad?[/p][/quote]Simple they had Donaldson we had Collins Onwards and upwards Who ever picked motm should be sent to broad moor smirg kcab
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10:18pm Tue 20 Nov 12

Stratton Red says...

Really poor. No cutting edge up front, hoof ball from the back.
Get Macca back at the back so we can play football out of defence.
Start with Storey.
Miller and martin not good enough.
*
Thompon and Wes Motm...
Really poor. No cutting edge up front, hoof ball from the back. Get Macca back at the back so we can play football out of defence. Start with Storey. Miller and martin not good enough. * Thompon and Wes Motm... Stratton Red
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10:25pm Tue 20 Nov 12

mancrobin says...

Easy to overreact to this but you win some and lose some. Players have good and bad games. I still think that we have plenty of players here who can make sure we are there or thereabouts at the end of the season.

And if we do miss out, so what, we are in the process of unearthing of good crop of young players. Storey, the Thompsons, and many more waiting in the wings. Add to that the return of a fit Team captain with some Championship experience (ie Caddis) and we will be well set to finish the job next year.

I say, keep up the good work Paul and let's build for the future.
Easy to overreact to this but you win some and lose some. Players have good and bad games. I still think that we have plenty of players here who can make sure we are there or thereabouts at the end of the season. And if we do miss out, so what, we are in the process of unearthing of good crop of young players. Storey, the Thompsons, and many more waiting in the wings. Add to that the return of a fit Team captain with some Championship experience (ie Caddis) and we will be well set to finish the job next year. I say, keep up the good work Paul and let's build for the future. mancrobin
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10:27pm Tue 20 Nov 12

southside7 says...

Actually thought Brentford played pretty well, so not too disheartened. What a save from the Brentford keeper...out of this planet.
Actually thought Brentford played pretty well, so not too disheartened. What a save from the Brentford keeper...out of this planet. southside7
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10:31pm Tue 20 Nov 12

the don69 says...

As I said chaps Brentford was a big test!we failed badly!we are what we are a mid-table side,just lacking that little bit extra what's needed for a promotion chasing side,Brentford done a job on us!just like Colchester and Orient did!much work to be done if we are to maintain a top six challenge!!!!!!!!!!!
As I said chaps Brentford was a big test!we failed badly!we are what we are a mid-table side,just lacking that little bit extra what's needed for a promotion chasing side,Brentford done a job on us!just like Colchester and Orient did!much work to be done if we are to maintain a top six challenge!!!!!!!!!!! the don69
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10:46pm Tue 20 Nov 12

Redhouse Red says...

A wasted evening, still man utd list so at least I didn't miss my other team win...
A wasted evening, still man utd list so at least I didn't miss my other team win... Redhouse Red
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10:51pm Tue 20 Nov 12

Malkym says...

smirg kcab wrote:
Lazaat wrote: Bottled it and beaten at home by the mighty Brentford!!! Why is our home form so bad?
Simple they had Donaldson we had Collins Onwards and upwards Who ever picked motm should be sent to broad moor
Absolutely Grim - too much corporate red wine methinks -and you & I are in agreement re Collins, I posted on Saturday after all the euphoria about his two goals against Yeovil, that Brentford game would show whether he could cut it - he can't! Him & Roberts can share the Taxi. Donaldson best player on the park for me.
To be fair thought we shaded first half and their keeper made a couple of great saves - 2nd half back to hoofball - lost shape when Ferry went off - young Storey needs to learn to hold the ball up until we have players in the box to release it to but he's still learning. Devera another good game and my mom again. Nathan did ok even if Paolo did blame him for the goal and acknowledged as much in his interview.
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lazaat[/bold] wrote: Bottled it and beaten at home by the mighty Brentford!!! Why is our home form so bad?[/p][/quote]Simple they had Donaldson we had Collins Onwards and upwards Who ever picked motm should be sent to broad moor[/p][/quote]Absolutely Grim - too much corporate red wine methinks -and you & I are in agreement re Collins, I posted on Saturday after all the euphoria about his two goals against Yeovil, that Brentford game would show whether he could cut it - he can't! Him & Roberts can share the Taxi. Donaldson best player on the park for me. To be fair thought we shaded first half and their keeper made a couple of great saves - 2nd half back to hoofball - lost shape when Ferry went off - young Storey needs to learn to hold the ball up until we have players in the box to release it to but he's still learning. Devera another good game and my mom again. Nathan did ok even if Paolo did blame him for the goal and acknowledged as much in his interview. Malkym
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10:51pm Tue 20 Nov 12

Haydonender says...

Not so much that we played badly today, certainly better than the other home losses. Was just that Brentford defended well and Donaldson was clinical when it mattered.

They scored with their one opportunity while their keeper made a great save from Collins and Martin missed one at the end. A draw would have been fair but just not our day
Not so much that we played badly today, certainly better than the other home losses. Was just that Brentford defended well and Donaldson was clinical when it mattered. They scored with their one opportunity while their keeper made a great save from Collins and Martin missed one at the end. A draw would have been fair but just not our day Haydonender
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10:56pm Tue 20 Nov 12

Malkym says...

mancrobin wrote:
Easy to overreact to this but you win some and lose some. Players have good and bad games. I still think that we have plenty of players here who can make sure we are there or thereabouts at the end of the season. And if we do miss out, so what, we are in the process of unearthing of good crop of young players. Storey, the Thompsons, and many more waiting in the wings. Add to that the return of a fit Team captain with some Championship experience (ie Caddis) and we will be well set to finish the job next year. I say, keep up the good work Paul and let's build for the future.
Yep dead right Donald me boy!

Jeez mancrobin -you're not another that still thinks Caddis is coming back? Norfolkin chance !! after their public spats -not even if they discover rocking-horse sh!t!!
[quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: Easy to overreact to this but you win some and lose some. Players have good and bad games. I still think that we have plenty of players here who can make sure we are there or thereabouts at the end of the season. And if we do miss out, so what, we are in the process of unearthing of good crop of young players. Storey, the Thompsons, and many more waiting in the wings. Add to that the return of a fit Team captain with some Championship experience (ie Caddis) and we will be well set to finish the job next year. I say, keep up the good work Paul and let's build for the future.[/p][/quote]Yep dead right Donald me boy! Jeez mancrobin -you're not another that still thinks Caddis is coming back? Norfolkin chance !! after their public spats -not even if they discover rocking-horse sh!t!! Malkym
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10:57pm Tue 20 Nov 12

Oxon-Red says...

Gutted, we fell asleep for the goal (their only shoot on target). Once again a team has come for a point and nicked a goal.

First time I think I have seen two players booked for time wasting, shocking, the Ref should have booked the keeper far earlier than he did (first 5 minutes would have put a stop to it).

We have to score first against these teams, simple as. Winger with pace that will take players on and put in a decent cross please.

COYMR
Gutted, we fell asleep for the goal (their only shoot on target). Once again a team has come for a point and nicked a goal. First time I think I have seen two players booked for time wasting, shocking, the Ref should have booked the keeper far earlier than he did (first 5 minutes would have put a stop to it). We have to score first against these teams, simple as. Winger with pace that will take players on and put in a decent cross please. COYMR Oxon-Red
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11:02pm Tue 20 Nov 12

Since 1950 says...

Paolo is right. We have to believe him. We aren't going to do anything this season. Far too inconsistent. You never know what Swindon side will come out of the tunnel. We could have done ourselves some good tonight with a win, but, we never really threatened apart from a couple of goal mouth scrambles.

Fully expect Ritchie to go in the Jan window. Not been the same this season without Caddis.

Another disappionting home performance I have to say. Another one to forget.
Paolo is right. We have to believe him. We aren't going to do anything this season. Far too inconsistent. You never know what Swindon side will come out of the tunnel. We could have done ourselves some good tonight with a win, but, we never really threatened apart from a couple of goal mouth scrambles. Fully expect Ritchie to go in the Jan window. Not been the same this season without Caddis. Another disappionting home performance I have to say. Another one to forget. Since 1950
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11:07pm Tue 20 Nov 12

Oxon-Red says...

Haydonender wrote:
Not so much that we played badly today, certainly better than the other home losses. Was just that Brentford defended well and Donaldson was clinical when it mattered. They scored with their one opportunity while their keeper made a great save from Collins and Martin missed one at the end. A draw would have been fair but just not our day
Thought it was Storey that missed with the header at the end.

Still not the end of the world, all very tight at the top. Could be worse we could be 18th in League 2 or even worse 21st, if we had gone for Buckle :-)

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]Haydonender[/bold] wrote: Not so much that we played badly today, certainly better than the other home losses. Was just that Brentford defended well and Donaldson was clinical when it mattered. They scored with their one opportunity while their keeper made a great save from Collins and Martin missed one at the end. A draw would have been fair but just not our day[/p][/quote]Thought it was Storey that missed with the header at the end. Still not the end of the world, all very tight at the top. Could be worse we could be 18th in League 2 or even worse 21st, if we had gone for Buckle :-) COYMR Oxon-Red
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11:43pm Tue 20 Nov 12

stigger says...

Such a disappointment after last couple of games. Started badly then last 15-20 mins of first half we started to play a bit and created some chances and couple of good saves from their keeper. 2nd half we were awful, back to hoofball, and when we did play football it was sideways and then backwards for another hoof! Nathan played ok apart from goal, defended well. jay defended well which i guess is why he got MOM but distribution poor. Ward and Dev were solid again and didn't give anything away and were rarely troubled. Roberts was awful again after 2 better displays, gave ball away time and time again and such a bottler in the tackle. Ritchie was poor as well, many poor deliveries but actually 2 excellent ones with his wrong foot that created our best chances. Ferry was not at best but still cant understand why he was taken off, always our best hope to get it down and pass it. I think Bostock should have started and he tried to pass it when on. Hollands was largely anonymous bar one good passage in first half but too early to judge him. Collins had one good effort saved but generally a poor game. People around me were slating Martin but to me he looks a very good player, great touch, very strong, holds ball up well, plays it simple, won plenty in air as well. Last 20 he faded but then he is not match fit. I think people will eat their words if they think he's rubbish. I also am pretty sure it was Storey who missed the header and he had some poor touches when on but not going to slate the young lad who clearly has pace and potential. Not going to comment on Rooney!!! Lets hope the away form continues on sat. COYR!
Such a disappointment after last couple of games. Started badly then last 15-20 mins of first half we started to play a bit and created some chances and couple of good saves from their keeper. 2nd half we were awful, back to hoofball, and when we did play football it was sideways and then backwards for another hoof! Nathan played ok apart from goal, defended well. jay defended well which i guess is why he got MOM but distribution poor. Ward and Dev were solid again and didn't give anything away and were rarely troubled. Roberts was awful again after 2 better displays, gave ball away time and time again and such a bottler in the tackle. Ritchie was poor as well, many poor deliveries but actually 2 excellent ones with his wrong foot that created our best chances. Ferry was not at best but still cant understand why he was taken off, always our best hope to get it down and pass it. I think Bostock should have started and he tried to pass it when on. Hollands was largely anonymous bar one good passage in first half but too early to judge him. Collins had one good effort saved but generally a poor game. People around me were slating Martin but to me he looks a very good player, great touch, very strong, holds ball up well, plays it simple, won plenty in air as well. Last 20 he faded but then he is not match fit. I think people will eat their words if they think he's rubbish. I also am pretty sure it was Storey who missed the header and he had some poor touches when on but not going to slate the young lad who clearly has pace and potential. Not going to comment on Rooney!!! Lets hope the away form continues on sat. COYR! stigger
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11:44pm Tue 20 Nov 12

Oi Den! says...

I thought the difference tonight was that the opposition looked like a team and we looked like a collection of individuals. It's no good bemoaning the fact that they had one chance and scored. They were playing away from home at what I am sure they would describe as "a difficult place to come". We would be delighted with the same sort of performance on the road from our boys.
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Douglas strolled around the pitch, mopping up and in control of things while hardly breaking sweat.
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Yet again, we were lumping the ball up for our forwards, expecting them to compete for it with two lighthouses. True, Collins was ineffective but the service to him and Martin from midfield was almost non-existent. We are supposed to have a squad of decent quality players, so why the reluctance to play football?
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Agree with Grim and Malk on man of the match. I sometimes wonder what game the sponsors are watching.
I thought the difference tonight was that the opposition looked like a team and we looked like a collection of individuals. It's no good bemoaning the fact that they had one chance and scored. They were playing away from home at what I am sure they would describe as "a difficult place to come". We would be delighted with the same sort of performance on the road from our boys. . Douglas strolled around the pitch, mopping up and in control of things while hardly breaking sweat. . Yet again, we were lumping the ball up for our forwards, expecting them to compete for it with two lighthouses. True, Collins was ineffective but the service to him and Martin from midfield was almost non-existent. We are supposed to have a squad of decent quality players, so why the reluctance to play football? . Agree with Grim and Malk on man of the match. I sometimes wonder what game the sponsors are watching. Oi Den!
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11:44pm Tue 20 Nov 12

Davidsyrett says...

I hope that PdC is looking for a winger with pace and capable of beating a defender. We need far better service to the forwards than Ritchie or Roberts are serving up at the moment.
I hope that PdC is looking for a winger with pace and capable of beating a defender. We need far better service to the forwards than Ritchie or Roberts are serving up at the moment. Davidsyrett
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12:19am Wed 21 Nov 12

Wilesy says...

Credit to Brentford they played well the game could have gone either way really. Donaldson was a right handful throughout, very strong and won most headers and a good finish. Just the sort of player we could do with.....

Thought we actually did OK, although wondered if we may regret not scoring when domainant at end of 1st half.

Paolo very measured on interview, referred to 4 players not performing but kept himself in check and didn't name names which was nice to hear.

Suspect though he was referring to Roberts, Collins, and probably Ferry and Ritchie.

Have said before I'm not impressed with Roberts, and I haven't changed my opinion despite slightly improved performances and still scared to death of a challenge.

Danny Ward and Hal Robson Kanu the benchmark for me of good league 1 wingers, and Roberts, De Vita, Luke Rooney are simply not of the same quality as those players. Ritchie is as good on his day, but is a bit less consistent at this level imo.

Darren Ward lost one header tonight and unfortunately it led to a goal. Suggest though we sign him up in Jan and I would make him captain right now. Devera playing very well too, he is playing very consistently.
Credit to Brentford they played well the game could have gone either way really. Donaldson was a right handful throughout, very strong and won most headers and a good finish. Just the sort of player we could do with..... Thought we actually did OK, although wondered if we may regret not scoring when domainant at end of 1st half. Paolo very measured on interview, referred to 4 players not performing but kept himself in check and didn't name names which was nice to hear. Suspect though he was referring to Roberts, Collins, and probably Ferry and Ritchie. Have said before I'm not impressed with Roberts, and I haven't changed my opinion despite slightly improved performances and still scared to death of a challenge. Danny Ward and Hal Robson Kanu the benchmark for me of good league 1 wingers, and Roberts, De Vita, Luke Rooney are simply not of the same quality as those players. Ritchie is as good on his day, but is a bit less consistent at this level imo. Darren Ward lost one header tonight and unfortunately it led to a goal. Suggest though we sign him up in Jan and I would make him captain right now. Devera playing very well too, he is playing very consistently. Wilesy
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12:22am Wed 21 Nov 12

Oxon-Red says...

stigger wrote:
Such a disappointment after last couple of games. Started badly then last 15-20 mins of first half we started to play a bit and created some chances and couple of good saves from their keeper. 2nd half we were awful, back to hoofball, and when we did play football it was sideways and then backwards for another hoof! Nathan played ok apart from goal, defended well. jay defended well which i guess is why he got MOM but distribution poor. Ward and Dev were solid again and didn't give anything away and were rarely troubled. Roberts was awful again after 2 better displays, gave ball away time and time again and such a bottler in the tackle. Ritchie was poor as well, many poor deliveries but actually 2 excellent ones with his wrong foot that created our best chances. Ferry was not at best but still cant understand why he was taken off, always our best hope to get it down and pass it. I think Bostock should have started and he tried to pass it when on. Hollands was largely anonymous bar one good passage in first half but too early to judge him. Collins had one good effort saved but generally a poor game. People around me were slating Martin but to me he looks a very good player, great touch, very strong, holds ball up well, plays it simple, won plenty in air as well. Last 20 he faded but then he is not match fit. I think people will eat their words if they think he's rubbish. I also am pretty sure it was Storey who missed the header and he had some poor touches when on but not going to slate the young lad who clearly has pace and potential. Not going to comment on Rooney!!! Lets hope the away form continues on sat. COYR!
Stigger,

I said at half time that we didn't want the half to end. Felt we were well on top at that point and it was ony a matter of time.

I thought Collins did well, given the service, and he was only denied by a superb reflex save by the keeper. After he went off I felt we missed his aerial ability, Miles is quick but will not (yet) compete with defenders in the air, (the yeovil centre pair would have had him for breakfast which explains (to me) why he was not named in the squad).

Nathan did well, except for the goal, and kept their winger largely in his pocket. Devera and Ward solid, no wild lunges so can't see a return for Flint immenent.

We seem to switch off occassional, again tonight, after a substitution. Collins goes off, 1 minute later goal down. It was the same against another team, Scunthorpe I think, something to work on ?

Pondered the Ferry substitution, was it giving him a break or was the cynical Douglas challenge a contributing factor !

Still top six and very very very tight up there, mid January will give us an idea whether top six is on.

I hope so.

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]stigger[/bold] wrote: Such a disappointment after last couple of games. Started badly then last 15-20 mins of first half we started to play a bit and created some chances and couple of good saves from their keeper. 2nd half we were awful, back to hoofball, and when we did play football it was sideways and then backwards for another hoof! Nathan played ok apart from goal, defended well. jay defended well which i guess is why he got MOM but distribution poor. Ward and Dev were solid again and didn't give anything away and were rarely troubled. Roberts was awful again after 2 better displays, gave ball away time and time again and such a bottler in the tackle. Ritchie was poor as well, many poor deliveries but actually 2 excellent ones with his wrong foot that created our best chances. Ferry was not at best but still cant understand why he was taken off, always our best hope to get it down and pass it. I think Bostock should have started and he tried to pass it when on. Hollands was largely anonymous bar one good passage in first half but too early to judge him. Collins had one good effort saved but generally a poor game. People around me were slating Martin but to me he looks a very good player, great touch, very strong, holds ball up well, plays it simple, won plenty in air as well. Last 20 he faded but then he is not match fit. I think people will eat their words if they think he's rubbish. I also am pretty sure it was Storey who missed the header and he had some poor touches when on but not going to slate the young lad who clearly has pace and potential. Not going to comment on Rooney!!! Lets hope the away form continues on sat. COYR![/p][/quote]Stigger, I said at half time that we didn't want the half to end. Felt we were well on top at that point and it was ony a matter of time. I thought Collins did well, given the service, and he was only denied by a superb reflex save by the keeper. After he went off I felt we missed his aerial ability, Miles is quick but will not (yet) compete with defenders in the air, (the yeovil centre pair would have had him for breakfast which explains (to me) why he was not named in the squad). Nathan did well, except for the goal, and kept their winger largely in his pocket. Devera and Ward solid, no wild lunges so can't see a return for Flint immenent. We seem to switch off occassional, again tonight, after a substitution. Collins goes off, 1 minute later goal down. It was the same against another team, Scunthorpe I think, something to work on ? Pondered the Ferry substitution, was it giving him a break or was the cynical Douglas challenge a contributing factor ! Still top six and very very very tight up there, mid January will give us an idea whether top six is on. I hope so. COYMR Oxon-Red
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12:25am Wed 21 Nov 12

the wizard says...

Not our best display by a very long way. Hoofball, hoofball, hoofball and it doesn't win games or do anything other than give the ball to the other team to play back at you giving them more possession and us more pressure around our goal.
Not the fault of the players they are merely playing to the managers orders.

So towards the end of the first half, we get the ball on the ground and play football and had our best period of play through the whole game, pressure on their goal and quite a few corners as well, again pressure on their goal, and on balance perhaps a bit unlucky not to score.

Second half, more and more hoof, hoof it here, there, anywhere. Did our manager not spot they have two tall centre backs who seemed to rise above our guys, time and time and time again. So that tells me that yet once more we were tactically inept. You cannot blame the players for that as they MUST do as they are told.

Bewildering, Ferry, although not at his best, gets subbed, and after that no play making in the middle, oh no, lets play hoof ball, tippy tappy stuff no good because it leads to constructive periods of play when we have the ball and they don't. Without the ball they cannot score, yet our Premiership manager as he calls himself(LOL) wants hoof ball. No wonder we are not winning games, and you cannot blame the players, as they are merely following instructions, and don't forget this is a budget busting team so the players are fine. To me they look burnt out, and after half time looked jaded and a yard short on performance, fit or burnt out, the latter looked more like it, and Ward up front at the end as our forwards were shot. Hollands was KO'd at half time , what a waste of three possible points. Not going up this season ??? I think with decent tactics this season is still up for grabs, we have the players, new tactics needed. The players I can cut slack, but the manager decides the tactics, he needs a new book.
Not our best display by a very long way. Hoofball, hoofball, hoofball and it doesn't win games or do anything other than give the ball to the other team to play back at you giving them more possession and us more pressure around our goal. Not the fault of the players they are merely playing to the managers orders. So towards the end of the first half, we get the ball on the ground and play football and had our best period of play through the whole game, pressure on their goal and quite a few corners as well, again pressure on their goal, and on balance perhaps a bit unlucky not to score. Second half, more and more hoof, hoof it here, there, anywhere. Did our manager not spot they have two tall centre backs who seemed to rise above our guys, time and time and time again. So that tells me that yet once more we were tactically inept. You cannot blame the players for that as they MUST do as they are told. Bewildering, Ferry, although not at his best, gets subbed, and after that no play making in the middle, oh no, lets play hoof ball, tippy tappy stuff no good because it leads to constructive periods of play when we have the ball and they don't. Without the ball they cannot score, yet our Premiership manager as he calls himself(LOL) wants hoof ball. No wonder we are not winning games, and you cannot blame the players, as they are merely following instructions, and don't forget this is a budget busting team so the players are fine. To me they look burnt out, and after half time looked jaded and a yard short on performance, fit or burnt out, the latter looked more like it, and Ward up front at the end as our forwards were shot. Hollands was KO'd at half time , what a waste of three possible points. Not going up this season ??? I think with decent tactics this season is still up for grabs, we have the players, new tactics needed. The players I can cut slack, but the manager decides the tactics, he needs a new book. the wizard
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12:54am Wed 21 Nov 12

Oxon-Red says...

the wizard wrote:
Not our best display by a very long way. Hoofball, hoofball, hoofball and it doesn't win games or do anything other than give the ball to the other team to play back at you giving them more possession and us more pressure around our goal. Not the fault of the players they are merely playing to the managers orders. So towards the end of the first half, we get the ball on the ground and play football and had our best period of play through the whole game, pressure on their goal and quite a few corners as well, again pressure on their goal, and on balance perhaps a bit unlucky not to score. Second half, more and more hoof, hoof it here, there, anywhere. Did our manager not spot they have two tall centre backs who seemed to rise above our guys, time and time and time again. So that tells me that yet once more we were tactically inept. You cannot blame the players for that as they MUST do as they are told. Bewildering, Ferry, although not at his best, gets subbed, and after that no play making in the middle, oh no, lets play hoof ball, tippy tappy stuff no good because it leads to constructive periods of play when we have the ball and they don't. Without the ball they cannot score, yet our Premiership manager as he calls himself(LOL) wants hoof ball. No wonder we are not winning games, and you cannot blame the players, as they are merely following instructions, and don't forget this is a budget busting team so the players are fine. To me they look burnt out, and after half time looked jaded and a yard short on performance, fit or burnt out, the latter looked more like it, and Ward up front at the end as our forwards were shot. Hollands was KO'd at half time , what a waste of three possible points. Not going up this season ??? I think with decent tactics this season is still up for grabs, we have the players, new tactics needed. The players I can cut slack, but the manager decides the tactics, he needs a new book.
Wizard,

Did you hear the Brentford chants very early in the match ?

"We are Barcelona, We are Barcelona, We are Barcelona of the lower leagues"

We lost one nil to Barcelona, a team that also played many many high long balls due to our tactics of closing the ball down high. We could try playing out of defence, as you want us to, but teams don't give the opponents time on the ball at the back any more.

Playing the ball out the way Barca do requires players of very very good techical ability and they are not going to be playing in League 1. We could try maybe but I suspect we would be closer to Hartlepool than Sheff Utd.

I believe we do try to play football on the floor but only when it is safe to do so i.e. in the opponents half or if they allow us to from the back. Easy to be critical of our hoofing but has another League 1 side come to the CG and not played similarly ?

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: Not our best display by a very long way. Hoofball, hoofball, hoofball and it doesn't win games or do anything other than give the ball to the other team to play back at you giving them more possession and us more pressure around our goal. Not the fault of the players they are merely playing to the managers orders. So towards the end of the first half, we get the ball on the ground and play football and had our best period of play through the whole game, pressure on their goal and quite a few corners as well, again pressure on their goal, and on balance perhaps a bit unlucky not to score. Second half, more and more hoof, hoof it here, there, anywhere. Did our manager not spot they have two tall centre backs who seemed to rise above our guys, time and time and time again. So that tells me that yet once more we were tactically inept. You cannot blame the players for that as they MUST do as they are told. Bewildering, Ferry, although not at his best, gets subbed, and after that no play making in the middle, oh no, lets play hoof ball, tippy tappy stuff no good because it leads to constructive periods of play when we have the ball and they don't. Without the ball they cannot score, yet our Premiership manager as he calls himself(LOL) wants hoof ball. No wonder we are not winning games, and you cannot blame the players, as they are merely following instructions, and don't forget this is a budget busting team so the players are fine. To me they look burnt out, and after half time looked jaded and a yard short on performance, fit or burnt out, the latter looked more like it, and Ward up front at the end as our forwards were shot. Hollands was KO'd at half time , what a waste of three possible points. Not going up this season ??? I think with decent tactics this season is still up for grabs, we have the players, new tactics needed. The players I can cut slack, but the manager decides the tactics, he needs a new book.[/p][/quote]Wizard, Did you hear the Brentford chants very early in the match ? "We are Barcelona, We are Barcelona, We are Barcelona of the lower leagues" We lost one nil to Barcelona, a team that also played many many high long balls due to our tactics of closing the ball down high. We could try playing out of defence, as you want us to, but teams don't give the opponents time on the ball at the back any more. Playing the ball out the way Barca do requires players of very very good techical ability and they are not going to be playing in League 1. We could try maybe but I suspect we would be closer to Hartlepool than Sheff Utd. I believe we do try to play football on the floor but only when it is safe to do so i.e. in the opponents half or if they allow us to from the back. Easy to be critical of our hoofing but has another League 1 side come to the CG and not played similarly ? COYMR Oxon-Red
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7:25am Wed 21 Nov 12

Malkym says...

Rebel_phish wrote:
Chris Martin looked lively on Saturday. Play like that again and he should get his first goal tonight. 60 mins of Martin followed by 30 mins of Storey should be awesome
Well err no -wasn't was it? People are expecting far too much too soon from Storey who despite showing electrifying pace and ability is still raw behind the ears and learning his craft. He is a fine prospect but cannot be relied to be the panacea that cures all our ills, the main ones being we don't have a dominant enough midfield and our woeful strikers particularly Collins -TAXI!
[quote][p][bold]Rebel_phish[/bold] wrote: Chris Martin looked lively on Saturday. Play like that again and he should get his first goal tonight. 60 mins of Martin followed by 30 mins of Storey should be awesome[/p][/quote]Well err no -wasn't was it? People are expecting far too much too soon from Storey who despite showing electrifying pace and ability is still raw behind the ears and learning his craft. He is a fine prospect but cannot be relied to be the panacea that cures all our ills, the main ones being we don't have a dominant enough midfield and our woeful strikers particularly Collins -TAXI! Malkym
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8:59am Wed 21 Nov 12

Oi Den! says...

Oxon-Red wrote:
the wizard wrote:
Not our best display by a very long way. Hoofball, hoofball, hoofball and it doesn't win games or do anything other than give the ball to the other team to play back at you giving them more possession and us more pressure around our goal. Not the fault of the players they are merely playing to the managers orders. So towards the end of the first half, we get the ball on the ground and play football and had our best period of play through the whole game, pressure on their goal and quite a few corners as well, again pressure on their goal, and on balance perhaps a bit unlucky not to score. Second half, more and more hoof, hoof it here, there, anywhere. Did our manager not spot they have two tall centre backs who seemed to rise above our guys, time and time and time again. So that tells me that yet once more we were tactically inept. You cannot blame the players for that as they MUST do as they are told. Bewildering, Ferry, although not at his best, gets subbed, and after that no play making in the middle, oh no, lets play hoof ball, tippy tappy stuff no good because it leads to constructive periods of play when we have the ball and they don't. Without the ball they cannot score, yet our Premiership manager as he calls himself(LOL) wants hoof ball. No wonder we are not winning games, and you cannot blame the players, as they are merely following instructions, and don't forget this is a budget busting team so the players are fine. To me they look burnt out, and after half time looked jaded and a yard short on performance, fit or burnt out, the latter looked more like it, and Ward up front at the end as our forwards were shot. Hollands was KO'd at half time , what a waste of three possible points. Not going up this season ??? I think with decent tactics this season is still up for grabs, we have the players, new tactics needed. The players I can cut slack, but the manager decides the tactics, he needs a new book.
Wizard,

Did you hear the Brentford chants very early in the match ?

"We are Barcelona, We are Barcelona, We are Barcelona of the lower leagues"

We lost one nil to Barcelona, a team that also played many many high long balls due to our tactics of closing the ball down high. We could try playing out of defence, as you want us to, but teams don't give the opponents time on the ball at the back any more.

Playing the ball out the way Barca do requires players of very very good techical ability and they are not going to be playing in League 1. We could try maybe but I suspect we would be closer to Hartlepool than Sheff Utd.

I believe we do try to play football on the floor but only when it is safe to do so i.e. in the opponents half or if they allow us to from the back. Easy to be critical of our hoofing but has another League 1 side come to the CG and not played similarly ?

COYMR
I'm pleased that one myth has been destroyed already this season - that we were going to find loads of space to play football at this level. Football is an athletic game. Yes, the higher up the ladder you get, the more football is played, but it also gets more physical. Players are fitter and stronger in the Premier League than they are at any other level. I think at times we struggle to match the increased athleticism that we are finding on stepping up a level this season.
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Brentford gave a good compact team performance while we floundered as individuals. I was also disappointed that the longer the game went on the bigger the gap became. They seemed to get stronger late in the game while we wilted and resorted more and more to those desperate hacks towards their box.
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Oxon, I think you do Brentford a disservice. They tried to play much more than we did. And there are other teams who have come here and done the same. Colchester played it out from the back while we hoofed it, and they beat us deservedly. Coventry also gave us a football lesson and had us chasing shadows for much of the game. Even Macclesfield played the ball on the deck more than we did.
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I have to say I find it disappointing that we have stepped up a level and are playing worse football than last season. But all is not lost. If PDC can get Hollands and Martin (should have buried that chance) fully fit, there is every chance they can be the key to a promotion charge. But watch out for Brentford - and Coventry.
[quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: Not our best display by a very long way. Hoofball, hoofball, hoofball and it doesn't win games or do anything other than give the ball to the other team to play back at you giving them more possession and us more pressure around our goal. Not the fault of the players they are merely playing to the managers orders. So towards the end of the first half, we get the ball on the ground and play football and had our best period of play through the whole game, pressure on their goal and quite a few corners as well, again pressure on their goal, and on balance perhaps a bit unlucky not to score. Second half, more and more hoof, hoof it here, there, anywhere. Did our manager not spot they have two tall centre backs who seemed to rise above our guys, time and time and time again. So that tells me that yet once more we were tactically inept. You cannot blame the players for that as they MUST do as they are told. Bewildering, Ferry, although not at his best, gets subbed, and after that no play making in the middle, oh no, lets play hoof ball, tippy tappy stuff no good because it leads to constructive periods of play when we have the ball and they don't. Without the ball they cannot score, yet our Premiership manager as he calls himself(LOL) wants hoof ball. No wonder we are not winning games, and you cannot blame the players, as they are merely following instructions, and don't forget this is a budget busting team so the players are fine. To me they look burnt out, and after half time looked jaded and a yard short on performance, fit or burnt out, the latter looked more like it, and Ward up front at the end as our forwards were shot. Hollands was KO'd at half time , what a waste of three possible points. Not going up this season ??? I think with decent tactics this season is still up for grabs, we have the players, new tactics needed. The players I can cut slack, but the manager decides the tactics, he needs a new book.[/p][/quote]Wizard, Did you hear the Brentford chants very early in the match ? "We are Barcelona, We are Barcelona, We are Barcelona of the lower leagues" We lost one nil to Barcelona, a team that also played many many high long balls due to our tactics of closing the ball down high. We could try playing out of defence, as you want us to, but teams don't give the opponents time on the ball at the back any more. Playing the ball out the way Barca do requires players of very very good techical ability and they are not going to be playing in League 1. We could try maybe but I suspect we would be closer to Hartlepool than Sheff Utd. I believe we do try to play football on the floor but only when it is safe to do so i.e. in the opponents half or if they allow us to from the back. Easy to be critical of our hoofing but has another League 1 side come to the CG and not played similarly ? COYMR[/p][/quote]I'm pleased that one myth has been destroyed already this season - that we were going to find loads of space to play football at this level. Football is an athletic game. Yes, the higher up the ladder you get, the more football is played, but it also gets more physical. Players are fitter and stronger in the Premier League than they are at any other level. I think at times we struggle to match the increased athleticism that we are finding on stepping up a level this season. . Brentford gave a good compact team performance while we floundered as individuals. I was also disappointed that the longer the game went on the bigger the gap became. They seemed to get stronger late in the game while we wilted and resorted more and more to those desperate hacks towards their box. . Oxon, I think you do Brentford a disservice. They tried to play much more than we did. And there are other teams who have come here and done the same. Colchester played it out from the back while we hoofed it, and they beat us deservedly. Coventry also gave us a football lesson and had us chasing shadows for much of the game. Even Macclesfield played the ball on the deck more than we did. . I have to say I find it disappointing that we have stepped up a level and are playing worse football than last season. But all is not lost. If PDC can get Hollands and Martin (should have buried that chance) fully fit, there is every chance they can be the key to a promotion charge. But watch out for Brentford - and Coventry. Oi Den!
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