Di Canio slams loan duo (From Swindon Advertiser)

What's the difference between a player like Martin making it in a prem team such as Norwich. Requires both talent AND commitment.

Martin is certainly talented.....

Agreed, there's been many a talented player who didn't make it because they didn't want to put in the effort. Hopefully Martin's just underestimated what he'd need to do at this level and now knows what's expected of him.

I'm with you on this one Paolo

Like many other players PDC has signed and publicly and personaly slated very quickly ...I pose the question....as he must have had them watched and sussed out before signing them? ,told them very clearly what he expected from before their feet touched the matchday pitch?,why does he yet again find players are not giving him thier all?
It could be to do with fear I think...every player who goes out on the pitch every week is living with the strong possibility of a public dressing down.
PDC needs to strike a balance with his players..motivate them with his unquestionable talents,but speak to them personally about thier attitudes and performances. To pick out individuals for public criticism is unprofessional and ultimatley unproductive.

I've got quite a few Norwich City supporting mates and they have some very negative views on Martins attitude. He did OK for them in lge 1 but once they started moving back up the leagues he couldn't really cut it. He's a local lad and has managed to get himself banned from most of the pubs in his local town. If that's because he just attracts unwanted attention or if its because of his arrogant attitude is open to question. He has shown he can deliver the goods at lge 1 level but needs a kick up the backside in the right direction. When you've only got a player for a short amount of time on loan that's something you don't need.

So today here in the press its the turn of our two loan players and in another article he has a pop at the ref. Grasping for straws now then manager man of Premier League. Oh do come on ! how about a bit of plain good old fashioned, "Sorry folks, today we got beat by the better side", or being a bit more realistic, "We tried to change things around with the two new guys but as they are not fully fit yet they struggled which is understandable". You could also take a look in a tall mirror and ask yourself, "Am I doing the right things"
or "Are my decisions always right or do I make mistakes". The intention is definitely there, but sometimes its lost in the application. Perhaps these two weeks off will enable things to get changed around and come good. By the way, yes we get rubbish refs, we've noticed that as well, from the stands its even more obvious, but how you can say Brentfords goal was off side is a complete mystery. The ball was clearly over the line in a goalmouth scramble with bodies everywhere, grow up.

I really don't think the current loan culture is good for football. Would rather have a couple of decent signings that are up for the cause rather than players using is as a shop window or a chance to stay fit.

the wizard wrote:
So today here in the press its the turn of our two loan players and in another article he has a pop at the ref. Grasping for straws now then manager man of Premier League. Oh do come on ! how about a bit of plain good old fashioned, "Sorry folks, today we got beat by the better side", or being a bit more realistic, "We tried to change things around with the two new guys but as they are not fully fit yet they struggled which is understandable". You could also take a look in a tall mirror and ask yourself, "Am I doing the right things" or "Are my decisions always right or do I make mistakes". The intention is definitely there, but sometimes its lost in the application. Perhaps these two weeks off will enable things to get changed around and come good. By the way, yes we get rubbish refs, we've noticed that as well, from the stands its even more obvious, but how you can say Brentfords goal was off side is a complete mystery. The ball was clearly over the line in a goalmouth scramble with bodies everywhere, grow up.

Wiz, i think you maybe getting a bit confused as to what goals PDC is talking about, the Yeovil goal was a scramble, but the Brentford goal was a break from just inside our half. I was sat bang in line with it and it was a 50/50 offside...some you get some you dont. i do agree the refs have been poor but PDC isn't useing that as an excuse, in the interview on BBC radio after the game on Saturday his words were measured and controlled but this is sometimes lost when written down, he didn't have a real pop at the refs just mentioned that he felt we are not getting the breaks at the moment.

Paolo has signed too many players now with the "wrong attitude" that it can no longer be merely coincidence.
It bemuses me that having put so much effort in finding these players so many are not up to scratch.
Anyone could be a cheque book manager (not necessarily a good one) so lets see your management skills and make these players live up to their reputations.
It may have been better if the embargo had remained as money just seems to burn a hole in Paolos pocket.

madred wrote:

the wizard wrote:
So today here in the press its the turn of our two loan players and in another article he has a pop at the ref. Grasping for straws now then manager man of Premier League. Oh do come on ! how about a bit of plain good old fashioned, "Sorry folks, today we got beat by the better side", or being a bit more realistic, "We tried to change things around with the two new guys but as they are not fully fit yet they struggled which is understandable". You could also take a look in a tall mirror and ask yourself, "Am I doing the right things" or "Are my decisions always right or do I make mistakes". The intention is definitely there, but sometimes its lost in the application. Perhaps these two weeks off will enable things to get changed around and come good. By the way, yes we get rubbish refs, we've noticed that as well, from the stands its even more obvious, but how you can say Brentfords goal was off side is a complete mystery. The ball was clearly over the line in a goalmouth scramble with bodies everywhere, grow up.

Wiz, i think you maybe getting a bit confused as to what goals PDC is talking about, the Yeovil goal was a scramble, but the Brentford goal was a break from just inside our half. I was sat bang in line with it and it was a 50/50 offside...some you get some you dont. i do agree the refs have been poor but PDC isn't useing that as an excuse, in the interview on BBC radio after the game on Saturday his words were measured and controlled but this is sometimes lost when written down, he didn't have a real pop at the refs just mentioned that he felt we are not getting the breaks at the moment.

Thanks for that, I stand corrected. Yes I did get the two goals confused.com. If he was going to mention refs perhaps he should have mentioned the rather blind one we had in the Sheffield game, who putting it politely was biased and woeful.

Thanks for your correction and insight.

here we go again two more loan players that are not up for it,dont helook at players before he sighs um on,like isaid before get a decent scout who knows what his doing not an agent who knows nothing get burns back he knew a good player when he see one

Win 2 games everyone on here happy then lose 2 everyone having a pop.

Get real people no slump, no panic and no problem.

Turn your negative pops into positive support and trust me we will move up the league again.
We will be in the "mix" at the end of the season in a league which appears to be open and where teams take points off each other week in and week out.

For those of you who didn't go Saturday we deserved at least a point but unfortunately that is what sometimes happens in football. Move on.

Some of you surprise me you really do !!

"Paolo DiCanio........and COYR'ds"

TheDukeOfBanbury wrote:
Win 2 games everyone on here happy then lose 2 everyone having a pop. Get real people no slump, no panic and no problem. Turn your negative pops into positive support and trust me we will move up the league again. We will be in the "mix" at the end of the season in a league which appears to be open and where teams take points off each other week in and week out. For those of you who didn't go Saturday we deserved at least a point but unfortunately that is what sometimes happens in football. Move on. Some of you surprise me you really do !! "Paolo DiCanio........and COYR'ds"

Fully with you on this one Dukey. The consistent PdC bashers are out in force early and I find their consistent tirades somewhat tiresome. One minute they are saying time to cut him some slack the next they are slating him for once again speaking his mind. How fickle some fans can be.

For my tuppence worth PdC is spot on and is entitled to let loan players know that he expects the same level of performance as if they were playing for their own club. whether he does that publicly or privately I couldn't give a flying fig!

Need a decent scouting setup

Duke/Malky you've cheered me up this Monday morning.

I quote from a on tabloid newspaper today "Alan Judge scored the decisive goal for Notts County, but handed much of the credit for their victory to Batosz Bialkowski, the goalkeeper. "Swindon had a lot of chances and we rode our luck at times", Judge siad. "If we didn't have Bartosz in goal, we could have been a few goals down.""

Now fair play to Grim who doesn't rate either Williams or Collins, at least he is consistent with his view. But I actually think they will come good as I think Martin will after he has been knocked into shape. Now of course none of them may ever score again for us but I'll continue to maintain the time to panic is when we don't create chances.

Until then I still think we'll win the league. Take the 8-1 generally available on us from a variety of bookmakers. (Amazing how bookies still have us third favourites to win the League)...

As Martin Luther King once said "I have a dream".... of back to back to back promotions. Watching the birth of a managerial legend. (Isn't he already)?! Build a statue of him when he takes us into the Premiership...

Looks like a public bollocking from the manager to get the 2 lads concerned to up their games. Nothing wrong with the scouting as Di Canio will have done his homework on any player brought in.

Stratton Red wrote:
I really don't think the current loan culture is good for football. Would rather have a couple of decent signings that are up for the cause rather than players using is as a shop window or a chance to stay fit.

Couldn't agree more. Loan players have to get to know the area, find somewhere to live (or do a lot of travelling), get to know the manager, his methods, their teammates, the whole set-up at the club and - in the case of these two - they need to get match fit. I believe the "emergency" loan period should be scrapped, except in the case of real emergencies. Then clubs and managers would be more accountable for their long-term transfer dealings, instead of having this potential "get out of jail free" card, which is rarely effective anyway.
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One of the disturbing things about the loss to Brentford was that they looked fitter and stronger than us towards the end of the game. They looked the sort of fit, organised side that I hoped we would be this season - and after seeing some compact professional displays early on I thought that's what we were becoming. I don't think it's any coincidence that those performances came from a group of players that had knitted together before the season had begun.
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I think Hollands and Martin could both do a good job for us at this level. I would feel much happier if we'd signed them on long-term deals (impossible at the time, I know). To expect instant results from them is unrealistic.

Duke/Malky you've cheered me up this Monday morning.

I quote from a on tabloid newspaper today "Alan Judge scored the decisive goal for Notts County, but handed much of the credit for their victory to Batosz Bialkowski, the goalkeeper. "Swindon had a lot of chances and we rode our luck at times", Judge siad. "If we didn't have Bartosz in goal, we could have been a few goals down.""

Now fair play to Grim who doesn't rate either Williams or Collins, at least he is consistent with his view. But I actually think they will come good as I think Martin will after he has been knocked into shape. Now of course none of them may ever score again for us but I'll continue to maintain the time to panic is when we don't create chances.

Until then I still think we'll win the league. Take the 8-1 generally available on us from a variety of bookmakers. (Amazing how bookies still have us third favourites to win the League)...

As Martin Luther King once said "I have a dream".... of back to back to back promotions. Watching the birth of a managerial legend. (Isn't he already)?! Build a statue of him when he takes us into the Premiership...

Dreamo have you got post traumatic posting disorder? lol!! or indigestion as you keep repeating yourself -burp!

Were missing Benson he was committed and good at holding the game up, but as for Decanio hes over the top with fitness and most games we look tired , Rogers would have never got a game and Mick Sumerbee would have probably hit him. Work with the squad Decanio as its now your squad stop chopping and changing and take some blame when you get it wrong.

dreamofacleansheet2 wrote:
Duke/Malky you've cheered me up this Monday morning. I quote from a on tabloid newspaper today "Alan Judge scored the decisive goal for Notts County, but handed much of the credit for their victory to Batosz Bialkowski, the goalkeeper. "Swindon had a lot of chances and we rode our luck at times", Judge siad. "If we didn't have Bartosz in goal, we could have been a few goals down."" Now fair play to Grim who doesn't rate either Williams or Collins, at least he is consistent with his view. But I actually think they will come good as I think Martin will after he has been knocked into shape. Now of course none of them may ever score again for us but I'll continue to maintain the time to panic is when we don't create chances. Until then I still think we'll win the league. Take the 8-1 generally available on us from a variety of bookmakers. (Amazing how bookies still have us third favourites to win the League)... As Martin Luther King once said "I have a dream".... of back to back to back promotions. Watching the birth of a managerial legend. (Isn't he already)?! Build a statue of him when he takes us into the Premiership...

Generally agree, and the last few performances haven't been nearly as bad as some of the really limp early home games (Orient etc) - losing by the odd goal can happen at times, and I'd be much more worried if the performances were truly dire rather than the results - aside from a keeper on top form and a post we could have had at least a draw Saturday.

You may have a point '84 but there seem to be too many excuses. "If it hadn't been for the goalkeeper, if it hadn't been for the post, if it hadn't been for the ref, if it hadn't been for individual mistakes, if it hadn't been for loan players not being prepared to fight for the cause..."
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This is the sort of stuff you hear week after week from teams that are mired in a relegation battle, not from a team that has hopes of promotion. The best teams don't need to rely on Lady Luck or marginal refereeing decisions. They are good enough to overcome all that stuff. It's a bit of a variation of the old Gary Player adage "The more I practise, the luckier I seem to get." In our circumstances, I would say "The more settled we become, the luckier we will get."

As previous posts suggest the the 2 biggest problems Paolo has got he has no scouting network just the highest payed agent in the lower divisions and town has no reserves so players who are out never get any match fittness . As for comparing Big Chris Iwelumo
He will win every challenge he's 6ft 3 but if you want to avoid him just stand in the middle of the goal he won't get anywhere near you

I think PDC has lost the vast majority of the playing squad.

The noise that I hear on the grapevine suggests he is Mr Unpopular and they can't wait for him to go.

Given that we pay good wages, why do you think we can't get the pick of the loan players.....because the ones that are scouted make inquiries and are told how it is, thats why, and then they don't want to come.

Granted PDC has them fit, he is great fun to watch, and for supporters we can see the passion he has. Transcending that into get the very best out of players week in week out is a skill in itself, and I would suggest isn't best done through the media channels.

Loan players...it is football, with the current 2 new guys though, to me we'll get them fit and put them in a shop window, i doubt we will retain post January.

The one good one we have got (Ward) is also up for grabs in January.

PDC is a very arrogant man, he was as a player and is worse as a manager. I still think he would be an excellent number 2 as there is no doubting the research and tactical part of his skillset. I suppose I'm now nonfussed should he walk/be pushed.

We'd get Caddis back if he went, how many games does he come too? Loads, so he obviously loves our club. Ritchie's form would then improve.

Caddis is injured.

lambo wrote:
I think PDC has lost the vast majority of the playing squad. The noise that I hear on the grapevine suggests he is Mr Unpopular and they can't wait for him to go. Given that we pay good wages, why do you think we can't get the pick of the loan players.....because the ones that are scouted make inquiries and are told how it is, thats why, and then they don't want to come. Granted PDC has them fit, he is great fun to watch, and for supporters we can see the passion he has. Transcending that into get the very best out of players week in week out is a skill in itself, and I would suggest isn't best done through the media channels. Loan players...it is football, with the current 2 new guys though, to me we'll get them fit and put them in a shop window, i doubt we will retain post January. The one good one we have got (Ward) is also up for grabs in January. PDC is a very arrogant man, he was as a player and is worse as a manager. I still think he would be an excellent number 2 as there is no doubting the research and tactical part of his skillset. I suppose I'm now nonfussed should he walk/be pushed. We'd get Caddis back if he went, how many games does he come too? Loads, so he obviously loves our club. Ritchie's form would then improve.

Caddis is on a season long loan and we are not in a position where we can just recall him. It's as good as a transfer for this season. He is also injured at the moment.
I wish people would stop prattling on about it.


On PDC, I couldn't care less if all the players hate him. Not many players liked Lou Macari when he was here, but he go results - as does Paolo.

Oi Den! wrote:
You may have a point '84 but there seem to be too many excuses. "If it hadn't been for the goalkeeper, if it hadn't been for the post, if it hadn't been for the ref, if it hadn't been for individual mistakes, if it hadn't been for loan players not being prepared to fight for the cause..."
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This is the sort of stuff you hear week after week from teams that are mired in a relegation battle, not from a team that has hopes of promotion. The best teams don't need to rely on Lady Luck or marginal refereeing decisions. They are good enough to overcome all that stuff. It's a bit of a variation of the old Gary Player adage "The more I practise, the luckier I seem to get." In our circumstances, I would say "The more settled we become, the luckier we will get."

Spot on Den!it don't matter didley sh1t about IF'S,but's maybe's,could have's should have's and even bad refs decision's,it's all about what happened!a settled team is vital and a striker that can finish would be a help!!!!!!!!

Apologies for the double post but I'm afraid I may post it five times or go back on suicide watch. Lambo with repsect the grapevine rumour mill, lost the players..... Did wonder how long it would take...

That's speculation is worse than Grim's Paolo is definitely off the week before last to Southampton.. Oh hang on.....

the don69 wrote:

Oi Den! wrote: You may have a point '84 but there seem to be too many excuses. "If it hadn't been for the goalkeeper, if it hadn't been for the post, if it hadn't been for the ref, if it hadn't been for individual mistakes, if it hadn't been for loan players not being prepared to fight for the cause..." . This is the sort of stuff you hear week after week from teams that are mired in a relegation battle, not from a team that has hopes of promotion. The best teams don't need to rely on Lady Luck or marginal refereeing decisions. They are good enough to overcome all that stuff. It's a bit of a variation of the old Gary Player adage "The more I practise, the luckier I seem to get." In our circumstances, I would say "The more settled we become, the luckier we will get."

Spot on Den!it don't matter didley sh1t about IF'S,but's maybe's,could have's should have's and even bad refs decision's,it's all about what happened!a settled team is vital and a striker that can finish would be a help!!!!!!!!

Trouble is Donny boy the bog roll two up front can't finish can they!

Just be careful what you wish for.

West Ham fans still singing Di Canio songs.

.......or maybe Dicky Dosh and Paul Hart would be your next choice or maybe even Sir Alex has been seen shopping in the Swindon outlet centre :)

Despair I really do............

Crisis ? ......what Crisis.

After these next 2 weeks just watch us go..............we are not miles away from a side that can compete with anyone in this league............

lambo wrote:
I think PDC has lost the vast majority of the playing squad. The noise that I hear on the grapevine suggests he is Mr Unpopular and they can't wait for him to go. Given that we pay good wages, why do you think we can't get the pick of the loan players.....because the ones that are scouted make inquiries and are told how it is, thats why, and then they don't want to come. Granted PDC has them fit, he is great fun to watch, and for supporters we can see the passion he has. Transcending that into get the very best out of players week in week out is a skill in itself, and I would suggest isn't best done through the media channels. Loan players...it is football, with the current 2 new guys though, to me we'll get them fit and put them in a shop window, i doubt we will retain post January. The one good one we have got (Ward) is also up for grabs in January. PDC is a very arrogant man, he was as a player and is worse as a manager. I still think he would be an excellent number 2 as there is no doubting the research and tactical part of his skillset. I suppose I'm now nonfussed should he walk/be pushed. We'd get Caddis back if he went, how many games does he come too? Loads, so he obviously loves our club. Ritchie's form would then improve.

This is the type of post I was banging on about yesterday. Utter tripe and counter productive.

Malkym wrote:

the don69 wrote:

Oi Den! wrote: You may have a point '84 but there seem to be too many excuses. "If it hadn't been for the goalkeeper, if it hadn't been for the post, if it hadn't been for the ref, if it hadn't been for individual mistakes, if it hadn't been for loan players not being prepared to fight for the cause..." . This is the sort of stuff you hear week after week from teams that are mired in a relegation battle, not from a team that has hopes of promotion. The best teams don't need to rely on Lady Luck or marginal refereeing decisions. They are good enough to overcome all that stuff. It's a bit of a variation of the old Gary Player adage "The more I practise, the luckier I seem to get." In our circumstances, I would say "The more settled we become, the luckier we will get."

Spot on Den!it don't matter didley sh1t about IF'S,but's maybe's,could have's should have's and even bad refs decision's,it's all about what happened!a settled team is vital and a striker that can finish would be a help!!!!!!!!

Trouble is Donny boy the bog roll two up front can't finish can they!

You can add in Martin Malky,after what the Norwich fans say about his finishing!so that's a triple bog-roll!LOL!!!!!!!

Must be bit of a comedown from a successful side to Swindon. Bit like
biting into a Bounty and finding there's no coconut only a Nut!

Davey Gravey wrote:

lambo wrote: I think PDC has lost the vast majority of the playing squad. The noise that I hear on the grapevine suggests he is Mr Unpopular and they can't wait for him to go. Given that we pay good wages, why do you think we can't get the pick of the loan players.....because the ones that are scouted make inquiries and are told how it is, thats why, and then they don't want to come. Granted PDC has them fit, he is great fun to watch, and for supporters we can see the passion he has. Transcending that into get the very best out of players week in week out is a skill in itself, and I would suggest isn't best done through the media channels. Loan players...it is football, with the current 2 new guys though, to me we'll get them fit and put them in a shop window, i doubt we will retain post January. The one good one we have got (Ward) is also up for grabs in January. PDC is a very arrogant man, he was as a player and is worse as a manager. I still think he would be an excellent number 2 as there is no doubting the research and tactical part of his skillset. I suppose I'm now nonfussed should he walk/be pushed. We'd get Caddis back if he went, how many games does he come too? Loads, so he obviously loves our club. Ritchie's form would then improve.

This is the type of post I was banging on about yesterday. Utter tripe and counter productive.

DG I would agree that the post you are referring to is shall we say - not constructive - not validated - facts please Lambo re the dressing room dissent -not the old rumour mill again!

Oh and for those who STILL! after the number of times its been mentioned keep banging on about Caddis - he's history-yesterdays news-today's chip paper and like Brian -" he's been a very naughty boy" and he ain't coming back regardless of whether technically he's still a Town plyer.

Thought the Martin loan deal was fishy when he had his medical in Burger King.
Onwards and upwards
Where sue?

I'm in shock reading all these post/ headlines.
Blame who the hell you want but the simple fact is we had a kid ( as paolo called Collins) on the Bench called miles storey who would have give Paolo/ directors/fans one million percent. And maybe would have scored one/two/three chances these other poor permanent/loan signing couldn't.
All these pathetic headlines may not have been warranted, just a shame he wants to be headlines instead of storey.
Where's sue
Onwards and upwards

Lambo - firstly i never seen you on here before and your comments are utter trash and you dont know what your talking about.
Firstly lets get one thing clear i know someone who knows Matt Ritchie persoanlly and he loves playing for Paolo.
Secondly if certain players are prepared to give 100% in a game and it continues then as far as i'm concerned they should go, dont blame Paolo these are professional players who should be totally committed and should always give 100% AS Paolo did when he played and he is the same as a manager he works hard and expects the same from his players. There is absolutlet no excuse from any player for not trying or putting the effort in. All players have a bad patch and play badly but they can still give total commitment.

Just here'd on the grape vine Agent Phill spencer wants to broker a deal to bring Sue to the county ground . Source suggest it would be a perfect addition as no one has seen her .
Looks like she will have a squad number in January

hornet wrote:
Just here'd on the grape vine Agent Phill spencer wants to broker a deal to bring Sue to the county ground . Source suggest it would be a perfect addition as no one has seen her . Looks like she will have a squad number in January

Anyone want to hazard a guess as to what this nonsense is all about?

Swindon1984 wrote:

hornet wrote:
Just here'd on the grape vine Agent Phill spencer wants to broker a deal to bring Sue to the county ground . Source suggest it would be a perfect addition as no one has seen her . Looks like she will have a squad number in January

Anyone want to hazard a guess as to what this nonsense is all about?

It's obviously about Sue, and the imminent signing has been long overdue...
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Just hope this is from a reliable source because there is no doubt that Sue is the missin piece in Paolo's jigsaw...
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Onwards and suewards I say :-)

Swindon1984 wrote:

hornet wrote:
Just here'd on the grape vine Agent Phill spencer wants to broker a deal to bring Sue to the county ground . Source suggest it would be a perfect addition as no one has seen her . Looks like she will have a squad number in January

Anyone want to hazard a guess as to what this nonsense is all about?

It's obviously about Sue, and the imminent signing has been long overdue...
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Just hope this is from a reliable source because there is no doubt that Sue is the missin piece in Paolo's jigsaw...
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Onwards and suewards I say :-)

Maybe if Sue was in the team the whole team could score ..........

Psychedelic Syd wrote:
Maybe if Sue was in the team the whole team could score ..........

They would probably have to make a pass first !

With respect I have not slated any of you on here ever, or where I have disagreed with your comments posted up in the manner that has now been customary practice from the few of you that think you own this place.

I have been a member on here for a number of years and a season ticket holder for a number of years too.

I can post what I like when I like, it is my opinion and you can make of it what you will.

My posts are also based on fact, I also personally know friends of the players so it is not without substance, equally there will be players that do love to play under the manager.

You can consider it hogwash; that's fine, it's an opinion, no problem with that.

Have a lovely evening.

umpcah wrote:

Psychedelic Syd wrote:
Maybe if Sue was in the team the whole team could score ..........

They would probably have to make a pass first !

LOL. I can think of a certain left footed player from Udders who wouldn't score once she had seen he has no tackle .........

lambo wrote:
With respect I have not slated any of you on here ever, or where I have disagreed with your comments posted up in the manner that has now been customary practice from the few of you that think you own this place.

I have been a member on here for a number of years and a season ticket holder for a number of years too.

I can post what I like when I like, it is my opinion and you can make of it what you will.

My posts are also based on fact, I also personally know friends of the players so it is not without substance, equally there will be players that do love to play under the manager.

You can consider it hogwash; that's fine, it's an opinion, no problem with that.

Have a lovely evening.

Can you ask the friends of the players if they know where sue is ?

lambo wrote:
With respect I have not slated any of you on here ever, or where I have disagreed with your comments posted up in the manner that has now been customary practice from the few of you that think you own this place.

I have been a member on here for a number of years and a season ticket holder for a number of years too.

I can post what I like when I like, it is my opinion and you can make of it what you will.

My posts are also based on fact, I also personally know friends of the players so it is not without substance, equally there will be players that do love to play under the manager.

You can consider it hogwash; that's fine, it's an opinion, no problem with that.

Have a lovely evening.

With respect Lambo,

You do yourself no favours, particularly with your user name.

I only knew one Lambo here in Hereford and you are not in the same league and never will be.

To be fair to you however, you are nowhere near as bad as the idiot Davey Bisto, who was on here for most of Sunday on Match Day Live.

This is going to sound ridiculous i'm sure...but...overhea
rd a very, very interesting conversation tonight in Ramsbury...(I'll be honest I didn't recognise the guys, and one wasn't Jeremy Wray) but...

How do you like the sound of Michael Owen as player-manager?! And you can't make up something as random as this!

ramsbury_man wrote:
This is going to sound ridiculous i'm sure...but...overhea

rd a very, very interesting conversation tonight in Ramsbury...(I'll be honest I didn't recognise the guys, and one wasn't Jeremy Wray) but...

How do you like the sound of Michael Owen as player-manager?! And you can't make up something as random as this!

Ramsbury,

I think PDC has burned all his bridges here, his credibility is damaged beyond repair with The Board and Michael Owen as a Player~ Manager is a fantastic idea!!

ramsbury_man wrote:
This is going to sound ridiculous i'm sure...but...overhea

rd a very, very interesting conversation tonight in Ramsbury...(I'll be honest I didn't recognise the guys, and one wasn't Jeremy Wray) but...

How do you like the sound of Michael Owen as player-manager?! And you can't make up something as random as this!

not as silly as it sounds Michael Owen is one of Andrew Blacks partners in Betfred

Paolo will take us up. Believe or die.

Championes!

hornet wrote:

ramsbury_man wrote: This is going to sound ridiculous i'm sure...but...overhea rd a very, very interesting conversation tonight in Ramsbury...(I'll be honest I didn't recognise the guys, and one wasn't Jeremy Wray) but... How do you like the sound of Michael Owen as player-manager?! And you can't make up something as random as this!

not as silly as it sounds Michael Owen is one of Andrew Blacks partners in Betfred

Err I think you might mean Betfair? Although I'm not aware of MO's involvement there? but as he is a racing nut then I'll bow to your knowledge.

joey butler wrote:

ramsbury_man wrote:
This is going to sound ridiculous i'm sure...but...overhea


rd a very, very interesting conversation tonight in Ramsbury...(I'll be honest I didn't recognise the guys, and one wasn't Jeremy Wray) but...

How do you like the sound of Michael Owen as player-manager?! And you can't make up something as random as this!

Ramsbury,

I think PDC has burned all his bridges here, his credibility is damaged beyond repair with The Board and Michael Owen as a Player~ Manager is a fantastic idea!!

You're critical of me then make a statement like the above. What bridges has di canio burned? How is his credibility beyond repair? Strong accusations for the man who won the league last year and took us to a cup final. Now you want a washed up former good player who is more interested in horses. All this when we are four points off second place in the league.

Malkym wrote:

hornet wrote:

ramsbury_man wrote: This is going to sound ridiculous i'm sure...but...overhea rd a very, very interesting conversation tonight in Ramsbury...(I'll be honest I didn't recognise the guys, and one wasn't Jeremy Wray) but... How do you like the sound of Michael Owen as player-manager?! And you can't make up something as random as this!

not as silly as it sounds Michael Owen is one of Andrew Blacks partners in Betfred

Err I think you might mean Betfair? Although I'm not aware of MO's involvement there? but as he is a racing nut then I'll bow to your knowledge.

Not Betfair either - not nowadays anyway. Black and Ed Wray are no longer involved.

Yes Decanio did take us up and on the whole we played good attacking football last season,this season we keep reverting to long ball ping pong.Yes we did get to wembley but he showed no loyalty to the players that got us to the finals a loanee making his debut and only had a plan A. He doesnt seem interested in young players mainly because he doesnt want any one taking the lime light away. Good coach bad manager although I wish I was his agent and he always seems buisy

Angolan Red wrote:
Yes Decanio did take us up and on the whole we played good attacking football last season,this season we keep reverting to long ball ping pong.Yes we did get to wembley but he showed no loyalty to the players that got us to the finals a loanee making his debut and only had a plan A. He doesnt seem interested in young players mainly because he doesnt want any one taking the lime light away. Good coach bad manager although I wish I was his agent and he always seems buisy

So an illiterate buffoon like yourself knows better? What level are these players di canio should have stayed loyal to playing at? There was me thinking young players are getting chances too but you know better. And you are also skilled enough to know a coach from a manager. What a plank

Davey Gravey wrote:

lambo wrote:
I think PDC has lost the vast majority of the playing squad. The noise that I hear on the grapevine suggests he is Mr Unpopular and they can't wait for him to go. Given that we pay good wages, why do you think we can't get the pick of the loan players.....because the ones that are scouted make inquiries and are told how it is, thats why, and then they don't want to come. Granted PDC has them fit, he is great fun to watch, and for supporters we can see the passion he has. Transcending that into get the very best out of players week in week out is a skill in itself, and I would suggest isn't best done through the media channels. Loan players...it is football, with the current 2 new guys though, to me we'll get them fit and put them in a shop window, i doubt we will retain post January. The one good one we have got (Ward) is also up for grabs in January. PDC is a very arrogant man, he was as a player and is worse as a manager. I still think he would be an excellent number 2 as there is no doubting the research and tactical part of his skillset. I suppose I'm now nonfussed should he walk/be pushed. We'd get Caddis back if he went, how many games does he come too? Loads, so he obviously loves our club. Ritchie's form would then improve.

This is the type of post I was banging on about yesterday. Utter tripe and counter productive.

Everyone has the right to make there views known,it was not a nasty post.We may disagree,but have some humility and respect.

southwest man wrote:

Davey Gravey wrote:

lambo wrote:
I think PDC has lost the vast majority of the playing squad. The noise that I hear on the grapevine suggests he is Mr Unpopular and they can't wait for him to go. Given that we pay good wages, why do you think we can't get the pick of the loan players.....because the ones that are scouted make inquiries and are told how it is, thats why, and then they don't want to come. Granted PDC has them fit, he is great fun to watch, and for supporters we can see the passion he has. Transcending that into get the very best out of players week in week out is a skill in itself, and I would suggest isn't best done through the media channels. Loan players...it is football, with the current 2 new guys though, to me we'll get them fit and put them in a shop window, i doubt we will retain post January. The one good one we have got (Ward) is also up for grabs in January. PDC is a very arrogant man, he was as a player and is worse as a manager. I still think he would be an excellent number 2 as there is no doubting the research and tactical part of his skillset. I suppose I'm now nonfussed should he walk/be pushed. We'd get Caddis back if he went, how many games does he come too? Loads, so he obviously loves our club. Ritchie's form would then improve.

This is the type of post I was banging on about yesterday. Utter tripe and counter productive.

Everyone has the right to make there views known,it was not a nasty post.We may disagree,but have some humility and respect.

What like the respect others are showing? How about the total lack of respect people are showing the manager and players? If people talk sh1t expect them to be criticized for it.

It's all about opinions, Davey. I didn't see anything offensive in Lambo's post - certainly nothing as offensive as calling someone else's opinion sh1t. I don't know whether Lambo has any inside information or not, but given PDC's track record of falling out with players it would be no great surprise if some of the current squad are not happy. Several of them have been singled out for very direct public criticism. I don't exactly imagine they all ignore their personal feelings and console themselves with the fact that it's just Paolo being Paolo.
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I'm sure what I am about to say will be considered somewhere between disloyalty and outright treason, but I think PDC often gives the impression that he thinks he's more important than the club, the investors, the fans and the players. The club is only "LEAGUE1", the investors have been on the receiving end of his sharp tongue and ugly physical gestures for not being ambitious (despite giving him a generous playing budget) because they didn't act quickly to dig him out of his transfer embargo, the fans can go and watch Oxford if they are not happy, and he seems determined to take players to pieces in the immediate aftermath of games.
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And while all this goes on, people seem to think we shouldn't dare criticise the arch criticiser. Is this because they are afraid he might get upset and leave? Perhaps it is - but why not take a step back and try to consider the position from Andrew Black's point of view? It might not be just a question of whether PDC chooses to stay or go. It might be a matter of where Mr Black chooses to draw the line. If he could dispense with the services of his best friend in the interests of the club, I don't think he would have too many qualms about a changing the manager. And Sir William Patey is going to be nobody's pushover.
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Having said all that, I'll repeat what I've said all along. PDC has been great for our club and I am sure he can do many more good things for us. But, like many others, I would like to see him managing what he's got instead of coming up with knee-jerk responses to every little setback. And if he insists on signing new players in an effort to improve his team, give those players a chance to bed in before denouncing them.

Davey Gravey wrote:

Angolan Red wrote:
Yes Decanio did take us up and on the whole we played good attacking football last season,this season we keep reverting to long ball ping pong.Yes we did get to wembley but he showed no loyalty to the players that got us to the finals a loanee making his debut and only had a plan A. He doesnt seem interested in young players mainly because he doesnt want any one taking the lime light away. Good coach bad manager although I wish I was his agent and he always seems buisy

So an illiterate buffoon like yourself knows better? What level are these players di canio should have stayed loyal to playing at? There was me thinking young players are getting chances too but you know better. And you are also skilled enough to know a coach from a manager. What a plank

DG you appear to me to be a very self opinionated person to me.

If you don't listen or respect other peoples views it can land you in a lot of bother, or even embarrass yourself in your quest to embarrass others.

Still, it is your problem not mine.

Happy days eh !!

Oi Den! wrote:
It's all about opinions, Davey. I didn't see anything offensive in Lambo's post - certainly nothing as offensive as calling someone else's opinion sh1t. I don't know whether Lambo has any inside information or not, but given PDC's track record of falling out with players it would be no great surprise if some of the current squad are not happy. Several of them have been singled out for very direct public criticism. I don't exactly imagine they all ignore their personal feelings and console themselves with the fact that it's just Paolo being Paolo. . I'm sure what I am about to say will be considered somewhere between disloyalty and outright treason, but I think PDC often gives the impression that he thinks he's more important than the club, the investors, the fans and the players. The club is only "LEAGUE1", the investors have been on the receiving end of his sharp tongue and ugly physical gestures for not being ambitious (despite giving him a generous playing budget) because they didn't act quickly to dig him out of his transfer embargo, the fans can go and watch Oxford if they are not happy, and he seems determined to take players to pieces in the immediate aftermath of games. . And while all this goes on, people seem to think we shouldn't dare criticise the arch criticiser. Is this because they are afraid he might get upset and leave? Perhaps it is - but why not take a step back and try to consider the position from Andrew Black's point of view? It might not be just a question of whether PDC chooses to stay or go. It might be a matter of where Mr Black chooses to draw the line. If he could dispense with the services of his best friend in the interests of the club, I don't think he would have too many qualms about a changing the manager. And Sir William Patey is going to be nobody's pushover. . Having said all that, I'll repeat what I've said all along. PDC has been great for our club and I am sure he can do many more good things for us. But, like many others, I would like to see him managing what he's got instead of coming up with knee-jerk responses to every little setback. And if he insists on signing new players in an effort to improve his team, give those players a chance to bed in before denouncing them.

I'm sure what I am about to say will be considered somewhere between disloyalty and outright treason, but I think PDC often gives the impression that he thinks he's more important than the club,.

Paolo says it every week so YES he does think that he is bigger than the club ...JUST READ HIS QUOTES..
and he also thinks that his tactics are going to work every game..BUT i think its time that Paolo realise that other managers have tactics 2 and thay also have a plan B something Paolo has not...
He also thinks that he is a bigger and better than ANY Manager other

Oi Den! wrote:
It's all about opinions, Davey. I didn't see anything offensive in Lambo's post - certainly nothing as offensive as calling someone else's opinion sh1t. I don't know whether Lambo has any inside information or not, but given PDC's track record of falling out with players it would be no great surprise if some of the current squad are not happy. Several of them have been singled out for very direct public criticism. I don't exactly imagine they all ignore their personal feelings and console themselves with the fact that it's just Paolo being Paolo.
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I'm sure what I am about to say will be considered somewhere between disloyalty and outright treason, but I think PDC often gives the impression that he thinks he's more important than the club, the investors, the fans and the players. The club is only "LEAGUE1", the investors have been on the receiving end of his sharp tongue and ugly physical gestures for not being ambitious (despite giving him a generous playing budget) because they didn't act quickly to dig him out of his transfer embargo, the fans can go and watch Oxford if they are not happy, and he seems determined to take players to pieces in the immediate aftermath of games.
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And while all this goes on, people seem to think we shouldn't dare criticise the arch criticiser. Is this because they are afraid he might get upset and leave? Perhaps it is - but why not take a step back and try to consider the position from Andrew Black's point of view? It might not be just a question of whether PDC chooses to stay or go. It might be a matter of where Mr Black chooses to draw the line. If he could dispense with the services of his best friend in the interests of the club, I don't think he would have too many qualms about a changing the manager. And Sir William Patey is going to be nobody's pushover.
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Having said all that, I'll repeat what I've said all along. PDC has been great for our club and I am sure he can do many more good things for us. But, like many others, I would like to see him managing what he's got instead of coming up with knee-jerk responses to every little setback. And if he insists on signing new players in an effort to improve his team, give those players a chance to bed in before denouncing them.

Top post - nothing against reasonable observations and criticisms of the manager, and you've taken the time and effort to put out a reasoned argument. The sort of words someone can respect even if they don't agree. Could do with more of that on here!

It's the really spurious posts that bug me, dicanio's **** get him out and so firth which add nothing.

Swindon1984 wrote:

Oi Den! wrote:
It's all about opinions, Davey. I didn't see anything offensive in Lambo's post - certainly nothing as offensive as calling someone else's opinion sh1t. I don't know whether Lambo has any inside information or not, but given PDC's track record of falling out with players it would be no great surprise if some of the current squad are not happy. Several of them have been singled out for very direct public criticism. I don't exactly imagine they all ignore their personal feelings and console themselves with the fact that it's just Paolo being Paolo.
.
I'm sure what I am about to say will be considered somewhere between disloyalty and outright treason, but I think PDC often gives the impression that he thinks he's more important than the club, the investors, the fans and the players. The club is only "LEAGUE1", the investors have been on the receiving end of his sharp tongue and ugly physical gestures for not being ambitious (despite giving him a generous playing budget) because they didn't act quickly to dig him out of his transfer embargo, the fans can go and watch Oxford if they are not happy, and he seems determined to take players to pieces in the immediate aftermath of games.
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And while all this goes on, people seem to think we shouldn't dare criticise the arch criticiser. Is this because they are afraid he might get upset and leave? Perhaps it is - but why not take a step back and try to consider the position from Andrew Black's point of view? It might not be just a question of whether PDC chooses to stay or go. It might be a matter of where Mr Black chooses to draw the line. If he could dispense with the services of his best friend in the interests of the club, I don't think he would have too many qualms about a changing the manager. And Sir William Patey is going to be nobody's pushover.
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Having said all that, I'll repeat what I've said all along. PDC has been great for our club and I am sure he can do many more good things for us. But, like many others, I would like to see him managing what he's got instead of coming up with knee-jerk responses to every little setback. And if he insists on signing new players in an effort to improve his team, give those players a chance to bed in before denouncing them.

Top post - nothing against reasonable observations and criticisms of the manager, and you've taken the time and effort to put out a reasoned argument. The sort of words someone can respect even if they don't agree. Could do with more of that on here!

It's the really spurious posts that bug me, dicanio's **** get him out and so firth which add nothing.

Agree. A well reasoned post from oi den. I respect suffering views on anything but some of the stuff said in here is pathetic and not worthy of respect.

Darn predictive text. Was meant to say differing.

Ramsbury,
I'm sure that I read somewhere recently that Michael owen had secured a 50/50 partnership deal with our Mr Black to further expand his horse training program in Cheshire.
I wonder if this has anything to do with the conversation you overheard?
Is there anybody out there who can confirm or quash this?

Oldhamred wrote:
Ramsbury,
I'm sure that I read somewhere recently that Michael owen had secured a 50/50 partnership deal with our Mr Black to further expand his horse training program in Cheshire.
I wonder if this has anything to do with the conversation you overheard?
Is there anybody out there who can confirm or quash this?

Seems they are partners in Manor House Stables LLP. And today's useless nugget of information, as revealed by their website, is that our benefactor is known as "Bert".

Thanks for finding that piece of the jigsaw Den.
It appears that 2+2 does NOT equal 5 afterall ;-)

Oldhamred wrote:
Thanks for finding that piece of the jigsaw Den.
It appears that 2+2 does NOT equal 5 afterall ;-)

True - but it will probably just lead to another 2 and 2 being put together to make 5 !

Davey Gravey wrote:

Swindon1984 wrote:

Oi Den! wrote:
It's all about opinions, Davey. I didn't see anything offensive in Lambo's post - certainly nothing as offensive as calling someone else's opinion sh1t. I don't know whether Lambo has any inside information or not, but given PDC's track record of falling out with players it would be no great surprise if some of the current squad are not happy. Several of them have been singled out for very direct public criticism. I don't exactly imagine they all ignore their personal feelings and console themselves with the fact that it's just Paolo being Paolo.
.
I'm sure what I am about to say will be considered somewhere between disloyalty and outright treason, but I think PDC often gives the impression that he thinks he's more important than the club, the investors, the fans and the players. The club is only "LEAGUE1", the investors have been on the receiving end of his sharp tongue and ugly physical gestures for not being ambitious (despite giving him a generous playing budget) because they didn't act quickly to dig him out of his transfer embargo, the fans can go and watch Oxford if they are not happy, and he seems determined to take players to pieces in the immediate aftermath of games.
.
And while all this goes on, people seem to think we shouldn't dare criticise the arch criticiser. Is this because they are afraid he might get upset and leave? Perhaps it is - but why not take a step back and try to consider the position from Andrew Black's point of view? It might not be just a question of whether PDC chooses to stay or go. It might be a matter of where Mr Black chooses to draw the line. If he could dispense with the services of his best friend in the interests of the club, I don't think he would have too many qualms about a changing the manager. And Sir William Patey is going to be nobody's pushover.
.
Having said all that, I'll repeat what I've said all along. PDC has been great for our club and I am sure he can do many more good things for us. But, like many others, I would like to see him managing what he's got instead of coming up with knee-jerk responses to every little setback. And if he insists on signing new players in an effort to improve his team, give those players a chance to bed in before denouncing them.

Top post - nothing against reasonable observations and criticisms of the manager, and you've taken the time and effort to put out a reasoned argument. The sort of words someone can respect even if they don't agree. Could do with more of that on here!

It's the really spurious posts that bug me, dicanio's **** get him out and so firth which add nothing.

Agree. A well reasoned post from oi den. I respect suffering views on anything but some of the stuff said in here is pathetic and not worthy of respect.

"I respect suffering views on anything but some of the stuff said in here is pathetic and not worthy of respect."


The second part of your sentence seems to contradict the first. Cant you just accept that many people has a point of view, whether it is well reasoned or not. I can't believe how angry some people on here get about other people's posts. It's only a newspaper forum, not life and death!

Nick1234 wrote:

Davey Gravey wrote:

Swindon1984 wrote:

Oi Den! wrote:
It's all about opinions, Davey. I didn't see anything offensive in Lambo's post - certainly nothing as offensive as calling someone else's opinion sh1t. I don't know whether Lambo has any inside information or not, but given PDC's track record of falling out with players it would be no great surprise if some of the current squad are not happy. Several of them have been singled out for very direct public criticism. I don't exactly imagine they all ignore their personal feelings and console themselves with the fact that it's just Paolo being Paolo.
.
I'm sure what I am about to say will be considered somewhere between disloyalty and outright treason, but I think PDC often gives the impression that he thinks he's more important than the club, the investors, the fans and the players. The club is only "LEAGUE1", the investors have been on the receiving end of his sharp tongue and ugly physical gestures for not being ambitious (despite giving him a generous playing budget) because they didn't act quickly to dig him out of his transfer embargo, the fans can go and watch Oxford if they are not happy, and he seems determined to take players to pieces in the immediate aftermath of games.
.
And while all this goes on, people seem to think we shouldn't dare criticise the arch criticiser. Is this because they are afraid he might get upset and leave? Perhaps it is - but why not take a step back and try to consider the position from Andrew Black's point of view? It might not be just a question of whether PDC chooses to stay or go. It might be a matter of where Mr Black chooses to draw the line. If he could dispense with the services of his best friend in the interests of the club, I don't think he would have too many qualms about a changing the manager. And Sir William Patey is going to be nobody's pushover.
.
Having said all that, I'll repeat what I've said all along. PDC has been great for our club and I am sure he can do many more good things for us. But, like many others, I would like to see him managing what he's got instead of coming up with knee-jerk responses to every little setback. And if he insists on signing new players in an effort to improve his team, give those players a chance to bed in before denouncing them.

Top post - nothing against reasonable observations and criticisms of the manager, and you've taken the time and effort to put out a reasoned argument. The sort of words someone can respect even if they don't agree. Could do with more of that on here!

It's the really spurious posts that bug me, dicanio's **** get him out and so firth which add nothing.

Agree. A well reasoned post from oi den. I respect suffering views on anything but some of the stuff said in here is pathetic and not worthy of respect.

"I respect suffering views on anything but some of the stuff said in here is pathetic and not worthy of respect."


The second part of your sentence seems to contradict the first. Cant you just accept that many people has a point of view, whether it is well reasoned or not. I can't believe how angry some people on here get about other people's posts. It's only a newspaper forum, not life and death!

How does it contradict? I was saying it was a good post but that there are others that aint. Everyone has a point of view its just that some views are not worth reading. No anger from me either.

Davey Gravey wrote:

Nick1234 wrote:

Davey Gravey wrote:

Swindon1984 wrote:

Oi Den! wrote:
It's all about opinions, Davey. I didn't see anything offensive in Lambo's post - certainly nothing as offensive as calling someone else's opinion sh1t. I don't know whether Lambo has any inside information or not, but given PDC's track record of falling out with players it would be no great surprise if some of the current squad are not happy. Several of them have been singled out for very direct public criticism. I don't exactly imagine they all ignore their personal feelings and console themselves with the fact that it's just Paolo being Paolo.
.
I'm sure what I am about to say will be considered somewhere between disloyalty and outright treason, but I think PDC often gives the impression that he thinks he's more important than the club, the investors, the fans and the players. The club is only "LEAGUE1", the investors have been on the receiving end of his sharp tongue and ugly physical gestures for not being ambitious (despite giving him a generous playing budget) because they didn't act quickly to dig him out of his transfer embargo, the fans can go and watch Oxford if they are not happy, and he seems determined to take players to pieces in the immediate aftermath of games.
.
And while all this goes on, people seem to think we shouldn't dare criticise the arch criticiser. Is this because they are afraid he might get upset and leave? Perhaps it is - but why not take a step back and try to consider the position from Andrew Black's point of view? It might not be just a question of whether PDC chooses to stay or go. It might be a matter of where Mr Black chooses to draw the line. If he could dispense with the services of his best friend in the interests of the club, I don't think he would have too many qualms about a changing the manager. And Sir William Patey is going to be nobody's pushover.
.
Having said all that, I'll repeat what I've said all along. PDC has been great for our club and I am sure he can do many more good things for us. But, like many others, I would like to see him managing what he's got instead of coming up with knee-jerk responses to every little setback. And if he insists on signing new players in an effort to improve his team, give those players a chance to bed in before denouncing them.

Top post - nothing against reasonable observations and criticisms of the manager, and you've taken the time and effort to put out a reasoned argument. The sort of words someone can respect even if they don't agree. Could do with more of that on here!

It's the really spurious posts that bug me, dicanio's **** get him out and so firth which add nothing.

Agree. A well reasoned post from oi den. I respect suffering views on anything but some of the stuff said in here is pathetic and not worthy of respect.

"I respect suffering views on anything but some of the stuff said in here is pathetic and not worthy of respect."


The second part of your sentence seems to contradict the first. Cant you just accept that many people has a point of view, whether it is well reasoned or not. I can't believe how angry some people on here get about other people's posts. It's only a newspaper forum, not life and death!

How does it contradict? I was saying it was a good post but that there are others that aint. Everyone has a point of view its just that some views are not worth reading. No anger from me either.

Davey,

You appeared on here Sunday, having never posted previously.

And you are still here, simply winding people up.

I think you are just one of those Oxford Dicks and probably very closely related to Hugh Curran?

Why not just go back to the Oxford Mail, where they are always very short of posters?

Oi Den! wrote:

Oldhamred wrote:
Ramsbury,
I'm sure that I read somewhere recently that Michael owen had secured a 50/50 partnership deal with our Mr Black to further expand his horse training program in Cheshire.
I wonder if this has anything to do with the conversation you overheard?
Is there anybody out there who can confirm or quash this?

Seems they are partners in Manor House Stables LLP. And today's useless nugget of information, as revealed by their website, is that our benefactor is known as "Bert".

Sorry for late post. I was in the Bell in Ramsbury (owned I believe by Andrew Fitton) and two guys were definately having quite a hushed conversation but certainly were talking about Owen coming in. I knew Jeremy Wrays office was in Ramsbury, but didn't know of the links through the racing stables. I must admit, I was surprised by what I heard, but assuming they were friends/associates of J Wray, his brother or Mr Black, then it does make sense I guess.
It might just be planning ahead looking at options if things did implode with PDC (which I think most people would agree always looks one particularly bad result away!)

Sorry for even later post lol.
I actually think PDC is in it for the long haul. He is quite rightly proud of his acheivements to date but will also be aware that he has been well backed by a board that has offered support to a level not seen in too many clubs in the lower leagues.
I therefore think it would take considerably more than ONE bad result for him to implode. IMO the only thing that would make PDC consider leaving before his contract was up would be a change to the 3 year plan.
As for the possibility of Michael Owen becoming PM.....he WAS a very good goal scorer but in recent years has lost more than "half a yard" which makes him far less effective. (I also believe that our front men will eventually come good) so see no need for him as a player.
As a manager, like PDC he is an unknown quantity but I would suggest he seems a little lightweight in how he comes across. I'm not sure how much respect he would command in the dressing room.

joey butler wrote:

Davey Gravey wrote:

Nick1234 wrote:

Davey Gravey wrote:

Swindon1984 wrote:

Oi Den! wrote:
It's all about opinions, Davey. I didn't see anything offensive in Lambo's post - certainly nothing as offensive as calling someone else's opinion sh1t. I don't know whether Lambo has any inside information or not, but given PDC's track record of falling out with players it would be no great surprise if some of the current squad are not happy. Several of them have been singled out for very direct public criticism. I don't exactly imagine they all ignore their personal feelings and console themselves with the fact that it's just Paolo being Paolo.
.
I'm sure what I am about to say will be considered somewhere between disloyalty and outright treason, but I think PDC often gives the impression that he thinks he's more important than the club, the investors, the fans and the players. The club is only "LEAGUE1", the investors have been on the receiving end of his sharp tongue and ugly physical gestures for not being ambitious (despite giving him a generous playing budget) because they didn't act quickly to dig him out of his transfer embargo, the fans can go and watch Oxford if they are not happy, and he seems determined to take players to pieces in the immediate aftermath of games.
.
And while all this goes on, people seem to think we shouldn't dare criticise the arch criticiser. Is this because they are afraid he might get upset and leave? Perhaps it is - but why not take a step back and try to consider the position from Andrew Black's point of view? It might not be just a question of whether PDC chooses to stay or go. It might be a matter of where Mr Black chooses to draw the line. If he could dispense with the services of his best friend in the interests of the club, I don't think he would have too many qualms about a changing the manager. And Sir William Patey is going to be nobody's pushover.
.
Having said all that, I'll repeat what I've said all along. PDC has been great for our club and I am sure he can do many more good things for us. But, like many others, I would like to see him managing what he's got instead of coming up with knee-jerk responses to every little setback. And if he insists on signing new players in an effort to improve his team, give those players a chance to bed in before denouncing them.

Top post - nothing against reasonable observations and criticisms of the manager, and you've taken the time and effort to put out a reasoned argument. The sort of words someone can respect even if they don't agree. Could do with more of that on here!

It's the really spurious posts that bug me, dicanio's **** get him out and so firth which add nothing.

Agree. A well reasoned post from oi den. I respect suffering views on anything but some of the stuff said in here is pathetic and not worthy of respect.

"I respect suffering views on anything but some of the stuff said in here is pathetic and not worthy of respect."


The second part of your sentence seems to contradict the first. Cant you just accept that many people has a point of view, whether it is well reasoned or not. I can't believe how angry some people on here get about other people's posts. It's only a newspaper forum, not life and death!

How does it contradict? I was saying it was a good post but that there are others that aint. Everyone has a point of view its just that some views are not worth reading. No anger from me either.

Davey,

You appeared on here Sunday, having never posted previously.

And you are still here, simply winding people up.

I think you are just one of those Oxford Dicks and probably very closely related to Hugh Curran?

Why not just go back to the Oxford Mail, where they are always very short of posters?

Not at all. Try reading what is posted and maybe a proper debate can happen.

Oldhamred wrote:
Sorry for even later post lol.
I actually think PDC is in it for the long haul. He is quite rightly proud of his acheivements to date but will also be aware that he has been well backed by a board that has offered support to a level not seen in too many clubs in the lower leagues.
I therefore think it would take considerably more than ONE bad result for him to implode. IMO the only thing that would make PDC consider leaving before his contract was up would be a change to the 3 year plan.
As for the possibility of Michael Owen becoming PM.....he WAS a very good goal scorer but in recent years has lost more than "half a yard" which makes him far less effective. (I also believe that our front men will eventually come good) so see no need for him as a player.
As a manager, like PDC he is an unknown quantity but I would suggest he seems a little lightweight in how he comes across. I'm not sure how much respect he would command in the dressing room.

Oldham, I think you are probably right when you say that PDC is in no hurry to leave. But isn't the implication in Ramsbury's posts that it might be someone else who makes the decision?

Davey Gravey wrote:

joey butler wrote:

Davey Gravey wrote:

Nick1234 wrote:

Davey Gravey wrote:

Swindon1984 wrote:

Oi Den! wrote: It's all about opinions, Davey. I didn't see anything offensive in Lambo's post - certainly nothing as offensive as calling someone else's opinion sh1t. I don't know whether Lambo has any inside information or not, but given PDC's track record of falling out with players it would be no great surprise if some of the current squad are not happy. Several of them have been singled out for very direct public criticism. I don't exactly imagine they all ignore their personal feelings and console themselves with the fact that it's just Paolo being Paolo. . I'm sure what I am about to say will be considered somewhere between disloyalty and outright treason, but I think PDC often gives the impression that he thinks he's more important than the club, the investors, the fans and the players. The club is only "LEAGUE1", the investors have been on the receiving end of his sharp tongue and ugly physical gestures for not being ambitious (despite giving him a generous playing budget) because they didn't act quickly to dig him out of his transfer embargo, the fans can go and watch Oxford if they are not happy, and he seems determined to take players to pieces in the immediate aftermath of games. . And while all this goes on, people seem to think we shouldn't dare criticise the arch criticiser. Is this because they are afraid he might get upset and leave? Perhaps it is - but why not take a step back and try to consider the position from Andrew Black's point of view? It might not be just a question of whether PDC chooses to stay or go. It might be a matter of where Mr Black chooses to draw the line. If he could dispense with the services of his best friend in the interests of the club, I don't think he would have too many qualms about a changing the manager. And Sir William Patey is going to be nobody's pushover. . Having said all that, I'll repeat what I've said all along. PDC has been great for our club and I am sure he can do many more good things for us. But, like many others, I would like to see him managing what he's got instead of coming up with knee-jerk responses to every little setback. And if he insists on signing new players in an effort to improve his team, give those players a chance to bed in before denouncing them.

Top post - nothing against reasonable observations and criticisms of the manager, and you've taken the time and effort to put out a reasoned argument. The sort of words someone can respect even if they don't agree. Could do with more of that on here! It's the really spurious posts that bug me, dicanio's **** get him out and so firth which add nothing.

Agree. A well reasoned post from oi den. I respect suffering views on anything but some of the stuff said in here is pathetic and not worthy of respect.

"I respect suffering views on anything but some of the stuff said in here is pathetic and not worthy of respect." The second part of your sentence seems to contradict the first. Cant you just accept that many people has a point of view, whether it is well reasoned or not. I can't believe how angry some people on here get about other people's posts. It's only a newspaper forum, not life and death!

How does it contradict? I was saying it was a good post but that there are others that aint. Everyone has a point of view its just that some views are not worth reading. No anger from me either.

Davey, You appeared on here Sunday, having never posted previously. And you are still here, simply winding people up. I think you are just one of those Oxford Dicks and probably very closely related to Hugh Curran? Why not just go back to the Oxford Mail, where they are always very short of posters?

Not at all. Try reading what is posted and maybe a proper debate can happen.

For my tuppence worth, I haven't seen anything you've written that'd constitute trying to wind people up.

As for accepting people's views whether they're well reasoned or not Nick1234, we can't stop people expressing their opinions, but some opinions are worth nothing - i.e. if people are basing their opinions on duff information or just making stuff up.

People should be able to back up their comments with some sort of an example (e.g. I'm not impressed by player x because based on watching him play, he gives away possession cheaply, or can't finish clinically or whatever, rather than just "so and so's ****")

The other old chesnut is "I know someone in the club, I can't say who but he says so and so will be sold in January/has fallen out with the manager/etc"

The internet is a place where everyone has a voice, but it's also wide open to pointless rubbish and made up BS - I could come on here and lie and say I'm a season ticket holder, supported the club for fifty years, mates with the directors and so on and no-one would know any different. There are some out there who either a) wind people up for attention or b) make stuff up to make themselves seem more intersting or "in the know," again for attention. Sad but it's true.