Caddis poised to make permanent Birmingham switch

Swindon Advertiser: NO GOING BACK: Paul Caddis NO GOING BACK: Paul Caddis

PAOLO Di Canio has revealed that a deal to take Paul Caddis to Birmingham on a permanent basis is close to being agreed.

The full-back, who joined the Championship outfit on a season-long loan in the summer, is currently sidelined with a hamstring injury but has impressed manager Lee Clark sufficiently this term to encourage the Blues boss to make a move for his services full-time in January.

A fortnight ago Di Canio intimated that Birmingham were not keen to come to any sort of arrangement, telling the local media: “They don’t take out their hair to keep him. We already asked one month ago ‘would you keep him, would you buy?’ Clark I know loves him but he said ‘let us think’.”

However, it now appears that the St Andrew’s chief has come to a decision, as Di Canio said negotiations are taking place to finalise the terms of the transfer.

“We have some players who are out, like Paul Caddis who wants to stay at Birmingham and Birmingham want to keep him, so we are talking and we will see if we can go through early in January,” he said.

It is uncertain whether any permanent switch for Caddis would affect the loan spell of Adam Rooney at the County Ground, although it is believed that the striker will remain with the Robins for the rest of the term whatever happens.

One player who is set for an SN1 exit, however, is Federico Bessone, who the Advertiser understands will leave Town next month whether he has found a new club or not.

Since joining Swindon on a short-term contract in the summer, the defender has struggled with injuries and is unlikely to be offered a new deal.

Striker Paul Benson, meanwhile, has said he wants to stay with Portsmouth - even if that means a drop back into League Two.

The frontman is on loan at Fratton Park from Town and scored his first goal for Pompey in their Boxing Day defeat to Crawley.

He told The News that he would love a chance to extend his stay on the south coast, saying: “I want to stay here as long as possible and help this club. If it is in League Two, then so be it.”

The transfer window opens in less than three days and Di Canio has said he is looking for midfielders to bolster his squad.

John Bostock’s loan spell from Tottenham expires in the first week of 2013, while Danny Hollands only has a matter of days left of his stint at the club, and Di Canio is targeting reinforcements in the middle of the park.

“We have to try because there is not high ambition from the others, or maybe to take the momentum, I have to do something,” he said.

“With many players now coming back with experience and the positive lights grow, why not try to bring in players who give me some extra quality in the midfield and also challenge for some places.”

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6:19am Sat 29 Dec 12

the wizard says...

Is he referring to Miller and Navarro when he says,

We have to try because there is not high ambition from the others, or maybe to take the momentum, I have to do something,” he said.
Is he referring to Miller and Navarro when he says, We have to try because there is not high ambition from the others, or maybe to take the momentum, I have to do something,” he said. the wizard

6:34am Sat 29 Dec 12

Chish and Fips says...

Thought Paul was awful when he first arrived - looked too short and lacked pace, but he did prove to be for a season a good captain and player, good luck to him and without sounding like 'sour grapes' I hope and think we have managed or have done better without him.
Thought Paul was awful when he first arrived - looked too short and lacked pace, but he did prove to be for a season a good captain and player, good luck to him and without sounding like 'sour grapes' I hope and think we have managed or have done better without him. Chish and Fips

8:39am Sat 29 Dec 12

Ollie Reed's Parky dance! says...

Priority is to extend Hollands loan deal but Charlton are in free fall so unlikely :(
Priority is to extend Hollands loan deal but Charlton are in free fall so unlikely :( Ollie Reed's Parky dance!

8:48am Sat 29 Dec 12

mallorca says...

Would be good to get a decent fee.Yet I thight Birmingham was skint?????
Yes to keep Hollands would be good tet can see a few exits this Jan.
Still Pdc will work some magic,mind you he has made some bag signings if he gets money hope he spends it well
Would be good to get a decent fee.Yet I thight Birmingham was skint????? Yes to keep Hollands would be good tet can see a few exits this Jan. Still Pdc will work some magic,mind you he has made some bag signings if he gets money hope he spends it well mallorca

8:55am Sat 29 Dec 12

jayden says...

Intresting to see how shefield u cope as they have lost Miller for the rest of the season .
Intresting to see how shefield u cope as they have lost Miller for the rest of the season . jayden

9:14am Sat 29 Dec 12

smirg kcab says...

Out
Cox
Both rooneys
Troy
Caddis
Bessone
Risser
Benson
Collins (loan)
In
Mcgoldrick
Ward
Hollands
Phillips
Assombalongabongabin
gobongo
Pope

Onwards and upwards Barmy army
Out Cox Both rooneys Troy Caddis Bessone Risser Benson Collins (loan) In Mcgoldrick Ward Hollands Phillips Assombalongabongabin gobongo Pope Onwards and upwards Barmy army smirg kcab

9:14am Sat 29 Dec 12

SAPFanSTFC says...

Caddis leaving along with Bessone will free up a large slice of wages and then with Benson staying out on loan it will also add another decent amount.
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We really want Hollands and Bostock back so the above only helps - am still hoping above all that McGoldrick may be on the horizon and the above would certainly provide enough flexibility in the wages department.
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Going to be an interesting first week of January.
Caddis leaving along with Bessone will free up a large slice of wages and then with Benson staying out on loan it will also add another decent amount. ---. We really want Hollands and Bostock back so the above only helps - am still hoping above all that McGoldrick may be on the horizon and the above would certainly provide enough flexibility in the wages department. ---. Going to be an interesting first week of January. SAPFanSTFC

9:16am Sat 29 Dec 12

smirg kcab says...

smirg kcab wrote:
Out
Cox
Both rooneys
Troy
Caddis
Bessone
Risser
Benson
Collins (loan)
In
Mcgoldrick
Ward
Hollands
Phillips
Assombalongabongabin

gobongo
Pope

Onwards and upwards Barmy army
Or Martin for assambalongabingobon
go
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: Out Cox Both rooneys Troy Caddis Bessone Risser Benson Collins (loan) In Mcgoldrick Ward Hollands Phillips Assombalongabongabin gobongo Pope Onwards and upwards Barmy army[/p][/quote]Or Martin for assambalongabingobon go smirg kcab

9:31am Sat 29 Dec 12

grove red says...

It was reported that Birmingham had no money and were struggling with finances that's why they are having to sell there goal keeper so can't see us getting a good fee but we might get a good sell on fee.
It was reported that Birmingham had no money and were struggling with finances that's why they are having to sell there goal keeper so can't see us getting a good fee but we might get a good sell on fee. grove red

9:38am Sat 29 Dec 12

LionelHutz says...

Far more gutted about Benson than I am about Caddis tbh. Obviously something has gone on there that we're not party to.

We need to keep Bostock for the season - I'm not bothered about Hollands. We also need a striker who knows where the net is and we need to sign Darren Ward permanently, if only for his dietary tips.
Far more gutted about Benson than I am about Caddis tbh. Obviously something has gone on there that we're not party to. We need to keep Bostock for the season - I'm not bothered about Hollands. We also need a striker who knows where the net is and we need to sign Darren Ward permanently, if only for his dietary tips. LionelHutz

9:48am Sat 29 Dec 12

London Red says...

I doubt Caddis going will free up wages - it's normally only when players drop down the club only pays a portion of their wages
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When players move on loan with a view to perm the wages are normally picked up in full by the club taking them
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I would be shocked and appalled if we are paying any of his wages while on loan to a bigger club in a higher league
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As I said yesterday we still have some money from the "extra loan" we never secured in Nov and then more will be freed up by Bessone and Coke not bring renewed
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Then hopefully more again by moving on Risser, Benson, Cox and possibly Rooney
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Those 6 leaving should easily fund 2 or 3 decent players coming in
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Controversially why not release Bostock if not able to sign him on a perm?
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Meant to be in big wages and not first choice - then with Miller Ferry Hollands and Navarro available in the middle we could use that money to strengthen other areas needed
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That could be the difference between a good striker and a great striker!
I doubt Caddis going will free up wages - it's normally only when players drop down the club only pays a portion of their wages . When players move on loan with a view to perm the wages are normally picked up in full by the club taking them . I would be shocked and appalled if we are paying any of his wages while on loan to a bigger club in a higher league . As I said yesterday we still have some money from the "extra loan" we never secured in Nov and then more will be freed up by Bessone and Coke not bring renewed . Then hopefully more again by moving on Risser, Benson, Cox and possibly Rooney . Those 6 leaving should easily fund 2 or 3 decent players coming in . Controversially why not release Bostock if not able to sign him on a perm? . Meant to be in big wages and not first choice - then with Miller Ferry Hollands and Navarro available in the middle we could use that money to strengthen other areas needed . That could be the difference between a good striker and a great striker! London Red

10:03am Sat 29 Dec 12

STFCBourne98 says...

How will Birmingham buy him if they have financial trouble and are selling players?
How will Birmingham buy him if they have financial trouble and are selling players? STFCBourne98

10:12am Sat 29 Dec 12

old town robin says...

jayden wrote:
Intresting to see how shefield u cope as they have lost Miller for the rest of the season .
Well Jayden they shouldn't have too much trouble today at home beating H'Pool to go 10 points clear of us. (Rather be in their position with points in the bag than games in hand). Same with Tranmere against second from bottom Scunnie. I would like to think Shrews could get something at home to the Bees and Preston to stop or draw Donnie would be nice, but won't hold my breath. For those immediately below us 3 draws would be best result for us to remain in the play-off positions Dons v Coventry, B'mouth v Creepies and Stevenage v Notts County, hard to predict as there is not much to choose between them.


We've been very unfortunate not to play two out of forms teams that we owe one too due to their inability to drain water from their mud heaps, not least because by the time we do get to play them, we may have lost 2 or 3 loanees that were beginning to gel.


Lady luck has certainly not been kind to us this season, let's hope for better in 2013.
[quote][p][bold]jayden[/bold] wrote: Intresting to see how shefield u cope as they have lost Miller for the rest of the season .[/p][/quote]Well Jayden they shouldn't have too much trouble today at home beating H'Pool to go 10 points clear of us. (Rather be in their position with points in the bag than games in hand). Same with Tranmere against second from bottom Scunnie. I would like to think Shrews could get something at home to the Bees and Preston to stop or draw Donnie would be nice, but won't hold my breath. For those immediately below us 3 draws would be best result for us to remain in the play-off positions Dons v Coventry, B'mouth v Creepies and Stevenage v Notts County, hard to predict as there is not much to choose between them. We've been very unfortunate not to play two out of forms teams that we owe one too due to their inability to drain water from their mud heaps, not least because by the time we do get to play them, we may have lost 2 or 3 loanees that were beginning to gel. Lady luck has certainly not been kind to us this season, let's hope for better in 2013. old town robin

11:09am Sat 29 Dec 12

Malkym says...

LionelHutz wrote:
Far more gutted about Benson than I am about Caddis tbh. Obviously something has gone on there that we're not party to.

We need to keep Bostock for the season - I'm not bothered about Hollands. We also need a striker who knows where the net is and we need to sign Darren Ward permanently, if only for his dietary tips.
Good, now can we focus on life without Caddis ffs it's not as though he was a Rod Thomas and the way some on here salivate about him you'd think he was. Get over it he was never ever coming back after his spat about PdC's management methods.
[quote][p][bold]LionelHutz[/bold] wrote: Far more gutted about Benson than I am about Caddis tbh. Obviously something has gone on there that we're not party to. We need to keep Bostock for the season - I'm not bothered about Hollands. We also need a striker who knows where the net is and we need to sign Darren Ward permanently, if only for his dietary tips.[/p][/quote]Good, now can we focus on life without Caddis ffs it's not as though he was a Rod Thomas and the way some on here salivate about him you'd think he was. Get over it he was never ever coming back after his spat about PdC's management methods. Malkym

11:55am Sat 29 Dec 12

London Red says...

Don't think anything had happened between PdC and Benson

It is simply seen that he is not a striker to challenge at the top end of L1 (exactly like at Charlton - or did Powell have a bust up too?)

He was one of our top earners last year so will still be fairly high up this year - so PdC is simply freeing up wages by moving on a player who is wanted elsewhere
.
Pompy won't be paying 100% - so a perm move is needed to gain us a few more hundred or even thousands more each week
Don't think anything had happened between PdC and Benson It is simply seen that he is not a striker to challenge at the top end of L1 (exactly like at Charlton - or did Powell have a bust up too?) He was one of our top earners last year so will still be fairly high up this year - so PdC is simply freeing up wages by moving on a player who is wanted elsewhere . Pompy won't be paying 100% - so a perm move is needed to gain us a few more hundred or even thousands more each week London Red

12:34pm Sat 29 Dec 12

Brainy_G93 says...

Obviously Caddis isn't coming back. All we need to do is shift out A Rooney, Benson, Risser, Cox, Bessone & bring in Mcgoldrick and I'd be we'll happy.

If something could be sorted with Ward and Hollands that would be a good bonus.

Controversial I know but what about L Rooney fro Roberts?
Obviously Caddis isn't coming back. All we need to do is shift out A Rooney, Benson, Risser, Cox, Bessone & bring in Mcgoldrick and I'd be we'll happy. If something could be sorted with Ward and Hollands that would be a good bonus. Controversial I know but what about L Rooney fro Roberts? Brainy_G93

12:41pm Sat 29 Dec 12

alchafreds says...

anybody know how many tickets have been taken up for bournmouth game
anybody know how many tickets have been taken up for bournmouth game alchafreds

12:48pm Sat 29 Dec 12

Wilesy says...

the wizard wrote:
Is he referring to Miller and Navarro when he says,

We have to try because there is not high ambition from the others, or maybe to take the momentum, I have to do something,” he said.
Could he be referring to other clubs failing to take the momentum, ie we are still in contention so why not have a go this season?
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: Is he referring to Miller and Navarro when he says, We have to try because there is not high ambition from the others, or maybe to take the momentum, I have to do something,” he said.[/p][/quote]Could he be referring to other clubs failing to take the momentum, ie we are still in contention so why not have a go this season? Wilesy

12:53pm Sat 29 Dec 12

Wilesy says...

Getting MCGoldrick would be a massive statement of intent, but would be amazed if we got him with Championsip clubs after him. Can't see it but you never know.

One comment I would make is that with all the money we so say have thrown about, could it have been better spent on 2 top strikers, eg MCGoldrick and Donaldson?
Getting MCGoldrick would be a massive statement of intent, but would be amazed if we got him with Championsip clubs after him. Can't see it but you never know. One comment I would make is that with all the money we so say have thrown about, could it have been better spent on 2 top strikers, eg MCGoldrick and Donaldson? Wilesy

12:54pm Sat 29 Dec 12

umpcah says...

Malkym wrote:
LionelHutz wrote:
Far more gutted about Benson than I am about Caddis tbh. Obviously something has gone on there that we're not party to.

We need to keep Bostock for the season - I'm not bothered about Hollands. We also need a striker who knows where the net is and we need to sign Darren Ward permanently, if only for his dietary tips.
Good, now can we focus on life without Caddis ffs it's not as though he was a Rod Thomas and the way some on here salivate about him you'd think he was. Get over it he was never ever coming back after his spat about PdC's management methods.
Caddis is a good player but like you I`m happy to focus on life without him. Nathan continues to improve within the PDC system and although he may never become captain material he will , I`m sure , be good enough to hold his own in a higher league,. All the best Paul I`ve already forgotten you !
[quote][p][bold]Malkym[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LionelHutz[/bold] wrote: Far more gutted about Benson than I am about Caddis tbh. Obviously something has gone on there that we're not party to. We need to keep Bostock for the season - I'm not bothered about Hollands. We also need a striker who knows where the net is and we need to sign Darren Ward permanently, if only for his dietary tips.[/p][/quote]Good, now can we focus on life without Caddis ffs it's not as though he was a Rod Thomas and the way some on here salivate about him you'd think he was. Get over it he was never ever coming back after his spat about PdC's management methods.[/p][/quote]Caddis is a good player but like you I`m happy to focus on life without him. Nathan continues to improve within the PDC system and although he may never become captain material he will , I`m sure , be good enough to hold his own in a higher league,. All the best Paul I`ve already forgotten you ! umpcah

1:09pm Sat 29 Dec 12

Oi Den! says...

I'd rather have Thompson than Caddis any day. Still think PDC could have handled the whole thing better though.
I'd rather have Thompson than Caddis any day. Still think PDC could have handled the whole thing better though. Oi Den!

1:26pm Sat 29 Dec 12

LionelHutz says...

London Red wrote:
Don't think anything had happened between PdC and Benson

It is simply seen that he is not a striker to challenge at the top end of L1 (exactly like at Charlton - or did Powell have a bust up too?)

He was one of our top earners last year so will still be fairly high up this year - so PdC is simply freeing up wages by moving on a player who is wanted elsewhere
.
Pompy won't be paying 100% - so a perm move is needed to gain us a few more hundred or even thousands more each week
But are you telling me that Rooney and Collins are better than Benson? I think not. If we're getting rid of Benson, then we should get rid of those two as well.

OK you could say Collins is young and might improve, but I think if Benson had had as many starts as Collins this season, he'd have bagged more goals.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Don't think anything had happened between PdC and Benson It is simply seen that he is not a striker to challenge at the top end of L1 (exactly like at Charlton - or did Powell have a bust up too?) He was one of our top earners last year so will still be fairly high up this year - so PdC is simply freeing up wages by moving on a player who is wanted elsewhere . Pompy won't be paying 100% - so a perm move is needed to gain us a few more hundred or even thousands more each week[/p][/quote]But are you telling me that Rooney and Collins are better than Benson? I think not. If we're getting rid of Benson, then we should get rid of those two as well. OK you could say Collins is young and might improve, but I think if Benson had had as many starts as Collins this season, he'd have bagged more goals. LionelHutz

1:38pm Sat 29 Dec 12

DarrenSTFCRomain says...

A good deal for STFC Would see Caddis go to Birmingham on a free.As long as they take back A Rooney...
A good deal for STFC Would see Caddis go to Birmingham on a free.As long as they take back A Rooney... DarrenSTFCRomain

1:57pm Sat 29 Dec 12

DarrenSTFCRomain says...

We have WASTED a very large chunk of are budget this season and
I think the second half of the season will be very testing times and it will show how good Paolo is as a manager...

LAST SEASON MEANS JACK as we were in a very very poor division..
(and still wasted loads lol)

There is no chance STFC will be signing McGoldrick..
We have WASTED a very large chunk of are budget this season and I think the second half of the season will be very testing times and it will show how good Paolo is as a manager... LAST SEASON MEANS JACK as we were in a very very poor division.. (and still wasted loads lol) There is no chance STFC will be signing McGoldrick.. DarrenSTFCRomain

3:58pm Sat 29 Dec 12

London Red says...

I don't think Rooney is better - but he's not an STFC player so pretty irrelevant
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PdC wanted Martin and needed to move a player on to do it - he couldn't move on Rooney - so Benson was the obvious choice
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He was clearly 3rd choice behind Williams and Collins
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Yes I do think Collins is a better player which is why he has scored real goals and not hypothetical goals (are they the same hypetbitical ones as Connell netted or different ones????)
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Also Collins (probably due to age) is also a harder worker - Scunny prime example see PdC comments - so is more suited to our play
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Collins is also 21 not 34 so has a lot more potential
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I like Benson - just am realistic to know he is getting on and his level is lower L1 or top L2 - think he knows that too by his comments
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Nought wrong with that and if he can get another 18 month out of it at that level fair play to him and I wish him well
I don't think Rooney is better - but he's not an STFC player so pretty irrelevant . PdC wanted Martin and needed to move a player on to do it - he couldn't move on Rooney - so Benson was the obvious choice . He was clearly 3rd choice behind Williams and Collins . Yes I do think Collins is a better player which is why he has scored real goals and not hypothetical goals (are they the same hypetbitical ones as Connell netted or different ones????) . Also Collins (probably due to age) is also a harder worker - Scunny prime example see PdC comments - so is more suited to our play . Collins is also 21 not 34 so has a lot more potential . I like Benson - just am realistic to know he is getting on and his level is lower L1 or top L2 - think he knows that too by his comments . Nought wrong with that and if he can get another 18 month out of it at that level fair play to him and I wish him well London Red

4:06pm Sat 29 Dec 12

TelSTFC says...

alchafreds wrote:
anybody know how many tickets have been taken up for bournmouth game
I got mine today there were 400 left so we have sold around 800. We should more or less sell out our allocation at b;mouth :0)
[quote][p][bold]alchafreds[/bold] wrote: anybody know how many tickets have been taken up for bournmouth game[/p][/quote]I got mine today there were 400 left so we have sold around 800. We should more or less sell out our allocation at b;mouth :0) TelSTFC

4:27pm Sat 29 Dec 12

DarrenSTFCRomain says...

London Red wrote:
I don't think Rooney is better - but he's not an STFC player so pretty irrelevant . PdC wanted Martin and needed to move a player on to do it - he couldn't move on Rooney - so Benson was the obvious choice . He was clearly 3rd choice behind Williams and Collins . Yes I do think Collins is a better player which is why he has scored real goals and not hypothetical goals (are they the same hypetbitical ones as Connell netted or different ones????) . Also Collins (probably due to age) is also a harder worker - Scunny prime example see PdC comments - so is more suited to our play . Collins is also 21 not 34 so has a lot more potential . I like Benson - just am realistic to know he is getting on and his level is lower L1 or top L2 - think he knows that too by his comments . Nought wrong with that and if he can get another 18 month out of it at that level fair play to him and I wish him well
HOW is it irrelevant..He is here on a season long loane..

And fairplay to Benson..
2 in 2
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: I don't think Rooney is better - but he's not an STFC player so pretty irrelevant . PdC wanted Martin and needed to move a player on to do it - he couldn't move on Rooney - so Benson was the obvious choice . He was clearly 3rd choice behind Williams and Collins . Yes I do think Collins is a better player which is why he has scored real goals and not hypothetical goals (are they the same hypetbitical ones as Connell netted or different ones????) . Also Collins (probably due to age) is also a harder worker - Scunny prime example see PdC comments - so is more suited to our play . Collins is also 21 not 34 so has a lot more potential . I like Benson - just am realistic to know he is getting on and his level is lower L1 or top L2 - think he knows that too by his comments . Nought wrong with that and if he can get another 18 month out of it at that level fair play to him and I wish him well[/p][/quote]HOW is it irrelevant..He is here on a season long loane.. And fairplay to Benson.. 2 in 2 DarrenSTFCRomain

4:39pm Sat 29 Dec 12

the don69 says...

Wilson's lot 1-3 Hartlepool,anyone got a bet on the pool?
Wilson's lot 1-3 Hartlepool,anyone got a bet on the pool? the don69

4:58pm Sat 29 Dec 12

old town robin says...

jayden wrote:
Intresting to see how shefield u cope as they have lost Miller for the rest of the season .
OTR said "Well Jayden they shouldn't have too much trouble today at home beating H'Pool".

Nice bit of humble pie for me to eat Jayden, Very tasty, lol. Pity Scunny couldn't follow suit, but the Shrews did OK taking a point from the Bees.

Believe we drop to 7th, with the franchaise snatching a late one, but a comfortable win for the Cherries. Big game when we go there in the New Year.
[quote][p][bold]jayden[/bold] wrote: Intresting to see how shefield u cope as they have lost Miller for the rest of the season .[/p][/quote]OTR said "Well Jayden they shouldn't have too much trouble today at home beating H'Pool". Nice bit of humble pie for me to eat Jayden, Very tasty, lol. Pity Scunny couldn't follow suit, but the Shrews did OK taking a point from the Bees. Believe we drop to 7th, with the franchaise snatching a late one, but a comfortable win for the Cherries. Big game when we go there in the New Year. old town robin

4:59pm Sat 29 Dec 12

London Red says...

2 in 2 you forgetting all the previous games to fit an arguement? Just like adding hypothetical goals in!
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It's irrelevant as he is not a Swindon player whereas Collins and Benson are
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He's here as part of the Caddis deal - so who knows he could be gone in Jan when the perm deal is agreed
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Im sure if he could PdC would have got rid of Rooney over Benson - but he couldn't - thus it is irrelevant to he discussion
2 in 2 you forgetting all the previous games to fit an arguement? Just like adding hypothetical goals in! . It's irrelevant as he is not a Swindon player whereas Collins and Benson are . He's here as part of the Caddis deal - so who knows he could be gone in Jan when the perm deal is agreed . Im sure if he could PdC would have got rid of Rooney over Benson - but he couldn't - thus it is irrelevant to he discussion London Red

5:11pm Sat 29 Dec 12

alchafreds says...

TelSTFC wrote:
alchafreds wrote:
anybody know how many tickets have been taken up for bournmouth game
I got mine today there were 400 left so we have sold around 800. We should more or less sell out our allocation at b;mouth :0)
thank you
[quote][p][bold]TelSTFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alchafreds[/bold] wrote: anybody know how many tickets have been taken up for bournmouth game[/p][/quote]I got mine today there were 400 left so we have sold around 800. We should more or less sell out our allocation at b;mouth :0)[/p][/quote]thank you alchafreds

5:12pm Sat 29 Dec 12

DarrenSTFCRomain says...

London Red wrote:
2 in 2 you forgetting all the previous games to fit an arguement? Just like adding hypothetical goals in! . It's irrelevant as he is not a Swindon player whereas Collins and Benson are . He's here as part of the Caddis deal - so who knows he could be gone in Jan when the perm deal is agreed . Im sure if he could PdC would have got rid of Rooney over Benson - but he couldn't - thus it is irrelevant to he discussion
sorry 3 in 6
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: 2 in 2 you forgetting all the previous games to fit an arguement? Just like adding hypothetical goals in! . It's irrelevant as he is not a Swindon player whereas Collins and Benson are . He's here as part of the Caddis deal - so who knows he could be gone in Jan when the perm deal is agreed . Im sure if he could PdC would have got rid of Rooney over Benson - but he couldn't - thus it is irrelevant to he discussion[/p][/quote]sorry 3 in 6 DarrenSTFCRomain

5:14pm Sat 29 Dec 12

DarrenSTFCRomain says...

DarrenSTFCRomain wrote:
London Red wrote: 2 in 2 you forgetting all the previous games to fit an arguement? Just like adding hypothetical goals in! . It's irrelevant as he is not a Swindon player whereas Collins and Benson are . He's here as part of the Caddis deal - so who knows he could be gone in Jan when the perm deal is agreed . Im sure if he could PdC would have got rid of Rooney over Benson - but he couldn't - thus it is irrelevant to he discussion
sorry 3 in 6
7 lol
[quote][p][bold]DarrenSTFCRomain[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: 2 in 2 you forgetting all the previous games to fit an arguement? Just like adding hypothetical goals in! . It's irrelevant as he is not a Swindon player whereas Collins and Benson are . He's here as part of the Caddis deal - so who knows he could be gone in Jan when the perm deal is agreed . Im sure if he could PdC would have got rid of Rooney over Benson - but he couldn't - thus it is irrelevant to he discussion[/p][/quote]sorry 3 in 6[/p][/quote]7 lol DarrenSTFCRomain

5:18pm Sat 29 Dec 12

Haydonender says...

Not too bothered about Caddis and Benson leaving if they want to. Although I appreciate their performances last year, I am happy with nathan thompson and the strikers we have. But if Birmingham do buy caddis then we really have no need to keep Rooney. Surely we can renegotiate as he is absolutely no use to us, 5th choice striker and we may be in the market for another
Not too bothered about Caddis and Benson leaving if they want to. Although I appreciate their performances last year, I am happy with nathan thompson and the strikers we have. But if Birmingham do buy caddis then we really have no need to keep Rooney. Surely we can renegotiate as he is absolutely no use to us, 5th choice striker and we may be in the market for another Haydonender

5:41pm Sat 29 Dec 12

jayden says...

old town robin wrote:
jayden wrote:
Intresting to see how shefield u cope as they have lost Miller for the rest of the season .
OTR said "Well Jayden they shouldn't have too much trouble today at home beating H'Pool".

Nice bit of humble pie for me to eat Jayden, Very tasty, lol. Pity Scunny couldn't follow suit, but the Shrews did OK taking a point from the Bees.

Believe we drop to 7th, with the franchaise snatching a late one, but a comfortable win for the Cherries. Big game when we go there in the New Year.
Yes a great result for us and we drop to 6 so still in the play offs .Have a great newyear old town speak to you soon.
[quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayden[/bold] wrote: Intresting to see how shefield u cope as they have lost Miller for the rest of the season .[/p][/quote]OTR said "Well Jayden they shouldn't have too much trouble today at home beating H'Pool". Nice bit of humble pie for me to eat Jayden, Very tasty, lol. Pity Scunny couldn't follow suit, but the Shrews did OK taking a point from the Bees. Believe we drop to 7th, with the franchaise snatching a late one, but a comfortable win for the Cherries. Big game when we go there in the New Year.[/p][/quote]Yes a great result for us and we drop to 6 so still in the play offs .Have a great newyear old town speak to you soon. jayden

5:52pm Sat 29 Dec 12

jayden says...

Noticed that 4 out the 5 clubs play each other on Newyears day.
Noticed that 4 out the 5 clubs play each other on Newyears day. jayden

8:05pm Sat 29 Dec 12

Wilesy says...

Surely there will be a way round returning Rooney if we sell Caddis to Brum?

The 2 players are on season long loans, so the sale would kind of end the agreement?

Alternatively why can't we buy Rooney for £0 and sell him to Brum for £0?

Alternatively Brum pay all his wages and we keep him like last years Murray deal? May as well, that we get Caddis money, free back up striker plus free up wages for a first choice striker.
Surely there will be a way round returning Rooney if we sell Caddis to Brum? The 2 players are on season long loans, so the sale would kind of end the agreement? Alternatively why can't we buy Rooney for £0 and sell him to Brum for £0? Alternatively Brum pay all his wages and we keep him like last years Murray deal? May as well, that we get Caddis money, free back up striker plus free up wages for a first choice striker. Wilesy

8:27pm Sat 29 Dec 12

Oi Den! says...

I would have thought most loan deals could be ended without notice by either party.
I would have thought most loan deals could be ended without notice by either party. Oi Den!

9:49pm Sat 29 Dec 12

Wilesy says...

Oi Den! wrote:
I would have thought most loan deals could be ended without notice by either party.
Not sure that's the case Den, otherwise Wolves would have recalled Cassidy early
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: I would have thought most loan deals could be ended without notice by either party.[/p][/quote]Not sure that's the case Den, otherwise Wolves would have recalled Cassidy early Wilesy

10:09pm Sat 29 Dec 12

London Red says...

It depends on the loan deal - some have recall options others don't
.
Remember it was stated that when we booted out Grella we were contracted to pay his wages for the rest of his deal
.
Also SWP's comments clearly suggested we couldn't terminate Coke's deal despite his injury
.
We may even have Rooney with no wages, which means having him here is not an issue - If Brum wanted Caddis that much to offer a player in exchange they may have agreed to pick up all the wages involved???
.
It sounds like he could be ours if we want him - so Brum could have let him come here for free to tempt us into taking him for the remaining 2 years of his contract - a "pay off" if you like
.
Wouldn't be the fits time they have done that - they topped up Mooney's wages while he was here to make sure he left - which is what I think we did with Connell and Smith
It depends on the loan deal - some have recall options others don't . Remember it was stated that when we booted out Grella we were contracted to pay his wages for the rest of his deal . Also SWP's comments clearly suggested we couldn't terminate Coke's deal despite his injury . We may even have Rooney with no wages, which means having him here is not an issue - If Brum wanted Caddis that much to offer a player in exchange they may have agreed to pick up all the wages involved??? . It sounds like he could be ours if we want him - so Brum could have let him come here for free to tempt us into taking him for the remaining 2 years of his contract - a "pay off" if you like . Wouldn't be the fits time they have done that - they topped up Mooney's wages while he was here to make sure he left - which is what I think we did with Connell and Smith London Red

10:25pm Sat 29 Dec 12

mikek says...

Haydonender wrote:
Not too bothered about Caddis and Benson leaving if they want to. Although I appreciate their performances last year, I am happy with nathan thompson and the strikers we have. But if Birmingham do buy caddis then we really have no need to keep Rooney. Surely we can renegotiate as he is absolutely no use to us, 5th choice striker and we may be in the market for another
That's a bit harsh on Adam Rooney surely he can cut the oranges at half time and be of some use.
I do agree though it would free up a move for another striker Pope of Port Vale will do for me. I have seen us linked with Bradley Wright Phillips of Charlton but would love it if our Board pushed the boat out for McGoldrick and that would guarantee championship football me thinks for STFC.
[quote][p][bold]Haydonender[/bold] wrote: Not too bothered about Caddis and Benson leaving if they want to. Although I appreciate their performances last year, I am happy with nathan thompson and the strikers we have. But if Birmingham do buy caddis then we really have no need to keep Rooney. Surely we can renegotiate as he is absolutely no use to us, 5th choice striker and we may be in the market for another[/p][/quote]That's a bit harsh on Adam Rooney surely he can cut the oranges at half time and be of some use. I do agree though it would free up a move for another striker Pope of Port Vale will do for me. I have seen us linked with Bradley Wright Phillips of Charlton but would love it if our Board pushed the boat out for McGoldrick and that would guarantee championship football me thinks for STFC. mikek

10:30pm Sat 29 Dec 12

Oxon-Red says...

London Red wrote:
It depends on the loan deal - some have recall options others don't . Remember it was stated that when we booted out Grella we were contracted to pay his wages for the rest of his deal . Also SWP's comments clearly suggested we couldn't terminate Coke's deal despite his injury . We may even have Rooney with no wages, which means having him here is not an issue - If Brum wanted Caddis that much to offer a player in exchange they may have agreed to pick up all the wages involved??? . It sounds like he could be ours if we want him - so Brum could have let him come here for free to tempt us into taking him for the remaining 2 years of his contract - a "pay off" if you like . Wouldn't be the fits time they have done that - they topped up Mooney's wages while he was here to make sure he left - which is what I think we did with Connell and Smith
What is the problem with Rooney ? We got him for a player that didn't want to be with us and we have a player that IMO is better than many suggest. If you compare his strike rate to the other Strikers it is the best.

To answer the Benson debate 1 goal from 9 + 3 (subs) for Town, Collins 5 goals from 15 + 7. Benson now 2 from 6 for Pompey so 3 from 15 + 3. Which is better ? Who is younger ? Who is more likely to last 90 minutes regularly. Loved Benson but he is not one for the future.

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: It depends on the loan deal - some have recall options others don't . Remember it was stated that when we booted out Grella we were contracted to pay his wages for the rest of his deal . Also SWP's comments clearly suggested we couldn't terminate Coke's deal despite his injury . We may even have Rooney with no wages, which means having him here is not an issue - If Brum wanted Caddis that much to offer a player in exchange they may have agreed to pick up all the wages involved??? . It sounds like he could be ours if we want him - so Brum could have let him come here for free to tempt us into taking him for the remaining 2 years of his contract - a "pay off" if you like . Wouldn't be the fits time they have done that - they topped up Mooney's wages while he was here to make sure he left - which is what I think we did with Connell and Smith[/p][/quote]What is the problem with Rooney ? We got him for a player that didn't want to be with us and we have a player that IMO is better than many suggest. If you compare his strike rate to the other Strikers it is the best. To answer the Benson debate 1 goal from 9 + 3 (subs) for Town, Collins 5 goals from 15 + 7. Benson now 2 from 6 for Pompey so 3 from 15 + 3. Which is better ? Who is younger ? Who is more likely to last 90 minutes regularly. Loved Benson but he is not one for the future. COYMR Oxon-Red

11:20pm Sat 29 Dec 12

Oi Den! says...

Wilesy wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
I would have thought most loan deals could be ended without notice by either party.
Not sure that's the case Den, otherwise Wolves would have recalled Cassidy early
Yep, fair comment Wilesy. LR too.
[quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: I would have thought most loan deals could be ended without notice by either party.[/p][/quote]Not sure that's the case Den, otherwise Wolves would have recalled Cassidy early[/p][/quote]Yep, fair comment Wilesy. LR too. Oi Den!

9:01am Sun 30 Dec 12

London Red says...

Oxon the main issue is he would be 4th or 5th choice and if we are paying some of his wages it is preventing us from signing another player who may not be 4th or 5th choice
.
Pure made up situation - but it could be the extra we need to top up Ward's loan wage to a perm wage
.
Who would you rather have Ward or Rooney
.
Pope is not for me - yes having a good season - but looking at his history it is clearly a one-off.
.
The only striker I would want from L2 is Wells at Bradford - but he would be similar to Collins - as in a young prospect so not what we need right now
.
BWP would be excellent - we should have gone for him when Austin went as his goals could have kept us up
.
Think he is a bit like Benson - as will do the job to get you up but not quite at the next level
.
So would getting him be a "waste"?
.
I say no as getting up is out aim!
.
Agreed McGoldrick number 1, Cassidy number 2, BWP 3 and then Madine 4 for me
.
However, think we will see Madine in on loan - straight swap for Coke!
.
Williams, Collins, Martin and Madine is still an impressive line up
.
I would then use Storey out wide - as we have seen with the likes of Henry, Messi, Ronaldo and Walcott - player develop better there before moving up top
Oxon the main issue is he would be 4th or 5th choice and if we are paying some of his wages it is preventing us from signing another player who may not be 4th or 5th choice . Pure made up situation - but it could be the extra we need to top up Ward's loan wage to a perm wage . Who would you rather have Ward or Rooney . Pope is not for me - yes having a good season - but looking at his history it is clearly a one-off. . The only striker I would want from L2 is Wells at Bradford - but he would be similar to Collins - as in a young prospect so not what we need right now . BWP would be excellent - we should have gone for him when Austin went as his goals could have kept us up . Think he is a bit like Benson - as will do the job to get you up but not quite at the next level . So would getting him be a "waste"? . I say no as getting up is out aim! . Agreed McGoldrick number 1, Cassidy number 2, BWP 3 and then Madine 4 for me . However, think we will see Madine in on loan - straight swap for Coke! . Williams, Collins, Martin and Madine is still an impressive line up . I would then use Storey out wide - as we have seen with the likes of Henry, Messi, Ronaldo and Walcott - player develop better there before moving up top London Red

10:03am Sun 30 Dec 12

SAPFanSTFC says...

DarrenSTFCRomain wrote:
A good deal for STFC Would see Caddis go to Birmingham on a free.As long as they take back A Rooney...
Don't think you can cut out of season long loans - I think they're more formal / specific contracts sadly.
---.
With Caddis leaving his wages would be off the books more formally but we're still stuck with Rooney's...how much of a straight swap it was I don't know but I'm guessing we're still paying Caddis' equivalent in wages.
---.
Caddis, Bessone, the other Rooney, Benson and Risser would give PDC some room for manoeuvre 2 players of the level we require.
---.
I know I mentioned McGoldrick right at the start as my one main wish but he'll be at a Championship club on a permanent move in January - They want to cash in before his contract runs out and I can't see us being able to offer anywhere near the wages that one or two of the Championship clubs could offer.....this is the one day I TRULY want to be wrong! :-)
---.
Anyone know how much more rain even our pitch can take?...it's hammering down here and even the ground on slopes is waterlogged!
[quote][p][bold]DarrenSTFCRomain[/bold] wrote: A good deal for STFC Would see Caddis go to Birmingham on a free.As long as they take back A Rooney...[/p][/quote]Don't think you can cut out of season long loans - I think they're more formal / specific contracts sadly. ---. With Caddis leaving his wages would be off the books more formally but we're still stuck with Rooney's...how much of a straight swap it was I don't know but I'm guessing we're still paying Caddis' equivalent in wages. ---. Caddis, Bessone, the other Rooney, Benson and Risser would give PDC some room for manoeuvre 2 players of the level we require. ---. I know I mentioned McGoldrick right at the start as my one main wish but he'll be at a Championship club on a permanent move in January - They want to cash in before his contract runs out and I can't see us being able to offer anywhere near the wages that one or two of the Championship clubs could offer.....this is the one day I TRULY want to be wrong! :-) ---. Anyone know how much more rain even our pitch can take?...it's hammering down here and even the ground on slopes is waterlogged! SAPFanSTFC

10:09am Sun 30 Dec 12

smirg kcab says...

If willo don't score against Pompey then we should loan him out to supermarine
Don't forget it's a 2PM kick off (I did) lol
Lucky I looked at the fixtures today.

Where's sue ?
Onwards forwards backwards sidewards and upwards
If willo don't score against Pompey then we should loan him out to supermarine Don't forget it's a 2PM kick off (I did) lol Lucky I looked at the fixtures today. Where's sue ? Onwards forwards backwards sidewards and upwards smirg kcab

10:43am Sun 30 Dec 12

Malkym says...

You forgot downwards Grim lol happy new year to all town fans and posters
You forgot downwards Grim lol happy new year to all town fans and posters Malkym

10:52am Sun 30 Dec 12

Malkym says...

Ah you said backwards same thing lol
Ah you said backwards same thing lol Malkym

1:11pm Sun 30 Dec 12

smirg kcab says...

Malkym wrote:
You forgot downwards Grim lol happy new year to all town fans and posters
Sorry I do apologies
HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL
ESPECIALLY SUE

Onwards and uptown top ranking
[quote][p][bold]Malkym[/bold] wrote: You forgot downwards Grim lol happy new year to all town fans and posters[/p][/quote]Sorry I do apologies HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL ESPECIALLY SUE Onwards and uptown top ranking smirg kcab

2:18pm Sun 30 Dec 12

Davidsyrett says...

SAPFanSTFC wrote:
DarrenSTFCRomain wrote:
A good deal for STFC Would see Caddis go to Birmingham on a free.As long as they take back A Rooney...
Don't think you can cut out of season long loans - I think they're more formal / specific contracts sadly.
---.
With Caddis leaving his wages would be off the books more formally but we're still stuck with Rooney's...how much of a straight swap it was I don't know but I'm guessing we're still paying Caddis' equivalent in wages.
---.
Caddis, Bessone, the other Rooney, Benson and Risser would give PDC some room for manoeuvre 2 players of the level we require.
---.
I know I mentioned McGoldrick right at the start as my one main wish but he'll be at a Championship club on a permanent move in January - They want to cash in before his contract runs out and I can't see us being able to offer anywhere near the wages that one or two of the Championship clubs could offer.....this is the one day I TRULY want to be wrong! :-)
---.
Anyone know how much more rain even our pitch can take?...it's hammering down here and even the ground on slopes is waterlogged!
McGoldrick wont be coming, Championship clubs are looking at him, Heard a rumour we're in for Terry Gornell. On loan at Rochdale at the moment but on Shrewsbury's books, 23 and highly rated.
[quote][p][bold]SAPFanSTFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DarrenSTFCRomain[/bold] wrote: A good deal for STFC Would see Caddis go to Birmingham on a free.As long as they take back A Rooney...[/p][/quote]Don't think you can cut out of season long loans - I think they're more formal / specific contracts sadly. ---. With Caddis leaving his wages would be off the books more formally but we're still stuck with Rooney's...how much of a straight swap it was I don't know but I'm guessing we're still paying Caddis' equivalent in wages. ---. Caddis, Bessone, the other Rooney, Benson and Risser would give PDC some room for manoeuvre 2 players of the level we require. ---. I know I mentioned McGoldrick right at the start as my one main wish but he'll be at a Championship club on a permanent move in January - They want to cash in before his contract runs out and I can't see us being able to offer anywhere near the wages that one or two of the Championship clubs could offer.....this is the one day I TRULY want to be wrong! :-) ---. Anyone know how much more rain even our pitch can take?...it's hammering down here and even the ground on slopes is waterlogged![/p][/quote]McGoldrick wont be coming, Championship clubs are looking at him, Heard a rumour we're in for Terry Gornell. On loan at Rochdale at the moment but on Shrewsbury's books, 23 and highly rated. Davidsyrett

2:43pm Sun 30 Dec 12

the don69 says...

Davidsyrett wrote:
SAPFanSTFC wrote:
DarrenSTFCRomain wrote:
A good deal for STFC Would see Caddis go to Birmingham on a free.As long as they take back A Rooney...
Don't think you can cut out of season long loans - I think they're more formal / specific contracts sadly.
---.
With Caddis leaving his wages would be off the books more formally but we're still stuck with Rooney's...how much of a straight swap it was I don't know but I'm guessing we're still paying Caddis' equivalent in wages.
---.
Caddis, Bessone, the other Rooney, Benson and Risser would give PDC some room for manoeuvre 2 players of the level we require.
---.
I know I mentioned McGoldrick right at the start as my one main wish but he'll be at a Championship club on a permanent move in January - They want to cash in before his contract runs out and I can't see us being able to offer anywhere near the wages that one or two of the Championship clubs could offer.....this is the one day I TRULY want to be wrong! :-)
---.
Anyone know how much more rain even our pitch can take?...it's hammering down here and even the ground on slopes is waterlogged!
McGoldrick wont be coming, Championship clubs are looking at him, Heard a rumour we're in for Terry Gornell. On loan at Rochdale at the moment but on Shrewsbury's books, 23 and highly rated.
Yeah that's a good shout!think Paolo took the wrong Shrewsbury player?Collins instead of Gornell and he cost us an arm and leg,oh yeah an embargo too!!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Davidsyrett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAPFanSTFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DarrenSTFCRomain[/bold] wrote: A good deal for STFC Would see Caddis go to Birmingham on a free.As long as they take back A Rooney...[/p][/quote]Don't think you can cut out of season long loans - I think they're more formal / specific contracts sadly. ---. With Caddis leaving his wages would be off the books more formally but we're still stuck with Rooney's...how much of a straight swap it was I don't know but I'm guessing we're still paying Caddis' equivalent in wages. ---. Caddis, Bessone, the other Rooney, Benson and Risser would give PDC some room for manoeuvre 2 players of the level we require. ---. I know I mentioned McGoldrick right at the start as my one main wish but he'll be at a Championship club on a permanent move in January - They want to cash in before his contract runs out and I can't see us being able to offer anywhere near the wages that one or two of the Championship clubs could offer.....this is the one day I TRULY want to be wrong! :-) ---. Anyone know how much more rain even our pitch can take?...it's hammering down here and even the ground on slopes is waterlogged![/p][/quote]McGoldrick wont be coming, Championship clubs are looking at him, Heard a rumour we're in for Terry Gornell. On loan at Rochdale at the moment but on Shrewsbury's books, 23 and highly rated.[/p][/quote]Yeah that's a good shout!think Paolo took the wrong Shrewsbury player?Collins instead of Gornell and he cost us an arm and leg,oh yeah an embargo too!!!!!!!! the don69

5:48pm Sun 30 Dec 12

SAPFanSTFC says...

the don69 wrote:
Davidsyrett wrote:
SAPFanSTFC wrote:
DarrenSTFCRomain wrote:
A good deal for STFC Would see Caddis go to Birmingham on a free.As long as they take back A Rooney...
Don't think you can cut out of season long loans - I think they're more formal / specific contracts sadly.
---.
With Caddis leaving his wages would be off the books more formally but we're still stuck with Rooney's...how much of a straight swap it was I don't know but I'm guessing we're still paying Caddis' equivalent in wages.
---.
Caddis, Bessone, the other Rooney, Benson and Risser would give PDC some room for manoeuvre 2 players of the level we require.
---.
I know I mentioned McGoldrick right at the start as my one main wish but he'll be at a Championship club on a permanent move in January - They want to cash in before his contract runs out and I can't see us being able to offer anywhere near the wages that one or two of the Championship clubs could offer.....this is the one day I TRULY want to be wrong! :-)
---.
Anyone know how much more rain even our pitch can take?...it's hammering down here and even the ground on slopes is waterlogged!
McGoldrick wont be coming, Championship clubs are looking at him, Heard a rumour we're in for Terry Gornell. On loan at Rochdale at the moment but on Shrewsbury's books, 23 and highly rated.
Yeah that's a good shout!think Paolo took the wrong Shrewsbury player?Collins instead of Gornell and he cost us an arm and leg,oh yeah an embargo too!!!!!!!!
Hi there Davidsyrett and The Don69,
.
Why is he out on loan...is it a wages thing?....nice to see (if true) looking at the younger players still though - given that striker aren't meant to hit their peak until 28/29 it is a good policy.
---.
Being honest the books must be looking a lot healthier if you take a reasonable value for each of the current crop of core players...probably up a million or so on what we were worth this time last year.
---.
A decent Westerly wind and sunshine tomorrow should see us ok for play! :-)
[quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davidsyrett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAPFanSTFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DarrenSTFCRomain[/bold] wrote: A good deal for STFC Would see Caddis go to Birmingham on a free.As long as they take back A Rooney...[/p][/quote]Don't think you can cut out of season long loans - I think they're more formal / specific contracts sadly. ---. With Caddis leaving his wages would be off the books more formally but we're still stuck with Rooney's...how much of a straight swap it was I don't know but I'm guessing we're still paying Caddis' equivalent in wages. ---. Caddis, Bessone, the other Rooney, Benson and Risser would give PDC some room for manoeuvre 2 players of the level we require. ---. I know I mentioned McGoldrick right at the start as my one main wish but he'll be at a Championship club on a permanent move in January - They want to cash in before his contract runs out and I can't see us being able to offer anywhere near the wages that one or two of the Championship clubs could offer.....this is the one day I TRULY want to be wrong! :-) ---. Anyone know how much more rain even our pitch can take?...it's hammering down here and even the ground on slopes is waterlogged![/p][/quote]McGoldrick wont be coming, Championship clubs are looking at him, Heard a rumour we're in for Terry Gornell. On loan at Rochdale at the moment but on Shrewsbury's books, 23 and highly rated.[/p][/quote]Yeah that's a good shout!think Paolo took the wrong Shrewsbury player?Collins instead of Gornell and he cost us an arm and leg,oh yeah an embargo too!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Hi there Davidsyrett and The Don69, . Why is he out on loan...is it a wages thing?....nice to see (if true) looking at the younger players still though - given that striker aren't meant to hit their peak until 28/29 it is a good policy. ---. Being honest the books must be looking a lot healthier if you take a reasonable value for each of the current crop of core players...probably up a million or so on what we were worth this time last year. ---. A decent Westerly wind and sunshine tomorrow should see us ok for play! :-) SAPFanSTFC

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