Town blocked in moves for three transfer targets (From Swindon Advertiser)

Not so Smart Roger wrote:
Subject to Football League approval, of course!

super reds wrote:
The question that needs to be asked is why have the football league refused to ratify the deals, something is not right here & I am worried that there is more to this than meets the eye, hope I am completely barking up the wrong tree though

SAPFanSTFC wrote:
It is a bit ruff that they've done this but nothing surprises me with the football league - we're allowed to sell but not to bring in loans despite it all falling within the financial constraints....almos

t as though they've put us into a transfer embargo without due cause as even if the sale fell through then the £400,000 from Ritchie covers the loans.
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You watch - they'll make us start with 10 men and no subs on Saturday!!
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No doubt it will all be cleared to go in a week's time and maybe they can all start training with us in the meantime.
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Excellent signings on paper...let's hope they all produce on the pitch!

The Jockster wrote:
I'm more worried that Jed Clampett and his hillbilly consortium are just that - Mickey Mouse and haven't got a pot to urinate in & the FL wouldn't let them take over Luton. As regards to finances it's déjà vu for me ala Wills & co. until Jed's country bumpkins demonstrate otherwise. The positives to take from this are that Paolo is still here and we've only lost Ritchie from the playing squad who whilst at times was mercurial isn't irreplaceable.

U REDS wrote:
So are they defiantly going to play for us. I am a little confused.

The Jockster wrote:
I'm more worried that Jed Clampett and his hillbilly consortium are just that - Mickey Mouse and haven't got a pot to urinate in & the FL wouldn't let them take over Luton. As regards to finances it's déjà vu for me ala Wills & co. until Jed's country bumpkins demonstrate otherwise. The positives to take from this are that Paolo is still here and we've only lost Ritchie from the playing squad who whilst at times was mercurial isn't irreplaceable.

stfc2012 wrote:

The Jockster wrote: I'm more worried that Jed Clampett and his hillbilly consortium are just that - Mickey Mouse and haven't got a pot to urinate in & the FL wouldn't let them take over Luton. As regards to finances it's déjà vu for me ala Wills & co. until Jed's country bumpkins demonstrate otherwise. The positives to take from this are that Paolo is still here and we've only lost Ritchie from the playing squad who whilst at times was mercurial isn't irreplaceable.

Nothing like giving someone a chance is there. Lots of knee jerk reaction like this. I am sure the reasons behind the deals not going through will become clear soon enough and it will probably not be because the FL hates us. Town fans love to play the victim. We cant have a game postponed due to weather without a Roswell sized conspiracy against us. The consortium must be given a chance to prove themselves regardless. If they fail then start slagging them off then not before. Who's today's scapegoat? Patey? Black? Wilson? Hart? Football League? These things just happen in football so get over it and move forward. Living in the past will not help.

louiscassius wrote:

SAPFanSTFC wrote:
It is a bit ruff that they've done this but nothing surprises me with the football league - we're allowed to sell but not to bring in loans despite it all falling within the financial constraints....almos


t as though they've put us into a transfer embargo without due cause as even if the sale fell through then the £400,000 from Ritchie covers the loans.
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You watch - they'll make us start with 10 men and no subs on Saturday!!
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No doubt it will all be cleared to go in a week's time and maybe they can all start training with us in the meantime.
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Excellent signings on paper...let's hope they all produce on the pitch!

Morning Mate,

Well, lets hope they train with us before they officially get unvailled next next....

Be good for them to meet the lads and start bonding to the team straight away....

Louis :-))

stfc2012 wrote:

The Jockster wrote:
I'm more worried that Jed Clampett and his hillbilly consortium are just that - Mickey Mouse and haven't got a pot to urinate in & the FL wouldn't let them take over Luton. As regards to finances it's déjà vu for me ala Wills & co. until Jed's country bumpkins demonstrate otherwise. The positives to take from this are that Paolo is still here and we've only lost Ritchie from the playing squad who whilst at times was mercurial isn't irreplaceable.

Nothing like giving someone a chance is there. Lots of knee jerk reaction like this. I am sure the reasons behind the deals not going through will become clear soon enough and it will probably not be because the FL hates us. Town fans love to play the victim. We cant have a game postponed due to weather without a Roswell sized conspiracy against us. The consortium must be given a chance to prove themselves regardless. If they fail then start slagging them off then not before. Who's today's scapegoat? Patey? Black? Wilson? Hart? Football League? These things just happen in football so get over it and move forward. Living in the past will not help.

Brainy_G93 wrote:
Still confused....why do we think we'll get these 3 players in a weeks time? Same question as earlier, what constitutes an emergency loan?

Brainy_G93 wrote:
What constitutes an emergency loan?

Brainy_G93 wrote:
Still confused....why do we think we'll get these 3 players in a weeks time? Same question as earlier, what constitutes an emergency loan?

ciclosporindorset wrote:

stfc2012 wrote:

The Jockster wrote:
I'm more worried that Jed Clampett and his hillbilly consortium are just that - Mickey Mouse and haven't got a pot to urinate in & the FL wouldn't let them take over Luton. As regards to finances it's déjà vu for me ala Wills & co. until Jed's country bumpkins demonstrate otherwise. The positives to take from this are that Paolo is still here and we've only lost Ritchie from the playing squad who whilst at times was mercurial isn't irreplaceable.

Nothing like giving someone a chance is there. Lots of knee jerk reaction like this. I am sure the reasons behind the deals not going through will become clear soon enough and it will probably not be because the FL hates us. Town fans love to play the victim. We cant have a game postponed due to weather without a Roswell sized conspiracy against us. The consortium must be given a chance to prove themselves regardless. If they fail then start slagging them off then not before. Who's today's scapegoat? Patey? Black? Wilson? Hart? Football League? These things just happen in football so get over it and move forward. Living in the past will not help.

This site takes on a life of its own with rumour leading to counter rumour and anxiety steadily growing through the day until there are some complete wrecks on here, not because of the initial article but the subjection it leads to. Lets hope we have a calmer day today and not allow insecurities create a self fulfilling prophecy.

London Red wrote:
Why is the emergency definition asked every single window?
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This system has been in place for what a decade now!
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It was just a name given to loans outside the usual transfer window - that's all
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The only difference is they are for a max 91 says rather than 6 months or a year long which can be agreed during the windows
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The "emergencies" can be extend ahead of the final transfer deadline date which is the se as the old fashion one - last week of March

peatmoor pirate wrote:
I'm no lover of he FL but in ths instance, there hands are probably tied. Swindon's takeover is still udnrgoing checks and just because we left it to the last minute, doesn't mean they should overwrte their own rules. If they did this for another club, we'd moan about favouritsism. It's not the end of the world andI'm sure everything will work out in a week or so when the loan window opens and our new owners are ratified. Like other posters on here, I'm just glad we didn't sell anyone else yesterday.

smirg kcab wrote:

super reds wrote:
The question that needs to be asked is why have the football league refused to ratify the deals, something is not right here & I am worried that there is more to this than meets the eye, hope I am completely barking up the wrong tree though

Down shep
Onwards and upwards

SAPFanSTFC wrote:

smirg kcab wrote:

super reds wrote: The question that needs to be asked is why have the football league refused to ratify the deals, something is not right here & I am worried that there is more to this than meets the eye, hope I am completely barking up the wrong tree though

Down shep Onwards and upwards

Sorry should have said: . It is all a bit wuff this FL stuff but unlike others there Poodle-ing about doesn't give me the Collie-wobbles just yet. . Lets keep the Bull-Dog spirit going as the Wolf has been kept from the door and Grrrr-eat that we're no longer being Hound-ed. . I know - Don't give up the day job!! :-)

Med Red wrote:
Hopefully the club will be asking for clarification from the FL regards the loan players. I would hope for a simple statement from the FL today, saying the loans can go ahead once the takeover by JMac and co. has been approved. Anyone know how long the approval process normally takes?

Also, has Rooney still gone to Cheltenham, any news on that?

ChippyBOB. wrote:
If these transfers are only being blocked because of FL approval of the take over, and all the correct criteria of the transfes themselves have been met then surely they should allow the players to play from the moment their checks have finished and they approve the take over. I know it has been a busy time for them because of the transfer deadline day activity, but it seems to me that this is down to somone their end not working had enough. Just hope it won't cost us any points. Paolo is a good enough manager to ensure the players we have do the job though. Just glad that administration has been avoided and with the 100 point deduction.

Is that you Lovesey wrote:
Well a bit dissapointed but these three players are without doubt the quality that we need, BWP will bang goals in at this level, Pack for me is a great centre midfielder and one of the best players that I saw in league 2 last year, he stood out in both games against us, whilst its frustrating I can understand that a club who had bought in specialists to restructure finances and had been talking about administration are trying to sign three players, its only reasonable for the football league to want the sale done first to check they aren't allowing us to dig an even bigger hole for ourselves, I expect us to sign them all next week, did Rooney move to Cheltenham or not....

Stickshaker wrote:

SAPFanSTFC wrote:

smirg kcab wrote:

super reds wrote: The question that needs to be asked is why have the football league refused to ratify the deals, something is not right here & I am worried that there is more to this than meets the eye, hope I am completely barking up the wrong tree though

Down shep Onwards and upwards

Sorry should have said: . It is all a bit wuff this FL stuff but unlike others there Poodle-ing about doesn't give me the Collie-wobbles just yet. . Lets keep the Bull-Dog spirit going as the Wolf has been kept from the door and Grrrr-eat that we're no longer being Hound-ed. . I know - Don't give up the day job!! :-)

Comments like this are getting rather dog-eared, however I do agree that the Football Lead's actions have certainly put a spaniel in the works. Anyway I would have preferred we had signed that great Norwegian winger ''Pedi Gree'' or the Brazillian ''Mon Grella''. However I'm sure Bradley Wright Phillips can Whippet in like his father used to.

Since 1950 wrote:
This new consortium haven't got off to a good start have they?

Not sure the relationship between them and Paolo will ever be a good one now in any event.

Why the hell did Black and McCrory keep PDC right out of the loop with the sale of Ritchie? Do they actually WANT him to walk away?

What have they really gained in monitary terms for the sale anyway? Reported to be between £4 and £500k with a large proportion up front, not all. Lets guess at between £3&£400k. There is the sell on to Pompey at around £40k. So Town could come out of that sale with around £300k cash in hand.

Give me a break. How can I believe that a consortium that say their aim is Championship football can't or wont put their hand on that sort of money to keep one of our best players at the CG and stop him falling into the hands of a promotion rival?

This does not all add up so far to me. Why can't the F.L. rubber stamp the transfer of those 3 players? They are loan deals, not sales. If it went t*** up they could go back.

Do the F.L. have some doubt about the take over already? Why no word yet from the McCrory bunch?

Sorry, call me an old pessimist, I've been a Town Fan too long, but this isn't looking the 'real deal, to me.

I just hope Paolo can keep the boys focused on Saturday.

COYR!

Cookie43 wrote:
Basically the deals are done and in place. The FL have said that they can not play until after the emergency loan window opens. Nothing to sinister they just have to dot the Is and cross the Ts For approval of the takeover it all happened to close to the transfer window. The players have had medicals and the deals been signed just waiting for FL approval.

SAPFanSTFC wrote:

Since 1950 wrote: This new consortium haven't got off to a good start have they? Not sure the relationship between them and Paolo will ever be a good one now in any event. Why the hell did Black and McCrory keep PDC right out of the loop with the sale of Ritchie? Do they actually WANT him to walk away? What have they really gained in monitary terms for the sale anyway? Reported to be between £4 and £500k with a large proportion up front, not all. Lets guess at between £3&£400k. There is the sell on to Pompey at around £40k. So Town could come out of that sale with around £300k cash in hand. Give me a break. How can I believe that a consortium that say their aim is Championship football can't or wont put their hand on that sort of money to keep one of our best players at the CG and stop him falling into the hands of a promotion rival? This does not all add up so far to me. Why can't the F.L. rubber stamp the transfer of those 3 players? They are loan deals, not sales. If it went t*** up they could go back. Do the F.L. have some doubt about the take over already? Why no word yet from the McCrory bunch? Sorry, call me an old pessimist, I've been a Town Fan too long, but this isn't looking the 'real deal, to me. I just hope Paolo can keep the boys focused on Saturday. COYR!

Bit unfair to blame the new consortium - they've not even been officially installed as owners yet!? . ....and they did sanction and approve funding for PDC's forray into the loans market. . Think you're being very harsh on them and surprisingly downbeat on this one.

SAPFanSTFC wrote:

Since 1950 wrote:
This new consortium haven't got off to a good start have they?

Not sure the relationship between them and Paolo will ever be a good one now in any event.

Why the hell did Black and McCrory keep PDC right out of the loop with the sale of Ritchie? Do they actually WANT him to walk away?

What have they really gained in monitary terms for the sale anyway? Reported to be between £4 and £500k with a large proportion up front, not all. Lets guess at between £3&£400k. There is the sell on to Pompey at around £40k. So Town could come out of that sale with around £300k cash in hand.

Give me a break. How can I believe that a consortium that say their aim is Championship football can't or wont put their hand on that sort of money to keep one of our best players at the CG and stop him falling into the hands of a promotion rival?

This does not all add up so far to me. Why can't the F.L. rubber stamp the transfer of those 3 players? They are loan deals, not sales. If it went t*** up they could go back.

Do the F.L. have some doubt about the take over already? Why no word yet from the McCrory bunch?

Sorry, call me an old pessimist, I've been a Town Fan too long, but this isn't looking the 'real deal, to me.

I just hope Paolo can keep the boys focused on Saturday.

COYR!

Bit unfair to blame the new consortium - they've not even been officially installed as owners yet!?
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....and they did sanction and approve funding for PDC's forray into the loans market.
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Think you're being very harsh on them and surprisingly downbeat on this one.

London Red wrote:
Can't remember who but someone gave a great anology the other day . You don't install a new £40k kitchen in a house you have had an offer accepted . You wait until completetion and you have the keys! . Thats what our new owners are doing - they are not going to stump up £500k incase the FL say no and they never get it back However - you may install a £40k kitchen if it was your house and it was likely to enhance your chance of a sale!

London Red wrote:
I guessing the new owners are not saying anything as they are not yet the owners - thus the sale of Ritchie and the blocked loans
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Would rather they stay silent until its done than a BEST Holdings style media oveoad whic turned out to be nothing
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JM is allowed to sit on the board of both clubs for the remainder of the season as we can not meet in any competition - but must severe ties wit Banbury in the summer
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He is due to speak to Banbury fans (tonight I believe - its on the take over page) so anyone local may want to pop along to see what he has to say
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Here's a thought how about the Adver also pop along to get some info???
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Like others what we really need to know is why AB pulled the plug now?
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I get he wanted out no issue with that - but why agree a loss only to back out halfway through the year
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All actions have gone against earlier comments so could the truth actually come out now?

Wilesy wrote:
Hopefully the consortium, whoever they may be, will have learnt from the failed Luton attempt and will not be trying the same trick twice. They must be aware of why that failed and have changed tactics accordingly for the Swindon attempt. They must have put in a bit of money too if we are after the three players in question, although in reality we are simply replacing Ritchie with Green, Hollands with Pack, and Benson with BWP. Wages of L Rooney also off the books with the Pack switch. Presumably Martin will now return to Norwich, although maybe not after the attempt to get Madine in failed. So if it had all come off it may have been 5 out 4 it's not like we have gone spending crazy.

The Jockster wrote:

London Red wrote: I guessing the new owners are not saying anything as they are not yet the owners - thus the sale of Ritchie and the blocked loans . Would rather they stay silent until its done than a BEST Holdings style media oveoad whic turned out to be nothing . JM is allowed to sit on the board of both clubs for the remainder of the season as we can not meet in any competition - but must severe ties wit Banbury in the summer . He is due to speak to Banbury fans (tonight I believe - its on the take over page) so anyone local may want to pop along to see what he has to say . Here's a thought how about the Adver also pop along to get some info??? . Like others what we really need to know is why AB pulled the plug now? . I get he wanted out no issue with that - but why agree a loss only to back out halfway through the year . All actions have gone against earlier comments so could the truth actually come out now?

LR surely AB pulled the plug because he was not prepared to dip his hand in his pocket anymore, although I agree it would have been good if he'd just got us over the transfer window and gone as soon as the takeover was ratified by the FL. 2012 if you want to know why I'm sceptical then read 1950's latest post saves me relating the same points. Like him I smell a potential rat but the silence from the new kids on the block is deafening. OK until the FL have given the nod they are not strictly the owners and don't expect them to stump up cash for an asset/liability they don't own, but you'd think that they would've objected to the sale of Ritchie as some kind of declaration of intent to the fans that they were really interested in taking the club forward. So I don't see my original post as any kind of knee jerk reaction more one of caveat emptor. Final thought why all the cloak & dagger stuff about who the Famous Five are or aren't? Until I see positive answers to some of these questions I'll keep the rosy specs firmly in their case!

the wizard wrote:
I do think we need to calm down over the new owners. They are not in place yet until the FL has sanctioned them as OK, so why all the name calling when it does nothing to further their cause. Without them we are dead, buried and gone. As for Black we do not know his private circumstances, and he was obviously under pressure to sell, his club, his money, his choice. The best way forward is to support the manager and team until all the admin, by the club, the new and old owners and the FL is done and dusted. The players must feel shell shocked and bewildered, and the last thing they need is to see all the infighting and bickering here and elsewhere, its time for us to support them both on and off the field. Obviously too, our manager must be under terrific pressure and yet he has chosen to keep his own council and has kept a low profile while all this has been going on, continuing to do his job through a time of adversity and very efficiently with three players yesterday, yet that has hardly got a mention here. Time for folk to lighten up, appreciate what people are trying to do to save this club and at the same time push it forward. They ALL get my vote.

the wizard wrote:
The repetition of the same question here is bewildering. The sale of Matt Ritchie.

Black was the owner, and wants to sell the club.

New owners found, negotiations take place. Sale agreed.

Due diligence reveals a "current account" cash shortfall that will see the club run out of money while the take over is taking place.

Discussions take place on how to bridge that gap. Neither side has "ready cash" at that point in time to put in. Sale of a player is discussed by old and new owners and reluctantly agreed.

Black as the out going owner sells Ritchie, as he is entitled to do. The funds come in almost immediately making the day to day running of the club possible by keeping it solvent.

Club sold, paperwork sent to FL for them to ratify new owners. Technically now the club is in flux and cannot buy new players until the new owners are approved.

Jed pays in money to fund loans etc believed to be around £3M

Signings made but as Jed-the-Red not approved the new players also cannot yet be approved but will be if he is, and that is how we could could sell but not buy or loan new players until ratification day.

Guv wrote:
Good morning, I come bearing some good ish news.

My info today is the Football legaue were indeed 100% right to halt us from doing any business yesterday, but the good news is that the C are now set to take over, but in true Swindon ways, the whole take over is a real mess!

But we should be able to get these players early next week and A at the moment is back away in that cupboard.

It's a real mess but further forward than it has been, so fingers crossed, this gets sorted and the football league will have no issues.

If you knew the truth you would indeed agree that no transfers took place!

At the moment, things are looking better, but it is Swindon Town. who knows.

Rebel_phish wrote:

the wizard wrote:
The repetition of the same question here is bewildering. The sale of Matt Ritchie.

Black was the owner, and wants to sell the club.

New owners found, negotiations take place. Sale agreed.

Due diligence reveals a "current account" cash shortfall that will see the club run out of money while the take over is taking place.

Discussions take place on how to bridge that gap. Neither side has "ready cash" at that point in time to put in. Sale of a player is discussed by old and new owners and reluctantly agreed.

Black as the out going owner sells Ritchie, as he is entitled to do. The funds come in almost immediately making the day to day running of the club possible by keeping it solvent.

Club sold, paperwork sent to FL for them to ratify new owners. Technically now the club is in flux and cannot buy new players until the new owners are approved.

Jed pays in money to fund loans etc believed to be around £3M

Signings made but as Jed-the-Red not approved the new players also cannot yet be approved but will be if he is, and that is how we could could sell but not buy or loan new players until ratification day.

Wiz, quite a consise explanation. Thats the way I see it. Quite simple and straight forward really.

London Red wrote:
1950 - the ripped out kitchen was reflected in the price as it was reduced by £10m - via the liabilities being written off!
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Terrier we may not actually be adding to the wage bill as we do not know what percentage we are paying of the new trio - we have seen from our own loaned out players sometimes this is very very low if any at all (we also saw that with Murrey last year)
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So with Ritchie and Benson gone (2 big earners) and also Rooney going as part of the Pack deal we may break even or even reduce our wage bill
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We are also not losing £100k a week - that is over £5m a year!!!!
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We are apparently losing about £30k a week - which is in line with our average losses of £1.5m over the past few seasons
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Thats why people are interested as that is easily made up by going up - £4m in TV money alone equates to £77k a week and that is before Gate Receipts, Sponsorship and merchandising is taken into account!

London Red wrote:
Jesus Christ - I thought we were bad at judging players before they have kicked a ball
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It appears we are now worse about owners!
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Lets wait and hear what they have to say before slagging them off
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I was refused a creditcard once - does that mean I should be blacklisted forever!

EastleazeRed wrote:

Guv wrote: Good morning, I come bearing some good ish news. My info today is the Football legaue were indeed 100% right to halt us from doing any business yesterday, but the good news is that the C are now set to take over, but in true Swindon ways, the whole take over is a real mess! But we should be able to get these players early next week and A at the moment is back away in that cupboard. It's a real mess but further forward than it has been, so fingers crossed, this gets sorted and the football league will have no issues. If you knew the truth you would indeed agree that no transfers took place! At the moment, things are looking better, but it is Swindon Town. who knows.

F@$ k off down the A420 and shag ya sister ya mong !

EastleazeRed wrote:

Guv wrote:
Good morning, I come bearing some good ish news.

My info today is the Football legaue were indeed 100% right to halt us from doing any business yesterday, but the good news is that the C are now set to take over, but in true Swindon ways, the whole take over is a real mess!

But we should be able to get these players early next week and A at the moment is back away in that cupboard.

It's a real mess but further forward than it has been, so fingers crossed, this gets sorted and the football league will have no issues.

If you knew the truth you would indeed agree that no transfers took place!

At the moment, things are looking better, but it is Swindon Town. who knows.

F@$ k off down the A420 and shag ya sister ya mong !

Since 1950 wrote:

SAPFanSTFC wrote:

Since 1950 wrote: This new consortium haven't got off to a good start have they? Not sure the relationship between them and Paolo will ever be a good one now in any event. Why the hell did Black and McCrory keep PDC right out of the loop with the sale of Ritchie? Do they actually WANT him to walk away? What have they really gained in monitary terms for the sale anyway? Reported to be between £4 and £500k with a large proportion up front, not all. Lets guess at between £3&£400k. There is the sell on to Pompey at around £40k. So Town could come out of that sale with around £300k cash in hand. Give me a break. How can I believe that a consortium that say their aim is Championship football can't or wont put their hand on that sort of money to keep one of our best players at the CG and stop him falling into the hands of a promotion rival? This does not all add up so far to me. Why can't the F.L. rubber stamp the transfer of those 3 players? They are loan deals, not sales. If it went t*** up they could go back. Do the F.L. have some doubt about the take over already? Why no word yet from the McCrory bunch? Sorry, call me an old pessimist, I've been a Town Fan too long, but this isn't looking the 'real deal, to me. I just hope Paolo can keep the boys focused on Saturday. COYR!

Bit unfair to blame the new consortium - they've not even been officially installed as owners yet!? . ....and they did sanction and approve funding for PDC's forray into the loans market. . Think you're being very harsh on them and surprisingly downbeat on this one.

Hi SAP.

Maybe. However I'll stand by my comments on the sale of Ritchie and the fact that they kept Paolo out of the loop, and I do have a bad gut feeling about this take over. Smacks of panic to me.

COYR!

Guv wrote:
Good morning, I come bearing some good ish news. My info today is the Football legaue were indeed 100% right to halt us from doing any business yesterday, but the good news is that the C are now set to take over, but in true Swindon ways, the whole take over is a real mess! But we should be able to get these players early next week and A at the moment is back away in that cupboard. It's a real mess but further forward than it has been, so fingers crossed, this gets sorted and the football league will have no issues. If you knew the truth you would indeed agree that no transfers took place! At the moment, things are looking better, but it is Swindon Town. who knows.

London Red wrote:
1950 - the ripped out kitchen was reflected in the price as it was reduced by £10m - via the liabilities being written off! . Terrier we may not actually be adding to the wage bill as we do not know what percentage we are paying of the new trio - we have seen from our own loaned out players sometimes this is very very low if any at all (we also saw that with Murrey last year) . So with Ritchie and Benson gone (2 big earners) and also Rooney going as part of the Pack deal we may break even or even reduce our wage bill . We are also not losing £100k a week - that is over £5m a year!!!! . We are apparently losing about £30k a week - which is in line with our average losses of £1.5m over the past few seasons . Thats why people are interested as that is easily made up by going up - £4m in TV money alone equates to £77k a week and that is before Gate Receipts, Sponsorship and merchandising is taken into account!

Wilesy wrote:
Hopefully the consortium, whoever they may be, will have learnt from the failed Luton attempt and will not be trying the same trick twice.

They must be aware of why that failed and have changed tactics accordingly for the Swindon attempt.

They must have put in a bit of money too if we are after the three players in question, although in reality we are simply replacing Ritchie with Green, Hollands with Pack, and Benson with BWP. Wages of L Rooney also off the books with the Pack switch. Presumably Martin will now return to Norwich, although maybe not after the attempt to get Madine in failed. So if it had all come off it may have been 5 out 4 it's not like we have gone spending crazy.

Oxon-Red wrote:

the wizard wrote:
I do think we need to calm down over the new owners. They are not in place yet until the FL has sanctioned them as OK, so why all the name calling when it does nothing to further their cause. Without them we are dead, buried and gone. As for Black we do not know his private circumstances, and he was obviously under pressure to sell, his club, his money, his choice. The best way forward is to support the manager and team until all the admin, by the club, the new and old owners and the FL is done and dusted. The players must feel shell shocked and bewildered, and the last thing they need is to see all the infighting and bickering here and elsewhere, its time for us to support them both on and off the field. Obviously too, our manager must be under terrific pressure and yet he has chosen to keep his own council and has kept a low profile while all this has been going on, continuing to do his job through a time of adversity and very efficiently with three players yesterday, yet that has hardly got a mention here. Time for folk to lighten up, appreciate what people are trying to do to save this club and at the same time push it forward. They ALL get my vote.

Good post Wiz.

I think some are being a little impatient and need to take a deep breath. No surprise here that the transfers have not been sanctioned as we are, as I said yesterday, in limbo until the take over has been ratified.

All talk of funds should be forgotten for the time being. If they are not mega rich but have the funds to see us through to the end of the season that should be enough. We can assess the situation then and set budgets according to our pockets.

We have been spoilt recently and may need to accept that we may have to continue by living within our means. It may mean a few socks staying on but we will have a football club to support every Saturday.

On a more positive note, the signings that failed do indicate that the new people are keen to go for it this season. We can help with our full support for the team, manager and new board.

COYMR

the don69 wrote:
What really concerns me chaps is what happens if the football league say,there not fit and proper?(not saying they aren't we just don't know)Blacks dumped us at almost all costs(losing about £10m)we will be totally Fcuked!not saying this will happen,but it's a huge concern to me,not too worried about loans all I want is the clubs future secured ASAP!!!!!!!!!!!!

Guv wrote:
Ok here is a fact for you, the new owners are borrowing money to complete our take over, they don't have anywhere near the deal, so the club is going back to the old days, debts! You want the truth, that's the hold up. Finance! We won't be a rich team, instead we will need to sell players every season to pay back the debt. The only thing I am not saying is the mess, who is lending the money, well if you would take a few seconds to listen I would talk more, but every post is an insult. I told you no players would come. The deal at the CG is mess, the rush from Mr B has left a very untidy take over, it's an odd deal, but you don't want to know? Ok then. Maybe some of you are thinking, actually, their is substance, you know, when you all settle down, I could actually inform you all a lot of detail, but Ill wait the raf of attacks.

jayden wrote:

The Jockster wrote: I'm more worried that Jed Clampett and his hillbilly consortium are just that - Mickey Mouse and haven't got a pot to urinate in & the FL wouldn't let them take over Luton. As regards to finances it's déjà vu for me ala Wills & co. until Jed's country bumpkins demonstrate otherwise. The positives to take from this are that Paolo is still here and we've only lost Ritchie from the playing squad who whilst at times was mercurial isn't irreplaceable.

Morning Jock i agree with you on this i have a bad feeling about this.PDC has shown great calmness in all this not what i was expecting at all.If i were him i would have walked away yesterday but he seemed happy that all the staff would get paid this month and that they all still had jobs.

Guv wrote:
Ok here is a fact for you, the new owners are borrowing money to complete our take over, they don't have anywhere near the deal, so the club is going back to the old days, debts! You want the truth, that's the hold up. Finance! We won't be a rich team, instead we will need to sell players every season to pay back the debt. The only thing I am not saying is the mess, who is lending the money, well if you would take a few seconds to listen I would talk more, but every post is an insult. I told you no players would come. The deal at the CG is mess, the rush from Mr B has left a very untidy take over, it's an odd deal, but you don't want to know? Ok then. Maybe some of you are thinking, actually, their is substance, you know, when you all settle down, I could actually inform you all a lot of detail, but Ill wait the raf of attacks.

Guv wrote:
Ok here is a fact for you, the new owners are borrowing money to complete our take over, they don't have anywhere near the deal, so the club is going back to the old days, debts! You want the truth, that's the hold up. Finance! We won't be a rich team, instead we will need to sell players every season to pay back the debt. The only thing I am not saying is the mess, who is lending the money, well if you would take a few seconds to listen I would talk more, but every post is an insult. I told you no players would come. The deal at the CG is mess, the rush from Mr B has left a very untidy take over, it's an odd deal, but you don't want to know? Ok then. Maybe some of you are thinking, actually, their is substance, you know, when you all settle down, I could actually inform you all a lot of detail, but Ill wait the raf of attacks.

Stratton Red wrote:

jayden wrote:

The Jockster wrote: I'm more worried that Jed Clampett and his hillbilly consortium are just that - Mickey Mouse and haven't got a pot to urinate in & the FL wouldn't let them take over Luton. As regards to finances it's déjà vu for me ala Wills & co. until Jed's country bumpkins demonstrate otherwise. The positives to take from this are that Paolo is still here and we've only lost Ritchie from the playing squad who whilst at times was mercurial isn't irreplaceable.

Morning Jock i agree with you on this i have a bad feeling about this.PDC has shown great calmness in all this not what i was expecting at all.If i were him i would have walked away yesterday but he seemed happy that all the staff would get paid this month and that they all still had jobs.

Why would PDC walk away? The reality is we've lost one player, what would have happened if he was inured? Coward is not a word I would associate with PDC and only cowards walk away when the going gets a little tough and he's got the minerals to see it through...
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PDC knows he's is in a win-win situation. Get promoted in all this turmoil and he's enhanced his reputation even further, no promotion and he's a get out of jail card free, sold my best player no new signings etc...
*
Let's show a bit of calm, the emergency window opens in a week and hopefully by then the three signings will be lined up. It's a shame we're not at home Saturday as it would be great to really get behind the boys and Paolo in a real show of support...

Since 1950 wrote:

The Jockster wrote:

London Red wrote: I guessing the new owners are not saying anything as they are not yet the owners - thus the sale of Ritchie and the blocked loans . Would rather they stay silent until its done than a BEST Holdings style media oveoad whic turned out to be nothing . JM is allowed to sit on the board of both clubs for the remainder of the season as we can not meet in any competition - but must severe ties wit Banbury in the summer . He is due to speak to Banbury fans (tonight I believe - its on the take over page) so anyone local may want to pop along to see what he has to say . Here's a thought how about the Adver also pop along to get some info??? . Like others what we really need to know is why AB pulled the plug now? . I get he wanted out no issue with that - but why agree a loss only to back out halfway through the year . All actions have gone against earlier comments so could the truth actually come out now?

LR surely AB pulled the plug because he was not prepared to dip his hand in his pocket anymore, although I agree it would have been good if he'd just got us over the transfer window and gone as soon as the takeover was ratified by the FL. 2012 if you want to know why I'm sceptical then read 1950's latest post saves me relating the same points. Like him I smell a potential rat but the silence from the new kids on the block is deafening. OK until the FL have given the nod they are not strictly the owners and don't expect them to stump up cash for an asset/liability they don't own, but you'd think that they would've objected to the sale of Ritchie as some kind of declaration of intent to the fans that they were really interested in taking the club forward. So I don't see my original post as any kind of knee jerk reaction more one of caveat emptor. Final thought why all the cloak & dagger stuff about who the Famous Five are or aren't? Until I see positive answers to some of these questions I'll keep the rosy specs firmly in their case!

Jockster.

You can add to my post, as I was reminded and didn't include it, that I understand this consortium failed in their bid to take over at Luton. Eau de Rodant!

Pewsham Red wrote:

Guv wrote:
Ok here is a fact for you, the new owners are borrowing money to complete our take over, they don't have anywhere near the deal, so the club is going back to the old days, debts! You want the truth, that's the hold up. Finance! We won't be a rich team, instead we will need to sell players every season to pay back the debt. The only thing I am not saying is the mess, who is lending the money, well if you would take a few seconds to listen I would talk more, but every post is an insult. I told you no players would come. The deal at the CG is mess, the rush from Mr B has left a very untidy take over, it's an odd deal, but you don't want to know? Ok then. Maybe some of you are thinking, actually, their is substance, you know, when you all settle down, I could actually inform you all a lot of detail, but Ill wait the raf of attacks.

For crying out loud. You're like a crossed between Lord Haw Haw (for the older members) and The Riddler!

You change your story with every post, most of what you have said has been total crap and you seem to enjoy being malicious.

As another poster has said, contribute by all means and if you are a real fan, then great, but this is all wearing a bit thin now.

SAPFanSTFC wrote:

Oxon-Red wrote:

the wizard wrote: I do think we need to calm down over the new owners. They are not in place yet until the FL has sanctioned them as OK, so why all the name calling when it does nothing to further their cause. Without them we are dead, buried and gone. As for Black we do not know his private circumstances, and he was obviously under pressure to sell, his club, his money, his choice. The best way forward is to support the manager and team until all the admin, by the club, the new and old owners and the FL is done and dusted. The players must feel shell shocked and bewildered, and the last thing they need is to see all the infighting and bickering here and elsewhere, its time for us to support them both on and off the field. Obviously too, our manager must be under terrific pressure and yet he has chosen to keep his own council and has kept a low profile while all this has been going on, continuing to do his job through a time of adversity and very efficiently with three players yesterday, yet that has hardly got a mention here. Time for folk to lighten up, appreciate what people are trying to do to save this club and at the same time push it forward. They ALL get my vote.

Good post Wiz. I think some are being a little impatient and need to take a deep breath. No surprise here that the transfers have not been sanctioned as we are, as I said yesterday, in limbo until the take over has been ratified. All talk of funds should be forgotten for the time being. If they are not mega rich but have the funds to see us through to the end of the season that should be enough. We can assess the situation then and set budgets according to our pockets. We have been spoilt recently and may need to accept that we may have to continue by living within our means. It may mean a few socks staying on but we will have a football club to support every Saturday. On a more positive note, the signings that failed do indicate that the new people are keen to go for it this season. We can help with our full support for the team, manager and new board. COYMR

There are definitely two camps here and I'm in the 'Optimists' camp....you have to be an optimist to be a true Town fan! :-) ---- The Pessimist may well be proved right in the end but the Optimist has by far the better journey!! ---- ...I'd prefer to smile while I'm walking and before I see the bog rather than being miserable and worrying about meteorite strikes, tidal waves, bombs and then finding I'm stood in a bog! ---- :-) Happy Days folks!!!

the wizard wrote:
The repetition of the same question here is bewildering. The sale of Matt Ritchie.

Black was the owner, and wants to sell the club.

New owners found, negotiations take place. Sale agreed.

Due diligence reveals a "current account" cash shortfall that will see the club run out of money while the take over is taking place.

Discussions take place on how to bridge that gap. Neither side has "ready cash" at that point in time to put in. Sale of a player is discussed by old and new owners and reluctantly agreed.

Black as the out going owner sells Ritchie, as he is entitled to do. The funds come in almost immediately making the day to day running of the club possible by keeping it solvent.

Club sold, paperwork sent to FL for them to ratify new owners. Technically now the club is in flux and cannot buy new players until the new owners are approved.

Jed pays in money to fund loans etc believed to be around £3M

Signings made but as Jed-the-Red not approved the new players also cannot yet be approved but will be if he is, and that is how we could could sell but not buy or loan new players until ratification day.

Oxon-Red wrote:

SAPFanSTFC wrote:

Oxon-Red wrote:

the wizard wrote: I do think we need to calm down over the new owners. They are not in place yet until the FL has sanctioned them as OK, so why all the name calling when it does nothing to further their cause. Without them we are dead, buried and gone. As for Black we do not know his private circumstances, and he was obviously under pressure to sell, his club, his money, his choice. The best way forward is to support the manager and team until all the admin, by the club, the new and old owners and the FL is done and dusted. The players must feel shell shocked and bewildered, and the last thing they need is to see all the infighting and bickering here and elsewhere, its time for us to support them both on and off the field. Obviously too, our manager must be under terrific pressure and yet he has chosen to keep his own council and has kept a low profile while all this has been going on, continuing to do his job through a time of adversity and very efficiently with three players yesterday, yet that has hardly got a mention here. Time for folk to lighten up, appreciate what people are trying to do to save this club and at the same time push it forward. They ALL get my vote.

Good post Wiz. I think some are being a little impatient and need to take a deep breath. No surprise here that the transfers have not been sanctioned as we are, as I said yesterday, in limbo until the take over has been ratified. All talk of funds should be forgotten for the time being. If they are not mega rich but have the funds to see us through to the end of the season that should be enough. We can assess the situation then and set budgets according to our pockets. We have been spoilt recently and may need to accept that we may have to continue by living within our means. It may mean a few socks staying on but we will have a football club to support every Saturday. On a more positive note, the signings that failed do indicate that the new people are keen to go for it this season. We can help with our full support for the team, manager and new board. COYMR

There are definitely two camps here and I'm in the 'Optimists' camp....you have to be an optimist to be a true Town fan! :-) ---- The Pessimist may well be proved right in the end but the Optimist has by far the better journey!! ---- ...I'd prefer to smile while I'm walking and before I see the bog rather than being miserable and worrying about meteorite strikes, tidal waves, bombs and then finding I'm stood in a bog! ---- :-) Happy Days folks!!!

I'm optimistic and believe the take-over will go through.

I also believe we have a real chance of gaining promotion this season.

Finding backers with the clout of Arbib and Black is unlikely, unless they are foreign, and I would prefer to err on the side of caution until we know more.

COYMR

dreamofacleansheet2 wrote:
Cheltenham reporting Pack remains their player and Rooney not joining them.

What I still don't understand is why didn't Black sell Ritchie for over a £1million quid on January 1st? Then tell everyone he had to sell.

Just can't get my head around it at all.

swwindon61uk wrote:

dreamofacleansheet2 wrote:
Cheltenham reporting Pack remains their player and Rooney not joining them.

What I still don't understand is why didn't Black sell Ritchie for over a £1million quid on January 1st? Then tell everyone he had to sell.

Just can't get my head around it at all.

Because he was not worth a £1m IMO
Bournemouth were the only club to make an offer.

swwindon61uk wrote:

Since 1950 wrote:

The Jockster wrote:

London Red wrote: I guessing the new owners are not saying anything as they are not yet the owners - thus the sale of Ritchie and the blocked loans . Would rather they stay silent until its done than a BEST Holdings style media oveoad whic turned out to be nothing . JM is allowed to sit on the board of both clubs for the remainder of the season as we can not meet in any competition - but must severe ties wit Banbury in the summer . He is due to speak to Banbury fans (tonight I believe - its on the take over page) so anyone local may want to pop along to see what he has to say . Here's a thought how about the Adver also pop along to get some info??? . Like others what we really need to know is why AB pulled the plug now? . I get he wanted out no issue with that - but why agree a loss only to back out halfway through the year . All actions have gone against earlier comments so could the truth actually come out now?

LR surely AB pulled the plug because he was not prepared to dip his hand in his pocket anymore, although I agree it would have been good if he'd just got us over the transfer window and gone as soon as the takeover was ratified by the FL. 2012 if you want to know why I'm sceptical then read 1950's latest post saves me relating the same points. Like him I smell a potential rat but the silence from the new kids on the block is deafening. OK until the FL have given the nod they are not strictly the owners and don't expect them to stump up cash for an asset/liability they don't own, but you'd think that they would've objected to the sale of Ritchie as some kind of declaration of intent to the fans that they were really interested in taking the club forward. So I don't see my original post as any kind of knee jerk reaction more one of caveat emptor. Final thought why all the cloak & dagger stuff about who the Famous Five are or aren't? Until I see positive answers to some of these questions I'll keep the rosy specs firmly in their case!

Jockster.

You can add to my post, as I was reminded and didn't include it, that I understand this consortium failed in their bid to take over at Luton. Eau de Rodant!

Is it exactly the same people in this consortium that failed at Luton Town or are some of the personal different?

The Jockster wrote:

swwindon61uk wrote:

Since 1950 wrote:

The Jockster wrote:

London Red wrote: I guessing the new owners are not saying anything as they are not yet the owners - thus the sale of Ritchie and the blocked loans . Would rather they stay silent until its done than a BEST Holdings style media oveoad whic turned out to be nothing . JM is allowed to sit on the board of both clubs for the remainder of the season as we can not meet in any competition - but must severe ties wit Banbury in the summer . He is due to speak to Banbury fans (tonight I believe - its on the take over page) so anyone local may want to pop along to see what he has to say . Here's a thought how about the Adver also pop along to get some info??? . Like others what we really need to know is why AB pulled the plug now? . I get he wanted out no issue with that - but why agree a loss only to back out halfway through the year . All actions have gone against earlier comments so could the truth actually come out now?

LR surely AB pulled the plug because he was not prepared to dip his hand in his pocket anymore, although I agree it would have been good if he'd just got us over the transfer window and gone as soon as the takeover was ratified by the FL. 2012 if you want to know why I'm sceptical then read 1950's latest post saves me relating the same points. Like him I smell a potential rat but the silence from the new kids on the block is deafening. OK until the FL have given the nod they are not strictly the owners and don't expect them to stump up cash for an asset/liability they don't own, but you'd think that they would've objected to the sale of Ritchie as some kind of declaration of intent to the fans that they were really interested in taking the club forward. So I don't see my original post as any kind of knee jerk reaction more one of caveat emptor. Final thought why all the cloak & dagger stuff about who the Famous Five are or aren't? Until I see positive answers to some of these questions I'll keep the rosy specs firmly in their case!

Jockster. You can add to my post, as I was reminded and didn't include it, that I understand this consortium failed in their bid to take over at Luton. Eau de Rodant!

Is it exactly the same people in this consortium that failed at Luton Town or are some of the personal different?

How does anyone know? Nobody knows who the famous five are and for certain I dont know who comprised the unsuccessful Luton bid the only common denominator being Jed McCrory!

Oi Den! wrote:
I think anyone who reckons this is just a case of waiting for rubber-stamping might be in for a rude awakening. This whole business is very smelly. And before slagging off the Football League, consider for a moment that these precautions are not just formalities, they are there to protect us as nuch as anything else. This new consortium might be coming in with bags of legitimate funding, or they might be something else entirely. Until we know their status for sure, I am very glad that the Football League are doing their duty in protecting us and the game in general. Who wants to be happy for a few days and then find that we have no club left? That might be an extreme scenario but it's not completely impossible. As to the question "why are we allowed to sell but not buy?", I would have thought the answer is obvious.

jayden wrote:

Stratton Red wrote:

jayden wrote:

The Jockster wrote: I'm more worried that Jed Clampett and his hillbilly consortium are just that - Mickey Mouse and haven't got a pot to urinate in & the FL wouldn't let them take over Luton. As regards to finances it's déjà vu for me ala Wills & co. until Jed's country bumpkins demonstrate otherwise. The positives to take from this are that Paolo is still here and we've only lost Ritchie from the playing squad who whilst at times was mercurial isn't irreplaceable.

Morning Jock i agree with you on this i have a bad feeling about this.PDC has shown great calmness in all this not what i was expecting at all.If i were him i would have walked away yesterday but he seemed happy that all the staff would get paid this month and that they all still had jobs.

Why would PDC walk away? The reality is we've lost one player, what would have happened if he was inured? Coward is not a word I would associate with PDC and only cowards walk away when the going gets a little tough and he's got the minerals to see it through... * PDC knows he's is in a win-win situation. Get promoted in all this turmoil and he's enhanced his reputation even further, no promotion and he's a get out of jail card free, sold my best player no new signings etc... * Let's show a bit of calm, the emergency window opens in a week and hopefully by then the three signings will be lined up. It's a shame we're not at home Saturday as it would be great to really get behind the boys and Paolo in a real show of support...

Please read what i posted again i think you will find you just half looked at the post.

Oi Den! wrote:
I think anyone who reckons this is just a case of waiting for rubber-stamping might be in for a rude awakening. This whole business is very smelly. And before slagging off the Football League, consider for a moment that these precautions are not just formalities, they are there to protect us as nuch as anything else. This new consortium might be coming in with bags of legitimate funding, or they might be something else entirely. Until we know their status for sure, I am very glad that the Football League are doing their duty in protecting us and the game in general. Who wants to be happy for a few days and then find that we have no club left? That might be an extreme scenario but it's not completely impossible. As to the question "why are we allowed to sell but not buy?", I would have thought the answer is obvious.

Guv wrote:
Good morning, I come bearing some good ish news. My info today is the Football legaue were indeed 100% right to halt us from doing any business yesterday, but the good news is that the C are now set to take over, but in true Swindon ways, the whole take over is a real mess! But we should be able to get these players early next week and A at the moment is back away in that cupboard. It's a real mess but further forward than it has been, so fingers crossed, this gets sorted and the football league will have no issues. If you knew the truth you would indeed agree that no transfers took place! At the moment, things are looking better, but it is Swindon Town. who knows.

old town robin wrote:
What's happened to patey, is he now out the loop along with the rest of the board

Stratton Red wrote:

jayden wrote:

Stratton Red wrote:

jayden wrote:

The Jockster wrote: I'm more worried that Jed Clampett and his hillbilly consortium are just that - Mickey Mouse and haven't got a pot to urinate in & the FL wouldn't let them take over Luton. As regards to finances it's déjà vu for me ala Wills & co. until Jed's country bumpkins demonstrate otherwise. The positives to take from this are that Paolo is still here and we've only lost Ritchie from the playing squad who whilst at times was mercurial isn't irreplaceable.

Morning Jock i agree with you on this i have a bad feeling about this.PDC has shown great calmness in all this not what i was expecting at all.If i were him i would have walked away yesterday but he seemed happy that all the staff would get paid this month and that they all still had jobs.

Why would PDC walk away? The reality is we've lost one player, what would have happened if he was inured? Coward is not a word I would associate with PDC and only cowards walk away when the going gets a little tough and he's got the minerals to see it through... * PDC knows he's is in a win-win situation. Get promoted in all this turmoil and he's enhanced his reputation even further, no promotion and he's a get out of jail card free, sold my best player no new signings etc... * Let's show a bit of calm, the emergency window opens in a week and hopefully by then the three signings will be lined up. It's a shame we're not at home Saturday as it would be great to really get behind the boys and Paolo in a real show of support...

Please read what i posted again i think you will find you just half looked at the post.

re-read. "If I were him I would have walked away", quite clear and was responding to this - why would he...

The Jockster wrote:

swwindon61uk wrote:

Since 1950 wrote:

The Jockster wrote:

London Red wrote: I guessing the new owners are not saying anything as they are not yet the owners - thus the sale of Ritchie and the blocked loans . Would rather they stay silent until its done than a BEST Holdings style media oveoad whic turned out to be nothing . JM is allowed to sit on the board of both clubs for the remainder of the season as we can not meet in any competition - but must severe ties wit Banbury in the summer . He is due to speak to Banbury fans (tonight I believe - its on the take over page) so anyone local may want to pop along to see what he has to say . Here's a thought how about the Adver also pop along to get some info??? . Like others what we really need to know is why AB pulled the plug now? . I get he wanted out no issue with that - but why agree a loss only to back out halfway through the year . All actions have gone against earlier comments so could the truth actually come out now?

LR surely AB pulled the plug because he was not prepared to dip his hand in his pocket anymore, although I agree it would have been good if he'd just got us over the transfer window and gone as soon as the takeover was ratified by the FL. 2012 if you want to know why I'm sceptical then read 1950's latest post saves me relating the same points. Like him I smell a potential rat but the silence from the new kids on the block is deafening. OK until the FL have given the nod they are not strictly the owners and don't expect them to stump up cash for an asset/liability they don't own, but you'd think that they would've objected to the sale of Ritchie as some kind of declaration of intent to the fans that they were really interested in taking the club forward. So I don't see my original post as any kind of knee jerk reaction more one of caveat emptor. Final thought why all the cloak & dagger stuff about who the Famous Five are or aren't? Until I see positive answers to some of these questions I'll keep the rosy specs firmly in their case!

Jockster.

You can add to my post, as I was reminded and didn't include it, that I understand this consortium failed in their bid to take over at Luton. Eau de Rodant!

Is it exactly the same people in this consortium that failed at Luton Town or are some of the personal different?

How does anyone know? Nobody knows who the famous five are and for certain I dont know who comprised the unsuccessful Luton bid the only common denominator being Jed McCrory!

jayden wrote:

The Jockster wrote:

swwindon61uk wrote:

Since 1950 wrote:

The Jockster wrote:

London Red wrote: I guessing the new owners are not saying anything as they are not yet the owners - thus the sale of Ritchie and the blocked loans . Would rather they stay silent until its done than a BEST Holdings style media oveoad whic turned out to be nothing . JM is allowed to sit on the board of both clubs for the remainder of the season as we can not meet in any competition - but must severe ties wit Banbury in the summer . He is due to speak to Banbury fans (tonight I believe - its on the take over page) so anyone local may want to pop along to see what he has to say . Here's a thought how about the Adver also pop along to get some info??? . Like others what we really need to know is why AB pulled the plug now? . I get he wanted out no issue with that - but why agree a loss only to back out halfway through the year . All actions have gone against earlier comments so could the truth actually come out now?

LR surely AB pulled the plug because he was not prepared to dip his hand in his pocket anymore, although I agree it would have been good if he'd just got us over the transfer window and gone as soon as the takeover was ratified by the FL. 2012 if you want to know why I'm sceptical then read 1950's latest post saves me relating the same points. Like him I smell a potential rat but the silence from the new kids on the block is deafening. OK until the FL have given the nod they are not strictly the owners and don't expect them to stump up cash for an asset/liability they don't own, but you'd think that they would've objected to the sale of Ritchie as some kind of declaration of intent to the fans that they were really interested in taking the club forward. So I don't see my original post as any kind of knee jerk reaction more one of caveat emptor. Final thought why all the cloak & dagger stuff about who the Famous Five are or aren't? Until I see positive answers to some of these questions I'll keep the rosy specs firmly in their case!

Jockster.

You can add to my post, as I was reminded and didn't include it, that I understand this consortium failed in their bid to take over at Luton. Eau de Rodant!

Is it exactly the same people in this consortium that failed at Luton Town or are some of the personal different?

How does anyone know? Nobody knows who the famous five are and for certain I dont know who comprised the unsuccessful Luton bid the only common denominator being Jed McCrory!

Jock this is a name i have heared mentioned twice now William Carson.

Pewsham Red wrote:
The silence is deafening and the lack of explanation or comment from the club is leading to speculation, not helped by clowns like Guv.

A short statement from SOMEONE would help allay any fears, or confirm we have something to be fearful about.

LeGod wrote:
Si i've done a bit of research on Jed and it appears he has alot of contacts in Management funding comapnies mainly in the states. Obviously i realise he is the voice for the consortium and he seems to be quite a well liked individual and has been successful at what he does business wise.
So like all of us we dont know who the famous five are and whether it is any of the companies that are listed as funding companies i guess only time will tell.

Like all people Watkins has his one minute on air this morning would be nice if a proper statement is put out or is it a case of sod the fans weve done our bit now lets wait for the FL to do their due diligence.

I get the impression that it is the latter.
Totally unbelievable the lack of news coming out of the club and putting something on the website and shouldnt the adver be chasing them for a statment as well or is Sam gone to bed as he was up late last night.

If your a journalist i thought you lot were always snooping around at al times of noght and day so give us something!!!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!!!!

the wizard wrote:
Oh for the grace of the good lord, CHEER UP YOU LOT.
At least we still have a club, a team to support and the manager is trying his best to be positive, constructive and win games. Meanwhile some of you are almost hoping wishing and willing gloom and doom to happen. Lighten up and be careful for what you wish for. Smelling rats ???? well the dog is always first to smell his own wind !!!

the wizard wrote:
Oh for the grace of the good lord, CHEER UP YOU LOT.
At least we still have a club, a team to support and the manager is trying his best to be positive, constructive and win games. Meanwhile some of you are almost hoping wishing and willing gloom and doom to happen. Lighten up and be careful for what you wish for. Smelling rats ???? well the dog is always first to smell his own wind !!!

John Young's Grumpy wrote:
Listen in everybody I have the truth!

Guv is 47 and still lives with his mum.

Guv has a mental age of 14.

Guv is a footballing and financial expert.

Guv is in cahoots with the FL paper.

It's true I tell you, I have it from very relaible sources who I can't divulge.....

....becuase they don't really exist and I made it all up.... like Guv does.

the wizard wrote:
People on here are asking for a statement from the club ? saying what exactly ? The employees at the club are no doubt bound by rules and regs. they cannot tell us anything we don't already know. Some things have been explained many times over yet still the same people bang out the same questions or statements that are way wide of the mark.
I had already made arrangements for tomorrow some months ago, had I not I would have willingly been at Crawley in full voice and song getting behind the team because right now that is the best thing to do, and show them, the management team and anyone/everyone else that we are still behind the players etc. The best thing to do is show our support as opposed to all the gloom and doom here. The admin stuff is out of our hands and we can't change, later or influence any of that. As and when the new guys take charge I hope a few here will apologise for the comments made over the last few days. At first I thought they looked a bit cowboy but further research as others have done proves otherwise. I wish them every success and the club a bright future.

jayden wrote:
I now know 3 of the new guys or do i? I have done some snooping this afternoon.

jayden wrote:
I now know 3 of the new guys or do i? I have done some snooping this afternoon.

jayden wrote:
I now know 3 of the new guys or do i? I have done some snooping this afternoon.

The Jockster wrote:

the wizard wrote:
People on here are asking for a statement from the club ? saying what exactly ? The employees at the club are no doubt bound by rules and regs. they cannot tell us anything we don't already know. Some things have been explained many times over yet still the same people bang out the same questions or statements that are way wide of the mark.
I had already made arrangements for tomorrow some months ago, had I not I would have willingly been at Crawley in full voice and song getting behind the team because right now that is the best thing to do, and show them, the management team and anyone/everyone else that we are still behind the players etc. The best thing to do is show our support as opposed to all the gloom and doom here. The admin stuff is out of our hands and we can't change, later or influence any of that. As and when the new guys take charge I hope a few here will apologise for the comments made over the last few days. At first I thought they looked a bit cowboy but further research as others have done proves otherwise. I wish them every success and the club a bright future.

Care to share then Wiz? Sound like you know who "they" are? So what research might have you done that will convince us doubters that Jed and co. are kosher?

Have to say I'm impressed about your statement of intent to go to Crawley as you'd always indicated that it was difficult to get to home games let alone away matches due to domestic circumstances. Going to give this oneamissas it's ontv and I've shelled out enough recently on away days lol! Be good to know what allays your fears about the new regime I'm sure others would be interested as well so we canall calm down as you are exhorting us to do :)

The Jockster wrote:

jayden wrote:

The Jockster wrote:

swwindon61uk wrote:

Since 1950 wrote:

The Jockster wrote:

London Red wrote: I guessing the new owners are not saying anything as they are not yet the owners - thus the sale of Ritchie and the blocked loans . Would rather they stay silent until its done than a BEST Holdings style media oveoad whic turned out to be nothing . JM is allowed to sit on the board of both clubs for the remainder of the season as we can not meet in any competition - but must severe ties wit Banbury in the summer . He is due to speak to Banbury fans (tonight I believe - its on the take over page) so anyone local may want to pop along to see what he has to say . Here's a thought how about the Adver also pop along to get some info??? . Like others what we really need to know is why AB pulled the plug now? . I get he wanted out no issue with that - but why agree a loss only to back out halfway through the year . All actions have gone against earlier comments so could the truth actually come out now?

LR surely AB pulled the plug because he was not prepared to dip his hand in his pocket anymore, although I agree it would have been good if he'd just got us over the transfer window and gone as soon as the takeover was ratified by the FL. 2012 if you want to know why I'm sceptical then read 1950's latest post saves me relating the same points. Like him I smell a potential rat but the silence from the new kids on the block is deafening. OK until the FL have given the nod they are not strictly the owners and don't expect them to stump up cash for an asset/liability they don't own, but you'd think that they would've objected to the sale of Ritchie as some kind of declaration of intent to the fans that they were really interested in taking the club forward. So I don't see my original post as any kind of knee jerk reaction more one of caveat emptor. Final thought why all the cloak & dagger stuff about who the Famous Five are or aren't? Until I see positive answers to some of these questions I'll keep the rosy specs firmly in their case!

Jockster. You can add to my post, as I was reminded and didn't include it, that I understand this consortium failed in their bid to take over at Luton. Eau de Rodant!

Is it exactly the same people in this consortium that failed at Luton Town or are some of the personal different?

How does anyone know? Nobody knows who the famous five are and for certain I dont know who comprised the unsuccessful Luton bid the only common denominator being Jed McCrory!

Jock this is a name i have heared mentioned twice now William Carson.

I'd rather have Frank Carson -surely were not talking about the former stfc director and diminutive ex jockey with the squeaky voice are we?

ole ole wrote:
Basically, it takes up to 5 'normal' working days to say if a proposed director is allowed to take their post. As far as I can see, there is nothing about money involved in the decision.

the wizard wrote:
People on here are asking for a statement from the club ? saying what exactly ? The employees at the club are no doubt bound by rules and regs. they cannot tell us anything we don't already know. Some things have been explained many times over yet still the same people bang out the same questions or statements that are way wide of the mark. I had already made arrangements for tomorrow some months ago, had I not I would have willingly been at Crawley in full voice and song getting behind the team because right now that is the best thing to do, and show them, the management team and anyone/everyone else that we are still behind the players etc. The best thing to do is show our support as opposed to all the gloom and doom here. The admin stuff is out of our hands and we can't change, later or influence any of that. As and when the new guys take charge I hope a few here will apologise for the comments made over the last few days. At first I thought they looked a bit cowboy but further research as others have done proves otherwise. I wish them every success and the club a bright future.

the wizard wrote:
Den, Black sold Ritchie as he was legally entitled to as the club was still under his control. The Ritchie deal was all done and dusted before the paperwork was submitted and the ownership changed. Once the ownership paperwork was submitted then we have to wait for the FL. Once the FL have agreed to Jed then the loans can go ahead as Jed is then responsible.

Oi Den! wrote:
Wiz, I take your point. If you are right, what the hell was the club doing wasting everyone's time yesterday trying to do deals they had no authority to conclude?
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Pewsham, I agree with you. Last night's statement was simply not enough. If the club believes it's just a question of time, why wasn't that said in the statement or at least clarified today? It's not the failure to sign these players that bothers me; it's what it might indicate about the general situation. If the prospective new owners see no cause for alarm, surely it wouldn't be too difficult to say so? Otherwise, there is a legitimate concern that the deal will not be approved - and we all know where the club would be heading then.

Pewsham Red wrote:

Oi Den! wrote: Wiz, I take your point. If you are right, what the hell was the club doing wasting everyone's time yesterday trying to do deals they had no authority to conclude? . Pewsham, I agree with you. Last night's statement was simply not enough. If the club believes it's just a question of time, why wasn't that said in the statement or at least clarified today? It's not the failure to sign these players that bothers me; it's what it might indicate about the general situation. If the prospective new owners see no cause for alarm, surely it wouldn't be too difficult to say so? Otherwise, there is a legitimate concern that the deal will not be approved - and we all know where the club would be heading then.

Absolutely Den. We may be worrying over nothing but if they issued a 'don't panic' statement and that all will be fine after x, y and z have been completed then we can relax. The fact they haven't really come clean and advised us of the next part of the process makes me and a lot of others nervous and may suggest all is not well.

dreamofacleansheet2 wrote:
Dear oh dear. Reasons to be cheerful:

1> We still have the Emperor leading us. (How I've no idea but this is the single most important thing).
2> We didn't sell anymore players we wanted to keep.
3> We didn't go into administration.
4> We are still third in the table.
5> We are unbeaten in 8 games.
6> We have the best defence, scored most goals and have the best goal difference in the league.
7> Even if we sign no one if we get lucky with injuries we still have a big chance of winning the league.
8> We've agreed the signing of 3 potentially excellent players to bolster our squad, including BWP who has scored a hat-full at this level.
9> Like others I've got Williams each way at 66-1 to be top goalscorer in the league.
10> Like Grim and others I still have a major chance on collecting on us for the title.
11> Like a player who doesn't want to play for the club, best the owner departs too.
12> Yesterday morning my instinct told me we were in real trouble and would lose players and the manager. Not 100% sure we are in the clear but has to be better than yesterday.
13> Point 1 We still have the Emperor.

Back to back to back promotions coming. Watching a managerial legend. Build a statue of him when he takes us into the Premiership.

Brainy_G93 wrote:
What constitutes an emergency loan?