SWINDON TOWN: PDC apologises to transfer trio

Swindon Advertiser: Town boss Paolo Di Canio Town boss Paolo Di Canio

PAOLO Di Canio has personally contacted each of the three players he failed to sign for Swindon Town on deadline day to apologise for the state of affairs at the County Ground.

The Robins manager agreed terms with Cheltenham midfielder Marlon Pack and Charlton pair Danny Green and Bradley Wright-Phillips last Thursday and the trio were all poised to move to the County Ground until the end of the season, but the Football League refused to sanction the transfers.

The takeover is expected to be finalised later this week and the three could now join Town in the emergency loan window, which opens on February 7. However, the deals are not guaranteed, with Birmingham and MK Dons understood to be interested in Green and the availability of Wright-Phillips now made known to other Championship and League One clubs.

With Swindon existing in a state of flux, Di Canio phoned each of his potential new signings to say sorry for the confusion of the past week.

“I phoned them and I left a message to them. I said to them I am very sorry. I had to apologise and say once again it’s not my fault - it’s from the other people’s action,” he said.

“I don’t want to say that you lose your image because it wasn’t my fault, but we are top professionals - me and Phil Spencer - we can’t lose our reputations. It was nearly the third time this year so I apologised, I said thank for nearly coming in here and the fact that they came in here just because I persuaded them shows you just who is the club at this moment.

“They came in here just for Paolo Di Canio. It took two minutes to convince them. They travelled straight away to come in here and in a few hours everything was burned. I called them back, I said sorry and told them the reasons.”

Meanwhile, Di Canio has said he is no longer interested in keeping Chris Martin at the County Ground until the end of the season. Martin’s loan spell expired on Saturday.

When asked if he wanted to resign the forward, the Town manager said: “Absolutely not. He took one month to get him fit and see him as an athlete as he was in the past. “Even if I had an intention to keep him, in the last few days before the transfer window finished he said to me he had a chance or he still has a chance to move to a different club - maybe the Championship.

“How and why do I persuade a player who was telling me before he desperately wanted to stay and then in the last few days maybe received the news from his agent that he has the chance to go somewhere else?”

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6:19am Tue 5 Feb 13

bowralbob says...

I hope PDC is around to sign the players once the takeover is completed.
I do feel that a lot more will be in the open next week. I only hope it doesn't become the most important topic.
The most important items on my agenda are,
Paolo being convinced to stay and STFC being promoted.
Please no airing of your "dirty washing in public" Mr. Black and other board members.
We are now interested in the future and not the past.
Movin' on up!!!!
I hope PDC is around to sign the players once the takeover is completed. I do feel that a lot more will be in the open next week. I only hope it doesn't become the most important topic. The most important items on my agenda are, Paolo being convinced to stay and STFC being promoted. Please no airing of your "dirty washing in public" Mr. Black and other board members. We are now interested in the future and not the past. Movin' on up!!!! bowralbob

6:24am Tue 5 Feb 13

peatmoor pirate says...

Fair enough; old fashioned manners never hurt anything. You do get a sense that we are hanging onto PDC by our fingertips though at the moment. Roll on completion of the takeover; then he can discuss the future with new owners and at least we will know one way or the other.
Fair enough; old fashioned manners never hurt anything. You do get a sense that we are hanging onto PDC by our fingertips though at the moment. Roll on completion of the takeover; then he can discuss the future with new owners and at least we will know one way or the other. peatmoor pirate

6:41am Tue 5 Feb 13

EastleazeRed says...

What a mess !
What a mess ! EastleazeRed

6:54am Tue 5 Feb 13

louiscassius says...

What a complete mess.

I agree with other fans.

I dont think i'm going to look for the rest of the week.....

I just cant, it hurts to much.....

I want too, obviously, but everytime i look, its depressing news......fans fending off Poxford fans.........or slagging each other....

I'm just fed up with the whole sorry story..............

Hope we get some good news sometime soon......doubt it!

I keep thinking of 'Guv'.........

Jesus, when i come to think of it, he wasnt that far from the truth really.......

Now, Breaking News:

"Take over bid falls through"

or

"Administrators have been called in to secure the future of the Club"

I hate using that word......but, jesus

"What the F*ck is going On"

Goooooddddddd!!!!!!!
!!!

Now the only person any good PDC is having to call players....

We didnt sign and say sorry.....

Jesus, is it me, or does anyone else find that just absolutely rediculous???

Louis :-((((

Sad, Sad times ahead.....
What a complete mess. I agree with other fans. I dont think i'm going to look for the rest of the week..... I just cant, it hurts to much..... I want too, obviously, but everytime i look, its depressing news......fans fending off Poxford fans.........or slagging each other.... I'm just fed up with the whole sorry story.............. Hope we get some good news sometime soon......doubt it! I keep thinking of 'Guv'......... Jesus, when i come to think of it, he wasnt that far from the truth really....... Now, Breaking News: "Take over bid falls through" or "Administrators have been called in to secure the future of the Club" I hate using that word......but, jesus "What the F*ck is going On" Goooooddddddd!!!!!!! !!! Now the only person any good PDC is having to call players.... We didnt sign and say sorry..... Jesus, is it me, or does anyone else find that just absolutely rediculous??? Louis :-(((( Sad, Sad times ahead..... louiscassius

7:01am Tue 5 Feb 13

eddyxx says...

What a disgrace, makes us look like a bunch of muppets.somebody sanctioned the moves and the fact they could not be ratified shows what a bunch of heartless two faced prawn sarnie brigade numpty's run the club. Do the research on rules and regs before you make a mug of the manager and 4 players, wasted alot of peoples time and money, misled the fans and misled the manager and incoming and outgoing players. Well done.
What a disgrace, makes us look like a bunch of muppets.somebody sanctioned the moves and the fact they could not be ratified shows what a bunch of heartless two faced prawn sarnie brigade numpty's run the club. Do the research on rules and regs before you make a mug of the manager and 4 players, wasted alot of peoples time and money, misled the fans and misled the manager and incoming and outgoing players. Well done. eddyxx

7:09am Tue 5 Feb 13

jayden says...

I hope this misery is over by sat tea time once and for all oneway or another.
I hope this misery is over by sat tea time once and for all oneway or another. jayden

7:11am Tue 5 Feb 13

stfc2012 says...

Let us not forget we have only 1 side to the story. We should learn more when people are able to talk. A manager calling a player is nothing new and it seems PDC is almost wallowing in all this. The situation is not ideal but he just needs to get on with it instead of this 'poor old Dicanio' saga.
Let us not forget we have only 1 side to the story. We should learn more when people are able to talk. A manager calling a player is nothing new and it seems PDC is almost wallowing in all this. The situation is not ideal but he just needs to get on with it instead of this 'poor old Dicanio' saga. stfc2012

7:15am Tue 5 Feb 13

robstfc says...

Starting to get really bored of this all now. Paolo needs to make a decision quickly on his future, or if he's still making up his mind (waiting to talk to new owners etc) then he should just get on with managing the team and keep quite.
Every day he comes out with something else that's making STFC a laughing stock. Now it's the fact that we only have 13 players for tonight.... Well Paolo we don't Rooney and Cox are both paid a great wage ..... So use them.... Doesn't matter that they haven't trained with you much recently, as no difference to loans coming in.... I bet they would all be playing... With very little "Paolo training" first. These are both players that you spent good money on and gave lengthy contracts too..... That was only a year ago. Surely this must be a better option than only having 1 out field player on the bench or using bedders as a striker..... That's just a joke right?
Don't get me wrong I'm still fully behind Paolo and I'd love him to stay.... But he's made his point now... Please just get on with the job of getting us promoted or leave.... The choice is yours, no one is forcing you to stay, it's not a prison..... I get similar issues at work where colleagues are always moaning about the job.... Just leave then.....! People don't realise how lucky they are until its over.... Then it's too bloody late.....
Starting to get really bored of this all now. Paolo needs to make a decision quickly on his future, or if he's still making up his mind (waiting to talk to new owners etc) then he should just get on with managing the team and keep quite. Every day he comes out with something else that's making STFC a laughing stock. Now it's the fact that we only have 13 players for tonight.... Well Paolo we don't Rooney and Cox are both paid a great wage ..... So use them.... Doesn't matter that they haven't trained with you much recently, as no difference to loans coming in.... I bet they would all be playing... With very little "Paolo training" first. These are both players that you spent good money on and gave lengthy contracts too..... That was only a year ago. Surely this must be a better option than only having 1 out field player on the bench or using bedders as a striker..... That's just a joke right? Don't get me wrong I'm still fully behind Paolo and I'd love him to stay.... But he's made his point now... Please just get on with the job of getting us promoted or leave.... The choice is yours, no one is forcing you to stay, it's not a prison..... I get similar issues at work where colleagues are always moaning about the job.... Just leave then.....! People don't realise how lucky they are until its over.... Then it's too bloody late..... robstfc

7:19am Tue 5 Feb 13

eddyxx says...

stfc2012 wrote:
Let us not forget we have only 1 side to the story. We should learn more when people are able to talk. A manager calling a player is nothing new and it seems PDC is almost wallowing in all this. The situation is not ideal but he just needs to get on with it instead of this 'poor old Dicanio' saga.
Thats all well and good you saying that, for once he is not responsible for the situation regarding the boardroom fight for ownership and the pathetic mix up on signing these players, the only responsibility is we are in a promotion position and under the circumstances we can only thank the manager and players and as for the outgoing owners, Shame on them, the fact that we are where we are in the league is a miracle under the circumstances.
[quote][p][bold]stfc2012[/bold] wrote: Let us not forget we have only 1 side to the story. We should learn more when people are able to talk. A manager calling a player is nothing new and it seems PDC is almost wallowing in all this. The situation is not ideal but he just needs to get on with it instead of this 'poor old Dicanio' saga.[/p][/quote]Thats all well and good you saying that, for once he is not responsible for the situation regarding the boardroom fight for ownership and the pathetic mix up on signing these players, the only responsibility is we are in a promotion position and under the circumstances we can only thank the manager and players and as for the outgoing owners, Shame on them, the fact that we are where we are in the league is a miracle under the circumstances. eddyxx

7:46am Tue 5 Feb 13

Helpme234 says...

I don't know if i'm completely missing the point (or just stating the obvious!) but it seems that everything now just depends on the new ownership being ratified and what assurances they can give PDC. If they say and do the right things that could be enough to persuade him to stay. His problems are with Black & Co. and perhaps that's why he feels the need to make these statements which (a) give him the opportunity to vent his anger and (b) leave the new owners in no doubt what he expects from them.
I don't know if i'm completely missing the point (or just stating the obvious!) but it seems that everything now just depends on the new ownership being ratified and what assurances they can give PDC. If they say and do the right things that could be enough to persuade him to stay. His problems are with Black & Co. and perhaps that's why he feels the need to make these statements which (a) give him the opportunity to vent his anger and (b) leave the new owners in no doubt what he expects from them. Helpme234

7:55am Tue 5 Feb 13

Swindon1984 says...

Helpme234 wrote:
I don't know if i'm completely missing the point (or just stating the obvious!) but it seems that everything now just depends on the new ownership being ratified and what assurances they can give PDC. If they say and do the right things that could be enough to persuade him to stay. His problems are with Black & Co. and perhaps that's why he feels the need to make these statements which (a) give him the opportunity to vent his anger and (b) leave the new owners in no doubt what he expects from them.
I'm inclined to agree
[quote][p][bold]Helpme234[/bold] wrote: I don't know if i'm completely missing the point (or just stating the obvious!) but it seems that everything now just depends on the new ownership being ratified and what assurances they can give PDC. If they say and do the right things that could be enough to persuade him to stay. His problems are with Black & Co. and perhaps that's why he feels the need to make these statements which (a) give him the opportunity to vent his anger and (b) leave the new owners in no doubt what he expects from them.[/p][/quote]I'm inclined to agree Swindon1984

8:00am Tue 5 Feb 13

EeeByGum says...

Cheltenham have said that Rooney is training with them
Cheltenham have said that Rooney is training with them EeeByGum

8:07am Tue 5 Feb 13

London Red says...

Agree too helpme - if he was going I feel he would have gone by now
.
I think he will see out the season no matter what out of loyalty to his players and us fans
.
Next season is down to Jed and Co and he is clearly laying his markers down!
Agree too helpme - if he was going I feel he would have gone by now . I think he will see out the season no matter what out of loyalty to his players and us fans . Next season is down to Jed and Co and he is clearly laying his markers down! London Red

8:20am Tue 5 Feb 13

oldlegtrailer says...

God the way the Adver and the fans are carrying on one would think someone has died. Get a life you are supporting a failing business - there are two ways to solve it - cut costs and move forward or shut it down. De Canio is a passionate manger but Town will never keep him cos they have no money to take the club forward - its history repeating itself
God the way the Adver and the fans are carrying on one would think someone has died. Get a life you are supporting a failing business - there are two ways to solve it - cut costs and move forward or shut it down. De Canio is a passionate manger but Town will never keep him cos they have no money to take the club forward - its history repeating itself oldlegtrailer

8:24am Tue 5 Feb 13

TerryHubbard says...

robstfc spot on with your post mate.
If PDC is really that unhappy why not resign, much as everyone will be gutted he leaves the show goes on, if we only have 13 or 14 players its all hand to the pump for tonights game that should include Cox and Rooney, the embargo proves 100 percent budget was spent plus more on top why did we get players in espescially the foreign ones with most not doing a lot and geting a payoff to leave after a signing on fee to join, PDC should have known what was what with regards to budgets. Hope we can still sign the 3 loan players in as they are all very good, losing Martin no big loss his goals per game ratio rubbish as was his touch and workrate.
robstfc spot on with your post mate. If PDC is really that unhappy why not resign, much as everyone will be gutted he leaves the show goes on, if we only have 13 or 14 players its all hand to the pump for tonights game that should include Cox and Rooney, the embargo proves 100 percent budget was spent plus more on top why did we get players in espescially the foreign ones with most not doing a lot and geting a payoff to leave after a signing on fee to join, PDC should have known what was what with regards to budgets. Hope we can still sign the 3 loan players in as they are all very good, losing Martin no big loss his goals per game ratio rubbish as was his touch and workrate. TerryHubbard

8:37am Tue 5 Feb 13

stfc2012 says...

eddyxx wrote:
stfc2012 wrote:
Let us not forget we have only 1 side to the story. We should learn more when people are able to talk. A manager calling a player is nothing new and it seems PDC is almost wallowing in all this. The situation is not ideal but he just needs to get on with it instead of this 'poor old Dicanio' saga.
Thats all well and good you saying that, for once he is not responsible for the situation regarding the boardroom fight for ownership and the pathetic mix up on signing these players, the only responsibility is we are in a promotion position and under the circumstances we can only thank the manager and players and as for the outgoing owners, Shame on them, the fact that we are where we are in the league is a miracle under the circumstances.
It's not a miracle at all. Completely over the top. We've lost out on 3 signings for a week and sold 1 player. We've had ample budget. We are where we should be. This PDC show is now just a bit much. I like the guy but its silly now.
[quote][p][bold]eddyxx[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfc2012[/bold] wrote: Let us not forget we have only 1 side to the story. We should learn more when people are able to talk. A manager calling a player is nothing new and it seems PDC is almost wallowing in all this. The situation is not ideal but he just needs to get on with it instead of this 'poor old Dicanio' saga.[/p][/quote]Thats all well and good you saying that, for once he is not responsible for the situation regarding the boardroom fight for ownership and the pathetic mix up on signing these players, the only responsibility is we are in a promotion position and under the circumstances we can only thank the manager and players and as for the outgoing owners, Shame on them, the fact that we are where we are in the league is a miracle under the circumstances.[/p][/quote]It's not a miracle at all. Completely over the top. We've lost out on 3 signings for a week and sold 1 player. We've had ample budget. We are where we should be. This PDC show is now just a bit much. I like the guy but its silly now. stfc2012

8:39am Tue 5 Feb 13

SAPFanSTFC says...

stfc2012 wrote:
Let us not forget we have only 1 side to the story. We should learn more when people are able to talk. A manager calling a player is nothing new and it seems PDC is almost wallowing in all this. The situation is not ideal but he just needs to get on with it instead of this 'poor old Dicanio' saga.
Absolutely ridiculous to suggest he is enjoying this - he has been let down badly and put the whole season at risk - everything the players and his team have worked for is under threat.
.
He has also given his word to 3 players and then due to a total about turn from Black and co. he is now in the mire.
----
Yeh!! I bet he is really enjoying this when he gets home and has a right old giggle when he gets his slippers on!
....
How would you feel?....or are you telling me you'd go tut and "ah well never mind"?
[quote][p][bold]stfc2012[/bold] wrote: Let us not forget we have only 1 side to the story. We should learn more when people are able to talk. A manager calling a player is nothing new and it seems PDC is almost wallowing in all this. The situation is not ideal but he just needs to get on with it instead of this 'poor old Dicanio' saga.[/p][/quote]Absolutely ridiculous to suggest he is enjoying this - he has been let down badly and put the whole season at risk - everything the players and his team have worked for is under threat. . He has also given his word to 3 players and then due to a total about turn from Black and co. he is now in the mire. ---- Yeh!! I bet he is really enjoying this when he gets home and has a right old giggle when he gets his slippers on! .... How would you feel?....or are you telling me you'd go tut and "ah well never mind"? SAPFanSTFC

8:43am Tue 5 Feb 13

SouthcoastRed says...

I agree that this is getting very frustrating now.

Based on this article I would assess that paolo is highly likely to stay barring a disaster with the new consortium when they meet.

Why would he bother making these calls if he was intending to up and leave? He's planning for the run in...

Coyr's
I agree that this is getting very frustrating now. Based on this article I would assess that paolo is highly likely to stay barring a disaster with the new consortium when they meet. Why would he bother making these calls if he was intending to up and leave? He's planning for the run in... Coyr's SouthcoastRed

8:43am Tue 5 Feb 13

SouthcoastRed says...

I agree that this is getting very frustrating now.

Based on this article I would assess that paolo is highly likely to stay barring a disaster with the new consortium when they meet.

Why would he bother making these calls if he was intending to up and leave? He's planning for the run in...

Coyr's
I agree that this is getting very frustrating now. Based on this article I would assess that paolo is highly likely to stay barring a disaster with the new consortium when they meet. Why would he bother making these calls if he was intending to up and leave? He's planning for the run in... Coyr's SouthcoastRed

8:43am Tue 5 Feb 13

SAPFanSTFC says...

Helpme234 wrote:
I don't know if i'm completely missing the point (or just stating the obvious!) but it seems that everything now just depends on the new ownership being ratified and what assurances they can give PDC. If they say and do the right things that could be enough to persuade him to stay. His problems are with Black & Co. and perhaps that's why he feels the need to make these statements which (a) give him the opportunity to vent his anger and (b) leave the new owners in no doubt what he expects from them.
Absolutely on the button Helpme234!
.
He's been dumped in the mire and both he and the playing staff have been dumped on from a great height with this one...communication never hurt anyone provided it is early enough in proceedings.
.
It is all down to the new owner's aspirations and what they can offer or more importantly can they convince Paolo of what they have to offer until the end of the season at least...these loans weren't all just until May though so he needs to be sure that the future is right as well....otherwise I'm sure that Pack will be back-tracking on a switch with a view to permanent!
[quote][p][bold]Helpme234[/bold] wrote: I don't know if i'm completely missing the point (or just stating the obvious!) but it seems that everything now just depends on the new ownership being ratified and what assurances they can give PDC. If they say and do the right things that could be enough to persuade him to stay. His problems are with Black & Co. and perhaps that's why he feels the need to make these statements which (a) give him the opportunity to vent his anger and (b) leave the new owners in no doubt what he expects from them.[/p][/quote]Absolutely on the button Helpme234! . He's been dumped in the mire and both he and the playing staff have been dumped on from a great height with this one...communication never hurt anyone provided it is early enough in proceedings. . It is all down to the new owner's aspirations and what they can offer or more importantly can they convince Paolo of what they have to offer until the end of the season at least...these loans weren't all just until May though so he needs to be sure that the future is right as well....otherwise I'm sure that Pack will be back-tracking on a switch with a view to permanent! SAPFanSTFC

8:46am Tue 5 Feb 13

John Young's Grumpy says...

louiscassius wrote:
What a complete mess.

I agree with other fans.

I dont think i'm going to look for the rest of the week.....

I just cant, it hurts to much.....

I want too, obviously, but everytime i look, its depressing news......fans fending off Poxford fans.........or slagging each other....

I'm just fed up with the whole sorry story..............

Hope we get some good news sometime soon......doubt it!

I keep thinking of 'Guv'.........

Jesus, when i come to think of it, he wasnt that far from the truth really.......

Now, Breaking News:

"Take over bid falls through"

or

"Administrators have been called in to secure the future of the Club"

I hate using that word......but, jesus

"What the F*ck is going On"

Goooooddddddd!!!!!!!

!!!

Now the only person any good PDC is having to call players....

We didnt sign and say sorry.....

Jesus, is it me, or does anyone else find that just absolutely rediculous???

Louis :-((((

Sad, Sad times ahead.....
Louis,

I would use a glib response like "hang on in there" but then we might find you looking for a length of rope and a cupboard. But seriously mate, how long have you been. Fan? If like me it's been 20 years or more then you should know how STFC is the greatest ride of all! Like you I have been low over this but then I simply remind myself that the club has given me great mates and brill times and that will go on whatever!

We can't keep PDC forever, nor the best players, we just hope they stay for as long as poss and add to the memories.

Anytime you want, I'll buy you a beer and try and remind you that we are the best fans, club and extended family ever! See you in the Legends 😜 🍺🍺🍺
[quote][p][bold]louiscassius[/bold] wrote: What a complete mess. I agree with other fans. I dont think i'm going to look for the rest of the week..... I just cant, it hurts to much..... I want too, obviously, but everytime i look, its depressing news......fans fending off Poxford fans.........or slagging each other.... I'm just fed up with the whole sorry story.............. Hope we get some good news sometime soon......doubt it! I keep thinking of 'Guv'......... Jesus, when i come to think of it, he wasnt that far from the truth really....... Now, Breaking News: "Take over bid falls through" or "Administrators have been called in to secure the future of the Club" I hate using that word......but, jesus "What the F*ck is going On" Goooooddddddd!!!!!!! !!! Now the only person any good PDC is having to call players.... We didnt sign and say sorry..... Jesus, is it me, or does anyone else find that just absolutely rediculous??? Louis :-(((( Sad, Sad times ahead.....[/p][/quote]Louis, I would use a glib response like "hang on in there" but then we might find you looking for a length of rope and a cupboard. But seriously mate, how long have you been. Fan? If like me it's been 20 years or more then you should know how STFC is the greatest ride of all! Like you I have been low over this but then I simply remind myself that the club has given me great mates and brill times and that will go on whatever! We can't keep PDC forever, nor the best players, we just hope they stay for as long as poss and add to the memories. Anytime you want, I'll buy you a beer and try and remind you that we are the best fans, club and extended family ever! See you in the Legends 😜 🍺🍺🍺 John Young's Grumpy

8:48am Tue 5 Feb 13

TheDukeOfBanbury says...

SAPFanSTFC wrote:
stfc2012 wrote:
Let us not forget we have only 1 side to the story. We should learn more when people are able to talk. A manager calling a player is nothing new and it seems PDC is almost wallowing in all this. The situation is not ideal but he just needs to get on with it instead of this 'poor old Dicanio' saga.
Absolutely ridiculous to suggest he is enjoying this - he has been let down badly and put the whole season at risk - everything the players and his team have worked for is under threat.
.
He has also given his word to 3 players and then due to a total about turn from Black and co. he is now in the mire.
----
Yeh!! I bet he is really enjoying this when he gets home and has a right old giggle when he gets his slippers on!
....
How would you feel?....or are you telling me you'd go tut and "ah well never mind"?
Top post SAPFan.

You only have to look at PDC at present looks very tired from all this.
He puts so much into this job and leads by example.

Pity some of the other people behind the scenes kept to their promises and plans.

They have got us in this mess albeit on the other hand saved us the first time round.
[quote][p][bold]SAPFanSTFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfc2012[/bold] wrote: Let us not forget we have only 1 side to the story. We should learn more when people are able to talk. A manager calling a player is nothing new and it seems PDC is almost wallowing in all this. The situation is not ideal but he just needs to get on with it instead of this 'poor old Dicanio' saga.[/p][/quote]Absolutely ridiculous to suggest he is enjoying this - he has been let down badly and put the whole season at risk - everything the players and his team have worked for is under threat. . He has also given his word to 3 players and then due to a total about turn from Black and co. he is now in the mire. ---- Yeh!! I bet he is really enjoying this when he gets home and has a right old giggle when he gets his slippers on! .... How would you feel?....or are you telling me you'd go tut and "ah well never mind"?[/p][/quote]Top post SAPFan. You only have to look at PDC at present looks very tired from all this. He puts so much into this job and leads by example. Pity some of the other people behind the scenes kept to their promises and plans. They have got us in this mess albeit on the other hand saved us the first time round. TheDukeOfBanbury

8:49am Tue 5 Feb 13

dreamofacleansheet2 says...

He said this on Saturday so for god's sake don't blame him for coming out with a new moan each day.

He's put his "I'm available sign" up to any other clubs, he's put his marker in the sand for the new owners, he's still our manager, let's win tonight and move forward.

Everything crossed that the pitch may not be a mud heap (but not much hope).
He said this on Saturday so for god's sake don't blame him for coming out with a new moan each day. He's put his "I'm available sign" up to any other clubs, he's put his marker in the sand for the new owners, he's still our manager, let's win tonight and move forward. Everything crossed that the pitch may not be a mud heap (but not much hope). dreamofacleansheet2

8:51am Tue 5 Feb 13

bearwoodred says...

the fact that he rang personally speaks volumes as if you were one of those three you would be impressed and it does look good. If this is all sorted it could be the action that gets them to come along. The fact that he has made this public though is a shot at the club as it is the sort of thing you normally would not publicise. Can understand his frustrations but that is management and football. It will sort itself out soon.
the fact that he rang personally speaks volumes as if you were one of those three you would be impressed and it does look good. If this is all sorted it could be the action that gets them to come along. The fact that he has made this public though is a shot at the club as it is the sort of thing you normally would not publicise. Can understand his frustrations but that is management and football. It will sort itself out soon. bearwoodred

8:56am Tue 5 Feb 13

LeGod says...

lets get all the negativity out the way from us, the manager as its must effect the players.

Lets get the three points tonight and go above Bournemouth and put the pressure on the top 2.

Come on Paolo sort the boys out for tonight we are with you all the way and then lets get the new owners in and move forward.
lets get all the negativity out the way from us, the manager as its must effect the players. Lets get the three points tonight and go above Bournemouth and put the pressure on the top 2. Come on Paolo sort the boys out for tonight we are with you all the way and then lets get the new owners in and move forward. LeGod

9:00am Tue 5 Feb 13

louiscassius says...

John Young's Grumpy wrote:
louiscassius wrote: What a complete mess. I agree with other fans. I dont think i'm going to look for the rest of the week..... I just cant, it hurts to much..... I want too, obviously, but everytime i look, its depressing news......fans fending off Poxford fans.........or slagging each other.... I'm just fed up with the whole sorry story.............. Hope we get some good news sometime soon......doubt it! I keep thinking of 'Guv'......... Jesus, when i come to think of it, he wasnt that far from the truth really....... Now, Breaking News: "Take over bid falls through" or "Administrators have been called in to secure the future of the Club" I hate using that word......but, jesus "What the F*ck is going On" Goooooddddddd!!!!!!! !!! Now the only person any good PDC is having to call players.... We didnt sign and say sorry..... Jesus, is it me, or does anyone else find that just absolutely rediculous??? Louis :-(((( Sad, Sad times ahead.....
Louis, I would use a glib response like "hang on in there" but then we might find you looking for a length of rope and a cupboard. But seriously mate, how long have you been. Fan? If like me it's been 20 years or more then you should know how STFC is the greatest ride of all! Like you I have been low over this but then I simply remind myself that the club has given me great mates and brill times and that will go on whatever! We can't keep PDC forever, nor the best players, we just hope they stay for as long as poss and add to the memories. Anytime you want, I'll buy you a beer and try and remind you that we are the best fans, club and extended family ever! See you in the Legends 😜 🍺🍺🍺
Mate,

Thank you so much. That has made my day today.

Sat ay my desk in work, just had cuppa....reading the posts....

Then came to yours......

Absolutely right!!

Bang on!!

STFC.......you are amazing.....

The Club has made me cry with hurt and pain in relegation.......

And also in happiness in Cup Finals and Promotions.....

The Fans has always been here over the years to see us all go through the tides of emotions together....

Thank you for clearing my head and making me see sense...

STFC - is but a football club.....

Nothing more nothing less

But its OUR football club, for which we love very dearly.....

And as much as i love PDC......

as you've already said......

We cant hold onto him forever....

We always enjoyed being the stepping stone club for Players and Managers alike.....

And in the meantime, enjoyed alot of success that has brought over the years....

Unfortunately, with successful times - the Ying and Yang....there has to be unsuccessful times........

But hey, buy me a pint this Sat mate, I'll buy you one back......

Would be nice to keep in touch mate.....

COYR'ssssss

Louis :-))))))
[quote][p][bold]John Young's Grumpy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]louiscassius[/bold] wrote: What a complete mess. I agree with other fans. I dont think i'm going to look for the rest of the week..... I just cant, it hurts to much..... I want too, obviously, but everytime i look, its depressing news......fans fending off Poxford fans.........or slagging each other.... I'm just fed up with the whole sorry story.............. Hope we get some good news sometime soon......doubt it! I keep thinking of 'Guv'......... Jesus, when i come to think of it, he wasnt that far from the truth really....... Now, Breaking News: "Take over bid falls through" or "Administrators have been called in to secure the future of the Club" I hate using that word......but, jesus "What the F*ck is going On" Goooooddddddd!!!!!!! !!! Now the only person any good PDC is having to call players.... We didnt sign and say sorry..... Jesus, is it me, or does anyone else find that just absolutely rediculous??? Louis :-(((( Sad, Sad times ahead.....[/p][/quote]Louis, I would use a glib response like "hang on in there" but then we might find you looking for a length of rope and a cupboard. But seriously mate, how long have you been. Fan? If like me it's been 20 years or more then you should know how STFC is the greatest ride of all! Like you I have been low over this but then I simply remind myself that the club has given me great mates and brill times and that will go on whatever! We can't keep PDC forever, nor the best players, we just hope they stay for as long as poss and add to the memories. Anytime you want, I'll buy you a beer and try and remind you that we are the best fans, club and extended family ever! See you in the Legends 😜 🍺🍺🍺[/p][/quote]Mate, Thank you so much. That has made my day today. Sat ay my desk in work, just had cuppa....reading the posts.... Then came to yours...... Absolutely right!! Bang on!! STFC.......you are amazing..... The Club has made me cry with hurt and pain in relegation....... And also in happiness in Cup Finals and Promotions..... The Fans has always been here over the years to see us all go through the tides of emotions together.... Thank you for clearing my head and making me see sense... STFC - is but a football club..... Nothing more nothing less But its OUR football club, for which we love very dearly..... And as much as i love PDC...... as you've already said...... We cant hold onto him forever.... We always enjoyed being the stepping stone club for Players and Managers alike..... And in the meantime, enjoyed alot of success that has brought over the years.... Unfortunately, with successful times - the Ying and Yang....there has to be unsuccessful times........ But hey, buy me a pint this Sat mate, I'll buy you one back...... Would be nice to keep in touch mate..... COYR'ssssss Louis :-)))))) louiscassius

9:01am Tue 5 Feb 13

SAPFanSTFC says...

Hi there Dukey!!...you going tonight?
.
Frustratingly it is the first away game I've been to for a little while but looking forward to it all the same....freezing cold, 13 men, no chance of winning, no manager, no owners, no club!!....
---
Nah!!...This is STFC we LOVE adversity!....3pts tonight would be a really early Christmas present! :-)
Hi there Dukey!!...you going tonight? . Frustratingly it is the first away game I've been to for a little while but looking forward to it all the same....freezing cold, 13 men, no chance of winning, no manager, no owners, no club!!.... --- Nah!!...This is STFC we LOVE adversity!....3pts tonight would be a really early Christmas present! :-) SAPFanSTFC

9:01am Tue 5 Feb 13

louiscassius says...

SAPFanSTFC wrote:
Helpme234 wrote: I don't know if i'm completely missing the point (or just stating the obvious!) but it seems that everything now just depends on the new ownership being ratified and what assurances they can give PDC. If they say and do the right things that could be enough to persuade him to stay. His problems are with Black & Co. and perhaps that's why he feels the need to make these statements which (a) give him the opportunity to vent his anger and (b) leave the new owners in no doubt what he expects from them.
Absolutely on the button Helpme234! . He's been dumped in the mire and both he and the playing staff have been dumped on from a great height with this one...communication never hurt anyone provided it is early enough in proceedings. . It is all down to the new owner's aspirations and what they can offer or more importantly can they convince Paolo of what they have to offer until the end of the season at least...these loans weren't all just until May though so he needs to be sure that the future is right as well....otherwise I'm sure that Pack will be back-tracking on a switch with a view to permanent!
Hi Ian,

Good posts this morning mate, keep um coming.......

You fancy meeting up this Sat if i get down??

Louis :-))))
[quote][p][bold]SAPFanSTFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Helpme234[/bold] wrote: I don't know if i'm completely missing the point (or just stating the obvious!) but it seems that everything now just depends on the new ownership being ratified and what assurances they can give PDC. If they say and do the right things that could be enough to persuade him to stay. His problems are with Black & Co. and perhaps that's why he feels the need to make these statements which (a) give him the opportunity to vent his anger and (b) leave the new owners in no doubt what he expects from them.[/p][/quote]Absolutely on the button Helpme234! . He's been dumped in the mire and both he and the playing staff have been dumped on from a great height with this one...communication never hurt anyone provided it is early enough in proceedings. . It is all down to the new owner's aspirations and what they can offer or more importantly can they convince Paolo of what they have to offer until the end of the season at least...these loans weren't all just until May though so he needs to be sure that the future is right as well....otherwise I'm sure that Pack will be back-tracking on a switch with a view to permanent![/p][/quote]Hi Ian, Good posts this morning mate, keep um coming....... You fancy meeting up this Sat if i get down?? Louis :-)))) louiscassius

9:03am Tue 5 Feb 13

St Jude says...

I'm a big fan of Paolo but it is worth remembering that he sees Swindon as part of his career path. There may be some truth in the idea that all that has happened in the last week is not a conspiracy against Paolo but a combination of measures needed to save the existence of the club and delays to follow the due processes of the Football League.
If there is any truth in that its worth asking whether Paolo is speaking in his own interests or that of the rest of us. I was amazed and impressed by the dignity with which he responded initially but he is way off programme now. If the takeover is still fragile he could be busily adding the final nails with his latest statements.
The irony is that the more he does his loose canon act the less likely he is to find himself in one of the top jobs he sees himself in one day.
I'm a big fan of Paolo but it is worth remembering that he sees Swindon as part of his career path. There may be some truth in the idea that all that has happened in the last week is not a conspiracy against Paolo but a combination of measures needed to save the existence of the club and delays to follow the due processes of the Football League. If there is any truth in that its worth asking whether Paolo is speaking in his own interests or that of the rest of us. I was amazed and impressed by the dignity with which he responded initially but he is way off programme now. If the takeover is still fragile he could be busily adding the final nails with his latest statements. The irony is that the more he does his loose canon act the less likely he is to find himself in one of the top jobs he sees himself in one day. St Jude

9:08am Tue 5 Feb 13

MarksDad says...

It doesn't matter what PDC says the negative atttiude from those who don't like him, STFC2012 for one, will never change their mind.
I really can't comprehend that they believe there is any one better than PDC to manage our club, he has had his issues but he has learnt and continues to learn.
It is obvious the way he lives his life is based on honesty, loyalty and respect. I don't know but I suspect the issues he has faced have challenged his core beliefs and through loyalty to the players, his staff and supporters he has not walked away.
I for one hope he stays, If he does then perhaps the ride can continue.
It doesn't matter what PDC says the negative atttiude from those who don't like him, STFC2012 for one, will never change their mind. I really can't comprehend that they believe there is any one better than PDC to manage our club, he has had his issues but he has learnt and continues to learn. It is obvious the way he lives his life is based on honesty, loyalty and respect. I don't know but I suspect the issues he has faced have challenged his core beliefs and through loyalty to the players, his staff and supporters he has not walked away. I for one hope he stays, If he does then perhaps the ride can continue. MarksDad

9:13am Tue 5 Feb 13

Davidsyrett says...

Surely it wasn't too much for someone to check with the FA as to whether we could sign these players.

A total shambles for all concerned.

The club has been in a right state since the transfer embargo, It needs sorting and soon, we are a laughing stock at the moment.

I dread to think what might happen if the take over is not ratified by the FA, total turmoil.
Surely it wasn't too much for someone to check with the FA as to whether we could sign these players. A total shambles for all concerned. The club has been in a right state since the transfer embargo, It needs sorting and soon, we are a laughing stock at the moment. I dread to think what might happen if the take over is not ratified by the FA, total turmoil. Davidsyrett

9:15am Tue 5 Feb 13

SAPFanSTFC says...

louiscassius wrote:
SAPFanSTFC wrote:
Helpme234 wrote: I don't know if i'm completely missing the point (or just stating the obvious!) but it seems that everything now just depends on the new ownership being ratified and what assurances they can give PDC. If they say and do the right things that could be enough to persuade him to stay. His problems are with Black & Co. and perhaps that's why he feels the need to make these statements which (a) give him the opportunity to vent his anger and (b) leave the new owners in no doubt what he expects from them.
Absolutely on the button Helpme234! . He's been dumped in the mire and both he and the playing staff have been dumped on from a great height with this one...communication never hurt anyone provided it is early enough in proceedings. . It is all down to the new owner's aspirations and what they can offer or more importantly can they convince Paolo of what they have to offer until the end of the season at least...these loans weren't all just until May though so he needs to be sure that the future is right as well....otherwise I'm sure that Pack will be back-tracking on a switch with a view to permanent!
Hi Ian,

Good posts this morning mate, keep um coming.......

You fancy meeting up this Sat if i get down??

Louis :-))))
Hi there Louis - Not sure at the moment but it could be a good game to meet up prior to kick-off....will let you know tomorrow or Thursday - eldest lad has an away match and unsure if I'm on pitchside duty which would mean I'll be arriving way too late - hopefully the wife will do this one and I'll bus it into town.
[quote][p][bold]louiscassius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAPFanSTFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Helpme234[/bold] wrote: I don't know if i'm completely missing the point (or just stating the obvious!) but it seems that everything now just depends on the new ownership being ratified and what assurances they can give PDC. If they say and do the right things that could be enough to persuade him to stay. His problems are with Black & Co. and perhaps that's why he feels the need to make these statements which (a) give him the opportunity to vent his anger and (b) leave the new owners in no doubt what he expects from them.[/p][/quote]Absolutely on the button Helpme234! . He's been dumped in the mire and both he and the playing staff have been dumped on from a great height with this one...communication never hurt anyone provided it is early enough in proceedings. . It is all down to the new owner's aspirations and what they can offer or more importantly can they convince Paolo of what they have to offer until the end of the season at least...these loans weren't all just until May though so he needs to be sure that the future is right as well....otherwise I'm sure that Pack will be back-tracking on a switch with a view to permanent![/p][/quote]Hi Ian, Good posts this morning mate, keep um coming....... You fancy meeting up this Sat if i get down?? Louis :-))))[/p][/quote]Hi there Louis - Not sure at the moment but it could be a good game to meet up prior to kick-off....will let you know tomorrow or Thursday - eldest lad has an away match and unsure if I'm on pitchside duty which would mean I'll be arriving way too late - hopefully the wife will do this one and I'll bus it into town. SAPFanSTFC

9:19am Tue 5 Feb 13

Davidsyrett says...

MarksDad wrote:
It doesn't matter what PDC says the negative atttiude from those who don't like him, STFC2012 for one, will never change their mind.
I really can't comprehend that they believe there is any one better than PDC to manage our club, he has had his issues but he has learnt and continues to learn.
It is obvious the way he lives his life is based on honesty, loyalty and respect. I don't know but I suspect the issues he has faced have challenged his core beliefs and through loyalty to the players, his staff and supporters he has not walked away.
I for one hope he stays, If he does then perhaps the ride can continue.
I think what a lot of fans are beginning to see is that no one person can be bigger than the club, I agree that PdC has been a breath of fresh air since coming here and is our best manger for at least 20 odd years, but he is not blameless in all of this, he has spent vast sums of money and basically ended up bankrupting the club, obviously it all comes down to what reassurances he was given by the board, but I still feel he has a responsibility to the club and fans to see it out at least to the end of the season.

I for one will not class him as a legend if he walks away in our hour of need.
[quote][p][bold]MarksDad[/bold] wrote: It doesn't matter what PDC says the negative atttiude from those who don't like him, STFC2012 for one, will never change their mind. I really can't comprehend that they believe there is any one better than PDC to manage our club, he has had his issues but he has learnt and continues to learn. It is obvious the way he lives his life is based on honesty, loyalty and respect. I don't know but I suspect the issues he has faced have challenged his core beliefs and through loyalty to the players, his staff and supporters he has not walked away. I for one hope he stays, If he does then perhaps the ride can continue.[/p][/quote]I think what a lot of fans are beginning to see is that no one person can be bigger than the club, I agree that PdC has been a breath of fresh air since coming here and is our best manger for at least 20 odd years, but he is not blameless in all of this, he has spent vast sums of money and basically ended up bankrupting the club, obviously it all comes down to what reassurances he was given by the board, but I still feel he has a responsibility to the club and fans to see it out at least to the end of the season. I for one will not class him as a legend if he walks away in our hour of need. Davidsyrett

9:26am Tue 5 Feb 13

Guv says...

louiscassius wrote:
What a complete mess.

I agree with other fans.

I dont think i'm going to look for the rest of the week.....

I just cant, it hurts to much.....

I want too, obviously, but everytime i look, its depressing news......fans fending off Poxford fans.........or slagging each other....

I'm just fed up with the whole sorry story..............

Hope we get some good news sometime soon......doubt it!

I keep thinking of 'Guv'.........

Jesus, when i come to think of it, he wasnt that far from the truth really.......

Now, Breaking News:

"Take over bid falls through"

or

"Administrators have been called in to secure the future of the Club"

I hate using that word......but, jesus

"What the F*ck is going On"

Goooooddddddd!!!!!!!

!!!

Now the only person any good PDC is having to call players....

We didnt sign and say sorry.....

Jesus, is it me, or does anyone else find that just absolutely rediculous???

Louis :-((((

Sad, Sad times ahead.....
Thanks, I don't take any pleasure from telling the fans, as a fan myself, I am hurting from this, I get attacked but I am telling you as I for one think we deserve better, even with signed disclosures, I am not understanding why fans are not treated like any other business

If for example we were customers of a bank and we had money in the bank that was subject to take over, we wouldn't be banned from taking our money out and waiting in limbo like this.

STFC has some kind of duty to do a press release to fans, that's my feeling, so I did it in my own way. I am not liked yet I am treating fans to some inside information and I wanted to share more with you all. I told you last week that today/tomorrow the FL will give us approval and only 2 of the 3 players would be signing, then throughout the day my comments were copied by others as if they broke the news. I am happy to tell you all so much more, but let's be honest, from day 1 I have been here (since the Wilson days), I have been a fan from 1985 and have a personal interest in the club, but I am not saying more, I do feel we are all entitled to be treated better, what's better,

The fans being kept in the dark threating and fighting like this?

Us knowing the issues, so we could have a light at the end of the tunnel, allowing us to show our numbers in support and work through this together as a club?

If you guys want genuine updates, feel free, ask me questions,

I have told you everything that has happened before it has happened, the only one thing that I didn't get right was the GK sale (i can confirm it was going to happen) but there would have been a massive problem for the club had PDC walked then

I told you The club wasnt sold as the advertiser confirmed
I told you Richie was being sold
I told you Richie was sold
I told you that he was sold and the club was basically bankrupt
I told you no players would sign (on transfer deadline) and no one at all believed me
I told you that the new owners wouldn't speak
I told you that Mr PDC wouldn't quit saturday
In fact I told you a lot more, everything but 1 thing has happened.

Without breaking my cover, I am happy to fill you in daily, Mr Black broken promises to PDC, do you think it's all to do with Richie? The answer is truly no.

Why did Mr B want out? Want the truth? I could tell you.

Why is PDC staying, surely his managerial chances are not affected either way, if he lost every game now until the end of the season he will still walk into another job, look at Mark McGee, sacked by Rovers walked into assistant Scotland manager.

There is so much going on I want to tell you, you all know I haven't lied, you all know I am not Yellow or Cherry.

I want to be mates with you all and to tell you what's going on, I want you to understand one thing, the club is a fine bloody mess and the board are fighting daily (not the new board) the new board however, are sitting waiting for business politics if you like.

If they can't work together now, what the heck will it be like six months down the line.

The views on where the club want to go are mixed, we have Jed who wants success, honestly, he wants to push for promotion next year (I told you this before the Advertiser announced it) two days before.

We have MR B who has told Palo, more players need to be sold in the Summer, including Wes, cash in for Paul Caddis, in fact, because this deal doesn't suit him too financially he wants a lot of players sold to fund his sale. but Jed isn't going for this, why would he, he has a financial interest to see fans stick by him.

A mess isn't the word. I promised you all saturday even after the wave, PDC wouldn't quit then, things are very tender, he has been in a very odd mood and he stays for one reason, us

So let's stick together, we touched him on Saturday, he loves us, we love him, the club can sort out their problems, on the field, it's us, off the field it's them, but I can assure you one thing, Jed, he's a quiet good guy, he seems to have some interesting plans for us, it's not a huge cash injection, it will leave our club in debt for a few years, probably a number of years, this could be a great board, but MR B needs to keep his promises, let Jed and the rest run the club,

We are together, lets not fight, one day you will find out who I am, but until then, I just want to be welcomed.

36 facts, 1 which didn't happen but will happen in the Summer, guys, please just accept, I want to tell you.
[quote][p][bold]louiscassius[/bold] wrote: What a complete mess. I agree with other fans. I dont think i'm going to look for the rest of the week..... I just cant, it hurts to much..... I want too, obviously, but everytime i look, its depressing news......fans fending off Poxford fans.........or slagging each other.... I'm just fed up with the whole sorry story.............. Hope we get some good news sometime soon......doubt it! I keep thinking of 'Guv'......... Jesus, when i come to think of it, he wasnt that far from the truth really....... Now, Breaking News: "Take over bid falls through" or "Administrators have been called in to secure the future of the Club" I hate using that word......but, jesus "What the F*ck is going On" Goooooddddddd!!!!!!! !!! Now the only person any good PDC is having to call players.... We didnt sign and say sorry..... Jesus, is it me, or does anyone else find that just absolutely rediculous??? Louis :-(((( Sad, Sad times ahead.....[/p][/quote]Thanks, I don't take any pleasure from telling the fans, as a fan myself, I am hurting from this, I get attacked but I am telling you as I for one think we deserve better, even with signed disclosures, I am not understanding why fans are not treated like any other business If for example we were customers of a bank and we had money in the bank that was subject to take over, we wouldn't be banned from taking our money out and waiting in limbo like this. STFC has some kind of duty to do a press release to fans, that's my feeling, so I did it in my own way. I am not liked yet I am treating fans to some inside information and I wanted to share more with you all. I told you last week that today/tomorrow the FL will give us approval and only 2 of the 3 players would be signing, then throughout the day my comments were copied by others as if they broke the news. I am happy to tell you all so much more, but let's be honest, from day 1 I have been here (since the Wilson days), I have been a fan from 1985 and have a personal interest in the club, but I am not saying more, I do feel we are all entitled to be treated better, what's better, The fans being kept in the dark threating and fighting like this? Us knowing the issues, so we could have a light at the end of the tunnel, allowing us to show our numbers in support and work through this together as a club? If you guys want genuine updates, feel free, ask me questions, I have told you everything that has happened before it has happened, the only one thing that I didn't get right was the GK sale (i can confirm it was going to happen) but there would have been a massive problem for the club had PDC walked then I told you The club wasnt sold as the advertiser confirmed I told you Richie was being sold I told you Richie was sold I told you that he was sold and the club was basically bankrupt I told you no players would sign (on transfer deadline) and no one at all believed me I told you that the new owners wouldn't speak I told you that Mr PDC wouldn't quit saturday In fact I told you a lot more, everything but 1 thing has happened. Without breaking my cover, I am happy to fill you in daily, Mr Black broken promises to PDC, do you think it's all to do with Richie? The answer is truly no. Why did Mr B want out? Want the truth? I could tell you. Why is PDC staying, surely his managerial chances are not affected either way, if he lost every game now until the end of the season he will still walk into another job, look at Mark McGee, sacked by Rovers walked into assistant Scotland manager. There is so much going on I want to tell you, you all know I haven't lied, you all know I am not Yellow or Cherry. I want to be mates with you all and to tell you what's going on, I want you to understand one thing, the club is a fine bloody mess and the board are fighting daily (not the new board) the new board however, are sitting waiting for business politics if you like. If they can't work together now, what the heck will it be like six months down the line. The views on where the club want to go are mixed, we have Jed who wants success, honestly, he wants to push for promotion next year (I told you this before the Advertiser announced it) two days before. We have MR B who has told Palo, more players need to be sold in the Summer, including Wes, cash in for Paul Caddis, in fact, because this deal doesn't suit him too financially he wants a lot of players sold to fund his sale. but Jed isn't going for this, why would he, he has a financial interest to see fans stick by him. A mess isn't the word. I promised you all saturday even after the wave, PDC wouldn't quit then, things are very tender, he has been in a very odd mood and he stays for one reason, us So let's stick together, we touched him on Saturday, he loves us, we love him, the club can sort out their problems, on the field, it's us, off the field it's them, but I can assure you one thing, Jed, he's a quiet good guy, he seems to have some interesting plans for us, it's not a huge cash injection, it will leave our club in debt for a few years, probably a number of years, this could be a great board, but MR B needs to keep his promises, let Jed and the rest run the club, We are together, lets not fight, one day you will find out who I am, but until then, I just want to be welcomed. 36 facts, 1 which didn't happen but will happen in the Summer, guys, please just accept, I want to tell you. Guv

9:32am Tue 5 Feb 13

SAPFanSTFC says...

Davidsyrett wrote:
MarksDad wrote:
It doesn't matter what PDC says the negative atttiude from those who don't like him, STFC2012 for one, will never change their mind.
I really can't comprehend that they believe there is any one better than PDC to manage our club, he has had his issues but he has learnt and continues to learn.
It is obvious the way he lives his life is based on honesty, loyalty and respect. I don't know but I suspect the issues he has faced have challenged his core beliefs and through loyalty to the players, his staff and supporters he has not walked away.
I for one hope he stays, If he does then perhaps the ride can continue.
I think what a lot of fans are beginning to see is that no one person can be bigger than the club, I agree that PdC has been a breath of fresh air since coming here and is our best manger for at least 20 odd years, but he is not blameless in all of this, he has spent vast sums of money and basically ended up bankrupting the club, obviously it all comes down to what reassurances he was given by the board, but I still feel he has a responsibility to the club and fans to see it out at least to the end of the season.

I for one will not class him as a legend if he walks away in our hour of need.
Hi there DavidSyrett - I'd love to know what assurances re: budgets he was given - he couldn't spend money with them sanctioning it hence I don't see it as all his fault.
.
Yes he did waste a load but that was by totally underestimating the task in hand in league 2 and it was an expensive back-track.
.
Since then the board have approved a budget and he has spent it - although no-one (apparently) understood that they would have to pay 100% up front for Troy and Collins which messed it all up.
.
As we all know we'll never know everything but I can't believe he spent money he wasn't told he could spend.
[quote][p][bold]Davidsyrett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MarksDad[/bold] wrote: It doesn't matter what PDC says the negative atttiude from those who don't like him, STFC2012 for one, will never change their mind. I really can't comprehend that they believe there is any one better than PDC to manage our club, he has had his issues but he has learnt and continues to learn. It is obvious the way he lives his life is based on honesty, loyalty and respect. I don't know but I suspect the issues he has faced have challenged his core beliefs and through loyalty to the players, his staff and supporters he has not walked away. I for one hope he stays, If he does then perhaps the ride can continue.[/p][/quote]I think what a lot of fans are beginning to see is that no one person can be bigger than the club, I agree that PdC has been a breath of fresh air since coming here and is our best manger for at least 20 odd years, but he is not blameless in all of this, he has spent vast sums of money and basically ended up bankrupting the club, obviously it all comes down to what reassurances he was given by the board, but I still feel he has a responsibility to the club and fans to see it out at least to the end of the season. I for one will not class him as a legend if he walks away in our hour of need.[/p][/quote]Hi there DavidSyrett - I'd love to know what assurances re: budgets he was given - he couldn't spend money with them sanctioning it hence I don't see it as all his fault. . Yes he did waste a load but that was by totally underestimating the task in hand in league 2 and it was an expensive back-track. . Since then the board have approved a budget and he has spent it - although no-one (apparently) understood that they would have to pay 100% up front for Troy and Collins which messed it all up. . As we all know we'll never know everything but I can't believe he spent money he wasn't told he could spend. SAPFanSTFC

9:33am Tue 5 Feb 13

Davidsyrett says...

Guv wrote:
louiscassius wrote:
What a complete mess.

I agree with other fans.

I dont think i'm going to look for the rest of the week.....

I just cant, it hurts to much.....

I want too, obviously, but everytime i look, its depressing news......fans fending off Poxford fans.........or slagging each other....

I'm just fed up with the whole sorry story..............

Hope we get some good news sometime soon......doubt it!

I keep thinking of 'Guv'.........

Jesus, when i come to think of it, he wasnt that far from the truth really.......

Now, Breaking News:

"Take over bid falls through"

or

"Administrators have been called in to secure the future of the Club"

I hate using that word......but, jesus

"What the F*ck is going On"

Goooooddddddd!!!!!!!


!!!

Now the only person any good PDC is having to call players....

We didnt sign and say sorry.....

Jesus, is it me, or does anyone else find that just absolutely rediculous???

Louis :-((((

Sad, Sad times ahead.....
Thanks, I don't take any pleasure from telling the fans, as a fan myself, I am hurting from this, I get attacked but I am telling you as I for one think we deserve better, even with signed disclosures, I am not understanding why fans are not treated like any other business

If for example we were customers of a bank and we had money in the bank that was subject to take over, we wouldn't be banned from taking our money out and waiting in limbo like this.

STFC has some kind of duty to do a press release to fans, that's my feeling, so I did it in my own way. I am not liked yet I am treating fans to some inside information and I wanted to share more with you all. I told you last week that today/tomorrow the FL will give us approval and only 2 of the 3 players would be signing, then throughout the day my comments were copied by others as if they broke the news. I am happy to tell you all so much more, but let's be honest, from day 1 I have been here (since the Wilson days), I have been a fan from 1985 and have a personal interest in the club, but I am not saying more, I do feel we are all entitled to be treated better, what's better,

The fans being kept in the dark threating and fighting like this?

Us knowing the issues, so we could have a light at the end of the tunnel, allowing us to show our numbers in support and work through this together as a club?

If you guys want genuine updates, feel free, ask me questions,

I have told you everything that has happened before it has happened, the only one thing that I didn't get right was the GK sale (i can confirm it was going to happen) but there would have been a massive problem for the club had PDC walked then

I told you The club wasnt sold as the advertiser confirmed
I told you Richie was being sold
I told you Richie was sold
I told you that he was sold and the club was basically bankrupt
I told you no players would sign (on transfer deadline) and no one at all believed me
I told you that the new owners wouldn't speak
I told you that Mr PDC wouldn't quit saturday
In fact I told you a lot more, everything but 1 thing has happened.

Without breaking my cover, I am happy to fill you in daily, Mr Black broken promises to PDC, do you think it's all to do with Richie? The answer is truly no.

Why did Mr B want out? Want the truth? I could tell you.

Why is PDC staying, surely his managerial chances are not affected either way, if he lost every game now until the end of the season he will still walk into another job, look at Mark McGee, sacked by Rovers walked into assistant Scotland manager.

There is so much going on I want to tell you, you all know I haven't lied, you all know I am not Yellow or Cherry.

I want to be mates with you all and to tell you what's going on, I want you to understand one thing, the club is a fine bloody mess and the board are fighting daily (not the new board) the new board however, are sitting waiting for business politics if you like.

If they can't work together now, what the heck will it be like six months down the line.

The views on where the club want to go are mixed, we have Jed who wants success, honestly, he wants to push for promotion next year (I told you this before the Advertiser announced it) two days before.

We have MR B who has told Palo, more players need to be sold in the Summer, including Wes, cash in for Paul Caddis, in fact, because this deal doesn't suit him too financially he wants a lot of players sold to fund his sale. but Jed isn't going for this, why would he, he has a financial interest to see fans stick by him.

A mess isn't the word. I promised you all saturday even after the wave, PDC wouldn't quit then, things are very tender, he has been in a very odd mood and he stays for one reason, us

So let's stick together, we touched him on Saturday, he loves us, we love him, the club can sort out their problems, on the field, it's us, off the field it's them, but I can assure you one thing, Jed, he's a quiet good guy, he seems to have some interesting plans for us, it's not a huge cash injection, it will leave our club in debt for a few years, probably a number of years, this could be a great board, but MR B needs to keep his promises, let Jed and the rest run the club,

We are together, lets not fight, one day you will find out who I am, but until then, I just want to be welcomed.

36 facts, 1 which didn't happen but will happen in the Summer, guys, please just accept, I want to tell you.
Ok Guv, then tell us a fact today that is NOT in the public domain! what are the broken promises to PdC?
[quote][p][bold]Guv[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]louiscassius[/bold] wrote: What a complete mess. I agree with other fans. I dont think i'm going to look for the rest of the week..... I just cant, it hurts to much..... I want too, obviously, but everytime i look, its depressing news......fans fending off Poxford fans.........or slagging each other.... I'm just fed up with the whole sorry story.............. Hope we get some good news sometime soon......doubt it! I keep thinking of 'Guv'......... Jesus, when i come to think of it, he wasnt that far from the truth really....... Now, Breaking News: "Take over bid falls through" or "Administrators have been called in to secure the future of the Club" I hate using that word......but, jesus "What the F*ck is going On" Goooooddddddd!!!!!!! !!! Now the only person any good PDC is having to call players.... We didnt sign and say sorry..... Jesus, is it me, or does anyone else find that just absolutely rediculous??? Louis :-(((( Sad, Sad times ahead.....[/p][/quote]Thanks, I don't take any pleasure from telling the fans, as a fan myself, I am hurting from this, I get attacked but I am telling you as I for one think we deserve better, even with signed disclosures, I am not understanding why fans are not treated like any other business If for example we were customers of a bank and we had money in the bank that was subject to take over, we wouldn't be banned from taking our money out and waiting in limbo like this. STFC has some kind of duty to do a press release to fans, that's my feeling, so I did it in my own way. I am not liked yet I am treating fans to some inside information and I wanted to share more with you all. I told you last week that today/tomorrow the FL will give us approval and only 2 of the 3 players would be signing, then throughout the day my comments were copied by others as if they broke the news. I am happy to tell you all so much more, but let's be honest, from day 1 I have been here (since the Wilson days), I have been a fan from 1985 and have a personal interest in the club, but I am not saying more, I do feel we are all entitled to be treated better, what's better, The fans being kept in the dark threating and fighting like this? Us knowing the issues, so we could have a light at the end of the tunnel, allowing us to show our numbers in support and work through this together as a club? If you guys want genuine updates, feel free, ask me questions, I have told you everything that has happened before it has happened, the only one thing that I didn't get right was the GK sale (i can confirm it was going to happen) but there would have been a massive problem for the club had PDC walked then I told you The club wasnt sold as the advertiser confirmed I told you Richie was being sold I told you Richie was sold I told you that he was sold and the club was basically bankrupt I told you no players would sign (on transfer deadline) and no one at all believed me I told you that the new owners wouldn't speak I told you that Mr PDC wouldn't quit saturday In fact I told you a lot more, everything but 1 thing has happened. Without breaking my cover, I am happy to fill you in daily, Mr Black broken promises to PDC, do you think it's all to do with Richie? The answer is truly no. Why did Mr B want out? Want the truth? I could tell you. Why is PDC staying, surely his managerial chances are not affected either way, if he lost every game now until the end of the season he will still walk into another job, look at Mark McGee, sacked by Rovers walked into assistant Scotland manager. There is so much going on I want to tell you, you all know I haven't lied, you all know I am not Yellow or Cherry. I want to be mates with you all and to tell you what's going on, I want you to understand one thing, the club is a fine bloody mess and the board are fighting daily (not the new board) the new board however, are sitting waiting for business politics if you like. If they can't work together now, what the heck will it be like six months down the line. The views on where the club want to go are mixed, we have Jed who wants success, honestly, he wants to push for promotion next year (I told you this before the Advertiser announced it) two days before. We have MR B who has told Palo, more players need to be sold in the Summer, including Wes, cash in for Paul Caddis, in fact, because this deal doesn't suit him too financially he wants a lot of players sold to fund his sale. but Jed isn't going for this, why would he, he has a financial interest to see fans stick by him. A mess isn't the word. I promised you all saturday even after the wave, PDC wouldn't quit then, things are very tender, he has been in a very odd mood and he stays for one reason, us So let's stick together, we touched him on Saturday, he loves us, we love him, the club can sort out their problems, on the field, it's us, off the field it's them, but I can assure you one thing, Jed, he's a quiet good guy, he seems to have some interesting plans for us, it's not a huge cash injection, it will leave our club in debt for a few years, probably a number of years, this could be a great board, but MR B needs to keep his promises, let Jed and the rest run the club, We are together, lets not fight, one day you will find out who I am, but until then, I just want to be welcomed. 36 facts, 1 which didn't happen but will happen in the Summer, guys, please just accept, I want to tell you.[/p][/quote]Ok Guv, then tell us a fact today that is NOT in the public domain! what are the broken promises to PdC? Davidsyrett

9:35am Tue 5 Feb 13

MarksDad says...

Davidsyrett wrote:
MarksDad wrote:
It doesn't matter what PDC says the negative atttiude from those who don't like him, STFC2012 for one, will never change their mind.
I really can't comprehend that they believe there is any one better than PDC to manage our club, he has had his issues but he has learnt and continues to learn.
It is obvious the way he lives his life is based on honesty, loyalty and respect. I don't know but I suspect the issues he has faced have challenged his core beliefs and through loyalty to the players, his staff and supporters he has not walked away.
I for one hope he stays, If he does then perhaps the ride can continue.
I think what a lot of fans are beginning to see is that no one person can be bigger than the club, I agree that PdC has been a breath of fresh air since coming here and is our best manger for at least 20 odd years, but he is not blameless in all of this, he has spent vast sums of money and basically ended up bankrupting the club, obviously it all comes down to what reassurances he was given by the board, but I still feel he has a responsibility to the club and fans to see it out at least to the end of the season.

I for one will not class him as a legend if he walks away in our hour of need.
I totally agree that no one is bigger than club but simply there are a large number of people who have never and will never accept him.
One of the issues I have with this forum is that because we don't know what has happened people make assumptions which because tehy are repeated consistently become 'fact'.
Until accounts are released we will not find out if or how much PDC has 'wasted', what Phil Spence has been paid, everyone assumes he has taken the full amount disclosed as being paid to agents.
Lets remember he is an emotional latin and wears his feelings on his sleeve. Its so much better than the majority of managers we have had in the last 40 years, apart from the obvious certain exceptions.
[quote][p][bold]Davidsyrett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MarksDad[/bold] wrote: It doesn't matter what PDC says the negative atttiude from those who don't like him, STFC2012 for one, will never change their mind. I really can't comprehend that they believe there is any one better than PDC to manage our club, he has had his issues but he has learnt and continues to learn. It is obvious the way he lives his life is based on honesty, loyalty and respect. I don't know but I suspect the issues he has faced have challenged his core beliefs and through loyalty to the players, his staff and supporters he has not walked away. I for one hope he stays, If he does then perhaps the ride can continue.[/p][/quote]I think what a lot of fans are beginning to see is that no one person can be bigger than the club, I agree that PdC has been a breath of fresh air since coming here and is our best manger for at least 20 odd years, but he is not blameless in all of this, he has spent vast sums of money and basically ended up bankrupting the club, obviously it all comes down to what reassurances he was given by the board, but I still feel he has a responsibility to the club and fans to see it out at least to the end of the season. I for one will not class him as a legend if he walks away in our hour of need.[/p][/quote]I totally agree that no one is bigger than club but simply there are a large number of people who have never and will never accept him. One of the issues I have with this forum is that because we don't know what has happened people make assumptions which because tehy are repeated consistently become 'fact'. Until accounts are released we will not find out if or how much PDC has 'wasted', what Phil Spence has been paid, everyone assumes he has taken the full amount disclosed as being paid to agents. Lets remember he is an emotional latin and wears his feelings on his sleeve. Its so much better than the majority of managers we have had in the last 40 years, apart from the obvious certain exceptions. MarksDad

9:41am Tue 5 Feb 13

Davidsyrett says...

SAPFanSTFC wrote:
Davidsyrett wrote:
MarksDad wrote:
It doesn't matter what PDC says the negative atttiude from those who don't like him, STFC2012 for one, will never change their mind.
I really can't comprehend that they believe there is any one better than PDC to manage our club, he has had his issues but he has learnt and continues to learn.
It is obvious the way he lives his life is based on honesty, loyalty and respect. I don't know but I suspect the issues he has faced have challenged his core beliefs and through loyalty to the players, his staff and supporters he has not walked away.
I for one hope he stays, If he does then perhaps the ride can continue.
I think what a lot of fans are beginning to see is that no one person can be bigger than the club, I agree that PdC has been a breath of fresh air since coming here and is our best manger for at least 20 odd years, but he is not blameless in all of this, he has spent vast sums of money and basically ended up bankrupting the club, obviously it all comes down to what reassurances he was given by the board, but I still feel he has a responsibility to the club and fans to see it out at least to the end of the season.

I for one will not class him as a legend if he walks away in our hour of need.
Hi there DavidSyrett - I'd love to know what assurances re: budgets he was given - he couldn't spend money with them sanctioning it hence I don't see it as all his fault.
.
Yes he did waste a load but that was by totally underestimating the task in hand in league 2 and it was an expensive back-track.
.
Since then the board have approved a budget and he has spent it - although no-one (apparently) understood that they would have to pay 100% up front for Troy and Collins which messed it all up.
.
As we all know we'll never know everything but I can't believe he spent money he wasn't told he could spend.
Hi SAPF,

I keep going back to why was JW sacked?

It seems to be downhill since then. I obviously only guessing but I wonder if JW was kept being put under pressure by PdC to release funds and I wonder how much AB knew about it.

There's no doubt in my mind though that
PdC public comments on the transfer embargo would have put pressure to invest yet more money to get us out of it.

Did AB really budget to be losing (if believed) £250K a month?

So many questions, so few answers, Oh for a statement!!
[quote][p][bold]SAPFanSTFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davidsyrett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MarksDad[/bold] wrote: It doesn't matter what PDC says the negative atttiude from those who don't like him, STFC2012 for one, will never change their mind. I really can't comprehend that they believe there is any one better than PDC to manage our club, he has had his issues but he has learnt and continues to learn. It is obvious the way he lives his life is based on honesty, loyalty and respect. I don't know but I suspect the issues he has faced have challenged his core beliefs and through loyalty to the players, his staff and supporters he has not walked away. I for one hope he stays, If he does then perhaps the ride can continue.[/p][/quote]I think what a lot of fans are beginning to see is that no one person can be bigger than the club, I agree that PdC has been a breath of fresh air since coming here and is our best manger for at least 20 odd years, but he is not blameless in all of this, he has spent vast sums of money and basically ended up bankrupting the club, obviously it all comes down to what reassurances he was given by the board, but I still feel he has a responsibility to the club and fans to see it out at least to the end of the season. I for one will not class him as a legend if he walks away in our hour of need.[/p][/quote]Hi there DavidSyrett - I'd love to know what assurances re: budgets he was given - he couldn't spend money with them sanctioning it hence I don't see it as all his fault. . Yes he did waste a load but that was by totally underestimating the task in hand in league 2 and it was an expensive back-track. . Since then the board have approved a budget and he has spent it - although no-one (apparently) understood that they would have to pay 100% up front for Troy and Collins which messed it all up. . As we all know we'll never know everything but I can't believe he spent money he wasn't told he could spend.[/p][/quote]Hi SAPF, I keep going back to why was JW sacked? It seems to be downhill since then. I obviously only guessing but I wonder if JW was kept being put under pressure by PdC to release funds and I wonder how much AB knew about it. There's no doubt in my mind though that PdC public comments on the transfer embargo would have put pressure to invest yet more money to get us out of it. Did AB really budget to be losing (if believed) £250K a month? So many questions, so few answers, Oh for a statement!! Davidsyrett

9:41am Tue 5 Feb 13

jontyg says...

If we get a bad result tonight against Colchester, and the loan signings we had in place don't turn up this week, I believe Paolo will be clearing his desk soon after and he'll be off!!
Can't blame him really. He's been 'shafted' from all sides in this sorry state of affairs.
Good luck in what you in the future PDC.
You are the best manager that STFC has ever had!!
If we get a bad result tonight against Colchester, and the loan signings we had in place don't turn up this week, I believe Paolo will be clearing his desk soon after and he'll be off!! Can't blame him really. He's been 'shafted' from all sides in this sorry state of affairs. Good luck in what you in the future PDC. You are the best manager that STFC has ever had!! jontyg

9:43am Tue 5 Feb 13

the don69 says...

Do us a favour and toddle off,just a load of old waffle and info that's out there and Black hasn't spoken to Paolo for months so that's cr@p what you said about Black telling Paolo to sell more players!you know Didley Sh!t,just an attention seeking sad case!!!!!!!!!!!!
Do us a favour and toddle off,just a load of old waffle and info that's out there and Black hasn't spoken to Paolo for months so that's cr@p what you said about Black telling Paolo to sell more players!you know Didley Sh!t,just an attention seeking sad case!!!!!!!!!!!! the don69

9:46am Tue 5 Feb 13

MITTED says...

louiscassius wrote:
What a complete mess.

I agree with other fans.

I dont think i'm going to look for the rest of the week.....

I just cant, it hurts to much.....

I want too, obviously, but everytime i look, its depressing news......fans fending off Poxford fans.........or slagging each other....

I'm just fed up with the whole sorry story..............

Hope we get some good news sometime soon......doubt it!

I keep thinking of 'Guv'.........

Jesus, when i come to think of it, he wasnt that far from the truth really.......

Now, Breaking News:

"Take over bid falls through"

or

"Administrators have been called in to secure the future of the Club"

I hate using that word......but, jesus

"What the F*ck is going On"

Goooooddddddd!!!!!!!

!!!

Now the only person any good PDC is having to call players....

We didnt sign and say sorry.....

Jesus, is it me, or does anyone else find that just absolutely rediculous???

Louis :-((((

Sad, Sad times ahead.....
"The guv" said absolutely nothing new but mixed in a load of speculation and inuendo that didn't come true - thankfully Yet he claimed to be a true fan and all he ended up doing was creating a lot of needless angst for the real true fans.

The best thing to do is get behind the team and Paolo.
COYR
[quote][p][bold]louiscassius[/bold] wrote: What a complete mess. I agree with other fans. I dont think i'm going to look for the rest of the week..... I just cant, it hurts to much..... I want too, obviously, but everytime i look, its depressing news......fans fending off Poxford fans.........or slagging each other.... I'm just fed up with the whole sorry story.............. Hope we get some good news sometime soon......doubt it! I keep thinking of 'Guv'......... Jesus, when i come to think of it, he wasnt that far from the truth really....... Now, Breaking News: "Take over bid falls through" or "Administrators have been called in to secure the future of the Club" I hate using that word......but, jesus "What the F*ck is going On" Goooooddddddd!!!!!!! !!! Now the only person any good PDC is having to call players.... We didnt sign and say sorry..... Jesus, is it me, or does anyone else find that just absolutely rediculous??? Louis :-(((( Sad, Sad times ahead.....[/p][/quote]"The guv" said absolutely nothing new but mixed in a load of speculation and inuendo that didn't come true - thankfully Yet he claimed to be a true fan and all he ended up doing was creating a lot of needless angst for the real true fans. The best thing to do is get behind the team and Paolo. COYR MITTED

9:51am Tue 5 Feb 13

John Young's Grumpy says...

Louis,

Will be there Sat (and going tonight) so will look out for you. I'll be the one wearing a Swindon Town top.....

Only kidding, ask Katey behind the bar to point out the idiot who pays for his round from a plastic bag... She'll point me out 🍻👍

See Guv's back on. Either in the know or a wind up merchant..... Me I don't care - only gonna listen to facts and PDC.

COYR!
Louis, Will be there Sat (and going tonight) so will look out for you. I'll be the one wearing a Swindon Town top..... Only kidding, ask Katey behind the bar to point out the idiot who pays for his round from a plastic bag... She'll point me out 🍻👍 See Guv's back on. Either in the know or a wind up merchant..... Me I don't care - only gonna listen to facts and PDC. COYR! John Young's Grumpy

9:52am Tue 5 Feb 13

Guv says...

Ok David, well let's say it's not one it's many, I could tell you the obvious, when he joined he had a plan but blah blah, this isn't news, ok, I have to be careful how and what I say, it's very tricky and the last thing I want is the newspapers knowing too much as you can imagine as STFC fans, we always end up with our washing in the public domain.

Let's just say that MR B had several agreements with PDC, throughout the deal, PDC gets the chance to make himeself a manager, he had the great backing of a succesful board who shared the same ideas, that's why Fitton quit, he wasn't interested in instant promotion but building a succesful business that was profitable, fitton dreamed he could change football and make a club in the lower leagues profitable, he could but it would take years, a different kind of manager and very loyal fans who shared the same.

Mr B is a gambling man, he enjoys success, he's a quick buck man, he believed that PDC could return the club to the big days, he's not even broke or anywhere near broke, why people think this is beyond me, but this isn't an attack as that's not me. but promises include not having the backing but also a nice deal for PDC, a type of financial bonus that would paid to PDC to have us in the Championship, like if I say too much I think this will get read into wrong, but bascially he has friends who would love to own our club, if I was to say success wasn't cash but shares, (it keeps this clean) PDC would then get more and more of his friends into the club to run it, but the more that went on the bigger the costs, plus other directors didn't share this opportunity as basically it was if you remember last year Mr B tried asking them all to walk away and give up their shares, then Mr B promised new investors would be found, but the truth is Mr B tried playing very dirty, because they wasn't given any shares, it was as if mr B wanted to own the club 100%, sell the club and stitch up everyone, someone at the club saw through the deal, it wasn't in anyone's interest.

mr B claims he has financial problems to try and push pressure on the others to agreeing to very bad deals, this way, they had to write off massive investments, Mr b however has treated PDC badly.

His investors are his friends, they have invested in a certain other club in the 90s a very successful italian team, but now they blame PDC for falling for it, so it's not just about Richie, he has let down business people and in Italy you don't do this, it's about reputation. There was also a matter of a deal that should come into fruition this summer, that has been cancelled but in the contract of PDC it should still stand, so again, another beach of contract.

There are plenty of breaches he has to suffer, it's not just the obvious about players, moving to Swindon allowed him to expand his managerial chances but allowed his own interests (lets say) to get involved with small investments into the club.

The club promised PDC their plan, a championship club fighting for silverwear a little like Cardiff, not running before it walked but jogging shall we say?

When PDC took the club over, he was given the tools (not just transfer money) to do his job, let's say he has no tools left and is expected to do a house revalation today. It's impossible.
Ok David, well let's say it's not one it's many, I could tell you the obvious, when he joined he had a plan but blah blah, this isn't news, ok, I have to be careful how and what I say, it's very tricky and the last thing I want is the newspapers knowing too much as you can imagine as STFC fans, we always end up with our washing in the public domain. Let's just say that MR B had several agreements with PDC, throughout the deal, PDC gets the chance to make himeself a manager, he had the great backing of a succesful board who shared the same ideas, that's why Fitton quit, he wasn't interested in instant promotion but building a succesful business that was profitable, fitton dreamed he could change football and make a club in the lower leagues profitable, he could but it would take years, a different kind of manager and very loyal fans who shared the same. Mr B is a gambling man, he enjoys success, he's a quick buck man, he believed that PDC could return the club to the big days, he's not even broke or anywhere near broke, why people think this is beyond me, but this isn't an attack as that's not me. but promises include not having the backing but also a nice deal for PDC, a type of financial bonus that would paid to PDC to have us in the Championship, like if I say too much I think this will get read into wrong, but bascially he has friends who would love to own our club, if I was to say success wasn't cash but shares, (it keeps this clean) PDC would then get more and more of his friends into the club to run it, but the more that went on the bigger the costs, plus other directors didn't share this opportunity as basically it was if you remember last year Mr B tried asking them all to walk away and give up their shares, then Mr B promised new investors would be found, but the truth is Mr B tried playing very dirty, because they wasn't given any shares, it was as if mr B wanted to own the club 100%, sell the club and stitch up everyone, someone at the club saw through the deal, it wasn't in anyone's interest. mr B claims he has financial problems to try and push pressure on the others to agreeing to very bad deals, this way, they had to write off massive investments, Mr b however has treated PDC badly. His investors are his friends, they have invested in a certain other club in the 90s a very successful italian team, but now they blame PDC for falling for it, so it's not just about Richie, he has let down business people and in Italy you don't do this, it's about reputation. There was also a matter of a deal that should come into fruition this summer, that has been cancelled but in the contract of PDC it should still stand, so again, another beach of contract. There are plenty of breaches he has to suffer, it's not just the obvious about players, moving to Swindon allowed him to expand his managerial chances but allowed his own interests (lets say) to get involved with small investments into the club. The club promised PDC their plan, a championship club fighting for silverwear a little like Cardiff, not running before it walked but jogging shall we say? When PDC took the club over, he was given the tools (not just transfer money) to do his job, let's say he has no tools left and is expected to do a house revalation today. It's impossible. Guv

9:52am Tue 5 Feb 13

dreamofacleansheet2 says...

DD we are under 65% of budgeted turnover. How can this be considered Paolo wasting money? I just can't get my head around your criticism of him. Every manager, that's EVERY manager buys players that don't work out. We have an unbelievable squad that in my mind before the sale of Ritchie only needed 3 or 4 additions to be really competitive in the Championship.

Paolo may be prone to being outspoken but he is an unbelievably dedicated, hard working and inspirational manager. Each day he is here is a blessing ad long may it continue....
DD we are under 65% of budgeted turnover. How can this be considered Paolo wasting money? I just can't get my head around your criticism of him. Every manager, that's EVERY manager buys players that don't work out. We have an unbelievable squad that in my mind before the sale of Ritchie only needed 3 or 4 additions to be really competitive in the Championship. Paolo may be prone to being outspoken but he is an unbelievably dedicated, hard working and inspirational manager. Each day he is here is a blessing ad long may it continue.... dreamofacleansheet2

9:59am Tue 5 Feb 13

the don69 says...

Guv wrote:
Ok David, well let's say it's not one it's many, I could tell you the obvious, when he joined he had a plan but blah blah, this isn't news, ok, I have to be careful how and what I say, it's very tricky and the last thing I want is the newspapers knowing too much as you can imagine as STFC fans, we always end up with our washing in the public domain.

Let's just say that MR B had several agreements with PDC, throughout the deal, PDC gets the chance to make himeself a manager, he had the great backing of a succesful board who shared the same ideas, that's why Fitton quit, he wasn't interested in instant promotion but building a succesful business that was profitable, fitton dreamed he could change football and make a club in the lower leagues profitable, he could but it would take years, a different kind of manager and very loyal fans who shared the same.

Mr B is a gambling man, he enjoys success, he's a quick buck man, he believed that PDC could return the club to the big days, he's not even broke or anywhere near broke, why people think this is beyond me, but this isn't an attack as that's not me. but promises include not having the backing but also a nice deal for PDC, a type of financial bonus that would paid to PDC to have us in the Championship, like if I say too much I think this will get read into wrong, but bascially he has friends who would love to own our club, if I was to say success wasn't cash but shares, (it keeps this clean) PDC would then get more and more of his friends into the club to run it, but the more that went on the bigger the costs, plus other directors didn't share this opportunity as basically it was if you remember last year Mr B tried asking them all to walk away and give up their shares, then Mr B promised new investors would be found, but the truth is Mr B tried playing very dirty, because they wasn't given any shares, it was as if mr B wanted to own the club 100%, sell the club and stitch up everyone, someone at the club saw through the deal, it wasn't in anyone's interest.

mr B claims he has financial problems to try and push pressure on the others to agreeing to very bad deals, this way, they had to write off massive investments, Mr b however has treated PDC badly.

His investors are his friends, they have invested in a certain other club in the 90s a very successful italian team, but now they blame PDC for falling for it, so it's not just about Richie, he has let down business people and in Italy you don't do this, it's about reputation. There was also a matter of a deal that should come into fruition this summer, that has been cancelled but in the contract of PDC it should still stand, so again, another beach of contract.

There are plenty of breaches he has to suffer, it's not just the obvious about players, moving to Swindon allowed him to expand his managerial chances but allowed his own interests (lets say) to get involved with small investments into the club.

The club promised PDC their plan, a championship club fighting for silverwear a little like Cardiff, not running before it walked but jogging shall we say?

When PDC took the club over, he was given the tools (not just transfer money) to do his job, let's say he has no tools left and is expected to do a house revalation today. It's impossible.
Waffle,Waffle and more Waffle go back the rumour sites where you came from sad attention seeking case!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Guv[/bold] wrote: Ok David, well let's say it's not one it's many, I could tell you the obvious, when he joined he had a plan but blah blah, this isn't news, ok, I have to be careful how and what I say, it's very tricky and the last thing I want is the newspapers knowing too much as you can imagine as STFC fans, we always end up with our washing in the public domain. Let's just say that MR B had several agreements with PDC, throughout the deal, PDC gets the chance to make himeself a manager, he had the great backing of a succesful board who shared the same ideas, that's why Fitton quit, he wasn't interested in instant promotion but building a succesful business that was profitable, fitton dreamed he could change football and make a club in the lower leagues profitable, he could but it would take years, a different kind of manager and very loyal fans who shared the same. Mr B is a gambling man, he enjoys success, he's a quick buck man, he believed that PDC could return the club to the big days, he's not even broke or anywhere near broke, why people think this is beyond me, but this isn't an attack as that's not me. but promises include not having the backing but also a nice deal for PDC, a type of financial bonus that would paid to PDC to have us in the Championship, like if I say too much I think this will get read into wrong, but bascially he has friends who would love to own our club, if I was to say success wasn't cash but shares, (it keeps this clean) PDC would then get more and more of his friends into the club to run it, but the more that went on the bigger the costs, plus other directors didn't share this opportunity as basically it was if you remember last year Mr B tried asking them all to walk away and give up their shares, then Mr B promised new investors would be found, but the truth is Mr B tried playing very dirty, because they wasn't given any shares, it was as if mr B wanted to own the club 100%, sell the club and stitch up everyone, someone at the club saw through the deal, it wasn't in anyone's interest. mr B claims he has financial problems to try and push pressure on the others to agreeing to very bad deals, this way, they had to write off massive investments, Mr b however has treated PDC badly. His investors are his friends, they have invested in a certain other club in the 90s a very successful italian team, but now they blame PDC for falling for it, so it's not just about Richie, he has let down business people and in Italy you don't do this, it's about reputation. There was also a matter of a deal that should come into fruition this summer, that has been cancelled but in the contract of PDC it should still stand, so again, another beach of contract. There are plenty of breaches he has to suffer, it's not just the obvious about players, moving to Swindon allowed him to expand his managerial chances but allowed his own interests (lets say) to get involved with small investments into the club. The club promised PDC their plan, a championship club fighting for silverwear a little like Cardiff, not running before it walked but jogging shall we say? When PDC took the club over, he was given the tools (not just transfer money) to do his job, let's say he has no tools left and is expected to do a house revalation today. It's impossible.[/p][/quote]Waffle,Waffle and more Waffle go back the rumour sites where you came from sad attention seeking case!!!!!!!!!!!!! the don69

10:01am Tue 5 Feb 13

Davidsyrett says...

dreamofacleansheet2 wrote:
DD we are under 65% of budgeted turnover. How can this be considered Paolo wasting money? I just can't get my head around your criticism of him. Every manager, that's EVERY manager buys players that don't work out. We have an unbelievable squad that in my mind before the sale of Ritchie only needed 3 or 4 additions to be really competitive in the Championship.

Paolo may be prone to being outspoken but he is an unbelievably dedicated, hard working and inspirational manager. Each day he is here is a blessing ad long may it continue....
we are under the 65% wage cap because AB invested more money in the club to get u out of the transfer embargo.

My only real question with PdC is if he was told to reign in the spending, would he do so?

He is a great manager and I want him to remain here for a long time if possible, but surely he can stick it out and see what happens, he's no doubt on a good wage, what has he to lose?
[quote][p][bold]dreamofacleansheet2[/bold] wrote: DD we are under 65% of budgeted turnover. How can this be considered Paolo wasting money? I just can't get my head around your criticism of him. Every manager, that's EVERY manager buys players that don't work out. We have an unbelievable squad that in my mind before the sale of Ritchie only needed 3 or 4 additions to be really competitive in the Championship. Paolo may be prone to being outspoken but he is an unbelievably dedicated, hard working and inspirational manager. Each day he is here is a blessing ad long may it continue....[/p][/quote]we are under the 65% wage cap because AB invested more money in the club to get u out of the transfer embargo. My only real question with PdC is if he was told to reign in the spending, would he do so? He is a great manager and I want him to remain here for a long time if possible, but surely he can stick it out and see what happens, he's no doubt on a good wage, what has he to lose? Davidsyrett

10:03am Tue 5 Feb 13

dazinblack says...

Hey SAP where is the predicition thread for tonights game??
Hey SAP where is the predicition thread for tonights game?? dazinblack

10:04am Tue 5 Feb 13

Guv says...

PDC wage is average but the perks add up to a good wage
PDC wage is average but the perks add up to a good wage Guv

10:04am Tue 5 Feb 13

Davidsyrett says...

the don69 wrote:
Guv wrote:
Ok David, well let's say it's not one it's many, I could tell you the obvious, when he joined he had a plan but blah blah, this isn't news, ok, I have to be careful how and what I say, it's very tricky and the last thing I want is the newspapers knowing too much as you can imagine as STFC fans, we always end up with our washing in the public domain.

Let's just say that MR B had several agreements with PDC, throughout the deal, PDC gets the chance to make himeself a manager, he had the great backing of a succesful board who shared the same ideas, that's why Fitton quit, he wasn't interested in instant promotion but building a succesful business that was profitable, fitton dreamed he could change football and make a club in the lower leagues profitable, he could but it would take years, a different kind of manager and very loyal fans who shared the same.

Mr B is a gambling man, he enjoys success, he's a quick buck man, he believed that PDC could return the club to the big days, he's not even broke or anywhere near broke, why people think this is beyond me, but this isn't an attack as that's not me. but promises include not having the backing but also a nice deal for PDC, a type of financial bonus that would paid to PDC to have us in the Championship, like if I say too much I think this will get read into wrong, but bascially he has friends who would love to own our club, if I was to say success wasn't cash but shares, (it keeps this clean) PDC would then get more and more of his friends into the club to run it, but the more that went on the bigger the costs, plus other directors didn't share this opportunity as basically it was if you remember last year Mr B tried asking them all to walk away and give up their shares, then Mr B promised new investors would be found, but the truth is Mr B tried playing very dirty, because they wasn't given any shares, it was as if mr B wanted to own the club 100%, sell the club and stitch up everyone, someone at the club saw through the deal, it wasn't in anyone's interest.

mr B claims he has financial problems to try and push pressure on the others to agreeing to very bad deals, this way, they had to write off massive investments, Mr b however has treated PDC badly.

His investors are his friends, they have invested in a certain other club in the 90s a very successful italian team, but now they blame PDC for falling for it, so it's not just about Richie, he has let down business people and in Italy you don't do this, it's about reputation. There was also a matter of a deal that should come into fruition this summer, that has been cancelled but in the contract of PDC it should still stand, so again, another beach of contract.

There are plenty of breaches he has to suffer, it's not just the obvious about players, moving to Swindon allowed him to expand his managerial chances but allowed his own interests (lets say) to get involved with small investments into the club.

The club promised PDC their plan, a championship club fighting for silverwear a little like Cardiff, not running before it walked but jogging shall we say?

When PDC took the club over, he was given the tools (not just transfer money) to do his job, let's say he has no tools left and is expected to do a house revalation today. It's impossible.
Waffle,Waffle and more Waffle go back the rumour sites where you came from sad attention seeking case!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Fitton quit before PdC became manger, again nothing new and nothing we can substantiate. Agree with Don,
[quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Guv[/bold] wrote: Ok David, well let's say it's not one it's many, I could tell you the obvious, when he joined he had a plan but blah blah, this isn't news, ok, I have to be careful how and what I say, it's very tricky and the last thing I want is the newspapers knowing too much as you can imagine as STFC fans, we always end up with our washing in the public domain. Let's just say that MR B had several agreements with PDC, throughout the deal, PDC gets the chance to make himeself a manager, he had the great backing of a succesful board who shared the same ideas, that's why Fitton quit, he wasn't interested in instant promotion but building a succesful business that was profitable, fitton dreamed he could change football and make a club in the lower leagues profitable, he could but it would take years, a different kind of manager and very loyal fans who shared the same. Mr B is a gambling man, he enjoys success, he's a quick buck man, he believed that PDC could return the club to the big days, he's not even broke or anywhere near broke, why people think this is beyond me, but this isn't an attack as that's not me. but promises include not having the backing but also a nice deal for PDC, a type of financial bonus that would paid to PDC to have us in the Championship, like if I say too much I think this will get read into wrong, but bascially he has friends who would love to own our club, if I was to say success wasn't cash but shares, (it keeps this clean) PDC would then get more and more of his friends into the club to run it, but the more that went on the bigger the costs, plus other directors didn't share this opportunity as basically it was if you remember last year Mr B tried asking them all to walk away and give up their shares, then Mr B promised new investors would be found, but the truth is Mr B tried playing very dirty, because they wasn't given any shares, it was as if mr B wanted to own the club 100%, sell the club and stitch up everyone, someone at the club saw through the deal, it wasn't in anyone's interest. mr B claims he has financial problems to try and push pressure on the others to agreeing to very bad deals, this way, they had to write off massive investments, Mr b however has treated PDC badly. His investors are his friends, they have invested in a certain other club in the 90s a very successful italian team, but now they blame PDC for falling for it, so it's not just about Richie, he has let down business people and in Italy you don't do this, it's about reputation. There was also a matter of a deal that should come into fruition this summer, that has been cancelled but in the contract of PDC it should still stand, so again, another beach of contract. There are plenty of breaches he has to suffer, it's not just the obvious about players, moving to Swindon allowed him to expand his managerial chances but allowed his own interests (lets say) to get involved with small investments into the club. The club promised PDC their plan, a championship club fighting for silverwear a little like Cardiff, not running before it walked but jogging shall we say? When PDC took the club over, he was given the tools (not just transfer money) to do his job, let's say he has no tools left and is expected to do a house revalation today. It's impossible.[/p][/quote]Waffle,Waffle and more Waffle go back the rumour sites where you came from sad attention seeking case!!!!!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Fitton quit before PdC became manger, again nothing new and nothing we can substantiate. Agree with Don, Davidsyrett

10:06am Tue 5 Feb 13

Guv says...

the don69 wrote:
Guv wrote:
Ok David, well let's say it's not one it's many, I could tell you the obvious, when he joined he had a plan but blah blah, this isn't news, ok, I have to be careful how and what I say, it's very tricky and the last thing I want is the newspapers knowing too much as you can imagine as STFC fans, we always end up with our washing in the public domain.

Let's just say that MR B had several agreements with PDC, throughout the deal, PDC gets the chance to make himeself a manager, he had the great backing of a succesful board who shared the same ideas, that's why Fitton quit, he wasn't interested in instant promotion but building a succesful business that was profitable, fitton dreamed he could change football and make a club in the lower leagues profitable, he could but it would take years, a different kind of manager and very loyal fans who shared the same.

Mr B is a gambling man, he enjoys success, he's a quick buck man, he believed that PDC could return the club to the big days, he's not even broke or anywhere near broke, why people think this is beyond me, but this isn't an attack as that's not me. but promises include not having the backing but also a nice deal for PDC, a type of financial bonus that would paid to PDC to have us in the Championship, like if I say too much I think this will get read into wrong, but bascially he has friends who would love to own our club, if I was to say success wasn't cash but shares, (it keeps this clean) PDC would then get more and more of his friends into the club to run it, but the more that went on the bigger the costs, plus other directors didn't share this opportunity as basically it was if you remember last year Mr B tried asking them all to walk away and give up their shares, then Mr B promised new investors would be found, but the truth is Mr B tried playing very dirty, because they wasn't given any shares, it was as if mr B wanted to own the club 100%, sell the club and stitch up everyone, someone at the club saw through the deal, it wasn't in anyone's interest.

mr B claims he has financial problems to try and push pressure on the others to agreeing to very bad deals, this way, they had to write off massive investments, Mr b however has treated PDC badly.

His investors are his friends, they have invested in a certain other club in the 90s a very successful italian team, but now they blame PDC for falling for it, so it's not just about Richie, he has let down business people and in Italy you don't do this, it's about reputation. There was also a matter of a deal that should come into fruition this summer, that has been cancelled but in the contract of PDC it should still stand, so again, another beach of contract.

There are plenty of breaches he has to suffer, it's not just the obvious about players, moving to Swindon allowed him to expand his managerial chances but allowed his own interests (lets say) to get involved with small investments into the club.

The club promised PDC their plan, a championship club fighting for silverwear a little like Cardiff, not running before it walked but jogging shall we say?

When PDC took the club over, he was given the tools (not just transfer money) to do his job, let's say he has no tools left and is expected to do a house revalation today. It's impossible.
Waffle,Waffle and more Waffle go back the rumour sites where you came from sad attention seeking case!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Rumour sites are just that, they get nothing right, I have told you all how it is in advance everytime. If it was waffle the law of averages would see a lot more than 1 wrong in 36. Try and guess at roulette 35 right out of 36.

It's not waffle its fact, even this site has been wrong more than me in the same time period. The club take over (wrong) transfers (wrong) that's just 2, 100% more wrong than me in those two alone!
[quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Guv[/bold] wrote: Ok David, well let's say it's not one it's many, I could tell you the obvious, when he joined he had a plan but blah blah, this isn't news, ok, I have to be careful how and what I say, it's very tricky and the last thing I want is the newspapers knowing too much as you can imagine as STFC fans, we always end up with our washing in the public domain. Let's just say that MR B had several agreements with PDC, throughout the deal, PDC gets the chance to make himeself a manager, he had the great backing of a succesful board who shared the same ideas, that's why Fitton quit, he wasn't interested in instant promotion but building a succesful business that was profitable, fitton dreamed he could change football and make a club in the lower leagues profitable, he could but it would take years, a different kind of manager and very loyal fans who shared the same. Mr B is a gambling man, he enjoys success, he's a quick buck man, he believed that PDC could return the club to the big days, he's not even broke or anywhere near broke, why people think this is beyond me, but this isn't an attack as that's not me. but promises include not having the backing but also a nice deal for PDC, a type of financial bonus that would paid to PDC to have us in the Championship, like if I say too much I think this will get read into wrong, but bascially he has friends who would love to own our club, if I was to say success wasn't cash but shares, (it keeps this clean) PDC would then get more and more of his friends into the club to run it, but the more that went on the bigger the costs, plus other directors didn't share this opportunity as basically it was if you remember last year Mr B tried asking them all to walk away and give up their shares, then Mr B promised new investors would be found, but the truth is Mr B tried playing very dirty, because they wasn't given any shares, it was as if mr B wanted to own the club 100%, sell the club and stitch up everyone, someone at the club saw through the deal, it wasn't in anyone's interest. mr B claims he has financial problems to try and push pressure on the others to agreeing to very bad deals, this way, they had to write off massive investments, Mr b however has treated PDC badly. His investors are his friends, they have invested in a certain other club in the 90s a very successful italian team, but now they blame PDC for falling for it, so it's not just about Richie, he has let down business people and in Italy you don't do this, it's about reputation. There was also a matter of a deal that should come into fruition this summer, that has been cancelled but in the contract of PDC it should still stand, so again, another beach of contract. There are plenty of breaches he has to suffer, it's not just the obvious about players, moving to Swindon allowed him to expand his managerial chances but allowed his own interests (lets say) to get involved with small investments into the club. The club promised PDC their plan, a championship club fighting for silverwear a little like Cardiff, not running before it walked but jogging shall we say? When PDC took the club over, he was given the tools (not just transfer money) to do his job, let's say he has no tools left and is expected to do a house revalation today. It's impossible.[/p][/quote]Waffle,Waffle and more Waffle go back the rumour sites where you came from sad attention seeking case!!!!!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Rumour sites are just that, they get nothing right, I have told you all how it is in advance everytime. If it was waffle the law of averages would see a lot more than 1 wrong in 36. Try and guess at roulette 35 right out of 36. It's not waffle its fact, even this site has been wrong more than me in the same time period. The club take over (wrong) transfers (wrong) that's just 2, 100% more wrong than me in those two alone! Guv

10:08am Tue 5 Feb 13

louiscassius says...

Guv wrote:
Ok David, well let's say it's not one it's many, I could tell you the obvious, when he joined he had a plan but blah blah, this isn't news, ok, I have to be careful how and what I say, it's very tricky and the last thing I want is the newspapers knowing too much as you can imagine as STFC fans, we always end up with our washing in the public domain. Let's just say that MR B had several agreements with PDC, throughout the deal, PDC gets the chance to make himeself a manager, he had the great backing of a succesful board who shared the same ideas, that's why Fitton quit, he wasn't interested in instant promotion but building a succesful business that was profitable, fitton dreamed he could change football and make a club in the lower leagues profitable, he could but it would take years, a different kind of manager and very loyal fans who shared the same. Mr B is a gambling man, he enjoys success, he's a quick buck man, he believed that PDC could return the club to the big days, he's not even broke or anywhere near broke, why people think this is beyond me, but this isn't an attack as that's not me. but promises include not having the backing but also a nice deal for PDC, a type of financial bonus that would paid to PDC to have us in the Championship, like if I say too much I think this will get read into wrong, but bascially he has friends who would love to own our club, if I was to say success wasn't cash but shares, (it keeps this clean) PDC would then get more and more of his friends into the club to run it, but the more that went on the bigger the costs, plus other directors didn't share this opportunity as basically it was if you remember last year Mr B tried asking them all to walk away and give up their shares, then Mr B promised new investors would be found, but the truth is Mr B tried playing very dirty, because they wasn't given any shares, it was as if mr B wanted to own the club 100%, sell the club and stitch up everyone, someone at the club saw through the deal, it wasn't in anyone's interest. mr B claims he has financial problems to try and push pressure on the others to agreeing to very bad deals, this way, they had to write off massive investments, Mr b however has treated PDC badly. His investors are his friends, they have invested in a certain other club in the 90s a very successful italian team, but now they blame PDC for falling for it, so it's not just about Richie, he has let down business people and in Italy you don't do this, it's about reputation. There was also a matter of a deal that should come into fruition this summer, that has been cancelled but in the contract of PDC it should still stand, so again, another beach of contract. There are plenty of breaches he has to suffer, it's not just the obvious about players, moving to Swindon allowed him to expand his managerial chances but allowed his own interests (lets say) to get involved with small investments into the club. The club promised PDC their plan, a championship club fighting for silverwear a little like Cardiff, not running before it walked but jogging shall we say? When PDC took the club over, he was given the tools (not just transfer money) to do his job, let's say he has no tools left and is expected to do a house revalation today. It's impossible.
Blummin hell.

Where does this leave us now mate??

Is there any plans for 'Damage Limitation'

Louis :-((((
[quote][p][bold]Guv[/bold] wrote: Ok David, well let's say it's not one it's many, I could tell you the obvious, when he joined he had a plan but blah blah, this isn't news, ok, I have to be careful how and what I say, it's very tricky and the last thing I want is the newspapers knowing too much as you can imagine as STFC fans, we always end up with our washing in the public domain. Let's just say that MR B had several agreements with PDC, throughout the deal, PDC gets the chance to make himeself a manager, he had the great backing of a succesful board who shared the same ideas, that's why Fitton quit, he wasn't interested in instant promotion but building a succesful business that was profitable, fitton dreamed he could change football and make a club in the lower leagues profitable, he could but it would take years, a different kind of manager and very loyal fans who shared the same. Mr B is a gambling man, he enjoys success, he's a quick buck man, he believed that PDC could return the club to the big days, he's not even broke or anywhere near broke, why people think this is beyond me, but this isn't an attack as that's not me. but promises include not having the backing but also a nice deal for PDC, a type of financial bonus that would paid to PDC to have us in the Championship, like if I say too much I think this will get read into wrong, but bascially he has friends who would love to own our club, if I was to say success wasn't cash but shares, (it keeps this clean) PDC would then get more and more of his friends into the club to run it, but the more that went on the bigger the costs, plus other directors didn't share this opportunity as basically it was if you remember last year Mr B tried asking them all to walk away and give up their shares, then Mr B promised new investors would be found, but the truth is Mr B tried playing very dirty, because they wasn't given any shares, it was as if mr B wanted to own the club 100%, sell the club and stitch up everyone, someone at the club saw through the deal, it wasn't in anyone's interest. mr B claims he has financial problems to try and push pressure on the others to agreeing to very bad deals, this way, they had to write off massive investments, Mr b however has treated PDC badly. His investors are his friends, they have invested in a certain other club in the 90s a very successful italian team, but now they blame PDC for falling for it, so it's not just about Richie, he has let down business people and in Italy you don't do this, it's about reputation. There was also a matter of a deal that should come into fruition this summer, that has been cancelled but in the contract of PDC it should still stand, so again, another beach of contract. There are plenty of breaches he has to suffer, it's not just the obvious about players, moving to Swindon allowed him to expand his managerial chances but allowed his own interests (lets say) to get involved with small investments into the club. The club promised PDC their plan, a championship club fighting for silverwear a little like Cardiff, not running before it walked but jogging shall we say? When PDC took the club over, he was given the tools (not just transfer money) to do his job, let's say he has no tools left and is expected to do a house revalation today. It's impossible.[/p][/quote]Blummin hell. Where does this leave us now mate?? Is there any plans for 'Damage Limitation' Louis :-(((( louiscassius

10:09am Tue 5 Feb 13

Guv says...

I am not breaking my cover today but I am close and when I do you will understand. I was going to move on to JW which is very interesting...
I am not breaking my cover today but I am close and when I do you will understand. I was going to move on to JW which is very interesting... Guv

10:15am Tue 5 Feb 13

the don69 says...

Guv wrote:
the don69 wrote:
Guv wrote:
Ok David, well let's say it's not one it's many, I could tell you the obvious, when he joined he had a plan but blah blah, this isn't news, ok, I have to be careful how and what I say, it's very tricky and the last thing I want is the newspapers knowing too much as you can imagine as STFC fans, we always end up with our washing in the public domain.

Let's just say that MR B had several agreements with PDC, throughout the deal, PDC gets the chance to make himeself a manager, he had the great backing of a succesful board who shared the same ideas, that's why Fitton quit, he wasn't interested in instant promotion but building a succesful business that was profitable, fitton dreamed he could change football and make a club in the lower leagues profitable, he could but it would take years, a different kind of manager and very loyal fans who shared the same.

Mr B is a gambling man, he enjoys success, he's a quick buck man, he believed that PDC could return the club to the big days, he's not even broke or anywhere near broke, why people think this is beyond me, but this isn't an attack as that's not me. but promises include not having the backing but also a nice deal for PDC, a type of financial bonus that would paid to PDC to have us in the Championship, like if I say too much I think this will get read into wrong, but bascially he has friends who would love to own our club, if I was to say success wasn't cash but shares, (it keeps this clean) PDC would then get more and more of his friends into the club to run it, but the more that went on the bigger the costs, plus other directors didn't share this opportunity as basically it was if you remember last year Mr B tried asking them all to walk away and give up their shares, then Mr B promised new investors would be found, but the truth is Mr B tried playing very dirty, because they wasn't given any shares, it was as if mr B wanted to own the club 100%, sell the club and stitch up everyone, someone at the club saw through the deal, it wasn't in anyone's interest.

mr B claims he has financial problems to try and push pressure on the others to agreeing to very bad deals, this way, they had to write off massive investments, Mr b however has treated PDC badly.

His investors are his friends, they have invested in a certain other club in the 90s a very successful italian team, but now they blame PDC for falling for it, so it's not just about Richie, he has let down business people and in Italy you don't do this, it's about reputation. There was also a matter of a deal that should come into fruition this summer, that has been cancelled but in the contract of PDC it should still stand, so again, another beach of contract.

There are plenty of breaches he has to suffer, it's not just the obvious about players, moving to Swindon allowed him to expand his managerial chances but allowed his own interests (lets say) to get involved with small investments into the club.

The club promised PDC their plan, a championship club fighting for silverwear a little like Cardiff, not running before it walked but jogging shall we say?

When PDC took the club over, he was given the tools (not just transfer money) to do his job, let's say he has no tools left and is expected to do a house revalation today. It's impossible.
Waffle,Waffle and more Waffle go back the rumour sites where you came from sad attention seeking case!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Rumour sites are just that, they get nothing right, I have told you all how it is in advance everytime. If it was waffle the law of averages would see a lot more than 1 wrong in 36. Try and guess at roulette 35 right out of 36.

It's not waffle its fact, even this site has been wrong more than me in the same time period. The club take over (wrong) transfers (wrong) that's just 2, 100% more wrong than me in those two alone!
Utter Rubbish!go and seek your attention elsewhere Waffler!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!
[quote][p][bold]Guv[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Guv[/bold] wrote: Ok David, well let's say it's not one it's many, I could tell you the obvious, when he joined he had a plan but blah blah, this isn't news, ok, I have to be careful how and what I say, it's very tricky and the last thing I want is the newspapers knowing too much as you can imagine as STFC fans, we always end up with our washing in the public domain. Let's just say that MR B had several agreements with PDC, throughout the deal, PDC gets the chance to make himeself a manager, he had the great backing of a succesful board who shared the same ideas, that's why Fitton quit, he wasn't interested in instant promotion but building a succesful business that was profitable, fitton dreamed he could change football and make a club in the lower leagues profitable, he could but it would take years, a different kind of manager and very loyal fans who shared the same. Mr B is a gambling man, he enjoys success, he's a quick buck man, he believed that PDC could return the club to the big days, he's not even broke or anywhere near broke, why people think this is beyond me, but this isn't an attack as that's not me. but promises include not having the backing but also a nice deal for PDC, a type of financial bonus that would paid to PDC to have us in the Championship, like if I say too much I think this will get read into wrong, but bascially he has friends who would love to own our club, if I was to say success wasn't cash but shares, (it keeps this clean) PDC would then get more and more of his friends into the club to run it, but the more that went on the bigger the costs, plus other directors didn't share this opportunity as basically it was if you remember last year Mr B tried asking them all to walk away and give up their shares, then Mr B promised new investors would be found, but the truth is Mr B tried playing very dirty, because they wasn't given any shares, it was as if mr B wanted to own the club 100%, sell the club and stitch up everyone, someone at the club saw through the deal, it wasn't in anyone's interest. mr B claims he has financial problems to try and push pressure on the others to agreeing to very bad deals, this way, they had to write off massive investments, Mr b however has treated PDC badly. His investors are his friends, they have invested in a certain other club in the 90s a very successful italian team, but now they blame PDC for falling for it, so it's not just about Richie, he has let down business people and in Italy you don't do this, it's about reputation. There was also a matter of a deal that should come into fruition this summer, that has been cancelled but in the contract of PDC it should still stand, so again, another beach of contract. There are plenty of breaches he has to suffer, it's not just the obvious about players, moving to Swindon allowed him to expand his managerial chances but allowed his own interests (lets say) to get involved with small investments into the club. The club promised PDC their plan, a championship club fighting for silverwear a little like Cardiff, not running before it walked but jogging shall we say? When PDC took the club over, he was given the tools (not just transfer money) to do his job, let's say he has no tools left and is expected to do a house revalation today. It's impossible.[/p][/quote]Waffle,Waffle and more Waffle go back the rumour sites where you came from sad attention seeking case!!!!!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Rumour sites are just that, they get nothing right, I have told you all how it is in advance everytime. If it was waffle the law of averages would see a lot more than 1 wrong in 36. Try and guess at roulette 35 right out of 36. It's not waffle its fact, even this site has been wrong more than me in the same time period. The club take over (wrong) transfers (wrong) that's just 2, 100% more wrong than me in those two alone![/p][/quote]Utter Rubbish!go and seek your attention elsewhere Waffler!!!!!!!!!!!!! !! the don69

10:19am Tue 5 Feb 13

RED STATE says...

Judging by PDC's Comments, I think he has already gone. People need to wake up to this, he is doing his level best to irritate the new owners before they even step in. I think probably a fresh start is needed, it pains me to say this as PDC has been a joy to behold and brought entertaining Football back to the County Ground but he was Jeremy Wray's Man and now that Wray has gone and AB, the new owners are probably not going to put up with PDC's antics. The comment about Professionalism was in my opinion a direct dig at the new owners. Time to stop clinging on to a lost cause and accept that things are going to change.
Judging by PDC's Comments, I think he has already gone. People need to wake up to this, he is doing his level best to irritate the new owners before they even step in. I think probably a fresh start is needed, it pains me to say this as PDC has been a joy to behold and brought entertaining Football back to the County Ground but he was Jeremy Wray's Man and now that Wray has gone and AB, the new owners are probably not going to put up with PDC's antics. The comment about Professionalism was in my opinion a direct dig at the new owners. Time to stop clinging on to a lost cause and accept that things are going to change. RED STATE

10:23am Tue 5 Feb 13

Guv says...

louiscassius wrote:
Guv wrote:
Ok David, well let's say it's not one it's many, I could tell you the obvious, when he joined he had a plan but blah blah, this isn't news, ok, I have to be careful how and what I say, it's very tricky and the last thing I want is the newspapers knowing too much as you can imagine as STFC fans, we always end up with our washing in the public domain. Let's just say that MR B had several agreements with PDC, throughout the deal, PDC gets the chance to make himeself a manager, he had the great backing of a succesful board who shared the same ideas, that's why Fitton quit, he wasn't interested in instant promotion but building a succesful business that was profitable, fitton dreamed he could change football and make a club in the lower leagues profitable, he could but it would take years, a different kind of manager and very loyal fans who shared the same. Mr B is a gambling man, he enjoys success, he's a quick buck man, he believed that PDC could return the club to the big days, he's not even broke or anywhere near broke, why people think this is beyond me, but this isn't an attack as that's not me. but promises include not having the backing but also a nice deal for PDC, a type of financial bonus that would paid to PDC to have us in the Championship, like if I say too much I think this will get read into wrong, but bascially he has friends who would love to own our club, if I was to say success wasn't cash but shares, (it keeps this clean) PDC would then get more and more of his friends into the club to run it, but the more that went on the bigger the costs, plus other directors didn't share this opportunity as basically it was if you remember last year Mr B tried asking them all to walk away and give up their shares, then Mr B promised new investors would be found, but the truth is Mr B tried playing very dirty, because they wasn't given any shares, it was as if mr B wanted to own the club 100%, sell the club and stitch up everyone, someone at the club saw through the deal, it wasn't in anyone's interest. mr B claims he has financial problems to try and push pressure on the others to agreeing to very bad deals, this way, they had to write off massive investments, Mr b however has treated PDC badly. His investors are his friends, they have invested in a certain other club in the 90s a very successful italian team, but now they blame PDC for falling for it, so it's not just about Richie, he has let down business people and in Italy you don't do this, it's about reputation. There was also a matter of a deal that should come into fruition this summer, that has been cancelled but in the contract of PDC it should still stand, so again, another beach of contract. There are plenty of breaches he has to suffer, it's not just the obvious about players, moving to Swindon allowed him to expand his managerial chances but allowed his own interests (lets say) to get involved with small investments into the club. The club promised PDC their plan, a championship club fighting for silverwear a little like Cardiff, not running before it walked but jogging shall we say? When PDC took the club over, he was given the tools (not just transfer money) to do his job, let's say he has no tools left and is expected to do a house revalation today. It's impossible.
Blummin hell.

Where does this leave us now mate??

Is there any plans for 'Damage Limitation'

Louis :-((((
Louis, football league approval is due today, that's all going on Jed doing what he had to do, he pretty much met 85% of their requirements so they could by all chance say no to the deal and leave us in A still. I have it on very good authority that that's unlikely because they have an interest financially for us not to go into A. The board set up should the approval go ahead is going to see Jed have some say with MR B but there will ongoing investors sort, the plan is to free up to 30% of both share holders for more investors to come into the club, seeing MR B walk away in full. The reason Mr B hasn't walked away in full isn't down just to the face the offer was way off his expectation but also because he is tied to a much bigger deal should he walk away.

Let's say that football league gave approval now, there would be 2 of the 3 only (I was the first to tell you that on Friday) join us, plus there is discussion of 2 more players for 1 month to help injury problems but no further signings and no further extensions down the line unless really required so it's pretty much what we have now.

Players contracts will not be signed because the club is undergoing a massive restructure

Come the summer, Mr B wants players sold, some of their contracts are too high, Jed is a yes man to this but will want to use some money to reinvest to the squad, this is where PDC will leave us, only because he won't be in control of the players in that respect. He has had conditions met this week which is why he is still here (from the meeting I told you about), he will get to see if Jed has the balls to do what he is promising or if he will become another Mr B, at the moment, Jed is willing and open to new investors
[quote][p][bold]louiscassius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Guv[/bold] wrote: Ok David, well let's say it's not one it's many, I could tell you the obvious, when he joined he had a plan but blah blah, this isn't news, ok, I have to be careful how and what I say, it's very tricky and the last thing I want is the newspapers knowing too much as you can imagine as STFC fans, we always end up with our washing in the public domain. Let's just say that MR B had several agreements with PDC, throughout the deal, PDC gets the chance to make himeself a manager, he had the great backing of a succesful board who shared the same ideas, that's why Fitton quit, he wasn't interested in instant promotion but building a succesful business that was profitable, fitton dreamed he could change football and make a club in the lower leagues profitable, he could but it would take years, a different kind of manager and very loyal fans who shared the same. Mr B is a gambling man, he enjoys success, he's a quick buck man, he believed that PDC could return the club to the big days, he's not even broke or anywhere near broke, why people think this is beyond me, but this isn't an attack as that's not me. but promises include not having the backing but also a nice deal for PDC, a type of financial bonus that would paid to PDC to have us in the Championship, like if I say too much I think this will get read into wrong, but bascially he has friends who would love to own our club, if I was to say success wasn't cash but shares, (it keeps this clean) PDC would then get more and more of his friends into the club to run it, but the more that went on the bigger the costs, plus other directors didn't share this opportunity as basically it was if you remember last year Mr B tried asking them all to walk away and give up their shares, then Mr B promised new investors would be found, but the truth is Mr B tried playing very dirty, because they wasn't given any shares, it was as if mr B wanted to own the club 100%, sell the club and stitch up everyone, someone at the club saw through the deal, it wasn't in anyone's interest. mr B claims he has financial problems to try and push pressure on the others to agreeing to very bad deals, this way, they had to write off massive investments, Mr b however has treated PDC badly. His investors are his friends, they have invested in a certain other club in the 90s a very successful italian team, but now they blame PDC for falling for it, so it's not just about Richie, he has let down business people and in Italy you don't do this, it's about reputation. There was also a matter of a deal that should come into fruition this summer, that has been cancelled but in the contract of PDC it should still stand, so again, another beach of contract. There are plenty of breaches he has to suffer, it's not just the obvious about players, moving to Swindon allowed him to expand his managerial chances but allowed his own interests (lets say) to get involved with small investments into the club. The club promised PDC their plan, a championship club fighting for silverwear a little like Cardiff, not running before it walked but jogging shall we say? When PDC took the club over, he was given the tools (not just transfer money) to do his job, let's say he has no tools left and is expected to do a house revalation today. It's impossible.[/p][/quote]Blummin hell. Where does this leave us now mate?? Is there any plans for 'Damage Limitation' Louis :-(((([/p][/quote]Louis, football league approval is due today, that's all going on Jed doing what he had to do, he pretty much met 85% of their requirements so they could by all chance say no to the deal and leave us in A still. I have it on very good authority that that's unlikely because they have an interest financially for us not to go into A. The board set up should the approval go ahead is going to see Jed have some say with MR B but there will ongoing investors sort, the plan is to free up to 30% of both share holders for more investors to come into the club, seeing MR B walk away in full. The reason Mr B hasn't walked away in full isn't down just to the face the offer was way off his expectation but also because he is tied to a much bigger deal should he walk away. Let's say that football league gave approval now, there would be 2 of the 3 only (I was the first to tell you that on Friday) join us, plus there is discussion of 2 more players for 1 month to help injury problems but no further signings and no further extensions down the line unless really required so it's pretty much what we have now. Players contracts will not be signed because the club is undergoing a massive restructure Come the summer, Mr B wants players sold, some of their contracts are too high, Jed is a yes man to this but will want to use some money to reinvest to the squad, this is where PDC will leave us, only because he won't be in control of the players in that respect. He has had conditions met this week which is why he is still here (from the meeting I told you about), he will get to see if Jed has the balls to do what he is promising or if he will become another Mr B, at the moment, Jed is willing and open to new investors Guv

10:27am Tue 5 Feb 13

mike1990 says...

the don69 wrote:
Do us a favour and toddle off,just a load of old waffle and info that's out there and Black hasn't spoken to Paolo for months so that's cr@p what you said about Black telling Paolo to sell more players!you know Didley Sh!t,just an attention seeking sad case!!!!!!!!!!!!
Spot on Don,just a sad,sad attention seeker poor little guv go and get a job and a life,make yourself useful instead of useless.
[quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: Do us a favour and toddle off,just a load of old waffle and info that's out there and Black hasn't spoken to Paolo for months so that's cr@p what you said about Black telling Paolo to sell more players!you know Didley Sh!t,just an attention seeking sad case!!!!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Spot on Don,just a sad,sad attention seeker poor little guv go and get a job and a life,make yourself useful instead of useless. mike1990

10:55am Tue 5 Feb 13

wiki27 says...

Apologies if its been mentioned or addressed before, but has anyone got an idea as to when the FL will sanction the buyout?
Apologies if its been mentioned or addressed before, but has anyone got an idea as to when the FL will sanction the buyout? wiki27

11:11am Tue 5 Feb 13

swindonthruandthru says...

more old news
more old news swindonthruandthru

11:30am Tue 5 Feb 13

TheBrightSide says...

Good morning guys, I read this sight everyday, with interest but very rarely, if ever comment. I went to my first game in 1969, am a Town End season ticket holder and have been for years.
I don't have a clue who 'The Guv' is but, at the moment, his posts are the only ones I read with interest. He may have suckered me in and if that is the case, then I am a fool. Guv you are never going to 'come clean' as you will leave yourself open to all sorts of allegations. Where do you get your so called 'exclusives' from?
Good morning guys, I read this sight everyday, with interest but very rarely, if ever comment. I went to my first game in 1969, am a Town End season ticket holder and have been for years. I don't have a clue who 'The Guv' is but, at the moment, his posts are the only ones I read with interest. He may have suckered me in and if that is the case, then I am a fool. Guv you are never going to 'come clean' as you will leave yourself open to all sorts of allegations. Where do you get your so called 'exclusives' from? TheBrightSide

11:31am Tue 5 Feb 13

red_welder says...

Guv wrote:
louiscassius wrote:
Guv wrote: Ok David, well let's say it's not one it's many, I could tell you the obvious, when he joined he had a plan but blah blah, this isn't news, ok, I have to be careful how and what I say, it's very tricky and the last thing I want is the newspapers knowing too much as you can imagine as STFC fans, we always end up with our washing in the public domain. Let's just say that MR B had several agreements with PDC, throughout the deal, PDC gets the chance to make himeself a manager, he had the great backing of a succesful board who shared the same ideas, that's why Fitton quit, he wasn't interested in instant promotion but building a succesful business that was profitable, fitton dreamed he could change football and make a club in the lower leagues profitable, he could but it would take years, a different kind of manager and very loyal fans who shared the same. Mr B is a gambling man, he enjoys success, he's a quick buck man, he believed that PDC could return the club to the big days, he's not even broke or anywhere near broke, why people think this is beyond me, but this isn't an attack as that's not me. but promises include not having the backing but also a nice deal for PDC, a type of financial bonus that would paid to PDC to have us in the Championship, like if I say too much I think this will get read into wrong, but bascially he has friends who would love to own our club, if I was to say success wasn't cash but shares, (it keeps this clean) PDC would then get more and more of his friends into the club to run it, but the more that went on the bigger the costs, plus other directors didn't share this opportunity as basically it was if you remember last year Mr B tried asking them all to walk away and give up their shares, then Mr B promised new investors would be found, but the truth is Mr B tried playing very dirty, because they wasn't given any shares, it was as if mr B wanted to own the club 100%, sell the club and stitch up everyone, someone at the club saw through the deal, it wasn't in anyone's interest. mr B claims he has financial problems to try and push pressure on the others to agreeing to very bad deals, this way, they had to write off massive investments, Mr b however has treated PDC badly. His investors are his friends, they have invested in a certain other club in the 90s a very successful italian team, but now they blame PDC for falling for it, so it's not just about Richie, he has let down business people and in Italy you don't do this, it's about reputation. There was also a matter of a deal that should come into fruition this summer, that has been cancelled but in the contract of PDC it should still stand, so again, another beach of contract. There are plenty of breaches he has to suffer, it's not just the obvious about players, moving to Swindon allowed him to expand his managerial chances but allowed his own interests (lets say) to get involved with small investments into the club. The club promised PDC their plan, a championship club fighting for silverwear a little like Cardiff, not running before it walked but jogging shall we say? When PDC took the club over, he was given the tools (not just transfer money) to do his job, let's say he has no tools left and is expected to do a house revalation today. It's impossible.
Blummin hell. Where does this leave us now mate?? Is there any plans for 'Damage Limitation' Louis :-((((
Louis, football league approval is due today, that's all going on Jed doing what he had to do, he pretty much met 85% of their requirements so they could by all chance say no to the deal and leave us in A still. I have it on very good authority that that's unlikely because they have an interest financially for us not to go into A. The board set up should the approval go ahead is going to see Jed have some say with MR B but there will ongoing investors sort, the plan is to free up to 30% of both share holders for more investors to come into the club, seeing MR B walk away in full. The reason Mr B hasn't walked away in full isn't down just to the face the offer was way off his expectation but also because he is tied to a much bigger deal should he walk away. Let's say that football league gave approval now, there would be 2 of the 3 only (I was the first to tell you that on Friday) join us, plus there is discussion of 2 more players for 1 month to help injury problems but no further signings and no further extensions down the line unless really required so it's pretty much what we have now. Players contracts will not be signed because the club is undergoing a massive restructure Come the summer, Mr B wants players sold, some of their contracts are too high, Jed is a yes man to this but will want to use some money to reinvest to the squad, this is where PDC will leave us, only because he won't be in control of the players in that respect. He has had conditions met this week which is why he is still here (from the meeting I told you about), he will get to see if Jed has the balls to do what he is promising or if he will become another Mr B, at the moment, Jed is willing and open to new investors
If you say Jed is a 'yes' man who is he saying yes to? Black wants to sell his majority share holding therefore he can't tell him how to run the club and surely he knows what the new investors wont!
[quote][p][bold]Guv[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]louiscassius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Guv[/bold] wrote: Ok David, well let's say it's not one it's many, I could tell you the obvious, when he joined he had a plan but blah blah, this isn't news, ok, I have to be careful how and what I say, it's very tricky and the last thing I want is the newspapers knowing too much as you can imagine as STFC fans, we always end up with our washing in the public domain. Let's just say that MR B had several agreements with PDC, throughout the deal, PDC gets the chance to make himeself a manager, he had the great backing of a succesful board who shared the same ideas, that's why Fitton quit, he wasn't interested in instant promotion but building a succesful business that was profitable, fitton dreamed he could change football and make a club in the lower leagues profitable, he could but it would take years, a different kind of manager and very loyal fans who shared the same. Mr B is a gambling man, he enjoys success, he's a quick buck man, he believed that PDC could return the club to the big days, he's not even broke or anywhere near broke, why people think this is beyond me, but this isn't an attack as that's not me. but promises include not having the backing but also a nice deal for PDC, a type of financial bonus that would paid to PDC to have us in the Championship, like if I say too much I think this will get read into wrong, but bascially he has friends who would love to own our club, if I was to say success wasn't cash but shares, (it keeps this clean) PDC would then get more and more of his friends into the club to run it, but the more that went on the bigger the costs, plus other directors didn't share this opportunity as basically it was if you remember last year Mr B tried asking them all to walk away and give up their shares, then Mr B promised new investors would be found, but the truth is Mr B tried playing very dirty, because they wasn't given any shares, it was as if mr B wanted to own the club 100%, sell the club and stitch up everyone, someone at the club saw through the deal, it wasn't in anyone's interest. mr B claims he has financial problems to try and push pressure on the others to agreeing to very bad deals, this way, they had to write off massive investments, Mr b however has treated PDC badly. His investors are his friends, they have invested in a certain other club in the 90s a very successful italian team, but now they blame PDC for falling for it, so it's not just about Richie, he has let down business people and in Italy you don't do this, it's about reputation. There was also a matter of a deal that should come into fruition this summer, that has been cancelled but in the contract of PDC it should still stand, so again, another beach of contract. There are plenty of breaches he has to suffer, it's not just the obvious about players, moving to Swindon allowed him to expand his managerial chances but allowed his own interests (lets say) to get involved with small investments into the club. The club promised PDC their plan, a championship club fighting for silverwear a little like Cardiff, not running before it walked but jogging shall we say? When PDC took the club over, he was given the tools (not just transfer money) to do his job, let's say he has no tools left and is expected to do a house revalation today. It's impossible.[/p][/quote]Blummin hell. Where does this leave us now mate?? Is there any plans for 'Damage Limitation' Louis :-(((([/p][/quote]Louis, football league approval is due today, that's all going on Jed doing what he had to do, he pretty much met 85% of their requirements so they could by all chance say no to the deal and leave us in A still. I have it on very good authority that that's unlikely because they have an interest financially for us not to go into A. The board set up should the approval go ahead is going to see Jed have some say with MR B but there will ongoing investors sort, the plan is to free up to 30% of both share holders for more investors to come into the club, seeing MR B walk away in full. The reason Mr B hasn't walked away in full isn't down just to the face the offer was way off his expectation but also because he is tied to a much bigger deal should he walk away. Let's say that football league gave approval now, there would be 2 of the 3 only (I was the first to tell you that on Friday) join us, plus there is discussion of 2 more players for 1 month to help injury problems but no further signings and no further extensions down the line unless really required so it's pretty much what we have now. Players contracts will not be signed because the club is undergoing a massive restructure Come the summer, Mr B wants players sold, some of their contracts are too high, Jed is a yes man to this but will want to use some money to reinvest to the squad, this is where PDC will leave us, only because he won't be in control of the players in that respect. He has had conditions met this week which is why he is still here (from the meeting I told you about), he will get to see if Jed has the balls to do what he is promising or if he will become another Mr B, at the moment, Jed is willing and open to new investors[/p][/quote]If you say Jed is a 'yes' man who is he saying yes to? Black wants to sell his majority share holding therefore he can't tell him how to run the club and surely he knows what the new investors wont! red_welder

11:35am Tue 5 Feb 13

SouthcoastRed says...

This is a non-story IMO. Pdc is simply showing due courtesy to a few lads who were left hanging due to forces out of their control.

This is to keep them inside so we can snap them up in the emergency loan window. Simples.

It is not a Pdc 'milking it' thing. It is the same level of polite manners I would expect from any manager professional football. Slow news day?!
This is a non-story IMO. Pdc is simply showing due courtesy to a few lads who were left hanging due to forces out of their control. This is to keep them inside so we can snap them up in the emergency loan window. Simples. It is not a Pdc 'milking it' thing. It is the same level of polite manners I would expect from any manager professional football. Slow news day?! SouthcoastRed

11:38am Tue 5 Feb 13

the don69 says...

mike1990 wrote:
the don69 wrote:
Do us a favour and toddle off,just a load of old waffle and info that's out there and Black hasn't spoken to Paolo for months so that's cr@p what you said about Black telling Paolo to sell more players!you know Didley Sh!t,just an attention seeking sad case!!!!!!!!!!!!
Spot on Don,just a sad,sad attention seeker poor little guv go and get a job and a life,make yourself useful instead of useless.
Mike he calls himself (Guv)more like the TEA BOY don't be suckers!just an attention seeking sad case!!!!!!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]mike1990[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: Do us a favour and toddle off,just a load of old waffle and info that's out there and Black hasn't spoken to Paolo for months so that's cr@p what you said about Black telling Paolo to sell more players!you know Didley Sh!t,just an attention seeking sad case!!!!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Spot on Don,just a sad,sad attention seeker poor little guv go and get a job and a life,make yourself useful instead of useless.[/p][/quote]Mike he calls himself (Guv)more like the TEA BOY don't be suckers!just an attention seeking sad case!!!!!!!!!!!! the don69

11:50am Tue 5 Feb 13

Chish and Fips says...

the don69 wrote:
mike1990 wrote:
the don69 wrote:
Do us a favour and toddle off,just a load of old waffle and info that's out there and Black hasn't spoken to Paolo for months so that's cr@p what you said about Black telling Paolo to sell more players!you know Didley Sh!t,just an attention seeking sad case!!!!!!!!!!!!
Spot on Don,just a sad,sad attention seeker poor little guv go and get a job and a life,make yourself useful instead of useless.
Mike he calls himself (Guv)more like the TEA BOY don't be suckers!just an attention seeking sad case!!!!!!!!!!!!
This guv is writes endless points of non interest and clarifies nothing, in the hope of suckering in the 'fence sitters'

- As usual its better to wait and get an OFFICIAL version of events not someones so say nudge nudge wink wink version.

I'm just amazed of the amount of time and effort this individual spends in his quest of what ?? This mysterious one who spouts what has already happened or what is guessing or would like to happen ... hmmm like I said wait for an official notice and not this waffle.
[quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mike1990[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: Do us a favour and toddle off,just a load of old waffle and info that's out there and Black hasn't spoken to Paolo for months so that's cr@p what you said about Black telling Paolo to sell more players!you know Didley Sh!t,just an attention seeking sad case!!!!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Spot on Don,just a sad,sad attention seeker poor little guv go and get a job and a life,make yourself useful instead of useless.[/p][/quote]Mike he calls himself (Guv)more like the TEA BOY don't be suckers!just an attention seeking sad case!!!!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]This guv is writes endless points of non interest and clarifies nothing, in the hope of suckering in the 'fence sitters' - As usual its better to wait and get an OFFICIAL version of events not someones so say nudge nudge wink wink version. I'm just amazed of the amount of time and effort this individual spends in his quest of what ?? This mysterious one who spouts what has already happened or what is guessing or would like to happen ... hmmm like I said wait for an official notice and not this waffle. Chish and Fips

11:54am Tue 5 Feb 13

the don69 says...

Here's some true news chaps!McLeish gone as Forest manager after only 40 days disagreement with the owner!!!!!!!!!
Here's some true news chaps!McLeish gone as Forest manager after only 40 days disagreement with the owner!!!!!!!!! the don69

11:55am Tue 5 Feb 13

Is that you Lovesey says...

Guv the guy writing the rumours on transfer rumour was the first to say that BWP wouldn't be coming, miles before you... He also has more right than you, looks like his fantasies are more accurate than yours...
Guv the guy writing the rumours on transfer rumour was the first to say that BWP wouldn't be coming, miles before you... He also has more right than you, looks like his fantasies are more accurate than yours... Is that you Lovesey

11:56am Tue 5 Feb 13

Is that you Lovesey says...

I say "his" could well be a her....
I say "his" could well be a her.... Is that you Lovesey

12:07pm Tue 5 Feb 13

mike1990 says...

Is that you Lovesey wrote:
Guv the guy writing the rumours on transfer rumour was the first to say that BWP wouldn't be coming, miles before you... He also has more right than you, looks like his fantasies are more accurate than yours...
More speculation and his/her fantasies,lets wait for facts.
[quote][p][bold]Is that you Lovesey[/bold] wrote: Guv the guy writing the rumours on transfer rumour was the first to say that BWP wouldn't be coming, miles before you... He also has more right than you, looks like his fantasies are more accurate than yours...[/p][/quote]More speculation and his/her fantasies,lets wait for facts. mike1990

12:10pm Tue 5 Feb 13

chrystovski says...

I say give Guv the benefit of the doubt.
I really don't think you could elaborate in so much detail if it was a pack of lies.

We've heard nothing from the club so I'm more than happy to read about it even if it just turns out to be someone's opinion, surely that's why we all come on here?
I say give Guv the benefit of the doubt. I really don't think you could elaborate in so much detail if it was a pack of lies. We've heard nothing from the club so I'm more than happy to read about it even if it just turns out to be someone's opinion, surely that's why we all come on here? chrystovski

12:12pm Tue 5 Feb 13

John Young's Grumpy says...

TheBrightSide wrote:
Good morning guys, I read this sight everyday, with interest but very rarely, if ever comment. I went to my first game in 1969, am a Town End season ticket holder and have been for years. I don't have a clue who 'The Guv' is but, at the moment, his posts are the only ones I read with interest. He may have suckered me in and if that is the case, then I am a fool. Guv you are never going to 'come clean' as you will leave yourself open to all sorts of allegations. Where do you get your so called 'exclusives' from?
I believe that the vast majority of us read this site so as to get a flavour of what is going on out there.

The trouble is that we all, that is the STFC fans, are passionate about our club and pretty much hunger for all the info and news surrounding or associated with the club. We also want success and see this on the shoulders of the Board, the Manager and the players. We recognise the role that we the fans have to play as well.

All this conspires to fuel fires, feed the frenzy for conspiracy theories and cause many fans to worry and fret.

I appeal to all loyal fans to be patient and await the facts.

I appeal to the FL to sign things off and let STFC get on with putting thing right (and in to perspective).

I appeal to the new Board to get cracking ASAP and to back PDC and the team and the fans as we puch for Championship football.

Guv - I appeal to you to write SENSITIVELY and stop adding to the angst of the fans. In short, put up or shut up - you're just not helping - even if you think you are - look up the list and see for your self. Facts are not facts 'after the event'. You share info without due credibility that tantalises, worries and angers but adds NO VALUE. Think long and hard about your motives and what you are doing.

Come on loyal supporters - hold on tight to the best ride in the Football Fun Park!! We wouldn't be fans if we didn't stick through the good AND the bad!!

STFC forever.
[quote][p][bold]TheBrightSide[/bold] wrote: Good morning guys, I read this sight everyday, with interest but very rarely, if ever comment. I went to my first game in 1969, am a Town End season ticket holder and have been for years. I don't have a clue who 'The Guv' is but, at the moment, his posts are the only ones I read with interest. He may have suckered me in and if that is the case, then I am a fool. Guv you are never going to 'come clean' as you will leave yourself open to all sorts of allegations. Where do you get your so called 'exclusives' from?[/p][/quote]I believe that the vast majority of us read this site so as to get a flavour of what is going on out there. The trouble is that we all, that is the STFC fans, are passionate about our club and pretty much hunger for all the info and news surrounding or associated with the club. We also want success and see this on the shoulders of the Board, the Manager and the players. We recognise the role that we the fans have to play as well. All this conspires to fuel fires, feed the frenzy for conspiracy theories and cause many fans to worry and fret. I appeal to all loyal fans to be patient and await the facts. I appeal to the FL to sign things off and let STFC get on with putting thing right (and in to perspective). I appeal to the new Board to get cracking ASAP and to back PDC and the team and the fans as we puch for Championship football. Guv - I appeal to you to write SENSITIVELY and stop adding to the angst of the fans. In short, put up or shut up - you're just not helping - even if you think you are - look up the list and see for your self. Facts are not facts 'after the event'. You share info without due credibility that tantalises, worries and angers but adds NO VALUE. Think long and hard about your motives and what you are doing. Come on loyal supporters - hold on tight to the best ride in the Football Fun Park!! We wouldn't be fans if we didn't stick through the good AND the bad!! STFC forever. John Young's Grumpy

12:21pm Tue 5 Feb 13

the don69 says...

John Young's Grumpy wrote:
TheBrightSide wrote:
Good morning guys, I read this sight everyday, with interest but very rarely, if ever comment. I went to my first game in 1969, am a Town End season ticket holder and have been for years. I don't have a clue who 'The Guv' is but, at the moment, his posts are the only ones I read with interest. He may have suckered me in and if that is the case, then I am a fool. Guv you are never going to 'come clean' as you will leave yourself open to all sorts of allegations. Where do you get your so called 'exclusives' from?
I believe that the vast majority of us read this site so as to get a flavour of what is going on out there.

The trouble is that we all, that is the STFC fans, are passionate about our club and pretty much hunger for all the info and news surrounding or associated with the club. We also want success and see this on the shoulders of the Board, the Manager and the players. We recognise the role that we the fans have to play as well.

All this conspires to fuel fires, feed the frenzy for conspiracy theories and cause many fans to worry and fret.

I appeal to all loyal fans to be patient and await the facts.

I appeal to the FL to sign things off and let STFC get on with putting thing right (and in to perspective).

I appeal to the new Board to get cracking ASAP and to back PDC and the team and the fans as we puch for Championship football.

Guv - I appeal to you to write SENSITIVELY and stop adding to the angst of the fans. In short, put up or shut up - you're just not helping - even if you think you are - look up the list and see for your self. Facts are not facts 'after the event'. You share info without due credibility that tantalises, worries and angers but adds NO VALUE. Think long and hard about your motives and what you are doing.

Come on loyal supporters - hold on tight to the best ride in the Football Fun Park!! We wouldn't be fans if we didn't stick through the good AND the bad!!

STFC forever.
SENSIBLE MAN!Well said John!!!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]John Young's Grumpy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheBrightSide[/bold] wrote: Good morning guys, I read this sight everyday, with interest but very rarely, if ever comment. I went to my first game in 1969, am a Town End season ticket holder and have been for years. I don't have a clue who 'The Guv' is but, at the moment, his posts are the only ones I read with interest. He may have suckered me in and if that is the case, then I am a fool. Guv you are never going to 'come clean' as you will leave yourself open to all sorts of allegations. Where do you get your so called 'exclusives' from?[/p][/quote]I believe that the vast majority of us read this site so as to get a flavour of what is going on out there. The trouble is that we all, that is the STFC fans, are passionate about our club and pretty much hunger for all the info and news surrounding or associated with the club. We also want success and see this on the shoulders of the Board, the Manager and the players. We recognise the role that we the fans have to play as well. All this conspires to fuel fires, feed the frenzy for conspiracy theories and cause many fans to worry and fret. I appeal to all loyal fans to be patient and await the facts. I appeal to the FL to sign things off and let STFC get on with putting thing right (and in to perspective). I appeal to the new Board to get cracking ASAP and to back PDC and the team and the fans as we puch for Championship football. Guv - I appeal to you to write SENSITIVELY and stop adding to the angst of the fans. In short, put up or shut up - you're just not helping - even if you think you are - look up the list and see for your self. Facts are not facts 'after the event'. You share info without due credibility that tantalises, worries and angers but adds NO VALUE. Think long and hard about your motives and what you are doing. Come on loyal supporters - hold on tight to the best ride in the Football Fun Park!! We wouldn't be fans if we didn't stick through the good AND the bad!! STFC forever.[/p][/quote]SENSIBLE MAN!Well said John!!!!!!!!! the don69

12:23pm Tue 5 Feb 13

red_welder says...

If Jed is a yes man as the Guv suggests who is he a yes man too? Black wants to sell his majority shareholding so surely he can't be pulling the strings and he must be aware of the new investors plans.
If Jed is a yes man as the Guv suggests who is he a yes man too? Black wants to sell his majority shareholding so surely he can't be pulling the strings and he must be aware of the new investors plans. red_welder

12:41pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Pewsham Red says...

the don69 wrote:
John Young's Grumpy wrote:
TheBrightSide wrote: Good morning guys, I read this sight everyday, with interest but very rarely, if ever comment. I went to my first game in 1969, am a Town End season ticket holder and have been for years. I don't have a clue who 'The Guv' is but, at the moment, his posts are the only ones I read with interest. He may have suckered me in and if that is the case, then I am a fool. Guv you are never going to 'come clean' as you will leave yourself open to all sorts of allegations. Where do you get your so called 'exclusives' from?
I believe that the vast majority of us read this site so as to get a flavour of what is going on out there. The trouble is that we all, that is the STFC fans, are passionate about our club and pretty much hunger for all the info and news surrounding or associated with the club. We also want success and see this on the shoulders of the Board, the Manager and the players. We recognise the role that we the fans have to play as well. All this conspires to fuel fires, feed the frenzy for conspiracy theories and cause many fans to worry and fret. I appeal to all loyal fans to be patient and await the facts. I appeal to the FL to sign things off and let STFC get on with putting thing right (and in to perspective). I appeal to the new Board to get cracking ASAP and to back PDC and the team and the fans as we puch for Championship football. Guv - I appeal to you to write SENSITIVELY and stop adding to the angst of the fans. In short, put up or shut up - you're just not helping - even if you think you are - look up the list and see for your self. Facts are not facts 'after the event'. You share info without due credibility that tantalises, worries and angers but adds NO VALUE. Think long and hard about your motives and what you are doing. Come on loyal supporters - hold on tight to the best ride in the Football Fun Park!! We wouldn't be fans if we didn't stick through the good AND the bad!! STFC forever.
SENSIBLE MAN!Well said John!!!!!!!!!
Good post. I think Guv should shut up. Little of what he says appears correct and often is dished out after he event. I am not convinced he is in the know and neither are most of us.

I suggest we wait and see and stop fuelling his angst.
[quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John Young's Grumpy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheBrightSide[/bold] wrote: Good morning guys, I read this sight everyday, with interest but very rarely, if ever comment. I went to my first game in 1969, am a Town End season ticket holder and have been for years. I don't have a clue who 'The Guv' is but, at the moment, his posts are the only ones I read with interest. He may have suckered me in and if that is the case, then I am a fool. Guv you are never going to 'come clean' as you will leave yourself open to all sorts of allegations. Where do you get your so called 'exclusives' from?[/p][/quote]I believe that the vast majority of us read this site so as to get a flavour of what is going on out there. The trouble is that we all, that is the STFC fans, are passionate about our club and pretty much hunger for all the info and news surrounding or associated with the club. We also want success and see this on the shoulders of the Board, the Manager and the players. We recognise the role that we the fans have to play as well. All this conspires to fuel fires, feed the frenzy for conspiracy theories and cause many fans to worry and fret. I appeal to all loyal fans to be patient and await the facts. I appeal to the FL to sign things off and let STFC get on with putting thing right (and in to perspective). I appeal to the new Board to get cracking ASAP and to back PDC and the team and the fans as we puch for Championship football. Guv - I appeal to you to write SENSITIVELY and stop adding to the angst of the fans. In short, put up or shut up - you're just not helping - even if you think you are - look up the list and see for your self. Facts are not facts 'after the event'. You share info without due credibility that tantalises, worries and angers but adds NO VALUE. Think long and hard about your motives and what you are doing. Come on loyal supporters - hold on tight to the best ride in the Football Fun Park!! We wouldn't be fans if we didn't stick through the good AND the bad!! STFC forever.[/p][/quote]SENSIBLE MAN!Well said John!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Good post. I think Guv should shut up. Little of what he says appears correct and often is dished out after he event. I am not convinced he is in the know and neither are most of us. I suggest we wait and see and stop fuelling his angst. Pewsham Red

1:04pm Tue 5 Feb 13

louiscassius says...

Guv wrote:
louiscassius wrote:
Guv wrote: Ok David, well let's say it's not one it's many, I could tell you the obvious, when he joined he had a plan but blah blah, this isn't news, ok, I have to be careful how and what I say, it's very tricky and the last thing I want is the newspapers knowing too much as you can imagine as STFC fans, we always end up with our washing in the public domain. Let's just say that MR B had several agreements with PDC, throughout the deal, PDC gets the chance to make himeself a manager, he had the great backing of a succesful board who shared the same ideas, that's why Fitton quit, he wasn't interested in instant promotion but building a succesful business that was profitable, fitton dreamed he could change football and make a club in the lower leagues profitable, he could but it would take years, a different kind of manager and very loyal fans who shared the same. Mr B is a gambling man, he enjoys success, he's a quick buck man, he believed that PDC could return the club to the big days, he's not even broke or anywhere near broke, why people think this is beyond me, but this isn't an attack as that's not me. but promises include not having the backing but also a nice deal for PDC, a type of financial bonus that would paid to PDC to have us in the Championship, like if I say too much I think this will get read into wrong, but bascially he has friends who would love to own our club, if I was to say success wasn't cash but shares, (it keeps this clean) PDC would then get more and more of his friends into the club to run it, but the more that went on the bigger the costs, plus other directors didn't share this opportunity as basically it was if you remember last year Mr B tried asking them all to walk away and give up their shares, then Mr B promised new investors would be found, but the truth is Mr B tried playing very dirty, because they wasn't given any shares, it was as if mr B wanted to own the club 100%, sell the club and stitch up everyone, someone at the club saw through the deal, it wasn't in anyone's interest. mr B claims he has financial problems to try and push pressure on the others to agreeing to very bad deals, this way, they had to write off massive investments, Mr b however has treated PDC badly. His investors are his friends, they have invested in a certain other club in the 90s a very successful italian team, but now they blame PDC for falling for it, so it's not just about Richie, he has let down business people and in Italy you don't do this, it's about reputation. There was also a matter of a deal that should come into fruition this summer, that has been cancelled but in the contract of PDC it should still stand, so again, another beach of contract. There are plenty of breaches he has to suffer, it's not just the obvious about players, moving to Swindon allowed him to expand his managerial chances but allowed his own interests (lets say) to get involved with small investments into the club. The club promised PDC their plan, a championship club fighting for silverwear a little like Cardiff, not running before it walked but jogging shall we say? When PDC took the club over, he was given the tools (not just transfer money) to do his job, let's say he has no tools left and is expected to do a house revalation today. It's impossible.
Blummin hell. Where does this leave us now mate?? Is there any plans for 'Damage Limitation' Louis :-((((
Louis, football league approval is due today, that's all going on Jed doing what he had to do, he pretty much met 85% of their requirements so they could by all chance say no to the deal and leave us in A still. I have it on very good authority that that's unlikely because they have an interest financially for us not to go into A. The board set up should the approval go ahead is going to see Jed have some say with MR B but there will ongoing investors sort, the plan is to free up to 30% of both share holders for more investors to come into the club, seeing MR B walk away in full. The reason Mr B hasn't walked away in full isn't down just to the face the offer was way off his expectation but also because he is tied to a much bigger deal should he walk away. Let's say that football league gave approval now, there would be 2 of the 3 only (I was the first to tell you that on Friday) join us, plus there is discussion of 2 more players for 1 month to help injury problems but no further signings and no further extensions down the line unless really required so it's pretty much what we have now. Players contracts will not be signed because the club is undergoing a massive restructure Come the summer, Mr B wants players sold, some of their contracts are too high, Jed is a yes man to this but will want to use some money to reinvest to the squad, this is where PDC will leave us, only because he won't be in control of the players in that respect. He has had conditions met this week which is why he is still here (from the meeting I told you about), he will get to see if Jed has the balls to do what he is promising or if he will become another Mr B, at the moment, Jed is willing and open to new investors
Bl**dy hell.

All seems very complicated to me....

I just thought some money wiv dosh wanted to buy our club and AB and the others were quite happy to walk away and wash their hands wiv the Club.

Oh well, you know what thought did.

If you here anything else, please let us know.

Thank for your help, as much as its sounds awful and its not the nicest of news, and maybe i have been suckered in.....

But, if you are genuine i thank you for your time and effort and hope you'll be passing some good news soon.

Kind regards

Louis:-)))
[quote][p][bold]Guv[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]louiscassius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Guv[/bold] wrote: Ok David, well let's say it's not one it's many, I could tell you the obvious, when he joined he had a plan but blah blah, this isn't news, ok, I have to be careful how and what I say, it's very tricky and the last thing I want is the newspapers knowing too much as you can imagine as STFC fans, we always end up with our washing in the public domain. Let's just say that MR B had several agreements with PDC, throughout the deal, PDC gets the chance to make himeself a manager, he had the great backing of a succesful board who shared the same ideas, that's why Fitton quit, he wasn't interested in instant promotion but building a succesful business that was profitable, fitton dreamed he could change football and make a club in the lower leagues profitable, he could but it would take years, a different kind of manager and very loyal fans who shared the same. Mr B is a gambling man, he enjoys success, he's a quick buck man, he believed that PDC could return the club to the big days, he's not even broke or anywhere near broke, why people think this is beyond me, but this isn't an attack as that's not me. but promises include not having the backing but also a nice deal for PDC, a type of financial bonus that would paid to PDC to have us in the Championship, like if I say too much I think this will get read into wrong, but bascially he has friends who would love to own our club, if I was to say success wasn't cash but shares, (it keeps this clean) PDC would then get more and more of his friends into the club to run it, but the more that went on the bigger the costs, plus other directors didn't share this opportunity as basically it was if you remember last year Mr B tried asking them all to walk away and give up their shares, then Mr B promised new investors would be found, but the truth is Mr B tried playing very dirty, because they wasn't given any shares, it was as if mr B wanted to own the club 100%, sell the club and stitch up everyone, someone at the club saw through the deal, it wasn't in anyone's interest. mr B claims he has financial problems to try and push pressure on the others to agreeing to very bad deals, this way, they had to write off massive investments, Mr b however has treated PDC badly. His investors are his friends, they have invested in a certain other club in the 90s a very successful italian team, but now they blame PDC for falling for it, so it's not just about Richie, he has let down business people and in Italy you don't do this, it's about reputation. There was also a matter of a deal that should come into fruition this summer, that has been cancelled but in the contract of PDC it should still stand, so again, another beach of contract. There are plenty of breaches he has to suffer, it's not just the obvious about players, moving to Swindon allowed him to expand his managerial chances but allowed his own interests (lets say) to get involved with small investments into the club. The club promised PDC their plan, a championship club fighting for silverwear a little like Cardiff, not running before it walked but jogging shall we say? When PDC took the club over, he was given the tools (not just transfer money) to do his job, let's say he has no tools left and is expected to do a house revalation today. It's impossible.[/p][/quote]Blummin hell. Where does this leave us now mate?? Is there any plans for 'Damage Limitation' Louis :-(((([/p][/quote]Louis, football league approval is due today, that's all going on Jed doing what he had to do, he pretty much met 85% of their requirements so they could by all chance say no to the deal and leave us in A still. I have it on very good authority that that's unlikely because they have an interest financially for us not to go into A. The board set up should the approval go ahead is going to see Jed have some say with MR B but there will ongoing investors sort, the plan is to free up to 30% of both share holders for more investors to come into the club, seeing MR B walk away in full. The reason Mr B hasn't walked away in full isn't down just to the face the offer was way off his expectation but also because he is tied to a much bigger deal should he walk away. Let's say that football league gave approval now, there would be 2 of the 3 only (I was the first to tell you that on Friday) join us, plus there is discussion of 2 more players for 1 month to help injury problems but no further signings and no further extensions down the line unless really required so it's pretty much what we have now. Players contracts will not be signed because the club is undergoing a massive restructure Come the summer, Mr B wants players sold, some of their contracts are too high, Jed is a yes man to this but will want to use some money to reinvest to the squad, this is where PDC will leave us, only because he won't be in control of the players in that respect. He has had conditions met this week which is why he is still here (from the meeting I told you about), he will get to see if Jed has the balls to do what he is promising or if he will become another Mr B, at the moment, Jed is willing and open to new investors[/p][/quote]Bl**dy hell. All seems very complicated to me.... I just thought some money wiv dosh wanted to buy our club and AB and the others were quite happy to walk away and wash their hands wiv the Club. Oh well, you know what thought did. If you here anything else, please let us know. Thank for your help, as much as its sounds awful and its not the nicest of news, and maybe i have been suckered in..... But, if you are genuine i thank you for your time and effort and hope you'll be passing some good news soon. Kind regards Louis:-))) louiscassius

1:15pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Steve. Brentford says...

Hi Loius, i reckon Guv will have some good news for us all sometime next week,However we should get plenty of real news later this week.
Hi Loius, i reckon Guv will have some good news for us all sometime next week,However we should get plenty of real news later this week. Steve. Brentford

1:19pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Nosuprises says...

The "GOV" has plenty to say, surely he does not think that he is anonymous behind his name, if STFC monitor this site as I am sure they do to gauge the views and opinions of the true fans. Then the "Gov" could very quickly be traced and removed from the site if STFC felt he was divulging sensitive Information all be it not factually accurate. (Chinese Whispers)
The "GOV" has plenty to say, surely he does not think that he is anonymous behind his name, if STFC monitor this site as I am sure they do to gauge the views and opinions of the true fans. Then the "Gov" could very quickly be traced and removed from the site if STFC felt he was divulging sensitive Information all be it not factually accurate. (Chinese Whispers) Nosuprises

1:41pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Jeremy Hilary Boob says...

Helpme234 wrote:
I don't know if i'm completely missing the point (or just stating the obvious!) but it seems that everything now just depends on the new ownership being ratified and what assurances they can give PDC. If they say and do the right things that could be enough to persuade him to stay. His problems are with Black & Co. and perhaps that's why he feels the need to make these statements which (a) give him the opportunity to vent his anger and (b) leave the new owners in no doubt what he expects from them.
But will the new owners appreciate a manager who's laying down the law like this, especially in public?
[quote][p][bold]Helpme234[/bold] wrote: I don't know if i'm completely missing the point (or just stating the obvious!) but it seems that everything now just depends on the new ownership being ratified and what assurances they can give PDC. If they say and do the right things that could be enough to persuade him to stay. His problems are with Black & Co. and perhaps that's why he feels the need to make these statements which (a) give him the opportunity to vent his anger and (b) leave the new owners in no doubt what he expects from them.[/p][/quote]But will the new owners appreciate a manager who's laying down the law like this, especially in public? Jeremy Hilary Boob

1:43pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Chish and Fips says...

Is that you Lovesey wrote:
Guv the guy writing the rumours on transfer rumour was the first to say that BWP wouldn't be coming, miles before you... He also has more right than you, looks like his fantasies are more accurate than yours...
Think about it ---- there's a 50 - 50 chance of guessing which way the BWP would go - joins or don't join...
If he, this guv guesses right he bellows from the roof top and when he's wrong not a peep ... when you say 'fantasies' you kinda sum it all up.
[quote][p][bold]Is that you Lovesey[/bold] wrote: Guv the guy writing the rumours on transfer rumour was the first to say that BWP wouldn't be coming, miles before you... He also has more right than you, looks like his fantasies are more accurate than yours...[/p][/quote]Think about it ---- there's a 50 - 50 chance of guessing which way the BWP would go - joins or don't join... If he, this guv guesses right he bellows from the roof top and when he's wrong not a peep ... when you say 'fantasies' you kinda sum it all up. Chish and Fips

1:52pm Tue 5 Feb 13

LeckhamptonROBIN says...

I have tried to stay out of the debate as to avoid the varying emotions that are attracted to our current situation.

Whilst not privy to the ins and outs of STFC as once that I was, I would express that credence is due to Guv - I've said before that I have a good idea of whom the individual is.

I am not requesting that any individual change their tact or opinion, all I ask is that we all show each other, Guv included, a little respect.
I have tried to stay out of the debate as to avoid the varying emotions that are attracted to our current situation. Whilst not privy to the ins and outs of STFC as once that I was, I would express that credence is due to Guv - I've said before that I have a good idea of whom the individual is. I am not requesting that any individual change their tact or opinion, all I ask is that we all show each other, Guv included, a little respect. LeckhamptonROBIN

2:02pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Oi Den! says...

LeckhamptonROBIN wrote:
I have tried to stay out of the debate as to avoid the varying emotions that are attracted to our current situation.

Whilst not privy to the ins and outs of STFC as once that I was, I would express that credence is due to Guv - I've said before that I have a good idea of whom the individual is.

I am not requesting that any individual change their tact or opinion, all I ask is that we all show each other, Guv included, a little respect.
Agree - and even if he's bullshiitting he gets my respect for his sheer ingenuity! Can't for the life of me see why people are bothered about it. I've read on here about "emotional distress" caused by Guv. WTF...? It's only a discussion about football, not a forum on terminal disease. Keep it up Guv. I have no idea whether you are talking perfect sense or complete rubbish, but I don't know why anyone would want you to shut up when you post such interesting stuff.
[quote][p][bold]LeckhamptonROBIN[/bold] wrote: I have tried to stay out of the debate as to avoid the varying emotions that are attracted to our current situation. Whilst not privy to the ins and outs of STFC as once that I was, I would express that credence is due to Guv - I've said before that I have a good idea of whom the individual is. I am not requesting that any individual change their tact or opinion, all I ask is that we all show each other, Guv included, a little respect.[/p][/quote]Agree - and even if he's bullshiitting he gets my respect for his sheer ingenuity! Can't for the life of me see why people are bothered about it. I've read on here about "emotional distress" caused by Guv. WTF...? It's only a discussion about football, not a forum on terminal disease. Keep it up Guv. I have no idea whether you are talking perfect sense or complete rubbish, but I don't know why anyone would want you to shut up when you post such interesting stuff. Oi Den!

2:09pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Stratton Red says...

maybe my glass is naively half full I took a positve from this...
*
PDC contacting them show professionalism to try and keep the deals on as loans - which means perhaps he stays if he gets them...
maybe my glass is naively half full I took a positve from this... * PDC contacting them show professionalism to try and keep the deals on as loans - which means perhaps he stays if he gets them... Stratton Red

2:14pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Pewsham Red says...

Oi Den! wrote:
LeckhamptonROBIN wrote:
I have tried to stay out of the debate as to avoid the varying emotions that are attracted to our current situation.

Whilst not privy to the ins and outs of STFC as once that I was, I would express that credence is due to Guv - I've said before that I have a good idea of whom the individual is.

I am not requesting that any individual change their tact or opinion, all I ask is that we all show each other, Guv included, a little respect.
Agree - and even if he's bullshiitting he gets my respect for his sheer ingenuity! Can't for the life of me see why people are bothered about it. I've read on here about "emotional distress" caused by Guv. WTF...? It's only a discussion about football, not a forum on terminal disease. Keep it up Guv. I have no idea whether you are talking perfect sense or complete rubbish, but I don't know why anyone would want you to shut up when you post such interesting stuff.
I am inclined to agree Den.

I am not sure Guv is helping the situation, I am certainly not convinced he is stating the truth and I am a little concerned about his motives but, lets face it, if you we are trying to make it a rule that you cannot contribute to this site if you talk crap, then there would be about three comments per day on here!
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LeckhamptonROBIN[/bold] wrote: I have tried to stay out of the debate as to avoid the varying emotions that are attracted to our current situation. Whilst not privy to the ins and outs of STFC as once that I was, I would express that credence is due to Guv - I've said before that I have a good idea of whom the individual is. I am not requesting that any individual change their tact or opinion, all I ask is that we all show each other, Guv included, a little respect.[/p][/quote]Agree - and even if he's bullshiitting he gets my respect for his sheer ingenuity! Can't for the life of me see why people are bothered about it. I've read on here about "emotional distress" caused by Guv. WTF...? It's only a discussion about football, not a forum on terminal disease. Keep it up Guv. I have no idea whether you are talking perfect sense or complete rubbish, but I don't know why anyone would want you to shut up when you post such interesting stuff.[/p][/quote]I am inclined to agree Den. I am not sure Guv is helping the situation, I am certainly not convinced he is stating the truth and I am a little concerned about his motives but, lets face it, if you we are trying to make it a rule that you cannot contribute to this site if you talk crap, then there would be about three comments per day on here! Pewsham Red

2:22pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Swindon1984 says...

John Young's Grumpy wrote:
TheBrightSide wrote: Good morning guys, I read this sight everyday, with interest but very rarely, if ever comment. I went to my first game in 1969, am a Town End season ticket holder and have been for years. I don't have a clue who 'The Guv' is but, at the moment, his posts are the only ones I read with interest. He may have suckered me in and if that is the case, then I am a fool. Guv you are never going to 'come clean' as you will leave yourself open to all sorts of allegations. Where do you get your so called 'exclusives' from?
I believe that the vast majority of us read this site so as to get a flavour of what is going on out there. The trouble is that we all, that is the STFC fans, are passionate about our club and pretty much hunger for all the info and news surrounding or associated with the club. We also want success and see this on the shoulders of the Board, the Manager and the players. We recognise the role that we the fans have to play as well. All this conspires to fuel fires, feed the frenzy for conspiracy theories and cause many fans to worry and fret. I appeal to all loyal fans to be patient and await the facts. I appeal to the FL to sign things off and let STFC get on with putting thing right (and in to perspective). I appeal to the new Board to get cracking ASAP and to back PDC and the team and the fans as we puch for Championship football. Guv - I appeal to you to write SENSITIVELY and stop adding to the angst of the fans. In short, put up or shut up - you're just not helping - even if you think you are - look up the list and see for your self. Facts are not facts 'after the event'. You share info without due credibility that tantalises, worries and angers but adds NO VALUE. Think long and hard about your motives and what you are doing. Come on loyal supporters - hold on tight to the best ride in the Football Fun Park!! We wouldn't be fans if we didn't stick through the good AND the bad!! STFC forever.
Too true - don't know how many times I've said this but it's pointless for anyone to come on and say they've got inside info, as they have no way of verifying where the information's come from. At best it comes across as attention seeking and invites a certain amount of ridicule, at worst it properly winds people up - there's no need. Even if you've got some connection with the club, you aren't going to know exactly what's going on. If you commanded a senior position within the club, you wouldn't be on here spreading gossip and rumour.

Guv - you see the point here, whether you're making stuff up or telling the truth, people still aren't going to believe you. Do yourself a favour (and I really mean that, cause some people won't be as polite as me) but give it a rest. Rightly or wrongly you've got no more credibility than the wind up merchants who come on here spreading rumours for the sake of it. I'm not saying that's what you're doing, I'm saying that on the internet, anyone can make up any old rubbish and preach it as gospel, so I, and many others, will choose to ignore all of it and wait for the real facts to come out. Cheers.
[quote][p][bold]John Young's Grumpy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheBrightSide[/bold] wrote: Good morning guys, I read this sight everyday, with interest but very rarely, if ever comment. I went to my first game in 1969, am a Town End season ticket holder and have been for years. I don't have a clue who 'The Guv' is but, at the moment, his posts are the only ones I read with interest. He may have suckered me in and if that is the case, then I am a fool. Guv you are never going to 'come clean' as you will leave yourself open to all sorts of allegations. Where do you get your so called 'exclusives' from?[/p][/quote]I believe that the vast majority of us read this site so as to get a flavour of what is going on out there. The trouble is that we all, that is the STFC fans, are passionate about our club and pretty much hunger for all the info and news surrounding or associated with the club. We also want success and see this on the shoulders of the Board, the Manager and the players. We recognise the role that we the fans have to play as well. All this conspires to fuel fires, feed the frenzy for conspiracy theories and cause many fans to worry and fret. I appeal to all loyal fans to be patient and await the facts. I appeal to the FL to sign things off and let STFC get on with putting thing right (and in to perspective). I appeal to the new Board to get cracking ASAP and to back PDC and the team and the fans as we puch for Championship football. Guv - I appeal to you to write SENSITIVELY and stop adding to the angst of the fans. In short, put up or shut up - you're just not helping - even if you think you are - look up the list and see for your self. Facts are not facts 'after the event'. You share info without due credibility that tantalises, worries and angers but adds NO VALUE. Think long and hard about your motives and what you are doing. Come on loyal supporters - hold on tight to the best ride in the Football Fun Park!! We wouldn't be fans if we didn't stick through the good AND the bad!! STFC forever.[/p][/quote]Too true - don't know how many times I've said this but it's pointless for anyone to come on and say they've got inside info, as they have no way of verifying where the information's come from. At best it comes across as attention seeking and invites a certain amount of ridicule, at worst it properly winds people up - there's no need. Even if you've got some connection with the club, you aren't going to know exactly what's going on. If you commanded a senior position within the club, you wouldn't be on here spreading gossip and rumour. Guv - you see the point here, whether you're making stuff up or telling the truth, people still aren't going to believe you. Do yourself a favour (and I really mean that, cause some people won't be as polite as me) but give it a rest. Rightly or wrongly you've got no more credibility than the wind up merchants who come on here spreading rumours for the sake of it. I'm not saying that's what you're doing, I'm saying that on the internet, anyone can make up any old rubbish and preach it as gospel, so I, and many others, will choose to ignore all of it and wait for the real facts to come out. Cheers. Swindon1984

2:25pm Tue 5 Feb 13

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2:25pm Tue 5 Feb 13

chrystovski says...

Oi Den! wrote:
LeckhamptonROBIN wrote: I have tried to stay out of the debate as to avoid the varying emotions that are attracted to our current situation. Whilst not privy to the ins and outs of STFC as once that I was, I would express that credence is due to Guv - I've said before that I have a good idea of whom the individual is. I am not requesting that any individual change their tact or opinion, all I ask is that we all show each other, Guv included, a little respect.
Agree - and even if he's bullshiitting he gets my respect for his sheer ingenuity! Can't for the life of me see why people are bothered about it. I've read on here about "emotional distress" caused by Guv. WTF...? It's only a discussion about football, not a forum on terminal disease. Keep it up Guv. I have no idea whether you are talking perfect sense or complete rubbish, but I don't know why anyone would want you to shut up when you post such interesting stuff.
100% agree Den.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LeckhamptonROBIN[/bold] wrote: I have tried to stay out of the debate as to avoid the varying emotions that are attracted to our current situation. Whilst not privy to the ins and outs of STFC as once that I was, I would express that credence is due to Guv - I've said before that I have a good idea of whom the individual is. I am not requesting that any individual change their tact or opinion, all I ask is that we all show each other, Guv included, a little respect.[/p][/quote]Agree - and even if he's bullshiitting he gets my respect for his sheer ingenuity! Can't for the life of me see why people are bothered about it. I've read on here about "emotional distress" caused by Guv. WTF...? It's only a discussion about football, not a forum on terminal disease. Keep it up Guv. I have no idea whether you are talking perfect sense or complete rubbish, but I don't know why anyone would want you to shut up when you post such interesting stuff.[/p][/quote]100% agree Den. chrystovski

3:41pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Steve. Brentford says...

chrystovski wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
LeckhamptonROBIN wrote: I have tried to stay out of the debate as to avoid the varying emotions that are attracted to our current situation. Whilst not privy to the ins and outs of STFC as once that I was, I would express that credence is due to Guv - I've said before that I have a good idea of whom the individual is. I am not requesting that any individual change their tact or opinion, all I ask is that we all show each other, Guv included, a little respect.
Agree - and even if he's bullshiitting he gets my respect for his sheer ingenuity! Can't for the life of me see why people are bothered about it. I've read on here about "emotional distress" caused by Guv. WTF...? It's only a discussion about football, not a forum on terminal disease. Keep it up Guv. I have no idea whether you are talking perfect sense or complete rubbish, but I don't know why anyone would want you to shut up when you post such interesting stuff.
100% agree Den.
Yeah thanks for that Den!
[quote][p][bold]chrystovski[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LeckhamptonROBIN[/bold] wrote: I have tried to stay out of the debate as to avoid the varying emotions that are attracted to our current situation. Whilst not privy to the ins and outs of STFC as once that I was, I would express that credence is due to Guv - I've said before that I have a good idea of whom the individual is. I am not requesting that any individual change their tact or opinion, all I ask is that we all show each other, Guv included, a little respect.[/p][/quote]Agree - and even if he's bullshiitting he gets my respect for his sheer ingenuity! Can't for the life of me see why people are bothered about it. I've read on here about "emotional distress" caused by Guv. WTF...? It's only a discussion about football, not a forum on terminal disease. Keep it up Guv. I have no idea whether you are talking perfect sense or complete rubbish, but I don't know why anyone would want you to shut up when you post such interesting stuff.[/p][/quote]100% agree Den.[/p][/quote]Yeah thanks for that Den! Steve. Brentford

3:50pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Wilesy says...

The Guv seems to be posting as if he were Fitton, Wray or Watkins, but I don't believe it for one minute as why would they do that, they are above that surely.

A more plausible likelihood is that the Guv is a teenage fan of Twilight (roses are winter...) and now he has got a few convinced has made it his mission to convert the rest.

It is entertaining to read though, a poster anticipating things that will more than likely happen anyway then claiming to be in the know. No real revelations yet of course but keep it up it's all good stuff, and if it's a wind-up its a much more sophisticated wind-up than the humourless craaap mushy mushy et al keep churning out.
The Guv seems to be posting as if he were Fitton, Wray or Watkins, but I don't believe it for one minute as why would they do that, they are above that surely. A more plausible likelihood is that the Guv is a teenage fan of Twilight (roses are winter...) and now he has got a few convinced has made it his mission to convert the rest. It is entertaining to read though, a poster anticipating things that will more than likely happen anyway then claiming to be in the know. No real revelations yet of course but keep it up it's all good stuff, and if it's a wind-up its a much more sophisticated wind-up than the humourless craaap mushy mushy et al keep churning out. Wilesy

3:57pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Oi Den! says...

Steve, have you bugged the STFC boardroom, with a direct line to your office?
Steve, have you bugged the STFC boardroom, with a direct line to your office? Oi Den!

4:03pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Steve. Brentford says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Steve, have you bugged the STFC boardroom, with a direct line to your office?
Obviously, you know the score Den.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Steve, have you bugged the STFC boardroom, with a direct line to your office?[/p][/quote]Obviously, you know the score Den. Steve. Brentford

4:37pm Tue 5 Feb 13

madterrier says...

I hadn't seen 'Guv' post on here until this crisis, and the names of people supporting him seem new as well (although I don't spend my life on this forum). However they are touching on issues that might have substance, even if it is just to get an 'I told you so' kick after the event.

I don't think anyone at the club outside Black and his inner circle knows anything about the new bidders. We certainly don't know why Black suddenly changed his mind in early January and wanted out as quickly as possible. We don't know if he is selling just a majority stake in his holding.

Too many loose ends, and even when we hear the FL's ruling tomorrow or Thursday, we may be none the wiser. How much equity will Black still retain in the club? What will happen to all the debts? (Black has 98% of the equity because he was the only one of the consortium prepared to stump up the cash as equity; Fitton and the others only agreed to loans). To what extent has his falling out with Wray and others had to do with his decision to pull up stumps so abruptly? And whatever the new owners say, will there be any evidence of substance to give strong reasons to believe believe them?

I don't think anyone knows the answers to these questions. I certainly don't.

One thing is sure though, and that is Black has changed his mind suddenly. He approved a loss-making budget of around £4 million for the season, but now he must have reneged on that, plunging the club's finances into turmoil. Because if that budget was always fully funded and in the bank, there wouldn't be a cashflow crisis.

A large chunk of the budget must be on a big salary for PDC and those of his support team, which probably seemed a good idea at the time they appointed him, expecting bigger attendances and hoping for two promotions in three years.

If Black is a gambler then I would have thought there would also be a big bonus inked into Paolo's contract for getting Swindon into the Championship. That might be one reason why Paolo's upset. Ritchie, Martin, Hollands gone. Players injured. New loan signings not happening (the club must have known the League would not sanction them once the takeover bid was filed with them, so it begs the question as to who put these deals together, and why? Can't be the potential new owners, that's for sure). None of this is increasing our chances of promotion. Hence Paolo **** off. These sums involved must be a big part of the equation because I'll be very surprised if the new owners have big ambitions or a big pot to **** in. The lack of any bridging finance for Ritchie is tell-tale evidence.

Whether the club was put into administration, or kept going until summer under new joint-ownership, my big fear is that if Black wants out altogether, that will still mean more player sales to come. Do it in administration at the end of the January window and you would get distressed prices. Sell just enough (Ritchie) to tide you over, and you can will get higher transfer fees in the summer. I'm guessing this is what the financial administrators might have told him anyway. If Black still owns a chunk of the club but wants out altogether I can't see why he wouldn't want to realise some value by stripping the assets, unless he plans to write off large amounts as a goodwill gesture to the club and its fans. Would be nice if he did, but he's hardly obliged to.
I hadn't seen 'Guv' post on here until this crisis, and the names of people supporting him seem new as well (although I don't spend my life on this forum). However they are touching on issues that might have substance, even if it is just to get an 'I told you so' kick after the event. I don't think anyone at the club outside Black and his inner circle knows anything about the new bidders. We certainly don't know why Black suddenly changed his mind in early January and wanted out as quickly as possible. We don't know if he is selling just a majority stake in his holding. Too many loose ends, and even when we hear the FL's ruling tomorrow or Thursday, we may be none the wiser. How much equity will Black still retain in the club? What will happen to all the debts? (Black has 98% of the equity because he was the only one of the consortium prepared to stump up the cash as equity; Fitton and the others only agreed to loans). To what extent has his falling out with Wray and others had to do with his decision to pull up stumps so abruptly? And whatever the new owners say, will there be any evidence of substance to give strong reasons to believe believe them? I don't think anyone knows the answers to these questions. I certainly don't. One thing is sure though, and that is Black has changed his mind suddenly. He approved a loss-making budget of around £4 million for the season, but now he must have reneged on that, plunging the club's finances into turmoil. Because if that budget was always fully funded and in the bank, there wouldn't be a cashflow crisis. A large chunk of the budget must be on a big salary for PDC and those of his support team, which probably seemed a good idea at the time they appointed him, expecting bigger attendances and hoping for two promotions in three years. If Black is a gambler then I would have thought there would also be a big bonus inked into Paolo's contract for getting Swindon into the Championship. That might be one reason why Paolo's upset. Ritchie, Martin, Hollands gone. Players injured. New loan signings not happening (the club must have known the League would not sanction them once the takeover bid was filed with them, so it begs the question as to who put these deals together, and why? Can't be the potential new owners, that's for sure). None of this is increasing our chances of promotion. Hence Paolo **** off. These sums involved must be a big part of the equation because I'll be very surprised if the new owners have big ambitions or a big pot to **** in. The lack of any bridging finance for Ritchie is tell-tale evidence. Whether the club was put into administration, or kept going until summer under new joint-ownership, my big fear is that if Black wants out altogether, that will still mean more player sales to come. Do it in administration at the end of the January window and you would get distressed prices. Sell just enough (Ritchie) to tide you over, and you can will get higher transfer fees in the summer. I'm guessing this is what the financial administrators might have told him anyway. If Black still owns a chunk of the club but wants out altogether I can't see why he wouldn't want to realise some value by stripping the assets, unless he plans to write off large amounts as a goodwill gesture to the club and its fans. Would be nice if he did, but he's hardly obliged to. madterrier

4:53pm Tue 5 Feb 13

London Red says...

Terrier - have you ever thought that Fitton and Wray didn't up sticks - but were in fact ousted?
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Fitton said he resigned from the board fullstop as he no longer wanted to be the only one questioning the budgeted losses
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His vision of why they entered was disappearing and he no longer felt his position was tenable - is that his fault or is it technically constructive dismissal?
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We know Wray is a massive fan and still attend games in the regular stands and finds time to chat to fans in the pubs as well
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I don't think he simply up sticked but was publically kicked out!
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Why? - well thats the 64 million dollar question we all want to know!
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Now if Guv is really in the know why doesn't he inform us on this part as this is the real bit people want to know
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Why has AB backed out? Why was it so sudden? Also if he doesn't want to run things (as he publically said?) why is Guv suggesting he is still going to have a large enough share to make the decisions?
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Also one final thing how do you know we have budgeted losses of £4m - that seems very excessive - especially as our wage bill is no larger than 2010 and our loss outside player sales was only £500k then
Terrier - have you ever thought that Fitton and Wray didn't up sticks - but were in fact ousted? . Fitton said he resigned from the board fullstop as he no longer wanted to be the only one questioning the budgeted losses . His vision of why they entered was disappearing and he no longer felt his position was tenable - is that his fault or is it technically constructive dismissal? . We know Wray is a massive fan and still attend games in the regular stands and finds time to chat to fans in the pubs as well . I don't think he simply up sticked but was publically kicked out! . Why? - well thats the 64 million dollar question we all want to know! . Now if Guv is really in the know why doesn't he inform us on this part as this is the real bit people want to know . Why has AB backed out? Why was it so sudden? Also if he doesn't want to run things (as he publically said?) why is Guv suggesting he is still going to have a large enough share to make the decisions? . Also one final thing how do you know we have budgeted losses of £4m - that seems very excessive - especially as our wage bill is no larger than 2010 and our loss outside player sales was only £500k then London Red

5:01pm Tue 5 Feb 13

SAPFanSTFC says...

Davidsyrett wrote:
SAPFanSTFC wrote:
Davidsyrett wrote:
MarksDad wrote:
It doesn't matter what PDC says the negative atttiude from those who don't like him, STFC2012 for one, will never change their mind.
I really can't comprehend that they believe there is any one better than PDC to manage our club, he has had his issues but he has learnt and continues to learn.
It is obvious the way he lives his life is based on honesty, loyalty and respect. I don't know but I suspect the issues he has faced have challenged his core beliefs and through loyalty to the players, his staff and supporters he has not walked away.
I for one hope he stays, If he does then perhaps the ride can continue.
I think what a lot of fans are beginning to see is that no one person can be bigger than the club, I agree that PdC has been a breath of fresh air since coming here and is our best manger for at least 20 odd years, but he is not blameless in all of this, he has spent vast sums of money and basically ended up bankrupting the club, obviously it all comes down to what reassurances he was given by the board, but I still feel he has a responsibility to the club and fans to see it out at least to the end of the season.

I for one will not class him as a legend if he walks away in our hour of need.
Hi there DavidSyrett - I'd love to know what assurances re: budgets he was given - he couldn't spend money with them sanctioning it hence I don't see it as all his fault.
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Yes he did waste a load but that was by totally underestimating the task in hand in league 2 and it was an expensive back-track.
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Since then the board have approved a budget and he has spent it - although no-one (apparently) understood that they would have to pay 100% up front for Troy and Collins which messed it all up.
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As we all know we'll never know everything but I can't believe he spent money he wasn't told he could spend.
Hi SAPF,

I keep going back to why was JW sacked?

It seems to be downhill since then. I obviously only guessing but I wonder if JW was kept being put under pressure by PdC to release funds and I wonder how much AB knew about it.

There's no doubt in my mind though that
PdC public comments on the transfer embargo would have put pressure to invest yet more money to get us out of it.

Did AB really budget to be losing (if believed) £250K a month?

So many questions, so few answers, Oh for a statement!!
Yep agreed
[quote][p][bold]Davidsyrett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAPFanSTFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davidsyrett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MarksDad[/bold] wrote: It doesn't matter what PDC says the negative atttiude from those who don't like him, STFC2012 for one, will never change their mind. I really can't comprehend that they believe there is any one better than PDC to manage our club, he has had his issues but he has learnt and continues to learn. It is obvious the way he lives his life is based on honesty, loyalty and respect. I don't know but I suspect the issues he has faced have challenged his core beliefs and through loyalty to the players, his staff and supporters he has not walked away. I for one hope he stays, If he does then perhaps the ride can continue.[/p][/quote]I think what a lot of fans are beginning to see is that no one person can be bigger than the club, I agree that PdC has been a breath of fresh air since coming here and is our best manger for at least 20 odd years, but he is not blameless in all of this, he has spent vast sums of money and basically ended up bankrupting the club, obviously it all comes down to what reassurances he was given by the board, but I still feel he has a responsibility to the club and fans to see it out at least to the end of the season. I for one will not class him as a legend if he walks away in our hour of need.[/p][/quote]Hi there DavidSyrett - I'd love to know what assurances re: budgets he was given - he couldn't spend money with them sanctioning it hence I don't see it as all his fault. . Yes he did waste a load but that was by totally underestimating the task in hand in league 2 and it was an expensive back-track. . Since then the board have approved a budget and he has spent it - although no-one (apparently) understood that they would have to pay 100% up front for Troy and Collins which messed it all up. . As we all know we'll never know everything but I can't believe he spent money he wasn't told he could spend.[/p][/quote]Hi SAPF, I keep going back to why was JW sacked? It seems to be downhill since then. I obviously only guessing but I wonder if JW was kept being put under pressure by PdC to release funds and I wonder how much AB knew about it. There's no doubt in my mind though that PdC public comments on the transfer embargo would have put pressure to invest yet more money to get us out of it. Did AB really budget to be losing (if believed) £250K a month? So many questions, so few answers, Oh for a statement!![/p][/quote]Yep agreed SAPFanSTFC

5:05pm Tue 5 Feb 13

madterrier says...

LR - oh I don't doubt that Wray and Fitton were ousted. But you misread my 'upped sticks' comment. That all relates to Black and his decision to abandon the plan and the budget suddenly.

If anything, Fitton might want to know why the money he loaned to the club, with the intention of running a balanced budget, was going to be wasted, rather than be too worried about a constructive dismissal in losing his position as chairman.

Of course would love to hear what Wray has to say about all this, although I doubt he will break silence. Not yet anyway.

And I didn't say that we were budgeting for losses of £4 million either. That would be crazy. I said £4 million is the overall budget, and it's a loss-making one. Different things. I don't know what the projected losses were going to be, but the consensus is between £1.2-1.5 million?
LR - oh I don't doubt that Wray and Fitton were ousted. But you misread my 'upped sticks' [stumps] comment. That all relates to Black and his decision to abandon the plan and the budget suddenly. If anything, Fitton might want to know why the money he loaned to the club, with the intention of running a balanced budget, was going to be wasted, rather than be too worried about a constructive dismissal in losing his position as chairman. Of course would love to hear what Wray has to say about all this, although I doubt he will break silence. Not yet anyway. And I didn't say that we were budgeting for losses of £4 million either. That would be crazy. I said £4 million is the overall budget, and it's a loss-making one. Different things. I don't know what the projected losses were going to be, but the consensus is between £1.2-1.5 million? madterrier

5:10pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Mchalethegreat says...

How many more times does it have to be explained that a Non Disclosure Agreement means the relevant parties are not allowed to disclose anything! The speculation and conspiracy theories are worse than an episode of the X Files. Whilst a huge supporter of Paulo he needs to recognise that we cannot continue to bankroll every single one of his wishes. When looking at the list of players we probably had to pay off that simply can't be ignored. He also has two professional players (now persona non-grata) that he has chosen not to even have on the bench tonight that probably cost us around £150K last season..imagine what a club like Oldham or Bury make of that. He is an inspirational and passionate guy and we have shared great success with him but he also needs to reign it in sometimes. His statements yesterday and hardly likely to inspire the potential signings to join even if all go's well with the takeover. Just hoping for a conlusion to this soap opera by the end of the week so all of us know what the future looks like. Here's hoping for a result on the pitch tonight!
How many more times does it have to be explained that a Non Disclosure Agreement means the relevant parties are not allowed to disclose anything! The speculation and conspiracy theories are worse than an episode of the X Files. Whilst a huge supporter of Paulo he needs to recognise that we cannot continue to bankroll every single one of his wishes. When looking at the list of players we probably had to pay off that simply can't be ignored. He also has two professional players (now persona non-grata) that he has chosen not to even have on the bench tonight that probably cost us around £150K last season..imagine what a club like Oldham or Bury make of that. He is an inspirational and passionate guy and we have shared great success with him but he also needs to reign it in sometimes. His statements yesterday and hardly likely to inspire the potential signings to join even if all go's well with the takeover. Just hoping for a conlusion to this soap opera by the end of the week so all of us know what the future looks like. Here's hoping for a result on the pitch tonight! Mchalethegreat

5:17pm Tue 5 Feb 13

SAPFanSTFC says...

SAPFanSTFC wrote:
Davidsyrett wrote:
SAPFanSTFC wrote:
Davidsyrett wrote:
MarksDad wrote:
It doesn't matter what PDC says the negative atttiude from those who don't like him, STFC2012 for one, will never change their mind.
I really can't comprehend that they believe there is any one better than PDC to manage our club, he has had his issues but he has learnt and continues to learn.
It is obvious the way he lives his life is based on honesty, loyalty and respect. I don't know but I suspect the issues he has faced have challenged his core beliefs and through loyalty to the players, his staff and supporters he has not walked away.
I for one hope he stays, If he does then perhaps the ride can continue.
I think what a lot of fans are beginning to see is that no one person can be bigger than the club, I agree that PdC has been a breath of fresh air since coming here and is our best manger for at least 20 odd years, but he is not blameless in all of this, he has spent vast sums of money and basically ended up bankrupting the club, obviously it all comes down to what reassurances he was given by the board, but I still feel he has a responsibility to the club and fans to see it out at least to the end of the season.

I for one will not class him as a legend if he walks away in our hour of need.
Hi there DavidSyrett - I'd love to know what assurances re: budgets he was given - he couldn't spend money with them sanctioning it hence I don't see it as all his fault.
.
Yes he did waste a load but that was by totally underestimating the task in hand in league 2 and it was an expensive back-track.
.
Since then the board have approved a budget and he has spent it - although no-one (apparently) understood that they would have to pay 100% up front for Troy and Collins which messed it all up.
.
As we all know we'll never know everything but I can't believe he spent money he wasn't told he could spend.
Hi SAPF,

I keep going back to why was JW sacked?

It seems to be downhill since then. I obviously only guessing but I wonder if JW was kept being put under pressure by PdC to release funds and I wonder how much AB knew about it.

There's no doubt in my mind though that
PdC public comments on the transfer embargo would have put pressure to invest yet more money to get us out of it.

Did AB really budget to be losing (if believed) £250K a month?

So many questions, so few answers, Oh for a statement!!
Yep agreed
Oops wrong post - nope don't agree!
:-)
As per LR comment - He was sat behind me in the stadium v A.Villa and was chatting freely - a perfect gentleman as you all know but fearful for PDC and what he was to face ?I did post this at the time in case I get a certain poster commenting) - it was clear from this discussion that Wray left out of duty to himself and that PDC had yet to face the worst
[quote][p][bold]SAPFanSTFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davidsyrett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAPFanSTFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davidsyrett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MarksDad[/bold] wrote: It doesn't matter what PDC says the negative atttiude from those who don't like him, STFC2012 for one, will never change their mind. I really can't comprehend that they believe there is any one better than PDC to manage our club, he has had his issues but he has learnt and continues to learn. It is obvious the way he lives his life is based on honesty, loyalty and respect. I don't know but I suspect the issues he has faced have challenged his core beliefs and through loyalty to the players, his staff and supporters he has not walked away. I for one hope he stays, If he does then perhaps the ride can continue.[/p][/quote]I think what a lot of fans are beginning to see is that no one person can be bigger than the club, I agree that PdC has been a breath of fresh air since coming here and is our best manger for at least 20 odd years, but he is not blameless in all of this, he has spent vast sums of money and basically ended up bankrupting the club, obviously it all comes down to what reassurances he was given by the board, but I still feel he has a responsibility to the club and fans to see it out at least to the end of the season. I for one will not class him as a legend if he walks away in our hour of need.[/p][/quote]Hi there DavidSyrett - I'd love to know what assurances re: budgets he was given - he couldn't spend money with them sanctioning it hence I don't see it as all his fault. . Yes he did waste a load but that was by totally underestimating the task in hand in league 2 and it was an expensive back-track. . Since then the board have approved a budget and he has spent it - although no-one (apparently) understood that they would have to pay 100% up front for Troy and Collins which messed it all up. . As we all know we'll never know everything but I can't believe he spent money he wasn't told he could spend.[/p][/quote]Hi SAPF, I keep going back to why was JW sacked? It seems to be downhill since then. I obviously only guessing but I wonder if JW was kept being put under pressure by PdC to release funds and I wonder how much AB knew about it. There's no doubt in my mind though that PdC public comments on the transfer embargo would have put pressure to invest yet more money to get us out of it. Did AB really budget to be losing (if believed) £250K a month? So many questions, so few answers, Oh for a statement!![/p][/quote]Yep agreed[/p][/quote]Oops wrong post - nope don't agree! :-) As per LR comment - He was sat behind me in the stadium v A.Villa and was chatting freely - a perfect gentleman as you all know but fearful for PDC and what he was to face ?I did post this at the time in case I get a certain poster commenting) - it was clear from this discussion that Wray left out of duty to himself and that PDC had yet to face the worst SAPFanSTFC

5:22pm Tue 5 Feb 13

NewburyRobin says...

Ok Guv if you want to silence the doubters then please give us another name involved in the consortium other than JM.
Ok Guv if you want to silence the doubters then please give us another name involved in the consortium other than JM. NewburyRobin

5:34pm Tue 5 Feb 13

SAPFanSTFC says...

It's bloody snowing here now!!...well in for a penny in for a pound - good job I brought a jumper tonight!
It's bloody snowing here now!!...well in for a penny in for a pound - good job I brought a jumper tonight! SAPFanSTFC

5:36pm Tue 5 Feb 13

SAPFanSTFC says...

NewburyRobin wrote:
Ok Guv if you want to silence the doubters then please give us another name involved in the consortium other than JM.
They won't but am sure they'll nearly come out of hiding....NEARLY!!!!
! :-)
[quote][p][bold]NewburyRobin[/bold] wrote: Ok Guv if you want to silence the doubters then please give us another name involved in the consortium other than JM.[/p][/quote]They won't but am sure they'll nearly come out of hiding....NEARLY!!!! ! :-) SAPFanSTFC

5:49pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Oi Den! says...

Many are wondering why Black wanted out. Given the fact that he does want out now, I would like to know why he ever wanted in. The only expensive item he would not have known about when he joined us was the PDC factor. Whilst I would imagine that the cost of the PDC "buy, try, and discard" policy has been eye-watering, I'm not convinced that it would be enough in itself to make Black pull the plug, especially with the possibility of more success on the horizon. There is definitely very much more to all this than meets the public eye.
Many are wondering why Black wanted out. Given the fact that he does want out now, I would like to know why he ever wanted in. The only expensive item he would not have known about when he joined us was the PDC factor. Whilst I would imagine that the cost of the PDC "buy, try, and discard" policy has been eye-watering, I'm not convinced that it would be enough in itself to make Black pull the plug, especially with the possibility of more success on the horizon. There is definitely very much more to all this than meets the public eye. Oi Den!

5:49pm Tue 5 Feb 13

London Red says...

Terrier - OK cool - agree with that
Terrier - OK cool - agree with that London Red

5:55pm Tue 5 Feb 13

London Red says...

Our wage bill was reported as £250k a month - not our budgeted loss!
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Which is only £3m a year - so I think it is probably more likely to be £350k - making it £4.2m which fits more with reports by SWP and PdC
Our wage bill was reported as £250k a month - not our budgeted loss! . Which is only £3m a year - so I think it is probably more likely to be £350k - making it £4.2m which fits more with reports by SWP and PdC London Red

6:15pm Tue 5 Feb 13

SAPFanSTFC says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Many are wondering why Black wanted out. Given the fact that he does want out now, I would like to know why he ever wanted in. The only expensive item he would not have known about when he joined us was the PDC factor. Whilst I would imagine that the cost of the PDC "buy, try, and discard" policy has been eye-watering, I'm not convinced that it would be enough in itself to make Black pull the plug, especially with the possibility of more success on the horizon. There is definitely very much more to all this than meets the public eye.
He is in trouble financially as he has no liquid funds and his investment portfolio is probably down by more than the 60% which was last publicised....he can't afford a rich boys toy anymore!
.....nothing much else to it really - as you hint else ways he wouldn't have started unless he was ratted when he agreed to Fitton
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Many are wondering why Black wanted out. Given the fact that he does want out now, I would like to know why he ever wanted in. The only expensive item he would not have known about when he joined us was the PDC factor. Whilst I would imagine that the cost of the PDC "buy, try, and discard" policy has been eye-watering, I'm not convinced that it would be enough in itself to make Black pull the plug, especially with the possibility of more success on the horizon. There is definitely very much more to all this than meets the public eye.[/p][/quote]He is in trouble financially as he has no liquid funds and his investment portfolio is probably down by more than the 60% which was last publicised....he can't afford a rich boys toy anymore! .....nothing much else to it really - as you hint else ways he wouldn't have started unless he was ratted when he agreed to Fitton SAPFanSTFC

6:15pm Tue 5 Feb 13

eddyxx says...

interesting thought on why any of the recent consortiums have got involved, most certainly not for football reasons and probably a get rich scheme based on ground development but for certain black and his crew have without doubt saved the club and come close to delivering championship football within 5 years. Maybe we can dream but reality is without them we are down the pan.
interesting thought on why any of the recent consortiums have got involved, most certainly not for football reasons and probably a get rich scheme based on ground development but for certain black and his crew have without doubt saved the club and come close to delivering championship football within 5 years. Maybe we can dream but reality is without them we are down the pan. eddyxx

6:40pm Tue 5 Feb 13

jayden says...

Guv reminds me of sherlock holmes in the voice of terror.
Guv reminds me of sherlock holmes in the voice of terror. jayden

6:41pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Davidsyrett says...

SAPFanSTFC wrote:
SAPFanSTFC wrote:
Davidsyrett wrote:
SAPFanSTFC wrote:
Davidsyrett wrote:
MarksDad wrote:
It doesn't matter what PDC says the negative atttiude from those who don't like him, STFC2012 for one, will never change their mind.
I really can't comprehend that they believe there is any one better than PDC to manage our club, he has had his issues but he has learnt and continues to learn.
It is obvious the way he lives his life is based on honesty, loyalty and respect. I don't know but I suspect the issues he has faced have challenged his core beliefs and through loyalty to the players, his staff and supporters he has not walked away.
I for one hope he stays, If he does then perhaps the ride can continue.
I think what a lot of fans are beginning to see is that no one person can be bigger than the club, I agree that PdC has been a breath of fresh air since coming here and is our best manger for at least 20 odd years, but he is not blameless in all of this, he has spent vast sums of money and basically ended up bankrupting the club, obviously it all comes down to what reassurances he was given by the board, but I still feel he has a responsibility to the club and fans to see it out at least to the end of the season.

I for one will not class him as a legend if he walks away in our hour of need.
Hi there DavidSyrett - I'd love to know what assurances re: budgets he was given - he couldn't spend money with them sanctioning it hence I don't see it as all his fault.
.
Yes he did waste a load but that was by totally underestimating the task in hand in league 2 and it was an expensive back-track.
.
Since then the board have approved a budget and he has spent it - although no-one (apparently) understood that they would have to pay 100% up front for Troy and Collins which messed it all up.
.
As we all know we'll never know everything but I can't believe he spent money he wasn't told he could spend.
Hi SAPF,

I keep going back to why was JW sacked?

It seems to be downhill since then. I obviously only guessing but I wonder if JW was kept being put under pressure by PdC to release funds and I wonder how much AB knew about it.

There's no doubt in my mind though that
PdC public comments on the transfer embargo would have put pressure to invest yet more money to get us out of it.

Did AB really budget to be losing (if believed) £250K a month?

So many questions, so few answers, Oh for a statement!!
Yep agreed
Oops wrong post - nope don't agree!
:-)
As per LR comment - He was sat behind me in the stadium v A.Villa and was chatting freely - a perfect gentleman as you all know but fearful for PDC and what he was to face ?I did post this at the time in case I get a certain poster commenting) - it was clear from this discussion that Wray left out of duty to himself and that PDC had yet to face the worst
But do we know what caused JW to leave? Something must have triggered it? The embargo?
[quote][p][bold]SAPFanSTFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAPFanSTFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davidsyrett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAPFanSTFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davidsyrett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MarksDad[/bold] wrote: It doesn't matter what PDC says the negative atttiude from those who don't like him, STFC2012 for one, will never change their mind. I really can't comprehend that they believe there is any one better than PDC to manage our club, he has had his issues but he has learnt and continues to learn. It is obvious the way he lives his life is based on honesty, loyalty and respect. I don't know but I suspect the issues he has faced have challenged his core beliefs and through loyalty to the players, his staff and supporters he has not walked away. I for one hope he stays, If he does then perhaps the ride can continue.[/p][/quote]I think what a lot of fans are beginning to see is that no one person can be bigger than the club, I agree that PdC has been a breath of fresh air since coming here and is our best manger for at least 20 odd years, but he is not blameless in all of this, he has spent vast sums of money and basically ended up bankrupting the club, obviously it all comes down to what reassurances he was given by the board, but I still feel he has a responsibility to the club and fans to see it out at least to the end of the season. I for one will not class him as a legend if he walks away in our hour of need.[/p][/quote]Hi there DavidSyrett - I'd love to know what assurances re: budgets he was given - he couldn't spend money with them sanctioning it hence I don't see it as all his fault. . Yes he did waste a load but that was by totally underestimating the task in hand in league 2 and it was an expensive back-track. . Since then the board have approved a budget and he has spent it - although no-one (apparently) understood that they would have to pay 100% up front for Troy and Collins which messed it all up. . As we all know we'll never know everything but I can't believe he spent money he wasn't told he could spend.[/p][/quote]Hi SAPF, I keep going back to why was JW sacked? It seems to be downhill since then. I obviously only guessing but I wonder if JW was kept being put under pressure by PdC to release funds and I wonder how much AB knew about it. There's no doubt in my mind though that PdC public comments on the transfer embargo would have put pressure to invest yet more money to get us out of it. Did AB really budget to be losing (if believed) £250K a month? So many questions, so few answers, Oh for a statement!![/p][/quote]Yep agreed[/p][/quote]Oops wrong post - nope don't agree! :-) As per LR comment - He was sat behind me in the stadium v A.Villa and was chatting freely - a perfect gentleman as you all know but fearful for PDC and what he was to face ?I did post this at the time in case I get a certain poster commenting) - it was clear from this discussion that Wray left out of duty to himself and that PDC had yet to face the worst[/p][/quote]But do we know what caused JW to leave? Something must have triggered it? The embargo? Davidsyrett

6:43pm Tue 5 Feb 13

super reds says...

eddyxx wrote:
interesting thought on why any of the recent consortiums have got involved, most certainly not for football reasons and probably a get rich scheme based on ground development but for certain black and his crew have without doubt saved the club and come close to delivering championship football within 5 years. Maybe we can dream but reality is without them we are down the pan.
Never thought of that Edd, Thinking about it now, I would imagine ground development is on the cards to try & maximise any investment. London Red is fairly hot on the figures on what we would likely make should we be fortunate to make the championship next season, not chicken feed but they would possibly want more & coupled with ground development which has been on the agenda then off it more times than I can remember over the last few years it might look a tempting proposition, like you said, why would someone want to take on what is at the moment a loss making business if there wasn't some other way of making a few quid. A prime example is Madjeski, he developed the Mad Stad around the football club & has, if I'm honest, top quality facilities all round & although he no longer has big interest in Reading he still owns the hotel & conference facilities which make him a few bob.
[quote][p][bold]eddyxx[/bold] wrote: interesting thought on why any of the recent consortiums have got involved, most certainly not for football reasons and probably a get rich scheme based on ground development but for certain black and his crew have without doubt saved the club and come close to delivering championship football within 5 years. Maybe we can dream but reality is without them we are down the pan.[/p][/quote]Never thought of that Edd, Thinking about it now, I would imagine ground development is on the cards to try & maximise any investment. London Red is fairly hot on the figures on what we would likely make should we be fortunate to make the championship next season, not chicken feed but they would possibly want more & coupled with ground development which has been on the agenda then off it more times than I can remember over the last few years it might look a tempting proposition, like you said, why would someone want to take on what is at the moment a loss making business if there wasn't some other way of making a few quid. A prime example is Madjeski, he developed the Mad Stad around the football club & has, if I'm honest, top quality facilities all round & although he no longer has big interest in Reading he still owns the hotel & conference facilities which make him a few bob. super reds

7:09pm Tue 5 Feb 13

madterrier says...

£250,000 a month may be just the players' wages. The £4 or £4.2m could be the total budget of running the club - administrative costs, bank interest and salaries for the rest of the staff. Not sure where PDC and his team's salaries fit into those numbers. The top paid players at the club cannot be on more than £3-4,000 a week.

I don't see any way of making money out of the club at present, on current attendances. Even if we owned the CG, it would require a significant investment, and a new stadium even more so. With the whole country bankrupt I don't see too many new property projects being initiated right now, unless you happen to work in the railways (Crossrail, HS2). Maybe we should become a railway town?? Oh hang on, wait.....
£250,000 a month may be just the players' wages. The £4 or £4.2m could be the total budget of running the club - administrative costs, bank interest and salaries for the rest of the staff. Not sure where PDC and his team's salaries fit into those numbers. The top paid players at the club cannot be on more than £3-4,000 a week. I don't see any way of making money out of the club at present, on current attendances. Even if we owned the CG, it would require a significant investment, and a new stadium even more so. With the whole country bankrupt I don't see too many new property projects being initiated right now, unless you happen to work in the railways (Crossrail, HS2). Maybe we should become a railway town?? Oh hang on, wait..... madterrier

8:40pm Tue 5 Feb 13

swindon1969 says...

What a depressing thread! scandel after scandel,PDC has this., MR B said this,the GUV, the be all of every thing thats right, what the hell does anyone know about anything? NO one has anything to bring to table right now, do we? lets face it ladies and gentlemen,we are in limbo. Guv, stop the bullshite,if you have somthing to say then bloody give it. I keep looking at your posts,but just not sure. who do you think you are?you come to this site with all the knowledge of the in side,yet you stop at the point of reavealing your self.
like most on this site, all im interested in is the club i follow.yes its hard, its Swindon town.
Oh by the way,isnt it fantastic that ive never seen so many new names, that have come to this site since the difficult times have arrived, i wonder why, ughmmm, let me think about that!
What a depressing thread! scandel after scandel,PDC has this., MR B said this,the GUV, the be all of every thing thats right, what the hell does anyone know about anything? NO one has anything to bring to table right now, do we? lets face it ladies and gentlemen,we are in limbo. Guv, stop the bullshite,if you have somthing to say then bloody give it. I keep looking at your posts,but just not sure. who do you think you are?you come to this site with all the knowledge of the in side,yet you stop at the point of reavealing your self. like most on this site, all im interested in is the club i follow.yes its hard, its Swindon town. Oh by the way,isnt it fantastic that ive never seen so many new names, that have come to this site since the difficult times have arrived, i wonder why, ughmmm, let me think about that! swindon1969

8:45pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Davidsyrett says...

madterrier wrote:
£250,000 a month may be just the players' wages. The £4 or £4.2m could be the total budget of running the club - administrative costs, bank interest and salaries for the rest of the staff. Not sure where PDC and his team's salaries fit into those numbers. The top paid players at the club cannot be on more than £3-4,000 a week.

I don't see any way of making money out of the club at present, on current attendances. Even if we owned the CG, it would require a significant investment, and a new stadium even more so. With the whole country bankrupt I don't see too many new property projects being initiated right now, unless you happen to work in the railways (Crossrail, HS2). Maybe we should become a railway town?? Oh hang on, wait.....
Ritchie was on about £10K a week, I imagine there will be a few around that mark still remaining here.

If we are losing £250K a month, as I have already stated before we would have to virtually fill the stadium every home game with full paying fans to beak even, that wont happen even if we get promoted, probably average 10/11K.

Unless there is money from the new owners expect big cuts in the summer. I doubt if the truth be said we could afford PdC even if he wanted to stay.
[quote][p][bold]madterrier[/bold] wrote: £250,000 a month may be just the players' wages. The £4 or £4.2m could be the total budget of running the club - administrative costs, bank interest and salaries for the rest of the staff. Not sure where PDC and his team's salaries fit into those numbers. The top paid players at the club cannot be on more than £3-4,000 a week. I don't see any way of making money out of the club at present, on current attendances. Even if we owned the CG, it would require a significant investment, and a new stadium even more so. With the whole country bankrupt I don't see too many new property projects being initiated right now, unless you happen to work in the railways (Crossrail, HS2). Maybe we should become a railway town?? Oh hang on, wait.....[/p][/quote]Ritchie was on about £10K a week, I imagine there will be a few around that mark still remaining here. If we are losing £250K a month, as I have already stated before we would have to virtually fill the stadium every home game with full paying fans to beak even, that wont happen even if we get promoted, probably average 10/11K. Unless there is money from the new owners expect big cuts in the summer. I doubt if the truth be said we could afford PdC even if he wanted to stay. Davidsyrett

8:48pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Davidsyrett says...

swindon1969 wrote:
What a depressing thread! scandel after scandel,PDC has this., MR B said this,the GUV, the be all of every thing thats right, what the hell does anyone know about anything? NO one has anything to bring to table right now, do we? lets face it ladies and gentlemen,we are in limbo. Guv, stop the bullshite,if you have somthing to say then bloody give it. I keep looking at your posts,but just not sure. who do you think you are?you come to this site with all the knowledge of the in side,yet you stop at the point of reavealing your self.
like most on this site, all im interested in is the club i follow.yes its hard, its Swindon town.
Oh by the way,isnt it fantastic that ive never seen so many new names, that have come to this site since the difficult times have arrived, i wonder why, ughmmm, let me think about that!
TBH 69, it's depressing whats happening to the club, not surprising the threads at the moment are are just as bad.

Hoping for some good news soon!! Please!!
[quote][p][bold]swindon1969[/bold] wrote: What a depressing thread! scandel after scandel,PDC has this., MR B said this,the GUV, the be all of every thing thats right, what the hell does anyone know about anything? NO one has anything to bring to table right now, do we? lets face it ladies and gentlemen,we are in limbo. Guv, stop the bullshite,if you have somthing to say then bloody give it. I keep looking at your posts,but just not sure. who do you think you are?you come to this site with all the knowledge of the in side,yet you stop at the point of reavealing your self. like most on this site, all im interested in is the club i follow.yes its hard, its Swindon town. Oh by the way,isnt it fantastic that ive never seen so many new names, that have come to this site since the difficult times have arrived, i wonder why, ughmmm, let me think about that![/p][/quote]TBH 69, it's depressing whats happening to the club, not surprising the threads at the moment are are just as bad. Hoping for some good news soon!! Please!! Davidsyrett

9:07pm Tue 5 Feb 13

swindon1969 says...

Good news, thats all i want.
Its not hard is to get is it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!?
Good news, thats all i want. Its not hard is to get is it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!? swindon1969

9:17pm Tue 5 Feb 13

SimonPrice351 says...

Guv, very interesting.

I will take what you say as face value, and I would be interesting in hearing about what you know - my email is the same as my name here, just add @gmail.com after it.

I've heard a few tales as well recently in 'The Quirky Pub' - think of music and the bar man who promises to price match a pint if you can buy it for more elsewhere...

I can't help but think Jed will not be in it for the long haul. Something just does not seem right about this.

For an outside perspective:

http://www.nonleague
forum.co.uk/viewtopi
c.php?pid=491991

From the Banbury Guardian (cut and pasted):

'Jed McCrory has moved to reassure Banbury United fans that he is determined to stay at Spencer Stadium.

The Puritans owner spoke on Tuesday night, after the game against Kettering Town, when reports emerged linking him with troubled League One club Swindon Town.

McCrory is due to address fans in the clubhouse at Spencer Stadium on Friday night at 7pm. He said: “It was quite emotional for me when I turned up at the ground on Tuesday night with fans asking me what was going on.

“I was probably the only person at this club who believed we could do this when I arrived. But, with people starting to support what we’re doing at Banbury, I really believe we can make it happen for this club.

“I’m trying to improve the stadium, the facilities and, of course, the team.

“I love coming to Spencer Stadium and I want to be here in some capacity for the foreseeable future.'

Just makes you wonder WTF is going on!
Guv, very interesting. I will take what you say as face value, and I would be interesting in hearing about what you know - my email is the same as my name here, just add @gmail.com after it. I've heard a few tales as well recently in 'The Quirky Pub' - think of music and the bar man who promises to price match a pint if you can buy it for more elsewhere... I can't help but think Jed will not be in it for the long haul. Something just does not seem right about this. For an outside perspective: http://www.nonleague forum.co.uk/viewtopi c.php?pid=491991 From the Banbury Guardian (cut and pasted): 'Jed McCrory has moved to reassure Banbury United fans that he is determined to stay at Spencer Stadium. The Puritans owner spoke on Tuesday night, after the game against Kettering Town, when reports emerged linking him with troubled League One club Swindon Town. McCrory is due to address fans in the clubhouse at Spencer Stadium on Friday night at 7pm. He said: “It was quite emotional for me when I turned up at the ground on Tuesday night with fans asking me what was going on. “I was probably the only person at this club who believed we could do this when I arrived. But, with people starting to support what we’re doing at Banbury, I really believe we can make it happen for this club. “I’m trying to improve the stadium, the facilities and, of course, the team. “I love coming to Spencer Stadium and I want to be here in some capacity for the foreseeable future.' Just makes you wonder WTF is going on! SimonPrice351

9:48pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Davidsyrett says...

Good news at last, COYR's
Good news at last, COYR's Davidsyrett

9:50pm Tue 5 Feb 13

chrystovski says...

The below thread doesn't seem very popular spread some Paolo love and let him know how much we want him to stay

http://www.thisisswi
ndontownfc.co.uk/new
s/headlines/10205113
.Send_your_messages_
to_Paolo/
The below thread doesn't seem very popular spread some Paolo love and let him know how much we want him to stay http://www.thisisswi ndontownfc.co.uk/new s/headlines/10205113 .Send_your_messages_ to_Paolo/ chrystovski

10:42pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Jeremy Hilary Boob says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Many are wondering why Black wanted out. Given the fact that he does want out now, I would like to know why he ever wanted in. The only expensive item he would not have known about when he joined us was the PDC factor. Whilst I would imagine that the cost of the PDC "buy, try, and discard" policy has been eye-watering, I'm not convinced that it would be enough in itself to make Black pull the plug, especially with the possibility of more success on the horizon. There is definitely very much more to all this than meets the public eye.
Could be a lot of things we don't know about.

I think PDC's scattergun recruitment policy has definitely alerted him to how expensive football can be. Fitton (perhaps naively) didn't want to pay agents at all, but last season we paid £460k. Add in expensive wages, and Di Canio's "don't try before you buy" player strategy and maybe he could just the old joke that the best way of making a small fortune out of football is to start with a large fortune was coming true.

Maybe the board thought gates would be higher than they were, but this is a bit naive. They're decent for L1 and unlike one or two teams we can't cash in on a good away support at the CG or do a few offers to attract new fans because the CG only holds 14,000 and 2,000 of those are on the Bank. Bradford had >24,000 v Arsenal and Villa - the most we'd have got was 14,000. Some of those 24,000 are likely to stick around - imagine being a kid dragged along to watch them by your old man and suddenly you're in the LC Final!

Maybe they wanted to develop the CG as a way to get the club self-financing and the council weren't playing ball? Again, Black might have just seen a bottomless pit into which he'd be forever chucking money. That's hard to justify when you're a fan, let alone when you're not.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Many are wondering why Black wanted out. Given the fact that he does want out now, I would like to know why he ever wanted in. The only expensive item he would not have known about when he joined us was the PDC factor. Whilst I would imagine that the cost of the PDC "buy, try, and discard" policy has been eye-watering, I'm not convinced that it would be enough in itself to make Black pull the plug, especially with the possibility of more success on the horizon. There is definitely very much more to all this than meets the public eye.[/p][/quote]Could be a lot of things we don't know about. I think PDC's scattergun recruitment policy has definitely alerted him to how expensive football can be. Fitton (perhaps naively) didn't want to pay agents at all, but last season we paid £460k. Add in expensive wages, and Di Canio's "don't try before you buy" player strategy and maybe he could just the old joke that the best way of making a small fortune out of football is to start with a large fortune was coming true. Maybe the board thought gates would be higher than they were, but this is a bit naive. They're decent for L1 and unlike one or two teams we can't cash in on a good away support at the CG or do a few offers to attract new fans because the CG only holds 14,000 and 2,000 of those are on the Bank. Bradford had >24,000 v Arsenal and Villa - the most we'd have got was 14,000. Some of those 24,000 are likely to stick around - imagine being a kid dragged along to watch them by your old man and suddenly you're in the LC Final! Maybe they wanted to develop the CG as a way to get the club self-financing and the council weren't playing ball? Again, Black might have just seen a bottomless pit into which he'd be forever chucking money. That's hard to justify when you're a fan, let alone when you're not. Jeremy Hilary Boob

10:53pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Jeremy Hilary Boob says...

madterrier wrote:
£250,000 a month may be just the players' wages. The £4 or £4.2m could be the total budget of running the club - administrative costs, bank interest and salaries for the rest of the staff. Not sure where PDC and his team's salaries fit into those numbers. The top paid players at the club cannot be on more than £3-4,000 a week.

I don't see any way of making money out of the club at present, on current attendances. Even if we owned the CG, it would require a significant investment, and a new stadium even more so. With the whole country bankrupt I don't see too many new property projects being initiated right now, unless you happen to work in the railways (Crossrail, HS2). Maybe we should become a railway town?? Oh hang on, wait.....
The depressing thing is, the £10m written off by Black and co which only seemed to bail out the club's day to day expenses would have paid for both end stands to have been replaced (possibly even buying up a few houses on Shrivvy Road to make a new Bank possible).

Then we'd be in a position to take advantage of good seasons, good cup draws or even just to give tickets to kids to get them hooked. As it is, even if we do get promoted, we'll only average 10-11,000 next season because the ground isn't upto FLC standards.

I read somewhere that it took Reading 10 years to build up their fanbase to the level it's at now. Maybe the Town need to think a bit more long-term instead of just thinking promotion = bigger gates?
[quote][p][bold]madterrier[/bold] wrote: £250,000 a month may be just the players' wages. The £4 or £4.2m could be the total budget of running the club - administrative costs, bank interest and salaries for the rest of the staff. Not sure where PDC and his team's salaries fit into those numbers. The top paid players at the club cannot be on more than £3-4,000 a week. I don't see any way of making money out of the club at present, on current attendances. Even if we owned the CG, it would require a significant investment, and a new stadium even more so. With the whole country bankrupt I don't see too many new property projects being initiated right now, unless you happen to work in the railways (Crossrail, HS2). Maybe we should become a railway town?? Oh hang on, wait.....[/p][/quote]The depressing thing is, the £10m written off by Black and co which only seemed to bail out the club's day to day expenses would have paid for both end stands to have been replaced (possibly even buying up a few houses on Shrivvy Road to make a new Bank possible). Then we'd be in a position to take advantage of good seasons, good cup draws or even just to give tickets to kids to get them hooked. As it is, even if we do get promoted, we'll only average 10-11,000 next season because the ground isn't upto FLC standards. I read somewhere that it took Reading 10 years to build up their fanbase to the level it's at now. Maybe the Town need to think a bit more long-term instead of just thinking promotion = bigger gates? Jeremy Hilary Boob

11:37pm Tue 5 Feb 13

madterrier says...

David Syrett... I doubt very much if Ritchie was on anything like £10,000 a week. Probably one-third of that, improving on which might also have helped him make his decision to leave. I think the top wage at the CG is no more than £4,000 a week.
David Syrett... I doubt very much if Ritchie was on anything like £10,000 a week. Probably one-third of that, improving on which might also have helped him make his decision to leave. I think the top wage at the CG is no more than £4,000 a week. madterrier

11:57pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Davidsyrett says...

madterrier wrote:
David Syrett... I doubt very much if Ritchie was on anything like £10,000 a week. Probably one-third of that, improving on which might also have helped him make his decision to leave. I think the top wage at the CG is no more than £4,000 a week.
The monthly wage bill is £250K, the top earners are on far more than £4K. I would imagine one of the reasons Ritchie was let go was because of his wages. The Daily Mirror are running a story tomorrow saying PdC is to be sacked because of his excessive wages, Hope this isn't true but no smoke without fire
[quote][p][bold]madterrier[/bold] wrote: David Syrett... I doubt very much if Ritchie was on anything like £10,000 a week. Probably one-third of that, improving on which might also have helped him make his decision to leave. I think the top wage at the CG is no more than £4,000 a week.[/p][/quote]The monthly wage bill is £250K, the top earners are on far more than £4K. I would imagine one of the reasons Ritchie was let go was because of his wages. The Daily Mirror are running a story tomorrow saying PdC is to be sacked because of his excessive wages, Hope this isn't true but no smoke without fire Davidsyrett

12:00am Wed 6 Feb 13

eddyxx says...

super reds wrote:
eddyxx wrote:
interesting thought on why any of the recent consortiums have got involved, most certainly not for football reasons and probably a get rich scheme based on ground development but for certain black and his crew have without doubt saved the club and come close to delivering championship football within 5 years. Maybe we can dream but reality is without them we are down the pan.
Never thought of that Edd, Thinking about it now, I would imagine ground development is on the cards to try & maximise any investment. London Red is fairly hot on the figures on what we would likely make should we be fortunate to make the championship next season, not chicken feed but they would possibly want more & coupled with ground development which has been on the agenda then off it more times than I can remember over the last few years it might look a tempting proposition, like you said, why would someone want to take on what is at the moment a loss making business if there wasn't some other way of making a few quid. A prime example is Madjeski, he developed the Mad Stad around the football club & has, if I'm honest, top quality facilities all round & although he no longer has big interest in Reading he still owns the hotel & conference facilities which make him a few bob.
Yeah just a thought, the club has not expanded, teams we played at champ level on a regular basis like Leicester and middlesboro for eg build new grounds and seem to be established at champ level. We stayed at the cg and regardless of the Lou macari and ardiles and hoddle era even the prem era we did not consistently sell out the ground. It's obvious unless you have an abramovich type backer then gate receipts alone will not balance the books if you have a consortium based ownership. What was in it for Martin Abbib ? Certainly not a town fan but he invested for a reason, these are business men and speculators they take risks. It was blatantly obvious as history already suggested the club is non profitable on gate receipts alone. So the only interest is ground build and profit from that. Getting to the championship for black means a whole new level of investment and shame on dicanio for actually looking like he could get us there and making it look like he's gotta stick his hand in his pocket.
[quote][p][bold]super reds[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eddyxx[/bold] wrote: interesting thought on why any of the recent consortiums have got involved, most certainly not for football reasons and probably a get rich scheme based on ground development but for certain black and his crew have without doubt saved the club and come close to delivering championship football within 5 years. Maybe we can dream but reality is without them we are down the pan.[/p][/quote]Never thought of that Edd, Thinking about it now, I would imagine ground development is on the cards to try & maximise any investment. London Red is fairly hot on the figures on what we would likely make should we be fortunate to make the championship next season, not chicken feed but they would possibly want more & coupled with ground development which has been on the agenda then off it more times than I can remember over the last few years it might look a tempting proposition, like you said, why would someone want to take on what is at the moment a loss making business if there wasn't some other way of making a few quid. A prime example is Madjeski, he developed the Mad Stad around the football club & has, if I'm honest, top quality facilities all round & although he no longer has big interest in Reading he still owns the hotel & conference facilities which make him a few bob.[/p][/quote]Yeah just a thought, the club has not expanded, teams we played at champ level on a regular basis like Leicester and middlesboro for eg build new grounds and seem to be established at champ level. We stayed at the cg and regardless of the Lou macari and ardiles and hoddle era even the prem era we did not consistently sell out the ground. It's obvious unless you have an abramovich type backer then gate receipts alone will not balance the books if you have a consortium based ownership. What was in it for Martin Abbib ? Certainly not a town fan but he invested for a reason, these are business men and speculators they take risks. It was blatantly obvious as history already suggested the club is non profitable on gate receipts alone. So the only interest is ground build and profit from that. Getting to the championship for black means a whole new level of investment and shame on dicanio for actually looking like he could get us there and making it look like he's gotta stick his hand in his pocket. eddyxx

7:19am Wed 6 Feb 13

Jeremy Hilary Boob says...

Davidsyrett wrote:
madterrier wrote:
David Syrett... I doubt very much if Ritchie was on anything like £10,000 a week. Probably one-third of that, improving on which might also have helped him make his decision to leave. I think the top wage at the CG is no more than £4,000 a week.
The monthly wage bill is £250K, the top earners are on far more than £4K. I would imagine one of the reasons Ritchie was let go was because of his wages. The Daily Mirror are running a story tomorrow saying PdC is to be sacked because of his excessive wages, Hope this isn't true but no smoke without fire
I doubt they'd sack him because they'd have to pay up his contract anyway. Plus those of all his staff.

What I do expect is a pullback on the spending, both in terms of players' wages and agents' fees, plus an to the "buy, try, goodbye" transfer policy.

Unfortunately in trying to dictate publicly to the new board, all Di Canio has done is play to those fans who automatically think he's a god and that any board are in the wrong. Whether or not he stays, that's not very helpful.
[quote][p][bold]Davidsyrett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]madterrier[/bold] wrote: David Syrett... I doubt very much if Ritchie was on anything like £10,000 a week. Probably one-third of that, improving on which might also have helped him make his decision to leave. I think the top wage at the CG is no more than £4,000 a week.[/p][/quote]The monthly wage bill is £250K, the top earners are on far more than £4K. I would imagine one of the reasons Ritchie was let go was because of his wages. The Daily Mirror are running a story tomorrow saying PdC is to be sacked because of his excessive wages, Hope this isn't true but no smoke without fire[/p][/quote]I doubt they'd sack him because they'd have to pay up his contract anyway. Plus those of all his staff. What I do expect is a pullback on the spending, both in terms of players' wages and agents' fees, plus an to the "buy, try, goodbye" transfer policy. Unfortunately in trying to dictate publicly to the new board, all Di Canio has done is play to those fans who automatically think he's a god and that any board are in the wrong. Whether or not he stays, that's not very helpful. Jeremy Hilary Boob

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