MacDonald prepared for life without loans (From Swindon Advertiser)

Scribblemilk wrote:
This is a joke, not only is this ruining what was a great season, but potentially it is ruining next season as well. If we lose our out of contract players in the summer, it will be down to the jokers in the board room. How can we go from being run so well to so badly in such a short time period. I want answers, and if its got anything to do with not paying up the old back room teams wages then i'm gonna be livid. It feels like we have been strung along with promises of loan players with no intentions what so ever.

Brojackson70 wrote:
I'm sorry to say but if the fans of this great club want answers they are not going to get them from Sam Morshead!... This bloke is not a journalist in any sense of the word and just reports everything he is told by a board who are clearly blagging him! and it also seems its all done through either his mobile phone or laptop, ... rather than investigating what has been going on at the club for the last 6 weeks he relies on tweets and the odd phone call to his mobile, transfer deadline day for example we all got great information on domino's pizza vouchers...but come 10pm he had made several calls to the club without any answers as to why we hadn't signed our targets that had even had medicals with the club!! why was he not there at the county ground in peoples faces finding out what was going on?...personally i don't give a toss about Domio's pizza but i DO care about the state of our club....its high time Sam shut down his laptop, turned off his mobile and stopped believing everything this shabby board tells him, pick up a note pad and a pencil from WH Smiths and get out in your car or even on your pushbike, leave the safety of your bedroom or your office and find out what the hell is going on!!! As i believe you owe the fans of this club at least this in your role as a journalist of our local paper!... I am in no way blaming Sam for any of this mess, but i am blaming him for us still being in the dark 6 weeks in..... I'm sorry but good enough Adver, not good enough Sam.

Brojackson70 wrote:
I'm sorry to say but if the fans of this great club want answers they are not going to get them from Sam Morshead!... This bloke is not a journalist in any sense of the word and just reports everything he is told by a board who are clearly blagging him! and it also seems its all done through either his mobile phone or laptop, ... rather than investigating what has been going on at the club for the last 6 weeks he relies on tweets and the odd phone call to his mobile, transfer deadline day for example we all got great information on domino's pizza vouchers...but come 10pm he had made several calls to the club without any answers as to why we hadn't signed our targets that had even had medicals with the club!! why was he not there at the county ground in peoples faces finding out what was going on?...personally i don't give a toss about Domio's pizza but i DO care about the state of our club....its high time Sam shut down his laptop, turned off his mobile and stopped believing everything this shabby board tells him, pick up a note pad and a pencil from WH Smiths and get out in your car or even on your pushbike, leave the safety of your bedroom or your office and find out what the hell is going on!!! As i believe you owe the fans of this club at least this in your role as a journalist of our local paper!... I am in no way blaming Sam for any of this mess, but i am blaming him for us still being in the dark 6 weeks in..... I'm sorry but good enough Adver, not good enough Sam.

peatmoor pirate wrote:

Brojackson70 wrote:
I'm sorry to say but if the fans of this great club want answers they are not going to get them from Sam Morshead!... This bloke is not a journalist in any sense of the word and just reports everything he is told by a board who are clearly blagging him! and it also seems its all done through either his mobile phone or laptop, ... rather than investigating what has been going on at the club for the last 6 weeks he relies on tweets and the odd phone call to his mobile, transfer deadline day for example we all got great information on domino's pizza vouchers...but come 10pm he had made several calls to the club without any answers as to why we hadn't signed our targets that had even had medicals with the club!! why was he not there at the county ground in peoples faces finding out what was going on?...personally i don't give a toss about Domio's pizza but i DO care about the state of our club....its high time Sam shut down his laptop, turned off his mobile and stopped believing everything this shabby board tells him, pick up a note pad and a pencil from WH Smiths and get out in your car or even on your pushbike, leave the safety of your bedroom or your office and find out what the hell is going on!!! As i believe you owe the fans of this club at least this in your role as a journalist of our local paper!... I am in no way blaming Sam for any of this mess, but i am blaming him for us still being in the dark 6 weeks in..... I'm sorry but good enough Adver, not good enough Sam.

Precisely what "investigating" do you expect Sam to do? If the club won't tell him anything then what do you expect him to do, break in and rifle through the paperwork? This is why papers make rubbish up, because of this constant deman for information that is not available. Think your analysis is very unfair on Sam; as I have said before, he is a sports journo, not an investigative journalist. There is a difference. Even the best national sportswriters are predominantly opinion piece writers, not reporters as such, and this is something Sam has done very well in my opinion in recent months. I think your comments are therefore very unfair on Sam. Everyone is frustrated at the moment but lashing out at a reporter is a bit unnecessary.

Lazaat wrote:
Be careful what you say lads as we will have the self righteous brigade on our backs calling us moaners and not "real" Town fans LOL.

What is making all this worse is the non communication with the fans about what exactly the problem is in lifting the embargo! It is all getting very silly now and if it wasn't so serious we would have to laugh at all this? I have personally accepted we can't go up this season as our current players are jaded and our squad probably isn't quite good enough! What I am more worried about is our shortly to be out of contract players and what the clubs long term future is.

Finally, I feel very sorry for KM, this must be a shock to him but he is soldering on as best he can with quiet dignity, he doesn't deserve this and neither do the fans.

The poster above who questioned Sams reporting has a point, none of this mess is your fault Sam but we would expect more rigorous reporting from you on this? Having said all this I still hope against hope that our current squad can go on a run in the face of adversity and gain promotion this season.

gibbo1012 wrote:
What the hell is going on something doesn't quite seem right !

We need new players and fast any more injuries and we have blown our chances of promotion.

The embargo was being resolved everyday for the last two weeks !!

What we also need to bear in mind is we have seven players out of contract in a couple of months whose agents will be talking elsewhere very soon !

Easily our best chance for back to back promotions and we seem very close to throwing this all away

Last step wrote:
Hang on, few days ago we had 4 loan players 'lined up', and now we're being told we've not even contacted their clubs?!!!!!!!

Eh?

smirg kcab wrote:
STOP MOANING You won't believe me will you??????? Not proud to be right. Just don't renew your season tickets. Why was kmac employed, because 1- he was cheap 2- he has no ambition 3- he is a yes man 4- to chuck the league away 5 - because he better than Paolo lol 6- he knew the embargo would still be in place 7- he folds his arms Why was the board picked 1- they had a spare pound 2- a black wanted it done ASAP 3- they could employ a cheap manager 4- they can say nothing to the people that care 5- they think the editor is a joke 6- they don't want promotion 7- they can sell the assets 8- we will be in administration this time next year 9-they fancy Cheryl and the other dog 10- Paolo will sue 11- picaretta case will also go to higher places. 12 most swindle fans believe in them Onwards and upwards Just for the sake of paying an interim manager and co. Was going tonight but they can stick it right up SAMs arse sideways

35 year fan wrote:

Last step wrote:
Hang on, few days ago we had 4 loan players 'lined up', and now we're being told we've not even contacted their clubs?!!!!!!!

Eh?

exatly, this story about players having been lined up to sign as soon as the embargo is lifted (even naming names) has been repeated pretty much daily in here, again today, then further down the article the manager is quoted as saying "we havent made any enquiries".

mr morshead i see two conflicting statements here in the same article. would you like to comment?

mustard red wrote:
Fair play to Kevin MacDonald for not throwing his toys out of the pram; for not setting unrealistic ultimatums; and for getting on with his job.

gibbo1012 wrote:
What the hell is going on something doesn't quite seem right !

We need new players and fast any more injuries and we have blown our chances of promotion.

The embargo was being resolved everyday for the last two weeks !!

What we also need to bear in mind is we have seven players out of contract in a couple of months whose agents will be talking elsewhere very soon !

Easily our best chance for back to back promotions and we seem very close to throwing this all away

greenml wrote:
yep. No loans. Something must be wrong with the deal. Such a shame as we could have got automatic.

Saint Paulo did a bit of a Redknapp and spent what the owner said we had.

Without actually buying any good players. Bostock why?

Personally I don't understand why we can't manage within our means. Our crowds are still better than many premiership clubs.

Its a real shame.

Wiltshireman wrote:
For gods sake this was the doing of the previous board. What have they hidden.

Sometimes it can take a while for these things to come to light and sometimes it will only show with a forensic examination.

Be thankful that it has been found by the current board before STFC have won promotion and again relegated for wrong doing.

This time it could well have been from the football league altogether

Stop moaning and let the board get on with it, they have only been in power for less than a month

Chish and Fips wrote:

Brojackson70 wrote:
I'm sorry to say but if the fans of this great club want answers they are not going to get them from Sam Morshead!... This bloke is not a journalist in any sense of the word and just reports everything he is told by a board who are clearly blagging him! and it also seems its all done through either his mobile phone or laptop, ... rather than investigating what has been going on at the club for the last 6 weeks he relies on tweets and the odd phone call to his mobile, transfer deadline day for example we all got great information on domino's pizza vouchers...but come 10pm he had made several calls to the club without any answers as to why we hadn't signed our targets that had even had medicals with the club!! why was he not there at the county ground in peoples faces finding out what was going on?...personally i don't give a toss about Domio's pizza but i DO care about the state of our club....its high time Sam shut down his laptop, turned off his mobile and stopped believing everything this shabby board tells him, pick up a note pad and a pencil from WH Smiths and get out in your car or even on your pushbike, leave the safety of your bedroom or your office and find out what the hell is going on!!! As i believe you owe the fans of this club at least this in your role as a journalist of our local paper!... I am in no way blaming Sam for any of this mess, but i am blaming him for us still being in the dark 6 weeks in..... I'm sorry but good enough Adver, not good enough Sam.

Some very unfair and personal comments there - can understand your frustration but the guy can only do so much, if STFC doesn't say what is going on with their 'closed shop' attitude on the embargo, how is he expected report on nothing.
If he ' speculates' he gets slated on here - a no win situation for Sam/Adver.

redjet wrote:

Chish and Fips wrote:

Brojackson70 wrote:
I'm sorry to say but if the fans of this great club want answers they are not going to get them from Sam Morshead!... This bloke is not a journalist in any sense of the word and just reports everything he is told by a board who are clearly blagging him! and it also seems its all done through either his mobile phone or laptop, ... rather than investigating what has been going on at the club for the last 6 weeks he relies on tweets and the odd phone call to his mobile, transfer deadline day for example we all got great information on domino's pizza vouchers...but come 10pm he had made several calls to the club without any answers as to why we hadn't signed our targets that had even had medicals with the club!! why was he not there at the county ground in peoples faces finding out what was going on?...personally i don't give a toss about Domio's pizza but i DO care about the state of our club....its high time Sam shut down his laptop, turned off his mobile and stopped believing everything this shabby board tells him, pick up a note pad and a pencil from WH Smiths and get out in your car or even on your pushbike, leave the safety of your bedroom or your office and find out what the hell is going on!!! As i believe you owe the fans of this club at least this in your role as a journalist of our local paper!... I am in no way blaming Sam for any of this mess, but i am blaming him for us still being in the dark 6 weeks in..... I'm sorry but good enough Adver, not good enough Sam.

Some very unfair and personal comments there - can understand your frustration but the guy can only do so much, if STFC doesn't say what is going on with their 'closed shop' attitude on the embargo, how is he expected report on nothing.
If he ' speculates' he gets slated on here - a no win situation for Sam/Adver.

Sam needs to learn how to rattle cages and not be fearful tyhat if he does they wont talk to him anymore. the fact is Sam as journalist holds al,l the power but he either dosent realise it or the management at the Adver wont let him use it. but it is rubbish reporting who evers fault it is. Just one example would be " The Footbal League refused to comment on the situation" but have the Football league been aproached on this matter?

Highworth red wrote:
Oh I forgot....... 4-get off Sams back, he does the best he can with what information he is given.

John Young's Grumpy wrote:
PS. Louis post - can't be him surely - unless he's discovered 'uppers' ;-)

redjet wrote:

Chish and Fips wrote:

Brojackson70 wrote:
I'm sorry to say but if the fans of this great club want answers they are not going to get them from Sam Morshead!... This bloke is not a journalist in any sense of the word and just reports everything he is told by a board who are clearly blagging him! and it also seems its all done through either his mobile phone or laptop, ... rather than investigating what has been going on at the club for the last 6 weeks he relies on tweets and the odd phone call to his mobile, transfer deadline day for example we all got great information on domino's pizza vouchers...but come 10pm he had made several calls to the club without any answers as to why we hadn't signed our targets that had even had medicals with the club!! why was he not there at the county ground in peoples faces finding out what was going on?...personally i don't give a toss about Domio's pizza but i DO care about the state of our club....its high time Sam shut down his laptop, turned off his mobile and stopped believing everything this shabby board tells him, pick up a note pad and a pencil from WH Smiths and get out in your car or even on your pushbike, leave the safety of your bedroom or your office and find out what the hell is going on!!! As i believe you owe the fans of this club at least this in your role as a journalist of our local paper!... I am in no way blaming Sam for any of this mess, but i am blaming him for us still being in the dark 6 weeks in..... I'm sorry but good enough Adver, not good enough Sam.

Some very unfair and personal comments there - can understand your frustration but the guy can only do so much, if STFC doesn't say what is going on with their 'closed shop' attitude on the embargo, how is he expected report on nothing.
If he ' speculates' he gets slated on here - a no win situation for Sam/Adver.

Sam needs to learn how to rattle cages and not be fearful tyhat if he does they wont talk to him anymore. the fact is Sam as journalist holds al,l the power but he either dosent realise it or the management at the Adver wont let him use it. but it is rubbish reporting who evers fault it is. Just one example would be " The Footbal League refused to comment on the situation" but have the Football league been aproached on this matter?

Wonder Strike wrote:
I had a feeling the comments would explode on this one. End of the day we still have a club and are in a great position. The squad we have is good enough to promoted IF we can keep all them fit.

People on this site have no patience at all. How do you cope with your day to day lives?

louiscassius wrote:

John Young's Grumpy wrote:
PS. Louis post - can't be him surely - unless he's discovered 'uppers' ;-)

Well, i'm away at the Mo, and havent had a drink in 2 weeks lol.

It was killing me on here; then i suddenly remembered all the things we've been through, not just in the past but this season alone in Jan.

Jesus, i'm so thankful we're still here and have a great ground. Made me feel proud and happy.

So, in turn i wished to pass that to my fellow fans and say hey you guys...

Its all gonna be just fine, give it a little time.....

Forget the badness and bittness from Jan, it'll all come good in the end.....

Like i said:

Swindon 4 - Yeovil 1...

Put a fiver on it !!

The winnings will give you and ya mrs a good drink at the weekend.....

COYR'sss


Louis :-)))

dreamofacleansheet2 wrote:
I suggest we all write to the football league, or ring them and ask them to make a statement.

If we can't get one from the board surely some serious fan pressure may get an answer from elsewhere.

I'd also look to enlist Pompey fans who no doubt will assist (as true fans going through a nightmare)....

Brojackson70 wrote:

redjet wrote:

Chish and Fips wrote:

Brojackson70 wrote:
I'm sorry to say but if the fans of this great club want answers they are not going to get them from Sam Morshead!... This bloke is not a journalist in any sense of the word and just reports everything he is told by a board who are clearly blagging him! and it also seems its all done through either his mobile phone or laptop, ... rather than investigating what has been going on at the club for the last 6 weeks he relies on tweets and the odd phone call to his mobile, transfer deadline day for example we all got great information on domino's pizza vouchers...but come 10pm he had made several calls to the club without any answers as to why we hadn't signed our targets that had even had medicals with the club!! why was he not there at the county ground in peoples faces finding out what was going on?...personally i don't give a toss about Domio's pizza but i DO care about the state of our club....its high time Sam shut down his laptop, turned off his mobile and stopped believing everything this shabby board tells him, pick up a note pad and a pencil from WH Smiths and get out in your car or even on your pushbike, leave the safety of your bedroom or your office and find out what the hell is going on!!! As i believe you owe the fans of this club at least this in your role as a journalist of our local paper!... I am in no way blaming Sam for any of this mess, but i am blaming him for us still being in the dark 6 weeks in..... I'm sorry but good enough Adver, not good enough Sam.

Some very unfair and personal comments there - can understand your frustration but the guy can only do so much, if STFC doesn't say what is going on with their 'closed shop' attitude on the embargo, how is he expected report on nothing.
If he ' speculates' he gets slated on here - a no win situation for Sam/Adver.

Sam needs to learn how to rattle cages and not be fearful tyhat if he does they wont talk to him anymore. the fact is Sam as journalist holds al,l the power but he either dosent realise it or the management at the Adver wont let him use it. but it is rubbish reporting who evers fault it is. Just one example would be " The Footbal League refused to comment on the situation" but have the Football league been aproached on this matter?

Well said and this is my point exactly...The club needs the paper it is its lifeline to the community and Sam needs to realise just what power he has ...put an embargo (word of the month), on STFC and report nothing apart from games that have been watched and need reporting on until we have hard facts and honesty from this board...i would rather read about grass roots stuff than the same old B/S**t day in day out, the club will soon change their approach...most fans read on here rather than buy the paper anyway so what does it matter if this nonsense goes to print anyway!! I personally feel that its better for the fans if the local rags journo has no affection for the club anyway but that's a whole different debate

Highworth red wrote:
What is wrong with you lot, you're like a bunch of moaning old women.

1-Kev Mac is a great appointment, and yes I do prefer him to that Italian.

2-We are in a great position in the league, what more do you want.

3-This squad of players has got us into this position. We might be a little frustrated at having no new faces, but the squad are happy that non have arrived, it means that some spotty kid is not going to push them out of the starting 11. I have faith in Kev and this squad, and so should all of you.

aturner289 wrote:
Just hope we get a win tonight and bang in some goals and keep a clean sheet, otherwise i can see are season being over and town dropping down the table. COYR.

Fozzystfc wrote:
Sam Morshead on Twitter

:Gregory Hall, who was made a director of Seebeck 87 Ltd - the #stfc holding company - on Friday, was at the County Ground yesterday. I have asked the club to officially define his role. Hopefully we'll get something from them today.

the wizard wrote:
With the Ritchie money all gone it seems we are back in Embargo on the 65% rule. As Jeds budget is similar to Blacks an extra injection of cash is needed. With S/T sales now not as possibly quick as the new board hoped for they have hit a snag with the FL.
Not exactly The Advers fault nor Sams. Its very apparent that the club is keeping tight lipped as probably many employees there are as much in the dark to the problem as the rest, but it does seem financial. So Jed it is down to you to either clear up the mess or reveal the problem, but keeping the fan base in the dark is not the way to go.

billbst wrote:

dreamofacleansheet2 wrote:
I suggest we all write to the football league, or ring them and ask them to make a statement.

If we can't get one from the board surely some serious fan pressure may get an answer from elsewhere.

I'd also look to enlist Pompey fans who no doubt will assist (as true fans going through a nightmare)....

Dreamo Some of us have already done this. There is a standard reply which says "it is a long standing policy not to comment on indvidual cases." Tried asking them how an embargo gets lifted and who makes the decision. - No answer. "They are the League they do what they want."

Chish and Fips wrote:

35 year fan wrote:

Last step wrote: Hang on, few days ago we had 4 loan players 'lined up', and now we're being told we've not even contacted their clubs?!!!!!!! Eh?

exatly, this story about players having been lined up to sign as soon as the embargo is lifted (even naming names) has been repeated pretty much daily in here, again today, then further down the article the manager is quoted as saying "we havent made any enquiries". mr morshead i see two conflicting statements here in the same article. would you like to comment?

Does sound a bit confusing agreed - but personally I'm more concerned what is going on with embargo, picking up on who we are or are not signing is just a bit pointless.

Davidsyrett wrote:

Wonder Strike wrote:
I had a feeling the comments would explode on this one. End of the day we still have a club and are in a great position. The squad we have is good enough to promoted IF we can keep all them fit.

People on this site have no patience at all. How do you cope with your day to day lives?

well said, We got a club to support, don't really care when the embargo's lifted as long as I can watch my local team every week.

Have no worries about the board, their just clearing up the mess the last board left us in.

COYR

Stilloyal wrote:
Even I am becoming concerned and anxious.
I've been saying for the last month that we are not going anywhere this season. Now I believe next season will be a struggle.
I believe that the embargo will stay in place until at least the end of the season which will give us massive challenges for next term. I hate to think that we could be in a situation like Pompey or Accrington find themselves.
As I said last week , the club need to make a statement , an honest and truthful statement . Maybe they don't want to do this for fear of affecting S/T sales, but the way I see it is damned if they do, damned if they don't. I'm not saying we're fcuked but we could be.

Finally we should lay off Sam, he is the only line of communication we have at present and he can only report what he knows. If he probes too much he may upset the board and be banned from reporting on the club like the Adver were about 30 odd years ago.
It's nice to have information and know whats going on but sometimes it's best not to have too much info, is this one of those times ?

Wiltshireman wrote:
35 year fan says...
10:01am Tue 19 Mar 13

Quote "Bill, the League gave me a very strong hint yesterday that the club has not met its obligation to provide financial information. The logical implication of that is the embargo gets lifted when the information has been provided.”
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As the Football League have the standard reply of "we cannot discuss individual cases" how come you can get this "Awesome" reply. If this is the case and they have discussed or informed you of this then the Football League would be in breach of the Information Commissioners Office and the DPA 1998 and would be in serious trouble.

Maybe it is just made up in your silly little brain to wind people up.

Oi Den! wrote:

Wiltshireman wrote:
35 year fan says...
10:01am Tue 19 Mar 13

Quote "Bill, the League gave me a very strong hint yesterday that the club has not met its obligation to provide financial information. The logical implication of that is the embargo gets lifted when the information has been provided.”
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As the Football League have the standard reply of "we cannot discuss individual cases" how come you can get this "Awesome" reply. If this is the case and they have discussed or informed you of this then the Football League would be in breach of the Information Commissioners Office and the DPA 1998 and would be in serious trouble.

Maybe it is just made up in your silly little brain to wind people up.

Go easy on the insults. I have said exactly what happened. The Football League did not discuss our case with me. They directed me to a part of their regulations that led me to draw my own conclusion. You don't have to take any notice of it. Perhaps it will transpire that my conclusion is wrong. And who said anything about "awesome"?

I never respond in kind to personal abuse on here but I'm very tempted to make an exception.

Wiltshireman wrote:
35 year fan says... 10:01am Tue 19 Mar 13 Quote "Bill, the League gave me a very strong hint yesterday that the club has not met its obligation to provide financial information. The logical implication of that is the embargo gets lifted when the information has been provided.” -------------------- -------------------- --- As the Football League have the standard reply of "we cannot discuss individual cases" how come you can get this "Awesome" reply. If this is the case and they have discussed or informed you of this then the Football League would be in breach of the Information Commissioners Office and the DPA 1998 and would be in serious trouble. Maybe it is just made up in your silly little brain to wind people up.

Guv wrote:
The club is currently in lot's of debt, Mr Black sold the club for £1 but with debts, he walked away with quiet a lot of debt, Fitton for example, he didn't agree to forgetting his debt within the club, there are still outstanding debts to other clubs from ticket sales and quiet a chunk of debt to players we had on loan.

The owners borrowed to buy this club and are still on the look out for more investors, the club will have to free up players in the summer thats for sure!

My biggest fear is that whilst all this is going on some of our players out of contract will walk away for free in the Summer, why would anyone want to stay with an uncertain board in place?

The club are still considering Administration to help control these debts, obviously, the penalty in doing this can be more serious than just points, if they can do this with a 30 point deduction, then believe me they will consider this an option.

If it means demotion then they will probably try to keep reshuffling debts.

The embargo will not be sorted this season, that's why PDC had to walk away, he met with the new owners and made the decision.

The biggest joke is when they made a statement saying they had the same financial clout as the previous board, total lie, they borrowed from a certain Mr Black to buy this club, this club has gone back to the mess of the late 90s early 00s.

Jed hasn't brought this club for a long term investment, my opinion is black lends jed the money, jed then looks to restructure the club and sell on for a profit... Points and Demotion are still very likely to happen as Jed has massive cash flow problems.

Robinonfire wrote:
Greg Halls fruit and veg stall in Peckham market.

EastleazeRed wrote:
Pot to pi$$ in , and all that ?

southside7 wrote:

mustard red wrote:
Fair play to Kevin MacDonald for not throwing his toys out of the pram; for not setting unrealistic ultimatums; and for getting on with his job.

I second that.

Boston Red wrote:
The criticism of Sam is unfair. He'll know a lot more than he's able to print at the moment and there's a limit to what one man in his position can do.

It would be great if as an many fans as possible, especially those expressing concern, could attend the AGM of the Swindon Town Supporters Trust next Wednesday (27 March) at the GW Hotel, Station Road at 18:30.

The Trust wants to represent the views of as many fans as possible as accurately as possible. There's more info here:

http://www.truststfc

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STFC is everyone's club and the louder a voice the Trust can speak with, the better.

See you there.

the wizard wrote:
With the Ritchie money all gone it seems we are back in Embargo on the 65% rule. As Jeds budget is similar to Blacks an extra injection of cash is needed. With S/T sales now not as possibly quick as the new board hoped for they have hit a snag with the FL.
Not exactly The Advers fault nor Sams. Its very apparent that the club is keeping tight lipped as probably many employees there are as much in the dark to the problem as the rest, but it does seem financial. So Jed it is down to you to either clear up the mess or reveal the problem, but keeping the fan base in the dark is not the way to go.

sagadude wrote:
my typo's LOL

"Your asking for answers that maybe the club are not allowed to reveal as they are confidentail with the fottball league"

I have turned into a german!

LeGod wrote:
1. players contracts up in the summer will be offered but a lot less and they will leave.

2. The board dont want championship football its all smoking mirrors all the talk.

3. Players for next season will be based on youth which is why we have KM as manager.

4. next season will be a struggle in L1.

5. As much as i hate to say it this is what will happen and for all you fans who still think its all rosy in the garden you need to wake up and smell the coffee as we are being led right down the garden path.

madterrier wrote:
Den - you're a valued poster on here and doing the kind of investigations that a journalist should. I've never heard of 'Wiltshireman' before, there's been a lot of new posters appearing on this site the past couple of months.

The reasons why the Football League are still enforcing an embargo might include:

1. Monies owed to third parties, e.g. Picaretta, Shrewsbury (the new owners say they have been paid)

2. The £1.2 million that the Football League have said must be ring-fenced. This is a new-ish development. The Premier League chairmen have agreed (by a majority, not unanimously) from NEXT season that any annual losses of over £5 million will have to be secured against the owners' own assets. I had not realised the Football League had unilaterally and immediately brought in a similar thing in League 1, and even then, putting up a bond in advance and ring-fencing it is even more onerous (the new owners said that they didn't have this money in 'loose change' but also that now this was not the issue?).

3. Some financial submissions required as part of the takeover have not been submitted, i.e. the club's operating books and details of the takeover, handover of assets, debts etc. (I would have thought this unlikely as otherwise the takeover would not have gone through, surely?)

4. The income and expenditure declarations that the Football League use in its calculation of the wage cap. (I'm not sure how they calculate it, but this seems far more likely).

If the latter, which would be my bet, then it doesn't sound like the books were handed over in too good a state, with more holes in them than a Swiss cheese.

John Young's Grumpy wrote:
Somewhat surprised and bemused by the tone of many posters. Being a Swindon Town Fan means - all to ften - that we suffer all that has gone beofre and will go on.

For me, becoming a Swindon Town fan was a prolonged courtship based on the fact that my son had become a football fan and wanted to see league football. At the time I was serving at RAF Brize Norton and the two nearest league clubs were Swindon or Oxford United. {Fortunately} He chose Swindon and that, as they say, was that. Bit by bit the Club got under my skin. Now, over 20 years later, I am still making my way to the County Ground every home game and stumping up the cost of a Season Ticket every year.”

So what makes a true Town Fan, the eponymous ‘Robin’? I say that the real Town fan is a creature tied for life to the club he first “fell for” for whatever the reason. As someone once said, it’s a love for your club that will last “longer than any relationship ever made of your own free will”.

As far as life allows, a true Swindon Town fan sees all his club’s home games. It’s accepted that travelling to away games is a struggle but you try and get to a few, especially if it is a new ground not visited before, or it is that classic – a clash of titans, a derby that cries out “War”.

No matter how bad his team get, the Swindon Town fan cannot abandon them. When the team’s incompetence shames him, the fan still cannot leave. When the Board let him down, he still cannot leave. When the Press or Media abuse, misreport or fail to inform, he still clings to his Club like it is his life-line. The Swindon Town fan uses metaphors from drugs (“hooked”) or romantic love (“relationship”, “fell for”). Indeed, some who would hardly dare tell their wives that they love them will happily appear in public singing of their love for their club.

Ideally, the STFC fan is born or lived a local. If moved away they keep looking back, they keep returning “to the scene of the crime of passion”. This gives the fan roots and a sense of belonging. A story along the lines of “There never was any choice. My dad ... took me down to the County Ground to watch the derby match against Oxford … years ago – I was hooked and have been ever since ... My support has been about who we are and where we are from.”

A STFC fan is always there, always loyal. There can be no insinuation of being a “fair weather fan, an allegiance switcher”, who at different times in his life has supported other clubs in other leagues. Oh sure, there can be your “B-Team”, the one you keep an eye because you like them or your best mate supports them, but that is all. Town comes first – it’s in the blood.

So what's my point? Yes we must feel anxoius and worried when we see our Club in whatever state. But we must also feel passion and pride - these are the two emotions best conveyed to the players who we want to get out there and bring home the 3 points. So I urge all STFC Fans to focus on support - the rest will happen...... it always does. Hey, the Club is still here and look at some of the REAL difficulties we have faced and survived.

Perspective needed IMO.

COYR!!!!

Psychedelic Syd wrote:

madterrier wrote:
Den - you're a valued poster on here and doing the kind of investigations that a journalist should. I've never heard of 'Wiltshireman' before, there's been a lot of new posters appearing on this site the past couple of months.

The reasons why the Football League are still enforcing an embargo might include:

1. Monies owed to third parties, e.g. Picaretta, Shrewsbury (the new owners say they have been paid)

2. The £1.2 million that the Football League have said must be ring-fenced. This is a new-ish development. The Premier League chairmen have agreed (by a majority, not unanimously) from NEXT season that any annual losses of over £5 million will have to be secured against the owners' own assets. I had not realised the Football League had unilaterally and immediately brought in a similar thing in League 1, and even then, putting up a bond in advance and ring-fencing it is even more onerous (the new owners said that they didn't have this money in 'loose change' but also that now this was not the issue?).

3. Some financial submissions required as part of the takeover have not been submitted, i.e. the club's operating books and details of the takeover, handover of assets, debts etc. (I would have thought this unlikely as otherwise the takeover would not have gone through, surely?)

4. The income and expenditure declarations that the Football League use in its calculation of the wage cap. (I'm not sure how they calculate it, but this seems far more likely).

If the latter, which would be my bet, then it doesn't sound like the books were handed over in too good a state, with more holes in them than a Swiss cheese.

Good post Madterrier and very informative. It does sound like there is something very smelly in amongst all this - a few cans of worms carefully concealed that have gone past their sell-by date. Very worrying and such bad timing for our club. Whatever is it that can drag on like this and seem impossible to resolve?

On another note I'm very pleased to see Louis Thompson in the Wales squad but I'd be even more pleased to see him making more starts for our first team. He is a class player just like his brother and given the quality of our midfield (Ferry excepted) we could do with him in there to get the ball down and play it on the ground. He is also sharp in the tackle and never stops running. We are too thin on the ground to not have him available tonight. A better option than the others available since losing Hollands who gave us the best Ferry pairing.

Helpme234 wrote:
sagadude says...
11:28am Tue 19 Mar 13

I am dismayed at how thick the critics of the current board are on this forum!.

The board has done their duties and are waiting for the football league to do their duties. What is difficult to understand about that?

Your asking for answers that maybe the club are not allowed to reveal as they are confidentail with the fottball league.

Its called protocol.

Why is promotion so important?. Better to have a football club than end up like Portsmouth or like Aldershot many years ago!.

Glory hunters......not true fans.”


Sagadude, picking up on one of your points "Your asking for answers that maybe the club are not allowed to reveal as they are confidentail with the fottball league.

Its called protocol."

My issue with this is that if the Board are not allowed to disclose confidential information ....why did a board Member 2 days ago make a statement saying he was confident the embargo was about to be lifted? Surely better not to guess at this?

Helpme234 wrote:
sagadude says... 11:28am Tue 19 Mar 13 I am dismayed at how thick the critics of the current board are on this forum!. The board has done their duties and are waiting for the football league to do their duties. What is difficult to understand about that? Your asking for answers that maybe the club are not allowed to reveal as they are confidentail with the fottball league. Its called protocol. Why is promotion so important?. Better to have a football club than end up like Portsmouth or like Aldershot many years ago!. Glory hunters......not true fans.” Sagadude, picking up on one of your points "Your asking for answers that maybe the club are not allowed to reveal as they are confidentail with the fottball league. Its called protocol." My issue with this is that if the Board are not allowed to disclose confidential information ....why did a board Member 2 days ago make a statement saying he was confident the embargo was about to be lifted? Surely better not to guess at this?

Since 1950 wrote:

Helpme234 wrote:
sagadude says... 11:28am Tue 19 Mar 13 I am dismayed at how thick the critics of the current board are on this forum!. The board has done their duties and are waiting for the football league to do their duties. What is difficult to understand about that? Your asking for answers that maybe the club are not allowed to reveal as they are confidentail with the fottball league. Its called protocol. Why is promotion so important?. Better to have a football club than end up like Portsmouth or like Aldershot many years ago!. Glory hunters......not true fans.” Sagadude, picking up on one of your points "Your asking for answers that maybe the club are not allowed to reveal as they are confidentail with the fottball league. Its called protocol." My issue with this is that if the Board are not allowed to disclose confidential information ....why did a board Member 2 days ago make a statement saying he was confident the embargo was about to be lifted? Surely better not to guess at this?

You know what Helpme234. It's people like you on this 'forum' that **** me off big time. If some ask questions about what the hell is going on at SN1 then immediately we're labeled by you as "thick", "not true fans" and "glory hunters". What a load of b******s.

You say "the board has done their duties". Obviously not or we wouldn't STILL be in an Embargo. "Thick" or what?

Since 1950 wrote:

Helpme234 wrote:
sagadude says... 11:28am Tue 19 Mar 13 I am dismayed at how thick the critics of the current board are on this forum!. The board has done their duties and are waiting for the football league to do their duties. What is difficult to understand about that? Your asking for answers that maybe the club are not allowed to reveal as they are confidentail with the fottball league. Its called protocol. Why is promotion so important?. Better to have a football club than end up like Portsmouth or like Aldershot many years ago!. Glory hunters......not true fans.” Sagadude, picking up on one of your points "Your asking for answers that maybe the club are not allowed to reveal as they are confidentail with the fottball league. Its called protocol." My issue with this is that if the Board are not allowed to disclose confidential information ....why did a board Member 2 days ago make a statement saying he was confident the embargo was about to be lifted? Surely better not to guess at this?

You know what Helpme234. It's people like you on this 'forum' that **** me off big time. If some ask questions about what the hell is going on at SN1 then immediately we're labeled by you as "thick", "not true fans" and "glory hunters". What a load of b******s.

You say "the board has done their duties". Obviously not or we wouldn't STILL be in an Embargo. "Thick" or what?

Oi Den! wrote:
Here we go again. Cookie says: "The FL are full of old dusty slow men stuck in the dark ages." That's what so many fans want to believe but does anyone have the faintest idea whether it's true or not. My recent experience of the Football League is that they are prompt and courteous in dealing with our questions, and they are as informative as their rules allow. The League's website is attractive and very helpful - certainly not a product of the dark ages.

People complained about the ratification taking so long. Now they complain about the embargo being in place for so long. Has it not occurred to them that the Football League might be trying to safeguard the very existence of the club?

When we eventually enter adeministration again and suffer a massive points penalty, I suppose these same people will be blaming the Football League for allowing the takeover to happen.

I am reminded of the words of the Cheltenham Town chairman, when McCrory and his friends tried to take control there: "You have to be careful, and we were not convinced."
Seems to me that Patey and Watkins were far too easily convinced.

glasred wrote:
Anyway....maybe sky sports will extract some news out of our silent directors!
Will Jed be at the game tonight!
What will KM have to say on TV.?
This could be very interesting...aside from the result on the field!!!

Oi Den! wrote:
Here we go again. Cookie says: "The FL are full of old dusty slow men stuck in the dark ages." That's what so many fans want to believe but does anyone have the faintest idea whether it's true or not. My recent experience of the Football League is that they are prompt and courteous in dealing with our questions, and they are as informative as their rules allow. The League's website is attractive and very helpful - certainly not a product of the dark ages. People complained about the ratification taking so long. Now they complain about the embargo being in place for so long. Has it not occurred to them that the Football League might be trying to safeguard the very existence of the club? When we eventually enter adeministration again and suffer a massive points penalty, I suppose these same people will be blaming the Football League for allowing the takeover to happen. I am reminded of the words of the Cheltenham Town chairman, when McCrory and his friends tried to take control there: "You have to be careful, and we were not convinced." Seems to me that Patey and Watkins were far too easily convinced.

Highworth red wrote:
What is wrong with you lot, you're like a bunch of moaning old women. 1-Kev Mac is a great appointment, and yes I do prefer him to that Italian. 2-We are in a great position in the league, what more do you want. 3-This squad of players has got us into this position. We might be a little frustrated at having no new faces, but the squad are happy that non have arrived, it means that some spotty kid is not going to push them out of the starting 11. I have faith in Kev and this squad, and so should all of you.

Pewsham Red wrote:

Highworth red wrote:
What is wrong with you lot, you're like a bunch of moaning old women. 1-Kev Mac is a great appointment, and yes I do prefer him to that Italian. 2-We are in a great position in the league, what more do you want. 3-This squad of players has got us into this position. We might be a little frustrated at having no new faces, but the squad are happy that non have arrived, it means that some spotty kid is not going to push them out of the starting 11. I have faith in Kev and this squad, and so should all of you.

Really?

1. Absolutely no evidence of this yet.
2. We are, but with new players this could be better.
3. Wrong. This squad plus Matt Ritchie, Danny Hollands, Chris Martin etc etc

Oi Den! wrote:

Davidsyrett wrote:

Wonder Strike wrote:
I had a feeling the comments would explode on this one. End of the day we still have a club and are in a great position. The squad we have is good enough to promoted IF we can keep all them fit.

People on this site have no patience at all. How do you cope with your day to day lives?

well said, We got a club to support, don't really care when the embargo's lifted as long as I can watch my local team every week.

Have no worries about the board, their just clearing up the mess the last board left us in.

COYR

You seem to know a lot about it DS. What is this mess the last board left us in?

There was me thinking the club has just been through a period of five largely successful and exciting years, financed by the previous owners who gave the club about £10m and walked away without wanting it back, leaving us with no debt that can be called in. That sounds to me like a mess that many clubs would like to be left in and many incoming regimes would like to inherit. So could you explain?

I don't believe the club has ever been in better hands than it was with Fitton's consortium and I doubt that it ever will be again. This current lot are not a patch on them. There may be trouble (not too far) ahead...

Med Red wrote:

Oi Den! wrote:
Here we go again. Cookie says: "The FL are full of old dusty slow men stuck in the dark ages." That's what so many fans want to believe but does anyone have the faintest idea whether it's true or not. My recent experience of the Football League is that they are prompt and courteous in dealing with our questions, and they are as informative as their rules allow. The League's website is attractive and very helpful - certainly not a product of the dark ages. People complained about the ratification taking so long. Now they complain about the embargo being in place for so long. Has it not occurred to them that the Football League might be trying to safeguard the very existence of the club? When we eventually enter adeministration again and suffer a massive points penalty, I suppose these same people will be blaming the Football League for allowing the takeover to happen. I am reminded of the words of the Cheltenham Town chairman, when McCrory and his friends tried to take control there: "You have to be careful, and we were not convinced." Seems to me that Patey and Watkins were far too easily convinced.

Another good post Den. I think Patey "sold us down the river" when he sold the club to McCrory. Maybe we should be the grateful to the FL for wanting McCrory and his buddies to stump up £1.2m, as a safeguard, to stop them asset stripping, or running up big debts and then doing a runner.

louiscassius wrote:

Med Red wrote:

Oi Den! wrote:
Here we go again. Cookie says: "The FL are full of old dusty slow men stuck in the dark ages." That's what so many fans want to believe but does anyone have the faintest idea whether it's true or not. My recent experience of the Football League is that they are prompt and courteous in dealing with our questions, and they are as informative as their rules allow. The League's website is attractive and very helpful - certainly not a product of the dark ages. People complained about the ratification taking so long. Now they complain about the embargo being in place for so long. Has it not occurred to them that the Football League might be trying to safeguard the very existence of the club? When we eventually enter adeministration again and suffer a massive points penalty, I suppose these same people will be blaming the Football League for allowing the takeover to happen. I am reminded of the words of the Cheltenham Town chairman, when McCrory and his friends tried to take control there: "You have to be careful, and we were not convinced." Seems to me that Patey and Watkins were far too easily convinced.

Another good post Den. I think Patey "sold us down the river" when he sold the club to McCrory. Maybe we should be the grateful to the FL for wanting McCrory and his buddies to stump up £1.2m, as a safeguard, to stop them asset stripping, or running up big debts and then doing a runner.

I think that too.

I think the 1.2m is just that. To stop him doing one and making a few bob, and i think Jed's in the poo poo cos he didnt see that one coming.

Now, he cant let that outta the bag can he......

So, he now running around trying to muster 1.2m which we all know he aint got.....

ScottLeitch wrote:

Pewsham Red wrote:

Highworth red wrote:
What is wrong with you lot, you're like a bunch of moaning old women. 1-Kev Mac is a great appointment, and yes I do prefer him to that Italian. 2-We are in a great position in the league, what more do you want. 3-This squad of players has got us into this position. We might be a little frustrated at having no new faces, but the squad are happy that non have arrived, it means that some spotty kid is not going to push them out of the starting 11. I have faith in Kev and this squad, and so should all of you.

Really?

1. Absolutely no evidence of this yet.
2. We are, but with new players this could be better.
3. Wrong. This squad plus Matt Ritchie, Danny Hollands, Chris Martin etc etc

On what grounds is KMAC a great appointment?... easily pleased or what.

Davidsyrett wrote:

ScottLeitch wrote:

Pewsham Red wrote:

Highworth red wrote:
What is wrong with you lot, you're like a bunch of moaning old women. 1-Kev Mac is a great appointment, and yes I do prefer him to that Italian. 2-We are in a great position in the league, what more do you want. 3-This squad of players has got us into this position. We might be a little frustrated at having no new faces, but the squad are happy that non have arrived, it means that some spotty kid is not going to push them out of the starting 11. I have faith in Kev and this squad, and so should all of you.

Really?

1. Absolutely no evidence of this yet.
2. We are, but with new players this could be better.
3. Wrong. This squad plus Matt Ritchie, Danny Hollands, Chris Martin etc etc

On what grounds is KMAC a great appointment?... easily pleased or what.

Who would you have appointed then?

Helpme234 wrote:
sagadude says...
11:28am Tue 19 Mar 13

I am dismayed at how thick the critics of the current board are on this forum!.

The board has done their duties and are waiting for the football league to do their duties. What is difficult to understand about that?

Your asking for answers that maybe the club are not allowed to reveal as they are confidentail with the fottball league.

Its called protocol.

Why is promotion so important?. Better to have a football club than end up like Portsmouth or like Aldershot many years ago!.

Glory hunters......not true fans.”


Sagadude, picking up on one of your points "Your asking for answers that maybe the club are not allowed to reveal as they are confidentail with the fottball league.

Its called protocol."

My issue with this is that if the Board are not allowed to disclose confidential information ....why did a board Member 2 days ago make a statement saying he was confident the embargo was about to be lifted? Surely better not to guess at this?

umpcah wrote:

Since 1950 wrote:

Helpme234 wrote: sagadude says... 11:28am Tue 19 Mar 13 I am dismayed at how thick the critics of the current board are on this forum!. The board has done their duties and are waiting for the football league to do their duties. What is difficult to understand about that? Your asking for answers that maybe the club are not allowed to reveal as they are confidentail with the fottball league. Its called protocol. Why is promotion so important?. Better to have a football club than end up like Portsmouth or like Aldershot many years ago!. Glory hunters......not true fans.” Sagadude, picking up on one of your points "Your asking for answers that maybe the club are not allowed to reveal as they are confidentail with the fottball league. Its called protocol." My issue with this is that if the Board are not allowed to disclose confidential information ....why did a board Member 2 days ago make a statement saying he was confident the embargo was about to be lifted? Surely better not to guess at this?

You know what Helpme234. It's people like you on this 'forum' that **** me off big time. If some ask questions about what the hell is going on at SN1 then immediately we're labeled by you as "thick", "not true fans" and "glory hunters". What a load of b******s. You say "the board has done their duties". Obviously not or we wouldn't STILL be in an Embargo. "Thick" or what?

Since 1950 : Surely it`s SAGADUDE who has rattled your cage ?

ScottLeitch wrote:

Davidsyrett wrote:

ScottLeitch wrote:

Pewsham Red wrote:

Highworth red wrote:
What is wrong with you lot, you're like a bunch of moaning old women. 1-Kev Mac is a great appointment, and yes I do prefer him to that Italian. 2-We are in a great position in the league, what more do you want. 3-This squad of players has got us into this position. We might be a little frustrated at having no new faces, but the squad are happy that non have arrived, it means that some spotty kid is not going to push them out of the starting 11. I have faith in Kev and this squad, and so should all of you.

Really?

1. Absolutely no evidence of this yet.
2. We are, but with new players this could be better.
3. Wrong. This squad plus Matt Ritchie, Danny Hollands, Chris Martin etc etc

On what grounds is KMAC a great appointment?... easily pleased or what.

Who would you have appointed then?

A PROVEN manager.

buckobassettboy wrote:
Quel surprise-if anyone read my posts before then you know I speak no lies.All the mealy mouths spouting on here about we gotta give Mac and his employers a chance-Go and do some research about this club-maybe ask Brian Hillier for a potted history.You best wake up boys-the same pile of crap is still here.Chancers aplenty who are a bunch of liars and in my opinion not fit for purpose.Watching the game tonight,praying for a result to temporarily lift gloom over my beloved team.Mac,Jed et all can go and do a large one-don't care if we did go up,you are not for us.Foxtrot Oscar.Over and out

lifelong red wrote:

ScottLeitch wrote:

Davidsyrett wrote:

ScottLeitch wrote:

Pewsham Red wrote:

Highworth red wrote:
What is wrong with you lot, you're like a bunch of moaning old women. 1-Kev Mac is a great appointment, and yes I do prefer him to that Italian. 2-We are in a great position in the league, what more do you want. 3-This squad of players has got us into this position. We might be a little frustrated at having no new faces, but the squad are happy that non have arrived, it means that some spotty kid is not going to push them out of the starting 11. I have faith in Kev and this squad, and so should all of you.

Really?

1. Absolutely no evidence of this yet.
2. We are, but with new players this could be better.
3. Wrong. This squad plus Matt Ritchie, Danny Hollands, Chris Martin etc etc

On what grounds is KMAC a great appointment?... easily pleased or what.

Who would you have appointed then?

A PROVEN manager.

pdc was not a proven manager but had the backing of millions hence why he done well,k.m is not a proven manager and has no flexibility to bring in any new players yet and surely you cant judge k.m until he builds his team and is able to bring in some players.What is evident k.m is a very calm influence and that could just work in our teams favour at such a frustrating time for all at stfc as throwing toys out of the pram is not the way to go.fair play to k mc.

jayden wrote:

buckobassettboy wrote:
Quel surprise-if anyone read my posts before then you know I speak no lies.All the mealy mouths spouting on here about we gotta give Mac and his employers a chance-Go and do some research about this club-maybe ask Brian Hillier for a potted history.You best wake up boys-the same pile of crap is still here.Chancers aplenty who are a bunch of liars and in my opinion not fit for purpose.Watching the game tonight,praying for a result to temporarily lift gloom over my beloved team.Mac,Jed et all can go and do a large one-don't care if we did go up,you are not for us.Foxtrot Oscar.Over and out

I know some are asking a lot of the new board but rasing the dead er.....er.....

ScottLeitch wrote:

Pewsham Red wrote:

Highworth red wrote:
What is wrong with you lot, you're like a bunch of moaning old women. 1-Kev Mac is a great appointment, and yes I do prefer him to that Italian. 2-We are in a great position in the league, what more do you want. 3-This squad of players has got us into this position. We might be a little frustrated at having no new faces, but the squad are happy that non have arrived, it means that some spotty kid is not going to push them out of the starting 11. I have faith in Kev and this squad, and so should all of you.

Really?

1. Absolutely no evidence of this yet.
2. We are, but with new players this could be better.
3. Wrong. This squad plus Matt Ritchie, Danny Hollands, Chris Martin etc etc

On what grounds is KMAC a great appointment?... easily pleased or what.

The Jockster wrote:

jayden wrote:

buckobassettboy wrote:
Quel surprise-if anyone read my posts before then you know I speak no lies.All the mealy mouths spouting on here about we gotta give Mac and his employers a chance-Go and do some research about this club-maybe ask Brian Hillier for a potted history.You best wake up boys-the same pile of crap is still here.Chancers aplenty who are a bunch of liars and in my opinion not fit for purpose.Watching the game tonight,praying for a result to temporarily lift gloom over my beloved team.Mac,Jed et all can go and do a large one-don't care if we did go up,you are not for us.Foxtrot Oscar.Over and out

I know some are asking a lot of the new board but rasing the dead er.....er.....

Is there anybody there......

Highworth red wrote:

ScottLeitch wrote:

Pewsham Red wrote:

Highworth red wrote:
What is wrong with you lot, you're like a bunch of moaning old women. 1-Kev Mac is a great appointment, and yes I do prefer him to that Italian. 2-We are in a great position in the league, what more do you want. 3-This squad of players has got us into this position. We might be a little frustrated at having no new faces, but the squad are happy that non have arrived, it means that some spotty kid is not going to push them out of the starting 11. I have faith in Kev and this squad, and so should all of you.

Really?

1. Absolutely no evidence of this yet.
2. We are, but with new players this could be better.
3. Wrong. This squad plus Matt Ritchie, Danny Hollands, Chris Martin etc etc

On what grounds is KMAC a great appointment?... easily pleased or what.

Many villa fans expected him to take over at villa park. Villa park, not the county ground. I'm surrounded by people I trully believe are not Ton fans.

Old-Stager, Hilperton wrote:

John Young's Grumpy wrote:
Somewhat surprised and bemused by the tone of many posters. Being a Swindon Town Fan means - all to ften - that we suffer all that has gone beofre and will go on.

For me, becoming a Swindon Town fan was a prolonged courtship based on the fact that my son had become a football fan and wanted to see league football. At the time I was serving at RAF Brize Norton and the two nearest league clubs were Swindon or Oxford United. {Fortunately} He chose Swindon and that, as they say, was that. Bit by bit the Club got under my skin. Now, over 20 years later, I am still making my way to the County Ground every home game and stumping up the cost of a Season Ticket every year.”

So what makes a true Town Fan, the eponymous ‘Robin’? I say that the real Town fan is a creature tied for life to the club he first “fell for” for whatever the reason. As someone once said, it’s a love for your club that will last “longer than any relationship ever made of your own free will”.

As far as life allows, a true Swindon Town fan sees all his club’s home games. It’s accepted that travelling to away games is a struggle but you try and get to a few, especially if it is a new ground not visited before, or it is that classic – a clash of titans, a derby that cries out “War”.

No matter how bad his team get, the Swindon Town fan cannot abandon them. When the team’s incompetence shames him, the fan still cannot leave. When the Board let him down, he still cannot leave. When the Press or Media abuse, misreport or fail to inform, he still clings to his Club like it is his life-line. The Swindon Town fan uses metaphors from drugs (“hooked”) or romantic love (“relationship”, “fell for”). Indeed, some who would hardly dare tell their wives that they love them will happily appear in public singing of their love for their club.

Ideally, the STFC fan is born or lived a local. If moved away they keep looking back, they keep returning “to the scene of the crime of passion”. This gives the fan roots and a sense of belonging. A story along the lines of “There never was any choice. My dad ... took me down to the County Ground to watch the derby match against Oxford … years ago – I was hooked and have been ever since ... My support has been about who we are and where we are from.”

A STFC fan is always there, always loyal. There can be no insinuation of being a “fair weather fan, an allegiance switcher”, who at different times in his life has supported other clubs in other leagues. Oh sure, there can be your “B-Team”, the one you keep an eye because you like them or your best mate supports them, but that is all. Town comes first – it’s in the blood.

So what's my point? Yes we must feel anxoius and worried when we see our Club in whatever state. But we must also feel passion and pride - these are the two emotions best conveyed to the players who we want to get out there and bring home the 3 points. So I urge all STFC Fans to focus on support - the rest will happen...... it always does. Hey, the Club is still here and look at some of the REAL difficulties we have faced and survived.

Perspective needed IMO.

COYR!!!!

Well done Grumpy ! - This is such a good post I couldn't have matched this if I tried.
Your excellent description of a typical STFC Fan certainly describes me and I hope many others as well.

Cookie43 wrote:

Since 1950 wrote:

Helpme234 wrote:
sagadude says... 11:28am Tue 19 Mar 13 I am dismayed at how thick the critics of the current board are on this forum!. The board has done their duties and are waiting for the football league to do their duties. What is difficult to understand about that? Your asking for answers that maybe the club are not allowed to reveal as they are confidentail with the fottball league. Its called protocol. Why is promotion so important?. Better to have a football club than end up like Portsmouth or like Aldershot many years ago!. Glory hunters......not true fans.” Sagadude, picking up on one of your points "Your asking for answers that maybe the club are not allowed to reveal as they are confidentail with the fottball league. Its called protocol." My issue with this is that if the Board are not allowed to disclose confidential information ....why did a board Member 2 days ago make a statement saying he was confident the embargo was about to be lifted? Surely better not to guess at this?

You know what Helpme234. It's people like you on this 'forum' that **** me off big time. If some ask questions about what the hell is going on at SN1 then immediately we're labeled by you as "thick", "not true fans" and "glory hunters". What a load of b******s.

You say "the board has done their duties". Obviously not or we wouldn't STILL be in an Embargo. "Thick" or what?

Not a question of being thick!!
I agree its very very frustrating
But not one of us knows the reasons
For all we know its the football league dragging its heals. We all know how slow and frustrating they can be.
I agree the board need to work on their communication but until we know the reasons their is no point in jumping go conclusions as already said this could all be down to the FL blaming the new owners is just born out off frustration and not based on facts!
The FL are full of old dusty slow men stuck in the dark ages.

ScottLeitch wrote:

lifelong red wrote:

ScottLeitch wrote:

Davidsyrett wrote:

ScottLeitch wrote:

Pewsham Red wrote:

Highworth red wrote:
What is wrong with you lot, you're like a bunch of moaning old women. 1-Kev Mac is a great appointment, and yes I do prefer him to that Italian. 2-We are in a great position in the league, what more do you want. 3-This squad of players has got us into this position. We might be a little frustrated at having no new faces, but the squad are happy that non have arrived, it means that some spotty kid is not going to push them out of the starting 11. I have faith in Kev and this squad, and so should all of you.

Really?

1. Absolutely no evidence of this yet.
2. We are, but with new players this could be better.
3. Wrong. This squad plus Matt Ritchie, Danny Hollands, Chris Martin etc etc

On what grounds is KMAC a great appointment?... easily pleased or what.

Who would you have appointed then?

A PROVEN manager.

pdc was not a proven manager but had the backing of millions hence why he done well,k.m is not a proven manager and has no flexibility to bring in any new players yet and surely you cant judge k.m until he builds his team and is able to bring in some players.What is evident k.m is a very calm influence and that could just work in our teams favour at such a frustrating time for all at stfc as throwing toys out of the pram is not the way to go.fair play to k mc.

Why are you bringing up PDC?. I'm saying for the situation that we face I would have gone for a proven manager... that was your question. KMAC was the cheap option and probably seemed very passive during the interview process. I want to see some passion or fight from the guy but I just don't. All successful managers will fight their corner when it comes to funding and situations like we currently face, he just seems far too accepting.

buckobassettboy wrote:
Quel surprise-if anyone read my posts before then you know I speak no lies.All the mealy mouths spouting on here about we gotta give Mac and his employers a chance-Go and do some research about this club-maybe ask Brian Hillier for a potted history.You best wake up boys-the same pile of crap is still here.Chancers aplenty who are a bunch of liars and in my opinion not fit for purpose.Watching the game tonight,praying for a result to temporarily lift gloom over my beloved team.Mac,Jed et all can go and do a large one-don't care if we did go up,you are not for us.Foxtrot Oscar.Over and out

Med Red wrote:

ScottLeitch wrote:

lifelong red wrote:

ScottLeitch wrote:

Davidsyrett wrote:

ScottLeitch wrote:

Pewsham Red wrote:

Highworth red wrote:
What is wrong with you lot, you're like a bunch of moaning old women. 1-Kev Mac is a great appointment, and yes I do prefer him to that Italian. 2-We are in a great position in the league, what more do you want. 3-This squad of players has got us into this position. We might be a little frustrated at having no new faces, but the squad are happy that non have arrived, it means that some spotty kid is not going to push them out of the starting 11. I have faith in Kev and this squad, and so should all of you.

Really?

1. Absolutely no evidence of this yet.
2. We are, but with new players this could be better.
3. Wrong. This squad plus Matt Ritchie, Danny Hollands, Chris Martin etc etc

On what grounds is KMAC a great appointment?... easily pleased or what.

Who would you have appointed then?

A PROVEN manager.

pdc was not a proven manager but had the backing of millions hence why he done well,k.m is not a proven manager and has no flexibility to bring in any new players yet and surely you cant judge k.m until he builds his team and is able to bring in some players.What is evident k.m is a very calm influence and that could just work in our teams favour at such a frustrating time for all at stfc as throwing toys out of the pram is not the way to go.fair play to k mc.

Why are you bringing up PDC?. I'm saying for the situation that we face I would have gone for a proven manager... that was your question. KMAC was the cheap option and probably seemed very passive during the interview process. I want to see some passion or fight from the guy but I just don't. All successful managers will fight their corner when it comes to funding and situations like we currently face, he just seems far too accepting.

KMAC was the perfect candidate for McCrory. Someone with experience of working with and developing young players. Which would give McCrory the opportunity of off-loading assets (players) in the summer, then pocketing the cash from their sale and replacing them with freebies. It will happen!!

Old-Stager, Hilperton wrote:

John Young's Grumpy wrote:
Somewhat surprised and bemused by the tone of many posters. Being a Swindon Town Fan means - all to ften - that we suffer all that has gone beofre and will go on.

For me, becoming a Swindon Town fan was a prolonged courtship based on the fact that my son had become a football fan and wanted to see league football. At the time I was serving at RAF Brize Norton and the two nearest league clubs were Swindon or Oxford United. {Fortunately} He chose Swindon and that, as they say, was that. Bit by bit the Club got under my skin. Now, over 20 years later, I am still making my way to the County Ground every home game and stumping up the cost of a Season Ticket every year.”

So what makes a true Town Fan, the eponymous ‘Robin’? I say that the real Town fan is a creature tied for life to the club he first “fell for” for whatever the reason. As someone once said, it’s a love for your club that will last “longer than any relationship ever made of your own free will”.

As far as life allows, a true Swindon Town fan sees all his club’s home games. It’s accepted that travelling to away games is a struggle but you try and get to a few, especially if it is a new ground not visited before, or it is that classic – a clash of titans, a derby that cries out “War”.

No matter how bad his team get, the Swindon Town fan cannot abandon them. When the team’s incompetence shames him, the fan still cannot leave. When the Board let him down, he still cannot leave. When the Press or Media abuse, misreport or fail to inform, he still clings to his Club like it is his life-line. The Swindon Town fan uses metaphors from drugs (“hooked”) or romantic love (“relationship”, “fell for”). Indeed, some who would hardly dare tell their wives that they love them will happily appear in public singing of their love for their club.

Ideally, the STFC fan is born or lived a local. If moved away they keep looking back, they keep returning “to the scene of the crime of passion”. This gives the fan roots and a sense of belonging. A story along the lines of “There never was any choice. My dad ... took me down to the County Ground to watch the derby match against Oxford … years ago – I was hooked and have been ever since ... My support has been about who we are and where we are from.”

A STFC fan is always there, always loyal. There can be no insinuation of being a “fair weather fan, an allegiance switcher”, who at different times in his life has supported other clubs in other leagues. Oh sure, there can be your “B-Team”, the one you keep an eye because you like them or your best mate supports them, but that is all. Town comes first – it’s in the blood.

So what's my point? Yes we must feel anxoius and worried when we see our Club in whatever state. But we must also feel passion and pride - these are the two emotions best conveyed to the players who we want to get out there and bring home the 3 points. So I urge all STFC Fans to focus on support - the rest will happen...... it always does. Hey, the Club is still here and look at some of the REAL difficulties we have faced and survived.

Perspective needed IMO.

COYR!!!!

Well done Grumpy ! - This is such a good post I couldn't have matched this if I tried.
Your excellent description of a typical STFC Fan certainly describes me and I hope many others as well.