Cooper unhappy with chants but accepts Town fans have a point

Swindon Advertiser: Mark Cooper Mark Cooper

MARK Cooper accepted that Swindon Town’s fans had a point after hearing a selection of sarcastic chants emanating from the away end during the Robins’ 1-0 defeat at Sheffield United on Saturday.

With Town struggling for forward momentum during a miserable second half at Bramall Lane, the 551 travelling supporters turned to entertaining themselves in the bottom tier of the Jessica Ennis Stand, with songs such as ‘let’s pretend we’ve had a shot’ and ‘all we want is another ****ing shot’ ringing out.

Cooper felt the chants were “a little disrespectful” but he admitted that the Swindon faithful who had travelled all the way up the M1 deserved better than what they were served up by their side on the day.

“It’s a little bit disrespectful at times but they’ve been brilliant all season and I’m not going to criticise the fans.

“I feel frustrated when we don’t give them what they want,” the Town boss told the Advertiser.

“We’re trying to play football a different way because of the players we’ve got and sometimes it takes longer to get the ball near the opposition goal than it normally would.

“I’ve not got a problem with (their gripes) but I’ll make no excuses because of the number of times we’ve been on the road and been beaten badly by squeezing too high up the pitch.”

Meanwhile, Cooper is struggling to identify just why his side have produced such poor second-half displays in recent weeks.

Against the Blades, just as it was in the recent clashes with Carlisle and Stevenage, an encouraging opening 45 minutes was followed by a lacklustre second half at Bramall Lane.

“It’s something we have to address,” said Cooper.

“The half-time talk was purely and simply about starting the second half brightly and from the kick-off we’ve tried to get Massimo (Luongo) to run with it and get on the front foot.

“In the first three or four minutes we gave the ball away six times without any real threat and without people being closed down in possession. When that happens you lose momentum.

“I don’t think they’re intimidated.

“We want to find that balance between attacking and defending because it’s been shown too many times that we can’t squeeze too high up the pitch because that’s a weakness of ours.

“If you take the goal out of it you come away saying that’s a good point.

“But when you concede a goal you’ve got to do better. We just changed to 4-3-3 when they scored so we never got to see how they coped with the score being 0-0.

“We’re frustrated but we go again next Saturday.”

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6:42am Mon 16 Dec 13

dazzastfc says...

VERY STRANGE mr cooper
VERY STRANGE mr cooper dazzastfc

6:59am Mon 16 Dec 13

who am i says...

yea much better to get beat 1 nil than 3 or 4 nil, a defeat is a defeat cooper. i dont mind the fact we start off with 4-6-0 to keep it tight but once we concede cooper has no idea what to do saturday he threw on Dany N'Guessan and stuck him on the left wing, we didnt play with anyone up front until the last 5 minutes. it was dire and i dont think the fans were disrespectful at all booing and screaming at the players would of been disrespectful and they were lucky thats what not happened.
yea much better to get beat 1 nil than 3 or 4 nil, a defeat is a defeat cooper. i dont mind the fact we start off with 4-6-0 to keep it tight but once we concede cooper has no idea what to do saturday he threw on Dany N'Guessan and stuck him on the left wing, we didnt play with anyone up front until the last 5 minutes. it was dire and i dont think the fans were disrespectful at all booing and screaming at the players would of been disrespectful and they were lucky thats what not happened. who am i

7:48am Mon 16 Dec 13

LionelHutz says...

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Those fans who persisted with the ironic chanting were an utter disgrace.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Those fans who persisted with the ironic chanting were an utter disgrace. LionelHutz

8:09am Mon 16 Dec 13

port de soller says...

There a young team made up of loanees and a large% will go in Jan plus a few more.
My God 8th in table that aint so bad is it??????
OK MC does have some strange ways but he has been appointed Boss and although sometimes his plans don´t work out we are at last in the right end of the division
There a young team made up of loanees and a large% will go in Jan plus a few more. My God 8th in table that aint so bad is it?????? OK MC does have some strange ways but he has been appointed Boss and although sometimes his plans don´t work out we are at last in the right end of the division port de soller

8:27am Mon 16 Dec 13

bradley red 1 says...

cooper unhappy with chants? well the travelling 500 who spent there hard earned at this time of the year are fully entitled to chant what they were seeing!! i am also baffled by coopers tactics,sheff utd were there for the taking..negative tactics,formation cost us much needed points away from home! very dissapointing mark cooper/lee power.
cooper unhappy with chants? well the travelling 500 who spent there hard earned at this time of the year are fully entitled to chant what they were seeing!! i am also baffled by coopers tactics,sheff utd were there for the taking..negative tactics,formation cost us much needed points away from home! very dissapointing mark cooper/lee power. bradley red 1

8:29am Mon 16 Dec 13

old town robin says...

Does anyone know if they had an overnight stay or travelled up the M1 on the Saturday morning. trying to understand if they're just tired from travelling 3 hours on a bus or if not, why they are so bad on the road and why we would Cooper want to play with a 10 man defence against a team near the bottom of the league. Wrong tactics and not playing their natural game seems to effect the way they play with nobody able to lead the line like Ranger does when he's on song.
Does anyone know if they had an overnight stay or travelled up the M1 on the Saturday morning. trying to understand if they're just tired from travelling 3 hours on a bus or if not, why they are so bad on the road and why we would Cooper want to play with a 10 man defence against a team near the bottom of the league. Wrong tactics and not playing their natural game seems to effect the way they play with nobody able to lead the line like Ranger does when he's on song. old town robin

8:29am Mon 16 Dec 13

umpcah says...

"We were playing against a very good side " stated Nigel Clough after the game ! Anyone care to comment ?
"We were playing against a very good side " stated Nigel Clough after the game ! Anyone care to comment ? umpcah

8:44am Mon 16 Dec 13

The Jockster says...

LionelHutz wrote:
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Those fans who persisted with the ironic chanting were an utter disgrace.
You obviously weren't there watching it then? If you had been you would have understood their frustrations. I can tell you Sheffield on a cold December day wasn't the place to be witnessing a performance like that Lionel!
[quote][p][bold]LionelHutz[/bold] wrote: I've said it before and I'll say it again. Those fans who persisted with the ironic chanting were an utter disgrace.[/p][/quote]You obviously weren't there watching it then? If you had been you would have understood their frustrations. I can tell you Sheffield on a cold December day wasn't the place to be witnessing a performance like that Lionel! The Jockster

8:52am Mon 16 Dec 13

umpcah says...

bradley red 1 wrote:
cooper unhappy with chants? well the travelling 500 who spent there hard earned at this time of the year are fully entitled to chant what they were seeing!! i am also baffled by coopers tactics,sheff utd were there for the taking..negative tactics,formation cost us much needed points away from home! very dissapointing mark cooper/lee power.
I`m with you Brad. Why oh why doesn`t Cooper develop a Plan B for the second half when Plan A is not working ? So glad I didn`t go to Sheffield !
[quote][p][bold]bradley red 1[/bold] wrote: cooper unhappy with chants? well the travelling 500 who spent there hard earned at this time of the year are fully entitled to chant what they were seeing!! i am also baffled by coopers tactics,sheff utd were there for the taking..negative tactics,formation cost us much needed points away from home! very dissapointing mark cooper/lee power.[/p][/quote]I`m with you Brad. Why oh why doesn`t Cooper develop a Plan B for the second half when Plan A is not working ? So glad I didn`t go to Sheffield ! umpcah

8:54am Mon 16 Dec 13

The Jockster says...

old town robin wrote:
Does anyone know if they had an overnight stay or travelled up the M1 on the Saturday morning. trying to understand if they're just tired from travelling 3 hours on a bus or if not, why they are so bad on the road and why we would Cooper want to play with a 10 man defence against a team near the bottom of the league. Wrong tactics and not playing their natural game seems to effect the way they play with nobody able to lead the line like Ranger does when he's on song.
OTR tired! After a whole 3 hours on a bus nae a coach even where they can stretch their legs have a kip and go for a wizz? Thou art 'avin a giraffe me old son. If an old bus pass git like me can sit 6 up in a cramped people carrier for 3 hours and still have the capability to walk to the ground on arrival I'm bloody sure a bunch of lads between a third and a half of my age wouldn't be tired ffs! They might be skint after losing at cards but tired? I don't think so!
[quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: Does anyone know if they had an overnight stay or travelled up the M1 on the Saturday morning. trying to understand if they're just tired from travelling 3 hours on a bus or if not, why they are so bad on the road and why we would Cooper want to play with a 10 man defence against a team near the bottom of the league. Wrong tactics and not playing their natural game seems to effect the way they play with nobody able to lead the line like Ranger does when he's on song.[/p][/quote]OTR tired! After a whole 3 hours on a bus nae a coach even where they can stretch their legs have a kip and go for a wizz? Thou art 'avin a giraffe me old son. If an old bus pass git like me can sit 6 up in a cramped people carrier for 3 hours and still have the capability to walk to the ground on arrival I'm bloody sure a bunch of lads between a third and a half of my age wouldn't be tired ffs! They might be skint after losing at cards but tired? I don't think so! The Jockster

9:11am Mon 16 Dec 13

sadgit says...

From the match report Cooper states that we are scared to attack other teams when playing away from home.
If that is true (even when playing teams in the bottom 6) we may as well pack it in.
I am really glad I give the away games a miss.
From the match report Cooper states that we are scared to attack other teams when playing away from home. If that is true (even when playing teams in the bottom 6) we may as well pack it in. I am really glad I give the away games a miss. sadgit

9:12am Mon 16 Dec 13

stranglers says...

LionelHutz wrote:
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Those fans who persisted with the ironic chanting were an utter disgrace.
Get real.
[quote][p][bold]LionelHutz[/bold] wrote: I've said it before and I'll say it again. Those fans who persisted with the ironic chanting were an utter disgrace.[/p][/quote]Get real. stranglers

9:13am Mon 16 Dec 13

stranglers says...

port de soller wrote:
There a young team made up of loanees and a large% will go in Jan plus a few more.
My God 8th in table that aint so bad is it??????
OK MC does have some strange ways but he has been appointed Boss and although sometimes his plans don´t work out we are at last in the right end of the division
OK, but for how long?
[quote][p][bold]port de soller[/bold] wrote: There a young team made up of loanees and a large% will go in Jan plus a few more. My God 8th in table that aint so bad is it?????? OK MC does have some strange ways but he has been appointed Boss and although sometimes his plans don´t work out we are at last in the right end of the division[/p][/quote]OK, but for how long? stranglers

9:19am Mon 16 Dec 13

Robinonfire says...

If you play no forwards your never score.....keep up the good work Mr Cooper.

What ever happened to Storey (Forward) ?????
If you play no forwards your never score.....keep up the good work Mr Cooper. What ever happened to Storey (Forward) ????? Robinonfire

9:25am Mon 16 Dec 13

umpcah says...

stranglers wrote:
port de soller wrote:
There a young team made up of loanees and a large% will go in Jan plus a few more.
My God 8th in table that aint so bad is it??????
OK MC does have some strange ways but he has been appointed Boss and although sometimes his plans don´t work out we are at last in the right end of the division
OK, but for how long?
End of February ?
[quote][p][bold]stranglers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]port de soller[/bold] wrote: There a young team made up of loanees and a large% will go in Jan plus a few more. My God 8th in table that aint so bad is it?????? OK MC does have some strange ways but he has been appointed Boss and although sometimes his plans don´t work out we are at last in the right end of the division[/p][/quote]OK, but for how long?[/p][/quote]End of February ? umpcah

9:41am Mon 16 Dec 13

carnegie says...

The Jockster wrote:
LionelHutz wrote:
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Those fans who persisted with the ironic chanting were an utter disgrace.
You obviously weren't there watching it then? If you had been you would have understood their frustrations. I can tell you Sheffield on a cold December day wasn't the place to be witnessing a performance like that Lionel!
I was there on Saturday and I state that the attitude of those so called 'fans' was a total disgrace. Some seem not to understand the meaning of 'support'. It was not a good performance, but nobody said it was going to be easy being a town supporter.
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LionelHutz[/bold] wrote: I've said it before and I'll say it again. Those fans who persisted with the ironic chanting were an utter disgrace.[/p][/quote]You obviously weren't there watching it then? If you had been you would have understood their frustrations. I can tell you Sheffield on a cold December day wasn't the place to be witnessing a performance like that Lionel![/p][/quote]I was there on Saturday and I state that the attitude of those so called 'fans' was a total disgrace. Some seem not to understand the meaning of 'support'. It was not a good performance, but nobody said it was going to be easy being a town supporter. carnegie

9:48am Mon 16 Dec 13

glenda hoddle says...

Robinonfire wrote:
If you play no forwards your never score.....keep up the good work Mr Cooper.

What ever happened to Storey (Forward) ?????
Why has miles story been frozen out. I dont get it. Id like to sit mark cooper down and watch the vidio of the tranmere match(last season) and ask him whats not to like.we put him on a new contract and then binned the boy. Strange.
[quote][p][bold]Robinonfire[/bold] wrote: If you play no forwards your never score.....keep up the good work Mr Cooper. What ever happened to Storey (Forward) ?????[/p][/quote]Why has miles story been frozen out. I dont get it. Id like to sit mark cooper down and watch the vidio of the tranmere match(last season) and ask him whats not to like.we put him on a new contract and then binned the boy. Strange. glenda hoddle

10:22am Mon 16 Dec 13

Oi Den! says...

Thank goodness there's still a bit of the old gallows humour about. Football has become far too sanitised for my liking.

There's also too much focus on the manager and his tactics. We go away and attack, we lose. We go away and defend, we lose. It's not about formations or the manager's ability or otherwise to change the course of a game. It's about a lack of character in the squad. The situation is similar to (though not nearly as bad as) the problem facing Wilson/Hart after Wilson had screwed up the 09/10 season. Then the strong characters drifted away one by one and we were left with a rump of technically good but characterless players.

First and foremost the game is about players, then it's about the manager getting the best out of them. I think Cooper is getting the best out of our players. We just don't have the strength or desire in the squad to do any better than we are. It's almost painful to think back to Greer's massive presence at the back, Paynter and Austin running their socks off and doubling up as midfield players, Danny Ward terrorising defences with his powerful running etc. We may not have the resources to sign players of that calibre now but a winning mentality needn't cost the earth.

I don't think we should be afraid to let the players know what we think. They are making a good living out of the game, while people are spending their hard earned cash to support the club. A bit of ironic chanting is nothing compared to the days when a lack of desire would result in slow handclapping and chants of "What a load of rubbish!" ringing round the ground. No, we don't want to go back to that - but let's keep this stuff in perspective.
Thank goodness there's still a bit of the old gallows humour about. Football has become far too sanitised for my liking. There's also too much focus on the manager and his tactics. We go away and attack, we lose. We go away and defend, we lose. It's not about formations or the manager's ability or otherwise to change the course of a game. It's about a lack of character in the squad. The situation is similar to (though not nearly as bad as) the problem facing Wilson/Hart after Wilson had screwed up the 09/10 season. Then the strong characters drifted away one by one and we were left with a rump of technically good but characterless players. First and foremost the game is about players, then it's about the manager getting the best out of them. I think Cooper is getting the best out of our players. We just don't have the strength or desire in the squad to do any better than we are. It's almost painful to think back to Greer's massive presence at the back, Paynter and Austin running their socks off and doubling up as midfield players, Danny Ward terrorising defences with his powerful running etc. We may not have the resources to sign players of that calibre now but a winning mentality needn't cost the earth. I don't think we should be afraid to let the players know what we think. They are making a good living out of the game, while people are spending their hard earned cash to support the club. A bit of ironic chanting is nothing compared to the days when a lack of desire would result in slow handclapping and chants of "What a load of rubbish!" ringing round the ground. No, we don't want to go back to that - but let's keep this stuff in perspective. Oi Den!

10:27am Mon 16 Dec 13

umpcah says...

carnegie wrote:
The Jockster wrote:
LionelHutz wrote:
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Those fans who persisted with the ironic chanting were an utter disgrace.
You obviously weren't there watching it then? If you had been you would have understood their frustrations. I can tell you Sheffield on a cold December day wasn't the place to be witnessing a performance like that Lionel!
I was there on Saturday and I state that the attitude of those so called 'fans' was a total disgrace. Some seem not to understand the meaning of 'support'. It was not a good performance, but nobody said it was going to be easy being a town supporter.
"It was not a good performance" . I wasn`t there but don't think anyone would argue against that. Swindon "fans" had paid hard earnt money to travel to Sheffield for entertainment and apparently most Town players made little effort to rally to the cause. How else can frustrated fans legally show their displeasure ?
[quote][p][bold]carnegie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LionelHutz[/bold] wrote: I've said it before and I'll say it again. Those fans who persisted with the ironic chanting were an utter disgrace.[/p][/quote]You obviously weren't there watching it then? If you had been you would have understood their frustrations. I can tell you Sheffield on a cold December day wasn't the place to be witnessing a performance like that Lionel![/p][/quote]I was there on Saturday and I state that the attitude of those so called 'fans' was a total disgrace. Some seem not to understand the meaning of 'support'. It was not a good performance, but nobody said it was going to be easy being a town supporter.[/p][/quote]"It was not a good performance" . I wasn`t there but don't think anyone would argue against that. Swindon "fans" had paid hard earnt money to travel to Sheffield for entertainment and apparently most Town players made little effort to rally to the cause. How else can frustrated fans legally show their displeasure ? umpcah

10:41am Mon 16 Dec 13

Since 1950 says...

LionelHutz wrote:
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Those fans who persisted with the ironic chanting were an utter disgrace.
I'd say the 500+ Fans who travelled all that way not even to have seen a shot on goal were quite entitled to chant whatever they wanted!! Best away fans in the league by a mile!

COYR!
[quote][p][bold]LionelHutz[/bold] wrote: I've said it before and I'll say it again. Those fans who persisted with the ironic chanting were an utter disgrace.[/p][/quote]I'd say the 500+ Fans who travelled all that way not even to have seen a shot on goal were quite entitled to chant whatever they wanted!! Best away fans in the league by a mile! COYR! Since 1950

10:48am Mon 16 Dec 13

Since 1950 says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Thank goodness there's still a bit of the old gallows humour about. Football has become far too sanitised for my liking.

There's also too much focus on the manager and his tactics. We go away and attack, we lose. We go away and defend, we lose. It's not about formations or the manager's ability or otherwise to change the course of a game. It's about a lack of character in the squad. The situation is similar to (though not nearly as bad as) the problem facing Wilson/Hart after Wilson had screwed up the 09/10 season. Then the strong characters drifted away one by one and we were left with a rump of technically good but characterless players.

First and foremost the game is about players, then it's about the manager getting the best out of them. I think Cooper is getting the best out of our players. We just don't have the strength or desire in the squad to do any better than we are. It's almost painful to think back to Greer's massive presence at the back, Paynter and Austin running their socks off and doubling up as midfield players, Danny Ward terrorising defences with his powerful running etc. We may not have the resources to sign players of that calibre now but a winning mentality needn't cost the earth.

I don't think we should be afraid to let the players know what we think. They are making a good living out of the game, while people are spending their hard earned cash to support the club. A bit of ironic chanting is nothing compared to the days when a lack of desire would result in slow handclapping and chants of "What a load of rubbish!" ringing round the ground. No, we don't want to go back to that - but let's keep this stuff in perspective.
Spot on Den!
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Thank goodness there's still a bit of the old gallows humour about. Football has become far too sanitised for my liking. There's also too much focus on the manager and his tactics. We go away and attack, we lose. We go away and defend, we lose. It's not about formations or the manager's ability or otherwise to change the course of a game. It's about a lack of character in the squad. The situation is similar to (though not nearly as bad as) the problem facing Wilson/Hart after Wilson had screwed up the 09/10 season. Then the strong characters drifted away one by one and we were left with a rump of technically good but characterless players. First and foremost the game is about players, then it's about the manager getting the best out of them. I think Cooper is getting the best out of our players. We just don't have the strength or desire in the squad to do any better than we are. It's almost painful to think back to Greer's massive presence at the back, Paynter and Austin running their socks off and doubling up as midfield players, Danny Ward terrorising defences with his powerful running etc. We may not have the resources to sign players of that calibre now but a winning mentality needn't cost the earth. I don't think we should be afraid to let the players know what we think. They are making a good living out of the game, while people are spending their hard earned cash to support the club. A bit of ironic chanting is nothing compared to the days when a lack of desire would result in slow handclapping and chants of "What a load of rubbish!" ringing round the ground. No, we don't want to go back to that - but let's keep this stuff in perspective.[/p][/quote]Spot on Den! Since 1950

10:48am Mon 16 Dec 13

street2000 says...

bradley red 1 wrote:
cooper unhappy with chants? well the travelling 500 who spent there hard earned at this time of the year are fully entitled to chant what they were seeing!! i am also baffled by coopers tactics,sheff utd were there for the taking..negative tactics,formation cost us much needed points away from home! very dissapointing mark cooper/lee power.
Somebody talkling sense!
[quote][p][bold]bradley red 1[/bold] wrote: cooper unhappy with chants? well the travelling 500 who spent there hard earned at this time of the year are fully entitled to chant what they were seeing!! i am also baffled by coopers tactics,sheff utd were there for the taking..negative tactics,formation cost us much needed points away from home! very dissapointing mark cooper/lee power.[/p][/quote]Somebody talkling sense! street2000

10:54am Mon 16 Dec 13

Oi Den! says...

street2000 wrote:
bradley red 1 wrote:
cooper unhappy with chants? well the travelling 500 who spent there hard earned at this time of the year are fully entitled to chant what they were seeing!! i am also baffled by coopers tactics,sheff utd were there for the taking..negative tactics,formation cost us much needed points away from home! very dissapointing mark cooper/lee power.
Somebody talkling sense!
So, what formation would have won us points on Saturday? Perhaps the same one we used at Macclesfield?
[quote][p][bold]street2000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bradley red 1[/bold] wrote: cooper unhappy with chants? well the travelling 500 who spent there hard earned at this time of the year are fully entitled to chant what they were seeing!! i am also baffled by coopers tactics,sheff utd were there for the taking..negative tactics,formation cost us much needed points away from home! very dissapointing mark cooper/lee power.[/p][/quote]Somebody talkling sense![/p][/quote]So, what formation would have won us points on Saturday? Perhaps the same one we used at Macclesfield? Oi Den!

11:14am Mon 16 Dec 13

MoonrakerMatelot says...

Oi Den! wrote:
street2000 wrote:
bradley red 1 wrote: cooper unhappy with chants? well the travelling 500 who spent there hard earned at this time of the year are fully entitled to chant what they were seeing!! i am also baffled by coopers tactics,sheff utd were there for the taking..negative tactics,formation cost us much needed points away from home! very dissapointing mark cooper/lee power.
Somebody talkling sense!
So, what formation would have won us points on Saturday? Perhaps the same one we used at Macclesfield?
I'm no tactical wizard or formation guru, but a Striker (I think you call them) might have helped?
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]street2000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bradley red 1[/bold] wrote: cooper unhappy with chants? well the travelling 500 who spent there hard earned at this time of the year are fully entitled to chant what they were seeing!! i am also baffled by coopers tactics,sheff utd were there for the taking..negative tactics,formation cost us much needed points away from home! very dissapointing mark cooper/lee power.[/p][/quote]Somebody talkling sense![/p][/quote]So, what formation would have won us points on Saturday? Perhaps the same one we used at Macclesfield?[/p][/quote]I'm no tactical wizard or formation guru, but a Striker (I think you call them) might have helped? MoonrakerMatelot

11:22am Mon 16 Dec 13

The Jockster says...

Den

If MC had at least tried to go 433 or 442 say after an hour we might have had a few shots on goal - and to be fair to his critics bringing Danny N'G on for ten minutes and playing him wide wasn't exactly a tactical master stroke, at least in the middle he can hold the ball up although he's not as good as Ranger at doing that.
I'd rather us lose 3-0 having had a go than wave the white flag of surrender like we did on Saturday and not for the first time.
It's worrying of course because a run of results in that vein of form plummets us down the league and into the relegation scramble. I do not think that will happen as I think we will harvest enough points but with the uncertainty of the transfer window departures we could be left worse off even. Hang on for a bumpy ride until the end of the season I reckon.
Den If MC had at least tried to go 433 or 442 say after an hour we might have had a few shots on goal - and to be fair to his critics bringing Danny N'G on for ten minutes and playing him wide wasn't exactly a tactical master stroke, at least in the middle he can hold the ball up although he's not as good as Ranger at doing that. I'd rather us lose 3-0 having had a go than wave the white flag of surrender like we did on Saturday and not for the first time. It's worrying of course because a run of results in that vein of form plummets us down the league and into the relegation scramble. I do not think that will happen as I think we will harvest enough points but with the uncertainty of the transfer window departures we could be left worse off even. Hang on for a bumpy ride until the end of the season I reckon. The Jockster

11:25am Mon 16 Dec 13

Oi Den! says...

MoonrakerMatelot wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
street2000 wrote:
bradley red 1 wrote: cooper unhappy with chants? well the travelling 500 who spent there hard earned at this time of the year are fully entitled to chant what they were seeing!! i am also baffled by coopers tactics,sheff utd were there for the taking..negative tactics,formation cost us much needed points away from home! very dissapointing mark cooper/lee power.
Somebody talkling sense!
So, what formation would have won us points on Saturday? Perhaps the same one we used at Macclesfield?
I'm no tactical wizard or formation guru, but a Striker (I think you call them) might have helped?
Matelot, I don't like this strikerless formation any more than you. I'm just not sure that a more attacking formation makes much difference to our chances of avoiding defeat away from home. And in fairness to Cooper we did get 4 points from 2 away games with it.
[quote][p][bold]MoonrakerMatelot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]street2000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bradley red 1[/bold] wrote: cooper unhappy with chants? well the travelling 500 who spent there hard earned at this time of the year are fully entitled to chant what they were seeing!! i am also baffled by coopers tactics,sheff utd were there for the taking..negative tactics,formation cost us much needed points away from home! very dissapointing mark cooper/lee power.[/p][/quote]Somebody talkling sense![/p][/quote]So, what formation would have won us points on Saturday? Perhaps the same one we used at Macclesfield?[/p][/quote]I'm no tactical wizard or formation guru, but a Striker (I think you call them) might have helped?[/p][/quote]Matelot, I don't like this strikerless formation any more than you. I'm just not sure that a more attacking formation makes much difference to our chances of avoiding defeat away from home. And in fairness to Cooper we did get 4 points from 2 away games with it. Oi Den!

11:34am Mon 16 Dec 13

Oi Den! says...

The Jockster wrote:
Den

If MC had at least tried to go 433 or 442 say after an hour we might have had a few shots on goal - and to be fair to his critics bringing Danny N'G on for ten minutes and playing him wide wasn't exactly a tactical master stroke, at least in the middle he can hold the ball up although he's not as good as Ranger at doing that.
I'd rather us lose 3-0 having had a go than wave the white flag of surrender like we did on Saturday and not for the first time.
It's worrying of course because a run of results in that vein of form plummets us down the league and into the relegation scramble. I do not think that will happen as I think we will harvest enough points but with the uncertainty of the transfer window departures we could be left worse off even. Hang on for a bumpy ride until the end of the season I reckon.
Fair play Malk. You were there and I wasn't. It's just that, until we strengthen the defence and midfield, I reckon Cooper's probably right in thinking our best chance of getting anything away from home is to pack the midfield and hope that maybe we'll catch the opposition on the break.

I don't think Cooper gets everything right, by a long chalk. Overall his management has been pretty effective so far though.
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: Den If MC had at least tried to go 433 or 442 say after an hour we might have had a few shots on goal - and to be fair to his critics bringing Danny N'G on for ten minutes and playing him wide wasn't exactly a tactical master stroke, at least in the middle he can hold the ball up although he's not as good as Ranger at doing that. I'd rather us lose 3-0 having had a go than wave the white flag of surrender like we did on Saturday and not for the first time. It's worrying of course because a run of results in that vein of form plummets us down the league and into the relegation scramble. I do not think that will happen as I think we will harvest enough points but with the uncertainty of the transfer window departures we could be left worse off even. Hang on for a bumpy ride until the end of the season I reckon.[/p][/quote]Fair play Malk. You were there and I wasn't. It's just that, until we strengthen the defence and midfield, I reckon Cooper's probably right in thinking our best chance of getting anything away from home is to pack the midfield and hope that maybe we'll catch the opposition on the break. I don't think Cooper gets everything right, by a long chalk. Overall his management has been pretty effective so far though. Oi Den!

11:59am Mon 16 Dec 13

STFCTID says...

LionelHutz wrote:
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Those fans who persisted with the ironic chanting were an utter disgrace.
You can say what you want - as can those who tried to cheer up a dreary afternoon far from home watching a terrible footballing display by injecting some gallows humour.

I was there - it was a terrible game and as fans there is little you can do to express your opinion directly to the club except sing.

As the product (football) was unsatisfactory the feedback (singing) reflected this.

You can disapprove all you want - If I want to express my opinion about a football match LEGALLY - I will.

The disgrace is people like you who expect everyone to agree with your opinion and act in the same manner.

We are individuals and entitled to sing what we want.
[quote][p][bold]LionelHutz[/bold] wrote: I've said it before and I'll say it again. Those fans who persisted with the ironic chanting were an utter disgrace.[/p][/quote]You can say what you want - as can those who tried to cheer up a dreary afternoon far from home watching a terrible footballing display by injecting some gallows humour. I was there - it was a terrible game and as fans there is little you can do to express your opinion directly to the club except sing. As the product (football) was unsatisfactory the feedback (singing) reflected this. You can disapprove all you want - If I want to express my opinion about a football match LEGALLY - I will. The disgrace is people like you who expect everyone to agree with your opinion and act in the same manner. We are individuals and entitled to sing what we want. STFCTID

12:01pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Bassett Hound says...

sadgit wrote:
From the match report Cooper states that we are scared to attack other teams when playing away from home.
If that is true (even when playing teams in the bottom 6) we may as well pack it in.
I am really glad I give the away games a miss.
Agree Sadgit, a shocking comment.
[quote][p][bold]sadgit[/bold] wrote: From the match report Cooper states that we are scared to attack other teams when playing away from home. If that is true (even when playing teams in the bottom 6) we may as well pack it in. I am really glad I give the away games a miss.[/p][/quote]Agree Sadgit, a shocking comment. Bassett Hound

12:01pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Is that you Lovesey says...

I have said all along we will strugle without Ranger, I would rather play 4-4-2 away from home and give it a go than play 4-6-0 and create nothing, thats just my oppinion no right or wrong, but to go0 and play for a point where other teams go and win, I think us playing for a point make the players start to think they are playing a better team as a point would be a result.
I have said all along we will strugle without Ranger, I would rather play 4-4-2 away from home and give it a go than play 4-6-0 and create nothing, thats just my oppinion no right or wrong, but to go0 and play for a point where other teams go and win, I think us playing for a point make the players start to think they are playing a better team as a point would be a result. Is that you Lovesey

12:06pm Mon 16 Dec 13

hertz says...

Well if Coops is trying to adopt a Tottenhameque approach to his game he is going the right way about it , they ad no sots on target yesterday and AVB has just been shown the door .
Well if Coops is trying to adopt a Tottenhameque approach to his game he is going the right way about it , they ad no sots on target yesterday and AVB has just been shown the door . hertz

12:39pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Old-Stager, Hilperton says...

I reckon that Mark Cooper has done a reasonable job as manager at Swindon since the departure of the anonymous Kevin McDonald, but I would warn him that historically most managers in the past in English Football that start to criticise their own supporters do not stay in their jobs for very long.
So Mark - be very careful !
I reckon that Mark Cooper has done a reasonable job as manager at Swindon since the departure of the anonymous Kevin McDonald, but I would warn him that historically most managers in the past in English Football that start to criticise their own supporters do not stay in their jobs for very long. So Mark - be very careful ! Old-Stager, Hilperton

12:43pm Mon 16 Dec 13

the don69 says...

You might be unhappy with the chants Coops!but after that bloody toothless performance up north!the fans are well p1ssed off and very unhappy with performances like that!any more as bad as Saturday and you might find the gallows humour will be get even worse and you and our under performing players will simply have to improve or take it on the chin!!!!!!!!!!!
You might be unhappy with the chants Coops!but after that bloody toothless performance up north!the fans are well p1ssed off and very unhappy with performances like that!any more as bad as Saturday and you might find the gallows humour will be get even worse and you and our under performing players will simply have to improve or take it on the chin!!!!!!!!!!! the don69

12:55pm Mon 16 Dec 13

bivver says...

Playing 4-6-0 is dumb.
It leaves a vast space for the opposition to form up and attack in numbers.
It just about worked in Crawley but it was painful to watch - and boring.
Playing 4-6-0 is dumb. It leaves a vast space for the opposition to form up and attack in numbers. It just about worked in Crawley but it was painful to watch - and boring. bivver

12:59pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Wilesy says...

Is Cooper blaming the squad given to him or his own management?

On one hand he says the big players didn't show yet on the other is already choosing a park the bus 4-6-0 style anticipating the worst, on the back of many poor away performances.

For me the lack of effort put in by some of the team is unforgiveable, and if the manager after 4 months cannot get his players to roll their sleeves up and put in a shift, instead almost admitting defeat by going 4-6-0 then he has to go, as well as the players at fault.

It's as bad as that as far as I'm concerned. When your own fans are jeering their team (which they are entitled to do) then questions have to be asked.

At the moment we seem to be getting one good half every 3 or 4 matches. When we are good we are great but when we're poor it's desperately bad.

Major recruitment drive needed in January whatever the budget allows, we need to recruit some men who will work, stand up for themselves and get stuck in. All the other teams seem to have them and I'm sure there are 3 or 4 not with clubs that would be grateful for the chance.
Is Cooper blaming the squad given to him or his own management? On one hand he says the big players didn't show yet on the other is already choosing a park the bus 4-6-0 style anticipating the worst, on the back of many poor away performances. For me the lack of effort put in by some of the team is unforgiveable, and if the manager after 4 months cannot get his players to roll their sleeves up and put in a shift, instead almost admitting defeat by going 4-6-0 then he has to go, as well as the players at fault. It's as bad as that as far as I'm concerned. When your own fans are jeering their team (which they are entitled to do) then questions have to be asked. At the moment we seem to be getting one good half every 3 or 4 matches. When we are good we are great but when we're poor it's desperately bad. Major recruitment drive needed in January whatever the budget allows, we need to recruit some men who will work, stand up for themselves and get stuck in. All the other teams seem to have them and I'm sure there are 3 or 4 not with clubs that would be grateful for the chance. Wilesy

1:04pm Mon 16 Dec 13

swindonurock says...

I think anything that any supporters do should be viewed in the context of "how does this help my team." The supporters are not called the twelfth man for nothing. Suffice to say that negative chanting does nothing to help any team.

I'd rather have only half-a-dozen away supporters turn up and be cheering Swindon on than hundreds turn up showing that they're idiots with their stupid and negative chanting.

There may be a time and place to vent frustrations, but being negative towards the players when they're actually playing isn't one of them. In fact it disincentives your own team and inspires the opposition.

Seriously, being a player out on the field, and hearing your own so-called supporters being negative doesn't encourage you to do better; it just puts you down even more.

Booing; negative chanting; or otherwise being abusive to one's own team, is not part of being a good supporter. That's called being an idiot.
I think anything that any supporters do should be viewed in the context of "how does this help my team." The supporters are not called the twelfth man for nothing. Suffice to say that negative chanting does nothing to help any team. I'd rather have only half-a-dozen away supporters turn up and be cheering Swindon on than hundreds turn up showing that they're idiots with their stupid and negative chanting. There may be a time and place to vent frustrations, but being negative towards the players when they're actually playing isn't one of them. In fact it disincentives your own team and inspires the opposition. Seriously, being a player out on the field, and hearing your own so-called supporters being negative doesn't encourage you to do better; it just puts you down even more. Booing; negative chanting; or otherwise being abusive to one's own team, is not part of being a good supporter. That's called being an idiot. swindonurock

1:07pm Mon 16 Dec 13

the don69 says...

AVB sacked!wonder if that will effect our loans?how about PDC for the job at Spurs lol!!!!!!!!!!
AVB sacked!wonder if that will effect our loans?how about PDC for the job at Spurs lol!!!!!!!!!! the don69

1:11pm Mon 16 Dec 13

stanharlands6shirt says...

HONEYMOON OVER MR COOPER....
For me Sheffield United away was penciled in as a must go to away game at the start of the season. That's near on 800 miles round trip.
However, whilst I believe we have some excellent creative attacking players, both signed and loaned, I believe the constraints within which they are asked to play are holding them back, both individually and as a team. That tactical naivety and fear of defeat that I feel I am witnessing is in my opinion holding the team back and sadly making me think hard before making such long journey's to witness such abject negativity within a game plan.
One success with a negative 1-4-6 away formation and we have to try and play like it every week, almost as if the management believe they had found the golden ticket to away day success.
The golden ticket is far more likely to be found by the management doing their homework properly, assessing individual opposition teams strengths and weaknesses and then trying to manage our squad to exploit those weaknesses on match day.
Do I think they do not already do this ? NOT THOROUGHLY ENOUGH, would be my answer.
Instead I feel we appear to approach each game with the attitude; we have a leaky defense so lets not let them at us.. 1-4-6.
Better we spent more time on the training ground putting trust in our defenders to eventually get it right, and then showing real trust in all our squad on match day and saying quite simply; HERE'S AN ATTACKING GAME PLAN, GO OUT,TRY TO GET US A LEAD AND THEN SHOW ME YOU CAN DEFEND IT AS WELL.. Now for that kind of approach I would happily travel 800 miles to watch and support. At least we would then have something positive to follow and support and know that the squad were going to be given a chance to have a go.

Truthfully we were not much better at home against Orient.
A goodish start where we could have scored more goals was followed for the vast majority of the game where the ball was recycled, looked after, and moved out to the flanks (slowly), only for EVERYONE IN THE GROUND TO SEE that when we did finally get forward, more often than not we did not have anyone through the middle to feed the ball too. That cannot be the players fault...it has to be the system, or lack of, that they are asked to employ.
It's too easy to say we do not have a striker. Storey, Jackson, Ajose, El Gabbas, En Guessan, Pritchard, and yes Ranger if available. Strikers we have. An attacking pro-acttive game plan it appears we do not, or we are too paralyzed upon the bench to use it.

It's not that we can't attack. At QPR we had nothing too lose, attacked, scored and defended, whilst playing an attacking brand of football that had Harry Rednap repeating again recently that the best team he had played this season was not in the Championship, but was SWINDON. We were brave and the manager had little to lose ...so we attacked..AND DESERVEDLY WON.

I actually believe that this group of players have the ability to go very close in challenging for a promotion place, but I also feel they lack real leadership/ belief from the bench.
Mr Cooper is a good diplomat and says many of the right things, both in defeat and victory, but I am now of the opinion that a very talented group of players are carrying a manager who appears unable or unwilling to play an attacking brand of football for fear of losing. Better to defend negatively, lose 1-0 and offer the platitudes to those that watch week in week out that "we were close and if only."....
Yes I know the whole club is in what could be called RECOVERY MODE after near financial ruin, and the manager must be seen to work within it's constraints, but the players are there, the technical ability is there, the opportunity is there. We just need someone capable of showing REAL leadership, both to the players and YES to the supporters.
As said at the start of this post, I believe for many supporters the honeymoon is now over for Mr Cooper.
I would not condone, but do sympathize with our supporters verbal frustrations of his tactics, and I feel sure this was the reason for the supporters verbal display at a miserable Bramal Lane. Everyone has been very supportive of Mr Coopers efforts under trying conditions, but I personally find myself regularly asking how a different manager would develop, mould and set up such a talented group of players.

Am I looking for Mr Cooper to start looking to play hoof-ball. Definitely not. I would however like to see a more aggressive attacking policy employed on the pitch and dispense with the negativity that he appears to ask our team to display.

Finally, I understand we are all premiership managers when we come on these sites, and all feel we know the answers when it is far more difficult from the bench, but if we are to persist with a 4-5-1 (4-1-4-1) type formation for most games, then we need to hit the wide players earlier to give them a real chance of having a go at the oppositions full-backs....when the ball arrives in the middle we are often far to slow moving it out wide, and when it does finally arrive the opposition full-backs have often covered any space that our wide players may have found for themselves.

IF I had a message that I would want to get across to Mr COOPER then it would be three simple words;
ATTACK,TRUST AND BELIEVE.
If those three traits were to be employed by our management team, then win,lose or draw,a long journey home from both home and or away games would be far more palatable and the thought of returning next week with a positive conviction far more appealing.

Will I be there. O course, but come on Mr Cooper, LET THEM OFF YOUR LEASH.
HONEYMOON OVER MR COOPER.... For me Sheffield United away was penciled in as a must go to away game at the start of the season. That's near on 800 miles round trip. However, whilst I believe we have some excellent creative attacking players, both signed and loaned, I believe the constraints within which they are asked to play are holding them back, both individually and as a team. That tactical naivety and fear of defeat that I feel I am witnessing is in my opinion holding the team back and sadly making me think hard before making such long journey's to witness such abject negativity within a game plan. One success with a negative 1-4-6 away formation and we have to try and play like it every week, almost as if the management believe they had found the golden ticket to away day success. The golden ticket is far more likely to be found by the management doing their homework properly, assessing individual opposition teams strengths and weaknesses and then trying to manage our squad to exploit those weaknesses on match day. Do I think they do not already do this ? NOT THOROUGHLY ENOUGH, would be my answer. Instead I feel we appear to approach each game with the attitude; we have a leaky defense so lets not let them at us.. 1-4-6. Better we spent more time on the training ground putting trust in our defenders to eventually get it right, and then showing real trust in all our squad on match day and saying quite simply; HERE'S AN ATTACKING GAME PLAN, GO OUT,TRY TO GET US A LEAD AND THEN SHOW ME YOU CAN DEFEND IT AS WELL.. Now for that kind of approach I would happily travel 800 miles to watch and support. At least we would then have something positive to follow and support and know that the squad were going to be given a chance to have a go. Truthfully we were not much better at home against Orient. A goodish start where we could have scored more goals was followed for the vast majority of the game where the ball was recycled, looked after, and moved out to the flanks (slowly), only for EVERYONE IN THE GROUND TO SEE that when we did finally get forward, more often than not we did not have anyone through the middle to feed the ball too. That cannot be the players fault...it has to be the system, or lack of, that they are asked to employ. It's too easy to say we do not have a striker. Storey, Jackson, Ajose, El Gabbas, En Guessan, Pritchard, and yes Ranger if available. Strikers we have. An attacking pro-acttive game plan it appears we do not, or we are too paralyzed upon the bench to use it. It's not that we can't attack. At QPR we had nothing too lose, attacked, scored and defended, whilst playing an attacking brand of football that had Harry Rednap repeating again recently that the best team he had played this season was not in the Championship, but was SWINDON. We were brave and the manager had little to lose ...so we attacked..AND DESERVEDLY WON. I actually believe that this group of players have the ability to go very close in challenging for a promotion place, but I also feel they lack real leadership/ belief from the bench. Mr Cooper is a good diplomat and says many of the right things, both in defeat and victory, but I am now of the opinion that a very talented group of players are carrying a manager who appears unable or unwilling to play an attacking brand of football for fear of losing. Better to defend negatively, lose 1-0 and offer the platitudes to those that watch week in week out that "we were close and if only.".... Yes I know the whole club is in what could be called RECOVERY MODE after near financial ruin, and the manager must be seen to work within it's constraints, but the players are there, the technical ability is there, the opportunity is there. We just need someone capable of showing REAL leadership, both to the players and YES to the supporters. As said at the start of this post, I believe for many supporters the honeymoon is now over for Mr Cooper. I would not condone, but do sympathize with our supporters verbal frustrations of his tactics, and I feel sure this was the reason for the supporters verbal display at a miserable Bramal Lane. Everyone has been very supportive of Mr Coopers efforts under trying conditions, but I personally find myself regularly asking how a different manager would develop, mould and set up such a talented group of players. Am I looking for Mr Cooper to start looking to play hoof-ball. Definitely not. I would however like to see a more aggressive attacking policy employed on the pitch and dispense with the negativity that he appears to ask our team to display. Finally, I understand we are all premiership managers when we come on these sites, and all feel we know the answers when it is far more difficult from the bench, but if we are to persist with a 4-5-1 (4-1-4-1) type formation for most games, then we need to hit the wide players earlier to give them a real chance of having a go at the oppositions full-backs....when the ball arrives in the middle we are often far to slow moving it out wide, and when it does finally arrive the opposition full-backs have often covered any space that our wide players may have found for themselves. IF I had a message that I would want to get across to Mr COOPER then it would be three simple words; ATTACK,TRUST AND BELIEVE. If those three traits were to be employed by our management team, then win,lose or draw,a long journey home from both home and or away games would be far more palatable and the thought of returning next week with a positive conviction far more appealing. Will I be there. O course, but come on Mr Cooper, LET THEM OFF YOUR LEASH. stanharlands6shirt

1:19pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Swindon1984 says...

port de soller wrote:
There a young team made up of loanees and a large% will go in Jan plus a few more. My God 8th in table that aint so bad is it?????? OK MC does have some strange ways but he has been appointed Boss and although sometimes his plans don´t work out we are at last in the right end of the division
The right end, yes, but doubt you'd sound nearly as positive if you'd travelled up to Sheffield.

Wouldn't boo the team myself (although the "sarcastic chants seemed to be born out of frustration, were not offensive and had a point). Think Cooper would've been better not mentioning this and sticking to discussing the football, a lot of people spent a lot of money Saturday and many feel aggrieved - that's their right.
[quote][p][bold]port de soller[/bold] wrote: There a young team made up of loanees and a large% will go in Jan plus a few more. My God 8th in table that aint so bad is it?????? OK MC does have some strange ways but he has been appointed Boss and although sometimes his plans don´t work out we are at last in the right end of the division[/p][/quote]The right end, yes, but doubt you'd sound nearly as positive if you'd travelled up to Sheffield. Wouldn't boo the team myself (although the "sarcastic chants seemed to be born out of frustration, were not offensive and had a point). Think Cooper would've been better not mentioning this and sticking to discussing the football, a lot of people spent a lot of money Saturday and many feel aggrieved - that's their right. Swindon1984

1:29pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Swindon1984 says...

bivver wrote:
Playing 4-6-0 is dumb. It leaves a vast space for the opposition to form up and attack in numbers. It just about worked in Crawley but it was painful to watch - and boring.
Agreed, against Crawley it was one of the most tedious town games I've ever seen. As we got a point out of it that night and that's all I was realistically expecting, I wasn't too upset. If we'd played that way and lost by the odd goal (as could quite easily have happened on another night) I'd have been livid, as I'm sure the rest of the the 300 odd would have been.

Negative tactics generally produce negative results. In some ways I could understand this sort of thing in the premiership if you were talking about a side facing relegation playing one of the top four (i.e. a point away from home could be the difference between staying up and going down, and if with the gulf in class, playing for a draw may be your best bet).

However this was Sheffield United we were playing against - the opposite end of the table to us. Would've thought we'd have a go at least, maybe playing N'Guessan up front from the start. After all having someone up front to compete for the ball means it doesn't get chucked straight back towards you - attack best form of defence etc?
[quote][p][bold]bivver[/bold] wrote: Playing 4-6-0 is dumb. It leaves a vast space for the opposition to form up and attack in numbers. It just about worked in Crawley but it was painful to watch - and boring.[/p][/quote]Agreed, against Crawley it was one of the most tedious town games I've ever seen. As we got a point out of it that night and that's all I was realistically expecting, I wasn't too upset. If we'd played that way and lost by the odd goal (as could quite easily have happened on another night) I'd have been livid, as I'm sure the rest of the the 300 odd would have been. Negative tactics generally produce negative results. In some ways I could understand this sort of thing in the premiership if you were talking about a side facing relegation playing one of the top four (i.e. a point away from home could be the difference between staying up and going down, and if with the gulf in class, playing for a draw may be your best bet). However this was Sheffield United we were playing against - the opposite end of the table to us. Would've thought we'd have a go at least, maybe playing N'Guessan up front from the start. After all having someone up front to compete for the ball means it doesn't get chucked straight back towards you - attack best form of defence etc? Swindon1984

1:30pm Mon 16 Dec 13

meadowred says...

unfortunately not at the game but would like to hear about the STFC Players commitment /effort and how many looked like they had played hard for 90 minutes?, surely if the effort was on display we would create chances regardless to the formation and the fans would have been perhaps a bit more positive. Our team has the skill in that division to deliver results but they will need to give 100% to gain 3 points home or away and get all the supporters on side. If the players are not delivering surely its to change a few faces as we have a big squad, call some loan players back and give the others a chance.
unfortunately not at the game but would like to hear about the STFC Players commitment /effort and how many looked like they had played hard for 90 minutes?, surely if the effort was on display we would create chances regardless to the formation and the fans would have been perhaps a bit more positive. Our team has the skill in that division to deliver results but they will need to give 100% to gain 3 points home or away and get all the supporters on side. If the players are not delivering surely its to change a few faces as we have a big squad, call some loan players back and give the others a chance. meadowred

1:34pm Mon 16 Dec 13

STFCTID says...

swindonurock wrote:
I think anything that any supporters do should be viewed in the context of "how does this help my team." The supporters are not called the twelfth man for nothing. Suffice to say that negative chanting does nothing to help any team.

I'd rather have only half-a-dozen away supporters turn up and be cheering Swindon on than hundreds turn up showing that they're idiots with their stupid and negative chanting.

There may be a time and place to vent frustrations, but being negative towards the players when they're actually playing isn't one of them. In fact it disincentives your own team and inspires the opposition.

Seriously, being a player out on the field, and hearing your own so-called supporters being negative doesn't encourage you to do better; it just puts you down even more.

Booing; negative chanting; or otherwise being abusive to one's own team, is not part of being a good supporter. That's called being an idiot.
A perfect example .... do it my way or I will declare you are an idiot !

A closed minded response from someone who doesnt appreciate that people are not all the same.

please, please, please tell me - if the time to vent frustrations isnt during the game ..... when do we get to give our views directly to the players & management?
They certainly are not going to pop over for a chat anytime soon
[quote][p][bold]swindonurock[/bold] wrote: I think anything that any supporters do should be viewed in the context of "how does this help my team." The supporters are not called the twelfth man for nothing. Suffice to say that negative chanting does nothing to help any team. I'd rather have only half-a-dozen away supporters turn up and be cheering Swindon on than hundreds turn up showing that they're idiots with their stupid and negative chanting. There may be a time and place to vent frustrations, but being negative towards the players when they're actually playing isn't one of them. In fact it disincentives your own team and inspires the opposition. Seriously, being a player out on the field, and hearing your own so-called supporters being negative doesn't encourage you to do better; it just puts you down even more. Booing; negative chanting; or otherwise being abusive to one's own team, is not part of being a good supporter. That's called being an idiot.[/p][/quote]A perfect example .... do it my way or I will declare you are an idiot ! A closed minded response from someone who doesnt appreciate that people are not all the same. please, please, please tell me - if the time to vent frustrations isnt during the game ..... when do we get to give our views directly to the players & management? They certainly are not going to pop over for a chat anytime soon STFCTID

1:37pm Mon 16 Dec 13

umpcah says...

Swindon1984 wrote:
port de soller wrote:
There a young team made up of loanees and a large% will go in Jan plus a few more. My God 8th in table that aint so bad is it?????? OK MC does have some strange ways but he has been appointed Boss and although sometimes his plans don´t work out we are at last in the right end of the division
The right end, yes, but doubt you'd sound nearly as positive if you'd travelled up to Sheffield.

Wouldn't boo the team myself (although the "sarcastic chants seemed to be born out of frustration, were not offensive and had a point). Think Cooper would've been better not mentioning this and sticking to discussing the football, a lot of people spent a lot of money Saturday and many feel aggrieved - that's their right.
Good post ! "when the ball arrives in the middle we are often far to slow moving it out wide, and when it does finally arrive the opposition full-backs have often covered any space that our wide players may have found for themselves" I would substitute USUALLY for OFTEN ! I wont suggest ALWAYS !
[quote][p][bold]Swindon1984[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]port de soller[/bold] wrote: There a young team made up of loanees and a large% will go in Jan plus a few more. My God 8th in table that aint so bad is it?????? OK MC does have some strange ways but he has been appointed Boss and although sometimes his plans don´t work out we are at last in the right end of the division[/p][/quote]The right end, yes, but doubt you'd sound nearly as positive if you'd travelled up to Sheffield. Wouldn't boo the team myself (although the "sarcastic chants seemed to be born out of frustration, were not offensive and had a point). Think Cooper would've been better not mentioning this and sticking to discussing the football, a lot of people spent a lot of money Saturday and many feel aggrieved - that's their right.[/p][/quote]Good post ! "when the ball arrives in the middle we are often far to slow moving it out wide, and when it does finally arrive the opposition full-backs have often covered any space that our wide players may have found for themselves" I would substitute USUALLY for OFTEN ! I wont suggest ALWAYS ! umpcah

1:38pm Mon 16 Dec 13

grove red says...

Mr cooper the best form of defence is to attack???
Mr cooper the best form of defence is to attack??? grove red

1:53pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Oi Den! says...

Bassett Hound wrote:
sadgit wrote:
From the match report Cooper states that we are scared to attack other teams when playing away from home.
If that is true (even when playing teams in the bottom 6) we may as well pack it in.
I am really glad I give the away games a miss.
Agree Sadgit, a shocking comment.
To be fair chaps I don't think he said we're scared. In the interview I heard he said we've been scarred by the defeats at Macclesfield and Oldham, where we tried to attack, so we're now trying to play tighter (or words to that effect). To me that seems fair and realistic comment, an acknowledgment of the weaknesses in his squad.
[quote][p][bold]Bassett Hound[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sadgit[/bold] wrote: From the match report Cooper states that we are scared to attack other teams when playing away from home. If that is true (even when playing teams in the bottom 6) we may as well pack it in. I am really glad I give the away games a miss.[/p][/quote]Agree Sadgit, a shocking comment.[/p][/quote]To be fair chaps I don't think he said we're scared. In the interview I heard he said we've been scarred by the defeats at Macclesfield and Oldham, where we tried to attack, so we're now trying to play tighter (or words to that effect). To me that seems fair and realistic comment, an acknowledgment of the weaknesses in his squad. Oi Den!

2:20pm Mon 16 Dec 13

lifelong red says...

the reason m.c plays 4 6 0 away is because of a suspect defence . hall and ward have not gelled and Nathan Thomson is not at his best . yes we need a strong central defender more physic in midfield and more threnat up front but these players do not grow on trees made even more difficult to bring in when working to a tight budget . there are major issues yet to be sorted namely the players on loan here the ones out on loan and the long term injured .looking at the bigger picture we are not doing to bad .8th in the league and 2 games away from Wembley .the football we play at the c.g.has also been a joy to watch .so all in all we should not be to critical .yes maybe Saturday was poor but its only one game
the reason m.c plays 4 6 0 away is because of a suspect defence . hall and ward have not gelled and Nathan Thomson is not at his best . yes we need a strong central defender more physic in midfield and more threnat up front but these players do not grow on trees made even more difficult to bring in when working to a tight budget . there are major issues yet to be sorted namely the players on loan here the ones out on loan and the long term injured .looking at the bigger picture we are not doing to bad .8th in the league and 2 games away from Wembley .the football we play at the c.g.has also been a joy to watch .so all in all we should not be to critical .yes maybe Saturday was poor but its only one game lifelong red

2:30pm Mon 16 Dec 13

ya mums got facial hair says...

Disgrace, shambles and utter bolloxx
You got everything you deserved.
Worst home side I've ever seen.
Worst away shower I've ever seen.
Sort it or pack your bags.
This is getting too predictable now
Disgrace, shambles and utter bolloxx You got everything you deserved. Worst home side I've ever seen. Worst away shower I've ever seen. Sort it or pack your bags. This is getting too predictable now ya mums got facial hair

2:36pm Mon 16 Dec 13

sadgit says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Bassett Hound wrote:
sadgit wrote:
From the match report Cooper states that we are scared to attack other teams when playing away from home.
If that is true (even when playing teams in the bottom 6) we may as well pack it in.
I am really glad I give the away games a miss.
Agree Sadgit, a shocking comment.
To be fair chaps I don't think he said we're scared. In the interview I heard he said we've been scarred by the defeats at Macclesfield and Oldham, where we tried to attack, so we're now trying to play tighter (or words to that effect). To me that seems fair and realistic comment, an acknowledgment of the weaknesses in his squad.
I felt comfortable that we didn’t look as though we were going to concede a goal but we didn’t look like we were going to score a goal. We’re trying to find a balance, having been beaten 4-0 at Macclesfield and getting beaten at Oldham and other places away from home we’re a bit scarred about going out and attacking.

Den
The quote above taken from the match report..
Make of it what you will.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bassett Hound[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sadgit[/bold] wrote: From the match report Cooper states that we are scared to attack other teams when playing away from home. If that is true (even when playing teams in the bottom 6) we may as well pack it in. I am really glad I give the away games a miss.[/p][/quote]Agree Sadgit, a shocking comment.[/p][/quote]To be fair chaps I don't think he said we're scared. In the interview I heard he said we've been scarred by the defeats at Macclesfield and Oldham, where we tried to attack, so we're now trying to play tighter (or words to that effect). To me that seems fair and realistic comment, an acknowledgment of the weaknesses in his squad.[/p][/quote]I felt comfortable that we didn’t look as though we were going to concede a goal but we didn’t look like we were going to score a goal. We’re trying to find a balance, having been beaten 4-0 at Macclesfield and getting beaten at Oldham and other places away from home we’re a bit scarred about going out and attacking. Den The quote above taken from the match report.. Make of it what you will. sadgit

2:53pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Oi Den! says...

Yep. Scarred, not scared. It's not a typo. Maybe the difference is subtle but he seems to be saying the scars of those defeats tell him that we'll get picked off easily if we try to attack away from home, which I agree with.
Yep. Scarred, not scared. It's not a typo. Maybe the difference is subtle but he seems to be saying the scars of those defeats tell him that we'll get picked off easily if we try to attack away from home, which I agree with. Oi Den!

3:07pm Mon 16 Dec 13

ya mums got facial hair says...

Number ones in defence
Number twos in defence
Number threes in defence
Number fours in defence
Number fives in defence
Number six in defence
Number seven in defence
Number eight in defence
Number nine in defence
Number ten in defence
Number eleven in defence.
Number ones in defence Number twos in defence Number threes in defence Number fours in defence Number fives in defence Number six in defence Number seven in defence Number eight in defence Number nine in defence Number ten in defence Number eleven in defence. ya mums got facial hair

3:19pm Mon 16 Dec 13

The Jockster says...

Lifelong- yes it's only one game and so were Preston, Shrews, orient, Crawley, Walsall as well so that's actually 6 in total eh? If it had just been the only off game there wouldn't be the furore there is about a really poor abject performance devoid of any quality.
Where's Lionel? Gone for his flak jkt and tin hat perhaps!

Meadow red if you want to get reaction as to how the players performed look at the posts from those who went on the match day thread - you won't be surprised to read that most folks were very underwhelmed.
Lifelong- yes it's only one game and so were Preston, Shrews, orient, Crawley, Walsall as well so that's actually 6 in total eh? If it had just been the only off game there wouldn't be the furore there is about a really poor abject performance devoid of any quality. Where's Lionel? Gone for his flak jkt and tin hat perhaps! Meadow red if you want to get reaction as to how the players performed look at the posts from those who went on the match day thread - you won't be surprised to read that most folks were very underwhelmed. The Jockster

3:27pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Oi Den! says...

ya mums got facial hair wrote:
Number ones in defence
Number twos in defence
Number threes in defence
Number fours in defence
Number fives in defence
Number six in defence
Number seven in defence
Number eight in defence
Number nine in defence
Number ten in defence
Number eleven in defence.
According to most reports we were number twos in every position on Saturday.
[quote][p][bold]ya mums got facial hair[/bold] wrote: Number ones in defence Number twos in defence Number threes in defence Number fours in defence Number fives in defence Number six in defence Number seven in defence Number eight in defence Number nine in defence Number ten in defence Number eleven in defence.[/p][/quote]According to most reports we were number twos in every position on Saturday. Oi Den!

3:42pm Mon 16 Dec 13

stfc2012 says...

Director of football needs to address this. MC doesn't direct our football, he supervises it. Everyone knows that. He's probably too scared to switch to 442 without Power's blessing. We've been figured out now and need to adapt, but we can't. Paul Hart got much more stick than this so Cooper should be thankful. Playing zero attackers away is not very threatening at all is it? We'd struggle in L2 at this rate.
Director of football needs to address this. MC doesn't direct our football, he supervises it. Everyone knows that. He's probably too scared to switch to 442 without Power's blessing. We've been figured out now and need to adapt, but we can't. Paul Hart got much more stick than this so Cooper should be thankful. Playing zero attackers away is not very threatening at all is it? We'd struggle in L2 at this rate. stfc2012

3:50pm Mon 16 Dec 13

jayden says...

Was it not the ref's fault we lost ?
Was it not the ref's fault we lost ? jayden

3:51pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Robinonfire says...

Coopers plan Z for the Coventry game 11 Goal keepers.
Coopers plan Z for the Coventry game 11 Goal keepers. Robinonfire

4:06pm Mon 16 Dec 13

old town robin says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Yep. Scarred, not scared. It's not a typo. Maybe the difference is subtle but he seems to be saying the scars of those defeats tell him that we'll get picked off easily if we try to attack away from home, which I agree with.
Den, if we were bottom of the league I would probably agree with you that every point would be hard fought for and trying not to concede would be the priority , but being where we are in the league playing so defensive against teams at the bottom we should be annihilating, may well be as a consequence of a defence that make too many mistakes, but it is still a very negative attitude from the coach, who doesn't seem to understand attack is the best way to defend, playing deep and inviting opposition to pummel us with crosses that inevitably lead to conceding headed goals against, it just doesn't make a lot of sense to me to letting opposition to exploit our biggest weakness and usually leads to dropping points to the likes of Sheffield or Oldham by not even trying to compete, it's not the best way he should be setting his team up to play given their strengths and weaknesses.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Yep. Scarred, not scared. It's not a typo. Maybe the difference is subtle but he seems to be saying the scars of those defeats tell him that we'll get picked off easily if we try to attack away from home, which I agree with.[/p][/quote]Den, if we were bottom of the league I would probably agree with you that every point would be hard fought for and trying not to concede would be the priority , but being where we are in the league playing so defensive against teams at the bottom we should be annihilating, may well be as a consequence of a defence that make too many mistakes, but it is still a very negative attitude from the coach, who doesn't seem to understand attack is the best way to defend, playing deep and inviting opposition to pummel us with crosses that inevitably lead to conceding headed goals against, it just doesn't make a lot of sense to me to letting opposition to exploit our biggest weakness and usually leads to dropping points to the likes of Sheffield or Oldham by not even trying to compete, it's not the best way he should be setting his team up to play given their strengths and weaknesses. old town robin

4:29pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Oi Den! says...

Trouble is OTR, it's not just the defence. The midfield has little or no defensive capability. We have gone away and tried to attack teams and we've got stuffed, partly because the midfield is so ineffective when the opposition have the ball. Until Cooper gets the chance to rectify the obvious weaknesses I won't criticise his tactics. If there is any blame to be apportioned it should be laid at Power's door. He's the one who recruited the players and it's his football philosophy that Cooper has to employ. I always prefer to see us playing 4-4-2 but I can't see that it would turn these players into winners away from home. You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.
Trouble is OTR, it's not just the defence. The midfield has little or no defensive capability. We have gone away and tried to attack teams and we've got stuffed, partly because the midfield is so ineffective when the opposition have the ball. Until Cooper gets the chance to rectify the obvious weaknesses I won't criticise his tactics. If there is any blame to be apportioned it should be laid at Power's door. He's the one who recruited the players and it's his football philosophy that Cooper has to employ. I always prefer to see us playing 4-4-2 but I can't see that it would turn these players into winners away from home. You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. Oi Den!

5:03pm Mon 16 Dec 13

We are PANTS says...

sadgit wrote:
From the match report Cooper states that we are scared to attack other teams when playing away from home. If that is true (even when playing teams in the bottom 6) we may as well pack it in. I am really glad I give the away games a miss.
That wasn't the team i saw at Wolves!!!
[quote][p][bold]sadgit[/bold] wrote: From the match report Cooper states that we are scared to attack other teams when playing away from home. If that is true (even when playing teams in the bottom 6) we may as well pack it in. I am really glad I give the away games a miss.[/p][/quote]That wasn't the team i saw at Wolves!!! We are PANTS

5:16pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Swindon1984 says...

We are PANTS wrote:
sadgit wrote: From the match report Cooper states that we are scared to attack other teams when playing away from home. If that is true (even when playing teams in the bottom 6) we may as well pack it in. I am really glad I give the away games a miss.
That wasn't the team i saw at Wolves!!!
Nor me - but from what I've seen that was the best away performance of the season (still some sloppy defending but a lot of heart battling our way back in to give us ourselves at least half a chance).

Unfortunately the Wolves game seems to be the exception rather than the rule for away performances so far this season.
[quote][p][bold]We are PANTS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sadgit[/bold] wrote: From the match report Cooper states that we are scared to attack other teams when playing away from home. If that is true (even when playing teams in the bottom 6) we may as well pack it in. I am really glad I give the away games a miss.[/p][/quote]That wasn't the team i saw at Wolves!!![/p][/quote]Nor me - but from what I've seen that was the best away performance of the season (still some sloppy defending but a lot of heart battling our way back in to give us ourselves at least half a chance). Unfortunately the Wolves game seems to be the exception rather than the rule for away performances so far this season. Swindon1984

5:35pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Is that you Lovesey says...

I don't get it, we play the way we play, we shouldn't be worried about being home or away, we should play our own game, we will win more games away playing how we play at home than playing how we are trying to play with no attackers up front. If we get spanked on the odd occassion so what...... but not having a shot on target and hoping for a 0-0 with our defence is like hoping for Xmas on the 25th of every month, its not going to happen. So if you have a bad defence you need to attack so that its not constantly under pressure..

4-6-0 is the single worst idea I have ever seen, worse than Hart playing 1 up top or KMACs attempt at management.... If we play that way against Cov they will give us a real spanking.
I don't get it, we play the way we play, we shouldn't be worried about being home or away, we should play our own game, we will win more games away playing how we play at home than playing how we are trying to play with no attackers up front. If we get spanked on the odd occassion so what...... but not having a shot on target and hoping for a 0-0 with our defence is like hoping for Xmas on the 25th of every month, its not going to happen. So if you have a bad defence you need to attack so that its not constantly under pressure.. 4-6-0 is the single worst idea I have ever seen, worse than Hart playing 1 up top or KMACs attempt at management.... If we play that way against Cov they will give us a real spanking. Is that you Lovesey

5:45pm Mon 16 Dec 13

mancrobin says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Trouble is OTR, it's not just the defence. The midfield has little or no defensive capability. We have gone away and tried to attack teams and we've got stuffed, partly because the midfield is so ineffective when the opposition have the ball. Until Cooper gets the chance to rectify the obvious weaknesses I won't criticise his tactics. If there is any blame to be apportioned it should be laid at Power's door. He's the one who recruited the players and it's his football philosophy that Cooper has to employ. I always prefer to see us playing 4-4-2 but I can't see that it would turn these players into winners away from home. You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.
Den, you've made a lot of assumptions for someone who wasn't there. I think the lack of bite in midfield has been a problem at times this season but not on Saturday.

The main problem was no alternatives foe Fodders or Ward to offload the ball. Sometimes you can only relieve pressure by using a big target man. We didn't have that option and lost as a result.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Trouble is OTR, it's not just the defence. The midfield has little or no defensive capability. We have gone away and tried to attack teams and we've got stuffed, partly because the midfield is so ineffective when the opposition have the ball. Until Cooper gets the chance to rectify the obvious weaknesses I won't criticise his tactics. If there is any blame to be apportioned it should be laid at Power's door. He's the one who recruited the players and it's his football philosophy that Cooper has to employ. I always prefer to see us playing 4-4-2 but I can't see that it would turn these players into winners away from home. You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.[/p][/quote]Den, you've made a lot of assumptions for someone who wasn't there. I think the lack of bite in midfield has been a problem at times this season but not on Saturday. The main problem was no alternatives foe Fodders or Ward to offload the ball. Sometimes you can only relieve pressure by using a big target man. We didn't have that option and lost as a result. mancrobin

5:50pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Oi Den! says...

manc, no assumptions from me. My post was a general comment about the team. It's been my view all season.
manc, no assumptions from me. My post was a general comment about the team. It's been my view all season. Oi Den!

6:00pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Oxon-Red says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Bassett Hound wrote:
sadgit wrote: From the match report Cooper states that we are scared to attack other teams when playing away from home. If that is true (even when playing teams in the bottom 6) we may as well pack it in. I am really glad I give the away games a miss.
Agree Sadgit, a shocking comment.
To be fair chaps I don't think he said we're scared. In the interview I heard he said we've been scarred by the defeats at Macclesfield and Oldham, where we tried to attack, so we're now trying to play tighter (or words to that effect). To me that seems fair and realistic comment, an acknowledgment of the weaknesses in his squad.
Den,

Agree with almost everything you have written today but would add that the more negative approach has been as a result of conceding goals and is probably a reaction to the criticism received as a result.

As for playing Dany out wide I can see the logic as he is more likely to receive and hold the ball against a fullback as opposed to what are usually two brick outhouse centre halves. He can also be used to attack the far post when the ball is on the other wing.

Need for a midpoint in terms of attack/defensive play IMO.

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bassett Hound[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sadgit[/bold] wrote: From the match report Cooper states that we are scared to attack other teams when playing away from home. If that is true (even when playing teams in the bottom 6) we may as well pack it in. I am really glad I give the away games a miss.[/p][/quote]Agree Sadgit, a shocking comment.[/p][/quote]To be fair chaps I don't think he said we're scared. In the interview I heard he said we've been scarred by the defeats at Macclesfield and Oldham, where we tried to attack, so we're now trying to play tighter (or words to that effect). To me that seems fair and realistic comment, an acknowledgment of the weaknesses in his squad.[/p][/quote]Den, Agree with almost everything you have written today but would add that the more negative approach has been as a result of conceding goals and is probably a reaction to the criticism received as a result. As for playing Dany out wide I can see the logic as he is more likely to receive and hold the ball against a fullback as opposed to what are usually two brick outhouse centre halves. He can also be used to attack the far post when the ball is on the other wing. Need for a midpoint in terms of attack/defensive play IMO. COYMR Oxon-Red

6:22pm Mon 16 Dec 13

The Jockster says...

Come off it Manc I was there on Saturday and Pritchard Mason and Kasim were virtually anonymous - you said as much yourself in your match day post re the latter two if I'm not mistaken? You also thought Pritchard had a reasonable game I think - we'll have to disagree on that one. To pick up on Den's point none of them played the type of defensive role that is expected of most midfielders i.e. they win the ball and in doing so set up another attack. Cooper himself said that our talented midfield gave the ball away far too often, a view I'd concur with especially as Pritchard's diminutive stature makes it virtually impossible for him to win the ball because he gets muscled off it.
Come off it Manc I was there on Saturday and Pritchard Mason and Kasim were virtually anonymous - you said as much yourself in your match day post re the latter two if I'm not mistaken? You also thought Pritchard had a reasonable game I think - we'll have to disagree on that one. To pick up on Den's point none of them played the type of defensive role that is expected of most midfielders i.e. they win the ball and in doing so set up another attack. Cooper himself said that our talented midfield gave the ball away far too often, a view I'd concur with especially as Pritchard's diminutive stature makes it virtually impossible for him to win the ball because he gets muscled off it. The Jockster

7:34pm Mon 16 Dec 13

mick the tetburyred says...

Having been involved in local football both as a player and manager,the philosphy was always to 'play to your strengths',something I feel we are not doing by utilising this 4-6-0 formation.In my opinion our current side contains some very good technical players who's strengths is getting the ball down attacking your opponents and making positive forward passes and runs.However 4-6-0 is stifling our more talented players although certain personnel also need to work alot harder to make it happen!!!.
Typical of the lack of desire at Sheffield and during a rare attack,we had the ball wide left but only ONE player,Nicky Ajose entered the penalty area,marked by SIX big home defenders!!!.
I think the reason most supporters were upset was because although we made changes after going 1-0 down,the formation remained exactly the same despite now chasing the game and with still over 20 minutes remaining!!.So come on Mr Cooper how about a 4-5-1 at Brentford,after all we are really a good team!!!.
Having been involved in local football both as a player and manager,the philosphy was always to 'play to your strengths',something I feel we are not doing by utilising this 4-6-0 formation.In my opinion our current side contains some very good technical players who's strengths is getting the ball down attacking your opponents and making positive forward passes and runs.However 4-6-0 is stifling our more talented players although certain personnel also need to work alot harder to make it happen!!!. Typical of the lack of desire at Sheffield and during a rare attack,we had the ball wide left but only ONE player,Nicky Ajose entered the penalty area,marked by SIX big home defenders!!!. I think the reason most supporters were upset was because although we made changes after going 1-0 down,the formation remained exactly the same despite now chasing the game and with still over 20 minutes remaining!!.So come on Mr Cooper how about a 4-5-1 at Brentford,after all we are really a good team!!!. mick the tetburyred

8:09pm Mon 16 Dec 13

smirg kcab says...

The Jockster wrote:
Come off it Manc I was there on Saturday and Pritchard Mason and Kasim were virtually anonymous - you said as much yourself in your match day post re the latter two if I'm not mistaken? You also thought Pritchard had a reasonable game I think - we'll have to disagree on that one. To pick up on Den's point none of them played the type of defensive role that is expected of most midfielders i.e. they win the ball and in doing so set up another attack. Cooper himself said that our talented midfield gave the ball away far too often, a view I'd concur with especially as Pritchard's diminutive stature makes it virtually impossible for him to win the ball because he gets muscled off it.
Virtually jockster?
Your being a bit soft now.
They were all craap with kasim looking the player before we signed him:
Cooper needs to do his homework on teams, as they got battered by Cambridge the week before.
Only poor teams will get beat by Sheffield.
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: Come off it Manc I was there on Saturday and Pritchard Mason and Kasim were virtually anonymous - you said as much yourself in your match day post re the latter two if I'm not mistaken? You also thought Pritchard had a reasonable game I think - we'll have to disagree on that one. To pick up on Den's point none of them played the type of defensive role that is expected of most midfielders i.e. they win the ball and in doing so set up another attack. Cooper himself said that our talented midfield gave the ball away far too often, a view I'd concur with especially as Pritchard's diminutive stature makes it virtually impossible for him to win the ball because he gets muscled off it.[/p][/quote]Virtually jockster? Your being a bit soft now. They were all craap with kasim looking the player before we signed him: Cooper needs to do his homework on teams, as they got battered by Cambridge the week before. Only poor teams will get beat by Sheffield. smirg kcab

8:29pm Mon 16 Dec 13

The Jockster says...

Ok Grim I concede - forget the virtually bit and yes they were all dire.
Ok Grim I concede - forget the virtually bit and yes they were all dire. The Jockster

8:34pm Mon 16 Dec 13

alchafreds says...

port de soller wrote:
There a young team made up of loanees and a large% will go in Jan plus a few more.
My God 8th in table that aint so bad is it??????
OK MC does have some strange ways but he has been appointed Boss and although sometimes his plans don´t work out we are at last in the right end of the division
i take it you didnt go on saturday then, and also getting fed up with this young team cr4p 22 -23 my son fought for his country at that age
8th in the table we aint beat anybody any good av a word with yourself
[quote][p][bold]port de soller[/bold] wrote: There a young team made up of loanees and a large% will go in Jan plus a few more. My God 8th in table that aint so bad is it?????? OK MC does have some strange ways but he has been appointed Boss and although sometimes his plans don´t work out we are at last in the right end of the division[/p][/quote]i take it you didnt go on saturday then, and also getting fed up with this young team cr4p 22 -23 my son fought for his country at that age 8th in the table we aint beat anybody any good av a word with yourself alchafreds

8:39pm Mon 16 Dec 13

alchafreds says...

swindonurock wrote:
I think anything that any supporters do should be viewed in the context of "how does this help my team." The supporters are not called the twelfth man for nothing. Suffice to say that negative chanting does nothing to help any team.

I'd rather have only half-a-dozen away supporters turn up and be cheering Swindon on than hundreds turn up showing that they're idiots with their stupid and negative chanting.

There may be a time and place to vent frustrations, but being negative towards the players when they're actually playing isn't one of them. In fact it disincentives your own team and inspires the opposition.

Seriously, being a player out on the field, and hearing your own so-called supporters being negative doesn't encourage you to do better; it just puts you down even more.

Booing; negative chanting; or otherwise being abusive to one's own team, is not part of being a good supporter. That's called being an idiot.
really richard !!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]swindonurock[/bold] wrote: I think anything that any supporters do should be viewed in the context of "how does this help my team." The supporters are not called the twelfth man for nothing. Suffice to say that negative chanting does nothing to help any team. I'd rather have only half-a-dozen away supporters turn up and be cheering Swindon on than hundreds turn up showing that they're idiots with their stupid and negative chanting. There may be a time and place to vent frustrations, but being negative towards the players when they're actually playing isn't one of them. In fact it disincentives your own team and inspires the opposition. Seriously, being a player out on the field, and hearing your own so-called supporters being negative doesn't encourage you to do better; it just puts you down even more. Booing; negative chanting; or otherwise being abusive to one's own team, is not part of being a good supporter. That's called being an idiot.[/p][/quote]really richard !!!!!!! alchafreds

8:55pm Mon 16 Dec 13

jayden says...

Zola's gone now .
Zola's gone now . jayden

9:03pm Mon 16 Dec 13

mancrobin says...

The Jockster wrote:
Come off it Manc I was there on Saturday and Pritchard Mason and Kasim were virtually anonymous - you said as much yourself in your match day post re the latter two if I'm not mistaken? You also thought Pritchard had a reasonable game I think - we'll have to disagree on that one. To pick up on Den's point none of them played the type of defensive role that is expected of most midfielders i.e. they win the ball and in doing so set up another attack. Cooper himself said that our talented midfield gave the ball away far too often, a view I'd concur with especially as Pritchard's diminutive stature makes it virtually impossible for him to win the ball because he gets muscled off it.
Jock, agree with some of that but my main point is that I didn't feel it was the midfield that was the fundamental problem. Yes, Kasim had a very poor game and I've no idea what Mason was trying to do as the most advanced player. Having said that Thompson was very good and covered the pitch well, I thought Pritchard looked less lightweight than I've seen him and although it didn't always come off, Mass got himself involved in the game.

The reason they gave the ball away so often was that there was no-one to hold the ball up.

In my view you play one of three ways, hold up and bring others in to play, chase the channels or pass and move. We stuck to the latter all afternoon and Sheffield successfully closed us down. This wasn't such a problem while 0 0 but needed a very different response once we conceded. MC says he went to 4 4 3? Can't say I noticed that and why play N'Guesson wide when brought on is totally beyond me.
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: Come off it Manc I was there on Saturday and Pritchard Mason and Kasim were virtually anonymous - you said as much yourself in your match day post re the latter two if I'm not mistaken? You also thought Pritchard had a reasonable game I think - we'll have to disagree on that one. To pick up on Den's point none of them played the type of defensive role that is expected of most midfielders i.e. they win the ball and in doing so set up another attack. Cooper himself said that our talented midfield gave the ball away far too often, a view I'd concur with especially as Pritchard's diminutive stature makes it virtually impossible for him to win the ball because he gets muscled off it.[/p][/quote]Jock, agree with some of that but my main point is that I didn't feel it was the midfield that was the fundamental problem. Yes, Kasim had a very poor game and I've no idea what Mason was trying to do as the most advanced player. Having said that Thompson was very good and covered the pitch well, I thought Pritchard looked less lightweight than I've seen him and although it didn't always come off, Mass got himself involved in the game. The reason they gave the ball away so often was that there was no-one to hold the ball up. In my view you play one of three ways, hold up and bring others in to play, chase the channels or pass and move. We stuck to the latter all afternoon and Sheffield successfully closed us down. This wasn't such a problem while 0 0 but needed a very different response once we conceded. MC says he went to 4 4 3? Can't say I noticed that and why play N'Guesson wide when brought on is totally beyond me. mancrobin

10:19pm Mon 16 Dec 13

The Jockster says...

Manc I don't think we're that far apart - isn't it a combination of both? Don't we need a bite your legs midfield ball winner - at the moment we've got 2-3 good players on the ball but no one really able to win it back. That coupled with no target man to hold things up as you say causes problems. I think we have to accept that for a variety of reasons Ranger is probably a lost cause so surely D N'G is next best but again as you say not out wide.
Depending on Jan departures I think we should be looking for 1) an old fashioned journeyman centre forward who can hold the ball up ala Ranger 2) a Macca/Ward/Ferry midfielder & 3) again a centre half who is an old fashioned pro who defends first and foremost and clears the danger even if he hits row z.
Incidentally Ward and Hall as I think someone else said did ok but that area definitely needs strengthening still I reckon.
Manc I don't think we're that far apart - isn't it a combination of both? Don't we need a bite your legs midfield ball winner - at the moment we've got 2-3 good players on the ball but no one really able to win it back. That coupled with no target man to hold things up as you say causes problems. I think we have to accept that for a variety of reasons Ranger is probably a lost cause so surely D N'G is next best but again as you say not out wide. Depending on Jan departures I think we should be looking for 1) an old fashioned journeyman centre forward who can hold the ball up ala Ranger 2) a Macca/Ward/Ferry midfielder & 3) again a centre half who is an old fashioned pro who defends first and foremost and clears the danger even if he hits row z. Incidentally Ward and Hall as I think someone else said did ok but that area definitely needs strengthening still I reckon. The Jockster

10:20pm Mon 16 Dec 13

gibbo1012 says...

Our passing game has changed a lot since the early season away games like mk dons, wolves when we were fantastic.

Not sure what the reason is , it's the same players.

Does anyone know why storey not been given a chance.

I was at Sheffield Saturday and it was crying out to go to 442 with nguessan and ajose up top.

Instead he just packed the midfield out so it was so tight we had nowhere to pass to.

I like cooper but we are being so bloody negative away from home now. Not like the all out attack at wolves. Even though we lost.
Our passing game has changed a lot since the early season away games like mk dons, wolves when we were fantastic. Not sure what the reason is , it's the same players. Does anyone know why storey not been given a chance. I was at Sheffield Saturday and it was crying out to go to 442 with nguessan and ajose up top. Instead he just packed the midfield out so it was so tight we had nowhere to pass to. I like cooper but we are being so bloody negative away from home now. Not like the all out attack at wolves. Even though we lost. gibbo1012

10:33pm Mon 16 Dec 13

the wizard says...

Power has only just got himself totally in charge and as good as asked for time to get things better. Club on the verge of near extinction earlier this year, all the big earners shown the door one way or the other, modest squad assembled on the hurry up, 8th in the league and hey-ho, we get beaten and have a bad game and yet once more very predictably the same-old, same -old are out here in force with their doom and gloom. Christ Almighty do some of you actually ever want the club to do well ??????? If we won by 5 goals you would be moaning and saying it should have been 7 or 8. We all knew in June it was going to be a rough season, but you cannot wait to get your knives out. F M !!! Give Cooper and Power a chance will you !!! I would love some of the silken tongued here to apply to Power for the managers job, and see just what sort of response you'd get after your first defeat, and if you would ever have the spherical's to come out on a press conference and give an honest opinion and see the answers written here. Putting your team down if front of the other club, well, there is an advert if ever there was one for this club and the integrity of its supporters,never mind 1-0 score, more like own goal by the Away End. Pretty boys, only like it when the side is winning, never mind the fact that Clough is getting his mis firing team going at home, its was on the cards and only a mis guided well wisher would say we were going to go away and beat them after struggling to beat Stevenage at home. Its been coming for a while, Cooper has his hands tied, we all know that, so why get at him. At least he isn't trying to bankrupt the club, ffs !!!!
Power has only just got himself totally in charge and as good as asked for time to get things better. Club on the verge of near extinction earlier this year, all the big earners shown the door one way or the other, modest squad assembled on the hurry up, 8th in the league and hey-ho, we get beaten and have a bad game and yet once more very predictably the same-old, same -old are out here in force with their doom and gloom. Christ Almighty do some of you actually ever want the club to do well ??????? If we won by 5 goals you would be moaning and saying it should have been 7 or 8. We all knew in June it was going to be a rough season, but you cannot wait to get your knives out. F M !!! Give Cooper and Power a chance will you !!! I would love some of the silken tongued here to apply to Power for the managers job, and see just what sort of response you'd get after your first defeat, and if you would ever have the spherical's to come out on a press conference and give an honest opinion and see the answers written here. Putting your team down if front of the other club, well, there is an advert if ever there was one for this club and the integrity of its supporters,never mind 1-0 score, more like own goal by the Away End. Pretty boys, only like it when the side is winning, never mind the fact that Clough is getting his mis firing team going at home, its was on the cards and only a mis guided well wisher would say we were going to go away and beat them after struggling to beat Stevenage at home. Its been coming for a while, Cooper has his hands tied, we all know that, so why get at him. At least he isn't trying to bankrupt the club, ffs !!!! the wizard

10:49pm Mon 16 Dec 13

joey butler says...

the wizard wrote:
Power has only just got himself totally in charge and as good as asked for time to get things better. Club on the verge of near extinction earlier this year, all the big earners shown the door one way or the other, modest squad assembled on the hurry up, 8th in the league and hey-ho, we get beaten and have a bad game and yet once more very predictably the same-old, same -old are out here in force with their doom and gloom. Christ Almighty do some of you actually ever want the club to do well ??????? If we won by 5 goals you would be moaning and saying it should have been 7 or 8. We all knew in June it was going to be a rough season, but you cannot wait to get your knives out. F M !!! Give Cooper and Power a chance will you !!! I would love some of the silken tongued here to apply to Power for the managers job, and see just what sort of response you'd get after your first defeat, and if you would ever have the spherical's to come out on a press conference and give an honest opinion and see the answers written here. Putting your team down if front of the other club, well, there is an advert if ever there was one for this club and the integrity of its supporters,never mind 1-0 score, more like own goal by the Away End. Pretty boys, only like it when the side is winning, never mind the fact that Clough is getting his mis firing team going at home, its was on the cards and only a mis guided well wisher would say we were going to go away and beat them after struggling to beat Stevenage at home. Its been coming for a while, Cooper has his hands tied, we all know that, so why get at him. At least he isn't trying to bankrupt the club, ffs !!!!
Just checking if your latest rant is over yet Wizard, so that other posters on here can have a say?

Permission to speak sir???
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: Power has only just got himself totally in charge and as good as asked for time to get things better. Club on the verge of near extinction earlier this year, all the big earners shown the door one way or the other, modest squad assembled on the hurry up, 8th in the league and hey-ho, we get beaten and have a bad game and yet once more very predictably the same-old, same -old are out here in force with their doom and gloom. Christ Almighty do some of you actually ever want the club to do well ??????? If we won by 5 goals you would be moaning and saying it should have been 7 or 8. We all knew in June it was going to be a rough season, but you cannot wait to get your knives out. F M !!! Give Cooper and Power a chance will you !!! I would love some of the silken tongued here to apply to Power for the managers job, and see just what sort of response you'd get after your first defeat, and if you would ever have the spherical's to come out on a press conference and give an honest opinion and see the answers written here. Putting your team down if front of the other club, well, there is an advert if ever there was one for this club and the integrity of its supporters,never mind 1-0 score, more like own goal by the Away End. Pretty boys, only like it when the side is winning, never mind the fact that Clough is getting his mis firing team going at home, its was on the cards and only a mis guided well wisher would say we were going to go away and beat them after struggling to beat Stevenage at home. Its been coming for a while, Cooper has his hands tied, we all know that, so why get at him. At least he isn't trying to bankrupt the club, ffs !!!![/p][/quote]Just checking if your latest rant is over yet Wizard, so that other posters on here can have a say? Permission to speak sir??? joey butler

10:59pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Oi Den! says...

Wiz, apart from one or two extreme posts nobody's saying we're in crisis. Most of us are giving Power and Cooper our support. But that doesn't mean everything in the garden's rosy. I disagree with those who criticise Cooper but I'd defend to the hilt their right to air their views. Many no doubt disagree with me about Power's recruitment policy. I maintain that he got it wrong in the summer by not replacing the strength we lost then. This is the third division of English football. We need grit and graft.
Wiz, apart from one or two extreme posts nobody's saying we're in crisis. Most of us are giving Power and Cooper our support. But that doesn't mean everything in the garden's rosy. I disagree with those who criticise Cooper but I'd defend to the hilt their right to air their views. Many no doubt disagree with me about Power's recruitment policy. I maintain that he got it wrong in the summer by not replacing the strength we lost then. This is the third division of English football. We need grit and graft. Oi Den!

11:43pm Mon 16 Dec 13

The Jockster says...

JB - will you be accepting Wizard's F.M. offer?
Wiz got to agree JB is right here rant it certainly was old son!
Most reasoned posters aren't knocking Cooper, they realise the restraints he is operating under, but that doesn't mean they aren't allowed to air their views about what tactics he employs particularly if they've attended a game like Sheffield, spent a load of dosh and travelled for six hours to watch an inept display. Now I fully accept that is their choice but please don't come on here slating them for expressing a view based on what they've seen. If you read the views of those actually there you'll note their is basically general agreement - our much lauded midfield by and large didn't perform and we had no tangible striker apart from Ajose who struggled on his own in the middle - he then brings on D N'G and plays him out wide leaving no one up front in the middle so when we do get a free kick or a corner there's nobody to aim at as a target. I think people are entitled to question such decisions but you clearly don't it seems. You've probably gone to kip now so perhaps the chill pills will kick in and you'll review your remarks in the cold light of day.
JB - will you be accepting Wizard's F.M. offer? Wiz got to agree JB is right here rant it certainly was old son! Most reasoned posters aren't knocking Cooper, they realise the restraints he is operating under, but that doesn't mean they aren't allowed to air their views about what tactics he employs particularly if they've attended a game like Sheffield, spent a load of dosh and travelled for six hours to watch an inept display. Now I fully accept that is their choice but please don't come on here slating them for expressing a view based on what they've seen. If you read the views of those actually there you'll note their is basically general agreement - our much lauded midfield by and large didn't perform and we had no tangible striker apart from Ajose who struggled on his own in the middle - he then brings on D N'G and plays him out wide leaving no one up front in the middle so when we do get a free kick or a corner there's nobody to aim at as a target. I think people are entitled to question such decisions but you clearly don't it seems. You've probably gone to kip now so perhaps the chill pills will kick in and you'll review your remarks in the cold light of day. The Jockster

11:49pm Mon 16 Dec 13

The Jockster says...

Ps yes we are joint 8 the but a similar performance against Coventry won't keep us there will it? You said yourself Stevenage wasn't great? I wasn't there so don't know.
Ps yes we are joint 8 the but a similar performance against Coventry won't keep us there will it? You said yourself Stevenage wasn't great? I wasn't there so don't know. The Jockster

11:55pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Oxon-Red says...

jayden wrote:
Zola's gone now .
Nipped in the Bud :-)
[quote][p][bold]jayden[/bold] wrote: Zola's gone now .[/p][/quote]Nipped in the Bud :-) Oxon-Red

12:05am Tue 17 Dec 13

The Jockster says...

Oxon-Red wrote:
jayden wrote:
Zola's gone now .
Nipped in the Bud :-)
Barefoot in the park !
[quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayden[/bold] wrote: Zola's gone now .[/p][/quote]Nipped in the Bud :-)[/p][/quote]Barefoot in the park ! The Jockster

12:27am Tue 17 Dec 13

Oxon-Red says...

gibbo1012 wrote:
Our passing game has changed a lot since the early season away games like mk dons, wolves when we were fantastic.

Not sure what the reason is , it's the same players.

Does anyone know why storey not been given a chance.

I was at Sheffield Saturday and it was crying out to go to 442 with nguessan and ajose up top.

Instead he just packed the midfield out so it was so tight we had nowhere to pass to.

I like cooper but we are being so bloody negative away from home now. Not like the all out attack at wolves. Even though we lost.
Simple answer, we were apparently conceding too many goals and not picking up points.

I can feel some harmony with Wizard's rant because in many respects it is the same posters now complaining we are too defensive that complained we were conceding too many. Much hilarity, and song even, that we are playing 4-6-0. If we played 4-6-0 we would not have had Ajose on the field or has he now become a midfielder ?

I think there is a probably an answer in between having a go and being ultra cautious. Is 4-4-2 the answer ? Is 4-5-1 with Dany in the centre the answer ? Is 4-5-1 with a compliant Ranger better ? How about 4-3-3 with Ranger, Ajose and Dany !

No plan B ? Laughable really when we have apparently (according to other posters) seen 4-4-2, 4-5-1, 4-1-4-1, 4-3-3 and 4-6-0 already. I did post after Colchester when the formation they played on Saturday worked that they should mix it up, we have kept the same for 4 matches.

Keep the opponents guessing IMO. Unlike Paolo we have different formations but we could do with the detailed weakness identification his team brought.

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]gibbo1012[/bold] wrote: Our passing game has changed a lot since the early season away games like mk dons, wolves when we were fantastic. Not sure what the reason is , it's the same players. Does anyone know why storey not been given a chance. I was at Sheffield Saturday and it was crying out to go to 442 with nguessan and ajose up top. Instead he just packed the midfield out so it was so tight we had nowhere to pass to. I like cooper but we are being so bloody negative away from home now. Not like the all out attack at wolves. Even though we lost.[/p][/quote]Simple answer, we were apparently conceding too many goals and not picking up points. I can feel some harmony with Wizard's rant because in many respects it is the same posters now complaining we are too defensive that complained we were conceding too many. Much hilarity, and song even, that we are playing 4-6-0. If we played 4-6-0 we would not have had Ajose on the field or has he now become a midfielder ? I think there is a probably an answer in between having a go and being ultra cautious. Is 4-4-2 the answer ? Is 4-5-1 with Dany in the centre the answer ? Is 4-5-1 with a compliant Ranger better ? How about 4-3-3 with Ranger, Ajose and Dany ! No plan B ? Laughable really when we have apparently (according to other posters) seen 4-4-2, 4-5-1, 4-1-4-1, 4-3-3 and 4-6-0 already. I did post after Colchester when the formation they played on Saturday worked that they should mix it up, we have kept the same for 4 matches. Keep the opponents guessing IMO. Unlike Paolo we have different formations but we could do with the detailed weakness identification his team brought. COYMR Oxon-Red

12:28am Tue 17 Dec 13

Oxon-Red says...

The Jockster wrote:
Oxon-Red wrote:
jayden wrote:
Zola's gone now .
Nipped in the Bud :-)
Barefoot in the park !
:-)
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayden[/bold] wrote: Zola's gone now .[/p][/quote]Nipped in the Bud :-)[/p][/quote]Barefoot in the park ![/p][/quote]:-) Oxon-Red

12:48am Tue 17 Dec 13

the wizard says...

Jock, its not a matter of slagging people off, but the guy has done well up till now and I dare say there are reasons behind him doing what he did. He doesn't have to explain everything to us, but to see the guy savaged on here for getting us where he has under the circumstances and restraints I do think some the criticism is unjust. We all scuff up, nobody does it deliberately, we are all human. I do feel that if you went to Sheffield and expected to win against an improving side with an experienced manager such as Clough then tbh you had your sights set very high given our recent form. Yes, I am aware of traveling costs and all the add-on's, but surely at the end of the day you go to SUPPORT your team.
I'm sure that when the players came off the pitch they were equally sorry for their part in what at best could be described as a bad performance and one to forget, we all have off days. Anyway, I'm looking forward with some amount of trepidation to what the transfer window can bring, as like the rest, I don't want Fodders to go. That said, it looks like Hoddle may be in the mix at WHL for the vacancy so with some element of luck, LP may be able to shuffle the pack and freshen up the team. Onwards it is, and Saturdays game should be consigned to the memory dump as soon as, and it won't be alone down there as we have had a few others over the last couple of seasons or so. Just ask yourself this, how long did it take Slade to rebuild at L.O, it wasn't overnight.
Jock, its not a matter of slagging people off, but the guy has done well up till now and I dare say there are reasons behind him doing what he did. He doesn't have to explain everything to us, but to see the guy savaged on here for getting us where he has under the circumstances and restraints I do think some the criticism is unjust. We all scuff up, nobody does it deliberately, we are all human. I do feel that if you went to Sheffield and expected to win against an improving side with an experienced manager such as Clough then tbh you had your sights set very high given our recent form. Yes, I am aware of traveling costs and all the add-on's, but surely at the end of the day you go to SUPPORT your team. I'm sure that when the players came off the pitch they were equally sorry for their part in what at best could be described as a bad performance and one to forget, we all have off days. Anyway, I'm looking forward with some amount of trepidation to what the transfer window can bring, as like the rest, I don't want Fodders to go. That said, it looks like Hoddle may be in the mix at WHL for the vacancy so with some element of luck, LP may be able to shuffle the pack and freshen up the team. Onwards it is, and Saturdays game should be consigned to the memory dump as soon as, and it won't be alone down there as we have had a few others over the last couple of seasons or so. Just ask yourself this, how long did it take Slade to rebuild at L.O, it wasn't overnight. the wizard

4:04am Tue 17 Dec 13

ging999 says...

joey butler wrote:
the wizard wrote:
Power has only just got himself totally in charge and as good as asked for time to get things better. Club on the verge of near extinction earlier this year, all the big earners shown the door one way or the other, modest squad assembled on the hurry up, 8th in the league and hey-ho, we get beaten and have a bad game and yet once more very predictably the same-old, same -old are out here in force with their doom and gloom. Christ Almighty do some of you actually ever want the club to do well ??????? If we won by 5 goals you would be moaning and saying it should have been 7 or 8. We all knew in June it was going to be a rough season, but you cannot wait to get your knives out. F M !!! Give Cooper and Power a chance will you !!! I would love some of the silken tongued here to apply to Power for the managers job, and see just what sort of response you'd get after your first defeat, and if you would ever have the spherical's to come out on a press conference and give an honest opinion and see the answers written here. Putting your team down if front of the other club, well, there is an advert if ever there was one for this club and the integrity of its supporters,never mind 1-0 score, more like own goal by the Away End. Pretty boys, only like it when the side is winning, never mind the fact that Clough is getting his mis firing team going at home, its was on the cards and only a mis guided well wisher would say we were going to go away and beat them after struggling to beat Stevenage at home. Its been coming for a while, Cooper has his hands tied, we all know that, so why get at him. At least he isn't trying to bankrupt the club, ffs !!!!
Just checking if your latest rant is over yet Wizard, so that other posters on here can have a say?

Permission to speak sir???
K N O B.
[quote][p][bold]joey butler[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: Power has only just got himself totally in charge and as good as asked for time to get things better. Club on the verge of near extinction earlier this year, all the big earners shown the door one way or the other, modest squad assembled on the hurry up, 8th in the league and hey-ho, we get beaten and have a bad game and yet once more very predictably the same-old, same -old are out here in force with their doom and gloom. Christ Almighty do some of you actually ever want the club to do well ??????? If we won by 5 goals you would be moaning and saying it should have been 7 or 8. We all knew in June it was going to be a rough season, but you cannot wait to get your knives out. F M !!! Give Cooper and Power a chance will you !!! I would love some of the silken tongued here to apply to Power for the managers job, and see just what sort of response you'd get after your first defeat, and if you would ever have the spherical's to come out on a press conference and give an honest opinion and see the answers written here. Putting your team down if front of the other club, well, there is an advert if ever there was one for this club and the integrity of its supporters,never mind 1-0 score, more like own goal by the Away End. Pretty boys, only like it when the side is winning, never mind the fact that Clough is getting his mis firing team going at home, its was on the cards and only a mis guided well wisher would say we were going to go away and beat them after struggling to beat Stevenage at home. Its been coming for a while, Cooper has his hands tied, we all know that, so why get at him. At least he isn't trying to bankrupt the club, ffs !!!![/p][/quote]Just checking if your latest rant is over yet Wizard, so that other posters on here can have a say? Permission to speak sir???[/p][/quote]K N O B. ging999

7:40am Tue 17 Dec 13

Oi Den! says...

Oxon-Red wrote:
The Jockster wrote:
Oxon-Red wrote:
jayden wrote:
Zola's gone now .
Nipped in the Bud :-)
Barefoot in the park !
:-)
Clearly his race has been run. With his bad luck he could collide with a (double) decker on his way out of Vicarage Road.
[quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayden[/bold] wrote: Zola's gone now .[/p][/quote]Nipped in the Bud :-)[/p][/quote]Barefoot in the park ![/p][/quote]:-)[/p][/quote]Clearly his race has been run. With his bad luck he could collide with a (double) decker on his way out of Vicarage Road. Oi Den!

7:51am Tue 17 Dec 13

mancrobin says...

The Jockster wrote:
Manc I don't think we're that far apart - isn't it a combination of both? Don't we need a bite your legs midfield ball winner - at the moment we've got 2-3 good players on the ball but no one really able to win it back. That coupled with no target man to hold things up as you say causes problems. I think we have to accept that for a variety of reasons Ranger is probably a lost cause so surely D N'G is next best but again as you say not out wide.
Depending on Jan departures I think we should be looking for 1) an old fashioned journeyman centre forward who can hold the ball up ala Ranger 2) a Macca/Ward/Ferry midfielder & 3) again a centre half who is an old fashioned pro who defends first and foremost and clears the danger even if he hits row z.
Incidentally Ward and Hall as I think someone else said did ok but that area definitely needs strengthening still I reckon.
Agree with all of that Jock.
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: Manc I don't think we're that far apart - isn't it a combination of both? Don't we need a bite your legs midfield ball winner - at the moment we've got 2-3 good players on the ball but no one really able to win it back. That coupled with no target man to hold things up as you say causes problems. I think we have to accept that for a variety of reasons Ranger is probably a lost cause so surely D N'G is next best but again as you say not out wide. Depending on Jan departures I think we should be looking for 1) an old fashioned journeyman centre forward who can hold the ball up ala Ranger 2) a Macca/Ward/Ferry midfielder & 3) again a centre half who is an old fashioned pro who defends first and foremost and clears the danger even if he hits row z. Incidentally Ward and Hall as I think someone else said did ok but that area definitely needs strengthening still I reckon.[/p][/quote]Agree with all of that Jock. mancrobin

9:12am Tue 17 Dec 13

The Jockster says...

Wiz I'm sorry but I believe you are over reacting we've all (or most) lauded Cooper for his efforts. In response to a question from Dazza I replied that the transition could well take another couple of seasons at least and that we'd do well to stay up- I still stand by that. IF( that big little word) we aren't able to strengthen the team in January along the lines I've said in reply to Manc then we're clearly going to struggle aren't we? especially if we lose Wes Luongo and Mason for example.
Now that wouldn't be Coopers fault Power has to take responsibility there but on match days the buck stops with MC. Again I'll defend him by saying once the players cross the white line it's down to them to perform but I'll also say again fans have every right to question the tactics employed and ask why didn't he do this or that to change things around if it's not working.
Wiz I'm sorry but I believe you are over reacting we've all (or most) lauded Cooper for his efforts. In response to a question from Dazza I replied that the transition could well take another couple of seasons at least and that we'd do well to stay up- I still stand by that. IF( that big little word) we aren't able to strengthen the team in January along the lines I've said in reply to Manc then we're clearly going to struggle aren't we? especially if we lose Wes Luongo and Mason for example. Now that wouldn't be Coopers fault Power has to take responsibility there but on match days the buck stops with MC. Again I'll defend him by saying once the players cross the white line it's down to them to perform but I'll also say again fans have every right to question the tactics employed and ask why didn't he do this or that to change things around if it's not working. The Jockster

9:58am Tue 17 Dec 13

the wizard says...

The Jockster wrote:
Wiz I'm sorry but I believe you are over reacting we've all (or most) lauded Cooper for his efforts. In response to a question from Dazza I replied that the transition could well take another couple of seasons at least and that we'd do well to stay up- I still stand by that. IF( that big little word) we aren't able to strengthen the team in January along the lines I've said in reply to Manc then we're clearly going to struggle aren't we? especially if we lose Wes Luongo and Mason for example.
Now that wouldn't be Coopers fault Power has to take responsibility there but on match days the buck stops with MC. Again I'll defend him by saying once the players cross the white line it's down to them to perform but I'll also say again fans have every right to question the tactics employed and ask why didn't he do this or that to change things around if it's not working.
Jock, It wasn't you specifically that I was addressing. A few come out of the woodwork when it suits, usually after a defeat. they don't take the club as seriously as many, but they just love to hone their knives on somebody 's back before plunging it in. They don't attend so many games home or away in comparison with some dedicated to the bone guys such as yourself, and they don't understand the finer points of what is evolving here, and more importantly the shear weight of what has gone on over the last year or so, and just how close the club came to possible extinction. I think most core supporters see Jed as a bit of a chancer, maybe he is, maybe he isn't, fact is he got people on board and we are still here in L1 with a club and a team today, looking to go forward, but with limited resources. Horses for courses, maybe PDC was needed for what he did, and Cooper seems to be the man of the moment right now. I cannot see many other "professional" managers working in the manner that he is playing second fiddle to Power. Just take a look back to the earlier posts on the thread and look at the names, you only have to scroll through. Anyway onwards and maybe upwards, and I've got to go, physio lady requires my attendance, a strong willed person, I don't think many dare sell her short. Laters maybe.
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: Wiz I'm sorry but I believe you are over reacting we've all (or most) lauded Cooper for his efforts. In response to a question from Dazza I replied that the transition could well take another couple of seasons at least and that we'd do well to stay up- I still stand by that. IF( that big little word) we aren't able to strengthen the team in January along the lines I've said in reply to Manc then we're clearly going to struggle aren't we? especially if we lose Wes Luongo and Mason for example. Now that wouldn't be Coopers fault Power has to take responsibility there but on match days the buck stops with MC. Again I'll defend him by saying once the players cross the white line it's down to them to perform but I'll also say again fans have every right to question the tactics employed and ask why didn't he do this or that to change things around if it's not working.[/p][/quote]Jock, It wasn't you specifically that I was addressing. A few come out of the woodwork when it suits, usually after a defeat. they don't take the club as seriously as many, but they just love to hone their knives on somebody 's back before plunging it in. They don't attend so many games home or away in comparison with some dedicated to the bone guys such as yourself, and they don't understand the finer points of what is evolving here, and more importantly the shear weight of what has gone on over the last year or so, and just how close the club came to possible extinction. I think most core supporters see Jed as a bit of a chancer, maybe he is, maybe he isn't, fact is he got people on board and we are still here in L1 with a club and a team today, looking to go forward, but with limited resources. Horses for courses, maybe PDC was needed for what he did, and Cooper seems to be the man of the moment right now. I cannot see many other "professional" managers working in the manner that he is playing second fiddle to Power. Just take a look back to the earlier posts on the thread and look at the names, you only have to scroll through. Anyway onwards and maybe upwards, and I've got to go, physio lady requires my attendance, a strong willed person, I don't think many dare sell her short. Laters maybe. the wizard

1:44pm Tue 17 Dec 13

buckobassettboy says...

I must be missing something in my older years-I part with my money at the turnstile in the hope that-win or lose-I will be entertained by my team.I was very pro-active when PDC was in the seat and irrespective of what was going on behind the scenes-he did his job.There were a few blips on the way-but at least we tried to win.Cooper has started to play this formation after the match at Colchester.It worked there because Colchester had no idea whatsoever on how to break down this system.Notts County took them apart on Saturday and look where they are in the league.Cooper must be so stupid and naive to think that other teams in our league will have not thought it through.N'Guessan played from the off at Colchester and ran his socks off and got the goal he deserved-yet now seems to be a permanent sub.As far as I am concerned it is Cooper who dictates the tactics-nobody else.That is the case until some shows me concrete proof-not assumption or speculation-that Power is making the team selection and dictating tactics.500 ripped off at Sheffield-a non effort by the coach and team-same at Crawley.All the boo boys at Sheffield-good on ya-how else are you supposed to show your displeasure at wasting your hard earned cash.
I must be missing something in my older years-I part with my money at the turnstile in the hope that-win or lose-I will be entertained by my team.I was very pro-active when PDC was in the seat and irrespective of what was going on behind the scenes-he did his job.There were a few blips on the way-but at least we tried to win.Cooper has started to play this formation after the match at Colchester.It worked there because Colchester had no idea whatsoever on how to break down this system.Notts County took them apart on Saturday and look where they are in the league.Cooper must be so stupid and naive to think that other teams in our league will have not thought it through.N'Guessan played from the off at Colchester and ran his socks off and got the goal he deserved-yet now seems to be a permanent sub.As far as I am concerned it is Cooper who dictates the tactics-nobody else.That is the case until some shows me concrete proof-not assumption or speculation-that Power is making the team selection and dictating tactics.500 ripped off at Sheffield-a non effort by the coach and team-same at Crawley.All the boo boys at Sheffield-good on ya-how else are you supposed to show your displeasure at wasting your hard earned cash. buckobassettboy

1:59pm Tue 17 Dec 13

LeGod says...

Why is it we go to a team that have been struggling all season that are fifth from bottom of the league and we play a defensive formation.
We should have gone for the jugular from the start and put them under presssure bacuse their crowd would have turned on them straight away. We were a team in 7th pushing for a play off spot (or are we seriously in cuckoo land thinking that) playing a team that has just come out of the bottom four. We have lost 8 games already and all the games we have lost have been really poor performances. We seem to be a team that blow hot and cold and ok Cooper said that will happen with young players so if thats the case please can we get a couple of experienced players in that know the ropes.
I have no confidence in us picking up many away points what so ever which im sure alot of other fans think as well as our away following has dropped dramatically.
Tactics need to be changed away from home you may as well lose 5-0 as 1-0 as its three points were playing for so id rather go for the jugular from the off rather than sit back.
Why is it we go to a team that have been struggling all season that are fifth from bottom of the league and we play a defensive formation. We should have gone for the jugular from the start and put them under presssure bacuse their crowd would have turned on them straight away. We were a team in 7th pushing for a play off spot (or are we seriously in cuckoo land thinking that) playing a team that has just come out of the bottom four. We have lost 8 games already and all the games we have lost have been really poor performances. We seem to be a team that blow hot and cold and ok Cooper said that will happen with young players so if thats the case please can we get a couple of experienced players in that know the ropes. I have no confidence in us picking up many away points what so ever which im sure alot of other fans think as well as our away following has dropped dramatically. Tactics need to be changed away from home you may as well lose 5-0 as 1-0 as its three points were playing for so id rather go for the jugular from the off rather than sit back. LeGod

2:47pm Tue 17 Dec 13

lifelong red says...

lots of moans and groans here today oh by the way I owe jockster an apology your right of course it is 6 poor performances oops so its 6 bad games from 20 games played not a bad ratio though for a young team only assembled a few months ago
lots of moans and groans here today oh by the way I owe jockster an apology your right of course it is 6 poor performances oops so its 6 bad games from 20 games played not a bad ratio though for a young team only assembled a few months ago lifelong red

3:53pm Tue 17 Dec 13

dazzastfc says...

lifelong red wrote:
lots of moans and groans here today oh by the way I owe jockster an apology your right of course it is 6 poor performances oops so its 6 bad games from 20 games played not a bad ratio though for a young team only assembled a few months ago
Dont know were you got 6 from 20 BUT
8 loses and 3 draws is 11...

Anything apart from a WIN is a bad performance IN MY EYES AS A WIN GETS YOU PROMOTION ..
A draw is not bad at times but any lose IS BAD..
So if you are happy with 9 wins in 20 then thats fine
[quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: lots of moans and groans here today oh by the way I owe jockster an apology your right of course it is 6 poor performances oops so its 6 bad games from 20 games played not a bad ratio though for a young team only assembled a few months ago[/p][/quote]Dont know were you got 6 from 20 BUT 8 loses and 3 draws is 11... Anything apart from a WIN is a bad performance IN MY EYES AS A WIN GETS YOU PROMOTION .. A draw is not bad at times but any lose IS BAD.. So if you are happy with 9 wins in 20 then thats fine dazzastfc

4:41pm Tue 17 Dec 13

lifelong red says...

dazzastfc wrote:
lifelong red wrote:
lots of moans and groans here today oh by the way I owe jockster an apology your right of course it is 6 poor performances oops so its 6 bad games from 20 games played not a bad ratio though for a young team only assembled a few months ago
Dont know were you got 6 from 20 BUT
8 loses and 3 draws is 11...

Anything apart from a WIN is a bad performance IN MY EYES AS A WIN GETS YOU PROMOTION ..
A draw is not bad at times but any lose IS BAD..
So if you are happy with 9 wins in 20 then thats fine
were talking performances not results here wolves away we lost but a good performance none the less
[quote][p][bold]dazzastfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: lots of moans and groans here today oh by the way I owe jockster an apology your right of course it is 6 poor performances oops so its 6 bad games from 20 games played not a bad ratio though for a young team only assembled a few months ago[/p][/quote]Dont know were you got 6 from 20 BUT 8 loses and 3 draws is 11... Anything apart from a WIN is a bad performance IN MY EYES AS A WIN GETS YOU PROMOTION .. A draw is not bad at times but any lose IS BAD.. So if you are happy with 9 wins in 20 then thats fine[/p][/quote]were talking performances not results here wolves away we lost but a good performance none the less lifelong red

5:26pm Tue 17 Dec 13

dazzastfc says...

lifelong red wrote:
dazzastfc wrote:
lifelong red wrote:
lots of moans and groans here today oh by the way I owe jockster an apology your right of course it is 6 poor performances oops so its 6 bad games from 20 games played not a bad ratio though for a young team only assembled a few months ago
Dont know were you got 6 from 20 BUT
8 loses and 3 draws is 11...

Anything apart from a WIN is a bad performance IN MY EYES AS A WIN GETS YOU PROMOTION ..
A draw is not bad at times but any lose IS BAD..
So if you are happy with 9 wins in 20 then thats fine
were talking performances not results here wolves away we lost but a good performance none the less
So you can pick 1 game were you was happy to
see use lose !!!! VERY STRANGE as a good performance mean nothing if you lose as football is all about the final result and the points NOT THE PERFORMANCE..
BUT AS I SAID if your happy with that then thats fine..
I WOULD RATHER WE PLAY CRAP AND WIN but thats my choice as i wont to see STFC in the highest division as possible..
[quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dazzastfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: lots of moans and groans here today oh by the way I owe jockster an apology your right of course it is 6 poor performances oops so its 6 bad games from 20 games played not a bad ratio though for a young team only assembled a few months ago[/p][/quote]Dont know were you got 6 from 20 BUT 8 loses and 3 draws is 11... Anything apart from a WIN is a bad performance IN MY EYES AS A WIN GETS YOU PROMOTION .. A draw is not bad at times but any lose IS BAD.. So if you are happy with 9 wins in 20 then thats fine[/p][/quote]were talking performances not results here wolves away we lost but a good performance none the less[/p][/quote]So you can pick 1 game were you was happy to see use lose !!!! VERY STRANGE as a good performance mean nothing if you lose as football is all about the final result and the points NOT THE PERFORMANCE.. BUT AS I SAID if your happy with that then thats fine.. I WOULD RATHER WE PLAY CRAP AND WIN but thats my choice as i wont to see STFC in the highest division as possible.. dazzastfc

6:20pm Tue 17 Dec 13

The Jockster says...

Le God & bucko I'd generally agree with both your assessments- if we are going to lose then let's lose having a go. This 460 formation came in after the chuckle brothers at the back leaking a hatful of goals between them and yes it worked at Colchester but as has been said they are a very poor side as evidenced v notts c.
Agree that tactics are Cooper's domain and he ought to try and mix it up a bit more I feel - don't agree with the boo boy comment - don't recall hearing any at blades - but could sympathise with "in defence & a 'effin' shot" due to the frustrating actions on the pitch.
Le God & bucko I'd generally agree with both your assessments- if we are going to lose then let's lose having a go. This 460 formation came in after the chuckle brothers at the back leaking a hatful of goals between them and yes it worked at Colchester but as has been said they are a very poor side as evidenced v notts c. Agree that tactics are Cooper's domain and he ought to try and mix it up a bit more I feel - don't agree with the boo boy comment - don't recall hearing any at blades - but could sympathise with "in defence & a 'effin' shot" due to the frustrating actions on the pitch. The Jockster

8:15pm Tue 17 Dec 13

lifelong red says...

dazzastfc wrote:
lifelong red wrote:
dazzastfc wrote:
lifelong red wrote:
lots of moans and groans here today oh by the way I owe jockster an apology your right of course it is 6 poor performances oops so its 6 bad games from 20 games played not a bad ratio though for a young team only assembled a few months ago
Dont know were you got 6 from 20 BUT
8 loses and 3 draws is 11...

Anything apart from a WIN is a bad performance IN MY EYES AS A WIN GETS YOU PROMOTION ..
A draw is not bad at times but any lose IS BAD..
So if you are happy with 9 wins in 20 then thats fine
were talking performances not results here wolves away we lost but a good performance none the less
So you can pick 1 game were you was happy to
see use lose !!!! VERY STRANGE as a good performance mean nothing if you lose as football is all about the final result and the points NOT THE PERFORMANCE..
BUT AS I SAID if your happy with that then thats fine..
I WOULD RATHER WE PLAY CRAP AND WIN but thats my choice as i wont to see STFC in the highest division as possible..
we all do at the end of the day mate
[quote][p][bold]dazzastfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dazzastfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: lots of moans and groans here today oh by the way I owe jockster an apology your right of course it is 6 poor performances oops so its 6 bad games from 20 games played not a bad ratio though for a young team only assembled a few months ago[/p][/quote]Dont know were you got 6 from 20 BUT 8 loses and 3 draws is 11... Anything apart from a WIN is a bad performance IN MY EYES AS A WIN GETS YOU PROMOTION .. A draw is not bad at times but any lose IS BAD.. So if you are happy with 9 wins in 20 then thats fine[/p][/quote]were talking performances not results here wolves away we lost but a good performance none the less[/p][/quote]So you can pick 1 game were you was happy to see use lose !!!! VERY STRANGE as a good performance mean nothing if you lose as football is all about the final result and the points NOT THE PERFORMANCE.. BUT AS I SAID if your happy with that then thats fine.. I WOULD RATHER WE PLAY CRAP AND WIN but thats my choice as i wont to see STFC in the highest division as possible..[/p][/quote]we all do at the end of the day mate lifelong red

8:18pm Tue 17 Dec 13

lifelong red says...

lifelong red wrote:
dazzastfc wrote:
lifelong red wrote:
dazzastfc wrote:
lifelong red wrote:
lots of moans and groans here today oh by the way I owe jockster an apology your right of course it is 6 poor performances oops so its 6 bad games from 20 games played not a bad ratio though for a young team only assembled a few months ago
Dont know were you got 6 from 20 BUT
8 loses and 3 draws is 11...

Anything apart from a WIN is a bad performance IN MY EYES AS A WIN GETS YOU PROMOTION ..
A draw is not bad at times but any lose IS BAD..
So if you are happy with 9 wins in 20 then thats fine
were talking performances not results here wolves away we lost but a good performance none the less
So you can pick 1 game were you was happy to
see use lose !!!! VERY STRANGE as a good performance mean nothing if you lose as football is all about the final result and the points NOT THE PERFORMANCE..
BUT AS I SAID if your happy with that then thats fine..
I WOULD RATHER WE PLAY CRAP AND WIN but thats my choice as i wont to see STFC in the highest division as possible..
we all do at the end of the day mate
we all do at the end of the day mate
[quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dazzastfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dazzastfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: lots of moans and groans here today oh by the way I owe jockster an apology your right of course it is 6 poor performances oops so its 6 bad games from 20 games played not a bad ratio though for a young team only assembled a few months ago[/p][/quote]Dont know were you got 6 from 20 BUT 8 loses and 3 draws is 11... Anything apart from a WIN is a bad performance IN MY EYES AS A WIN GETS YOU PROMOTION .. A draw is not bad at times but any lose IS BAD.. So if you are happy with 9 wins in 20 then thats fine[/p][/quote]were talking performances not results here wolves away we lost but a good performance none the less[/p][/quote]So you can pick 1 game were you was happy to see use lose !!!! VERY STRANGE as a good performance mean nothing if you lose as football is all about the final result and the points NOT THE PERFORMANCE.. BUT AS I SAID if your happy with that then thats fine.. I WOULD RATHER WE PLAY CRAP AND WIN but thats my choice as i wont to see STFC in the highest division as possible..[/p][/quote]we all do at the end of the day mate[/p][/quote]we all do at the end of the day mate lifelong red

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