SWINDON TOWN: Ranger set for Town return

Swindon Advertiser: Nile Ranger looks set to be involved in the Swindon Town matchday squad for the visit of Coventry tomorrow Nile Ranger looks set to be involved in the Swindon Town matchday squad for the visit of Coventry tomorrow

NILE Ranger will play a part in Swindon Town’s clash with Coventry City tomorrow, providing he can keep himself out of trouble for the next 24 hours.

The enigmatic striker, whose recent absences from training have driven Town manager Mark Cooper to despair, has an unblemished attendance record this week and if that continues the former Newcastle man could well lead the Swindon frontline for the visit of the Sky Blues.

Given Ranger’s well-documented past, however, Cooper is in no place to pick his team too far in advance of Saturday’s 3pm kick-off.

When asked by the Advertiser whether he had a target man available to him this weekend, Cooper said: “We’ve got one in the building that so far this week has been a good boy and I wouldn’t really class the others as target men.

“I certainly hope he’ll be involved but it’s a long time in Nile’s life between now and Saturday.

“We’re trying to get him to behave like a normal human being and get the best out of him.”

Ranger, who is due to go on trial on a rape charge on January 20, has scored six goals in 17 appearances for Town since signing a one-year contract at the County Ground over the summer.

He was dropped from the Swindon squad after missing a number of training sessions last month but returned as a substitute in the 3-1 victory over Carlisle on November 30.

Since then, however, Ranger’s indiscipline has reared its ugly head once again and he was omitted from the party which travelled to Sheffield last weekend.

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6:28am Fri 20 Dec 13

Brainy_G93 says...

If he can't go 24hrs without getting into trouble, surely he has to go.
If he can't go 24hrs without getting into trouble, surely he has to go. Brainy_G93

7:03am Fri 20 Dec 13

Howler72 says...

Brainy_G93 wrote:
If he can't go 24hrs without getting into trouble, surely he has to go.
This report reminds me about my wife and my youngest son and whether he'll be allowed to go and watch the game tomorrow, not our leading striker!
[quote][p][bold]Brainy_G93[/bold] wrote: If he can't go 24hrs without getting into trouble, surely he has to go.[/p][/quote]This report reminds me about my wife and my youngest son and whether he'll be allowed to go and watch the game tomorrow, not our leading striker! Howler72

7:05am Fri 20 Dec 13

jayden says...

He's been keeping a low profile this week only one bad day but that was not his fault .Maybe he as taken his gran's advice .
He's been keeping a low profile this week only one bad day but that was not his fault .Maybe he as taken his gran's advice . jayden

7:14am Fri 20 Dec 13

stfc2012 says...

I hope he stays out of trouble and that he is found not guilty - if in fact he is not guilty. But old habits did hard. I wish our club was the one that turns him round but really its down to him now.
I hope he stays out of trouble and that he is found not guilty - if in fact he is not guilty. But old habits did hard. I wish our club was the one that turns him round but really its down to him now. stfc2012

7:24am Fri 20 Dec 13

pastor_of_muppets says...

I've got an unblemished attendance record too! Only differences between Nile and myself, I suppose, is that I'm not doing my dream job, I don't get paid very much, I'm a single father of two, and my unblemished record stretches five years. But well done Nile, a whole week! Maybe you aren't a chav moron afterall!
I've got an unblemished attendance record too! Only differences between Nile and myself, I suppose, is that I'm not doing my dream job, I don't get paid very much, I'm a single father of two, and my unblemished record stretches five years. But well done Nile, a whole week! Maybe you aren't a chav moron afterall! pastor_of_muppets

7:38am Fri 20 Dec 13

Warwickshire Red says...

Does anyone get the impression that MC really dislikes Ranger? He has been almost personal in his scathing comments that I am sure many would have picked up on if they had been the words of a mad Italian.
Does anyone get the impression that MC really dislikes Ranger? He has been almost personal in his scathing comments that I am sure many would have picked up on if they had been the words of a mad Italian. Warwickshire Red

7:40am Fri 20 Dec 13

avo says...

I don't think theres anything particularly scathing in his comments to date, but I do think its almost impossible for the guy to remain silent on the issue.
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If you're looking for someone to blame in all of this, look no further than Ranger himself.
I don't think theres anything particularly scathing in his comments to date, but I do think its almost impossible for the guy to remain silent on the issue. . If you're looking for someone to blame in all of this, look no further than Ranger himself. avo

7:54am Fri 20 Dec 13

TelSTFC says...

Warwickshire Red wrote:
Does anyone get the impression that MC really dislikes Ranger? He has been almost personal in his scathing comments that I am sure many would have picked up on if they had been the words of a mad Italian.
I think MC has been very patient with him and has to explain the situation which he has done.

Think most managers would have got rid by now so Nile is lucky and under PDC he would of been sent packing months ago.

Come on Nile do your training as required most of us would cut our right arm off be a professional football player. Players don't realise how lucky they are.

COYR looking forward to tomorrow
[quote][p][bold]Warwickshire Red[/bold] wrote: Does anyone get the impression that MC really dislikes Ranger? He has been almost personal in his scathing comments that I am sure many would have picked up on if they had been the words of a mad Italian.[/p][/quote]I think MC has been very patient with him and has to explain the situation which he has done. Think most managers would have got rid by now so Nile is lucky and under PDC he would of been sent packing months ago. Come on Nile do your training as required most of us would cut our right arm off be a professional football player. Players don't realise how lucky they are. COYR looking forward to tomorrow TelSTFC

7:54am Fri 20 Dec 13

Davethered says...

How many more chances are they going to give him.
We must be desperate.
How many more chances are they going to give him. We must be desperate. Davethered

7:54am Fri 20 Dec 13

old town robin says...

I hope he plays tomorrow, up against a team like Coventry we'll need him. We know we are going to have to do without him come the middle of January at the very least his trial is likely to last a week or two. I hope Lee has got a replacement lined up because we will certainly be needing someone that can hold the ball up and score a few goals like Nile does.

The only info we have been told is he is persistently late for training, there has been no mention of clubbing or drinking. I remember another ex-Newcastle player Andy Carroll was always in trouble and had to live with at the house of one of their senior players. maybe Nile could do with a mentor to set an example of how to conduct himself.

If Coops says he's been a naughty boy, maybe he can lodge with him, ground him if he gets out of order and take his I-box off him, at least then he might get enough sleep to get up in the morning, Lol
I hope he plays tomorrow, up against a team like Coventry we'll need him. We know we are going to have to do without him come the middle of January at the very least his trial is likely to last a week or two. I hope Lee has got a replacement lined up because we will certainly be needing someone that can hold the ball up and score a few goals like Nile does. The only info we have been told is he is persistently late for training, there has been no mention of clubbing or drinking. I remember another ex-Newcastle player Andy Carroll was always in trouble and had to live with at the house of one of their senior players. maybe Nile could do with a mentor to set an example of how to conduct himself. If Coops says he's been a naughty boy, maybe he can lodge with him, ground him if he gets out of order and take his I-box off him, at least then he might get enough sleep to get up in the morning, Lol old town robin

7:56am Fri 20 Dec 13

Wilesy says...

Fantastic news he's been up for training this week well done! I'm sure whoever is now left out will be delighted too. MC comments clearly show what he thinks, and have more significance than any of PDCs constant criticism. Have to say I don't think Ranger should be playing but that's just my view.
Fantastic news he's been up for training this week well done! I'm sure whoever is now left out will be delighted too. MC comments clearly show what he thinks, and have more significance than any of PDCs constant criticism. Have to say I don't think Ranger should be playing but that's just my view. Wilesy

8:39am Fri 20 Dec 13

alynsmith says...

Suck it up guys, it was always going to be a bumpy ride with Nile - we need him on the pitch because he can make a difference and if he is playing because he has behaved this week then that's all part of the process - I can't pretend to know how his mind works, he is (of course) troubled and wayward, but he is ours. Get behind him, show him the support and encourage him to win the game for us, we need 3 points and just maybe if he gets out there and scores a hat trick or just the winner then it will help him through this... we need the 'buzz' running through the team, things are flat and we need a boost. I'm all for Nile.
Suck it up guys, it was always going to be a bumpy ride with Nile - we need him on the pitch because he can make a difference and if he is playing because he has behaved this week then that's all part of the process - I can't pretend to know how his mind works, he is (of course) troubled and wayward, but he is ours. Get behind him, show him the support and encourage him to win the game for us, we need 3 points and just maybe if he gets out there and scores a hat trick or just the winner then it will help him through this... we need the 'buzz' running through the team, things are flat and we need a boost. I'm all for Nile. alynsmith

8:39am Fri 20 Dec 13

6degreessouth says...

Intresting comments from MC, we know he can perform on the park but I would be a little p1ssed off if it was me being dropped to make room for Ranger. Not good for the dressng room and sends out the wrong message to the rest of the squad in my opinion.
Intresting comments from MC, we know he can perform on the park but I would be a little p1ssed off if it was me being dropped to make room for Ranger. Not good for the dressng room and sends out the wrong message to the rest of the squad in my opinion. 6degreessouth

8:43am Fri 20 Dec 13

LeGod says...

i can understand Nile getting wound up as the court case gets nearer but what i cant undestand with him is how he has treated the club with contempt after we are the ones that have given him yet another chance.
I hope for his and our sakes he has got his head togehter beause he is an integral part of our team but his actions are not acceptable for the way he has treated the club his fellow team mates and management. We all know he has the talent but he seriously needs to get a grip and sort himself out which only he can do. If he keep throwing away the opportunities he is given eventually no one will want to know him.
The problem for us is without him in the team we are not the same side and we dont look a threat wheras with him there as our striker he causes defences problems.
I hope once and for all he has sorted his head out and i hope this hasnt caused any bad feeling with the other players and distruped the dressing room.
i can understand Nile getting wound up as the court case gets nearer but what i cant undestand with him is how he has treated the club with contempt after we are the ones that have given him yet another chance. I hope for his and our sakes he has got his head togehter beause he is an integral part of our team but his actions are not acceptable for the way he has treated the club his fellow team mates and management. We all know he has the talent but he seriously needs to get a grip and sort himself out which only he can do. If he keep throwing away the opportunities he is given eventually no one will want to know him. The problem for us is without him in the team we are not the same side and we dont look a threat wheras with him there as our striker he causes defences problems. I hope once and for all he has sorted his head out and i hope this hasnt caused any bad feeling with the other players and distruped the dressing room. LeGod

8:48am Fri 20 Dec 13

alynsmith says...

6degreessouth wrote:
Intresting comments from MC, we know he can perform on the park but I would be a little p1ssed off if it was me being dropped to make room for Ranger. Not good for the dressng room and sends out the wrong message to the rest of the squad in my opinion.
I'm not sure any player could be annoyed at being dropped at the moment... they are all under-performing
[quote][p][bold]6degreessouth[/bold] wrote: Intresting comments from MC, we know he can perform on the park but I would be a little p1ssed off if it was me being dropped to make room for Ranger. Not good for the dressng room and sends out the wrong message to the rest of the squad in my opinion.[/p][/quote]I'm not sure any player could be annoyed at being dropped at the moment... they are all under-performing alynsmith

8:50am Fri 20 Dec 13

Another view says...

pastor_of_muppets says...
I've got an unblemished attendance record too! Only differences between Nile and myself, I suppose, is that I'm not doing my dream job, I don't get paid very much, I'm a single father of two, and my unblemished record stretches five years. But well done Nile, a whole week! Maybe you aren't a chav moron afterall!

- 'Fraid that's the way of the world, Pastor. The only way you would get noticed is probably if you knocked 6 bells out of your ex. Football, Hollywood and the music industry are full of characters that think the world owes them a living. I hope Coventry's striker can have a quiet word in Nile's ear, since he seems to have straightened himself out.
pastor_of_muppets says... I've got an unblemished attendance record too! Only differences between Nile and myself, I suppose, is that I'm not doing my dream job, I don't get paid very much, I'm a single father of two, and my unblemished record stretches five years. But well done Nile, a whole week! Maybe you aren't a chav moron afterall! - 'Fraid that's the way of the world, Pastor. The only way you would get noticed is probably if you knocked 6 bells out of your ex. Football, Hollywood and the music industry are full of characters that think the world owes them a living. I hope Coventry's striker can have a quiet word in Nile's ear, since he seems to have straightened himself out. Another view

8:52am Fri 20 Dec 13

umpcah says...

Davethered wrote:
How many more chances are they going to give him.
We must be desperate.
We are ! Coops knows that to have a chance of getting three points tomorrow he has to field his best starting eleven. That means those players who have ability , are fit and in the right frame of mind. He studies the players in training and I trust him to make the right choices. COME ON YOU REDS !
[quote][p][bold]Davethered[/bold] wrote: How many more chances are they going to give him. We must be desperate.[/p][/quote]We are ! Coops knows that to have a chance of getting three points tomorrow he has to field his best starting eleven. That means those players who have ability , are fit and in the right frame of mind. He studies the players in training and I trust him to make the right choices. COME ON YOU REDS ! umpcah

8:56am Fri 20 Dec 13

umpcah says...

alynsmith wrote:
6degreessouth wrote:
Intresting comments from MC, we know he can perform on the park but I would be a little p1ssed off if it was me being dropped to make room for Ranger. Not good for the dressng room and sends out the wrong message to the rest of the squad in my opinion.
I'm not sure any player could be annoyed at being dropped at the moment... they are all under-performing
Spot on Alyn !
[quote][p][bold]alynsmith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]6degreessouth[/bold] wrote: Intresting comments from MC, we know he can perform on the park but I would be a little p1ssed off if it was me being dropped to make room for Ranger. Not good for the dressng room and sends out the wrong message to the rest of the squad in my opinion.[/p][/quote]I'm not sure any player could be annoyed at being dropped at the moment... they are all under-performing[/p][/quote]Spot on Alyn ! umpcah

8:57am Fri 20 Dec 13

Warwickshire Red says...

I didn't make my point very clear. The club and MC have really given NR amazing support and patience etc. and it would appear the sentiment has not reciprocated. But we knew Ranger has a really troubled mind and it was always likely to misbehave. I just do not think it is particularly helpful MC saying he is "getting him to behave like a normal human being". I thought that was a bit uncalled for, however true.
I didn't make my point very clear. The club and MC have really given NR amazing support and patience etc. and it would appear the sentiment has not reciprocated. But we knew Ranger has a really troubled mind and it was always likely to misbehave. I just do not think it is particularly helpful MC saying he is "getting him to behave like a normal human being". I thought that was a bit uncalled for, however true. Warwickshire Red

9:03am Fri 20 Dec 13

umpcah says...

Warwickshire Red wrote:
I didn't make my point very clear. The club and MC have really given NR amazing support and patience etc. and it would appear the sentiment has not reciprocated. But we knew Ranger has a really troubled mind and it was always likely to misbehave. I just do not think it is particularly helpful MC saying he is "getting him to behave like a normal human being". I thought that was a bit uncalled for, however true.
I`m inclined to agree but if Sir Alex or the late Brian Clough had uttered those words folk would we have thought the same ?
[quote][p][bold]Warwickshire Red[/bold] wrote: I didn't make my point very clear. The club and MC have really given NR amazing support and patience etc. and it would appear the sentiment has not reciprocated. But we knew Ranger has a really troubled mind and it was always likely to misbehave. I just do not think it is particularly helpful MC saying he is "getting him to behave like a normal human being". I thought that was a bit uncalled for, however true.[/p][/quote]I`m inclined to agree but if Sir Alex or the late Brian Clough had uttered those words folk would we have thought the same ? umpcah

9:08am Fri 20 Dec 13

Robinonfire says...

Must play Ranger on Saturday...without him we wont win.
Must play Ranger on Saturday...without him we wont win. Robinonfire

9:10am Fri 20 Dec 13

pastor_of_muppets says...

Another view wrote:
pastor_of_muppets says...
I've got an unblemished attendance record too! Only differences between Nile and myself, I suppose, is that I'm not doing my dream job, I don't get paid very much, I'm a single father of two, and my unblemished record stretches five years. But well done Nile, a whole week! Maybe you aren't a chav moron afterall!

- 'Fraid that's the way of the world, Pastor. The only way you would get noticed is probably if you knocked 6 bells out of your ex. Football, Hollywood and the music industry are full of characters that think the world owes them a living. I hope Coventry's striker can have a quiet word in Nile's ear, since he seems to have straightened himself out.
Absolutely right, and I'll bet my butt that hard working folk like me are infinitely happier than people like Ranger. My frustration with people like him is mostly fleeting, with the occasional boiling over
[quote][p][bold]Another view[/bold] wrote: pastor_of_muppets says... I've got an unblemished attendance record too! Only differences between Nile and myself, I suppose, is that I'm not doing my dream job, I don't get paid very much, I'm a single father of two, and my unblemished record stretches five years. But well done Nile, a whole week! Maybe you aren't a chav moron afterall! - 'Fraid that's the way of the world, Pastor. The only way you would get noticed is probably if you knocked 6 bells out of your ex. Football, Hollywood and the music industry are full of characters that think the world owes them a living. I hope Coventry's striker can have a quiet word in Nile's ear, since he seems to have straightened himself out.[/p][/quote]Absolutely right, and I'll bet my butt that hard working folk like me are infinitely happier than people like Ranger. My frustration with people like him is mostly fleeting, with the occasional boiling over pastor_of_muppets

9:13am Fri 20 Dec 13

alynsmith says...

on the 'normal human being' comment - I think it's apparent that Mark Cooper has a dry sense of humour from his general conversational manner (which personally I like - compare him to Kevin MacDonald with that - the man who had no sense of humour) and (I believe) it was with tongue in cheek it was said in that manner - this is where an interview written down can lose the spirit in which words are spoken.
on the 'normal human being' comment - I think it's apparent that Mark Cooper has a dry sense of humour from his general conversational manner (which personally I like - compare him to Kevin MacDonald with that - the man who had no sense of humour) and (I believe) it was with tongue in cheek it was said in that manner - this is where an interview written down can lose the spirit in which words are spoken. alynsmith

9:15am Fri 20 Dec 13

Rgbargee says...

I want our strongest team picked every week. A manager must manage and make disciplinary decisions. Of course refusing to train is not acceptable, BUT who do we have that is a better target man than Ranger? We need him until we sign another target man so play him, if only for 60 minutes, (assuming he's not fit enough for 90 minutes).
I want our strongest team picked every week. A manager must manage and make disciplinary decisions. Of course refusing to train is not acceptable, BUT who do we have that is a better target man than Ranger? We need him until we sign another target man so play him, if only for 60 minutes, (assuming he's not fit enough for 90 minutes). Rgbargee

9:16am Fri 20 Dec 13

London Red says...

Well I was delighted to read that headline as the simple fact is we are MUCH STRONGER when Nile is in the team than when he is not
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On ability he has to be easily top 3 in our squad and would be one of the first names on the teamsheet
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As OTR has said it is only turning up late that has led to this banishment - there are far worse crimes out there and to be honest you see that at most walks of life that people turn up late a lot
.
Obviously he needs to cut it out and it looks like he is - so good welcome back Nile and now repay us with goals or assists!
Well I was delighted to read that headline as the simple fact is we are MUCH STRONGER when Nile is in the team than when he is not . On ability he has to be easily top 3 in our squad and would be one of the first names on the teamsheet . As OTR has said it is only turning up late that has led to this banishment - there are far worse crimes out there and to be honest you see that at most walks of life that people turn up late a lot . Obviously he needs to cut it out and it looks like he is - so good welcome back Nile and now repay us with goals or assists! London Red

9:22am Fri 20 Dec 13

umpcah says...

London Red wrote:
Well I was delighted to read that headline as the simple fact is we are MUCH STRONGER when Nile is in the team than when he is not
.
On ability he has to be easily top 3 in our squad and would be one of the first names on the teamsheet
.
As OTR has said it is only turning up late that has led to this banishment - there are far worse crimes out there and to be honest you see that at most walks of life that people turn up late a lot
.
Obviously he needs to cut it out and it looks like he is - so good welcome back Nile and now repay us with goals or assists!
Turning up late is not the same as failing to turn up either ? How late ? Five minutes ? Half an hour ? We don't know ! Where does Nile have to travel from each day ? Gambia Street ? Cricklade ? London ? So much we fans don't know !
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Well I was delighted to read that headline as the simple fact is we are MUCH STRONGER when Nile is in the team than when he is not . On ability he has to be easily top 3 in our squad and would be one of the first names on the teamsheet . As OTR has said it is only turning up late that has led to this banishment - there are far worse crimes out there and to be honest you see that at most walks of life that people turn up late a lot . Obviously he needs to cut it out and it looks like he is - so good welcome back Nile and now repay us with goals or assists![/p][/quote]Turning up late is not the same as failing to turn up either ? How late ? Five minutes ? Half an hour ? We don't know ! Where does Nile have to travel from each day ? Gambia Street ? Cricklade ? London ? So much we fans don't know ! umpcah

9:31am Fri 20 Dec 13

hertz says...

Cling film him to the bench in the changing rooms his evening , we need him , some of the most gifted people on the planet are'nt that easy to manage , but thats what managers have to do , manage situations to get best possible result out of them . COYR
Cling film him to the bench in the changing rooms his evening , we need him , some of the most gifted people on the planet are'nt that easy to manage , but thats what managers have to do , manage situations to get best possible result out of them . COYR hertz

9:47am Fri 20 Dec 13

Wilesy says...

umpcah wrote:
London Red wrote:
Well I was delighted to read that headline as the simple fact is we are MUCH STRONGER when Nile is in the team than when he is not
.
On ability he has to be easily top 3 in our squad and would be one of the first names on the teamsheet
.
As OTR has said it is only turning up late that has led to this banishment - there are far worse crimes out there and to be honest you see that at most walks of life that people turn up late a lot
.
Obviously he needs to cut it out and it looks like he is - so good welcome back Nile and now repay us with goals or assists!
Turning up late is not the same as failing to turn up either ? How late ? Five minutes ? Half an hour ? We don't know ! Where does Nile have to travel from each day ? Gambia Street ? Cricklade ? London ? So much we fans don't know !
I would say he is number 1 in our squad in terms of ability in the position he plays, but from previous reports he's gone AWOL and its days late rather than minutes late, and its far from a one-off. Admittedly we don't know the full story (and I hope Ranger isn't depressed or in a bad place personally) but the manager has made it clear what he thinks and he's not impressed and on face value if he plays its a classic case of the tail wagging the dog.

Strikers are a strange breed though and I used to run a Sunday side with a top striker who although a great lad enjoyed a Saturday night out and was a ladies man so getting to games was a problem. The team got very disillusioned with him, particularly the reliable, not so good players who went sub, so eventually I had enough and the team came first and he got booted out. Fortunately the more reliable replacement was very decent. Completely different circumstances I know but same principle.
[quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Well I was delighted to read that headline as the simple fact is we are MUCH STRONGER when Nile is in the team than when he is not . On ability he has to be easily top 3 in our squad and would be one of the first names on the teamsheet . As OTR has said it is only turning up late that has led to this banishment - there are far worse crimes out there and to be honest you see that at most walks of life that people turn up late a lot . Obviously he needs to cut it out and it looks like he is - so good welcome back Nile and now repay us with goals or assists![/p][/quote]Turning up late is not the same as failing to turn up either ? How late ? Five minutes ? Half an hour ? We don't know ! Where does Nile have to travel from each day ? Gambia Street ? Cricklade ? London ? So much we fans don't know ![/p][/quote]I would say he is number 1 in our squad in terms of ability in the position he plays, but from previous reports he's gone AWOL and its days late rather than minutes late, and its far from a one-off. Admittedly we don't know the full story (and I hope Ranger isn't depressed or in a bad place personally) but the manager has made it clear what he thinks and he's not impressed and on face value if he plays its a classic case of the tail wagging the dog. Strikers are a strange breed though and I used to run a Sunday side with a top striker who although a great lad enjoyed a Saturday night out and was a ladies man so getting to games was a problem. The team got very disillusioned with him, particularly the reliable, not so good players who went sub, so eventually I had enough and the team came first and he got booted out. Fortunately the more reliable replacement was very decent. Completely different circumstances I know but same principle. Wilesy

10:10am Fri 20 Dec 13

mancrobin says...

I think there are few that wouldn't agree that Ranger's inclusion will add something that is desperately needed at the moment in attack. However, I hope that it was MC's decision alone to put him back in contention. By the tone of his comments I'm not sure but, as someone has mentioned previous, this headline could be more about the message to the player than anything else. In whatever circumstances let's hope Ranger responds well to the opportunity.

Not sure I agree with MC that Ranger is the only target man option. What about N'Guessan?
I think there are few that wouldn't agree that Ranger's inclusion will add something that is desperately needed at the moment in attack. However, I hope that it was MC's decision alone to put him back in contention. By the tone of his comments I'm not sure but, as someone has mentioned previous, this headline could be more about the message to the player than anything else. In whatever circumstances let's hope Ranger responds well to the opportunity. Not sure I agree with MC that Ranger is the only target man option. What about N'Guessan? mancrobin

10:19am Fri 20 Dec 13

lifelong red says...

Did he not play up at Newcastle before the rape charge ? A lot on his mind no doubt . But at the end of the day the club comes first before anyone
Did he not play up at Newcastle before the rape charge ? A lot on his mind no doubt . But at the end of the day the club comes first before anyone lifelong red

10:59am Fri 20 Dec 13

jayden says...

London Red wrote:
Well I was delighted to read that headline as the simple fact is we are MUCH STRONGER when Nile is in the team than when he is not
.
On ability he has to be easily top 3 in our squad and would be one of the first names on the teamsheet
.
As OTR has said it is only turning up late that has led to this banishment - there are far worse crimes out there and to be honest you see that at most walks of life that people turn up late a lot
.
Obviously he needs to cut it out and it looks like he is - so good welcome back Nile and now repay us with goals or assists!
Get REAL its his night life and who he hangs out with to all hours at night that's why he can't get up on time if he didn't go on social net work sites to glamour it he might get away with it .You don't need to be Colombo to work it out. Yesterday he had trouble (AGAIN NOT HIS FAULT) but how do I know ,easy because he put it on the net. All coop's has do is press a few buttons and hey presto he finds out what he has been up to .
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Well I was delighted to read that headline as the simple fact is we are MUCH STRONGER when Nile is in the team than when he is not . On ability he has to be easily top 3 in our squad and would be one of the first names on the teamsheet . As OTR has said it is only turning up late that has led to this banishment - there are far worse crimes out there and to be honest you see that at most walks of life that people turn up late a lot . Obviously he needs to cut it out and it looks like he is - so good welcome back Nile and now repay us with goals or assists![/p][/quote]Get REAL its his night life and who he hangs out with to all hours at night that's why he can't get up on time if he didn't go on social net work sites to glamour it he might get away with it .You don't need to be Colombo to work it out. Yesterday he had trouble (AGAIN NOT HIS FAULT) but how do I know ,easy because he put it on the net. All coop's has do is press a few buttons and hey presto he finds out what he has been up to . jayden

11:08am Fri 20 Dec 13

London Red says...

Agree he is number 1 striker - but when saying top 3 was including Wes and Pritchard in the mix - who would be my top 3
.
Thought the AWOL thing was weeks ago now and ended when he was given time off - I was under the impression he had returned and been there everyday but not always turning up on time - until this week
.
5 mins or 1 hour - who knows - but I'm guessing he was always last in
.
As for N'Guessan - I would say no way is he a Target Man - if he was we wouldn't be missing Ranger so much and we would be using him in the middle instead of Ajose
.
N'Guessan is big and can head the ball - but that is from crosses - not in terms of hold up play or flick ons etc like Ranger does so well
.
Both he and Ajose would be a 2nd striker to feed off Ranger
.
For me our strongest team when all fit and available would be:
.
Fodders
Thompson Ward Hall Byrne
Luongo Harley
N'Guessan Mason Pritchard
Ranger
.
Kassim is slipped down the pecking order for me as not as stand out as earlier in the camopaign so would now go with Harley as that is the trio most expected to be in there
.
Need to see how Troy and Tijane recover - as they could come into the team
Agree he is number 1 striker - but when saying top 3 was including Wes and Pritchard in the mix - who would be my top 3 . Thought the AWOL thing was weeks ago now and ended when he was given time off - I was under the impression he had returned and been there everyday but not always turning up on time - until this week . 5 mins or 1 hour - who knows - but I'm guessing he was always last in . As for N'Guessan - I would say no way is he a Target Man - if he was we wouldn't be missing Ranger so much and we would be using him in the middle instead of Ajose . N'Guessan is big and can head the ball - but that is from crosses - not in terms of hold up play or flick ons etc like Ranger does so well . Both he and Ajose would be a 2nd striker to feed off Ranger . For me our strongest team when all fit and available would be: . Fodders Thompson Ward Hall Byrne Luongo Harley N'Guessan Mason Pritchard Ranger . Kassim is slipped down the pecking order for me as not as stand out as earlier in the camopaign so would now go with Harley as that is the trio most expected to be in there . Need to see how Troy and Tijane recover - as they could come into the team London Red

11:16am Fri 20 Dec 13

Redgollum says...

Who was responsible for signing this liability?
Who was responsible for signing this liability? Redgollum

11:19am Fri 20 Dec 13

ShearerShearer says...

Perhaps a short spell in the tumble dryer would sort Nile out
Perhaps a short spell in the tumble dryer would sort Nile out ShearerShearer

11:20am Fri 20 Dec 13

lifelong red says...

London Red wrote:
Agree he is number 1 striker - but when saying top 3 was including Wes and Pritchard in the mix - who would be my top 3
.
Thought the AWOL thing was weeks ago now and ended when he was given time off - I was under the impression he had returned and been there everyday but not always turning up on time - until this week
.
5 mins or 1 hour - who knows - but I'm guessing he was always last in
.
As for N'Guessan - I would say no way is he a Target Man - if he was we wouldn't be missing Ranger so much and we would be using him in the middle instead of Ajose
.
N'Guessan is big and can head the ball - but that is from crosses - not in terms of hold up play or flick ons etc like Ranger does so well
.
Both he and Ajose would be a 2nd striker to feed off Ranger
.
For me our strongest team when all fit and available would be:
.
Fodders
Thompson Ward Hall Byrne
Luongo Harley
N'Guessan Mason Pritchard
Ranger
.
Kassim is slipped down the pecking order for me as not as stand out as earlier in the camopaign so would now go with Harley as that is the trio most expected to be in there
.
Need to see how Troy and Tijane recover - as they could come into the team
what no maceverly ?
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Agree he is number 1 striker - but when saying top 3 was including Wes and Pritchard in the mix - who would be my top 3 . Thought the AWOL thing was weeks ago now and ended when he was given time off - I was under the impression he had returned and been there everyday but not always turning up on time - until this week . 5 mins or 1 hour - who knows - but I'm guessing he was always last in . As for N'Guessan - I would say no way is he a Target Man - if he was we wouldn't be missing Ranger so much and we would be using him in the middle instead of Ajose . N'Guessan is big and can head the ball - but that is from crosses - not in terms of hold up play or flick ons etc like Ranger does so well . Both he and Ajose would be a 2nd striker to feed off Ranger . For me our strongest team when all fit and available would be: . Fodders Thompson Ward Hall Byrne Luongo Harley N'Guessan Mason Pritchard Ranger . Kassim is slipped down the pecking order for me as not as stand out as earlier in the camopaign so would now go with Harley as that is the trio most expected to be in there . Need to see how Troy and Tijane recover - as they could come into the team[/p][/quote]what no maceverly ? lifelong red

11:23am Fri 20 Dec 13

Bassett Hound says...

London Red wrote:
Agree he is number 1 striker - but when saying top 3 was including Wes and Pritchard in the mix - who would be my top 3
.
Thought the AWOL thing was weeks ago now and ended when he was given time off - I was under the impression he had returned and been there everyday but not always turning up on time - until this week
.
5 mins or 1 hour - who knows - but I'm guessing he was always last in
.
As for N'Guessan - I would say no way is he a Target Man - if he was we wouldn't be missing Ranger so much and we would be using him in the middle instead of Ajose
.
N'Guessan is big and can head the ball - but that is from crosses - not in terms of hold up play or flick ons etc like Ranger does so well
.
Both he and Ajose would be a 2nd striker to feed off Ranger
.
For me our strongest team when all fit and available would be:
.
Fodders
Thompson Ward Hall Byrne
Luongo Harley
N'Guessan Mason Pritchard
Ranger
.
Kassim is slipped down the pecking order for me as not as stand out as earlier in the camopaign so would now go with Harley as that is the trio most expected to be in there
.
Need to see how Troy and Tijane recover - as they could come into the team
Bit harsh on Jay Mac , has he not been motm or near to it in the last 3 or so games ?
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Agree he is number 1 striker - but when saying top 3 was including Wes and Pritchard in the mix - who would be my top 3 . Thought the AWOL thing was weeks ago now and ended when he was given time off - I was under the impression he had returned and been there everyday but not always turning up on time - until this week . 5 mins or 1 hour - who knows - but I'm guessing he was always last in . As for N'Guessan - I would say no way is he a Target Man - if he was we wouldn't be missing Ranger so much and we would be using him in the middle instead of Ajose . N'Guessan is big and can head the ball - but that is from crosses - not in terms of hold up play or flick ons etc like Ranger does so well . Both he and Ajose would be a 2nd striker to feed off Ranger . For me our strongest team when all fit and available would be: . Fodders Thompson Ward Hall Byrne Luongo Harley N'Guessan Mason Pritchard Ranger . Kassim is slipped down the pecking order for me as not as stand out as earlier in the camopaign so would now go with Harley as that is the trio most expected to be in there . Need to see how Troy and Tijane recover - as they could come into the team[/p][/quote]Bit harsh on Jay Mac , has he not been motm or near to it in the last 3 or so games ? Bassett Hound

11:26am Fri 20 Dec 13

matt71 says...

Ajose got to start.
Ajose got to start. matt71

11:30am Fri 20 Dec 13

jayden says...

Bassett Hound wrote:
London Red wrote:
Agree he is number 1 striker - but when saying top 3 was including Wes and Pritchard in the mix - who would be my top 3
.
Thought the AWOL thing was weeks ago now and ended when he was given time off - I was under the impression he had returned and been there everyday but not always turning up on time - until this week
.
5 mins or 1 hour - who knows - but I'm guessing he was always last in
.
As for N'Guessan - I would say no way is he a Target Man - if he was we wouldn't be missing Ranger so much and we would be using him in the middle instead of Ajose
.
N'Guessan is big and can head the ball - but that is from crosses - not in terms of hold up play or flick ons etc like Ranger does so well
.
Both he and Ajose would be a 2nd striker to feed off Ranger
.
For me our strongest team when all fit and available would be:
.
Fodders
Thompson Ward Hall Byrne
Luongo Harley
N'Guessan Mason Pritchard
Ranger
.
Kassim is slipped down the pecking order for me as not as stand out as earlier in the camopaign so would now go with Harley as that is the trio most expected to be in there
.
Need to see how Troy and Tijane recover - as they could come into the team
Bit harsh on Jay Mac , has he not been motm or near to it in the last 3 or so games ?
Yes I would agree with that, all though he will make one howler each game .I think he would make a good centre half...........well better than ward anyhow.
[quote][p][bold]Bassett Hound[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Agree he is number 1 striker - but when saying top 3 was including Wes and Pritchard in the mix - who would be my top 3 . Thought the AWOL thing was weeks ago now and ended when he was given time off - I was under the impression he had returned and been there everyday but not always turning up on time - until this week . 5 mins or 1 hour - who knows - but I'm guessing he was always last in . As for N'Guessan - I would say no way is he a Target Man - if he was we wouldn't be missing Ranger so much and we would be using him in the middle instead of Ajose . N'Guessan is big and can head the ball - but that is from crosses - not in terms of hold up play or flick ons etc like Ranger does so well . Both he and Ajose would be a 2nd striker to feed off Ranger . For me our strongest team when all fit and available would be: . Fodders Thompson Ward Hall Byrne Luongo Harley N'Guessan Mason Pritchard Ranger . Kassim is slipped down the pecking order for me as not as stand out as earlier in the camopaign so would now go with Harley as that is the trio most expected to be in there . Need to see how Troy and Tijane recover - as they could come into the team[/p][/quote]Bit harsh on Jay Mac , has he not been motm or near to it in the last 3 or so games ?[/p][/quote]Yes I would agree with that, all though he will make one howler each game .I think he would make a good centre half...........well better than ward anyhow. jayden

11:31am Fri 20 Dec 13

matt71 says...

Fodders

Thompson. Ward. Hall. Mceverly


Harley. Kassim

Luango.

N guessen. Ranger. Ajose
Fodders Thompson. Ward. Hall. Mceverly Harley. Kassim Luango. N guessen. Ranger. Ajose matt71

12:12pm Fri 20 Dec 13

umpcah says...

matt71 wrote:
Fodders

Thompson. Ward. Hall. Mceverly


Harley. Kassim

Luango.

N guessen. Ranger. Ajose
Oh come on, give Coventry a chance !
[quote][p][bold]matt71[/bold] wrote: Fodders Thompson. Ward. Hall. Mceverly Harley. Kassim Luango. N guessen. Ranger. Ajose[/p][/quote]Oh come on, give Coventry a chance ! umpcah

12:29pm Fri 20 Dec 13

London Red says...

Jay is too hit and miss for me - but that is only my opinion
.
The Orient game is prime example - I said just before both yellows that he was going in the book as you could see it happening a mile off - plus you knew that Orient were targeting that wing as they were having a field day
.
His passing is also a bit hit and miss and I feel doesn't offer the same attacking threat that Byrne does
.
Granted Byrne has also been sent off - but all 3 of his have been very harsh - unlike Jays which was just stupidity
.
Yes he has bounced back since that game but he did that post Preston too - and its that constant up and down that would see me pick Byrne
Jay is too hit and miss for me - but that is only my opinion . The Orient game is prime example - I said just before both yellows that he was going in the book as you could see it happening a mile off - plus you knew that Orient were targeting that wing as they were having a field day . His passing is also a bit hit and miss and I feel doesn't offer the same attacking threat that Byrne does . Granted Byrne has also been sent off - but all 3 of his have been very harsh - unlike Jays which was just stupidity . Yes he has bounced back since that game but he did that post Preston too - and its that constant up and down that would see me pick Byrne London Red

12:42pm Fri 20 Dec 13

6degreessouth says...

jayden wrote:
London Red wrote:
Well I was delighted to read that headline as the simple fact is we are MUCH STRONGER when Nile is in the team than when he is not
.
On ability he has to be easily top 3 in our squad and would be one of the first names on the teamsheet
.
As OTR has said it is only turning up late that has led to this banishment - there are far worse crimes out there and to be honest you see that at most walks of life that people turn up late a lot
.
Obviously he needs to cut it out and it looks like he is - so good welcome back Nile and now repay us with goals or assists!
Get REAL its his night life and who he hangs out with to all hours at night that's why he can't get up on time if he didn't go on social net work sites to glamour it he might get away with it .You don't need to be Colombo to work it out. Yesterday he had trouble (AGAIN NOT HIS FAULT) but how do I know ,easy because he put it on the net. All coop's has do is press a few buttons and hey presto he finds out what he has been up to .
Spot on Jayden, Rangers is trouble full stop and yes most say he should be in the team, but I can remember a few months back when we signed him most on here were saying he was bad news, including myself.

The guy's a disrespectful arrogant tw@t, so much for our club within the community, he does not give a sh1t about Town or the fans. Jog on Ranger, get back to the gutter you came from.

In my opinion!!
[quote][p][bold]jayden[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Well I was delighted to read that headline as the simple fact is we are MUCH STRONGER when Nile is in the team than when he is not . On ability he has to be easily top 3 in our squad and would be one of the first names on the teamsheet . As OTR has said it is only turning up late that has led to this banishment - there are far worse crimes out there and to be honest you see that at most walks of life that people turn up late a lot . Obviously he needs to cut it out and it looks like he is - so good welcome back Nile and now repay us with goals or assists![/p][/quote]Get REAL its his night life and who he hangs out with to all hours at night that's why he can't get up on time if he didn't go on social net work sites to glamour it he might get away with it .You don't need to be Colombo to work it out. Yesterday he had trouble (AGAIN NOT HIS FAULT) but how do I know ,easy because he put it on the net. All coop's has do is press a few buttons and hey presto he finds out what he has been up to .[/p][/quote]Spot on Jayden, Rangers is trouble full stop and yes most say he should be in the team, but I can remember a few months back when we signed him most on here were saying he was bad news, including myself. The guy's a disrespectful arrogant tw@t, so much for our club within the community, he does not give a sh1t about Town or the fans. Jog on Ranger, get back to the gutter you came from. In my opinion!! 6degreessouth

12:44pm Fri 20 Dec 13

Oi Den! says...

It makes uncomfortable reading to see posts saying "we must play Ranger", apparently regardless of the way he's treated the club. It seems to me Cooper has been more than reasonable in his handling of the player. Most managers would have sacked Ranger by now for persistent misconduct.

If Cooper leaves Ranger out I'm happy to trust his judgment that he deserves to be left out. If he plays him, I trust that judgment just the same. I only hope the decision, whatever it might be, is entirely Cooper's.

But how long can this go on? Let's suppose Ranger keeps his freedom. Does he have an unlimited number of chances to abuse the club's generosity and trust, as long as he behaves himself for a week occasionally? I don't care how good the player is; yes, we do need his ability and strength. What we don't need is any player unsettling the club. The club is more important than any single player.
It makes uncomfortable reading to see posts saying "we must play Ranger", apparently regardless of the way he's treated the club. It seems to me Cooper has been more than reasonable in his handling of the player. Most managers would have sacked Ranger by now for persistent misconduct. If Cooper leaves Ranger out I'm happy to trust his judgment that he deserves to be left out. If he plays him, I trust that judgment just the same. I only hope the decision, whatever it might be, is entirely Cooper's. But how long can this go on? Let's suppose Ranger keeps his freedom. Does he have an unlimited number of chances to abuse the club's generosity and trust, as long as he behaves himself for a week occasionally? I don't care how good the player is; yes, we do need his ability and strength. What we don't need is any player unsettling the club. The club is more important than any single player. Oi Den!

12:50pm Fri 20 Dec 13

Oi Den! says...

London Red wrote:
Jay is too hit and miss for me - but that is only my opinion
.
The Orient game is prime example - I said just before both yellows that he was going in the book as you could see it happening a mile off - plus you knew that Orient were targeting that wing as they were having a field day
.
His passing is also a bit hit and miss and I feel doesn't offer the same attacking threat that Byrne does
.
Granted Byrne has also been sent off - but all 3 of his have been very harsh - unlike Jays which was just stupidity
.
Yes he has bounced back since that game but he did that post Preston too - and its that constant up and down that would see me pick Byrne
Agree with your first line LR, but I think you're being too kind to Byrne. He's naive and petulant. Until he grows up a bit he's probably more of a liability than McEveley, who at least looks as if he wants to win every game - which is more than can be said for a number of our players.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Jay is too hit and miss for me - but that is only my opinion . The Orient game is prime example - I said just before both yellows that he was going in the book as you could see it happening a mile off - plus you knew that Orient were targeting that wing as they were having a field day . His passing is also a bit hit and miss and I feel doesn't offer the same attacking threat that Byrne does . Granted Byrne has also been sent off - but all 3 of his have been very harsh - unlike Jays which was just stupidity . Yes he has bounced back since that game but he did that post Preston too - and its that constant up and down that would see me pick Byrne[/p][/quote]Agree with your first line LR, but I think you're being too kind to Byrne. He's naive and petulant. Until he grows up a bit he's probably more of a liability than McEveley, who at least looks as if he wants to win every game - which is more than can be said for a number of our players. Oi Den!

1:25pm Fri 20 Dec 13

old town robin says...

Bassett Hound wrote:
London Red wrote:
Agree he is number 1 striker - but when saying top 3 was including Wes and Pritchard in the mix - who would be my top 3
.
Thought the AWOL thing was weeks ago now and ended when he was given time off - I was under the impression he had returned and been there everyday but not always turning up on time - until this week
.
5 mins or 1 hour - who knows - but I'm guessing he was always last in
.
As for N'Guessan - I would say no way is he a Target Man - if he was we wouldn't be missing Ranger so much and we would be using him in the middle instead of Ajose
.
N'Guessan is big and can head the ball - but that is from crosses - not in terms of hold up play or flick ons etc like Ranger does so well
.
Both he and Ajose would be a 2nd striker to feed off Ranger
.
For me our strongest team when all fit and available would be:
.
Fodders
Thompson Ward Hall Byrne
Luongo Harley
N'Guessan Mason Pritchard
Ranger
.
Kassim is slipped down the pecking order for me as not as stand out as earlier in the camopaign so would now go with Harley as that is the trio most expected to be in there
.
Need to see how Troy and Tijane recover - as they could come into the team
Bit harsh on Jay Mac , has he not been motm or near to it in the last 3 or so games ?
I would also agree Jay has more than justified his selection and he has been our best player in the back 4 of late. Probably the worst has been Nat Thompson who is no where near the form he was in last season. Whether that is because he is not 100% fit or he can't adapt to the role of getting forward and back, i don't know. By accounts of those that went to Sheffield he had a retched time.

I would go along with LR's team selection other than IMO Jay would be in, Thompson out for either for Byrne or Barchem, who I has impressed when he has been selected, a bit on the short side, but then again so was Caddis..
[quote][p][bold]Bassett Hound[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Agree he is number 1 striker - but when saying top 3 was including Wes and Pritchard in the mix - who would be my top 3 . Thought the AWOL thing was weeks ago now and ended when he was given time off - I was under the impression he had returned and been there everyday but not always turning up on time - until this week . 5 mins or 1 hour - who knows - but I'm guessing he was always last in . As for N'Guessan - I would say no way is he a Target Man - if he was we wouldn't be missing Ranger so much and we would be using him in the middle instead of Ajose . N'Guessan is big and can head the ball - but that is from crosses - not in terms of hold up play or flick ons etc like Ranger does so well . Both he and Ajose would be a 2nd striker to feed off Ranger . For me our strongest team when all fit and available would be: . Fodders Thompson Ward Hall Byrne Luongo Harley N'Guessan Mason Pritchard Ranger . Kassim is slipped down the pecking order for me as not as stand out as earlier in the camopaign so would now go with Harley as that is the trio most expected to be in there . Need to see how Troy and Tijane recover - as they could come into the team[/p][/quote]Bit harsh on Jay Mac , has he not been motm or near to it in the last 3 or so games ?[/p][/quote]I would also agree Jay has more than justified his selection and he has been our best player in the back 4 of late. Probably the worst has been Nat Thompson who is no where near the form he was in last season. Whether that is because he is not 100% fit or he can't adapt to the role of getting forward and back, i don't know. By accounts of those that went to Sheffield he had a retched time. I would go along with LR's team selection other than IMO Jay would be in, Thompson out for either for Byrne or Barchem, who I has impressed when he has been selected, a bit on the short side, but then again so was Caddis.. old town robin

1:29pm Fri 20 Dec 13

Wilesy says...

Oi Den! wrote:
London Red wrote:
Jay is too hit and miss for me - but that is only my opinion
.
The Orient game is prime example - I said just before both yellows that he was going in the book as you could see it happening a mile off - plus you knew that Orient were targeting that wing as they were having a field day
.
His passing is also a bit hit and miss and I feel doesn't offer the same attacking threat that Byrne does
.
Granted Byrne has also been sent off - but all 3 of his have been very harsh - unlike Jays which was just stupidity
.
Yes he has bounced back since that game but he did that post Preston too - and its that constant up and down that would see me pick Byrne
Agree with your first line LR, but I think you're being too kind to Byrne. He's naive and petulant. Until he grows up a bit he's probably more of a liability than McEveley, who at least looks as if he wants to win every game - which is more than can be said for a number of our players.
McEveley is playing very well defensively at left back, bar a couple of howlers over the season. Yes he was silly for the sending off, but that's a one-off and it didn't affect the result. I'm not sure he will ever put in a good cross, but the main part of a defenders game is defending and he's our best left footed actual defender.

Byrne too weak in the air and the tackle to be a defender imo but impressive when attacking.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Jay is too hit and miss for me - but that is only my opinion . The Orient game is prime example - I said just before both yellows that he was going in the book as you could see it happening a mile off - plus you knew that Orient were targeting that wing as they were having a field day . His passing is also a bit hit and miss and I feel doesn't offer the same attacking threat that Byrne does . Granted Byrne has also been sent off - but all 3 of his have been very harsh - unlike Jays which was just stupidity . Yes he has bounced back since that game but he did that post Preston too - and its that constant up and down that would see me pick Byrne[/p][/quote]Agree with your first line LR, but I think you're being too kind to Byrne. He's naive and petulant. Until he grows up a bit he's probably more of a liability than McEveley, who at least looks as if he wants to win every game - which is more than can be said for a number of our players.[/p][/quote]McEveley is playing very well defensively at left back, bar a couple of howlers over the season. Yes he was silly for the sending off, but that's a one-off and it didn't affect the result. I'm not sure he will ever put in a good cross, but the main part of a defenders game is defending and he's our best left footed actual defender. Byrne too weak in the air and the tackle to be a defender imo but impressive when attacking. Wilesy

1:41pm Fri 20 Dec 13

Steve. Brentford says...

umpcah wrote:
London Red wrote: Well I was delighted to read that headline as the simple fact is we are MUCH STRONGER when Nile is in the team than when he is not . On ability he has to be easily top 3 in our squad and would be one of the first names on the teamsheet . As OTR has said it is only turning up late that has led to this banishment - there are far worse crimes out there and to be honest you see that at most walks of life that people turn up late a lot . Obviously he needs to cut it out and it looks like he is - so good welcome back Nile and now repay us with goals or assists!
Turning up late is not the same as failing to turn up either ? How late ? Five minutes ? Half an hour ? We don't know ! Where does Nile have to travel from each day ? Gambia Street ? Cricklade ? London ? So much we fans don't know !
**** is it just because he turns up late, he has failed to turn up and coming from his own mouth "i am a wrongan" his spelling is as poor as he is at being a man and who gives a flying fig where he has to travel from. (shame it wasn`t thousands of miles further)
Come on you ar5e crawling feckers get that thumbs down button going.(that hurts me) but not half as much as seeing this useless piece of shat pulling on a Swindon shirt.
I wonder how many of you would like to see him play Saturday if he was accussed of raping your Mirs. Sister, Daughter mmm i fecking know the answer to that already.
Biggest mistake of a signing ever or for at least the 30plus years i have supported the Town.
MORALS look the word up.
[quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Well I was delighted to read that headline as the simple fact is we are MUCH STRONGER when Nile is in the team than when he is not . On ability he has to be easily top 3 in our squad and would be one of the first names on the teamsheet . As OTR has said it is only turning up late that has led to this banishment - there are far worse crimes out there and to be honest you see that at most walks of life that people turn up late a lot . Obviously he needs to cut it out and it looks like he is - so good welcome back Nile and now repay us with goals or assists![/p][/quote]Turning up late is not the same as failing to turn up either ? How late ? Five minutes ? Half an hour ? We don't know ! Where does Nile have to travel from each day ? Gambia Street ? Cricklade ? London ? So much we fans don't know ![/p][/quote]**** is it just because he turns up late, he has failed to turn up and coming from his own mouth "i am a wrongan" his spelling is as poor as he is at being a man and who gives a flying fig where he has to travel from. (shame it wasn`t thousands of miles further) Come on you ar5e crawling feckers get that thumbs down button going.(that hurts me) but not half as much as seeing this useless piece of shat pulling on a Swindon shirt. I wonder how many of you would like to see him play Saturday if he was accussed of raping your Mirs. Sister, Daughter mmm i fecking know the answer to that already. Biggest mistake of a signing ever or for at least the 30plus years i have supported the Town. MORALS look the word up. Steve. Brentford

2:02pm Fri 20 Dec 13

Oi Den! says...

Steve, if the address he gave at one of his court appearances is still correct he has to travel all the way from the centre of Swindon - could be as much as a whole mile.

Trouble is though, he's not useless and that's why so many people seem to find it easy to defend him. If he was crap every time he'd pulled on a Town shirt most people would have been happy to see him run out of town by now. But no, he's a good footballer so let's allow him to have his own rules.
Steve, if the address he gave at one of his court appearances is still correct he has to travel all the way from the centre of Swindon - could be as much as a whole mile. Trouble is though, he's not useless and that's why so many people seem to find it easy to defend him. If he was crap every time he'd pulled on a Town shirt most people would have been happy to see him run out of town by now. But no, he's a good footballer so let's allow him to have his own rules. Oi Den!

2:08pm Fri 20 Dec 13

matt71 says...

umpcah wrote:
matt71 wrote:
Fodders

Thompson. Ward. Hall. Mceverly


Harley. Kassim

Luango.

N guessen. Ranger. Ajose
Oh come on, give Coventry a chance !
Bench of ~Pritchard,mason ,Thompson ,Byrne, Barchem,Ben Gladwin,El gabas. **** we have a strong squad when everybody is fit..
[quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]matt71[/bold] wrote: Fodders Thompson. Ward. Hall. Mceverly Harley. Kassim Luango. N guessen. Ranger. Ajose[/p][/quote]Oh come on, give Coventry a chance ![/p][/quote]Bench of ~Pritchard,mason ,Thompson ,Byrne, Barchem,Ben Gladwin,El gabas. **** we have a strong squad when everybody is fit.. matt71

2:13pm Fri 20 Dec 13

Bassett Hound says...

London Red wrote:
Jay is too hit and miss for me - but that is only my opinion
.
The Orient game is prime example - I said just before both yellows that he was going in the book as you could see it happening a mile off - plus you knew that Orient were targeting that wing as they were having a field day
.
His passing is also a bit hit and miss and I feel doesn't offer the same attacking threat that Byrne does
.
Granted Byrne has also been sent off - but all 3 of his have been very harsh - unlike Jays which was just stupidity
.
Yes he has bounced back since that game but he did that post Preston too - and its that constant up and down that would see me pick Byrne
I like Byrne he is a good player,and I think he will get better. For me he is best when he has played in a kind of free role popping up in different positions. He is a bit lightweight and to easily knocked of the ball. But for me a good signing.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Jay is too hit and miss for me - but that is only my opinion . The Orient game is prime example - I said just before both yellows that he was going in the book as you could see it happening a mile off - plus you knew that Orient were targeting that wing as they were having a field day . His passing is also a bit hit and miss and I feel doesn't offer the same attacking threat that Byrne does . Granted Byrne has also been sent off - but all 3 of his have been very harsh - unlike Jays which was just stupidity . Yes he has bounced back since that game but he did that post Preston too - and its that constant up and down that would see me pick Byrne[/p][/quote]I like Byrne he is a good player,and I think he will get better. For me he is best when he has played in a kind of free role popping up in different positions. He is a bit lightweight and to easily knocked of the ball. But for me a good signing. Bassett Hound

2:22pm Fri 20 Dec 13

louiscassius says...

Steve. Brentford wrote:
umpcah wrote:
London Red wrote: Well I was delighted to read that headline as the simple fact is we are MUCH STRONGER when Nile is in the team than when he is not . On ability he has to be easily top 3 in our squad and would be one of the first names on the teamsheet . As OTR has said it is only turning up late that has led to this banishment - there are far worse crimes out there and to be honest you see that at most walks of life that people turn up late a lot . Obviously he needs to cut it out and it looks like he is - so good welcome back Nile and now repay us with goals or assists!
Turning up late is not the same as failing to turn up either ? How late ? Five minutes ? Half an hour ? We don't know ! Where does Nile have to travel from each day ? Gambia Street ? Cricklade ? London ? So much we fans don't know !
**** is it just because he turns up late, he has failed to turn up and coming from his own mouth "i am a wrongan" his spelling is as poor as he is at being a man and who gives a flying fig where he has to travel from. (shame it wasn`t thousands of miles further)
Come on you ar5e crawling feckers get that thumbs down button going.(that hurts me) but not half as much as seeing this useless piece of shat pulling on a Swindon shirt.
I wonder how many of you would like to see him play Saturday if he was accussed of raping your Mirs. Sister, Daughter mmm i fecking know the answer to that already.
Biggest mistake of a signing ever or for at least the 30plus years i have supported the Town.
MORALS look the word up.
Steve, I do take your point buddy, your so right.
But, and you knew there just had to be a "But" in there, please don't go mad, but I do feel until the trial has taken place and he is found guilty by his peers, we have to try and treat him as fair as possible.
I agree that turning up late, without a reasonable excuse should be punishable, but the lad if innocent, must be going through a whole f*ck load of emotional issues as is the victim I should imagine.
Lets, just see what happens and play some good football whether he's in the squad or not.
And like everyone else, my heart does go out to the victim of anything like that. I have 3 daughters aged 24, 16 and 13. It would friggen kill me if I was affected with anything like that, so, for that reason I do understand the point your making :-))

Regards, Louis.
[quote][p][bold]Steve. Brentford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Well I was delighted to read that headline as the simple fact is we are MUCH STRONGER when Nile is in the team than when he is not . On ability he has to be easily top 3 in our squad and would be one of the first names on the teamsheet . As OTR has said it is only turning up late that has led to this banishment - there are far worse crimes out there and to be honest you see that at most walks of life that people turn up late a lot . Obviously he needs to cut it out and it looks like he is - so good welcome back Nile and now repay us with goals or assists![/p][/quote]Turning up late is not the same as failing to turn up either ? How late ? Five minutes ? Half an hour ? We don't know ! Where does Nile have to travel from each day ? Gambia Street ? Cricklade ? London ? So much we fans don't know ![/p][/quote]**** is it just because he turns up late, he has failed to turn up and coming from his own mouth "i am a wrongan" his spelling is as poor as he is at being a man and who gives a flying fig where he has to travel from. (shame it wasn`t thousands of miles further) Come on you ar5e crawling feckers get that thumbs down button going.(that hurts me) but not half as much as seeing this useless piece of shat pulling on a Swindon shirt. I wonder how many of you would like to see him play Saturday if he was accussed of raping your Mirs. Sister, Daughter mmm i fecking know the answer to that already. Biggest mistake of a signing ever or for at least the 30plus years i have supported the Town. MORALS look the word up.[/p][/quote]Steve, I do take your point buddy, your so right. But, and you knew there just had to be a "But" in there, please don't go mad, but I do feel until the trial has taken place and he is found guilty by his peers, we have to try and treat him as fair as possible. I agree that turning up late, without a reasonable excuse should be punishable, but the lad if innocent, must be going through a whole f*ck load of emotional issues as is the victim I should imagine. Lets, just see what happens and play some good football whether he's in the squad or not. And like everyone else, my heart does go out to the victim of anything like that. I have 3 daughters aged 24, 16 and 13. It would friggen kill me if I was affected with anything like that, so, for that reason I do understand the point your making :-)) Regards, Louis. louiscassius

2:53pm Fri 20 Dec 13

jayden says...

Right here's another spin on it .My Grandson has just started playing but the team he plays for has been together for a year so all though he is good enough to start every time he has had to wait his time, when he asks me why he's not starting I tell him keep training hard and you will get in. Now I took him to see the Carlise game (HIS 2 GAME} and he was took more by the name Ranger than his play but when Ranger came on he thought he was great. Then my Grandson said is Ranger playing against shefield I said no because he hasn't been training he said "well if you don't train you don't play".
Right here's another spin on it .My Grandson has just started playing but the team he plays for has been together for a year so all though he is good enough to start every time he has had to wait his time, when he asks me why he's not starting I tell him keep training hard and you will get in. Now I took him to see the Carlise game (HIS 2 GAME} and he was took more by the name Ranger than his play but when Ranger came on he thought he was great. Then my Grandson said is Ranger playing against shefield I said no because he hasn't been training he said "well if you don't train you don't play". jayden

3:02pm Fri 20 Dec 13

Oi Den! says...

jayden wrote:
Right here's another spin on it .My Grandson has just started playing but the team he plays for has been together for a year so all though he is good enough to start every time he has had to wait his time, when he asks me why he's not starting I tell him keep training hard and you will get in. Now I took him to see the Carlise game (HIS 2 GAME} and he was took more by the name Ranger than his play but when Ranger came on he thought he was great. Then my Grandson said is Ranger playing against shefield I said no because he hasn't been training he said "well if you don't train you don't play".
That's not another spin jayden. It's the whole point summed up very well.
[quote][p][bold]jayden[/bold] wrote: Right here's another spin on it .My Grandson has just started playing but the team he plays for has been together for a year so all though he is good enough to start every time he has had to wait his time, when he asks me why he's not starting I tell him keep training hard and you will get in. Now I took him to see the Carlise game (HIS 2 GAME} and he was took more by the name Ranger than his play but when Ranger came on he thought he was great. Then my Grandson said is Ranger playing against shefield I said no because he hasn't been training he said "well if you don't train you don't play".[/p][/quote]That's not another spin jayden. It's the whole point summed up very well. Oi Den!

3:17pm Fri 20 Dec 13

Another view says...

Steve, I'm with you on the morals issue. The trouble though is that only a small minority in this country agree. Look at the national icons, Best and Gazza, taking just two examples. They were both given more chances than I've had hot dinners, yet nobody in their right mind ever believed that either of them would give up their drinking, wife-beating, gambling...
Steve, I'm with you on the morals issue. The trouble though is that only a small minority in this country agree. Look at the national icons, Best and Gazza, taking just two examples. They were both given more chances than I've had hot dinners, yet nobody in their right mind ever believed that either of them would give up their drinking, wife-beating, gambling... Another view

3:39pm Fri 20 Dec 13

jayden says...

Oi Den! wrote:
jayden wrote:
Right here's another spin on it .My Grandson has just started playing but the team he plays for has been together for a year so all though he is good enough to start every time he has had to wait his time, when he asks me why he's not starting I tell him keep training hard and you will get in. Now I took him to see the Carlise game (HIS 2 GAME} and he was took more by the name Ranger than his play but when Ranger came on he thought he was great. Then my Grandson said is Ranger playing against shefield I said no because he hasn't been training he said "well if you don't train you don't play".
That's not another spin jayden. It's the whole point summed up very well.
Cheer's Den.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayden[/bold] wrote: Right here's another spin on it .My Grandson has just started playing but the team he plays for has been together for a year so all though he is good enough to start every time he has had to wait his time, when he asks me why he's not starting I tell him keep training hard and you will get in. Now I took him to see the Carlise game (HIS 2 GAME} and he was took more by the name Ranger than his play but when Ranger came on he thought he was great. Then my Grandson said is Ranger playing against shefield I said no because he hasn't been training he said "well if you don't train you don't play".[/p][/quote]That's not another spin jayden. It's the whole point summed up very well.[/p][/quote]Cheer's Den. jayden

3:41pm Fri 20 Dec 13

hertz says...

Jayden , When I played I trained really hard , was always one of the first at training and always early on match days some days we would be bare to the boards at kick off the manager would say "right we only have 11 men for kick off so Hertz your sub" , thats because some lazy gifted bu**er that never trained might turn up 5 mins late and the manager would want him staright on the pitch . . COYR
Jayden , When I played I trained really hard , was always one of the first at training and always early on match days some days we would be bare to the boards at kick off the manager would say "right we only have 11 men for kick off so Hertz your sub" , thats because some lazy gifted bu**er that never trained might turn up 5 mins late and the manager would want him staright on the pitch . . COYR hertz

3:50pm Fri 20 Dec 13

Oxon-Red says...

Steve. Brentford wrote:
umpcah wrote:
London Red wrote: Well I was delighted to read that headline as the simple fact is we are MUCH STRONGER when Nile is in the team than when he is not . On ability he has to be easily top 3 in our squad and would be one of the first names on the teamsheet . As OTR has said it is only turning up late that has led to this banishment - there are far worse crimes out there and to be honest you see that at most walks of life that people turn up late a lot . Obviously he needs to cut it out and it looks like he is - so good welcome back Nile and now repay us with goals or assists!
Turning up late is not the same as failing to turn up either ? How late ? Five minutes ? Half an hour ? We don't know ! Where does Nile have to travel from each day ? Gambia Street ? Cricklade ? London ? So much we fans don't know !
**** is it just because he turns up late, he has failed to turn up and coming from his own mouth "i am a wrongan" his spelling is as poor as he is at being a man and who gives a flying fig where he has to travel from. (shame it wasn`t thousands of miles further) Come on you ar5e crawling feckers get that thumbs down button going.(that hurts me) but not half as much as seeing this useless piece of shat pulling on a Swindon shirt. I wonder how many of you would like to see him play Saturday if he was accussed of raping your Mirs. Sister, Daughter mmm i fecking know the answer to that already. Biggest mistake of a signing ever or for at least the 30plus years i have supported the Town. MORALS look the word up.
Steve, agree with the sentiments but in my book he has to be found guilty by a court first.

You mention the daughter argument but consider how you would feel if you were wrongly accused of raping someone else's sister/wife.

Key here is the accusation which has to be proven IMO.

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]Steve. Brentford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Well I was delighted to read that headline as the simple fact is we are MUCH STRONGER when Nile is in the team than when he is not . On ability he has to be easily top 3 in our squad and would be one of the first names on the teamsheet . As OTR has said it is only turning up late that has led to this banishment - there are far worse crimes out there and to be honest you see that at most walks of life that people turn up late a lot . Obviously he needs to cut it out and it looks like he is - so good welcome back Nile and now repay us with goals or assists![/p][/quote]Turning up late is not the same as failing to turn up either ? How late ? Five minutes ? Half an hour ? We don't know ! Where does Nile have to travel from each day ? Gambia Street ? Cricklade ? London ? So much we fans don't know ![/p][/quote]**** is it just because he turns up late, he has failed to turn up and coming from his own mouth "i am a wrongan" his spelling is as poor as he is at being a man and who gives a flying fig where he has to travel from. (shame it wasn`t thousands of miles further) Come on you ar5e crawling feckers get that thumbs down button going.(that hurts me) but not half as much as seeing this useless piece of shat pulling on a Swindon shirt. I wonder how many of you would like to see him play Saturday if he was accussed of raping your Mirs. Sister, Daughter mmm i fecking know the answer to that already. Biggest mistake of a signing ever or for at least the 30plus years i have supported the Town. MORALS look the word up.[/p][/quote]Steve, agree with the sentiments but in my book he has to be found guilty by a court first. You mention the daughter argument but consider how you would feel if you were wrongly accused of raping someone else's sister/wife. Key here is the accusation which has to be proven IMO. COYMR Oxon-Red

4:02pm Fri 20 Dec 13

jayden says...

hertz wrote:
Jayden , When I played I trained really hard , was always one of the first at training and always early on match days some days we would be bare to the boards at kick off the manager would say "right we only have 11 men for kick off so Hertz your sub" , thats because some lazy gifted bu**er that never trained might turn up 5 mins late and the manager would want him staright on the pitch . . COYR
Take your point but if that happened then you were a fool to put up with it and should have found another club I know what you mean though I played in a game that the manager was about to sub me I then scored 4 goals in 10 mins and as I scored the fourth I went over and said you can take me off now .He never played me again for saying that even though I ended the season as top goal scorer . New club the following season . But looking back now I can see his point of view .............er hold no I can't .
[quote][p][bold]hertz[/bold] wrote: Jayden , When I played I trained really hard , was always one of the first at training and always early on match days some days we would be bare to the boards at kick off the manager would say "right we only have 11 men for kick off so Hertz your sub" , thats because some lazy gifted bu**er that never trained might turn up 5 mins late and the manager would want him staright on the pitch . . COYR[/p][/quote]Take your point but if that happened then you were a fool to put up with it and should have found another club I know what you mean though I played in a game that the manager was about to sub me I then scored 4 goals in 10 mins and as I scored the fourth I went over and said you can take me off now .He never played me again for saying that even though I ended the season as top goal scorer . New club the following season . But looking back now I can see his point of view .............er hold no I can't . jayden

4:42pm Fri 20 Dec 13

Oi Den! says...

Oxon-Red wrote:
Steve. Brentford wrote:
umpcah wrote:
London Red wrote: Well I was delighted to read that headline as the simple fact is we are MUCH STRONGER when Nile is in the team than when he is not . On ability he has to be easily top 3 in our squad and would be one of the first names on the teamsheet . As OTR has said it is only turning up late that has led to this banishment - there are far worse crimes out there and to be honest you see that at most walks of life that people turn up late a lot . Obviously he needs to cut it out and it looks like he is - so good welcome back Nile and now repay us with goals or assists!
Turning up late is not the same as failing to turn up either ? How late ? Five minutes ? Half an hour ? We don't know ! Where does Nile have to travel from each day ? Gambia Street ? Cricklade ? London ? So much we fans don't know !
**** is it just because he turns up late, he has failed to turn up and coming from his own mouth "i am a wrongan" his spelling is as poor as he is at being a man and who gives a flying fig where he has to travel from. (shame it wasn`t thousands of miles further) Come on you ar5e crawling feckers get that thumbs down button going.(that hurts me) but not half as much as seeing this useless piece of shat pulling on a Swindon shirt. I wonder how many of you would like to see him play Saturday if he was accussed of raping your Mirs. Sister, Daughter mmm i fecking know the answer to that already. Biggest mistake of a signing ever or for at least the 30plus years i have supported the Town. MORALS look the word up.
Steve, agree with the sentiments but in my book he has to be found guilty by a court first.

You mention the daughter argument but consider how you would feel if you were wrongly accused of raping someone else's sister/wife.

Key here is the accusation which has to be proven IMO.

COYMR
That's a fair point Oxon. But why don't we leave the rape trial out of it and concentrate on what he's done at STFC to incur the manager's wrath? From what I can gather, it's exactly what he's done everywhere else he's been. Then of course there's the armed robbery, the assault and the kicking in of his girlfriend's door - but of course that was OK because he "thought she was being kidnapped".

I really hope Ranger is found not guilty of rape and I really hope he IS not guilty of rape. Whatever happens, the fact remains that the club took a massive gamble on him, regardless of that. So far he's been true to form and proved the gamble was foolish. Let's hope he truly has turned the corner this time and, even at this late stage, makes the gamble worthwhile after all.
[quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steve. Brentford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Well I was delighted to read that headline as the simple fact is we are MUCH STRONGER when Nile is in the team than when he is not . On ability he has to be easily top 3 in our squad and would be one of the first names on the teamsheet . As OTR has said it is only turning up late that has led to this banishment - there are far worse crimes out there and to be honest you see that at most walks of life that people turn up late a lot . Obviously he needs to cut it out and it looks like he is - so good welcome back Nile and now repay us with goals or assists![/p][/quote]Turning up late is not the same as failing to turn up either ? How late ? Five minutes ? Half an hour ? We don't know ! Where does Nile have to travel from each day ? Gambia Street ? Cricklade ? London ? So much we fans don't know ![/p][/quote]**** is it just because he turns up late, he has failed to turn up and coming from his own mouth "i am a wrongan" his spelling is as poor as he is at being a man and who gives a flying fig where he has to travel from. (shame it wasn`t thousands of miles further) Come on you ar5e crawling feckers get that thumbs down button going.(that hurts me) but not half as much as seeing this useless piece of shat pulling on a Swindon shirt. I wonder how many of you would like to see him play Saturday if he was accussed of raping your Mirs. Sister, Daughter mmm i fecking know the answer to that already. Biggest mistake of a signing ever or for at least the 30plus years i have supported the Town. MORALS look the word up.[/p][/quote]Steve, agree with the sentiments but in my book he has to be found guilty by a court first. You mention the daughter argument but consider how you would feel if you were wrongly accused of raping someone else's sister/wife. Key here is the accusation which has to be proven IMO. COYMR[/p][/quote]That's a fair point Oxon. But why don't we leave the rape trial out of it and concentrate on what he's done at STFC to incur the manager's wrath? From what I can gather, it's exactly what he's done everywhere else he's been. Then of course there's the armed robbery, the assault and the kicking in of his girlfriend's door - but of course that was OK because he "thought she was being kidnapped". I really hope Ranger is found not guilty of rape and I really hope he IS not guilty of rape. Whatever happens, the fact remains that the club took a massive gamble on him, regardless of that. So far he's been true to form and proved the gamble was foolish. Let's hope he truly has turned the corner this time and, even at this late stage, makes the gamble worthwhile after all. Oi Den!

5:07pm Fri 20 Dec 13

louiscassius says...

jayden wrote:
hertz wrote:
Jayden , When I played I trained really hard , was always one of the first at training and always early on match days some days we would be bare to the boards at kick off the manager would say "right we only have 11 men for kick off so Hertz your sub" , thats because some lazy gifted bu**er that never trained might turn up 5 mins late and the manager would want him staright on the pitch . . COYR
Take your point but if that happened then you were a fool to put up with it and should have found another club I know what you mean though I played in a game that the manager was about to sub me I then scored 4 goals in 10 mins and as I scored the fourth I went over and said you can take me off now .He never played me again for saying that even though I ended the season as top goal scorer . New club the following season . But looking back now I can see his point of view .............er hold no I can't .
OMG, that's so football......

Ego's and who ya know. That's what is killing English football, youngsters with amazing talent being left out, for what ever reason.....

The way to change Englands fortunes is obvious to me.

Change our mindset, give talent a chance, let it blossom and grow.....nurture it, build upon it.......

Let out home grown youngsters bloom into something amazing.......

We only learn from out mistakes......and become better players and people.....

COYR'ssss
[quote][p][bold]jayden[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hertz[/bold] wrote: Jayden , When I played I trained really hard , was always one of the first at training and always early on match days some days we would be bare to the boards at kick off the manager would say "right we only have 11 men for kick off so Hertz your sub" , thats because some lazy gifted bu**er that never trained might turn up 5 mins late and the manager would want him staright on the pitch . . COYR[/p][/quote]Take your point but if that happened then you were a fool to put up with it and should have found another club I know what you mean though I played in a game that the manager was about to sub me I then scored 4 goals in 10 mins and as I scored the fourth I went over and said you can take me off now .He never played me again for saying that even though I ended the season as top goal scorer . New club the following season . But looking back now I can see his point of view .............er hold no I can't .[/p][/quote]OMG, that's so football...... Ego's and who ya know. That's what is killing English football, youngsters with amazing talent being left out, for what ever reason..... The way to change Englands fortunes is obvious to me. Change our mindset, give talent a chance, let it blossom and grow.....nurture it, build upon it....... Let out home grown youngsters bloom into something amazing....... We only learn from out mistakes......and become better players and people..... COYR'ssss louiscassius

5:17pm Fri 20 Dec 13

London Red says...

Foolish? Really?
.
Ranger has played in 13 of the 20 League games this season - or 13 of the 17 he was actually here for!
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Of those 13 games we have won 7 (54%) Drawn 2 (15%) and lost 4 (31%)
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Of the 7 games he has missed we have only won 2 drawn 1 yet lost a 4 - or 57% of those games!
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He has also contributed 6 goals in spell here and made numerous others as well - i.e. V Carlisle
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Plus helped our finances with his excellent performance at QPR - yet another win with him in the team!
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Think if you look at the vital stats it shows we took a great gamble which has paid off as he is a major factor in us being where we are
.
I'm more confident going in tomorrow knowing Ranger could be involved than if he was not and the actual facts show why!
Foolish? Really? . Ranger has played in 13 of the 20 League games this season - or 13 of the 17 he was actually here for! . Of those 13 games we have won 7 (54%) Drawn 2 (15%) and lost 4 (31%) . Of the 7 games he has missed we have only won 2 drawn 1 yet lost a 4 - or 57% of those games! . He has also contributed 6 goals in spell here and made numerous others as well - i.e. V Carlisle . Plus helped our finances with his excellent performance at QPR - yet another win with him in the team! . Think if you look at the vital stats it shows we took a great gamble which has paid off as he is a major factor in us being where we are . I'm more confident going in tomorrow knowing Ranger could be involved than if he was not and the actual facts show why! London Red

5:30pm Fri 20 Dec 13

smirg kcab says...

Every door shuts another one opens.
Goals tomorrow now
Every door shuts another one opens. Goals tomorrow now smirg kcab

5:40pm Fri 20 Dec 13

jayden says...

London Red wrote:
Foolish? Really?
.
Ranger has played in 13 of the 20 League games this season - or 13 of the 17 he was actually here for!
.
Of those 13 games we have won 7 (54%) Drawn 2 (15%) and lost 4 (31%)
.
Of the 7 games he has missed we have only won 2 drawn 1 yet lost a 4 - or 57% of those games!
.
He has also contributed 6 goals in spell here and made numerous others as well - i.e. V Carlisle
.
Plus helped our finances with his excellent performance at QPR - yet another win with him in the team!
.
Think if you look at the vital stats it shows we took a great gamble which has paid off as he is a major factor in us being where we are
.
I'm more confident going in tomorrow knowing Ranger could be involved than if he was not and the actual facts show why!
Ok great so lets have a team that turns up for training when they want goes out every night ,talks like gangsters calls the opposite sex ****'s have no respect for anyone. All the stats in the world but 9 O clock means 9 O clock NOT 21 hundred hours. You surprise me LR I thought you would have more strict views on this and its as though you are saying "Its all right as long as he plays well its ok . Well fair enough you are entitled to yours but I would want to be fair to the other players as coop's is being and I know I would want to play for him .
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Foolish? Really? . Ranger has played in 13 of the 20 League games this season - or 13 of the 17 he was actually here for! . Of those 13 games we have won 7 (54%) Drawn 2 (15%) and lost 4 (31%) . Of the 7 games he has missed we have only won 2 drawn 1 yet lost a 4 - or 57% of those games! . He has also contributed 6 goals in spell here and made numerous others as well - i.e. V Carlisle . Plus helped our finances with his excellent performance at QPR - yet another win with him in the team! . Think if you look at the vital stats it shows we took a great gamble which has paid off as he is a major factor in us being where we are . I'm more confident going in tomorrow knowing Ranger could be involved than if he was not and the actual facts show why![/p][/quote]Ok great so lets have a team that turns up for training when they want goes out every night ,talks like gangsters calls the opposite sex ****'s have no respect for anyone. All the stats in the world but 9 O clock means 9 O clock NOT 21 hundred hours. You surprise me LR I thought you would have more strict views on this and its as though you are saying "Its all right as long as he plays well its ok . Well fair enough you are entitled to yours but I would want to be fair to the other players as coop's is being and I know I would want to play for him . jayden

5:50pm Fri 20 Dec 13

the don69 says...

London Red wrote:
Foolish? Really?
.
Ranger has played in 13 of the 20 League games this season - or 13 of the 17 he was actually here for!
.
Of those 13 games we have won 7 (54%) Drawn 2 (15%) and lost 4 (31%)
.
Of the 7 games he has missed we have only won 2 drawn 1 yet lost a 4 - or 57% of those games!
.
He has also contributed 6 goals in spell here and made numerous others as well - i.e. V Carlisle
.
Plus helped our finances with his excellent performance at QPR - yet another win with him in the team!
.
Think if you look at the vital stats it shows we took a great gamble which has paid off as he is a major factor in us being where we are
.
I'm more confident going in tomorrow knowing Ranger could be involved than if he was not and the actual facts show why!
That's really not the point ol boy LR or is it FW IT'S W! we all know Nile is a top player and I was one for giving him a chance!but he's now taking the p1ss and doing his own thing!If you want the Town to be a family club?this has not done our image any good,there comes a time when STFC should say the morals and attitude of the man come be for how good of a player he is!!!!!!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Foolish? Really? . Ranger has played in 13 of the 20 League games this season - or 13 of the 17 he was actually here for! . Of those 13 games we have won 7 (54%) Drawn 2 (15%) and lost 4 (31%) . Of the 7 games he has missed we have only won 2 drawn 1 yet lost a 4 - or 57% of those games! . He has also contributed 6 goals in spell here and made numerous others as well - i.e. V Carlisle . Plus helped our finances with his excellent performance at QPR - yet another win with him in the team! . Think if you look at the vital stats it shows we took a great gamble which has paid off as he is a major factor in us being where we are . I'm more confident going in tomorrow knowing Ranger could be involved than if he was not and the actual facts show why![/p][/quote]That's really not the point ol boy LR or is it FW IT'S W! we all know Nile is a top player and I was one for giving him a chance!but he's now taking the p1ss and doing his own thing!If you want the Town to be a family club?this has not done our image any good,there comes a time when STFC should say the morals and attitude of the man come be for how good of a player he is!!!!!!!!!!!! the don69

5:52pm Fri 20 Dec 13

jayden says...

louiscassius wrote:
jayden wrote:
hertz wrote:
Jayden , When I played I trained really hard , was always one of the first at training and always early on match days some days we would be bare to the boards at kick off the manager would say "right we only have 11 men for kick off so Hertz your sub" , thats because some lazy gifted bu**er that never trained might turn up 5 mins late and the manager would want him staright on the pitch . . COYR
Take your point but if that happened then you were a fool to put up with it and should have found another club I know what you mean though I played in a game that the manager was about to sub me I then scored 4 goals in 10 mins and as I scored the fourth I went over and said you can take me off now .He never played me again for saying that even though I ended the season as top goal scorer . New club the following season . But looking back now I can see his point of view .............er hold no I can't .
OMG, that's so football......

Ego's and who ya know. That's what is killing English football, youngsters with amazing talent being left out, for what ever reason.....

The way to change Englands fortunes is obvious to me.

Change our mindset, give talent a chance, let it blossom and grow.....nurture it, build upon it.......

Let out home grown youngsters bloom into something amazing.......

We only learn from out mistakes......and become better players and people.....

COYR'ssss
Hi Louis how are you I have not posted to you for a long time . To be fair I have just got back into the children' s football having run a team 15 years ago .No I am not that old (45) but found myself back in to he boys football with my Grandson George and found that it has all changed for the better ,smaller pitch's 2 games practice pens (SHOOT OUT) after each game less players in each team . I am taking my badges which is all Paid for by the F.A.
[quote][p][bold]louiscassius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayden[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hertz[/bold] wrote: Jayden , When I played I trained really hard , was always one of the first at training and always early on match days some days we would be bare to the boards at kick off the manager would say "right we only have 11 men for kick off so Hertz your sub" , thats because some lazy gifted bu**er that never trained might turn up 5 mins late and the manager would want him staright on the pitch . . COYR[/p][/quote]Take your point but if that happened then you were a fool to put up with it and should have found another club I know what you mean though I played in a game that the manager was about to sub me I then scored 4 goals in 10 mins and as I scored the fourth I went over and said you can take me off now .He never played me again for saying that even though I ended the season as top goal scorer . New club the following season . But looking back now I can see his point of view .............er hold no I can't .[/p][/quote]OMG, that's so football...... Ego's and who ya know. That's what is killing English football, youngsters with amazing talent being left out, for what ever reason..... The way to change Englands fortunes is obvious to me. Change our mindset, give talent a chance, let it blossom and grow.....nurture it, build upon it....... Let out home grown youngsters bloom into something amazing....... We only learn from out mistakes......and become better players and people..... COYR'ssss[/p][/quote]Hi Louis how are you I have not posted to you for a long time . To be fair I have just got back into the children' s football having run a team 15 years ago .No I am not that old (45) but found myself back in to he boys football with my Grandson George and found that it has all changed for the better ,smaller pitch's 2 games practice pens (SHOOT OUT) after each game less players in each team . I am taking my badges which is all Paid for by the F.A. jayden

5:54pm Fri 20 Dec 13

jayden says...

the don69 wrote:
London Red wrote:
Foolish? Really?
.
Ranger has played in 13 of the 20 League games this season - or 13 of the 17 he was actually here for!
.
Of those 13 games we have won 7 (54%) Drawn 2 (15%) and lost 4 (31%)
.
Of the 7 games he has missed we have only won 2 drawn 1 yet lost a 4 - or 57% of those games!
.
He has also contributed 6 goals in spell here and made numerous others as well - i.e. V Carlisle
.
Plus helped our finances with his excellent performance at QPR - yet another win with him in the team!
.
Think if you look at the vital stats it shows we took a great gamble which has paid off as he is a major factor in us being where we are
.
I'm more confident going in tomorrow knowing Ranger could be involved than if he was not and the actual facts show why!
That's really not the point ol boy LR or is it FW IT'S W! we all know Nile is a top player and I was one for giving him a chance!but he's now taking the p1ss and doing his own thing!If you want the Town to be a family club?this has not done our image any good,there comes a time when STFC should say the morals and attitude of the man come be for how good of a player he is!!!!!!!!!!!!
Spot on Don .
[quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Foolish? Really? . Ranger has played in 13 of the 20 League games this season - or 13 of the 17 he was actually here for! . Of those 13 games we have won 7 (54%) Drawn 2 (15%) and lost 4 (31%) . Of the 7 games he has missed we have only won 2 drawn 1 yet lost a 4 - or 57% of those games! . He has also contributed 6 goals in spell here and made numerous others as well - i.e. V Carlisle . Plus helped our finances with his excellent performance at QPR - yet another win with him in the team! . Think if you look at the vital stats it shows we took a great gamble which has paid off as he is a major factor in us being where we are . I'm more confident going in tomorrow knowing Ranger could be involved than if he was not and the actual facts show why![/p][/quote]That's really not the point ol boy LR or is it FW IT'S W! we all know Nile is a top player and I was one for giving him a chance!but he's now taking the p1ss and doing his own thing!If you want the Town to be a family club?this has not done our image any good,there comes a time when STFC should say the morals and attitude of the man come be for how good of a player he is!!!!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Spot on Don . jayden

6:18pm Fri 20 Dec 13

Oi Den! says...

Yes LR, foolish. Foolish because we've employed a player who has unsettled the squad and disrupted preparations for games - not once but repeatedly. And please don't try to tell us that the extent of this disruption is turning up to training a few minutes late on a handful of occasions. Do you not think Cooper would be doing his utmost to defend Ranger and play him in every game if that was the case?

Sometimes your statistics are useful to support an argument. In this case they are a complete waste of time. As Don says, everyone knows how good Ranger is. Everyone knows we are weaker without him. I'd go as far as to say he could make a difference of several places in the league table come the end of the season. What many of us are saying is we want to see a club where players are valued and rewarded for the work they put into it, not just because they happen to have a talent that they use when they choose and take the pi55 for the rest of the time.
Yes LR, foolish. Foolish because we've employed a player who has unsettled the squad and disrupted preparations for games - not once but repeatedly. And please don't try to tell us that the extent of this disruption is turning up to training a few minutes late on a handful of occasions. Do you not think Cooper would be doing his utmost to defend Ranger and play him in every game if that was the case? Sometimes your statistics are useful to support an argument. In this case they are a complete waste of time. As Don says, everyone knows how good Ranger is. Everyone knows we are weaker without him. I'd go as far as to say he could make a difference of several places in the league table come the end of the season. What many of us are saying is we want to see a club where players are valued and rewarded for the work they put into it, not just because they happen to have a talent that they use when they choose and take the pi55 for the rest of the time. Oi Den!

6:24pm Fri 20 Dec 13

London Red says...

Ranger caused no trouble for months when he first arrived and we were rewarded as the performances and subsequent results showed
.
He then went off the rails - some may sympathise with this - some obviously don't!
.
Now going AWOL etc is not acceptable and this needed addressing - the club granted him time off to help some may sympathise with this - some obviously don't!
.
Since then he has returned and not gone AWOL - OK he has turned up late and that needs addressing - which correct me if I'm wrong seems to be as he has been on time all week
.
I don't buy into all this family club reputation b@llcack - if you try and take a moral high ground then most footballers who put on the shirt shouldn't be allowed at the club and a section of the fan base either!
.
Is taking advantage of your grieving manager to go out on the **** morally right for example?
.
Or sleeping with team mates wife? We've seen that more than once!
.
Or being found guilty of attacking someone in a club?
.
Going out and getting pi1ssed the night before a news day game acceptable? Seen that followed up by a home drubbing!!!!
.
If found guilty in Jan then obviously that will be totally different as that is a criminal event and he will be in jail
.
However if not guilty - post his trial if it continues the sympathy will disappear and more disciplinary action such as fines should be taken - then if required his contract should not be renewed
.
However - for now I want the team to do the best it can and if Ranger has been in training all week - put him in as he is the best player in that position
Ranger caused no trouble for months when he first arrived and we were rewarded as the performances and subsequent results showed . He then went off the rails - some may sympathise with this - some obviously don't! . Now going AWOL etc is not acceptable and this needed addressing - the club granted him time off to help some may sympathise with this - some obviously don't! . Since then he has returned and not gone AWOL - OK he has turned up late and that needs addressing - which correct me if I'm wrong seems to be as he has been on time all week . I don't buy into all this family club reputation b@llcack - if you try and take a moral high ground then most footballers who put on the shirt shouldn't be allowed at the club and a section of the fan base either! . Is taking advantage of your grieving manager to go out on the **** morally right for example? . Or sleeping with team mates wife? We've seen that more than once! . Or being found guilty of attacking someone in a club? . Going out and getting pi1ssed the night before a news day game acceptable? Seen that followed up by a home drubbing!!!! . If found guilty in Jan then obviously that will be totally different as that is a criminal event and he will be in jail . However if not guilty - post his trial if it continues the sympathy will disappear and more disciplinary action such as fines should be taken - then if required his contract should not be renewed . However - for now I want the team to do the best it can and if Ranger has been in training all week - put him in as he is the best player in that position London Red

7:01pm Fri 20 Dec 13

the wizard says...

Ranger coming to the club was always going to divide supporters opinion in the same way McCormick did last season, when Wray said he would leave if attitudes didn't moderate.
Is the club right or wrong, are supporters right or wrong with their views. Some would and do argue their corner with energy, but the main question is, did the club need somebody as controversial as this, the answer to that is probably a sound No, but did the club have much money when he was signed, probably not, and have we needed his goals, we yes, as we are poor in that department. So the answer was all about compromise and maybe selling on with a profit when all the dust settles or the other way, his contract is cancelled in the event of him landing up in clink. No investment by us, we'll take the goals and any sell on profit.. Personally I would have not hired him, but his goals however may well prove priceless after the 46th league game. Either way he needs to shed his baggage and get on with things no matter which way the court go with their decision.
Ranger coming to the club was always going to divide supporters opinion in the same way McCormick did last season, when Wray said he would leave if attitudes didn't moderate. Is the club right or wrong, are supporters right or wrong with their views. Some would and do argue their corner with energy, but the main question is, did the club need somebody as controversial as this, the answer to that is probably a sound No, but did the club have much money when he was signed, probably not, and have we needed his goals, we yes, as we are poor in that department. So the answer was all about compromise and maybe selling on with a profit when all the dust settles or the other way, his contract is cancelled in the event of him landing up in clink. No investment by us, we'll take the goals and any sell on profit.. Personally I would have not hired him, but his goals however may well prove priceless after the 46th league game. Either way he needs to shed his baggage and get on with things no matter which way the court go with their decision. the wizard

7:07pm Fri 20 Dec 13

bluesharpbob says...

Nile Rangers' time here is very limited and I'm sure he would have been shown the door by now, if that had been possible.

He might behave for a short period of time, but it's unlikely that, it will last. It's a pity, because his ability could have been very useful to a young inexperienced side.

I always try to write positive comments about this club and team, but with Nile that's very difficult. He will not last much longer here...that's for sure.
Nile Rangers' time here is very limited and I'm sure he would have been shown the door by now, if that had been possible. He might behave for a short period of time, but it's unlikely that, it will last. It's a pity, because his ability could have been very useful to a young inexperienced side. I always try to write positive comments about this club and team, but with Nile that's very difficult. He will not last much longer here...that's for sure. bluesharpbob

8:22pm Fri 20 Dec 13

Oxon-Red says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Oxon-Red wrote:
Steve. Brentford wrote:
umpcah wrote:
London Red wrote: Well I was delighted to read that headline as the simple fact is we are MUCH STRONGER when Nile is in the team than when he is not . On ability he has to be easily top 3 in our squad and would be one of the first names on the teamsheet . As OTR has said it is only turning up late that has led to this banishment - there are far worse crimes out there and to be honest you see that at most walks of life that people turn up late a lot . Obviously he needs to cut it out and it looks like he is - so good welcome back Nile and now repay us with goals or assists!
Turning up late is not the same as failing to turn up either ? How late ? Five minutes ? Half an hour ? We don't know ! Where does Nile have to travel from each day ? Gambia Street ? Cricklade ? London ? So much we fans don't know !
**** is it just because he turns up late, he has failed to turn up and coming from his own mouth "i am a wrongan" his spelling is as poor as he is at being a man and who gives a flying fig where he has to travel from. (shame it wasn`t thousands of miles further) Come on you ar5e crawling feckers get that thumbs down button going.(that hurts me) but not half as much as seeing this useless piece of shat pulling on a Swindon shirt. I wonder how many of you would like to see him play Saturday if he was accussed of raping your Mirs. Sister, Daughter mmm i fecking know the answer to that already. Biggest mistake of a signing ever or for at least the 30plus years i have supported the Town. MORALS look the word up.
Steve, agree with the sentiments but in my book he has to be found guilty by a court first.

You mention the daughter argument but consider how you would feel if you were wrongly accused of raping someone else's sister/wife.

Key here is the accusation which has to be proven IMO.

COYMR
That's a fair point Oxon. But why don't we leave the rape trial out of it and concentrate on what he's done at STFC to incur the manager's wrath? From what I can gather, it's exactly what he's done everywhere else he's been. Then of course there's the armed robbery, the assault and the kicking in of his girlfriend's door - but of course that was OK because he "thought she was being kidnapped".

I really hope Ranger is found not guilty of rape and I really hope he IS not guilty of rape. Whatever happens, the fact remains that the club took a massive gamble on him, regardless of that. So far he's been true to form and proved the gamble was foolish. Let's hope he truly has turned the corner this time and, even at this late stage, makes the gamble worthwhile after all.
Hi Den,

I was unaware of the other misdemeanours you have identified and accept from what you say that he is not an angel but I assume he has been punished. Whether the punishment was harsh enough or not is another story.

I think my point was more that he should not be judged and assumed to be guilty because he has done stupid things in the past.

Rape can be a difficult crime to prove as it usually involves only accuser and accused. It can also be used nastily by the accuser and wrongful accusations can destroy the life of the accused.

IMO it is right that he is allowed to continue to work until his trial. If guilty, lock him up and chuck the key away.

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steve. Brentford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Well I was delighted to read that headline as the simple fact is we are MUCH STRONGER when Nile is in the team than when he is not . On ability he has to be easily top 3 in our squad and would be one of the first names on the teamsheet . As OTR has said it is only turning up late that has led to this banishment - there are far worse crimes out there and to be honest you see that at most walks of life that people turn up late a lot . Obviously he needs to cut it out and it looks like he is - so good welcome back Nile and now repay us with goals or assists![/p][/quote]Turning up late is not the same as failing to turn up either ? How late ? Five minutes ? Half an hour ? We don't know ! Where does Nile have to travel from each day ? Gambia Street ? Cricklade ? London ? So much we fans don't know ![/p][/quote]**** is it just because he turns up late, he has failed to turn up and coming from his own mouth "i am a wrongan" his spelling is as poor as he is at being a man and who gives a flying fig where he has to travel from. (shame it wasn`t thousands of miles further) Come on you ar5e crawling feckers get that thumbs down button going.(that hurts me) but not half as much as seeing this useless piece of shat pulling on a Swindon shirt. I wonder how many of you would like to see him play Saturday if he was accussed of raping your Mirs. Sister, Daughter mmm i fecking know the answer to that already. Biggest mistake of a signing ever or for at least the 30plus years i have supported the Town. MORALS look the word up.[/p][/quote]Steve, agree with the sentiments but in my book he has to be found guilty by a court first. You mention the daughter argument but consider how you would feel if you were wrongly accused of raping someone else's sister/wife. Key here is the accusation which has to be proven IMO. COYMR[/p][/quote]That's a fair point Oxon. But why don't we leave the rape trial out of it and concentrate on what he's done at STFC to incur the manager's wrath? From what I can gather, it's exactly what he's done everywhere else he's been. Then of course there's the armed robbery, the assault and the kicking in of his girlfriend's door - but of course that was OK because he "thought she was being kidnapped". I really hope Ranger is found not guilty of rape and I really hope he IS not guilty of rape. Whatever happens, the fact remains that the club took a massive gamble on him, regardless of that. So far he's been true to form and proved the gamble was foolish. Let's hope he truly has turned the corner this time and, even at this late stage, makes the gamble worthwhile after all.[/p][/quote]Hi Den, I was unaware of the other misdemeanours you have identified and accept from what you say that he is not an angel but I assume he has been punished. Whether the punishment was harsh enough or not is another story. I think my point was more that he should not be judged and assumed to be guilty because he has done stupid things in the past. Rape can be a difficult crime to prove as it usually involves only accuser and accused. It can also be used nastily by the accuser and wrongful accusations can destroy the life of the accused. IMO it is right that he is allowed to continue to work until his trial. If guilty, lock him up and chuck the key away. COYMR Oxon-Red

8:49pm Fri 20 Dec 13

joey butler says...

Steve. Brentford wrote:
umpcah wrote:
London Red wrote: Well I was delighted to read that headline as the simple fact is we are MUCH STRONGER when Nile is in the team than when he is not . On ability he has to be easily top 3 in our squad and would be one of the first names on the teamsheet . As OTR has said it is only turning up late that has led to this banishment - there are far worse crimes out there and to be honest you see that at most walks of life that people turn up late a lot . Obviously he needs to cut it out and it looks like he is - so good welcome back Nile and now repay us with goals or assists!
Turning up late is not the same as failing to turn up either ? How late ? Five minutes ? Half an hour ? We don't know ! Where does Nile have to travel from each day ? Gambia Street ? Cricklade ? London ? So much we fans don't know !
**** is it just because he turns up late, he has failed to turn up and coming from his own mouth "i am a wrongan" his spelling is as poor as he is at being a man and who gives a flying fig where he has to travel from. (shame it wasn`t thousands of miles further)
Come on you ar5e crawling feckers get that thumbs down button going.(that hurts me) but not half as much as seeing this useless piece of shat pulling on a Swindon shirt.
I wonder how many of you would like to see him play Saturday if he was accussed of raping your Mirs. Sister, Daughter mmm i fecking know the answer to that already.
Biggest mistake of a signing ever or for at least the 30plus years i have supported the Town.
MORALS look the word up.
CORRECT
[quote][p][bold]Steve. Brentford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Well I was delighted to read that headline as the simple fact is we are MUCH STRONGER when Nile is in the team than when he is not . On ability he has to be easily top 3 in our squad and would be one of the first names on the teamsheet . As OTR has said it is only turning up late that has led to this banishment - there are far worse crimes out there and to be honest you see that at most walks of life that people turn up late a lot . Obviously he needs to cut it out and it looks like he is - so good welcome back Nile and now repay us with goals or assists![/p][/quote]Turning up late is not the same as failing to turn up either ? How late ? Five minutes ? Half an hour ? We don't know ! Where does Nile have to travel from each day ? Gambia Street ? Cricklade ? London ? So much we fans don't know ![/p][/quote]**** is it just because he turns up late, he has failed to turn up and coming from his own mouth "i am a wrongan" his spelling is as poor as he is at being a man and who gives a flying fig where he has to travel from. (shame it wasn`t thousands of miles further) Come on you ar5e crawling feckers get that thumbs down button going.(that hurts me) but not half as much as seeing this useless piece of shat pulling on a Swindon shirt. I wonder how many of you would like to see him play Saturday if he was accussed of raping your Mirs. Sister, Daughter mmm i fecking know the answer to that already. Biggest mistake of a signing ever or for at least the 30plus years i have supported the Town. MORALS look the word up.[/p][/quote]CORRECT joey butler

8:59pm Fri 20 Dec 13

joey butler says...

London Red wrote:
Ranger caused no trouble for months when he first arrived and we were rewarded as the performances and subsequent results showed
.
He then went off the rails - some may sympathise with this - some obviously don't!
.
Now going AWOL etc is not acceptable and this needed addressing - the club granted him time off to help some may sympathise with this - some obviously don't!
.
Since then he has returned and not gone AWOL - OK he has turned up late and that needs addressing - which correct me if I'm wrong seems to be as he has been on time all week
.
I don't buy into all this family club reputation b@llcack - if you try and take a moral high ground then most footballers who put on the shirt shouldn't be allowed at the club and a section of the fan base either!
.
Is taking advantage of your grieving manager to go out on the **** morally right for example?
.
Or sleeping with team mates wife? We've seen that more than once!
.
Or being found guilty of attacking someone in a club?
.
Going out and getting pi1ssed the night before a news day game acceptable? Seen that followed up by a home drubbing!!!!
.
If found guilty in Jan then obviously that will be totally different as that is a criminal event and he will be in jail
.
However if not guilty - post his trial if it continues the sympathy will disappear and more disciplinary action such as fines should be taken - then if required his contract should not be renewed
.
However - for now I want the team to do the best it can and if Ranger has been in training all week - put him in as he is the best player in that position
London Red,

Ranger is, always has been and probably always will be a TOTAL DISGRACE.

I said that right from the start to be fair to me and find it amazing that other posters have changed their news, not you perhaps, just because he has scored a few goals.

Ranger should never have been offered a Town shirt, ever!!!
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Ranger caused no trouble for months when he first arrived and we were rewarded as the performances and subsequent results showed . He then went off the rails - some may sympathise with this - some obviously don't! . Now going AWOL etc is not acceptable and this needed addressing - the club granted him time off to help some may sympathise with this - some obviously don't! . Since then he has returned and not gone AWOL - OK he has turned up late and that needs addressing - which correct me if I'm wrong seems to be as he has been on time all week . I don't buy into all this family club reputation b@llcack - if you try and take a moral high ground then most footballers who put on the shirt shouldn't be allowed at the club and a section of the fan base either! . Is taking advantage of your grieving manager to go out on the **** morally right for example? . Or sleeping with team mates wife? We've seen that more than once! . Or being found guilty of attacking someone in a club? . Going out and getting pi1ssed the night before a news day game acceptable? Seen that followed up by a home drubbing!!!! . If found guilty in Jan then obviously that will be totally different as that is a criminal event and he will be in jail . However if not guilty - post his trial if it continues the sympathy will disappear and more disciplinary action such as fines should be taken - then if required his contract should not be renewed . However - for now I want the team to do the best it can and if Ranger has been in training all week - put him in as he is the best player in that position[/p][/quote]London Red, Ranger is, always has been and probably always will be a TOTAL DISGRACE. I said that right from the start to be fair to me and find it amazing that other posters have changed their news, not you perhaps, just because he has scored a few goals. Ranger should never have been offered a Town shirt, ever!!! joey butler

9:28pm Fri 20 Dec 13

joey butler says...

joey butler wrote:
London Red wrote:
Ranger caused no trouble for months when he first arrived and we were rewarded as the performances and subsequent results showed
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He then went off the rails - some may sympathise with this - some obviously don't!
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Now going AWOL etc is not acceptable and this needed addressing - the club granted him time off to help some may sympathise with this - some obviously don't!
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Since then he has returned and not gone AWOL - OK he has turned up late and that needs addressing - which correct me if I'm wrong seems to be as he has been on time all week
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I don't buy into all this family club reputation b@llcack - if you try and take a moral high ground then most footballers who put on the shirt shouldn't be allowed at the club and a section of the fan base either!
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Is taking advantage of your grieving manager to go out on the **** morally right for example?
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Or sleeping with team mates wife? We've seen that more than once!
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Or being found guilty of attacking someone in a club?
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Going out and getting pi1ssed the night before a news day game acceptable? Seen that followed up by a home drubbing!!!!
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If found guilty in Jan then obviously that will be totally different as that is a criminal event and he will be in jail
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However if not guilty - post his trial if it continues the sympathy will disappear and more disciplinary action such as fines should be taken - then if required his contract should not be renewed
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However - for now I want the team to do the best it can and if Ranger has been in training all week - put him in as he is the best player in that position
London Red,

Ranger is, always has been and probably always will be a TOTAL DISGRACE.

I said that right from the start to be fair to me and find it amazing that other posters have changed their news, not you perhaps, just because he has scored a few goals.

Ranger should never have been offered a Town shirt, ever!!!
Sorry, 'changed their views'
[quote][p][bold]joey butler[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Ranger caused no trouble for months when he first arrived and we were rewarded as the performances and subsequent results showed . He then went off the rails - some may sympathise with this - some obviously don't! . Now going AWOL etc is not acceptable and this needed addressing - the club granted him time off to help some may sympathise with this - some obviously don't! . Since then he has returned and not gone AWOL - OK he has turned up late and that needs addressing - which correct me if I'm wrong seems to be as he has been on time all week . I don't buy into all this family club reputation b@llcack - if you try and take a moral high ground then most footballers who put on the shirt shouldn't be allowed at the club and a section of the fan base either! . Is taking advantage of your grieving manager to go out on the **** morally right for example? . Or sleeping with team mates wife? We've seen that more than once! . Or being found guilty of attacking someone in a club? . Going out and getting pi1ssed the night before a news day game acceptable? Seen that followed up by a home drubbing!!!! . If found guilty in Jan then obviously that will be totally different as that is a criminal event and he will be in jail . However if not guilty - post his trial if it continues the sympathy will disappear and more disciplinary action such as fines should be taken - then if required his contract should not be renewed . However - for now I want the team to do the best it can and if Ranger has been in training all week - put him in as he is the best player in that position[/p][/quote]London Red, Ranger is, always has been and probably always will be a TOTAL DISGRACE. I said that right from the start to be fair to me and find it amazing that other posters have changed their news, not you perhaps, just because he has scored a few goals. Ranger should never have been offered a Town shirt, ever!!![/p][/quote]Sorry, 'changed their views' joey butler

9:46pm Fri 20 Dec 13

Oi Den! says...

Oxon, I agree that Ranger's past behaviour has nothing to do with the current allegation, but surely his actions at other clubs should have been a warning of what we could expect from him? However, what's done is done. The club gave him a chance and he repaid it by carrying on where he left off at Newcastle. If he's now finally decided to behave like a professional footballer, that's a welcome step in the right direction. My question to you is: what if he hasn't? How many more chances does the club give him?

Back to the current criminal allegation... If an alleged rapist didn't commit the offence, then obviously the trial is an ordeal that he shouldn't have to endure. Equally if he's guilty, he's putting the victim through even more pain that she shouldn't have to suffer. There seems to be a lot of sympathy for Ranger and his potential innocence but very little for the girl and her potential double suffering. Best to make no assumptions at all, let justice take it's course and hope the jury gets it right IMO.
Oxon, I agree that Ranger's past behaviour has nothing to do with the current allegation, but surely his actions at other clubs should have been a warning of what we could expect from him? However, what's done is done. The club gave him a chance and he repaid it by carrying on where he left off at Newcastle. If he's now finally decided to behave like a professional footballer, that's a welcome step in the right direction. My question to you is: what if he hasn't? How many more chances does the club give him? Back to the current criminal allegation... If an alleged rapist didn't commit the offence, then obviously the trial is an ordeal that he shouldn't have to endure. Equally if he's guilty, he's putting the victim through even more pain that she shouldn't have to suffer. There seems to be a lot of sympathy for Ranger and his potential innocence but very little for the girl and her potential double suffering. Best to make no assumptions at all, let justice take it's course and hope the jury gets it right IMO. Oi Den!

10:10pm Fri 20 Dec 13

Oxon-Red says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Oxon, I agree that Ranger's past behaviour has nothing to do with the current allegation, but surely his actions at other clubs should have been a warning of what we could expect from him? However, what's done is done. The club gave him a chance and he repaid it by carrying on where he left off at Newcastle. If he's now finally decided to behave like a professional footballer, that's a welcome step in the right direction. My question to you is: what if he hasn't? How many more chances does the club give him?

Back to the current criminal allegation... If an alleged rapist didn't commit the offence, then obviously the trial is an ordeal that he shouldn't have to endure. Equally if he's guilty, he's putting the victim through even more pain that she shouldn't have to suffer. There seems to be a lot of sympathy for Ranger and his potential innocence but very little for the girl and her potential double suffering. Best to make no assumptions at all, let justice take it's course and hope the jury gets it right IMO.
Den, I am not defending his actions regarding training etc that is for the club to deal with. I am defending any persons right to be proven guilty before they are hung drawn and quartered. Unfortunately the victim will always suffer if they are the victim but IMO they have to be proven to be the victim.

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Oxon, I agree that Ranger's past behaviour has nothing to do with the current allegation, but surely his actions at other clubs should have been a warning of what we could expect from him? However, what's done is done. The club gave him a chance and he repaid it by carrying on where he left off at Newcastle. If he's now finally decided to behave like a professional footballer, that's a welcome step in the right direction. My question to you is: what if he hasn't? How many more chances does the club give him? Back to the current criminal allegation... If an alleged rapist didn't commit the offence, then obviously the trial is an ordeal that he shouldn't have to endure. Equally if he's guilty, he's putting the victim through even more pain that she shouldn't have to suffer. There seems to be a lot of sympathy for Ranger and his potential innocence but very little for the girl and her potential double suffering. Best to make no assumptions at all, let justice take it's course and hope the jury gets it right IMO.[/p][/quote]Den, I am not defending his actions regarding training etc that is for the club to deal with. I am defending any persons right to be proven guilty before they are hung drawn and quartered. Unfortunately the victim will always suffer if they are the victim but IMO they have to be proven to be the victim. COYMR Oxon-Red

10:57pm Fri 20 Dec 13

the wizard says...

When Rangers trial takes place it will be reported by the media that he is currently with STFC, and should the trial go against him, then surely to a point it portrays this club in a bad light. Society being what it is , even if he is acquitted, will say, no smoke with out fire. Whether the club have tried to support him or not it will be seen by many as a bad move, whether it is or not it is solely down to the individual, and that is the gamble the club have taken. I admire them for that, lets hope the truth prevails, then nobody can complain whatever the out come.
When Rangers trial takes place it will be reported by the media that he is currently with STFC, and should the trial go against him, then surely to a point it portrays this club in a bad light. Society being what it is , even if he is acquitted, will say, no smoke with out fire. Whether the club have tried to support him or not it will be seen by many as a bad move, whether it is or not it is solely down to the individual, and that is the gamble the club have taken. I admire them for that, lets hope the truth prevails, then nobody can complain whatever the out come. the wizard

12:45am Sat 21 Dec 13

The Jockster says...

Oxon-Red wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Oxon, I agree that Ranger's past behaviour has nothing to do with the current allegation, but surely his actions at other clubs should have been a warning of what we could expect from him? However, what's done is done. The club gave him a chance and he repaid it by carrying on where he left off at Newcastle. If he's now finally decided to behave like a professional footballer, that's a welcome step in the right direction. My question to you is: what if he hasn't? How many more chances does the club give him?

Back to the current criminal allegation... If an alleged rapist didn't commit the offence, then obviously the trial is an ordeal that he shouldn't have to endure. Equally if he's guilty, he's putting the victim through even more pain that she shouldn't have to suffer. There seems to be a lot of sympathy for Ranger and his potential innocence but very little for the girl and her potential double suffering. Best to make no assumptions at all, let justice take it's course and hope the jury gets it right IMO.
Den, I am not defending his actions regarding training etc that is for the club to deal with. I am defending any persons right to be proven guilty before they are hung drawn and quartered. Unfortunately the victim will always suffer if they are the victim but IMO they have to be proven to be the victim.

COYMR
And there lies the crux of the matter! In a case of rape there are often no witnesses to said act so it is purely one persons word against the other.
What a jury then has to decide is who is telling the truth and in Rangers case if they are certain he committed an offence they have to find him guilty. If they are not sure but still think he may have done it but still have doubts they must acquit. That will be the direction from the judge.
[quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Oxon, I agree that Ranger's past behaviour has nothing to do with the current allegation, but surely his actions at other clubs should have been a warning of what we could expect from him? However, what's done is done. The club gave him a chance and he repaid it by carrying on where he left off at Newcastle. If he's now finally decided to behave like a professional footballer, that's a welcome step in the right direction. My question to you is: what if he hasn't? How many more chances does the club give him? Back to the current criminal allegation... If an alleged rapist didn't commit the offence, then obviously the trial is an ordeal that he shouldn't have to endure. Equally if he's guilty, he's putting the victim through even more pain that she shouldn't have to suffer. There seems to be a lot of sympathy for Ranger and his potential innocence but very little for the girl and her potential double suffering. Best to make no assumptions at all, let justice take it's course and hope the jury gets it right IMO.[/p][/quote]Den, I am not defending his actions regarding training etc that is for the club to deal with. I am defending any persons right to be proven guilty before they are hung drawn and quartered. Unfortunately the victim will always suffer if they are the victim but IMO they have to be proven to be the victim. COYMR[/p][/quote]And there lies the crux of the matter! In a case of rape there are often no witnesses to said act so it is purely one persons word against the other. What a jury then has to decide is who is telling the truth and in Rangers case if they are certain he committed an offence they have to find him guilty. If they are not sure but still think he may have done it but still have doubts they must acquit. That will be the direction from the judge. The Jockster

1:04am Sat 21 Dec 13

old town robin says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Oxon, I agree that Ranger's past behaviour has nothing to do with the current allegation, but surely his actions at other clubs should have been a warning of what we could expect from him? However, what's done is done. The club gave him a chance and he repaid it by carrying on where he left off at Newcastle. If he's now finally decided to behave like a professional footballer, that's a welcome step in the right direction. My question to you is: what if he hasn't? How many more chances does the club give him?

Back to the current criminal allegation... If an alleged rapist didn't commit the offence, then obviously the trial is an ordeal that he shouldn't have to endure. Equally if he's guilty, he's putting the victim through even more pain that she shouldn't have to suffer. There seems to be a lot of sympathy for Ranger and his potential innocence but very little for the girl and her potential double suffering. Best to make no assumptions at all, let justice take it's course and hope the jury gets it right IMO.
Den, I don't think it's a matter of fans having sympathy with Ranger, how can they when they don't know what the outcome will be. I don't have sympathy with him or the girl either, the fact is the alleged offence took place in his hotel room, the jury will draw their own conclusions if she went there voluntarily or not , if she did, what did she expected would happen, the allegation suggest they had sex, so the main point of contention will be was it with consent or not . Only she can explain her reasons for being there, he has made tweets she is doing this to make money, so as you quite rightly say let justice take its course and hope the jury get it right. One thing for sure if he does get the benefit of the doubt, he will be a silly boy to invite girls back to his room again in the future unless he has a genuine relationship.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Oxon, I agree that Ranger's past behaviour has nothing to do with the current allegation, but surely his actions at other clubs should have been a warning of what we could expect from him? However, what's done is done. The club gave him a chance and he repaid it by carrying on where he left off at Newcastle. If he's now finally decided to behave like a professional footballer, that's a welcome step in the right direction. My question to you is: what if he hasn't? How many more chances does the club give him? Back to the current criminal allegation... If an alleged rapist didn't commit the offence, then obviously the trial is an ordeal that he shouldn't have to endure. Equally if he's guilty, he's putting the victim through even more pain that she shouldn't have to suffer. There seems to be a lot of sympathy for Ranger and his potential innocence but very little for the girl and her potential double suffering. Best to make no assumptions at all, let justice take it's course and hope the jury gets it right IMO.[/p][/quote]Den, I don't think it's a matter of fans having sympathy with Ranger, how can they when they don't know what the outcome will be. I don't have sympathy with him or the girl either, the fact is the alleged offence took place in his hotel room, the jury will draw their own conclusions if she went there voluntarily or not , if she did, what did she expected would happen, the allegation suggest they had sex, so the main point of contention will be was it with consent or not . Only she can explain her reasons for being there, he has made tweets she is doing this to make money, so as you quite rightly say let justice take its course and hope the jury get it right. One thing for sure if he does get the benefit of the doubt, he will be a silly boy to invite girls back to his room again in the future unless he has a genuine relationship. old town robin

1:14am Sat 21 Dec 13

old town robin says...

Steve. Brentford wrote:
umpcah wrote:
London Red wrote: Well I was delighted to read that headline as the simple fact is we are MUCH STRONGER when Nile is in the team than when he is not . On ability he has to be easily top 3 in our squad and would be one of the first names on the teamsheet . As OTR has said it is only turning up late that has led to this banishment - there are far worse crimes out there and to be honest you see that at most walks of life that people turn up late a lot . Obviously he needs to cut it out and it looks like he is - so good welcome back Nile and now repay us with goals or assists!
Turning up late is not the same as failing to turn up either ? How late ? Five minutes ? Half an hour ? We don't know ! Where does Nile have to travel from each day ? Gambia Street ? Cricklade ? London ? So much we fans don't know !
**** is it just because he turns up late, he has failed to turn up and coming from his own mouth "i am a wrongan" his spelling is as poor as he is at being a man and who gives a flying fig where he has to travel from. (shame it wasn`t thousands of miles further)
Come on you ar5e crawling feckers get that thumbs down button going.(that hurts me) but not half as much as seeing this useless piece of shat pulling on a Swindon shirt.
I wonder how many of you would like to see him play Saturday if he was accussed of raping your Mirs. Sister, Daughter mmm i fecking know the answer to that already.
Biggest mistake of a signing ever or for at least the 30plus years i have supported the Town.
MORALS look the word up.
Steve,
Knowing you are an old Pinehurst boy as myself, MORALS mean a lot, but have to say I would not expect my mrs or daughters to go back to the room of any celebs for their autograph.

Take care mate and hope you enjoy the encounter at Griffin Park with a decent result for the town
[quote][p][bold]Steve. Brentford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Well I was delighted to read that headline as the simple fact is we are MUCH STRONGER when Nile is in the team than when he is not . On ability he has to be easily top 3 in our squad and would be one of the first names on the teamsheet . As OTR has said it is only turning up late that has led to this banishment - there are far worse crimes out there and to be honest you see that at most walks of life that people turn up late a lot . Obviously he needs to cut it out and it looks like he is - so good welcome back Nile and now repay us with goals or assists![/p][/quote]Turning up late is not the same as failing to turn up either ? How late ? Five minutes ? Half an hour ? We don't know ! Where does Nile have to travel from each day ? Gambia Street ? Cricklade ? London ? So much we fans don't know ![/p][/quote]**** is it just because he turns up late, he has failed to turn up and coming from his own mouth "i am a wrongan" his spelling is as poor as he is at being a man and who gives a flying fig where he has to travel from. (shame it wasn`t thousands of miles further) Come on you ar5e crawling feckers get that thumbs down button going.(that hurts me) but not half as much as seeing this useless piece of shat pulling on a Swindon shirt. I wonder how many of you would like to see him play Saturday if he was accussed of raping your Mirs. Sister, Daughter mmm i fecking know the answer to that already. Biggest mistake of a signing ever or for at least the 30plus years i have supported the Town. MORALS look the word up.[/p][/quote]Steve, Knowing you are an old Pinehurst boy as myself, MORALS mean a lot, but have to say I would not expect my mrs or daughters to go back to the room of any celebs for their autograph. Take care mate and hope you enjoy the encounter at Griffin Park with a decent result for the town old town robin

1:38am Sat 21 Dec 13

ciclosporindorset says...

Its a complete disgrace to make an issue of Rangers case in January when discussing his footballing issues. Whatever those individuals point is or is not, by wrapping them up in the same paragraph they are smearing his reputation further. Furthermore I doubt they even know the specifics of his lateness and non lateness therefore why speculate? I suggest some commentators are using his issues to remind us all that Ranger was a McCrory selection originally and that Cooper has never been a traditional club manager and he should be and therefore not to be trusted, therefore smearing McCrory and Power by inference as well. Completely shocking comments on here today, disgraceful, unworthy of true stfc fans!!!!!
Its a complete disgrace to make an issue of Rangers case in January when discussing his footballing issues. Whatever those individuals point is or is not, by wrapping them up in the same paragraph they are smearing his reputation further. Furthermore I doubt they even know the specifics of his lateness and non lateness therefore why speculate? I suggest some commentators are using his issues to remind us all that Ranger was a McCrory selection originally and that Cooper has never been a traditional club manager and he should be and therefore not to be trusted, therefore smearing McCrory and Power by inference as well. Completely shocking comments on here today, disgraceful, unworthy of true stfc fans!!!!! ciclosporindorset

7:47am Sat 21 Dec 13

Oi Den! says...

Ciclo, I think the point you're missing is that the court case is only being discussed on here in the first place because many people have used it to defend Ranger's behaviour as a Town player ("the lad's head must be in a mess etc"). I agree with you that it's not relevant. Also I prefer to trust the manager's judgment as far as the indiscipline is concerned. I just hope the club has some idea of where it will draw the line. Speaking of irrelevance, I think your talk of "smearing McCrory" etc is nonsense. We are talking about the behaviour of a player at our club - end of story. I think we me made a mistake in signing him but I don't hold that against McCrory or anyone else. I've no doubt they took the risk in good faith. I just don't think it was a risk worth taking.

OTR, you seem to have made an assumption concerning the case before it's begun. Dangerous ground.
Ciclo, I think the point you're missing is that the court case is only being discussed on here in the first place because many people have used it to defend Ranger's behaviour as a Town player ("the lad's head must be in a mess etc"). I agree with you that it's not relevant. Also I prefer to trust the manager's judgment as far as the indiscipline is concerned. I just hope the club has some idea of where it will draw the line. Speaking of irrelevance, I think your talk of "smearing McCrory" etc is nonsense. We are talking about the behaviour of a player at our club - end of story. I think we me made a mistake in signing him but I don't hold that against McCrory or anyone else. I've no doubt they took the risk in good faith. I just don't think it was a risk worth taking. OTR, you seem to have made an assumption concerning the case before it's begun. Dangerous ground. Oi Den!

7:51am Sat 21 Dec 13

Oi Den! says...

"we me made..."? Sorry, it's a bit early in the morning!
"we me made..."? Sorry, it's a bit early in the morning! Oi Den!

8:09am Sat 21 Dec 13

Oxon-Red says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Ciclo, I think the point you're missing is that the court case is only being discussed on here in the first place because many people have used it to defend Ranger's behaviour as a Town player ("the lad's head must be in a mess etc"). I agree with you that it's not relevant. Also I prefer to trust the manager's judgment as far as the indiscipline is concerned. I just hope the club has some idea of where it will draw the line. Speaking of irrelevance, I think your talk of "smearing McCrory" etc is nonsense. We are talking about the behaviour of a player at our club - end of story. I think we me made a mistake in signing him but I don't hold that against McCrory or anyone else. I've no doubt they took the risk in good faith. I just don't think it was a risk worth taking.

OTR, you seem to have made an assumption concerning the case before it's begun. Dangerous ground.
Risky signing for sure and definitely not the type of guy you would want your daughter bringing home but didn't Leon Clarke have a similar reputation. I guess we may have to see the outcome of the trial and if his attitude changes after that, if not guilty.

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Ciclo, I think the point you're missing is that the court case is only being discussed on here in the first place because many people have used it to defend Ranger's behaviour as a Town player ("the lad's head must be in a mess etc"). I agree with you that it's not relevant. Also I prefer to trust the manager's judgment as far as the indiscipline is concerned. I just hope the club has some idea of where it will draw the line. Speaking of irrelevance, I think your talk of "smearing McCrory" etc is nonsense. We are talking about the behaviour of a player at our club - end of story. I think we me made a mistake in signing him but I don't hold that against McCrory or anyone else. I've no doubt they took the risk in good faith. I just don't think it was a risk worth taking. OTR, you seem to have made an assumption concerning the case before it's begun. Dangerous ground.[/p][/quote]Risky signing for sure and definitely not the type of guy you would want your daughter bringing home but didn't Leon Clarke have a similar reputation. I guess we may have to see the outcome of the trial and if his attitude changes after that, if not guilty. COYMR Oxon-Red

8:54am Sat 21 Dec 13

old town robin says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Ciclo, I think the point you're missing is that the court case is only being discussed on here in the first place because many people have used it to defend Ranger's behaviour as a Town player ("the lad's head must be in a mess etc"). I agree with you that it's not relevant. Also I prefer to trust the manager's judgment as far as the indiscipline is concerned. I just hope the club has some idea of where it will draw the line. Speaking of irrelevance, I think your talk of "smearing McCrory" etc is nonsense. We are talking about the behaviour of a player at our club - end of story. I think we me made a mistake in signing him but I don't hold that against McCrory or anyone else. I've no doubt they took the risk in good faith. I just don't think it was a risk worth taking.

OTR, you seem to have made an assumption concerning the case before it's begun. Dangerous ground.
No assumptions at all Den, as I already agreed with you let the jury make their minds up based on the facts. The only one I'm aware of is the alleged offence took place in a hotel room, There will be two different accounts of what happened there and a judgement will be made whether he is guilty or not.

Agree with Circo, maybe the debate on this article should not have got round to passing opinions on his forthcoming trial, when all we should have debated was his tardiness and whether he deserves to play. I apologise for getting dragged into it as it was not my intention.

I hope he plays today because unless the wind drops we could be seeing the ball in the air quite a bit.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Ciclo, I think the point you're missing is that the court case is only being discussed on here in the first place because many people have used it to defend Ranger's behaviour as a Town player ("the lad's head must be in a mess etc"). I agree with you that it's not relevant. Also I prefer to trust the manager's judgment as far as the indiscipline is concerned. I just hope the club has some idea of where it will draw the line. Speaking of irrelevance, I think your talk of "smearing McCrory" etc is nonsense. We are talking about the behaviour of a player at our club - end of story. I think we me made a mistake in signing him but I don't hold that against McCrory or anyone else. I've no doubt they took the risk in good faith. I just don't think it was a risk worth taking. OTR, you seem to have made an assumption concerning the case before it's begun. Dangerous ground.[/p][/quote]No assumptions at all Den, as I already agreed with you let the jury make their minds up based on the facts. The only one I'm aware of is the alleged offence took place in a hotel room, There will be two different accounts of what happened there and a judgement will be made whether he is guilty or not. Agree with Circo, maybe the debate on this article should not have got round to passing opinions on his forthcoming trial, when all we should have debated was his tardiness and whether he deserves to play. I apologise for getting dragged into it as it was not my intention. I hope he plays today because unless the wind drops we could be seeing the ball in the air quite a bit. old town robin

9:28am Sat 21 Dec 13

buckobassettboy says...

Davethered wrote:
How many more chances are they going to give him.
We must be desperate.
we are
[quote][p][bold]Davethered[/bold] wrote: How many more chances are they going to give him. We must be desperate.[/p][/quote]we are buckobassettboy

9:52am Sat 21 Dec 13

Oi Den! says...

Oxon-Red wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Ciclo, I think the point you're missing is that the court case is only being discussed on here in the first place because many people have used it to defend Ranger's behaviour as a Town player ("the lad's head must be in a mess etc"). I agree with you that it's not relevant. Also I prefer to trust the manager's judgment as far as the indiscipline is concerned. I just hope the club has some idea of where it will draw the line. Speaking of irrelevance, I think your talk of "smearing McCrory" etc is nonsense. We are talking about the behaviour of a player at our club - end of story. I think we me made a mistake in signing him but I don't hold that against McCrory or anyone else. I've no doubt they took the risk in good faith. I just don't think it was a risk worth taking.

OTR, you seem to have made an assumption concerning the case before it's begun. Dangerous ground.
Risky signing for sure and definitely not the type of guy you would want your daughter bringing home but didn't Leon Clarke have a similar reputation. I guess we may have to see the outcome of the trial and if his attitude changes after that, if not guilty.

COYMR
Oxon, my point all along has been that we should disregard the trial completely. If we do that, we find that Ranger has continued the pattern of behaviour that's seen him shown the door at other clubs. To be fair, I should add that I'm only talking about his failure to show for training. I don't think there's any reason to believe he's stolen anything from STFC.

But come on, you're not seriously comparing Ranger's reputation to Clarke's? Where are the similarities? Failure to show for training? Did Clarke steal anything from one of his clubs? Has Clarke been booted out of 3 clubs for misconduct?

My last comment on Ranger until there is more news on him: I hope the current allegation against him is untrue, I hope he's decided to leave all the baggage behind him and I hope he becomes the footballer he can be, whether that's for us or anyone else. I don't believe in throwing anyone on the scrapheap but there's not a lot you can do if that's where a person chooses to go.
[quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Ciclo, I think the point you're missing is that the court case is only being discussed on here in the first place because many people have used it to defend Ranger's behaviour as a Town player ("the lad's head must be in a mess etc"). I agree with you that it's not relevant. Also I prefer to trust the manager's judgment as far as the indiscipline is concerned. I just hope the club has some idea of where it will draw the line. Speaking of irrelevance, I think your talk of "smearing McCrory" etc is nonsense. We are talking about the behaviour of a player at our club - end of story. I think we me made a mistake in signing him but I don't hold that against McCrory or anyone else. I've no doubt they took the risk in good faith. I just don't think it was a risk worth taking. OTR, you seem to have made an assumption concerning the case before it's begun. Dangerous ground.[/p][/quote]Risky signing for sure and definitely not the type of guy you would want your daughter bringing home but didn't Leon Clarke have a similar reputation. I guess we may have to see the outcome of the trial and if his attitude changes after that, if not guilty. COYMR[/p][/quote]Oxon, my point all along has been that we should disregard the trial completely. If we do that, we find that Ranger has continued the pattern of behaviour that's seen him shown the door at other clubs. To be fair, I should add that I'm only talking about his failure to show for training. I don't think there's any reason to believe he's stolen anything from STFC. But come on, you're not seriously comparing Ranger's reputation to Clarke's? Where are the similarities? Failure to show for training? Did Clarke steal anything from one of his clubs? Has Clarke been booted out of 3 clubs for misconduct? My last comment on Ranger until there is more news on him: I hope the current allegation against him is untrue, I hope he's decided to leave all the baggage behind him and I hope he becomes the footballer he can be, whether that's for us or anyone else. I don't believe in throwing anyone on the scrapheap but there's not a lot you can do if that's where a person chooses to go. Oi Den!

10:39am Sat 21 Dec 13

ScottLeitch says...

Come on Nile everyone has a past... its what you do from now that matters, you cant change whats gone... You have been given a real chance here, take it.
Come on Nile everyone has a past... its what you do from now that matters, you cant change whats gone... You have been given a real chance here, take it. ScottLeitch

12:35pm Sat 21 Dec 13

the wizard says...

ciclosporindorset wrote:
Its a complete disgrace to make an issue of Rangers case in January when discussing his footballing issues. Whatever those individuals point is or is not, by wrapping them up in the same paragraph they are smearing his reputation further. Furthermore I doubt they even know the specifics of his lateness and non lateness therefore why speculate? I suggest some commentators are using his issues to remind us all that Ranger was a McCrory selection originally and that Cooper has never been a traditional club manager and he should be and therefore not to be trusted, therefore smearing McCrory and Power by inference as well. Completely shocking comments on here today, disgraceful, unworthy of true stfc fans!!!!!
I think Nile has done an excellent job of smearing his reputation all by himself. It matters not WHO signed him, the fact that he was signed by the CLUB. Jed would not have signed him without Powers knowledge. The fact is lack of funds dictated we signed someone who could score but at a rock bottom price, that was circumstantial, but Ranger already had the Baggage before he arrived. Question: would most supporters have given him residence in their homes, second guess the answer, not many, perhaps you would, and that is your choice, but not that of the majority. He will always divide opinion and is that a good commodity to have in the squad ? I would have thought not. Innocent or guilty during the trial the club name will be mentioned, win or loose its not the best press to receive.
[quote][p][bold]ciclosporindorset[/bold] wrote: Its a complete disgrace to make an issue of Rangers case in January when discussing his footballing issues. Whatever those individuals point is or is not, by wrapping them up in the same paragraph they are smearing his reputation further. Furthermore I doubt they even know the specifics of his lateness and non lateness therefore why speculate? I suggest some commentators are using his issues to remind us all that Ranger was a McCrory selection originally and that Cooper has never been a traditional club manager and he should be and therefore not to be trusted, therefore smearing McCrory and Power by inference as well. Completely shocking comments on here today, disgraceful, unworthy of true stfc fans!!!!![/p][/quote]I think Nile has done an excellent job of smearing his reputation all by himself. It matters not WHO signed him, the fact that he was signed by the CLUB. Jed would not have signed him without Powers knowledge. The fact is lack of funds dictated we signed someone who could score but at a rock bottom price, that was circumstantial, but Ranger already had the Baggage before he arrived. Question: would most supporters have given him residence in their homes, second guess the answer, not many, perhaps you would, and that is your choice, but not that of the majority. He will always divide opinion and is that a good commodity to have in the squad ? I would have thought not. Innocent or guilty during the trial the club name will be mentioned, win or loose its not the best press to receive. the wizard

9:30am Thu 26 Dec 13

Carlo says...

joey butler wrote:
Steve. Brentford wrote:
umpcah wrote:
London Red wrote: Well I was delighted to read that headline as the simple fact is we are MUCH STRONGER when Nile is in the team than when he is not . On ability he has to be easily top 3 in our squad and would be one of the first names on the teamsheet . As OTR has said it is only turning up late that has led to this banishment - there are far worse crimes out there and to be honest you see that at most walks of life that people turn up late a lot . Obviously he needs to cut it out and it looks like he is - so good welcome back Nile and now repay us with goals or assists!
Turning up late is not the same as failing to turn up either ? How late ? Five minutes ? Half an hour ? We don't know ! Where does Nile have to travel from each day ? Gambia Street ? Cricklade ? London ? So much we fans don't know !
**** is it just because he turns up late, he has failed to turn up and coming from his own mouth "i am a wrongan" his spelling is as poor as he is at being a man and who gives a flying fig where he has to travel from. (shame it wasn`t thousands of miles further)
Come on you ar5e crawling feckers get that thumbs down button going.(that hurts me) but not half as much as seeing this useless piece of shat pulling on a Swindon shirt.
I wonder how many of you would like to see him play Saturday if he was accussed of raping your Mirs. Sister, Daughter mmm i fecking know the answer to that already.
Biggest mistake of a signing ever or for at least the 30plus years i have supported the Town.
MORALS look the word up.
CORRECT
Steve, I know what you are saying, but on he same basis, "innocent until proven guilty", look up the phrase.
[quote][p][bold]joey butler[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steve. Brentford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Well I was delighted to read that headline as the simple fact is we are MUCH STRONGER when Nile is in the team than when he is not . On ability he has to be easily top 3 in our squad and would be one of the first names on the teamsheet . As OTR has said it is only turning up late that has led to this banishment - there are far worse crimes out there and to be honest you see that at most walks of life that people turn up late a lot . Obviously he needs to cut it out and it looks like he is - so good welcome back Nile and now repay us with goals or assists![/p][/quote]Turning up late is not the same as failing to turn up either ? How late ? Five minutes ? Half an hour ? We don't know ! Where does Nile have to travel from each day ? Gambia Street ? Cricklade ? London ? So much we fans don't know ![/p][/quote]**** is it just because he turns up late, he has failed to turn up and coming from his own mouth "i am a wrongan" his spelling is as poor as he is at being a man and who gives a flying fig where he has to travel from. (shame it wasn`t thousands of miles further) Come on you ar5e crawling feckers get that thumbs down button going.(that hurts me) but not half as much as seeing this useless piece of shat pulling on a Swindon shirt. I wonder how many of you would like to see him play Saturday if he was accussed of raping your Mirs. Sister, Daughter mmm i fecking know the answer to that already. Biggest mistake of a signing ever or for at least the 30plus years i have supported the Town. MORALS look the word up.[/p][/quote]CORRECT[/p][/quote]Steve, I know what you are saying, but on he same basis, "innocent until proven guilty", look up the phrase. Carlo

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