MATCHDAY LIVE: Brentford v Swindon Town

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  • REPORTING BY SAM MORSHEAD & ANDY WARREN
  • FT: Brentford 3 (Saunders 27, Donaldson 55, Trotta 71) Swindon Town 2 (Mason 9, Ajose 52)
  • Trotta sneaks between Ward and Foderingham to win the game for the Bees
  • Donaldson equalised quickly after Ajose had given Town the lead again
  • Saunders had equalised with a well-taken free kick
  • Mason had finished a good Town move to give the visitors the lead
  • No new injury news for Swindon
  • Ranger tweets about writing off his car on Christmas Day
  • Kick-off at 12.30pm

3:12pm

That's it for today ladies and gents. Resume eating your Christmas leftovers and we'll see you at Bradford on Sunday.

3:10pm

Nicky Ajose admitted his goal was just a case of being in the right place at the right time.

Swindon Advertiser: Nicky Ajose reacts to a miss against Crawley last night

NICKY AJOSE

“We knew it would be difficult but it wasn’t as difficult as it could have been.

“We worked hard and scored two goals but it wasn’t enough so that’s disappointing.

“My goal was nothing extraordinary and I just put it home. I’m delighted (with double figures) but the team’s the most important thing and we didn’t win.

“As an attacker I never feel like we are going to get a free goal, we need a wonder strike, deflection or a Pritch free-kick, but we’re giving silly goals away.”

2:57pm

LEAGUE ONE FULL-TIME

Coventry City 4 Peterborough United 2

2:55pm

Alex Pritchard has just spoken to the media and offered 'no comment' when asked about his future after he was linked to a number of Championship clubs.

He did however talk about the free-kick which was saved by his former Tottenham teammate David Button.

Swindon Advertiser: Swindon’s Alex Pritchard scores Swindon’s second goal of the evening to beat QPR 2-0 in the League Cup

ALEX PRITCHARD

“It was a tough game because we came to play and we did that, but Brentford are top of the table and they’re going to come at you and have chances.

“We played well and scored two good goals but it wasn’t enough.

“David’s (Button) my old mate from Tottenham and he told me he knew what I was going to do so I’ll give him that one.”

2:50pm

Cooper also said Nile Ranger's withdrawal this afternoon was due to tiredness following a day where he wrote his car off.

Swindon Advertiser: Nile Ranger challenges with Coventry's Dan Seabourne

NILE RANGER

“Nile had a difficult day yesterday where he wrote his car off and he looked really tired. We got him a taxi here today after what is another day in Nile’s life.

“We brought Miles on to try and use his pace.”

2:49pm

Cooper revealed Ryan Harley was on the bench for today's game due to illness while Jay McEveley was injured.

Swindon Advertiser: Swindon's Ryan Harley, centre

RYAN HARLEY

2:47pm

Mark Cooper is now talking to the media after an attacking display from his Swindon Town side.

Swindon Advertiser: Town boss Mark Cooper

MARK COOPER

“After Sheffield United it was clear people wanted to see us attack and we opened the game up today. When you do that we risk conceding goals and we conceded two schoolboy ones.

“We won the game twice and we let them back in.

“The fans made it clear at Sheffield United what they wanted and we gave them that. The following was fantastic today.

“We played some really good football at times and we opened them up which was good.”

2:37pm

2:32pm

The win takes Brentford top of the table, for now at least, with Town staying in seventh. They could be as low as 10th by the end of the day.

2:29pm

FULL-TIME: Brentford 3 Swindon Town 2

2:29pm

90+6 minutes: El Alagui fires as shot wide and that's surely it.

2:28pm

The five minutes are up

2:27pm

Brentford look to wind the clock down by keeping the ball in the corner.

2:25pm

SUBSTITUTION: Farid El Alagui on for Trotta. 90+3

2:24pm

90+1 minutes: Kasim can’t get the ball out his feet to shoot and goes flying before reacting and earning himself a yellow card. It caused a melee in the Brentford box where McCormack again kicked Kasim, but it wasn’t seen.

2:23pm

Five minutes added on.

2:23pm

Town just haven't been able to keep the ball in the final third in the last 20 minutes.

2:22pm

YELLOW CARD: Forshaw goes into the book. 87

2:20pm

Trotta is wreaking havoc in the Town defence but more often than not chooses the wrong pass. His goal looks like the winner though.

2:19pm

YELLOW CARD: Barthram clatters into Forshaw on the edge of the area and is booked. The Brentford man takes the free-kick himself but it’s over the top. 84

2:14pm

SUBSTITUTION: Cooper makes his final change as he bring Barthram on in place of Thompson.

2:13pm

SUBSTITUTION: Sam Saunders off and he is replaced by Ben Reeves.

2:13pm

Storey is playing up top on his own but it well supported by Pritchard and Gladwin in behind.

2:12pm

76 minutes: Pritchard wins a free-kick which he then proceeds to fire over the wall only for Button to tip it wide.

2:10pm

DOUBLE SUBSTITUTION: Gladwin and Storey on for Ajose and Ranger.

2:09pm

74 minutes: Ajose skews wide following a free-kick.

2:07pm

ATTENDANCE: 8,333 (1016 Town fans)

2:06pm

GOAL 3-2 BRENTFORD (Trotta 71): Ward and Foderingham get themselves in all sorts of trouble and Trotta steals between the two prod home.

2:04pm

69 minutes: Button gets down quickly to turn Pritchard’s low, driven shot round the post.

2:02pm

YELLOW CARD: Saunders booked for dragging down Luongo. 67

2:02pm

67 minutes: Trotta again skips through three Town players on his way into the box but this time Hall makes a superb tackle.

2:00pm

65 minutes: Trotta leaves Thompson, Ward and Hall on their backsides but the Italian’s poked finish is right at Foderingham with the goal gaping. He had to score and if he had just put his foot through it he no doubt would have.

1:56pm

Ranger is giving the ball away an awful lot too.

1:55pm

Town guilty of hanging onto the ball for too long at the back in recent minutes, with Mason, Hall and Byrne all guilty of nearly gifting Brentford something.

1:54pm

59 minutes: Ward slips just as he’s about to deal with a ball into the box but Trotta can’t profit.

1:52pm

YOUR SAY

1:51pm Thu 26 Dec 13

old town robin says

I did say beware of Donaldson 2-2

1:52pm

57 minutes: Brentford have their tales up and Trotta heads just wide of a full-stretched Foderingham’s goal.

1:50pm

GOAL 2-2 (Donaldson 55) The Town lead doesn’t last long as Donaldson heads home McCormack’s cross.

1:48pm

GOAL 2-1 TOWN (Ajose 52): Somehow Douglas manages to gift the ball straight to Pritchard and when the winger’s shot is charged down the ball falls straight to Ajose who pokes home from just outside the six-yard box.

1:48pm

52 minutes: Saunders clips a shot away but it’s straight at Foderingham.

1:43pm

48 minutes: Town are on the attack again and this time Pritchard curls a shot straight at keeper Button.

1:42pm

47 minutes: Ajose wins a corner off McCormack and Mason’s delivery is punched away by Button.

1:37pm

Off and running

1:36pm

And here come Town. No changes by the looks of things.

1:35pm

The Bees are back. Just waiting for Town.

1:30pm

YOUR SAY

1:23pm Thu 26 Dec 13

Since 1950 says

Half time 1-1. Playing well enough but we have to stop giving away these silly free kicks.

COYR!

1:30pm

LEAGUE ONE LATEST

Most games kick-off at 3pm but there are a couple in progress.

Coventry 2 Peterborough 2 (12pm kick-off)

Carlisle 0 Preston 0 (1pm kick-off)

1:22pm

HALF-TIME: Brentford 1 Swindon Town 1

1:21pm

45+4 minutes: Trotta drives wide and that's in for the first half.

1:20pm

45+2 minutes: Town win s corner but Pritchard’s kick doesn’t beat the first man. Brentford break and penalties appeals for handball against Ward are waved away.

1:18pm

Four minutes added on

1:18pm

1:15pm Thu 26 Dec 13

old town robin says

Since 1950 wrote:
1-1 stupid free kick given away unnecessarily. :-(
who gave the free kick away

Kasim

1:18pm

45 minutes: Luongo flies in at Trotta’s feet to try and stop him getting a shot off, but the Italian’s effort does deceive in the flight and the Town keeper turns it wide with a combination of arm and leg.

1:18pm

YELLOW CARD: Donaldson sends Ajose three feet in the air and is booked. 43

1:16pm

SUBSTITUTION: Grigg goes down in a heap and is replaced by Stuart Dallas. 40

1:13pm

Pritchard and Mason have been getting a fair amount of time on the ball, with Thompson and Byrne looking to join in too, but the delivery's not been there.

1:10pm

35 minutes: Town break forward down the left but Pritchard can only fire against Dean when presented with a shooting opportunity.

1:05pm

30 minutes: Hall blocks a shot from Donaldson which looks to be heading on target.

1:03pm

28 minutes: Mason drills a free-kick wide as Town look to repond quickly.

1:02pm

GOAL 1-1 (Saunders 27): Griffin Park, led by the Town fans, erupt into laughter as Saunders falls flat on his face while running up to take a free-kick, but the away support aren’t laughing anymore when the midfielder finds the top corner at the second attempt.

12:55pm

20 minutes: Mason flashes a cross through the Bees’ six-yard box but there’s no Town player there to turn home.

12:52pm

There's a break in play as Donaldson gets treatment after colliding with Kasim.

12:51pm

16 minutes: After Ranger gives away a free-kick, Foderingham has to stretch to superbly tip Saunders goalbounder effort over the bar.

12:49pm

Looked to me as if McCormack just kicked Kasim. Neither the ref or his linesman saw it though. Pritchard certainly did as he's still talking to Macca about it.

12:48pm

13 minutes: Town fly forward again thanks to nice reverse pass from Kasim, with Ajose eventually seeing shot blocked.

12:46pm

That goal was perhaps a little against the run of play, but who cares?

12:44pm

GOAL 1-0 TOWN (Mason 9)

A really nice goal for Town as Thompson is fed wide by Luongo, who then in turn finds Pritchard. The tricky winger turns and finds Mason who takes a touch past his man and drills past Button from just inside the box. Great finish.

12:42pm

Seven minutes: McCormack again gets forward and drills a cross which Byrne heads behind. From the corner, Foderingham gets ahead of Trotta to punch clear.

12:38pm

Three minutes: Pritchard does really well to work his way past Bidwell before crossing for Ranger, although the striker heads the powerful cross wide.

12:35pm

One minute: McCroack’s long ball nearly finds Donaldson before Foderingham scrambles it out for a throw to save a corner. Brentford work the ball into the box through Forshaw but Wes is able to claim it.

12:32pm

Here we go! Brentford get us under way

12:31pm

Interestingly, or not, McCormack's 18-month old daughter Olivia is one of the Brentford mascots this afternoon.

12:31pm

McCormack given a few boos by the Town fans when his name is read out.

12:30pm

DANGER MEN - Alan McCormack

Swindon Advertiser: THE PASSION: Alan McCormack celebrates Town's win at Yeovil

ALAN MCCORMACK
Another familiar face for Town fans today as they see their former captain line up against them. The Irishman moved to Brentford in the summer having been part of the Swindon side which lost the play-off semi-final on penalties in May.

Like his time with the Robins, McCormack has played in various positions and now finds himself at right back.

12:29pm

Teams are out, with Town dressed like Inter Milan.

12:29pm

CHARITY BET

Almost forgot, although given the fact we have not won a thing this season it's probably better we hadn't.

SAM: Brentford 3 Swindon Town 2, Marcello Trotta first scorer - 100/1

ANDY: Brentford 2 Swindon Town 0, Will Grigg first scorer - 35/1

12:24pm

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12:22pm

DANGER MEN - Toumani Diagouraga

Swindon Advertiser: Home coming: Brentford's Toumani Diagouraga is pleased to be back at Griffn Park.

TOUMANI DIAGOURAGA
The French-born Malian has been impressive since moving to Griffin Park from Peterborough, and although he is on the bench today has become a mainstay of the midfield alongside Douglas.

He likes to control possession and create chances for his teammates, and if he does that, he can be a real threat.

12:20pm

Cooper still speaks to old boss MacDonald on a regular basis and hopes the Scot will be back in the game soon.

Swindon Advertiser: Swindon Town boss Kevin MacDonald

KEVIN MACDONALD

“I speak to Kevin most weeks and he’s a really nice man," Cooper said.

“He’s told me I’m doing a great job and to just keep going and I really hope he’s back in the game soon.”

12:18pm

Mark Cooper was Kevin MacDonald's number two that fateful day in May and has some vivid memories of the occasion.

Swindon Advertiser: Mark Cooper salutes the away fans at Colchester

MARK COOPER

“It was a great game and all I can remember is running about 40 yards onto the pitch when Flinty scored and then Kevin told me to sort out the penalty takers,” he said.

“I was looking round for volunteers and there weren’t many that day and it was a horrible way to end it, especially for Miles. Hopefully he has a chance to go back and put that right.”

12:16pm

IN THE HOME DUGOUT- MARK WARBURTON

Swindon Advertiser:

MARK WARBURTON
I’m sure not many people knew an awful lot about Mark Warburton when he was appointed Bees boss following Uwe Rosler’s departure to Wigan.

The former Leicester apprentice has no professional career to speak off, having dropped into non-league circles following his release from the Foxes.

From there he became a city trader before taking up a coaching position at Watford, but made his first major impact when he helped set up the successful Next Gen academy series which so many of Town’s Tottenham contingent have been involved in.

He became involved with Brentford when Nick Forster took over at Griffin Park, later becoming sporting director from where he took over from Rosler two weeks ago.

12:13pm

DANGER MEN - Jonathan Douglas

Swindon Advertiser: Coming back: Bees midfielder Jonathan Douglas is back in training and nearing a competitive

JONATHAN DOUGLAS

The Irish midfielder needs no introduction to Town fans following his two years in Wiltshire between 2009 and 2011, where he was part of the Swindon side which made the League One play-off final before suffering relegation the following season.

If given time and space he can control the midfield.

12:09pm

Mark Cooper hinted earlier this week that Yaser Kasim may be given more of an attacking role, similar to the one he performed during the second half against Coventry on Saturday.

Swindon Advertiser: Yaser Kasim celebrates his goal against Coventry

YASER KASIM

“You have to create, stop and score goals to be a good midfield player these days and believe it or not Yaser is probably one of our best attacking midfielders because he has ridiculous ability with his feet and he can create things.

“When he came on on Saturday we put him further forward and you could see what he can do, which has given us another option now because he can play further forward.”

12:07pm

DANGER MEN - Clayton Donaldson

Swindon Advertiser: Goalscorer: Bees striker Clayton Donaldson, pictured in action against Colchester United got his sixth goal in 13 appearances this season at Bristol City on Tuesday

CLAYTON DONALDSON

The striker has scored goals wherever he has been since his move from Hull to York in 2005, and the same is true of his time with the Bees with 10 goals already this season.

12:04pm

Town come face-to-face with former skipper Alan McCormack this afternoon and current boss Mark Cooper had nothing but praise for the Irishman.

Swindon Advertiser: Alan McCormack

ALAN MCCORMACK

“When I was here he was a great player for us and he’ll be trying his hardest to get one over on us," Cooper said.

“He’s a good footballer and a good man and he made it easy for me when I came in.”

12:01pm

YOUR SAY

11:47am Thu 26 Dec 13

guyswonga says

Already at a chilly griffen park. Never a dull moment when we play here, lets hope we don't play like turkeys.

12:00pm

MAN IN THE MIDDLE - KEITH HILL

Swindon Advertiser:

KEITH HILL

Keith Hill is in charge of today's game and his appointment looks to be a positive for Town. Of the 17 games he has refereed this season there have been eight away wins and another would be very welcome today.

He's shown 53 yellow cards so far in 2013/14, as well as three reds.

11:53am

Some explanation of Dany N'Guessan's absence from today's matchday squad comes in the form of suggestions made to us that he is ill.

We'll have a word with Mark Cooper post-match to get the official word.

11:53am

DANGER MEN - Marcello Trotta

Swindon Advertiser: Love, love me do: Brentford's Marcello Trotta celebrates opening the scoring on Saturday

Trotta is currently on loan from Fulham, and has quite some pedigree having spent time with Napoli and Manchester City as a kid. He can play as a striker or can sit back and support Donaldson, and is also capable of finding the net from long-range.

The Italian missed the vital penalty which cost his side automatic promotion on the final day of last season and was then part of the team which beat Town in the play-off and then lost at Wembley.

11:47am

BREAKING TEAM NEWS

BRENTFORD v Swindon Town: Button; McCormack, Craig, Dean, Bidwell; Saunders, Douglas, Forshaw; Trotta, Donaldson, Grigg

Substitutes: Lee, O'Connor, El Alagui, Logan, Dallas, Diagouraga, Reeves

11:43am

Wes Foderingham, Tyrell Belfrod and goalkeeping coach Fraser Digby are out to begin the warm up. They need it too, it's freezing.

11:40am

LEAGUE ONE FIXTURES

Games kick-off at 3pm unless stated.

Coventry v Peterborough (12pm)
Brentford v Swindon (12.30pm)
Carlisle v Preston (1pm)
Gillingham v Leyton Orient (1.30pm)
Bradford v Rotherham
Bristol City v Walsall
Colchester v Stevenage
Crawley v MK Dons
Port Vale v Notts County
Sheff Utd v Oldham
Shrewsbury v Tranmere
Wolves v Crewe

11:37am

ALL CHANGE

Only three players (Foderingham, Byrne and Luongo) who will start today's game for Town played in the play-off semi-final shootout loss here in May. Miles Storey, who is on the bench, is the only other player involved who played that day.

Brentford v SWINDON TOWN (play-off semi-final second leg): Foderingham; Devera, Flint, Ward, Byrne; Ferry, Luongo, McCormack, Roberts; Rooney A, Williams.
Subs: Bedwell, Navarro, Miller, Rooney L, De Vita, Collins, Storey.

11:36am

Two changes for Swindon Town this afternoon, then, with Yaser Kasim and Nathan Thompson coming back into the side.

Ryan Harley and Jay McEveley drop to the bench, while Dany N'Guessan misses out altogether.

11:33am

BREAKING TEAM NEWS

Brentford v SWINDON TOWN: Foderingham; N Thompson, Hall, Ward, Byrne; Ajose, Mason, Luongo, Kasim, Pritchard; Ranger

Substitutes: Belford, Barthram, McEveley, L Thompson, Gladwin, Harley, Storey

11:31am

Brentford chief executive Mark Devlin has explained exactly why today’s game kicks off at 12.30pm in today’s matchday programme, having a dig at the television companies in the process.

Swindon Advertiser:

MARK DEVLIN

“Today’s game was scheduled to kick-off at 3pm,” Devlin wrote.

“However, for the first time I can remember, live TV coverage of a Premier League game was arranged for 3pm, directly in contrast with most of today’s fixtures.

“BT Sport, who are currently focussed on the Premier League and, in the future, the Champions League, clearly did not feel it inappropriate to conflict with our matches in any way. As they are not a broadcast partner of the Football League, why should they, but I thought we had found some sympathy from our colleagues at the Premier League.

“Alas, I was naïve and misguided to have even entertained such a notion.

“We already have to compete with live coverage of European football on Tuesdays, Wednesdays and Thursdays, which has undoubtedly had an adverse effect on attendances and cash flow.

"This is one further challenge for us to deal with.”

11:26am

Miles Storey returns to the scene of his worst moment in football today.

Storey missed the crucial penalty in the shootout in May which saw Brentford advance to the League One play-off final. But he's not too bothered about returning to Griffin Park.

Swindon Advertiser: Miles Storey is ready to fight for his place

MILES STOREY

We all know what happened last year and to be the only player to miss in the shootout was heartbreaking for me,” he said.

“I’m kind of dreading going back there but at the same time I’m kind of looking forward to it too because although I have some bad memories there it can’t really get much worse."

11:21am

ADVER CHIEF SPORTS WRITER SAM MORSHEAD: "Good morning all, welcome to a chilly Griffin Park, where the memories are already flooding back.

"It's incredible to think seven and a half months have passed since that Aden Flint header in front of the Town fans which sent the League One play-off semi-final to penalties.

Swindon Advertiser: Miles Storey is comforted by Adam Rooney after his shootout miss against Brentford

THE SCENE AT THE END OF SWINDON'S LAST VISIT TO BRENTFORD

"So much has changed at Swindon since then but the supporters remain the same and those travelling down the M4 for the lunchtime kick-off will be hoping for a spot of revenge.

"Town's cause has been bolstered by the fact Nile Ranger is involved in the matchday squad despite being involved in a car accident on Christmas Day. His presence should offer Mark Cooper an extra dimension up front.

"I expect Swindon to set up in a more aggressive manner than they have shown in recent away games. The only way to combat this Brentford juggernaut is with the kid onf free-flowing football they've played with such regularity at home."

11:15am

11:13am

YOUR SAY

10:36am Thu 26 Dec 13

nosyrudeman says

C'mon you REDZZZZZZZZZ.

11:13am

YOUR SAY

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11:10am

Here's the tweet Nile Ranger posted last night. The good news is, he's arrived safely at Griffin Park this morning and is expected to feature.

Swindon Advertiser:

11:06am

TEAM NEWS

Nothing official is expected until around 11.30am but here's a quick idea of how Swindon Town are shaping up ahead of today's game.

Mark Cooper has no new injury concerns, but Nile Ranger's involvement has been brought into question after the striker tweeted a picture of a his car after it was involved in an accident on Christmas Day.

Swindon Advertiser: Nile Ranger challenges Oldham keeper Mark Oxley

NILE RANGER

Otherwise, the only notable absentees for the Robins remain the long-term injured trio of Troy Archibald-Henville, Alex Smith and Tijane Reis, though Archibald-Henville and Reis are closing in on returns.

11:03am

With memories of heartbreak at Griffin Park in last term's play-offs still fresh for Town fans, players and coaching staff, it's all set up to be a cracker this afternoon.

And you can follow every second right here on Matchday Live.

11:02am

Brentford last lost a home game against Rotherham on October 5 and are on a tremendous run of form going into the match this lunchtime.

Town, who have only won twice on the road in the league this season, are in desperate need of a victory to keep their play-off push intact.

11:01am

Swindon kicked off their festive campaign with a superb 2-1 victory at home to Coventry on Saturday and another tough test awaits the Robins in west London this afternoon.

11:00am

Good morning ladies and gentlemen and a very happy Christmas to you all.

Welcome to Griffin Park for the Advertiser's live coverage of Swindon Town's trip to Brentford. It's Boxing Day football at its best and we're here to bring every moment of it to you live.

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10:36am Thu 26 Dec 13

nosyrudeman says...

C'mon you REDZZZZZZZZZ.
C'mon you REDZZZZZZZZZ. nosyrudeman

10:58am Thu 26 Dec 13

the wizard says...

Come on The Town, lets celebrate Christmas with some style and guile and grab a few points off of our old team mates in the best possible way.
Never mind Ranger and his wonky driving, lets play a team of players who want to win.

Bonus points would be stopping a certain poster from hi-jacking this and every other match day thread with his total nonsense. About time The Adver got it sorted, or are they as spineless as him..
Come on The Town, lets celebrate Christmas with some style and guile and grab a few points off of our old team mates in the best possible way. Never mind Ranger and his wonky driving, lets play a team of players who want to win. Bonus points would be stopping a certain poster from hi-jacking this and every other match day thread with his total nonsense. About time The Adver got it sorted, or are they as spineless as him.. the wizard

11:34am Thu 26 Dec 13

umpcah says...

nosyrudeman wrote:
C'mon you REDZZZZZZZZZ.
I`ll second that ! Hope all my fellow posters are having a good Christmas - hic !
[quote][p][bold]nosyrudeman[/bold] wrote: C'mon you REDZZZZZZZZZ.[/p][/quote]I`ll second that ! Hope all my fellow posters are having a good Christmas - hic ! umpcah

11:47am Thu 26 Dec 13

guyswonga says...

Already at a chilly griffen park. Never a dull moment when we play here, lets hope we don't play like turkeys.
Already at a chilly griffen park. Never a dull moment when we play here, lets hope we don't play like turkeys. guyswonga

12:19pm Thu 26 Dec 13

old town robin says...

Really don't understand this team selection at the back today. Donaldson slaughtered Byrne's in the play-off before he got himself sent off. For someone who plays out wide he';s a big old fellah and I would have thought Jay would have been better suited for taking care of him (unless he's carrying a knock). Also not sure with the return selection of Nat Thompson so soon, By his standards he's having a very poor season which may be attributed to the fact he has not been 100% fit, would have preferred Byrne's or Barcham for the RB berth.

Hey ho, hope the man in charge Cooper has got it right and the back 4 play keep it tight and Wes get's an overdue clean sheet.
Really don't understand this team selection at the back today. Donaldson slaughtered Byrne's in the play-off before he got himself sent off. For someone who plays out wide he';s a big old fellah and I would have thought Jay would have been better suited for taking care of him (unless he's carrying a knock). Also not sure with the return selection of Nat Thompson so soon, By his standards he's having a very poor season which may be attributed to the fact he has not been 100% fit, would have preferred Byrne's or Barcham for the RB berth. Hey ho, hope the man in charge Cooper has got it right and the back 4 play keep it tight and Wes get's an overdue clean sheet. old town robin

12:21pm Thu 26 Dec 13

Chish and Fips says...

Good luck today Swindon Town .... would luv to see a payback display and result for us.. to be honest have my doubts, but we do spring some surprise results.every now and again.

Hi Wiz - hope your recovery is going well.
Good luck today Swindon Town .... would luv to see a payback display and result for us.. to be honest have my doubts, but we do spring some surprise results.every now and again. Hi Wiz - hope your recovery is going well. Chish and Fips

12:28pm Thu 26 Dec 13

dazzastfc says...

DONT UNDERSTAND THERE REASON FOR THE 12.30 KO...
Stupid ko time..
I think they have done there homework and know we are very poor with early starts..
As hull v man u start at 12.45 on sky so there excuse means jack
DONT UNDERSTAND THERE REASON FOR THE 12.30 KO... Stupid ko time.. I think they have done there homework and know we are very poor with early starts.. As hull v man u start at 12.45 on sky so there excuse means jack dazzastfc

12:31pm Thu 26 Dec 13

Since 1950 says...

Not only a changed kick off time due to a Greed League kick off televised at 3pm but no pre match available on line via BBC Wilts. They cut that off at 12.00.
Not only a changed kick off time due to a Greed League kick off televised at 3pm but no pre match available on line via BBC Wilts. They cut that off at 12.00. Since 1950

12:32pm Thu 26 Dec 13

Since 1950 says...

COME ON YOU REDS!!
COME ON YOU REDS!! Since 1950

12:35pm Thu 26 Dec 13

old town robin says...

dazzastfc wrote:
DONT UNDERSTAND THERE REASON FOR THE 12.30 KO...
Stupid ko time..
I think they have done there homework and know we are very poor with early starts..
As hull v man u start at 12.45 on sky so there excuse means jack
Agree with you on that Daz, think they're trying to recreate the same situ as the play-off's Doh! A repeat of the MK early KO will do for me, (without Byrne's getting his 3rd red in 6 months).
[quote][p][bold]dazzastfc[/bold] wrote: DONT UNDERSTAND THERE REASON FOR THE 12.30 KO... Stupid ko time.. I think they have done there homework and know we are very poor with early starts.. As hull v man u start at 12.45 on sky so there excuse means jack[/p][/quote]Agree with you on that Daz, think they're trying to recreate the same situ as the play-off's Doh! A repeat of the MK early KO will do for me, (without Byrne's getting his 3rd red in 6 months). old town robin

12:41pm Thu 26 Dec 13

Since 1950 says...

MASON! Get in.
MASON! Get in. Since 1950

12:44pm Thu 26 Dec 13

old town robin says...

YES, Ryan Mason on 10 mins 0=1
YES, Ryan Mason on 10 mins 0=1 old town robin

12:45pm Thu 26 Dec 13

jason900 says...

get in
get in jason900

1:00pm Thu 26 Dec 13

Since 1950 says...

1-1 stupid free kick given away unnecessarily. :-(
1-1 stupid free kick given away unnecessarily. :-( Since 1950

1:01pm Thu 26 Dec 13

Di kanny oh says...

1-1 oh dear no clean sheets today
1-1 oh dear no clean sheets today Di kanny oh

1:11pm Thu 26 Dec 13

the wizard says...

Chish and Fips wrote:
Good luck today Swindon Town .... would luv to see a payback display and result for us.. to be honest have my doubts, but we do spring some surprise results.every now and again.

Hi Wiz - hope your recovery is going well.
It was before logging on here last night and the insults flung in my direction once more. It is really about time The Adver got hold of this person and put him right as to conduct and the continuing abuse he meters out.

That aside Chish I'm holding up better than expected and fitness is returning, no doubt hampered by some brilliant food yesterday. which was immensely enjoyable. Thanks for your ongoing concerns and best wishes. I did toast a few names here on Christmas Eve, and I wish you all a great day today, especially the traveling supporters who do this proud at every away game. I'm not expecting too much from todays game but see one point as better than none and three a brilliant most welcome bonus.
[quote][p][bold]Chish and Fips[/bold] wrote: Good luck today Swindon Town .... would luv to see a payback display and result for us.. to be honest have my doubts, but we do spring some surprise results.every now and again. Hi Wiz - hope your recovery is going well.[/p][/quote]It was before logging on here last night and the insults flung in my direction once more. It is really about time The Adver got hold of this person and put him right as to conduct and the continuing abuse he meters out. That aside Chish I'm holding up better than expected and fitness is returning, no doubt hampered by some brilliant food yesterday. which was immensely enjoyable. Thanks for your ongoing concerns and best wishes. I did toast a few names here on Christmas Eve, and I wish you all a great day today, especially the traveling supporters who do this proud at every away game. I'm not expecting too much from todays game but see one point as better than none and three a brilliant most welcome bonus. the wizard

1:15pm Thu 26 Dec 13

old town robin says...

Since 1950 wrote:
1-1 stupid free kick given away unnecessarily. :-(
who gave the free kick away
[quote][p][bold]Since 1950[/bold] wrote: 1-1 stupid free kick given away unnecessarily. :-([/p][/quote]who gave the free kick away old town robin

1:23pm Thu 26 Dec 13

Since 1950 says...

Half time 1-1. Playing well enough but we have to stop giving away these silly free kicks.

COYR!
Half time 1-1. Playing well enough but we have to stop giving away these silly free kicks. COYR! Since 1950

1:45pm Thu 26 Dec 13

Since 1950 says...

Ajose!! Get in 1-2 COYR!
Ajose!! Get in 1-2 COYR! Since 1950

1:47pm Thu 26 Dec 13

old town robin says...

Ajose makes it 2-1, into double figures for him now
Ajose makes it 2-1, into double figures for him now old town robin

1:48pm Thu 26 Dec 13

Since 1950 says...

old town robin wrote:
Since 1950 wrote:
1-1 stupid free kick given away unnecessarily. :-(
who gave the free kick away
Swindon!
[quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Since 1950[/bold] wrote: 1-1 stupid free kick given away unnecessarily. :-([/p][/quote]who gave the free kick away[/p][/quote]Swindon! Since 1950

1:49pm Thu 26 Dec 13

Since 1950 says...

2-2 :-(
2-2 :-( Since 1950

1:51pm Thu 26 Dec 13

old town robin says...

I did say beware of Donaldson 2-2
I did say beware of Donaldson 2-2 old town robin

1:54pm Thu 26 Dec 13

Di kanny oh says...

Since 1950 wrote:
old town robin wrote:
Since 1950 wrote:
1-1 stupid free kick given away unnecessarily. :-(
who gave the free kick away
Swindon!
Kasim
[quote][p][bold]Since 1950[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Since 1950[/bold] wrote: 1-1 stupid free kick given away unnecessarily. :-([/p][/quote]who gave the free kick away[/p][/quote]Swindon![/p][/quote]Kasim Di kanny oh

2:01pm Thu 26 Dec 13

old town robin says...

Could be time for Cooper to play his trump card and bring on Storey, he will skin MaCormack who by all accounts should not be on the field after kicking Kasim off the ball. Keep Rangerr on the field for a two prong attack.
Could be time for Cooper to play his trump card and bring on Storey, he will skin MaCormack who by all accounts should not be on the field after kicking Kasim off the ball. Keep Rangerr on the field for a two prong attack. old town robin

2:04pm Thu 26 Dec 13

Since 1950 says...

3-2 :-( Another gift by the sound of it.
3-2 :-( Another gift by the sound of it. Since 1950

2:05pm Thu 26 Dec 13

the wizard says...

Seems we are affording them far too much respect and as such they have had the best part of the possession and with that the chances on goal. maybe we need to bring on some subs to freshen it up a bit.
Seems we are affording them far too much respect and as such they have had the best part of the possession and with that the chances on goal. maybe we need to bring on some subs to freshen it up a bit. the wizard

2:13pm Thu 26 Dec 13

dazzastfc says...

MORE SHAT DEFENDING....WHAT A SHOCK
MORE SHAT DEFENDING....WHAT A SHOCK dazzastfc

2:24pm Thu 26 Dec 13

bradley red 1 says...

Ward and Foderingham ,oh dear what a xmas gift that was! 3 points lost.
Ward and Foderingham ,oh dear what a xmas gift that was! 3 points lost. bradley red 1

2:32pm Thu 26 Dec 13

the wizard says...

bradley red 1 wrote:
Ward and Foderingham ,oh dear what a xmas gift that was! 3 points lost.
We went to the league leaders, went in front twice and attacked when we could with a team flung together on a shoe string compared to Brentford who have been building over the last 3/4 seasons. We gave them a game and Ok we lost but at least we tried. Would love to see any one here do better.
[quote][p][bold]bradley red 1[/bold] wrote: Ward and Foderingham ,oh dear what a xmas gift that was! 3 points lost.[/p][/quote]We went to the league leaders, went in front twice and attacked when we could with a team flung together on a shoe string compared to Brentford who have been building over the last 3/4 seasons. We gave them a game and Ok we lost but at least we tried. Would love to see any one here do better. the wizard

2:34pm Thu 26 Dec 13

dazzastfc says...

ANOTHER 3 POINTS THROWN AWAY...
MORE SCHOOL BOY DEFENDING FROM WARD YET AGAIN...
When in dought smash it out
ANOTHER 3 POINTS THROWN AWAY... MORE SCHOOL BOY DEFENDING FROM WARD YET AGAIN... When in dought smash it out dazzastfc

2:34pm Thu 26 Dec 13

old town robin says...

3 more goals conceded, another shocking defensive display, not good enough having been in front twice, Does Cooper have a defence coach, because if he does, he's getting paid under false pretences.
3 more goals conceded, another shocking defensive display, not good enough having been in front twice, Does Cooper have a defence coach, because if he does, he's getting paid under false pretences. old town robin

2:35pm Thu 26 Dec 13

Since 1950 says...

3 silly goals given away there and we give away possession too easily I'm afraid. At least we went away with some strikers and gave it a good go.
3 silly goals given away there and we give away possession too easily I'm afraid. At least we went away with some strikers and gave it a good go. Since 1950

2:37pm Thu 26 Dec 13

The Town End says...

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
OOO yet ANOTHER away defeat!!!!!....Get rid of Ward now, fecking useless!!. Power wants Championship football?? hahahaha yeah ok mate, not in our lifetime guys....Useless this lot!!!
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOO yet ANOTHER away defeat!!!!!....Get rid of Ward now, fecking useless!!. Power wants Championship football?? hahahaha yeah ok mate, not in our lifetime guys....Useless this lot!!! The Town End

2:42pm Thu 26 Dec 13

Di kanny oh says...

Could only see a defeat today but sounds like we have played well and surely deserved something from the game. Its that defending again that has undone us. Its always going to be hard to win games like this against a high flying Brentford team but as Hockaday said on the radio Town played very well and were very unlucky to come away with nothing. At least we have given a good account of ourselves and no harm in defeat as long as we have given it a go. Brentford ARE a better team than us so this was a good test for our young and inexperienced team who still have plenty to learn. To lead this team twice today is testimony that Town are getting there and surely a defender or two is a must if we are to push on. Hall gets better each game where Ward is slowing up each game it seems. Don' see anything from the Bradford game either but play like today at least that is better than some of the resent away games.
Could only see a defeat today but sounds like we have played well and surely deserved something from the game. Its that defending again that has undone us. Its always going to be hard to win games like this against a high flying Brentford team but as Hockaday said on the radio Town played very well and were very unlucky to come away with nothing. At least we have given a good account of ourselves and no harm in defeat as long as we have given it a go. Brentford ARE a better team than us so this was a good test for our young and inexperienced team who still have plenty to learn. To lead this team twice today is testimony that Town are getting there and surely a defender or two is a must if we are to push on. Hall gets better each game where Ward is slowing up each game it seems. Don' see anything from the Bradford game either but play like today at least that is better than some of the resent away games. Di kanny oh

2:51pm Thu 26 Dec 13

Di kanny oh says...

the wizard wrote:
bradley red 1 wrote:
Ward and Foderingham ,oh dear what a xmas gift that was! 3 points lost.
We went to the league leaders, went in front twice and attacked when we could with a team flung together on a shoe string compared to Brentford who have been building over the last 3/4 seasons. We gave them a game and Ok we lost but at least we tried. Would love to see any one here do better.
Well said Wiz to put things into perspective Cooper actually said on the radio just now fans asked for a more attacking team than the one who went to Sheff U and I would rather have today's performance than trying to defend and grind out games with our defence. Coops said this is what the fans want so this is what he has done. Obviously Ward and Hall have played every minute of League football and we need more defensive bodies in January to see if we can change our kamikaze defending. This is the only area we are weak and lets hope we can work to get this right.
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bradley red 1[/bold] wrote: Ward and Foderingham ,oh dear what a xmas gift that was! 3 points lost.[/p][/quote]We went to the league leaders, went in front twice and attacked when we could with a team flung together on a shoe string compared to Brentford who have been building over the last 3/4 seasons. We gave them a game and Ok we lost but at least we tried. Would love to see any one here do better.[/p][/quote]Well said Wiz to put things into perspective Cooper actually said on the radio just now fans asked for a more attacking team than the one who went to Sheff U and I would rather have today's performance than trying to defend and grind out games with our defence. Coops said this is what the fans want so this is what he has done. Obviously Ward and Hall have played every minute of League football and we need more defensive bodies in January to see if we can change our kamikaze defending. This is the only area we are weak and lets hope we can work to get this right. Di kanny oh

2:53pm Thu 26 Dec 13

mowey33 says...

away form again, sounded like a much better display but again defensive frailties and more goals gifted away, trotta ran all over us for 10 minutes and then we let him score why did no one think to just go and mark him man for man and mark him out of the game. disappointing.
Leading twice and then letting them straight back in it, where is the concentration?
Positives we are taking the game to teams again away from home so lets go again on sunday against Bradford and hopefully start sorting our away form out, come on lads pick up more points away from home and we could be right up there as our home form is still good
away form again, sounded like a much better display but again defensive frailties and more goals gifted away, trotta ran all over us for 10 minutes and then we let him score why did no one think to just go and mark him man for man and mark him out of the game. disappointing. Leading twice and then letting them straight back in it, where is the concentration? Positives we are taking the game to teams again away from home so lets go again on sunday against Bradford and hopefully start sorting our away form out, come on lads pick up more points away from home and we could be right up there as our home form is still good mowey33

2:56pm Thu 26 Dec 13

Oi Den! says...

A bit disappointing to hear Cooper more or less admit that public opinion decided his approach to today's game, He should trust his own judgment, not be swayed by the fans. No real surprise to hear McCormack had a stormer against our lightweight players. How we could do with a player like him now.
A bit disappointing to hear Cooper more or less admit that public opinion decided his approach to today's game, He should trust his own judgment, not be swayed by the fans. No real surprise to hear McCormack had a stormer against our lightweight players. How we could do with a player like him now. Oi Den!

2:58pm Thu 26 Dec 13

the wizard says...

Di kanny oh wrote:
the wizard wrote:
bradley red 1 wrote:
Ward and Foderingham ,oh dear what a xmas gift that was! 3 points lost.
We went to the league leaders, went in front twice and attacked when we could with a team flung together on a shoe string compared to Brentford who have been building over the last 3/4 seasons. We gave them a game and Ok we lost but at least we tried. Would love to see any one here do better.
Well said Wiz to put things into perspective Cooper actually said on the radio just now fans asked for a more attacking team than the one who went to Sheff U and I would rather have today's performance than trying to defend and grind out games with our defence. Coops said this is what the fans want so this is what he has done. Obviously Ward and Hall have played every minute of League football and we need more defensive bodies in January to see if we can change our kamikaze defending. This is the only area we are weak and lets hope we can work to get this right.
If that is the case then Cooper should be widely and loudly applauded. I take my hat off to the man and say a big "Thankyou". Better to try and fail, than to not try at all.

Hopefully today's performance and result will give Cooper and Power a sharp pointer as to where they should be concentrating their efforts over the coming days in citing transfer deals in January. I'm happy with our league position and status given our out look a year ago and a lot need to remember that.
[quote][p][bold]Di kanny oh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bradley red 1[/bold] wrote: Ward and Foderingham ,oh dear what a xmas gift that was! 3 points lost.[/p][/quote]We went to the league leaders, went in front twice and attacked when we could with a team flung together on a shoe string compared to Brentford who have been building over the last 3/4 seasons. We gave them a game and Ok we lost but at least we tried. Would love to see any one here do better.[/p][/quote]Well said Wiz to put things into perspective Cooper actually said on the radio just now fans asked for a more attacking team than the one who went to Sheff U and I would rather have today's performance than trying to defend and grind out games with our defence. Coops said this is what the fans want so this is what he has done. Obviously Ward and Hall have played every minute of League football and we need more defensive bodies in January to see if we can change our kamikaze defending. This is the only area we are weak and lets hope we can work to get this right.[/p][/quote]If that is the case then Cooper should be widely and loudly applauded. I take my hat off to the man and say a big "Thankyou". Better to try and fail, than to not try at all. Hopefully today's performance and result will give Cooper and Power a sharp pointer as to where they should be concentrating their efforts over the coming days in citing transfer deals in January. I'm happy with our league position and status given our out look a year ago and a lot need to remember that. the wizard

3:04pm Thu 26 Dec 13

dazzastfc says...

the wizard wrote:
bradley red 1 wrote:
Ward and Foderingham ,oh dear what a xmas gift that was! 3 points lost.
We went to the league leaders, went in front twice and attacked when we could with a team flung together on a shoe string compared to Brentford who have been building over the last 3/4 seasons. We gave them a game and Ok we lost but at least we tried. Would love to see any one here do better.
wIZ ARE DEFENCE HAS BEEN CRAP ALL SEASON AND ARE MANAGER CANT CHANGE THAT TACTIC....Dont no why but thats his tactic not the fans or anyone else

Dont care about the other team as we have gifted yet another 3 points through BAD DEFENDING
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bradley red 1[/bold] wrote: Ward and Foderingham ,oh dear what a xmas gift that was! 3 points lost.[/p][/quote]We went to the league leaders, went in front twice and attacked when we could with a team flung together on a shoe string compared to Brentford who have been building over the last 3/4 seasons. We gave them a game and Ok we lost but at least we tried. Would love to see any one here do better.[/p][/quote]wIZ ARE DEFENCE HAS BEEN CRAP ALL SEASON AND ARE MANAGER CANT CHANGE THAT TACTIC....Dont no why but thats his tactic not the fans or anyone else Dont care about the other team as we have gifted yet another 3 points through BAD DEFENDING dazzastfc

3:23pm Thu 26 Dec 13

the wizard says...

dazza, I said right at the beginning of the season that Ward had had his day and got shafted for it. I wasn't happy to say it then nor like you and the rest am I happy that he has slipped a long way so quickly. Big shame in my book, but it seems there is little or no understanding between the back line and Fodders, and I'll say it again, I don't think Fodders has been as good since the PDC crew left. They elevated his game, got understandings sorted and made him a far better keeper than he is now. Diggers has not taken him forwards. Hopefully Coopower will sort things come January.
dazza, I said right at the beginning of the season that Ward had had his day and got shafted for it. I wasn't happy to say it then nor like you and the rest am I happy that he has slipped a long way so quickly. Big shame in my book, but it seems there is little or no understanding between the back line and Fodders, and I'll say it again, I don't think Fodders has been as good since the PDC crew left. They elevated his game, got understandings sorted and made him a far better keeper than he is now. Diggers has not taken him forwards. Hopefully Coopower will sort things come January. the wizard

3:25pm Thu 26 Dec 13

Another view says...

the wizard says...

bradley red 1 wrote:
Ward and Foderingham ,oh dear what a xmas gift that was! 3 points lost.

We went to the league leaders, went in front twice and attacked when we could with a team flung together on a shoe string compared to Brentford who have been building over the last 3/4 seasons. We gave them a game and Ok we lost but at least we tried. Would love to see any one here do better.

- By all accounts this was a 100% improvement on the Sheffield Utd game. At least the guys had a real go, so can we blame them this time for leaking goals?. As someone said last week, a defensive coaching role for Ward, plus a new grizzled central defender would would tighten things up at the back.
the wizard says... bradley red 1 wrote: Ward and Foderingham ,oh dear what a xmas gift that was! 3 points lost. We went to the league leaders, went in front twice and attacked when we could with a team flung together on a shoe string compared to Brentford who have been building over the last 3/4 seasons. We gave them a game and Ok we lost but at least we tried. Would love to see any one here do better. - By all accounts this was a 100% improvement on the Sheffield Utd game. At least the guys had a real go, so can we blame them this time for leaking goals?. As someone said last week, a defensive coaching role for Ward, plus a new grizzled central defender would would tighten things up at the back. Another view

3:30pm Thu 26 Dec 13

Chish and Fips says...

Disappointed we couldn't get out anything of today - sounds like the defence frailties hit us again.

Small consolation - Leyton Orient back on top of L1 now in place of Brentford.... they won at Gillingham.
Disappointed we couldn't get out anything of today - sounds like the defence frailties hit us again. Small consolation - Leyton Orient back on top of L1 now in place of Brentford.... they won at Gillingham. Chish and Fips

3:56pm Thu 26 Dec 13

The Jockster says...

Enjoying a couple of pints of London pride after the game. A disappointing result in the end but a far superior performance than Crawley and Sheffield. Cooper stated his set up was dictated by the fans - well at least it was better to watch! We looked good at one nil up then they scored from a free kick that never was in a million years. Got our noses in front and then the defence decide
to hand out late prezzies to Donaldson and Del Boy Trotter - game over after that.
Macca was tenacious as usual but typically fouled Byrne and was rightly booked and then got involved in a fracas that was nothing to do with him!
Enjoying a couple of pints of London pride after the game. A disappointing result in the end but a far superior performance than Crawley and Sheffield. Cooper stated his set up was dictated by the fans - well at least it was better to watch! We looked good at one nil up then they scored from a free kick that never was in a million years. Got our noses in front and then the defence decide to hand out late prezzies to Donaldson and Del Boy Trotter - game over after that. Macca was tenacious as usual but typically fouled Byrne and was rightly booked and then got involved in a fracas that was nothing to do with him! The Jockster

4:00pm Thu 26 Dec 13

london paolo says...

Just back from the game. I haven't seen too many this season so will defer to those who watch more, but in a nutshell:

- lots of neat passing and tight control, but you get the impression the margins are so fine that it's only a matter of time before the move breaks down
- Brentford were a yard quicker to the ball than us. We were too slow, too flat footed, not quick enough to respond and gave them too much space
- terrible defending for two of their goals. The second one was the worst: no-one at the near post to cut out the cross, let alone leaving a player unmarked
- didn't create enough chances.

Ranger didn't look too interested, and it seemed that we were mirroring Tim Sherwood's Spurs 4-4-2 rather than AVB's 4-2-3-1 but Ranger and Ajose never played close enough to one another. Surprised the mis-match of Donaldson vs. Byrne was repeated, although I thought he did better than that ordeal back in May.
Just back from the game. I haven't seen too many this season so will defer to those who watch more, but in a nutshell: - lots of neat passing and tight control, but you get the impression the margins are so fine that it's only a matter of time before the move breaks down - Brentford were a yard quicker to the ball than us. We were too slow, too flat footed, not quick enough to respond and gave them too much space - terrible defending for two of their goals. The second one was the worst: no-one at the near post to cut out the cross, let alone leaving a player unmarked - didn't create enough chances. Ranger didn't look too interested, and it seemed that we were mirroring Tim Sherwood's Spurs 4-4-2 rather than AVB's 4-2-3-1 but Ranger and Ajose never played close enough to one another. Surprised the mis-match of Donaldson vs. Byrne was repeated, although I thought he did better than that ordeal back in May. london paolo

4:39pm Thu 26 Dec 13

Oi Den! says...

london paolo wrote:
Just back from the game. I haven't seen too many this season so will defer to those who watch more, but in a nutshell:

- lots of neat passing and tight control, but you get the impression the margins are so fine that it's only a matter of time before the move breaks down
- Brentford were a yard quicker to the ball than us. We were too slow, too flat footed, not quick enough to respond and gave them too much space
- terrible defending for two of their goals. The second one was the worst: no-one at the near post to cut out the cross, let alone leaving a player unmarked
- didn't create enough chances.

Ranger didn't look too interested, and it seemed that we were mirroring Tim Sherwood's Spurs 4-4-2 rather than AVB's 4-2-3-1 but Ranger and Ajose never played close enough to one another. Surprised the mis-match of Donaldson vs. Byrne was repeated, although I thought he did better than that ordeal back in May.
Thanks LP. Your report pretty much sums up the way I see our team generally. Cooper said he wanted three points for Christmas. He didn't get them but what he really needs is a belated present of three players in January.

I'm not moaning. I just think we should face the fact that we're not good enough to compete at the top of this division. Managers can tinker all they like with formations but it comes down to players in the end. Those who wanted an attacking set-up got their wish today and predictably enough we still lost. Fair enough Jock I'm sure you saw a much better game than the one at Bramall Lane a couple of weeks ago. But a defeat is still a defeat. With the best will and tactics in the world, Cooper is not going make the players what they're not.

Here's an off the wall thought. The best centre half in the club may be Nile Ranger.
[quote][p][bold]london paolo[/bold] wrote: Just back from the game. I haven't seen too many this season so will defer to those who watch more, but in a nutshell: - lots of neat passing and tight control, but you get the impression the margins are so fine that it's only a matter of time before the move breaks down - Brentford were a yard quicker to the ball than us. We were too slow, too flat footed, not quick enough to respond and gave them too much space - terrible defending for two of their goals. The second one was the worst: no-one at the near post to cut out the cross, let alone leaving a player unmarked - didn't create enough chances. Ranger didn't look too interested, and it seemed that we were mirroring Tim Sherwood's Spurs 4-4-2 rather than AVB's 4-2-3-1 but Ranger and Ajose never played close enough to one another. Surprised the mis-match of Donaldson vs. Byrne was repeated, although I thought he did better than that ordeal back in May.[/p][/quote]Thanks LP. Your report pretty much sums up the way I see our team generally. Cooper said he wanted three points for Christmas. He didn't get them but what he really needs is a belated present of three players in January. I'm not moaning. I just think we should face the fact that we're not good enough to compete at the top of this division. Managers can tinker all they like with formations but it comes down to players in the end. Those who wanted an attacking set-up got their wish today and predictably enough we still lost. Fair enough Jock I'm sure you saw a much better game than the one at Bramall Lane a couple of weeks ago. But a defeat is still a defeat. With the best will and tactics in the world, Cooper is not going make the players what they're not. Here's an off the wall thought. The best centre half in the club may be Nile Ranger. Oi Den!

5:24pm Thu 26 Dec 13

dazzastfc says...

the wizard wrote:
dazza, I said right at the beginning of the season that Ward had had his day and got shafted for it. I wasn't happy to say it then nor like you and the rest am I happy that he has slipped a long way so quickly. Big shame in my book, but it seems there is little or no understanding between the back line and Fodders, and I'll say it again, I don't think Fodders has been as good since the PDC crew left. They elevated his game, got understandings sorted and made him a far better keeper than he is now. Diggers has not taken him forwards. Hopefully Coopower will sort things come January.
Hope your right mate WITH THE JANUARY SALES but I cant see things changing esp with the defending.
By the sound of things Pritchard dint look to bothered and when asked the question about leaving he blanked it...

I dont rate Ward NEVER HAVE AND NEVER WILL but thats my opinion

I was not happy with cooper as he said the fans wonted to play that formation..
As we all no the formation we all wont is good defending and attacking football..

I dont blame Fodders as I think he is a good keeper..
BUT his confidence must be very low knowing that he is playing with a poor defence week in week out..

Are next 5 games are very hard and with the defence like it is I am not very concerned
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: dazza, I said right at the beginning of the season that Ward had had his day and got shafted for it. I wasn't happy to say it then nor like you and the rest am I happy that he has slipped a long way so quickly. Big shame in my book, but it seems there is little or no understanding between the back line and Fodders, and I'll say it again, I don't think Fodders has been as good since the PDC crew left. They elevated his game, got understandings sorted and made him a far better keeper than he is now. Diggers has not taken him forwards. Hopefully Coopower will sort things come January.[/p][/quote]Hope your right mate WITH THE JANUARY SALES but I cant see things changing esp with the defending. By the sound of things Pritchard dint look to bothered and when asked the question about leaving he blanked it... I dont rate Ward NEVER HAVE AND NEVER WILL but thats my opinion I was not happy with cooper as he said the fans wonted to play that formation.. As we all no the formation we all wont is good defending and attacking football.. I dont blame Fodders as I think he is a good keeper.. BUT his confidence must be very low knowing that he is playing with a poor defence week in week out.. Are next 5 games are very hard and with the defence like it is I am not very concerned dazzastfc

5:56pm Thu 26 Dec 13

swwindon61uk says...

Good game today but yet again rank bad defending has cost us.
Nothing between the teams at all, Brentford did have a couple of periods of expected domination.
They are the best in the league? then we have nothing o much to worry about.
Right the couple of talking points,McCormack IMHO should have been sent off in the first half at 0-0 for kicking and that would have been a difference so early and he defiantly should have been sent off in that melee at the end for again kicking an opponent,not once but twice.
The incident that was part of melee was the appeal for handball against Brentford and it was defiantly a penalty,i had a great view of it.
Bottom line is we have to play the same team and system by and large we did last Saturday and today and then i think we still have a shout of the playoffs.
Good game today but yet again rank bad defending has cost us. Nothing between the teams at all, Brentford did have a couple of periods of expected domination. They are the best in the league? then we have nothing o much to worry about. Right the couple of talking points,McCormack IMHO should have been sent off in the first half at 0-0 for kicking and that would have been a difference so early and he defiantly should have been sent off in that melee at the end for again kicking an opponent,not once but twice. The incident that was part of melee was the appeal for handball against Brentford and it was defiantly a penalty,i had a great view of it. Bottom line is we have to play the same team and system by and large we did last Saturday and today and then i think we still have a shout of the playoffs. swwindon61uk

5:59pm Thu 26 Dec 13

swwindon61uk says...

Whilst i am at it,no way was it a free kick for their great first goal.
Whilst i am at it,no way was it a free kick for their great first goal. swwindon61uk

6:06pm Thu 26 Dec 13

Chish and Fips says...

Oi Den! wrote:
london paolo wrote:
Just back from the game. I haven't seen too many this season so will defer to those who watch more, but in a nutshell:

- lots of neat passing and tight control, but you get the impression the margins are so fine that it's only a matter of time before the move breaks down
- Brentford were a yard quicker to the ball than us. We were too slow, too flat footed, not quick enough to respond and gave them too much space
- terrible defending for two of their goals. The second one was the worst: no-one at the near post to cut out the cross, let alone leaving a player unmarked
- didn't create enough chances.

Ranger didn't look too interested, and it seemed that we were mirroring Tim Sherwood's Spurs 4-4-2 rather than AVB's 4-2-3-1 but Ranger and Ajose never played close enough to one another. Surprised the mis-match of Donaldson vs. Byrne was repeated, although I thought he did better than that ordeal back in May.
Thanks LP. Your report pretty much sums up the way I see our team generally. Cooper said he wanted three points for Christmas. He didn't get them but what he really needs is a belated present of three players in January.

I'm not moaning. I just think we should face the fact that we're not good enough to compete at the top of this division. Managers can tinker all they like with formations but it comes down to players in the end. Those who wanted an attacking set-up got their wish today and predictably enough we still lost. Fair enough Jock I'm sure you saw a much better game than the one at Bramall Lane a couple of weeks ago. But a defeat is still a defeat. With the best will and tactics in the world, Cooper is not going make the players what they're not.

Here's an off the wall thought. The best centre half in the club may be Nile Ranger.
Sorry Den -- I'm old school - Shaun Taylor or Mel Nurse type for me... I think by what I hear, Nile does not have those type of qualities of the ones I mentioned ... I am open to be corrected though.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]london paolo[/bold] wrote: Just back from the game. I haven't seen too many this season so will defer to those who watch more, but in a nutshell: - lots of neat passing and tight control, but you get the impression the margins are so fine that it's only a matter of time before the move breaks down - Brentford were a yard quicker to the ball than us. We were too slow, too flat footed, not quick enough to respond and gave them too much space - terrible defending for two of their goals. The second one was the worst: no-one at the near post to cut out the cross, let alone leaving a player unmarked - didn't create enough chances. Ranger didn't look too interested, and it seemed that we were mirroring Tim Sherwood's Spurs 4-4-2 rather than AVB's 4-2-3-1 but Ranger and Ajose never played close enough to one another. Surprised the mis-match of Donaldson vs. Byrne was repeated, although I thought he did better than that ordeal back in May.[/p][/quote]Thanks LP. Your report pretty much sums up the way I see our team generally. Cooper said he wanted three points for Christmas. He didn't get them but what he really needs is a belated present of three players in January. I'm not moaning. I just think we should face the fact that we're not good enough to compete at the top of this division. Managers can tinker all they like with formations but it comes down to players in the end. Those who wanted an attacking set-up got their wish today and predictably enough we still lost. Fair enough Jock I'm sure you saw a much better game than the one at Bramall Lane a couple of weeks ago. But a defeat is still a defeat. With the best will and tactics in the world, Cooper is not going make the players what they're not. Here's an off the wall thought. The best centre half in the club may be Nile Ranger.[/p][/quote]Sorry Den -- I'm old school - Shaun Taylor or Mel Nurse type for me... I think by what I hear, Nile does not have those type of qualities of the ones I mentioned ... I am open to be corrected though. Chish and Fips

6:07pm Thu 26 Dec 13

swwindon61uk says...

Oi Den! wrote:
A bit disappointing to hear Cooper more or less admit that public opinion decided his approach to today's game, He should trust his own judgment, not be swayed by the fans. No real surprise to hear McCormack had a stormer against our lightweight players. How we could do with a player like him now.
Would not say he had a stormer Den, in fact far from it IMHO, he should have been sent off twice which is the other side of the coin with him isn't it/
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: A bit disappointing to hear Cooper more or less admit that public opinion decided his approach to today's game, He should trust his own judgment, not be swayed by the fans. No real surprise to hear McCormack had a stormer against our lightweight players. How we could do with a player like him now.[/p][/quote]Would not say he had a stormer Den, in fact far from it IMHO, he should have been sent off twice which is the other side of the coin with him isn't it/ swwindon61uk

6:10pm Thu 26 Dec 13

swwindon61uk says...

Di kanny oh wrote:
Could only see a defeat today but sounds like we have played well and surely deserved something from the game. Its that defending again that has undone us. Its always going to be hard to win games like this against a high flying Brentford team but as Hockaday said on the radio Town played very well and were very unlucky to come away with nothing. At least we have given a good account of ourselves and no harm in defeat as long as we have given it a go. Brentford ARE a better team than us so this was a good test for our young and inexperienced team who still have plenty to learn. To lead this team twice today is testimony that Town are getting there and surely a defender or two is a must if we are to push on. Hall gets better each game where Ward is slowing up each game it seems. Don' see anything from the Bradford game either but play like today at least that is better than some of the resent away games.
We were talking to a couple of Brenford fans in the pub before hand and they must have thought we were liars as we said we play 4-6-0 away and don't attack much.....LOL
[quote][p][bold]Di kanny oh[/bold] wrote: Could only see a defeat today but sounds like we have played well and surely deserved something from the game. Its that defending again that has undone us. Its always going to be hard to win games like this against a high flying Brentford team but as Hockaday said on the radio Town played very well and were very unlucky to come away with nothing. At least we have given a good account of ourselves and no harm in defeat as long as we have given it a go. Brentford ARE a better team than us so this was a good test for our young and inexperienced team who still have plenty to learn. To lead this team twice today is testimony that Town are getting there and surely a defender or two is a must if we are to push on. Hall gets better each game where Ward is slowing up each game it seems. Don' see anything from the Bradford game either but play like today at least that is better than some of the resent away games.[/p][/quote]We were talking to a couple of Brenford fans in the pub before hand and they must have thought we were liars as we said we play 4-6-0 away and don't attack much.....LOL swwindon61uk

6:17pm Thu 26 Dec 13

Swindon Crier says...

Yet again bad defending, starting with the goalie, not nearly as good as everybody says,good shot stopper supposedly, rubbish in the air does not command the area, bit of a poser, sell him and get two new center halves, Hall got promise but needs a rest,Ward past it, midfield not strong enough when the going gets tough, they don't want to mix it , gotta win ugly sometimes, only Thompson and Kasim happy to leave their mark,Ranger great on his day but too much baggage, still that aside we were in the game up until their second goal, then overrun a bit, didn't hear any moaning myself but there was some reports of slagging of coops and the team,well if there was ****, springs to mind, we always knew would be up and down season and if I was told we would be where we are at the start of the season I would have jumped at it coyr
Yet again bad defending, starting with the goalie, not nearly as good as everybody says,good shot stopper supposedly, rubbish in the air does not command the area, bit of a poser, sell him and get two new center halves, Hall got promise but needs a rest,Ward past it, midfield not strong enough when the going gets tough, they don't want to mix it , gotta win ugly sometimes, only Thompson and Kasim happy to leave their mark,Ranger great on his day but too much baggage, still that aside we were in the game up until their second goal, then overrun a bit, didn't hear any moaning myself but there was some reports of slagging of coops and the team,well if there was ****, springs to mind, we always knew would be up and down season and if I was told we would be where we are at the start of the season I would have jumped at it coyr Swindon Crier

6:31pm Thu 26 Dec 13

swwindon61uk says...

Just seen the goals on TV and it looks like Hall was to blame for the 2nd goal and Foderingham the 3rd.
It is something i have noticed with Wes,he always gives a late shout to the defender and this sort of goal has been on the card for a while.
Just seen the goals on TV and it looks like Hall was to blame for the 2nd goal and Foderingham the 3rd. It is something i have noticed with Wes,he always gives a late shout to the defender and this sort of goal has been on the card for a while. swwindon61uk

6:33pm Thu 26 Dec 13

joey butler says...

Swindon Crier wrote:
Yet again bad defending, starting with the goalie, not nearly as good as everybody says,good shot stopper supposedly, rubbish in the air does not command the area, bit of a poser, sell him and get two new center halves, Hall got promise but needs a rest,Ward past it, midfield not strong enough when the going gets tough, they don't want to mix it , gotta win ugly sometimes, only Thompson and Kasim happy to leave their mark,Ranger great on his day but too much baggage, still that aside we were in the game up until their second goal, then overrun a bit, didn't hear any moaning myself but there was some reports of slagging of coops and the team,well if there was ****, springs to mind, we always knew would be up and down season and if I was told we would be where we are at the start of the season I would have jumped at it coyr
Agree Crier,

I would also sell Fods, but buy Ajose. Most of the money left would be owed to Palace for Fods.

New Centre Half needs to be a loanee until the end of the season, we cannot afford to buy one, but Power seems to have the right contacts.

Play offs still possible, but only subject to above moves!
[quote][p][bold]Swindon Crier[/bold] wrote: Yet again bad defending, starting with the goalie, not nearly as good as everybody says,good shot stopper supposedly, rubbish in the air does not command the area, bit of a poser, sell him and get two new center halves, Hall got promise but needs a rest,Ward past it, midfield not strong enough when the going gets tough, they don't want to mix it , gotta win ugly sometimes, only Thompson and Kasim happy to leave their mark,Ranger great on his day but too much baggage, still that aside we were in the game up until their second goal, then overrun a bit, didn't hear any moaning myself but there was some reports of slagging of coops and the team,well if there was ****, springs to mind, we always knew would be up and down season and if I was told we would be where we are at the start of the season I would have jumped at it coyr[/p][/quote]Agree Crier, I would also sell Fods, but buy Ajose. Most of the money left would be owed to Palace for Fods. New Centre Half needs to be a loanee until the end of the season, we cannot afford to buy one, but Power seems to have the right contacts. Play offs still possible, but only subject to above moves! joey butler

6:48pm Thu 26 Dec 13

Oi Den! says...

swwindon61uk wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
A bit disappointing to hear Cooper more or less admit that public opinion decided his approach to today's game, He should trust his own judgment, not be swayed by the fans. No real surprise to hear McCormack had a stormer against our lightweight players. How we could do with a player like him now.
Would not say he had a stormer Den, in fact far from it IMHO, he should have been sent off twice which is the other side of the coin with him isn't it/
61, I didn't take it as gospel but from the radio commentary and Dave Hockaday's analysis it sounded like McCormack had a great game.

I completely agree about his indiscipline. It used to infuriate me when he was with us. However, I'd still have a player like him in our midfield now, warts n all - although I gather he's playing at full back again now.

Chish, correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think you've seen Ranger play, have you? He produces some excellent defensive headers, he's strong, skilful and deceptively quick. I just have a feeling he would make a very good central defender - and he wouldn't have to be brilliant to be better than what we have now. I'm not suggesting he's in the same league as Mel Nurse or Shaun Taylor. That comparison is pointless IMO. How many of our central defenders have had the attributes of Nurse and/or Taylor?. I wasn't suggesting anything as radical as actually playing Ranger in that position, just that I think he could do the job. Any other posters have a view on that?

Whether we should have signed Ranger at all is another matter.
[quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: A bit disappointing to hear Cooper more or less admit that public opinion decided his approach to today's game, He should trust his own judgment, not be swayed by the fans. No real surprise to hear McCormack had a stormer against our lightweight players. How we could do with a player like him now.[/p][/quote]Would not say he had a stormer Den, in fact far from it IMHO, he should have been sent off twice which is the other side of the coin with him isn't it/[/p][/quote]61, I didn't take it as gospel but from the radio commentary and Dave Hockaday's analysis it sounded like McCormack had a great game. I completely agree about his indiscipline. It used to infuriate me when he was with us. However, I'd still have a player like him in our midfield now, warts n all - although I gather he's playing at full back again now. Chish, correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think you've seen Ranger play, have you? He produces some excellent defensive headers, he's strong, skilful and deceptively quick. I just have a feeling he would make a very good central defender - and he wouldn't have to be brilliant to be better than what we have now. I'm not suggesting he's in the same league as Mel Nurse or Shaun Taylor. That comparison is pointless IMO. How many of our central defenders have had the attributes of Nurse and/or Taylor?. I wasn't suggesting anything as radical as actually playing Ranger in that position, just that I think he could do the job. Any other posters have a view on that? Whether we should have signed Ranger at all is another matter. Oi Den!

7:18pm Thu 26 Dec 13

swwindon61uk says...

Oi Den! wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
A bit disappointing to hear Cooper more or less admit that public opinion decided his approach to today's game, He should trust his own judgment, not be swayed by the fans. No real surprise to hear McCormack had a stormer against our lightweight players. How we could do with a player like him now.
Would not say he had a stormer Den, in fact far from it IMHO, he should have been sent off twice which is the other side of the coin with him isn't it/
61, I didn't take it as gospel but from the radio commentary and Dave Hockaday's analysis it sounded like McCormack had a great game.

I completely agree about his indiscipline. It used to infuriate me when he was with us. However, I'd still have a player like him in our midfield now, warts n all - although I gather he's playing at full back again now.

Chish, correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think you've seen Ranger play, have you? He produces some excellent defensive headers, he's strong, skilful and deceptively quick. I just have a feeling he would make a very good central defender - and he wouldn't have to be brilliant to be better than what we have now. I'm not suggesting he's in the same league as Mel Nurse or Shaun Taylor. That comparison is pointless IMO. How many of our central defenders have had the attributes of Nurse and/or Taylor?. I wasn't suggesting anything as radical as actually playing Ranger in that position, just that I think he could do the job. Any other posters have a view on that?

Whether we should have signed Ranger at all is another matter.
Ranger was outstanding defending corners today..
McCormack was RB today, i would have him back CB at this moment.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: A bit disappointing to hear Cooper more or less admit that public opinion decided his approach to today's game, He should trust his own judgment, not be swayed by the fans. No real surprise to hear McCormack had a stormer against our lightweight players. How we could do with a player like him now.[/p][/quote]Would not say he had a stormer Den, in fact far from it IMHO, he should have been sent off twice which is the other side of the coin with him isn't it/[/p][/quote]61, I didn't take it as gospel but from the radio commentary and Dave Hockaday's analysis it sounded like McCormack had a great game. I completely agree about his indiscipline. It used to infuriate me when he was with us. However, I'd still have a player like him in our midfield now, warts n all - although I gather he's playing at full back again now. Chish, correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think you've seen Ranger play, have you? He produces some excellent defensive headers, he's strong, skilful and deceptively quick. I just have a feeling he would make a very good central defender - and he wouldn't have to be brilliant to be better than what we have now. I'm not suggesting he's in the same league as Mel Nurse or Shaun Taylor. That comparison is pointless IMO. How many of our central defenders have had the attributes of Nurse and/or Taylor?. I wasn't suggesting anything as radical as actually playing Ranger in that position, just that I think he could do the job. Any other posters have a view on that? Whether we should have signed Ranger at all is another matter.[/p][/quote]Ranger was outstanding defending corners today.. McCormack was RB today, i would have him back CB at this moment. swwindon61uk

7:20pm Thu 26 Dec 13

the don69 says...

Well chaps our defence is worse than Santa Claus at giving out presents!talk about charity at Christmas!we gifted the Bees 3 points,just basic schoolboy defending!seems they never learn?until Power can get a decent centre-half and a ball -winner in mid-field we got no chance of a promotion challenge!Coops must know our defending has been awful at best all season!I hope they have a target in mind for Jan,or we will be giving out late Christmas presents for the rest of the season!it's simple chaps,instead of Santa Claus we need a Scrooge like defence that gives nothing away lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well chaps our defence is worse than Santa Claus at giving out presents!talk about charity at Christmas!we gifted the Bees 3 points,just basic schoolboy defending!seems they never learn?until Power can get a decent centre-half and a ball -winner in mid-field we got no chance of a promotion challenge!Coops must know our defending has been awful at best all season!I hope they have a target in mind for Jan,or we will be giving out late Christmas presents for the rest of the season!it's simple chaps,instead of Santa Claus we need a Scrooge like defence that gives nothing away lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the don69

7:20pm Thu 26 Dec 13

smirg kcab says...

Oi Den! wrote:
A bit disappointing to hear Cooper more or less admit that public opinion decided his approach to today's game, He should trust his own judgment, not be swayed by the fans. No real surprise to hear McCormack had a stormer against our lightweight players. How we could do with a player like him now.
Oh den
Never went today because of the dire formations away but it sounds as tho the fans was treated to an attacking approach, don't forget we only got beat by the one goal again as we did against that relegation fodder Sheffield, I'm sure as fan goals makes football not parking a bus and hoping?
We all know the two in the middle are a shambles and may or may not be replaced in January
I'm also glad we rode are luck against Coventry and as I said a dire 4-6-0 today would have made the 1,000 loyals call for his head playing the hart way, so he has survived the crimbo period listening and talking to the fans.
As someone else put above the Byrne/Donaldson is a no contest. That's the only mistake I believe he done today.
Bradford beat at home today so we have a chance Sunday if we continue the attacking way, all the speculation on transfers leaving may have a bad impact tho.
3-2 away today not many teAms will beat the bees and not many will score 2 away goals
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: A bit disappointing to hear Cooper more or less admit that public opinion decided his approach to today's game, He should trust his own judgment, not be swayed by the fans. No real surprise to hear McCormack had a stormer against our lightweight players. How we could do with a player like him now.[/p][/quote]Oh den Never went today because of the dire formations away but it sounds as tho the fans was treated to an attacking approach, don't forget we only got beat by the one goal again as we did against that relegation fodder Sheffield, I'm sure as fan goals makes football not parking a bus and hoping? We all know the two in the middle are a shambles and may or may not be replaced in January I'm also glad we rode are luck against Coventry and as I said a dire 4-6-0 today would have made the 1,000 loyals call for his head playing the hart way, so he has survived the crimbo period listening and talking to the fans. As someone else put above the Byrne/Donaldson is a no contest. That's the only mistake I believe he done today. Bradford beat at home today so we have a chance Sunday if we continue the attacking way, all the speculation on transfers leaving may have a bad impact tho. 3-2 away today not many teAms will beat the bees and not many will score 2 away goals smirg kcab

7:23pm Thu 26 Dec 13

joey butler says...

Oi Den! wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
A bit disappointing to hear Cooper more or less admit that public opinion decided his approach to today's game, He should trust his own judgment, not be swayed by the fans. No real surprise to hear McCormack had a stormer against our lightweight players. How we could do with a player like him now.
Would not say he had a stormer Den, in fact far from it IMHO, he should have been sent off twice which is the other side of the coin with him isn't it/
61, I didn't take it as gospel but from the radio commentary and Dave Hockaday's analysis it sounded like McCormack had a great game.

I completely agree about his indiscipline. It used to infuriate me when he was with us. However, I'd still have a player like him in our midfield now, warts n all - although I gather he's playing at full back again now.

Chish, correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think you've seen Ranger play, have you? He produces some excellent defensive headers, he's strong, skilful and deceptively quick. I just have a feeling he would make a very good central defender - and he wouldn't have to be brilliant to be better than what we have now. I'm not suggesting he's in the same league as Mel Nurse or Shaun Taylor. That comparison is pointless IMO. How many of our central defenders have had the attributes of Nurse and/or Taylor?. I wasn't suggesting anything as radical as actually playing Ranger in that position, just that I think he could do the job. Any other posters have a view on that?

Whether we should have signed Ranger at all is another matter.
Den,

The answer to your question is no, we should not have signed Ranger, massive mistake by Power, Den. Sorry.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: A bit disappointing to hear Cooper more or less admit that public opinion decided his approach to today's game, He should trust his own judgment, not be swayed by the fans. No real surprise to hear McCormack had a stormer against our lightweight players. How we could do with a player like him now.[/p][/quote]Would not say he had a stormer Den, in fact far from it IMHO, he should have been sent off twice which is the other side of the coin with him isn't it/[/p][/quote]61, I didn't take it as gospel but from the radio commentary and Dave Hockaday's analysis it sounded like McCormack had a great game. I completely agree about his indiscipline. It used to infuriate me when he was with us. However, I'd still have a player like him in our midfield now, warts n all - although I gather he's playing at full back again now. Chish, correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think you've seen Ranger play, have you? He produces some excellent defensive headers, he's strong, skilful and deceptively quick. I just have a feeling he would make a very good central defender - and he wouldn't have to be brilliant to be better than what we have now. I'm not suggesting he's in the same league as Mel Nurse or Shaun Taylor. That comparison is pointless IMO. How many of our central defenders have had the attributes of Nurse and/or Taylor?. I wasn't suggesting anything as radical as actually playing Ranger in that position, just that I think he could do the job. Any other posters have a view on that? Whether we should have signed Ranger at all is another matter.[/p][/quote]Den, The answer to your question is no, we should not have signed Ranger, massive mistake by Power, Den. Sorry. joey butler

7:25pm Thu 26 Dec 13

The Jockster says...

What annoyed me with Coopers tactics today was that having got our noses in front surely that was the time to go 460? All credit for starting out offensively but knowing when to change things is the key.
Have to agree that Wes wasn't at his best and never moved for their goal from the free kick which was a diabolical decision anyway.
Wouldn't say Macormack was awesome- committed yes tenacious yes reckless certainly. Still more of a plus than a minus in any side though.
What annoyed me with Coopers tactics today was that having got our noses in front surely that was the time to go 460? All credit for starting out offensively but knowing when to change things is the key. Have to agree that Wes wasn't at his best and never moved for their goal from the free kick which was a diabolical decision anyway. Wouldn't say Macormack was awesome- committed yes tenacious yes reckless certainly. Still more of a plus than a minus in any side though. The Jockster

7:25pm Thu 26 Dec 13

mancrobin says...

Oi Den! wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
A bit disappointing to hear Cooper more or less admit that public opinion decided his approach to today's game, He should trust his own judgment, not be swayed by the fans. No real surprise to hear McCormack had a stormer against our lightweight players. How we could do with a player like him now.
Would not say he had a stormer Den, in fact far from it IMHO, he should have been sent off twice which is the other side of the coin with him isn't it/
61, I didn't take it as gospel but from the radio commentary and Dave Hockaday's analysis it sounded like McCormack had a great game.

I completely agree about his indiscipline. It used to infuriate me when he was with us. However, I'd still have a player like him in our midfield now, warts n all - although I gather he's playing at full back again now.

Chish, correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think you've seen Ranger play, have you? He produces some excellent defensive headers, he's strong, skilful and deceptively quick. I just have a feeling he would make a very good central defender - and he wouldn't have to be brilliant to be better than what we have now. I'm not suggesting he's in the same league as Mel Nurse or Shaun Taylor. That comparison is pointless IMO. How many of our central defenders have had the attributes of Nurse and/or Taylor?. I wasn't suggesting anything as radical as actually playing Ranger in that position, just that I think he could do the job. Any other posters have a view on that?

Whether we should have signed Ranger at all is another matter.
I'm with you on this one Den. I suspect he could do a great job in that position and might teach him a bit more about team discipline.

We've had a lot of great ch's over the years and a discussion on this cannot go by without name checks for Frank Burrows, Stan Harland and Colin Calderwood. Giants to rival the undoubted talents of Mel Nurse and Shaun Taylor. All had the combo of the 3 great ch talents, excellent leadership, ability to read the game (timing tackles and headers) and able to get up front to score goals. Ranger could certainly fit the bill in the latter 2 categories and, who knows, a spell there might put him in the frame for the first.

As for who I'd rate highest from the mega list, it's a bit of hideous choice but if pushed would probably have to say Colin Calferwood was the greatest Ch I've seen in a Town shirt.

Also, let's not right off Archibald-Henville making an impressive return?
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: A bit disappointing to hear Cooper more or less admit that public opinion decided his approach to today's game, He should trust his own judgment, not be swayed by the fans. No real surprise to hear McCormack had a stormer against our lightweight players. How we could do with a player like him now.[/p][/quote]Would not say he had a stormer Den, in fact far from it IMHO, he should have been sent off twice which is the other side of the coin with him isn't it/[/p][/quote]61, I didn't take it as gospel but from the radio commentary and Dave Hockaday's analysis it sounded like McCormack had a great game. I completely agree about his indiscipline. It used to infuriate me when he was with us. However, I'd still have a player like him in our midfield now, warts n all - although I gather he's playing at full back again now. Chish, correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think you've seen Ranger play, have you? He produces some excellent defensive headers, he's strong, skilful and deceptively quick. I just have a feeling he would make a very good central defender - and he wouldn't have to be brilliant to be better than what we have now. I'm not suggesting he's in the same league as Mel Nurse or Shaun Taylor. That comparison is pointless IMO. How many of our central defenders have had the attributes of Nurse and/or Taylor?. I wasn't suggesting anything as radical as actually playing Ranger in that position, just that I think he could do the job. Any other posters have a view on that? Whether we should have signed Ranger at all is another matter.[/p][/quote]I'm with you on this one Den. I suspect he could do a great job in that position and might teach him a bit more about team discipline. We've had a lot of great ch's over the years and a discussion on this cannot go by without name checks for Frank Burrows, Stan Harland and Colin Calderwood. Giants to rival the undoubted talents of Mel Nurse and Shaun Taylor. All had the combo of the 3 great ch talents, excellent leadership, ability to read the game (timing tackles and headers) and able to get up front to score goals. Ranger could certainly fit the bill in the latter 2 categories and, who knows, a spell there might put him in the frame for the first. As for who I'd rate highest from the mega list, it's a bit of hideous choice but if pushed would probably have to say Colin Calferwood was the greatest Ch I've seen in a Town shirt. Also, let's not right off Archibald-Henville making an impressive return? mancrobin

7:27pm Thu 26 Dec 13

smirg kcab says...

the don69 wrote:
Well chaps our defence is worse than Santa Claus at giving out presents!talk about charity at Christmas!we gifted the Bees 3 points,just basic schoolboy defending!seems they never learn?until Power can get a decent centre-half and a ball -winner in mid-field we got no chance of a promotion challenge!Coops must know our defending has been awful at best all season!I hope they have a target in mind for Jan,or we will be giving out late Christmas presents for the rest of the season!it's simple chaps,instead of Santa Claus we need a Scrooge like defence that gives nothing away lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Don your never happy, don't be greedy we played with a crash test dummy (ranger) today
[quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: Well chaps our defence is worse than Santa Claus at giving out presents!talk about charity at Christmas!we gifted the Bees 3 points,just basic schoolboy defending!seems they never learn?until Power can get a decent centre-half and a ball -winner in mid-field we got no chance of a promotion challenge!Coops must know our defending has been awful at best all season!I hope they have a target in mind for Jan,or we will be giving out late Christmas presents for the rest of the season!it's simple chaps,instead of Santa Claus we need a Scrooge like defence that gives nothing away lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Don your never happy, don't be greedy we played with a crash test dummy (ranger) today smirg kcab

7:44pm Thu 26 Dec 13

joey butler says...

Wizard,

You cannot have your cake and eat it.

Having called me a retard on here twice recently, you can hardly complain if I bite back.

I do regret biting back at you last night however, for which I am very sorry.
Wizard, You cannot have your cake and eat it. Having called me a retard on here twice recently, you can hardly complain if I bite back. I do regret biting back at you last night however, for which I am very sorry. joey butler

7:52pm Thu 26 Dec 13

Oi Den! says...

joey butler wrote:
Wizard,

You cannot have your cake and eat it.

Having called me a retard on here twice recently, you can hardly complain if I bite back.

I do regret biting back at you last night however, for which I am very sorry.
Good. Why not just draw a line there?

Joey, you don't have to say sorry to anyone for your comment on Ranger. It's a valid point of view, regardless of whether people agree - and I do tend to agree. But while he's with us his football has to be a valid topic for discussion too.
[quote][p][bold]joey butler[/bold] wrote: Wizard, You cannot have your cake and eat it. Having called me a retard on here twice recently, you can hardly complain if I bite back. I do regret biting back at you last night however, for which I am very sorry.[/p][/quote]Good. Why not just draw a line there? Joey, you don't have to say sorry to anyone for your comment on Ranger. It's a valid point of view, regardless of whether people agree - and I do tend to agree. But while he's with us his football has to be a valid topic for discussion too. Oi Den!

8:13pm Thu 26 Dec 13

the don69 says...

smirg kcab wrote:
the don69 wrote:
Well chaps our defence is worse than Santa Claus at giving out presents!talk about charity at Christmas!we gifted the Bees 3 points,just basic schoolboy defending!seems they never learn?until Power can get a decent centre-half and a ball -winner in mid-field we got no chance of a promotion challenge!Coops must know our defending has been awful at best all season!I hope they have a target in mind for Jan,or we will be giving out late Christmas presents for the rest of the season!it's simple chaps,instead of Santa Claus we need a Scrooge like defence that gives nothing away lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Don your never happy, don't be greedy we played with a crash test dummy (ranger) today
Yes I heard Ranger wrote his car off late last night!that boy is a car crash waiting to happen Grim!and I'm never happy when our defence just concedes goals for fun,like we have all season!!!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: Well chaps our defence is worse than Santa Claus at giving out presents!talk about charity at Christmas!we gifted the Bees 3 points,just basic schoolboy defending!seems they never learn?until Power can get a decent centre-half and a ball -winner in mid-field we got no chance of a promotion challenge!Coops must know our defending has been awful at best all season!I hope they have a target in mind for Jan,or we will be giving out late Christmas presents for the rest of the season!it's simple chaps,instead of Santa Claus we need a Scrooge like defence that gives nothing away lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Don your never happy, don't be greedy we played with a crash test dummy (ranger) today[/p][/quote]Yes I heard Ranger wrote his car off late last night!that boy is a car crash waiting to happen Grim!and I'm never happy when our defence just concedes goals for fun,like we have all season!!!!!!!!! the don69

8:33pm Thu 26 Dec 13

Psychedelic Syd says...

Too many poor performances today, not just Hall. Luongo had a mare and really only Pritch and Mason gave us hope. We were weak down both flanks defensively, Nathan looks half the player he was last season and Byrne was left exposed time and again. Ref was diabolical particularly first half hour. Ajose did nothing other than score via a lucky deflection to him. Storey should have come on earlier, it was daft to take off Ranger at the same time as any hope we had of salvaging a point disappeared with him. Brentford were nothing special we gifted them the points. How much longer do we have to endure Hall? He must feel so ashamed of his performances it isn't doing his confidence any good and you could see how p1ssed off Wes was getting with the weaknesses in front of him. Thank God for Ranger when we defend corners he's the best defender we've got. It was better than Sheffield last week but so annoying to see so many misplaced passes and players not giving their all. Sorry to sound so negative but very disappointed to lose a match that was there for the taking.
Too many poor performances today, not just Hall. Luongo had a mare and really only Pritch and Mason gave us hope. We were weak down both flanks defensively, Nathan looks half the player he was last season and Byrne was left exposed time and again. Ref was diabolical particularly first half hour. Ajose did nothing other than score via a lucky deflection to him. Storey should have come on earlier, it was daft to take off Ranger at the same time as any hope we had of salvaging a point disappeared with him. Brentford were nothing special we gifted them the points. How much longer do we have to endure Hall? He must feel so ashamed of his performances it isn't doing his confidence any good and you could see how p1ssed off Wes was getting with the weaknesses in front of him. Thank God for Ranger when we defend corners he's the best defender we've got. It was better than Sheffield last week but so annoying to see so many misplaced passes and players not giving their all. Sorry to sound so negative but very disappointed to lose a match that was there for the taking. Psychedelic Syd

8:35pm Thu 26 Dec 13

dreamofacleansheet2 says...

Here's a thought our best centre back, Troy is nearly back in full training. As I expected as season started expect him to start with Hall in January. That's one new player straight away. Pritchard is off to the championship, so any dip get him off and replace. I'd still like Bryne left back with Louis T and Yasir in centre midfield then four more in any formation you'd like ladies and chaps.

Cooper shouldn't decide his tactics from the fans but as with everyone much happier attacking, some you win, some you don't. Still miles ahead of where I expected pre season so all is not so depressed here.
Here's a thought our best centre back, Troy is nearly back in full training. As I expected as season started expect him to start with Hall in January. That's one new player straight away. Pritchard is off to the championship, so any dip get him off and replace. I'd still like Bryne left back with Louis T and Yasir in centre midfield then four more in any formation you'd like ladies and chaps. Cooper shouldn't decide his tactics from the fans but as with everyone much happier attacking, some you win, some you don't. Still miles ahead of where I expected pre season so all is not so depressed here. dreamofacleansheet2

8:40pm Thu 26 Dec 13

Cleuso says...

joey butler wrote:
Swindon Crier wrote:
Yet again bad defending, starting with the goalie, not nearly as good as everybody says,good shot stopper supposedly, rubbish in the air does not command the area, bit of a poser, sell him and get two new center halves, Hall got promise but needs a rest,Ward past it, midfield not strong enough when the going gets tough, they don't want to mix it , gotta win ugly sometimes, only Thompson and Kasim happy to leave their mark,Ranger great on his day but too much baggage, still that aside we were in the game up until their second goal, then overrun a bit, didn't hear any moaning myself but there was some reports of slagging of coops and the team,well if there was ****, springs to mind, we always knew would be up and down season and if I was told we would be where we are at the start of the season I would have jumped at it coyr
Agree Crier,

I would also sell Fods, but buy Ajose. Most of the money left would be owed to Palace for Fods.

New Centre Half needs to be a loanee until the end of the season, we cannot afford to buy one, but Power seems to have the right contacts.

Play offs still possible, but only subject to above moves!
Nope it's subject to winning more games
[quote][p][bold]joey butler[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Swindon Crier[/bold] wrote: Yet again bad defending, starting with the goalie, not nearly as good as everybody says,good shot stopper supposedly, rubbish in the air does not command the area, bit of a poser, sell him and get two new center halves, Hall got promise but needs a rest,Ward past it, midfield not strong enough when the going gets tough, they don't want to mix it , gotta win ugly sometimes, only Thompson and Kasim happy to leave their mark,Ranger great on his day but too much baggage, still that aside we were in the game up until their second goal, then overrun a bit, didn't hear any moaning myself but there was some reports of slagging of coops and the team,well if there was ****, springs to mind, we always knew would be up and down season and if I was told we would be where we are at the start of the season I would have jumped at it coyr[/p][/quote]Agree Crier, I would also sell Fods, but buy Ajose. Most of the money left would be owed to Palace for Fods. New Centre Half needs to be a loanee until the end of the season, we cannot afford to buy one, but Power seems to have the right contacts. Play offs still possible, but only subject to above moves![/p][/quote]Nope it's subject to winning more games Cleuso

8:49pm Thu 26 Dec 13

the wizard says...

joey butler wrote:
Wizard,

You cannot have your cake and eat it.

Having called me a retard on here twice recently, you can hardly complain if I bite back.

I do regret biting back at you last night however, for which I am very sorry.
I'm not going to enter into the he said/you said stuff you seem to enjoy but two facts,

one, I have NEVER called you a retard, let alone recently,

two, your simply pathetic apology goes no where near enough and as I stated I will pursue it.

If you think you can come here after several long years of continued harassment and call people names one day and apologize the next thinking it puts things straight then you are massively mistaken. The threat of hunting people down and causing even further mayhem is inexcusable. Time you were reigned in. Your insistence that I am posting under the names of others as you list is completely wrong and everybody here has explained that to you, many times. I do not accept your apology, as I don not think you are sincere, you will continue abusing myself and others .as you have previously.
[quote][p][bold]joey butler[/bold] wrote: Wizard, You cannot have your cake and eat it. Having called me a retard on here twice recently, you can hardly complain if I bite back. I do regret biting back at you last night however, for which I am very sorry.[/p][/quote]I'm not going to enter into the he said/you said stuff you seem to enjoy but two facts, one, I have NEVER called you a retard, let alone recently, two, your simply pathetic apology goes no where near enough and as I stated I will pursue it. If you think you can come here after several long years of continued harassment and call people names one day and apologize the next thinking it puts things straight then you are massively mistaken. The threat of hunting people down and causing even further mayhem is inexcusable. Time you were reigned in. Your insistence that I am posting under the names of others as you list is completely wrong and everybody here has explained that to you, many times. I do not accept your apology, as I don not think you are sincere, you will continue abusing myself and others .as you have previously. the wizard

8:56pm Thu 26 Dec 13

Cleuso says...

Play in patches was good today, but the more experienced side did what they needed to do better than our youthful exhuberence.

Not being too critical, Brentfords first was after the softest free kick that didn't even deserve that award..the second of softest free kicks just outside the box in the space of a few minutes as Wes had made a great save from the first. Until their first goal our pass and move had Brentford chasing shadows.

Unfortunately at times our passing was not good, giving away sloppy passes from good possession adding the extra dimension of giving the ball back to those experienced opponents. Luongo's failure to control a ball in midfield (or trying to hit a killer first time pass when a simple one with more control would have done the job) contributed indirectly to Brentfords second.

The third seemed from the other end seemed a bit of a shambles, but it had been coming. At the moment today sums up the season so far brilliant in one sense, but very lacking in experience to changing the patterns of play when being put under the cosh and pressurised by other sides...

Having said that it was good entertainment, although we lost, there was plenty to enjoy at time sin our play - notwithstanding the result of course....



Brentford probably deserved their win and certainly finished the game stronger once they had gone in front..The
Play in patches was good today, but the more experienced side did what they needed to do better than our youthful exhuberence. Not being too critical, Brentfords first was after the softest free kick that didn't even deserve that award..the second of softest free kicks just outside the box in the space of a few minutes as Wes had made a great save from the first. Until their first goal our pass and move had Brentford chasing shadows. Unfortunately at times our passing was not good, giving away sloppy passes from good possession adding the extra dimension of giving the ball back to those experienced opponents. Luongo's failure to control a ball in midfield (or trying to hit a killer first time pass when a simple one with more control would have done the job) contributed indirectly to Brentfords second. The third seemed from the other end seemed a bit of a shambles, but it had been coming. At the moment today sums up the season so far brilliant in one sense, but very lacking in experience to changing the patterns of play when being put under the cosh and pressurised by other sides... Having said that it was good entertainment, although we lost, there was plenty to enjoy at time sin our play - notwithstanding the result of course.... Brentford probably deserved their win and certainly finished the game stronger once they had gone in front..The Cleuso

10:02pm Thu 26 Dec 13

joey butler says...

the wizard wrote:
joey butler wrote:
Wizard,

You cannot have your cake and eat it.

Having called me a retard on here twice recently, you can hardly complain if I bite back.

I do regret biting back at you last night however, for which I am very sorry.
I'm not going to enter into the he said/you said stuff you seem to enjoy but two facts,

one, I have NEVER called you a retard, let alone recently,

two, your simply pathetic apology goes no where near enough and as I stated I will pursue it.

If you think you can come here after several long years of continued harassment and call people names one day and apologize the next thinking it puts things straight then you are massively mistaken. The threat of hunting people down and causing even further mayhem is inexcusable. Time you were reigned in. Your insistence that I am posting under the names of others as you list is completely wrong and everybody here has explained that to you, many times. I do not accept your apology, as I don not think you are sincere, you will continue abusing myself and others .as you have previously.
OK Wizard,

So you are not man enough to accept an apology, fair enough.

I have all of your comments saved for the last 4 years, including all your abusive comments about me and my late parents, so bring it on, you very sad little man!

Other posters might think you are the retard, not me!
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]joey butler[/bold] wrote: Wizard, You cannot have your cake and eat it. Having called me a retard on here twice recently, you can hardly complain if I bite back. I do regret biting back at you last night however, for which I am very sorry.[/p][/quote]I'm not going to enter into the he said/you said stuff you seem to enjoy but two facts, one, I have NEVER called you a retard, let alone recently, two, your simply pathetic apology goes no where near enough and as I stated I will pursue it. If you think you can come here after several long years of continued harassment and call people names one day and apologize the next thinking it puts things straight then you are massively mistaken. The threat of hunting people down and causing even further mayhem is inexcusable. Time you were reigned in. Your insistence that I am posting under the names of others as you list is completely wrong and everybody here has explained that to you, many times. I do not accept your apology, as I don not think you are sincere, you will continue abusing myself and others .as you have previously.[/p][/quote]OK Wizard, So you are not man enough to accept an apology, fair enough. I have all of your comments saved for the last 4 years, including all your abusive comments about me and my late parents, so bring it on, you very sad little man! Other posters might think you are the retard, not me! joey butler

10:28pm Thu 26 Dec 13

Chish and Fips says...

Oi Den! wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
A bit disappointing to hear Cooper more or less admit that public opinion decided his approach to today's game, He should trust his own judgment, not be swayed by the fans. No real surprise to hear McCormack had a stormer against our lightweight players. How we could do with a player like him now.
Would not say he had a stormer Den, in fact far from it IMHO, he should have been sent off twice which is the other side of the coin with him isn't it/
61, I didn't take it as gospel but from the radio commentary and Dave Hockaday's analysis it sounded like McCormack had a great game.

I completely agree about his indiscipline. It used to infuriate me when he was with us. However, I'd still have a player like him in our midfield now, warts n all - although I gather he's playing at full back again now.

Chish, correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think you've seen Ranger play, have you? He produces some excellent defensive headers, he's strong, skilful and deceptively quick. I just have a feeling he would make a very good central defender - and he wouldn't have to be brilliant to be better than what we have now. I'm not suggesting he's in the same league as Mel Nurse or Shaun Taylor. That comparison is pointless IMO. How many of our central defenders have had the attributes of Nurse and/or Taylor?. I wasn't suggesting anything as radical as actually playing Ranger in that position, just that I think he could do the job. Any other posters have a view on that?

Whether we should have signed Ranger at all is another matter.
Correct I haven't seen Nile play, but in my opinion you have a player here under sufference and to put him in a position of centre half would probably be the final straw.
my reference to Nurse and Taylor was because they were out and out defenders. in my opinion you can make attackers out of defenders but not very often if at all do you see the reverse.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: A bit disappointing to hear Cooper more or less admit that public opinion decided his approach to today's game, He should trust his own judgment, not be swayed by the fans. No real surprise to hear McCormack had a stormer against our lightweight players. How we could do with a player like him now.[/p][/quote]Would not say he had a stormer Den, in fact far from it IMHO, he should have been sent off twice which is the other side of the coin with him isn't it/[/p][/quote]61, I didn't take it as gospel but from the radio commentary and Dave Hockaday's analysis it sounded like McCormack had a great game. I completely agree about his indiscipline. It used to infuriate me when he was with us. However, I'd still have a player like him in our midfield now, warts n all - although I gather he's playing at full back again now. Chish, correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think you've seen Ranger play, have you? He produces some excellent defensive headers, he's strong, skilful and deceptively quick. I just have a feeling he would make a very good central defender - and he wouldn't have to be brilliant to be better than what we have now. I'm not suggesting he's in the same league as Mel Nurse or Shaun Taylor. That comparison is pointless IMO. How many of our central defenders have had the attributes of Nurse and/or Taylor?. I wasn't suggesting anything as radical as actually playing Ranger in that position, just that I think he could do the job. Any other posters have a view on that? Whether we should have signed Ranger at all is another matter.[/p][/quote]Correct I haven't seen Nile play, but in my opinion you have a player here under sufference and to put him in a position of centre half would probably be the final straw. my reference to Nurse and Taylor was because they were out and out defenders. in my opinion you can make attackers out of defenders but not very often if at all do you see the reverse. Chish and Fips

12:18am Fri 27 Dec 13

the wizard says...

joey butler wrote:
the wizard wrote:
joey butler wrote:
Wizard,

You cannot have your cake and eat it.

Having called me a retard on here twice recently, you can hardly complain if I bite back.

I do regret biting back at you last night however, for which I am very sorry.
I'm not going to enter into the he said/you said stuff you seem to enjoy but two facts,

one, I have NEVER called you a retard, let alone recently,

two, your simply pathetic apology goes no where near enough and as I stated I will pursue it.

If you think you can come here after several long years of continued harassment and call people names one day and apologize the next thinking it puts things straight then you are massively mistaken. The threat of hunting people down and causing even further mayhem is inexcusable. Time you were reigned in. Your insistence that I am posting under the names of others as you list is completely wrong and everybody here has explained that to you, many times. I do not accept your apology, as I don not think you are sincere, you will continue abusing myself and others .as you have previously.
OK Wizard,

So you are not man enough to accept an apology, fair enough.

I have all of your comments saved for the last 4 years, including all your abusive comments about me and my late parents, so bring it on, you very sad little man!

Other posters might think you are the retard, not me!
Stalking somebody for 4 years and then admitting it thanks for that, case proven.
[quote][p][bold]joey butler[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]joey butler[/bold] wrote: Wizard, You cannot have your cake and eat it. Having called me a retard on here twice recently, you can hardly complain if I bite back. I do regret biting back at you last night however, for which I am very sorry.[/p][/quote]I'm not going to enter into the he said/you said stuff you seem to enjoy but two facts, one, I have NEVER called you a retard, let alone recently, two, your simply pathetic apology goes no where near enough and as I stated I will pursue it. If you think you can come here after several long years of continued harassment and call people names one day and apologize the next thinking it puts things straight then you are massively mistaken. The threat of hunting people down and causing even further mayhem is inexcusable. Time you were reigned in. Your insistence that I am posting under the names of others as you list is completely wrong and everybody here has explained that to you, many times. I do not accept your apology, as I don not think you are sincere, you will continue abusing myself and others .as you have previously.[/p][/quote]OK Wizard, So you are not man enough to accept an apology, fair enough. I have all of your comments saved for the last 4 years, including all your abusive comments about me and my late parents, so bring it on, you very sad little man! Other posters might think you are the retard, not me![/p][/quote]Stalking somebody for 4 years and then admitting it thanks for that, case proven. the wizard

7:39am Fri 27 Dec 13

Oi Den! says...

Chish and Fips wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
A bit disappointing to hear Cooper more or less admit that public opinion decided his approach to today's game, He should trust his own judgment, not be swayed by the fans. No real surprise to hear McCormack had a stormer against our lightweight players. How we could do with a player like him now.
Would not say he had a stormer Den, in fact far from it IMHO, he should have been sent off twice which is the other side of the coin with him isn't it/
61, I didn't take it as gospel but from the radio commentary and Dave Hockaday's analysis it sounded like McCormack had a great game.

I completely agree about his indiscipline. It used to infuriate me when he was with us. However, I'd still have a player like him in our midfield now, warts n all - although I gather he's playing at full back again now.

Chish, correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think you've seen Ranger play, have you? He produces some excellent defensive headers, he's strong, skilful and deceptively quick. I just have a feeling he would make a very good central defender - and he wouldn't have to be brilliant to be better than what we have now. I'm not suggesting he's in the same league as Mel Nurse or Shaun Taylor. That comparison is pointless IMO. How many of our central defenders have had the attributes of Nurse and/or Taylor?. I wasn't suggesting anything as radical as actually playing Ranger in that position, just that I think he could do the job. Any other posters have a view on that?

Whether we should have signed Ranger at all is another matter.
Correct I haven't seen Nile play, but in my opinion you have a player here under sufference and to put him in a position of centre half would probably be the final straw.
my reference to Nurse and Taylor was because they were out and out defenders. in my opinion you can make attackers out of defenders but not very often if at all do you see the reverse.
As I said Chish, I was simply commenting on the player's football ability as I see it. On your general point, I disagree. I could name a few centre forwards who've moved back to centre half, usually later in their careers, but few who've made the reverse move.
[quote][p][bold]Chish and Fips[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: A bit disappointing to hear Cooper more or less admit that public opinion decided his approach to today's game, He should trust his own judgment, not be swayed by the fans. No real surprise to hear McCormack had a stormer against our lightweight players. How we could do with a player like him now.[/p][/quote]Would not say he had a stormer Den, in fact far from it IMHO, he should have been sent off twice which is the other side of the coin with him isn't it/[/p][/quote]61, I didn't take it as gospel but from the radio commentary and Dave Hockaday's analysis it sounded like McCormack had a great game. I completely agree about his indiscipline. It used to infuriate me when he was with us. However, I'd still have a player like him in our midfield now, warts n all - although I gather he's playing at full back again now. Chish, correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think you've seen Ranger play, have you? He produces some excellent defensive headers, he's strong, skilful and deceptively quick. I just have a feeling he would make a very good central defender - and he wouldn't have to be brilliant to be better than what we have now. I'm not suggesting he's in the same league as Mel Nurse or Shaun Taylor. That comparison is pointless IMO. How many of our central defenders have had the attributes of Nurse and/or Taylor?. I wasn't suggesting anything as radical as actually playing Ranger in that position, just that I think he could do the job. Any other posters have a view on that? Whether we should have signed Ranger at all is another matter.[/p][/quote]Correct I haven't seen Nile play, but in my opinion you have a player here under sufference and to put him in a position of centre half would probably be the final straw. my reference to Nurse and Taylor was because they were out and out defenders. in my opinion you can make attackers out of defenders but not very often if at all do you see the reverse.[/p][/quote]As I said Chish, I was simply commenting on the player's football ability as I see it. On your general point, I disagree. I could name a few centre forwards who've moved back to centre half, usually later in their careers, but few who've made the reverse move. Oi Den!

9:34am Fri 27 Dec 13

Oi Den! says...

I didn't word that very well. Although I don't doubt that there have been central defenders who've converted to strikers I can't think of any right now. I'm pretty sure Maurice Owen, Arthur Horsfield (for Charlton) and Andy Rowland all made the conversion to central defender.
I didn't word that very well. Although I don't doubt that there have been central defenders who've converted to strikers I can't think of any right now. I'm pretty sure Maurice Owen, Arthur Horsfield (for Charlton) and Andy Rowland all made the conversion to central defender. Oi Den!

10:23am Fri 27 Dec 13

Chish and Fips says...

Oi Den! wrote:
I didn't word that very well. Although I don't doubt that there have been central defenders who've converted to strikers I can't think of any right now. I'm pretty sure Maurice Owen, Arthur Horsfield (for Charlton) and Andy Rowland all made the conversion to central defender.
Must admit I don't remember Andy Rowland dropping back - Arthur Horsfield as well, so I can't comment, but my general point about you suggested Nile would make a CB stands, his attitude is all wrong for what ever reason.
I think we are stuck between a rock and a hard place with this guy, we need him but he doesn't need us - not really sure what he wants, and this is aside from the smokescreen of his impending court case.
The type of player who impressed as CB was the Doncaster guy, marshalled the defence, brick whotsit and played hard but fair. Dare I say Gordon Greer ... well I said it quietly .
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: I didn't word that very well. Although I don't doubt that there have been central defenders who've converted to strikers I can't think of any right now. I'm pretty sure Maurice Owen, Arthur Horsfield (for Charlton) and Andy Rowland all made the conversion to central defender.[/p][/quote]Must admit I don't remember Andy Rowland dropping back - Arthur Horsfield as well, so I can't comment, but my general point about you suggested Nile would make a CB stands, his attitude is all wrong for what ever reason. I think we are stuck between a rock and a hard place with this guy, we need him but he doesn't need us - not really sure what he wants, and this is aside from the smokescreen of his impending court case. The type of player who impressed as CB was the Doncaster guy, marshalled the defence, brick whotsit and played hard but fair. Dare I say Gordon Greer ... well I said it quietly . Chish and Fips

11:10am Fri 27 Dec 13

Oi Den! says...

Chish, you have taken my point completely the wrong way!

I am not suggesting Ranger is converted to centre back. I'm just saying I believe he has the natural ability to do it. You're preaching to the converted with your mentions of Nurse, Taylor and Greer but that's all irrelevant. I said I believe Ranger may be the best centre half in the club. It was just something I threw in for debate. A couple of other people have given their views on Ranger's defensive abilities. That's what it was about, not the other matters surrounding him.
Chish, you have taken my point completely the wrong way! I am not suggesting Ranger is converted to centre back. I'm just saying I believe he has the natural ability to do it. You're preaching to the converted with your mentions of Nurse, Taylor and Greer but that's all irrelevant. I said I believe Ranger may be the best centre half in the club. It was just something I threw in for debate. A couple of other people have given their views on Ranger's defensive abilities. That's what it was about, not the other matters surrounding him. Oi Den!

11:12am Fri 27 Dec 13

bradley red 1 says...

the wizard wrote:
dazza, I said right at the beginning of the season that Ward had had his day and got shafted for it. I wasn't happy to say it then nor like you and the rest am I happy that he has slipped a long way so quickly. Big shame in my book, but it seems there is little or no understanding between the back line and Fodders, and I'll say it again, I don't think Fodders has been as good since the PDC crew left. They elevated his game, got understandings sorted and made him a far better keeper than he is now. Diggers has not taken him forwards. Hopefully Coopower will sort things come January.
wizard,my point was yet more bad defending and individual errors has cost the team a point or points,and no the keeper has been as good as when di canios crew were here.
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: dazza, I said right at the beginning of the season that Ward had had his day and got shafted for it. I wasn't happy to say it then nor like you and the rest am I happy that he has slipped a long way so quickly. Big shame in my book, but it seems there is little or no understanding between the back line and Fodders, and I'll say it again, I don't think Fodders has been as good since the PDC crew left. They elevated his game, got understandings sorted and made him a far better keeper than he is now. Diggers has not taken him forwards. Hopefully Coopower will sort things come January.[/p][/quote]wizard,my point was yet more bad defending and individual errors has cost the team a point or points,and no the keeper has been as good as when di canios crew were here. bradley red 1

11:30am Fri 27 Dec 13

jayden says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Chish and Fips wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
A bit disappointing to hear Cooper more or less admit that public opinion decided his approach to today's game, He should trust his own judgment, not be swayed by the fans. No real surprise to hear McCormack had a stormer against our lightweight players. How we could do with a player like him now.
Would not say he had a stormer Den, in fact far from it IMHO, he should have been sent off twice which is the other side of the coin with him isn't it/
61, I didn't take it as gospel but from the radio commentary and Dave Hockaday's analysis it sounded like McCormack had a great game.

I completely agree about his indiscipline. It used to infuriate me when he was with us. However, I'd still have a player like him in our midfield now, warts n all - although I gather he's playing at full back again now.

Chish, correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think you've seen Ranger play, have you? He produces some excellent defensive headers, he's strong, skilful and deceptively quick. I just have a feeling he would make a very good central defender - and he wouldn't have to be brilliant to be better than what we have now. I'm not suggesting he's in the same league as Mel Nurse or Shaun Taylor. That comparison is pointless IMO. How many of our central defenders have had the attributes of Nurse and/or Taylor?. I wasn't suggesting anything as radical as actually playing Ranger in that position, just that I think he could do the job. Any other posters have a view on that?

Whether we should have signed Ranger at all is another matter.
Correct I haven't seen Nile play, but in my opinion you have a player here under sufference and to put him in a position of centre half would probably be the final straw.
my reference to Nurse and Taylor was because they were out and out defenders. in my opinion you can make attackers out of defenders but not very often if at all do you see the reverse.
As I said Chish, I was simply commenting on the player's football ability as I see it. On your general point, I disagree. I could name a few centre forwards who've moved back to centre half, usually later in their careers, but few who've made the reverse move.
I remember it Den it was the 84/85 season the first season under Lou .The fact was he had scored 9 the season before that as a centre forward then scored 5 as a centre back that season.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chish and Fips[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: A bit disappointing to hear Cooper more or less admit that public opinion decided his approach to today's game, He should trust his own judgment, not be swayed by the fans. No real surprise to hear McCormack had a stormer against our lightweight players. How we could do with a player like him now.[/p][/quote]Would not say he had a stormer Den, in fact far from it IMHO, he should have been sent off twice which is the other side of the coin with him isn't it/[/p][/quote]61, I didn't take it as gospel but from the radio commentary and Dave Hockaday's analysis it sounded like McCormack had a great game. I completely agree about his indiscipline. It used to infuriate me when he was with us. However, I'd still have a player like him in our midfield now, warts n all - although I gather he's playing at full back again now. Chish, correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think you've seen Ranger play, have you? He produces some excellent defensive headers, he's strong, skilful and deceptively quick. I just have a feeling he would make a very good central defender - and he wouldn't have to be brilliant to be better than what we have now. I'm not suggesting he's in the same league as Mel Nurse or Shaun Taylor. That comparison is pointless IMO. How many of our central defenders have had the attributes of Nurse and/or Taylor?. I wasn't suggesting anything as radical as actually playing Ranger in that position, just that I think he could do the job. Any other posters have a view on that? Whether we should have signed Ranger at all is another matter.[/p][/quote]Correct I haven't seen Nile play, but in my opinion you have a player here under sufference and to put him in a position of centre half would probably be the final straw. my reference to Nurse and Taylor was because they were out and out defenders. in my opinion you can make attackers out of defenders but not very often if at all do you see the reverse.[/p][/quote]As I said Chish, I was simply commenting on the player's football ability as I see it. On your general point, I disagree. I could name a few centre forwards who've moved back to centre half, usually later in their careers, but few who've made the reverse move.[/p][/quote]I remember it Den it was the 84/85 season the first season under Lou .The fact was he had scored 9 the season before that as a centre forward then scored 5 as a centre back that season. jayden

3:19pm Fri 27 Dec 13

Chish and Fips says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Chish, you have taken my point completely the wrong way!

I am not suggesting Ranger is converted to centre back. I'm just saying I believe he has the natural ability to do it. You're preaching to the converted with your mentions of Nurse, Taylor and Greer but that's all irrelevant. I said I believe Ranger may be the best centre half in the club. It was just something I threw in for debate. A couple of other people have given their views on Ranger's defensive abilities. That's what it was about, not the other matters surrounding him.
Sorry must be me then - but when you said " Here's an off the wall thought. The best centre half in the club may be Nile Ranger." . To me that implies you and others would like to see him at C.H... but at the moment yet again, some people would like to see at the training ground.
He may be able to defend but there are so many other qualities missing IMO.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Chish, you have taken my point completely the wrong way! I am not suggesting Ranger is converted to centre back. I'm just saying I believe he has the natural ability to do it. You're preaching to the converted with your mentions of Nurse, Taylor and Greer but that's all irrelevant. I said I believe Ranger may be the best centre half in the club. It was just something I threw in for debate. A couple of other people have given their views on Ranger's defensive abilities. That's what it was about, not the other matters surrounding him.[/p][/quote]Sorry must be me then - but when you said " Here's an off the wall thought. The best centre half in the club may be Nile Ranger." . To me that implies you and others would like to see him at C.H... but at the moment yet again, some people would like to see at the training ground. He may be able to defend but there are so many other qualities missing IMO. Chish and Fips

6:52am Sat 28 Dec 13

Chish and Fips says...

" I could name a few centre forwards who've moved back to centre half, usually later in their careers, but few who've made the reverse move."
Confusing use of the word 'few' there, when used in both contexts...ever thought of being a politician Den, seems whenever someone pulls you up its always the other person misreading your words. :o)
" I could name a few centre forwards who've moved back to centre half, usually later in their careers, but few who've made the reverse move." Confusing use of the word 'few' there, when used in both contexts...ever thought of being a politician Den, seems whenever someone pulls you up its always the other person misreading your words. :o) Chish and Fips

9:38am Sat 28 Dec 13

jayden says...

Chish and Fips wrote:
" I could name a few centre forwards who've moved back to centre half, usually later in their careers, but few who've made the reverse move."
Confusing use of the word 'few' there, when used in both contexts...ever thought of being a politician Den, seems whenever someone pulls you up its always the other person misreading your words. :o)
Up that early to post that ........mmmm you need to get out more Chish.
[quote][p][bold]Chish and Fips[/bold] wrote: " I could name a few centre forwards who've moved back to centre half, usually later in their careers, but few who've made the reverse move." Confusing use of the word 'few' there, when used in both contexts...ever thought of being a politician Den, seems whenever someone pulls you up its always the other person misreading your words. :o)[/p][/quote]Up that early to post that ........mmmm you need to get out more Chish. jayden

11:30am Sat 28 Dec 13

Chish and Fips says...

Early bird catches the worms eh ! ... :o)
Early bird catches the worms eh ! ... :o) Chish and Fips

9:40am Sun 29 Dec 13

Oi Den! says...

Chish and Fips wrote:
" I could name a few centre forwards who've moved back to centre half, usually later in their careers, but few who've made the reverse move."
Confusing use of the word 'few' there, when used in both contexts...ever thought of being a politician Den, seems whenever someone pulls you up its always the other person misreading your words. :o)
That's why I immediately put up another post saying I'd worded that one badly. I clarified it because I had no intention to confuse or mislead anyone.
[quote][p][bold]Chish and Fips[/bold] wrote: " I could name a few centre forwards who've moved back to centre half, usually later in their careers, but few who've made the reverse move." Confusing use of the word 'few' there, when used in both contexts...ever thought of being a politician Den, seems whenever someone pulls you up its always the other person misreading your words. :o)[/p][/quote]That's why I immediately put up another post saying I'd worded that one badly. I clarified it because I had no intention to confuse or mislead anyone. Oi Den!

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