Foderingham set to stay at Swindon

Swindon Advertiser: Swindon Town goalkeeper Wes Foderingham Swindon Town goalkeeper Wes Foderingham

WES Foderingham looks set to remain a Swindon Town player through the January transfer window after Bournemouth ended their interest in the goalkeeper.

The Cherries have been looking for a new full-time stopper for several months but completed their search with the permanent signing of free agent Lee Camp on Friday evening.

Camp has signed a two-and-a-half year contract at Dean Court after impressing during a loan spell at the Dorset club from West Brom and Bournemouth manager Eddie Howe, who has been monitoring Foderingham since the summer, now has no need for a new number one.

The Advertiser understands there has been no other interest of substance in the 22-year-old from across the Football League and Foderingham is now not expected to move on from Swindon this month.

A source close to the player told the Advertiser: “Following Lee Camp signing for Bournemouth, Eddie Howe has ended his interest in Wes.

“It looks like he’ll be staying with Swindon until at least the end of the season.

"January is not a time when managers are usually looking at goalkeepers.”

Foderingham, who joined Town on an initial loan deal from Crystal Palace in October 2011, signed on permanently with Swindon two years ago. He has since made 122 appearances for the Robins, becoming a cult hero at the County Ground in the process.

Bristol City and Brentford both showed an interest in signing Foderingham in the summer but the keeper instead chose to pen a new two-year-deal in Wiltshire.

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6:03am Mon 6 Jan 14

Kingseleven says...

Awesome news, hope no one else comes in for him.
Awesome news, hope no one else comes in for him. Kingseleven

6:46am Mon 6 Jan 14

I_Was_There_In_69 says...

Great news, and puts to bed the rumours circulating yesterday from Poxford posters yesterday.
Great news, and puts to bed the rumours circulating yesterday from Poxford posters yesterday. I_Was_There_In_69

7:09am Mon 6 Jan 14

stfc2012 says...

Until Jan is over nothing is certain. But good news!
Until Jan is over nothing is certain. But good news! stfc2012

7:39am Mon 6 Jan 14

Chish and Fips says...

Wonder if those who said it was a 'done deal' with Bornmuff will be back on here with a revised 'heard from a good source' ...hmm
Wonder if those who said it was a 'done deal' with Bornmuff will be back on here with a revised 'heard from a good source' ...hmm Chish and Fips

7:52am Mon 6 Jan 14

mancrobin says...

Chish and Fips wrote:
Wonder if those who said it was a 'done deal' with Bornmuff will be back on here with a revised 'heard from a good source' ...hmm
Exactly. The way people fall for the garbage that our mate Fredi the Dreamer puts on here is remarkable.

Still waiting for news for loan deal with Liverpool for Sterling ;)
[quote][p][bold]Chish and Fips[/bold] wrote: Wonder if those who said it was a 'done deal' with Bornmuff will be back on here with a revised 'heard from a good source' ...hmm[/p][/quote]Exactly. The way people fall for the garbage that our mate Fredi the Dreamer puts on here is remarkable. Still waiting for news for loan deal with Liverpool for Sterling ;) mancrobin

8:24am Mon 6 Jan 14

Oi Den! says...

Is this really such great news? Not surprisingly it seems that the "source close to the player" expects him to move on when the opportunity arises. I would prefer Foderingham to stay with us for several years but if he's going to leave I'm wondering if it would be better for the club if he went sooner rather than later. As it stands, we're not going anywhere this season, so the cash could be used to strengthen the squad now. It might give us an outside chance of promotion. If not, at least we would be building early for next season.
Is this really such great news? Not surprisingly it seems that the "source close to the player" expects him to move on when the opportunity arises. I would prefer Foderingham to stay with us for several years but if he's going to leave I'm wondering if it would be better for the club if he went sooner rather than later. As it stands, we're not going anywhere this season, so the cash could be used to strengthen the squad now. It might give us an outside chance of promotion. If not, at least we would be building early for next season. Oi Den!

8:41am Mon 6 Jan 14

Oi Den! says...

mancrobin wrote:
Chish and Fips wrote:
Wonder if those who said it was a 'done deal' with Bornmuff will be back on here with a revised 'heard from a good source' ...hmm
Exactly. The way people fall for the garbage that our mate Fredi the Dreamer puts on here is remarkable.

Still waiting for news for loan deal with Liverpool for Sterling ;)
manc, why the pop at fredi? Almost everything he has posted has turned out to be true, while the club itself was feeding us the garbage. I find it remarkable that so many people fell for that but are prepared to rubbish the accurate insight provided by fredi.

Did he actually say anything about Sterling? There was definitely a mention of loan players from Liverpool. We await news on that but I'd be happy to have a little wager with you that there'll be some truth in it. Pity we didn't have bets on all of McCrory's statements v all of fredi's!
[quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chish and Fips[/bold] wrote: Wonder if those who said it was a 'done deal' with Bornmuff will be back on here with a revised 'heard from a good source' ...hmm[/p][/quote]Exactly. The way people fall for the garbage that our mate Fredi the Dreamer puts on here is remarkable. Still waiting for news for loan deal with Liverpool for Sterling ;)[/p][/quote]manc, why the pop at fredi? Almost everything he has posted has turned out to be true, while the club itself was feeding us the garbage. I find it remarkable that so many people fell for that but are prepared to rubbish the accurate insight provided by fredi. Did he actually say anything about Sterling? There was definitely a mention of loan players from Liverpool. We await news on that but I'd be happy to have a little wager with you that there'll be some truth in it. Pity we didn't have bets on all of McCrory's statements v all of fredi's! Oi Den!

8:45am Mon 6 Jan 14

The Jockster says...

mancrobin wrote:
Chish and Fips wrote:
Wonder if those who said it was a 'done deal' with Bornmuff will be back on here with a revised 'heard from a good source' ...hmm
Exactly. The way people fall for the garbage that our mate Fredi the Dreamer puts on here is remarkable.

Still waiting for news for loan deal with Liverpool for Sterling ;)
As I was one of those who said it was a done deal I put my hand up but I wasn't wrong with the story was I? Nor was Fredi - until Bournemouth found Camp was available there was every chance Wes would have gone there and STFC would have let him go because of the financial position of the club. And, "the source" quoted (Fods agent?) only says "at least until the end of the season". As 2012 says there is still a long time left on the transfer window- who's to say that another club won't come in now that they know he's still available?
[quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chish and Fips[/bold] wrote: Wonder if those who said it was a 'done deal' with Bornmuff will be back on here with a revised 'heard from a good source' ...hmm[/p][/quote]Exactly. The way people fall for the garbage that our mate Fredi the Dreamer puts on here is remarkable. Still waiting for news for loan deal with Liverpool for Sterling ;)[/p][/quote]As I was one of those who said it was a done deal I put my hand up but I wasn't wrong with the story was I? Nor was Fredi - until Bournemouth found Camp was available there was every chance Wes would have gone there and STFC would have let him go because of the financial position of the club. And, "the source" quoted (Fods agent?) only says "at least until the end of the season". As 2012 says there is still a long time left on the transfer window- who's to say that another club won't come in now that they know he's still available? The Jockster

8:47am Mon 6 Jan 14

Chish and Fips says...

Oi Den! wrote:
mancrobin wrote:
Chish and Fips wrote:
Wonder if those who said it was a 'done deal' with Bornmuff will be back on here with a revised 'heard from a good source' ...hmm
Exactly. The way people fall for the garbage that our mate Fredi the Dreamer puts on here is remarkable.

Still waiting for news for loan deal with Liverpool for Sterling ;)
manc, why the pop at fredi? Almost everything he has posted has turned out to be true, while the club itself was feeding us the garbage. I find it remarkable that so many people fell for that but are prepared to rubbish the accurate insight provided by fredi.

Did he actually say anything about Sterling? There was definitely a mention of loan players from Liverpool. We await news on that but I'd be happy to have a little wager with you that there'll be some truth in it. Pity we didn't have bets on all of McCrory's statements v all of fredi's!
We are constantly reminded of the small parts of Fredi's pop at being Mystic Meg that were right, but a large part seems to have been swept under the carpet that were totally wrong.
On that basis a few posters on here have been far better with their heard it from the tea ladies brothers cousin stories. Just a thought.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chish and Fips[/bold] wrote: Wonder if those who said it was a 'done deal' with Bornmuff will be back on here with a revised 'heard from a good source' ...hmm[/p][/quote]Exactly. The way people fall for the garbage that our mate Fredi the Dreamer puts on here is remarkable. Still waiting for news for loan deal with Liverpool for Sterling ;)[/p][/quote]manc, why the pop at fredi? Almost everything he has posted has turned out to be true, while the club itself was feeding us the garbage. I find it remarkable that so many people fell for that but are prepared to rubbish the accurate insight provided by fredi. Did he actually say anything about Sterling? There was definitely a mention of loan players from Liverpool. We await news on that but I'd be happy to have a little wager with you that there'll be some truth in it. Pity we didn't have bets on all of McCrory's statements v all of fredi's![/p][/quote]We are constantly reminded of the small parts of Fredi's pop at being Mystic Meg that were right, but a large part seems to have been swept under the carpet that were totally wrong. On that basis a few posters on here have been far better with their heard it from the tea ladies brothers cousin stories. Just a thought. Chish and Fips

8:49am Mon 6 Jan 14

Chish and Fips says...

The Jockster wrote:
mancrobin wrote:
Chish and Fips wrote:
Wonder if those who said it was a 'done deal' with Bornmuff will be back on here with a revised 'heard from a good source' ...hmm
Exactly. The way people fall for the garbage that our mate Fredi the Dreamer puts on here is remarkable.

Still waiting for news for loan deal with Liverpool for Sterling ;)
As I was one of those who said it was a done deal I put my hand up but I wasn't wrong with the story was I? Nor was Fredi - until Bournemouth found Camp was available there was every chance Wes would have gone there and STFC would have let him go because of the financial position of the club. And, "the source" quoted (Fods agent?) only says "at least until the end of the season". As 2012 says there is still a long time left on the transfer window- who's to say that another club won't come in now that they know he's still available?
Jock , were you one of 'done deal ' posters - which it was aimed at ?
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chish and Fips[/bold] wrote: Wonder if those who said it was a 'done deal' with Bornmuff will be back on here with a revised 'heard from a good source' ...hmm[/p][/quote]Exactly. The way people fall for the garbage that our mate Fredi the Dreamer puts on here is remarkable. Still waiting for news for loan deal with Liverpool for Sterling ;)[/p][/quote]As I was one of those who said it was a done deal I put my hand up but I wasn't wrong with the story was I? Nor was Fredi - until Bournemouth found Camp was available there was every chance Wes would have gone there and STFC would have let him go because of the financial position of the club. And, "the source" quoted (Fods agent?) only says "at least until the end of the season". As 2012 says there is still a long time left on the transfer window- who's to say that another club won't come in now that they know he's still available?[/p][/quote]Jock , were you one of 'done deal ' posters - which it was aimed at ? Chish and Fips

8:56am Mon 6 Jan 14

Oi Den! says...

Chish, that's a scattergun statement, carefully avoiding the specifics. The "wrong" information provided by fredi has been miniscule compared to the number of misleading statements given by the former chairman and his cohorts.
Chish, that's a scattergun statement, carefully avoiding the specifics. The "wrong" information provided by fredi has been miniscule compared to the number of misleading statements given by the former chairman and his cohorts. Oi Den!

9:00am Mon 6 Jan 14

The Jockster says...

Chish and Fips wrote:
The Jockster wrote:
mancrobin wrote:
Chish and Fips wrote:
Wonder if those who said it was a 'done deal' with Bornmuff will be back on here with a revised 'heard from a good source' ...hmm
Exactly. The way people fall for the garbage that our mate Fredi the Dreamer puts on here is remarkable.

Still waiting for news for loan deal with Liverpool for Sterling ;)
As I was one of those who said it was a done deal I put my hand up but I wasn't wrong with the story was I? Nor was Fredi - until Bournemouth found Camp was available there was every chance Wes would have gone there and STFC would have let him go because of the financial position of the club. And, "the source" quoted (Fods agent?) only says "at least until the end of the season". As 2012 says there is still a long time left on the transfer window- who's to say that another club won't come in now that they know he's still available?
Jock , were you one of 'done deal ' posters - which it was aimed at ?
Chish - read my post again and you will answer your own question!
[quote][p][bold]Chish and Fips[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chish and Fips[/bold] wrote: Wonder if those who said it was a 'done deal' with Bornmuff will be back on here with a revised 'heard from a good source' ...hmm[/p][/quote]Exactly. The way people fall for the garbage that our mate Fredi the Dreamer puts on here is remarkable. Still waiting for news for loan deal with Liverpool for Sterling ;)[/p][/quote]As I was one of those who said it was a done deal I put my hand up but I wasn't wrong with the story was I? Nor was Fredi - until Bournemouth found Camp was available there was every chance Wes would have gone there and STFC would have let him go because of the financial position of the club. And, "the source" quoted (Fods agent?) only says "at least until the end of the season". As 2012 says there is still a long time left on the transfer window- who's to say that another club won't come in now that they know he's still available?[/p][/quote]Jock , were you one of 'done deal ' posters - which it was aimed at ?[/p][/quote]Chish - read my post again and you will answer your own question! The Jockster

9:06am Mon 6 Jan 14

Chish and Fips says...

The Jockster wrote:
Chish and Fips wrote:
The Jockster wrote:
mancrobin wrote:
Chish and Fips wrote:
Wonder if those who said it was a 'done deal' with Bornmuff will be back on here with a revised 'heard from a good source' ...hmm
Exactly. The way people fall for the garbage that our mate Fredi the Dreamer puts on here is remarkable.

Still waiting for news for loan deal with Liverpool for Sterling ;)
As I was one of those who said it was a done deal I put my hand up but I wasn't wrong with the story was I? Nor was Fredi - until Bournemouth found Camp was available there was every chance Wes would have gone there and STFC would have let him go because of the financial position of the club. And, "the source" quoted (Fods agent?) only says "at least until the end of the season". As 2012 says there is still a long time left on the transfer window- who's to say that another club won't come in now that they know he's still available?
Jock , were you one of 'done deal ' posters - which it was aimed at ?
Chish - read my post again and you will answer your own question!
Just a small point how in the hell can it be a 'done deal' then... it is not, and to twist words to suit Jock is a bit transparent to me.
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chish and Fips[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chish and Fips[/bold] wrote: Wonder if those who said it was a 'done deal' with Bornmuff will be back on here with a revised 'heard from a good source' ...hmm[/p][/quote]Exactly. The way people fall for the garbage that our mate Fredi the Dreamer puts on here is remarkable. Still waiting for news for loan deal with Liverpool for Sterling ;)[/p][/quote]As I was one of those who said it was a done deal I put my hand up but I wasn't wrong with the story was I? Nor was Fredi - until Bournemouth found Camp was available there was every chance Wes would have gone there and STFC would have let him go because of the financial position of the club. And, "the source" quoted (Fods agent?) only says "at least until the end of the season". As 2012 says there is still a long time left on the transfer window- who's to say that another club won't come in now that they know he's still available?[/p][/quote]Jock , were you one of 'done deal ' posters - which it was aimed at ?[/p][/quote]Chish - read my post again and you will answer your own question![/p][/quote]Just a small point how in the hell can it be a 'done deal' then... it is not, and to twist words to suit Jock is a bit transparent to me. Chish and Fips

9:17am Mon 6 Jan 14

Chish and Fips says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Chish, that's a scattergun statement, carefully avoiding the specifics. The "wrong" information provided by fredi has been miniscule compared to the number of misleading statements given by the former chairman and his cohorts.
I avoid the specifics purely down to the fact Fredi had reams and reams of it at one stage, the last one was better, and yet to see if anything does pan out.
To be be fair to him/her I don't think specifically said Wes was going to Bornmuff, but then neither did the tea ladies bothers cousin.

Misleading statements from Jed - To me there were no real statements of substance at the time, as I feel his exuberance of trying to keep the fans on his side overtook his business mind,
. Then we had the reverse syndrome of nothing, which caused further problems. All a bit of a mess agreed.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Chish, that's a scattergun statement, carefully avoiding the specifics. The "wrong" information provided by fredi has been miniscule compared to the number of misleading statements given by the former chairman and his cohorts.[/p][/quote]I avoid the specifics purely down to the fact Fredi had reams and reams of it at one stage, the last one was better, and yet to see if anything does pan out. To be be fair to him/her I don't think specifically said Wes was going to Bornmuff, but then neither did the tea ladies bothers cousin. Misleading statements from Jed - To me there were no real statements of substance at the time, as I feel his exuberance of trying to keep the fans on his side overtook his business mind, . Then we had the reverse syndrome of nothing, which caused further problems. All a bit of a mess agreed. Chish and Fips

9:23am Mon 6 Jan 14

The Jockster says...

Chish and Fips wrote:
The Jockster wrote:
Chish and Fips wrote:
The Jockster wrote:
mancrobin wrote:
Chish and Fips wrote:
Wonder if those who said it was a 'done deal' with Bornmuff will be back on here with a revised 'heard from a good source' ...hmm
Exactly. The way people fall for the garbage that our mate Fredi the Dreamer puts on here is remarkable.

Still waiting for news for loan deal with Liverpool for Sterling ;)
As I was one of those who said it was a done deal I put my hand up but I wasn't wrong with the story was I? Nor was Fredi - until Bournemouth found Camp was available there was every chance Wes would have gone there and STFC would have let him go because of the financial position of the club. And, "the source" quoted (Fods agent?) only says "at least until the end of the season". As 2012 says there is still a long time left on the transfer window- who's to say that another club won't come in now that they know he's still available?
Jock , were you one of 'done deal ' posters - which it was aimed at ?
Chish - read my post again and you will answer your own question!
Just a small point how in the hell can it be a 'done deal' then... it is not, and to twist words to suit Jock is a bit transparent to me.
Chish you place too much emphasis on the actual written words used - in my case" done deal" ok it didn't happen But!!! Up until they found Camp there was every chance it was gong to happen. The only thing that stopped it was they found what they thought was as good as Wes for free! And you can't blame them for that - you wouldn't buy a new car if someone was offering you've same for gratis would you!
[quote][p][bold]Chish and Fips[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chish and Fips[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chish and Fips[/bold] wrote: Wonder if those who said it was a 'done deal' with Bornmuff will be back on here with a revised 'heard from a good source' ...hmm[/p][/quote]Exactly. The way people fall for the garbage that our mate Fredi the Dreamer puts on here is remarkable. Still waiting for news for loan deal with Liverpool for Sterling ;)[/p][/quote]As I was one of those who said it was a done deal I put my hand up but I wasn't wrong with the story was I? Nor was Fredi - until Bournemouth found Camp was available there was every chance Wes would have gone there and STFC would have let him go because of the financial position of the club. And, "the source" quoted (Fods agent?) only says "at least until the end of the season". As 2012 says there is still a long time left on the transfer window- who's to say that another club won't come in now that they know he's still available?[/p][/quote]Jock , were you one of 'done deal ' posters - which it was aimed at ?[/p][/quote]Chish - read my post again and you will answer your own question![/p][/quote]Just a small point how in the hell can it be a 'done deal' then... it is not, and to twist words to suit Jock is a bit transparent to me.[/p][/quote]Chish you place too much emphasis on the actual written words used - in my case" done deal" ok it didn't happen But!!! Up until they found Camp there was every chance it was gong to happen. The only thing that stopped it was they found what they thought was as good as Wes for free! And you can't blame them for that - you wouldn't buy a new car if someone was offering you've same for gratis would you! The Jockster

9:29am Mon 6 Jan 14

the don69 says...

Fodds needs to get his head down and improve his game!stop making silly mistakes and play like he did under Paolo's team,since Diggers has been coaching him he's gone back!time to forget moving Fodds and play like we all know you can!as for Diggers as coach??????????
Fodds needs to get his head down and improve his game!stop making silly mistakes and play like he did under Paolo's team,since Diggers has been coaching him he's gone back!time to forget moving Fodds and play like we all know you can!as for Diggers as coach?????????? the don69

9:42am Mon 6 Jan 14

umpcah says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Is this really such great news? Not surprisingly it seems that the "source close to the player" expects him to move on when the opportunity arises. I would prefer Foderingham to stay with us for several years but if he's going to leave I'm wondering if it would be better for the club if he went sooner rather than later. As it stands, we're not going anywhere this season, so the cash could be used to strengthen the squad now. It might give us an outside chance of promotion. If not, at least we would be building early for next season.
" As it stands, we're not going anywhere this season " How nice to read a realistic comment occasionally ! I`m still looking forward to the game on Saturday ! COME ON YOU REDS !
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Is this really such great news? Not surprisingly it seems that the "source close to the player" expects him to move on when the opportunity arises. I would prefer Foderingham to stay with us for several years but if he's going to leave I'm wondering if it would be better for the club if he went sooner rather than later. As it stands, we're not going anywhere this season, so the cash could be used to strengthen the squad now. It might give us an outside chance of promotion. If not, at least we would be building early for next season.[/p][/quote]" As it stands, we're not going anywhere this season " How nice to read a realistic comment occasionally ! I`m still looking forward to the game on Saturday ! COME ON YOU REDS ! umpcah

9:43am Mon 6 Jan 14

The Jockster says...

Don I'm in full agreement that Wes is not on his game like he was under Doardo and I'm certainly not convinced about Digger's ability as a coach. As we've said before some of his confidence may be shaken by having the Chuckle Bros in front of him but he seems less confident than he was.
Don I'm in full agreement that Wes is not on his game like he was under Doardo and I'm certainly not convinced about Digger's ability as a coach. As we've said before some of his confidence may be shaken by having the Chuckle Bros in front of him but he seems less confident than he was. The Jockster

10:03am Mon 6 Jan 14

port de soller says...

Yes good News if Wes stays, Lee Power has been spot on will not waste money the club aint got.Has said club will manage however a decent investor would help.
Now he has to clear the dead wood and remaining hig earners,seasir said than done.
Over the next few weeks I think we will see several changes some we may not like,but this guy wants STFC to try and be self supporting. in these days again aint an easy task.
A lot has been said about Bournemouth and the Russian investment, well we had the money, a Manager who did what he could for the Town but both him and the Board messed up Big Time.
I will be pleased if we can finish in a decent spot in the table and live to fight on
GOOD LUCK STFC
Yes good News if Wes stays, Lee Power has been spot on will not waste money the club aint got.Has said club will manage however a decent investor would help. Now he has to clear the dead wood and remaining hig earners,seasir said than done. Over the next few weeks I think we will see several changes some we may not like,but this guy wants STFC to try and be self supporting. in these days again aint an easy task. A lot has been said about Bournemouth and the Russian investment, well we had the money, a Manager who did what he could for the Town but both him and the Board messed up Big Time. I will be pleased if we can finish in a decent spot in the table and live to fight on GOOD LUCK STFC port de soller

10:25am Mon 6 Jan 14

chrystovski says...

He's not been the same keeper since PDC and his coaching staff left. Still a very good shot stopper and still a very good goalkeeper at this level but you have to question his command of his area and communication with his defence.

Being hesitant for half a second can be the difference between a save and a goal at the very top level and Wes may be found out playing at a high Championship level. He'd be better of staying at Swindon for the remainder of his contract as his next move could make or break his career.
He's not been the same keeper since PDC and his coaching staff left. Still a very good shot stopper and still a very good goalkeeper at this level but you have to question his command of his area and communication with his defence. Being hesitant for half a second can be the difference between a save and a goal at the very top level and Wes may be found out playing at a high Championship level. He'd be better of staying at Swindon for the remainder of his contract as his next move could make or break his career. chrystovski

10:27am Mon 6 Jan 14

Cleuso says...

The Jockster wrote:
mancrobin wrote:
Chish and Fips wrote:
Wonder if those who said it was a 'done deal' with Bornmuff will be back on here with a revised 'heard from a good source' ...hmm
Exactly. The way people fall for the garbage that our mate Fredi the Dreamer puts on here is remarkable.

Still waiting for news for loan deal with Liverpool for Sterling ;)
As I was one of those who said it was a done deal I put my hand up but I wasn't wrong with the story was I? Nor was Fredi - until Bournemouth found Camp was available there was every chance Wes would have gone there and STFC would have let him go because of the financial position of the club. And, "the source" quoted (Fods agent?) only says "at least until the end of the season". As 2012 says there is still a long time left on the transfer window- who's to say that another club won't come in now that they know he's still available?
Jockster thanks for holding your hand up Bournemouth there are a few more that should accept the honourable way of doing things when they get it wrong rather than resort to abuse when you challenge their thinking.

As I have said before what irritates are those who slag off STFC for no reason than they heard something of a chinese whisper, read something from fans of other clubs on a wind up or something picked up off the football rumours site which is again pure nonsense 99% of the time.

Just for point of fact..Bournemouth didn't suddenly "find" Camp he has now played just over 10 games for them and first joined at the end of October pre dating significantly any Wes to Bournemouth "action" here. With his contract with West Brom not ending until 31/12 he coudn't sign until that expired, except maybe a pre contract agreement without West Brom's agreement, or potential pay a transfer fee...made perfect sense for them to keep him on loan until he became a free agent and invest any potential fee payment in his contract.

I wait for the next rumour I'm thinking if Lee Power was seen going into Lidl's, don't get excited, it doesn't mean we are just about to sign a striker from Germany although no doubt some might read that into it.
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chish and Fips[/bold] wrote: Wonder if those who said it was a 'done deal' with Bornmuff will be back on here with a revised 'heard from a good source' ...hmm[/p][/quote]Exactly. The way people fall for the garbage that our mate Fredi the Dreamer puts on here is remarkable. Still waiting for news for loan deal with Liverpool for Sterling ;)[/p][/quote]As I was one of those who said it was a done deal I put my hand up but I wasn't wrong with the story was I? Nor was Fredi - until Bournemouth found Camp was available there was every chance Wes would have gone there and STFC would have let him go because of the financial position of the club. And, "the source" quoted (Fods agent?) only says "at least until the end of the season". As 2012 says there is still a long time left on the transfer window- who's to say that another club won't come in now that they know he's still available?[/p][/quote]Jockster thanks for holding your hand up Bournemouth there are a few more that should accept the honourable way of doing things when they get it wrong rather than resort to abuse when you challenge their thinking. As I have said before what irritates are those who slag off STFC for no reason than they heard something of a chinese whisper, read something from fans of other clubs on a wind up or something picked up off the football rumours site which is again pure nonsense 99% of the time. Just for point of fact..Bournemouth didn't suddenly "find" Camp he has now played just over 10 games for them and first joined at the end of October pre dating significantly any Wes to Bournemouth "action" here. With his contract with West Brom not ending until 31/12 he coudn't sign until that expired, except maybe a pre contract agreement without West Brom's agreement, or potential pay a transfer fee...made perfect sense for them to keep him on loan until he became a free agent and invest any potential fee payment in his contract. I wait for the next rumour I'm thinking if Lee Power was seen going into Lidl's, don't get excited, it doesn't mean we are just about to sign a striker from Germany although no doubt some might read that into it. Cleuso

10:29am Mon 6 Jan 14

chrystovski says...

Forgot to mention his lack of form compared to his first year at STFC is probably the reason for the lack of interest/concrete offers from Higher division teams. I imagine his stock has probably fallen in the past 12 months.
Forgot to mention his lack of form compared to his first year at STFC is probably the reason for the lack of interest/concrete offers from Higher division teams. I imagine his stock has probably fallen in the past 12 months. chrystovski

10:50am Mon 6 Jan 14

umpcah says...

chrystovski wrote:
Forgot to mention his lack of form compared to his first year at STFC is probably the reason for the lack of interest/concrete offers from Higher division teams. I imagine his stock has probably fallen in the past 12 months.
Recent transfer out speculation has been mainly centred on Fods but scouts also pick up on progress being made by "unproved " youngsters. My bet is that Louis Thompson`s stock is steadily growing in value and rightly so. If a promotion push is on the cards next season, Louis, Connor , Jayden and Ben could play a vital part of it. I say let`s clear out the deadwood asap and leave it at that.
[quote][p][bold]chrystovski[/bold] wrote: Forgot to mention his lack of form compared to his first year at STFC is probably the reason for the lack of interest/concrete offers from Higher division teams. I imagine his stock has probably fallen in the past 12 months.[/p][/quote]Recent transfer out speculation has been mainly centred on Fods but scouts also pick up on progress being made by "unproved " youngsters. My bet is that Louis Thompson`s stock is steadily growing in value and rightly so. If a promotion push is on the cards next season, Louis, Connor , Jayden and Ben could play a vital part of it. I say let`s clear out the deadwood asap and leave it at that. umpcah

10:57am Mon 6 Jan 14

hertz says...

Aye , Aye , Aye , Aye Hicks is better than Yashin , Rogers is better than Eusebio and Posh are in for a thrashing . .

RIP Eusebio da Silva Ferrera
Aye , Aye , Aye , Aye Hicks is better than Yashin , Rogers is better than Eusebio and Posh are in for a thrashing . . RIP Eusebio da Silva Ferrera hertz

11:15am Mon 6 Jan 14

old town robin says...

Agree with the others that the stats (30 league goals conceded) suggest that with the clean sheets having dried up, But it's little wonder Wesley's had a bit of a dip in form with what he has in front of him. The last two seasons he had a big old lump called Flint that dominated the aerial threats, What does he have now?, his full backs are often caught out of position leaving him exposed, If anyone has lost form it's Nat Thompson, he's a shadow of how he was playing last season. Jay has got better since recovering from his knee injury but still always liable for the odd mistake or two. Ward is way past his best and Hall is still learning his trade to cope at this level. We have no mid-fielders that have shown themselves to be good defenders, so it is little wonder that with a defence like we have any goal keeper would struggle to maintain their confidence.

Personally I'm happy that he's likely to still be with us for the second half of the season, with some strengthening at the back I foresee some big improvement with our defending with far less soft goals being conceded, Set a target of letting in no more than 15 to 20 and we could be thereabouts at the business end of the season. How we fund new arrivals is another question, we might see the departure of Luango who reportedly has been looked at by Championship clubs, but can't think of any other assets that would generate any funds. As Cooper said with the return of Archibald and Reis it will be like two new signings, biggest priority now will be to get someone to replace Ranger, who by the way was probably our best man for clearing corners.
Agree with the others that the stats (30 league goals conceded) suggest that with the clean sheets having dried up, But it's little wonder Wesley's had a bit of a dip in form with what he has in front of him. The last two seasons he had a big old lump called Flint that dominated the aerial threats, What does he have now?, his full backs are often caught out of position leaving him exposed, If anyone has lost form it's Nat Thompson, he's a shadow of how he was playing last season. Jay has got better since recovering from his knee injury but still always liable for the odd mistake or two. Ward is way past his best and Hall is still learning his trade to cope at this level. We have no mid-fielders that have shown themselves to be good defenders, so it is little wonder that with a defence like we have any goal keeper would struggle to maintain their confidence. Personally I'm happy that he's likely to still be with us for the second half of the season, with some strengthening at the back I foresee some big improvement with our defending with far less soft goals being conceded, Set a target of letting in no more than 15 to 20 and we could be thereabouts at the business end of the season. How we fund new arrivals is another question, we might see the departure of Luango who reportedly has been looked at by Championship clubs, but can't think of any other assets that would generate any funds. As Cooper said with the return of Archibald and Reis it will be like two new signings, biggest priority now will be to get someone to replace Ranger, who by the way was probably our best man for clearing corners. old town robin

11:22am Mon 6 Jan 14

Swindon1984 says...

mancrobin wrote:
Chish and Fips wrote: Wonder if those who said it was a 'done deal' with Bornmuff will be back on here with a revised 'heard from a good source' ...hmm
Exactly. The way people fall for the garbage that our mate Fredi the Dreamer puts on here is remarkable. Still waiting for news for loan deal with Liverpool for Sterling ;)
Bingo - the rumours and anonymous bashing of various people within the club by a certain individual who shall remain nameless have bored me from the first utterance. People really should admit they know nothing more than the club tells them rather than pretend they're in the know to gain attention for themselves.
[quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chish and Fips[/bold] wrote: Wonder if those who said it was a 'done deal' with Bornmuff will be back on here with a revised 'heard from a good source' ...hmm[/p][/quote]Exactly. The way people fall for the garbage that our mate Fredi the Dreamer puts on here is remarkable. Still waiting for news for loan deal with Liverpool for Sterling ;)[/p][/quote]Bingo - the rumours and anonymous bashing of various people within the club by a certain individual who shall remain nameless have bored me from the first utterance. People really should admit they know nothing more than the club tells them rather than pretend they're in the know to gain attention for themselves. Swindon1984

11:40am Mon 6 Jan 14

MITTED says...

1. The quote seems very obviously from Wes' agent.

2. It confirms that some kind of negotiation was going on with bormuff.

3. I wouldn't get over-confident with Wes staying because the message is clear, Bormuff is gone but he is still available.

I wish there was no transfer window mid-season - just like european competition and world cups, a squad is named beforehand and you have to work within it. There could be exceptions, ie emergency loans to cover loss of goalkeeper but that would stop all the shinnanigans.
1. The quote seems very obviously from Wes' agent. 2. It confirms that some kind of negotiation was going on with bormuff. 3. I wouldn't get over-confident with Wes staying because the message is clear, Bormuff is gone but he is still available. I wish there was no transfer window mid-season - just like european competition and world cups, a squad is named beforehand and you have to work within it. There could be exceptions, ie emergency loans to cover loss of goalkeeper but that would stop all the shinnanigans. MITTED

12:05pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Oi Den! says...

Swindon1984 wrote:
mancrobin wrote:
Chish and Fips wrote: Wonder if those who said it was a 'done deal' with Bornmuff will be back on here with a revised 'heard from a good source' ...hmm
Exactly. The way people fall for the garbage that our mate Fredi the Dreamer puts on here is remarkable. Still waiting for news for loan deal with Liverpool for Sterling ;)
Bingo - the rumours and anonymous bashing of various people within the club by a certain individual who shall remain nameless have bored me from the first utterance. People really should admit they know nothing more than the club tells them rather than pretend they're in the know to gain attention for themselves.
It's your prerogative to be bored, '84, and it's the prerogative of others to be interested in what goes on behind the scenes at STFC. Some people at the club (most of them thankfully no longer there) set themselves up to be shot at by continually putting out grossly misleading statements. The reality is often uncomfortable but many of us would rather be told it from the start than have to put up with the McCrory policy of grandiose promises and pretence that all is rosy, only for the truth to emerge later. I don't think fredi's posts determined anyone's opinion; they merely confirmed it.

Power, in contrast, seems to have made a good start in being open with the fans.
[quote][p][bold]Swindon1984[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chish and Fips[/bold] wrote: Wonder if those who said it was a 'done deal' with Bornmuff will be back on here with a revised 'heard from a good source' ...hmm[/p][/quote]Exactly. The way people fall for the garbage that our mate Fredi the Dreamer puts on here is remarkable. Still waiting for news for loan deal with Liverpool for Sterling ;)[/p][/quote]Bingo - the rumours and anonymous bashing of various people within the club by a certain individual who shall remain nameless have bored me from the first utterance. People really should admit they know nothing more than the club tells them rather than pretend they're in the know to gain attention for themselves.[/p][/quote]It's your prerogative to be bored, '84, and it's the prerogative of others to be interested in what goes on behind the scenes at STFC. Some people at the club (most of them thankfully no longer there) set themselves up to be shot at by continually putting out grossly misleading statements. The reality is often uncomfortable but many of us would rather be told it from the start than have to put up with the McCrory policy of grandiose promises and pretence that all is rosy, only for the truth to emerge later. I don't think fredi's posts determined anyone's opinion; they merely confirmed it. Power, in contrast, seems to have made a good start in being open with the fans. Oi Den!

12:19pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Swindonian63 says...

hertz wrote:
Aye , Aye , Aye , Aye Hicks is better than Yashin , Rogers is better than Eusebio and Posh are in for a thrashing . .

RIP Eusebio da Silva Ferrera
I remember that chant well.

Eusebio was a truly great player, one of the very few who really deserves that descriptor. I still remember his fantastic performance in the 1966 World Cup. RIP.

As for Posh being in for a thrashing, well I'm not so sure...1-0 would do me :-)
[quote][p][bold]hertz[/bold] wrote: Aye , Aye , Aye , Aye Hicks is better than Yashin , Rogers is better than Eusebio and Posh are in for a thrashing . . RIP Eusebio da Silva Ferrera[/p][/quote]I remember that chant well. Eusebio was a truly great player, one of the very few who really deserves that descriptor. I still remember his fantastic performance in the 1966 World Cup. RIP. As for Posh being in for a thrashing, well I'm not so sure...1-0 would do me :-) Swindonian63

12:22pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Swindon1984 says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Swindon1984 wrote:
mancrobin wrote:
Chish and Fips wrote: Wonder if those who said it was a 'done deal' with Bornmuff will be back on here with a revised 'heard from a good source' ...hmm
Exactly. The way people fall for the garbage that our mate Fredi the Dreamer puts on here is remarkable. Still waiting for news for loan deal with Liverpool for Sterling ;)
Bingo - the rumours and anonymous bashing of various people within the club by a certain individual who shall remain nameless have bored me from the first utterance. People really should admit they know nothing more than the club tells them rather than pretend they're in the know to gain attention for themselves.
It's your prerogative to be bored, '84, and it's the prerogative of others to be interested in what goes on behind the scenes at STFC. Some people at the club (most of them thankfully no longer there) set themselves up to be shot at by continually putting out grossly misleading statements. The reality is often uncomfortable but many of us would rather be told it from the start than have to put up with the McCrory policy of grandiose promises and pretence that all is rosy, only for the truth to emerge later. I don't think fredi's posts determined anyone's opinion; they merely confirmed it. Power, in contrast, seems to have made a good start in being open with the fans.
"I don't think fredi's posts determined anyone's opinion; they merely confirmed it."

Fair enough, it's your opinion. It's my opinion however that what that particular individual said could not have just "confirmed" what other people already thought, unless those people already had access to the same information - is that fair to say? The one you're speaking of was talking about things that could not possibly be verified, and information that would not have been made available unless to someone close to the club. There was never any indication as to who the person was or how he was getting the information he was swearing blind was accurate - as I couldn't verify the source of the information, I disregarded it. I don't think this is being unreasonable.

Make no mistake, I'm not one who's claimed that "that all is rosy" but I'm also not going to take opinion presented as fact by a faceless entity - love or loathe anyone connected with the club, when they say something you know they've said it. The same can't be said of a "concerned fan" (something I never believe that character to be) making anonymous statements on the net.

Basically we could hold a vote on what we think's going to happen over any issue STFC related and it would be opinion. Approximately 100% of respondents should be answering "don't know," because none of us really know. My question for him was always - what are you basing this information on? Saying "I just know, I can't say how I know, or say who I am, or what my agenda really is" just doesn't cut it for me.

Taking a scattergun approach any average supporter could make twenty predictions of what will happen over the course of the season - if one or two of them comes good, does that mean they're in the know?

If someone really knows something the rest of us don't, they should be able to say how they know. If they can't, in my humble opinion, they're not worth listening to, any more than the countless rumour sites are.

Contrary to what you've said, I am "interested in what goes on behind the scenes at STFC." It's just that what goes on behind the scenes, by definition, is not often made public. There're a lot of blanks - some posters on here have been happy to fill in the blanks themselves, or have them filled in by some anonymous chap who tells all but quantifies not one iota of the claims he makes. That to me is not a reliable source of information, it's gossip.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Swindon1984[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chish and Fips[/bold] wrote: Wonder if those who said it was a 'done deal' with Bornmuff will be back on here with a revised 'heard from a good source' ...hmm[/p][/quote]Exactly. The way people fall for the garbage that our mate Fredi the Dreamer puts on here is remarkable. Still waiting for news for loan deal with Liverpool for Sterling ;)[/p][/quote]Bingo - the rumours and anonymous bashing of various people within the club by a certain individual who shall remain nameless have bored me from the first utterance. People really should admit they know nothing more than the club tells them rather than pretend they're in the know to gain attention for themselves.[/p][/quote]It's your prerogative to be bored, '84, and it's the prerogative of others to be interested in what goes on behind the scenes at STFC. Some people at the club (most of them thankfully no longer there) set themselves up to be shot at by continually putting out grossly misleading statements. The reality is often uncomfortable but many of us would rather be told it from the start than have to put up with the McCrory policy of grandiose promises and pretence that all is rosy, only for the truth to emerge later. I don't think fredi's posts determined anyone's opinion; they merely confirmed it. Power, in contrast, seems to have made a good start in being open with the fans.[/p][/quote]"I don't think fredi's posts determined anyone's opinion; they merely confirmed it." Fair enough, it's your opinion. It's my opinion however that what that particular individual said could not have just "confirmed" what other people already thought, unless those people already had access to the same information - is that fair to say? The one you're speaking of was talking about things that could not possibly be verified, and information that would not have been made available unless to someone close to the club. There was never any indication as to who the person was or how he was getting the information he was swearing blind was accurate - as I couldn't verify the source of the information, I disregarded it. I don't think this is being unreasonable. Make no mistake, I'm not one who's claimed that "that all is rosy" but I'm also not going to take opinion presented as fact by a faceless entity - love or loathe anyone connected with the club, when they say something you know they've said it. The same can't be said of a "concerned fan" (something I never believe that character to be) making anonymous statements on the net. Basically we could hold a vote on what we think's going to happen over any issue STFC related and it would be opinion. Approximately 100% of respondents should be answering "don't know," because none of us really know. My question for him was always - what are you basing this information on? Saying "I just know, I can't say how I know, or say who I am, or what my agenda really is" just doesn't cut it for me. Taking a scattergun approach any average supporter could make twenty predictions of what will happen over the course of the season - if one or two of them comes good, does that mean they're in the know? If someone really knows something the rest of us don't, they should be able to say how they know. If they can't, in my humble opinion, they're not worth listening to, any more than the countless rumour sites are. Contrary to what you've said, I am "interested in what goes on behind the scenes at STFC." It's just that what goes on behind the scenes, by definition, is not often made public. There're a lot of blanks - some posters on here have been happy to fill in the blanks themselves, or have them filled in by some anonymous chap who tells all but quantifies not one iota of the claims he makes. That to me is not a reliable source of information, it's gossip. Swindon1984

12:38pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Cleuso says...

MITTED wrote:
1. The quote seems very obviously from Wes' agent.

2. It confirms that some kind of negotiation was going on with bormuff.

3. I wouldn't get over-confident with Wes staying because the message is clear, Bormuff is gone but he is still available.

I wish there was no transfer window mid-season - just like european competition and world cups, a squad is named beforehand and you have to work within it. There could be exceptions, ie emergency loans to cover loss of goalkeeper but that would stop all the shinnanigans.
Mitted I agree about the transfer window, but with Bosman and everything, whichever way it happens there is no sense in everyone getting their wotsits in a twist and deriding the club about things that might not happen.

Everyone knows players move, everyone understands the part agents play in the process, seeds sown so it becomes a storm as soon as they hit the forums and the media...it seems the bigger storm it creates the more likely it will happen and then gets reported as "a done deal".

As to the "reported" quote sources close to 99% of players would be saying exactly this " sources close to the player (stick in any players name in the country) expects him to move on when the opportunity arises. " thats obvious that is the situation from Oxford to Real Madrid i.e. bottom to top...

Nothing is newsworthy in trying to analyse or read anything into any quote like that.
[quote][p][bold]MITTED[/bold] wrote: 1. The quote seems very obviously from Wes' agent. 2. It confirms that some kind of negotiation was going on with bormuff. 3. I wouldn't get over-confident with Wes staying because the message is clear, Bormuff is gone but he is still available. I wish there was no transfer window mid-season - just like european competition and world cups, a squad is named beforehand and you have to work within it. There could be exceptions, ie emergency loans to cover loss of goalkeeper but that would stop all the shinnanigans.[/p][/quote]Mitted I agree about the transfer window, but with Bosman and everything, whichever way it happens there is no sense in everyone getting their wotsits in a twist and deriding the club about things that might not happen. Everyone knows players move, everyone understands the part agents play in the process, seeds sown so it becomes a storm as soon as they hit the forums and the media...it seems the bigger storm it creates the more likely it will happen and then gets reported as "a done deal". As to the "reported" quote sources close to 99% of players would be saying exactly this " sources close to the player (stick in any players name in the country) expects him to move on when the opportunity arises. " thats obvious that is the situation from Oxford to Real Madrid i.e. bottom to top... Nothing is newsworthy in trying to analyse or read anything into any quote like that. Cleuso

12:48pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Oi Den! says...

'84, I don't know fredi any better than you but what I do know is that he gave us many pieces of information, including the names of individuals who would eventually acquire the club from McCrory, that turned out to be 100% accurate. You cannot guess things like that and I could never find them boring. Given the accuracy of many things he said, I think it's perfectly reasonable to assume that he knew what he was talking about.

But the crux of the matter is that the owner(s) created a climate of suspicion in the first place by being economical with the truth. If they hadn't done that, much of the information from fredi would have fallen on stony ground and been met with much more hostility than it was.

Perhaps he will be the first to publish the results of the audit that were going to be released over a month ago!
'84, I don't know fredi any better than you but what I do know is that he gave us many pieces of information, including the names of individuals who would eventually acquire the club from McCrory, that turned out to be 100% accurate. You cannot guess things like that and I could never find them boring. Given the accuracy of many things he said, I think it's perfectly reasonable to assume that he knew what he was talking about. But the crux of the matter is that the owner(s) created a climate of suspicion in the first place by being economical with the truth. If they hadn't done that, much of the information from fredi would have fallen on stony ground and been met with much more hostility than it was. Perhaps he will be the first to publish the results of the audit that were going to be released over a month ago! Oi Den!

1:02pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Wilesy says...

Wasn't there an article a while back about Howe being spotted at the County Ground looking at Wes?

Don't buy that Wes is not the player he was under PDC. The tactics are the main issue, with the defence inviting pressure then laying it back to Wes to either rebuild or to lump upfield.

Last year Flint and Ward just booted the ball upfield cutting out the danger at source, so Wes hardly involved.

As a result Wes has probably 60 touches a game rather than 6, plus has to deal with mistakes from the defence so bound to concede a goal or two more than before.

For me the only slightly dodgy Wes period was under KMac where he made a few wrong decisions coming out to clear and picked up a few bookings. I would say in 122 games he has made less than 10 errors?

In contrast at the other end where Ranger has held the ball up better than Williams and Collins.
Wasn't there an article a while back about Howe being spotted at the County Ground looking at Wes? Don't buy that Wes is not the player he was under PDC. The tactics are the main issue, with the defence inviting pressure then laying it back to Wes to either rebuild or to lump upfield. Last year Flint and Ward just booted the ball upfield cutting out the danger at source, so Wes hardly involved. As a result Wes has probably 60 touches a game rather than 6, plus has to deal with mistakes from the defence so bound to concede a goal or two more than before. For me the only slightly dodgy Wes period was under KMac where he made a few wrong decisions coming out to clear and picked up a few bookings. I would say in 122 games he has made less than 10 errors? In contrast at the other end where Ranger has held the ball up better than Williams and Collins. Wilesy

1:05pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Chish and Fips says...

What a refreshing and encouraging thread of posts on here today. Each put over their views without resulting to name calling or any other childish way of trying to demean the thoughts of others.
What a refreshing and encouraging thread of posts on here today. Each put over their views without resulting to name calling or any other childish way of trying to demean the thoughts of others. Chish and Fips

1:05pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Wilesy says...

Surely it doesn't really matter who said what - what matters now is what will happen in the future.
Surely it doesn't really matter who said what - what matters now is what will happen in the future. Wilesy

2:34pm Mon 6 Jan 14

andy5364 says...

Swindon1984 wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Swindon1984 wrote:
mancrobin wrote:
Chish and Fips wrote: Wonder if those who said it was a 'done deal' with Bornmuff will be back on here with a revised 'heard from a good source' ...hmm
Exactly. The way people fall for the garbage that our mate Fredi the Dreamer puts on here is remarkable. Still waiting for news for loan deal with Liverpool for Sterling ;)
Bingo - the rumours and anonymous bashing of various people within the club by a certain individual who shall remain nameless have bored me from the first utterance. People really should admit they know nothing more than the club tells them rather than pretend they're in the know to gain attention for themselves.
It's your prerogative to be bored, '84, and it's the prerogative of others to be interested in what goes on behind the scenes at STFC. Some people at the club (most of them thankfully no longer there) set themselves up to be shot at by continually putting out grossly misleading statements. The reality is often uncomfortable but many of us would rather be told it from the start than have to put up with the McCrory policy of grandiose promises and pretence that all is rosy, only for the truth to emerge later. I don't think fredi's posts determined anyone's opinion; they merely confirmed it. Power, in contrast, seems to have made a good start in being open with the fans.
"I don't think fredi's posts determined anyone's opinion; they merely confirmed it."

Fair enough, it's your opinion. It's my opinion however that what that particular individual said could not have just "confirmed" what other people already thought, unless those people already had access to the same information - is that fair to say? The one you're speaking of was talking about things that could not possibly be verified, and information that would not have been made available unless to someone close to the club. There was never any indication as to who the person was or how he was getting the information he was swearing blind was accurate - as I couldn't verify the source of the information, I disregarded it. I don't think this is being unreasonable.

Make no mistake, I'm not one who's claimed that "that all is rosy" but I'm also not going to take opinion presented as fact by a faceless entity - love or loathe anyone connected with the club, when they say something you know they've said it. The same can't be said of a "concerned fan" (something I never believe that character to be) making anonymous statements on the net.

Basically we could hold a vote on what we think's going to happen over any issue STFC related and it would be opinion. Approximately 100% of respondents should be answering "don't know," because none of us really know. My question for him was always - what are you basing this information on? Saying "I just know, I can't say how I know, or say who I am, or what my agenda really is" just doesn't cut it for me.

Taking a scattergun approach any average supporter could make twenty predictions of what will happen over the course of the season - if one or two of them comes good, does that mean they're in the know?

If someone really knows something the rest of us don't, they should be able to say how they know. If they can't, in my humble opinion, they're not worth listening to, any more than the countless rumour sites are.

Contrary to what you've said, I am "interested in what goes on behind the scenes at STFC." It's just that what goes on behind the scenes, by definition, is not often made public. There're a lot of blanks - some posters on here have been happy to fill in the blanks themselves, or have them filled in by some anonymous chap who tells all but quantifies not one iota of the claims he makes. That to me is not a reliable source of information, it's gossip.
Well said and nicely put . It was clear from early on this fredi had his own agenda . I was just surprised how many fell for it . Im enjoying this season with our young team and just hope we escape relatively unscaved in this transfer window . Coyr
[quote][p][bold]Swindon1984[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Swindon1984[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chish and Fips[/bold] wrote: Wonder if those who said it was a 'done deal' with Bornmuff will be back on here with a revised 'heard from a good source' ...hmm[/p][/quote]Exactly. The way people fall for the garbage that our mate Fredi the Dreamer puts on here is remarkable. Still waiting for news for loan deal with Liverpool for Sterling ;)[/p][/quote]Bingo - the rumours and anonymous bashing of various people within the club by a certain individual who shall remain nameless have bored me from the first utterance. People really should admit they know nothing more than the club tells them rather than pretend they're in the know to gain attention for themselves.[/p][/quote]It's your prerogative to be bored, '84, and it's the prerogative of others to be interested in what goes on behind the scenes at STFC. Some people at the club (most of them thankfully no longer there) set themselves up to be shot at by continually putting out grossly misleading statements. The reality is often uncomfortable but many of us would rather be told it from the start than have to put up with the McCrory policy of grandiose promises and pretence that all is rosy, only for the truth to emerge later. I don't think fredi's posts determined anyone's opinion; they merely confirmed it. Power, in contrast, seems to have made a good start in being open with the fans.[/p][/quote]"I don't think fredi's posts determined anyone's opinion; they merely confirmed it." Fair enough, it's your opinion. It's my opinion however that what that particular individual said could not have just "confirmed" what other people already thought, unless those people already had access to the same information - is that fair to say? The one you're speaking of was talking about things that could not possibly be verified, and information that would not have been made available unless to someone close to the club. There was never any indication as to who the person was or how he was getting the information he was swearing blind was accurate - as I couldn't verify the source of the information, I disregarded it. I don't think this is being unreasonable. Make no mistake, I'm not one who's claimed that "that all is rosy" but I'm also not going to take opinion presented as fact by a faceless entity - love or loathe anyone connected with the club, when they say something you know they've said it. The same can't be said of a "concerned fan" (something I never believe that character to be) making anonymous statements on the net. Basically we could hold a vote on what we think's going to happen over any issue STFC related and it would be opinion. Approximately 100% of respondents should be answering "don't know," because none of us really know. My question for him was always - what are you basing this information on? Saying "I just know, I can't say how I know, or say who I am, or what my agenda really is" just doesn't cut it for me. Taking a scattergun approach any average supporter could make twenty predictions of what will happen over the course of the season - if one or two of them comes good, does that mean they're in the know? If someone really knows something the rest of us don't, they should be able to say how they know. If they can't, in my humble opinion, they're not worth listening to, any more than the countless rumour sites are. Contrary to what you've said, I am "interested in what goes on behind the scenes at STFC." It's just that what goes on behind the scenes, by definition, is not often made public. There're a lot of blanks - some posters on here have been happy to fill in the blanks themselves, or have them filled in by some anonymous chap who tells all but quantifies not one iota of the claims he makes. That to me is not a reliable source of information, it's gossip.[/p][/quote]Well said and nicely put . It was clear from early on this fredi had his own agenda . I was just surprised how many fell for it . Im enjoying this season with our young team and just hope we escape relatively unscaved in this transfer window . Coyr andy5364

3:07pm Mon 6 Jan 14

lifelong red says...

Good to read fods is staying with us, at least for the time being anyway.However there is another pressing issue the club need to address,i refer to the number of players the club are paying wages to - but are hardly kicking a ball in anger ,Navarro being a prime example . there are several others to .Given that the club are trying to get on a sounder financial footing , this must be a huge strain on the clubs resources ,and an issue I am sure the club is well aware of . However it needs to get sorted sooner than later.
Good to read fods is staying with us, at least for the time being anyway.However there is another pressing issue the club need to address,i refer to the number of players the club are paying wages to - but are hardly kicking a ball in anger ,Navarro being a prime example . there are several others to .Given that the club are trying to get on a sounder financial footing , this must be a huge strain on the clubs resources ,and an issue I am sure the club is well aware of . However it needs to get sorted sooner than later. lifelong red

3:15pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Another view says...

Chish and Fips says...
What a refreshing and encouraging thread of posts on here today. Each put over their views without resulting to name calling or any other childish way of trying to demean the thoughts of others.

- Oh No We Haven't!!! :-)
Chish and Fips says... What a refreshing and encouraging thread of posts on here today. Each put over their views without resulting to name calling or any other childish way of trying to demean the thoughts of others. - Oh No We Haven't!!! :-) Another view

3:28pm Mon 6 Jan 14

stfc2012 says...

Fredi knew a lot. And people that know things can't always reveal sources - or they are not told anything again. Your choice to believe or not and their right to say as they please. Each to their own,
Fredi knew a lot. And people that know things can't always reveal sources - or they are not told anything again. Your choice to believe or not and their right to say as they please. Each to their own, stfc2012

3:30pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Lazaat says...

Swindonian63 wrote:
hertz wrote: Aye , Aye , Aye , Aye Hicks is better than Yashin , Rogers is better than Eusebio and Posh are in for a thrashing . . RIP Eusebio da Silva Ferrera
I remember that chant well. Eusebio was a truly great player, one of the very few who really deserves that descriptor. I still remember his fantastic performance in the 1966 World Cup. RIP. As for Posh being in for a thrashing, well I'm not so sure...1-0 would do me :-)
I remember that chant as well...brings back good memories from my boyhood days at the County Ground. And another chant from the same era was the song based on the 'Sweet Molley Molone" tune...it started off with.."If i had the eyes of an Eagle"; how many others of you remember that? That was in the days of the Football Pink and the Clive King match report.
[quote][p][bold]Swindonian63[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hertz[/bold] wrote: Aye , Aye , Aye , Aye Hicks is better than Yashin , Rogers is better than Eusebio and Posh are in for a thrashing . . RIP Eusebio da Silva Ferrera[/p][/quote]I remember that chant well. Eusebio was a truly great player, one of the very few who really deserves that descriptor. I still remember his fantastic performance in the 1966 World Cup. RIP. As for Posh being in for a thrashing, well I'm not so sure...1-0 would do me :-)[/p][/quote]I remember that chant as well...brings back good memories from my boyhood days at the County Ground. And another chant from the same era was the song based on the 'Sweet Molley Molone" tune...it started off with.."If i had the eyes of an Eagle"; how many others of you remember that? That was in the days of the Football Pink and the Clive King match report. Lazaat

4:01pm Mon 6 Jan 14

NORTH STAND says...

Wow - you can see why people still buy replacement windows....

Yet to see anything Fredi said not come true, clearly the world moves on and plans change but if anyone thinks this news is anything but disastrous for the club they are, by choice or otherwise, really not smelling the coffee....

Wes is still for sale in the same (desparate) way that every single member of the squad is for sale...... the new years day postponement was a huge dent in cashflow expectations and Wes's almost total loss of form and therefore suitors may well be the straw that breaks the camel's back.... we are potentially one cold snap away from administration (and that's a thirty pointer this time) The simple fact is we have unloaded just about every individual we can but nobody wants any of our remaining players.... we are contemplating a second half of the season with a strikeforce of Storey and Waldon (that's not even conference level) and still the same old fools on here remember Bert's babes, dream of the playoffs and wonder who is coming in next.... You couldn't make it up....
Wow - you can see why people still buy replacement windows.... Yet to see anything Fredi said not come true, clearly the world moves on and plans change but if anyone thinks this news is anything but disastrous for the club they are, by choice or otherwise, really not smelling the coffee.... Wes is still for sale in the same (desparate) way that every single member of the squad is for sale...... the new years day postponement was a huge dent in cashflow expectations and Wes's almost total loss of form and therefore suitors may well be the straw that breaks the camel's back.... we are potentially one cold snap away from administration (and that's a thirty pointer this time) The simple fact is we have unloaded just about every individual we can but nobody wants any of our remaining players.... we are contemplating a second half of the season with a strikeforce of Storey and Waldon (that's not even conference level) and still the same old fools on here remember Bert's babes, dream of the playoffs and wonder who is coming in next.... You couldn't make it up.... NORTH STAND

4:16pm Mon 6 Jan 14

The Jockster says...

Good post NS - add in the potential loss of the Tottenham loanees and we are up that well known creek without the proverbial paddle for sure.
Good post NS - add in the potential loss of the Tottenham loanees and we are up that well known creek without the proverbial paddle for sure. The Jockster

5:12pm Mon 6 Jan 14

swwindon61uk says...

As for this "done deal" with Wes, i am in the camp that thinks it could have been on until Camo came along,don't forget Bournemouth fans themselves were saying they thought Camp would cost to much.

I have seen Steve Fletcher myself at the CG and have been told he has been there several times, of course it might be Wes he was looking at!!!!
Myself i find Fredi's posts interesting,probably been more accurate then the many posters with "sources"!!!
As for this "done deal" with Wes, i am in the camp that thinks it could have been on until Camo came along,don't forget Bournemouth fans themselves were saying they thought Camp would cost to much. I have seen Steve Fletcher myself at the CG and have been told he has been there several times, of course it might be Wes he was looking at!!!! Myself i find Fredi's posts interesting,probably been more accurate then the many posters with "sources"!!! swwindon61uk

5:23pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Wilesy says...

The Jockster wrote:
Good post NS - add in the potential loss of the Tottenham loanees and we are up that well known creek without the proverbial paddle for sure.
Good post by NS?! Really?

Wes total loss of form - ridiculous

Second half of season with just Storey and Waldon - ? we are bidding money for Thomas and have N'Guessan on books

One cold snap away from administration - ? Power says he will fund any shortfall then we're sustainable from next season

Unloaded all we can - was always a 2 year job to weed out the high earners, can't blame Jed or Power for Troy, Navarro and Williams

We have Luongo Kasim Nathans Wes Storey all worth money but any player at any club in England is available at the right price....

Yes Spurs lads could be sold or loaned to higher league, as could any loan players who do well at any club, look at Bamford at MK now Derby. But at least this season we have had decent loans by and large look at what we've had in the recent past Nouble? Boateng? Tehoue? Montano?

Let's see where we are a) at end of Jan and b) at end of loan period before before sounding the death knell on the season.
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: Good post NS - add in the potential loss of the Tottenham loanees and we are up that well known creek without the proverbial paddle for sure.[/p][/quote]Good post by NS?! Really? Wes total loss of form - ridiculous Second half of season with just Storey and Waldon - ? we are bidding money for Thomas and have N'Guessan on books One cold snap away from administration - ? Power says he will fund any shortfall then we're sustainable from next season Unloaded all we can - was always a 2 year job to weed out the high earners, can't blame Jed or Power for Troy, Navarro and Williams We have Luongo Kasim Nathans Wes Storey all worth money but any player at any club in England is available at the right price.... Yes Spurs lads could be sold or loaned to higher league, as could any loan players who do well at any club, look at Bamford at MK now Derby. But at least this season we have had decent loans by and large look at what we've had in the recent past Nouble? Boateng? Tehoue? Montano? Let's see where we are a) at end of Jan and b) at end of loan period before before sounding the death knell on the season. Wilesy

5:23pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Oi Den! says...

Well, I have to admit that I'm one of those who fell for fredi's interesting and true information. There's been a lot of talk about his "agenda". Does anyone know what this agenda is/was? I know McCrory said it was "personal". Yes. Jed said that, therefore it must be true.

NS, I think your post is a tad on the dramatic side but I also believe you've touched on what I was getting at in my post about Foderingham. I don't see how we'd be any better off selling him at the end of the season than selling him now. If he stays and we can't afford to make any significant signings, we'll probably limp along to the end of the season and finish low to mid table. If he goes, we might get the chance to add some strength and knowhow to the squad. I suppose it could be said that the sale of Luongo might do that, although I imagine Spurs would do rather well out of any deal on that front.

We are now a selling club. We don't have the resources to be able to swat away potential buyers in the way that Bournemouth have done to us with Thomas. I hate to say it but unless we get very lucky with kids, cashing in on our better players is the only way we are going to progress.
Well, I have to admit that I'm one of those who fell for fredi's interesting and true information. There's been a lot of talk about his "agenda". Does anyone know what this agenda is/was? I know McCrory said it was "personal". Yes. Jed said that, therefore it must be true. NS, I think your post is a tad on the dramatic side but I also believe you've touched on what I was getting at in my post about Foderingham. I don't see how we'd be any better off selling him at the end of the season than selling him now. If he stays and we can't afford to make any significant signings, we'll probably limp along to the end of the season and finish low to mid table. If he goes, we might get the chance to add some strength and knowhow to the squad. I suppose it could be said that the sale of Luongo might do that, although I imagine Spurs would do rather well out of any deal on that front. We are now a selling club. We don't have the resources to be able to swat away potential buyers in the way that Bournemouth have done to us with Thomas. I hate to say it but unless we get very lucky with kids, cashing in on our better players is the only way we are going to progress. Oi Den!

5:39pm Mon 6 Jan 14

alchafreds says...

NORTH STAND wrote:
Wow - you can see why people still buy replacement windows....

Yet to see anything Fredi said not come true, clearly the world moves on and plans change but if anyone thinks this news is anything but disastrous for the club they are, by choice or otherwise, really not smelling the coffee....

Wes is still for sale in the same (desparate) way that every single member of the squad is for sale...... the new years day postponement was a huge dent in cashflow expectations and Wes's almost total loss of form and therefore suitors may well be the straw that breaks the camel's back.... we are potentially one cold snap away from administration (and that's a thirty pointer this time) The simple fact is we have unloaded just about every individual we can but nobody wants any of our remaining players.... we are contemplating a second half of the season with a strikeforce of Storey and Waldon (that's not even conference level) and still the same old fools on here remember Bert's babes, dream of the playoffs and wonder who is coming in next.... You couldn't make it up....
speak for yourself
[quote][p][bold]NORTH STAND[/bold] wrote: Wow - you can see why people still buy replacement windows.... Yet to see anything Fredi said not come true, clearly the world moves on and plans change but if anyone thinks this news is anything but disastrous for the club they are, by choice or otherwise, really not smelling the coffee.... Wes is still for sale in the same (desparate) way that every single member of the squad is for sale...... the new years day postponement was a huge dent in cashflow expectations and Wes's almost total loss of form and therefore suitors may well be the straw that breaks the camel's back.... we are potentially one cold snap away from administration (and that's a thirty pointer this time) The simple fact is we have unloaded just about every individual we can but nobody wants any of our remaining players.... we are contemplating a second half of the season with a strikeforce of Storey and Waldon (that's not even conference level) and still the same old fools on here remember Bert's babes, dream of the playoffs and wonder who is coming in next.... You couldn't make it up....[/p][/quote]speak for yourself alchafreds

5:45pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Swindonian63 says...

NORTH STAND wrote:
Wow - you can see why people still buy replacement windows....

Yet to see anything Fredi said not come true, clearly the world moves on and plans change but if anyone thinks this news is anything but disastrous for the club they are, by choice or otherwise, really not smelling the coffee....

Wes is still for sale in the same (desparate) way that every single member of the squad is for sale...... the new years day postponement was a huge dent in cashflow expectations and Wes's almost total loss of form and therefore suitors may well be the straw that breaks the camel's back.... we are potentially one cold snap away from administration (and that's a thirty pointer this time) The simple fact is we have unloaded just about every individual we can but nobody wants any of our remaining players.... we are contemplating a second half of the season with a strikeforce of Storey and Waldon (that's not even conference level) and still the same old fools on here remember Bert's babes, dream of the playoffs and wonder who is coming in next.... You couldn't make it up....
I remember 'Bert's Babes'....does that make me an old fool?

I await your response with interest.
[quote][p][bold]NORTH STAND[/bold] wrote: Wow - you can see why people still buy replacement windows.... Yet to see anything Fredi said not come true, clearly the world moves on and plans change but if anyone thinks this news is anything but disastrous for the club they are, by choice or otherwise, really not smelling the coffee.... Wes is still for sale in the same (desparate) way that every single member of the squad is for sale...... the new years day postponement was a huge dent in cashflow expectations and Wes's almost total loss of form and therefore suitors may well be the straw that breaks the camel's back.... we are potentially one cold snap away from administration (and that's a thirty pointer this time) The simple fact is we have unloaded just about every individual we can but nobody wants any of our remaining players.... we are contemplating a second half of the season with a strikeforce of Storey and Waldon (that's not even conference level) and still the same old fools on here remember Bert's babes, dream of the playoffs and wonder who is coming in next.... You couldn't make it up....[/p][/quote]I remember 'Bert's Babes'....does that make me an old fool? I await your response with interest. Swindonian63

5:56pm Mon 6 Jan 14

melnursesear. says...

I know it,s a bit off topic..but living where I do..a couple of mates were on the BAFC Coach that got nearly to Bornmuff saturday for a late postponement..again.
! Bornmuff supporters had whipround raised nearly a Grand and the BAFC supporters have free transport to re arranged game next week..A nice story in this world of supporters hating one another..Of course it was at Burton that the Muffs had the celebration promotion party 3 years ago..
I know it,s a bit off topic..but living where I do..a couple of mates were on the BAFC Coach that got nearly to Bornmuff saturday for a late postponement..again. ! Bornmuff supporters had whipround raised nearly a Grand and the BAFC supporters have free transport to re arranged game next week..A nice story in this world of supporters hating one another..Of course it was at Burton that the Muffs had the celebration promotion party 3 years ago.. melnursesear.

6:04pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Swindonian63 says...

melnursesear. wrote:
I know it,s a bit off topic..but living where I do..a couple of mates were on the BAFC Coach that got nearly to Bornmuff saturday for a late postponement..again.

! Bornmuff supporters had whipround raised nearly a Grand and the BAFC supporters have free transport to re arranged game next week..A nice story in this world of supporters hating one another..Of course it was at Burton that the Muffs had the celebration promotion party 3 years ago..
Yes, to be fair a great gesture by the Muff fans...credit where it's due.

I think the final figure was around £3K with the balance going to Cancer Research.
[quote][p][bold]melnursesear.[/bold] wrote: I know it,s a bit off topic..but living where I do..a couple of mates were on the BAFC Coach that got nearly to Bornmuff saturday for a late postponement..again. ! Bornmuff supporters had whipround raised nearly a Grand and the BAFC supporters have free transport to re arranged game next week..A nice story in this world of supporters hating one another..Of course it was at Burton that the Muffs had the celebration promotion party 3 years ago..[/p][/quote]Yes, to be fair a great gesture by the Muff fans...credit where it's due. I think the final figure was around £3K with the balance going to Cancer Research. Swindonian63

6:06pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Di kanny oh says...

NORTH STAND wrote:
Wow - you can see why people still buy replacement windows....

Yet to see anything Fredi said not come true, clearly the world moves on and plans change but if anyone thinks this news is anything but disastrous for the club they are, by choice or otherwise, really not smelling the coffee....

Wes is still for sale in the same (desparate) way that every single member of the squad is for sale...... the new years day postponement was a huge dent in cashflow expectations and Wes's almost total loss of form and therefore suitors may well be the straw that breaks the camel's back.... we are potentially one cold snap away from administration (and that's a thirty pointer this time) The simple fact is we have unloaded just about every individual we can but nobody wants any of our remaining players.... we are contemplating a second half of the season with a strikeforce of Storey and Waldon (that's not even conference level) and still the same old fools on here remember Bert's babes, dream of the playoffs and wonder who is coming in next.... You couldn't make it up....
Complete Tripe ! have a word with Lee Power, he said he will make any shortfall up and when the season finishes we shall be free of some of the excess baggage from Di Canio's era and handouts of high wages. As for "desperate", well Power said players will only leave if the price is right and they will not be giving players away. I would wait until end of January before firing off at the lip.
[quote][p][bold]NORTH STAND[/bold] wrote: Wow - you can see why people still buy replacement windows.... Yet to see anything Fredi said not come true, clearly the world moves on and plans change but if anyone thinks this news is anything but disastrous for the club they are, by choice or otherwise, really not smelling the coffee.... Wes is still for sale in the same (desparate) way that every single member of the squad is for sale...... the new years day postponement was a huge dent in cashflow expectations and Wes's almost total loss of form and therefore suitors may well be the straw that breaks the camel's back.... we are potentially one cold snap away from administration (and that's a thirty pointer this time) The simple fact is we have unloaded just about every individual we can but nobody wants any of our remaining players.... we are contemplating a second half of the season with a strikeforce of Storey and Waldon (that's not even conference level) and still the same old fools on here remember Bert's babes, dream of the playoffs and wonder who is coming in next.... You couldn't make it up....[/p][/quote]Complete Tripe ! have a word with Lee Power, he said he will make any shortfall up and when the season finishes we shall be free of some of the excess baggage from Di Canio's era and handouts of high wages. As for "desperate", well Power said players will only leave if the price is right and they will not be giving players away. I would wait until end of January before firing off at the lip. Di kanny oh

6:12pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Swindonian63 says...

A few facts on the Wes story:

Lee Camp went on loan from WBA (where he wasn't getting a game) to the Muff at the end of October, initially for a month, then extended to the end of December when he would become a free agent. He played 11 games for them during this period so he was clearly first choice and it seems they liked what they saw. I've never seen him play but from TV he seems to be an experienced and capable keeper at the very least.

My view is that they plumped for him some time ago and just waited until he was a free agent. Just my view.
A few facts on the Wes story: Lee Camp went on loan from WBA (where he wasn't getting a game) to the Muff at the end of October, initially for a month, then extended to the end of December when he would become a free agent. He played 11 games for them during this period so he was clearly first choice and it seems they liked what they saw. I've never seen him play but from TV he seems to be an experienced and capable keeper at the very least. My view is that they plumped for him some time ago and just waited until he was a free agent. Just my view. Swindonian63

6:15pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Cleuso says...

alchafreds wrote:
NORTH STAND wrote:
Wow - you can see why people still buy replacement windows....

Yet to see anything Fredi said not come true, clearly the world moves on and plans change but if anyone thinks this news is anything but disastrous for the club they are, by choice or otherwise, really not smelling the coffee....

Wes is still for sale in the same (desparate) way that every single member of the squad is for sale...... the new years day postponement was a huge dent in cashflow expectations and Wes's almost total loss of form and therefore suitors may well be the straw that breaks the camel's back.... we are potentially one cold snap away from administration (and that's a thirty pointer this time) The simple fact is we have unloaded just about every individual we can but nobody wants any of our remaining players.... we are contemplating a second half of the season with a strikeforce of Storey and Waldon (that's not even conference level) and still the same old fools on here remember Bert's babes, dream of the playoffs and wonder who is coming in next.... You couldn't make it up....
speak for yourself
North stand : Any player at every club is available at the right price or lucrative contract...there is no reason why Swindon should be held or expected as different.

Even Wolves goalkeeper refused to play against Gillingham last weekend as he hopes that will further his transfer ambitions to a premiership club

To think otherwise is cloud cuckoo land. That's why I never worry about comings or goings ... it will just happen like it or not... that still isn't a reason not to support the club as not to do so only makes any situation worse and hasten potential departures of fans "favourites".

As for your potential administration scenario...didn't Lee Power state in a radio interview he was funding the shortfall this season ? So do I believe him or you ? Of course you are correct the postponement will have impact on cashflow, but the game will still be played, ok the crowd may be down a bit on what it would have been, but the income from loss of anticipated "huge" Crawley away following won't be missed at all.
[quote][p][bold]alchafreds[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NORTH STAND[/bold] wrote: Wow - you can see why people still buy replacement windows.... Yet to see anything Fredi said not come true, clearly the world moves on and plans change but if anyone thinks this news is anything but disastrous for the club they are, by choice or otherwise, really not smelling the coffee.... Wes is still for sale in the same (desparate) way that every single member of the squad is for sale...... the new years day postponement was a huge dent in cashflow expectations and Wes's almost total loss of form and therefore suitors may well be the straw that breaks the camel's back.... we are potentially one cold snap away from administration (and that's a thirty pointer this time) The simple fact is we have unloaded just about every individual we can but nobody wants any of our remaining players.... we are contemplating a second half of the season with a strikeforce of Storey and Waldon (that's not even conference level) and still the same old fools on here remember Bert's babes, dream of the playoffs and wonder who is coming in next.... You couldn't make it up....[/p][/quote]speak for yourself[/p][/quote]North stand : Any player at every club is available at the right price or lucrative contract...there is no reason why Swindon should be held or expected as different. Even Wolves goalkeeper refused to play against Gillingham last weekend as he hopes that will further his transfer ambitions to a premiership club To think otherwise is cloud cuckoo land. That's why I never worry about comings or goings ... it will just happen like it or not... that still isn't a reason not to support the club as not to do so only makes any situation worse and hasten potential departures of fans "favourites". As for your potential administration scenario...didn't Lee Power state in a radio interview he was funding the shortfall this season ? So do I believe him or you ? Of course you are correct the postponement will have impact on cashflow, but the game will still be played, ok the crowd may be down a bit on what it would have been, but the income from loss of anticipated "huge" Crawley away following won't be missed at all. Cleuso

6:20pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Cleuso says...

Swindonian63 wrote:
A few facts on the Wes story:

Lee Camp went on loan from WBA (where he wasn't getting a game) to the Muff at the end of October, initially for a month, then extended to the end of December when he would become a free agent. He played 11 games for them during this period so he was clearly first choice and it seems they liked what they saw. I've never seen him play but from TV he seems to be an experienced and capable keeper at the very least.

My view is that they plumped for him some time ago and just waited until he was a free agent. Just my view.
Agreed .... said that earlier today and a few days ago..thanks for confirming ... why pay a fee when you can get a good player for just the cost of a contract .... no brainer especially as he had been playing well and fitted into their team, all the time the Wes to Bournemouth nonsense was being extrapolated to "done deal"
[quote][p][bold]Swindonian63[/bold] wrote: A few facts on the Wes story: Lee Camp went on loan from WBA (where he wasn't getting a game) to the Muff at the end of October, initially for a month, then extended to the end of December when he would become a free agent. He played 11 games for them during this period so he was clearly first choice and it seems they liked what they saw. I've never seen him play but from TV he seems to be an experienced and capable keeper at the very least. My view is that they plumped for him some time ago and just waited until he was a free agent. Just my view.[/p][/quote]Agreed .... said that earlier today and a few days ago..thanks for confirming ... why pay a fee when you can get a good player for just the cost of a contract .... no brainer especially as he had been playing well and fitted into their team, all the time the Wes to Bournemouth nonsense was being extrapolated to "done deal" Cleuso

6:29pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Swindonian63 says...

Cleuso wrote:
Swindonian63 wrote:
A few facts on the Wes story:

Lee Camp went on loan from WBA (where he wasn't getting a game) to the Muff at the end of October, initially for a month, then extended to the end of December when he would become a free agent. He played 11 games for them during this period so he was clearly first choice and it seems they liked what they saw. I've never seen him play but from TV he seems to be an experienced and capable keeper at the very least.

My view is that they plumped for him some time ago and just waited until he was a free agent. Just my view.
Agreed .... said that earlier today and a few days ago..thanks for confirming ... why pay a fee when you can get a good player for just the cost of a contract .... no brainer especially as he had been playing well and fitted into their team, all the time the Wes to Bournemouth nonsense was being extrapolated to "done deal"
Spot on...why let the facts get in the way of a bit of scaremongering!

:-)
[quote][p][bold]Cleuso[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Swindonian63[/bold] wrote: A few facts on the Wes story: Lee Camp went on loan from WBA (where he wasn't getting a game) to the Muff at the end of October, initially for a month, then extended to the end of December when he would become a free agent. He played 11 games for them during this period so he was clearly first choice and it seems they liked what they saw. I've never seen him play but from TV he seems to be an experienced and capable keeper at the very least. My view is that they plumped for him some time ago and just waited until he was a free agent. Just my view.[/p][/quote]Agreed .... said that earlier today and a few days ago..thanks for confirming ... why pay a fee when you can get a good player for just the cost of a contract .... no brainer especially as he had been playing well and fitted into their team, all the time the Wes to Bournemouth nonsense was being extrapolated to "done deal"[/p][/quote]Spot on...why let the facts get in the way of a bit of scaremongering! :-) Swindonian63

6:56pm Mon 6 Jan 14

The Jockster says...

Yep Wilesy good post because if push comes to shove and wealthier clubs dangle the moola under Power's nose any saleable assets will be sold and Wes is top of that list and would undoubtedly have gone had Camp not been unearthed and Waldron & Storey are unproven. As to the two Nathan's their form has dipped considerably this season and there will no doubt be a sell on clause with Luongo. Jury still out for me on Kasim.
I don't think anybody is sounding the death knell I just think most are being realistic to accept that L1 survival will be a good achievement this season.
Finally Power's pledge to underwrite any shortfall? Well for the moment we'll accept that for the moment whilst being aware of similar "pie in the sky " pledges from the Jedi! We certainly hope we don't get a repeat of "white man speak with fork tongue" do we?
Yep Wilesy good post because if push comes to shove and wealthier clubs dangle the moola under Power's nose any saleable assets will be sold and Wes is top of that list and would undoubtedly have gone had Camp not been unearthed and Waldron & Storey are unproven. As to the two Nathan's their form has dipped considerably this season and there will no doubt be a sell on clause with Luongo. Jury still out for me on Kasim. I don't think anybody is sounding the death knell I just think most are being realistic to accept that L1 survival will be a good achievement this season. Finally Power's pledge to underwrite any shortfall? Well for the moment we'll accept that for the moment whilst being aware of similar "pie in the sky " pledges from the Jedi! We certainly hope we don't get a repeat of "white man speak with fork tongue" do we? The Jockster

6:58pm Mon 6 Jan 14

lifelong red says...

NORTH STAND wrote:
Wow - you can see why people still buy replacement windows....

Yet to see anything Fredi said not come true, clearly the world moves on and plans change but if anyone thinks this news is anything but disastrous for the club they are, by choice or otherwise, really not smelling the coffee....

Wes is still for sale in the same (desparate) way that every single member of the squad is for sale...... the new years day postponement was a huge dent in cashflow expectations and Wes's almost total loss of form and therefore suitors may well be the straw that breaks the camel's back.... we are potentially one cold snap away from administration (and that's a thirty pointer this time) The simple fact is we have unloaded just about every individual we can but nobody wants any of our remaining players.... we are contemplating a second half of the season with a strikeforce of Storey and Waldon (that's not even conference level) and still the same old fools on here remember Bert's babes, dream of the playoffs and wonder who is coming in next.... You couldn't make it up....
North stand you are entitled to your opinion of course but please don't come on here posting such a load of gobshite , by the way I,m one of the " old fools " who remember bert heads babes well.
[quote][p][bold]NORTH STAND[/bold] wrote: Wow - you can see why people still buy replacement windows.... Yet to see anything Fredi said not come true, clearly the world moves on and plans change but if anyone thinks this news is anything but disastrous for the club they are, by choice or otherwise, really not smelling the coffee.... Wes is still for sale in the same (desparate) way that every single member of the squad is for sale...... the new years day postponement was a huge dent in cashflow expectations and Wes's almost total loss of form and therefore suitors may well be the straw that breaks the camel's back.... we are potentially one cold snap away from administration (and that's a thirty pointer this time) The simple fact is we have unloaded just about every individual we can but nobody wants any of our remaining players.... we are contemplating a second half of the season with a strikeforce of Storey and Waldon (that's not even conference level) and still the same old fools on here remember Bert's babes, dream of the playoffs and wonder who is coming in next.... You couldn't make it up....[/p][/quote]North stand you are entitled to your opinion of course but please don't come on here posting such a load of gobshite , by the way I,m one of the " old fools " who remember bert heads babes well. lifelong red

6:58pm Mon 6 Jan 14

lifelong red says...

NORTH STAND wrote:
Wow - you can see why people still buy replacement windows....

Yet to see anything Fredi said not come true, clearly the world moves on and plans change but if anyone thinks this news is anything but disastrous for the club they are, by choice or otherwise, really not smelling the coffee....

Wes is still for sale in the same (desparate) way that every single member of the squad is for sale...... the new years day postponement was a huge dent in cashflow expectations and Wes's almost total loss of form and therefore suitors may well be the straw that breaks the camel's back.... we are potentially one cold snap away from administration (and that's a thirty pointer this time) The simple fact is we have unloaded just about every individual we can but nobody wants any of our remaining players.... we are contemplating a second half of the season with a strikeforce of Storey and Waldon (that's not even conference level) and still the same old fools on here remember Bert's babes, dream of the playoffs and wonder who is coming in next.... You couldn't make it up....
North stand you are entitled to your opinion of course but please don't come on here posting such a load of gobshite , by the way I,m one of the " old fools " who remember bert heads babes well.
[quote][p][bold]NORTH STAND[/bold] wrote: Wow - you can see why people still buy replacement windows.... Yet to see anything Fredi said not come true, clearly the world moves on and plans change but if anyone thinks this news is anything but disastrous for the club they are, by choice or otherwise, really not smelling the coffee.... Wes is still for sale in the same (desparate) way that every single member of the squad is for sale...... the new years day postponement was a huge dent in cashflow expectations and Wes's almost total loss of form and therefore suitors may well be the straw that breaks the camel's back.... we are potentially one cold snap away from administration (and that's a thirty pointer this time) The simple fact is we have unloaded just about every individual we can but nobody wants any of our remaining players.... we are contemplating a second half of the season with a strikeforce of Storey and Waldon (that's not even conference level) and still the same old fools on here remember Bert's babes, dream of the playoffs and wonder who is coming in next.... You couldn't make it up....[/p][/quote]North stand you are entitled to your opinion of course but please don't come on here posting such a load of gobshite , by the way I,m one of the " old fools " who remember bert heads babes well. lifelong red

7:02pm Mon 6 Jan 14

harley red says...

port de soller wrote:
Yes good News if Wes stays, Lee Power has been spot on will not waste money the club aint got.Has said club will manage however a decent investor would help.
Now he has to clear the dead wood and remaining hig earners,seasir said than done.
Over the next few weeks I think we will see several changes some we may not like,but this guy wants STFC to try and be self supporting. in these days again aint an easy task.
A lot has been said about Bournemouth and the Russian investment, well we had the money, a Manager who did what he could for the Town but both him and the Board messed up Big Time.
I will be pleased if we can finish in a decent spot in the table and live to fight on
GOOD LUCK STFC
The manager did not mess up , we went up as champions and the next season we had reached the summit again and I'm sure if he stayed we would have gone up again . COOPER IS CRAP AND THE FOOTBALL WE PLAY IS NOT MUCH BETTER . They go backwards more than forward and when we do go forward it's at a slow pace and why take 5 passes when 1will do . Still managers don't hang around for long these days so hope both cooper and power will move on soon .
[quote][p][bold]port de soller[/bold] wrote: Yes good News if Wes stays, Lee Power has been spot on will not waste money the club aint got.Has said club will manage however a decent investor would help. Now he has to clear the dead wood and remaining hig earners,seasir said than done. Over the next few weeks I think we will see several changes some we may not like,but this guy wants STFC to try and be self supporting. in these days again aint an easy task. A lot has been said about Bournemouth and the Russian investment, well we had the money, a Manager who did what he could for the Town but both him and the Board messed up Big Time. I will be pleased if we can finish in a decent spot in the table and live to fight on GOOD LUCK STFC[/p][/quote]The manager did not mess up , we went up as champions and the next season we had reached the summit again and I'm sure if he stayed we would have gone up again . COOPER IS CRAP AND THE FOOTBALL WE PLAY IS NOT MUCH BETTER . They go backwards more than forward and when we do go forward it's at a slow pace and why take 5 passes when 1will do . Still managers don't hang around for long these days so hope both cooper and power will move on soon . harley red

7:14pm Mon 6 Jan 14

harley red says...

port de soller wrote:
Yes good News if Wes stays, Lee Power has been spot on will not waste money the club aint got.Has said club will manage however a decent investor would help.
Now he has to clear the dead wood and remaining hig earners,seasir said than done.
Over the next few weeks I think we will see several changes some we may not like,but this guy wants STFC to try and be self supporting. in these days again aint an easy task.
A lot has been said about Bournemouth and the Russian investment, well we had the money, a Manager who did what he could for the Town but both him and the Board messed up Big Time.
I will be pleased if we can finish in a decent spot in the table and live to fight on
GOOD LUCK STFC
The manager did not mess up , we went up as champions and the next season we had reached the summit again and I'm sure if he stayed we would have gone up again . COOPER IS CRAP AND THE FOOTBALL WE PLAY IS NOT MUCH BETTER . They go backwards more than forward and when we do go forward it's at a slow pace and why take 5 passes when 1will do . Still managers don't hang around for long these days so hope both cooper and power will move on soon .
[quote][p][bold]port de soller[/bold] wrote: Yes good News if Wes stays, Lee Power has been spot on will not waste money the club aint got.Has said club will manage however a decent investor would help. Now he has to clear the dead wood and remaining hig earners,seasir said than done. Over the next few weeks I think we will see several changes some we may not like,but this guy wants STFC to try and be self supporting. in these days again aint an easy task. A lot has been said about Bournemouth and the Russian investment, well we had the money, a Manager who did what he could for the Town but both him and the Board messed up Big Time. I will be pleased if we can finish in a decent spot in the table and live to fight on GOOD LUCK STFC[/p][/quote]The manager did not mess up , we went up as champions and the next season we had reached the summit again and I'm sure if he stayed we would have gone up again . COOPER IS CRAP AND THE FOOTBALL WE PLAY IS NOT MUCH BETTER . They go backwards more than forward and when we do go forward it's at a slow pace and why take 5 passes when 1will do . Still managers don't hang around for long these days so hope both cooper and power will move on soon . harley red

7:15pm Mon 6 Jan 14

ellory says...

NORTH STAND wrote:
Wow - you can see why people still buy replacement windows....

Yet to see anything Fredi said not come true, clearly the world moves on and plans change but if anyone thinks this news is anything but disastrous for the club they are, by choice or otherwise, really not smelling the coffee....

Wes is still for sale in the same (desparate) way that every single member of the squad is for sale...... the new years day postponement was a huge dent in cashflow expectations and Wes's almost total loss of form and therefore suitors may well be the straw that breaks the camel's back.... we are potentially one cold snap away from administration (and that's a thirty pointer this time) The simple fact is we have unloaded just about every individual we can but nobody wants any of our remaining players.... we are contemplating a second half of the season with a strikeforce of Storey and Waldon (that's not even conference level) and still the same old fools on here remember Bert's babes, dream of the playoffs and wonder who is coming in next.... You couldn't make it up....
This is typical of some posters on here who find it impossible to be negative without assuming everyone else is an idiot or doesn't care about the club..
.
Some of us just believe there is a position somewhere in the middle of the club folding and us winning the FA Cup..
.
No, we don't have the money we used to and we won't win the league. Our players will leave if the price is right, so they are indeed "up for sale". There are still players on the books who we'd rather get shot of. We do have loan players and youngsters in the squad. And yes, it did rain on New Years Day (There are lots of reasons a football club enters administration etc but "weather" is a new one on me)
.
But we're also in a good league position, we've enjoyed some memorable games and still have a JPT area final to look forward to. Nearly every club there is has players "(desperately)" up for sale. Our manager (who the majority did not want) has shown he is up to the job. The loan system has allowed us to witness the likes of Pritchard at the County Ground, which I for one am grateful for. And unless our bid for Wes Thomas was actually 100,000 jelly beans I don't think fans expecting an incoming transfer is that unrealistic.
.
Things don't have to be black and white, and not everyone who grew tired of Fredi is an ostrich. Chill out and enjoy the football.
[quote][p][bold]NORTH STAND[/bold] wrote: Wow - you can see why people still buy replacement windows.... Yet to see anything Fredi said not come true, clearly the world moves on and plans change but if anyone thinks this news is anything but disastrous for the club they are, by choice or otherwise, really not smelling the coffee.... Wes is still for sale in the same (desparate) way that every single member of the squad is for sale...... the new years day postponement was a huge dent in cashflow expectations and Wes's almost total loss of form and therefore suitors may well be the straw that breaks the camel's back.... we are potentially one cold snap away from administration (and that's a thirty pointer this time) The simple fact is we have unloaded just about every individual we can but nobody wants any of our remaining players.... we are contemplating a second half of the season with a strikeforce of Storey and Waldon (that's not even conference level) and still the same old fools on here remember Bert's babes, dream of the playoffs and wonder who is coming in next.... You couldn't make it up....[/p][/quote]This is typical of some posters on here who find it impossible to be negative without assuming everyone else is an idiot or doesn't care about the club.. . Some of us just believe there is a position somewhere in the middle of the club folding and us winning the FA Cup.. . No, we don't have the money we used to and we won't win the league. Our players will leave if the price is right, so they are indeed "up for sale". There are still players on the books who we'd rather get shot of. We do have loan players and youngsters in the squad. And yes, it did rain on New Years Day (There are lots of reasons a football club enters administration etc but "weather" is a new one on me) . But we're also in a good league position, we've enjoyed some memorable games and still have a JPT area final to look forward to. Nearly every club there is has players "(desperately)" up for sale. Our manager (who the majority did not want) has shown he is up to the job. The loan system has allowed us to witness the likes of Pritchard at the County Ground, which I for one am grateful for. And unless our bid for Wes Thomas was actually 100,000 jelly beans I don't think fans expecting an incoming transfer is that unrealistic. . Things don't have to be black and white, and not everyone who grew tired of Fredi is an ostrich. Chill out and enjoy the football. ellory

7:18pm Mon 6 Jan 14

mancrobin says...

Oi Den! wrote:
mancrobin wrote:
Chish and Fips wrote:
Wonder if those who said it was a 'done deal' with Bornmuff will be back on here with a revised 'heard from a good source' ...hmm
Exactly. The way people fall for the garbage that our mate Fredi the Dreamer puts on here is remarkable.

Still waiting for news for loan deal with Liverpool for Sterling ;)
manc, why the pop at fredi? Almost everything he has posted has turned out to be true, while the club itself was feeding us the garbage. I find it remarkable that so many people fell for that but are prepared to rubbish the accurate insight provided by fredi.

Did he actually say anything about Sterling? There was definitely a mention of loan players from Liverpool. We await news on that but I'd be happy to have a little wager with you that there'll be some truth in it. Pity we didn't have bets on all of McCrory's statements v all of fredi's!
Den, I think there is a massive difference here. Regardless of whether you feel either or both have fed us bullsh*t, one is the visible and legal Chairman of the Club who has to face up publically to his statements, the other is an unknown individual who hasn't the guts to reveal his identity, his sources or to come clean as to why he feels the need to do it.

I'd be ok if he was a genuine whistleblower with good cause to blow but my reading of his half truth statements is that he has revealed nothing untoward at the club and is no more than sh*t stirrer.

Just my opinion, mind.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chish and Fips[/bold] wrote: Wonder if those who said it was a 'done deal' with Bornmuff will be back on here with a revised 'heard from a good source' ...hmm[/p][/quote]Exactly. The way people fall for the garbage that our mate Fredi the Dreamer puts on here is remarkable. Still waiting for news for loan deal with Liverpool for Sterling ;)[/p][/quote]manc, why the pop at fredi? Almost everything he has posted has turned out to be true, while the club itself was feeding us the garbage. I find it remarkable that so many people fell for that but are prepared to rubbish the accurate insight provided by fredi. Did he actually say anything about Sterling? There was definitely a mention of loan players from Liverpool. We await news on that but I'd be happy to have a little wager with you that there'll be some truth in it. Pity we didn't have bets on all of McCrory's statements v all of fredi's![/p][/quote]Den, I think there is a massive difference here. Regardless of whether you feel either or both have fed us bullsh*t, one is the visible and legal Chairman of the Club who has to face up publically to his statements, the other is an unknown individual who hasn't the guts to reveal his identity, his sources or to come clean as to why he feels the need to do it. I'd be ok if he was a genuine whistleblower with good cause to blow but my reading of his half truth statements is that he has revealed nothing untoward at the club and is no more than sh*t stirrer. Just my opinion, mind. mancrobin

7:43pm Mon 6 Jan 14

lifelong red says...

harley red wrote:
port de soller wrote:
Yes good News if Wes stays, Lee Power has been spot on will not waste money the club aint got.Has said club will manage however a decent investor would help.
Now he has to clear the dead wood and remaining hig earners,seasir said than done.
Over the next few weeks I think we will see several changes some we may not like,but this guy wants STFC to try and be self supporting. in these days again aint an easy task.
A lot has been said about Bournemouth and the Russian investment, well we had the money, a Manager who did what he could for the Town but both him and the Board messed up Big Time.
I will be pleased if we can finish in a decent spot in the table and live to fight on
GOOD LUCK STFC
The manager did not mess up , we went up as champions and the next season we had reached the summit again and I'm sure if he stayed we would have gone up again . COOPER IS CRAP AND THE FOOTBALL WE PLAY IS NOT MUCH BETTER . They go backwards more than forward and when we do go forward it's at a slow pace and why take 5 passes when 1will do . Still managers don't hang around for long these days so hope both cooper and power will move on soon .
Am I dreaming or am I really reading this rubbish.
[quote][p][bold]harley red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]port de soller[/bold] wrote: Yes good News if Wes stays, Lee Power has been spot on will not waste money the club aint got.Has said club will manage however a decent investor would help. Now he has to clear the dead wood and remaining hig earners,seasir said than done. Over the next few weeks I think we will see several changes some we may not like,but this guy wants STFC to try and be self supporting. in these days again aint an easy task. A lot has been said about Bournemouth and the Russian investment, well we had the money, a Manager who did what he could for the Town but both him and the Board messed up Big Time. I will be pleased if we can finish in a decent spot in the table and live to fight on GOOD LUCK STFC[/p][/quote]The manager did not mess up , we went up as champions and the next season we had reached the summit again and I'm sure if he stayed we would have gone up again . COOPER IS CRAP AND THE FOOTBALL WE PLAY IS NOT MUCH BETTER . They go backwards more than forward and when we do go forward it's at a slow pace and why take 5 passes when 1will do . Still managers don't hang around for long these days so hope both cooper and power will move on soon .[/p][/quote]Am I dreaming or am I really reading this rubbish. lifelong red

8:03pm Mon 6 Jan 14

the don69 says...

mancrobin wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
mancrobin wrote:
Chish and Fips wrote:
Wonder if those who said it was a 'done deal' with Bornmuff will be back on here with a revised 'heard from a good source' ...hmm
Exactly. The way people fall for the garbage that our mate Fredi the Dreamer puts on here is remarkable.

Still waiting for news for loan deal with Liverpool for Sterling ;)
manc, why the pop at fredi? Almost everything he has posted has turned out to be true, while the club itself was feeding us the garbage. I find it remarkable that so many people fell for that but are prepared to rubbish the accurate insight provided by fredi.

Did he actually say anything about Sterling? There was definitely a mention of loan players from Liverpool. We await news on that but I'd be happy to have a little wager with you that there'll be some truth in it. Pity we didn't have bets on all of McCrory's statements v all of fredi's!
Den, I think there is a massive difference here. Regardless of whether you feel either or both have fed us bullsh*t, one is the visible and legal Chairman of the Club who has to face up publically to his statements, the other is an unknown individual who hasn't the guts to reveal his identity, his sources or to come clean as to why he feels the need to do it.

I'd be ok if he was a genuine whistleblower with good cause to blow but my reading of his half truth statements is that he has revealed nothing untoward at the club and is no more than sh*t stirrer.

Just my opinion, mind.
And in my humble opinion I'd say you are spot on Manc!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chish and Fips[/bold] wrote: Wonder if those who said it was a 'done deal' with Bornmuff will be back on here with a revised 'heard from a good source' ...hmm[/p][/quote]Exactly. The way people fall for the garbage that our mate Fredi the Dreamer puts on here is remarkable. Still waiting for news for loan deal with Liverpool for Sterling ;)[/p][/quote]manc, why the pop at fredi? Almost everything he has posted has turned out to be true, while the club itself was feeding us the garbage. I find it remarkable that so many people fell for that but are prepared to rubbish the accurate insight provided by fredi. Did he actually say anything about Sterling? There was definitely a mention of loan players from Liverpool. We await news on that but I'd be happy to have a little wager with you that there'll be some truth in it. Pity we didn't have bets on all of McCrory's statements v all of fredi's![/p][/quote]Den, I think there is a massive difference here. Regardless of whether you feel either or both have fed us bullsh*t, one is the visible and legal Chairman of the Club who has to face up publically to his statements, the other is an unknown individual who hasn't the guts to reveal his identity, his sources or to come clean as to why he feels the need to do it. I'd be ok if he was a genuine whistleblower with good cause to blow but my reading of his half truth statements is that he has revealed nothing untoward at the club and is no more than sh*t stirrer. Just my opinion, mind.[/p][/quote]And in my humble opinion I'd say you are spot on Manc!!!!! the don69

8:06pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Swindonian63 says...

lifelong red wrote:
harley red wrote:
port de soller wrote:
Yes good News if Wes stays, Lee Power has been spot on will not waste money the club aint got.Has said club will manage however a decent investor would help.
Now he has to clear the dead wood and remaining hig earners,seasir said than done.
Over the next few weeks I think we will see several changes some we may not like,but this guy wants STFC to try and be self supporting. in these days again aint an easy task.
A lot has been said about Bournemouth and the Russian investment, well we had the money, a Manager who did what he could for the Town but both him and the Board messed up Big Time.
I will be pleased if we can finish in a decent spot in the table and live to fight on
GOOD LUCK STFC
The manager did not mess up , we went up as champions and the next season we had reached the summit again and I'm sure if he stayed we would have gone up again . COOPER IS CRAP AND THE FOOTBALL WE PLAY IS NOT MUCH BETTER . They go backwards more than forward and when we do go forward it's at a slow pace and why take 5 passes when 1will do . Still managers don't hang around for long these days so hope both cooper and power will move on soon .
Am I dreaming or am I really reading this rubbish.
Listen to me, it's not a dream! We both need to stop now, for the sake of our sanity.
[quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]harley red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]port de soller[/bold] wrote: Yes good News if Wes stays, Lee Power has been spot on will not waste money the club aint got.Has said club will manage however a decent investor would help. Now he has to clear the dead wood and remaining hig earners,seasir said than done. Over the next few weeks I think we will see several changes some we may not like,but this guy wants STFC to try and be self supporting. in these days again aint an easy task. A lot has been said about Bournemouth and the Russian investment, well we had the money, a Manager who did what he could for the Town but both him and the Board messed up Big Time. I will be pleased if we can finish in a decent spot in the table and live to fight on GOOD LUCK STFC[/p][/quote]The manager did not mess up , we went up as champions and the next season we had reached the summit again and I'm sure if he stayed we would have gone up again . COOPER IS CRAP AND THE FOOTBALL WE PLAY IS NOT MUCH BETTER . They go backwards more than forward and when we do go forward it's at a slow pace and why take 5 passes when 1will do . Still managers don't hang around for long these days so hope both cooper and power will move on soon .[/p][/quote]Am I dreaming or am I really reading this rubbish.[/p][/quote]Listen to me, it's not a dream! We both need to stop now, for the sake of our sanity. Swindonian63

8:49pm Mon 6 Jan 14

ging999 says...

Swindonian63 wrote:
lifelong red wrote:
harley red wrote:
port de soller wrote:
Yes good News if Wes stays, Lee Power has been spot on will not waste money the club aint got.Has said club will manage however a decent investor would help.
Now he has to clear the dead wood and remaining hig earners,seasir said than done.
Over the next few weeks I think we will see several changes some we may not like,but this guy wants STFC to try and be self supporting. in these days again aint an easy task.
A lot has been said about Bournemouth and the Russian investment, well we had the money, a Manager who did what he could for the Town but both him and the Board messed up Big Time.
I will be pleased if we can finish in a decent spot in the table and live to fight on
GOOD LUCK STFC
The manager did not mess up , we went up as champions and the next season we had reached the summit again and I'm sure if he stayed we would have gone up again . COOPER IS CRAP AND THE FOOTBALL WE PLAY IS NOT MUCH BETTER . They go backwards more than forward and when we do go forward it's at a slow pace and why take 5 passes when 1will do . Still managers don't hang around for long these days so hope both cooper and power will move on soon .
Am I dreaming or am I really reading this rubbish.
Listen to me, it's not a dream! We both need to stop now, for the sake of our sanity.
I'm afraid you're not dreaming. The wind up troll is back. The most negative little girl or boy on the website. She or he is one of the posters who probably doesn't even know where The County Ground is.
[quote][p][bold]Swindonian63[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]harley red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]port de soller[/bold] wrote: Yes good News if Wes stays, Lee Power has been spot on will not waste money the club aint got.Has said club will manage however a decent investor would help. Now he has to clear the dead wood and remaining hig earners,seasir said than done. Over the next few weeks I think we will see several changes some we may not like,but this guy wants STFC to try and be self supporting. in these days again aint an easy task. A lot has been said about Bournemouth and the Russian investment, well we had the money, a Manager who did what he could for the Town but both him and the Board messed up Big Time. I will be pleased if we can finish in a decent spot in the table and live to fight on GOOD LUCK STFC[/p][/quote]The manager did not mess up , we went up as champions and the next season we had reached the summit again and I'm sure if he stayed we would have gone up again . COOPER IS CRAP AND THE FOOTBALL WE PLAY IS NOT MUCH BETTER . They go backwards more than forward and when we do go forward it's at a slow pace and why take 5 passes when 1will do . Still managers don't hang around for long these days so hope both cooper and power will move on soon .[/p][/quote]Am I dreaming or am I really reading this rubbish.[/p][/quote]Listen to me, it's not a dream! We both need to stop now, for the sake of our sanity.[/p][/quote]I'm afraid you're not dreaming. The wind up troll is back. The most negative little girl or boy on the website. She or he is one of the posters who probably doesn't even know where The County Ground is. ging999

10:12pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Oi Den! says...

mancrobin wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
mancrobin wrote:
Chish and Fips wrote:
Wonder if those who said it was a 'done deal' with Bornmuff will be back on here with a revised 'heard from a good source' ...hmm
Exactly. The way people fall for the garbage that our mate Fredi the Dreamer puts on here is remarkable.

Still waiting for news for loan deal with Liverpool for Sterling ;)
manc, why the pop at fredi? Almost everything he has posted has turned out to be true, while the club itself was feeding us the garbage. I find it remarkable that so many people fell for that but are prepared to rubbish the accurate insight provided by fredi.

Did he actually say anything about Sterling? There was definitely a mention of loan players from Liverpool. We await news on that but I'd be happy to have a little wager with you that there'll be some truth in it. Pity we didn't have bets on all of McCrory's statements v all of fredi's!
Den, I think there is a massive difference here. Regardless of whether you feel either or both have fed us bullsh*t, one is the visible and legal Chairman of the Club who has to face up publically to his statements, the other is an unknown individual who hasn't the guts to reveal his identity, his sources or to come clean as to why he feels the need to do it.

I'd be ok if he was a genuine whistleblower with good cause to blow but my reading of his half truth statements is that he has revealed nothing untoward at the club and is no more than sh*t stirrer.

Just my opinion, mind.
All about opinions manc. I don't really see the relevance of the distinction you make between the former Chairman and the anonymous poster (a description that applies to nearly all of us on here). I could see your point if the visible and legal Chairman did face up publicly to his statements but he didn't. He chose to dodge all the significant questions with half answers, joke answers or promises of later answers which never arrived.

The very important difference is surely that the Chairman is in a position of great responsibility and IMO is answerable to the supporters, whereas fredi, in common with the rest of us, can say what he likes as long as it's not false, abusive or malicious. When he started posting on here, my own view was that his posts made very interesting reading. It didn't bother me particularly whether he was making it all up or whether he had good information. As I recall, he has never suggested anything criminal. I couldn't see why he got up so many people's noses. I find it even more strange that he remains a villain in the eyes of many, despite being proved right on almost everything. Half truths? I think you're training your sights in the wrong direction there.

Just as a postscript, I noticed the other day that McCrory said he is "not allowed" to attend Town games. We can all draw our own conclusions from that.
[quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chish and Fips[/bold] wrote: Wonder if those who said it was a 'done deal' with Bornmuff will be back on here with a revised 'heard from a good source' ...hmm[/p][/quote]Exactly. The way people fall for the garbage that our mate Fredi the Dreamer puts on here is remarkable. Still waiting for news for loan deal with Liverpool for Sterling ;)[/p][/quote]manc, why the pop at fredi? Almost everything he has posted has turned out to be true, while the club itself was feeding us the garbage. I find it remarkable that so many people fell for that but are prepared to rubbish the accurate insight provided by fredi. Did he actually say anything about Sterling? There was definitely a mention of loan players from Liverpool. We await news on that but I'd be happy to have a little wager with you that there'll be some truth in it. Pity we didn't have bets on all of McCrory's statements v all of fredi's![/p][/quote]Den, I think there is a massive difference here. Regardless of whether you feel either or both have fed us bullsh*t, one is the visible and legal Chairman of the Club who has to face up publically to his statements, the other is an unknown individual who hasn't the guts to reveal his identity, his sources or to come clean as to why he feels the need to do it. I'd be ok if he was a genuine whistleblower with good cause to blow but my reading of his half truth statements is that he has revealed nothing untoward at the club and is no more than sh*t stirrer. Just my opinion, mind.[/p][/quote]All about opinions manc. I don't really see the relevance of the distinction you make between the former Chairman and the anonymous poster (a description that applies to nearly all of us on here). I could see your point if the visible and legal Chairman did face up publicly to his statements but he didn't. He chose to dodge all the significant questions with half answers, joke answers or promises of later answers which never arrived. The very important difference is surely that the Chairman is in a position of great responsibility and IMO is answerable to the supporters, whereas fredi, in common with the rest of us, can say what he likes as long as it's not false, abusive or malicious. When he started posting on here, my own view was that his posts made very interesting reading. It didn't bother me particularly whether he was making it all up or whether he had good information. As I recall, he has never suggested anything criminal. I couldn't see why he got up so many people's noses. I find it even more strange that he remains a villain in the eyes of many, despite being proved right on almost everything. Half truths? I think you're training your sights in the wrong direction there. Just as a postscript, I noticed the other day that McCrory said he is "not allowed" to attend Town games. We can all draw our own conclusions from that. Oi Den!

11:04pm Mon 6 Jan 14

mancrobin says...

Den, without wishing to over prolong this, I do object to being compared to Fredi. No, other posters are not like him. I like many others on here express opinions but do not claim to have inside knowledge.

Fodds was according to Fredi a "done deal". False.

He may have been right on some things ( most of which were not hard to predict) but he's been wrong on others.

I still do not know what his motives are and would probably hang short of calling them malicious. More pathetic really.
Den, without wishing to over prolong this, I do object to being compared to Fredi. No, other posters are not like him. I like many others on here express opinions but do not claim to have inside knowledge. Fodds was according to Fredi a "done deal". False. He may have been right on some things ( most of which were not hard to predict) but he's been wrong on others. I still do not know what his motives are and would probably hang short of calling them malicious. More pathetic really. mancrobin

11:19pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Chish and Fips says...

Did someone buy you a big spoon for Xmas only you do seem to be trying to stir up things : o)

Perhaps Fredi will reappear and put your mind at rest and a few others that believe everything he says ..... I wouldn't deny some of it rang bells but I would say MOST of it had his/her embroidery sew on - but hey some of us are gullible and some like to see more meat on the bone before jumping to conclusions .
Did someone buy you a big spoon for Xmas only you do seem to be trying to stir up things : o) Perhaps Fredi will reappear and put your mind at rest and a few others that believe everything he says ..... I wouldn't deny some of it rang bells but I would say MOST of it had his/her embroidery sew on - but hey some of us are gullible and some like to see more meat on the bone before jumping to conclusions . Chish and Fips

8:13am Tue 7 Jan 14

Oi Den! says...

Manc, perrhaps one day when we have the time to spare we could draw up a list of the statements fredi has made on here and evaluate them against what actually transpired. It was your criticism that started this exchange. I am simply putting the other side of the argument. It seems to me that fredi is a supporter like you and me. The difference is he knows more than us.

My guess is that many people don't really disbelieve fredi. They just don't want to believe him because many of the things he's said are uncomfortable to believe. If he'd been telling us how wonderful things were at the club, the response would have been very different.
Manc, perrhaps one day when we have the time to spare we could draw up a list of the statements fredi has made on here and evaluate them against what actually transpired. It was your criticism that started this exchange. I am simply putting the other side of the argument. It seems to me that fredi is a supporter like you and me. The difference is he knows more than us. My guess is that many people don't really disbelieve fredi. They just don't want to believe him because many of the things he's said are uncomfortable to believe. If he'd been telling us how wonderful things were at the club, the response would have been very different. Oi Den!

4:26pm Tue 7 Jan 14

Swindon1984 says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Manc, perrhaps one day when we have the time to spare we could draw up a list of the statements fredi has made on here and evaluate them against what actually transpired. It was your criticism that started this exchange. I am simply putting the other side of the argument. It seems to me that fredi is a supporter like you and me. The difference is he knows more than us. My guess is that many people don't really disbelieve fredi. They just don't want to believe him because many of the things he's said are uncomfortable to believe. If he'd been telling us how wonderful things were at the club, the response would have been very different.
At the risk of prolonging the debate (and I'm sure that we will never agree), a couple of points I'd pick up from the above.

"It seems to me that fredi is a supporter like you and me."

I'd always disputed this, and had never received much of a response from him/her on the matter. Basically I'd never heard them discuss anything football related, opinions on a game they'd been to, performance of players etc. Only seemed to be interested in making accusations against members of the board. This would imply someone who is not simply a supporter - even a supporter with major concerns as to the off field running of the club would surely be happy to discuss football once in a while?

"The difference is he knows more than us."

Whether he/she did or didn't was never the issue for me, it's the fact that you can't judge how reliable information is without knowing the source.

"My guess is that many people don't really disbelieve fredi."

Jury's out on that one, many including myself have doubted what was said and the motivations behind saying it.

"They just don't want to believe him because many of the things he's said are uncomfortable to believe. If he'd been telling us how wonderful things were at the club, the response would have been very different."

Can't agree, I'd take anything presented anonymously on the internet with a grain of salt, whether predicting we're going to rack and ruin, or that everything's coming up roses.

To sum up, that particular person's agenda was never made plain, but it would be reasonable to surmise that they had a gripe with the previous board - all posts were directed at them, nothing football related, and since the changeover of backroom staff, this person's been notable by their absence. Did you see them on here after the Coventry game and waxing on about what a fantastic last few minutes we had? Or expressing relief at Wes staying with us for another few months at least? Nope, neither did I.

It smacks of someone who had zero interest in football and every interest in a grudge against the previous owners. If the claims of gross wrongdoing were accurate then why not direct those concerns through appropriate channels rather than spreading discontent on the internet? At best this was someone connected to the club who had legitimate concerns and expressed them in the wrong way - at worst it looked like a smear campaign.

I have to point out one other thing you've said which I find truly staggering -
"When he started posting on here, my own view was that his posts made very interesting reading. It didn't bother me particularly whether he was making it all up or whether he had good information." So hypothetically it's alright for someone to make up whatever they like and present it, not as a work of fiction, but as fact, about the club we all support? It's ok to make potentially libellous statements about individuals all in the name of entertainment? I'm truly amazed if you think this is the case - my suspicion is that in fact you don't, and if you considered the implications of that previous statement you might have chosen your words differently. I could be wrong.

Anyway, only a few days till our first match of 2014, let's start as we mean to go on with a win over the posh. COYR.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Manc, perrhaps one day when we have the time to spare we could draw up a list of the statements fredi has made on here and evaluate them against what actually transpired. It was your criticism that started this exchange. I am simply putting the other side of the argument. It seems to me that fredi is a supporter like you and me. The difference is he knows more than us. My guess is that many people don't really disbelieve fredi. They just don't want to believe him because many of the things he's said are uncomfortable to believe. If he'd been telling us how wonderful things were at the club, the response would have been very different.[/p][/quote]At the risk of prolonging the debate (and I'm sure that we will never agree), a couple of points I'd pick up from the above. "It seems to me that fredi is a supporter like you and me." I'd always disputed this, and had never received much of a response from him/her on the matter. Basically I'd never heard them discuss anything football related, opinions on a game they'd been to, performance of players etc. Only seemed to be interested in making accusations against members of the board. This would imply someone who is not simply a supporter - even a supporter with major concerns as to the off field running of the club would surely be happy to discuss football once in a while? "The difference is he knows more than us." Whether he/she did or didn't was never the issue for me, it's the fact that you can't judge how reliable information is without knowing the source. "My guess is that many people don't really disbelieve fredi." Jury's out on that one, many including myself have doubted what was said and the motivations behind saying it. "They just don't want to believe him because many of the things he's said are uncomfortable to believe. If he'd been telling us how wonderful things were at the club, the response would have been very different." Can't agree, I'd take anything presented anonymously on the internet with a grain of salt, whether predicting we're going to rack and ruin, or that everything's coming up roses. To sum up, that particular person's agenda was never made plain, but it would be reasonable to surmise that they had a gripe with the previous board - all posts were directed at them, nothing football related, and since the changeover of backroom staff, this person's been notable by their absence. Did you see them on here after the Coventry game and waxing on about what a fantastic last few minutes we had? Or expressing relief at Wes staying with us for another few months at least? Nope, neither did I. It smacks of someone who had zero interest in football and every interest in a grudge against the previous owners. If the claims of gross wrongdoing were accurate then why not direct those concerns through appropriate channels rather than spreading discontent on the internet? At best this was someone connected to the club who had legitimate concerns and expressed them in the wrong way - at worst it looked like a smear campaign. I have to point out one other thing you've said which I find truly staggering - "When he started posting on here, my own view was that his posts made very interesting reading. It didn't bother me particularly whether he was making it all up or whether he had good information." So hypothetically it's alright for someone to make up whatever they like and present it, not as a work of fiction, but as fact, about the club we all support? It's ok to make potentially libellous statements about individuals all in the name of entertainment? I'm truly amazed if you think this is the case - my suspicion is that in fact you don't, and if you considered the implications of that previous statement you might have chosen your words differently. I could be wrong. Anyway, only a few days till our first match of 2014, let's start as we mean to go on with a win over the posh. COYR. Swindon1984

4:55pm Tue 7 Jan 14

Oi Den! says...

'84, what I meant with my comment on fredi's initial postings was that I found them very interesting: they were either the thoughts of a very clever storyteller or they were providing us with some very good information. Either way, I was content to read them. People post very dubious stuff on here all the time. What would it have mattered if he was just another storyteller? Why should anyone get het up about the musings of someone they don't know? However, he's long since shown that he really did know what he was talking about, so I think the question becomes academic.

I remain of the view that fredi has been accurate most of the way along. I think he's done us a service by filling the information void created by the previous owner of the club.
'84, what I meant with my comment on fredi's initial postings was that I found them very interesting: they were either the thoughts of a very clever storyteller or they were providing us with some very good information. Either way, I was content to read them. People post very dubious stuff on here all the time. What would it have mattered if he was just another storyteller? Why should anyone get het up about the musings of someone they don't know? However, he's long since shown that he really did know what he was talking about, so I think the question becomes academic. I remain of the view that fredi has been accurate most of the way along. I think he's done us a service by filling the information void created by the previous owner of the club. Oi Den!

4:59pm Tue 7 Jan 14

Oi Den! says...

PS If I had thought there was anything potentially libellous in the posts, I would have taken a different view.
PS If I had thought there was anything potentially libellous in the posts, I would have taken a different view. Oi Den!

5:18pm Tue 7 Jan 14

Swindon1984 says...

Oi Den! wrote:
'84, what I meant with my comment on fredi's initial postings was that I found them very interesting: they were either the thoughts of a very clever storyteller or they were providing us with some very good information. Either way, I was content to read them. People post very dubious stuff on here all the time. What would it have mattered if he was just another storyteller? Why should anyone get het up about the musings of someone they don't know? However, he's long since shown that he really did know what he was talking about, so I think the question becomes academic. I remain of the view that fredi has been accurate most of the way along. I think he's done us a service by filling the information void created by the previous owner of the club.
Fair play, respect your opinion even if I don't agree.

PS, are you Fredi? ;-) Only messing.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: '84, what I meant with my comment on fredi's initial postings was that I found them very interesting: they were either the thoughts of a very clever storyteller or they were providing us with some very good information. Either way, I was content to read them. People post very dubious stuff on here all the time. What would it have mattered if he was just another storyteller? Why should anyone get het up about the musings of someone they don't know? However, he's long since shown that he really did know what he was talking about, so I think the question becomes academic. I remain of the view that fredi has been accurate most of the way along. I think he's done us a service by filling the information void created by the previous owner of the club.[/p][/quote]Fair play, respect your opinion even if I don't agree. PS, are you Fredi? ;-) Only messing. Swindon1984

6:42pm Tue 7 Jan 14

mancrobin says...

Great post '84. You've summed up my thoughts better than I would have.
Great post '84. You've summed up my thoughts better than I would have. mancrobin

8:16pm Tue 7 Jan 14

Chish and Fips says...

Excellent post 84 Like Manc said you summed that up so well,credit to you.
I think it was food for thought for some.
Excellent post 84 Like Manc said you summed that up so well,credit to you. I think it was food for thought for some. Chish and Fips

8:25pm Tue 7 Jan 14

Swindon1984 says...

Chish and Fips wrote:
Excellent post 84 Like Manc said you summed that up so well,credit to you.
I think it was food for thought for some.
Cheers, although it was quite a mouthful - think I have too much time on my hands!
[quote][p][bold]Chish and Fips[/bold] wrote: Excellent post 84 Like Manc said you summed that up so well,credit to you. I think it was food for thought for some.[/p][/quote]Cheers, although it was quite a mouthful - think I have too much time on my hands! Swindon1984

10:45pm Tue 7 Jan 14

Oi Den! says...

Swindon1984 wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
'84, what I meant with my comment on fredi's initial postings was that I found them very interesting: they were either the thoughts of a very clever storyteller or they were providing us with some very good information. Either way, I was content to read them. People post very dubious stuff on here all the time. What would it have mattered if he was just another storyteller? Why should anyone get het up about the musings of someone they don't know? However, he's long since shown that he really did know what he was talking about, so I think the question becomes academic. I remain of the view that fredi has been accurate most of the way along. I think he's done us a service by filling the information void created by the previous owner of the club.
Fair play, respect your opinion even if I don't agree.

PS, are you Fredi? ;-) Only messing.
Haha! No, I'm not fredi. Would be very interested to know who he is though and I do hope he continues to pop up on here, as I honestly believe his posts have provided valuable insight into the affairs of our club.

I hope it goes without saying that I respect your views too.
[quote][p][bold]Swindon1984[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: '84, what I meant with my comment on fredi's initial postings was that I found them very interesting: they were either the thoughts of a very clever storyteller or they were providing us with some very good information. Either way, I was content to read them. People post very dubious stuff on here all the time. What would it have mattered if he was just another storyteller? Why should anyone get het up about the musings of someone they don't know? However, he's long since shown that he really did know what he was talking about, so I think the question becomes academic. I remain of the view that fredi has been accurate most of the way along. I think he's done us a service by filling the information void created by the previous owner of the club.[/p][/quote]Fair play, respect your opinion even if I don't agree. PS, are you Fredi? ;-) Only messing.[/p][/quote]Haha! No, I'm not fredi. Would be very interested to know who he is though and I do hope he continues to pop up on here, as I honestly believe his posts have provided valuable insight into the affairs of our club. I hope it goes without saying that I respect your views too. Oi Den!

11:10pm Tue 7 Jan 14

Oxon-Red says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Swindon1984 wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
'84, what I meant with my comment on fredi's initial postings was that I found them very interesting: they were either the thoughts of a very clever storyteller or they were providing us with some very good information. Either way, I was content to read them. People post very dubious stuff on here all the time. What would it have mattered if he was just another storyteller? Why should anyone get het up about the musings of someone they don't know? However, he's long since shown that he really did know what he was talking about, so I think the question becomes academic. I remain of the view that fredi has been accurate most of the way along. I think he's done us a service by filling the information void created by the previous owner of the club.
Fair play, respect your opinion even if I don't agree.

PS, are you Fredi? ;-) Only messing.
Haha! No, I'm not fredi. Would be very interested to know who he is though and I do hope he continues to pop up on here, as I honestly believe his posts have provided valuable insight into the affairs of our club.

I hope it goes without saying that I respect your views too.
Guys,

I found all Fredi's posts on here from April to current and posted them earlier on the "Barker deal to be completed within 48 hours" thread. There are a few things he said that have become reality and quite a few that haven't.

We are selling Wes to Brentford ! We are being chased and injunctions sought ! We are being chased for £750,000 in transfer fees for Massa and Nathan ! The club will not survive the summer ! Fleets of Mercedes ! Lee Power won't get FL approval as a fit and proper person !

We are having a clear out of players, true but good or bad ? Lee is our owner, good or bad ?

One thing is very clear from many of his posts is the repeated payment of £200,000.to Murrell and McCrory.

His latest post predicted that Wes, Luongo, Pritchard, Ajose and Ranger would not be here at the end of January. I reckon he could have copied that froma a number of posters that have said exactly the same and two of those five were almost certainties.

Read his posts I would be interested to hear if views have changed as a result !

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Swindon1984[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: '84, what I meant with my comment on fredi's initial postings was that I found them very interesting: they were either the thoughts of a very clever storyteller or they were providing us with some very good information. Either way, I was content to read them. People post very dubious stuff on here all the time. What would it have mattered if he was just another storyteller? Why should anyone get het up about the musings of someone they don't know? However, he's long since shown that he really did know what he was talking about, so I think the question becomes academic. I remain of the view that fredi has been accurate most of the way along. I think he's done us a service by filling the information void created by the previous owner of the club.[/p][/quote]Fair play, respect your opinion even if I don't agree. PS, are you Fredi? ;-) Only messing.[/p][/quote]Haha! No, I'm not fredi. Would be very interested to know who he is though and I do hope he continues to pop up on here, as I honestly believe his posts have provided valuable insight into the affairs of our club. I hope it goes without saying that I respect your views too.[/p][/quote]Guys, I found all Fredi's posts on here from April to current and posted them earlier on the "Barker deal to be completed within 48 hours" thread. There are a few things he said that have become reality and quite a few that haven't. We are selling Wes to Brentford ! We are being chased and injunctions sought ! We are being chased for £750,000 in transfer fees for Massa and Nathan ! The club will not survive the summer ! Fleets of Mercedes ! Lee Power won't get FL approval as a fit and proper person ! We are having a clear out of players, true but good or bad ? Lee is our owner, good or bad ? One thing is very clear from many of his posts is the repeated payment of £200,000.to Murrell and McCrory. His latest post predicted that Wes, Luongo, Pritchard, Ajose and Ranger would not be here at the end of January. I reckon he could have copied that froma a number of posters that have said exactly the same and two of those five were almost certainties. Read his posts I would be interested to hear if views have changed as a result ! COYMR Oxon-Red

11:50pm Tue 7 Jan 14

mancrobin says...

Oxon-Red wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Swindon1984 wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
'84, what I meant with my comment on fredi's initial postings was that I found them very interesting: they were either the thoughts of a very clever storyteller or they were providing us with some very good information. Either way, I was content to read them. People post very dubious stuff on here all the time. What would it have mattered if he was just another storyteller? Why should anyone get het up about the musings of someone they don't know? However, he's long since shown that he really did know what he was talking about, so I think the question becomes academic. I remain of the view that fredi has been accurate most of the way along. I think he's done us a service by filling the information void created by the previous owner of the club.
Fair play, respect your opinion even if I don't agree.

PS, are you Fredi? ;-) Only messing.
Haha! No, I'm not fredi. Would be very interested to know who he is though and I do hope he continues to pop up on here, as I honestly believe his posts have provided valuable insight into the affairs of our club.

I hope it goes without saying that I respect your views too.
Guys,

I found all Fredi's posts on here from April to current and posted them earlier on the "Barker deal to be completed within 48 hours" thread. There are a few things he said that have become reality and quite a few that haven't.

We are selling Wes to Brentford ! We are being chased and injunctions sought ! We are being chased for £750,000 in transfer fees for Massa and Nathan ! The club will not survive the summer ! Fleets of Mercedes ! Lee Power won't get FL approval as a fit and proper person !

We are having a clear out of players, true but good or bad ? Lee is our owner, good or bad ?

One thing is very clear from many of his posts is the repeated payment of £200,000.to Murrell and McCrory.

His latest post predicted that Wes, Luongo, Pritchard, Ajose and Ranger would not be here at the end of January. I reckon he could have copied that froma a number of posters that have said exactly the same and two of those five were almost certainties.

Read his posts I would be interested to hear if views have changed as a result !

COYMR
Nice one Oxen.
[quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Swindon1984[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: '84, what I meant with my comment on fredi's initial postings was that I found them very interesting: they were either the thoughts of a very clever storyteller or they were providing us with some very good information. Either way, I was content to read them. People post very dubious stuff on here all the time. What would it have mattered if he was just another storyteller? Why should anyone get het up about the musings of someone they don't know? However, he's long since shown that he really did know what he was talking about, so I think the question becomes academic. I remain of the view that fredi has been accurate most of the way along. I think he's done us a service by filling the information void created by the previous owner of the club.[/p][/quote]Fair play, respect your opinion even if I don't agree. PS, are you Fredi? ;-) Only messing.[/p][/quote]Haha! No, I'm not fredi. Would be very interested to know who he is though and I do hope he continues to pop up on here, as I honestly believe his posts have provided valuable insight into the affairs of our club. I hope it goes without saying that I respect your views too.[/p][/quote]Guys, I found all Fredi's posts on here from April to current and posted them earlier on the "Barker deal to be completed within 48 hours" thread. There are a few things he said that have become reality and quite a few that haven't. We are selling Wes to Brentford ! We are being chased and injunctions sought ! We are being chased for £750,000 in transfer fees for Massa and Nathan ! The club will not survive the summer ! Fleets of Mercedes ! Lee Power won't get FL approval as a fit and proper person ! We are having a clear out of players, true but good or bad ? Lee is our owner, good or bad ? One thing is very clear from many of his posts is the repeated payment of £200,000.to Murrell and McCrory. His latest post predicted that Wes, Luongo, Pritchard, Ajose and Ranger would not be here at the end of January. I reckon he could have copied that froma a number of posters that have said exactly the same and two of those five were almost certainties. Read his posts I would be interested to hear if views have changed as a result ! COYMR[/p][/quote]Nice one Oxen. mancrobin

11:54pm Tue 7 Jan 14

mancrobin says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Swindon1984 wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
'84, what I meant with my comment on fredi's initial postings was that I found them very interesting: they were either the thoughts of a very clever storyteller or they were providing us with some very good information. Either way, I was content to read them. People post very dubious stuff on here all the time. What would it have mattered if he was just another storyteller? Why should anyone get het up about the musings of someone they don't know? However, he's long since shown that he really did know what he was talking about, so I think the question becomes academic. I remain of the view that fredi has been accurate most of the way along. I think he's done us a service by filling the information void created by the previous owner of the club.
Fair play, respect your opinion even if I don't agree.

PS, are you Fredi? ;-) Only messing.
Haha! No, I'm not fredi. Would be very interested to know who he is though and I do hope he continues to pop up on here, as I honestly believe his posts have provided valuable insight into the affairs of our club.

I hope it goes without saying that I respect your views too.
And I respect yours too. I haven't found myself agreeing too much with you of late but I do admire your broad minded approach.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Swindon1984[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: '84, what I meant with my comment on fredi's initial postings was that I found them very interesting: they were either the thoughts of a very clever storyteller or they were providing us with some very good information. Either way, I was content to read them. People post very dubious stuff on here all the time. What would it have mattered if he was just another storyteller? Why should anyone get het up about the musings of someone they don't know? However, he's long since shown that he really did know what he was talking about, so I think the question becomes academic. I remain of the view that fredi has been accurate most of the way along. I think he's done us a service by filling the information void created by the previous owner of the club.[/p][/quote]Fair play, respect your opinion even if I don't agree. PS, are you Fredi? ;-) Only messing.[/p][/quote]Haha! No, I'm not fredi. Would be very interested to know who he is though and I do hope he continues to pop up on here, as I honestly believe his posts have provided valuable insight into the affairs of our club. I hope it goes without saying that I respect your views too.[/p][/quote]And I respect yours too. I haven't found myself agreeing too much with you of late but I do admire your broad minded approach. mancrobin

12:50pm Wed 8 Jan 14

Swindon1984 says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Swindon1984 wrote:
Oi Den! wrote: '84, what I meant with my comment on fredi's initial postings was that I found them very interesting: they were either the thoughts of a very clever storyteller or they were providing us with some very good information. Either way, I was content to read them. People post very dubious stuff on here all the time. What would it have mattered if he was just another storyteller? Why should anyone get het up about the musings of someone they don't know? However, he's long since shown that he really did know what he was talking about, so I think the question becomes academic. I remain of the view that fredi has been accurate most of the way along. I think he's done us a service by filling the information void created by the previous owner of the club.
Fair play, respect your opinion even if I don't agree. PS, are you Fredi? ;-) Only messing.
Haha! No, I'm not fredi. Would be very interested to know who he is though and I do hope he continues to pop up on here, as I honestly believe his posts have provided valuable insight into the affairs of our club. I hope it goes without saying that I respect your views too.
Cheers Den, let's hope Saturday's a good 'un.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Swindon1984[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: '84, what I meant with my comment on fredi's initial postings was that I found them very interesting: they were either the thoughts of a very clever storyteller or they were providing us with some very good information. Either way, I was content to read them. People post very dubious stuff on here all the time. What would it have mattered if he was just another storyteller? Why should anyone get het up about the musings of someone they don't know? However, he's long since shown that he really did know what he was talking about, so I think the question becomes academic. I remain of the view that fredi has been accurate most of the way along. I think he's done us a service by filling the information void created by the previous owner of the club.[/p][/quote]Fair play, respect your opinion even if I don't agree. PS, are you Fredi? ;-) Only messing.[/p][/quote]Haha! No, I'm not fredi. Would be very interested to know who he is though and I do hope he continues to pop up on here, as I honestly believe his posts have provided valuable insight into the affairs of our club. I hope it goes without saying that I respect your views too.[/p][/quote]Cheers Den, let's hope Saturday's a good 'un. Swindon1984

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