SWINDON TOWN: N'Guessan could feature at Walsall as loan discussions continue

Swindon Advertiser: Striker Dany N'Guessan Striker Dany N'Guessan

DANY N’Guessan could play a part in Swindon Town’s trip to Walsall tonight, as discussions continue regarding a possible loan move for the French forward.

Town sent out a circular to clubs across the Football League making them aware of N’Guessan’s availability last week, following the signings of George Barker and Michael Smith.

Preston are believed to have shown an interest in the striker, who has netted eight goals in 23 appearances for Swindon since arriving at the County Ground over the summer, but N’Guessan is understood to prefer to move to a club in the south of England and particularly the London area, where he lives with his young family.

Sources close to the player have told the Advertiser that the 26-year-old remains happy at Swindon but is keen to play regular football with his current contract due to expire at the end of the season.

Charlton are understood to have shown interest in the 26-year-old in the past and Town manager Mark Cooper told the local media yesterday that there has been tentative interest in the frontman.

“There are one or two nibbles. Bearing in mind Dany’s contract is up in the summer, there are one or two people who have rang about him but nothing has happened as yet,” he said.

“Dany will be back in the squad if nothing happens before the game.

“It’s football and he understands. Some players go in and some players go out - it happens at every club and you try to be honest with the players and tell them the reasons, so he’s fine.”

Meanwhile, Cooper revealed that the club have held discussions with two potential new signings, though he was unwilling to divulge any further details.

“We’ve spoken to a couple but I can’t tell you anything concrete and nothing that’s going to happen imminently,” he said.

Elsewhere, Jay McEveley nor Ryan Mason are expected to be out of action for any longer than a week with the injuries they picked up in Town’s weekend win over Shrewsbury.

Mason lasted just 17 minutes of Saturday’s clash at the County Ground before being forced off with a muscle spasm in his side, while McEveley left the field of play two minutes after half-time after his knee locked.

Both players have been assessed by the Town medical team, however, and it has been estalished that neither has sustained serious or lasting damage.

The full-back and the midfielder will be given as long as possible to recover prior to Town’s trip to Walsall tonight.

“Jay is touch and go. He’ll do well to play but if he’s fit he’ll play. We’ll give him as long as we can,” said Cooper.

“Ryan Mason is sore so we’ll give him every opportunity as well.”

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7:04am Tue 28 Jan 14

spiker71 says...

I totally understand we want to play nice pretty football, I get it Mr Power and Coops......but playing it out from the back when we don't have the quality personnel to do that is basically suicide.

It's happening all the time being caught in possession.

Now tell me what is wrong with Ranger, Smith and maybe even Dany (even as backup for injuries) having to ball played into them, feet or head and starting/building our attacks in the middle to last third, tippy tappy at least in threatening areas or flicking on for wiling young legs.

Sides don't back off in league 1 like Premier or Champions league and let you bring it out.

Even with Hoddle we never played suicide footie in our own half and he said, I have always remembered this "there has to be an end product, shot, corner, goal kick whatever" after an away win at Millwall I believe (that would be a dream currently).

Anyway hopefully I can be shut up with a win, and a massive win at that tonight.

COYRs
I totally understand we want to play nice pretty football, I get it Mr Power and Coops......but playing it out from the back when we don't have the quality personnel to do that is basically suicide. It's happening all the time being caught in possession. Now tell me what is wrong with Ranger, Smith and maybe even Dany (even as backup for injuries) having to ball played into them, feet or head and starting/building our attacks in the middle to last third, tippy tappy at least in threatening areas or flicking on for wiling young legs. Sides don't back off in league 1 like Premier or Champions league and let you bring it out. Even with Hoddle we never played suicide footie in our own half and he said, I have always remembered this "there has to be an end product, shot, corner, goal kick whatever" after an away win at Millwall I believe (that would be a dream currently). Anyway hopefully I can be shut up with a win, and a massive win at that tonight. COYRs spiker71

8:43am Tue 28 Jan 14

LeGod says...

When we played walsall at home Martin Ling did an excellent scouting job for them as they pressed us high put us under pressure and we couldnt cope with it. For tonights game if we play our normal away tactics which is to sit deep and let them attack us we will be playing suicide and also if we play our tippy tappy in our own half we will also commit suicide as they will use the same tactics as last time which is to put pressure on us so we cant play.
Although we play football the right way we overplay alot of the times and allow teams to get behind the ball and it leaves us vunerable to the counter attack as Shrewsbury did on saturday.
Tonight i feel with the heavy pitches as well we need to play Ranger and Smith upfront and get the balls into the feet and chest and i would also play Danny as the conditions will be suitbable to play that way.
If we play our normal game we will get stuffed and looking at the walsall forum they believe its a for gone conclusion they are going to spank us tonight.
If that doesnt wind you up as player then nothing will.
I hope the Town prove us wrong tonight and go and get a result most of us will be happy with a point but three would be unbelievable.
We are not playing well at the moment and with no width which is why he needs to use Danny who big and strong and has pace and can give us natural width.
I hope Cooper doesnt go the other way and just pack the midfield with lightweight players.
When we played walsall at home Martin Ling did an excellent scouting job for them as they pressed us high put us under pressure and we couldnt cope with it. For tonights game if we play our normal away tactics which is to sit deep and let them attack us we will be playing suicide and also if we play our tippy tappy in our own half we will also commit suicide as they will use the same tactics as last time which is to put pressure on us so we cant play. Although we play football the right way we overplay alot of the times and allow teams to get behind the ball and it leaves us vunerable to the counter attack as Shrewsbury did on saturday. Tonight i feel with the heavy pitches as well we need to play Ranger and Smith upfront and get the balls into the feet and chest and i would also play Danny as the conditions will be suitbable to play that way. If we play our normal game we will get stuffed and looking at the walsall forum they believe its a for gone conclusion they are going to spank us tonight. If that doesnt wind you up as player then nothing will. I hope the Town prove us wrong tonight and go and get a result most of us will be happy with a point but three would be unbelievable. We are not playing well at the moment and with no width which is why he needs to use Danny who big and strong and has pace and can give us natural width. I hope Cooper doesnt go the other way and just pack the midfield with lightweight players. LeGod

8:58am Tue 28 Jan 14

Robinonfire says...

Whats the away tactics tonight Mr Cooperman ?????
Whats the away tactics tonight Mr Cooperman ????? Robinonfire

9:23am Tue 28 Jan 14

Cookie43 says...

Robinonfire wrote:
Whats the away tactics tonight Mr Cooperman ?????
When are you ever going to say something positive Mr Robinonfire man?????
I bet even if we win tonight you will be no where to be seen
Tw.t!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Robinonfire[/bold] wrote: Whats the away tactics tonight Mr Cooperman ?????[/p][/quote]When are you ever going to say something positive Mr Robinonfire man????? I bet even if we win tonight you will be no where to be seen Tw.t!!!!! Cookie43

9:32am Tue 28 Jan 14

oz ashes says...

Robinonfire wrote:
Whats the away tactics tonight Mr Cooperman ?????
yawn yawn again
[quote][p][bold]Robinonfire[/bold] wrote: Whats the away tactics tonight Mr Cooperman ?????[/p][/quote]yawn yawn again oz ashes

9:32am Tue 28 Jan 14

stfc2012 says...

Nice to have a few strikers for a change. Point or more tonight would be a success. Good luck boys
Nice to have a few strikers for a change. Point or more tonight would be a success. Good luck boys stfc2012

9:37am Tue 28 Jan 14

Cleuso says...

Said it yesterday..a very important game. A draw leaving us 5 points behind Walsall but with a game in hand and given their horrendous looking (on paper) fixture list over the next 10 games will give us ample time to make that up.

More than satisfied if we return with a point anything more would leave us in a great position..
Said it yesterday..a very important game. A draw leaving us 5 points behind Walsall but with a game in hand and given their horrendous looking (on paper) fixture list over the next 10 games will give us ample time to make that up. More than satisfied if we return with a point anything more would leave us in a great position.. Cleuso

9:41am Tue 28 Jan 14

fraser digby's washbag says...

I'd quite like to see a diamond tonight with Pritchard in behind smith and ranger. Louis Thompson sat in front of the back 4 and then luongo and kasim doing all the running in midfield. Full backs can give width if we want to be adventurous
I'd quite like to see a diamond tonight with Pritchard in behind smith and ranger. Louis Thompson sat in front of the back 4 and then luongo and kasim doing all the running in midfield. Full backs can give width if we want to be adventurous fraser digby's washbag

10:09am Tue 28 Jan 14

Swindonian63 says...

This is totally off-topic so apologies. Every month I write my memories of the 63/64 season. I realise that the very prospect of reading ramblings like this will bore many witless, so i you fall into that category, stop now!

January 1964

Top of the Charts – Glad All Over – The Dave Clark Five

Morale was hardly high as we entered the New Year. A dire December had seen us take a mere three points out of a possible ten and we’d slipped down to fifth in the League. However, as a Second Division club there was a novelty awaiting us. For the first time we entered the FA Cup in Round 3, with the big boys. We’d been dawn home to Manchester City who had improved considerably since our 3-0 demolition job on them back in September and were now just one place below us. This was going to be a tough game. There was a great cup atmosphere and over 18,000 in the ground. We got off to the best possible start with a fifth minute goal from Roger Smart who was always one of my favourite players – unspectacular but always hard-working and reliable, I can’t remember ever seeing him have a bad game. The game was well-contested and City, as expected, came back at us with a vengeance. It was no surprise when in the second half they scored a well -deserved equaliser from Alan Oakes. A draw looked odds on and none of us fancied our chances in a replay. However a second goal, again from the industrious Roger Smart, put our noses in front and we held on for the 2-1 victory and a place in the 4th Round draw. All of a sudden, morale was lifted, even when we drew Fourth Division Aldershot away.

A week later, after the Lord Mayor’s Show of the FA Cup, we had the thrill of a league trip to Rotherham, a bit of a contrast. We’d lost the four previous away games so a point would be more than welcome and a gritty performance saw us get one in a 0-0 draw. A good result in the circumstances but since the City game our eyes had been firmly on the following Saturday’s fixture, the first ever visit of Leeds United. Leeds were top of the league and looking as though they meant business in their quest for promotion. This was in the early days of the Revie era that was to see Leeds dominate English football for the next ten years. In fact only a win in the final game of the 1961/62 season had saved them from relegation to Division Three. The nucleus of the side that was to enjoy such success was in their side that day…Paul Reaney, Paul Madeley, Norman Hunter, Johnny Giles, Bobby Collins and the inimitable Billy Bremner. This was going to be some game!

I have two memories of this game that stand out beyond all others. The first was captured by Adver photographer David Evans. It’s a photo of Bill Atkins’ bullet header rocketing into the top corner as the diminutive Bremner jumps desperately on the line in a vain attempt to keep it out. The second also involves Bremner, a combatative player to put it politely. Mike Summerbee beat Bremner with ease and way after he’d gone past him Bremner brought him down from behind in what today would be termed a ‘cynical challenge’. Buzzer picked himself up, strode back to the prostrate Bremner and made to stamp on his face, stopping his foot about half an inch before making contact. Bremner looked terrified; he didn’t commit a bad foul for the rest of the game. The facts of the game are that Bill Atkins gave us a dream start with two headed goals at the Town End in the first 15 minutes. After that Leeds came back at us and shortly before half-time Johnny Giles headed home at the Stratton Bank end to put them back in the game. The second half was pulsating as Leeds came at us and we strove to hang onto our slender lead. It looked as if we’d do it too, but it wasn’t to be. In the final minutes Norman Hunter of all people forced home an equaliser at the Town End to give Leeds a point which to be fair they probably deserved, but our disappointment at conceding so late was huge. Some Town fans missed the late goal because a limited number of tickets for the 4th Round FA Cup tie at Aldershot were to go on sale at the end of the game. I was lucky because a mate of mine got one for me, although at the time I think I wished I hadn’t had to see Hunter’s goal going in. We’d seen a truly great game though, played with passion and commitment in front of over 19000 fans. We certainly had been given our money’s worth!

I once got a round of applause in a packed pub for correctly answering a question in the final of a pub quiz; no one else there knew the answer. What is the relevance of this you may be wondering? The question was ‘Which Football League club play on a public park?’ The answer of course is Aldershot, and had I not been to the aptly named Recreation Ground in January 1964 I wouldn’t have known this and would have missed my round of applause. This was our reward for beating Manchester City in Round 3. We went by train, a ‘football special’. I remember there was a shortage of programmes at the ground and I had an argument with one of my mates over possession of one. I won; I still have it in a box somewhere. There were 16000 there, which was a lot for Aldershot. We didn’t play well but early in the second half we scored through Don Rogers and later Bill Atkins scored a second. We then got complacent, Aldershot got a goal back and very late on their centre forward missed an open goal. We came away with a rather lucky 2-1 win, but that didn’t matter, we were in the hat for the 5th round draw. When the draw gave us a home tie in February against West Ham, who we’d already played twice in the League Cup back in November we were ecstatic. Now we’d show these cockneys what was what!
This is totally off-topic so apologies. Every month I write my memories of the 63/64 season. I realise that the very prospect of reading ramblings like this will bore many witless, so i you fall into that category, stop now! January 1964 Top of the Charts – Glad All Over – The Dave Clark Five Morale was hardly high as we entered the New Year. A dire December had seen us take a mere three points out of a possible ten and we’d slipped down to fifth in the League. However, as a Second Division club there was a novelty awaiting us. For the first time we entered the FA Cup in Round 3, with the big boys. We’d been dawn home to Manchester City who had improved considerably since our 3-0 demolition job on them back in September and were now just one place below us. This was going to be a tough game. There was a great cup atmosphere and over 18,000 in the ground. We got off to the best possible start with a fifth minute goal from Roger Smart who was always one of my favourite players – unspectacular but always hard-working and reliable, I can’t remember ever seeing him have a bad game. The game was well-contested and City, as expected, came back at us with a vengeance. It was no surprise when in the second half they scored a well -deserved equaliser from Alan Oakes. A draw looked odds on and none of us fancied our chances in a replay. However a second goal, again from the industrious Roger Smart, put our noses in front and we held on for the 2-1 victory and a place in the 4th Round draw. All of a sudden, morale was lifted, even when we drew Fourth Division Aldershot away. A week later, after the Lord Mayor’s Show of the FA Cup, we had the thrill of a league trip to Rotherham, a bit of a contrast. We’d lost the four previous away games so a point would be more than welcome and a gritty performance saw us get one in a 0-0 draw. A good result in the circumstances but since the City game our eyes had been firmly on the following Saturday’s fixture, the first ever visit of Leeds United. Leeds were top of the league and looking as though they meant business in their quest for promotion. This was in the early days of the Revie era that was to see Leeds dominate English football for the next ten years. In fact only a win in the final game of the 1961/62 season had saved them from relegation to Division Three. The nucleus of the side that was to enjoy such success was in their side that day…Paul Reaney, Paul Madeley, Norman Hunter, Johnny Giles, Bobby Collins and the inimitable Billy Bremner. This was going to be some game! I have two memories of this game that stand out beyond all others. The first was captured by Adver photographer David Evans. It’s a photo of Bill Atkins’ bullet header rocketing into the top corner as the diminutive Bremner jumps desperately on the line in a vain attempt to keep it out. The second also involves Bremner, a combatative player to put it politely. Mike Summerbee beat Bremner with ease and way after he’d gone past him Bremner brought him down from behind in what today would be termed a ‘cynical challenge’. Buzzer picked himself up, strode back to the prostrate Bremner and made to stamp on his face, stopping his foot about half an inch before making contact. Bremner looked terrified; he didn’t commit a bad foul for the rest of the game. The facts of the game are that Bill Atkins gave us a dream start with two headed goals at the Town End in the first 15 minutes. After that Leeds came back at us and shortly before half-time Johnny Giles headed home at the Stratton Bank end to put them back in the game. The second half was pulsating as Leeds came at us and we strove to hang onto our slender lead. It looked as if we’d do it too, but it wasn’t to be. In the final minutes Norman Hunter of all people forced home an equaliser at the Town End to give Leeds a point which to be fair they probably deserved, but our disappointment at conceding so late was huge. Some Town fans missed the late goal because a limited number of tickets for the 4th Round FA Cup tie at Aldershot were to go on sale at the end of the game. I was lucky because a mate of mine got one for me, although at the time I think I wished I hadn’t had to see Hunter’s goal going in. We’d seen a truly great game though, played with passion and commitment in front of over 19000 fans. We certainly had been given our money’s worth! I once got a round of applause in a packed pub for correctly answering a question in the final of a pub quiz; no one else there knew the answer. What is the relevance of this you may be wondering? The question was ‘Which Football League club play on a public park?’ The answer of course is Aldershot, and had I not been to the aptly named Recreation Ground in January 1964 I wouldn’t have known this and would have missed my round of applause. This was our reward for beating Manchester City in Round 3. We went by train, a ‘football special’. I remember there was a shortage of programmes at the ground and I had an argument with one of my mates over possession of one. I won; I still have it in a box somewhere. There were 16000 there, which was a lot for Aldershot. We didn’t play well but early in the second half we scored through Don Rogers and later Bill Atkins scored a second. We then got complacent, Aldershot got a goal back and very late on their centre forward missed an open goal. We came away with a rather lucky 2-1 win, but that didn’t matter, we were in the hat for the 5th round draw. When the draw gave us a home tie in February against West Ham, who we’d already played twice in the League Cup back in November we were ecstatic. Now we’d show these cockneys what was what! Swindonian63

11:17am Tue 28 Jan 14

Psychedelic Syd says...

Enjoyed your reminiscences '63. Roger Smart always gave 110% - never stopped. Happy days.
Enjoyed your reminiscences '63. Roger Smart always gave 110% - never stopped. Happy days. Psychedelic Syd

12:06pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Swindonian63 says...

Psychedelic Syd wrote:
Enjoyed your reminiscences '63. Roger Smart always gave 110% - never stopped. Happy days.
Thanks for that PS, I'm nervous about putting the article on here because I've already been put in the 'old ****' category on occasion.

Roger Smart was a great player for us, not in the Don Rogers bracket but very important nonetheless. I don't think I've ever seen such a hard-working player. I can remember thinking at Wembley in '69 how fitting it was when he scored the first goal, a reward for all his selfless graft over the seasons.

Yes, happy days indeed.
[quote][p][bold]Psychedelic Syd[/bold] wrote: Enjoyed your reminiscences '63. Roger Smart always gave 110% - never stopped. Happy days.[/p][/quote]Thanks for that PS, I'm nervous about putting the article on here because I've already been put in the 'old ****' category on occasion. Roger Smart was a great player for us, not in the Don Rogers bracket but very important nonetheless. I don't think I've ever seen such a hard-working player. I can remember thinking at Wembley in '69 how fitting it was when he scored the first goal, a reward for all his selfless graft over the seasons. Yes, happy days indeed. Swindonian63

12:14pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Swindon1984 says...

spiker71 wrote:
I totally understand we want to play nice pretty football, I get it Mr Power and Coops......but playing it out from the back when we don't have the quality personnel to do that is basically suicide.

It's happening all the time being caught in possession.

Now tell me what is wrong with Ranger, Smith and maybe even Dany (even as backup for injuries) having to ball played into them, feet or head and starting/building our attacks in the middle to last third, tippy tappy at least in threatening areas or flicking on for wiling young legs.

Sides don't back off in league 1 like Premier or Champions league and let you bring it out.

Even with Hoddle we never played suicide footie in our own half and he said, I have always remembered this "there has to be an end product, shot, corner, goal kick whatever" after an away win at Millwall I believe (that would be a dream currently).

Anyway hopefully I can be shut up with a win, and a massive win at that tonight.

COYRs
Couldn't agree more, almost all the goals I've seen us concede this season have been preventable and many have come from errors in possession. Need to sort it out and do the simple things right before we start trying to play attractive football.
[quote][p][bold]spiker71[/bold] wrote: I totally understand we want to play nice pretty football, I get it Mr Power and Coops......but playing it out from the back when we don't have the quality personnel to do that is basically suicide. It's happening all the time being caught in possession. Now tell me what is wrong with Ranger, Smith and maybe even Dany (even as backup for injuries) having to ball played into them, feet or head and starting/building our attacks in the middle to last third, tippy tappy at least in threatening areas or flicking on for wiling young legs. Sides don't back off in league 1 like Premier or Champions league and let you bring it out. Even with Hoddle we never played suicide footie in our own half and he said, I have always remembered this "there has to be an end product, shot, corner, goal kick whatever" after an away win at Millwall I believe (that would be a dream currently). Anyway hopefully I can be shut up with a win, and a massive win at that tonight. COYRs[/p][/quote]Couldn't agree more, almost all the goals I've seen us concede this season have been preventable and many have come from errors in possession. Need to sort it out and do the simple things right before we start trying to play attractive football. Swindon1984

12:17pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Swindon1984 says...

Swindonian63 wrote:
This is totally off-topic so apologies. Every month I write my memories of the 63/64 season. I realise that the very prospect of reading ramblings like this will bore many witless, so i you fall into that category, stop now!

January 1964

Top of the Charts – Glad All Over – The Dave Clark Five

Morale was hardly high as we entered the New Year. A dire December had seen us take a mere three points out of a possible ten and we’d slipped down to fifth in the League. However, as a Second Division club there was a novelty awaiting us. For the first time we entered the FA Cup in Round 3, with the big boys. We’d been dawn home to Manchester City who had improved considerably since our 3-0 demolition job on them back in September and were now just one place below us. This was going to be a tough game. There was a great cup atmosphere and over 18,000 in the ground. We got off to the best possible start with a fifth minute goal from Roger Smart who was always one of my favourite players – unspectacular but always hard-working and reliable, I can’t remember ever seeing him have a bad game. The game was well-contested and City, as expected, came back at us with a vengeance. It was no surprise when in the second half they scored a well -deserved equaliser from Alan Oakes. A draw looked odds on and none of us fancied our chances in a replay. However a second goal, again from the industrious Roger Smart, put our noses in front and we held on for the 2-1 victory and a place in the 4th Round draw. All of a sudden, morale was lifted, even when we drew Fourth Division Aldershot away.

A week later, after the Lord Mayor’s Show of the FA Cup, we had the thrill of a league trip to Rotherham, a bit of a contrast. We’d lost the four previous away games so a point would be more than welcome and a gritty performance saw us get one in a 0-0 draw. A good result in the circumstances but since the City game our eyes had been firmly on the following Saturday’s fixture, the first ever visit of Leeds United. Leeds were top of the league and looking as though they meant business in their quest for promotion. This was in the early days of the Revie era that was to see Leeds dominate English football for the next ten years. In fact only a win in the final game of the 1961/62 season had saved them from relegation to Division Three. The nucleus of the side that was to enjoy such success was in their side that day…Paul Reaney, Paul Madeley, Norman Hunter, Johnny Giles, Bobby Collins and the inimitable Billy Bremner. This was going to be some game!

I have two memories of this game that stand out beyond all others. The first was captured by Adver photographer David Evans. It’s a photo of Bill Atkins’ bullet header rocketing into the top corner as the diminutive Bremner jumps desperately on the line in a vain attempt to keep it out. The second also involves Bremner, a combatative player to put it politely. Mike Summerbee beat Bremner with ease and way after he’d gone past him Bremner brought him down from behind in what today would be termed a ‘cynical challenge’. Buzzer picked himself up, strode back to the prostrate Bremner and made to stamp on his face, stopping his foot about half an inch before making contact. Bremner looked terrified; he didn’t commit a bad foul for the rest of the game. The facts of the game are that Bill Atkins gave us a dream start with two headed goals at the Town End in the first 15 minutes. After that Leeds came back at us and shortly before half-time Johnny Giles headed home at the Stratton Bank end to put them back in the game. The second half was pulsating as Leeds came at us and we strove to hang onto our slender lead. It looked as if we’d do it too, but it wasn’t to be. In the final minutes Norman Hunter of all people forced home an equaliser at the Town End to give Leeds a point which to be fair they probably deserved, but our disappointment at conceding so late was huge. Some Town fans missed the late goal because a limited number of tickets for the 4th Round FA Cup tie at Aldershot were to go on sale at the end of the game. I was lucky because a mate of mine got one for me, although at the time I think I wished I hadn’t had to see Hunter’s goal going in. We’d seen a truly great game though, played with passion and commitment in front of over 19000 fans. We certainly had been given our money’s worth!

I once got a round of applause in a packed pub for correctly answering a question in the final of a pub quiz; no one else there knew the answer. What is the relevance of this you may be wondering? The question was ‘Which Football League club play on a public park?’ The answer of course is Aldershot, and had I not been to the aptly named Recreation Ground in January 1964 I wouldn’t have known this and would have missed my round of applause. This was our reward for beating Manchester City in Round 3. We went by train, a ‘football special’. I remember there was a shortage of programmes at the ground and I had an argument with one of my mates over possession of one. I won; I still have it in a box somewhere. There were 16000 there, which was a lot for Aldershot. We didn’t play well but early in the second half we scored through Don Rogers and later Bill Atkins scored a second. We then got complacent, Aldershot got a goal back and very late on their centre forward missed an open goal. We came away with a rather lucky 2-1 win, but that didn’t matter, we were in the hat for the 5th round draw. When the draw gave us a home tie in February against West Ham, who we’d already played twice in the League Cup back in November we were ecstatic. Now we’d show these cockneys what was what!
No need to apologise, well before my time but still found it an interesting read. If we get more of this and less of the usual drivel on here people can feel free to go off topic as much as they went as far as I'm concerned!
[quote][p][bold]Swindonian63[/bold] wrote: This is totally off-topic so apologies. Every month I write my memories of the 63/64 season. I realise that the very prospect of reading ramblings like this will bore many witless, so i you fall into that category, stop now! January 1964 Top of the Charts – Glad All Over – The Dave Clark Five Morale was hardly high as we entered the New Year. A dire December had seen us take a mere three points out of a possible ten and we’d slipped down to fifth in the League. However, as a Second Division club there was a novelty awaiting us. For the first time we entered the FA Cup in Round 3, with the big boys. We’d been dawn home to Manchester City who had improved considerably since our 3-0 demolition job on them back in September and were now just one place below us. This was going to be a tough game. There was a great cup atmosphere and over 18,000 in the ground. We got off to the best possible start with a fifth minute goal from Roger Smart who was always one of my favourite players – unspectacular but always hard-working and reliable, I can’t remember ever seeing him have a bad game. The game was well-contested and City, as expected, came back at us with a vengeance. It was no surprise when in the second half they scored a well -deserved equaliser from Alan Oakes. A draw looked odds on and none of us fancied our chances in a replay. However a second goal, again from the industrious Roger Smart, put our noses in front and we held on for the 2-1 victory and a place in the 4th Round draw. All of a sudden, morale was lifted, even when we drew Fourth Division Aldershot away. A week later, after the Lord Mayor’s Show of the FA Cup, we had the thrill of a league trip to Rotherham, a bit of a contrast. We’d lost the four previous away games so a point would be more than welcome and a gritty performance saw us get one in a 0-0 draw. A good result in the circumstances but since the City game our eyes had been firmly on the following Saturday’s fixture, the first ever visit of Leeds United. Leeds were top of the league and looking as though they meant business in their quest for promotion. This was in the early days of the Revie era that was to see Leeds dominate English football for the next ten years. In fact only a win in the final game of the 1961/62 season had saved them from relegation to Division Three. The nucleus of the side that was to enjoy such success was in their side that day…Paul Reaney, Paul Madeley, Norman Hunter, Johnny Giles, Bobby Collins and the inimitable Billy Bremner. This was going to be some game! I have two memories of this game that stand out beyond all others. The first was captured by Adver photographer David Evans. It’s a photo of Bill Atkins’ bullet header rocketing into the top corner as the diminutive Bremner jumps desperately on the line in a vain attempt to keep it out. The second also involves Bremner, a combatative player to put it politely. Mike Summerbee beat Bremner with ease and way after he’d gone past him Bremner brought him down from behind in what today would be termed a ‘cynical challenge’. Buzzer picked himself up, strode back to the prostrate Bremner and made to stamp on his face, stopping his foot about half an inch before making contact. Bremner looked terrified; he didn’t commit a bad foul for the rest of the game. The facts of the game are that Bill Atkins gave us a dream start with two headed goals at the Town End in the first 15 minutes. After that Leeds came back at us and shortly before half-time Johnny Giles headed home at the Stratton Bank end to put them back in the game. The second half was pulsating as Leeds came at us and we strove to hang onto our slender lead. It looked as if we’d do it too, but it wasn’t to be. In the final minutes Norman Hunter of all people forced home an equaliser at the Town End to give Leeds a point which to be fair they probably deserved, but our disappointment at conceding so late was huge. Some Town fans missed the late goal because a limited number of tickets for the 4th Round FA Cup tie at Aldershot were to go on sale at the end of the game. I was lucky because a mate of mine got one for me, although at the time I think I wished I hadn’t had to see Hunter’s goal going in. We’d seen a truly great game though, played with passion and commitment in front of over 19000 fans. We certainly had been given our money’s worth! I once got a round of applause in a packed pub for correctly answering a question in the final of a pub quiz; no one else there knew the answer. What is the relevance of this you may be wondering? The question was ‘Which Football League club play on a public park?’ The answer of course is Aldershot, and had I not been to the aptly named Recreation Ground in January 1964 I wouldn’t have known this and would have missed my round of applause. This was our reward for beating Manchester City in Round 3. We went by train, a ‘football special’. I remember there was a shortage of programmes at the ground and I had an argument with one of my mates over possession of one. I won; I still have it in a box somewhere. There were 16000 there, which was a lot for Aldershot. We didn’t play well but early in the second half we scored through Don Rogers and later Bill Atkins scored a second. We then got complacent, Aldershot got a goal back and very late on their centre forward missed an open goal. We came away with a rather lucky 2-1 win, but that didn’t matter, we were in the hat for the 5th round draw. When the draw gave us a home tie in February against West Ham, who we’d already played twice in the League Cup back in November we were ecstatic. Now we’d show these cockneys what was what![/p][/quote]No need to apologise, well before my time but still found it an interesting read. If we get more of this and less of the usual drivel on here people can feel free to go off topic as much as they went as far as I'm concerned! Swindon1984

12:44pm Tue 28 Jan 14

RogerJ1969 says...

Swindonian63 wrote:
Psychedelic Syd wrote: Enjoyed your reminiscences '63. Roger Smart always gave 110% - never stopped. Happy days.
Thanks for that PS, I'm nervous about putting the article on here because I've already been put in the 'old ****' category on occasion. Roger Smart was a great player for us, not in the Don Rogers bracket but very important nonetheless. I don't think I've ever seen such a hard-working player. I can remember thinking at Wembley in '69 how fitting it was when he scored the first goal, a reward for all his selfless graft over the seasons. Yes, happy days indeed.
He's here he's there he's every f???king where, Roger Smart.

Read this and thought you would get to a home game v Southampton which would have been around then and my first game as an 8 year old.

Happy day's and what role model's some of that Town team were.
[quote][p][bold]Swindonian63[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Psychedelic Syd[/bold] wrote: Enjoyed your reminiscences '63. Roger Smart always gave 110% - never stopped. Happy days.[/p][/quote]Thanks for that PS, I'm nervous about putting the article on here because I've already been put in the 'old ****' category on occasion. Roger Smart was a great player for us, not in the Don Rogers bracket but very important nonetheless. I don't think I've ever seen such a hard-working player. I can remember thinking at Wembley in '69 how fitting it was when he scored the first goal, a reward for all his selfless graft over the seasons. Yes, happy days indeed.[/p][/quote]He's here he's there he's every f???king where, Roger Smart. Read this and thought you would get to a home game v Southampton which would have been around then and my first game as an 8 year old. Happy day's and what role model's some of that Town team were. RogerJ1969

1:06pm Tue 28 Jan 14

The artist formerly known as Marmite Soldier says...

Ok Swindonian63, you've given me the excuse to add this.

It's something that will appear in Saturday's programme. Reminiscing a speciality:

A week ago new signing Michael Smith made a great start to his Swindon career when he scored twice on his Town debut, but 35 years ago another Swindon debutant went one better.

Michael’s namesake and Town manager Bobby Smith paid £80,000 to Watford for the signature of striker Alan Mayes on 8th February 1979. With a weather induced break until 24th February Alan had plenty of time to meet his new team mates before his first competitive action, but then the five foot seven inch front man signalled his intent with a devastating start at Rotherham.

Town were fourth in Division Three while United were mid-table.

Goalless as the half time oranges were being prepared in the Millmoor changing room, Mayes registered his first Swindon goal as the clock ticked over to 45 minutes.

Striker Trevor Phillips equalised for the home side 11 minutes after the restart, but our new man was to capture the first of many ‘Amayes-ing’ headlines before the afternoon was done. Nineteen minutes into the second period he struck again, before rounding off his debut with a treble just two minutes later.

Alan had begun his career at QPR without making an appearance, and after a loan spell at Northampton joined the Hornets at Vicarage Road.

Fifty goals in 112 Town games saw Chelsea invest £200,000 in December 1980 to take Mayes to Stamford Bridge but in July 1983, and despite a goal almost every third game for the Blues, he was back at the County Ground on a free transfer.

Playing as part of a poor Fourth Division team he plundered another 32 goals in 72 games before leaving once more in June 1985.

Spells at Carlisle United and Newport County followed, but he wound down his playing career with a 12 match, six goal stint at Blackpool, during which Alan popped up to add his name to the score sheet at the County Ground one last time. This time however, his strike helped inflict the ignominy of a 6-2 home defeat for Town in August 1986.

In all competitions Alan Mayes’ name appeared on the credit side of Town’s score sheet no fewer than 82 times in 184 matches.

Alan Mayes surely deserves his place in Town’s Hall of Fame, but the man he beat three times on his Swindon debut also holds an interesting statistic. Tom McAlister was Rotherham’s keeper on that day in February 1979.

Perhaps deciding if you can’t beat them, join them, he had a twelve month spell at the County Ground starting in May 1980, and making just one first team appearance he kept a clean sheet in a 3-0 home win over Plymouth Argyle.

Alan Mayes may have had many moments of glory in a Town shirt, but there can’t be many Town keepers who hold a 100% clean sheet record in their entire County Ground career!
Ok Swindonian63, you've given me the excuse to add this. It's something that will appear in Saturday's programme. Reminiscing a speciality: A week ago new signing Michael Smith made a great start to his Swindon career when he scored twice on his Town debut, but 35 years ago another Swindon debutant went one better. Michael’s namesake and Town manager Bobby Smith paid £80,000 to Watford for the signature of striker Alan Mayes on 8th February 1979. With a weather induced break until 24th February Alan had plenty of time to meet his new team mates before his first competitive action, but then the five foot seven inch front man signalled his intent with a devastating start at Rotherham. Town were fourth in Division Three while United were mid-table. Goalless as the half time oranges were being prepared in the Millmoor changing room, Mayes registered his first Swindon goal as the clock ticked over to 45 minutes. Striker Trevor Phillips equalised for the home side 11 minutes after the restart, but our new man was to capture the first of many ‘Amayes-ing’ headlines before the afternoon was done. Nineteen minutes into the second period he struck again, before rounding off his debut with a treble just two minutes later. Alan had begun his career at QPR without making an appearance, and after a loan spell at Northampton joined the Hornets at Vicarage Road. Fifty goals in 112 Town games saw Chelsea invest £200,000 in December 1980 to take Mayes to Stamford Bridge but in July 1983, and despite a goal almost every third game for the Blues, he was back at the County Ground on a free transfer. Playing as part of a poor Fourth Division team he plundered another 32 goals in 72 games before leaving once more in June 1985. Spells at Carlisle United and Newport County followed, but he wound down his playing career with a 12 match, six goal stint at Blackpool, during which Alan popped up to add his name to the score sheet at the County Ground one last time. This time however, his strike helped inflict the ignominy of a 6-2 home defeat for Town in August 1986. In all competitions Alan Mayes’ name appeared on the credit side of Town’s score sheet no fewer than 82 times in 184 matches. Alan Mayes surely deserves his place in Town’s Hall of Fame, but the man he beat three times on his Swindon debut also holds an interesting statistic. Tom McAlister was Rotherham’s keeper on that day in February 1979. Perhaps deciding if you can’t beat them, join them, he had a twelve month spell at the County Ground starting in May 1980, and making just one first team appearance he kept a clean sheet in a 3-0 home win over Plymouth Argyle. Alan Mayes may have had many moments of glory in a Town shirt, but there can’t be many Town keepers who hold a 100% clean sheet record in their entire County Ground career! The artist formerly known as Marmite Soldier

1:33pm Tue 28 Jan 14

The Jockster says...

Cleuso wrote:
Said it yesterday..a very important game. A draw leaving us 5 points behind Walsall but with a game in hand and given their horrendous looking (on paper) fixture list over the next 10 games will give us ample time to make that up.

More than satisfied if we return with a point anything more would leave us in a great position..
....and if we lose? Don't suppose you'll be there but I'll let you know how we played after the game!
[quote][p][bold]Cleuso[/bold] wrote: Said it yesterday..a very important game. A draw leaving us 5 points behind Walsall but with a game in hand and given their horrendous looking (on paper) fixture list over the next 10 games will give us ample time to make that up. More than satisfied if we return with a point anything more would leave us in a great position..[/p][/quote]....and if we lose? Don't suppose you'll be there but I'll let you know how we played after the game! The Jockster

1:33pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Swindonian63 says...

RogerJ1969 wrote:
Swindonian63 wrote:
Psychedelic Syd wrote: Enjoyed your reminiscences '63. Roger Smart always gave 110% - never stopped. Happy days.
Thanks for that PS, I'm nervous about putting the article on here because I've already been put in the 'old ****' category on occasion. Roger Smart was a great player for us, not in the Don Rogers bracket but very important nonetheless. I don't think I've ever seen such a hard-working player. I can remember thinking at Wembley in '69 how fitting it was when he scored the first goal, a reward for all his selfless graft over the seasons. Yes, happy days indeed.
He's here he's there he's every f???king where, Roger Smart.

Read this and thought you would get to a home game v Southampton which would have been around then and my first game as an 8 year old.

Happy day's and what role model's some of that Town team were.
I was at the Southampton game that season which may have been the one you refer to, it was in November. Here's my recollection of it:

This month (November 63) promised to be a tough one with league games against some high quality opposition as well as a third round League Cup tie with First Division West Ham. First up was a home league game against Southampton, which turned out to be a bit of a Paine. We didn’t like Southampton. Their fans always seemed to think their team were bigger and better than they were and their star player, Terry Paine, particularly annoyed us, firstly because he was a good player and secondly because he obviously knew it. Quite a few Saints fans had made the trip, contributing to a gate of almost 22,000. There had been heavy rain and the state of the pitch helped us take an early lead as a back pass stuck in a puddle and Jack Smith stabbed home a predatory goal after eight minutes. All was looking good at this point but Southampton started to get a foothold in the game and Terry Paine started to show why he’d been called up for the England squad, giving our left back John Trollope a torrid time. Shortly before half time Paine waltzed down the right, Trollope launched himself into a totally mistimed sliding tackle and went hurtling off the pitch into the barriers leaving Paine to run on to beat Mike Turner with ease for 1-1. It was hard to take and got harder in the second half when Paine set up an easy goal for some young up and coming striker called Martin Chivers, whoever he was. It was our first home defeat of the season, all the more unthinkable in that we’d given the points to Southampton of all people. Just over two weeks later Terry Paine scored a hat trick at Wembley in England’s 8-3 rout of Northern Ireland.
[quote][p][bold]RogerJ1969[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Swindonian63[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Psychedelic Syd[/bold] wrote: Enjoyed your reminiscences '63. Roger Smart always gave 110% - never stopped. Happy days.[/p][/quote]Thanks for that PS, I'm nervous about putting the article on here because I've already been put in the 'old ****' category on occasion. Roger Smart was a great player for us, not in the Don Rogers bracket but very important nonetheless. I don't think I've ever seen such a hard-working player. I can remember thinking at Wembley in '69 how fitting it was when he scored the first goal, a reward for all his selfless graft over the seasons. Yes, happy days indeed.[/p][/quote]He's here he's there he's every f???king where, Roger Smart. Read this and thought you would get to a home game v Southampton which would have been around then and my first game as an 8 year old. Happy day's and what role model's some of that Town team were.[/p][/quote]I was at the Southampton game that season which may have been the one you refer to, it was in November. Here's my recollection of it: This month (November 63) promised to be a tough one with league games against some high quality opposition as well as a third round League Cup tie with First Division West Ham. First up was a home league game against Southampton, which turned out to be a bit of a Paine. We didn’t like Southampton. Their fans always seemed to think their team were bigger and better than they were and their star player, Terry Paine, particularly annoyed us, firstly because he was a good player and secondly because he obviously knew it. Quite a few Saints fans had made the trip, contributing to a gate of almost 22,000. There had been heavy rain and the state of the pitch helped us take an early lead as a back pass stuck in a puddle and Jack Smith stabbed home a predatory goal after eight minutes. All was looking good at this point but Southampton started to get a foothold in the game and Terry Paine started to show why he’d been called up for the England squad, giving our left back John Trollope a torrid time. Shortly before half time Paine waltzed down the right, Trollope launched himself into a totally mistimed sliding tackle and went hurtling off the pitch into the barriers leaving Paine to run on to beat Mike Turner with ease for 1-1. It was hard to take and got harder in the second half when Paine set up an easy goal for some young up and coming striker called Martin Chivers, whoever he was. It was our first home defeat of the season, all the more unthinkable in that we’d given the points to Southampton of all people. Just over two weeks later Terry Paine scored a hat trick at Wembley in England’s 8-3 rout of Northern Ireland. Swindonian63

1:36pm Tue 28 Jan 14

The Jockster says...

Swindonian63 wrote:
Psychedelic Syd wrote:
Enjoyed your reminiscences '63. Roger Smart always gave 110% - never stopped. Happy days.
Thanks for that PS, I'm nervous about putting the article on here because I've already been put in the 'old ****' category on occasion.

Roger Smart was a great player for us, not in the Don Rogers bracket but very important nonetheless. I don't think I've ever seen such a hard-working player. I can remember thinking at Wembley in '69 how fitting it was when he scored the first goal, a reward for all his selfless graft over the seasons.

Yes, happy days indeed.
Yes Smarty did work hard don't know where he got the energy especially as his silver Ford Zodiac was often parked outside Popeye's house! Lol!
[quote][p][bold]Swindonian63[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Psychedelic Syd[/bold] wrote: Enjoyed your reminiscences '63. Roger Smart always gave 110% - never stopped. Happy days.[/p][/quote]Thanks for that PS, I'm nervous about putting the article on here because I've already been put in the 'old ****' category on occasion. Roger Smart was a great player for us, not in the Don Rogers bracket but very important nonetheless. I don't think I've ever seen such a hard-working player. I can remember thinking at Wembley in '69 how fitting it was when he scored the first goal, a reward for all his selfless graft over the seasons. Yes, happy days indeed.[/p][/quote]Yes Smarty did work hard don't know where he got the energy especially as his silver Ford Zodiac was often parked outside Popeye's house! Lol! The Jockster

1:38pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Swindonian63 says...

The artist formerly known as Marmite Soldier wrote:
Ok Swindonian63, you've given me the excuse to add this.

It's something that will appear in Saturday's programme. Reminiscing a speciality:

A week ago new signing Michael Smith made a great start to his Swindon career when he scored twice on his Town debut, but 35 years ago another Swindon debutant went one better.

Michael’s namesake and Town manager Bobby Smith paid £80,000 to Watford for the signature of striker Alan Mayes on 8th February 1979. With a weather induced break until 24th February Alan had plenty of time to meet his new team mates before his first competitive action, but then the five foot seven inch front man signalled his intent with a devastating start at Rotherham.

Town were fourth in Division Three while United were mid-table.

Goalless as the half time oranges were being prepared in the Millmoor changing room, Mayes registered his first Swindon goal as the clock ticked over to 45 minutes.

Striker Trevor Phillips equalised for the home side 11 minutes after the restart, but our new man was to capture the first of many ‘Amayes-ing’ headlines before the afternoon was done. Nineteen minutes into the second period he struck again, before rounding off his debut with a treble just two minutes later.

Alan had begun his career at QPR without making an appearance, and after a loan spell at Northampton joined the Hornets at Vicarage Road.

Fifty goals in 112 Town games saw Chelsea invest £200,000 in December 1980 to take Mayes to Stamford Bridge but in July 1983, and despite a goal almost every third game for the Blues, he was back at the County Ground on a free transfer.

Playing as part of a poor Fourth Division team he plundered another 32 goals in 72 games before leaving once more in June 1985.

Spells at Carlisle United and Newport County followed, but he wound down his playing career with a 12 match, six goal stint at Blackpool, during which Alan popped up to add his name to the score sheet at the County Ground one last time. This time however, his strike helped inflict the ignominy of a 6-2 home defeat for Town in August 1986.

In all competitions Alan Mayes’ name appeared on the credit side of Town’s score sheet no fewer than 82 times in 184 matches.

Alan Mayes surely deserves his place in Town’s Hall of Fame, but the man he beat three times on his Swindon debut also holds an interesting statistic. Tom McAlister was Rotherham’s keeper on that day in February 1979.

Perhaps deciding if you can’t beat them, join them, he had a twelve month spell at the County Ground starting in May 1980, and making just one first team appearance he kept a clean sheet in a 3-0 home win over Plymouth Argyle.

Alan Mayes may have had many moments of glory in a Town shirt, but there can’t be many Town keepers who hold a 100% clean sheet record in their entire County Ground career!
Alan Mayes was one the most naturally predatory strikers we've ever had and as you point out had a great strike ratio

Didn't Dave Hockaday score for Blackpool in that 2-6 defeat as well?
[quote][p][bold]The artist formerly known as Marmite Soldier[/bold] wrote: Ok Swindonian63, you've given me the excuse to add this. It's something that will appear in Saturday's programme. Reminiscing a speciality: A week ago new signing Michael Smith made a great start to his Swindon career when he scored twice on his Town debut, but 35 years ago another Swindon debutant went one better. Michael’s namesake and Town manager Bobby Smith paid £80,000 to Watford for the signature of striker Alan Mayes on 8th February 1979. With a weather induced break until 24th February Alan had plenty of time to meet his new team mates before his first competitive action, but then the five foot seven inch front man signalled his intent with a devastating start at Rotherham. Town were fourth in Division Three while United were mid-table. Goalless as the half time oranges were being prepared in the Millmoor changing room, Mayes registered his first Swindon goal as the clock ticked over to 45 minutes. Striker Trevor Phillips equalised for the home side 11 minutes after the restart, but our new man was to capture the first of many ‘Amayes-ing’ headlines before the afternoon was done. Nineteen minutes into the second period he struck again, before rounding off his debut with a treble just two minutes later. Alan had begun his career at QPR without making an appearance, and after a loan spell at Northampton joined the Hornets at Vicarage Road. Fifty goals in 112 Town games saw Chelsea invest £200,000 in December 1980 to take Mayes to Stamford Bridge but in July 1983, and despite a goal almost every third game for the Blues, he was back at the County Ground on a free transfer. Playing as part of a poor Fourth Division team he plundered another 32 goals in 72 games before leaving once more in June 1985. Spells at Carlisle United and Newport County followed, but he wound down his playing career with a 12 match, six goal stint at Blackpool, during which Alan popped up to add his name to the score sheet at the County Ground one last time. This time however, his strike helped inflict the ignominy of a 6-2 home defeat for Town in August 1986. In all competitions Alan Mayes’ name appeared on the credit side of Town’s score sheet no fewer than 82 times in 184 matches. Alan Mayes surely deserves his place in Town’s Hall of Fame, but the man he beat three times on his Swindon debut also holds an interesting statistic. Tom McAlister was Rotherham’s keeper on that day in February 1979. Perhaps deciding if you can’t beat them, join them, he had a twelve month spell at the County Ground starting in May 1980, and making just one first team appearance he kept a clean sheet in a 3-0 home win over Plymouth Argyle. Alan Mayes may have had many moments of glory in a Town shirt, but there can’t be many Town keepers who hold a 100% clean sheet record in their entire County Ground career![/p][/quote]Alan Mayes was one the most naturally predatory strikers we've ever had and as you point out had a great strike ratio Didn't Dave Hockaday score for Blackpool in that 2-6 defeat as well? Swindonian63

1:59pm Tue 28 Jan 14

The artist formerly known as Marmite Soldier says...

No goal for Hockaday that day 63.

You know we had better not meet up in a pub before a game. We'd bore everyone to death.
No goal for Hockaday that day 63. You know we had better not meet up in a pub before a game. We'd bore everyone to death. The artist formerly known as Marmite Soldier

2:00pm Tue 28 Jan 14

LeGod says...

With games already called off tonight in L1 and if our game is still on all the more reason as i stated earlier to play with Ranger,Smith and N'Guessan and to be a bit more direct into the chest and feet to the front men as Walsalls pitch is normally always boggy this time of year.
So i hope MC takes this into account. You have to adapt to the conditions and it could favour us if their pitch is heavy.
With games already called off tonight in L1 and if our game is still on all the more reason as i stated earlier to play with Ranger,Smith and N'Guessan and to be a bit more direct into the chest and feet to the front men as Walsalls pitch is normally always boggy this time of year. So i hope MC takes this into account. You have to adapt to the conditions and it could favour us if their pitch is heavy. LeGod

2:09pm Tue 28 Jan 14

smirg kcab says...

LeGod wrote:
With games already called off tonight in L1 and if our game is still on all the more reason as i stated earlier to play with Ranger,Smith and N'Guessan and to be a bit more direct into the chest and feet to the front men as Walsalls pitch is normally always boggy this time of year.
So i hope MC takes this into account. You have to adapt to the conditions and it could favour us if their pitch is heavy.
Dany won't even be on the coach, for some reason cooper and power wants him out ASAP
[quote][p][bold]LeGod[/bold] wrote: With games already called off tonight in L1 and if our game is still on all the more reason as i stated earlier to play with Ranger,Smith and N'Guessan and to be a bit more direct into the chest and feet to the front men as Walsalls pitch is normally always boggy this time of year. So i hope MC takes this into account. You have to adapt to the conditions and it could favour us if their pitch is heavy.[/p][/quote]Dany won't even be on the coach, for some reason cooper and power wants him out ASAP smirg kcab

2:09pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Swindonian63 says...

The artist formerly known as Marmite Soldier wrote:
No goal for Hockaday that day 63.

You know we had better not meet up in a pub before a game. We'd bore everyone to death.
You're right there!
[quote][p][bold]The artist formerly known as Marmite Soldier[/bold] wrote: No goal for Hockaday that day 63. You know we had better not meet up in a pub before a game. We'd bore everyone to death.[/p][/quote]You're right there! Swindonian63

2:27pm Tue 28 Jan 14

hertz says...

I now sometimes pofessional footballers are accusd of not havng too many smarts , but why on Saturday staring into the eye of a hurricane Sir Wes kept trying to kick the ball high , once you could accept maybe twice thinking first time he just got it wrong , but 6 or 7 times what was he thinking . Or more to the point just not thinkig which makes me have to question the training regime we curently have , 6 months ago Premierre league youngsters full of promise only 6 months ago now look tired and devoid of any direction , Cooper wa sat in the stand so surely he saw that Byrne just did'nt have a clue what his role was suppsed to be in the position he was playing , maybe 15 minutes max and Cooper should have changed it but he just watched him stand out of position clueless. When Coops finally took his place in the dug out he looked like a schoolboy lost .

COYR
I now sometimes pofessional footballers are accusd of not havng too many smarts , but why on Saturday staring into the eye of a hurricane Sir Wes kept trying to kick the ball high , once you could accept maybe twice thinking first time he just got it wrong , but 6 or 7 times what was he thinking . Or more to the point just not thinkig which makes me have to question the training regime we curently have , 6 months ago Premierre league youngsters full of promise only 6 months ago now look tired and devoid of any direction , Cooper wa sat in the stand so surely he saw that Byrne just did'nt have a clue what his role was suppsed to be in the position he was playing , maybe 15 minutes max and Cooper should have changed it but he just watched him stand out of position clueless. When Coops finally took his place in the dug out he looked like a schoolboy lost . COYR hertz

2:50pm Tue 28 Jan 14

The Jockster says...

The Jockster wrote:
Swindonian63 wrote:
Psychedelic Syd wrote:
Enjoyed your reminiscences '63. Roger Smart always gave 110% - never stopped. Happy days.
Thanks for that PS, I'm nervous about putting the article on here because I've already been put in the 'old ****' category on occasion.

Roger Smart was a great player for us, not in the Don Rogers bracket but very important nonetheless. I don't think I've ever seen such a hard-working player. I can remember thinking at Wembley in '69 how fitting it was when he scored the first goal, a reward for all his selfless graft over the seasons.

Yes, happy days indeed.
Yes Smarty did work hard don't know where he got the energy especially as his silver Ford Zodiac was often parked outside Popeye's house! Lol!
I tell you - you post facts and the minus muppets are still ther fingers poised bless 'Em.
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Swindonian63[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Psychedelic Syd[/bold] wrote: Enjoyed your reminiscences '63. Roger Smart always gave 110% - never stopped. Happy days.[/p][/quote]Thanks for that PS, I'm nervous about putting the article on here because I've already been put in the 'old ****' category on occasion. Roger Smart was a great player for us, not in the Don Rogers bracket but very important nonetheless. I don't think I've ever seen such a hard-working player. I can remember thinking at Wembley in '69 how fitting it was when he scored the first goal, a reward for all his selfless graft over the seasons. Yes, happy days indeed.[/p][/quote]Yes Smarty did work hard don't know where he got the energy especially as his silver Ford Zodiac was often parked outside Popeye's house! Lol![/p][/quote]I tell you - you post facts and the minus muppets are still ther fingers poised bless 'Em. The Jockster

2:59pm Tue 28 Jan 14

ellory says...

Loved reading that Swindonian63! Perhaps you should start a blog where others can share their "old codger" experiences :-) would make great reading for the likes of our young fans and me (22) and provide nostalgia for the rest!
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Great to see something on here other than bickering about management, formation, ownership. All important of course, but when we reminisce about the good times I think it shows that we're all still STFC.
COYR!
Loved reading that Swindonian63! Perhaps you should start a blog where others can share their "old codger" experiences :-) would make great reading for the likes of our young fans and me (22) and provide nostalgia for the rest! . Great to see something on here other than bickering about management, formation, ownership. All important of course, but when we reminisce about the good times I think it shows that we're all still STFC. COYR! ellory

3:18pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Swindonian63 says...

Thanks for that Ellory, much appreciated. I do a 50 Years Ago article each month, I started last September. They're published at the end of each month on

www.thewashbag.com

I just like writing them, it's a bonus if people read and enjoy them. :-)
Thanks for that Ellory, much appreciated. I do a 50 Years Ago article each month, I started last September. They're published at the end of each month on www.thewashbag.com I just like writing them, it's a bonus if people read and enjoy them. :-) Swindonian63

3:31pm Tue 28 Jan 14

the don69 says...

Can we pretend we're playing at home tonight?lol. bit of advice Coops! don't over play tonight,very heavy pitch and Walsall will press us,hoping for mistakes! there's a time to boot it and a time to play, good-luck to players and fans, I'm sure we'll did it, lose away tonight again and as Grim said, Coops will only get home games and Shah away games LOL!!!!!!!!!
Can we pretend we're playing at home tonight?lol. bit of advice Coops! don't over play tonight,very heavy pitch and Walsall will press us,hoping for mistakes! there's a time to boot it and a time to play, good-luck to players and fans, I'm sure we'll did it, lose away tonight again and as Grim said, Coops will only get home games and Shah away games LOL!!!!!!!!! the don69

3:35pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Old-Stager, Hilperton says...

Swindonian63 wrote:
RogerJ1969 wrote:
Swindonian63 wrote:
Psychedelic Syd wrote: Enjoyed your reminiscences '63. Roger Smart always gave 110% - never stopped. Happy days.
Thanks for that PS, I'm nervous about putting the article on here because I've already been put in the 'old ****' category on occasion. Roger Smart was a great player for us, not in the Don Rogers bracket but very important nonetheless. I don't think I've ever seen such a hard-working player. I can remember thinking at Wembley in '69 how fitting it was when he scored the first goal, a reward for all his selfless graft over the seasons. Yes, happy days indeed.
He's here he's there he's every f???king where, Roger Smart.

Read this and thought you would get to a home game v Southampton which would have been around then and my first game as an 8 year old.

Happy day's and what role model's some of that Town team were.
I was at the Southampton game that season which may have been the one you refer to, it was in November. Here's my recollection of it:

This month (November 63) promised to be a tough one with league games against some high quality opposition as well as a third round League Cup tie with First Division West Ham. First up was a home league game against Southampton, which turned out to be a bit of a Paine. We didn’t like Southampton. Their fans always seemed to think their team were bigger and better than they were and their star player, Terry Paine, particularly annoyed us, firstly because he was a good player and secondly because he obviously knew it. Quite a few Saints fans had made the trip, contributing to a gate of almost 22,000. There had been heavy rain and the state of the pitch helped us take an early lead as a back pass stuck in a puddle and Jack Smith stabbed home a predatory goal after eight minutes. All was looking good at this point but Southampton started to get a foothold in the game and Terry Paine started to show why he’d been called up for the England squad, giving our left back John Trollope a torrid time. Shortly before half time Paine waltzed down the right, Trollope launched himself into a totally mistimed sliding tackle and went hurtling off the pitch into the barriers leaving Paine to run on to beat Mike Turner with ease for 1-1. It was hard to take and got harder in the second half when Paine set up an easy goal for some young up and coming striker called Martin Chivers, whoever he was. It was our first home defeat of the season, all the more unthinkable in that we’d given the points to Southampton of all people. Just over two weeks later Terry Paine scored a hat trick at Wembley in England’s 8-3 rout of Northern Ireland.
How scary is this ? I can also remember the Southampton Home Game in November 1963, which is more than 50 years ago.
I am watching on the Shrivenham Road side and I can remember that Southampton played in yellow shirts and black shorts, and also the young Martin Chivers winning goal.
Also I recall the away game at The Dell in 1959, when the talented Jimmy Gauld scored our goal, but we lost 5-1 on the day, and I believe their Centre Forward Derek Reeves scored four of their goals.
But Jimmy Gauld - what a great player !
[quote][p][bold]Swindonian63[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RogerJ1969[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Swindonian63[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Psychedelic Syd[/bold] wrote: Enjoyed your reminiscences '63. Roger Smart always gave 110% - never stopped. Happy days.[/p][/quote]Thanks for that PS, I'm nervous about putting the article on here because I've already been put in the 'old ****' category on occasion. Roger Smart was a great player for us, not in the Don Rogers bracket but very important nonetheless. I don't think I've ever seen such a hard-working player. I can remember thinking at Wembley in '69 how fitting it was when he scored the first goal, a reward for all his selfless graft over the seasons. Yes, happy days indeed.[/p][/quote]He's here he's there he's every f???king where, Roger Smart. Read this and thought you would get to a home game v Southampton which would have been around then and my first game as an 8 year old. Happy day's and what role model's some of that Town team were.[/p][/quote]I was at the Southampton game that season which may have been the one you refer to, it was in November. Here's my recollection of it: This month (November 63) promised to be a tough one with league games against some high quality opposition as well as a third round League Cup tie with First Division West Ham. First up was a home league game against Southampton, which turned out to be a bit of a Paine. We didn’t like Southampton. Their fans always seemed to think their team were bigger and better than they were and their star player, Terry Paine, particularly annoyed us, firstly because he was a good player and secondly because he obviously knew it. Quite a few Saints fans had made the trip, contributing to a gate of almost 22,000. There had been heavy rain and the state of the pitch helped us take an early lead as a back pass stuck in a puddle and Jack Smith stabbed home a predatory goal after eight minutes. All was looking good at this point but Southampton started to get a foothold in the game and Terry Paine started to show why he’d been called up for the England squad, giving our left back John Trollope a torrid time. Shortly before half time Paine waltzed down the right, Trollope launched himself into a totally mistimed sliding tackle and went hurtling off the pitch into the barriers leaving Paine to run on to beat Mike Turner with ease for 1-1. It was hard to take and got harder in the second half when Paine set up an easy goal for some young up and coming striker called Martin Chivers, whoever he was. It was our first home defeat of the season, all the more unthinkable in that we’d given the points to Southampton of all people. Just over two weeks later Terry Paine scored a hat trick at Wembley in England’s 8-3 rout of Northern Ireland.[/p][/quote]How scary is this ? I can also remember the Southampton Home Game in November 1963, which is more than 50 years ago. I am watching on the Shrivenham Road side and I can remember that Southampton played in yellow shirts and black shorts, and also the young Martin Chivers winning goal. Also I recall the away game at The Dell in 1959, when the talented Jimmy Gauld scored our goal, but we lost 5-1 on the day, and I believe their Centre Forward Derek Reeves scored four of their goals. But Jimmy Gauld - what a great player ! Old-Stager, Hilperton

4:20pm Tue 28 Jan 14

smirg kcab says...

the don69 wrote:
Can we pretend we're playing at home tonight?lol. bit of advice Coops! don't over play tonight,very heavy pitch and Walsall will press us,hoping for mistakes! there's a time to boot it and a time to play, good-luck to players and fans, I'm sure we'll did it, lose away tonight again and as Grim said, Coops will only get home games and Shah away games LOL!!!!!!!!!
We are shahs black and blue army
[quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: Can we pretend we're playing at home tonight?lol. bit of advice Coops! don't over play tonight,very heavy pitch and Walsall will press us,hoping for mistakes! there's a time to boot it and a time to play, good-luck to players and fans, I'm sure we'll did it, lose away tonight again and as Grim said, Coops will only get home games and Shah away games LOL!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]We are shahs black and blue army smirg kcab

5:32pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Swindonian63 says...

Old-Stager, Hilperton wrote:
Swindonian63 wrote:
RogerJ1969 wrote:
Swindonian63 wrote:
Psychedelic Syd wrote: Enjoyed your reminiscences '63. Roger Smart always gave 110% - never stopped. Happy days.
Thanks for that PS, I'm nervous about putting the article on here because I've already been put in the 'old ****' category on occasion. Roger Smart was a great player for us, not in the Don Rogers bracket but very important nonetheless. I don't think I've ever seen such a hard-working player. I can remember thinking at Wembley in '69 how fitting it was when he scored the first goal, a reward for all his selfless graft over the seasons. Yes, happy days indeed.
He's here he's there he's every f???king where, Roger Smart.

Read this and thought you would get to a home game v Southampton which would have been around then and my first game as an 8 year old.

Happy day's and what role model's some of that Town team were.
I was at the Southampton game that season which may have been the one you refer to, it was in November. Here's my recollection of it:

This month (November 63) promised to be a tough one with league games against some high quality opposition as well as a third round League Cup tie with First Division West Ham. First up was a home league game against Southampton, which turned out to be a bit of a Paine. We didn’t like Southampton. Their fans always seemed to think their team were bigger and better than they were and their star player, Terry Paine, particularly annoyed us, firstly because he was a good player and secondly because he obviously knew it. Quite a few Saints fans had made the trip, contributing to a gate of almost 22,000. There had been heavy rain and the state of the pitch helped us take an early lead as a back pass stuck in a puddle and Jack Smith stabbed home a predatory goal after eight minutes. All was looking good at this point but Southampton started to get a foothold in the game and Terry Paine started to show why he’d been called up for the England squad, giving our left back John Trollope a torrid time. Shortly before half time Paine waltzed down the right, Trollope launched himself into a totally mistimed sliding tackle and went hurtling off the pitch into the barriers leaving Paine to run on to beat Mike Turner with ease for 1-1. It was hard to take and got harder in the second half when Paine set up an easy goal for some young up and coming striker called Martin Chivers, whoever he was. It was our first home defeat of the season, all the more unthinkable in that we’d given the points to Southampton of all people. Just over two weeks later Terry Paine scored a hat trick at Wembley in England’s 8-3 rout of Northern Ireland.
How scary is this ? I can also remember the Southampton Home Game in November 1963, which is more than 50 years ago.
I am watching on the Shrivenham Road side and I can remember that Southampton played in yellow shirts and black shorts, and also the young Martin Chivers winning goal.
Also I recall the away game at The Dell in 1959, when the talented Jimmy Gauld scored our goal, but we lost 5-1 on the day, and I believe their Centre Forward Derek Reeves scored four of their goals.
But Jimmy Gauld - what a great player !
Jimmy Gauld was before my time so, sadly, my only knowledge of him relates to the 1964 betting scandal. That was four years after he left us and by that time he'd finished playing. It seems he implicated Peter Swan, Tony Kay (who I saw playing for Everton against us in an FA Cup tie) and David 'Bronco' Layne (ex Town centre forward who was at Town at the same time as Gauld) and then got four years as the ringleader.

Dark times!
[quote][p][bold]Old-Stager, Hilperton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Swindonian63[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RogerJ1969[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Swindonian63[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Psychedelic Syd[/bold] wrote: Enjoyed your reminiscences '63. Roger Smart always gave 110% - never stopped. Happy days.[/p][/quote]Thanks for that PS, I'm nervous about putting the article on here because I've already been put in the 'old ****' category on occasion. Roger Smart was a great player for us, not in the Don Rogers bracket but very important nonetheless. I don't think I've ever seen such a hard-working player. I can remember thinking at Wembley in '69 how fitting it was when he scored the first goal, a reward for all his selfless graft over the seasons. Yes, happy days indeed.[/p][/quote]He's here he's there he's every f???king where, Roger Smart. Read this and thought you would get to a home game v Southampton which would have been around then and my first game as an 8 year old. Happy day's and what role model's some of that Town team were.[/p][/quote]I was at the Southampton game that season which may have been the one you refer to, it was in November. Here's my recollection of it: This month (November 63) promised to be a tough one with league games against some high quality opposition as well as a third round League Cup tie with First Division West Ham. First up was a home league game against Southampton, which turned out to be a bit of a Paine. We didn’t like Southampton. Their fans always seemed to think their team were bigger and better than they were and their star player, Terry Paine, particularly annoyed us, firstly because he was a good player and secondly because he obviously knew it. Quite a few Saints fans had made the trip, contributing to a gate of almost 22,000. There had been heavy rain and the state of the pitch helped us take an early lead as a back pass stuck in a puddle and Jack Smith stabbed home a predatory goal after eight minutes. All was looking good at this point but Southampton started to get a foothold in the game and Terry Paine started to show why he’d been called up for the England squad, giving our left back John Trollope a torrid time. Shortly before half time Paine waltzed down the right, Trollope launched himself into a totally mistimed sliding tackle and went hurtling off the pitch into the barriers leaving Paine to run on to beat Mike Turner with ease for 1-1. It was hard to take and got harder in the second half when Paine set up an easy goal for some young up and coming striker called Martin Chivers, whoever he was. It was our first home defeat of the season, all the more unthinkable in that we’d given the points to Southampton of all people. Just over two weeks later Terry Paine scored a hat trick at Wembley in England’s 8-3 rout of Northern Ireland.[/p][/quote]How scary is this ? I can also remember the Southampton Home Game in November 1963, which is more than 50 years ago. I am watching on the Shrivenham Road side and I can remember that Southampton played in yellow shirts and black shorts, and also the young Martin Chivers winning goal. Also I recall the away game at The Dell in 1959, when the talented Jimmy Gauld scored our goal, but we lost 5-1 on the day, and I believe their Centre Forward Derek Reeves scored four of their goals. But Jimmy Gauld - what a great player ![/p][/quote]Jimmy Gauld was before my time so, sadly, my only knowledge of him relates to the 1964 betting scandal. That was four years after he left us and by that time he'd finished playing. It seems he implicated Peter Swan, Tony Kay (who I saw playing for Everton against us in an FA Cup tie) and David 'Bronco' Layne (ex Town centre forward who was at Town at the same time as Gauld) and then got four years as the ringleader. Dark times! Swindonian63

5:33pm Tue 28 Jan 14

alchafreds says...

The Jockster wrote:
The Jockster wrote:
Swindonian63 wrote:
Psychedelic Syd wrote:
Enjoyed your reminiscences '63. Roger Smart always gave 110% - never stopped. Happy days.
Thanks for that PS, I'm nervous about putting the article on here because I've already been put in the 'old ****' category on occasion.

Roger Smart was a great player for us, not in the Don Rogers bracket but very important nonetheless. I don't think I've ever seen such a hard-working player. I can remember thinking at Wembley in '69 how fitting it was when he scored the first goal, a reward for all his selfless graft over the seasons.

Yes, happy days indeed.
Yes Smarty did work hard don't know where he got the energy especially as his silver Ford Zodiac was often parked outside Popeye's house! Lol!
I tell you - you post facts and the minus muppets are still ther fingers poised bless 'Em.
dont think your allowed to tell it how it is on here ; (
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Swindonian63[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Psychedelic Syd[/bold] wrote: Enjoyed your reminiscences '63. Roger Smart always gave 110% - never stopped. Happy days.[/p][/quote]Thanks for that PS, I'm nervous about putting the article on here because I've already been put in the 'old ****' category on occasion. Roger Smart was a great player for us, not in the Don Rogers bracket but very important nonetheless. I don't think I've ever seen such a hard-working player. I can remember thinking at Wembley in '69 how fitting it was when he scored the first goal, a reward for all his selfless graft over the seasons. Yes, happy days indeed.[/p][/quote]Yes Smarty did work hard don't know where he got the energy especially as his silver Ford Zodiac was often parked outside Popeye's house! Lol![/p][/quote]I tell you - you post facts and the minus muppets are still ther fingers poised bless 'Em.[/p][/quote]dont think your allowed to tell it how it is on here ; ( alchafreds

6:32pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Oi Den! says...

smirg kcab wrote:
the don69 wrote:
Can we pretend we're playing at home tonight?lol. bit of advice Coops! don't over play tonight,very heavy pitch and Walsall will press us,hoping for mistakes! there's a time to boot it and a time to play, good-luck to players and fans, I'm sure we'll did it, lose away tonight again and as Grim said, Coops will only get home games and Shah away games LOL!!!!!!!!!
We are shahs black and blue army
I've heard Ms Shah is to be at the game for BBC Wilts tonight to provide a simplified commentary on the kit. Anyone expecting to be told the colour might be disappointed though, as the club has been "counselled" that it would be unwise to disclose that much detail to the listeners at this delicate stage.
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: Can we pretend we're playing at home tonight?lol. bit of advice Coops! don't over play tonight,very heavy pitch and Walsall will press us,hoping for mistakes! there's a time to boot it and a time to play, good-luck to players and fans, I'm sure we'll did it, lose away tonight again and as Grim said, Coops will only get home games and Shah away games LOL!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]We are shahs black and blue army[/p][/quote]I've heard Ms Shah is to be at the game for BBC Wilts tonight to provide a simplified commentary on the kit. Anyone expecting to be told the colour might be disappointed though, as the club has been "counselled" that it would be unwise to disclose that much detail to the listeners at this delicate stage. Oi Den!

7:00pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Brainy_G93 says...

Town starting XI v Walsall: Foderingham, Thompson N, Branco, Ward (C), Reckord, Kasim, Luongo, Thompson L, Pritchard, Ranger, Smith

Subs: Belford, Byrne, Harley, Barthram, Barker, Storey, Gladwin
Town starting XI v Walsall: Foderingham, Thompson N, Branco, Ward (C), Reckord, Kasim, Luongo, Thompson L, Pritchard, Ranger, Smith Subs: Belford, Byrne, Harley, Barthram, Barker, Storey, Gladwin Brainy_G93

10:20pm Tue 28 Jan 14

the don69 says...

Oi Den! wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
the don69 wrote:
Can we pretend we're playing at home tonight?lol. bit of advice Coops! don't over play tonight,very heavy pitch and Walsall will press us,hoping for mistakes! there's a time to boot it and a time to play, good-luck to players and fans, I'm sure we'll did it, lose away tonight again and as Grim said, Coops will only get home games and Shah away games LOL!!!!!!!!!
We are shahs black and blue army
I've heard Ms Shah is to be at the game for BBC Wilts tonight to provide a simplified commentary on the kit. Anyone expecting to be told the colour might be disappointed though, as the club has been "counselled" that it would be unwise to disclose that much detail to the listeners at this delicate stage.
LOL Nice one Den!!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: Can we pretend we're playing at home tonight?lol. bit of advice Coops! don't over play tonight,very heavy pitch and Walsall will press us,hoping for mistakes! there's a time to boot it and a time to play, good-luck to players and fans, I'm sure we'll did it, lose away tonight again and as Grim said, Coops will only get home games and Shah away games LOL!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]We are shahs black and blue army[/p][/quote]I've heard Ms Shah is to be at the game for BBC Wilts tonight to provide a simplified commentary on the kit. Anyone expecting to be told the colour might be disappointed though, as the club has been "counselled" that it would be unwise to disclose that much detail to the listeners at this delicate stage.[/p][/quote]LOL Nice one Den!!!!!!!! the don69

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