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Summary

  • REPORTING BY SAM MORSHEAD
  • January transfer window is closed
  • Swindon Town's January transfer business complete
  • Crawley show interest in N'Guessan but no move to happen today
  • Town target Ngoo joins Walsall on loan
  • McDermott sacked by Leeds
  • Kallstrom makes switch to Arsenal from Spartak, Berbatov joins Monaco
  • Zaha and Fabio join Cardiff from Manchester Utd
  • Bridcutt moves from Brighton to Sunderland
  • AC Milan confirm Taarabt loan signing, Chelsea nab Zouma off St Etienne
  • Holtby makes loan switch to Fulham, Cottagers beat West Ham to Mitroglou

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9:23am Fri 31 Jan 14

Rebel_phish says...

Morning Sam.

I'd be quite happy if there is no activity at the County Ground today. Michael Smith seems a good acquisition. If Nile behaves himself and remains in a red shirt, then two big men up front could be the turning point for the Town and make the run in a little more exciting.

I would like to see some of the fringe players off loaded though to help with cash flow, but don't suppose that will happen until the summer.
Morning Sam. I'd be quite happy if there is no activity at the County Ground today. Michael Smith seems a good acquisition. If Nile behaves himself and remains in a red shirt, then two big men up front could be the turning point for the Town and make the run in a little more exciting. I would like to see some of the fringe players off loaded though to help with cash flow, but don't suppose that will happen until the summer. Rebel_phish
  • Score: 1

9:36am Fri 31 Jan 14

swindonjason says...

Lets just sit back and watch the big clubs splash and waste their cash and pay over-the-market prices for their wanted players, something quite rightly will not be entertained at Swindon.

I will have a keen eye on our existing players both permanent and on-loan and hope the key players remain at the club
Lets just sit back and watch the big clubs splash and waste their cash and pay over-the-market prices for their wanted players, something quite rightly will not be entertained at Swindon. I will have a keen eye on our existing players both permanent and on-loan and hope the key players remain at the club swindonjason
  • Score: 0

9:57am Fri 31 Jan 14

Graham8181 says...

Cooper signs a decent defender .... DREAM ON !!!!
Cooper signs a decent defender .... DREAM ON !!!! Graham8181
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11:19am Fri 31 Jan 14

Oxon-Red says...

Graham8181 wrote:
Cooper signs a decent defender .... DREAM ON !!!!
Who did DREAM play for :-)

Cooper signs Cheque to pay his leccy bill !

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]Graham8181[/bold] wrote: Cooper signs a decent defender .... DREAM ON !!!![/p][/quote]Who did DREAM play for :-) Cooper signs Cheque to pay his leccy bill ! COYMR Oxon-Red
  • Score: 1

11:38am Fri 31 Jan 14

Townend80 says...

Deadline day is not deadline way without Harry Redknapp being interviewed hanging out his car window #fact
Deadline day is not deadline way without Harry Redknapp being interviewed hanging out his car window #fact Townend80
  • Score: 0

2:31pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Oxon-Red says...

Are your refering to D REAM ?

If that is the case then "Things can only get better" :-)

COYMR
Are your refering to D REAM ? If that is the case then "Things can only get better" :-) COYMR Oxon-Red
  • Score: 0

2:33pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Oxon-Red says...

Done deal, Coke to Old Etonians fee undisclosed #hashtag
Done deal, Coke to Old Etonians fee undisclosed #hashtag Oxon-Red
  • Score: 0

2:40pm Fri 31 Jan 14

the don69 says...

Oxon-Red wrote:
Are your refering to D REAM ?

If that is the case then "Things can only get better" :-)

COYMR
Have we signed Tony Blair? heard his mate Ed Balls thinks he can play a bit! they'd wouldn't know what the score was cause they can't count!!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: Are your refering to D REAM ? If that is the case then "Things can only get better" :-) COYMR[/p][/quote]Have we signed Tony Blair? heard his mate Ed Balls thinks he can play a bit! they'd wouldn't know what the score was cause they can't count!!!!!!!! the don69
  • Score: -2

3:03pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Oxon-Red says...

the don69 wrote:
Oxon-Red wrote: Are your refering to D REAM ? If that is the case then "Things can only get better" :-) COYMR
Have we signed Tony Blair? heard his mate Ed Balls thinks he can play a bit! they'd wouldn't know what the score was cause they can't count!!!!!!!!
We haven't signed Tony but a few on here think we need a defender that can Ead Balls so maybe his mate would be a good signing :-0

Done Deal: Jimmy Cricket (Forest Green) to Grasshoppers (Zurich) initial fee £10,000 jumping to £20,000 after 30 appearances #junglesounds

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: Are your refering to D REAM ? If that is the case then "Things can only get better" :-) COYMR[/p][/quote]Have we signed Tony Blair? heard his mate Ed Balls thinks he can play a bit! they'd wouldn't know what the score was cause they can't count!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]We haven't signed Tony but a few on here think we need a defender that can Ead Balls so maybe his mate would be a good signing :-0 Done Deal: Jimmy Cricket (Forest Green) to Grasshoppers (Zurich) initial fee £10,000 jumping to £20,000 after 30 appearances #junglesounds COYMR Oxon-Red
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3:26pm Fri 31 Jan 14

old town robin says...

Weather is shocking, thinking of building an ark, 12 hours of this and game could be in doubt.
Weather is shocking, thinking of building an ark, 12 hours of this and game could be in doubt. old town robin
  • Score: 0

4:06pm Fri 31 Jan 14

interyournan says...

Emile Heskey spotted scabbing roll-ups at Swindon bus station. Destination unknown...
Emile Heskey spotted scabbing roll-ups at Swindon bus station. Destination unknown... interyournan
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4:39pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Since 1950 says...

Off subject, but more pertinent. It's been hammering down here in Stroud. Can't think Swindon would be any different. Is the game in danger tomorrow? Don't want another wasted journey like a few weeks ago!.

COYR!
Off subject, but more pertinent. It's been hammering down here in Stroud. Can't think Swindon would be any different. Is the game in danger tomorrow? Don't want another wasted journey like a few weeks ago!. COYR! Since 1950
  • Score: 2

4:55pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Since 1950 says...

Thanks' Sam. Missed that. I don't mind the game being off so much. I just couldn't stand another B********G off her indoors because I spent the afternoon in the Tap n Barrel!! :-(

COYR!
Thanks' Sam. Missed that. I don't mind the game being off so much. I just couldn't stand another B********G off her indoors because I spent the afternoon in the Tap n Barrel!! :-( COYR! Since 1950
  • Score: 0

5:35pm Fri 31 Jan 14

wobble-o-3 says...

Leon Clarke sold for £750,000 .... Jesus!
Leon Clarke sold for £750,000 .... Jesus! wobble-o-3
  • Score: 1

6:10pm Fri 31 Jan 14

umpcah says...

wobble-o-3 wrote:
Leon Clarke sold for £750,000 .... Jesus!
Probably worth it ! Look how he`s banged `em in since he left Swindon Town.
[quote][p][bold]wobble-o-3[/bold] wrote: Leon Clarke sold for £750,000 .... Jesus![/p][/quote]Probably worth it ! Look how he`s banged `em in since he left Swindon Town. umpcah
  • Score: 0

6:23pm Fri 31 Jan 14

wobble-o-3 says...

umpcah wrote:
wobble-o-3 wrote:
Leon Clarke sold for £750,000 .... Jesus!
Probably worth it ! Look how he`s banged `em in since he left Swindon Town.
Agree, I know what is past is past, but if had just knuckled down he could of been a town legend, and we could have made a tidy profit. Never mind, no one is bigger than the club .....except Ruddock and his xxxxxxl kit ;-)
[quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wobble-o-3[/bold] wrote: Leon Clarke sold for £750,000 .... Jesus![/p][/quote]Probably worth it ! Look how he`s banged `em in since he left Swindon Town.[/p][/quote]Agree, I know what is past is past, but if had just knuckled down he could of been a town legend, and we could have made a tidy profit. Never mind, no one is bigger than the club .....except Ruddock and his xxxxxxl kit ;-) wobble-o-3
  • Score: 3

8:07pm Fri 31 Jan 14

andy5364 says...

Pritchard still here !!! Makes me laugh reading some of the nonense people claim to know . Looking forward to tomorrows game . Just hope it is on . Happy so far with this season and our young team . Coyr
Pritchard still here !!! Makes me laugh reading some of the nonense people claim to know . Looking forward to tomorrows game . Just hope it is on . Happy so far with this season and our young team . Coyr andy5364
  • Score: 3

8:28pm Fri 31 Jan 14

umpcah says...

BREAKING NEWS : After noting Smith`s signing for The Town , Messi wants more time to make up his mind about following suit. He likes to be in every starting eleven. Cant blame him he`s showing great potential !
BREAKING NEWS : After noting Smith`s signing for The Town , Messi wants more time to make up his mind about following suit. He likes to be in every starting eleven. Cant blame him he`s showing great potential ! umpcah
  • Score: -2

8:31pm Fri 31 Jan 14

smirg kcab says...

Bloke from the undatables has got the Leeds managers job
Bloke from the undatables has got the Leeds managers job smirg kcab
  • Score: -6

8:44pm Fri 31 Jan 14

jayden says...

Rocking Robin in a swap deal for Flint.
Rocking Robin in a swap deal for Flint. jayden
  • Score: 0

9:17pm Fri 31 Jan 14

mancrobin says...

So, verdict overall on Fredi's predictions? I think it rhymes with Michael Ballack, give or take a few o's and an s.
So, verdict overall on Fredi's predictions? I think it rhymes with Michael Ballack, give or take a few o's and an s. mancrobin
  • Score: 8

10:25pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Oi Den! says...

wobble-o-3 wrote:
umpcah wrote:
wobble-o-3 wrote:
Leon Clarke sold for £750,000 .... Jesus!
Probably worth it ! Look how he`s banged `em in since he left Swindon Town.
Agree, I know what is past is past, but if had just knuckled down he could of been a town legend, and we could have made a tidy profit. Never mind, no one is bigger than the club .....except Ruddock and his xxxxxxl kit ;-)
He did knuckle down. He just had a disagreement with a manager who thought he was bigger than the club. Di Canio knew how good Clarke was. Unfortunately his own ego was more important than that.
[quote][p][bold]wobble-o-3[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wobble-o-3[/bold] wrote: Leon Clarke sold for £750,000 .... Jesus![/p][/quote]Probably worth it ! Look how he`s banged `em in since he left Swindon Town.[/p][/quote]Agree, I know what is past is past, but if had just knuckled down he could of been a town legend, and we could have made a tidy profit. Never mind, no one is bigger than the club .....except Ruddock and his xxxxxxl kit ;-)[/p][/quote]He did knuckle down. He just had a disagreement with a manager who thought he was bigger than the club. Di Canio knew how good Clarke was. Unfortunately his own ego was more important than that. Oi Den!
  • Score: 1

11:05pm Fri 31 Jan 14

sp1dersw3b says...

So - what has happened to Foderingham, Pritchard, Luongo, one or both of the Thompsons going that was peddled as fact by the usual suspects on here that was a 'done deal' in this window?

Work it our for yourselves those that in my opinion only remain the majority of balanced Town fans - not these forum bullies that try and force their ignorant point of view by 'what they have heard' or 'their well informed contact has said' that tries to reduce and erode a gullible Town fan to question the running, direction and management of our club.

The forum bully will normally also back-up any derogatory statement on a player or general STFC prospect by the cowardly, in my opinion only, statement of 'Of course, I hope I am wrong' (in whatever their bad opinion was).

Look out for this in the future and dismiss such stuff as gossip only as best and ignore and just do not bother to debate as you will be wasting your time!

Fingers-crossed the game is on tomorrow and hoping, as always, and not demanding, a win for the lads.

COYR's
So - what has happened to Foderingham, Pritchard, Luongo, one or both of the Thompsons going that was peddled as fact by the usual suspects on here that was a 'done deal' in this window? Work it our for yourselves those that in my opinion only remain the majority of balanced Town fans - not these forum bullies that try and force their ignorant point of view by 'what they have heard' or 'their well informed contact has said' that tries to reduce and erode a gullible Town fan to question the running, direction and management of our club. The forum bully will normally also back-up any derogatory statement on a player or general STFC prospect by the cowardly, in my opinion only, statement of 'Of course, I hope I am wrong' (in whatever their bad opinion was). Look out for this in the future and dismiss such stuff as gossip only as best and ignore and just do not bother to debate as you will be wasting your time! Fingers-crossed the game is on tomorrow and hoping, as always, and not demanding, a win for the lads. COYR's sp1dersw3b
  • Score: 7

11:19pm Fri 31 Jan 14

mancrobin says...

Oi Den! wrote:
wobble-o-3 wrote:
umpcah wrote:
wobble-o-3 wrote:
Leon Clarke sold for £750,000 .... Jesus!
Probably worth it ! Look how he`s banged `em in since he left Swindon Town.
Agree, I know what is past is past, but if had just knuckled down he could of been a town legend, and we could have made a tidy profit. Never mind, no one is bigger than the club .....except Ruddock and his xxxxxxl kit ;-)
He did knuckle down. He just had a disagreement with a manager who thought he was bigger than the club. Di Canio knew how good Clarke was. Unfortunately his own ego was more important than that.
I think the problem was Den that they both thought they were bigger than the Club, both with big egos. As you know, I was not a PdC fan but I did back him in that spat and still do. We don't know all the ins and outs but Clarke was totally out of order expressing his views so publically. Ironically, as PdC was on many other occasions. I'm glad we're shot of the pair of them.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wobble-o-3[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wobble-o-3[/bold] wrote: Leon Clarke sold for £750,000 .... Jesus![/p][/quote]Probably worth it ! Look how he`s banged `em in since he left Swindon Town.[/p][/quote]Agree, I know what is past is past, but if had just knuckled down he could of been a town legend, and we could have made a tidy profit. Never mind, no one is bigger than the club .....except Ruddock and his xxxxxxl kit ;-)[/p][/quote]He did knuckle down. He just had a disagreement with a manager who thought he was bigger than the club. Di Canio knew how good Clarke was. Unfortunately his own ego was more important than that.[/p][/quote]I think the problem was Den that they both thought they were bigger than the Club, both with big egos. As you know, I was not a PdC fan but I did back him in that spat and still do. We don't know all the ins and outs but Clarke was totally out of order expressing his views so publically. Ironically, as PdC was on many other occasions. I'm glad we're shot of the pair of them. mancrobin
  • Score: 1

11:52pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Oi Den! says...

Manc, I think PDC proved over a long period that he thought he was bigger than the club. Yes, both of them should have known better but Di Canio was supposed to be a manager of people and he was supposed to have the best interests of the club at heart. He threw away a lot of money by ditching Clarke. He didn't care a jot about that because he thought the tap could be turned on whenever he wished. What he was really doing was chipping away at the patience of the club's benefactor. PDC delivered charisma and excitement in abundance but a quieter manager could have achieved as much with a lot less fuss and expense - and we might still have had strong financial backing, which I would have liked but which is apparently not what many people want.
Manc, I think PDC proved over a long period that he thought he was bigger than the club. Yes, both of them should have known better but Di Canio was supposed to be a manager of people and he was supposed to have the best interests of the club at heart. He threw away a lot of money by ditching Clarke. He didn't care a jot about that because he thought the tap could be turned on whenever he wished. What he was really doing was chipping away at the patience of the club's benefactor. PDC delivered charisma and excitement in abundance but a quieter manager could have achieved as much with a lot less fuss and expense - and we might still have had strong financial backing, which I would have liked but which is apparently not what many people want. Oi Den!
  • Score: 0

12:15am Sat 1 Feb 14

mancrobin says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Manc, I think PDC proved over a long period that he thought he was bigger than the club. Yes, both of them should have known better but Di Canio was supposed to be a manager of people and he was supposed to have the best interests of the club at heart. He threw away a lot of money by ditching Clarke. He didn't care a jot about that because he thought the tap could be turned on whenever he wished. What he was really doing was chipping away at the patience of the club's benefactor. PDC delivered charisma and excitement in abundance but a quieter manager could have achieved as much with a lot less fuss and expense - and we might still have had strong financial backing, which I would have liked but which is apparently not what many people want.
Yes, point well made up to the last few lines.

Rich benefactors either get taken for a ride or get bored and then meltdown normally follows. It happened with Black. My benchmark is Jack Walker. He loved Blavkburn Rovers so much that he put huge sums in to the club and went to great lengths to organise his succession. You don't get better benefactors than that. Look where Rovers are now. Not much different from when I went to see them in 1988 when I moved up North.

Sustainable growth comes from sustainable business models, not rich benefactors.

I've a lot of mates who are City fans. It will end in tears.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Manc, I think PDC proved over a long period that he thought he was bigger than the club. Yes, both of them should have known better but Di Canio was supposed to be a manager of people and he was supposed to have the best interests of the club at heart. He threw away a lot of money by ditching Clarke. He didn't care a jot about that because he thought the tap could be turned on whenever he wished. What he was really doing was chipping away at the patience of the club's benefactor. PDC delivered charisma and excitement in abundance but a quieter manager could have achieved as much with a lot less fuss and expense - and we might still have had strong financial backing, which I would have liked but which is apparently not what many people want.[/p][/quote]Yes, point well made up to the last few lines. Rich benefactors either get taken for a ride or get bored and then meltdown normally follows. It happened with Black. My benchmark is Jack Walker. He loved Blavkburn Rovers so much that he put huge sums in to the club and went to great lengths to organise his succession. You don't get better benefactors than that. Look where Rovers are now. Not much different from when I went to see them in 1988 when I moved up North. Sustainable growth comes from sustainable business models, not rich benefactors. I've a lot of mates who are City fans. It will end in tears. mancrobin
  • Score: 0

9:40am Sat 1 Feb 14

the don69 says...

mancrobin wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Manc, I think PDC proved over a long period that he thought he was bigger than the club. Yes, both of them should have known better but Di Canio was supposed to be a manager of people and he was supposed to have the best interests of the club at heart. He threw away a lot of money by ditching Clarke. He didn't care a jot about that because he thought the tap could be turned on whenever he wished. What he was really doing was chipping away at the patience of the club's benefactor. PDC delivered charisma and excitement in abundance but a quieter manager could have achieved as much with a lot less fuss and expense - and we might still have had strong financial backing, which I would have liked but which is apparently not what many people want.
Yes, point well made up to the last few lines.

Rich benefactors either get taken for a ride or get bored and then meltdown normally follows. It happened with Black. My benchmark is Jack Walker. He loved Blavkburn Rovers so much that he put huge sums in to the club and went to great lengths to organise his succession. You don't get better benefactors than that. Look where Rovers are now. Not much different from when I went to see them in 1988 when I moved up North.

Sustainable growth comes from sustainable business models, not rich benefactors.

I've a lot of mates who are City fans. It will end in tears.
It will not end in tears at City Manc,Lansdown and his son are fans like Walker they love their club,they have blown £35m on p1ss poor management though and Lansdown has said they must cut back, I see all the doomsters were wrong again, no star players have left and Smith looks a very good signing,as for PDC he could only manage with loads of dosh, he'd be cr@p running a budget like Coops has to end of!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Manc, I think PDC proved over a long period that he thought he was bigger than the club. Yes, both of them should have known better but Di Canio was supposed to be a manager of people and he was supposed to have the best interests of the club at heart. He threw away a lot of money by ditching Clarke. He didn't care a jot about that because he thought the tap could be turned on whenever he wished. What he was really doing was chipping away at the patience of the club's benefactor. PDC delivered charisma and excitement in abundance but a quieter manager could have achieved as much with a lot less fuss and expense - and we might still have had strong financial backing, which I would have liked but which is apparently not what many people want.[/p][/quote]Yes, point well made up to the last few lines. Rich benefactors either get taken for a ride or get bored and then meltdown normally follows. It happened with Black. My benchmark is Jack Walker. He loved Blavkburn Rovers so much that he put huge sums in to the club and went to great lengths to organise his succession. You don't get better benefactors than that. Look where Rovers are now. Not much different from when I went to see them in 1988 when I moved up North. Sustainable growth comes from sustainable business models, not rich benefactors. I've a lot of mates who are City fans. It will end in tears.[/p][/quote]It will not end in tears at City Manc,Lansdown and his son are fans like Walker they love their club,they have blown £35m on p1ss poor management though and Lansdown has said they must cut back, I see all the doomsters were wrong again, no star players have left and Smith looks a very good signing,as for PDC he could only manage with loads of dosh, he'd be cr@p running a budget like Coops has to end of!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the don69
  • Score: 0

10:42am Sat 1 Feb 14

Oi Den! says...

Don, I think you might have the wrong City - the clue is in manc's name!

manc, I'm not naive enough to think money would turn us into a big and successful club. But equally I don't think there's any doubt that it's a major help. We had five good years under the Fitton consortium - and that was with a lot of mistakes being made. Imagine what we could have done if it had been managed properly.

The great thing about having money is not necessarily the ability to splash it around. It's more that it can provide the security to help us hold onto our better players, which in turn means we can build a team of our own. Although every club is a selling club, it's the ones with the least money that are forced to do the most selling - and it's often at under value.

I will always believe that Andrew Black gave our club the best opportunity it's ever had to establish itself in the Championship. Sadly, PDC was allowed to run amok and wreck that perfectly reasonable ambition.

If Black or anyone else was to walk into our club now and give it £10m, while also agreeing to fund operating losses for the next five years, would you really turn that away? I certainly wouldn't - and I find the lack of gratitude (not from you) towards Black absolutely amazing.
Don, I think you might have the wrong City - the clue is in manc's name! manc, I'm not naive enough to think money would turn us into a big and successful club. But equally I don't think there's any doubt that it's a major help. We had five good years under the Fitton consortium - and that was with a lot of mistakes being made. Imagine what we could have done if it had been managed properly. The great thing about having money is not necessarily the ability to splash it around. It's more that it can provide the security to help us hold onto our better players, which in turn means we can build a team of our own. Although every club is a selling club, it's the ones with the least money that are forced to do the most selling - and it's often at under value. I will always believe that Andrew Black gave our club the best opportunity it's ever had to establish itself in the Championship. Sadly, PDC was allowed to run amok and wreck that perfectly reasonable ambition. If Black or anyone else was to walk into our club now and give it £10m, while also agreeing to fund operating losses for the next five years, would you really turn that away? I certainly wouldn't - and I find the lack of gratitude (not from you) towards Black absolutely amazing. Oi Den!
  • Score: 0

10:52am Sat 1 Feb 14

Oi Den! says...

manc, one last thought... you suggest very clearly that wealth and a sustainable business model are mutually exclusive. It seems to me that the opposite is true. Put the two together and do you not have the perfect set-up?
manc, one last thought... you suggest very clearly that wealth and a sustainable business model are mutually exclusive. It seems to me that the opposite is true. Put the two together and do you not have the perfect set-up? Oi Den!
  • Score: 0

12:18pm Sat 1 Feb 14

candlestrobe says...

Where's fredi? Seems to have disappeared since the Adver / Town debacle.
Where's fredi? Seems to have disappeared since the Adver / Town debacle. candlestrobe
  • Score: 0

1:19pm Sat 1 Feb 14

mancrobin says...

the don69 wrote:
mancrobin wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Manc, I think PDC proved over a long period that he thought he was bigger than the club. Yes, both of them should have known better but Di Canio was supposed to be a manager of people and he was supposed to have the best interests of the club at heart. He threw away a lot of money by ditching Clarke. He didn't care a jot about that because he thought the tap could be turned on whenever he wished. What he was really doing was chipping away at the patience of the club's benefactor. PDC delivered charisma and excitement in abundance but a quieter manager could have achieved as much with a lot less fuss and expense - and we might still have had strong financial backing, which I would have liked but which is apparently not what many people want.
Yes, point well made up to the last few lines.

Rich benefactors either get taken for a ride or get bored and then meltdown normally follows. It happened with Black. My benchmark is Jack Walker. He loved Blavkburn Rovers so much that he put huge sums in to the club and went to great lengths to organise his succession. You don't get better benefactors than that. Look where Rovers are now. Not much different from when I went to see them in 1988 when I moved up North.

Sustainable growth comes from sustainable business models, not rich benefactors.

I've a lot of mates who are City fans. It will end in tears.
It will not end in tears at City Manc,Lansdown and his son are fans like Walker they love their club,they have blown £35m on p1ss poor management though and Lansdown has said they must cut back, I see all the doomsters were wrong again, no star players have left and Smith looks a very good signing,as for PDC he could only manage with loads of dosh, he'd be cr@p running a budget like Coops has to end of!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Manchester City Don.
[quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Manc, I think PDC proved over a long period that he thought he was bigger than the club. Yes, both of them should have known better but Di Canio was supposed to be a manager of people and he was supposed to have the best interests of the club at heart. He threw away a lot of money by ditching Clarke. He didn't care a jot about that because he thought the tap could be turned on whenever he wished. What he was really doing was chipping away at the patience of the club's benefactor. PDC delivered charisma and excitement in abundance but a quieter manager could have achieved as much with a lot less fuss and expense - and we might still have had strong financial backing, which I would have liked but which is apparently not what many people want.[/p][/quote]Yes, point well made up to the last few lines. Rich benefactors either get taken for a ride or get bored and then meltdown normally follows. It happened with Black. My benchmark is Jack Walker. He loved Blavkburn Rovers so much that he put huge sums in to the club and went to great lengths to organise his succession. You don't get better benefactors than that. Look where Rovers are now. Not much different from when I went to see them in 1988 when I moved up North. Sustainable growth comes from sustainable business models, not rich benefactors. I've a lot of mates who are City fans. It will end in tears.[/p][/quote]It will not end in tears at City Manc,Lansdown and his son are fans like Walker they love their club,they have blown £35m on p1ss poor management though and Lansdown has said they must cut back, I see all the doomsters were wrong again, no star players have left and Smith looks a very good signing,as for PDC he could only manage with loads of dosh, he'd be cr@p running a budget like Coops has to end of!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Manchester City Don. mancrobin
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3:10pm Sat 1 Feb 14

mancrobin says...

Oi Den! wrote:
manc, one last thought... you suggest very clearly that wealth and a sustainable business model are mutually exclusive. It seems to me that the opposite is true. Put the two together and do you not have the perfect set-up?
Den, I take your point about how the wealth is managed being important but it can only be sustained if the scale of the wealthy benefactors ambition is matched by the scale of the ultimate commercial sustainability of the Club.

I know this sounds depressingly fatalistic, but just look at the top 6 finishers in the 1stDiv/Premier League over the past 100 years. There is an amazingly durable pecking order throughout the football league and we are top half, 3rd tier.

That doesn't mean to say that, well managed, we couldn't achieve higher but if that is overly propped up by external wealth and not generated from within the club, a cliff will eventually be fallen off. Blackburn proved that point. And look at Man U, Arsenal and Liverpool compared to Man City and Chelsea. I predict that the first 3 will still be up there in 10 years time. Wouldn't guarantee it for the other 2.

Let's have a fiver on it Den :)
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: manc, one last thought... you suggest very clearly that wealth and a sustainable business model are mutually exclusive. It seems to me that the opposite is true. Put the two together and do you not have the perfect set-up?[/p][/quote]Den, I take your point about how the wealth is managed being important but it can only be sustained if the scale of the wealthy benefactors ambition is matched by the scale of the ultimate commercial sustainability of the Club. I know this sounds depressingly fatalistic, but just look at the top 6 finishers in the 1stDiv/Premier League over the past 100 years. There is an amazingly durable pecking order throughout the football league and we are top half, 3rd tier. That doesn't mean to say that, well managed, we couldn't achieve higher but if that is overly propped up by external wealth and not generated from within the club, a cliff will eventually be fallen off. Blackburn proved that point. And look at Man U, Arsenal and Liverpool compared to Man City and Chelsea. I predict that the first 3 will still be up there in 10 years time. Wouldn't guarantee it for the other 2. Let's have a fiver on it Den :) mancrobin
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10:37pm Sat 1 Feb 14

Oi Den! says...

mancrobin wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
manc, one last thought... you suggest very clearly that wealth and a sustainable business model are mutually exclusive. It seems to me that the opposite is true. Put the two together and do you not have the perfect set-up?
Den, I take your point about how the wealth is managed being important but it can only be sustained if the scale of the wealthy benefactors ambition is matched by the scale of the ultimate commercial sustainability of the Club.

I know this sounds depressingly fatalistic, but just look at the top 6 finishers in the 1stDiv/Premier League over the past 100 years. There is an amazingly durable pecking order throughout the football league and we are top half, 3rd tier.

That doesn't mean to say that, well managed, we couldn't achieve higher but if that is overly propped up by external wealth and not generated from within the club, a cliff will eventually be fallen off. Blackburn proved that point. And look at Man U, Arsenal and Liverpool compared to Man City and Chelsea. I predict that the first 3 will still be up there in 10 years time. Wouldn't guarantee it for the other 2.

Let's have a fiver on it Den :)
No fiver manc - because I don't disagree with you on that. There is a pecking order. I haven't done any research but I'd say it's largely identifiable by size of home crowd. All the more reason for a small club with small crowds to benefit from well managed funding.

If we were all presented with 2 options - sensible business plan backed by capital/donations or sensible business plan with no financial support, I'm pretty sure we'd all choose the same one.
[quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: manc, one last thought... you suggest very clearly that wealth and a sustainable business model are mutually exclusive. It seems to me that the opposite is true. Put the two together and do you not have the perfect set-up?[/p][/quote]Den, I take your point about how the wealth is managed being important but it can only be sustained if the scale of the wealthy benefactors ambition is matched by the scale of the ultimate commercial sustainability of the Club. I know this sounds depressingly fatalistic, but just look at the top 6 finishers in the 1stDiv/Premier League over the past 100 years. There is an amazingly durable pecking order throughout the football league and we are top half, 3rd tier. That doesn't mean to say that, well managed, we couldn't achieve higher but if that is overly propped up by external wealth and not generated from within the club, a cliff will eventually be fallen off. Blackburn proved that point. And look at Man U, Arsenal and Liverpool compared to Man City and Chelsea. I predict that the first 3 will still be up there in 10 years time. Wouldn't guarantee it for the other 2. Let's have a fiver on it Den :)[/p][/quote]No fiver manc - because I don't disagree with you on that. There is a pecking order. I haven't done any research but I'd say it's largely identifiable by size of home crowd. All the more reason for a small club with small crowds to benefit from well managed funding. If we were all presented with 2 options - sensible business plan backed by capital/donations or sensible business plan with no financial support, I'm pretty sure we'd all choose the same one. Oi Den!
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