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Cooper challenges fringe players to shine as injuries strike again

Swindon Advertiser: Alex Pritchard is out with a medial ligament strain Alex Pritchard is out with a medial ligament strain

MARK Cooper has urged the fringe members of his Swindon Town squad to step up and prove they deserve a place in the side after the Robins were hit by another spate of injury problems.

Alex Pritchard and Louis Thompson have been ruled out of the weekend trip to Leyton Orient due to a medial ligament strain and bone bruising respectively, while Dany N’Guessan faces a late fitness test on a groin concern.

The trio are joined in the treatment room by Grant Hall, Nile Ranger and Ryan Mason, while Nathan Thompson and Jay McEveley are both suspended for the visit to Brisbane Road.

Their absences look set to give the likes of Ryan Harley, George Barker and Ben Gladwin the chance to shine against League One’s second-placed side, and Cooper is desperate for those players to take their big chance this weekend.

“We’ve got a lot of players but at the moment we’re struggling for numbers that are available to play. We have a squad, we have to get on with it, I’ve said all season that I won’t use it as an excuse,” he said.

“It gives an opportunity now for some people who perhaps think they should be in the team or the squad, and probably tell everyone they should be in the team and the squad, the chance to not tell us but show us that they should be.

“They’ll tell anyone that wants to listen and that’s normal in a football club.

“If you’re not in the team, players want and think they should be. Some players at the weekend will get an opportunity to show they should be and I hope they take it.”

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7:12am Fri 21 Feb 14

ctown_red says...

Will be a tough challenge tomorrow with some key players out, but we have enough to put up a good fight. For me if Barker does play he needs to show a lot more than what he did his last apperance.
Foderingham

Branco Troy Ward
Barthram Bryne
Kasim
Luongo Harley

Murphy N'Guessan/Reis
Smith

Still a decent team despite all the injuries
Will be a tough challenge tomorrow with some key players out, but we have enough to put up a good fight. For me if Barker does play he needs to show a lot more than what he did his last apperance. Foderingham Branco Troy Ward Barthram Bryne Kasim Luongo Harley Murphy N'Guessan/Reis Smith Still a decent team despite all the injuries ctown_red
  • Score: 11

7:33am Fri 21 Feb 14

tobruk says...

If we play anywhere near as god as we did on Monday we should get at least a point out of the game, good as Orient are! Coops just needs to make sure the forwards know where the gaps between the posts are !
If we play anywhere near as god as we did on Monday we should get at least a point out of the game, good as Orient are! Coops just needs to make sure the forwards know where the gaps between the posts are ! tobruk
  • Score: 3

7:59am Fri 21 Feb 14

London Red says...

This was the point I was making yesterday - while yes it makes things difficult we still have PLENTY of options
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I personally would like us to stick to 442 - but think Cooper has made that clear we won't
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In 442 we should go:
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Wes - Obvious
Barthram - is a RB and done well before
Troy - Obvious
Ward - Obvious
A.Smith - excelled at QPR in that role before injury
Tijane - lets see what he can do!
Kasim - Told to sit and break things up
Luongo - Told to push up as best attacking
Byrne - Has played well more advance before
Smith - Obvious
Murphy - Did OK up top against Posh so keep with him
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Then bench of Belford Branco Reckford Harley Gladwin Barker and Cox
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Most of them would be seen as first teamers - so while obviously it would be better with Ranger and Pritchard it's still a decent team
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Plus N'Guessan might be fit - so could come into contention
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If Cooper goes 451/433 - then push Byrne back and bring Gladwin in the middle to add height. Also good as box to box so allows Luongo to push on
This was the point I was making yesterday - while yes it makes things difficult we still have PLENTY of options . I personally would like us to stick to 442 - but think Cooper has made that clear we won't . In 442 we should go: . Wes - Obvious Barthram - is a RB and done well before Troy - Obvious Ward - Obvious A.Smith - excelled at QPR in that role before injury Tijane - lets see what he can do! Kasim - Told to sit and break things up Luongo - Told to push up as best attacking Byrne - Has played well more advance before Smith - Obvious Murphy - Did OK up top against Posh so keep with him . Then bench of Belford Branco Reckford Harley Gladwin Barker and Cox . Most of them would be seen as first teamers - so while obviously it would be better with Ranger and Pritchard it's still a decent team . Plus N'Guessan might be fit - so could come into contention . If Cooper goes 451/433 - then push Byrne back and bring Gladwin in the middle to add height. Also good as box to box so allows Luongo to push on London Red
  • Score: 6

8:01am Fri 21 Feb 14

Bassett Hound says...

I fancy his barbed comments are aimed at Ryan Harley.
I fancy his barbed comments are aimed at Ryan Harley. Bassett Hound
  • Score: 11

8:11am Fri 21 Feb 14

old town robin says...

ctown_red wrote:
Will be a tough challenge tomorrow with some key players out, but we have enough to put up a good fight. For me if Barker does play he needs to show a lot more than what he did his last apperance.
Foderingham

Branco Troy Ward
Barthram Bryne
Kasim
Luongo Harley

Murphy N'Guessan/Reis
Smith

Still a decent team despite all the injuries
Not a bad shout Clown_red, I have a sneaking suspicion Cooper might go for Gladwin instead of Barcham, just to add a bit more height although I personally would agree with you and give Barcham a start as he has impressed me when given his chance.

If Dany plays like I hope he does, it'll be hard to find 7 for the bench, so I think Mason although he is not fully fit may be included on the bench, our 7 could be Belford, Alex Smith, Cox, Gladwin, Barker, Mason, Reis or N'Guissen
[quote][p][bold]ctown_red[/bold] wrote: Will be a tough challenge tomorrow with some key players out, but we have enough to put up a good fight. For me if Barker does play he needs to show a lot more than what he did his last apperance. Foderingham Branco Troy Ward Barthram Bryne Kasim Luongo Harley Murphy N'Guessan/Reis Smith Still a decent team despite all the injuries[/p][/quote]Not a bad shout Clown_red, I have a sneaking suspicion Cooper might go for Gladwin instead of Barcham, just to add a bit more height although I personally would agree with you and give Barcham a start as he has impressed me when given his chance. If Dany plays like I hope he does, it'll be hard to find 7 for the bench, so I think Mason although he is not fully fit may be included on the bench, our 7 could be Belford, Alex Smith, Cox, Gladwin, Barker, Mason, Reis or N'Guissen old town robin
  • Score: 2

9:16am Fri 21 Feb 14

Robinonfire says...

Cooperman...a non league manager trying his best.
Cooperman...a non league manager trying his best. Robinonfire
  • Score: -22

9:40am Fri 21 Feb 14

hertz says...

Best tactic , taKe a bucket , spade and a deck chair they have that much sand on what is supposed to be a football pitch . COYR
Best tactic , taKe a bucket , spade and a deck chair they have that much sand on what is supposed to be a football pitch . COYR hertz
  • Score: 3

10:20am Fri 21 Feb 14

Is that you Lovesey says...

Bartram is a good player I am surprised he hasn't played more for us and for me Harley should be a starter, he gets more tackles in than the rest of the midfield.
Bartram is a good player I am surprised he hasn't played more for us and for me Harley should be a starter, he gets more tackles in than the rest of the midfield. Is that you Lovesey
  • Score: 5

10:31am Fri 21 Feb 14

joner100 says...

Why is Cooper not bringing Storey back in the midst of this crisis? Clearly he doesn't want to play him.
Why is Cooper not bringing Storey back in the midst of this crisis? Clearly he doesn't want to play him. joner100
  • Score: -4

10:37am Fri 21 Feb 14

donaldslovechild says...

Surely there is something wrong at the core of things when Cooper says publicly of players not being picked that 'They’ll tell anyone that wants to listen' that they should be in the team 'and that’s normal in a football club.'
No it isn't, because if they had a basic respect for their manager then they would keep it zipped. Cooper is a nice guy, too nice, nice guys win nothing. DiCanio was mad and indulged, but knew how to win, how to keep players fit and commanded respect. We have a group of more talented players than was ever the case under the previous regime and they need to be operating in a far tighter structure than appears to be the case. These are young boys (in the main) who need a clearly defined, professional environment to enable them to achieve. This is clearly not the case when you consider the appalling disciplinary record, the alarming number of injuries and the alternately passionless performances that continue to hold us back.
I was really looking forward to going to Orient on Saturday with the boy, but the depleted nature of the side does not fill me with hope.
COYR
Surely there is something wrong at the core of things when Cooper says publicly of players not being picked that 'They’ll tell anyone that wants to listen' that they should be in the team 'and that’s normal in a football club.' No it isn't, because if they had a basic respect for their manager then they would keep it zipped. Cooper is a nice guy, too nice, nice guys win nothing. DiCanio was mad and indulged, but knew how to win, how to keep players fit and commanded respect. We have a group of more talented players than was ever the case under the previous regime and they need to be operating in a far tighter structure than appears to be the case. These are young boys (in the main) who need a clearly defined, professional environment to enable them to achieve. This is clearly not the case when you consider the appalling disciplinary record, the alarming number of injuries and the alternately passionless performances that continue to hold us back. I was really looking forward to going to Orient on Saturday with the boy, but the depleted nature of the side does not fill me with hope. COYR donaldslovechild
  • Score: -3

10:59am Fri 21 Feb 14

Fernham Red says...

Football is a squad game, the players coming in know that if they put in a good shift the manager will have to leave them in the reckoning when the injured and banned return.
We'll get good odds on an away win with our key players out....for me that's a good enough incentive to put a low stake on an away win. The O's are in danger of 'doing a Tranmere' this season and their confidence will be hit by the fact they're slipping down the table.
They're looking down whilst we are looking up - this is a potential 6 pointer in my book as we work towards that all important top 6 position.
I fancy our chances with a bunch of young lads with something to prove!
Only 15 games left to go..........
Come on you Mighty Reds
Football is a squad game, the players coming in know that if they put in a good shift the manager will have to leave them in the reckoning when the injured and banned return. We'll get good odds on an away win with our key players out....for me that's a good enough incentive to put a low stake on an away win. The O's are in danger of 'doing a Tranmere' this season and their confidence will be hit by the fact they're slipping down the table. They're looking down whilst we are looking up - this is a potential 6 pointer in my book as we work towards that all important top 6 position. I fancy our chances with a bunch of young lads with something to prove! Only 15 games left to go.......... Come on you Mighty Reds Fernham Red
  • Score: 6

11:17am Fri 21 Feb 14

London Red says...

joner100 wrote:
Why is Cooper not bringing Storey back in the midst of this crisis? Clearly he doesn't want to play him.
Because he CAN'T!!!!!!
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There is even another article on here today clearly stating that - how do so many people not know the basic rules of a loan deal - no loanee can be recalled during the first 28 days!
[quote][p][bold]joner100[/bold] wrote: Why is Cooper not bringing Storey back in the midst of this crisis? Clearly he doesn't want to play him.[/p][/quote]Because he CAN'T!!!!!! . There is even another article on here today clearly stating that - how do so many people not know the basic rules of a loan deal - no loanee can be recalled during the first 28 days! London Red
  • Score: 6

11:35am Fri 21 Feb 14

donaldslovechild says...

Fernham Red wrote:
Football is a squad game, the players coming in know that if they put in a good shift the manager will have to leave them in the reckoning when the injured and banned return.
We'll get good odds on an away win with our key players out....for me that's a good enough incentive to put a low stake on an away win. The O's are in danger of 'doing a Tranmere' this season and their confidence will be hit by the fact they're slipping down the table.
They're looking down whilst we are looking up - this is a potential 6 pointer in my book as we work towards that all important top 6 position.
I fancy our chances with a bunch of young lads with something to prove!
Only 15 games left to go..........
Come on you Mighty Reds
That's why I'm so hacked off with the latest injuries. I felt we had a real chance of winning at Orient. They are not a great side, but are well organised and know their individual roles. I was under-whelmed when they came to us and they are in a minor slump so at 5/2, 3/1 we were definitely worth a punt, particularly as Troy has added much needed stability at the back. Hope I'm wrong and will still be there!!
[quote][p][bold]Fernham Red[/bold] wrote: Football is a squad game, the players coming in know that if they put in a good shift the manager will have to leave them in the reckoning when the injured and banned return. We'll get good odds on an away win with our key players out....for me that's a good enough incentive to put a low stake on an away win. The O's are in danger of 'doing a Tranmere' this season and their confidence will be hit by the fact they're slipping down the table. They're looking down whilst we are looking up - this is a potential 6 pointer in my book as we work towards that all important top 6 position. I fancy our chances with a bunch of young lads with something to prove! Only 15 games left to go.......... Come on you Mighty Reds[/p][/quote]That's why I'm so hacked off with the latest injuries. I felt we had a real chance of winning at Orient. They are not a great side, but are well organised and know their individual roles. I was under-whelmed when they came to us and they are in a minor slump so at 5/2, 3/1 we were definitely worth a punt, particularly as Troy has added much needed stability at the back. Hope I'm wrong and will still be there!! donaldslovechild
  • Score: 1

11:53am Fri 21 Feb 14

LionelHutz says...

Earlier in the season we would no doubt have crumbled with all these injuries. However, we have now made some signings and have 3 players back from long-term injuries. The defence looks far better with TAH in it and we have options at full back. I've been impressed with Gladwin when he's come in and would put him in the side to replace Louis.

N'Guessan and Smith would be a decent pairing up front and Tijane or Murphy can replace Pritchard.

Every club gets injuries, especially with the pitches being like swamps due to the inclement weather. Our squad is probably stronger than most so we should be able to cope, as long as the situation doesn't get too much worse!
Earlier in the season we would no doubt have crumbled with all these injuries. However, we have now made some signings and have 3 players back from long-term injuries. The defence looks far better with TAH in it and we have options at full back. I've been impressed with Gladwin when he's come in and would put him in the side to replace Louis. N'Guessan and Smith would be a decent pairing up front and Tijane or Murphy can replace Pritchard. Every club gets injuries, especially with the pitches being like swamps due to the inclement weather. Our squad is probably stronger than most so we should be able to cope, as long as the situation doesn't get too much worse! LionelHutz
  • Score: 3

12:16pm Fri 21 Feb 14

Fernham Red says...

I'm not sure how many of you know about it but there is a great little site called: www.transfermarkt.co
m
Loads of great stats on STFC which include ages, contract durations etc... It reveals that we actually have the largest (& the youngest) squad in League One with some 34 players. No small feat for a team "balancing the books"
Yes we do have 4 of our most consistent performers out of the team in Ranger, Pritchard, Louis and Nathan T but we have support in numbers too:
Smith and Barker for Ranger; Reis and Murphy for Pritchard; Gladwin and Harley for Louis; Barthram and Reckord for Nathan. Alex Smith and Branco also offer decent support.
Many managers in this league would love to have extra players like Lee Cox on their books too, so yes this is a testing period for us but we are a long way from being threadbare!
Dare I say that this is good management from LP and MC.
I'm not sure how many of you know about it but there is a great little site called: www.transfermarkt.co m Loads of great stats on STFC which include ages, contract durations etc... It reveals that we actually have the largest (& the youngest) squad in League One with some 34 players. No small feat for a team "balancing the books" Yes we do have 4 of our most consistent performers out of the team in Ranger, Pritchard, Louis and Nathan T but we have support in numbers too: Smith and Barker for Ranger; Reis and Murphy for Pritchard; Gladwin and Harley for Louis; Barthram and Reckord for Nathan. Alex Smith and Branco also offer decent support. Many managers in this league would love to have extra players like Lee Cox on their books too, so yes this is a testing period for us but we are a long way from being threadbare! Dare I say that this is good management from LP and MC. Fernham Red
  • Score: 13

12:23pm Fri 21 Feb 14

stutest says...

old town robin wrote:
ctown_red wrote: Will be a tough challenge tomorrow with some key players out, but we have enough to put up a good fight. For me if Barker does play he needs to show a lot more than what he did his last apperance. Foderingham Branco Troy Ward Barthram Bryne Kasim Luongo Harley Murphy N'Guessan/Reis Smith Still a decent team despite all the injuries
Not a bad shout Clown_red, I have a sneaking suspicion Cooper might go for Gladwin instead of Barcham, just to add a bit more height although I personally would agree with you and give Barcham a start as he has impressed me when given his chance. If Dany plays like I hope he does, it'll be hard to find 7 for the bench, so I think Mason although he is not fully fit may be included on the bench, our 7 could be Belford, Alex Smith, Cox, Gladwin, Barker, Mason, Reis or N'Guissen
A fair shout I think, but I would prefer to give Gladwin a chance behind the strikers, with Mass and Kas sitting a little deeper.
Last time I saw Harley play he looked decidedly half hearted and I have lost a little faith in him. Possibly this is who Cooper was refering to ?
[quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ctown_red[/bold] wrote: Will be a tough challenge tomorrow with some key players out, but we have enough to put up a good fight. For me if Barker does play he needs to show a lot more than what he did his last apperance. Foderingham Branco Troy Ward Barthram Bryne Kasim Luongo Harley Murphy N'Guessan/Reis Smith Still a decent team despite all the injuries[/p][/quote]Not a bad shout Clown_red, I have a sneaking suspicion Cooper might go for Gladwin instead of Barcham, just to add a bit more height although I personally would agree with you and give Barcham a start as he has impressed me when given his chance. If Dany plays like I hope he does, it'll be hard to find 7 for the bench, so I think Mason although he is not fully fit may be included on the bench, our 7 could be Belford, Alex Smith, Cox, Gladwin, Barker, Mason, Reis or N'Guissen[/p][/quote]A fair shout I think, but I would prefer to give Gladwin a chance behind the strikers, with Mass and Kas sitting a little deeper. Last time I saw Harley play he looked decidedly half hearted and I have lost a little faith in him. Possibly this is who Cooper was refering to ? stutest
  • Score: 0

12:30pm Fri 21 Feb 14

Wilesy says...

The fringe players if they want to be footballers have to take these opportunities and work their socks off if nothing else.

I like the look of Gladwin, he is raw (and not a centre forward) but looks to get involved which is why I would trust him ahead of say Barker or Harley.

Big chance for Michael Smith with Ranger out, he's not in the same class but with a run of games may end up scoring more.

Clearly once Storey's 28 day no recall clause is reached he will be brought back and should get his chance too, if he can stay fit of course.
The fringe players if they want to be footballers have to take these opportunities and work their socks off if nothing else. I like the look of Gladwin, he is raw (and not a centre forward) but looks to get involved which is why I would trust him ahead of say Barker or Harley. Big chance for Michael Smith with Ranger out, he's not in the same class but with a run of games may end up scoring more. Clearly once Storey's 28 day no recall clause is reached he will be brought back and should get his chance too, if he can stay fit of course. Wilesy
  • Score: 1

12:48pm Fri 21 Feb 14

Swindon1984 says...

Wilesy wrote:
The fringe players if they want to be footballers have to take these opportunities and work their socks off if nothing else. I like the look of Gladwin, he is raw (and not a centre forward) but looks to get involved which is why I would trust him ahead of say Barker or Harley. Big chance for Michael Smith with Ranger out, he's not in the same class but with a run of games may end up scoring more. Clearly once Storey's 28 day no recall clause is reached he will be brought back and should get his chance too, if he can stay fit of course.
Absolutely agree, the work rate should be 100% from everyone all the time but especially with players trying to get into the side.

I can't see why we can't get at least a point from the game, if every man jack of them harries and presses and plays for the whole ninety minutes making it uncomfortable for Orient. That's not to say I'm expecting anything from the game, but on paper we have enough cover and a decent enough team to grind out a result away if everyone puts a good shift in.
[quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: The fringe players if they want to be footballers have to take these opportunities and work their socks off if nothing else. I like the look of Gladwin, he is raw (and not a centre forward) but looks to get involved which is why I would trust him ahead of say Barker or Harley. Big chance for Michael Smith with Ranger out, he's not in the same class but with a run of games may end up scoring more. Clearly once Storey's 28 day no recall clause is reached he will be brought back and should get his chance too, if he can stay fit of course.[/p][/quote]Absolutely agree, the work rate should be 100% from everyone all the time but especially with players trying to get into the side. I can't see why we can't get at least a point from the game, if every man jack of them harries and presses and plays for the whole ninety minutes making it uncomfortable for Orient. That's not to say I'm expecting anything from the game, but on paper we have enough cover and a decent enough team to grind out a result away if everyone puts a good shift in. Swindon1984
  • Score: 1

1:16pm Fri 21 Feb 14

carnegie says...

Is that you Lovesey wrote:
Bartram is a good player I am surprised he hasn't played more for us and for me Harley should be a starter, he gets more tackles in than the rest of the midfield.
Both players are ok when the team are on top in a game. When there is a battle going on no thank you. Harley a midfield ball-winner? What games have you been watching?
[quote][p][bold]Is that you Lovesey[/bold] wrote: Bartram is a good player I am surprised he hasn't played more for us and for me Harley should be a starter, he gets more tackles in than the rest of the midfield.[/p][/quote]Both players are ok when the team are on top in a game. When there is a battle going on no thank you. Harley a midfield ball-winner? What games have you been watching? carnegie
  • Score: 4

2:12pm Fri 21 Feb 14

lifelong red says...

Whatever the team or formation cooper chooses- lets grab em by the throat from the first whistle and not let go until the final whistle blows.
Whatever the team or formation cooper chooses- lets grab em by the throat from the first whistle and not let go until the final whistle blows. lifelong red
  • Score: 4

2:44pm Fri 21 Feb 14

ellory says...

donaldslovechild wrote:
Surely there is something wrong at the core of things when Cooper says publicly of players not being picked that 'They’ll tell anyone that wants to listen' that they should be in the team 'and that’s normal in a football club.'
No it isn't, because if they had a basic respect for their manager then they would keep it zipped. Cooper is a nice guy, too nice, nice guys win nothing. DiCanio was mad and indulged, but knew how to win, how to keep players fit and commanded respect. We have a group of more talented players than was ever the case under the previous regime and they need to be operating in a far tighter structure than appears to be the case. These are young boys (in the main) who need a clearly defined, professional environment to enable them to achieve. This is clearly not the case when you consider the appalling disciplinary record, the alarming number of injuries and the alternately passionless performances that continue to hold us back.
I was really looking forward to going to Orient on Saturday with the boy, but the depleted nature of the side does not fill me with hope.
COYR
Di Canio also would have alienated some players and undermined their confidence completely. He may have demanded respect - and indeed achieved it in some cases - but that certainly wasn't the case with everyone, and successful man management involves not just establishing your role as the authority but knowing when to be a "nice guy" to the benefit of the team.
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I hardly think a player feeling he should be in the team constitutes a lack of respect anyway, footballers (in the main) want to play football, and that isn't likely to come without some confidence in their own ability. I'd rather see players who believe they are good enough stepping up to the plate and working hard to prove it, than players who admit they're dropped because they're rubbish and can't get better!
[quote][p][bold]donaldslovechild[/bold] wrote: Surely there is something wrong at the core of things when Cooper says publicly of players not being picked that 'They’ll tell anyone that wants to listen' that they should be in the team 'and that’s normal in a football club.' No it isn't, because if they had a basic respect for their manager then they would keep it zipped. Cooper is a nice guy, too nice, nice guys win nothing. DiCanio was mad and indulged, but knew how to win, how to keep players fit and commanded respect. We have a group of more talented players than was ever the case under the previous regime and they need to be operating in a far tighter structure than appears to be the case. These are young boys (in the main) who need a clearly defined, professional environment to enable them to achieve. This is clearly not the case when you consider the appalling disciplinary record, the alarming number of injuries and the alternately passionless performances that continue to hold us back. I was really looking forward to going to Orient on Saturday with the boy, but the depleted nature of the side does not fill me with hope. COYR[/p][/quote]Di Canio also would have alienated some players and undermined their confidence completely. He may have demanded respect - and indeed achieved it in some cases - but that certainly wasn't the case with everyone, and successful man management involves not just establishing your role as the authority but knowing when to be a "nice guy" to the benefit of the team. . I hardly think a player feeling he should be in the team constitutes a lack of respect anyway, footballers (in the main) want to play football, and that isn't likely to come without some confidence in their own ability. I'd rather see players who believe they are good enough stepping up to the plate and working hard to prove it, than players who admit they're dropped because they're rubbish and can't get better! ellory
  • Score: 3

2:44pm Fri 21 Feb 14

smirg kcab says...

Two days off so should be fresh.
Home banker season over
Ref will get the blame
Two days off so should be fresh. Home banker season over Ref will get the blame smirg kcab
  • Score: -11

3:02pm Fri 21 Feb 14

smirg kcab says...

ellory wrote:
donaldslovechild wrote:
Surely there is something wrong at the core of things when Cooper says publicly of players not being picked that 'They’ll tell anyone that wants to listen' that they should be in the team 'and that’s normal in a football club.'
No it isn't, because if they had a basic respect for their manager then they would keep it zipped. Cooper is a nice guy, too nice, nice guys win nothing. DiCanio was mad and indulged, but knew how to win, how to keep players fit and commanded respect. We have a group of more talented players than was ever the case under the previous regime and they need to be operating in a far tighter structure than appears to be the case. These are young boys (in the main) who need a clearly defined, professional environment to enable them to achieve. This is clearly not the case when you consider the appalling disciplinary record, the alarming number of injuries and the alternately passionless performances that continue to hold us back.
I was really looking forward to going to Orient on Saturday with the boy, but the depleted nature of the side does not fill me with hope.
COYR
Di Canio also would have alienated some players and undermined their confidence completely. He may have demanded respect - and indeed achieved it in some cases - but that certainly wasn't the case with everyone, and successful man management involves not just establishing your role as the authority but knowing when to be a "nice guy" to the benefit of the team.
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I hardly think a player feeling he should be in the team constitutes a lack of respect anyway, footballers (in the main) want to play football, and that isn't likely to come without some confidence in their own ability. I'd rather see players who believe they are good enough stepping up to the plate and working hard to prove it, than players who admit they're dropped because they're rubbish and can't get better!
He added 4,000 on the gate extra against Barnet, people moaned about the attendance but just goes to show he hooked people in.
[quote][p][bold]ellory[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]donaldslovechild[/bold] wrote: Surely there is something wrong at the core of things when Cooper says publicly of players not being picked that 'They’ll tell anyone that wants to listen' that they should be in the team 'and that’s normal in a football club.' No it isn't, because if they had a basic respect for their manager then they would keep it zipped. Cooper is a nice guy, too nice, nice guys win nothing. DiCanio was mad and indulged, but knew how to win, how to keep players fit and commanded respect. We have a group of more talented players than was ever the case under the previous regime and they need to be operating in a far tighter structure than appears to be the case. These are young boys (in the main) who need a clearly defined, professional environment to enable them to achieve. This is clearly not the case when you consider the appalling disciplinary record, the alarming number of injuries and the alternately passionless performances that continue to hold us back. I was really looking forward to going to Orient on Saturday with the boy, but the depleted nature of the side does not fill me with hope. COYR[/p][/quote]Di Canio also would have alienated some players and undermined their confidence completely. He may have demanded respect - and indeed achieved it in some cases - but that certainly wasn't the case with everyone, and successful man management involves not just establishing your role as the authority but knowing when to be a "nice guy" to the benefit of the team. . I hardly think a player feeling he should be in the team constitutes a lack of respect anyway, footballers (in the main) want to play football, and that isn't likely to come without some confidence in their own ability. I'd rather see players who believe they are good enough stepping up to the plate and working hard to prove it, than players who admit they're dropped because they're rubbish and can't get better![/p][/quote]He added 4,000 on the gate extra against Barnet, people moaned about the attendance but just goes to show he hooked people in. smirg kcab
  • Score: -1

3:07pm Fri 21 Feb 14

smirg kcab says...

No mention of cooper watching them Tuesday, perhaps he was enjoying his two days rest again, after all it must work your brain hard on how to throw a game
No mention of cooper watching them Tuesday, perhaps he was enjoying his two days rest again, after all it must work your brain hard on how to throw a game smirg kcab
  • Score: -10

3:43pm Fri 21 Feb 14

London Red says...

smirg kcab wrote:
ellory wrote:
donaldslovechild wrote: Surely there is something wrong at the core of things when Cooper says publicly of players not being picked that 'They’ll tell anyone that wants to listen' that they should be in the team 'and that’s normal in a football club.' No it isn't, because if they had a basic respect for their manager then they would keep it zipped. Cooper is a nice guy, too nice, nice guys win nothing. DiCanio was mad and indulged, but knew how to win, how to keep players fit and commanded respect. We have a group of more talented players than was ever the case under the previous regime and they need to be operating in a far tighter structure than appears to be the case. These are young boys (in the main) who need a clearly defined, professional environment to enable them to achieve. This is clearly not the case when you consider the appalling disciplinary record, the alarming number of injuries and the alternately passionless performances that continue to hold us back. I was really looking forward to going to Orient on Saturday with the boy, but the depleted nature of the side does not fill me with hope. COYR
Di Canio also would have alienated some players and undermined their confidence completely. He may have demanded respect - and indeed achieved it in some cases - but that certainly wasn't the case with everyone, and successful man management involves not just establishing your role as the authority but knowing when to be a "nice guy" to the benefit of the team. . I hardly think a player feeling he should be in the team constitutes a lack of respect anyway, footballers (in the main) want to play football, and that isn't likely to come without some confidence in their own ability. I'd rather see players who believe they are good enough stepping up to the plate and working hard to prove it, than players who admit they're dropped because they're rubbish and can't get better!
He added 4,000 on the gate extra against Barnet, people moaned about the attendance but just goes to show he hooked people in.
Do you honestly think 4,000 extra turned up just because PdC was in charge!
.
If so why did our league attendnce stay static at 8,500 under him?
.
More turned up as we were in a better position to go through (i..e. we were much better than Barnet) and the tickets were cheaper (£10 not £15) - also the Wembley situation was unknown so I personally think people paniced into going to securing a ticket - but this time realised if any one wanted one they could have 2 so didn't bother
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ellory[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]donaldslovechild[/bold] wrote: Surely there is something wrong at the core of things when Cooper says publicly of players not being picked that 'They’ll tell anyone that wants to listen' that they should be in the team 'and that’s normal in a football club.' No it isn't, because if they had a basic respect for their manager then they would keep it zipped. Cooper is a nice guy, too nice, nice guys win nothing. DiCanio was mad and indulged, but knew how to win, how to keep players fit and commanded respect. We have a group of more talented players than was ever the case under the previous regime and they need to be operating in a far tighter structure than appears to be the case. These are young boys (in the main) who need a clearly defined, professional environment to enable them to achieve. This is clearly not the case when you consider the appalling disciplinary record, the alarming number of injuries and the alternately passionless performances that continue to hold us back. I was really looking forward to going to Orient on Saturday with the boy, but the depleted nature of the side does not fill me with hope. COYR[/p][/quote]Di Canio also would have alienated some players and undermined their confidence completely. He may have demanded respect - and indeed achieved it in some cases - but that certainly wasn't the case with everyone, and successful man management involves not just establishing your role as the authority but knowing when to be a "nice guy" to the benefit of the team. . I hardly think a player feeling he should be in the team constitutes a lack of respect anyway, footballers (in the main) want to play football, and that isn't likely to come without some confidence in their own ability. I'd rather see players who believe they are good enough stepping up to the plate and working hard to prove it, than players who admit they're dropped because they're rubbish and can't get better![/p][/quote]He added 4,000 on the gate extra against Barnet, people moaned about the attendance but just goes to show he hooked people in.[/p][/quote]Do you honestly think 4,000 extra turned up just because PdC was in charge! . If so why did our league attendnce stay static at 8,500 under him? . More turned up as we were in a better position to go through (i..e. we were much better than Barnet) and the tickets were cheaper (£10 not £15) - also the Wembley situation was unknown so I personally think people paniced into going to securing a ticket - but this time realised if any one wanted one they could have 2 so didn't bother London Red
  • Score: 2

4:03pm Fri 21 Feb 14

lifelong red says...

London Red wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
ellory wrote:
donaldslovechild wrote: Surely there is something wrong at the core of things when Cooper says publicly of players not being picked that 'They’ll tell anyone that wants to listen' that they should be in the team 'and that’s normal in a football club.' No it isn't, because if they had a basic respect for their manager then they would keep it zipped. Cooper is a nice guy, too nice, nice guys win nothing. DiCanio was mad and indulged, but knew how to win, how to keep players fit and commanded respect. We have a group of more talented players than was ever the case under the previous regime and they need to be operating in a far tighter structure than appears to be the case. These are young boys (in the main) who need a clearly defined, professional environment to enable them to achieve. This is clearly not the case when you consider the appalling disciplinary record, the alarming number of injuries and the alternately passionless performances that continue to hold us back. I was really looking forward to going to Orient on Saturday with the boy, but the depleted nature of the side does not fill me with hope. COYR
Di Canio also would have alienated some players and undermined their confidence completely. He may have demanded respect - and indeed achieved it in some cases - but that certainly wasn't the case with everyone, and successful man management involves not just establishing your role as the authority but knowing when to be a "nice guy" to the benefit of the team. . I hardly think a player feeling he should be in the team constitutes a lack of respect anyway, footballers (in the main) want to play football, and that isn't likely to come without some confidence in their own ability. I'd rather see players who believe they are good enough stepping up to the plate and working hard to prove it, than players who admit they're dropped because they're rubbish and can't get better!
He added 4,000 on the gate extra against Barnet, people moaned about the attendance but just goes to show he hooked people in.
Do you honestly think 4,000 extra turned up just because PdC was in charge!
.
If so why did our league attendnce stay static at 8,500 under him?
.
More turned up as we were in a better position to go through (i..e. we were much better than Barnet) and the tickets were cheaper (£10 not £15) - also the Wembley situation was unknown so I personally think people paniced into going to securing a ticket - but this time realised if any one wanted one they could have 2 so didn't bother
So the new Wembley was unknown then- aren't you forgetting Millwall play off final- get your point about the 2 tickets situation though .
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ellory[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]donaldslovechild[/bold] wrote: Surely there is something wrong at the core of things when Cooper says publicly of players not being picked that 'They’ll tell anyone that wants to listen' that they should be in the team 'and that’s normal in a football club.' No it isn't, because if they had a basic respect for their manager then they would keep it zipped. Cooper is a nice guy, too nice, nice guys win nothing. DiCanio was mad and indulged, but knew how to win, how to keep players fit and commanded respect. We have a group of more talented players than was ever the case under the previous regime and they need to be operating in a far tighter structure than appears to be the case. These are young boys (in the main) who need a clearly defined, professional environment to enable them to achieve. This is clearly not the case when you consider the appalling disciplinary record, the alarming number of injuries and the alternately passionless performances that continue to hold us back. I was really looking forward to going to Orient on Saturday with the boy, but the depleted nature of the side does not fill me with hope. COYR[/p][/quote]Di Canio also would have alienated some players and undermined their confidence completely. He may have demanded respect - and indeed achieved it in some cases - but that certainly wasn't the case with everyone, and successful man management involves not just establishing your role as the authority but knowing when to be a "nice guy" to the benefit of the team. . I hardly think a player feeling he should be in the team constitutes a lack of respect anyway, footballers (in the main) want to play football, and that isn't likely to come without some confidence in their own ability. I'd rather see players who believe they are good enough stepping up to the plate and working hard to prove it, than players who admit they're dropped because they're rubbish and can't get better![/p][/quote]He added 4,000 on the gate extra against Barnet, people moaned about the attendance but just goes to show he hooked people in.[/p][/quote]Do you honestly think 4,000 extra turned up just because PdC was in charge! . If so why did our league attendnce stay static at 8,500 under him? . More turned up as we were in a better position to go through (i..e. we were much better than Barnet) and the tickets were cheaper (£10 not £15) - also the Wembley situation was unknown so I personally think people paniced into going to securing a ticket - but this time realised if any one wanted one they could have 2 so didn't bother[/p][/quote]So the new Wembley was unknown then- aren't you forgetting Millwall play off final- get your point about the 2 tickets situation though . lifelong red
  • Score: 0

4:08pm Fri 21 Feb 14

stfclondon says...

smirg kcab wrote:
Two days off so should be fresh. Home banker season over Ref will get the blame
Are you going tomorrow, you home banker?
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: Two days off so should be fresh. Home banker season over Ref will get the blame[/p][/quote]Are you going tomorrow, you home banker? stfclondon
  • Score: 4

4:13pm Fri 21 Feb 14

London Red says...

Play-Offs and JPT are different as more Tiers etc are open for the POs
.
Last JPT final I had no idea how the ticket situation would pan out - now I know I could turn up on the day and get one if needed - could I do that for the POs - No!
.
So why pay £15 to go out in the cold to watch a "pointless" cup semi - when you can watch it at home or in the pub - that is the attitude I think lots adopted - not no PdC no semi for me!
Play-Offs and JPT are different as more Tiers etc are open for the POs . Last JPT final I had no idea how the ticket situation would pan out - now I know I could turn up on the day and get one if needed - could I do that for the POs - No! . So why pay £15 to go out in the cold to watch a "pointless" cup semi - when you can watch it at home or in the pub - that is the attitude I think lots adopted - not no PdC no semi for me! London Red
  • Score: 2

4:17pm Fri 21 Feb 14

Wayne Allison Bromham says...

Think we will be a very average side without Nile and Pritchard. Hard to see where the goals will come from. Hope I'm wrong
Think we will be a very average side without Nile and Pritchard. Hard to see where the goals will come from. Hope I'm wrong Wayne Allison Bromham
  • Score: 0

4:23pm Fri 21 Feb 14

smirg kcab says...

London Red wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
ellory wrote:
donaldslovechild wrote: Surely there is something wrong at the core of things when Cooper says publicly of players not being picked that 'They’ll tell anyone that wants to listen' that they should be in the team 'and that’s normal in a football club.' No it isn't, because if they had a basic respect for their manager then they would keep it zipped. Cooper is a nice guy, too nice, nice guys win nothing. DiCanio was mad and indulged, but knew how to win, how to keep players fit and commanded respect. We have a group of more talented players than was ever the case under the previous regime and they need to be operating in a far tighter structure than appears to be the case. These are young boys (in the main) who need a clearly defined, professional environment to enable them to achieve. This is clearly not the case when you consider the appalling disciplinary record, the alarming number of injuries and the alternately passionless performances that continue to hold us back. I was really looking forward to going to Orient on Saturday with the boy, but the depleted nature of the side does not fill me with hope. COYR
Di Canio also would have alienated some players and undermined their confidence completely. He may have demanded respect - and indeed achieved it in some cases - but that certainly wasn't the case with everyone, and successful man management involves not just establishing your role as the authority but knowing when to be a "nice guy" to the benefit of the team. . I hardly think a player feeling he should be in the team constitutes a lack of respect anyway, footballers (in the main) want to play football, and that isn't likely to come without some confidence in their own ability. I'd rather see players who believe they are good enough stepping up to the plate and working hard to prove it, than players who admit they're dropped because they're rubbish and can't get better!
He added 4,000 on the gate extra against Barnet, people moaned about the attendance but just goes to show he hooked people in.
Do you honestly think 4,000 extra turned up just because PdC was in charge!
.
If so why did our league attendnce stay static at 8,500 under him?
.
More turned up as we were in a better position to go through (i..e. we were much better than Barnet) and the tickets were cheaper (£10 not £15) - also the Wembley situation was unknown so I personally think people paniced into going to securing a ticket - but this time realised if any one wanted one they could have 2 so didn't bother
So why do you think 4,000 never turned up then? You can't say it's because it was cheaper as you stated on numerous occasions, we hardly get any extra if they made it cheaper.
Our league gate has fallen to around 7,300 surely (and will drop)
Also I think we would have been lucky to get 18,000 if we got there IMO .(but will never know)
Was going tomorrow but after Monday I won't now, he will probably take smith off and bring gladwin on.
Also if you think murphy will be a good forward along side smith.
I'm glad I won't be going.
Home banker nothing to play for, anything under a 3-0 I will be amazed after they battered one the best home teams in the division.
I would swop cox and mooney for all our midfield player and give the £500k
Time will tell I guess hope I'm wrong but can't see us scoring, the only thing which may be guaranteed is kasim will get his 12th yellow..
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ellory[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]donaldslovechild[/bold] wrote: Surely there is something wrong at the core of things when Cooper says publicly of players not being picked that 'They’ll tell anyone that wants to listen' that they should be in the team 'and that’s normal in a football club.' No it isn't, because if they had a basic respect for their manager then they would keep it zipped. Cooper is a nice guy, too nice, nice guys win nothing. DiCanio was mad and indulged, but knew how to win, how to keep players fit and commanded respect. We have a group of more talented players than was ever the case under the previous regime and they need to be operating in a far tighter structure than appears to be the case. These are young boys (in the main) who need a clearly defined, professional environment to enable them to achieve. This is clearly not the case when you consider the appalling disciplinary record, the alarming number of injuries and the alternately passionless performances that continue to hold us back. I was really looking forward to going to Orient on Saturday with the boy, but the depleted nature of the side does not fill me with hope. COYR[/p][/quote]Di Canio also would have alienated some players and undermined their confidence completely. He may have demanded respect - and indeed achieved it in some cases - but that certainly wasn't the case with everyone, and successful man management involves not just establishing your role as the authority but knowing when to be a "nice guy" to the benefit of the team. . I hardly think a player feeling he should be in the team constitutes a lack of respect anyway, footballers (in the main) want to play football, and that isn't likely to come without some confidence in their own ability. I'd rather see players who believe they are good enough stepping up to the plate and working hard to prove it, than players who admit they're dropped because they're rubbish and can't get better![/p][/quote]He added 4,000 on the gate extra against Barnet, people moaned about the attendance but just goes to show he hooked people in.[/p][/quote]Do you honestly think 4,000 extra turned up just because PdC was in charge! . If so why did our league attendnce stay static at 8,500 under him? . More turned up as we were in a better position to go through (i..e. we were much better than Barnet) and the tickets were cheaper (£10 not £15) - also the Wembley situation was unknown so I personally think people paniced into going to securing a ticket - but this time realised if any one wanted one they could have 2 so didn't bother[/p][/quote]So why do you think 4,000 never turned up then? You can't say it's because it was cheaper as you stated on numerous occasions, we hardly get any extra if they made it cheaper. Our league gate has fallen to around 7,300 surely (and will drop) Also I think we would have been lucky to get 18,000 if we got there IMO .(but will never know) Was going tomorrow but after Monday I won't now, he will probably take smith off and bring gladwin on. Also if you think murphy will be a good forward along side smith. I'm glad I won't be going. Home banker nothing to play for, anything under a 3-0 I will be amazed after they battered one the best home teams in the division. I would swop cox and mooney for all our midfield player and give the £500k Time will tell I guess hope I'm wrong but can't see us scoring, the only thing which may be guaranteed is kasim will get his 12th yellow.. smirg kcab
  • Score: -2

4:23pm Fri 21 Feb 14

lifelong red says...

London red ... just following up about the gate for the posh game - I think Smirg has a good point when he mentions about di canio hence extra on the gate- seems feasable when you think- di canio- big name - Wembley.
London red ... just following up about the gate for the posh game - I think Smirg has a good point when he mentions about di canio hence extra on the gate- seems feasable when you think- di canio- big name - Wembley. lifelong red
  • Score: -1

4:41pm Fri 21 Feb 14

ellory says...

We were a team confident about winning the title and they were a team who only managed to avoid relegation by 2 points (and a season!) Regardless of the "how good was Paolo" debate which has been done to death, to suggest he was the result of the increased attendance alone is nonsense,
We were a team confident about winning the title and they were a team who only managed to avoid relegation by 2 points (and a season!) Regardless of the "how good was Paolo" debate which has been done to death, to suggest he was the result of the increased attendance alone is nonsense, ellory
  • Score: 1

4:43pm Fri 21 Feb 14

smirg kcab says...

London Red wrote:
Play-Offs and JPT are different as more Tiers etc are open for the POs
.
Last JPT final I had no idea how the ticket situation would pan out - now I know I could turn up on the day and get one if needed - could I do that for the POs - No!
.
So why pay £15 to go out in the cold to watch a "pointless" cup semi - when you can watch it at home or in the pub - that is the attitude I think lots adopted - not no PdC no semi for me!
I'm amazed at you, a pointless cup? I really enjoyed an open game until cooper done the unthinkable.
Wish we was still in the pointless league cup and the pointless f.a cup.and still wished we had a chance for the playoffs, you name your bet and I will double it if we get there
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Play-Offs and JPT are different as more Tiers etc are open for the POs . Last JPT final I had no idea how the ticket situation would pan out - now I know I could turn up on the day and get one if needed - could I do that for the POs - No! . So why pay £15 to go out in the cold to watch a "pointless" cup semi - when you can watch it at home or in the pub - that is the attitude I think lots adopted - not no PdC no semi for me![/p][/quote]I'm amazed at you, a pointless cup? I really enjoyed an open game until cooper done the unthinkable. Wish we was still in the pointless league cup and the pointless f.a cup.and still wished we had a chance for the playoffs, you name your bet and I will double it if we get there smirg kcab
  • Score: -2

4:51pm Fri 21 Feb 14

House with no name says...

Swindon Town Football Club resigned themselves to being a division One club that will face relegation to division 2 in 2015 when they announced the following season's season ticket prices just before a cup semi final - If they were serious about promotion to the Championship they would not have prematurely announced those Division 1 / 2 prices .

I also note all previous Swindon Town successes (apart from 1969) have been achieved in the lower divisions by top household football names - Macari, Hoddle, De Canio, Ardlis, all who could positively influence players.

Conclusion - All I read now about Swindon is so negative
Swindon Town Football Club resigned themselves to being a division One club that will face relegation to division 2 in 2015 when they announced the following season's season ticket prices just before a cup semi final - If they were serious about promotion to the Championship they would not have prematurely announced those Division 1 / 2 prices . I also note all previous Swindon Town successes (apart from 1969) have been achieved in the lower divisions by top household football names - Macari, Hoddle, De Canio, Ardlis, all who could positively influence players. Conclusion - All I read now about Swindon is so negative House with no name
  • Score: -2

5:06pm Fri 21 Feb 14

Red Since 62 says...

Fernham Red wrote:
I'm not sure how many of you know about it but there is a great little site called: www.transfermarkt.co

m
Loads of great stats on STFC which include ages, contract durations etc... It reveals that we actually have the largest (& the youngest) squad in League One with some 34 players. No small feat for a team "balancing the books"
Yes we do have 4 of our most consistent performers out of the team in Ranger, Pritchard, Louis and Nathan T but we have support in numbers too:
Smith and Barker for Ranger; Reis and Murphy for Pritchard; Gladwin and Harley for Louis; Barthram and Reckord for Nathan. Alex Smith and Branco also offer decent support.
Many managers in this league would love to have extra players like Lee Cox on their books too, so yes this is a testing period for us but we are a long way from being threadbare!
Dare I say that this is good management from LP and MC.
Think you have got it right Fernham Red but don't think that the ref will allow us to field 15 players on the basis of swapping two for one as you have outlined i.e. we play Smith and Barker in place of Ranger etc.
Only way I can see us winning at Orient is by fielding 15 players.
[quote][p][bold]Fernham Red[/bold] wrote: I'm not sure how many of you know about it but there is a great little site called: www.transfermarkt.co m Loads of great stats on STFC which include ages, contract durations etc... It reveals that we actually have the largest (& the youngest) squad in League One with some 34 players. No small feat for a team "balancing the books" Yes we do have 4 of our most consistent performers out of the team in Ranger, Pritchard, Louis and Nathan T but we have support in numbers too: Smith and Barker for Ranger; Reis and Murphy for Pritchard; Gladwin and Harley for Louis; Barthram and Reckord for Nathan. Alex Smith and Branco also offer decent support. Many managers in this league would love to have extra players like Lee Cox on their books too, so yes this is a testing period for us but we are a long way from being threadbare! Dare I say that this is good management from LP and MC.[/p][/quote]Think you have got it right Fernham Red but don't think that the ref will allow us to field 15 players on the basis of swapping two for one as you have outlined i.e. we play Smith and Barker in place of Ranger etc. Only way I can see us winning at Orient is by fielding 15 players. Red Since 62
  • Score: 1

5:07pm Fri 21 Feb 14

London Red says...

Think I said why!
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Granted PdC may have added some - but nowhere near 4,000 - thus our gates under him never shot up! Had we been breaking 10k every week I might have bought that
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Money is one major factor - again not all 4,000 but having it at £10 would have added a fair few more
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Feel Good Factor - we were stemaing L2 at the time and people wanted to be part of that - so that would have added fans
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Life - you may not have noticed but there has been an ongoing squeeze going on over the past few years - ever through some now are in a worse financial positon than before so didn't go?
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Also what about away fans Posh only took 383 - was Barnet that low?
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You can go on and on as to why fans dropped off - PdC is one factor but is not the sole reason for 4,000 fans dropping off
Think I said why! . Granted PdC may have added some - but nowhere near 4,000 - thus our gates under him never shot up! Had we been breaking 10k every week I might have bought that . Money is one major factor - again not all 4,000 but having it at £10 would have added a fair few more . Feel Good Factor - we were stemaing L2 at the time and people wanted to be part of that - so that would have added fans . Life - you may not have noticed but there has been an ongoing squeeze going on over the past few years - ever through some now are in a worse financial positon than before so didn't go? . Also what about away fans Posh only took 383 - was Barnet that low? . You can go on and on as to why fans dropped off - PdC is one factor but is not the sole reason for 4,000 fans dropping off London Red
  • Score: 2

5:29pm Fri 21 Feb 14

candlestrobe says...

smirg kcab wrote:
No mention of cooper watching them Tuesday, perhaps he was enjoying his two days rest again, after all it must work your brain hard on how to throw a game
I have reported this as a legally slanderous comment. Accusing the manager of plotting to throw games crosses the line of acceptability, and for your own good if nothing else, should not go unchallenged. I do hope no-one from the club see this accusation btw because they no doubt would demand legal retribution.
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: No mention of cooper watching them Tuesday, perhaps he was enjoying his two days rest again, after all it must work your brain hard on how to throw a game[/p][/quote]I have reported this as a legally slanderous comment. Accusing the manager of plotting to throw games crosses the line of acceptability, and for your own good if nothing else, should not go unchallenged. I do hope no-one from the club see this accusation btw because they no doubt would demand legal retribution. candlestrobe
  • Score: 3

6:05pm Fri 21 Feb 14

lifelong red says...

London Red wrote:
Think I said why!
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Granted PdC may have added some - but nowhere near 4,000 - thus our gates under him never shot up! Had we been breaking 10k every week I might have bought that
.
Money is one major factor - again not all 4,000 but having it at £10 would have added a fair few more
.
Feel Good Factor - we were stemaing L2 at the time and people wanted to be part of that - so that would have added fans
.
Life - you may not have noticed but there has been an ongoing squeeze going on over the past few years - ever through some now are in a worse financial positon than before so didn't go?
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Also what about away fans Posh only took 383 - was Barnet that low?
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You can go on and on as to why fans dropped off - PdC is one factor but is not the sole reason for 4,000 fans dropping off
Yep ok ... points made on both sides of the argument - boring subject anyway- so move on yeh .
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Think I said why! . Granted PdC may have added some - but nowhere near 4,000 - thus our gates under him never shot up! Had we been breaking 10k every week I might have bought that . Money is one major factor - again not all 4,000 but having it at £10 would have added a fair few more . Feel Good Factor - we were stemaing L2 at the time and people wanted to be part of that - so that would have added fans . Life - you may not have noticed but there has been an ongoing squeeze going on over the past few years - ever through some now are in a worse financial positon than before so didn't go? . Also what about away fans Posh only took 383 - was Barnet that low? . You can go on and on as to why fans dropped off - PdC is one factor but is not the sole reason for 4,000 fans dropping off[/p][/quote]Yep ok ... points made on both sides of the argument - boring subject anyway- so move on yeh . lifelong red
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6:13pm Fri 21 Feb 14

Chish and Fips says...

Grim - I think you pushed one button too many here ....

I know a good brief ...Marcus Christie he got Phil Mitchell in Eastenders off the hook many a time and was always there on the end of the phone.
Grim - I think you pushed one button too many here .... I know a good brief ...Marcus Christie he got Phil Mitchell in Eastenders off the hook many a time and was always there on the end of the phone. Chish and Fips
  • Score: 1

6:14pm Fri 21 Feb 14

lifelong red says...

candlestrobe wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
No mention of cooper watching them Tuesday, perhaps he was enjoying his two days rest again, after all it must work your brain hard on how to throw a game
I have reported this as a legally slanderous comment. Accusing the manager of plotting to throw games crosses the line of acceptability, and for your own good if nothing else, should not go unchallenged. I do hope no-one from the club see this accusation btw because they no doubt would demand legal retribution.
I don't think smirg meant it in the same context your thinking of - more like throw game as per making the wrong decisions - there is a difference.
[quote][p][bold]candlestrobe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: No mention of cooper watching them Tuesday, perhaps he was enjoying his two days rest again, after all it must work your brain hard on how to throw a game[/p][/quote]I have reported this as a legally slanderous comment. Accusing the manager of plotting to throw games crosses the line of acceptability, and for your own good if nothing else, should not go unchallenged. I do hope no-one from the club see this accusation btw because they no doubt would demand legal retribution.[/p][/quote]I don't think smirg meant it in the same context your thinking of - more like throw game as per making the wrong decisions - there is a difference. lifelong red
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6:18pm Fri 21 Feb 14

Chish and Fips says...

lifelong red wrote:
candlestrobe wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
No mention of cooper watching them Tuesday, perhaps he was enjoying his two days rest again, after all it must work your brain hard on how to throw a game
I have reported this as a legally slanderous comment. Accusing the manager of plotting to throw games crosses the line of acceptability, and for your own good if nothing else, should not go unchallenged. I do hope no-one from the club see this accusation btw because they no doubt would demand legal retribution.
I don't think smirg meant it in the same context your thinking of - more like throw game as per making the wrong decisions - there is a difference.
Grim will still go down for life for that ....
[quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]candlestrobe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: No mention of cooper watching them Tuesday, perhaps he was enjoying his two days rest again, after all it must work your brain hard on how to throw a game[/p][/quote]I have reported this as a legally slanderous comment. Accusing the manager of plotting to throw games crosses the line of acceptability, and for your own good if nothing else, should not go unchallenged. I do hope no-one from the club see this accusation btw because they no doubt would demand legal retribution.[/p][/quote]I don't think smirg meant it in the same context your thinking of - more like throw game as per making the wrong decisions - there is a difference.[/p][/quote]Grim will still go down for life for that .... Chish and Fips
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6:30pm Fri 21 Feb 14

smirg kcab says...

stfclondon wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
Two days off so should be fresh. Home banker season over Ref will get the blame
Are you going tomorrow, you home banker?
Twaat
[quote][p][bold]stfclondon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: Two days off so should be fresh. Home banker season over Ref will get the blame[/p][/quote]Are you going tomorrow, you home banker?[/p][/quote]Twaat smirg kcab
  • Score: -1

6:36pm Fri 21 Feb 14

smirg kcab says...

lifelong red wrote:
candlestrobe wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
No mention of cooper watching them Tuesday, perhaps he was enjoying his two days rest again, after all it must work your brain hard on how to throw a game
I have reported this as a legally slanderous comment. Accusing the manager of plotting to throw games crosses the line of acceptability, and for your own good if nothing else, should not go unchallenged. I do hope no-one from the club see this accusation btw because they no doubt would demand legal retribution.
I don't think smirg meant it in the same context your thinking of - more like throw game as per making the wrong decisions - there is a difference.
Don't worry he's not very intelligent lifelong, just goes to show how thick some are lol
[quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]candlestrobe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: No mention of cooper watching them Tuesday, perhaps he was enjoying his two days rest again, after all it must work your brain hard on how to throw a game[/p][/quote]I have reported this as a legally slanderous comment. Accusing the manager of plotting to throw games crosses the line of acceptability, and for your own good if nothing else, should not go unchallenged. I do hope no-one from the club see this accusation btw because they no doubt would demand legal retribution.[/p][/quote]I don't think smirg meant it in the same context your thinking of - more like throw game as per making the wrong decisions - there is a difference.[/p][/quote]Don't worry he's not very intelligent lifelong, just goes to show how thick some are lol smirg kcab
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6:48pm Fri 21 Feb 14

smirg kcab says...

London Red wrote:
Think I said why!
.
Granted PdC may have added some - but nowhere near 4,000 - thus our gates under him never shot up! Had we been breaking 10k every week I might have bought that
.
Money is one major factor - again not all 4,000 but having it at £10 would have added a fair few more
.
Feel Good Factor - we were stemaing L2 at the time and people wanted to be part of that - so that would have added fans
.
Life - you may not have noticed but there has been an ongoing squeeze going on over the past few years - ever through some now are in a worse financial positon than before so didn't go?
.
Also what about away fans Posh only took 383 - was Barnet that low?
.
You can go on and on as to why fans dropped off - PdC is one factor but is not the sole reason for 4,000 fans dropping off
So what is?. As said before you do your sums for the reduced games and says they make more money @£15 rather than the £10 deal with a few more.
Pdc had the ground buzzing and 1,000s were added over his reign over the season. Also virtually every away game which I only missed 3, we had 600-1,400 average week in week out. We had a job to get 300 to Walsall the other night. Don't give me that craap saying people havnt got the money, they just don't like going 170 miles to Sheffield and not have one shot, which the manager rightly got stick for and rightly so.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Think I said why! . Granted PdC may have added some - but nowhere near 4,000 - thus our gates under him never shot up! Had we been breaking 10k every week I might have bought that . Money is one major factor - again not all 4,000 but having it at £10 would have added a fair few more . Feel Good Factor - we were stemaing L2 at the time and people wanted to be part of that - so that would have added fans . Life - you may not have noticed but there has been an ongoing squeeze going on over the past few years - ever through some now are in a worse financial positon than before so didn't go? . Also what about away fans Posh only took 383 - was Barnet that low? . You can go on and on as to why fans dropped off - PdC is one factor but is not the sole reason for 4,000 fans dropping off[/p][/quote]So what is?. As said before you do your sums for the reduced games and says they make more money @£15 rather than the £10 deal with a few more. Pdc had the ground buzzing and 1,000s were added over his reign over the season. Also virtually every away game which I only missed 3, we had 600-1,400 average week in week out. We had a job to get 300 to Walsall the other night. Don't give me that craap saying people havnt got the money, they just don't like going 170 miles to Sheffield and not have one shot, which the manager rightly got stick for and rightly so. smirg kcab
  • Score: 0

6:51pm Fri 21 Feb 14

smirg kcab says...

candlestrobe wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
No mention of cooper watching them Tuesday, perhaps he was enjoying his two days rest again, after all it must work your brain hard on how to throw a game
I have reported this as a legally slanderous comment. Accusing the manager of plotting to throw games crosses the line of acceptability, and for your own good if nothing else, should not go unchallenged. I do hope no-one from the club see this accusation btw because they no doubt would demand legal retribution.
They ain't got the money
Your lucky to have a club lol
[quote][p][bold]candlestrobe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: No mention of cooper watching them Tuesday, perhaps he was enjoying his two days rest again, after all it must work your brain hard on how to throw a game[/p][/quote]I have reported this as a legally slanderous comment. Accusing the manager of plotting to throw games crosses the line of acceptability, and for your own good if nothing else, should not go unchallenged. I do hope no-one from the club see this accusation btw because they no doubt would demand legal retribution.[/p][/quote]They ain't got the money Your lucky to have a club lol smirg kcab
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9:36pm Fri 21 Feb 14

The Jockster says...

candlestrobe wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
No mention of cooper watching them Tuesday, perhaps he was enjoying his two days rest again, after all it must work your brain hard on how to throw a game
I have reported this as a legally slanderous comment. Accusing the manager of plotting to throw games crosses the line of acceptability, and for your own good if nothing else, should not go unchallenged. I do hope no-one from the club see this accusation btw because they no doubt would demand legal retribution.
Hey Candlestick - you are hilarious pmsl! What are you? Cooperman's press secretary - " you cannot be serious"
[quote][p][bold]candlestrobe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: No mention of cooper watching them Tuesday, perhaps he was enjoying his two days rest again, after all it must work your brain hard on how to throw a game[/p][/quote]I have reported this as a legally slanderous comment. Accusing the manager of plotting to throw games crosses the line of acceptability, and for your own good if nothing else, should not go unchallenged. I do hope no-one from the club see this accusation btw because they no doubt would demand legal retribution.[/p][/quote]Hey Candlestick - you are hilarious pmsl! What are you? Cooperman's press secretary - " you cannot be serious" The Jockster
  • Score: 0

6:41am Sat 22 Feb 14

MARK TITCOMBE says...

donaldslovechild wrote:
Surely there is something wrong at the core of things when Cooper says publicly of players not being picked that 'They’ll tell anyone that wants to listen' that they should be in the team 'and that’s normal in a football club.'
No it isn't, because if they had a basic respect for their manager then they would keep it zipped. Cooper is a nice guy, too nice, nice guys win nothing. DiCanio was mad and indulged, but knew how to win, how to keep players fit and commanded respect. We have a group of more talented players than was ever the case under the previous regime and they need to be operating in a far tighter structure than appears to be the case. These are young boys (in the main) who need a clearly defined, professional environment to enable them to achieve. This is clearly not the case when you consider the appalling disciplinary record, the alarming number of injuries and the alternately passionless performances that continue to hold us back.
I was really looking forward to going to Orient on Saturday with the boy, but the depleted nature of the side does not fill me with hope.
COYR
HOOORAY!!!!!!!!!!!
At long last we get a post from someone who can see the blinding reality. well done mate! You have just summed up the exact problem. I feel sorry for those young players, who may not even realise that Cooper is a waste of time for them. When they sat back and allowed Peterborough to attack for so long, it was bound to result in a goal, you could feel it coming and that's when Cooper failed yet again, to install attacking/play to win confidence in his team of extremely talented players. I manage large projects and if I was as nice as him the workers would take the p!!!!!! big time. The directors need to send him on a management course or get someone stronger. The position we are in does not reflect the talent and potential we have at STFC.
[quote][p][bold]donaldslovechild[/bold] wrote: Surely there is something wrong at the core of things when Cooper says publicly of players not being picked that 'They’ll tell anyone that wants to listen' that they should be in the team 'and that’s normal in a football club.' No it isn't, because if they had a basic respect for their manager then they would keep it zipped. Cooper is a nice guy, too nice, nice guys win nothing. DiCanio was mad and indulged, but knew how to win, how to keep players fit and commanded respect. We have a group of more talented players than was ever the case under the previous regime and they need to be operating in a far tighter structure than appears to be the case. These are young boys (in the main) who need a clearly defined, professional environment to enable them to achieve. This is clearly not the case when you consider the appalling disciplinary record, the alarming number of injuries and the alternately passionless performances that continue to hold us back. I was really looking forward to going to Orient on Saturday with the boy, but the depleted nature of the side does not fill me with hope. COYR[/p][/quote]HOOORAY!!!!!!!!!!! At long last we get a post from someone who can see the blinding reality. well done mate! You have just summed up the exact problem. I feel sorry for those young players, who may not even realise that Cooper is a waste of time for them. When they sat back and allowed Peterborough to attack for so long, it was bound to result in a goal, you could feel it coming and that's when Cooper failed yet again, to install attacking/play to win confidence in his team of extremely talented players. I manage large projects and if I was as nice as him the workers would take the p!!!!!! big time. The directors need to send him on a management course or get someone stronger. The position we are in does not reflect the talent and potential we have at STFC. MARK TITCOMBE
  • Score: 0

6:46am Sat 22 Feb 14

MARK TITCOMBE says...

ellory wrote:
donaldslovechild wrote:
Surely there is something wrong at the core of things when Cooper says publicly of players not being picked that 'They’ll tell anyone that wants to listen' that they should be in the team 'and that’s normal in a football club.'
No it isn't, because if they had a basic respect for their manager then they would keep it zipped. Cooper is a nice guy, too nice, nice guys win nothing. DiCanio was mad and indulged, but knew how to win, how to keep players fit and commanded respect. We have a group of more talented players than was ever the case under the previous regime and they need to be operating in a far tighter structure than appears to be the case. These are young boys (in the main) who need a clearly defined, professional environment to enable them to achieve. This is clearly not the case when you consider the appalling disciplinary record, the alarming number of injuries and the alternately passionless performances that continue to hold us back.
I was really looking forward to going to Orient on Saturday with the boy, but the depleted nature of the side does not fill me with hope.
COYR
Di Canio also would have alienated some players and undermined their confidence completely. He may have demanded respect - and indeed achieved it in some cases - but that certainly wasn't the case with everyone, and successful man management involves not just establishing your role as the authority but knowing when to be a "nice guy" to the benefit of the team.
.
I hardly think a player feeling he should be in the team constitutes a lack of respect anyway, footballers (in the main) want to play football, and that isn't likely to come without some confidence in their own ability. I'd rather see players who believe they are good enough stepping up to the plate and working hard to prove it, than players who admit they're dropped because they're rubbish and can't get better!
Man management is all about balance. Moral boosting is good but it has to be 100% earned. Being strong is Vital, being massively passionate is essential, etc etc. Knowing what you're doing helps lol.
BUT BEING TOO NICE IS SETTING UP FOR DISASTER
[quote][p][bold]ellory[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]donaldslovechild[/bold] wrote: Surely there is something wrong at the core of things when Cooper says publicly of players not being picked that 'They’ll tell anyone that wants to listen' that they should be in the team 'and that’s normal in a football club.' No it isn't, because if they had a basic respect for their manager then they would keep it zipped. Cooper is a nice guy, too nice, nice guys win nothing. DiCanio was mad and indulged, but knew how to win, how to keep players fit and commanded respect. We have a group of more talented players than was ever the case under the previous regime and they need to be operating in a far tighter structure than appears to be the case. These are young boys (in the main) who need a clearly defined, professional environment to enable them to achieve. This is clearly not the case when you consider the appalling disciplinary record, the alarming number of injuries and the alternately passionless performances that continue to hold us back. I was really looking forward to going to Orient on Saturday with the boy, but the depleted nature of the side does not fill me with hope. COYR[/p][/quote]Di Canio also would have alienated some players and undermined their confidence completely. He may have demanded respect - and indeed achieved it in some cases - but that certainly wasn't the case with everyone, and successful man management involves not just establishing your role as the authority but knowing when to be a "nice guy" to the benefit of the team. . I hardly think a player feeling he should be in the team constitutes a lack of respect anyway, footballers (in the main) want to play football, and that isn't likely to come without some confidence in their own ability. I'd rather see players who believe they are good enough stepping up to the plate and working hard to prove it, than players who admit they're dropped because they're rubbish and can't get better![/p][/quote]Man management is all about balance. Moral boosting is good but it has to be 100% earned. Being strong is Vital, being massively passionate is essential, etc etc. Knowing what you're doing helps lol. BUT BEING TOO NICE IS SETTING UP FOR DISASTER MARK TITCOMBE
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6:50am Sat 22 Feb 14

MARK TITCOMBE says...

H
H MARK TITCOMBE
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10:45am Sat 22 Feb 14

House with no name says...

See you all in the Conference in two years because that is where this manager belongs - Nice bloke but nice blokes they don't make good and successful managers.
See you all in the Conference in two years because that is where this manager belongs - Nice bloke but nice blokes they don't make good and successful managers. House with no name
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6:20pm Sat 22 Feb 14

MARK TITCOMBE says...

Agreed!!!
Agreed!!! MARK TITCOMBE
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