Town and Rooney end contract dispute

Adam Rooney

Adam Rooney

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ADAM Rooney and Swindon Town have come to an amicable resolution ahead of a scheduled tribunal, the Advertiser understands.

Rooney and his representatives have been involved in negotiations with Town since the summer, after former chairman Jed McCrory revealed the Robins had questioned the validity of a deal which was originally due to kick in on July 1, 2013.

The striker, currently with Scottish Premier League outfit Aberdeen, had penned an agreement with the regime of previous Swindon owner Andrew Black, which would see his loan stint from Birmingham City become permanent during the off-season.

A two-year contract had been agreed, which the Rooney camp felt Town reneged on last year.

The case was due to be heard by a Football Association tribunal panel in January before it was postponed to this month and then put back again to June, prior to the respective sides finding common ground.

A six-figure settlement is understood to have been agreed between the parties, which is believed to be in the region of £140,000 and significantly lower than the original sum Rooney and his representatives were looking to recoup from Town.

Swindon owner Lee Power, who has reportedly invested £2million in Town since associating himself with the club 13 months ago, is in the process of tidying up a number of lingering legal issues at the County Ground, as he looks to implement a sustainable financial model in SN1.

Clearing up the Rooney saga represents a major step forward for Power and his management team, though other cases remain ongoing.

The Advertiser has been unable to reach Power, while a Swindon Town spokesman told this paper that the club would be making “no comment” on suggestions that the long-standing dispute had been brought to a satisfactory end.

Rooney’s representatives, meanwhile, were also unreachable for comment when the Adver tried to contact them yesterday.

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6:14am Thu 27 Mar 14

oo-r-ya? says...

I see he's banging them in for Aberdeen. Is that a comment on the poor quality of the Scottish Premier League? Cox was a first team regular and Collins is playing at that level for Hibs.
I see he's banging them in for Aberdeen. Is that a comment on the poor quality of the Scottish Premier League? Cox was a first team regular and Collins is playing at that level for Hibs. oo-r-ya?
  • Score: 6

6:55am Thu 27 Mar 14

STFConyourpitch says...

I'm confused what is going on.
I'm confused what is going on. STFConyourpitch
  • Score: -1

6:55am Thu 27 Mar 14

Oi Den! says...

Sounds like we got off lightly here.
Sounds like we got off lightly here. Oi Den!
  • Score: -4

7:15am Thu 27 Mar 14

stfcdod says...

Good old Paolo. What planet are you orbiting now?
Good old Paolo. What planet are you orbiting now? stfcdod
  • Score: 6

7:18am Thu 27 Mar 14

mandrossian says...

With this resolved, and the remaining high earners out of contract at the end of this season, hopefully we can put the crazy era behind us and concentrate on sustainable progress.
I would take Power & Cooper over Black & Di Canio every day of the week - it might not be as exciting but at least I know my club is in safe hands
With this resolved, and the remaining high earners out of contract at the end of this season, hopefully we can put the crazy era behind us and concentrate on sustainable progress. I would take Power & Cooper over Black & Di Canio every day of the week - it might not be as exciting but at least I know my club is in safe hands mandrossian
  • Score: 19

7:25am Thu 27 Mar 14

Bassett Hound says...

mandrossian wrote:
With this resolved, and the remaining high earners out of contract at the end of this season, hopefully we can put the crazy era behind us and concentrate on sustainable progress.
I would take Power & Cooper over Black & Di Canio every day of the week - it might not be as exciting but at least I know my club is in safe hands
Not only safe hands mandrossian, you get the feeling that he is very street wise and no one will get one over on him.
[quote][p][bold]mandrossian[/bold] wrote: With this resolved, and the remaining high earners out of contract at the end of this season, hopefully we can put the crazy era behind us and concentrate on sustainable progress. I would take Power & Cooper over Black & Di Canio every day of the week - it might not be as exciting but at least I know my club is in safe hands[/p][/quote]Not only safe hands mandrossian, you get the feeling that he is very street wise and no one will get one over on him. Bassett Hound
  • Score: 17

7:32am Thu 27 Mar 14

LionelHutz says...

stfcdod wrote:
Good old Paolo. What planet are you orbiting now?
It's not Paolo's fault. He had no say on how much money there was to spend, he was just the one who spent what was given to him.

Jeremy Wray was almost universally liked by the fans, but it was he who sanctioned crazy deals like this one despite having full knowledge that Andrew Black wanted out.
[quote][p][bold]stfcdod[/bold] wrote: Good old Paolo. What planet are you orbiting now?[/p][/quote]It's not Paolo's fault. He had no say on how much money there was to spend, he was just the one who spent what was given to him. Jeremy Wray was almost universally liked by the fans, but it was he who sanctioned crazy deals like this one despite having full knowledge that Andrew Black wanted out. LionelHutz
  • Score: 13

7:43am Thu 27 Mar 14

Helpme234 says...

mandrossian wrote:
With this resolved, and the remaining high earners out of contract at the end of this season, hopefully we can put the crazy era behind us and concentrate on sustainable progress.
I would take Power & Cooper over Black & Di Canio every day of the week - it might not be as exciting but at least I know my club is in safe hands
I'd just like normal people to run the club!!
[quote][p][bold]mandrossian[/bold] wrote: With this resolved, and the remaining high earners out of contract at the end of this season, hopefully we can put the crazy era behind us and concentrate on sustainable progress. I would take Power & Cooper over Black & Di Canio every day of the week - it might not be as exciting but at least I know my club is in safe hands[/p][/quote]I'd just like normal people to run the club!! Helpme234
  • Score: 9

8:01am Thu 27 Mar 14

STFConyourpitch says...

Are we resigning Rooney or sorting legal terms of his contract?
If they are sorting out legal stuff then they need to sort out our former player called Milan I can't remember his name. I think we signed him off Celtic the season we got relegated and mysteriously disappeared apparently he did not sign on properly.
Are we resigning Rooney or sorting legal terms of his contract? If they are sorting out legal stuff then they need to sort out our former player called Milan I can't remember his name. I think we signed him off Celtic the season we got relegated and mysteriously disappeared apparently he did not sign on properly. STFConyourpitch
  • Score: -5

8:02am Thu 27 Mar 14

The artist formerly known as Marmite Soldier says...

mandrossian wrote:
With this resolved, and the remaining high earners out of contract at the end of this season, hopefully we can put the crazy era behind us and concentrate on sustainable progress.
I would take Power & Cooper over Black & Di Canio every day of the week - it might not be as exciting but at least I know my club is in safe hands
I'd take Black and Cooper! One supplies the financial security and the other the frugality that says I don't have to spend it.

Best of both worlds.
[quote][p][bold]mandrossian[/bold] wrote: With this resolved, and the remaining high earners out of contract at the end of this season, hopefully we can put the crazy era behind us and concentrate on sustainable progress. I would take Power & Cooper over Black & Di Canio every day of the week - it might not be as exciting but at least I know my club is in safe hands[/p][/quote]I'd take Black and Cooper! One supplies the financial security and the other the frugality that says I don't have to spend it. Best of both worlds. The artist formerly known as Marmite Soldier
  • Score: -3

8:03am Thu 27 Mar 14

STFConyourpitch says...

Milan MIŠUN was his name.
Milan MIŠUN was his name. STFConyourpitch
  • Score: 3

8:09am Thu 27 Mar 14

dreamofacleansheet2 says...

Hutz - spot on. People just don't get it. Black was a brilliant owner, employed Wray to run club for him. His blind faith in Paolo (as a West Ham fan himself) was miss-management on a grand scale. Any manager given the money to spend (accept Wenger) would spend it. Amazing Wenger gets hammered in this now now now world.

Marmite, I'd have Black owning jointly with Power (running) and then anyone as Manager. I think Cooper is doing a good job. Of course made loads of mistakes but I'd have taken 5th bottom at the start of the season. Power knows exactly what he's doing. Keep the faith people. COYR
Hutz - spot on. People just don't get it. Black was a brilliant owner, employed Wray to run club for him. His blind faith in Paolo (as a West Ham fan himself) was miss-management on a grand scale. Any manager given the money to spend (accept Wenger) would spend it. Amazing Wenger gets hammered in this now now now world. Marmite, I'd have Black owning jointly with Power (running) and then anyone as Manager. I think Cooper is doing a good job. Of course made loads of mistakes but I'd have taken 5th bottom at the start of the season. Power knows exactly what he's doing. Keep the faith people. COYR dreamofacleansheet2
  • Score: 19

8:15am Thu 27 Mar 14

port de soller says...

Well glad for the Town and the player.At the end of the day he was given a contract,Jed thought it was not kosher,I did have visions of the FL sticking it to us over Rooney,still glad it is sorted.
Plus we are still in a good spot in div 1,no fear of going down and who knows they may put up a good fight over the next several games,still amazed after all that has gone on how well stfc have done this season amazing
Well glad for the Town and the player.At the end of the day he was given a contract,Jed thought it was not kosher,I did have visions of the FL sticking it to us over Rooney,still glad it is sorted. Plus we are still in a good spot in div 1,no fear of going down and who knows they may put up a good fight over the next several games,still amazed after all that has gone on how well stfc have done this season amazing port de soller
  • Score: 12

8:47am Thu 27 Mar 14

stfc2012 says...

Power should not be mentioned in the same breath as Wray and Black - who are honourable business people. He is merely a disease the sport, and business could do without.
Power should not be mentioned in the same breath as Wray and Black - who are honourable business people. He is merely a disease the sport, and business could do without. stfc2012
  • Score: -80

8:55am Thu 27 Mar 14

RAYSPARROW says...

stfc2012 wrote:
Power should not be mentioned in the same breath as Wray and Black - who are honourable business people. He is merely a disease the sport, and business could do without.
come off it, that is disgusting you should be ashamed.
[quote][p][bold]stfc2012[/bold] wrote: Power should not be mentioned in the same breath as Wray and Black - who are honourable business people. He is merely a disease the sport, and business could do without.[/p][/quote]come off it, that is disgusting you should be ashamed. RAYSPARROW
  • Score: 33

8:56am Thu 27 Mar 14

Davidsyrett says...

stfc2012 wrote:
Power should not be mentioned in the same breath as Wray and Black - who are honourable business people. He is merely a disease the sport, and business could do without.
Comedian?? Certainly not a supporter!! Hasn't a clue... Well done the board, moving this club in the right direction, think next season could be a good one.
[quote][p][bold]stfc2012[/bold] wrote: Power should not be mentioned in the same breath as Wray and Black - who are honourable business people. He is merely a disease the sport, and business could do without.[/p][/quote]Comedian?? Certainly not a supporter!! Hasn't a clue... Well done the board, moving this club in the right direction, think next season could be a good one. Davidsyrett
  • Score: 28

9:18am Thu 27 Mar 14

the don69 says...

Send the Bill to Black,Wray,Watkin and PDC, Yes Black was a great owner,shame Wray,Watkin and PDC took him as a Mug and their Piggy-bank!!!!!!
Send the Bill to Black,Wray,Watkin and PDC, Yes Black was a great owner,shame Wray,Watkin and PDC took him as a Mug and their Piggy-bank!!!!!! the don69
  • Score: 39

9:39am Thu 27 Mar 14

King Red says...

LionelHutz wrote:
stfcdod wrote:
Good old Paolo. What planet are you orbiting now?
It's not Paolo's fault. He had no say on how much money there was to spend, he was just the one who spent what was given to him.

Jeremy Wray was almost universally liked by the fans, but it was he who sanctioned crazy deals like this one despite having full knowledge that Andrew Black wanted out.
Not PDC's fault! I'm sure Sunderland fans agree with you.
How long has he been gone? A year! And we are still suffering from his kid in a sweetshop ethics.
Yes I agree that I too got carried along with his fantastic enthusiasm, but for me it began to wear thin well before he started his silly games.
Also I have found it hard going at times this year and I have moaned about players and management. Especially when we sat so deep and gave matches away.
I renewed my season ticket early as I can't imagine not going to watch my club.
I feel things are on the up and was once again proud of the Towns performances over the last week or so, just wish we could have consistency.
[quote][p][bold]LionelHutz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfcdod[/bold] wrote: Good old Paolo. What planet are you orbiting now?[/p][/quote]It's not Paolo's fault. He had no say on how much money there was to spend, he was just the one who spent what was given to him. Jeremy Wray was almost universally liked by the fans, but it was he who sanctioned crazy deals like this one despite having full knowledge that Andrew Black wanted out.[/p][/quote]Not PDC's fault! I'm sure Sunderland fans agree with you. How long has he been gone? A year! And we are still suffering from his kid in a sweetshop ethics. Yes I agree that I too got carried along with his fantastic enthusiasm, but for me it began to wear thin well before he started his silly games. Also I have found it hard going at times this year and I have moaned about players and management. Especially when we sat so deep and gave matches away. I renewed my season ticket early as I can't imagine not going to watch my club. I feel things are on the up and was once again proud of the Towns performances over the last week or so, just wish we could have consistency. King Red
  • Score: 7

9:39am Thu 27 Mar 14

Cleuso says...

stfc2012 wrote:
Power should not be mentioned in the same breath as Wray and Black - who are honourable business people. He is merely a disease the sport, and business could do without.
Why ? Those sort of allegations suggest the only reason you post negative STFC stuff all the time on here you have some sort of personal issue which you vitually allude to. If that is the case then this forum is not the area to deal with it and rather than infect this forum with your bitterness. Get help or seek resolution through proper channels but don't make us read or get drawn into your issues.
[quote][p][bold]stfc2012[/bold] wrote: Power should not be mentioned in the same breath as Wray and Black - who are honourable business people. He is merely a disease the sport, and business could do without.[/p][/quote]Why ? Those sort of allegations suggest the only reason you post negative STFC stuff all the time on here you have some sort of personal issue which you vitually allude to. If that is the case then this forum is not the area to deal with it and rather than infect this forum with your bitterness. Get help or seek resolution through proper channels but don't make us read or get drawn into your issues. Cleuso
  • Score: 19

10:07am Thu 27 Mar 14

hertz says...

Back to business and the dilemma in hand , after the recent forced changes and two wins how will we line up for the clash on Saturday ? Will Troy be back ? is Storey the finished article should he have scored or assisted more on Tuesday , will we ru out of chips ? Curious of the Dam
Back to business and the dilemma in hand , after the recent forced changes and two wins how will we line up for the clash on Saturday ? Will Troy be back ? is Storey the finished article should he have scored or assisted more on Tuesday , will we ru out of chips ? Curious of the Dam hertz
  • Score: 5

10:32am Thu 27 Mar 14

sheriffred says...

oo-r-ya? wrote:
I see he's banging them in for Aberdeen. Is that a comment on the poor quality of the Scottish Premier League? Cox was a first team regular and Collins is playing at that level for Hibs.
It is indeed - as an Inverness CT fan (moved there after Swindon) I recall, with some hilarity now, Rooney banging them in for Caley week after week after week, and Cox doing well for us too.. What can I say, Scottish football is a JOKE
And don't worry..Town comes first..London boy now anyway and good as we are, Caley really not worth a 500-mile round trip on a Sat afternoon..
[quote][p][bold]oo-r-ya?[/bold] wrote: I see he's banging them in for Aberdeen. Is that a comment on the poor quality of the Scottish Premier League? Cox was a first team regular and Collins is playing at that level for Hibs.[/p][/quote]It is indeed - as an Inverness CT fan (moved there after Swindon) I recall, with some hilarity now, Rooney banging them in for Caley week after week after week, and Cox doing well for us too.. What can I say, Scottish football is a JOKE And don't worry..Town comes first..London boy now anyway and good as we are, Caley really not worth a 500-mile round trip on a Sat afternoon.. sheriffred
  • Score: 2

12:05pm Thu 27 Mar 14

LionelHutz says...

King Red wrote:
LionelHutz wrote:
stfcdod wrote:
Good old Paolo. What planet are you orbiting now?
It's not Paolo's fault. He had no say on how much money there was to spend, he was just the one who spent what was given to him.

Jeremy Wray was almost universally liked by the fans, but it was he who sanctioned crazy deals like this one despite having full knowledge that Andrew Black wanted out.
Not PDC's fault! I'm sure Sunderland fans agree with you.
How long has he been gone? A year! And we are still suffering from his kid in a sweetshop ethics.
Yes I agree that I too got carried along with his fantastic enthusiasm, but for me it began to wear thin well before he started his silly games.
Also I have found it hard going at times this year and I have moaned about players and management. Especially when we sat so deep and gave matches away.
I renewed my season ticket early as I can't imagine not going to watch my club.
I feel things are on the up and was once again proud of the Towns performances over the last week or so, just wish we could have consistency.
The Sunderland situation is irrelevant to us. While I would say Paolo was frivolous with is spending, the fact remains he only spent the money given to him by the board. I also believe if that funding had continued just a few more months, we would be in the Championship now.

However, the large budget, and its subsequent cessation, was not in Paolo's control so you can't really put the blame on him when stories such as those relating to Comazzi and Rooney come to light.
[quote][p][bold]King Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LionelHutz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfcdod[/bold] wrote: Good old Paolo. What planet are you orbiting now?[/p][/quote]It's not Paolo's fault. He had no say on how much money there was to spend, he was just the one who spent what was given to him. Jeremy Wray was almost universally liked by the fans, but it was he who sanctioned crazy deals like this one despite having full knowledge that Andrew Black wanted out.[/p][/quote]Not PDC's fault! I'm sure Sunderland fans agree with you. How long has he been gone? A year! And we are still suffering from his kid in a sweetshop ethics. Yes I agree that I too got carried along with his fantastic enthusiasm, but for me it began to wear thin well before he started his silly games. Also I have found it hard going at times this year and I have moaned about players and management. Especially when we sat so deep and gave matches away. I renewed my season ticket early as I can't imagine not going to watch my club. I feel things are on the up and was once again proud of the Towns performances over the last week or so, just wish we could have consistency.[/p][/quote]The Sunderland situation is irrelevant to us. While I would say Paolo was frivolous with is spending, the fact remains he only spent the money given to him by the board. I also believe if that funding had continued just a few more months, we would be in the Championship now. However, the large budget, and its subsequent cessation, was not in Paolo's control so you can't really put the blame on him when stories such as those relating to Comazzi and Rooney come to light. LionelHutz
  • Score: -1

1:14pm Thu 27 Mar 14

smirg kcab says...

King Red wrote:
LionelHutz wrote:
stfcdod wrote:
Good old Paolo. What planet are you orbiting now?
It's not Paolo's fault. He had no say on how much money there was to spend, he was just the one who spent what was given to him.

Jeremy Wray was almost universally liked by the fans, but it was he who sanctioned crazy deals like this one despite having full knowledge that Andrew Black wanted out.
Not PDC's fault! I'm sure Sunderland fans agree with you.
How long has he been gone? A year! And we are still suffering from his kid in a sweetshop ethics.
Yes I agree that I too got carried along with his fantastic enthusiasm, but for me it began to wear thin well before he started his silly games.
Also I have found it hard going at times this year and I have moaned about players and management. Especially when we sat so deep and gave matches away.
I renewed my season ticket early as I can't imagine not going to watch my club.
I feel things are on the up and was once again proud of the Towns performances over the last week or so, just wish we could have consistency.
King idiot
[quote][p][bold]King Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LionelHutz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfcdod[/bold] wrote: Good old Paolo. What planet are you orbiting now?[/p][/quote]It's not Paolo's fault. He had no say on how much money there was to spend, he was just the one who spent what was given to him. Jeremy Wray was almost universally liked by the fans, but it was he who sanctioned crazy deals like this one despite having full knowledge that Andrew Black wanted out.[/p][/quote]Not PDC's fault! I'm sure Sunderland fans agree with you. How long has he been gone? A year! And we are still suffering from his kid in a sweetshop ethics. Yes I agree that I too got carried along with his fantastic enthusiasm, but for me it began to wear thin well before he started his silly games. Also I have found it hard going at times this year and I have moaned about players and management. Especially when we sat so deep and gave matches away. I renewed my season ticket early as I can't imagine not going to watch my club. I feel things are on the up and was once again proud of the Towns performances over the last week or so, just wish we could have consistency.[/p][/quote]King idiot smirg kcab
  • Score: -4

1:20pm Thu 27 Mar 14

smirg kcab says...

Bring back Paolo( legend), who loved spending a big mugs money.
Black should pay everything even my season ticket for the next twenty years (sucker). Hope the cretin goes bankrupt.
Bring back Paolo( legend), who loved spending a big mugs money. Black should pay everything even my season ticket for the next twenty years (sucker). Hope the cretin goes bankrupt. smirg kcab
  • Score: -20

1:36pm Thu 27 Mar 14

sadgit says...

Rooney laughing all the way to the bank thanks to the ridiculous contract he was handed by Wray and co.
Rooney laughing all the way to the bank thanks to the ridiculous contract he was handed by Wray and co. sadgit
  • Score: 8

1:38pm Thu 27 Mar 14

Brainy_G93 says...

The club haven't commented on the situation and neither has Rooney's representatives so do we know for sure this story is reliable?
The club haven't commented on the situation and neither has Rooney's representatives so do we know for sure this story is reliable? Brainy_G93
  • Score: 2

1:43pm Thu 27 Mar 14

MITTED says...

Bassett Hound wrote:
mandrossian wrote:
With this resolved, and the remaining high earners out of contract at the end of this season, hopefully we can put the crazy era behind us and concentrate on sustainable progress.
I would take Power & Cooper over Black & Di Canio every day of the week - it might not be as exciting but at least I know my club is in safe hands
Not only safe hands mandrossian, you get the feeling that he is very street wise and no one will get one over on him.
Safe hands? A trail of debt around the town with local suppliers going unpaid is not "normal business" to quote Mr Power. Be careful what you wish for.
[quote][p][bold]Bassett Hound[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mandrossian[/bold] wrote: With this resolved, and the remaining high earners out of contract at the end of this season, hopefully we can put the crazy era behind us and concentrate on sustainable progress. I would take Power & Cooper over Black & Di Canio every day of the week - it might not be as exciting but at least I know my club is in safe hands[/p][/quote]Not only safe hands mandrossian, you get the feeling that he is very street wise and no one will get one over on him.[/p][/quote]Safe hands? A trail of debt around the town with local suppliers going unpaid is not "normal business" to quote Mr Power. Be careful what you wish for. MITTED
  • Score: -5

1:44pm Thu 27 Mar 14

RogerJ1969 says...

The artist formerly known as Marmite Soldier wrote:
mandrossian wrote:
With this resolved, and the remaining high earners out of contract at the end of this season, hopefully we can put the crazy era behind us and concentrate on sustainable progress.
I would take Power & Cooper over Black & Di Canio every day of the week - it might not be as exciting but at least I know my club is in safe hands
I'd take Black and Cooper! One supplies the financial security and the other the frugality that says I don't have to spend it.

Best of both worlds.
How about Power & PDC, now that would be entertaining! Not sure PDC would stick around for long.
[quote][p][bold]The artist formerly known as Marmite Soldier[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mandrossian[/bold] wrote: With this resolved, and the remaining high earners out of contract at the end of this season, hopefully we can put the crazy era behind us and concentrate on sustainable progress. I would take Power & Cooper over Black & Di Canio every day of the week - it might not be as exciting but at least I know my club is in safe hands[/p][/quote]I'd take Black and Cooper! One supplies the financial security and the other the frugality that says I don't have to spend it. Best of both worlds.[/p][/quote]How about Power & PDC, now that would be entertaining! Not sure PDC would stick around for long. RogerJ1969
  • Score: 1

1:48pm Thu 27 Mar 14

RogerJ1969 says...

stfc2012 wrote:
Power should not be mentioned in the same breath as Wray and Black - who are honourable business people. He is merely a disease the sport, and business could do without.
Litigation looming for you my friend.
This site is classed as social media and as such you can be subject to the same rules as Sally Burcow.
[quote][p][bold]stfc2012[/bold] wrote: Power should not be mentioned in the same breath as Wray and Black - who are honourable business people. He is merely a disease the sport, and business could do without.[/p][/quote]Litigation looming for you my friend. This site is classed as social media and as such you can be subject to the same rules as Sally Burcow. RogerJ1969
  • Score: 4

1:59pm Thu 27 Mar 14

the wizard says...

stfc2012 wrote:
Power should not be mentioned in the same breath as Wray and Black - who are honourable business people. He is merely a disease the sport, and business could do without.
He is merely a disease the sport, and business could do without.


Funny you should say that, we wouldn't have a club without him, but the club can well survive without the likes of people like you . You don't have to like somebody to respect them and what they have done. He may not have a big pot, but its certainly £2M + bigger than yours. Offering to buy the club off him at your earliest chance then, hmmm thought not.
[quote][p][bold]stfc2012[/bold] wrote: Power should not be mentioned in the same breath as Wray and Black - who are honourable business people. He is merely a disease the sport, and business could do without.[/p][/quote]He is merely a disease the sport, and business could do without. Funny you should say that, we wouldn't have a club without him, but the club can well survive without the likes of people like you . You don't have to like somebody to respect them and what they have done. He may not have a big pot, but its certainly £2M + bigger than yours. Offering to buy the club off him at your earliest chance then, hmmm thought not. the wizard
  • Score: 6

2:10pm Thu 27 Mar 14

lifelong red says...

MITTED wrote:
Bassett Hound wrote:
mandrossian wrote:
With this resolved, and the remaining high earners out of contract at the end of this season, hopefully we can put the crazy era behind us and concentrate on sustainable progress.
I would take Power & Cooper over Black & Di Canio every day of the week - it might not be as exciting but at least I know my club is in safe hands
Not only safe hands mandrossian, you get the feeling that he is very street wise and no one will get one over on him.
Safe hands? A trail of debt around the town with local suppliers going unpaid is not "normal business" to quote Mr Power. Be careful what you wish for.
How do you know this is now fact , according to fredi ( and I have no reason to disbelieve him ) Lee Power was gradually getting these issues sorted. Being as he's already put around 2 million into the club, I can't see how he would then allow any debt to accumulate , it just wouldn't make any sense.
[quote][p][bold]MITTED[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bassett Hound[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mandrossian[/bold] wrote: With this resolved, and the remaining high earners out of contract at the end of this season, hopefully we can put the crazy era behind us and concentrate on sustainable progress. I would take Power & Cooper over Black & Di Canio every day of the week - it might not be as exciting but at least I know my club is in safe hands[/p][/quote]Not only safe hands mandrossian, you get the feeling that he is very street wise and no one will get one over on him.[/p][/quote]Safe hands? A trail of debt around the town with local suppliers going unpaid is not "normal business" to quote Mr Power. Be careful what you wish for.[/p][/quote]How do you know this is now fact , according to fredi ( and I have no reason to disbelieve him ) Lee Power was gradually getting these issues sorted. Being as he's already put around 2 million into the club, I can't see how he would then allow any debt to accumulate , it just wouldn't make any sense. lifelong red
  • Score: 2

2:21pm Thu 27 Mar 14

Oi Den! says...

I see my post suggesting we got off lightly has been met with disapproval. If we've squirmed out of a contract worth, say, half a million and it's cost us £140k we've done pretty well haven't we?

McCrory and his cohorts agreed to take the contracts on. Doubtless they then crawled all over them to see what obligations they could dishonour. Legally fine perhaps but also very smelly - and all this from people who were full of grandiose promises of funding. I'd wager that our "saviours" took a lot more money out of the club than they put in - all perfectly legally of course. Grade one bullshiitters.

Good luck to Rooney - a real trier for STFC.
I see my post suggesting we got off lightly has been met with disapproval. If we've squirmed out of a contract worth, say, half a million and it's cost us £140k we've done pretty well haven't we? McCrory and his cohorts agreed to take the contracts on. Doubtless they then crawled all over them to see what obligations they could dishonour. Legally fine perhaps but also very smelly - and all this from people who were full of grandiose promises of funding. I'd wager that our "saviours" took a lot more money out of the club than they put in - all perfectly legally of course. Grade one bullshiitters. Good luck to Rooney - a real trier for STFC. Oi Den!
  • Score: 0

3:01pm Thu 27 Mar 14

ScottLeitch says...

Paolo spent the money given to him simple as that. Regardless of what he spent, he brought back a competitive spirit this club and re ignited the passion from the fans. Whatever anybody says Paolo made this club something to be proud of again and I will always thank him for that, a true inspiration.
Paolo spent the money given to him simple as that. Regardless of what he spent, he brought back a competitive spirit this club and re ignited the passion from the fans. Whatever anybody says Paolo made this club something to be proud of again and I will always thank him for that, a true inspiration. ScottLeitch
  • Score: 8

3:18pm Thu 27 Mar 14

hertz says...

Any truth Nile got into trouble in Newcastle again ,? is he any closer to a come back , will he be surprise player at the run in ? COYR
Any truth Nile got into trouble in Newcastle again ,? is he any closer to a come back , will he be surprise player at the run in ? COYR hertz
  • Score: 1

3:45pm Thu 27 Mar 14

cricklade red says...

hertz wrote:
Any truth Nile got into trouble in Newcastle again ,? is he any closer to a come back , will he be surprise player at the run in ? COYR
I do hope so, would'nt that be something?
[quote][p][bold]hertz[/bold] wrote: Any truth Nile got into trouble in Newcastle again ,? is he any closer to a come back , will he be surprise player at the run in ? COYR[/p][/quote]I do hope so, would'nt that be something? cricklade red
  • Score: 1

3:57pm Thu 27 Mar 14

lifelong red says...

cricklade red wrote:
hertz wrote:
Any truth Nile got into trouble in Newcastle again ,? is he any closer to a come back , will he be surprise player at the run in ? COYR
I do hope so, would'nt that be something?
Would be a great asset - that is providing he undergoes a brain transplant during the close season.
[quote][p][bold]cricklade red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hertz[/bold] wrote: Any truth Nile got into trouble in Newcastle again ,? is he any closer to a come back , will he be surprise player at the run in ? COYR[/p][/quote]I do hope so, would'nt that be something?[/p][/quote]Would be a great asset - that is providing he undergoes a brain transplant during the close season. lifelong red
  • Score: 2

4:11pm Thu 27 Mar 14

Oi Den! says...

ScottLeitch wrote:
Paolo spent the money given to him simple as that. Regardless of what he spent, he brought back a competitive spirit this club and re ignited the passion from the fans. Whatever anybody says Paolo made this club something to be proud of again and I will always thank him for that, a true inspiration.
Agree he was inspiring. But it was short-term gain for longer term pain. In the end he wrecked our dream.
[quote][p][bold]ScottLeitch[/bold] wrote: Paolo spent the money given to him simple as that. Regardless of what he spent, he brought back a competitive spirit this club and re ignited the passion from the fans. Whatever anybody says Paolo made this club something to be proud of again and I will always thank him for that, a true inspiration.[/p][/quote]Agree he was inspiring. But it was short-term gain for longer term pain. In the end he wrecked our dream. Oi Den!
  • Score: 3

4:21pm Thu 27 Mar 14

MITTED says...

lifelong red wrote:
MITTED wrote:
Bassett Hound wrote:
mandrossian wrote:
With this resolved, and the remaining high earners out of contract at the end of this season, hopefully we can put the crazy era behind us and concentrate on sustainable progress.
I would take Power & Cooper over Black & Di Canio every day of the week - it might not be as exciting but at least I know my club is in safe hands
Not only safe hands mandrossian, you get the feeling that he is very street wise and no one will get one over on him.
Safe hands? A trail of debt around the town with local suppliers going unpaid is not "normal business" to quote Mr Power. Be careful what you wish for.
How do you know this is now fact , according to fredi ( and I have no reason to disbelieve him ) Lee Power was gradually getting these issues sorted. Being as he's already put around 2 million into the club, I can't see how he would then allow any debt to accumulate , it just wouldn't make any sense.
For starters, it comes from the mouth of a manager of a very large hotel in Swindon - who isn't Fredi by the way! The bill was for many thousands going back over a year and was still unpaid last I heard. Power also admitted that bills weren't being paid on a BBC radio interview just a few weeks ago, claiming it is "normal business", which it isn't in my opinion.
[quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MITTED[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bassett Hound[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mandrossian[/bold] wrote: With this resolved, and the remaining high earners out of contract at the end of this season, hopefully we can put the crazy era behind us and concentrate on sustainable progress. I would take Power & Cooper over Black & Di Canio every day of the week - it might not be as exciting but at least I know my club is in safe hands[/p][/quote]Not only safe hands mandrossian, you get the feeling that he is very street wise and no one will get one over on him.[/p][/quote]Safe hands? A trail of debt around the town with local suppliers going unpaid is not "normal business" to quote Mr Power. Be careful what you wish for.[/p][/quote]How do you know this is now fact , according to fredi ( and I have no reason to disbelieve him ) Lee Power was gradually getting these issues sorted. Being as he's already put around 2 million into the club, I can't see how he would then allow any debt to accumulate , it just wouldn't make any sense.[/p][/quote]For starters, it comes from the mouth of a manager of a very large hotel in Swindon - who isn't Fredi by the way! The bill was for many thousands going back over a year and was still unpaid last I heard. Power also admitted that bills weren't being paid on a BBC radio interview just a few weeks ago, claiming it is "normal business", which it isn't in my opinion. MITTED
  • Score: -7

4:24pm Thu 27 Mar 14

RogerJ1969 says...

ScottLeitch wrote:
Paolo spent the money given to him simple as that. Regardless of what he spent, he brought back a competitive spirit this club and re ignited the passion from the fans. Whatever anybody says Paolo made this club something to be proud of again and I will always thank him for that, a true inspiration.
I have to agree, I have been a Town fan all my life but it was the PDC factor that made me buy a ST, I loved the fact younever knew what would happen next when he was here.
I am now hooked on the bi-weekly pint at the Chalet and the anticipation of the Power/Cooper brand of football which when it comes off is excellent.
[quote][p][bold]ScottLeitch[/bold] wrote: Paolo spent the money given to him simple as that. Regardless of what he spent, he brought back a competitive spirit this club and re ignited the passion from the fans. Whatever anybody says Paolo made this club something to be proud of again and I will always thank him for that, a true inspiration.[/p][/quote]I have to agree, I have been a Town fan all my life but it was the PDC factor that made me buy a ST, I loved the fact younever knew what would happen next when he was here. I am now hooked on the bi-weekly pint at the Chalet and the anticipation of the Power/Cooper brand of football which when it comes off is excellent. RogerJ1969
  • Score: 3

4:52pm Thu 27 Mar 14

Cleuso says...

MITTED wrote:
lifelong red wrote:
MITTED wrote:
Bassett Hound wrote:
mandrossian wrote:
With this resolved, and the remaining high earners out of contract at the end of this season, hopefully we can put the crazy era behind us and concentrate on sustainable progress.
I would take Power & Cooper over Black & Di Canio every day of the week - it might not be as exciting but at least I know my club is in safe hands
Not only safe hands mandrossian, you get the feeling that he is very street wise and no one will get one over on him.
Safe hands? A trail of debt around the town with local suppliers going unpaid is not "normal business" to quote Mr Power. Be careful what you wish for.
How do you know this is now fact , according to fredi ( and I have no reason to disbelieve him ) Lee Power was gradually getting these issues sorted. Being as he's already put around 2 million into the club, I can't see how he would then allow any debt to accumulate , it just wouldn't make any sense.
For starters, it comes from the mouth of a manager of a very large hotel in Swindon - who isn't Fredi by the way! The bill was for many thousands going back over a year and was still unpaid last I heard. Power also admitted that bills weren't being paid on a BBC radio interview just a few weeks ago, claiming it is "normal business", which it isn't in my opinion.
Over a year ago could mean anything - doesn't necessarily mean current. It may have related to to timings because of the takeover from Black, delays because of the audit trying to find exactly who was owed what etc etc....Swindon Borough Council were once a long time ago owed money, doesn't mean it is relevant today or current invoices being unpaid.

It is quite normal in business circles to have a terms of trade, that can go from anything like payment on delivery or payment in 5 years time..

Mention of which I suspect 80% of businesses unless cash on delivery use credit to finance their operations cashflow needs in one shape or form or another.

Even for individuals employed in the workplace you may have to work a week or month before being paid..that's the business using you rather than pay you by the day....improves their cashflow no end.

Not normal ???...don't agree with you, credit is part of business life.
[quote][p][bold]MITTED[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MITTED[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bassett Hound[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mandrossian[/bold] wrote: With this resolved, and the remaining high earners out of contract at the end of this season, hopefully we can put the crazy era behind us and concentrate on sustainable progress. I would take Power & Cooper over Black & Di Canio every day of the week - it might not be as exciting but at least I know my club is in safe hands[/p][/quote]Not only safe hands mandrossian, you get the feeling that he is very street wise and no one will get one over on him.[/p][/quote]Safe hands? A trail of debt around the town with local suppliers going unpaid is not "normal business" to quote Mr Power. Be careful what you wish for.[/p][/quote]How do you know this is now fact , according to fredi ( and I have no reason to disbelieve him ) Lee Power was gradually getting these issues sorted. Being as he's already put around 2 million into the club, I can't see how he would then allow any debt to accumulate , it just wouldn't make any sense.[/p][/quote]For starters, it comes from the mouth of a manager of a very large hotel in Swindon - who isn't Fredi by the way! The bill was for many thousands going back over a year and was still unpaid last I heard. Power also admitted that bills weren't being paid on a BBC radio interview just a few weeks ago, claiming it is "normal business", which it isn't in my opinion.[/p][/quote]Over a year ago could mean anything - doesn't necessarily mean current. It may have related to to timings because of the takeover from Black, delays because of the audit trying to find exactly who was owed what etc etc....Swindon Borough Council were once a long time ago owed money, doesn't mean it is relevant today or current invoices being unpaid. It is quite normal in business circles to have a terms of trade, that can go from anything like payment on delivery or payment in 5 years time.. Mention of which I suspect 80% of businesses unless cash on delivery use credit to finance their operations cashflow needs in one shape or form or another. Even for individuals employed in the workplace you may have to work a week or month before being paid..that's the business using you rather than pay you by the day....improves their cashflow no end. Not normal ???...don't agree with you, credit is part of business life. Cleuso
  • Score: 7

5:23pm Thu 27 Mar 14

buckobassettboy says...

ScottLeitch wrote:
Paolo spent the money given to him simple as that. Regardless of what he spent, he brought back a competitive spirit this club and re ignited the passion from the fans. Whatever anybody says Paolo made this club something to be proud of again and I will always thank him for that, a true inspiration.
i concur-we would have been languishing in Div 2-at best-but were lifted out in one season by PDC and a squad that although pdc takes stick for putting them together,they did play for him and got promotion,the nucleus of that squad losing out to the Bees when Old Macdonald took over.A lot of pro Cooper and Power merchants forget that.Now although our position is almost safe for another season I have this uneasy feeling the STFC saga has not run it's course and more Krapski is on the radar.I hope I am wrong.Just don't put the bunting out yet.
[quote][p][bold]ScottLeitch[/bold] wrote: Paolo spent the money given to him simple as that. Regardless of what he spent, he brought back a competitive spirit this club and re ignited the passion from the fans. Whatever anybody says Paolo made this club something to be proud of again and I will always thank him for that, a true inspiration.[/p][/quote]i concur-we would have been languishing in Div 2-at best-but were lifted out in one season by PDC and a squad that although pdc takes stick for putting them together,they did play for him and got promotion,the nucleus of that squad losing out to the Bees when Old Macdonald took over.A lot of pro Cooper and Power merchants forget that.Now although our position is almost safe for another season I have this uneasy feeling the STFC saga has not run it's course and more Krapski is on the radar.I hope I am wrong.Just don't put the bunting out yet. buckobassettboy
  • Score: 1

6:02pm Thu 27 Mar 14

smirg kcab says...

Oi Den! wrote:
ScottLeitch wrote:
Paolo spent the money given to him simple as that. Regardless of what he spent, he brought back a competitive spirit this club and re ignited the passion from the fans. Whatever anybody says Paolo made this club something to be proud of again and I will always thank him for that, a true inspiration.
Agree he was inspiring. But it was short-term gain for longer term pain. In the end he wrecked our dream.
I'm afraid den McDonald wrecked our dream.along with black, cooper, power.mccrory.
That's if your dream was the same as mine, which was simply promotion which was in the bag.
Any other craap that happened after paolo left was not my dream.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ScottLeitch[/bold] wrote: Paolo spent the money given to him simple as that. Regardless of what he spent, he brought back a competitive spirit this club and re ignited the passion from the fans. Whatever anybody says Paolo made this club something to be proud of again and I will always thank him for that, a true inspiration.[/p][/quote]Agree he was inspiring. But it was short-term gain for longer term pain. In the end he wrecked our dream.[/p][/quote]I'm afraid den McDonald wrecked our dream.along with black, cooper, power.mccrory. That's if your dream was the same as mine, which was simply promotion which was in the bag. Any other craap that happened after paolo left was not my dream. smirg kcab
  • Score: -3

6:32pm Thu 27 Mar 14

smirg kcab says...

buckobassettboy wrote:
ScottLeitch wrote:
Paolo spent the money given to him simple as that. Regardless of what he spent, he brought back a competitive spirit this club and re ignited the passion from the fans. Whatever anybody says Paolo made this club something to be proud of again and I will always thank him for that, a true inspiration.
i concur-we would have been languishing in Div 2-at best-but were lifted out in one season by PDC and a squad that although pdc takes stick for putting them together,they did play for him and got promotion,the nucleus of that squad losing out to the Bees when Old Macdonald took over.A lot of pro Cooper and Power merchants forget that.Now although our position is almost safe for another season I have this uneasy feeling the STFC saga has not run it's course and more Krapski is on the radar.I hope I am wrong.Just don't put the bunting out yet.
Two great post.
Thumbs up chaps, agree something's lurking around the corner, it's just a matter of time untill it rears its ugly head.
[quote][p][bold]buckobassettboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ScottLeitch[/bold] wrote: Paolo spent the money given to him simple as that. Regardless of what he spent, he brought back a competitive spirit this club and re ignited the passion from the fans. Whatever anybody says Paolo made this club something to be proud of again and I will always thank him for that, a true inspiration.[/p][/quote]i concur-we would have been languishing in Div 2-at best-but were lifted out in one season by PDC and a squad that although pdc takes stick for putting them together,they did play for him and got promotion,the nucleus of that squad losing out to the Bees when Old Macdonald took over.A lot of pro Cooper and Power merchants forget that.Now although our position is almost safe for another season I have this uneasy feeling the STFC saga has not run it's course and more Krapski is on the radar.I hope I am wrong.Just don't put the bunting out yet.[/p][/quote]Two great post. Thumbs up chaps, agree something's lurking around the corner, it's just a matter of time untill it rears its ugly head. smirg kcab
  • Score: 0

6:47pm Thu 27 Mar 14

lifelong red says...

Cleuso wrote:
MITTED wrote:
lifelong red wrote:
MITTED wrote:
Bassett Hound wrote:
mandrossian wrote:
With this resolved, and the remaining high earners out of contract at the end of this season, hopefully we can put the crazy era behind us and concentrate on sustainable progress.
I would take Power & Cooper over Black & Di Canio every day of the week - it might not be as exciting but at least I know my club is in safe hands
Not only safe hands mandrossian, you get the feeling that he is very street wise and no one will get one over on him.
Safe hands? A trail of debt around the town with local suppliers going unpaid is not "normal business" to quote Mr Power. Be careful what you wish for.
How do you know this is now fact , according to fredi ( and I have no reason to disbelieve him ) Lee Power was gradually getting these issues sorted. Being as he's already put around 2 million into the club, I can't see how he would then allow any debt to accumulate , it just wouldn't make any sense.
For starters, it comes from the mouth of a manager of a very large hotel in Swindon - who isn't Fredi by the way! The bill was for many thousands going back over a year and was still unpaid last I heard. Power also admitted that bills weren't being paid on a BBC radio interview just a few weeks ago, claiming it is "normal business", which it isn't in my opinion.
Over a year ago could mean anything - doesn't necessarily mean current. It may have related to to timings because of the takeover from Black, delays because of the audit trying to find exactly who was owed what etc etc....Swindon Borough Council were once a long time ago owed money, doesn't mean it is relevant today or current invoices being unpaid.

It is quite normal in business circles to have a terms of trade, that can go from anything like payment on delivery or payment in 5 years time..

Mention of which I suspect 80% of businesses unless cash on delivery use credit to finance their operations cashflow needs in one shape or form or another.

Even for individuals employed in the workplace you may have to work a week or month before being paid..that's the business using you rather than pay you by the day....improves their cashflow no end.

Not normal ???...don't agree with you, credit is part of business life.
I remember in that BBC interview Lee Power saying that this was " normal business , he also went on to say pretty much what clueso says in his poster. I can only repeat what I said in my previous post- that I cannot see Lee Power allowing any debt to get seriously out of hand.
[quote][p][bold]Cleuso[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MITTED[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MITTED[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bassett Hound[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mandrossian[/bold] wrote: With this resolved, and the remaining high earners out of contract at the end of this season, hopefully we can put the crazy era behind us and concentrate on sustainable progress. I would take Power & Cooper over Black & Di Canio every day of the week - it might not be as exciting but at least I know my club is in safe hands[/p][/quote]Not only safe hands mandrossian, you get the feeling that he is very street wise and no one will get one over on him.[/p][/quote]Safe hands? A trail of debt around the town with local suppliers going unpaid is not "normal business" to quote Mr Power. Be careful what you wish for.[/p][/quote]How do you know this is now fact , according to fredi ( and I have no reason to disbelieve him ) Lee Power was gradually getting these issues sorted. Being as he's already put around 2 million into the club, I can't see how he would then allow any debt to accumulate , it just wouldn't make any sense.[/p][/quote]For starters, it comes from the mouth of a manager of a very large hotel in Swindon - who isn't Fredi by the way! The bill was for many thousands going back over a year and was still unpaid last I heard. Power also admitted that bills weren't being paid on a BBC radio interview just a few weeks ago, claiming it is "normal business", which it isn't in my opinion.[/p][/quote]Over a year ago could mean anything - doesn't necessarily mean current. It may have related to to timings because of the takeover from Black, delays because of the audit trying to find exactly who was owed what etc etc....Swindon Borough Council were once a long time ago owed money, doesn't mean it is relevant today or current invoices being unpaid. It is quite normal in business circles to have a terms of trade, that can go from anything like payment on delivery or payment in 5 years time.. Mention of which I suspect 80% of businesses unless cash on delivery use credit to finance their operations cashflow needs in one shape or form or another. Even for individuals employed in the workplace you may have to work a week or month before being paid..that's the business using you rather than pay you by the day....improves their cashflow no end. Not normal ???...don't agree with you, credit is part of business life.[/p][/quote]I remember in that BBC interview Lee Power saying that this was " normal business , he also went on to say pretty much what clueso says in his poster. I can only repeat what I said in my previous post- that I cannot see Lee Power allowing any debt to get seriously out of hand. lifelong red
  • Score: 5

7:17pm Thu 27 Mar 14

dazzastfc says...

LionelHutz wrote:
King Red wrote:
LionelHutz wrote:
stfcdod wrote:
Good old Paolo. What planet are you orbiting now?
It's not Paolo's fault. He had no say on how much money there was to spend, he was just the one who spent what was given to him.

Jeremy Wray was almost universally liked by the fans, but it was he who sanctioned crazy deals like this one despite having full knowledge that Andrew Black wanted out.
Not PDC's fault! I'm sure Sunderland fans agree with you.
How long has he been gone? A year! And we are still suffering from his kid in a sweetshop ethics.
Yes I agree that I too got carried along with his fantastic enthusiasm, but for me it began to wear thin well before he started his silly games.
Also I have found it hard going at times this year and I have moaned about players and management. Especially when we sat so deep and gave matches away.
I renewed my season ticket early as I can't imagine not going to watch my club.
I feel things are on the up and was once again proud of the Towns performances over the last week or so, just wish we could have consistency.
The Sunderland situation is irrelevant to us. While I would say Paolo was frivolous with is spending, the fact remains he only spent the money given to him by the board. I also believe if that funding had continued just a few more months, we would be in the Championship now.

However, the large budget, and its subsequent cessation, was not in Paolo's control so you can't really put the blame on him when stories such as those relating to Comazzi and Rooney come to light.
. While I would say Paolo was frivolous with is spending, the fact remains he only spent the money given to him by the board....

Black left STFC BECAUSE pdc was demanding more after going in2 a transfer embargo after 10 games...
So Black gave him more and after that lot was spent pdc wonted more and more...
THEN BIG SHOCK BLACK SAID FYOU pdc thats it im out of here...
[quote][p][bold]LionelHutz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]King Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LionelHutz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfcdod[/bold] wrote: Good old Paolo. What planet are you orbiting now?[/p][/quote]It's not Paolo's fault. He had no say on how much money there was to spend, he was just the one who spent what was given to him. Jeremy Wray was almost universally liked by the fans, but it was he who sanctioned crazy deals like this one despite having full knowledge that Andrew Black wanted out.[/p][/quote]Not PDC's fault! I'm sure Sunderland fans agree with you. How long has he been gone? A year! And we are still suffering from his kid in a sweetshop ethics. Yes I agree that I too got carried along with his fantastic enthusiasm, but for me it began to wear thin well before he started his silly games. Also I have found it hard going at times this year and I have moaned about players and management. Especially when we sat so deep and gave matches away. I renewed my season ticket early as I can't imagine not going to watch my club. I feel things are on the up and was once again proud of the Towns performances over the last week or so, just wish we could have consistency.[/p][/quote]The Sunderland situation is irrelevant to us. While I would say Paolo was frivolous with is spending, the fact remains he only spent the money given to him by the board. I also believe if that funding had continued just a few more months, we would be in the Championship now. However, the large budget, and its subsequent cessation, was not in Paolo's control so you can't really put the blame on him when stories such as those relating to Comazzi and Rooney come to light.[/p][/quote]. While I would say Paolo was frivolous with is spending, the fact remains he only spent the money given to him by the board.... Black left STFC BECAUSE pdc was demanding more after going in2 a transfer embargo after 10 games... So Black gave him more and after that lot was spent pdc wonted more and more... THEN BIG SHOCK BLACK SAID FYOU pdc thats it im out of here... dazzastfc
  • Score: 1

9:05pm Thu 27 Mar 14

lifelong red says...

smirg kcab wrote:
buckobassettboy wrote:
ScottLeitch wrote:
Paolo spent the money given to him simple as that. Regardless of what he spent, he brought back a competitive spirit this club and re ignited the passion from the fans. Whatever anybody says Paolo made this club something to be proud of again and I will always thank him for that, a true inspiration.
i concur-we would have been languishing in Div 2-at best-but were lifted out in one season by PDC and a squad that although pdc takes stick for putting them together,they did play for him and got promotion,the nucleus of that squad losing out to the Bees when Old Macdonald took over.A lot of pro Cooper and Power merchants forget that.Now although our position is almost safe for another season I have this uneasy feeling the STFC saga has not run it's course and more Krapski is on the radar.I hope I am wrong.Just don't put the bunting out yet.
Two great post.
Thumbs up chaps, agree something's lurking around the corner, it's just a matter of time untill it rears its ugly head.
I would imagine that any " krapski no the radar " as you put it , would be the legacy of the previous owners , and not the present one.
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buckobassettboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ScottLeitch[/bold] wrote: Paolo spent the money given to him simple as that. Regardless of what he spent, he brought back a competitive spirit this club and re ignited the passion from the fans. Whatever anybody says Paolo made this club something to be proud of again and I will always thank him for that, a true inspiration.[/p][/quote]i concur-we would have been languishing in Div 2-at best-but were lifted out in one season by PDC and a squad that although pdc takes stick for putting them together,they did play for him and got promotion,the nucleus of that squad losing out to the Bees when Old Macdonald took over.A lot of pro Cooper and Power merchants forget that.Now although our position is almost safe for another season I have this uneasy feeling the STFC saga has not run it's course and more Krapski is on the radar.I hope I am wrong.Just don't put the bunting out yet.[/p][/quote]Two great post. Thumbs up chaps, agree something's lurking around the corner, it's just a matter of time untill it rears its ugly head.[/p][/quote]I would imagine that any " krapski no the radar " as you put it , would be the legacy of the previous owners , and not the present one. lifelong red
  • Score: 0

9:52pm Thu 27 Mar 14

the wizard says...

Looking back over the years, you can see up to a point why some of our previous owners kept money on a tight string. Also consider the amountof alleged " asset stripping " which has also taken place over generations and by different owners, its a wonder anything is left.

PDC abused our golden goose, Black, with constant demands for more money while his agent signed guys on Jackanory wages, and Wray did nothing to stop that rot. It would be interesting to know the details of unpaid bills around the town given that the major debt was to Black who wrote most of it off with one signature. The club itself was we are told operating and trading above board at that time . I suspect many didn't like that Jed and his buddy Power and so the stories have started. Any court cases pending, any writs been served, any bailiffs appeared ?? its all, he said she said his third cousins grand aunt knows somebody who irons shirts for some third nephew twice removed, yeh, so what! Lets see some proof.

The whole shame of the matter is this was appallingly managed from day one and should have never progressed this far. A tactical re negotiation with Rooney in the first place and him being brought back into the fold would have been very worthwhile. Jed may have sorted a lot of things but this one got away. Big shame, because this guy can win games for you if properly managed and would have been a rock in this seasons side.
Looking back over the years, you can see up to a point why some of our previous owners kept money on a tight string. Also consider the amountof alleged " asset stripping " which has also taken place over generations and by different owners, its a wonder anything is left. PDC abused our golden goose, Black, with constant demands for more money while his agent signed guys on Jackanory wages, and Wray did nothing to stop that rot. It would be interesting to know the details of unpaid bills around the town given that the major debt was to Black who wrote most of it off with one signature. The club itself was we are told operating and trading above board at that time . I suspect many didn't like that Jed and his buddy Power and so the stories have started. Any court cases pending, any writs been served, any bailiffs appeared ?? its all, he said she said his third cousins grand aunt knows somebody who irons shirts for some third nephew twice removed, yeh, so what! Lets see some proof. The whole shame of the matter is this was appallingly managed from day one and should have never progressed this far. A tactical re negotiation with Rooney in the first place and him being brought back into the fold would have been very worthwhile. Jed may have sorted a lot of things but this one got away. Big shame, because this guy can win games for you if properly managed and would have been a rock in this seasons side. the wizard
  • Score: 1

10:53pm Thu 27 Mar 14

Oi Den! says...

smirg kcab wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
ScottLeitch wrote:
Paolo spent the money given to him simple as that. Regardless of what he spent, he brought back a competitive spirit this club and re ignited the passion from the fans. Whatever anybody says Paolo made this club something to be proud of again and I will always thank him for that, a true inspiration.
Agree he was inspiring. But it was short-term gain for longer term pain. In the end he wrecked our dream.
I'm afraid den McDonald wrecked our dream.along with black, cooper, power.mccrory.
That's if your dream was the same as mine, which was simply promotion which was in the bag.
Any other craap that happened after paolo left was not my dream.
Grim, MacDonald was riding a lame horse. Our race was run by the time he got in the saddle. 3 words: Ritchie, Hollands, Martin. I suppose you you could counter that with another 3 players: the occasionally brilliant Luongo, the naively indisciplined Byrne and the utterly useless Parrett. PDC blew it all away. The rest is incidental.
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ScottLeitch[/bold] wrote: Paolo spent the money given to him simple as that. Regardless of what he spent, he brought back a competitive spirit this club and re ignited the passion from the fans. Whatever anybody says Paolo made this club something to be proud of again and I will always thank him for that, a true inspiration.[/p][/quote]Agree he was inspiring. But it was short-term gain for longer term pain. In the end he wrecked our dream.[/p][/quote]I'm afraid den McDonald wrecked our dream.along with black, cooper, power.mccrory. That's if your dream was the same as mine, which was simply promotion which was in the bag. Any other craap that happened after paolo left was not my dream.[/p][/quote]Grim, MacDonald was riding a lame horse. Our race was run by the time he got in the saddle. 3 words: Ritchie, Hollands, Martin. I suppose you you could counter that with another 3 players: the occasionally brilliant Luongo, the naively indisciplined Byrne and the utterly useless Parrett. PDC blew it all away. The rest is incidental. Oi Den!
  • Score: 1

11:50pm Thu 27 Mar 14

LionelHutz says...

dazzastfc wrote:
LionelHutz wrote:
King Red wrote:
LionelHutz wrote:
stfcdod wrote:
Good old Paolo. What planet are you orbiting now?
It's not Paolo's fault. He had no say on how much money there was to spend, he was just the one who spent what was given to him.

Jeremy Wray was almost universally liked by the fans, but it was he who sanctioned crazy deals like this one despite having full knowledge that Andrew Black wanted out.
Not PDC's fault! I'm sure Sunderland fans agree with you.
How long has he been gone? A year! And we are still suffering from his kid in a sweetshop ethics.
Yes I agree that I too got carried along with his fantastic enthusiasm, but for me it began to wear thin well before he started his silly games.
Also I have found it hard going at times this year and I have moaned about players and management. Especially when we sat so deep and gave matches away.
I renewed my season ticket early as I can't imagine not going to watch my club.
I feel things are on the up and was once again proud of the Towns performances over the last week or so, just wish we could have consistency.
The Sunderland situation is irrelevant to us. While I would say Paolo was frivolous with is spending, the fact remains he only spent the money given to him by the board. I also believe if that funding had continued just a few more months, we would be in the Championship now.

However, the large budget, and its subsequent cessation, was not in Paolo's control so you can't really put the blame on him when stories such as those relating to Comazzi and Rooney come to light.
. While I would say Paolo was frivolous with is spending, the fact remains he only spent the money given to him by the board....

Black left STFC BECAUSE pdc was demanding more after going in2 a transfer embargo after 10 games...
So Black gave him more and after that lot was spent pdc wonted more and more...
THEN BIG SHOCK BLACK SAID FYOU pdc thats it im out of here...
Well no, that's simply not the reason Black left. He had tried to sell the club in the summer of 2012 but the person who was going to take over sadly passed away (this is what Black said). He wanted out, yet the board still continued to spend his money. That's why he fired Jeremy Wray and put William Patey in charge.
[quote][p][bold]dazzastfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LionelHutz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]King Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LionelHutz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfcdod[/bold] wrote: Good old Paolo. What planet are you orbiting now?[/p][/quote]It's not Paolo's fault. He had no say on how much money there was to spend, he was just the one who spent what was given to him. Jeremy Wray was almost universally liked by the fans, but it was he who sanctioned crazy deals like this one despite having full knowledge that Andrew Black wanted out.[/p][/quote]Not PDC's fault! I'm sure Sunderland fans agree with you. How long has he been gone? A year! And we are still suffering from his kid in a sweetshop ethics. Yes I agree that I too got carried along with his fantastic enthusiasm, but for me it began to wear thin well before he started his silly games. Also I have found it hard going at times this year and I have moaned about players and management. Especially when we sat so deep and gave matches away. I renewed my season ticket early as I can't imagine not going to watch my club. I feel things are on the up and was once again proud of the Towns performances over the last week or so, just wish we could have consistency.[/p][/quote]The Sunderland situation is irrelevant to us. While I would say Paolo was frivolous with is spending, the fact remains he only spent the money given to him by the board. I also believe if that funding had continued just a few more months, we would be in the Championship now. However, the large budget, and its subsequent cessation, was not in Paolo's control so you can't really put the blame on him when stories such as those relating to Comazzi and Rooney come to light.[/p][/quote]. While I would say Paolo was frivolous with is spending, the fact remains he only spent the money given to him by the board.... Black left STFC BECAUSE pdc was demanding more after going in2 a transfer embargo after 10 games... So Black gave him more and after that lot was spent pdc wonted more and more... THEN BIG SHOCK BLACK SAID FYOU pdc thats it im out of here...[/p][/quote]Well no, that's simply not the reason Black left. He had tried to sell the club in the summer of 2012 but the person who was going to take over sadly passed away (this is what Black said). He wanted out, yet the board still continued to spend his money. That's why he fired Jeremy Wray and put William Patey in charge. LionelHutz
  • Score: -1

11:53pm Thu 27 Mar 14

LionelHutz says...

Oi Den! wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
ScottLeitch wrote:
Paolo spent the money given to him simple as that. Regardless of what he spent, he brought back a competitive spirit this club and re ignited the passion from the fans. Whatever anybody says Paolo made this club something to be proud of again and I will always thank him for that, a true inspiration.
Agree he was inspiring. But it was short-term gain for longer term pain. In the end he wrecked our dream.
I'm afraid den McDonald wrecked our dream.along with black, cooper, power.mccrory.
That's if your dream was the same as mine, which was simply promotion which was in the bag.
Any other craap that happened after paolo left was not my dream.
Grim, MacDonald was riding a lame horse. Our race was run by the time he got in the saddle. 3 words: Ritchie, Hollands, Martin. I suppose you you could counter that with another 3 players: the occasionally brilliant Luongo, the naively indisciplined Byrne and the utterly useless Parrett. PDC blew it all away. The rest is incidental.
Not forgetting the fact that Ritchie, Hollands and Martin left in January and we were then under a transfer embargo until the last Thursday in March which was when we were finally able to bring in Luongo and Byrne (and Parrot). I wasn't a KMac fan but the fact he was able to sign no one in that time was a big contributing factor in our massive dip in form.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ScottLeitch[/bold] wrote: Paolo spent the money given to him simple as that. Regardless of what he spent, he brought back a competitive spirit this club and re ignited the passion from the fans. Whatever anybody says Paolo made this club something to be proud of again and I will always thank him for that, a true inspiration.[/p][/quote]Agree he was inspiring. But it was short-term gain for longer term pain. In the end he wrecked our dream.[/p][/quote]I'm afraid den McDonald wrecked our dream.along with black, cooper, power.mccrory. That's if your dream was the same as mine, which was simply promotion which was in the bag. Any other craap that happened after paolo left was not my dream.[/p][/quote]Grim, MacDonald was riding a lame horse. Our race was run by the time he got in the saddle. 3 words: Ritchie, Hollands, Martin. I suppose you you could counter that with another 3 players: the occasionally brilliant Luongo, the naively indisciplined Byrne and the utterly useless Parrett. PDC blew it all away. The rest is incidental.[/p][/quote]Not forgetting the fact that Ritchie, Hollands and Martin left in January and we were then under a transfer embargo until the last Thursday in March which was when we were finally able to bring in Luongo and Byrne (and Parrot). I wasn't a KMac fan but the fact he was able to sign no one in that time was a big contributing factor in our massive dip in form. LionelHutz
  • Score: 1

12:21am Fri 28 Mar 14

Oxon-Red says...

LionelHutz wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
ScottLeitch wrote:
Paolo spent the money given to him simple as that. Regardless of what he spent, he brought back a competitive spirit this club and re ignited the passion from the fans. Whatever anybody says Paolo made this club something to be proud of again and I will always thank him for that, a true inspiration.
Agree he was inspiring. But it was short-term gain for longer term pain. In the end he wrecked our dream.
I'm afraid den McDonald wrecked our dream.along with black, cooper, power.mccrory.
That's if your dream was the same as mine, which was simply promotion which was in the bag.
Any other craap that happened after paolo left was not my dream.
Grim, MacDonald was riding a lame horse. Our race was run by the time he got in the saddle. 3 words: Ritchie, Hollands, Martin. I suppose you you could counter that with another 3 players: the occasionally brilliant Luongo, the naively indisciplined Byrne and the utterly useless Parrett. PDC blew it all away. The rest is incidental.
Not forgetting the fact that Ritchie, Hollands and Martin left in January and we were then under a transfer embargo until the last Thursday in March which was when we were finally able to bring in Luongo and Byrne (and Parrot). I wasn't a KMac fan but the fact he was able to sign no one in that time was a big contributing factor in our massive dip in form.
Lionel,
You make a good point which is often forgotten, conveniently by some IMO so they can lay blame at Kevin's door.

A few statements about Paolo spending the money he was given !!!!!!!!!! Supposition IMO unless we have 5-6 new Fredi's.

Paolo spent money he was apparently given by Wray. Does anyone know for certain that Wray had the right to give him the all clear? Did Black pull the plug because Paolo was spending too much of his money on Wray's say-so ?

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]LionelHutz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ScottLeitch[/bold] wrote: Paolo spent the money given to him simple as that. Regardless of what he spent, he brought back a competitive spirit this club and re ignited the passion from the fans. Whatever anybody says Paolo made this club something to be proud of again and I will always thank him for that, a true inspiration.[/p][/quote]Agree he was inspiring. But it was short-term gain for longer term pain. In the end he wrecked our dream.[/p][/quote]I'm afraid den McDonald wrecked our dream.along with black, cooper, power.mccrory. That's if your dream was the same as mine, which was simply promotion which was in the bag. Any other craap that happened after paolo left was not my dream.[/p][/quote]Grim, MacDonald was riding a lame horse. Our race was run by the time he got in the saddle. 3 words: Ritchie, Hollands, Martin. I suppose you you could counter that with another 3 players: the occasionally brilliant Luongo, the naively indisciplined Byrne and the utterly useless Parrett. PDC blew it all away. The rest is incidental.[/p][/quote]Not forgetting the fact that Ritchie, Hollands and Martin left in January and we were then under a transfer embargo until the last Thursday in March which was when we were finally able to bring in Luongo and Byrne (and Parrot). I wasn't a KMac fan but the fact he was able to sign no one in that time was a big contributing factor in our massive dip in form.[/p][/quote]Lionel, You make a good point which is often forgotten, conveniently by some IMO so they can lay blame at Kevin's door. A few statements about Paolo spending the money he was given !!!!!!!!!! Supposition IMO unless we have 5-6 new Fredi's. Paolo spent money he was apparently given by Wray. Does anyone know for certain that Wray had the right to give him the all clear? Did Black pull the plug because Paolo was spending too much of his money on Wray's say-so ? COYMR Oxon-Red
  • Score: 1

1:02am Fri 28 Mar 14

the wizard says...

Oxon-Red, According to Watkins PDC knew what his budget was and spent it and more. Twice Wray went to Black for more and got it, then the embargo came into being. When Black found out what it all boiled down to he went ballistic. Wray had to go, friend, mate or what ever, he had to go. PDC threatened to go and Black did not stand in his way, it was PDC's decision to stay and see what he could get out of the new owners. However he came up against Jedco who would stand for none of that nonsense, so after banding the story that he would go if he didn't get what he wanted he had forced himself into a corner, and left in the dead of night. He fell on his favourite sword, the one called Ego. Big shame, had he reigned it all in, he could have aspired to really something special here, but Man City we aint, nor is our budget.
Oxon-Red, According to Watkins PDC knew what his budget was and spent it and more. Twice Wray went to Black for more and got it, then the embargo came into being. When Black found out what it all boiled down to he went ballistic. Wray had to go, friend, mate or what ever, he had to go. PDC threatened to go and Black did not stand in his way, it was PDC's decision to stay and see what he could get out of the new owners. However he came up against Jedco who would stand for none of that nonsense, so after banding the story that he would go if he didn't get what he wanted he had forced himself into a corner, and left in the dead of night. He fell on his favourite sword, the one called Ego. Big shame, had he reigned it all in, he could have aspired to really something special here, but Man City we aint, nor is our budget. the wizard
  • Score: 0

9:36am Fri 28 Mar 14

King Red says...

smirg kcab wrote:
buckobassettboy wrote:
ScottLeitch wrote:
Paolo spent the money given to him simple as that. Regardless of what he spent, he brought back a competitive spirit this club and re ignited the passion from the fans. Whatever anybody says Paolo made this club something to be proud of again and I will always thank him for that, a true inspiration.
i concur-we would have been languishing in Div 2-at best-but were lifted out in one season by PDC and a squad that although pdc takes stick for putting them together,they did play for him and got promotion,the nucleus of that squad losing out to the Bees when Old Macdonald took over.A lot of pro Cooper and Power merchants forget that.Now although our position is almost safe for another season I have this uneasy feeling the STFC saga has not run it's course and more Krapski is on the radar.I hope I am wrong.Just don't put the bunting out yet.
Two great post.
Thumbs up chaps, agree something's lurking around the corner, it's just a matter of time untill it rears its ugly head.
Do you ever have anything positive to say?
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buckobassettboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ScottLeitch[/bold] wrote: Paolo spent the money given to him simple as that. Regardless of what he spent, he brought back a competitive spirit this club and re ignited the passion from the fans. Whatever anybody says Paolo made this club something to be proud of again and I will always thank him for that, a true inspiration.[/p][/quote]i concur-we would have been languishing in Div 2-at best-but were lifted out in one season by PDC and a squad that although pdc takes stick for putting them together,they did play for him and got promotion,the nucleus of that squad losing out to the Bees when Old Macdonald took over.A lot of pro Cooper and Power merchants forget that.Now although our position is almost safe for another season I have this uneasy feeling the STFC saga has not run it's course and more Krapski is on the radar.I hope I am wrong.Just don't put the bunting out yet.[/p][/quote]Two great post. Thumbs up chaps, agree something's lurking around the corner, it's just a matter of time untill it rears its ugly head.[/p][/quote]Do you ever have anything positive to say? King Red
  • Score: 0

8:18pm Wed 9 Apr 14

Covyred says...

port de soller wrote:
Well glad for the Town and the player.At the end of the day he was given a contract,Jed thought it was not kosher,I did have visions of the FL sticking it to us over Rooney,still glad it is sorted.
Plus we are still in a good spot in div 1,no fear of going down and who knows they may put up a good fight over the next several games,still amazed after all that has gone on how well stfc have done this season amazing
Majorca,

Coming to port soller in August. Can you recommend some decent restaurants?

Happy to share email address if it helps!
[quote][p][bold]port de soller[/bold] wrote: Well glad for the Town and the player.At the end of the day he was given a contract,Jed thought it was not kosher,I did have visions of the FL sticking it to us over Rooney,still glad it is sorted. Plus we are still in a good spot in div 1,no fear of going down and who knows they may put up a good fight over the next several games,still amazed after all that has gone on how well stfc have done this season amazing[/p][/quote]Majorca, Coming to port soller in August. Can you recommend some decent restaurants? Happy to share email address if it helps! Covyred
  • Score: 0

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