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Notts County, Portsmouth and Shrewsbury consider loan move

Swindon Advertiser: Miles Storey Miles Storey

A TRIO of Football League clubs are showing interest in Swindon Town striker Miles Storey.

The Advertiser understands Portsmouth, Shrewsbury Town and Notts County are all keen on the 20-year-old, who scored three goals for the Robins in 2013/14.

All three are believed to be considering a loan move for the frontman ahead of the new season, even though the next transfer window does not officially open until July 1.

Storey has a year remaining on his current deal at the County Ground but Town are understood to be willing to listen to loan offers for the West Midlander, who emerged through the Robins’ youth development system.

Storey spent time at Shrewsbury last year, failing to net in six appearances for the Salop side, and also had a spell with Salisbury City before returning to Wiltshire to feature regularly under Swindon manager Mark Cooper towards the end of last season.

The former Wolves man turned pro at the County Ground in 2011 and scored his first goal for the club in a 4-0 victory at Stevenage in 2012. He went on to net twice in a Capital One Cup clash with Aston Villa in SN1 the same week and this year scored goals against Tranmere Rovers, Coventry City and Sheffield United.

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5:54am Wed 7 May 14

I_Was_There_In_69 says...

Why not give him a run out for the Town? We generally look more alive, especially when he comes on as an impact player.
Why not give him a run out for the Town? We generally look more alive, especially when he comes on as an impact player. I_Was_There_In_69
  • Score: 16

6:01am Wed 7 May 14

smirg kcab says...

I_Was_There_In_69 wrote:
Why not give him a run out for the Town? We generally look more alive, especially when he comes on as an impact player.
Because cooper don't rate,
He would rather play Byrne for his height like he did Saturday
[quote][p][bold]I_Was_There_In_69[/bold] wrote: Why not give him a run out for the Town? We generally look more alive, especially when he comes on as an impact player.[/p][/quote]Because cooper don't rate, He would rather play Byrne for his height like he did Saturday smirg kcab
  • Score: -34

7:11am Wed 7 May 14

Since 1950 says...

If I were him I'd take the best loan offer and go. He clearly doesn't figure I Coopers plans.
If I were him I'd take the best loan offer and go. He clearly doesn't figure I Coopers plans. Since 1950
  • Score: 7

7:12am Wed 7 May 14

Billy hunt 65 says...

Lowest budget, Wes leaving, Storey going... Shambles
Power out bring back the Jed
Lowest budget, Wes leaving, Storey going... Shambles Power out bring back the Jed Billy hunt 65
  • Score: -72

7:39am Wed 7 May 14

old town robin says...

Since 1950 wrote:
If I were him I'd take the best loan offer and go. He clearly doesn't figure I Coopers plans.
The thing is 1950 where can Miles improve his game. he has pace, physic, ball control, can score a goal or two and tries hard to put himself about, but something is not quite there, maybe it's how Cooper sets up the style of play and he simply doesn't fit in I don't really know what's lacking but still can;t say he's deserving of a regular starting place as yet.

If he has a choice of these 3 clubs I think Pompey would be the pick, they have improved and their new manager has done well, where ever he goes I wish him luck and hopes he comes back a better player for it.
[quote][p][bold]Since 1950[/bold] wrote: If I were him I'd take the best loan offer and go. He clearly doesn't figure I Coopers plans.[/p][/quote]The thing is 1950 where can Miles improve his game. he has pace, physic, ball control, can score a goal or two and tries hard to put himself about, but something is not quite there, maybe it's how Cooper sets up the style of play and he simply doesn't fit in I don't really know what's lacking but still can;t say he's deserving of a regular starting place as yet. If he has a choice of these 3 clubs I think Pompey would be the pick, they have improved and their new manager has done well, where ever he goes I wish him luck and hopes he comes back a better player for it. old town robin
  • Score: 30

8:00am Wed 7 May 14

Rgbargee says...

It all depends on our style of play next season, if we are more direct then I would keep him at Swindon and use his pace.

So much is as yet unknown about our line up for next season that speculation about Miles moving out on loan is premature. Let's get the ownership thing out the way ASAP and then set about building a team for 2014-15.

I am not sure when the next round of court actions is to be heard anyone know?
It all depends on our style of play next season, if we are more direct then I would keep him at Swindon and use his pace. So much is as yet unknown about our line up for next season that speculation about Miles moving out on loan is premature. Let's get the ownership thing out the way ASAP and then set about building a team for 2014-15. I am not sure when the next round of court actions is to be heard anyone know? Rgbargee
  • Score: 9

8:05am Wed 7 May 14

GiulianoGrazioli says...

seems strange to be reading this already - i'd rather we keep him on and give him a chance - depends who cooper has lined up though and I think we may see more of Waldon yet? (the new Storey)
seems strange to be reading this already - i'd rather we keep him on and give him a chance - depends who cooper has lined up though and I think we may see more of Waldon yet? (the new Storey) GiulianoGrazioli
  • Score: 2

8:08am Wed 7 May 14

you gots ta be kidding me says...

I thought we were turning to youth again this year, we look a better side with players who can get behind the opposition defence, when we play the keep ball keep knocking it back to the defence football, everything is easy for the opposition it is all played in front of them, Miles can get in behind and we can play more direct football which scares the defence and has them running backwards and not pressuring us so much.

My worry is that MC and Power have learnt nothing, when we played this way for three months with one win in 11, it was the most boring thing ever. With the last 6 games when we turned to a more direct style of play we got results whilst still playing decent attacking football.

We should be keeping a talent like Storey, he hasn't been given a real chance and with us willing to listen to offers for him, how many other 1st team players are we willing to listen to offers on. I think the way the players have all been coming out saying we need to keep the nucleus of the side together shows they are also worried about who will be leaving.
I thought we were turning to youth again this year, we look a better side with players who can get behind the opposition defence, when we play the keep ball keep knocking it back to the defence football, everything is easy for the opposition it is all played in front of them, Miles can get in behind and we can play more direct football which scares the defence and has them running backwards and not pressuring us so much. My worry is that MC and Power have learnt nothing, when we played this way for three months with one win in 11, it was the most boring thing ever. With the last 6 games when we turned to a more direct style of play we got results whilst still playing decent attacking football. We should be keeping a talent like Storey, he hasn't been given a real chance and with us willing to listen to offers for him, how many other 1st team players are we willing to listen to offers on. I think the way the players have all been coming out saying we need to keep the nucleus of the side together shows they are also worried about who will be leaving. you gots ta be kidding me
  • Score: 6

8:50am Wed 7 May 14

RedRich says...

I am surprised by this as while he might not be a first choice striker, he has pace to do the job or also as a wide player & ideal coming off the bench. Yes he needs games but a season loan? maybe a 3 month once the season starts depending on who we sign. I would keep him over Barker any day, who does not look up to it. If a loan does happen, not to a team I our division.

On another note someone quoted on here yesterday that Callum Wilson would be a good signing, yes we should be so lucky, I understand Coventry are looking for £2m+ for him.

COYR
I am surprised by this as while he might not be a first choice striker, he has pace to do the job or also as a wide player & ideal coming off the bench. Yes he needs games but a season loan? maybe a 3 month once the season starts depending on who we sign. I would keep him over Barker any day, who does not look up to it. If a loan does happen, not to a team I our division. On another note someone quoted on here yesterday that Callum Wilson would be a good signing, yes we should be so lucky, I understand Coventry are looking for £2m+ for him. COYR RedRich
  • Score: 4

8:55am Wed 7 May 14

We are PANTS says...

Ok, let's chuck this out there!! Would you play Williams or Storey out wide? Williams for me every time...... Older, wiser, better positioning, not too sure about the finishing.... That said, 15 goals in his first season says that he's the better option...
Ok, let's chuck this out there!! Would you play Williams or Storey out wide? Williams for me every time...... Older, wiser, better positioning, not too sure about the finishing.... That said, 15 goals in his first season says that he's the better option... We are PANTS
  • Score: 30

9:05am Wed 7 May 14

Cleuso says...

you gots ta be kidding me wrote:
I thought we were turning to youth again this year, we look a better side with players who can get behind the opposition defence, when we play the keep ball keep knocking it back to the defence football, everything is easy for the opposition it is all played in front of them, Miles can get in behind and we can play more direct football which scares the defence and has them running backwards and not pressuring us so much.

My worry is that MC and Power have learnt nothing, when we played this way for three months with one win in 11, it was the most boring thing ever. With the last 6 games when we turned to a more direct style of play we got results whilst still playing decent attacking football.

We should be keeping a talent like Storey, he hasn't been given a real chance and with us willing to listen to offers for him, how many other 1st team players are we willing to listen to offers on. I think the way the players have all been coming out saying we need to keep the nucleus of the side together shows they are also worried about who will be leaving.
Yes stats mean everything don't they... ???? looking back at that time the results slipped, the team that had played the first 3/4 months of the season had been cut in half by injuries etc.... only when the transition of rebuilding a new team was bedded in did results improve again as can be seen by the run the team had just before the end of the season.

As to Storey I can understand he can run and score an odd goal or two, but his overall game is so far short of all things needed to become an effective force consistently and using game time with us to hone those missing elements would not benefit us if we are planning to get higher than 8th next season.
[quote][p][bold]you gots ta be kidding me[/bold] wrote: I thought we were turning to youth again this year, we look a better side with players who can get behind the opposition defence, when we play the keep ball keep knocking it back to the defence football, everything is easy for the opposition it is all played in front of them, Miles can get in behind and we can play more direct football which scares the defence and has them running backwards and not pressuring us so much. My worry is that MC and Power have learnt nothing, when we played this way for three months with one win in 11, it was the most boring thing ever. With the last 6 games when we turned to a more direct style of play we got results whilst still playing decent attacking football. We should be keeping a talent like Storey, he hasn't been given a real chance and with us willing to listen to offers for him, how many other 1st team players are we willing to listen to offers on. I think the way the players have all been coming out saying we need to keep the nucleus of the side together shows they are also worried about who will be leaving.[/p][/quote]Yes stats mean everything don't they... ???? looking back at that time the results slipped, the team that had played the first 3/4 months of the season had been cut in half by injuries etc.... only when the transition of rebuilding a new team was bedded in did results improve again as can be seen by the run the team had just before the end of the season. As to Storey I can understand he can run and score an odd goal or two, but his overall game is so far short of all things needed to become an effective force consistently and using game time with us to hone those missing elements would not benefit us if we are planning to get higher than 8th next season. Cleuso
  • Score: 7

9:07am Wed 7 May 14

Bassett Hound says...

you gots ta be kidding me wrote:
I thought we were turning to youth again this year, we look a better side with players who can get behind the opposition defence, when we play the keep ball keep knocking it back to the defence football, everything is easy for the opposition it is all played in front of them, Miles can get in behind and we can play more direct football which scares the defence and has them running backwards and not pressuring us so much.

My worry is that MC and Power have learnt nothing, when we played this way for three months with one win in 11, it was the most boring thing ever. With the last 6 games when we turned to a more direct style of play we got results whilst still playing decent attacking football.

We should be keeping a talent like Storey, he hasn't been given a real chance and with us willing to listen to offers for him, how many other 1st team players are we willing to listen to offers on. I think the way the players have all been coming out saying we need to keep the nucleus of the side together shows they are also worried about who will be leaving.
You have clearly forgot the first half of the season when this so called tippy tippy football got us in the top few and we looked good. We lost our way a bit later,heavier pitches and lack of a pre season perhaps. Not having a plan B caught us out,however we now have one so we must be able to change our game to cover different situations.
[quote][p][bold]you gots ta be kidding me[/bold] wrote: I thought we were turning to youth again this year, we look a better side with players who can get behind the opposition defence, when we play the keep ball keep knocking it back to the defence football, everything is easy for the opposition it is all played in front of them, Miles can get in behind and we can play more direct football which scares the defence and has them running backwards and not pressuring us so much. My worry is that MC and Power have learnt nothing, when we played this way for three months with one win in 11, it was the most boring thing ever. With the last 6 games when we turned to a more direct style of play we got results whilst still playing decent attacking football. We should be keeping a talent like Storey, he hasn't been given a real chance and with us willing to listen to offers for him, how many other 1st team players are we willing to listen to offers on. I think the way the players have all been coming out saying we need to keep the nucleus of the side together shows they are also worried about who will be leaving.[/p][/quote]You have clearly forgot the first half of the season when this so called tippy tippy football got us in the top few and we looked good. We lost our way a bit later,heavier pitches and lack of a pre season perhaps. Not having a plan B caught us out,however we now have one so we must be able to change our game to cover different situations. Bassett Hound
  • Score: 9

9:12am Wed 7 May 14

Billy hunt 65 says...

Stand up if you love Jed?
He will sort us out ...
Stand up if you love Jed? He will sort us out ... Billy hunt 65
  • Score: -37

9:39am Wed 7 May 14

the wizard says...

Billy hunt 65 wrote:
Stand up if you love Jed?
He will sort us out ...
Are you sure you are spelling your name correctly. i thought it began with a C.
[quote][p][bold]Billy hunt 65[/bold] wrote: Stand up if you love Jed? He will sort us out ...[/p][/quote]Are you sure you are spelling your name correctly. i thought it began with a C. the wizard
  • Score: 17

9:45am Wed 7 May 14

tifosi says...

Article 1 : Boardroom battle rumbles on
Article 2 : McEveley heads the list as Town release ten
Article 3 : Nathan stresses the importance of keeping squad together
Article 4 : Trio of clubs keen on Storey
A work in progress? – go figure
Article 1 : Boardroom battle rumbles on Article 2 : McEveley heads the list as Town release ten Article 3 : Nathan stresses the importance of keeping squad together Article 4 : Trio of clubs keen on Storey A work in progress? – go figure tifosi
  • Score: -21

9:46am Wed 7 May 14

the wizard says...

The thing is, The Adver have been fed this , but what the club isn't saying is what loans they may have already agreed for next season from say Southampton or Spurs, and that may open the way for somebody possibly better coming in for 6 months or the full season almost like Pritchard did.
Storey is on a PDC contract so we don't know how much he is being paid, and maybe his return on salary against goals scored isn't good compared with a loan who shows more promise. I expect a few more articles like this during the next few weeks and wouldn't take too much as set in stone, inquiring is one thing, paying for a player and agreeing terms is another, and these clubs don't yet know what other players that may yet become available from other clubs.
The thing is, The Adver have been fed this , but what the club isn't saying is what loans they may have already agreed for next season from say Southampton or Spurs, and that may open the way for somebody possibly better coming in for 6 months or the full season almost like Pritchard did. Storey is on a PDC contract so we don't know how much he is being paid, and maybe his return on salary against goals scored isn't good compared with a loan who shows more promise. I expect a few more articles like this during the next few weeks and wouldn't take too much as set in stone, inquiring is one thing, paying for a player and agreeing terms is another, and these clubs don't yet know what other players that may yet become available from other clubs. the wizard
  • Score: 4

9:49am Wed 7 May 14

The Jockster says...

the wizard wrote:
Billy hunt 65 wrote:
Stand up if you love Jed?
He will sort us out ...
Are you sure you are spelling your name correctly. i thought it began with a C.
Tut! Tut! Wizard! -:)
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Billy hunt 65[/bold] wrote: Stand up if you love Jed? He will sort us out ...[/p][/quote]Are you sure you are spelling your name correctly. i thought it began with a C.[/p][/quote]Tut! Tut! Wizard! -:) The Jockster
  • Score: 0

10:00am Wed 7 May 14

the wizard says...

The Jockster wrote:
the wizard wrote:
Billy hunt 65 wrote:
Stand up if you love Jed?
He will sort us out ...
Are you sure you are spelling your name correctly. i thought it began with a C.
Tut! Tut! Wizard! -:)
Cilly, girls name short for Cellia, or Pricilla . What were you thinking ?
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Billy hunt 65[/bold] wrote: Stand up if you love Jed? He will sort us out ...[/p][/quote]Are you sure you are spelling your name correctly. i thought it began with a C.[/p][/quote]Tut! Tut! Wizard! -:)[/p][/quote]Cilly, girls name short for Cellia, or Pricilla . What were you thinking ? the wizard
  • Score: 3

11:08am Wed 7 May 14

stfcflag says...

Too right they're keen on him, he's a great cheap talent and has not been given the chance he needs here yet. Look how well Louis has come on this year when given the chance, I can't understand Coopers issue with him. A terrible decision if we do send him out on loan, he's cheap, he's good, keep him ! We need pace and flair and something different off the bench or preferably from the start of the game. He entertains and personally I want to see more of that. Crazy if we let him go, high earners understood, young talent, fools. Not suprised as Cooper clearly hasn't rated him all year but for me a terrible decision. Gutted but not suprised. I've renewed my season ticket but really really hope for better next year. You've grown, you've learnt now play football and never repeat sheffield united away ...
Too right they're keen on him, he's a great cheap talent and has not been given the chance he needs here yet. Look how well Louis has come on this year when given the chance, I can't understand Coopers issue with him. A terrible decision if we do send him out on loan, he's cheap, he's good, keep him ! We need pace and flair and something different off the bench or preferably from the start of the game. He entertains and personally I want to see more of that. Crazy if we let him go, high earners understood, young talent, fools. Not suprised as Cooper clearly hasn't rated him all year but for me a terrible decision. Gutted but not suprised. I've renewed my season ticket but really really hope for better next year. You've grown, you've learnt now play football and never repeat sheffield united away ... stfcflag
  • Score: 1

11:08am Wed 7 May 14

old town robin says...

We are PANTS wrote:
Ok, let's chuck this out there!! Would you play Williams or Storey out wide? Williams for me every time...... Older, wiser, better positioning, not too sure about the finishing.... That said, 15 goals in his first season says that he's the better option...
I was thinking the same Pants, I think many fans have forgotten about Williams, but until someone come in with an offer he's still our player and we will be paying his wages. Him and Storey are a bit similar with their pace to get behind defences, so not sure there is enough room for both of them, also agree with RedRich if Storey is loaned out better he goes for 3 months not for the season because if Williams does well for the first period, we would surely be looking to off load him for a fee at Xmas rather than let his contract run down in the summer

Whomever goes out on loan I wonder which ones will be prepared their wages 100%, not many I thinks.

On another note if Pompey are looking to put their squad together so early, I really would like us to make a move for Danny Holland before he's snapped up, the fact he was playing at a lower level for a club that couldn't even afford to pay Bensons wages should give us an edge, but just get the feeling until this ownership malarkey is sorted we aren't going to be able to make any moves for anyone and the best of the bunch will already be snapped up and we will be left to choose from those that nobody else wants.
[quote][p][bold]We are PANTS[/bold] wrote: Ok, let's chuck this out there!! Would you play Williams or Storey out wide? Williams for me every time...... Older, wiser, better positioning, not too sure about the finishing.... That said, 15 goals in his first season says that he's the better option...[/p][/quote]I was thinking the same Pants, I think many fans have forgotten about Williams, but until someone come in with an offer he's still our player and we will be paying his wages. Him and Storey are a bit similar with their pace to get behind defences, so not sure there is enough room for both of them, also agree with RedRich if Storey is loaned out better he goes for 3 months not for the season because if Williams does well for the first period, we would surely be looking to off load him for a fee at Xmas rather than let his contract run down in the summer Whomever goes out on loan I wonder which ones will be prepared their wages 100%, not many I thinks. On another note if Pompey are looking to put their squad together so early, I really would like us to make a move for Danny Holland before he's snapped up, the fact he was playing at a lower level for a club that couldn't even afford to pay Bensons wages should give us an edge, but just get the feeling until this ownership malarkey is sorted we aren't going to be able to make any moves for anyone and the best of the bunch will already be snapped up and we will be left to choose from those that nobody else wants. old town robin
  • Score: 4

11:14am Wed 7 May 14

LeGod says...

Cant see Williams being here next season his wages are high and we are going the other way with wages. As for Miles if he gets experience playing regularly then a move would be best for him and our club and if did go on loan I would opt for Pompey as I think they will do the business next season in that league and maybe dropping down a league will also give him more confidence if he is banging a few goals in plus playing in front of 15k fans every week has to be good.
Cant see Williams being here next season his wages are high and we are going the other way with wages. As for Miles if he gets experience playing regularly then a move would be best for him and our club and if did go on loan I would opt for Pompey as I think they will do the business next season in that league and maybe dropping down a league will also give him more confidence if he is banging a few goals in plus playing in front of 15k fans every week has to be good. LeGod
  • Score: 2

11:23am Wed 7 May 14

Oi Den! says...

Bassett Hound wrote:
you gots ta be kidding me wrote:
I thought we were turning to youth again this year, we look a better side with players who can get behind the opposition defence, when we play the keep ball keep knocking it back to the defence football, everything is easy for the opposition it is all played in front of them, Miles can get in behind and we can play more direct football which scares the defence and has them running backwards and not pressuring us so much.

My worry is that MC and Power have learnt nothing, when we played this way for three months with one win in 11, it was the most boring thing ever. With the last 6 games when we turned to a more direct style of play we got results whilst still playing decent attacking football.

We should be keeping a talent like Storey, he hasn't been given a real chance and with us willing to listen to offers for him, how many other 1st team players are we willing to listen to offers on. I think the way the players have all been coming out saying we need to keep the nucleus of the side together shows they are also worried about who will be leaving.
You have clearly forgot the first half of the season when this so called tippy tippy football got us in the top few and we looked good. We lost our way a bit later,heavier pitches and lack of a pre season perhaps. Not having a plan B caught us out,however we now have one so we must be able to change our game to cover different situations.
Bassett, I'm not having a go at you here but it seems to have become fashionable in the last few years to talk about "a pre-season" as if the whole of the following season depends on it. Of course it has value, in that it helps any new players to get to know their teammates, the way the manager works etc and it helps everyone to fine-tune their fitness. But isn't it reasonable to expect professional footballers to come back from their holidays in good shape? And surely after a month or two of a new season, whatever happened or didn't happen in the summer regarding tactics etc becomes irrelevant, doesn't it?

Even if I'm wrong about this, I can't see that a bad spell in mid-season can be attributed to lack of pre-season preparation when the team started off well. If it wasn't a problem early in the season, how can it be a problem later on?

I stand by my view that our squad was simply not cut out for coping with tough winter conditions. It's the most important factor to address during this close season. If we don't sort it out, 8th place will look like a very lofty position this time next year. You can have plans all the way from A to Z but you can't execute them if you don't have the players to do it.
[quote][p][bold]Bassett Hound[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]you gots ta be kidding me[/bold] wrote: I thought we were turning to youth again this year, we look a better side with players who can get behind the opposition defence, when we play the keep ball keep knocking it back to the defence football, everything is easy for the opposition it is all played in front of them, Miles can get in behind and we can play more direct football which scares the defence and has them running backwards and not pressuring us so much. My worry is that MC and Power have learnt nothing, when we played this way for three months with one win in 11, it was the most boring thing ever. With the last 6 games when we turned to a more direct style of play we got results whilst still playing decent attacking football. We should be keeping a talent like Storey, he hasn't been given a real chance and with us willing to listen to offers for him, how many other 1st team players are we willing to listen to offers on. I think the way the players have all been coming out saying we need to keep the nucleus of the side together shows they are also worried about who will be leaving.[/p][/quote]You have clearly forgot the first half of the season when this so called tippy tippy football got us in the top few and we looked good. We lost our way a bit later,heavier pitches and lack of a pre season perhaps. Not having a plan B caught us out,however we now have one so we must be able to change our game to cover different situations.[/p][/quote]Bassett, I'm not having a go at you here but it seems to have become fashionable in the last few years to talk about "a pre-season" as if the whole of the following season depends on it. Of course it has value, in that it helps any new players to get to know their teammates, the way the manager works etc and it helps everyone to fine-tune their fitness. But isn't it reasonable to expect professional footballers to come back from their holidays in good shape? And surely after a month or two of a new season, whatever happened or didn't happen in the summer regarding tactics etc becomes irrelevant, doesn't it? Even if I'm wrong about this, I can't see that a bad spell in mid-season can be attributed to lack of pre-season preparation when the team started off well. If it wasn't a problem early in the season, how can it be a problem later on? I stand by my view that our squad was simply not cut out for coping with tough winter conditions. It's the most important factor to address during this close season. If we don't sort it out, 8th place will look like a very lofty position this time next year. You can have plans all the way from A to Z but you can't execute them if you don't have the players to do it. Oi Den!
  • Score: 0

12:05pm Wed 7 May 14

Cleuso says...

LeGod wrote:
Cant see Williams being here next season his wages are high and we are going the other way with wages. As for Miles if he gets experience playing regularly then a move would be best for him and our club and if did go on loan I would opt for Pompey as I think they will do the business next season in that league and maybe dropping down a league will also give him more confidence if he is banging a few goals in plus playing in front of 15k fans every week has to be good.
Is there really guarantee he will be playing every week ... ???
[quote][p][bold]LeGod[/bold] wrote: Cant see Williams being here next season his wages are high and we are going the other way with wages. As for Miles if he gets experience playing regularly then a move would be best for him and our club and if did go on loan I would opt for Pompey as I think they will do the business next season in that league and maybe dropping down a league will also give him more confidence if he is banging a few goals in plus playing in front of 15k fans every week has to be good.[/p][/quote]Is there really guarantee he will be playing every week ... ??? Cleuso
  • Score: 0

12:12pm Wed 7 May 14

Wilesy says...

I can't see Williams staying - he was shipped out on loan to Yeovil before he got injured, so clearly doesn't feature in Coopers plans. I can see him going back there.

As for Storey well he is currently our number 2 striker behind Smith. A loan out at this stage seems premature, although it may be best for Miles to move on and get games as Cooper clearly has doubts over his ability, and I doubt he will be one of the first choice strikers next season, as surely Ranger leaving frees up money for a new first choice striker, maybe two....

Personally I like Storey and would prefer to keep him for another season, he is pacy and has bulked up and just needs games, but then I can see Coopers concern, and I'm not convinced he is the 20 goal striker we need. I think Smith has 20 goals in him, despite his inconsistent touch and hold up play.
I can't see Williams staying - he was shipped out on loan to Yeovil before he got injured, so clearly doesn't feature in Coopers plans. I can see him going back there. As for Storey well he is currently our number 2 striker behind Smith. A loan out at this stage seems premature, although it may be best for Miles to move on and get games as Cooper clearly has doubts over his ability, and I doubt he will be one of the first choice strikers next season, as surely Ranger leaving frees up money for a new first choice striker, maybe two.... Personally I like Storey and would prefer to keep him for another season, he is pacy and has bulked up and just needs games, but then I can see Coopers concern, and I'm not convinced he is the 20 goal striker we need. I think Smith has 20 goals in him, despite his inconsistent touch and hold up play. Wilesy
  • Score: 3

12:16pm Wed 7 May 14

LionelHutz says...

the wizard wrote:
The thing is, The Adver have been fed this , but what the club isn't saying is what loans they may have already agreed for next season from say Southampton or Spurs, and that may open the way for somebody possibly better coming in for 6 months or the full season almost like Pritchard did. Storey is on a PDC contract so we don't know how much he is being paid, and maybe his return on salary against goals scored isn't good compared with a loan who shows more promise. I expect a few more articles like this during the next few weeks and wouldn't take too much as set in stone, inquiring is one thing, paying for a player and agreeing terms is another, and these clubs don't yet know what other players that may yet become available from other clubs.
Storey isn't on a PDC or, more pertinently, Wray contract. He only signed a 2 year deal last year - http://www.thisisswi
ndontownfc.co.uk/new
s/10672989.SWINDON_T
OWN__Miles_secures_f
uture_with_two_year_
deal/

I think he's come on leaps and bounds in the second half of the season and has looked a real threat. Definitely worth keeping. His finish against Sheffield United was absolute class and I honestly think he's a better player than Andy Williams (who is definitely on a PDC/Wray contract!) and will only improve as well.
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: The thing is, The Adver have been fed this , but what the club isn't saying is what loans they may have already agreed for next season from say Southampton or Spurs, and that may open the way for somebody possibly better coming in for 6 months or the full season almost like Pritchard did. Storey is on a PDC contract so we don't know how much he is being paid, and maybe his return on salary against goals scored isn't good compared with a loan who shows more promise. I expect a few more articles like this during the next few weeks and wouldn't take too much as set in stone, inquiring is one thing, paying for a player and agreeing terms is another, and these clubs don't yet know what other players that may yet become available from other clubs.[/p][/quote]Storey isn't on a PDC or, more pertinently, Wray contract. He only signed a 2 year deal last year - http://www.thisisswi ndontownfc.co.uk/new s/10672989.SWINDON_T OWN__Miles_secures_f uture_with_two_year_ deal/ I think he's come on leaps and bounds in the second half of the season and has looked a real threat. Definitely worth keeping. His finish against Sheffield United was absolute class and I honestly think he's a better player than Andy Williams (who is definitely on a PDC/Wray contract!) and will only improve as well. LionelHutz
  • Score: 1

1:28pm Wed 7 May 14

Brainy_G93 says...

It's all about opinions I know but, in mine, Williams is a far better player than Storey.
It's all about opinions I know but, in mine, Williams is a far better player than Storey. Brainy_G93
  • Score: 4

1:30pm Wed 7 May 14

badger58 says...

IMO he shouldn't be going out on loan , either play him or sell him Once again imo he showed great potential last season until put out in the cold by PDC , since getting back in the squad he seems to lack confidence and I'm not convinced he will make it here but only time will tell and hope I'm proved wrong .
IMO he shouldn't be going out on loan , either play him or sell him Once again imo he showed great potential last season until put out in the cold by PDC , since getting back in the squad he seems to lack confidence and I'm not convinced he will make it here but only time will tell and hope I'm proved wrong . badger58
  • Score: 0

1:30pm Wed 7 May 14

Bassett Hound says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Bassett Hound wrote:
you gots ta be kidding me wrote:
I thought we were turning to youth again this year, we look a better side with players who can get behind the opposition defence, when we play the keep ball keep knocking it back to the defence football, everything is easy for the opposition it is all played in front of them, Miles can get in behind and we can play more direct football which scares the defence and has them running backwards and not pressuring us so much.

My worry is that MC and Power have learnt nothing, when we played this way for three months with one win in 11, it was the most boring thing ever. With the last 6 games when we turned to a more direct style of play we got results whilst still playing decent attacking football.

We should be keeping a talent like Storey, he hasn't been given a real chance and with us willing to listen to offers for him, how many other 1st team players are we willing to listen to offers on. I think the way the players have all been coming out saying we need to keep the nucleus of the side together shows they are also worried about who will be leaving.
You have clearly forgot the first half of the season when this so called tippy tippy football got us in the top few and we looked good. We lost our way a bit later,heavier pitches and lack of a pre season perhaps. Not having a plan B caught us out,however we now have one so we must be able to change our game to cover different situations.
Bassett, I'm not having a go at you here but it seems to have become fashionable in the last few years to talk about "a pre-season" as if the whole of the following season depends on it. Of course it has value, in that it helps any new players to get to know their teammates, the way the manager works etc and it helps everyone to fine-tune their fitness. But isn't it reasonable to expect professional footballers to come back from their holidays in good shape? And surely after a month or two of a new season, whatever happened or didn't happen in the summer regarding tactics etc becomes irrelevant, doesn't it?

Even if I'm wrong about this, I can't see that a bad spell in mid-season can be attributed to lack of pre-season preparation when the team started off well. If it wasn't a problem early in the season, how can it be a problem later on?

I stand by my view that our squad was simply not cut out for coping with tough winter conditions. It's the most important factor to address during this close season. If we don't sort it out, 8th place will look like a very lofty position this time next year. You can have plans all the way from A to Z but you can't execute them if you don't have the players to do it.
You have a point regarding being to lightweight,but for me the main problem was not having a plan B. Other teams worked us out and we could not change anything.
I agree with you over players not coming back fighting fit,I also can't understand why the fitness staff don't put them through a pre season type program when they join.That said most managers seem to say that missing out on a proper pre season caused problems with fitness and injuries later in the year.
PDC always said a full out pre-season was a must.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bassett Hound[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]you gots ta be kidding me[/bold] wrote: I thought we were turning to youth again this year, we look a better side with players who can get behind the opposition defence, when we play the keep ball keep knocking it back to the defence football, everything is easy for the opposition it is all played in front of them, Miles can get in behind and we can play more direct football which scares the defence and has them running backwards and not pressuring us so much. My worry is that MC and Power have learnt nothing, when we played this way for three months with one win in 11, it was the most boring thing ever. With the last 6 games when we turned to a more direct style of play we got results whilst still playing decent attacking football. We should be keeping a talent like Storey, he hasn't been given a real chance and with us willing to listen to offers for him, how many other 1st team players are we willing to listen to offers on. I think the way the players have all been coming out saying we need to keep the nucleus of the side together shows they are also worried about who will be leaving.[/p][/quote]You have clearly forgot the first half of the season when this so called tippy tippy football got us in the top few and we looked good. We lost our way a bit later,heavier pitches and lack of a pre season perhaps. Not having a plan B caught us out,however we now have one so we must be able to change our game to cover different situations.[/p][/quote]Bassett, I'm not having a go at you here but it seems to have become fashionable in the last few years to talk about "a pre-season" as if the whole of the following season depends on it. Of course it has value, in that it helps any new players to get to know their teammates, the way the manager works etc and it helps everyone to fine-tune their fitness. But isn't it reasonable to expect professional footballers to come back from their holidays in good shape? And surely after a month or two of a new season, whatever happened or didn't happen in the summer regarding tactics etc becomes irrelevant, doesn't it? Even if I'm wrong about this, I can't see that a bad spell in mid-season can be attributed to lack of pre-season preparation when the team started off well. If it wasn't a problem early in the season, how can it be a problem later on? I stand by my view that our squad was simply not cut out for coping with tough winter conditions. It's the most important factor to address during this close season. If we don't sort it out, 8th place will look like a very lofty position this time next year. You can have plans all the way from A to Z but you can't execute them if you don't have the players to do it.[/p][/quote]You have a point regarding being to lightweight,but for me the main problem was not having a plan B. Other teams worked us out and we could not change anything. I agree with you over players not coming back fighting fit,I also can't understand why the fitness staff don't put them through a pre season type program when they join.That said most managers seem to say that missing out on a proper pre season caused problems with fitness and injuries later in the year. PDC always said a full out pre-season was a must. Bassett Hound
  • Score: 1

1:31pm Wed 7 May 14

you gots ta be kidding me says...

Bassett Hound wrote:
you gots ta be kidding me wrote: I thought we were turning to youth again this year, we look a better side with players who can get behind the opposition defence, when we play the keep ball keep knocking it back to the defence football, everything is easy for the opposition it is all played in front of them, Miles can get in behind and we can play more direct football which scares the defence and has them running backwards and not pressuring us so much. My worry is that MC and Power have learnt nothing, when we played this way for three months with one win in 11, it was the most boring thing ever. With the last 6 games when we turned to a more direct style of play we got results whilst still playing decent attacking football. We should be keeping a talent like Storey, he hasn't been given a real chance and with us willing to listen to offers for him, how many other 1st team players are we willing to listen to offers on. I think the way the players have all been coming out saying we need to keep the nucleus of the side together shows they are also worried about who will be leaving.
You have clearly forgot the first half of the season when this so called tippy tippy football got us in the top few and we looked good. We lost our way a bit later,heavier pitches and lack of a pre season perhaps. Not having a plan B caught us out,however we now have one so we must be able to change our game to cover different situations.
Bassett I clearly haven't forgotten about our good start, we looked better at the start of the season because we were still having a go and playing attacking football, although I was still going to the away games and watching awful performances (wolves aside) Shrewsbury for me was one of the worst away performances I have ever witnessed, which was fairly early in the season. My point is during that bad run, we didn't just look tippy tappy we had no purpose and no attacking idea, partly because we played 1 up front and all of our football was in front of the opposition. As you said there was no plan B, for me plan A+B comes from the manager and our plan B appeared to pack the midfield and play no strikers. We all see things differently but if we go into next year playing total football in front of the big lumps that sit and defend I do fear the worst, we need to have a good balance of knocking the ball around but also there has to be a purpose, I can't tell you how frustrating it is to watch pretty little traingles in our own half when you are 1-0 down, or trying to change the formation to make it even more defensive when you are only 1-0 up and cant keep a clean sheet.

Some of our players have thrived this year, both of the Thompsons have improved, Kasim has more good days than bad, Luongo blows a bit hot and cold.

I have no doubt that Power will have some decent loans lined up and I do think we will sign some young players, but I would personaly prefer a manager with experience, not only in managing but for me the players haven't appeared fit enough this season, so if we are keeping Cooper, maybe he needs a fitness coach bringing on board to help him out with that element, I like Williams he is a highly rated coach.

So Bassett please dont think I am all doom, far from it, but people all seem to forget how bad we were for a long time, if that was down to the pitches then it needs to be recognised and our play adjusted to suit that time of the year.
[quote][p][bold]Bassett Hound[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]you gots ta be kidding me[/bold] wrote: I thought we were turning to youth again this year, we look a better side with players who can get behind the opposition defence, when we play the keep ball keep knocking it back to the defence football, everything is easy for the opposition it is all played in front of them, Miles can get in behind and we can play more direct football which scares the defence and has them running backwards and not pressuring us so much. My worry is that MC and Power have learnt nothing, when we played this way for three months with one win in 11, it was the most boring thing ever. With the last 6 games when we turned to a more direct style of play we got results whilst still playing decent attacking football. We should be keeping a talent like Storey, he hasn't been given a real chance and with us willing to listen to offers for him, how many other 1st team players are we willing to listen to offers on. I think the way the players have all been coming out saying we need to keep the nucleus of the side together shows they are also worried about who will be leaving.[/p][/quote]You have clearly forgot the first half of the season when this so called tippy tippy football got us in the top few and we looked good. We lost our way a bit later,heavier pitches and lack of a pre season perhaps. Not having a plan B caught us out,however we now have one so we must be able to change our game to cover different situations.[/p][/quote]Bassett I clearly haven't forgotten about our good start, we looked better at the start of the season because we were still having a go and playing attacking football, although I was still going to the away games and watching awful performances (wolves aside) Shrewsbury for me was one of the worst away performances I have ever witnessed, which was fairly early in the season. My point is during that bad run, we didn't just look tippy tappy we had no purpose and no attacking idea, partly because we played 1 up front and all of our football was in front of the opposition. As you said there was no plan B, for me plan A+B comes from the manager and our plan B appeared to pack the midfield and play no strikers. We all see things differently but if we go into next year playing total football in front of the big lumps that sit and defend I do fear the worst, we need to have a good balance of knocking the ball around but also there has to be a purpose, I can't tell you how frustrating it is to watch pretty little traingles in our own half when you are 1-0 down, or trying to change the formation to make it even more defensive when you are only 1-0 up and cant keep a clean sheet. Some of our players have thrived this year, both of the Thompsons have improved, Kasim has more good days than bad, Luongo blows a bit hot and cold. I have no doubt that Power will have some decent loans lined up and I do think we will sign some young players, but I would personaly prefer a manager with experience, not only in managing but for me the players haven't appeared fit enough this season, so if we are keeping Cooper, maybe he needs a fitness coach bringing on board to help him out with that element, I like Williams he is a highly rated coach. So Bassett please dont think I am all doom, far from it, but people all seem to forget how bad we were for a long time, if that was down to the pitches then it needs to be recognised and our play adjusted to suit that time of the year. you gots ta be kidding me
  • Score: 1

1:35pm Wed 7 May 14

Oi Den! says...

Wilesy wrote:
I can't see Williams staying - he was shipped out on loan to Yeovil before he got injured, so clearly doesn't feature in Coopers plans. I can see him going back there.

As for Storey well he is currently our number 2 striker behind Smith. A loan out at this stage seems premature, although it may be best for Miles to move on and get games as Cooper clearly has doubts over his ability, and I doubt he will be one of the first choice strikers next season, as surely Ranger leaving frees up money for a new first choice striker, maybe two....

Personally I like Storey and would prefer to keep him for another season, he is pacy and has bulked up and just needs games, but then I can see Coopers concern, and I'm not convinced he is the 20 goal striker we need. I think Smith has 20 goals in him, despite his inconsistent touch and hold up play.
Wilesy, the Williams move might have been a McCrory cost cutting measure more than anything. I have a feeling Williams will be in the picture next season.

Strange how the "sustainable model" involved the necessity to cut salaries, get rid of players and wheedle out of contracts, while at the same time paying a salary to the son of one of McCrory's mates, who was about as likely to play for the Town as I am.
[quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: I can't see Williams staying - he was shipped out on loan to Yeovil before he got injured, so clearly doesn't feature in Coopers plans. I can see him going back there. As for Storey well he is currently our number 2 striker behind Smith. A loan out at this stage seems premature, although it may be best for Miles to move on and get games as Cooper clearly has doubts over his ability, and I doubt he will be one of the first choice strikers next season, as surely Ranger leaving frees up money for a new first choice striker, maybe two.... Personally I like Storey and would prefer to keep him for another season, he is pacy and has bulked up and just needs games, but then I can see Coopers concern, and I'm not convinced he is the 20 goal striker we need. I think Smith has 20 goals in him, despite his inconsistent touch and hold up play.[/p][/quote]Wilesy, the Williams move might have been a McCrory cost cutting measure more than anything. I have a feeling Williams will be in the picture next season. Strange how the "sustainable model" involved the necessity to cut salaries, get rid of players and wheedle out of contracts, while at the same time paying a salary to the son of one of McCrory's mates, who was about as likely to play for the Town as I am. Oi Den!
  • Score: 2

1:36pm Wed 7 May 14

JamieM78 says...

I'm generally a supporter of Cooper but I have no idea why he would even consider letting Storey going out on loan. Quick, direct, instinctive striker, passionate about stfc, scores goals, a great foil for Smith. Just don't get it!
I'm generally a supporter of Cooper but I have no idea why he would even consider letting Storey going out on loan. Quick, direct, instinctive striker, passionate about stfc, scores goals, a great foil for Smith. Just don't get it! JamieM78
  • Score: 2

1:38pm Wed 7 May 14

lifelong red says...

The fact that shrews want Miles back for a second loan spell indicates he didn't do to badly whilst there . Its so frustrating when you know he has the ability , has pace and can score goals , but just doesn't seem to be able to go that extra mile in his development , but at age 20 still has plenty of time on his side . I will be watching his progress with great interest , to whoever he goes out on loan to next season .
The fact that shrews want Miles back for a second loan spell indicates he didn't do to badly whilst there . Its so frustrating when you know he has the ability , has pace and can score goals , but just doesn't seem to be able to go that extra mile in his development , but at age 20 still has plenty of time on his side . I will be watching his progress with great interest , to whoever he goes out on loan to next season . lifelong red
  • Score: 1

1:42pm Wed 7 May 14

London Red says...

Just because a trio of clubs are interested in him doesn't mean he is going anywhere - we were interested in a trio of Brentford players and didn't sign any of them!
.
This type of story is going to be happening throughout the next few weeks/months as they have to fill the paper with something
.
As for Storey - he simply has not made the progress required this season and therefore, is not part of the core - unlike Louis who clearly did take his chance
.
However, I don't think he should be put on the scrap heap yet as still very young - what 19 possibly 20 - so should be given next season to see if he can adapt his game - as if he is going to make it in football he really needs to be able to play in other formations than an old fashion 442
.
If not then simply don't take up his option and release him like we have others
.
As mentioned above - if it comes down to Williams V Storey - then Williams would get the nod - especially if we are playing 4231/433 or the 343 of recent weeks
.
I don't rate Williams as a striker - but as a wide forward he could be deadly as he has great pace and can run with the ball - so maybe out wide the pressue to score 20+ is not there and he could could chip in with a number of assists and then 10+ goals - similar to Pritchard's return this term
.
Also in a front 3 he is more forward than a traditional winger - so that probably would benefit him
.
If we are going to pay him we might as well play him!
.
Storey however would be good cover and an option from the bench
.
Assuming (and this is a big assumption) Troy signs on then the team is likely to shapoe up like this:
.
Fodders
Thompson TAH Branco Byrne
Kasim Thompson
Tijane Luongo Williams
Smith
.
Bench then Belford, Barthram, Jones, DeCosta, Barker, Waldon and Storey
.
Think we are down those 18 who are under contract or offered a new one
.
That is not a bad starting point though!
.
4 signings were muted - so ideally we will see a CB, a defensive midfielder, a wideman and a powerful striker
.
Wages likley to be an issue - but Peter Clarke has been released from Udders - and would be an excellent CB to come in and at 32 should have a season or 2 left in him
.
Hollands or Diagouraga would be good options in midfield
.
Ajose would be an outstanding signing up top - especially as we know he can play in the wide forward position - him Williams and Smith would scare most L1 defences!
.
Then who knows who we could get in on loan on top of that?
Just because a trio of clubs are interested in him doesn't mean he is going anywhere - we were interested in a trio of Brentford players and didn't sign any of them! . This type of story is going to be happening throughout the next few weeks/months as they have to fill the paper with something . As for Storey - he simply has not made the progress required this season and therefore, is not part of the core - unlike Louis who clearly did take his chance . However, I don't think he should be put on the scrap heap yet as still very young - what 19 possibly 20 - so should be given next season to see if he can adapt his game - as if he is going to make it in football he really needs to be able to play in other formations than an old fashion 442 . If not then simply don't take up his option and release him like we have others . As mentioned above - if it comes down to Williams V Storey - then Williams would get the nod - especially if we are playing 4231/433 or the 343 of recent weeks . I don't rate Williams as a striker - but as a wide forward he could be deadly as he has great pace and can run with the ball - so maybe out wide the pressue to score 20+ is not there and he could could chip in with a number of assists and then 10+ goals - similar to Pritchard's return this term . Also in a front 3 he is more forward than a traditional winger - so that probably would benefit him . If we are going to pay him we might as well play him! . Storey however would be good cover and an option from the bench . Assuming (and this is a big assumption) Troy signs on then the team is likely to shapoe up like this: . Fodders Thompson TAH Branco Byrne Kasim Thompson Tijane Luongo Williams Smith . Bench then Belford, Barthram, Jones, DeCosta, Barker, Waldon and Storey . Think we are down those 18 who are under contract or offered a new one . That is not a bad starting point though! . 4 signings were muted - so ideally we will see a CB, a defensive midfielder, a wideman and a powerful striker . Wages likley to be an issue - but Peter Clarke has been released from Udders - and would be an excellent CB to come in and at 32 should have a season or 2 left in him . Hollands or Diagouraga would be good options in midfield . Ajose would be an outstanding signing up top - especially as we know he can play in the wide forward position - him Williams and Smith would scare most L1 defences! . Then who knows who we could get in on loan on top of that? London Red
  • Score: 5

1:48pm Wed 7 May 14

London Red says...

Bassett Hound wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Bassett Hound wrote:
you gots ta be kidding me wrote: I thought we were turning to youth again this year, we look a better side with players who can get behind the opposition defence, when we play the keep ball keep knocking it back to the defence football, everything is easy for the opposition it is all played in front of them, Miles can get in behind and we can play more direct football which scares the defence and has them running backwards and not pressuring us so much. My worry is that MC and Power have learnt nothing, when we played this way for three months with one win in 11, it was the most boring thing ever. With the last 6 games when we turned to a more direct style of play we got results whilst still playing decent attacking football. We should be keeping a talent like Storey, he hasn't been given a real chance and with us willing to listen to offers for him, how many other 1st team players are we willing to listen to offers on. I think the way the players have all been coming out saying we need to keep the nucleus of the side together shows they are also worried about who will be leaving.
You have clearly forgot the first half of the season when this so called tippy tippy football got us in the top few and we looked good. We lost our way a bit later,heavier pitches and lack of a pre season perhaps. Not having a plan B caught us out,however we now have one so we must be able to change our game to cover different situations.
Bassett, I'm not having a go at you here but it seems to have become fashionable in the last few years to talk about "a pre-season" as if the whole of the following season depends on it. Of course it has value, in that it helps any new players to get to know their teammates, the way the manager works etc and it helps everyone to fine-tune their fitness. But isn't it reasonable to expect professional footballers to come back from their holidays in good shape? And surely after a month or two of a new season, whatever happened or didn't happen in the summer regarding tactics etc becomes irrelevant, doesn't it? Even if I'm wrong about this, I can't see that a bad spell in mid-season can be attributed to lack of pre-season preparation when the team started off well. If it wasn't a problem early in the season, how can it be a problem later on? I stand by my view that our squad was simply not cut out for coping with tough winter conditions. It's the most important factor to address during this close season. If we don't sort it out, 8th place will look like a very lofty position this time next year. You can have plans all the way from A to Z but you can't execute them if you don't have the players to do it.
You have a point regarding being to lightweight,but for me the main problem was not having a plan B. Other teams worked us out and we could not change anything. I agree with you over players not coming back fighting fit,I also can't understand why the fitness staff don't put them through a pre season type program when they join.That said most managers seem to say that missing out on a proper pre season caused problems with fitness and injuries later in the year. PDC always said a full out pre-season was a must.
Pre-season is an absolute must and vital!
.
There is a reason why Lou use to have the boys do all the running in pre-season and why PdC didn't let them see a ball for weeks
.
It is all about building stamina to see a player through the season
.
Yes they have a responsibility to come back fit - but fit is not match fit and season long fit
.
Then on top of fitness it gives the squad the chance to really work on systems etc - which during a season they just don't get the time to do
.
Hopefully Power will sort all the off field issues out quickl;y so come July 1 when we return we will have pretty much the full squad in place to have a real decent pre-season to set us up for a decent campaign
[quote][p][bold]Bassett Hound[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bassett Hound[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]you gots ta be kidding me[/bold] wrote: I thought we were turning to youth again this year, we look a better side with players who can get behind the opposition defence, when we play the keep ball keep knocking it back to the defence football, everything is easy for the opposition it is all played in front of them, Miles can get in behind and we can play more direct football which scares the defence and has them running backwards and not pressuring us so much. My worry is that MC and Power have learnt nothing, when we played this way for three months with one win in 11, it was the most boring thing ever. With the last 6 games when we turned to a more direct style of play we got results whilst still playing decent attacking football. We should be keeping a talent like Storey, he hasn't been given a real chance and with us willing to listen to offers for him, how many other 1st team players are we willing to listen to offers on. I think the way the players have all been coming out saying we need to keep the nucleus of the side together shows they are also worried about who will be leaving.[/p][/quote]You have clearly forgot the first half of the season when this so called tippy tippy football got us in the top few and we looked good. We lost our way a bit later,heavier pitches and lack of a pre season perhaps. Not having a plan B caught us out,however we now have one so we must be able to change our game to cover different situations.[/p][/quote]Bassett, I'm not having a go at you here but it seems to have become fashionable in the last few years to talk about "a pre-season" as if the whole of the following season depends on it. Of course it has value, in that it helps any new players to get to know their teammates, the way the manager works etc and it helps everyone to fine-tune their fitness. But isn't it reasonable to expect professional footballers to come back from their holidays in good shape? And surely after a month or two of a new season, whatever happened or didn't happen in the summer regarding tactics etc becomes irrelevant, doesn't it? Even if I'm wrong about this, I can't see that a bad spell in mid-season can be attributed to lack of pre-season preparation when the team started off well. If it wasn't a problem early in the season, how can it be a problem later on? I stand by my view that our squad was simply not cut out for coping with tough winter conditions. It's the most important factor to address during this close season. If we don't sort it out, 8th place will look like a very lofty position this time next year. You can have plans all the way from A to Z but you can't execute them if you don't have the players to do it.[/p][/quote]You have a point regarding being to lightweight,but for me the main problem was not having a plan B. Other teams worked us out and we could not change anything. I agree with you over players not coming back fighting fit,I also can't understand why the fitness staff don't put them through a pre season type program when they join.That said most managers seem to say that missing out on a proper pre season caused problems with fitness and injuries later in the year. PDC always said a full out pre-season was a must.[/p][/quote]Pre-season is an absolute must and vital! . There is a reason why Lou use to have the boys do all the running in pre-season and why PdC didn't let them see a ball for weeks . It is all about building stamina to see a player through the season . Yes they have a responsibility to come back fit - but fit is not match fit and season long fit . Then on top of fitness it gives the squad the chance to really work on systems etc - which during a season they just don't get the time to do . Hopefully Power will sort all the off field issues out quickl;y so come July 1 when we return we will have pretty much the full squad in place to have a real decent pre-season to set us up for a decent campaign London Red
  • Score: 0

1:50pm Wed 7 May 14

STFC Boyo says...

Please don't let him go.He's a good player & we need him more.We have good players & always loan them out & they shine 4 Swindon Town.So lets keep the players who want 2 b playing 4 Swindon Town please.
Please don't let him go.He's a good player & we need him more.We have good players & always loan them out & they shine 4 Swindon Town.So lets keep the players who want 2 b playing 4 Swindon Town please. STFC Boyo
  • Score: 0

1:57pm Wed 7 May 14

harley red says...

Why is cooper still with us , we need someone who knows what he is doing , there are a few managers out of work that would do a job . Cooper screwed up so many times last season . But I suppose if you pay peanuts you get monkeys , same with players really . If we won't offer Jay a reasonable contract we must be struggling . I hope we don't play this sh?t tip tap football like we did most of last season it was so boring to watch , and easy for other teams to play against .
Why is cooper still with us , we need someone who knows what he is doing , there are a few managers out of work that would do a job . Cooper screwed up so many times last season . But I suppose if you pay peanuts you get monkeys , same with players really . If we won't offer Jay a reasonable contract we must be struggling . I hope we don't play this sh?t tip tap football like we did most of last season it was so boring to watch , and easy for other teams to play against . harley red
  • Score: -11

2:14pm Wed 7 May 14

MidlandRobin says...

Have a feeling this could be a mistake. We should mold him into an Ole Gunnar Solskjaer or Hernandez. A super sub with pace that gets in behind a knackered defense in the last 20 minutes of a game. That's when Storey can be most dangerous, and that's why I believe we should keep him, so he gets more familiar with the team and learns his trade, instead of loaning him out to clubs in the foot of the football league where we as a club cannot develop him any further as a player where his potential will forever be up in the air and he'll become another Billy Bodin, relegated to the conference.

This cannot happen again, play the lad.
Have a feeling this could be a mistake. We should mold him into an Ole Gunnar Solskjaer or Hernandez. A super sub with pace that gets in behind a knackered defense in the last 20 minutes of a game. That's when Storey can be most dangerous, and that's why I believe we should keep him, so he gets more familiar with the team and learns his trade, instead of loaning him out to clubs in the foot of the football league where we as a club cannot develop him any further as a player where his potential will forever be up in the air and he'll become another Billy Bodin, relegated to the conference. This cannot happen again, play the lad. MidlandRobin
  • Score: 0

2:23pm Wed 7 May 14

The Jockster says...

the wizard wrote:
The Jockster wrote:
the wizard wrote:
Billy hunt 65 wrote:
Stand up if you love Jed?
He will sort us out ...
Are you sure you are spelling your name correctly. i thought it began with a C.
Tut! Tut! Wizard! -:)
Cilly, girls name short for Cellia, or Pricilla . What were you thinking ?
I thought you were referring to that well known firm of solicitors Hunt, Lunt, & Cunningham!
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Billy hunt 65[/bold] wrote: Stand up if you love Jed? He will sort us out ...[/p][/quote]Are you sure you are spelling your name correctly. i thought it began with a C.[/p][/quote]Tut! Tut! Wizard! -:)[/p][/quote]Cilly, girls name short for Cellia, or Pricilla . What were you thinking ?[/p][/quote]I thought you were referring to that well known firm of solicitors Hunt, Lunt, & Cunningham! The Jockster
  • Score: 0

2:27pm Wed 7 May 14

The Jockster says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Wilesy wrote:
I can't see Williams staying - he was shipped out on loan to Yeovil before he got injured, so clearly doesn't feature in Coopers plans. I can see him going back there.

As for Storey well he is currently our number 2 striker behind Smith. A loan out at this stage seems premature, although it may be best for Miles to move on and get games as Cooper clearly has doubts over his ability, and I doubt he will be one of the first choice strikers next season, as surely Ranger leaving frees up money for a new first choice striker, maybe two....

Personally I like Storey and would prefer to keep him for another season, he is pacy and has bulked up and just needs games, but then I can see Coopers concern, and I'm not convinced he is the 20 goal striker we need. I think Smith has 20 goals in him, despite his inconsistent touch and hold up play.
Wilesy, the Williams move might have been a McCrory cost cutting measure more than anything. I have a feeling Williams will be in the picture next season.

Strange how the "sustainable model" involved the necessity to cut salaries, get rid of players and wheedle out of contracts, while at the same time paying a salary to the son of one of McCrory's mates, who was about as likely to play for the Town as I am.
Den I hope you're right , I'd be delighted to take another tenner from you - 20 league goals from Wilma? More chance of winning Euromillions!.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: I can't see Williams staying - he was shipped out on loan to Yeovil before he got injured, so clearly doesn't feature in Coopers plans. I can see him going back there. As for Storey well he is currently our number 2 striker behind Smith. A loan out at this stage seems premature, although it may be best for Miles to move on and get games as Cooper clearly has doubts over his ability, and I doubt he will be one of the first choice strikers next season, as surely Ranger leaving frees up money for a new first choice striker, maybe two.... Personally I like Storey and would prefer to keep him for another season, he is pacy and has bulked up and just needs games, but then I can see Coopers concern, and I'm not convinced he is the 20 goal striker we need. I think Smith has 20 goals in him, despite his inconsistent touch and hold up play.[/p][/quote]Wilesy, the Williams move might have been a McCrory cost cutting measure more than anything. I have a feeling Williams will be in the picture next season. Strange how the "sustainable model" involved the necessity to cut salaries, get rid of players and wheedle out of contracts, while at the same time paying a salary to the son of one of McCrory's mates, who was about as likely to play for the Town as I am.[/p][/quote]Den I hope you're right , I'd be delighted to take another tenner from you - 20 league goals from Wilma? More chance of winning Euromillions!. The Jockster
  • Score: -1

2:45pm Wed 7 May 14

redbythesea says...

Whilst it is in no way the fault of Miles, he actually has huge pressure put on him, particularly by our fans at away games who seem to see him as the saviour. Whilst he undoubtedly has some ability, he has never really shown enough to be a serious option at league one level, and that is the reason why he gets loaned out, to try to develop his talent. He still has time, but he has to show something soon, or he will go the same way as Billy Bodin.
Whilst it is in no way the fault of Miles, he actually has huge pressure put on him, particularly by our fans at away games who seem to see him as the saviour. Whilst he undoubtedly has some ability, he has never really shown enough to be a serious option at league one level, and that is the reason why he gets loaned out, to try to develop his talent. He still has time, but he has to show something soon, or he will go the same way as Billy Bodin. redbythesea
  • Score: 4

3:24pm Wed 7 May 14

The Jockster says...

you gots ta be kidding me wrote:
Bassett Hound wrote:
you gots ta be kidding me wrote: I thought we were turning to youth again this year, we look a better side with players who can get behind the opposition defence, when we play the keep ball keep knocking it back to the defence football, everything is easy for the opposition it is all played in front of them, Miles can get in behind and we can play more direct football which scares the defence and has them running backwards and not pressuring us so much. My worry is that MC and Power have learnt nothing, when we played this way for three months with one win in 11, it was the most boring thing ever. With the last 6 games when we turned to a more direct style of play we got results whilst still playing decent attacking football. We should be keeping a talent like Storey, he hasn't been given a real chance and with us willing to listen to offers for him, how many other 1st team players are we willing to listen to offers on. I think the way the players have all been coming out saying we need to keep the nucleus of the side together shows they are also worried about who will be leaving.
You have clearly forgot the first half of the season when this so called tippy tippy football got us in the top few and we looked good. We lost our way a bit later,heavier pitches and lack of a pre season perhaps. Not having a plan B caught us out,however we now have one so we must be able to change our game to cover different situations.
Bassett I clearly haven't forgotten about our good start, we looked better at the start of the season because we were still having a go and playing attacking football, although I was still going to the away games and watching awful performances (wolves aside) Shrewsbury for me was one of the worst away performances I have ever witnessed, which was fairly early in the season. My point is during that bad run, we didn't just look tippy tappy we had no purpose and no attacking idea, partly because we played 1 up front and all of our football was in front of the opposition. As you said there was no plan B, for me plan A+B comes from the manager and our plan B appeared to pack the midfield and play no strikers. We all see things differently but if we go into next year playing total football in front of the big lumps that sit and defend I do fear the worst, we need to have a good balance of knocking the ball around but also there has to be a purpose, I can't tell you how frustrating it is to watch pretty little traingles in our own half when you are 1-0 down, or trying to change the formation to make it even more defensive when you are only 1-0 up and cant keep a clean sheet.

Some of our players have thrived this year, both of the Thompsons have improved, Kasim has more good days than bad, Luongo blows a bit hot and cold.

I have no doubt that Power will have some decent loans lined up and I do think we will sign some young players, but I would personaly prefer a manager with experience, not only in managing but for me the players haven't appeared fit enough this season, so if we are keeping Cooper, maybe he needs a fitness coach bringing on board to help him out with that element, I like Williams he is a highly rated coach.

So Bassett please dont think I am all doom, far from it, but people all seem to forget how bad we were for a long time, if that was down to the pitches then it needs to be recognised and our play adjusted to suit that time of the year.
Kidding me, like you I witnessed the debacle at Shrewsbury, possibly one if the worst I've ever seen, and look where they finished. Our inability to see off teams at the bottom end of the table certainly cost us a play off spot at the very least. I was also at Wolves and while the second half was a football feast we'd already given them a two goal start.
Your description of our pretty triangles with no end result is also spot on and how we persisted with it even when we were losing and these tactics certainly didn't help some abject away performances. How right you are also about our midfield trio blowing hot and cold at times.

Cooper has rightly been praised for steering us to 8th place but let's also recognise that he's made some schoolboy errors - not least prioritising the JPT over the league.
Tough times still to come with boardroom wrangles, smaller budget, and unknown playing staff, interesting for sure!
[quote][p][bold]you gots ta be kidding me[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bassett Hound[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]you gots ta be kidding me[/bold] wrote: I thought we were turning to youth again this year, we look a better side with players who can get behind the opposition defence, when we play the keep ball keep knocking it back to the defence football, everything is easy for the opposition it is all played in front of them, Miles can get in behind and we can play more direct football which scares the defence and has them running backwards and not pressuring us so much. My worry is that MC and Power have learnt nothing, when we played this way for three months with one win in 11, it was the most boring thing ever. With the last 6 games when we turned to a more direct style of play we got results whilst still playing decent attacking football. We should be keeping a talent like Storey, he hasn't been given a real chance and with us willing to listen to offers for him, how many other 1st team players are we willing to listen to offers on. I think the way the players have all been coming out saying we need to keep the nucleus of the side together shows they are also worried about who will be leaving.[/p][/quote]You have clearly forgot the first half of the season when this so called tippy tippy football got us in the top few and we looked good. We lost our way a bit later,heavier pitches and lack of a pre season perhaps. Not having a plan B caught us out,however we now have one so we must be able to change our game to cover different situations.[/p][/quote]Bassett I clearly haven't forgotten about our good start, we looked better at the start of the season because we were still having a go and playing attacking football, although I was still going to the away games and watching awful performances (wolves aside) Shrewsbury for me was one of the worst away performances I have ever witnessed, which was fairly early in the season. My point is during that bad run, we didn't just look tippy tappy we had no purpose and no attacking idea, partly because we played 1 up front and all of our football was in front of the opposition. As you said there was no plan B, for me plan A+B comes from the manager and our plan B appeared to pack the midfield and play no strikers. We all see things differently but if we go into next year playing total football in front of the big lumps that sit and defend I do fear the worst, we need to have a good balance of knocking the ball around but also there has to be a purpose, I can't tell you how frustrating it is to watch pretty little traingles in our own half when you are 1-0 down, or trying to change the formation to make it even more defensive when you are only 1-0 up and cant keep a clean sheet. Some of our players have thrived this year, both of the Thompsons have improved, Kasim has more good days than bad, Luongo blows a bit hot and cold. I have no doubt that Power will have some decent loans lined up and I do think we will sign some young players, but I would personaly prefer a manager with experience, not only in managing but for me the players haven't appeared fit enough this season, so if we are keeping Cooper, maybe he needs a fitness coach bringing on board to help him out with that element, I like Williams he is a highly rated coach. So Bassett please dont think I am all doom, far from it, but people all seem to forget how bad we were for a long time, if that was down to the pitches then it needs to be recognised and our play adjusted to suit that time of the year.[/p][/quote]Kidding me, like you I witnessed the debacle at Shrewsbury, possibly one if the worst I've ever seen, and look where they finished. Our inability to see off teams at the bottom end of the table certainly cost us a play off spot at the very least. I was also at Wolves and while the second half was a football feast we'd already given them a two goal start. Your description of our pretty triangles with no end result is also spot on and how we persisted with it even when we were losing and these tactics certainly didn't help some abject away performances. How right you are also about our midfield trio blowing hot and cold at times. Cooper has rightly been praised for steering us to 8th place but let's also recognise that he's made some schoolboy errors - not least prioritising the JPT over the league. Tough times still to come with boardroom wrangles, smaller budget, and unknown playing staff, interesting for sure! The Jockster
  • Score: 0

3:26pm Wed 7 May 14

MisterD says...

Billy hunt 65 wrote:
Lowest budget, Wes leaving, Storey going... Shambles
Power out bring back the Jed
Agreed It seems that the board won't be happy until we join Rovers in the Conference.
[quote][p][bold]Billy hunt 65[/bold] wrote: Lowest budget, Wes leaving, Storey going... Shambles Power out bring back the Jed[/p][/quote]Agreed It seems that the board won't be happy until we join Rovers in the Conference. MisterD
  • Score: -5

3:28pm Wed 7 May 14

lifelong red says...

Brainy_G93 wrote:
It's all about opinions I know but, in mine, Williams is a far better player than Storey.
Considering that Williams has bags more experience and that Storey is not yet the finished article , then comparing them is perhaps a bit unfair.
[quote][p][bold]Brainy_G93[/bold] wrote: It's all about opinions I know but, in mine, Williams is a far better player than Storey.[/p][/quote]Considering that Williams has bags more experience and that Storey is not yet the finished article , then comparing them is perhaps a bit unfair. lifelong red
  • Score: -2

3:33pm Wed 7 May 14

ciclosporindorset says...

Why is it that when all the journals state Williams, 2 year contract, and then not among the released with no new contract bit, it has become 3 years. I don't believe Williams is under contract to the club next year. If he is - fine, but not on the say of any of the above!
Why is it that when all the journals state Williams, 2 year contract, and then not among the released with no new contract bit, it has become 3 years. I don't believe Williams is under contract to the club next year. If he is - fine, but not on the say of any of the above! ciclosporindorset
  • Score: 0

3:44pm Wed 7 May 14

smirg kcab says...

-26 for telling the truth?
Bell ends
-26 for telling the truth? Bell ends smirg kcab
  • Score: -6

3:44pm Wed 7 May 14

Wayne Allison Bromham says...

London Red wrote:
Just because a trio of clubs are interested in him doesn't mean he is going anywhere - we were interested in a trio of Brentford players and didn't sign any of them!
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This type of story is going to be happening throughout the next few weeks/months as they have to fill the paper with something
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As for Storey - he simply has not made the progress required this season and therefore, is not part of the core - unlike Louis who clearly did take his chance
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However, I don't think he should be put on the scrap heap yet as still very young - what 19 possibly 20 - so should be given next season to see if he can adapt his game - as if he is going to make it in football he really needs to be able to play in other formations than an old fashion 442
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If not then simply don't take up his option and release him like we have others
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As mentioned above - if it comes down to Williams V Storey - then Williams would get the nod - especially if we are playing 4231/433 or the 343 of recent weeks
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I don't rate Williams as a striker - but as a wide forward he could be deadly as he has great pace and can run with the ball - so maybe out wide the pressue to score 20+ is not there and he could could chip in with a number of assists and then 10+ goals - similar to Pritchard's return this term
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Also in a front 3 he is more forward than a traditional winger - so that probably would benefit him
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If we are going to pay him we might as well play him!
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Storey however would be good cover and an option from the bench
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Assuming (and this is a big assumption) Troy signs on then the team is likely to shapoe up like this:
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Fodders
Thompson TAH Branco Byrne
Kasim Thompson
Tijane Luongo Williams
Smith
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Bench then Belford, Barthram, Jones, DeCosta, Barker, Waldon and Storey
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Think we are down those 18 who are under contract or offered a new one
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That is not a bad starting point though!
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4 signings were muted - so ideally we will see a CB, a defensive midfielder, a wideman and a powerful striker
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Wages likley to be an issue - but Peter Clarke has been released from Udders - and would be an excellent CB to come in and at 32 should have a season or 2 left in him
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Hollands or Diagouraga would be good options in midfield
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Ajose would be an outstanding signing up top - especially as we know he can play in the wide forward position - him Williams and Smith would scare most L1 defences!
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Then who knows who we could get in on loan on top of that?
Your team would look much better with Ranger in it. Shame the boy couldn't behave his self for long enough for us to have kept him
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Just because a trio of clubs are interested in him doesn't mean he is going anywhere - we were interested in a trio of Brentford players and didn't sign any of them! . This type of story is going to be happening throughout the next few weeks/months as they have to fill the paper with something . As for Storey - he simply has not made the progress required this season and therefore, is not part of the core - unlike Louis who clearly did take his chance . However, I don't think he should be put on the scrap heap yet as still very young - what 19 possibly 20 - so should be given next season to see if he can adapt his game - as if he is going to make it in football he really needs to be able to play in other formations than an old fashion 442 . If not then simply don't take up his option and release him like we have others . As mentioned above - if it comes down to Williams V Storey - then Williams would get the nod - especially if we are playing 4231/433 or the 343 of recent weeks . I don't rate Williams as a striker - but as a wide forward he could be deadly as he has great pace and can run with the ball - so maybe out wide the pressue to score 20+ is not there and he could could chip in with a number of assists and then 10+ goals - similar to Pritchard's return this term . Also in a front 3 he is more forward than a traditional winger - so that probably would benefit him . If we are going to pay him we might as well play him! . Storey however would be good cover and an option from the bench . Assuming (and this is a big assumption) Troy signs on then the team is likely to shapoe up like this: . Fodders Thompson TAH Branco Byrne Kasim Thompson Tijane Luongo Williams Smith . Bench then Belford, Barthram, Jones, DeCosta, Barker, Waldon and Storey . Think we are down those 18 who are under contract or offered a new one . That is not a bad starting point though! . 4 signings were muted - so ideally we will see a CB, a defensive midfielder, a wideman and a powerful striker . Wages likley to be an issue - but Peter Clarke has been released from Udders - and would be an excellent CB to come in and at 32 should have a season or 2 left in him . Hollands or Diagouraga would be good options in midfield . Ajose would be an outstanding signing up top - especially as we know he can play in the wide forward position - him Williams and Smith would scare most L1 defences! . Then who knows who we could get in on loan on top of that?[/p][/quote]Your team would look much better with Ranger in it. Shame the boy couldn't behave his self for long enough for us to have kept him Wayne Allison Bromham
  • Score: 0

3:48pm Wed 7 May 14

London Red says...

ciclosporindorset wrote:
Why is it that when all the journals state Williams, 2 year contract, and then not among the released with no new contract bit, it has become 3 years. I don't believe Williams is under contract to the club next year. If he is - fine, but not on the say of any of the above!
Sam said Cooper confirmed he signed a 3 year deal despite reports saying it was a 2 at the time
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So he is contracted to us for one more season - guess we will need to do a "McEveley" with him - use him while he is here and under contract - and then agree to go our seperate ways as both will know his wage will have to be slashed to stay any longer
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Guess like Jay he will need to have a good season in order to get offers from elsewhere at a similar level to what he is on
[quote][p][bold]ciclosporindorset[/bold] wrote: Why is it that when all the journals state Williams, 2 year contract, and then not among the released with no new contract bit, it has become 3 years. I don't believe Williams is under contract to the club next year. If he is - fine, but not on the say of any of the above![/p][/quote]Sam said Cooper confirmed he signed a 3 year deal despite reports saying it was a 2 at the time . So he is contracted to us for one more season - guess we will need to do a "McEveley" with him - use him while he is here and under contract - and then agree to go our seperate ways as both will know his wage will have to be slashed to stay any longer . Guess like Jay he will need to have a good season in order to get offers from elsewhere at a similar level to what he is on London Red
  • Score: 1

3:50pm Wed 7 May 14

smirg kcab says...

harley red wrote:
Why is cooper still with us , we need someone who knows what he is doing , there are a few managers out of work that would do a job . Cooper screwed up so many times last season . But I suppose if you pay peanuts you get monkeys , same with players really . If we won't offer Jay a reasonable contract we must be struggling . I hope we don't play this sh?t tip tap football like we did most of last season it was so boring to watch , and easy for other teams to play against .
It's in Byrnes contract if he's fit he plays, or if he's sub he must be used.
That's why mac is leaving. FACT
[quote][p][bold]harley red[/bold] wrote: Why is cooper still with us , we need someone who knows what he is doing , there are a few managers out of work that would do a job . Cooper screwed up so many times last season . But I suppose if you pay peanuts you get monkeys , same with players really . If we won't offer Jay a reasonable contract we must be struggling . I hope we don't play this sh?t tip tap football like we did most of last season it was so boring to watch , and easy for other teams to play against .[/p][/quote]It's in Byrnes contract if he's fit he plays, or if he's sub he must be used. That's why mac is leaving. FACT smirg kcab
  • Score: -12

4:08pm Wed 7 May 14

London Red says...

We are certainly not alone in having a mass clear out
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Crawley and Carlisle have announced 11 leaving and Walsall now confirmed 8 are to go - and that could rise as they are yet to agree terms with some
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Of those 8 one is Westcarr - their top scorer with 17 - now he could be an interesting option as a powerful striker to compete with Smith
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Also Hemmings is out of contract and he was one who starred in Walsall win at the CG - a tricky pacy widemad who would be another good option
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Walsall are not flush with cash - so surely wages wouldn't be an option here like they would potentially be when looking at other L1 cast offs from Posh et al or from the Championship
We are certainly not alone in having a mass clear out . Crawley and Carlisle have announced 11 leaving and Walsall now confirmed 8 are to go - and that could rise as they are yet to agree terms with some . Of those 8 one is Westcarr - their top scorer with 17 - now he could be an interesting option as a powerful striker to compete with Smith . Also Hemmings is out of contract and he was one who starred in Walsall win at the CG - a tricky pacy widemad who would be another good option . Walsall are not flush with cash - so surely wages wouldn't be an option here like they would potentially be when looking at other L1 cast offs from Posh et al or from the Championship London Red
  • Score: 0

4:10pm Wed 7 May 14

London Red says...

smirg kcab wrote:
harley red wrote: Why is cooper still with us , we need someone who knows what he is doing , there are a few managers out of work that would do a job . Cooper screwed up so many times last season . But I suppose if you pay peanuts you get monkeys , same with players really . If we won't offer Jay a reasonable contract we must be struggling . I hope we don't play this sh?t tip tap football like we did most of last season it was so boring to watch , and easy for other teams to play against .
It's in Byrnes contract if he's fit he plays, or if he's sub he must be used. That's why mac is leaving. FACT
Try another 4 letter word - BULL!
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Jay is leaving as he is on a massive wage we can not afford to pay without Black funding million+ losses each season - that is the Fact!
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]harley red[/bold] wrote: Why is cooper still with us , we need someone who knows what he is doing , there are a few managers out of work that would do a job . Cooper screwed up so many times last season . But I suppose if you pay peanuts you get monkeys , same with players really . If we won't offer Jay a reasonable contract we must be struggling . I hope we don't play this sh?t tip tap football like we did most of last season it was so boring to watch , and easy for other teams to play against .[/p][/quote]It's in Byrnes contract if he's fit he plays, or if he's sub he must be used. That's why mac is leaving. FACT[/p][/quote]Try another 4 letter word - BULL! . Jay is leaving as he is on a massive wage we can not afford to pay without Black funding million+ losses each season - that is the Fact! London Red
  • Score: 5

4:46pm Wed 7 May 14

MidlandRobin says...

London Red wrote:
We are certainly not alone in having a mass clear out
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Crawley and Carlisle have announced 11 leaving and Walsall now confirmed 8 are to go - and that could rise as they are yet to agree terms with some
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Of those 8 one is Westcarr - their top scorer with 17 - now he could be an interesting option as a powerful striker to compete with Smith
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Also Hemmings is out of contract and he was one who starred in Walsall win at the CG - a tricky pacy widemad who would be another good option
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Walsall are not flush with cash - so surely wages wouldn't be an option here like they would potentially be when looking at other L1 cast offs from Posh et al or from the Championship
Trust me LR, you do not want Craig Westcarr. Don't let the 17 goals deceive you. He's very poor, can't hold the ball up, wins nothing in the air. Honestly god knows how he's scored so many goals, I've watched him play a number of times this season and he's not up to much! If you want anyone from Walsall, you'll want Butler and no one else, he's currently negotiating terms apparently, so that deal isn't done yet. Sign him up Cooperman!
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: We are certainly not alone in having a mass clear out . Crawley and Carlisle have announced 11 leaving and Walsall now confirmed 8 are to go - and that could rise as they are yet to agree terms with some . Of those 8 one is Westcarr - their top scorer with 17 - now he could be an interesting option as a powerful striker to compete with Smith . Also Hemmings is out of contract and he was one who starred in Walsall win at the CG - a tricky pacy widemad who would be another good option . Walsall are not flush with cash - so surely wages wouldn't be an option here like they would potentially be when looking at other L1 cast offs from Posh et al or from the Championship[/p][/quote]Trust me LR, you do not want Craig Westcarr. Don't let the 17 goals deceive you. He's very poor, can't hold the ball up, wins nothing in the air. Honestly god knows how he's scored so many goals, I've watched him play a number of times this season and he's not up to much! If you want anyone from Walsall, you'll want Butler and no one else, he's currently negotiating terms apparently, so that deal isn't done yet. Sign him up Cooperman! MidlandRobin
  • Score: 1

4:54pm Wed 7 May 14

Oi Den! says...

LR, I'm not suggesting pre-season preparation is unimportant. You've missed my point. What I'm saying is that a lack of it can't be a valid excuse for poor performances halfway through the season. If the players are fit and prepared enough to play well in the early months, surely they are fit and prepared enough to play well in December and January? To be quite honest, I think we need to stop looking for excuses and blaming the manager etc for the bad spell and just accept that the players just didn't have it in them to do any better. For me, most of our good results were much more surprising than most of the bad ones. The thing that came as no surprise was that our best form was early and late in the season.
LR, I'm not suggesting pre-season preparation is unimportant. You've missed my point. What I'm saying is that a lack of it can't be a valid excuse for poor performances halfway through the season. If the players are fit and prepared enough to play well in the early months, surely they are fit and prepared enough to play well in December and January? To be quite honest, I think we need to stop looking for excuses and blaming the manager etc for the bad spell and just accept that the players just didn't have it in them to do any better. For me, most of our good results were much more surprising than most of the bad ones. The thing that came as no surprise was that our best form was early and late in the season. Oi Den!
  • Score: -1

4:54pm Wed 7 May 14

Billy hunt 65 says...

Wizard... What are you wizard at? Talking complete garbage you fool
I bet you loved Jed when he took over. Now you love Power, very fickle Wizard
Wizard... What are you wizard at? Talking complete garbage you fool I bet you loved Jed when he took over. Now you love Power, very fickle Wizard Billy hunt 65
  • Score: -1

5:09pm Wed 7 May 14

Cleuso says...

harley red wrote:
Why is cooper still with us , we need someone who knows what he is doing , there are a few managers out of work that would do a job . Cooper screwed up so many times last season . But I suppose if you pay peanuts you get monkeys , same with players really . If we won't offer Jay a reasonable contract we must be struggling . I hope we don't play this sh?t tip tap football like we did most of last season it was so boring to watch , and easy for other teams to play against .
Seeing as you are always going on about knowing more than Cooper why don't you arrange to see him and give him your words of wisdom..I rather think he would swipe you into the distance or if he was really impressed with your knowledge who knows he may even bow to your rather superior knowledge and suggest offering you the job... but there is where the truth lies...you really know diddly squat other than how to post regular jibes about the team or players that allegedly you suggest you support...
[quote][p][bold]harley red[/bold] wrote: Why is cooper still with us , we need someone who knows what he is doing , there are a few managers out of work that would do a job . Cooper screwed up so many times last season . But I suppose if you pay peanuts you get monkeys , same with players really . If we won't offer Jay a reasonable contract we must be struggling . I hope we don't play this sh?t tip tap football like we did most of last season it was so boring to watch , and easy for other teams to play against .[/p][/quote]Seeing as you are always going on about knowing more than Cooper why don't you arrange to see him and give him your words of wisdom..I rather think he would swipe you into the distance or if he was really impressed with your knowledge who knows he may even bow to your rather superior knowledge and suggest offering you the job... but there is where the truth lies...you really know diddly squat other than how to post regular jibes about the team or players that allegedly you suggest you support... Cleuso
  • Score: 0

5:09pm Wed 7 May 14

Oi Den! says...

Too much misty eyed romance over Storey, IMO. I've wanted him to succeed as much as anyone else has but he's been a pro for 3 years now and I think he would have made a bigger mark by now if he was going to do it. If the budget is going to be tight, it makes sense to get someone else to pay his wages, or part of them, until another club wants to sign him on permanently. Speaking of which... If it is such an obviously bad move to let him out on loan, why is there not a queue of clubs wanting to snap him up on a permanent deal?
Too much misty eyed romance over Storey, IMO. I've wanted him to succeed as much as anyone else has but he's been a pro for 3 years now and I think he would have made a bigger mark by now if he was going to do it. If the budget is going to be tight, it makes sense to get someone else to pay his wages, or part of them, until another club wants to sign him on permanently. Speaking of which... If it is such an obviously bad move to let him out on loan, why is there not a queue of clubs wanting to snap him up on a permanent deal? Oi Den!
  • Score: 2

5:13pm Wed 7 May 14

Wilesy says...

Cooper's general problem with Smith and Storey seems to be their ability to hold the ball up. He has been almost Di Canio like with his criticism of them on several occasions when interviewed after games, and clearly recognised that was what Ranger brought to the table as he was superb at holding the ball up.

Now if holding the ball up is his main criteria for a striker then Storey and Williams can forget it. They are pacy strikers who are looking for flick ons from a Ranger type partner.

Smith has a chance as at times he holds the ball OK, but needs to bulk up a bit.

What confuses me though is when Cooper plays Byrne or Barker in a forward role. Both demonstrate the exact opposite of how to hold the ball up, and Storey and Williams are far superior to them. I think Barker was actually running away from the ball, Prutton style, if a lofted ball forward came anywhere near him.

There was a short period when Smith and Ranger played together and they looked excellent, although clearly Ranger was the reason for that and was the better of the two.

In reality I don't think we will see a lot of Williams or Storey for that reason - we will be probably just use the Ranger wage to get a new Ranger type striker, hopefully one without his own entrance at the police station....
Cooper's general problem with Smith and Storey seems to be their ability to hold the ball up. He has been almost Di Canio like with his criticism of them on several occasions when interviewed after games, and clearly recognised that was what Ranger brought to the table as he was superb at holding the ball up. Now if holding the ball up is his main criteria for a striker then Storey and Williams can forget it. They are pacy strikers who are looking for flick ons from a Ranger type partner. Smith has a chance as at times he holds the ball OK, but needs to bulk up a bit. What confuses me though is when Cooper plays Byrne or Barker in a forward role. Both demonstrate the exact opposite of how to hold the ball up, and Storey and Williams are far superior to them. I think Barker was actually running away from the ball, Prutton style, if a lofted ball forward came anywhere near him. There was a short period when Smith and Ranger played together and they looked excellent, although clearly Ranger was the reason for that and was the better of the two. In reality I don't think we will see a lot of Williams or Storey for that reason - we will be probably just use the Ranger wage to get a new Ranger type striker, hopefully one without his own entrance at the police station.... Wilesy
  • Score: 4

5:14pm Wed 7 May 14

Oxon-Red says...

harley red wrote:
Why is cooper still with us , we need someone who knows what he is doing , there are a few managers out of work that would do a job . Cooper screwed up so many times last season . But I suppose if you pay peanuts you get monkeys , same with players really . If we won't offer Jay a reasonable contract we must be struggling . I hope we don't play this sh?t tip tap football like we did most of last season it was so boring to watch , and easy for other teams to play against .
I assume you dont earn fortunes otherwise you would be backing the Town so the club could afford the hoofball hero you crave and pay Jay enough to keep him away from his family.
I'll look forward to seeing our team of primates performing next season.
[quote][p][bold]harley red[/bold] wrote: Why is cooper still with us , we need someone who knows what he is doing , there are a few managers out of work that would do a job . Cooper screwed up so many times last season . But I suppose if you pay peanuts you get monkeys , same with players really . If we won't offer Jay a reasonable contract we must be struggling . I hope we don't play this sh?t tip tap football like we did most of last season it was so boring to watch , and easy for other teams to play against .[/p][/quote]I assume you dont earn fortunes otherwise you would be backing the Town so the club could afford the hoofball hero you crave and pay Jay enough to keep him away from his family. I'll look forward to seeing our team of primates performing next season. Oxon-Red
  • Score: 1

5:15pm Wed 7 May 14

Winchester Man says...

Definitely hang onto Miles!

If you've watched him over the past few seasons, it's apparent that his game is improving. True, maybe not as fast as anticipated, but he continues to mature. He came back from loan spell at Shrews as a stronger, more confident player. Miles was the best partner to Smithy.

I agree that he has more to learn, BUT, Miles has the mix of natural abilities which many lower league strikers just don't have ..... pace to burn over 10 yards, good finishing 1-on-1, a natural "attack the box mentality", and the ability to make things happen.

Town, you gotta keep this lad, and see how far he progresses!! Next season at Town could be his time.
Definitely hang onto Miles! If you've watched him over the past few seasons, it's apparent that his game is improving. True, maybe not as fast as anticipated, but he continues to mature. He came back from loan spell at Shrews as a stronger, more confident player. Miles was the best partner to Smithy. I agree that he has more to learn, BUT, Miles has the mix of natural abilities which many lower league strikers just don't have ..... pace to burn over 10 yards, good finishing 1-on-1, a natural "attack the box mentality", and the ability to make things happen. Town, you gotta keep this lad, and see how far he progresses!! Next season at Town could be his time. Winchester Man
  • Score: 1

5:15pm Wed 7 May 14

lifelong red says...

On the subject of our passing game- I agree with the above comments , I don't see the point in knocking the ball about in non danger areas with no end product , I use the Crawley game as a prime example , where in the 1st half we must of had at least 70% of possession , but only one effort on goal .As we saw in the latter part of the season were far more effective and much more entertaining to watch when we play at a higher tempo and making the keeper work , i'm not suggesting we go route1 as the sole purpose , however it can be used to good effect at certain points in a game ,so shouldn't be ruled out completely , all for the passing game , but with purpose
On the subject of our passing game- I agree with the above comments , I don't see the point in knocking the ball about in non danger areas with no end product , I use the Crawley game as a prime example , where in the 1st half we must of had at least 70% of possession , but only one effort on goal .As we saw in the latter part of the season were far more effective and much more entertaining to watch when we play at a higher tempo and making the keeper work , i'm not suggesting we go route1 as the sole purpose , however it can be used to good effect at certain points in a game ,so shouldn't be ruled out completely , all for the passing game , but with purpose lifelong red
  • Score: 0

5:28pm Wed 7 May 14

Cleuso says...

London Red wrote:
Just because a trio of clubs are interested in him doesn't mean he is going anywhere - we were interested in a trio of Brentford players and didn't sign any of them!
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This type of story is going to be happening throughout the next few weeks/months as they have to fill the paper with something
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As for Storey - he simply has not made the progress required this season and therefore, is not part of the core - unlike Louis who clearly did take his chance
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However, I don't think he should be put on the scrap heap yet as still very young - what 19 possibly 20 - so should be given next season to see if he can adapt his game - as if he is going to make it in football he really needs to be able to play in other formations than an old fashion 442
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If not then simply don't take up his option and release him like we have others
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As mentioned above - if it comes down to Williams V Storey - then Williams would get the nod - especially if we are playing 4231/433 or the 343 of recent weeks
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I don't rate Williams as a striker - but as a wide forward he could be deadly as he has great pace and can run with the ball - so maybe out wide the pressue to score 20+ is not there and he could could chip in with a number of assists and then 10+ goals - similar to Pritchard's return this term
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Also in a front 3 he is more forward than a traditional winger - so that probably would benefit him
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If we are going to pay him we might as well play him!
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Storey however would be good cover and an option from the bench
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Assuming (and this is a big assumption) Troy signs on then the team is likely to shapoe up like this:
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Fodders
Thompson TAH Branco Byrne
Kasim Thompson
Tijane Luongo Williams
Smith
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Bench then Belford, Barthram, Jones, DeCosta, Barker, Waldon and Storey
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Think we are down those 18 who are under contract or offered a new one
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That is not a bad starting point though!
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4 signings were muted - so ideally we will see a CB, a defensive midfielder, a wideman and a powerful striker
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Wages likley to be an issue - but Peter Clarke has been released from Udders - and would be an excellent CB to come in and at 32 should have a season or 2 left in him
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Hollands or Diagouraga would be good options in midfield
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Ajose would be an outstanding signing up top - especially as we know he can play in the wide forward position - him Williams and Smith would scare most L1 defences!
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Then who knows who we could get in on loan on top of that?
London red you keep going on about Diagouraga, are you his agent or something ? Did you watch his recent appearance (non appearance) at the County Ground recently..his passing found the stands more time than Johhny Wilkinson on a good day..can't see the fans warming to that sort of display.

No poise, no control, shipped out to Division 2 Portsmouth last season, 10 goals in over 250 league appearances, makes him a 2 goal a season man , hardly a goal scoring midfield player that will set the world alight in and around the County Ground ...

Ajose had a purple patch with us, got him a few games at Peterborough when he went back, but by the end seems to have fallen out of favour again, or so I hear as his goalscoring dried up.

Hollands played well for us a few seasons back, but whether that could be repeated ????

As to Williams... would like to see him have another chance, especially with the fans..he may have had a bad run which affected his confidence, but sometimes finishing is all about a bit of luck..seem to remember him also hitting the post or bar many times, so all but a few inches would have received a little more patience..more potential than Storey in my eyes. Depends how he reacts to getting back to 100% after the serious injury he has which is the only question mark in my eyes..
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Just because a trio of clubs are interested in him doesn't mean he is going anywhere - we were interested in a trio of Brentford players and didn't sign any of them! . This type of story is going to be happening throughout the next few weeks/months as they have to fill the paper with something . As for Storey - he simply has not made the progress required this season and therefore, is not part of the core - unlike Louis who clearly did take his chance . However, I don't think he should be put on the scrap heap yet as still very young - what 19 possibly 20 - so should be given next season to see if he can adapt his game - as if he is going to make it in football he really needs to be able to play in other formations than an old fashion 442 . If not then simply don't take up his option and release him like we have others . As mentioned above - if it comes down to Williams V Storey - then Williams would get the nod - especially if we are playing 4231/433 or the 343 of recent weeks . I don't rate Williams as a striker - but as a wide forward he could be deadly as he has great pace and can run with the ball - so maybe out wide the pressue to score 20+ is not there and he could could chip in with a number of assists and then 10+ goals - similar to Pritchard's return this term . Also in a front 3 he is more forward than a traditional winger - so that probably would benefit him . If we are going to pay him we might as well play him! . Storey however would be good cover and an option from the bench . Assuming (and this is a big assumption) Troy signs on then the team is likely to shapoe up like this: . Fodders Thompson TAH Branco Byrne Kasim Thompson Tijane Luongo Williams Smith . Bench then Belford, Barthram, Jones, DeCosta, Barker, Waldon and Storey . Think we are down those 18 who are under contract or offered a new one . That is not a bad starting point though! . 4 signings were muted - so ideally we will see a CB, a defensive midfielder, a wideman and a powerful striker . Wages likley to be an issue - but Peter Clarke has been released from Udders - and would be an excellent CB to come in and at 32 should have a season or 2 left in him . Hollands or Diagouraga would be good options in midfield . Ajose would be an outstanding signing up top - especially as we know he can play in the wide forward position - him Williams and Smith would scare most L1 defences! . Then who knows who we could get in on loan on top of that?[/p][/quote]London red you keep going on about Diagouraga, are you his agent or something ? Did you watch his recent appearance (non appearance) at the County Ground recently..his passing found the stands more time than Johhny Wilkinson on a good day..can't see the fans warming to that sort of display. No poise, no control, shipped out to Division 2 Portsmouth last season, 10 goals in over 250 league appearances, makes him a 2 goal a season man , hardly a goal scoring midfield player that will set the world alight in and around the County Ground ... Ajose had a purple patch with us, got him a few games at Peterborough when he went back, but by the end seems to have fallen out of favour again, or so I hear as his goalscoring dried up. Hollands played well for us a few seasons back, but whether that could be repeated ???? As to Williams... would like to see him have another chance, especially with the fans..he may have had a bad run which affected his confidence, but sometimes finishing is all about a bit of luck..seem to remember him also hitting the post or bar many times, so all but a few inches would have received a little more patience..more potential than Storey in my eyes. Depends how he reacts to getting back to 100% after the serious injury he has which is the only question mark in my eyes.. Cleuso
  • Score: 3

5:30pm Wed 7 May 14

Cleuso says...

Billy hunt 65 wrote:
Wizard... What are you wizard at? Talking complete garbage you fool
I bet you loved Jed when he took over. Now you love Power, very fickle Wizard
No if that is true, think he has learned from his mistake..something you seem unable to do it seems
[quote][p][bold]Billy hunt 65[/bold] wrote: Wizard... What are you wizard at? Talking complete garbage you fool I bet you loved Jed when he took over. Now you love Power, very fickle Wizard[/p][/quote]No if that is true, think he has learned from his mistake..something you seem unable to do it seems Cleuso
  • Score: 0

5:40pm Wed 7 May 14

London Red says...

Cleuso wrote:
London Red wrote: Just because a trio of clubs are interested in him doesn't mean he is going anywhere - we were interested in a trio of Brentford players and didn't sign any of them! . This type of story is going to be happening throughout the next few weeks/months as they have to fill the paper with something . As for Storey - he simply has not made the progress required this season and therefore, is not part of the core - unlike Louis who clearly did take his chance . However, I don't think he should be put on the scrap heap yet as still very young - what 19 possibly 20 - so should be given next season to see if he can adapt his game - as if he is going to make it in football he really needs to be able to play in other formations than an old fashion 442 . If not then simply don't take up his option and release him like we have others . As mentioned above - if it comes down to Williams V Storey - then Williams would get the nod - especially if we are playing 4231/433 or the 343 of recent weeks . I don't rate Williams as a striker - but as a wide forward he could be deadly as he has great pace and can run with the ball - so maybe out wide the pressue to score 20+ is not there and he could could chip in with a number of assists and then 10+ goals - similar to Pritchard's return this term . Also in a front 3 he is more forward than a traditional winger - so that probably would benefit him . If we are going to pay him we might as well play him! . Storey however would be good cover and an option from the bench . Assuming (and this is a big assumption) Troy signs on then the team is likely to shapoe up like this: . Fodders Thompson TAH Branco Byrne Kasim Thompson Tijane Luongo Williams Smith . Bench then Belford, Barthram, Jones, DeCosta, Barker, Waldon and Storey . Think we are down those 18 who are under contract or offered a new one . That is not a bad starting point though! . 4 signings were muted - so ideally we will see a CB, a defensive midfielder, a wideman and a powerful striker . Wages likley to be an issue - but Peter Clarke has been released from Udders - and would be an excellent CB to come in and at 32 should have a season or 2 left in him . Hollands or Diagouraga would be good options in midfield . Ajose would be an outstanding signing up top - especially as we know he can play in the wide forward position - him Williams and Smith would scare most L1 defences! . Then who knows who we could get in on loan on top of that?
London red you keep going on about Diagouraga, are you his agent or something ? Did you watch his recent appearance (non appearance) at the County Ground recently..his passing found the stands more time than Johhny Wilkinson on a good day..can't see the fans warming to that sort of display. No poise, no control, shipped out to Division 2 Portsmouth last season, 10 goals in over 250 league appearances, makes him a 2 goal a season man , hardly a goal scoring midfield player that will set the world alight in and around the County Ground ... Ajose had a purple patch with us, got him a few games at Peterborough when he went back, but by the end seems to have fallen out of favour again, or so I hear as his goalscoring dried up. Hollands played well for us a few seasons back, but whether that could be repeated ???? As to Williams... would like to see him have another chance, especially with the fans..he may have had a bad run which affected his confidence, but sometimes finishing is all about a bit of luck..seem to remember him also hitting the post or bar many times, so all but a few inches would have received a little more patience..more potential than Storey in my eyes. Depends how he reacts to getting back to 100% after the serious injury he has which is the only question mark in my eyes..
No I'm not his agent - I'm just not stupid enough to base my opinion of a player on not even 90 mins of football!
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If you did that then every single player at our club would be bombed out as every single one of them has had a poor a game as he did and some far worse!
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Yes - He did not have a great game here this season - but I've seen him against us a few times before and in them he did have good games
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I've also seen him put in good games in a Swindon shirt!
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You also don't play 250 games at Chamiponship and L1 level if you are woeful!
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250 games - thats practically our entires squads total appearances now the likes of Jay have left - so that is vital experience - and at only 26 is certainly not over the hill
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He only fell out of favour as Brentford signed the best player in the league this season - Forshaw and captured a hot prospect on loan from Chelsea Saville
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Wes has no goals for us and Jay never scored one - does that mean they are not good players?
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No thats right - its not their game to score goals and either is it his - he would come in and add some bite to the midfield and allow Luongo to play further forward where he can do most damage as we saw in flashes against Rotherham on Sat
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He would also then allow Louis to push further forward - which as we have seen against Sheff U recently can lead to him getting goals
[quote][p][bold]Cleuso[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Just because a trio of clubs are interested in him doesn't mean he is going anywhere - we were interested in a trio of Brentford players and didn't sign any of them! . This type of story is going to be happening throughout the next few weeks/months as they have to fill the paper with something . As for Storey - he simply has not made the progress required this season and therefore, is not part of the core - unlike Louis who clearly did take his chance . However, I don't think he should be put on the scrap heap yet as still very young - what 19 possibly 20 - so should be given next season to see if he can adapt his game - as if he is going to make it in football he really needs to be able to play in other formations than an old fashion 442 . If not then simply don't take up his option and release him like we have others . As mentioned above - if it comes down to Williams V Storey - then Williams would get the nod - especially if we are playing 4231/433 or the 343 of recent weeks . I don't rate Williams as a striker - but as a wide forward he could be deadly as he has great pace and can run with the ball - so maybe out wide the pressue to score 20+ is not there and he could could chip in with a number of assists and then 10+ goals - similar to Pritchard's return this term . Also in a front 3 he is more forward than a traditional winger - so that probably would benefit him . If we are going to pay him we might as well play him! . Storey however would be good cover and an option from the bench . Assuming (and this is a big assumption) Troy signs on then the team is likely to shapoe up like this: . Fodders Thompson TAH Branco Byrne Kasim Thompson Tijane Luongo Williams Smith . Bench then Belford, Barthram, Jones, DeCosta, Barker, Waldon and Storey . Think we are down those 18 who are under contract or offered a new one . That is not a bad starting point though! . 4 signings were muted - so ideally we will see a CB, a defensive midfielder, a wideman and a powerful striker . Wages likley to be an issue - but Peter Clarke has been released from Udders - and would be an excellent CB to come in and at 32 should have a season or 2 left in him . Hollands or Diagouraga would be good options in midfield . Ajose would be an outstanding signing up top - especially as we know he can play in the wide forward position - him Williams and Smith would scare most L1 defences! . Then who knows who we could get in on loan on top of that?[/p][/quote]London red you keep going on about Diagouraga, are you his agent or something ? Did you watch his recent appearance (non appearance) at the County Ground recently..his passing found the stands more time than Johhny Wilkinson on a good day..can't see the fans warming to that sort of display. No poise, no control, shipped out to Division 2 Portsmouth last season, 10 goals in over 250 league appearances, makes him a 2 goal a season man , hardly a goal scoring midfield player that will set the world alight in and around the County Ground ... Ajose had a purple patch with us, got him a few games at Peterborough when he went back, but by the end seems to have fallen out of favour again, or so I hear as his goalscoring dried up. Hollands played well for us a few seasons back, but whether that could be repeated ???? As to Williams... would like to see him have another chance, especially with the fans..he may have had a bad run which affected his confidence, but sometimes finishing is all about a bit of luck..seem to remember him also hitting the post or bar many times, so all but a few inches would have received a little more patience..more potential than Storey in my eyes. Depends how he reacts to getting back to 100% after the serious injury he has which is the only question mark in my eyes..[/p][/quote]No I'm not his agent - I'm just not stupid enough to base my opinion of a player on not even 90 mins of football! . If you did that then every single player at our club would be bombed out as every single one of them has had a poor a game as he did and some far worse! . Yes - He did not have a great game here this season - but I've seen him against us a few times before and in them he did have good games . I've also seen him put in good games in a Swindon shirt! . You also don't play 250 games at Chamiponship and L1 level if you are woeful! . 250 games - thats practically our entires squads total appearances now the likes of Jay have left - so that is vital experience - and at only 26 is certainly not over the hill . He only fell out of favour as Brentford signed the best player in the league this season - Forshaw and captured a hot prospect on loan from Chelsea Saville . Wes has no goals for us and Jay never scored one - does that mean they are not good players? . No thats right - its not their game to score goals and either is it his - he would come in and add some bite to the midfield and allow Luongo to play further forward where he can do most damage as we saw in flashes against Rotherham on Sat . He would also then allow Louis to push further forward - which as we have seen against Sheff U recently can lead to him getting goals London Red
  • Score: 0

6:11pm Wed 7 May 14

MITTED says...

The reality is that Cooper prefers playing with one striker, no matter how he tries to dress it up, and a particular type at that. Storey clearly isn't suited to that particular style; he would be lethal if he played off the shoulder of a Ranger type centre-forward - his speed and agility off the mark is incredible and he knows only to well where the back of the net is. As long as Cooper is here, Miles will not get the opportunity to make best use of his undoubted ability; sadly that means he will probably go elsewhere. No doubt he would then come back and score against us as happens all too often!
The reality is that Cooper prefers playing with one striker, no matter how he tries to dress it up, and a particular type at that. Storey clearly isn't suited to that particular style; he would be lethal if he played off the shoulder of a Ranger type centre-forward - his speed and agility off the mark is incredible and he knows only to well where the back of the net is. As long as Cooper is here, Miles will not get the opportunity to make best use of his undoubted ability; sadly that means he will probably go elsewhere. No doubt he would then come back and score against us as happens all too often! MITTED
  • Score: 2

6:20pm Wed 7 May 14

dazzastfc says...

smirg kcab wrote:
-26 for telling the truth?
Bell ends
How do you think i feel...

Plus I thought Wilma was out of contract after this season ???
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: -26 for telling the truth? Bell ends[/p][/quote]How do you think i feel... Plus I thought Wilma was out of contract after this season ??? dazzastfc
  • Score: -3

6:33pm Wed 7 May 14

London Red says...

MITTED wrote:
The reality is that Cooper prefers playing with one striker, no matter how he tries to dress it up, and a particular type at that. Storey clearly isn't suited to that particular style; he would be lethal if he played off the shoulder of a Ranger type centre-forward - his speed and agility off the mark is incredible and he knows only to well where the back of the net is. As long as Cooper is here, Miles will not get the opportunity to make best use of his undoubted ability; sadly that means he will probably go elsewhere. No doubt he would then come back and score against us as happens all too often!
This is the way football is going and players like Storey need to adapt - it's from International, Champions League, Premier League and even down to L1 and L2 now!
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Liverpool play the same way we do - yet I didn't see Sturridge, Suarez or Stirling struggle with "one up" - aren't they 1 and 2 in the top scorers charts?
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Closer to home - we didn't seem to struggle with Ajose Ranger and N'Guessan with only "one up"
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That is the biggest disappointment is that Storey was not able to adapt his game to play the wide forward role - as he could really make a name for himself out there
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On top of the 3 above he only has to look at Hazard, Walcott and Lallana to name a few who play that role and excelling in it
[quote][p][bold]MITTED[/bold] wrote: The reality is that Cooper prefers playing with one striker, no matter how he tries to dress it up, and a particular type at that. Storey clearly isn't suited to that particular style; he would be lethal if he played off the shoulder of a Ranger type centre-forward - his speed and agility off the mark is incredible and he knows only to well where the back of the net is. As long as Cooper is here, Miles will not get the opportunity to make best use of his undoubted ability; sadly that means he will probably go elsewhere. No doubt he would then come back and score against us as happens all too often![/p][/quote]This is the way football is going and players like Storey need to adapt - it's from International, Champions League, Premier League and even down to L1 and L2 now! . Liverpool play the same way we do - yet I didn't see Sturridge, Suarez or Stirling struggle with "one up" - aren't they 1 and 2 in the top scorers charts? . Closer to home - we didn't seem to struggle with Ajose Ranger and N'Guessan with only "one up" . That is the biggest disappointment is that Storey was not able to adapt his game to play the wide forward role - as he could really make a name for himself out there . On top of the 3 above he only has to look at Hazard, Walcott and Lallana to name a few who play that role and excelling in it London Red
  • Score: -1

7:05pm Wed 7 May 14

smirg kcab says...

London Red wrote:
MITTED wrote:
The reality is that Cooper prefers playing with one striker, no matter how he tries to dress it up, and a particular type at that. Storey clearly isn't suited to that particular style; he would be lethal if he played off the shoulder of a Ranger type centre-forward - his speed and agility off the mark is incredible and he knows only to well where the back of the net is. As long as Cooper is here, Miles will not get the opportunity to make best use of his undoubted ability; sadly that means he will probably go elsewhere. No doubt he would then come back and score against us as happens all too often!
This is the way football is going and players like Storey need to adapt - it's from International, Champions League, Premier League and even down to L1 and L2 now!
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Liverpool play the same way we do - yet I didn't see Sturridge, Suarez or Stirling struggle with "one up" - aren't they 1 and 2 in the top scorers charts?
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Closer to home - we didn't seem to struggle with Ajose Ranger and N'Guessan with only "one up"
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That is the biggest disappointment is that Storey was not able to adapt his game to play the wide forward role - as he could really make a name for himself out there
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On top of the 3 above he only has to look at Hazard, Walcott and Lallana to name a few who play that role and excelling in it
How on gods name can you compare any of those with wilma?
It's like comparing klitschko with Wayne sleep.

Wilma can't play upfront on the wing or any other position you would like to put him.

As for your beloved Tijane, he has skanked this club as much as Navarro has, and he looked in the same class as pericard,magera,clos
e,waddock, and the rest of the wasters.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MITTED[/bold] wrote: The reality is that Cooper prefers playing with one striker, no matter how he tries to dress it up, and a particular type at that. Storey clearly isn't suited to that particular style; he would be lethal if he played off the shoulder of a Ranger type centre-forward - his speed and agility off the mark is incredible and he knows only to well where the back of the net is. As long as Cooper is here, Miles will not get the opportunity to make best use of his undoubted ability; sadly that means he will probably go elsewhere. No doubt he would then come back and score against us as happens all too often![/p][/quote]This is the way football is going and players like Storey need to adapt - it's from International, Champions League, Premier League and even down to L1 and L2 now! . Liverpool play the same way we do - yet I didn't see Sturridge, Suarez or Stirling struggle with "one up" - aren't they 1 and 2 in the top scorers charts? . Closer to home - we didn't seem to struggle with Ajose Ranger and N'Guessan with only "one up" . That is the biggest disappointment is that Storey was not able to adapt his game to play the wide forward role - as he could really make a name for himself out there . On top of the 3 above he only has to look at Hazard, Walcott and Lallana to name a few who play that role and excelling in it[/p][/quote]How on gods name can you compare any of those with wilma? It's like comparing klitschko with Wayne sleep. Wilma can't play upfront on the wing or any other position you would like to put him. As for your beloved Tijane, he has skanked this club as much as Navarro has, and he looked in the same class as pericard,magera,clos e,waddock, and the rest of the wasters. smirg kcab
  • Score: -3

7:17pm Wed 7 May 14

LeGod says...

Cleuso - Why dont you read my post correctly???
i didnt say that Storey would be playing every week if he went to Pompey i said he would probably be playing more regularly - which unless i am thick regularly doesnt mean every week.
Cleuso - Why dont you read my post correctly??? i didnt say that Storey would be playing every week if he went to Pompey i said he would probably be playing more regularly - which unless i am thick regularly doesnt mean every week. LeGod
  • Score: -1

7:23pm Wed 7 May 14

mick the tetburyred says...

IF this exclusive nonsense from Mr positive Moorshead is true,then Miles Storey may as well pack his bags and leave the Town.Clearly there is a love/hate relationship between Miles and Cooper!!.
Miles has more ability in his little toe than most of the players in our ever reducing squad!!.Coming at a time when our goalscoring options seem very limited,surely the youngster has done more than enough to warrant a long run in the starting line-up!!..
IF this exclusive nonsense from Mr positive Moorshead is true,then Miles Storey may as well pack his bags and leave the Town.Clearly there is a love/hate relationship between Miles and Cooper!!. Miles has more ability in his little toe than most of the players in our ever reducing squad!!.Coming at a time when our goalscoring options seem very limited,surely the youngster has done more than enough to warrant a long run in the starting line-up!!.. mick the tetburyred
  • Score: -3

7:32pm Wed 7 May 14

mancrobin says...

Billy hunt 65 wrote:
Lowest budget, Wes leaving, Storey going... Shambles
Power out bring back the Jed
Are you rhyming slang?
[quote][p][bold]Billy hunt 65[/bold] wrote: Lowest budget, Wes leaving, Storey going... Shambles Power out bring back the Jed[/p][/quote]Are you rhyming slang? mancrobin
  • Score: -1

7:32pm Wed 7 May 14

lifelong red says...

London Red wrote:
MITTED wrote:
The reality is that Cooper prefers playing with one striker, no matter how he tries to dress it up, and a particular type at that. Storey clearly isn't suited to that particular style; he would be lethal if he played off the shoulder of a Ranger type centre-forward - his speed and agility off the mark is incredible and he knows only to well where the back of the net is. As long as Cooper is here, Miles will not get the opportunity to make best use of his undoubted ability; sadly that means he will probably go elsewhere. No doubt he would then come back and score against us as happens all too often!
This is the way football is going and players like Storey need to adapt - it's from International, Champions League, Premier League and even down to L1 and L2 now!
.
Liverpool play the same way we do - yet I didn't see Sturridge, Suarez or Stirling struggle with "one up" - aren't they 1 and 2 in the top scorers charts?
.
Closer to home - we didn't seem to struggle with Ajose Ranger and N'Guessan with only "one up"
.
That is the biggest disappointment is that Storey was not able to adapt his game to play the wide forward role - as he could really make a name for himself out there
.
On top of the 3 above he only has to look at Hazard, Walcott and Lallana to name a few who play that role and excelling in it
Whilst I tend to agree with your "one up " comments , I do think your being a bit unfair on Storey when you mention his failure to adapt, to be honest since his return he's been in out of the team , has never been given a decent run , and when used as a sub , its usually to late in the game to make any impression , I was particularly disappointed to see him on the bench on sat. the lad needs all the game time he can get if he's going to develop and become the finished article. Is it any wonder that he fails to adapt to anything.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MITTED[/bold] wrote: The reality is that Cooper prefers playing with one striker, no matter how he tries to dress it up, and a particular type at that. Storey clearly isn't suited to that particular style; he would be lethal if he played off the shoulder of a Ranger type centre-forward - his speed and agility off the mark is incredible and he knows only to well where the back of the net is. As long as Cooper is here, Miles will not get the opportunity to make best use of his undoubted ability; sadly that means he will probably go elsewhere. No doubt he would then come back and score against us as happens all too often![/p][/quote]This is the way football is going and players like Storey need to adapt - it's from International, Champions League, Premier League and even down to L1 and L2 now! . Liverpool play the same way we do - yet I didn't see Sturridge, Suarez or Stirling struggle with "one up" - aren't they 1 and 2 in the top scorers charts? . Closer to home - we didn't seem to struggle with Ajose Ranger and N'Guessan with only "one up" . That is the biggest disappointment is that Storey was not able to adapt his game to play the wide forward role - as he could really make a name for himself out there . On top of the 3 above he only has to look at Hazard, Walcott and Lallana to name a few who play that role and excelling in it[/p][/quote]Whilst I tend to agree with your "one up " comments , I do think your being a bit unfair on Storey when you mention his failure to adapt, to be honest since his return he's been in out of the team , has never been given a decent run , and when used as a sub , its usually to late in the game to make any impression , I was particularly disappointed to see him on the bench on sat. the lad needs all the game time he can get if he's going to develop and become the finished article. Is it any wonder that he fails to adapt to anything. lifelong red
  • Score: 0

7:35pm Wed 7 May 14

mancrobin says...

smirg kcab wrote:
-26 for telling the truth?
Bell ends
Bell ends your day at school?
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: -26 for telling the truth? Bell ends[/p][/quote]Bell ends your day at school? mancrobin
  • Score: 2

8:40pm Wed 7 May 14

harley red says...

smirg kcab wrote:
harley red wrote:
Why is cooper still with us , we need someone who knows what he is doing , there are a few managers out of work that would do a job . Cooper screwed up so many times last season . But I suppose if you pay peanuts you get monkeys , same with players really . If we won't offer Jay a reasonable contract we must be struggling . I hope we don't play this sh?t tip tap football like we did most of last season it was so boring to watch , and easy for other teams to play against .
It's in Byrnes contract if he's fit he plays, or if he's sub he must be used.
That's why mac is leaving. FACT
What crap you talk he would not even get a contract like that at super marine he's sh?t !!!
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]harley red[/bold] wrote: Why is cooper still with us , we need someone who knows what he is doing , there are a few managers out of work that would do a job . Cooper screwed up so many times last season . But I suppose if you pay peanuts you get monkeys , same with players really . If we won't offer Jay a reasonable contract we must be struggling . I hope we don't play this sh?t tip tap football like we did most of last season it was so boring to watch , and easy for other teams to play against .[/p][/quote]It's in Byrnes contract if he's fit he plays, or if he's sub he must be used. That's why mac is leaving. FACT[/p][/quote]What crap you talk he would not even get a contract like that at super marine he's sh?t !!! harley red
  • Score: 0

8:47pm Wed 7 May 14

harley red says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Too much misty eyed romance over Storey, IMO. I've wanted him to succeed as much as anyone else has but he's been a pro for 3 years now and I think he would have made a bigger mark by now if he was going to do it. If the budget is going to be tight, it makes sense to get someone else to pay his wages, or part of them, until another club wants to sign him on permanently. Speaking of which... If it is such an obviously bad move to let him out on loan, why is there not a queue of clubs wanting to snap him up on a permanent deal?
If you think cooper and his tactics did not cost us points you don't know much do you ??? Thought not
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Too much misty eyed romance over Storey, IMO. I've wanted him to succeed as much as anyone else has but he's been a pro for 3 years now and I think he would have made a bigger mark by now if he was going to do it. If the budget is going to be tight, it makes sense to get someone else to pay his wages, or part of them, until another club wants to sign him on permanently. Speaking of which... If it is such an obviously bad move to let him out on loan, why is there not a queue of clubs wanting to snap him up on a permanent deal?[/p][/quote]If you think cooper and his tactics did not cost us points you don't know much do you ??? Thought not harley red
  • Score: -1

9:13pm Wed 7 May 14

Oi Den! says...

Please yourself Harley. You can pick individual games and say the manager cost us points. Others might pick games where 3 points looked almost impossible but Cooper got them. Look at the season as a whole. Do you really think 8th place was an underachievement? I don't.

Just one more thing. Thanks for telling me I don't know much. Perhaps that's why I supported you on here when the vast majority were giving you stick. Obviously they all knew more than me.
Please yourself Harley. You can pick individual games and say the manager cost us points. Others might pick games where 3 points looked almost impossible but Cooper got them. Look at the season as a whole. Do you really think 8th place was an underachievement? I don't. Just one more thing. Thanks for telling me I don't know much. Perhaps that's why I supported you on here when the vast majority were giving you stick. Obviously they all knew more than me. Oi Den!
  • Score: 2

9:24pm Wed 7 May 14

Cleuso says...

LeGod wrote:
Cleuso - Why dont you read my post correctly???
i didnt say that Storey would be playing every week if he went to Pompey i said he would probably be playing more regularly - which unless i am thick regularly doesnt mean every week.
I would opt for Pompey as I think they will do the business next season in that league and maybe dropping down a league will also give him more confidence if he is banging a few goals in plus playing in front of 15k fans every week has to be good.

Well to me the intimation in the words above would suggest he would be playing every week, if I misunderstood... Sorry, hectic day !
[quote][p][bold]LeGod[/bold] wrote: Cleuso - Why dont you read my post correctly??? i didnt say that Storey would be playing every week if he went to Pompey i said he would probably be playing more regularly - which unless i am thick regularly doesnt mean every week.[/p][/quote]I would opt for Pompey as I think they will do the business next season in that league and maybe dropping down a league will also give him more confidence if he is banging a few goals in plus playing in front of 15k fans every week has to be good. Well to me the intimation in the words above would suggest he would be playing every week, if I misunderstood... Sorry, hectic day ! Cleuso
  • Score: 0

9:29pm Wed 7 May 14

mancrobin says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Too much misty eyed romance over Storey, IMO. I've wanted him to succeed as much as anyone else has but he's been a pro for 3 years now and I think he would have made a bigger mark by now if he was going to do it. If the budget is going to be tight, it makes sense to get someone else to pay his wages, or part of them, until another club wants to sign him on permanently. Speaking of which... If it is such an obviously bad move to let him out on loan, why is there not a queue of clubs wanting to snap him up on a permanent deal?
I think the answer to your your last point is because the jury is still out as to whether he will make it. I agree that there comes a point when he has to stop being the up and coming prospect but as others have pointed out he is still developing and who knows when that might accelerate.

Watching him recently at Tranmere I suspect a big issue is confidence. Moving somewhere on loan where expectations may be less might be what he needs at this point. Only the manager can really judge that and I'm increasingly given to trusting MC's judgement.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Too much misty eyed romance over Storey, IMO. I've wanted him to succeed as much as anyone else has but he's been a pro for 3 years now and I think he would have made a bigger mark by now if he was going to do it. If the budget is going to be tight, it makes sense to get someone else to pay his wages, or part of them, until another club wants to sign him on permanently. Speaking of which... If it is such an obviously bad move to let him out on loan, why is there not a queue of clubs wanting to snap him up on a permanent deal?[/p][/quote]I think the answer to your your last point is because the jury is still out as to whether he will make it. I agree that there comes a point when he has to stop being the up and coming prospect but as others have pointed out he is still developing and who knows when that might accelerate. Watching him recently at Tranmere I suspect a big issue is confidence. Moving somewhere on loan where expectations may be less might be what he needs at this point. Only the manager can really judge that and I'm increasingly given to trusting MC's judgement. mancrobin
  • Score: 0

9:43pm Wed 7 May 14

Billy hunt 65 says...

Billy hunt .. Work it out u bellends
Jed in if not league 2 beckons... Power is taking lots out of the club regarding interest on loans ... Mark my words
Billy hunt .. Work it out u bellends Jed in if not league 2 beckons... Power is taking lots out of the club regarding interest on loans ... Mark my words Billy hunt 65
  • Score: 0

9:51pm Wed 7 May 14

Cleuso says...

London Red wrote:
Cleuso wrote:
London Red wrote: Just because a trio of clubs are interested in him doesn't mean he is going anywhere - we were interested in a trio of Brentford players and didn't sign any of them! . This type of story is going to be happening throughout the next few weeks/months as they have to fill the paper with something . As for Storey - he simply has not made the progress required this season and therefore, is not part of the core - unlike Louis who clearly did take his chance . However, I don't think he should be put on the scrap heap yet as still very young - what 19 possibly 20 - so should be given next season to see if he can adapt his game - as if he is going to make it in football he really needs to be able to play in other formations than an old fashion 442 . If not then simply don't take up his option and release him like we have others . As mentioned above - if it comes down to Williams V Storey - then Williams would get the nod - especially if we are playing 4231/433 or the 343 of recent weeks . I don't rate Williams as a striker - but as a wide forward he could be deadly as he has great pace and can run with the ball - so maybe out wide the pressue to score 20+ is not there and he could could chip in with a number of assists and then 10+ goals - similar to Pritchard's return this term . Also in a front 3 he is more forward than a traditional winger - so that probably would benefit him . If we are going to pay him we might as well play him! . Storey however would be good cover and an option from the bench . Assuming (and this is a big assumption) Troy signs on then the team is likely to shapoe up like this: . Fodders Thompson TAH Branco Byrne Kasim Thompson Tijane Luongo Williams Smith . Bench then Belford, Barthram, Jones, DeCosta, Barker, Waldon and Storey . Think we are down those 18 who are under contract or offered a new one . That is not a bad starting point though! . 4 signings were muted - so ideally we will see a CB, a defensive midfielder, a wideman and a powerful striker . Wages likley to be an issue - but Peter Clarke has been released from Udders - and would be an excellent CB to come in and at 32 should have a season or 2 left in him . Hollands or Diagouraga would be good options in midfield . Ajose would be an outstanding signing up top - especially as we know he can play in the wide forward position - him Williams and Smith would scare most L1 defences! . Then who knows who we could get in on loan on top of that?
London red you keep going on about Diagouraga, are you his agent or something ? Did you watch his recent appearance (non appearance) at the County Ground recently..his passing found the stands more time than Johhny Wilkinson on a good day..can't see the fans warming to that sort of display. No poise, no control, shipped out to Division 2 Portsmouth last season, 10 goals in over 250 league appearances, makes him a 2 goal a season man , hardly a goal scoring midfield player that will set the world alight in and around the County Ground ... Ajose had a purple patch with us, got him a few games at Peterborough when he went back, but by the end seems to have fallen out of favour again, or so I hear as his goalscoring dried up. Hollands played well for us a few seasons back, but whether that could be repeated ???? As to Williams... would like to see him have another chance, especially with the fans..he may have had a bad run which affected his confidence, but sometimes finishing is all about a bit of luck..seem to remember him also hitting the post or bar many times, so all but a few inches would have received a little more patience..more potential than Storey in my eyes. Depends how he reacts to getting back to 100% after the serious injury he has which is the only question mark in my eyes..
No I'm not his agent - I'm just not stupid enough to base my opinion of a player on not even 90 mins of football!
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If you did that then every single player at our club would be bombed out as every single one of them has had a poor a game as he did and some far worse!
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Yes - He did not have a great game here this season - but I've seen him against us a few times before and in them he did have good games
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I've also seen him put in good games in a Swindon shirt!
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You also don't play 250 games at Chamiponship and L1 level if you are woeful!
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250 games - thats practically our entires squads total appearances now the likes of Jay have left - so that is vital experience - and at only 26 is certainly not over the hill
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He only fell out of favour as Brentford signed the best player in the league this season - Forshaw and captured a hot prospect on loan from Chelsea Saville
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Wes has no goals for us and Jay never scored one - does that mean they are not good players?
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No thats right - its not their game to score goals and either is it his - he would come in and add some bite to the midfield and allow Luongo to play further forward where he can do most damage as we saw in flashes against Rotherham on Sat
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He would also then allow Louis to push further forward - which as we have seen against Sheff U recently can lead to him getting goals
Now I'm not one to dispute facts but to say championship player is stretching it a little ..only about 20 of the 250 were in that league, most with mighty big hitters Peterborough ... over 100 appearances were in league 2... but still has a very poor goal return from a midfield player of any ilk irrespective of whether it's his game or not. Using Wes as a goalscoring example is really clutching at straws to try and make a point. His record is more akin to that of Matt Hewlett.

Oh and did I say I was basing my judgement on one game ? ...just an example of his current performance level. After all David Peach was allegedly a quality player once upon a time...before he came to STFC that is...

Sorry I disagree.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cleuso[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Just because a trio of clubs are interested in him doesn't mean he is going anywhere - we were interested in a trio of Brentford players and didn't sign any of them! . This type of story is going to be happening throughout the next few weeks/months as they have to fill the paper with something . As for Storey - he simply has not made the progress required this season and therefore, is not part of the core - unlike Louis who clearly did take his chance . However, I don't think he should be put on the scrap heap yet as still very young - what 19 possibly 20 - so should be given next season to see if he can adapt his game - as if he is going to make it in football he really needs to be able to play in other formations than an old fashion 442 . If not then simply don't take up his option and release him like we have others . As mentioned above - if it comes down to Williams V Storey - then Williams would get the nod - especially if we are playing 4231/433 or the 343 of recent weeks . I don't rate Williams as a striker - but as a wide forward he could be deadly as he has great pace and can run with the ball - so maybe out wide the pressue to score 20+ is not there and he could could chip in with a number of assists and then 10+ goals - similar to Pritchard's return this term . Also in a front 3 he is more forward than a traditional winger - so that probably would benefit him . If we are going to pay him we might as well play him! . Storey however would be good cover and an option from the bench . Assuming (and this is a big assumption) Troy signs on then the team is likely to shapoe up like this: . Fodders Thompson TAH Branco Byrne Kasim Thompson Tijane Luongo Williams Smith . Bench then Belford, Barthram, Jones, DeCosta, Barker, Waldon and Storey . Think we are down those 18 who are under contract or offered a new one . That is not a bad starting point though! . 4 signings were muted - so ideally we will see a CB, a defensive midfielder, a wideman and a powerful striker . Wages likley to be an issue - but Peter Clarke has been released from Udders - and would be an excellent CB to come in and at 32 should have a season or 2 left in him . Hollands or Diagouraga would be good options in midfield . Ajose would be an outstanding signing up top - especially as we know he can play in the wide forward position - him Williams and Smith would scare most L1 defences! . Then who knows who we could get in on loan on top of that?[/p][/quote]London red you keep going on about Diagouraga, are you his agent or something ? Did you watch his recent appearance (non appearance) at the County Ground recently..his passing found the stands more time than Johhny Wilkinson on a good day..can't see the fans warming to that sort of display. No poise, no control, shipped out to Division 2 Portsmouth last season, 10 goals in over 250 league appearances, makes him a 2 goal a season man , hardly a goal scoring midfield player that will set the world alight in and around the County Ground ... Ajose had a purple patch with us, got him a few games at Peterborough when he went back, but by the end seems to have fallen out of favour again, or so I hear as his goalscoring dried up. Hollands played well for us a few seasons back, but whether that could be repeated ???? As to Williams... would like to see him have another chance, especially with the fans..he may have had a bad run which affected his confidence, but sometimes finishing is all about a bit of luck..seem to remember him also hitting the post or bar many times, so all but a few inches would have received a little more patience..more potential than Storey in my eyes. Depends how he reacts to getting back to 100% after the serious injury he has which is the only question mark in my eyes..[/p][/quote]No I'm not his agent - I'm just not stupid enough to base my opinion of a player on not even 90 mins of football! . If you did that then every single player at our club would be bombed out as every single one of them has had a poor a game as he did and some far worse! . Yes - He did not have a great game here this season - but I've seen him against us a few times before and in them he did have good games . I've also seen him put in good games in a Swindon shirt! . You also don't play 250 games at Chamiponship and L1 level if you are woeful! . 250 games - thats practically our entires squads total appearances now the likes of Jay have left - so that is vital experience - and at only 26 is certainly not over the hill . He only fell out of favour as Brentford signed the best player in the league this season - Forshaw and captured a hot prospect on loan from Chelsea Saville . Wes has no goals for us and Jay never scored one - does that mean they are not good players? . No thats right - its not their game to score goals and either is it his - he would come in and add some bite to the midfield and allow Luongo to play further forward where he can do most damage as we saw in flashes against Rotherham on Sat . He would also then allow Louis to push further forward - which as we have seen against Sheff U recently can lead to him getting goals[/p][/quote]Now I'm not one to dispute facts but to say championship player is stretching it a little ..only about 20 of the 250 were in that league, most with mighty big hitters Peterborough ... over 100 appearances were in league 2... but still has a very poor goal return from a midfield player of any ilk irrespective of whether it's his game or not. Using Wes as a goalscoring example is really clutching at straws to try and make a point. His record is more akin to that of Matt Hewlett. Oh and did I say I was basing my judgement on one game ? ...just an example of his current performance level. After all David Peach was allegedly a quality player once upon a time...before he came to STFC that is... Sorry I disagree. Cleuso
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11:44pm Wed 7 May 14

Wilesy says...

Lets not forget that Miles has only ever started 9 games for Swindon....and that includes a couple of games under Bodin, a few on the wing under Di Canio, and 2 spells this season.

If his best position is off a big front man, then it is probably only the recent run of a few games with Smith that counts, and I thought he did pretty well and scored one very nice goal. Also the Coventry winner when he ran on to a Ranger flick on.

Yes he's come on as sub a lot but it's not easy to get into a game so can't judge him on that.

Perhaps one option could be for Cooper to bite the bullet and get a target man in and see how he and Storey get on. You never know it might work....

He has got pace to burn, surely with the right service be it flick ons or balls to run on to he could be the answer. Give him at least 10-20 games though. Look at how Nathan and Louis have improved with regular appearances. Nathan in particular was unconvincing to start with but made the shirt his own when he had a run of games.
Lets not forget that Miles has only ever started 9 games for Swindon....and that includes a couple of games under Bodin, a few on the wing under Di Canio, and 2 spells this season. If his best position is off a big front man, then it is probably only the recent run of a few games with Smith that counts, and I thought he did pretty well and scored one very nice goal. Also the Coventry winner when he ran on to a Ranger flick on. Yes he's come on as sub a lot but it's not easy to get into a game so can't judge him on that. Perhaps one option could be for Cooper to bite the bullet and get a target man in and see how he and Storey get on. You never know it might work.... He has got pace to burn, surely with the right service be it flick ons or balls to run on to he could be the answer. Give him at least 10-20 games though. Look at how Nathan and Louis have improved with regular appearances. Nathan in particular was unconvincing to start with but made the shirt his own when he had a run of games. Wilesy
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7:50am Thu 8 May 14

Oi Den! says...

Wilesy, getting a player in to see if one you've already got is effective? That sounds far too big a gamble for a club that has to be run on a shoestring. Cooper has been working with Storey for a long time. He will know his strengths and weaknesses well enough by now. We can judge a player only by what we see in competitive games, whereas Cooper has training and practice matches to add to the evidence.

As for giving him a run in the side, that's a call we hear from time to time about nearly all fringe players. It's a view I can't subscribe to. If the player does well, fine. If not, I don't think it can be justified. Imagine the stick Storey (and Cooper) would get if he was getting picked every week and not delivering the goods. The names of Prutton and Hall come readily to mind as good examples of that.
Wilesy, getting a player in to see if one you've already got is effective? That sounds far too big a gamble for a club that has to be run on a shoestring. Cooper has been working with Storey for a long time. He will know his strengths and weaknesses well enough by now. We can judge a player only by what we see in competitive games, whereas Cooper has training and practice matches to add to the evidence. As for giving him a run in the side, that's a call we hear from time to time about nearly all fringe players. It's a view I can't subscribe to. If the player does well, fine. If not, I don't think it can be justified. Imagine the stick Storey (and Cooper) would get if he was getting picked every week and not delivering the goods. The names of Prutton and Hall come readily to mind as good examples of that. Oi Den!
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8:38am Thu 8 May 14

old town robin says...

London Red wrote:
Just because a trio of clubs are interested in him doesn't mean he is going anywhere - we were interested in a trio of Brentford players and didn't sign any of them!
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This type of story is going to be happening throughout the next few weeks/months as they have to fill the paper with something
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As for Storey - he simply has not made the progress required this season and therefore, is not part of the core - unlike Louis who clearly did take his chance
.
However, I don't think he should be put on the scrap heap yet as still very young - what 19 possibly 20 - so should be given next season to see if he can adapt his game - as if he is going to make it in football he really needs to be able to play in other formations than an old fashion 442
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If not then simply don't take up his option and release him like we have others
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As mentioned above - if it comes down to Williams V Storey - then Williams would get the nod - especially if we are playing 4231/433 or the 343 of recent weeks
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I don't rate Williams as a striker - but as a wide forward he could be deadly as he has great pace and can run with the ball - so maybe out wide the pressue to score 20+ is not there and he could could chip in with a number of assists and then 10+ goals - similar to Pritchard's return this term
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Also in a front 3 he is more forward than a traditional winger - so that probably would benefit him
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If we are going to pay him we might as well play him!
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Storey however would be good cover and an option from the bench
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Assuming (and this is a big assumption) Troy signs on then the team is likely to shapoe up like this:
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Fodders
Thompson TAH Branco Byrne
Kasim Thompson
Tijane Luongo Williams
Smith
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Bench then Belford, Barthram, Jones, DeCosta, Barker, Waldon and Storey
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Think we are down those 18 who are under contract or offered a new one
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That is not a bad starting point though!
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4 signings were muted - so ideally we will see a CB, a defensive midfielder, a wideman and a powerful striker
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Wages likley to be an issue - but Peter Clarke has been released from Udders - and would be an excellent CB to come in and at 32 should have a season or 2 left in him
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Hollands or Diagouraga would be good options in midfield
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Ajose would be an outstanding signing up top - especially as we know he can play in the wide forward position - him Williams and Smith would scare most L1 defences!
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Then who knows who we could get in on loan on top of that?
No place for Gladwin then LR,

i haven't heard if Cooper and Power have come to a decision on Waldron as yet. they seemed to think he did OK when he came on against Rotherham, if we do keep him, surely one to send out on loan to gain experience.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Just because a trio of clubs are interested in him doesn't mean he is going anywhere - we were interested in a trio of Brentford players and didn't sign any of them! . This type of story is going to be happening throughout the next few weeks/months as they have to fill the paper with something . As for Storey - he simply has not made the progress required this season and therefore, is not part of the core - unlike Louis who clearly did take his chance . However, I don't think he should be put on the scrap heap yet as still very young - what 19 possibly 20 - so should be given next season to see if he can adapt his game - as if he is going to make it in football he really needs to be able to play in other formations than an old fashion 442 . If not then simply don't take up his option and release him like we have others . As mentioned above - if it comes down to Williams V Storey - then Williams would get the nod - especially if we are playing 4231/433 or the 343 of recent weeks . I don't rate Williams as a striker - but as a wide forward he could be deadly as he has great pace and can run with the ball - so maybe out wide the pressue to score 20+ is not there and he could could chip in with a number of assists and then 10+ goals - similar to Pritchard's return this term . Also in a front 3 he is more forward than a traditional winger - so that probably would benefit him . If we are going to pay him we might as well play him! . Storey however would be good cover and an option from the bench . Assuming (and this is a big assumption) Troy signs on then the team is likely to shapoe up like this: . Fodders Thompson TAH Branco Byrne Kasim Thompson Tijane Luongo Williams Smith . Bench then Belford, Barthram, Jones, DeCosta, Barker, Waldon and Storey . Think we are down those 18 who are under contract or offered a new one . That is not a bad starting point though! . 4 signings were muted - so ideally we will see a CB, a defensive midfielder, a wideman and a powerful striker . Wages likley to be an issue - but Peter Clarke has been released from Udders - and would be an excellent CB to come in and at 32 should have a season or 2 left in him . Hollands or Diagouraga would be good options in midfield . Ajose would be an outstanding signing up top - especially as we know he can play in the wide forward position - him Williams and Smith would scare most L1 defences! . Then who knows who we could get in on loan on top of that?[/p][/quote]No place for Gladwin then LR, i haven't heard if Cooper and Power have come to a decision on Waldron as yet. they seemed to think he did OK when he came on against Rotherham, if we do keep him, surely one to send out on loan to gain experience. old town robin
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11:24am Thu 8 May 14

Wilesy says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Wilesy, getting a player in to see if one you've already got is effective? That sounds far too big a gamble for a club that has to be run on a shoestring. Cooper has been working with Storey for a long time. He will know his strengths and weaknesses well enough by now. We can judge a player only by what we see in competitive games, whereas Cooper has training and practice matches to add to the evidence.

As for giving him a run in the side, that's a call we hear from time to time about nearly all fringe players. It's a view I can't subscribe to. If the player does well, fine. If not, I don't think it can be justified. Imagine the stick Storey (and Cooper) would get if he was getting picked every week and not delivering the goods. The names of Prutton and Hall come readily to mind as good examples of that.
Den unless you judge a player on one or two appearances (or 9 starts in 3 years in Storey's case) you have to give them a run in the side. Training is completely different to League 1 competitive action. And you kind of contradict yourself there as if running on a shoestring you have to stick with players more than the PDC era of binning them off after 1 bad game.

And has Cooper seen enough of Storey? He's been injured and on loan at 2 clubs during the season, so in an out of the picture.

I'm not saying Storey is necessarily the answer, but he deserves a chance. He was an England U20 international last season, and with the right formation or strike partner could be good.

I would probably compare him to Bodin in terms of evolution in the squad - he also didn't get much of a chance but didn't have an outstanding characteristic like pace or strength. Storey has more potential imo, he has pace and has strengthened. We see so few strikers with pace in L1, give him a chance, but not 2 games....
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Wilesy, getting a player in to see if one you've already got is effective? That sounds far too big a gamble for a club that has to be run on a shoestring. Cooper has been working with Storey for a long time. He will know his strengths and weaknesses well enough by now. We can judge a player only by what we see in competitive games, whereas Cooper has training and practice matches to add to the evidence. As for giving him a run in the side, that's a call we hear from time to time about nearly all fringe players. It's a view I can't subscribe to. If the player does well, fine. If not, I don't think it can be justified. Imagine the stick Storey (and Cooper) would get if he was getting picked every week and not delivering the goods. The names of Prutton and Hall come readily to mind as good examples of that.[/p][/quote]Den unless you judge a player on one or two appearances (or 9 starts in 3 years in Storey's case) you have to give them a run in the side. Training is completely different to League 1 competitive action. And you kind of contradict yourself there as if running on a shoestring you have to stick with players more than the PDC era of binning them off after 1 bad game. And has Cooper seen enough of Storey? He's been injured and on loan at 2 clubs during the season, so in an out of the picture. I'm not saying Storey is necessarily the answer, but he deserves a chance. He was an England U20 international last season, and with the right formation or strike partner could be good. I would probably compare him to Bodin in terms of evolution in the squad - he also didn't get much of a chance but didn't have an outstanding characteristic like pace or strength. Storey has more potential imo, he has pace and has strengthened. We see so few strikers with pace in L1, give him a chance, but not 2 games.... Wilesy
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1:13pm Thu 8 May 14

Oi Den! says...

Wilesy, I do hope you're right and I'm wrong about Storey. I just don't think he's lived up to his promise and I wonder how long a financially strapped club like ours can carry on paying him and waiting for him to make the breakthrough. I agree with you of course that training can't be compared to competitive action but it's part of the all round picture that any manager sees in his players. We'll have to agree to differ on giving him a run in the team. In my view, no player should ever get a run in the team unless he's turning in consistently good performances, with perhaps the odd off day thrown in.
Wilesy, I do hope you're right and I'm wrong about Storey. I just don't think he's lived up to his promise and I wonder how long a financially strapped club like ours can carry on paying him and waiting for him to make the breakthrough. I agree with you of course that training can't be compared to competitive action but it's part of the all round picture that any manager sees in his players. We'll have to agree to differ on giving him a run in the team. In my view, no player should ever get a run in the team unless he's turning in consistently good performances, with perhaps the odd off day thrown in. Oi Den!
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1:37pm Thu 8 May 14

London Red says...

old town robin wrote:
London Red wrote: Just because a trio of clubs are interested in him doesn't mean he is going anywhere - we were interested in a trio of Brentford players and didn't sign any of them! . This type of story is going to be happening throughout the next few weeks/months as they have to fill the paper with something . As for Storey - he simply has not made the progress required this season and therefore, is not part of the core - unlike Louis who clearly did take his chance . However, I don't think he should be put on the scrap heap yet as still very young - what 19 possibly 20 - so should be given next season to see if he can adapt his game - as if he is going to make it in football he really needs to be able to play in other formations than an old fashion 442 . If not then simply don't take up his option and release him like we have others . As mentioned above - if it comes down to Williams V Storey - then Williams would get the nod - especially if we are playing 4231/433 or the 343 of recent weeks . I don't rate Williams as a striker - but as a wide forward he could be deadly as he has great pace and can run with the ball - so maybe out wide the pressue to score 20+ is not there and he could could chip in with a number of assists and then 10+ goals - similar to Pritchard's return this term . Also in a front 3 he is more forward than a traditional winger - so that probably would benefit him . If we are going to pay him we might as well play him! . Storey however would be good cover and an option from the bench . Assuming (and this is a big assumption) Troy signs on then the team is likely to shapoe up like this: . Fodders Thompson TAH Branco Byrne Kasim Thompson Tijane Luongo Williams Smith . Bench then Belford, Barthram, Jones, DeCosta, Barker, Waldon and Storey . Think we are down those 18 who are under contract or offered a new one . That is not a bad starting point though! . 4 signings were muted - so ideally we will see a CB, a defensive midfielder, a wideman and a powerful striker . Wages likley to be an issue - but Peter Clarke has been released from Udders - and would be an excellent CB to come in and at 32 should have a season or 2 left in him . Hollands or Diagouraga would be good options in midfield . Ajose would be an outstanding signing up top - especially as we know he can play in the wide forward position - him Williams and Smith would scare most L1 defences! . Then who knows who we could get in on loan on top of that?
No place for Gladwin then LR, i haven't heard if Cooper and Power have come to a decision on Waldron as yet. they seemed to think he did OK when he came on against Rotherham, if we do keep him, surely one to send out on loan to gain experience.
I also forgot Ward and Harley who are still under contract but haven't played for ages so slipped my mind!
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They make the starting point even stronger!
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Still think we need the same 4 additrions
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I thought Barthram was having his option taken up and Branco anbd Waldon were having offers put to them - no guarantee they will stay but not being released like the other 10
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I thought Waldon did pretty well against Rotherham and certainly didn't seem out of his depth - he was why Storey didn't play and as Cooper said I've seen Storey I hadn't really seen Waldon so wanted a look at him - I think based on that a year extension should be given - as he won't be on mega bucks
[quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Just because a trio of clubs are interested in him doesn't mean he is going anywhere - we were interested in a trio of Brentford players and didn't sign any of them! . This type of story is going to be happening throughout the next few weeks/months as they have to fill the paper with something . As for Storey - he simply has not made the progress required this season and therefore, is not part of the core - unlike Louis who clearly did take his chance . However, I don't think he should be put on the scrap heap yet as still very young - what 19 possibly 20 - so should be given next season to see if he can adapt his game - as if he is going to make it in football he really needs to be able to play in other formations than an old fashion 442 . If not then simply don't take up his option and release him like we have others . As mentioned above - if it comes down to Williams V Storey - then Williams would get the nod - especially if we are playing 4231/433 or the 343 of recent weeks . I don't rate Williams as a striker - but as a wide forward he could be deadly as he has great pace and can run with the ball - so maybe out wide the pressue to score 20+ is not there and he could could chip in with a number of assists and then 10+ goals - similar to Pritchard's return this term . Also in a front 3 he is more forward than a traditional winger - so that probably would benefit him . If we are going to pay him we might as well play him! . Storey however would be good cover and an option from the bench . Assuming (and this is a big assumption) Troy signs on then the team is likely to shapoe up like this: . Fodders Thompson TAH Branco Byrne Kasim Thompson Tijane Luongo Williams Smith . Bench then Belford, Barthram, Jones, DeCosta, Barker, Waldon and Storey . Think we are down those 18 who are under contract or offered a new one . That is not a bad starting point though! . 4 signings were muted - so ideally we will see a CB, a defensive midfielder, a wideman and a powerful striker . Wages likley to be an issue - but Peter Clarke has been released from Udders - and would be an excellent CB to come in and at 32 should have a season or 2 left in him . Hollands or Diagouraga would be good options in midfield . Ajose would be an outstanding signing up top - especially as we know he can play in the wide forward position - him Williams and Smith would scare most L1 defences! . Then who knows who we could get in on loan on top of that?[/p][/quote]No place for Gladwin then LR, i haven't heard if Cooper and Power have come to a decision on Waldron as yet. they seemed to think he did OK when he came on against Rotherham, if we do keep him, surely one to send out on loan to gain experience.[/p][/quote]I also forgot Ward and Harley who are still under contract but haven't played for ages so slipped my mind! . They make the starting point even stronger! . Still think we need the same 4 additrions . I thought Barthram was having his option taken up and Branco anbd Waldon were having offers put to them - no guarantee they will stay but not being released like the other 10 . I thought Waldon did pretty well against Rotherham and certainly didn't seem out of his depth - he was why Storey didn't play and as Cooper said I've seen Storey I hadn't really seen Waldon so wanted a look at him - I think based on that a year extension should be given - as he won't be on mega bucks London Red
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8:06pm Thu 8 May 14

The Jockster says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Wilesy, I do hope you're right and I'm wrong about Storey. I just don't think he's lived up to his promise and I wonder how long a financially strapped club like ours can carry on paying him and waiting for him to make the breakthrough. I agree with you of course that training can't be compared to competitive action but it's part of the all round picture that any manager sees in his players. We'll have to agree to differ on giving him a run in the team. In my view, no player should ever get a run in the team unless he's turning in consistently good performances, with perhaps the odd off day thrown in.
Den, like you I'm unconvinced about Storey, but how can his ability be judged on the basis of a few cameo performances which is by enlarged what Storey's appearances have consisted of.
You say in your opinion no player should get a run in the team unless he's consistently turning in good performances but how can he do that without that run in the team? I don't know how much game time Miles has had but all I seem to recall is a ten or fifteen minute sub role often when the chips were down. Isn't it a catch 22 or chicken & egg scenario? Surely the lad must have half a dozen games to prove himself?
As an aside Cooper has said today that Miles remains in his plans so like everything else it seems we'll just have to wait and see.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Wilesy, I do hope you're right and I'm wrong about Storey. I just don't think he's lived up to his promise and I wonder how long a financially strapped club like ours can carry on paying him and waiting for him to make the breakthrough. I agree with you of course that training can't be compared to competitive action but it's part of the all round picture that any manager sees in his players. We'll have to agree to differ on giving him a run in the team. In my view, no player should ever get a run in the team unless he's turning in consistently good performances, with perhaps the odd off day thrown in.[/p][/quote]Den, like you I'm unconvinced about Storey, but how can his ability be judged on the basis of a few cameo performances which is by enlarged what Storey's appearances have consisted of. You say in your opinion no player should get a run in the team unless he's consistently turning in good performances but how can he do that without that run in the team? I don't know how much game time Miles has had but all I seem to recall is a ten or fifteen minute sub role often when the chips were down. Isn't it a catch 22 or chicken & egg scenario? Surely the lad must have half a dozen games to prove himself? As an aside Cooper has said today that Miles remains in his plans so like everything else it seems we'll just have to wait and see. The Jockster
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9:03pm Thu 8 May 14

Oi Den! says...

Fair enough Jock. See what you mean about the chicken and egg but I don't think any player should get a guaranteed run of half a dozen games. If Storey - or anyone else - played say 3 consecutive poor games and continued to get picked, this forum would go into meltdown. It's up to players to take their chance when it comes along.

Maybe the big problem is that there's no reserve team where players can stake a fair claim for a place. That's how Austin and Paynter came to prominence as a partnership, particularly in a game at Reading I think.

Had to chuckle the other day at the FA's revolutionary idea of a reserve league for top flight clubs. Well, well, well - no shiit Sherlock.
Fair enough Jock. See what you mean about the chicken and egg but I don't think any player should get a guaranteed run of half a dozen games. If Storey - or anyone else - played say 3 consecutive poor games and continued to get picked, this forum would go into meltdown. It's up to players to take their chance when it comes along. Maybe the big problem is that there's no reserve team where players can stake a fair claim for a place. That's how Austin and Paynter came to prominence as a partnership, particularly in a game at Reading I think. Had to chuckle the other day at the FA's revolutionary idea of a reserve league for top flight clubs. Well, well, well - no shiit Sherlock. Oi Den!
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9:07pm Thu 8 May 14

Oi Den! says...

By the way, didn't Storey have half a dozen games at Shrewsbury? Surely we would have had someone watching him there? And yes, I know he was in a crap team.
By the way, didn't Storey have half a dozen games at Shrewsbury? Surely we would have had someone watching him there? And yes, I know he was in a crap team. Oi Den!
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10:42pm Thu 8 May 14

The Jockster says...

But that's exactly the difficulty particularly with a striker. Didn't impress at Shrews but as you say not surrounded by good players. Similarly take our hot and cold midfield - if Coops decides for example to give him 3 games on the trot and our midfield are blowing cold and he's getting no service again it's difficult to decide what his capabilities are.
I reckon he's worth a try, after all there's only really Wilma and Smith as alternatives so I can't see we'd be any worse off trying Miles out.
But that's exactly the difficulty particularly with a striker. Didn't impress at Shrews but as you say not surrounded by good players. Similarly take our hot and cold midfield - if Coops decides for example to give him 3 games on the trot and our midfield are blowing cold and he's getting no service again it's difficult to decide what his capabilities are. I reckon he's worth a try, after all there's only really Wilma and Smith as alternatives so I can't see we'd be any worse off trying Miles out. The Jockster
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7:03am Fri 9 May 14

Oi Den! says...

I suppose we just wait and see what Cooper does. I think his comments yesterday probably fall into the "well, he would say that wouldn't he" category. I don't have any kind if downer on Storey but I do think Williams is twice the threat to the opposition - goals or no goals. Your chance to take another tender off me - 15 goals from Williams if he's with us for the whole season and stays clear of serious injury.
I suppose we just wait and see what Cooper does. I think his comments yesterday probably fall into the "well, he would say that wouldn't he" category. I don't have any kind if downer on Storey but I do think Williams is twice the threat to the opposition - goals or no goals. Your chance to take another tender off me - 15 goals from Williams if he's with us for the whole season and stays clear of serious injury. Oi Den!
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7:08am Fri 9 May 14

Oi Den! says...

Tenner not tender!
Tenner not tender! Oi Den!
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8:26am Fri 9 May 14

MisterD says...

Aaaa
Aaaa MisterD
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