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Waldon could be set for loan switch

Swindon Advertiser: Connor Waldon Connor Waldon

MILES Storey’s departure to Portsmouth could pave the way for Connor Waldon to make a big impression with Swindon Town in 2014/15, but the young striker may still end up going out on loan himself.

Waldon is one of four strikers left at the County Ground, alongside Michael Smith, Andy Williams and George Barker, following the completion of Storey’s season-long switch to Fratton Park yesterday, and Robins manager Mark Cooper is confident the teenager has what it takes to prove himself in league football this term.

However, depending on whether or not the Town boss manages to acquire a new forward in the transfer market, Waldon and a handful of other young Swindon stars could be farmed out on loan themselves, in a bid to gain first-team experience.

Of Waldon, Cooper said: “It would help him in the fact that there would be a vacancy and a space in the squad that Miles would leave. Connor played in the last game of the season and I thought he did quite well. There’s a lot of promise there as well but he’s still a baby and whether he’s ready consistently to play in League One just yet, we’ll see.

“It might be that two or three of the young lads need to go out and play as well. We’ve got to see what we bring in first.”

Cooper is targeting “two or three” signings before the new League One campaign gets underway on August 9, with Town expected to draft in a number of young players from the Premier League.

“I think it’ll be two or three that we bring in,” said Cooper. “I don’t think we need it to be like last year. I think we’re short central defensively.

“Hopefully with the basis of the squad being done and adding to or three, that’ll be good for us.”

Of Storey’s loan switch to the south coast, Cooper said: “I think he knows he’ll be playing regularly.

“He’ll be playing for a big club in a league below in front of a big crowd every week. It gives him an opportunity to get into a rhythm and score some goals and I think it will do him a world of good.

“I think he can score more goals, he’s still got to get that consistency in holding the ball up. It’s not all about running in behind people all the time. We are working with him but it’s about that ability to hold the ball up.”

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7:09am Fri 11 Jul 14

port de soller says...

as said the other day,clearing the Decks,at least if these young players go out on loan they will hopefully play week in week out and at the end of the day give them an oppotunity of progressing.
Also it does free up money(wages) might not be much but is clear LP wants the club to be efficient(wow Pdc would have had a heart attack by now)That was a joke, times have changed just think if STFC had been a bit more Frugal when AB was at the helm he may still be here with all his money.Still that´s history.Do wish STFC well this season and the Fans hope as allways you get behind them 100% well time to get the fresh bread/have coffee and brandy and waalk on the Beach
as said the other day,clearing the Decks,at least if these young players go out on loan they will hopefully play week in week out and at the end of the day give them an oppotunity of progressing. Also it does free up money(wages) might not be much but is clear LP wants the club to be efficient(wow Pdc would have had a heart attack by now)That was a joke, times have changed just think if STFC had been a bit more Frugal when AB was at the helm he may still be here with all his money.Still that´s history.Do wish STFC well this season and the Fans hope as allways you get behind them 100% well time to get the fresh bread/have coffee and brandy and waalk on the Beach port de soller
  • Score: 5

8:31am Fri 11 Jul 14

Psychedelic Syd says...

I think we need 2 or 3 central defenders and 2 or 3 strikers but I guess ££££'s dictate our squad. Any update on season ticket sales since the 10% offer?
I think we need 2 or 3 central defenders and 2 or 3 strikers but I guess ££££'s dictate our squad. Any update on season ticket sales since the 10% offer? Psychedelic Syd
  • Score: 1

8:37am Fri 11 Jul 14

smirg kcab says...

4-6-0 it is then
4-6-0 it is then smirg kcab
  • Score: -7

8:46am Fri 11 Jul 14

EastleazeRed says...

Didn't power say he wanted the smallest squad in the league :-D
Didn't power say he wanted the smallest squad in the league :-D EastleazeRed
  • Score: -1

9:08am Fri 11 Jul 14

Fernham Red says...

My money is on Stephens, Turley and a Spurs striker (Perhaps Shaquille Coulhirst?) coming in .....Waldon, Jones and Da Costa off on loan to local teams (Forest Green Rovers, Salisbury and Cheltenham)
My money is on Stephens, Turley and a Spurs striker (Perhaps Shaquille Coulhirst?) coming in .....Waldon, Jones and Da Costa off on loan to local teams (Forest Green Rovers, Salisbury and Cheltenham) Fernham Red
  • Score: 0

9:13am Fri 11 Jul 14

oz ashes says...

ryan campbell strker/winger 19 years from newcastle on loan for the season i just read on another site
ryan campbell strker/winger 19 years from newcastle on loan for the season i just read on another site oz ashes
  • Score: 0

9:15am Fri 11 Jul 14

oz ashes says...

smirg kcab wrote:
4-6-0 it is then
where you playing wilma in that line up grime
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: 4-6-0 it is then[/p][/quote]where you playing wilma in that line up grime oz ashes
  • Score: 0

9:41am Fri 11 Jul 14

Wilesy says...

OUT - McEveley, Troy, Hall, Belford, Stephens, Pritchard, Storey, Ranger, Mason, N'Guessan, Navarro, plus youngsters Oakley and Waldron

IN - No-one yet

Power - "3 or 4 incoming"
Cooper - "2 or 3 incoming"

13 out out and potentially 2 to 4 in. Can anyone explain how we should be optimistic that next season will be better than last? Hardly surprising season tickets aren't flying out. That's not a doom and gloom comment, just basic maths.
OUT - McEveley, Troy, Hall, Belford, Stephens, Pritchard, Storey, Ranger, Mason, N'Guessan, Navarro, plus youngsters Oakley and Waldron IN - No-one yet Power - "3 or 4 incoming" Cooper - "2 or 3 incoming" 13 out out and potentially 2 to 4 in. Can anyone explain how we should be optimistic that next season will be better than last? Hardly surprising season tickets aren't flying out. That's not a doom and gloom comment, just basic maths. Wilesy
  • Score: 1

9:46am Fri 11 Jul 14

The Nomis says...

Just a thought....Why do we always struggle financially and struggle to get decent players in when clubs that average 3-4k always seem to manage ok and better than us?. Apart from Wolves, Sheff Utd, Preston, Bristol, MK Dons, Portsmouth we averaged the next highet home gate in the lower 2 divisions. Always seems like clubs on half our average gate have no problems signing numerous players while we in total must have off loaded around 12 players and Cooper said they are looking at signing ONLY 2 or 3 new players to replace them. What happens when injuries and suspensions kick in?, we will be totally f*cked. I understand we need to cut the wage bill AGAIN, but like I said, smaller clubs seem to manage ok. Hate to think how we would cope if we averaged 4k then
Just a thought....Why do we always struggle financially and struggle to get decent players in when clubs that average 3-4k always seem to manage ok and better than us?. Apart from Wolves, Sheff Utd, Preston, Bristol, MK Dons, Portsmouth we averaged the next highet home gate in the lower 2 divisions. Always seems like clubs on half our average gate have no problems signing numerous players while we in total must have off loaded around 12 players and Cooper said they are looking at signing ONLY 2 or 3 new players to replace them. What happens when injuries and suspensions kick in?, we will be totally f*cked. I understand we need to cut the wage bill AGAIN, but like I said, smaller clubs seem to manage ok. Hate to think how we would cope if we averaged 4k then The Nomis
  • Score: 0

12:07pm Fri 11 Jul 14

London Red says...

Wilesy wrote:
OUT - McEveley, Troy, Hall, Belford, Stephens, Pritchard, Storey, Ranger, Mason, N'Guessan, Navarro, plus youngsters Oakley and Waldron

IN - No-one yet

Power - "3 or 4 incoming"
Cooper - "2 or 3 incoming"

13 out out and potentially 2 to 4 in. Can anyone explain how we should be optimistic that next season will be better than last? Hardly surprising season tickets aren't flying out. That's not a doom and gloom comment, just basic maths.
Why do you always uses names of players that have no impact on the first team squad what-so-ever in analysis of the squad?
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When was the last time Navarro actually pulled on a shirt and ran out on the pitch?
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Did he even play in 2013? Let alone 2014 - so is he really a miss in being released?
.
Mason only played 18 of our 55 games last season of which the last was 25 January 2014 - Mass basically played the same amount of games AFTER Mason's last appearance - is he really a miss?
.
Hall was hated by most fans and they are glad he has gone - so not many will miss him. Plus his last real game for us was 18 January - so like with Mason we played nearly 20 games without him already!
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N'Guessan fell out of favour back in Oct or Nov and hardly featured after that - so again is he a real miss?
.
Belford, Storey and Waldon are only on loan - getting experience - the same way Pritchard and Stephens did with us! Plus all have others ahead of them - you going to drop Wes for Ty?????
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We had far far far to big a squad last year with something like 35 on the books so out is always going to be more than in as we address that!
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The reason to be optimistic is we have a great core of players who are growing, learning and developing as a group and who play some of the best and exciting football we have seen at the CG for a long time!
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If they were not good why is there so much interest in the Crown Jewels of Wes, Nathan, Mass and Louis?
.
That is what there is to be excited about!
.
Plus we do not know who will join on loan - Stephans might be back and who knows if we will land another Pritchard????
[quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: OUT - McEveley, Troy, Hall, Belford, Stephens, Pritchard, Storey, Ranger, Mason, N'Guessan, Navarro, plus youngsters Oakley and Waldron IN - No-one yet Power - "3 or 4 incoming" Cooper - "2 or 3 incoming" 13 out out and potentially 2 to 4 in. Can anyone explain how we should be optimistic that next season will be better than last? Hardly surprising season tickets aren't flying out. That's not a doom and gloom comment, just basic maths.[/p][/quote]Why do you always uses names of players that have no impact on the first team squad what-so-ever in analysis of the squad? . When was the last time Navarro actually pulled on a shirt and ran out on the pitch? . Did he even play in 2013? Let alone 2014 - so is he really a miss in being released? . Mason only played 18 of our 55 games last season of which the last was 25 January 2014 - Mass basically played the same amount of games AFTER Mason's last appearance - is he really a miss? . Hall was hated by most fans and they are glad he has gone - so not many will miss him. Plus his last real game for us was 18 January - so like with Mason we played nearly 20 games without him already! . N'Guessan fell out of favour back in Oct or Nov and hardly featured after that - so again is he a real miss? . Belford, Storey and Waldon are only on loan - getting experience - the same way Pritchard and Stephens did with us! Plus all have others ahead of them - you going to drop Wes for Ty????? . We had far far far to big a squad last year with something like 35 on the books so out is always going to be more than in as we address that! . The reason to be optimistic is we have a great core of players who are growing, learning and developing as a group and who play some of the best and exciting football we have seen at the CG for a long time! . If they were not good why is there so much interest in the Crown Jewels of Wes, Nathan, Mass and Louis? . That is what there is to be excited about! . Plus we do not know who will join on loan - Stephans might be back and who knows if we will land another Pritchard???? London Red
  • Score: 4

12:30pm Fri 11 Jul 14

The Nomis says...

London Red wrote:
Wilesy wrote: OUT - McEveley, Troy, Hall, Belford, Stephens, Pritchard, Storey, Ranger, Mason, N'Guessan, Navarro, plus youngsters Oakley and Waldron IN - No-one yet Power - "3 or 4 incoming" Cooper - "2 or 3 incoming" 13 out out and potentially 2 to 4 in. Can anyone explain how we should be optimistic that next season will be better than last? Hardly surprising season tickets aren't flying out. That's not a doom and gloom comment, just basic maths.
Why do you always uses names of players that have no impact on the first team squad what-so-ever in analysis of the squad? . When was the last time Navarro actually pulled on a shirt and ran out on the pitch? . Did he even play in 2013? Let alone 2014 - so is he really a miss in being released? . Mason only played 18 of our 55 games last season of which the last was 25 January 2014 - Mass basically played the same amount of games AFTER Mason's last appearance - is he really a miss? . Hall was hated by most fans and they are glad he has gone - so not many will miss him. Plus his last real game for us was 18 January - so like with Mason we played nearly 20 games without him already! . N'Guessan fell out of favour back in Oct or Nov and hardly featured after that - so again is he a real miss? . Belford, Storey and Waldon are only on loan - getting experience - the same way Pritchard and Stephens did with us! Plus all have others ahead of them - you going to drop Wes for Ty????? . We had far far far to big a squad last year with something like 35 on the books so out is always going to be more than in as we address that! . The reason to be optimistic is we have a great core of players who are growing, learning and developing as a group and who play some of the best and exciting football we have seen at the CG for a long time! . If they were not good why is there so much interest in the Crown Jewels of Wes, Nathan, Mass and Louis? . That is what there is to be excited about! . Plus we do not know who will join on loan - Stephans might be back and who knows if we will land another Pritchard????
Nothing at all to be excited about, that's the trouble with you fans with your heads buried in the sand. We are going backwards not forwards. Play-offs 2 seasons ago- 8th last season=going backwards. 8th last season-Bet we will finish lower this coming season=going backwards again. Whos gonna cover the injuries and suspensions which will happen during the season??. 13 players gone and ZERO so far coming in hasn't got me excited to be honest, more rather worried. Just below half way is my prediction if we are lucky and that is not going forward in my eyes
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: OUT - McEveley, Troy, Hall, Belford, Stephens, Pritchard, Storey, Ranger, Mason, N'Guessan, Navarro, plus youngsters Oakley and Waldron IN - No-one yet Power - "3 or 4 incoming" Cooper - "2 or 3 incoming" 13 out out and potentially 2 to 4 in. Can anyone explain how we should be optimistic that next season will be better than last? Hardly surprising season tickets aren't flying out. That's not a doom and gloom comment, just basic maths.[/p][/quote]Why do you always uses names of players that have no impact on the first team squad what-so-ever in analysis of the squad? . When was the last time Navarro actually pulled on a shirt and ran out on the pitch? . Did he even play in 2013? Let alone 2014 - so is he really a miss in being released? . Mason only played 18 of our 55 games last season of which the last was 25 January 2014 - Mass basically played the same amount of games AFTER Mason's last appearance - is he really a miss? . Hall was hated by most fans and they are glad he has gone - so not many will miss him. Plus his last real game for us was 18 January - so like with Mason we played nearly 20 games without him already! . N'Guessan fell out of favour back in Oct or Nov and hardly featured after that - so again is he a real miss? . Belford, Storey and Waldon are only on loan - getting experience - the same way Pritchard and Stephens did with us! Plus all have others ahead of them - you going to drop Wes for Ty????? . We had far far far to big a squad last year with something like 35 on the books so out is always going to be more than in as we address that! . The reason to be optimistic is we have a great core of players who are growing, learning and developing as a group and who play some of the best and exciting football we have seen at the CG for a long time! . If they were not good why is there so much interest in the Crown Jewels of Wes, Nathan, Mass and Louis? . That is what there is to be excited about! . Plus we do not know who will join on loan - Stephans might be back and who knows if we will land another Pritchard????[/p][/quote]Nothing at all to be excited about, that's the trouble with you fans with your heads buried in the sand. We are going backwards not forwards. Play-offs 2 seasons ago- 8th last season=going backwards. 8th last season-Bet we will finish lower this coming season=going backwards again. Whos gonna cover the injuries and suspensions which will happen during the season??. 13 players gone and ZERO so far coming in hasn't got me excited to be honest, more rather worried. Just below half way is my prediction if we are lucky and that is not going forward in my eyes The Nomis
  • Score: -4

12:51pm Fri 11 Jul 14

oz ashes says...

The Nomis wrote:
London Red wrote:
Wilesy wrote: OUT - McEveley, Troy, Hall, Belford, Stephens, Pritchard, Storey, Ranger, Mason, N'Guessan, Navarro, plus youngsters Oakley and Waldron IN - No-one yet Power - "3 or 4 incoming" Cooper - "2 or 3 incoming" 13 out out and potentially 2 to 4 in. Can anyone explain how we should be optimistic that next season will be better than last? Hardly surprising season tickets aren't flying out. That's not a doom and gloom comment, just basic maths.
Why do you always uses names of players that have no impact on the first team squad what-so-ever in analysis of the squad? . When was the last time Navarro actually pulled on a shirt and ran out on the pitch? . Did he even play in 2013? Let alone 2014 - so is he really a miss in being released? . Mason only played 18 of our 55 games last season of which the last was 25 January 2014 - Mass basically played the same amount of games AFTER Mason's last appearance - is he really a miss? . Hall was hated by most fans and they are glad he has gone - so not many will miss him. Plus his last real game for us was 18 January - so like with Mason we played nearly 20 games without him already! . N'Guessan fell out of favour back in Oct or Nov and hardly featured after that - so again is he a real miss? . Belford, Storey and Waldon are only on loan - getting experience - the same way Pritchard and Stephens did with us! Plus all have others ahead of them - you going to drop Wes for Ty????? . We had far far far to big a squad last year with something like 35 on the books so out is always going to be more than in as we address that! . The reason to be optimistic is we have a great core of players who are growing, learning and developing as a group and who play some of the best and exciting football we have seen at the CG for a long time! . If they were not good why is there so much interest in the Crown Jewels of Wes, Nathan, Mass and Louis? . That is what there is to be excited about! . Plus we do not know who will join on loan - Stephans might be back and who knows if we will land another Pritchard????
Nothing at all to be excited about, that's the trouble with you fans with your heads buried in the sand. We are going backwards not forwards. Play-offs 2 seasons ago- 8th last season=going backwards. 8th last season-Bet we will finish lower this coming season=going backwards again. Whos gonna cover the injuries and suspensions which will happen during the season??. 13 players gone and ZERO so far coming in hasn't got me excited to be honest, more rather worried. Just below half way is my prediction if we are lucky and that is not going forward in my eyes
yep and times running out eh the nomis
only a whole month till the start of the season
panic stations
[quote][p][bold]The Nomis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: OUT - McEveley, Troy, Hall, Belford, Stephens, Pritchard, Storey, Ranger, Mason, N'Guessan, Navarro, plus youngsters Oakley and Waldron IN - No-one yet Power - "3 or 4 incoming" Cooper - "2 or 3 incoming" 13 out out and potentially 2 to 4 in. Can anyone explain how we should be optimistic that next season will be better than last? Hardly surprising season tickets aren't flying out. That's not a doom and gloom comment, just basic maths.[/p][/quote]Why do you always uses names of players that have no impact on the first team squad what-so-ever in analysis of the squad? . When was the last time Navarro actually pulled on a shirt and ran out on the pitch? . Did he even play in 2013? Let alone 2014 - so is he really a miss in being released? . Mason only played 18 of our 55 games last season of which the last was 25 January 2014 - Mass basically played the same amount of games AFTER Mason's last appearance - is he really a miss? . Hall was hated by most fans and they are glad he has gone - so not many will miss him. Plus his last real game for us was 18 January - so like with Mason we played nearly 20 games without him already! . N'Guessan fell out of favour back in Oct or Nov and hardly featured after that - so again is he a real miss? . Belford, Storey and Waldon are only on loan - getting experience - the same way Pritchard and Stephens did with us! Plus all have others ahead of them - you going to drop Wes for Ty????? . We had far far far to big a squad last year with something like 35 on the books so out is always going to be more than in as we address that! . The reason to be optimistic is we have a great core of players who are growing, learning and developing as a group and who play some of the best and exciting football we have seen at the CG for a long time! . If they were not good why is there so much interest in the Crown Jewels of Wes, Nathan, Mass and Louis? . That is what there is to be excited about! . Plus we do not know who will join on loan - Stephans might be back and who knows if we will land another Pritchard????[/p][/quote]Nothing at all to be excited about, that's the trouble with you fans with your heads buried in the sand. We are going backwards not forwards. Play-offs 2 seasons ago- 8th last season=going backwards. 8th last season-Bet we will finish lower this coming season=going backwards again. Whos gonna cover the injuries and suspensions which will happen during the season??. 13 players gone and ZERO so far coming in hasn't got me excited to be honest, more rather worried. Just below half way is my prediction if we are lucky and that is not going forward in my eyes[/p][/quote]yep and times running out eh the nomis only a whole month till the start of the season panic stations oz ashes
  • Score: 0

1:22pm Fri 11 Jul 14

London Red says...

Nomis - I bet you prediction was relegation last season too!
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2 years ago we were L2 - so to be 8th in L1last year to most people is seen as moving forwards!
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Not every side can move "forward" each year as it is physically impossible!!!!!
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2 years ago L1 was the weakest I have seen it in a long time - When Donny win it, Yeovil go up and Bournmouth go up despite being in the bottom for in Novemver and losing 5 on a bounce in Jan/Feb - you know it is a poor poor league

Last year was much stronger with Wolves and Posh dropping down!
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Potential squad - based on current trialists and loans mentioned looks pretty healthy - despite the massive "13 departures" (of which some should not be considered ala Navarro and Oakley who made no appearances)
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20 signed on already with the potential to go up to 25/26 - depending if Waldon goes out on loan or not - so plenty of cover and competition all over the pitch
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GK Fodders
Gk Belford / GK on loan as cover
RB Thompson.N
RB Barthram
LB Byrne
LB Jones
CB Branco
CB Hall
CB De Costa
CB Antonio (Win a Pro)
CB JVL (Trialist)
CB Karbo (Trialist)
CB Stephens (Loan)
CM Luongo
CM Thompson.L
CM Kasim
CM Harley
CM Gladwin
CM Amenku (Trialist)
WG Tijane
WG/CF Williams
WG/CF Campbell (Loan)
CF Smith
CF Barker
CF Waldon
CF Lambin (Trialist)
Nomis - I bet you prediction was relegation last season too! . 2 years ago we were L2 - so to be 8th in L1last year to most people is seen as moving forwards! . Not every side can move "forward" each year as it is physically impossible!!!!! . 2 years ago L1 was the weakest I have seen it in a long time - When Donny win it, Yeovil go up and Bournmouth go up despite being in the bottom for in Novemver and losing 5 on a bounce in Jan/Feb - you know it is a poor poor league Last year was much stronger with Wolves and Posh dropping down! . Potential squad - based on current trialists and loans mentioned looks pretty healthy - despite the massive "13 departures" (of which some should not be considered ala Navarro and Oakley who made no appearances) . 20 signed on already with the potential to go up to 25/26 - depending if Waldon goes out on loan or not - so plenty of cover and competition all over the pitch . GK Fodders Gk Belford / GK on loan as cover RB Thompson.N RB Barthram LB Byrne LB Jones CB Branco CB Hall CB De Costa CB Antonio (Win a Pro) CB JVL (Trialist) CB Karbo (Trialist) CB Stephens (Loan) CM Luongo CM Thompson.L CM Kasim CM Harley CM Gladwin CM Amenku (Trialist) WG Tijane WG/CF Williams WG/CF Campbell (Loan) CF Smith CF Barker CF Waldon CF Lambin (Trialist) London Red
  • Score: -1

1:24pm Fri 11 Jul 14

London Red says...

Lets also not forget Storey can be recalled if required as Pompey have to pay a fee to have a no recall option like Brum have done with Hall
Lets also not forget Storey can be recalled if required as Pompey have to pay a fee to have a no recall option like Brum have done with Hall London Red
  • Score: -1

1:32pm Fri 11 Jul 14

Wilesy says...

London Red wrote:
Wilesy wrote:
OUT - McEveley, Troy, Hall, Belford, Stephens, Pritchard, Storey, Ranger, Mason, N'Guessan, Navarro, plus youngsters Oakley and Waldron

IN - No-one yet

Power - "3 or 4 incoming"
Cooper - "2 or 3 incoming"

13 out out and potentially 2 to 4 in. Can anyone explain how we should be optimistic that next season will be better than last? Hardly surprising season tickets aren't flying out. That's not a doom and gloom comment, just basic maths.
Why do you always uses names of players that have no impact on the first team squad what-so-ever in analysis of the squad?
.
When was the last time Navarro actually pulled on a shirt and ran out on the pitch?
.
Did he even play in 2013? Let alone 2014 - so is he really a miss in being released?
.
Mason only played 18 of our 55 games last season of which the last was 25 January 2014 - Mass basically played the same amount of games AFTER Mason's last appearance - is he really a miss?
.
Hall was hated by most fans and they are glad he has gone - so not many will miss him. Plus his last real game for us was 18 January - so like with Mason we played nearly 20 games without him already!
.
N'Guessan fell out of favour back in Oct or Nov and hardly featured after that - so again is he a real miss?
.
Belford, Storey and Waldon are only on loan - getting experience - the same way Pritchard and Stephens did with us! Plus all have others ahead of them - you going to drop Wes for Ty?????
.
We had far far far to big a squad last year with something like 35 on the books so out is always going to be more than in as we address that!
.
The reason to be optimistic is we have a great core of players who are growing, learning and developing as a group and who play some of the best and exciting football we have seen at the CG for a long time!
.
If they were not good why is there so much interest in the Crown Jewels of Wes, Nathan, Mass and Louis?
.
That is what there is to be excited about!
.
Plus we do not know who will join on loan - Stephans might be back and who knows if we will land another Pritchard????
Just posting concerns about the current numbers of outs an ins, that's all, think that's allowed on a general forum.

Clearly there's debates on the merits of the individual players, their contribution to the season, minutes on pitch etc and of course some were better or more popular or more injury prone than others. Of the ones going, imo it includes the majority of our 'match-winners' as well, so some of the part-time players you mention eg N'Guessan and Mason scored some vital goals which earned us points.

Early days obviously and I don't have a crystal ball to see who's arriving, but it seems each day we are hearing of more actually or potentially going...although today I see we have some more midfielders on trial. Maybe the '2 or 3' comment is a conservative one, as Power has said we need CB's and a striker, so if the various triallists are any good they may be additional so the 2 or 3 which could become 5 or 6 or 7 and a far rosier picture.

From the injuries last season we needed a biggish squad just to cope, we saw a massive lack of depth at times second half of the season. Who says that won't happen again?

Also are you saying we don't need a good back-up keeper? We saw Wes have a very good season with some competition from an improving Belford.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: OUT - McEveley, Troy, Hall, Belford, Stephens, Pritchard, Storey, Ranger, Mason, N'Guessan, Navarro, plus youngsters Oakley and Waldron IN - No-one yet Power - "3 or 4 incoming" Cooper - "2 or 3 incoming" 13 out out and potentially 2 to 4 in. Can anyone explain how we should be optimistic that next season will be better than last? Hardly surprising season tickets aren't flying out. That's not a doom and gloom comment, just basic maths.[/p][/quote]Why do you always uses names of players that have no impact on the first team squad what-so-ever in analysis of the squad? . When was the last time Navarro actually pulled on a shirt and ran out on the pitch? . Did he even play in 2013? Let alone 2014 - so is he really a miss in being released? . Mason only played 18 of our 55 games last season of which the last was 25 January 2014 - Mass basically played the same amount of games AFTER Mason's last appearance - is he really a miss? . Hall was hated by most fans and they are glad he has gone - so not many will miss him. Plus his last real game for us was 18 January - so like with Mason we played nearly 20 games without him already! . N'Guessan fell out of favour back in Oct or Nov and hardly featured after that - so again is he a real miss? . Belford, Storey and Waldon are only on loan - getting experience - the same way Pritchard and Stephens did with us! Plus all have others ahead of them - you going to drop Wes for Ty????? . We had far far far to big a squad last year with something like 35 on the books so out is always going to be more than in as we address that! . The reason to be optimistic is we have a great core of players who are growing, learning and developing as a group and who play some of the best and exciting football we have seen at the CG for a long time! . If they were not good why is there so much interest in the Crown Jewels of Wes, Nathan, Mass and Louis? . That is what there is to be excited about! . Plus we do not know who will join on loan - Stephans might be back and who knows if we will land another Pritchard????[/p][/quote]Just posting concerns about the current numbers of outs an ins, that's all, think that's allowed on a general forum. Clearly there's debates on the merits of the individual players, their contribution to the season, minutes on pitch etc and of course some were better or more popular or more injury prone than others. Of the ones going, imo it includes the majority of our 'match-winners' as well, so some of the part-time players you mention eg N'Guessan and Mason scored some vital goals which earned us points. Early days obviously and I don't have a crystal ball to see who's arriving, but it seems each day we are hearing of more actually or potentially going...although today I see we have some more midfielders on trial. Maybe the '2 or 3' comment is a conservative one, as Power has said we need CB's and a striker, so if the various triallists are any good they may be additional so the 2 or 3 which could become 5 or 6 or 7 and a far rosier picture. From the injuries last season we needed a biggish squad just to cope, we saw a massive lack of depth at times second half of the season. Who says that won't happen again? Also are you saying we don't need a good back-up keeper? We saw Wes have a very good season with some competition from an improving Belford. Wilesy
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1:47pm Fri 11 Jul 14

Wilesy says...

London Red wrote:
Nomis - I bet you prediction was relegation last season too!
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2 years ago we were L2 - so to be 8th in L1last year to most people is seen as moving forwards!
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Not every side can move "forward" each year as it is physically impossible!!!!!
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2 years ago L1 was the weakest I have seen it in a long time - When Donny win it, Yeovil go up and Bournmouth go up despite being in the bottom for in Novemver and losing 5 on a bounce in Jan/Feb - you know it is a poor poor league

Last year was much stronger with Wolves and Posh dropping down!
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Potential squad - based on current trialists and loans mentioned looks pretty healthy - despite the massive "13 departures" (of which some should not be considered ala Navarro and Oakley who made no appearances)
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20 signed on already with the potential to go up to 25/26 - depending if Waldon goes out on loan or not - so plenty of cover and competition all over the pitch
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GK Fodders
Gk Belford / GK on loan as cover
RB Thompson.N
RB Barthram
LB Byrne
LB Jones
CB Branco
CB Hall
CB De Costa
CB Antonio (Win a Pro)
CB JVL (Trialist)
CB Karbo (Trialist)
CB Stephens (Loan)
CM Luongo
CM Thompson.L
CM Kasim
CM Harley
CM Gladwin
CM Amenku (Trialist)
WG Tijane
WG/CF Williams
WG/CF Campbell (Loan)
CF Smith
CF Barker
CF Waldon
CF Lambin (Trialist)
As it stands though, the ACTUAL squad is

GK Fodders - 1st team player
RB Thompson.N - 1st team player
RB Barthram - back-up
LB Byrne - 1st team player
LB Jones - back-up
CB Branco back-up
CB De Costa - back-up
CB Antonio (Win a Pro) - back-up
CB Ward (?) back-up (at end of season)
CM Luongo - 1st team player
CM Thompson.L - 1st team player
CM Kasim - 1st team player
CM Harley - 1st team player
CM Gladwin - back-up although close to 1st team player
WG Tijane - back-up
WG/CF Williams - 1st team player
CF Smith - 1st team player
CF Barker - back-up

So from that line-up we currently have 9 first team players, based on Cooper's teams at the end of the season.

Accept that a comparison to the squad available at 11th July 2013 may be more relevant, as a lot came in after that, but if only 2 or 3 (Coopers words not mine) come in imo yes we look weak! Even if 3 new first teamers come in that leaves us just 12 plus little impact from the bench as other than Gladwin not one of the back-up players is a game changer.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Nomis - I bet you prediction was relegation last season too! . 2 years ago we were L2 - so to be 8th in L1last year to most people is seen as moving forwards! . Not every side can move "forward" each year as it is physically impossible!!!!! . 2 years ago L1 was the weakest I have seen it in a long time - When Donny win it, Yeovil go up and Bournmouth go up despite being in the bottom for in Novemver and losing 5 on a bounce in Jan/Feb - you know it is a poor poor league Last year was much stronger with Wolves and Posh dropping down! . Potential squad - based on current trialists and loans mentioned looks pretty healthy - despite the massive "13 departures" (of which some should not be considered ala Navarro and Oakley who made no appearances) . 20 signed on already with the potential to go up to 25/26 - depending if Waldon goes out on loan or not - so plenty of cover and competition all over the pitch . GK Fodders Gk Belford / GK on loan as cover RB Thompson.N RB Barthram LB Byrne LB Jones CB Branco CB Hall CB De Costa CB Antonio (Win a Pro) CB JVL (Trialist) CB Karbo (Trialist) CB Stephens (Loan) CM Luongo CM Thompson.L CM Kasim CM Harley CM Gladwin CM Amenku (Trialist) WG Tijane WG/CF Williams WG/CF Campbell (Loan) CF Smith CF Barker CF Waldon CF Lambin (Trialist)[/p][/quote]As it stands though, the ACTUAL squad is GK Fodders - 1st team player RB Thompson.N - 1st team player RB Barthram - back-up LB Byrne - 1st team player LB Jones - back-up CB Branco back-up CB De Costa - back-up CB Antonio (Win a Pro) - back-up CB Ward (?) back-up (at end of season) CM Luongo - 1st team player CM Thompson.L - 1st team player CM Kasim - 1st team player CM Harley - 1st team player CM Gladwin - back-up although close to 1st team player WG Tijane - back-up WG/CF Williams - 1st team player CF Smith - 1st team player CF Barker - back-up So from that line-up we currently have 9 first team players, based on Cooper's teams at the end of the season. Accept that a comparison to the squad available at 11th July 2013 may be more relevant, as a lot came in after that, but if only 2 or 3 (Coopers words not mine) come in imo yes we look weak! Even if 3 new first teamers come in that leaves us just 12 plus little impact from the bench as other than Gladwin not one of the back-up players is a game changer. Wilesy
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1:53pm Fri 11 Jul 14

London Red says...

Yeah it is allowed - but it also makes an arguement less meaningful when players like Navarro and Oakley are thrown in who didn't make a single appearance in 2013/14 - players like that will not be missed at all - it fact them going is a benefit as it means less money going out!
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Yes granted Hall, Mason and N'Guessan contributed in the past - but that was basiclly 2013 - we coped all through 2014 so far without them - so again are they really going to be missed in 2014/15?
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Surely the only debate should be about Stephens, Jay, Pritchard and to a certain extent Ranger (even though he didn't play after Valentines day and Smith was signed with the expectations of Ranger leaving in Jan)
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They are the ones who actually contributed for most of the campaign and are the ones which need to be replaced this season
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Williams is a start and now we potentially have JVL, Kargbo, Lambin and Amenku to off-set those losses
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We know Stephens might be coming back and we are also in discussions with Newcastle about Campbell so plenty of action is happening and I bet more is going on away from the media too
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Remember Power always said we will see out happen first as that would dictate what and how many can come in
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Also 2 of the trialist are primarily defenders who can also operate in midfield - in Kargbo and JVL
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Squad is much much bigger than people think it is - I think people think we started from 20 and releasing 13 left us with out a team - yet that is clearly not the case we had 35 last season - we have been doing XI on XI work since day 1 as we have always had plenty of players
Yeah it is allowed - but it also makes an arguement less meaningful when players like Navarro and Oakley are thrown in who didn't make a single appearance in 2013/14 - players like that will not be missed at all - it fact them going is a benefit as it means less money going out! . Yes granted Hall, Mason and N'Guessan contributed in the past - but that was basiclly 2013 - we coped all through 2014 so far without them - so again are they really going to be missed in 2014/15? . Surely the only debate should be about Stephens, Jay, Pritchard and to a certain extent Ranger (even though he didn't play after Valentines day and Smith was signed with the expectations of Ranger leaving in Jan) . They are the ones who actually contributed for most of the campaign and are the ones which need to be replaced this season . Williams is a start and now we potentially have JVL, Kargbo, Lambin and Amenku to off-set those losses . We know Stephens might be coming back and we are also in discussions with Newcastle about Campbell so plenty of action is happening and I bet more is going on away from the media too . Remember Power always said we will see out happen first as that would dictate what and how many can come in . Also 2 of the trialist are primarily defenders who can also operate in midfield - in Kargbo and JVL . Squad is much much bigger than people think it is - I think people think we started from 20 and releasing 13 left us with out a team - yet that is clearly not the case we had 35 last season - we have been doing XI on XI work since day 1 as we have always had plenty of players London Red
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2:00pm Fri 11 Jul 14

London Red says...

Most are "back up" as the first teamers are nailed on starters
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However - some are expected to step up ala Branco, Barthram, Tijane and Gladwin wll be expected to challenge more this season - otherwise they would have followed the like of Smith out the door
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Its basically 9 July no 9 Aug - so why panic! We have the same panic every single season (including both of PdC's campaigns) and yet every year we end up with too many players!!!!!!
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Fodders, Nathan, Byrne, Luongo, Louis, Kasim, Williams and Smith are a great core to build from - that is most of our team - so plenty of time to add the final pieces of the jigsaw
Most are "back up" as the first teamers are nailed on starters . However - some are expected to step up ala Branco, Barthram, Tijane and Gladwin wll be expected to challenge more this season - otherwise they would have followed the like of Smith out the door . Its basically 9 July no 9 Aug - so why panic! We have the same panic every single season (including both of PdC's campaigns) and yet every year we end up with too many players!!!!!! . Fodders, Nathan, Byrne, Luongo, Louis, Kasim, Williams and Smith are a great core to build from - that is most of our team - so plenty of time to add the final pieces of the jigsaw London Red
  • Score: 1

2:44pm Fri 11 Jul 14

Oi Den! says...

The standard rather than the quantity should be the main concern. I'd be chuffed to pieces if we started the season with a good first XI plus a decent reserve keeper and half a dozen outfield players capable of pushing for a place in the team. It's unrealistic to expect good cover for every position. Power's comments seem to indicate he thinks we're stronger than we are, which is slightly worrying.
The standard rather than the quantity should be the main concern. I'd be chuffed to pieces if we started the season with a good first XI plus a decent reserve keeper and half a dozen outfield players capable of pushing for a place in the team. It's unrealistic to expect good cover for every position. Power's comments seem to indicate he thinks we're stronger than we are, which is slightly worrying. Oi Den!
  • Score: 0

3:01pm Fri 11 Jul 14

London Red says...

Or than you think we are! Which is less worrying!
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Lets not forget most fans predicted a season of struggle and relgation and we finished 8th - despite all the hoo-haa going on in the background!
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I Trust Power's knowledge on this as he certainly has found some gems - if he thinks the squad is looking good and can repeat last seasons finish at least - then that is good enough for me
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Obvously proof is in the pudding and we shall see in May 2015 how strong or weak we are!
Or than you think we are! Which is less worrying! . Lets not forget most fans predicted a season of struggle and relgation and we finished 8th - despite all the hoo-haa going on in the background! . I Trust Power's knowledge on this as he certainly has found some gems - if he thinks the squad is looking good and can repeat last seasons finish at least - then that is good enough for me . Obvously proof is in the pudding and we shall see in May 2015 how strong or weak we are! London Red
  • Score: 1

3:22pm Fri 11 Jul 14

Wilesy says...

I will be delighted if we have strengthened by the start of the season and yes we always do. I also trust Powers knowledge so expect to see some good incomings.

Just a bit concerned by this 2 or 3 comment, and the 3 or 4 one before that.

If you take it literally it looks not nearly enough imo, but I would be amazed if it is actually just 2 or 3 with all the rumours and trialists flying around. With all the outgoings I should think we have dropped well below the £1.7m as it stands so there's scope for a few more than '2 or 3'

Also important is that some of the backups progress to 1st teamers. I'm very unconvinced by some of them, but Gladwin, Tijane and Branco have shown they may have what it takes. Hopefully they progress like the Thompsons did, and not like Bodin and Storey....
I will be delighted if we have strengthened by the start of the season and yes we always do. I also trust Powers knowledge so expect to see some good incomings. Just a bit concerned by this 2 or 3 comment, and the 3 or 4 one before that. If you take it literally it looks not nearly enough imo, but I would be amazed if it is actually just 2 or 3 with all the rumours and trialists flying around. With all the outgoings I should think we have dropped well below the £1.7m as it stands so there's scope for a few more than '2 or 3' Also important is that some of the backups progress to 1st teamers. I'm very unconvinced by some of them, but Gladwin, Tijane and Branco have shown they may have what it takes. Hopefully they progress like the Thompsons did, and not like Bodin and Storey.... Wilesy
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3:31pm Fri 11 Jul 14

Oi Den! says...

London Red wrote:
Or than you think we are! Which is less worrying!
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Lets not forget most fans predicted a season of struggle and relgation and we finished 8th - despite all the hoo-haa going on in the background!
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I Trust Power's knowledge on this as he certainly has found some gems - if he thinks the squad is looking good and can repeat last seasons finish at least - then that is good enough for me
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Obvously proof is in the pudding and we shall see in May 2015 how strong or weak we are!
Yes - obviously! We've got plenty of time to strengthen between now and the start of the season. I agree we did very well to finish 8th last season but I think that was largely due to the manager somehow making the whole greater than the sum of the parts - a superb achievement in my view. There's no guarantee he'll be able to pull that off again. I'm not sure about the gems either. Not one of our players was outstanding last season so it's too early to say Power has found gems.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Or than you think we are! Which is less worrying! . Lets not forget most fans predicted a season of struggle and relgation and we finished 8th - despite all the hoo-haa going on in the background! . I Trust Power's knowledge on this as he certainly has found some gems - if he thinks the squad is looking good and can repeat last seasons finish at least - then that is good enough for me . Obvously proof is in the pudding and we shall see in May 2015 how strong or weak we are![/p][/quote]Yes - obviously! We've got plenty of time to strengthen between now and the start of the season. I agree we did very well to finish 8th last season but I think that was largely due to the manager somehow making the whole greater than the sum of the parts - a superb achievement in my view. There's no guarantee he'll be able to pull that off again. I'm not sure about the gems either. Not one of our players was outstanding last season so it's too early to say Power has found gems. Oi Den!
  • Score: 0

4:19pm Fri 11 Jul 14

London Red says...

Yet - we rejected £250k for Kasim from Championship Table Topping QPR during the first window and have interest from Championship sides in Wes, Nathan, Louis and Mass
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Not bad for a team with no Gems in it!
Yet - we rejected £250k for Kasim from Championship Table Topping QPR during the first window and have interest from Championship sides in Wes, Nathan, Louis and Mass . Not bad for a team with no Gems in it! London Red
  • Score: 0

4:57pm Fri 11 Jul 14

Oi Den! says...

London Red wrote:
Yet - we rejected £250k for Kasim from Championship Table Topping QPR during the first window and have interest from Championship sides in Wes, Nathan, Louis and Mass
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Not bad for a team with no Gems in it!
Did I say we had no gems in the team? I said it's too early to say whether Power has found any. Foderingham and the Thompson boys were nothing to do with him. As for the other two, as ever it's about opinions. My view is that so far they've proved to be reasonable players at this level, no more and no less than that. There was no bigger fan of Luongo than me when he joined the club but I think he was very patchy last season. Kasim started the season well but always looked as if he would get left behind in a fast paced game, which proved to be the case later on. For me, the jury's out. I don't base my view of players on other clubs' interest in them. All that matters is what they do for us.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Yet - we rejected £250k for Kasim from Championship Table Topping QPR during the first window and have interest from Championship sides in Wes, Nathan, Louis and Mass . Not bad for a team with no Gems in it![/p][/quote]Did I say we had no gems in the team? I said it's too early to say whether Power has found any. Foderingham and the Thompson boys were nothing to do with him. As for the other two, as ever it's about opinions. My view is that so far they've proved to be reasonable players at this level, no more and no less than that. There was no bigger fan of Luongo than me when he joined the club but I think he was very patchy last season. Kasim started the season well but always looked as if he would get left behind in a fast paced game, which proved to be the case later on. For me, the jury's out. I don't base my view of players on other clubs' interest in them. All that matters is what they do for us. Oi Den!
  • Score: 1
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