EASTLEIGH 2 SWINDON TOWN 0: Full-time report

Swindon Town lost 2-0 at Eastleigh this evening

Swindon Town lost 2-0 at Eastleigh this evening

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SWINDON Town suffered their first defeat of pre-season at the hands of Eastleigh, as Lawson D’Ath’s early goal coupled, with a late header from Craig McAllister, settled matters at the Silverlake Stadium.

Eastleigh dominated much of the first half, taking the lead in the sixth minute with a rifled shot from D’Ath and using their vast Football League experience to good effect.

In Jack Midson, James Constable and Stuart Fleetwood, the hosts had a combative and dynamic forward unit that has been around the block a fair few ttimes. In contrast, Swindon’s young and enthusiastic squad, with the exception of Nathan Thompson, Nathan Byrne, Wes Foderingham and Andy Williams, have just a single season of regular first-team football under their belts.

It told. The visiting Robins, who barely got out of second gear during the opening 45 minutes, struggled to muster a clear-cut opportunity before the interval.

They improved after the break, spurred on by the impressive Will Randall and a determined and creative showing by George Barker, but ultimately they couldn’t find an equaliser, despite hitting the post through Nathan Thompson. And McAllister added gloss to the scoreline for Eastleigh with his powerful header in the final minute.

Plenty, then, for Mark Cooper to ponder ahead of the visit of Southampton on Monday night.

Town found themselves behind to the Conference Premier side within six minutes. Curtis Da Costa was penalised for a scything tackle 25 yards from goal and, when the subsequent free-kick was laid off into the path of D’Ath, the former Yeovil man sent a rasping drive into Wes Foderingham’s bottom right-hand corner.

Eastleigh had barely touched the ball to that point but having taken the lead they immediately took control of proceedings. Swindon barely got a handle of the game for the ensuing 15 minutes as, with the exception of Massimo Luongo and Anton Rodgers, no one seemed able to hold onto possession for any meaningful length of time.

Luongo was the architect of Town’s first two sights of goal, which came within a minute of each other at the midway point of the first half.

First, the Australian cut a tidy corner into the feet of Ben Gladwin inside the penalty area, but the former Marlow man saw his effort cleared off the line. Then, Luongo darted to the byeline and pulled the ball back neatly into the path of Byrne who, unmarked and 10 yards out, contrived to blaze over the crossbar.

Eastleigh still looked dangerous, particularly down the Swindon right where Da Costa, drafted in late in the day in place of Jack Barthram, looked fragile. And it seemed inevitably that the hosts’ next good chance would come from the left flank.

In the 28th minute, Marlon Jackson exchanged passes with Constable and found a gaping hole in the Town defence, from which he had the time and space to curl wide.

Ben Wright was next to come close to doubling Eastleigh’s lead. His dipping free-kick bounced a yard in front of the diving Foderingham, but the Swindon stopper was able to push the ball to safety.

Da Costa was exposed again in the 37th minute, losing track of Jackson, whose cross took two deflections en route to the unmarked Ben Strevens on the edge of the box. Strevens dragged his shot wide by Eastleigh were edging ever closer to adding a second.

Within three minutes of the second half, the home side got in behind Town again. Nathan Thompson was dispossessed by Constable, who found Wright, but the imposing striker thrashed a sloppy effort high and wide.

Wright was again in the thick of the action in the 56th minute. A sloppy Swindon corner led to an Eastleigh counter-attack and the home forward was denied by a superb stop from Foderingham before he sliced the rebound onto the top of the net.

Just after the hour Foderingham was on hand again to spare Town’s blushes, this time reaching low to his right to push Midson’s snap-shot out for a corner.

Swindon had spent most of the second period losing and winning back possession in their own half before they finally got the traveling fans a little excited in the 70th minute. Nathan Thompson and the lively Will Randall exchanged passes in midfield, allowing Thompson to gallop towards goal and unleash a right-footed drive that bounced back of a post.

With 15 minutes left, the Robins found their way through again. This time Barker was the creator, slipping a lovely pass into the path of Connor Waldon, whose low effort was blocked by the legs of Eastleigh keeper Ross Flitney.

While Town fans could take pleasure and hope from the performances of Barker and Randall up front in the last quarter of the game, Swindon’s lack of strength in depth at the back were all too apparent, as Yemi Odubade strolled through three challenges to beat Foderingham in the 83rd minute, only for Lee Marshall to get back and hack off the line.

Neither Swindon player could do anything about McAllister’s nodded finish in the last minute, however, though Foderingham got a good hand on it.

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9:02pm Thu 17 Jul 14

eyesrightskinbacktight says...

Ooops, not the greatest but showing our frailties may encourage the board to spend.
Ooops, not the greatest but showing our frailties may encourage the board to spend. eyesrightskinbacktight
  • Score: -2

9:06pm Thu 17 Jul 14

smirg kcab says...

Don't forget they are only young
Don't forget they are only young smirg kcab
  • Score: -13

9:07pm Thu 17 Jul 14

swindonmatt says...

sounds like we were shocking need a couple of centre backs soon. sort it out cooper.
sounds like we were shocking need a couple of centre backs soon. sort it out cooper. swindonmatt
  • Score: -6

9:19pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Swindon1984 says...

Can say from first hand experience that was a really poor showing tonight. Plus points - great weather, stewards allowing me to smoke in the ground (apparently if there's no roof it's ok, who knew...), the prefab building like a village hall which served as bar, club shop and toilets combined (made the county ground look like the Nou Camp!) and tickets for admission literally torn out of a raffle book. Makes me feel lucky to be a town fan ;-) All joking aside it's only a friendly but still, not many positives to take from that one. Lots of work to be done.
Can say from first hand experience that was a really poor showing tonight. Plus points - great weather, stewards allowing me to smoke in the ground (apparently if there's no roof it's ok, who knew...), the prefab building like a village hall which served as bar, club shop and toilets combined (made the county ground look like the Nou Camp!) and tickets for admission literally torn out of a raffle book. Makes me feel lucky to be a town fan ;-) All joking aside it's only a friendly but still, not many positives to take from that one. Lots of work to be done. Swindon1984
  • Score: 6

9:28pm Thu 17 Jul 14

dazzastfc says...

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  • Score: -5

9:35pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Moonraker1983 says...

I don't think Sam's report really does justice to how bad Town were. They could play to midnight and still not score. The first half looked like a group of blokes who'd met in the car park before the game for the first time.

The first half was awful, without even registering a shot on target. It felt like the bad old days, where Swindon would get the ball up to the two strikers, both playing with their backs to goal, and slowly but surely the ball would be passed back to Wes.

Town were playing some 3-5-2/5-3-2 formation, and yet the fullbacks were supposed to offer width and a wide threat usually stopped with the ball, and either cut inside or passed inside. Eastleigh played a traditional 4-4-2 and looked dangerous. The main difference was the speed in which Eastleigh got the ball forwards,not lumping it, but passing the ball swiftly before Town could settle. In contrast, Swindon took so long to move the ball, Eastleigh could settle their two ranks and wait for town too pass backwards.

The second half showed more promise, but there was still far to much tippy tappy passing in the midfield, whilst the fullbacks stood out on the wings almost ignored.

Playing 3 centre backs, but only having one on the pitch was an interesting choice, hopefully another one will be brought in soon, but more importantly a striker to play off the shoulder of the big guy. A striker who can kick the ball cleanly, because that was sorely missed today.

Hopefully the players will get a rest over the weekend, because they looked tired and leggy. Otherwise Southampton might be a very brutal encounter.
I don't think Sam's report really does justice to how bad Town were. They could play to midnight and still not score. The first half looked like a group of blokes who'd met in the car park before the game for the first time. The first half was awful, without even registering a shot on target. It felt like the bad old days, where Swindon would get the ball up to the two strikers, both playing with their backs to goal, and slowly but surely the ball would be passed back to Wes. Town were playing some 3-5-2/5-3-2 formation, and yet the fullbacks were supposed to offer width and a wide threat usually stopped with the ball, and either cut inside or passed inside. Eastleigh played a traditional 4-4-2 and looked dangerous. The main difference was the speed in which Eastleigh got the ball forwards,not lumping it, but passing the ball swiftly before Town could settle. In contrast, Swindon took so long to move the ball, Eastleigh could settle their two ranks and wait for town too pass backwards. The second half showed more promise, but there was still far to much tippy tappy passing in the midfield, whilst the fullbacks stood out on the wings almost ignored. Playing 3 centre backs, but only having one on the pitch was an interesting choice, hopefully another one will be brought in soon, but more importantly a striker to play off the shoulder of the big guy. A striker who can kick the ball cleanly, because that was sorely missed today. Hopefully the players will get a rest over the weekend, because they looked tired and leggy. Otherwise Southampton might be a very brutal encounter. Moonraker1983
  • Score: 9

9:40pm Thu 17 Jul 14

TelSTFC says...

Not a good performance at all glad I only live 10 miles away and had a short journey back.

Bad at the back and lacking up front Eastleigh made us look non league and should have won 4 1.
Hope we sign on a few players other wise Saints will thrash us at the county ground.
Only a friendly but like 1984 says lots of work to be done
Not a good performance at all glad I only live 10 miles away and had a short journey back. Bad at the back and lacking up front Eastleigh made us look non league and should have won 4 1. Hope we sign on a few players other wise Saints will thrash us at the county ground. Only a friendly but like 1984 says lots of work to be done TelSTFC
  • Score: 4

9:51pm Thu 17 Jul 14

NORTH STAND says...

Oh dear..... What will London Red find to clap about tomorrow? Still - at least we are sustainable
Oh dear..... What will London Red find to clap about tomorrow? Still - at least we are sustainable NORTH STAND
  • Score: -12

9:56pm Thu 17 Jul 14

old town robin says...

eyesrightskinbacktig
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wrote:
Ooops, not the greatest but showing our frailties may encourage the board to spend.
Agree, not a bad game to lose if Cooper gets to see the frailties, better he will learn more from this than other games we have managed to win, which actually means jack scheite other than we were better on the day against inferior opposition.
[quote][p][bold]eyesrightskinbacktig ht[/bold] wrote: Ooops, not the greatest but showing our frailties may encourage the board to spend.[/p][/quote]Agree, not a bad game to lose if Cooper gets to see the frailties, better he will learn more from this than other games we have managed to win, which actually means jack scheite other than we were better on the day against inferior opposition. old town robin
  • Score: 5

10:11pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Oi Den! says...

We all know what the weaknesses are. A defeat in a friendly against Eastleigh doesn't make them any worse, any more than a win against Southampton or Leeds would make them any better. As long as the players we have are getting fitter, these games are serving their purpose. I'm sure Cooper is working on the weaknesses.
We all know what the weaknesses are. A defeat in a friendly against Eastleigh doesn't make them any worse, any more than a win against Southampton or Leeds would make them any better. As long as the players we have are getting fitter, these games are serving their purpose. I'm sure Cooper is working on the weaknesses. Oi Den!
  • Score: 7

10:14pm Thu 17 Jul 14

STFC Boyo says...

So what the hell happen.We went from having 2 good games 2 1 loads of rubbish games.
So what the hell happen.We went from having 2 good games 2 1 loads of rubbish games. STFC Boyo
  • Score: -7

10:14pm Thu 17 Jul 14

highland robin says...

Anyone who went to FGR last year will know these games mean nothing...that game was followed by Spurs which told us a very different story
Anyone who went to FGR last year will know these games mean nothing...that game was followed by Spurs which told us a very different story highland robin
  • Score: 13

12:37am Fri 18 Jul 14

MoonrakerinHampshire says...

Moonraker1983 wrote:
I don't think Sam's report really does justice to how bad Town were. They could play to midnight and still not score. The first half looked like a group of blokes who'd met in the car park before the game for the first time.

The first half was awful, without even registering a shot on target. It felt like the bad old days, where Swindon would get the ball up to the two strikers, both playing with their backs to goal, and slowly but surely the ball would be passed back to Wes.

Town were playing some 3-5-2/5-3-2 formation, and yet the fullbacks were supposed to offer width and a wide threat usually stopped with the ball, and either cut inside or passed inside. Eastleigh played a traditional 4-4-2 and looked dangerous. The main difference was the speed in which Eastleigh got the ball forwards,not lumping it, but passing the ball swiftly before Town could settle. In contrast, Swindon took so long to move the ball, Eastleigh could settle their two ranks and wait for town too pass backwards.

The second half showed more promise, but there was still far to much tippy tappy passing in the midfield, whilst the fullbacks stood out on the wings almost ignored.

Playing 3 centre backs, but only having one on the pitch was an interesting choice, hopefully another one will be brought in soon, but more importantly a striker to play off the shoulder of the big guy. A striker who can kick the ball cleanly, because that was sorely missed today.

Hopefully the players will get a rest over the weekend, because they looked tired and leggy. Otherwise Southampton might be a very brutal encounter.
Moonraker1983 has surely got it right. Like TelSTFC I live only a few miles away and If I were Southampton I would change the fixture to Eastleigh who would pose a greater challenge. I was stood within earshot of Cooper and after half an hour I felt like shouting - Why don't you get the second team off and the first team on" Actually It was the first team playing in the first half with the exception of D'Costa who can't defend and newboy Rogers who passed back to the defender who passed to him again and again and again. So much so other team members started to do it and Eastleigh got wise to it.
Swindon didn't improve until Waldon, Barker and Randall came on and interplay improved. This inpart was due to Luongo moving to central midfield and Bryne moving to his right, with Nathan Thompson joining in from Defence. However, even then it was too little, too lightweight and too late.
Moreover when you have too young central defenders who can't deal with a high ball and let it bounce, their build is insufficient to be a match for burly centre forwards, the outcome is inevitable and so it proved.
For a league 1 side it was woeful. I don't think this being a friendly match comes into it. We just didn't know how to break Eastleigh down. Our Central pairing in the first half Gladwin and Branco played too far apart and it was Eastleigh who looked a much better bet for League 1. If they are typical of the Conference it must be a very good league. Am i travelling to the County Ground on Monday? Yes, Do I foresee an improvement? No. I can't see where that will come from
[quote][p][bold]Moonraker1983[/bold] wrote: I don't think Sam's report really does justice to how bad Town were. They could play to midnight and still not score. The first half looked like a group of blokes who'd met in the car park before the game for the first time. The first half was awful, without even registering a shot on target. It felt like the bad old days, where Swindon would get the ball up to the two strikers, both playing with their backs to goal, and slowly but surely the ball would be passed back to Wes. Town were playing some 3-5-2/5-3-2 formation, and yet the fullbacks were supposed to offer width and a wide threat usually stopped with the ball, and either cut inside or passed inside. Eastleigh played a traditional 4-4-2 and looked dangerous. The main difference was the speed in which Eastleigh got the ball forwards,not lumping it, but passing the ball swiftly before Town could settle. In contrast, Swindon took so long to move the ball, Eastleigh could settle their two ranks and wait for town too pass backwards. The second half showed more promise, but there was still far to much tippy tappy passing in the midfield, whilst the fullbacks stood out on the wings almost ignored. Playing 3 centre backs, but only having one on the pitch was an interesting choice, hopefully another one will be brought in soon, but more importantly a striker to play off the shoulder of the big guy. A striker who can kick the ball cleanly, because that was sorely missed today. Hopefully the players will get a rest over the weekend, because they looked tired and leggy. Otherwise Southampton might be a very brutal encounter.[/p][/quote]Moonraker1983 has surely got it right. Like TelSTFC I live only a few miles away and If I were Southampton I would change the fixture to Eastleigh who would pose a greater challenge. I was stood within earshot of Cooper and after half an hour I felt like shouting - Why don't you get the second team off and the first team on" Actually It was the first team playing in the first half with the exception of D'Costa who can't defend and newboy Rogers who passed back to the defender who passed to him again and again and again. So much so other team members started to do it and Eastleigh got wise to it. Swindon didn't improve until Waldon, Barker and Randall came on and interplay improved. This inpart was due to Luongo moving to central midfield and Bryne moving to his right, with Nathan Thompson joining in from Defence. However, even then it was too little, too lightweight and too late. Moreover when you have too young central defenders who can't deal with a high ball and let it bounce, their build is insufficient to be a match for burly centre forwards, the outcome is inevitable and so it proved. For a league 1 side it was woeful. I don't think this being a friendly match comes into it. We just didn't know how to break Eastleigh down. Our Central pairing in the first half Gladwin and Branco played too far apart and it was Eastleigh who looked a much better bet for League 1. If they are typical of the Conference it must be a very good league. Am i travelling to the County Ground on Monday? Yes, Do I foresee an improvement? No. I can't see where that will come from MoonrakerinHampshire
  • Score: 3

4:17am Fri 18 Jul 14

Swindon1984 says...

Moonraker1983 wrote:
I don't think Sam's report really does justice to how bad Town were. They could play to midnight and still not score. The first half looked like a group of blokes who'd met in the car park before the game for the first time.

The first half was awful, without even registering a shot on target. It felt like the bad old days, where Swindon would get the ball up to the two strikers, both playing with their backs to goal, and slowly but surely the ball would be passed back to Wes.

Town were playing some 3-5-2/5-3-2 formation, and yet the fullbacks were supposed to offer width and a wide threat usually stopped with the ball, and either cut inside or passed inside. Eastleigh played a traditional 4-4-2 and looked dangerous. The main difference was the speed in which Eastleigh got the ball forwards,not lumping it, but passing the ball swiftly before Town could settle. In contrast, Swindon took so long to move the ball, Eastleigh could settle their two ranks and wait for town too pass backwards.

The second half showed more promise, but there was still far to much tippy tappy passing in the midfield, whilst the fullbacks stood out on the wings almost ignored.

Playing 3 centre backs, but only having one on the pitch was an interesting choice, hopefully another one will be brought in soon, but more importantly a striker to play off the shoulder of the big guy. A striker who can kick the ball cleanly, because that was sorely missed today.

Hopefully the players will get a rest over the weekend, because they looked tired and leggy. Otherwise Southampton might be a very brutal encounter.
Totally agree, and would have put together a proper account of the game myself if I wasn't so tired and annoyed! First half was atrocious, second not much better. Played very tight (not a big pitch but no excuse really) Eastleigh pressed and moved forward and back as a team, we were largely static. Defence not even the most worrying thing for me, but a total lack of cohesion in the side as a whole - no movement, sloppy passing, backs to goal, we made it easy for them.

Not to worry, sure over the next few weeks Marky C will work some magic - got to believe anyway.
[quote][p][bold]Moonraker1983[/bold] wrote: I don't think Sam's report really does justice to how bad Town were. They could play to midnight and still not score. The first half looked like a group of blokes who'd met in the car park before the game for the first time. The first half was awful, without even registering a shot on target. It felt like the bad old days, where Swindon would get the ball up to the two strikers, both playing with their backs to goal, and slowly but surely the ball would be passed back to Wes. Town were playing some 3-5-2/5-3-2 formation, and yet the fullbacks were supposed to offer width and a wide threat usually stopped with the ball, and either cut inside or passed inside. Eastleigh played a traditional 4-4-2 and looked dangerous. The main difference was the speed in which Eastleigh got the ball forwards,not lumping it, but passing the ball swiftly before Town could settle. In contrast, Swindon took so long to move the ball, Eastleigh could settle their two ranks and wait for town too pass backwards. The second half showed more promise, but there was still far to much tippy tappy passing in the midfield, whilst the fullbacks stood out on the wings almost ignored. Playing 3 centre backs, but only having one on the pitch was an interesting choice, hopefully another one will be brought in soon, but more importantly a striker to play off the shoulder of the big guy. A striker who can kick the ball cleanly, because that was sorely missed today. Hopefully the players will get a rest over the weekend, because they looked tired and leggy. Otherwise Southampton might be a very brutal encounter.[/p][/quote]Totally agree, and would have put together a proper account of the game myself if I wasn't so tired and annoyed! First half was atrocious, second not much better. Played very tight (not a big pitch but no excuse really) Eastleigh pressed and moved forward and back as a team, we were largely static. Defence not even the most worrying thing for me, but a total lack of cohesion in the side as a whole - no movement, sloppy passing, backs to goal, we made it easy for them. Not to worry, sure over the next few weeks Marky C will work some magic - got to believe anyway. Swindon1984
  • Score: 1

4:31am Fri 18 Jul 14

Fernham Red says...

An excellent write up of events and great feedback from 1983 & 1984 - almost feels as though I was there. I know MC said before the match he would be sending the team in tired from training to see how they coped. He was clearly hoping for a different result and perhaps performance. We always learn most from failure so I suspect MC will have learnt a lot about some of his players after this performance. Central defence is clearly the priority as we all know and the sooner our new faces are in the sooner they will gel with the rest of the squad. I was disappointed that Smith and Williams hardly registered a comment from anyone - were they anonymous or simply didn't play? As our strike pairing for the new season, we all want them to start firing on all cylinders. Da Costa obviously had a baptism of fire but glad to see he got match time and an opportunity to gain vital experience. Randall is continuing to get good reviews so perhaps he can edge into first team contention this season.
We've a little way to go in pre-season yet - so am looking forward to getting in our full compliment of playing staff before passing too much judgement on our prospects though clearly CB is the gaping hole right now.
An excellent write up of events and great feedback from 1983 & 1984 - almost feels as though I was there. I know MC said before the match he would be sending the team in tired from training to see how they coped. He was clearly hoping for a different result and perhaps performance. We always learn most from failure so I suspect MC will have learnt a lot about some of his players after this performance. Central defence is clearly the priority as we all know and the sooner our new faces are in the sooner they will gel with the rest of the squad. I was disappointed that Smith and Williams hardly registered a comment from anyone - were they anonymous or simply didn't play? As our strike pairing for the new season, we all want them to start firing on all cylinders. Da Costa obviously had a baptism of fire but glad to see he got match time and an opportunity to gain vital experience. Randall is continuing to get good reviews so perhaps he can edge into first team contention this season. We've a little way to go in pre-season yet - so am looking forward to getting in our full compliment of playing staff before passing too much judgement on our prospects though clearly CB is the gaping hole right now. Fernham Red
  • Score: 4

6:18am Fri 18 Jul 14

Swindon1984 says...

Fernham Red wrote:
An excellent write up of events and great feedback from 1983 & 1984 - almost feels as though I was there. I know MC said before the match he would be sending the team in tired from training to see how they coped. He was clearly hoping for a different result and perhaps performance. We always learn most from failure so I suspect MC will have learnt a lot about some of his players after this performance. Central defence is clearly the priority as we all know and the sooner our new faces are in the sooner they will gel with the rest of the squad. I was disappointed that Smith and Williams hardly registered a comment from anyone - were they anonymous or simply didn't play? As our strike pairing for the new season, we all want them to start firing on all cylinders. Da Costa obviously had a baptism of fire but glad to see he got match time and an opportunity to gain vital experience. Randall is continuing to get good reviews so perhaps he can edge into first team contention this season.
We've a little way to go in pre-season yet - so am looking forward to getting in our full compliment of playing staff before passing too much judgement on our prospects though clearly CB is the gaping hole right now.
Smith more noticeable for me, caught offside once or twice, couple of efforts blazed over from distance though looked a bit better second half. Williams largely anonymous from where I was stood.
[quote][p][bold]Fernham Red[/bold] wrote: An excellent write up of events and great feedback from 1983 & 1984 - almost feels as though I was there. I know MC said before the match he would be sending the team in tired from training to see how they coped. He was clearly hoping for a different result and perhaps performance. We always learn most from failure so I suspect MC will have learnt a lot about some of his players after this performance. Central defence is clearly the priority as we all know and the sooner our new faces are in the sooner they will gel with the rest of the squad. I was disappointed that Smith and Williams hardly registered a comment from anyone - were they anonymous or simply didn't play? As our strike pairing for the new season, we all want them to start firing on all cylinders. Da Costa obviously had a baptism of fire but glad to see he got match time and an opportunity to gain vital experience. Randall is continuing to get good reviews so perhaps he can edge into first team contention this season. We've a little way to go in pre-season yet - so am looking forward to getting in our full compliment of playing staff before passing too much judgement on our prospects though clearly CB is the gaping hole right now.[/p][/quote]Smith more noticeable for me, caught offside once or twice, couple of efforts blazed over from distance though looked a bit better second half. Williams largely anonymous from where I was stood. Swindon1984
  • Score: 1

6:25am Fri 18 Jul 14

Swindon1984 says...

MoonrakerinHampshire wrote:
Moonraker1983 wrote:
I don't think Sam's report really does justice to how bad Town were. They could play to midnight and still not score. The first half looked like a group of blokes who'd met in the car park before the game for the first time.

The first half was awful, without even registering a shot on target. It felt like the bad old days, where Swindon would get the ball up to the two strikers, both playing with their backs to goal, and slowly but surely the ball would be passed back to Wes.

Town were playing some 3-5-2/5-3-2 formation, and yet the fullbacks were supposed to offer width and a wide threat usually stopped with the ball, and either cut inside or passed inside. Eastleigh played a traditional 4-4-2 and looked dangerous. The main difference was the speed in which Eastleigh got the ball forwards,not lumping it, but passing the ball swiftly before Town could settle. In contrast, Swindon took so long to move the ball, Eastleigh could settle their two ranks and wait for town too pass backwards.

The second half showed more promise, but there was still far to much tippy tappy passing in the midfield, whilst the fullbacks stood out on the wings almost ignored.

Playing 3 centre backs, but only having one on the pitch was an interesting choice, hopefully another one will be brought in soon, but more importantly a striker to play off the shoulder of the big guy. A striker who can kick the ball cleanly, because that was sorely missed today.

Hopefully the players will get a rest over the weekend, because they looked tired and leggy. Otherwise Southampton might be a very brutal encounter.
Moonraker1983 has surely got it right. Like TelSTFC I live only a few miles away and If I were Southampton I would change the fixture to Eastleigh who would pose a greater challenge. I was stood within earshot of Cooper and after half an hour I felt like shouting - Why don't you get the second team off and the first team on" Actually It was the first team playing in the first half with the exception of D'Costa who can't defend and newboy Rogers who passed back to the defender who passed to him again and again and again. So much so other team members started to do it and Eastleigh got wise to it.
Swindon didn't improve until Waldon, Barker and Randall came on and interplay improved. This inpart was due to Luongo moving to central midfield and Bryne moving to his right, with Nathan Thompson joining in from Defence. However, even then it was too little, too lightweight and too late.
Moreover when you have too young central defenders who can't deal with a high ball and let it bounce, their build is insufficient to be a match for burly centre forwards, the outcome is inevitable and so it proved.
For a league 1 side it was woeful. I don't think this being a friendly match comes into it. We just didn't know how to break Eastleigh down. Our Central pairing in the first half Gladwin and Branco played too far apart and it was Eastleigh who looked a much better bet for League 1. If they are typical of the Conference it must be a very good league. Am i travelling to the County Ground on Monday? Yes, Do I foresee an improvement? No. I can't see where that will come from
Wouldn't despair too much, it was bad I agree but maybe not the best indication of what we'll look like playing in our own pitch with (you'd hope) a more rested side, with a better idea of who should be in the first team.

I have to tell myself the performance last night was meaningless or I'd be very depressed today, but genuinely don't think you can read too much into these games. I'd be no more or less confident about the competitive season ahead if we'd won all our friendlies really. They are basically training exercises after all. And let's not forget Eastleigh were playing a full strength side who've played competitive football together all last season, won promotion and have bags of confidence. We're still a work in progress. Until Scunny first game of the season not going to fret about it.
[quote][p][bold]MoonrakerinHampshire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Moonraker1983[/bold] wrote: I don't think Sam's report really does justice to how bad Town were. They could play to midnight and still not score. The first half looked like a group of blokes who'd met in the car park before the game for the first time. The first half was awful, without even registering a shot on target. It felt like the bad old days, where Swindon would get the ball up to the two strikers, both playing with their backs to goal, and slowly but surely the ball would be passed back to Wes. Town were playing some 3-5-2/5-3-2 formation, and yet the fullbacks were supposed to offer width and a wide threat usually stopped with the ball, and either cut inside or passed inside. Eastleigh played a traditional 4-4-2 and looked dangerous. The main difference was the speed in which Eastleigh got the ball forwards,not lumping it, but passing the ball swiftly before Town could settle. In contrast, Swindon took so long to move the ball, Eastleigh could settle their two ranks and wait for town too pass backwards. The second half showed more promise, but there was still far to much tippy tappy passing in the midfield, whilst the fullbacks stood out on the wings almost ignored. Playing 3 centre backs, but only having one on the pitch was an interesting choice, hopefully another one will be brought in soon, but more importantly a striker to play off the shoulder of the big guy. A striker who can kick the ball cleanly, because that was sorely missed today. Hopefully the players will get a rest over the weekend, because they looked tired and leggy. Otherwise Southampton might be a very brutal encounter.[/p][/quote]Moonraker1983 has surely got it right. Like TelSTFC I live only a few miles away and If I were Southampton I would change the fixture to Eastleigh who would pose a greater challenge. I was stood within earshot of Cooper and after half an hour I felt like shouting - Why don't you get the second team off and the first team on" Actually It was the first team playing in the first half with the exception of D'Costa who can't defend and newboy Rogers who passed back to the defender who passed to him again and again and again. So much so other team members started to do it and Eastleigh got wise to it. Swindon didn't improve until Waldon, Barker and Randall came on and interplay improved. This inpart was due to Luongo moving to central midfield and Bryne moving to his right, with Nathan Thompson joining in from Defence. However, even then it was too little, too lightweight and too late. Moreover when you have too young central defenders who can't deal with a high ball and let it bounce, their build is insufficient to be a match for burly centre forwards, the outcome is inevitable and so it proved. For a league 1 side it was woeful. I don't think this being a friendly match comes into it. We just didn't know how to break Eastleigh down. Our Central pairing in the first half Gladwin and Branco played too far apart and it was Eastleigh who looked a much better bet for League 1. If they are typical of the Conference it must be a very good league. Am i travelling to the County Ground on Monday? Yes, Do I foresee an improvement? No. I can't see where that will come from[/p][/quote]Wouldn't despair too much, it was bad I agree but maybe not the best indication of what we'll look like playing in our own pitch with (you'd hope) a more rested side, with a better idea of who should be in the first team. I have to tell myself the performance last night was meaningless or I'd be very depressed today, but genuinely don't think you can read too much into these games. I'd be no more or less confident about the competitive season ahead if we'd won all our friendlies really. They are basically training exercises after all. And let's not forget Eastleigh were playing a full strength side who've played competitive football together all last season, won promotion and have bags of confidence. We're still a work in progress. Until Scunny first game of the season not going to fret about it. Swindon1984
  • Score: 2

6:38am Fri 18 Jul 14

port de soller says...

Good work out,at end of the day it´s 11 against11.Makes you think Midson and constable may still have something to offer.Yet it was a one off game end of.
LP and MC are aware of what is needed,basically its a case of seeing what STFC can afford.The last thing we need is high earners/sick notes etc.We seem to in the Past had our fair share of those.
So good luck to the Town and hope they can attract the right calibre of players that will fit within the clubs budget
Good work out,at end of the day it´s 11 against11.Makes you think Midson and constable may still have something to offer.Yet it was a one off game end of. LP and MC are aware of what is needed,basically its a case of seeing what STFC can afford.The last thing we need is high earners/sick notes etc.We seem to in the Past had our fair share of those. So good luck to the Town and hope they can attract the right calibre of players that will fit within the clubs budget port de soller
  • Score: -1

7:01am Fri 18 Jul 14

London Red says...

NORTH STAND wrote:
Oh dear..... What will London Red find to clap about tomorrow? Still - at least we are sustainable
Yes lets all run and slit our wrists - we lost a MEANINGLESS friendly!
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Lets just ignore it was our 4th game in under a week and at the end of an intense boot camp
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Friendlies mean nothing - remember we best Forest prior to our worst season ever!
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It's clear what we need, Cooper states it in the other article, plus they have always said they won't arrive until late July
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I'm not going to judge the side post Scunny but until Oct/Nov - so slitting your wrist after a friendly is ridiculous
[quote][p][bold]NORTH STAND[/bold] wrote: Oh dear..... What will London Red find to clap about tomorrow? Still - at least we are sustainable[/p][/quote]Yes lets all run and slit our wrists - we lost a MEANINGLESS friendly! . Lets just ignore it was our 4th game in under a week and at the end of an intense boot camp . Friendlies mean nothing - remember we best Forest prior to our worst season ever! . It's clear what we need, Cooper states it in the other article, plus they have always said they won't arrive until late July . I'm not going to judge the side post Scunny but until Oct/Nov - so slitting your wrist after a friendly is ridiculous London Red
  • Score: 5

7:01am Fri 18 Jul 14

dazzastfc says...

NORTH STAND wrote:
Oh dear..... What will London Red find to clap about tomorrow? Still - at least we are sustainable
There will still be plenty of IF and BUT DONT WORRY ABOUT IT
[quote][p][bold]NORTH STAND[/bold] wrote: Oh dear..... What will London Red find to clap about tomorrow? Still - at least we are sustainable[/p][/quote]There will still be plenty of IF and BUT DONT WORRY ABOUT IT dazzastfc
  • Score: -8

7:12am Fri 18 Jul 14

Oi Den! says...

Swindon1984 wrote:
MoonrakerinHampshire wrote:
Moonraker1983 wrote:
I don't think Sam's report really does justice to how bad Town were. They could play to midnight and still not score. The first half looked like a group of blokes who'd met in the car park before the game for the first time.

The first half was awful, without even registering a shot on target. It felt like the bad old days, where Swindon would get the ball up to the two strikers, both playing with their backs to goal, and slowly but surely the ball would be passed back to Wes.

Town were playing some 3-5-2/5-3-2 formation, and yet the fullbacks were supposed to offer width and a wide threat usually stopped with the ball, and either cut inside or passed inside. Eastleigh played a traditional 4-4-2 and looked dangerous. The main difference was the speed in which Eastleigh got the ball forwards,not lumping it, but passing the ball swiftly before Town could settle. In contrast, Swindon took so long to move the ball, Eastleigh could settle their two ranks and wait for town too pass backwards.

The second half showed more promise, but there was still far to much tippy tappy passing in the midfield, whilst the fullbacks stood out on the wings almost ignored.

Playing 3 centre backs, but only having one on the pitch was an interesting choice, hopefully another one will be brought in soon, but more importantly a striker to play off the shoulder of the big guy. A striker who can kick the ball cleanly, because that was sorely missed today.

Hopefully the players will get a rest over the weekend, because they looked tired and leggy. Otherwise Southampton might be a very brutal encounter.
Moonraker1983 has surely got it right. Like TelSTFC I live only a few miles away and If I were Southampton I would change the fixture to Eastleigh who would pose a greater challenge. I was stood within earshot of Cooper and after half an hour I felt like shouting - Why don't you get the second team off and the first team on" Actually It was the first team playing in the first half with the exception of D'Costa who can't defend and newboy Rogers who passed back to the defender who passed to him again and again and again. So much so other team members started to do it and Eastleigh got wise to it.
Swindon didn't improve until Waldon, Barker and Randall came on and interplay improved. This inpart was due to Luongo moving to central midfield and Bryne moving to his right, with Nathan Thompson joining in from Defence. However, even then it was too little, too lightweight and too late.
Moreover when you have too young central defenders who can't deal with a high ball and let it bounce, their build is insufficient to be a match for burly centre forwards, the outcome is inevitable and so it proved.
For a league 1 side it was woeful. I don't think this being a friendly match comes into it. We just didn't know how to break Eastleigh down. Our Central pairing in the first half Gladwin and Branco played too far apart and it was Eastleigh who looked a much better bet for League 1. If they are typical of the Conference it must be a very good league. Am i travelling to the County Ground on Monday? Yes, Do I foresee an improvement? No. I can't see where that will come from
Wouldn't despair too much, it was bad I agree but maybe not the best indication of what we'll look like playing in our own pitch with (you'd hope) a more rested side, with a better idea of who should be in the first team.

I have to tell myself the performance last night was meaningless or I'd be very depressed today, but genuinely don't think you can read too much into these games. I'd be no more or less confident about the competitive season ahead if we'd won all our friendlies really. They are basically training exercises after all. And let's not forget Eastleigh were playing a full strength side who've played competitive football together all last season, won promotion and have bags of confidence. We're still a work in progress. Until Scunny first game of the season not going to fret about it.
'84, I feel exactly the same way as you about friendlies. The thing that concerns me though is that we are still a work-in-progress, which I don't dispute by the way. Will we still be a work-in-progress next year? And the year after that? Nearly all successful teams achieve their goals with continuity. Last season we were told we were building a platform for a successful 2014/15 but we seem weaker now than we were a few months ago. Our best chance of success is building a team that largely stays together for 2 or 3 seasons, with the occasional careful addition. The revolving door needs a little less use. I hope our youth prospects come through and shine, meaning that the manager has to rely less on the beg, steal or borrow approach.
[quote][p][bold]Swindon1984[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MoonrakerinHampshire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Moonraker1983[/bold] wrote: I don't think Sam's report really does justice to how bad Town were. They could play to midnight and still not score. The first half looked like a group of blokes who'd met in the car park before the game for the first time. The first half was awful, without even registering a shot on target. It felt like the bad old days, where Swindon would get the ball up to the two strikers, both playing with their backs to goal, and slowly but surely the ball would be passed back to Wes. Town were playing some 3-5-2/5-3-2 formation, and yet the fullbacks were supposed to offer width and a wide threat usually stopped with the ball, and either cut inside or passed inside. Eastleigh played a traditional 4-4-2 and looked dangerous. The main difference was the speed in which Eastleigh got the ball forwards,not lumping it, but passing the ball swiftly before Town could settle. In contrast, Swindon took so long to move the ball, Eastleigh could settle their two ranks and wait for town too pass backwards. The second half showed more promise, but there was still far to much tippy tappy passing in the midfield, whilst the fullbacks stood out on the wings almost ignored. Playing 3 centre backs, but only having one on the pitch was an interesting choice, hopefully another one will be brought in soon, but more importantly a striker to play off the shoulder of the big guy. A striker who can kick the ball cleanly, because that was sorely missed today. Hopefully the players will get a rest over the weekend, because they looked tired and leggy. Otherwise Southampton might be a very brutal encounter.[/p][/quote]Moonraker1983 has surely got it right. Like TelSTFC I live only a few miles away and If I were Southampton I would change the fixture to Eastleigh who would pose a greater challenge. I was stood within earshot of Cooper and after half an hour I felt like shouting - Why don't you get the second team off and the first team on" Actually It was the first team playing in the first half with the exception of D'Costa who can't defend and newboy Rogers who passed back to the defender who passed to him again and again and again. So much so other team members started to do it and Eastleigh got wise to it. Swindon didn't improve until Waldon, Barker and Randall came on and interplay improved. This inpart was due to Luongo moving to central midfield and Bryne moving to his right, with Nathan Thompson joining in from Defence. However, even then it was too little, too lightweight and too late. Moreover when you have too young central defenders who can't deal with a high ball and let it bounce, their build is insufficient to be a match for burly centre forwards, the outcome is inevitable and so it proved. For a league 1 side it was woeful. I don't think this being a friendly match comes into it. We just didn't know how to break Eastleigh down. Our Central pairing in the first half Gladwin and Branco played too far apart and it was Eastleigh who looked a much better bet for League 1. If they are typical of the Conference it must be a very good league. Am i travelling to the County Ground on Monday? Yes, Do I foresee an improvement? No. I can't see where that will come from[/p][/quote]Wouldn't despair too much, it was bad I agree but maybe not the best indication of what we'll look like playing in our own pitch with (you'd hope) a more rested side, with a better idea of who should be in the first team. I have to tell myself the performance last night was meaningless or I'd be very depressed today, but genuinely don't think you can read too much into these games. I'd be no more or less confident about the competitive season ahead if we'd won all our friendlies really. They are basically training exercises after all. And let's not forget Eastleigh were playing a full strength side who've played competitive football together all last season, won promotion and have bags of confidence. We're still a work in progress. Until Scunny first game of the season not going to fret about it.[/p][/quote]'84, I feel exactly the same way as you about friendlies. The thing that concerns me though is that we are still a work-in-progress, which I don't dispute by the way. Will we still be a work-in-progress next year? And the year after that? Nearly all successful teams achieve their goals with continuity. Last season we were told we were building a platform for a successful 2014/15 but we seem weaker now than we were a few months ago. Our best chance of success is building a team that largely stays together for 2 or 3 seasons, with the occasional careful addition. The revolving door needs a little less use. I hope our youth prospects come through and shine, meaning that the manager has to rely less on the beg, steal or borrow approach. Oi Den!
  • Score: 0

8:17am Fri 18 Jul 14

London Red says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Swindon1984 wrote:
MoonrakerinHampshire wrote:
Moonraker1983 wrote:
I don't think Sam's report really does justice to how bad Town were. They could play to midnight and still not score. The first half looked like a group of blokes who'd met in the car park before the game for the first time.

The first half was awful, without even registering a shot on target. It felt like the bad old days, where Swindon would get the ball up to the two strikers, both playing with their backs to goal, and slowly but surely the ball would be passed back to Wes.

Town were playing some 3-5-2/5-3-2 formation, and yet the fullbacks were supposed to offer width and a wide threat usually stopped with the ball, and either cut inside or passed inside. Eastleigh played a traditional 4-4-2 and looked dangerous. The main difference was the speed in which Eastleigh got the ball forwards,not lumping it, but passing the ball swiftly before Town could settle. In contrast, Swindon took so long to move the ball, Eastleigh could settle their two ranks and wait for town too pass backwards.

The second half showed more promise, but there was still far to much tippy tappy passing in the midfield, whilst the fullbacks stood out on the wings almost ignored.

Playing 3 centre backs, but only having one on the pitch was an interesting choice, hopefully another one will be brought in soon, but more importantly a striker to play off the shoulder of the big guy. A striker who can kick the ball cleanly, because that was sorely missed today.

Hopefully the players will get a rest over the weekend, because they looked tired and leggy. Otherwise Southampton might be a very brutal encounter.
Moonraker1983 has surely got it right. Like TelSTFC I live only a few miles away and If I were Southampton I would change the fixture to Eastleigh who would pose a greater challenge. I was stood within earshot of Cooper and after half an hour I felt like shouting - Why don't you get the second team off and the first team on" Actually It was the first team playing in the first half with the exception of D'Costa who can't defend and newboy Rogers who passed back to the defender who passed to him again and again and again. So much so other team members started to do it and Eastleigh got wise to it.
Swindon didn't improve until Waldon, Barker and Randall came on and interplay improved. This inpart was due to Luongo moving to central midfield and Bryne moving to his right, with Nathan Thompson joining in from Defence. However, even then it was too little, too lightweight and too late.
Moreover when you have too young central defenders who can't deal with a high ball and let it bounce, their build is insufficient to be a match for burly centre forwards, the outcome is inevitable and so it proved.
For a league 1 side it was woeful. I don't think this being a friendly match comes into it. We just didn't know how to break Eastleigh down. Our Central pairing in the first half Gladwin and Branco played too far apart and it was Eastleigh who looked a much better bet for League 1. If they are typical of the Conference it must be a very good league. Am i travelling to the County Ground on Monday? Yes, Do I foresee an improvement? No. I can't see where that will come from
Wouldn't despair too much, it was bad I agree but maybe not the best indication of what we'll look like playing in our own pitch with (you'd hope) a more rested side, with a better idea of who should be in the first team.

I have to tell myself the performance last night was meaningless or I'd be very depressed today, but genuinely don't think you can read too much into these games. I'd be no more or less confident about the competitive season ahead if we'd won all our friendlies really. They are basically training exercises after all. And let's not forget Eastleigh were playing a full strength side who've played competitive football together all last season, won promotion and have bags of confidence. We're still a work in progress. Until Scunny first game of the season not going to fret about it.
'84, I feel exactly the same way as you about friendlies. The thing that concerns me though is that we are still a work-in-progress, which I don't dispute by the way. Will we still be a work-in-progress next year? And the year after that? Nearly all successful teams achieve their goals with continuity. Last season we were told we were building a platform for a successful 2014/15 but we seem weaker now than we were a few months ago. Our best chance of success is building a team that largely stays together for 2 or 3 seasons, with the occasional careful addition. The revolving door needs a little less use. I hope our youth prospects come through and shine, meaning that the manager has to rely less on the beg, steal or borrow approach.
Isn't that what is happening?
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Foderingham, N.Thompson, Branco, N.Byrne, Luongo, L.Thompson, Kasim and Smith all were part of the Matchday squad last season
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Stephens returning is a real possibility - so add him in and we suddenly have 9 from last season!
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That sounds pretty consistent to me!
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Power and Cooper have clearly acknowledge too many changes happened last season (some was a necessity as we simply could afford the squad we had) and because of that the out was always going to be bigger as they clear the deck of dead wood and excess players not at the desired standard
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We don't need a squad of 35!!!
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Still 22 days until the first game and another 22 after that until the window closes - so plenty of time to add the 3 or 4 missing pieces
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Swindon1984[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MoonrakerinHampshire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Moonraker1983[/bold] wrote: I don't think Sam's report really does justice to how bad Town were. They could play to midnight and still not score. The first half looked like a group of blokes who'd met in the car park before the game for the first time. The first half was awful, without even registering a shot on target. It felt like the bad old days, where Swindon would get the ball up to the two strikers, both playing with their backs to goal, and slowly but surely the ball would be passed back to Wes. Town were playing some 3-5-2/5-3-2 formation, and yet the fullbacks were supposed to offer width and a wide threat usually stopped with the ball, and either cut inside or passed inside. Eastleigh played a traditional 4-4-2 and looked dangerous. The main difference was the speed in which Eastleigh got the ball forwards,not lumping it, but passing the ball swiftly before Town could settle. In contrast, Swindon took so long to move the ball, Eastleigh could settle their two ranks and wait for town too pass backwards. The second half showed more promise, but there was still far to much tippy tappy passing in the midfield, whilst the fullbacks stood out on the wings almost ignored. Playing 3 centre backs, but only having one on the pitch was an interesting choice, hopefully another one will be brought in soon, but more importantly a striker to play off the shoulder of the big guy. A striker who can kick the ball cleanly, because that was sorely missed today. Hopefully the players will get a rest over the weekend, because they looked tired and leggy. Otherwise Southampton might be a very brutal encounter.[/p][/quote]Moonraker1983 has surely got it right. Like TelSTFC I live only a few miles away and If I were Southampton I would change the fixture to Eastleigh who would pose a greater challenge. I was stood within earshot of Cooper and after half an hour I felt like shouting - Why don't you get the second team off and the first team on" Actually It was the first team playing in the first half with the exception of D'Costa who can't defend and newboy Rogers who passed back to the defender who passed to him again and again and again. So much so other team members started to do it and Eastleigh got wise to it. Swindon didn't improve until Waldon, Barker and Randall came on and interplay improved. This inpart was due to Luongo moving to central midfield and Bryne moving to his right, with Nathan Thompson joining in from Defence. However, even then it was too little, too lightweight and too late. Moreover when you have too young central defenders who can't deal with a high ball and let it bounce, their build is insufficient to be a match for burly centre forwards, the outcome is inevitable and so it proved. For a league 1 side it was woeful. I don't think this being a friendly match comes into it. We just didn't know how to break Eastleigh down. Our Central pairing in the first half Gladwin and Branco played too far apart and it was Eastleigh who looked a much better bet for League 1. If they are typical of the Conference it must be a very good league. Am i travelling to the County Ground on Monday? Yes, Do I foresee an improvement? No. I can't see where that will come from[/p][/quote]Wouldn't despair too much, it was bad I agree but maybe not the best indication of what we'll look like playing in our own pitch with (you'd hope) a more rested side, with a better idea of who should be in the first team. I have to tell myself the performance last night was meaningless or I'd be very depressed today, but genuinely don't think you can read too much into these games. I'd be no more or less confident about the competitive season ahead if we'd won all our friendlies really. They are basically training exercises after all. And let's not forget Eastleigh were playing a full strength side who've played competitive football together all last season, won promotion and have bags of confidence. We're still a work in progress. Until Scunny first game of the season not going to fret about it.[/p][/quote]'84, I feel exactly the same way as you about friendlies. The thing that concerns me though is that we are still a work-in-progress, which I don't dispute by the way. Will we still be a work-in-progress next year? And the year after that? Nearly all successful teams achieve their goals with continuity. Last season we were told we were building a platform for a successful 2014/15 but we seem weaker now than we were a few months ago. Our best chance of success is building a team that largely stays together for 2 or 3 seasons, with the occasional careful addition. The revolving door needs a little less use. I hope our youth prospects come through and shine, meaning that the manager has to rely less on the beg, steal or borrow approach.[/p][/quote]Isn't that what is happening? . Foderingham, N.Thompson, Branco, N.Byrne, Luongo, L.Thompson, Kasim and Smith all were part of the Matchday squad last season . Stephens returning is a real possibility - so add him in and we suddenly have 9 from last season! . That sounds pretty consistent to me! . Power and Cooper have clearly acknowledge too many changes happened last season (some was a necessity as we simply could afford the squad we had) and because of that the out was always going to be bigger as they clear the deck of dead wood and excess players not at the desired standard . We don't need a squad of 35!!! . Still 22 days until the first game and another 22 after that until the window closes - so plenty of time to add the 3 or 4 missing pieces London Red
  • Score: 0

8:37am Fri 18 Jul 14

Swindon1984 says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Swindon1984 wrote:
MoonrakerinHampshire wrote:
Moonraker1983 wrote: I don't think Sam's report really does justice to how bad Town were. They could play to midnight and still not score. The first half looked like a group of blokes who'd met in the car park before the game for the first time. The first half was awful, without even registering a shot on target. It felt like the bad old days, where Swindon would get the ball up to the two strikers, both playing with their backs to goal, and slowly but surely the ball would be passed back to Wes. Town were playing some 3-5-2/5-3-2 formation, and yet the fullbacks were supposed to offer width and a wide threat usually stopped with the ball, and either cut inside or passed inside. Eastleigh played a traditional 4-4-2 and looked dangerous. The main difference was the speed in which Eastleigh got the ball forwards,not lumping it, but passing the ball swiftly before Town could settle. In contrast, Swindon took so long to move the ball, Eastleigh could settle their two ranks and wait for town too pass backwards. The second half showed more promise, but there was still far to much tippy tappy passing in the midfield, whilst the fullbacks stood out on the wings almost ignored. Playing 3 centre backs, but only having one on the pitch was an interesting choice, hopefully another one will be brought in soon, but more importantly a striker to play off the shoulder of the big guy. A striker who can kick the ball cleanly, because that was sorely missed today. Hopefully the players will get a rest over the weekend, because they looked tired and leggy. Otherwise Southampton might be a very brutal encounter.
Moonraker1983 has surely got it right. Like TelSTFC I live only a few miles away and If I were Southampton I would change the fixture to Eastleigh who would pose a greater challenge. I was stood within earshot of Cooper and after half an hour I felt like shouting - Why don't you get the second team off and the first team on" Actually It was the first team playing in the first half with the exception of D'Costa who can't defend and newboy Rogers who passed back to the defender who passed to him again and again and again. So much so other team members started to do it and Eastleigh got wise to it. Swindon didn't improve until Waldon, Barker and Randall came on and interplay improved. This inpart was due to Luongo moving to central midfield and Bryne moving to his right, with Nathan Thompson joining in from Defence. However, even then it was too little, too lightweight and too late. Moreover when you have too young central defenders who can't deal with a high ball and let it bounce, their build is insufficient to be a match for burly centre forwards, the outcome is inevitable and so it proved. For a league 1 side it was woeful. I don't think this being a friendly match comes into it. We just didn't know how to break Eastleigh down. Our Central pairing in the first half Gladwin and Branco played too far apart and it was Eastleigh who looked a much better bet for League 1. If they are typical of the Conference it must be a very good league. Am i travelling to the County Ground on Monday? Yes, Do I foresee an improvement? No. I can't see where that will come from
Wouldn't despair too much, it was bad I agree but maybe not the best indication of what we'll look like playing in our own pitch with (you'd hope) a more rested side, with a better idea of who should be in the first team. I have to tell myself the performance last night was meaningless or I'd be very depressed today, but genuinely don't think you can read too much into these games. I'd be no more or less confident about the competitive season ahead if we'd won all our friendlies really. They are basically training exercises after all. And let's not forget Eastleigh were playing a full strength side who've played competitive football together all last season, won promotion and have bags of confidence. We're still a work in progress. Until Scunny first game of the season not going to fret about it.
'84, I feel exactly the same way as you about friendlies. The thing that concerns me though is that we are still a work-in-progress, which I don't dispute by the way. Will we still be a work-in-progress next year? And the year after that? Nearly all successful teams achieve their goals with continuity. Last season we were told we were building a platform for a successful 2014/15 but we seem weaker now than we were a few months ago. Our best chance of success is building a team that largely stays together for 2 or 3 seasons, with the occasional careful addition. The revolving door needs a little less use. I hope our youth prospects come through and shine, meaning that the manager has to rely less on the beg, steal or borrow approach.
Fair points, I think we do have a core of a side though, the work in progress comment from me was as to how some of the new faces will fit in, whether they're good enough, what will be our best side etc. We haven't had too many departing but it's a shame we need to rely on loans (and some of the loans have been really good players so not against getting them in), as when they leave there are gaps appearing which don't look easy to fill. If you look at Brentford they had a decent side going in to the play off final against Yeovil and lost, but kept that team, added a few new faces and won promotion last year. If we'd done the same I'd be a bit more confident this time out, but realise we're going to lose loan players and a couple of our own - what will now dictate how good a season we have is who else we can add in.

Agree with LR up to a point that we have the makings of a decent side if we can hang onto the Thompson lads, Wes, Luongo etc, and if we can get a couple of centre halves in. Still not convinced Smith/Williams will get us enough goals for a top six finish but benefit of the doubt, they've not played together competitively and they could just surprise us all.

No wrist slitting from me (tiredness looked to play a big part in the defeat and quality of football last night) but being realistic about our chances. Will be interesting to see who else comes in that's for sure.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Swindon1984[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MoonrakerinHampshire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Moonraker1983[/bold] wrote: I don't think Sam's report really does justice to how bad Town were. They could play to midnight and still not score. The first half looked like a group of blokes who'd met in the car park before the game for the first time. The first half was awful, without even registering a shot on target. It felt like the bad old days, where Swindon would get the ball up to the two strikers, both playing with their backs to goal, and slowly but surely the ball would be passed back to Wes. Town were playing some 3-5-2/5-3-2 formation, and yet the fullbacks were supposed to offer width and a wide threat usually stopped with the ball, and either cut inside or passed inside. Eastleigh played a traditional 4-4-2 and looked dangerous. The main difference was the speed in which Eastleigh got the ball forwards,not lumping it, but passing the ball swiftly before Town could settle. In contrast, Swindon took so long to move the ball, Eastleigh could settle their two ranks and wait for town too pass backwards. The second half showed more promise, but there was still far to much tippy tappy passing in the midfield, whilst the fullbacks stood out on the wings almost ignored. Playing 3 centre backs, but only having one on the pitch was an interesting choice, hopefully another one will be brought in soon, but more importantly a striker to play off the shoulder of the big guy. A striker who can kick the ball cleanly, because that was sorely missed today. Hopefully the players will get a rest over the weekend, because they looked tired and leggy. Otherwise Southampton might be a very brutal encounter.[/p][/quote]Moonraker1983 has surely got it right. Like TelSTFC I live only a few miles away and If I were Southampton I would change the fixture to Eastleigh who would pose a greater challenge. I was stood within earshot of Cooper and after half an hour I felt like shouting - Why don't you get the second team off and the first team on" Actually It was the first team playing in the first half with the exception of D'Costa who can't defend and newboy Rogers who passed back to the defender who passed to him again and again and again. So much so other team members started to do it and Eastleigh got wise to it. Swindon didn't improve until Waldon, Barker and Randall came on and interplay improved. This inpart was due to Luongo moving to central midfield and Bryne moving to his right, with Nathan Thompson joining in from Defence. However, even then it was too little, too lightweight and too late. Moreover when you have too young central defenders who can't deal with a high ball and let it bounce, their build is insufficient to be a match for burly centre forwards, the outcome is inevitable and so it proved. For a league 1 side it was woeful. I don't think this being a friendly match comes into it. We just didn't know how to break Eastleigh down. Our Central pairing in the first half Gladwin and Branco played too far apart and it was Eastleigh who looked a much better bet for League 1. If they are typical of the Conference it must be a very good league. Am i travelling to the County Ground on Monday? Yes, Do I foresee an improvement? No. I can't see where that will come from[/p][/quote]Wouldn't despair too much, it was bad I agree but maybe not the best indication of what we'll look like playing in our own pitch with (you'd hope) a more rested side, with a better idea of who should be in the first team. I have to tell myself the performance last night was meaningless or I'd be very depressed today, but genuinely don't think you can read too much into these games. I'd be no more or less confident about the competitive season ahead if we'd won all our friendlies really. They are basically training exercises after all. And let's not forget Eastleigh were playing a full strength side who've played competitive football together all last season, won promotion and have bags of confidence. We're still a work in progress. Until Scunny first game of the season not going to fret about it.[/p][/quote]'84, I feel exactly the same way as you about friendlies. The thing that concerns me though is that we are still a work-in-progress, which I don't dispute by the way. Will we still be a work-in-progress next year? And the year after that? Nearly all successful teams achieve their goals with continuity. Last season we were told we were building a platform for a successful 2014/15 but we seem weaker now than we were a few months ago. Our best chance of success is building a team that largely stays together for 2 or 3 seasons, with the occasional careful addition. The revolving door needs a little less use. I hope our youth prospects come through and shine, meaning that the manager has to rely less on the beg, steal or borrow approach.[/p][/quote]Fair points, I think we do have a core of a side though, the work in progress comment from me was as to how some of the new faces will fit in, whether they're good enough, what will be our best side etc. We haven't had too many departing but it's a shame we need to rely on loans (and some of the loans have been really good players so not against getting them in), as when they leave there are gaps appearing which don't look easy to fill. If you look at Brentford they had a decent side going in to the play off final against Yeovil and lost, but kept that team, added a few new faces and won promotion last year. If we'd done the same I'd be a bit more confident this time out, but realise we're going to lose loan players and a couple of our own - what will now dictate how good a season we have is who else we can add in. Agree with LR up to a point that we have the makings of a decent side if we can hang onto the Thompson lads, Wes, Luongo etc, and if we can get a couple of centre halves in. Still not convinced Smith/Williams will get us enough goals for a top six finish but benefit of the doubt, they've not played together competitively and they could just surprise us all. No wrist slitting from me (tiredness looked to play a big part in the defeat and quality of football last night) but being realistic about our chances. Will be interesting to see who else comes in that's for sure. Swindon1984
  • Score: 1

9:17am Fri 18 Jul 14

umpcah says...

Swindon1984 wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Swindon1984 wrote:
MoonrakerinHampshire wrote:
Moonraker1983 wrote: I don't think Sam's report really does justice to how bad Town were. They could play to midnight and still not score. The first half looked like a group of blokes who'd met in the car park before the game for the first time. The first half was awful, without even registering a shot on target. It felt like the bad old days, where Swindon would get the ball up to the two strikers, both playing with their backs to goal, and slowly but surely the ball would be passed back to Wes. Town were playing some 3-5-2/5-3-2 formation, and yet the fullbacks were supposed to offer width and a wide threat usually stopped with the ball, and either cut inside or passed inside. Eastleigh played a traditional 4-4-2 and looked dangerous. The main difference was the speed in which Eastleigh got the ball forwards,not lumping it, but passing the ball swiftly before Town could settle. In contrast, Swindon took so long to move the ball, Eastleigh could settle their two ranks and wait for town too pass backwards. The second half showed more promise, but there was still far to much tippy tappy passing in the midfield, whilst the fullbacks stood out on the wings almost ignored. Playing 3 centre backs, but only having one on the pitch was an interesting choice, hopefully another one will be brought in soon, but more importantly a striker to play off the shoulder of the big guy. A striker who can kick the ball cleanly, because that was sorely missed today. Hopefully the players will get a rest over the weekend, because they looked tired and leggy. Otherwise Southampton might be a very brutal encounter.
Moonraker1983 has surely got it right. Like TelSTFC I live only a few miles away and If I were Southampton I would change the fixture to Eastleigh who would pose a greater challenge. I was stood within earshot of Cooper and after half an hour I felt like shouting - Why don't you get the second team off and the first team on" Actually It was the first team playing in the first half with the exception of D'Costa who can't defend and newboy Rogers who passed back to the defender who passed to him again and again and again. So much so other team members started to do it and Eastleigh got wise to it. Swindon didn't improve until Waldon, Barker and Randall came on and interplay improved. This inpart was due to Luongo moving to central midfield and Bryne moving to his right, with Nathan Thompson joining in from Defence. However, even then it was too little, too lightweight and too late. Moreover when you have too young central defenders who can't deal with a high ball and let it bounce, their build is insufficient to be a match for burly centre forwards, the outcome is inevitable and so it proved. For a league 1 side it was woeful. I don't think this being a friendly match comes into it. We just didn't know how to break Eastleigh down. Our Central pairing in the first half Gladwin and Branco played too far apart and it was Eastleigh who looked a much better bet for League 1. If they are typical of the Conference it must be a very good league. Am i travelling to the County Ground on Monday? Yes, Do I foresee an improvement? No. I can't see where that will come from
Wouldn't despair too much, it was bad I agree but maybe not the best indication of what we'll look like playing in our own pitch with (you'd hope) a more rested side, with a better idea of who should be in the first team. I have to tell myself the performance last night was meaningless or I'd be very depressed today, but genuinely don't think you can read too much into these games. I'd be no more or less confident about the competitive season ahead if we'd won all our friendlies really. They are basically training exercises after all. And let's not forget Eastleigh were playing a full strength side who've played competitive football together all last season, won promotion and have bags of confidence. We're still a work in progress. Until Scunny first game of the season not going to fret about it.
'84, I feel exactly the same way as you about friendlies. The thing that concerns me though is that we are still a work-in-progress, which I don't dispute by the way. Will we still be a work-in-progress next year? And the year after that? Nearly all successful teams achieve their goals with continuity. Last season we were told we were building a platform for a successful 2014/15 but we seem weaker now than we were a few months ago. Our best chance of success is building a team that largely stays together for 2 or 3 seasons, with the occasional careful addition. The revolving door needs a little less use. I hope our youth prospects come through and shine, meaning that the manager has to rely less on the beg, steal or borrow approach.
Fair points, I think we do have a core of a side though, the work in progress comment from me was as to how some of the new faces will fit in, whether they're good enough, what will be our best side etc. We haven't had too many departing but it's a shame we need to rely on loans (and some of the loans have been really good players so not against getting them in), as when they leave there are gaps appearing which don't look easy to fill. If you look at Brentford they had a decent side going in to the play off final against Yeovil and lost, but kept that team, added a few new faces and won promotion last year. If we'd done the same I'd be a bit more confident this time out, but realise we're going to lose loan players and a couple of our own - what will now dictate how good a season we have is who else we can add in.

Agree with LR up to a point that we have the makings of a decent side if we can hang onto the Thompson lads, Wes, Luongo etc, and if we can get a couple of centre halves in. Still not convinced Smith/Williams will get us enough goals for a top six finish but benefit of the doubt, they've not played together competitively and they could just surprise us all.

No wrist slitting from me (tiredness looked to play a big part in the defeat and quality of football last night) but being realistic about our chances. Will be interesting to see who else comes in that's for sure.
(tiredness looked to play a big part in the defeat and quality of football last night ] Cooper wanted to see them play when tired to enable him to assess the level of coping against a reasonable side. Did they all remember to ....................
.... ? Did anyone ? I don't know ! I`ve lost count of abysmal performances during decades of following Swindon Town but these disasters occur at all levels same as brilliant displays crop up here and there ! I`m not expecting a miraculous season but am definitely optimistic for 9th August and onwards ! COME ON YOU REDS !
[quote][p][bold]Swindon1984[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Swindon1984[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MoonrakerinHampshire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Moonraker1983[/bold] wrote: I don't think Sam's report really does justice to how bad Town were. They could play to midnight and still not score. The first half looked like a group of blokes who'd met in the car park before the game for the first time. The first half was awful, without even registering a shot on target. It felt like the bad old days, where Swindon would get the ball up to the two strikers, both playing with their backs to goal, and slowly but surely the ball would be passed back to Wes. Town were playing some 3-5-2/5-3-2 formation, and yet the fullbacks were supposed to offer width and a wide threat usually stopped with the ball, and either cut inside or passed inside. Eastleigh played a traditional 4-4-2 and looked dangerous. The main difference was the speed in which Eastleigh got the ball forwards,not lumping it, but passing the ball swiftly before Town could settle. In contrast, Swindon took so long to move the ball, Eastleigh could settle their two ranks and wait for town too pass backwards. The second half showed more promise, but there was still far to much tippy tappy passing in the midfield, whilst the fullbacks stood out on the wings almost ignored. Playing 3 centre backs, but only having one on the pitch was an interesting choice, hopefully another one will be brought in soon, but more importantly a striker to play off the shoulder of the big guy. A striker who can kick the ball cleanly, because that was sorely missed today. Hopefully the players will get a rest over the weekend, because they looked tired and leggy. Otherwise Southampton might be a very brutal encounter.[/p][/quote]Moonraker1983 has surely got it right. Like TelSTFC I live only a few miles away and If I were Southampton I would change the fixture to Eastleigh who would pose a greater challenge. I was stood within earshot of Cooper and after half an hour I felt like shouting - Why don't you get the second team off and the first team on" Actually It was the first team playing in the first half with the exception of D'Costa who can't defend and newboy Rogers who passed back to the defender who passed to him again and again and again. So much so other team members started to do it and Eastleigh got wise to it. Swindon didn't improve until Waldon, Barker and Randall came on and interplay improved. This inpart was due to Luongo moving to central midfield and Bryne moving to his right, with Nathan Thompson joining in from Defence. However, even then it was too little, too lightweight and too late. Moreover when you have too young central defenders who can't deal with a high ball and let it bounce, their build is insufficient to be a match for burly centre forwards, the outcome is inevitable and so it proved. For a league 1 side it was woeful. I don't think this being a friendly match comes into it. We just didn't know how to break Eastleigh down. Our Central pairing in the first half Gladwin and Branco played too far apart and it was Eastleigh who looked a much better bet for League 1. If they are typical of the Conference it must be a very good league. Am i travelling to the County Ground on Monday? Yes, Do I foresee an improvement? No. I can't see where that will come from[/p][/quote]Wouldn't despair too much, it was bad I agree but maybe not the best indication of what we'll look like playing in our own pitch with (you'd hope) a more rested side, with a better idea of who should be in the first team. I have to tell myself the performance last night was meaningless or I'd be very depressed today, but genuinely don't think you can read too much into these games. I'd be no more or less confident about the competitive season ahead if we'd won all our friendlies really. They are basically training exercises after all. And let's not forget Eastleigh were playing a full strength side who've played competitive football together all last season, won promotion and have bags of confidence. We're still a work in progress. Until Scunny first game of the season not going to fret about it.[/p][/quote]'84, I feel exactly the same way as you about friendlies. The thing that concerns me though is that we are still a work-in-progress, which I don't dispute by the way. Will we still be a work-in-progress next year? And the year after that? Nearly all successful teams achieve their goals with continuity. Last season we were told we were building a platform for a successful 2014/15 but we seem weaker now than we were a few months ago. Our best chance of success is building a team that largely stays together for 2 or 3 seasons, with the occasional careful addition. The revolving door needs a little less use. I hope our youth prospects come through and shine, meaning that the manager has to rely less on the beg, steal or borrow approach.[/p][/quote]Fair points, I think we do have a core of a side though, the work in progress comment from me was as to how some of the new faces will fit in, whether they're good enough, what will be our best side etc. We haven't had too many departing but it's a shame we need to rely on loans (and some of the loans have been really good players so not against getting them in), as when they leave there are gaps appearing which don't look easy to fill. If you look at Brentford they had a decent side going in to the play off final against Yeovil and lost, but kept that team, added a few new faces and won promotion last year. If we'd done the same I'd be a bit more confident this time out, but realise we're going to lose loan players and a couple of our own - what will now dictate how good a season we have is who else we can add in. Agree with LR up to a point that we have the makings of a decent side if we can hang onto the Thompson lads, Wes, Luongo etc, and if we can get a couple of centre halves in. Still not convinced Smith/Williams will get us enough goals for a top six finish but benefit of the doubt, they've not played together competitively and they could just surprise us all. No wrist slitting from me (tiredness looked to play a big part in the defeat and quality of football last night) but being realistic about our chances. Will be interesting to see who else comes in that's for sure.[/p][/quote](tiredness looked to play a big part in the defeat and quality of football last night ] Cooper wanted to see them play when tired to enable him to assess the level of coping against a reasonable side. Did they all remember to .................... .... ? Did anyone ? I don't know ! I`ve lost count of abysmal performances during decades of following Swindon Town but these disasters occur at all levels same as brilliant displays crop up here and there ! I`m not expecting a miraculous season but am definitely optimistic for 9th August and onwards ! COME ON YOU REDS ! umpcah
  • Score: 0

10:24am Fri 18 Jul 14

hertz says...

Interesting that Cooperman is testing the tired aspect , The great PDC would say bad decisions are made when players are tired , its all about fitness , fitness , fitness . we all experience it in our daily lives when tired its difficult to concenrate or make the right decision so it was a good test (which they failed) trouble is at our level its a fine line between getting them fit or putting them on the treatment table . from what I am reading in the threads we are still far too slow to make the break and will get caught just as we did last season , teams will just watch us play then hit us on the break . COYR
Interesting that Cooperman is testing the tired aspect , The great PDC would say bad decisions are made when players are tired , its all about fitness , fitness , fitness . we all experience it in our daily lives when tired its difficult to concenrate or make the right decision so it was a good test (which they failed) trouble is at our level its a fine line between getting them fit or putting them on the treatment table . from what I am reading in the threads we are still far too slow to make the break and will get caught just as we did last season , teams will just watch us play then hit us on the break . COYR hertz
  • Score: 1

2:32pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Oi Den! says...

Swindon1984 wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Swindon1984 wrote:
MoonrakerinHampshire wrote:
Moonraker1983 wrote: I don't think Sam's report really does justice to how bad Town were. They could play to midnight and still not score. The first half looked like a group of blokes who'd met in the car park before the game for the first time. The first half was awful, without even registering a shot on target. It felt like the bad old days, where Swindon would get the ball up to the two strikers, both playing with their backs to goal, and slowly but surely the ball would be passed back to Wes. Town were playing some 3-5-2/5-3-2 formation, and yet the fullbacks were supposed to offer width and a wide threat usually stopped with the ball, and either cut inside or passed inside. Eastleigh played a traditional 4-4-2 and looked dangerous. The main difference was the speed in which Eastleigh got the ball forwards,not lumping it, but passing the ball swiftly before Town could settle. In contrast, Swindon took so long to move the ball, Eastleigh could settle their two ranks and wait for town too pass backwards. The second half showed more promise, but there was still far to much tippy tappy passing in the midfield, whilst the fullbacks stood out on the wings almost ignored. Playing 3 centre backs, but only having one on the pitch was an interesting choice, hopefully another one will be brought in soon, but more importantly a striker to play off the shoulder of the big guy. A striker who can kick the ball cleanly, because that was sorely missed today. Hopefully the players will get a rest over the weekend, because they looked tired and leggy. Otherwise Southampton might be a very brutal encounter.
Moonraker1983 has surely got it right. Like TelSTFC I live only a few miles away and If I were Southampton I would change the fixture to Eastleigh who would pose a greater challenge. I was stood within earshot of Cooper and after half an hour I felt like shouting - Why don't you get the second team off and the first team on" Actually It was the first team playing in the first half with the exception of D'Costa who can't defend and newboy Rogers who passed back to the defender who passed to him again and again and again. So much so other team members started to do it and Eastleigh got wise to it. Swindon didn't improve until Waldon, Barker and Randall came on and interplay improved. This inpart was due to Luongo moving to central midfield and Bryne moving to his right, with Nathan Thompson joining in from Defence. However, even then it was too little, too lightweight and too late. Moreover when you have too young central defenders who can't deal with a high ball and let it bounce, their build is insufficient to be a match for burly centre forwards, the outcome is inevitable and so it proved. For a league 1 side it was woeful. I don't think this being a friendly match comes into it. We just didn't know how to break Eastleigh down. Our Central pairing in the first half Gladwin and Branco played too far apart and it was Eastleigh who looked a much better bet for League 1. If they are typical of the Conference it must be a very good league. Am i travelling to the County Ground on Monday? Yes, Do I foresee an improvement? No. I can't see where that will come from
Wouldn't despair too much, it was bad I agree but maybe not the best indication of what we'll look like playing in our own pitch with (you'd hope) a more rested side, with a better idea of who should be in the first team. I have to tell myself the performance last night was meaningless or I'd be very depressed today, but genuinely don't think you can read too much into these games. I'd be no more or less confident about the competitive season ahead if we'd won all our friendlies really. They are basically training exercises after all. And let's not forget Eastleigh were playing a full strength side who've played competitive football together all last season, won promotion and have bags of confidence. We're still a work in progress. Until Scunny first game of the season not going to fret about it.
'84, I feel exactly the same way as you about friendlies. The thing that concerns me though is that we are still a work-in-progress, which I don't dispute by the way. Will we still be a work-in-progress next year? And the year after that? Nearly all successful teams achieve their goals with continuity. Last season we were told we were building a platform for a successful 2014/15 but we seem weaker now than we were a few months ago. Our best chance of success is building a team that largely stays together for 2 or 3 seasons, with the occasional careful addition. The revolving door needs a little less use. I hope our youth prospects come through and shine, meaning that the manager has to rely less on the beg, steal or borrow approach.
Fair points, I think we do have a core of a side though, the work in progress comment from me was as to how some of the new faces will fit in, whether they're good enough, what will be our best side etc. We haven't had too many departing but it's a shame we need to rely on loans (and some of the loans have been really good players so not against getting them in), as when they leave there are gaps appearing which don't look easy to fill. If you look at Brentford they had a decent side going in to the play off final against Yeovil and lost, but kept that team, added a few new faces and won promotion last year. If we'd done the same I'd be a bit more confident this time out, but realise we're going to lose loan players and a couple of our own - what will now dictate how good a season we have is who else we can add in.

Agree with LR up to a point that we have the makings of a decent side if we can hang onto the Thompson lads, Wes, Luongo etc, and if we can get a couple of centre halves in. Still not convinced Smith/Williams will get us enough goals for a top six finish but benefit of the doubt, they've not played together competitively and they could just surprise us all.

No wrist slitting from me (tiredness looked to play a big part in the defeat and quality of football last night) but being realistic about our chances. Will be interesting to see who else comes in that's for sure.
I agree that we have the makings of a decent side. I just hope we're not sitting here in a year's time still saying we're a work-in-progress, the players are young and still learning etc.
[quote][p][bold]Swindon1984[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Swindon1984[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MoonrakerinHampshire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Moonraker1983[/bold] wrote: I don't think Sam's report really does justice to how bad Town were. They could play to midnight and still not score. The first half looked like a group of blokes who'd met in the car park before the game for the first time. The first half was awful, without even registering a shot on target. It felt like the bad old days, where Swindon would get the ball up to the two strikers, both playing with their backs to goal, and slowly but surely the ball would be passed back to Wes. Town were playing some 3-5-2/5-3-2 formation, and yet the fullbacks were supposed to offer width and a wide threat usually stopped with the ball, and either cut inside or passed inside. Eastleigh played a traditional 4-4-2 and looked dangerous. The main difference was the speed in which Eastleigh got the ball forwards,not lumping it, but passing the ball swiftly before Town could settle. In contrast, Swindon took so long to move the ball, Eastleigh could settle their two ranks and wait for town too pass backwards. The second half showed more promise, but there was still far to much tippy tappy passing in the midfield, whilst the fullbacks stood out on the wings almost ignored. Playing 3 centre backs, but only having one on the pitch was an interesting choice, hopefully another one will be brought in soon, but more importantly a striker to play off the shoulder of the big guy. A striker who can kick the ball cleanly, because that was sorely missed today. Hopefully the players will get a rest over the weekend, because they looked tired and leggy. Otherwise Southampton might be a very brutal encounter.[/p][/quote]Moonraker1983 has surely got it right. Like TelSTFC I live only a few miles away and If I were Southampton I would change the fixture to Eastleigh who would pose a greater challenge. I was stood within earshot of Cooper and after half an hour I felt like shouting - Why don't you get the second team off and the first team on" Actually It was the first team playing in the first half with the exception of D'Costa who can't defend and newboy Rogers who passed back to the defender who passed to him again and again and again. So much so other team members started to do it and Eastleigh got wise to it. Swindon didn't improve until Waldon, Barker and Randall came on and interplay improved. This inpart was due to Luongo moving to central midfield and Bryne moving to his right, with Nathan Thompson joining in from Defence. However, even then it was too little, too lightweight and too late. Moreover when you have too young central defenders who can't deal with a high ball and let it bounce, their build is insufficient to be a match for burly centre forwards, the outcome is inevitable and so it proved. For a league 1 side it was woeful. I don't think this being a friendly match comes into it. We just didn't know how to break Eastleigh down. Our Central pairing in the first half Gladwin and Branco played too far apart and it was Eastleigh who looked a much better bet for League 1. If they are typical of the Conference it must be a very good league. Am i travelling to the County Ground on Monday? Yes, Do I foresee an improvement? No. I can't see where that will come from[/p][/quote]Wouldn't despair too much, it was bad I agree but maybe not the best indication of what we'll look like playing in our own pitch with (you'd hope) a more rested side, with a better idea of who should be in the first team. I have to tell myself the performance last night was meaningless or I'd be very depressed today, but genuinely don't think you can read too much into these games. I'd be no more or less confident about the competitive season ahead if we'd won all our friendlies really. They are basically training exercises after all. And let's not forget Eastleigh were playing a full strength side who've played competitive football together all last season, won promotion and have bags of confidence. We're still a work in progress. Until Scunny first game of the season not going to fret about it.[/p][/quote]'84, I feel exactly the same way as you about friendlies. The thing that concerns me though is that we are still a work-in-progress, which I don't dispute by the way. Will we still be a work-in-progress next year? And the year after that? Nearly all successful teams achieve their goals with continuity. Last season we were told we were building a platform for a successful 2014/15 but we seem weaker now than we were a few months ago. Our best chance of success is building a team that largely stays together for 2 or 3 seasons, with the occasional careful addition. The revolving door needs a little less use. I hope our youth prospects come through and shine, meaning that the manager has to rely less on the beg, steal or borrow approach.[/p][/quote]Fair points, I think we do have a core of a side though, the work in progress comment from me was as to how some of the new faces will fit in, whether they're good enough, what will be our best side etc. We haven't had too many departing but it's a shame we need to rely on loans (and some of the loans have been really good players so not against getting them in), as when they leave there are gaps appearing which don't look easy to fill. If you look at Brentford they had a decent side going in to the play off final against Yeovil and lost, but kept that team, added a few new faces and won promotion last year. If we'd done the same I'd be a bit more confident this time out, but realise we're going to lose loan players and a couple of our own - what will now dictate how good a season we have is who else we can add in. Agree with LR up to a point that we have the makings of a decent side if we can hang onto the Thompson lads, Wes, Luongo etc, and if we can get a couple of centre halves in. Still not convinced Smith/Williams will get us enough goals for a top six finish but benefit of the doubt, they've not played together competitively and they could just surprise us all. No wrist slitting from me (tiredness looked to play a big part in the defeat and quality of football last night) but being realistic about our chances. Will be interesting to see who else comes in that's for sure.[/p][/quote]I agree that we have the makings of a decent side. I just hope we're not sitting here in a year's time still saying we're a work-in-progress, the players are young and still learning etc. Oi Den!
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3:00pm Fri 18 Jul 14

London Red says...

How quick do people honestly expect players to go from inexperienced youngsters to expereinced camapigners?
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Most of the lads have had just one year as a pro now - is that it - they are now expereinced campaigners and have to be seen the same as the likes of Jay, Ward, Harley and Williams?
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If so then do we need any experienced heads at all - as we now have 7 or 8 experienced campaigners already in the team!
How quick do people honestly expect players to go from inexperienced youngsters to expereinced camapigners? . Most of the lads have had just one year as a pro now - is that it - they are now expereinced campaigners and have to be seen the same as the likes of Jay, Ward, Harley and Williams? . If so then do we need any experienced heads at all - as we now have 7 or 8 experienced campaigners already in the team! London Red
  • Score: -1

3:45pm Fri 18 Jul 14

MoonrakerinHampshire says...

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  • Score: 0

4:03pm Fri 18 Jul 14

MoonrakerinHampshire says...

oops!

Now a day has almost past I don't feel quite so bad. There were two positives. Nathan Thompson would make an excellent defensive midfielder. We saw a glimpse of that last night. His vision, distribution and tackling showed him to be better in that role than full back and certainly better than any midfielder who tried that role last night. And our reserve keeper can volley a ball better than any of the outfield players. For a start he can keep it down and hit it harder and straighter. Willow is not match fit, Smith needs to watch the defenders so he can hold the line. The kids worked their socks off but truly it was only the last fifteen minutes the team began to gel. The team needs to be strengthened but I don't think Rogers will add anything new to midfield. Of all the players Louis Thompson seemed to struggle with fitness most. So maybe it will be better on Monday. I hope so because I don't want to see the players heads drop. But they must know in their heart of hearts they are two divisions above conference teams, and their class should have showed. But they will know it wasn't so and it should have been 4 or 5 nil last night.
oops! Now a day has almost past I don't feel quite so bad. There were two positives. Nathan Thompson would make an excellent defensive midfielder. We saw a glimpse of that last night. His vision, distribution and tackling showed him to be better in that role than full back and certainly better than any midfielder who tried that role last night. And our reserve keeper can volley a ball better than any of the outfield players. For a start he can keep it down and hit it harder and straighter. Willow is not match fit, Smith needs to watch the defenders so he can hold the line. The kids worked their socks off but truly it was only the last fifteen minutes the team began to gel. The team needs to be strengthened but I don't think Rogers will add anything new to midfield. Of all the players Louis Thompson seemed to struggle with fitness most. So maybe it will be better on Monday. I hope so because I don't want to see the players heads drop. But they must know in their heart of hearts they are two divisions above conference teams, and their class should have showed. But they will know it wasn't so and it should have been 4 or 5 nil last night. MoonrakerinHampshire
  • Score: 0

4:03pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Oi Den! says...

London Red wrote:
How quick do people honestly expect players to go from inexperienced youngsters to expereinced camapigners?
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Most of the lads have had just one year as a pro now - is that it - they are now expereinced campaigners and have to be seen the same as the likes of Jay, Ward, Harley and Williams?
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If so then do we need any experienced heads at all - as we now have 7 or 8 experienced campaigners already in the team!
So when do you think we'll have team capable of challenging for promotion LR? I might be wrong but I thought you said last season was the learning curve and this season we would be ready. I don't think many of us are expecting miracles this season. I just hope we're not going to start every season for the foreseeable future as a work-in-progress
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: How quick do people honestly expect players to go from inexperienced youngsters to expereinced camapigners? . Most of the lads have had just one year as a pro now - is that it - they are now expereinced campaigners and have to be seen the same as the likes of Jay, Ward, Harley and Williams? . If so then do we need any experienced heads at all - as we now have 7 or 8 experienced campaigners already in the team![/p][/quote]So when do you think we'll have team capable of challenging for promotion LR? I might be wrong but I thought you said last season was the learning curve and this season we would be ready. I don't think many of us are expecting miracles this season. I just hope we're not going to start every season for the foreseeable future as a work-in-progress Oi Den!
  • Score: 0

4:25pm Fri 18 Jul 14

London Red says...

Oi Den! wrote:
London Red wrote: How quick do people honestly expect players to go from inexperienced youngsters to expereinced camapigners? . Most of the lads have had just one year as a pro now - is that it - they are now expereinced campaigners and have to be seen the same as the likes of Jay, Ward, Harley and Williams? . If so then do we need any experienced heads at all - as we now have 7 or 8 experienced campaigners already in the team!
So when do you think we'll have team capable of challenging for promotion LR? I might be wrong but I thought you said last season was the learning curve and this season we would be ready. I don't think many of us are expecting miracles this season. I just hope we're not going to start every season for the foreseeable future as a work-in-progress
Aren't teams always work in progress as they always stive to move forward?
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I think we are the similar to last season - top 10 with an outside chance of the POs
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I think we have a great core - and even though they are still young and inexperienced - they have a season under their belt so expect to see improvements from them
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However we are missing a few key stars to make us PO with outside chance of automatic - Troy staying, Stephens snapped up on a perm and Ranger would have pushed us towards that for me!
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I also feel that Cooper fits that bill too - so expect to see him do things slightly different to avoid the bad spell we had at the start of 2014 this season
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Those expectations may go up if we were to land 3 or 4 quality loanees at the level of Stephens and Pritchard
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They may go down if we don't sign anyone as we are very short a CB and that will cost us if not addressed - but am confident it will be in the next 22 days
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: How quick do people honestly expect players to go from inexperienced youngsters to expereinced camapigners? . Most of the lads have had just one year as a pro now - is that it - they are now expereinced campaigners and have to be seen the same as the likes of Jay, Ward, Harley and Williams? . If so then do we need any experienced heads at all - as we now have 7 or 8 experienced campaigners already in the team![/p][/quote]So when do you think we'll have team capable of challenging for promotion LR? I might be wrong but I thought you said last season was the learning curve and this season we would be ready. I don't think many of us are expecting miracles this season. I just hope we're not going to start every season for the foreseeable future as a work-in-progress[/p][/quote]Aren't teams always work in progress as they always stive to move forward? . I think we are the similar to last season - top 10 with an outside chance of the POs . I think we have a great core - and even though they are still young and inexperienced - they have a season under their belt so expect to see improvements from them . However we are missing a few key stars to make us PO with outside chance of automatic - Troy staying, Stephens snapped up on a perm and Ranger would have pushed us towards that for me! . I also feel that Cooper fits that bill too - so expect to see him do things slightly different to avoid the bad spell we had at the start of 2014 this season . Those expectations may go up if we were to land 3 or 4 quality loanees at the level of Stephens and Pritchard . They may go down if we don't sign anyone as we are very short a CB and that will cost us if not addressed - but am confident it will be in the next 22 days London Red
  • Score: 0

7:06pm Fri 18 Jul 14

the wizard says...

And so there it is, we lost a friendly after two games and heavy training, to gauge the reaction as to where we are, said the manager in not so many words. So a good side found our weakness points, good ! Now we can work on that, and with some 6 weeks or so until the transfer window closes we have ample opportunity to iron out the flaws.

Some seem to forget that until the unsavoury Jedgate was sorted Power had no chance of bringing in players, but I'm sure most are happy with the additions he has made since. He tells us he is not finished yet, so more additions will be made. A bad display is always far from encouraging but Cooper wanted to see where we are on fitness etc and this has shown him exactly that. As per usual we will have to wait until early/mid October before we can realistically see how things are going and new players blending in, until then is it really worth the worry and dummy spitting, not really, we've been here before and with Power at the helm and all of his personal funding he is hardly likely to let it all go pear shaped. I think we will do as well this season as last and with the finances sorted and Jed out of the way Power can look at taking the club forwards in an orderly manner rather than at a hectic pace. Next season will see us as a much improved side and in with a challenge to go up.
And so there it is, we lost a friendly after two games and heavy training, to gauge the reaction as to where we are, said the manager in not so many words. So a good side found our weakness points, good ! Now we can work on that, and with some 6 weeks or so until the transfer window closes we have ample opportunity to iron out the flaws. Some seem to forget that until the unsavoury Jedgate was sorted Power had no chance of bringing in players, but I'm sure most are happy with the additions he has made since. He tells us he is not finished yet, so more additions will be made. A bad display is always far from encouraging but Cooper wanted to see where we are on fitness etc and this has shown him exactly that. As per usual we will have to wait until early/mid October before we can realistically see how things are going and new players blending in, until then is it really worth the worry and dummy spitting, not really, we've been here before and with Power at the helm and all of his personal funding he is hardly likely to let it all go pear shaped. I think we will do as well this season as last and with the finances sorted and Jed out of the way Power can look at taking the club forwards in an orderly manner rather than at a hectic pace. Next season will see us as a much improved side and in with a challenge to go up. the wizard
  • Score: 0

9:58pm Fri 18 Jul 14

stfcflag says...

As ever the same sorts of comments on here for and against. I really hope we make some quality signings soon, 2-0 to a conference side is a concern regardless of the training pattern. As has been said the team needs to be fit for the season, I'm concrened but will be happy to be proved wrong to be :o)
As ever the same sorts of comments on here for and against. I really hope we make some quality signings soon, 2-0 to a conference side is a concern regardless of the training pattern. As has been said the team needs to be fit for the season, I'm concrened but will be happy to be proved wrong to be :o) stfcflag
  • Score: 0

12:06am Sat 19 Jul 14

The Jockster says...

Sorry chaps but I just don't buy all this "I ❤️ Power adulation. His devotees will be having T shirts printed next. To me he is just a shade less dodgy than Jedi. After all his track record and business acumen leave much to be desired.
Are you all really trying to say that he had no inkling what the Banbury Bullsh!tter was up to from day 1. How do we know that originally they weren't in cahoots? Who was it that bought LP on board?

LP is currently making the right noises that the fans want to hear, well of course he would he needs bums on seats but that doesn't mean that at some stage he won't abandon ship with a load of moola.
I'll see how the season pans out and reserve my judgement until 46 games have been played. If Power is still at the helm and we're still in the top half of L1 then I'll eat that slice of pie but I wouldn't be happy with a third so called work in progress season in 2015/16, I expect us to progress this season not regress from last season.
Sorry chaps but I just don't buy all this "I ❤️ Power adulation. His devotees will be having T shirts printed next. To me he is just a shade less dodgy than Jedi. After all his track record and business acumen leave much to be desired. Are you all really trying to say that he had no inkling what the Banbury Bullsh!tter was up to from day 1. How do we know that originally they weren't in cahoots? Who was it that bought LP on board? LP is currently making the right noises that the fans want to hear, well of course he would he needs bums on seats but that doesn't mean that at some stage he won't abandon ship with a load of moola. I'll see how the season pans out and reserve my judgement until 46 games have been played. If Power is still at the helm and we're still in the top half of L1 then I'll eat that slice of pie but I wouldn't be happy with a third so called work in progress season in 2015/16, I expect us to progress this season not regress from last season. The Jockster
  • Score: -8

5:59pm Sat 19 Jul 14

dazzastfc says...

the wizard wrote:
And so there it is, we lost a friendly after two games and heavy training, to gauge the reaction as to where we are, said the manager in not so many words. So a good side found our weakness points, good ! Now we can work on that, and with some 6 weeks or so until the transfer window closes we have ample opportunity to iron out the flaws.

Some seem to forget that until the unsavoury Jedgate was sorted Power had no chance of bringing in players, but I'm sure most are happy with the additions he has made since. He tells us he is not finished yet, so more additions will be made. A bad display is always far from encouraging but Cooper wanted to see where we are on fitness etc and this has shown him exactly that. As per usual we will have to wait until early/mid October before we can realistically see how things are going and new players blending in, until then is it really worth the worry and dummy spitting, not really, we've been here before and with Power at the helm and all of his personal funding he is hardly likely to let it all go pear shaped. I think we will do as well this season as last and with the finances sorted and Jed out of the way Power can look at taking the club forwards in an orderly manner rather than at a hectic pace. Next season will see us as a much improved side and in with a challenge to go up.
we lost a friendly after two games and heavy training, to gauge the reaction as to where we are, said the manager in not so many words. So a good side found our weakness points, good ! Now we can work on that,

I thought last season would have told him that but its the same excuses and crap all ready
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: And so there it is, we lost a friendly after two games and heavy training, to gauge the reaction as to where we are, said the manager in not so many words. So a good side found our weakness points, good ! Now we can work on that, and with some 6 weeks or so until the transfer window closes we have ample opportunity to iron out the flaws. Some seem to forget that until the unsavoury Jedgate was sorted Power had no chance of bringing in players, but I'm sure most are happy with the additions he has made since. He tells us he is not finished yet, so more additions will be made. A bad display is always far from encouraging but Cooper wanted to see where we are on fitness etc and this has shown him exactly that. As per usual we will have to wait until early/mid October before we can realistically see how things are going and new players blending in, until then is it really worth the worry and dummy spitting, not really, we've been here before and with Power at the helm and all of his personal funding he is hardly likely to let it all go pear shaped. I think we will do as well this season as last and with the finances sorted and Jed out of the way Power can look at taking the club forwards in an orderly manner rather than at a hectic pace. Next season will see us as a much improved side and in with a challenge to go up.[/p][/quote]we lost a friendly after two games and heavy training, to gauge the reaction as to where we are, said the manager in not so many words. So a good side found our weakness points, good ! Now we can work on that, I thought last season would have told him that but its the same excuses and crap all ready dazzastfc
  • Score: -1

9:55pm Sat 19 Jul 14

the wizard says...

We've all moved on since last season, I thought you had too.
We've all moved on since last season, I thought you had too. the wizard
  • Score: 2

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