BROMLEY 1 SWINDON TOWN 1: Full-time report

Swindon Town drew 1-1 at Bromley this afternoon

Swindon Town drew 1-1 at Bromley this afternoon

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IF SWINDON Town enjoy this sort of good luck in League One next season, they’ll have a decent chance of winning the division.

The Robins only avoided defeat at the Fortress Stadium in Bromley thanks to their hosts’ bizarre profligacy in front of goal in the second half this afternoon, as the Conference South side hit a post, hit the bar and missed at least four sitters en route to claiming a 1-1 draw.

It was good fortune in the extreme for Swindon who, after an accomplished if slow-tempo and low-key first-half display forgot how to play in the second period.

Whether or not there was an element of fatigue in their performance due to a monstrous journey round the M25 in 27-degree heat, which lead to a delayed kick-off in Kent, is open to debate. But with the new campaign just two short weeks away, the second-half display was certainly a worry.

It never looked like being that sort of afternoon as Massimo Luongo, Louis Thompson and Yaser Kasim controlled midfield in the opening 45 minutes, while new signing Josh Lelan looked composed and dynamic in the Town backline.

However, after the break Swindon just didn’t get going. Though Michael Smith cancelled out Sam Higgins’s opener for Bromley, they rarely threatened from the hour mark onwards and only a succession of terrible misses and good saves from Wes Foderingham prevented the home side from running away with a big victory.

In the opening period, Adam Birchall came closest to breaking the deadlock for the hosts midway through the first half. Birchall wriggled free in the box to fire low at Foderingham and the Town keeper did well to push the ball onto a post and gleefully collect the rebound.

Swindon, who looked much more composed at the back following the addition of dynamic Derby County midfielder Lelan on loan, passed the ball around midfield with consummate ease. However, their final pass was often sloppy and overhit, meaning clear-cut chances were at a premium before half-time.

Smith forced a good save from Seb Brown, the Bromley stopper leaping to his left to push Smith’s venomous 20-yard drive away to safety, while Kasim also spurned a good opportunity to fire the Robins in front ahead of the break.

It took Bromley less than five minutes of the second half to take the lead. Nathan Thompson uncharacteristically failed to clear under pressure inside his own six-yard box and the hosts seized on his hesitation, with Sam Higgins firing low beyond Foderingham.

Town responded in kind six minutes later. Luongo played in Kasim down the left and the Iraqi checked his cross to pick out Smith and the striker obliged with the simplest of tap-ins.

Bromley weren’t about to let the wind get sucked from their sails, however, and Swindon were given massive reprieves in the 57th and 59th minutes when first Higgins sliced horribly wide with all the time in the world to pick his spot and then Pierre Joseph-Dubois beat Foderingham to a free-kick, only to nod against the crossbar.

Moses Ademola should have restored the Ravens’ advantage in the 71st minute but, after Town were again cut apart down their left, the substitute shot into the crowd under no pressure whatsoever 12 yards out.

One-time Swindon striker Jamie Slabber was next to waste a golden chance for the home side, volleying wide when one on one with Foderingham after Ademola’s tidy throughball, before Ademola curled wide from 18 yards, Slabber was denied by Foderingham and Ali Fuseini, under pressure from Ben Gladwin, somehow failed to beat the Swindon stopper from all of two yards at the back post.

‘Which one is the non-league side?’ came a comment from the crowd. It was apt. Swindon were being dominated by the Conference South outfit, who seemed to be finding their way around the Robins’ back three with remarkable ease. Worrying ease. Frustrating ease for Nathan Thompson, who was substituted after a clattering challenge in the middle of the park which left Bromley fans leering for a red card.

Joe Anderson saw his free-kick saved by Foderingham and Damian Scannell somehow shanked a volley over the top at the back post, as Bromley outdid themselves time and time again with innovative new ways of not going in front until they ran out of minutes.

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5:10pm Sat 26 Jul 14

Scouse Red says...

Oh dear, hopefully the heat and tempo will be the reason for this, fingers crossed for a good start in a fortnight after picking up our new season tickets today
Oh dear, hopefully the heat and tempo will be the reason for this, fingers crossed for a good start in a fortnight after picking up our new season tickets today Scouse Red
  • Score: 3

5:23pm Sat 26 Jul 14

swindonmatt says...

sounds shocking again and if there aren't new players soon league 2 could b here next season I hope not. come on power sort it out.
sounds shocking again and if there aren't new players soon league 2 could b here next season I hope not. come on power sort it out. swindonmatt
  • Score: -13

5:51pm Sat 26 Jul 14

swindonjason says...

Its preseason. All about fitness, experimenting and match practice. No points are won or lost, so personally not bothered.
Its preseason. All about fitness, experimenting and match practice. No points are won or lost, so personally not bothered. swindonjason
  • Score: 15

5:51pm Sat 26 Jul 14

glenda hoddle says...

I say agian . I FEAR FOR TOWN. All the happy clapper are kidding themself. All the blind town fans that chanted the ego maniacs name wile he was slaging the best thing that ever happend to this club (andy black). You have got now what you wanted. A club onwed by a man who cant afford to run it. I FEAR FOR US.
I say agian . I FEAR FOR TOWN. All the happy clapper are kidding themself. All the blind town fans that chanted the ego maniacs name wile he was slaging the best thing that ever happend to this club (andy black). You have got now what you wanted. A club onwed by a man who cant afford to run it. I FEAR FOR US. glenda hoddle
  • Score: 11

5:56pm Sat 26 Jul 14

umpcah says...

I suppose it`s the same for both sides but I wouldn`t care to play 90mins in this heat. I`m more than concerned about the continuation of Nathan T`s red card inviting challenges. I say get rid if a decent offer comes in .
I suppose it`s the same for both sides but I wouldn`t care to play 90mins in this heat. I`m more than concerned about the continuation of Nathan T`s red card inviting challenges. I say get rid if a decent offer comes in . umpcah
  • Score: -1

6:12pm Sat 26 Jul 14

sputnik says...

Glenda huddle, forget football and go back to school you illiterate fool
Glenda huddle, forget football and go back to school you illiterate fool sputnik
  • Score: -6

6:24pm Sat 26 Jul 14

RogerJ1969 says...

The term 'Happy clapper' was coined this time last year I believe to describe those of us glass half full types. Feels about the same to me now, best not to press the panic button I reckon we are in good hands even if not rich hands. Stick with it and get your season tickets if you have not done so yet.
The term 'Happy clapper' was coined this time last year I believe to describe those of us glass half full types. Feels about the same to me now, best not to press the panic button I reckon we are in good hands even if not rich hands. Stick with it and get your season tickets if you have not done so yet. RogerJ1969
  • Score: 22

6:27pm Sat 26 Jul 14

Oi Den! says...

It's doubtful that anyone would have been suggesting we're promotion material if we'd won 6-0 so I don't read anything into a 1-1 draw either. I believe we're weak all over the pitch (goalkeeper excepted) at the moment but a friendly game doesn't prove it. These games are about fitness and teamwork, nothing else. If the pitch and weather are good when we play Scunthorpe and we do nothing more than pass the ball around, we'll know we're in big trouble. That will be the time to get really concerned.
It's doubtful that anyone would have been suggesting we're promotion material if we'd won 6-0 so I don't read anything into a 1-1 draw either. I believe we're weak all over the pitch (goalkeeper excepted) at the moment but a friendly game doesn't prove it. These games are about fitness and teamwork, nothing else. If the pitch and weather are good when we play Scunthorpe and we do nothing more than pass the ball around, we'll know we're in big trouble. That will be the time to get really concerned. Oi Den!
  • Score: 19

6:43pm Sat 26 Jul 14

umpcah says...

Oi Den! wrote:
It's doubtful that anyone would have been suggesting we're promotion material if we'd won 6-0 so I don't read anything into a 1-1 draw either. I believe we're weak all over the pitch (goalkeeper excepted) at the moment but a friendly game doesn't prove it. These games are about fitness and teamwork, nothing else. If the pitch and weather are good when we play Scunthorpe and we do nothing more than pass the ball around, we'll know we're in big trouble. That will be the time to get really concerned.
DEN : Thanks for those comments intended to steady some of us down ! It was b.....y hot today for the lads but as I see it they should all have been busting a gut to justify a starting eleven place on 9th August. I wasn`t at Bromley but feel that several just weren`t doing that.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: It's doubtful that anyone would have been suggesting we're promotion material if we'd won 6-0 so I don't read anything into a 1-1 draw either. I believe we're weak all over the pitch (goalkeeper excepted) at the moment but a friendly game doesn't prove it. These games are about fitness and teamwork, nothing else. If the pitch and weather are good when we play Scunthorpe and we do nothing more than pass the ball around, we'll know we're in big trouble. That will be the time to get really concerned.[/p][/quote]DEN : Thanks for those comments intended to steady some of us down ! It was b.....y hot today for the lads but as I see it they should all have been busting a gut to justify a starting eleven place on 9th August. I wasn`t at Bromley but feel that several just weren`t doing that. umpcah
  • Score: -1

6:43pm Sat 26 Jul 14

port de soller says...

Good work out,again the Doom and Gloom Brigade are out as normal.
What we have now is what we have,hopefully a few more will come in.However why write them off,they will do there best come on true TFC fans do we need this B/s from people who preach doom and gloom??? what is needed get behind what we have end of
Good work out,again the Doom and Gloom Brigade are out as normal. What we have now is what we have,hopefully a few more will come in.However why write them off,they will do there best come on true TFC fans do we need this B/s from people who preach doom and gloom??? what is needed get behind what we have end of port de soller
  • Score: 4

6:55pm Sat 26 Jul 14

LionelHutz says...

One would assume the team coach has air conditioning?
One would assume the team coach has air conditioning? LionelHutz
  • Score: 16

7:45pm Sat 26 Jul 14

Di kanny oh says...

glenda hoddle wrote:
I say agian . I FEAR FOR TOWN. All the happy clapper are kidding themself. All the blind town fans that chanted the ego maniacs name wile he was slaging the best thing that ever happend to this club (andy black). You have got now what you wanted. A club onwed by a man who cant afford to run it. I FEAR FOR US.
How the hell can you write the team off after a few friendly games, talk about panic you are being totally ridiculous as these games tell us nothing at all and we like many other clubs really have to run within our means but having pots of money is no guarantee for success anyway. I like many others will wait and see what team we have at the end of August and Christmas time is the time to see how we are doing to be fair and that is the time to make judgement. I suppose this makes me a happy clapper but what are you on about saying people have got what they wanted what a crock of sh*t.
[quote][p][bold]glenda hoddle[/bold] wrote: I say agian . I FEAR FOR TOWN. All the happy clapper are kidding themself. All the blind town fans that chanted the ego maniacs name wile he was slaging the best thing that ever happend to this club (andy black). You have got now what you wanted. A club onwed by a man who cant afford to run it. I FEAR FOR US.[/p][/quote]How the hell can you write the team off after a few friendly games, talk about panic you are being totally ridiculous as these games tell us nothing at all and we like many other clubs really have to run within our means but having pots of money is no guarantee for success anyway. I like many others will wait and see what team we have at the end of August and Christmas time is the time to see how we are doing to be fair and that is the time to make judgement. I suppose this makes me a happy clapper but what are you on about saying people have got what they wanted what a crock of sh*t. Di kanny oh
  • Score: 9

8:06pm Sat 26 Jul 14

Oi Den! says...

umpcah wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
It's doubtful that anyone would have been suggesting we're promotion material if we'd won 6-0 so I don't read anything into a 1-1 draw either. I believe we're weak all over the pitch (goalkeeper excepted) at the moment but a friendly game doesn't prove it. These games are about fitness and teamwork, nothing else. If the pitch and weather are good when we play Scunthorpe and we do nothing more than pass the ball around, we'll know we're in big trouble. That will be the time to get really concerned.
DEN : Thanks for those comments intended to steady some of us down ! It was b.....y hot today for the lads but as I see it they should all have been busting a gut to justify a starting eleven place on 9th August. I wasn`t at Bromley but feel that several just weren`t doing that.
Not really intended to steady anyone down umpcah, just my view. If we were talking about a competitive game, I'd agree with you about busting a gut. I'd like to think we all hate non-triers. But I don't see it that way with friendlies. To me, they're just training sessions with players from other clubs.
[quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: It's doubtful that anyone would have been suggesting we're promotion material if we'd won 6-0 so I don't read anything into a 1-1 draw either. I believe we're weak all over the pitch (goalkeeper excepted) at the moment but a friendly game doesn't prove it. These games are about fitness and teamwork, nothing else. If the pitch and weather are good when we play Scunthorpe and we do nothing more than pass the ball around, we'll know we're in big trouble. That will be the time to get really concerned.[/p][/quote]DEN : Thanks for those comments intended to steady some of us down ! It was b.....y hot today for the lads but as I see it they should all have been busting a gut to justify a starting eleven place on 9th August. I wasn`t at Bromley but feel that several just weren`t doing that.[/p][/quote]Not really intended to steady anyone down umpcah, just my view. If we were talking about a competitive game, I'd agree with you about busting a gut. I'd like to think we all hate non-triers. But I don't see it that way with friendlies. To me, they're just training sessions with players from other clubs. Oi Den!
  • Score: 4

8:42pm Sat 26 Jul 14

Bart73 says...

No chance get promote next season it will stay at 1 league if best player sold it will be relegated to 2 league !!
No chance get promote next season it will stay at 1 league if best player sold it will be relegated to 2 league !! Bart73
  • Score: -8

8:43pm Sat 26 Jul 14

Oxon-Red says...

After the Black era the spending had to be moderated. I do not believe Lee Power's plan involves us being promoted this season but putting us on a stable footing financially. IMO we need a season of stability, no court cases, no panic over money etc.

Lee is not made of money and I believe we need to accept this for the future of the club. Those slagging Lee off for not having money appear often to be those that will not attend because we have not invested (feel a bit of irony there).

My view, we have a club to support and if you are a supporter you should try to support it whether they are good, bad or indifferent. Friendlies as Den said are immaterial and used for fitness etc did Orient storm the league having beaten Newcastle 7-1 (I think) a few years back ?

Bit of patience required and support (how many join in the STID song ?).

COYMR
After the Black era the spending had to be moderated. I do not believe Lee Power's plan involves us being promoted this season but putting us on a stable footing financially. IMO we need a season of stability, no court cases, no panic over money etc. Lee is not made of money and I believe we need to accept this for the future of the club. Those slagging Lee off for not having money appear often to be those that will not attend because we have not invested (feel a bit of irony there). My view, we have a club to support and if you are a supporter you should try to support it whether they are good, bad or indifferent. Friendlies as Den said are immaterial and used for fitness etc did Orient storm the league having beaten Newcastle 7-1 (I think) a few years back ? Bit of patience required and support (how many join in the STID song ?). COYMR Oxon-Red
  • Score: 30

9:19pm Sat 26 Jul 14

red white says...

We are Swindon,we'll do what we want.

Yooouuu Reds!!
We are Swindon,we'll do what we want. Yooouuu Reds!! red white
  • Score: 4

9:33pm Sat 26 Jul 14

glenda hoddle says...

Oxon-Red wrote:
After the Black era the spending had to be moderated. I do not believe Lee Power's plan involves us being promoted this season but putting us on a stable footing financially. IMO we need a season of stability, no court cases, no panic over money etc.

Lee is not made of money and I believe we need to accept this for the future of the club. Those slagging Lee off for not having money appear often to be those that will not attend because we have not invested (feel a bit of irony there).

My view, we have a club to support and if you are a supporter you should try to support it whether they are good, bad or indifferent. Friendlies as Den said are immaterial and used for fitness etc did Orient storm the league having beaten Newcastle 7-1 (I think) a few years back ?

Bit of patience required and support (how many join in the STID song ?).

COYMR
Im not slaging lee power off at all. Im just stating a fact. He dont have the money to make town competative. We will defo sell at least 1 player for cash. That will weaken the side even more and it is poor now. We only have 15 player . Shambles im afraid.
[quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: After the Black era the spending had to be moderated. I do not believe Lee Power's plan involves us being promoted this season but putting us on a stable footing financially. IMO we need a season of stability, no court cases, no panic over money etc. Lee is not made of money and I believe we need to accept this for the future of the club. Those slagging Lee off for not having money appear often to be those that will not attend because we have not invested (feel a bit of irony there). My view, we have a club to support and if you are a supporter you should try to support it whether they are good, bad or indifferent. Friendlies as Den said are immaterial and used for fitness etc did Orient storm the league having beaten Newcastle 7-1 (I think) a few years back ? Bit of patience required and support (how many join in the STID song ?). COYMR[/p][/quote]Im not slaging lee power off at all. Im just stating a fact. He dont have the money to make town competative. We will defo sell at least 1 player for cash. That will weaken the side even more and it is poor now. We only have 15 player . Shambles im afraid. glenda hoddle
  • Score: -2

9:43pm Sat 26 Jul 14

dazzastfc says...

glenda hoddle wrote:
I say agian . I FEAR FOR TOWN. All the happy clapper are kidding themself. All the blind town fans that chanted the ego maniacs name wile he was slaging the best thing that ever happend to this club (andy black). You have got now what you wanted. A club onwed by a man who cant afford to run it. I FEAR FOR US.
THIS IS NOT FAIR..
When i say things like this last week I GOT -42...

I see cooperman saw loads of positives and said how good we were..
[quote][p][bold]glenda hoddle[/bold] wrote: I say agian . I FEAR FOR TOWN. All the happy clapper are kidding themself. All the blind town fans that chanted the ego maniacs name wile he was slaging the best thing that ever happend to this club (andy black). You have got now what you wanted. A club onwed by a man who cant afford to run it. I FEAR FOR US.[/p][/quote]THIS IS NOT FAIR.. When i say things like this last week I GOT -42... I see cooperman saw loads of positives and said how good we were.. dazzastfc
  • Score: -17

9:43pm Sat 26 Jul 14

dazzastfc says...

glenda hoddle wrote:
I say agian . I FEAR FOR TOWN. All the happy clapper are kidding themself. All the blind town fans that chanted the ego maniacs name wile he was slaging the best thing that ever happend to this club (andy black). You have got now what you wanted. A club onwed by a man who cant afford to run it. I FEAR FOR US.
THIS IS NOT FAIR..
When i say things like this last week I GOT -42...

I see cooperman saw loads of positives and said how good we were..
[quote][p][bold]glenda hoddle[/bold] wrote: I say agian . I FEAR FOR TOWN. All the happy clapper are kidding themself. All the blind town fans that chanted the ego maniacs name wile he was slaging the best thing that ever happend to this club (andy black). You have got now what you wanted. A club onwed by a man who cant afford to run it. I FEAR FOR US.[/p][/quote]THIS IS NOT FAIR.. When i say things like this last week I GOT -42... I see cooperman saw loads of positives and said how good we were.. dazzastfc
  • Score: -16

9:51pm Sat 26 Jul 14

dazzastfc says...

port de soller wrote:
Good work out,again the Doom and Gloom Brigade are out as normal.
What we have now is what we have,hopefully a few more will come in.However why write them off,they will do there best come on true TFC fans do we need this B/s from people who preach doom and gloom??? what is needed get behind what we have end of
I dont think it is down to doom and gloom I think the fans are very very worried..
It is looking at this point very very bleak..
[quote][p][bold]port de soller[/bold] wrote: Good work out,again the Doom and Gloom Brigade are out as normal. What we have now is what we have,hopefully a few more will come in.However why write them off,they will do there best come on true TFC fans do we need this B/s from people who preach doom and gloom??? what is needed get behind what we have end of[/p][/quote]I dont think it is down to doom and gloom I think the fans are very very worried.. It is looking at this point very very bleak.. dazzastfc
  • Score: -12

9:54pm Sat 26 Jul 14

glenda hoddle says...

dazzastfc wrote:
glenda hoddle wrote:
I say agian . I FEAR FOR TOWN. All the happy clapper are kidding themself. All the blind town fans that chanted the ego maniacs name wile he was slaging the best thing that ever happend to this club (andy black). You have got now what you wanted. A club onwed by a man who cant afford to run it. I FEAR FOR US.
THIS IS NOT FAIR..
When i say things like this last week I GOT -42...

I see cooperman saw loads of positives and said how good we were..
I couldnt care less if + or -. Its my opinion that all. iv been going to swindon for donkeys years i mist 17 games last season home and away. Its a worrying time for town imo and fans should be more open minded to whats unfolding in front of there eyes.
[quote][p][bold]dazzastfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]glenda hoddle[/bold] wrote: I say agian . I FEAR FOR TOWN. All the happy clapper are kidding themself. All the blind town fans that chanted the ego maniacs name wile he was slaging the best thing that ever happend to this club (andy black). You have got now what you wanted. A club onwed by a man who cant afford to run it. I FEAR FOR US.[/p][/quote]THIS IS NOT FAIR.. When i say things like this last week I GOT -42... I see cooperman saw loads of positives and said how good we were..[/p][/quote]I couldnt care less if + or -. Its my opinion that all. iv been going to swindon for donkeys years i mist 17 games last season home and away. Its a worrying time for town imo and fans should be more open minded to whats unfolding in front of there eyes. glenda hoddle
  • Score: -1

10:42pm Sat 26 Jul 14

Chish and Fips says...

My god the doomsters are out in force - fair enough if they think that way, just a shame they don't suggest some alternative plans, for financing the Town etc.. All too easy to moan and groan.... They sound like a right load of Albert Tatlocks to me...... :o(
My god the doomsters are out in force - fair enough if they think that way, just a shame they don't suggest some alternative plans, for financing the Town etc.. All too easy to moan and groan.... They sound like a right load of Albert Tatlocks to me...... :o( Chish and Fips
  • Score: 4

10:58pm Sat 26 Jul 14

Oi Den! says...

Chish and Fips wrote:
My god the doomsters are out in force - fair enough if they think that way, just a shame they don't suggest some alternative plans, for financing the Town etc.. All too easy to moan and groan.... They sound like a right load of Albert Tatlocks to me...... :o(
Steady on Chish! It's also very easy to moan at the moaners when you hardly ever see the team play!
[quote][p][bold]Chish and Fips[/bold] wrote: My god the doomsters are out in force - fair enough if they think that way, just a shame they don't suggest some alternative plans, for financing the Town etc.. All too easy to moan and groan.... They sound like a right load of Albert Tatlocks to me...... :o([/p][/quote]Steady on Chish! It's also very easy to moan at the moaners when you hardly ever see the team play! Oi Den!
  • Score: 4

11:20pm Sat 26 Jul 14

Di kanny oh says...

Chish and Fips wrote:
My god the doomsters are out in force - fair enough if they think that way, just a shame they don't suggest some alternative plans, for financing the Town etc.. All too easy to moan and groan.... They sound like a right load of Albert Tatlocks to me...... :o(
Hi Chish how are you mate yes agree and even lots of Victor Mildrews, not sure what some fans think we are sometimes as we are still in Division One which is the old third Division last time I looked. May be some of the moaners need to get a reality check and understand we can't spend 30 million on one player and there are no large investors out there willing to chuck wads of cash at us so once this sinks in may be they will understand our position. Why this is Lee Powers fault I just can't imagine as he has pumped a lot of his own money in just to keep us afloat and he has just fought off a bunch of crooks looking to fleece the club. Lee Power is all we have and thank christ he came along when he did otherwise the moaners would have something to moan at.
[quote][p][bold]Chish and Fips[/bold] wrote: My god the doomsters are out in force - fair enough if they think that way, just a shame they don't suggest some alternative plans, for financing the Town etc.. All too easy to moan and groan.... They sound like a right load of Albert Tatlocks to me...... :o([/p][/quote]Hi Chish how are you mate yes agree and even lots of Victor Mildrews, not sure what some fans think we are sometimes as we are still in Division One which is the old third Division last time I looked. May be some of the moaners need to get a reality check and understand we can't spend 30 million on one player and there are no large investors out there willing to chuck wads of cash at us so once this sinks in may be they will understand our position. Why this is Lee Powers fault I just can't imagine as he has pumped a lot of his own money in just to keep us afloat and he has just fought off a bunch of crooks looking to fleece the club. Lee Power is all we have and thank christ he came along when he did otherwise the moaners would have something to moan at. Di kanny oh
  • Score: 7

12:09am Sun 27 Jul 14

The Nomis says...

Nathon Thompson is going to Peterborough
Nathon Thompson is going to Peterborough The Nomis
  • Score: -9

4:58am Sun 27 Jul 14

mug? says...

Di kanny oh wrote:
Chish and Fips wrote:
My god the doomsters are out in force - fair enough if they think that way, just a shame they don't suggest some alternative plans, for financing the Town etc.. All too easy to moan and groan.... They sound like a right load of Albert Tatlocks to me...... :o(
Hi Chish how are you mate yes agree and even lots of Victor Mildrews, not sure what some fans think we are sometimes as we are still in Division One which is the old third Division last time I looked. May be some of the moaners need to get a reality check and understand we can't spend 30 million on one player and there are no large investors out there willing to chuck wads of cash at us so once this sinks in may be they will understand our position. Why this is Lee Powers fault I just can't imagine as he has pumped a lot of his own money in just to keep us afloat and he has just fought off a bunch of crooks looking to fleece the club. Lee Power is all we have and thank christ he came along when he did otherwise the moaners would have something to moan at.
I think the Victors know we are in Division 3. The problem is that Bromley are in Division 6. If we need £30 million players then there is an even bigger problem.

Maybe we should sign all the Bromley players on loan for the first few months of the season for when it's too hot for our players to bother to perform?

There are many athletes who went out in today's heat and got on with it. Why are Swindon Town players any different?
[quote][p][bold]Di kanny oh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chish and Fips[/bold] wrote: My god the doomsters are out in force - fair enough if they think that way, just a shame they don't suggest some alternative plans, for financing the Town etc.. All too easy to moan and groan.... They sound like a right load of Albert Tatlocks to me...... :o([/p][/quote]Hi Chish how are you mate yes agree and even lots of Victor Mildrews, not sure what some fans think we are sometimes as we are still in Division One which is the old third Division last time I looked. May be some of the moaners need to get a reality check and understand we can't spend 30 million on one player and there are no large investors out there willing to chuck wads of cash at us so once this sinks in may be they will understand our position. Why this is Lee Powers fault I just can't imagine as he has pumped a lot of his own money in just to keep us afloat and he has just fought off a bunch of crooks looking to fleece the club. Lee Power is all we have and thank christ he came along when he did otherwise the moaners would have something to moan at.[/p][/quote]I think the Victors know we are in Division 3. The problem is that Bromley are in Division 6. If we need £30 million players then there is an even bigger problem. Maybe we should sign all the Bromley players on loan for the first few months of the season for when it's too hot for our players to bother to perform? There are many athletes who went out in today's heat and got on with it. Why are Swindon Town players any different? mug?
  • Score: -2

7:05am Sun 27 Jul 14

Paul12001 says...

Negative points from games watched so far:

Look very weak at the back in terms of centre halves & maybe harsh but on first showing yesterday not sure Lelan will be the answer.

Don't think we have enough firepower, Smith may do ok, Williams works hard but not sure he will get enough goals, Waldon still learning the game and Barker shows glimpses of good aspects of play but not sure how consistent he will be.

Positive points from games watched so far:

The change of goalkeeping coach hasn't affected Wes, in fact he's looked very good and confident with his passing at the back and still made good saves. Hopefully he stays for the season and doesn't get sold.

Massimo looks a class act and the World Cup selection must have helped him, just hope his good form doesn't see him depart.

Louis Thompson also looks in great form and with him, Massimo and Yasser with Rodgers as back up I think we look strong in central midfield.


I still believe that there will be some signings before the league starts, I know it's leaving things late but I guess when you are waiting on other clubs such as Southampton or Liverpool or whoever higher up these things can take time. I've said before that although it's easy to get frustrated if we are not winning every week I still maintain that at least by the budget cuts and trying to be more sustainable we have a team to support each week. I for one am prepared to be patient and will continue to support the club whatever the results.
Negative points from games watched so far: Look very weak at the back in terms of centre halves & maybe harsh but on first showing yesterday not sure Lelan will be the answer. Don't think we have enough firepower, Smith may do ok, Williams works hard but not sure he will get enough goals, Waldon still learning the game and Barker shows glimpses of good aspects of play but not sure how consistent he will be. Positive points from games watched so far: The change of goalkeeping coach hasn't affected Wes, in fact he's looked very good and confident with his passing at the back and still made good saves. Hopefully he stays for the season and doesn't get sold. Massimo looks a class act and the World Cup selection must have helped him, just hope his good form doesn't see him depart. Louis Thompson also looks in great form and with him, Massimo and Yasser with Rodgers as back up I think we look strong in central midfield. I still believe that there will be some signings before the league starts, I know it's leaving things late but I guess when you are waiting on other clubs such as Southampton or Liverpool or whoever higher up these things can take time. I've said before that although it's easy to get frustrated if we are not winning every week I still maintain that at least by the budget cuts and trying to be more sustainable we have a team to support each week. I for one am prepared to be patient and will continue to support the club whatever the results. Paul12001
  • Score: 9

7:28am Sun 27 Jul 14

Chish and Fips says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Chish and Fips wrote:
My god the doomsters are out in force - fair enough if they think that way, just a shame they don't suggest some alternative plans, for financing the Town etc.. All too easy to moan and groan.... They sound like a right load of Albert Tatlocks to me...... :o(
Steady on Chish! It's also very easy to moan at the moaners when you hardly ever see the team play!
I wonder if the same applies to them as well !!
Lets have the moans and groans by all means but with substance not this clever dick 'we are doomed statement.' without a ball being kicked yet in earnest.
I don't always see eye to eye with your theories but at least you back up your statement with sensible substance or thoughts. (that is not implying you are a doomster by the way, just an observation)

After the years of going out there and a lot of away games still feel I have STFC at heart, and as I do not comment about games specifically unless I have been out there I cannot see an issue.

I'll avoid the return of a sniping comment but hoping you can see my point.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chish and Fips[/bold] wrote: My god the doomsters are out in force - fair enough if they think that way, just a shame they don't suggest some alternative plans, for financing the Town etc.. All too easy to moan and groan.... They sound like a right load of Albert Tatlocks to me...... :o([/p][/quote]Steady on Chish! It's also very easy to moan at the moaners when you hardly ever see the team play![/p][/quote]I wonder if the same applies to them as well !! Lets have the moans and groans by all means but with substance not this clever dick 'we are doomed statement.' without a ball being kicked yet in earnest. I don't always see eye to eye with your theories but at least you back up your statement with sensible substance or thoughts. (that is not implying you are a doomster by the way, just an observation) After the years of going out there and a lot of away games still feel I have STFC at heart, and as I do not comment about games specifically unless I have been out there I cannot see an issue. I'll avoid the return of a sniping comment but hoping you can see my point. Chish and Fips
  • Score: 0

7:46am Sun 27 Jul 14

ciclosporindorset says...

Before the season starts, I put the probability of stfc signing more than one addition at more than 0.5. Similarly the probability of one or more key players leaving I rate at less than 0.5. Furthermore, I place the probability of stfc remaining in L1 greater than 0.5 this year, with odds of promotion similar to relegation, 0.25 each ie it's anybody's guess. I predict the club will make a small loss this year but at its end the club will have extended the contracts of several important players. Most importantly, Harry Agombar will not be at the club. Given the nature of most fans, 80% of fans will have never read this column, of the remaining 20% only 10% will have contributed. If questioned the remaining 90% will state its because of the intense boolocks 95% of commentators write. Of the 200 regular contributors only 2% write any sense at all and know what they are talking about. I intend to run a competition on these pages of who you think that is. My starter for 10 is me, yes me, Ciclosporindorset. Yes, I am that man, the one who is always right, never wrong, fully informed and who never makes a spelling mistake or write boolocks on this site. Oh........boolocks, I just did.****.
Before the season starts, I put the probability of stfc signing more than one addition at more than 0.5. Similarly the probability of one or more key players leaving I rate at less than 0.5. Furthermore, I place the probability of stfc remaining in L1 greater than 0.5 this year, with odds of promotion similar to relegation, 0.25 each ie it's anybody's guess. I predict the club will make a small loss this year but at its end the club will have extended the contracts of several important players. Most importantly, Harry Agombar will not be at the club. Given the nature of most fans, 80% of fans will have never read this column, of the remaining 20% only 10% will have contributed. If questioned the remaining 90% will state its because of the intense boolocks 95% of commentators write. Of the 200 regular contributors only 2% write any sense at all and know what they are talking about. I intend to run a competition on these pages of who you think that is. My starter for 10 is me, yes me, Ciclosporindorset. Yes, I am that man, the one who is always right, never wrong, fully informed and who never makes a spelling mistake or write boolocks on this site. Oh........boolocks, I just did.****. ciclosporindorset
  • Score: 7

7:47am Sun 27 Jul 14

Chish and Fips says...

Di kanny oh wrote:
Chish and Fips wrote:
My god the doomsters are out in force - fair enough if they think that way, just a shame they don't suggest some alternative plans, for financing the Town etc.. All too easy to moan and groan.... They sound like a right load of Albert Tatlocks to me...... :o(
Hi Chish how are you mate yes agree and even lots of Victor Mildrews, not sure what some fans think we are sometimes as we are still in Division One which is the old third Division last time I looked. May be some of the moaners need to get a reality check and understand we can't spend 30 million on one player and there are no large investors out there willing to chuck wads of cash at us so once this sinks in may be they will understand our position. Why this is Lee Powers fault I just can't imagine as he has pumped a lot of his own money in just to keep us afloat and he has just fought off a bunch of crooks looking to fleece the club. Lee Power is all we have and thank christ he came along when he did otherwise the moaners would have something to moan at.
Morning DKO - hope you are well - yes I just get a bit wound up with the one liners 'we are doomed ' brigade - and with all we have been though yet again, it sometimes surprises me we still have a club let alone a L1 one.
There may be trouble ahead (sure there's a song in that line somewhere) but all this is going to take a while to sort, no longer do we have the PDC perm any 2 players from the 12 bought situation and then fall out with 5 and send the other 5 out on loan. It's going to have to be done on a shoe string budget and hopefully the club will stay afloat.
With these youngsters a lot will depend on confidence and if we can get a few league wins under our belt it could work out, probably a roller coaster ride again, but lets see eh, before slating players and manager.
Not sure what choice we have anyway ... unless some huge investor comes alone - that will open another nervous discussion I expect .
[quote][p][bold]Di kanny oh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chish and Fips[/bold] wrote: My god the doomsters are out in force - fair enough if they think that way, just a shame they don't suggest some alternative plans, for financing the Town etc.. All too easy to moan and groan.... They sound like a right load of Albert Tatlocks to me...... :o([/p][/quote]Hi Chish how are you mate yes agree and even lots of Victor Mildrews, not sure what some fans think we are sometimes as we are still in Division One which is the old third Division last time I looked. May be some of the moaners need to get a reality check and understand we can't spend 30 million on one player and there are no large investors out there willing to chuck wads of cash at us so once this sinks in may be they will understand our position. Why this is Lee Powers fault I just can't imagine as he has pumped a lot of his own money in just to keep us afloat and he has just fought off a bunch of crooks looking to fleece the club. Lee Power is all we have and thank christ he came along when he did otherwise the moaners would have something to moan at.[/p][/quote]Morning DKO - hope you are well - yes I just get a bit wound up with the one liners 'we are doomed ' brigade - and with all we have been though yet again, it sometimes surprises me we still have a club let alone a L1 one. There may be trouble ahead (sure there's a song in that line somewhere) but all this is going to take a while to sort, no longer do we have the PDC perm any 2 players from the 12 bought situation and then fall out with 5 and send the other 5 out on loan. It's going to have to be done on a shoe string budget and hopefully the club will stay afloat. With these youngsters a lot will depend on confidence and if we can get a few league wins under our belt it could work out, probably a roller coaster ride again, but lets see eh, before slating players and manager. Not sure what choice we have anyway ... unless some huge investor comes alone - that will open another nervous discussion I expect . Chish and Fips
  • Score: -1

7:56am Sun 27 Jul 14

Chish and Fips says...

ciclosporindorset wrote:
Before the season starts, I put the probability of stfc signing more than one addition at more than 0.5. Similarly the probability of one or more key players leaving I rate at less than 0.5. Furthermore, I place the probability of stfc remaining in L1 greater than 0.5 this year, with odds of promotion similar to relegation, 0.25 each ie it's anybody's guess. I predict the club will make a small loss this year but at its end the club will have extended the contracts of several important players. Most importantly, Harry Agombar will not be at the club. Given the nature of most fans, 80% of fans will have never read this column, of the remaining 20% only 10% will have contributed. If questioned the remaining 90% will state its because of the intense boolocks 95% of commentators write. Of the 200 regular contributors only 2% write any sense at all and know what they are talking about. I intend to run a competition on these pages of who you think that is. My starter for 10 is me, yes me, Ciclosporindorset. Yes, I am that man, the one who is always right, never wrong, fully informed and who never makes a spelling mistake or write boolocks on this site. Oh........boolocks, I just did.****.
Stay off the Cider Ciclo - it's pickling your grey matter :o)

Probably my pickled brain too, but not sure what the 0.5 or 0.25 means or is related to. 1, 10 or 100 ?
[quote][p][bold]ciclosporindorset[/bold] wrote: Before the season starts, I put the probability of stfc signing more than one addition at more than 0.5. Similarly the probability of one or more key players leaving I rate at less than 0.5. Furthermore, I place the probability of stfc remaining in L1 greater than 0.5 this year, with odds of promotion similar to relegation, 0.25 each ie it's anybody's guess. I predict the club will make a small loss this year but at its end the club will have extended the contracts of several important players. Most importantly, Harry Agombar will not be at the club. Given the nature of most fans, 80% of fans will have never read this column, of the remaining 20% only 10% will have contributed. If questioned the remaining 90% will state its because of the intense boolocks 95% of commentators write. Of the 200 regular contributors only 2% write any sense at all and know what they are talking about. I intend to run a competition on these pages of who you think that is. My starter for 10 is me, yes me, Ciclosporindorset. Yes, I am that man, the one who is always right, never wrong, fully informed and who never makes a spelling mistake or write boolocks on this site. Oh........boolocks, I just did.****.[/p][/quote]Stay off the Cider Ciclo - it's pickling your grey matter :o) Probably my pickled brain too, but not sure what the 0.5 or 0.25 means or is related to. 1, 10 or 100 ? Chish and Fips
  • Score: 1

7:57am Sun 27 Jul 14

ciclosporindorset says...

On a less serious note, perhaps the club should invest in a quality, defensive coach! Odds of getting one. P=0.001.
On a less serious note, perhaps the club should invest in a quality, defensive coach! Odds of getting one. P=0.001. ciclosporindorset
  • Score: 0

8:01am Sun 27 Jul 14

ciclosporindorset says...

Chish and Fips wrote:
ciclosporindorset wrote:
Before the season starts, I put the probability of stfc signing more than one addition at more than 0.5. Similarly the probability of one or more key players leaving I rate at less than 0.5. Furthermore, I place the probability of stfc remaining in L1 greater than 0.5 this year, with odds of promotion similar to relegation, 0.25 each ie it's anybody's guess. I predict the club will make a small loss this year but at its end the club will have extended the contracts of several important players. Most importantly, Harry Agombar will not be at the club. Given the nature of most fans, 80% of fans will have never read this column, of the remaining 20% only 10% will have contributed. If questioned the remaining 90% will state its because of the intense boolocks 95% of commentators write. Of the 200 regular contributors only 2% write any sense at all and know what they are talking about. I intend to run a competition on these pages of who you think that is. My starter for 10 is me, yes me, Ciclosporindorset. Yes, I am that man, the one who is always right, never wrong, fully informed and who never makes a spelling mistake or write boolocks on this site. Oh........boolocks, I just did.****.
Stay off the Cider Ciclo - it's pickling your grey matter :o)

Probably my pickled brain too, but not sure what the 0.5 or 0.25 means or is related to. 1, 10 or 100 ?
P=1 completely certain. P= 0 completely impossible. P < 0.05 statistically significant. Actually Chisholm, this is the sharpest I have been for a long time but thanks for your concern.
[quote][p][bold]Chish and Fips[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ciclosporindorset[/bold] wrote: Before the season starts, I put the probability of stfc signing more than one addition at more than 0.5. Similarly the probability of one or more key players leaving I rate at less than 0.5. Furthermore, I place the probability of stfc remaining in L1 greater than 0.5 this year, with odds of promotion similar to relegation, 0.25 each ie it's anybody's guess. I predict the club will make a small loss this year but at its end the club will have extended the contracts of several important players. Most importantly, Harry Agombar will not be at the club. Given the nature of most fans, 80% of fans will have never read this column, of the remaining 20% only 10% will have contributed. If questioned the remaining 90% will state its because of the intense boolocks 95% of commentators write. Of the 200 regular contributors only 2% write any sense at all and know what they are talking about. I intend to run a competition on these pages of who you think that is. My starter for 10 is me, yes me, Ciclosporindorset. Yes, I am that man, the one who is always right, never wrong, fully informed and who never makes a spelling mistake or write boolocks on this site. Oh........boolocks, I just did.****.[/p][/quote]Stay off the Cider Ciclo - it's pickling your grey matter :o) Probably my pickled brain too, but not sure what the 0.5 or 0.25 means or is related to. 1, 10 or 100 ?[/p][/quote]P=1 completely certain. P= 0 completely impossible. P < 0.05 statistically significant. Actually Chisholm, this is the sharpest I have been for a long time but thanks for your concern. ciclosporindorset
  • Score: 0

8:26am Sun 27 Jul 14

TheDukeOfBanbury says...

I have a season ticket and will be following the Town but I am worried about this season.
2 weeks away with serious gaps in the squad.

The team today is weaker than last seasons.

It is what is is though and hopefully a few more signings to follow.
Hopefully I will be proved wrong as I was last year but I am not confident.
I have a season ticket and will be following the Town but I am worried about this season. 2 weeks away with serious gaps in the squad. The team today is weaker than last seasons. It is what is is though and hopefully a few more signings to follow. Hopefully I will be proved wrong as I was last year but I am not confident. TheDukeOfBanbury
  • Score: 3

8:52am Sun 27 Jul 14

umpcah says...

The Nomis wrote:
Nathon Thompson is going to Peterborough
When ?
[quote][p][bold]The Nomis[/bold] wrote: Nathon Thompson is going to Peterborough[/p][/quote]When ? umpcah
  • Score: 0

9:17am Sun 27 Jul 14

The Nomis says...

umpcah wrote:
The Nomis wrote: Nathon Thompson is going to Peterborough
When ?
Soon....watch this space. He's gonna be a Peterborough United player
[quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Nomis[/bold] wrote: Nathon Thompson is going to Peterborough[/p][/quote]When ?[/p][/quote]Soon....watch this space. He's gonna be a Peterborough United player The Nomis
  • Score: -4

9:23am Sun 27 Jul 14

Redgollum says...

ciclosporindorset wrote:
On a less serious note, perhaps the club should invest in a quality, defensive coach! Odds of getting one. P=0.001.
Get a big one & park it in front of our goal!
[quote][p][bold]ciclosporindorset[/bold] wrote: On a less serious note, perhaps the club should invest in a quality, defensive coach! Odds of getting one. P=0.001.[/p][/quote]Get a big one & park it in front of our goal! Redgollum
  • Score: 0

9:30am Sun 27 Jul 14

Psychedelic Syd says...

Very poor match indeed yesterday. Luongo apart, most of our players looked like they couldn't be bothered. The defence was laughable, Bromley tore them to pieces 2nd half and should have scored a hatful. Wilma and Smith weak and ineffectual, Bromley's defenders soon clocked that they could be bullied off the ball with ease. Kasim was slow and must have been watching too many Butch Wilkins clips judging by the number of sideways and backward passes he made. Anton Rodgers looked OK when he first came on but faded fast, he is also very one footed so not convinced by him. Leland showed some reasonable touches but is still green. Nathan Byrne saw lots of the ball but couldn't get past their full back. Barthram, who I have seen play some reasonable matches, was diabolical. Couldn't cross the ball to save his life. Wes was his usual dependable self thank goodness.
I'm usually a happy clapping optimist but unless we get the defence and attack sorted with players coming in, we are in for a long hard season. Our build up play is so slow that by the time the ball gets in the box it is packed with defenders. Excruciating. I'll be there for Leeds but we'll need a 100% improvement on this performance.
Very poor match indeed yesterday. Luongo apart, most of our players looked like they couldn't be bothered. The defence was laughable, Bromley tore them to pieces 2nd half and should have scored a hatful. Wilma and Smith weak and ineffectual, Bromley's defenders soon clocked that they could be bullied off the ball with ease. Kasim was slow and must have been watching too many Butch Wilkins clips judging by the number of sideways and backward passes he made. Anton Rodgers looked OK when he first came on but faded fast, he is also very one footed so not convinced by him. Leland showed some reasonable touches but is still green. Nathan Byrne saw lots of the ball but couldn't get past their full back. Barthram, who I have seen play some reasonable matches, was diabolical. Couldn't cross the ball to save his life. Wes was his usual dependable self thank goodness. I'm usually a happy clapping optimist but unless we get the defence and attack sorted with players coming in, we are in for a long hard season. Our build up play is so slow that by the time the ball gets in the box it is packed with defenders. Excruciating. I'll be there for Leeds but we'll need a 100% improvement on this performance. Psychedelic Syd
  • Score: 4

10:03am Sun 27 Jul 14

umpcah says...

Psychedelic Syd wrote:
Very poor match indeed yesterday. Luongo apart, most of our players looked like they couldn't be bothered. The defence was laughable, Bromley tore them to pieces 2nd half and should have scored a hatful. Wilma and Smith weak and ineffectual, Bromley's defenders soon clocked that they could be bullied off the ball with ease. Kasim was slow and must have been watching too many Butch Wilkins clips judging by the number of sideways and backward passes he made. Anton Rodgers looked OK when he first came on but faded fast, he is also very one footed so not convinced by him. Leland showed some reasonable touches but is still green. Nathan Byrne saw lots of the ball but couldn't get past their full back. Barthram, who I have seen play some reasonable matches, was diabolical. Couldn't cross the ball to save his life. Wes was his usual dependable self thank goodness.
I'm usually a happy clapping optimist but unless we get the defence and attack sorted with players coming in, we are in for a long hard season. Our build up play is so slow that by the time the ball gets in the box it is packed with defenders. Excruciating. I'll be there for Leeds but we'll need a 100% improvement on this performance.
" Our build up play is so slow that by the time the ball gets in the box it is packed with defenders " . This has been the case for a long time ! On the odd occasion of an unexpected rebound or defensive miskick we`ve no striker capable of scoring in a one to one situation with an advancing goalie - not since the sacking of youknowwho !
[quote][p][bold]Psychedelic Syd[/bold] wrote: Very poor match indeed yesterday. Luongo apart, most of our players looked like they couldn't be bothered. The defence was laughable, Bromley tore them to pieces 2nd half and should have scored a hatful. Wilma and Smith weak and ineffectual, Bromley's defenders soon clocked that they could be bullied off the ball with ease. Kasim was slow and must have been watching too many Butch Wilkins clips judging by the number of sideways and backward passes he made. Anton Rodgers looked OK when he first came on but faded fast, he is also very one footed so not convinced by him. Leland showed some reasonable touches but is still green. Nathan Byrne saw lots of the ball but couldn't get past their full back. Barthram, who I have seen play some reasonable matches, was diabolical. Couldn't cross the ball to save his life. Wes was his usual dependable self thank goodness. I'm usually a happy clapping optimist but unless we get the defence and attack sorted with players coming in, we are in for a long hard season. Our build up play is so slow that by the time the ball gets in the box it is packed with defenders. Excruciating. I'll be there for Leeds but we'll need a 100% improvement on this performance.[/p][/quote]" Our build up play is so slow that by the time the ball gets in the box it is packed with defenders " . This has been the case for a long time ! On the odd occasion of an unexpected rebound or defensive miskick we`ve no striker capable of scoring in a one to one situation with an advancing goalie - not since the sacking of youknowwho ! umpcah
  • Score: 4

10:07am Sun 27 Jul 14

the don69 says...

Worried, anxious,troubled,con
cerned,preturbed,une
asy,fretful,edgy,ten
se,agitated, nervous! that Power&Coops is how you both should be feeling about the new season and if your not, I know Power lives in Cookoo land but you both must be deluding yourselfs!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!
Worried, anxious,troubled,con cerned,preturbed,une asy,fretful,edgy,ten se,agitated, nervous! that Power&Coops is how you both should be feeling about the new season and if your not, I know Power lives in Cookoo land but you both must be deluding yourselfs!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!! the don69
  • Score: 6

10:17am Sun 27 Jul 14

Oi Den! says...

Chish and Fips wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Chish and Fips wrote:
My god the doomsters are out in force - fair enough if they think that way, just a shame they don't suggest some alternative plans, for financing the Town etc.. All too easy to moan and groan.... They sound like a right load of Albert Tatlocks to me...... :o(
Steady on Chish! It's also very easy to moan at the moaners when you hardly ever see the team play!
I wonder if the same applies to them as well !!
Lets have the moans and groans by all means but with substance not this clever dick 'we are doomed statement.' without a ball being kicked yet in earnest.
I don't always see eye to eye with your theories but at least you back up your statement with sensible substance or thoughts. (that is not implying you are a doomster by the way, just an observation)

After the years of going out there and a lot of away games still feel I have STFC at heart, and as I do not comment about games specifically unless I have been out there I cannot see an issue.

I'll avoid the return of a sniping comment but hoping you can see my point.
Of course I can see your point Chish. In fact I'm partly in agreement with it. But the "doomsters" have a point too. They see that we're two weeks from the start of the season and they have formed an opinion - presumably from watching our players last season - of the strengths and weaknesses of our squad. You may have very good reasons for not being able to get to matches or you may just choose not to go. Whichever it is, it's a personal thing that you don't have to explain to anyone. As a general principle though, presumably you would agree that people who watch the team week in week out are better placed to form a view of the squad than those who rely on secondhand reports? We all see games differently after all.
[quote][p][bold]Chish and Fips[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chish and Fips[/bold] wrote: My god the doomsters are out in force - fair enough if they think that way, just a shame they don't suggest some alternative plans, for financing the Town etc.. All too easy to moan and groan.... They sound like a right load of Albert Tatlocks to me...... :o([/p][/quote]Steady on Chish! It's also very easy to moan at the moaners when you hardly ever see the team play![/p][/quote]I wonder if the same applies to them as well !! Lets have the moans and groans by all means but with substance not this clever dick 'we are doomed statement.' without a ball being kicked yet in earnest. I don't always see eye to eye with your theories but at least you back up your statement with sensible substance or thoughts. (that is not implying you are a doomster by the way, just an observation) After the years of going out there and a lot of away games still feel I have STFC at heart, and as I do not comment about games specifically unless I have been out there I cannot see an issue. I'll avoid the return of a sniping comment but hoping you can see my point.[/p][/quote]Of course I can see your point Chish. In fact I'm partly in agreement with it. But the "doomsters" have a point too. They see that we're two weeks from the start of the season and they have formed an opinion - presumably from watching our players last season - of the strengths and weaknesses of our squad. You may have very good reasons for not being able to get to matches or you may just choose not to go. Whichever it is, it's a personal thing that you don't have to explain to anyone. As a general principle though, presumably you would agree that people who watch the team week in week out are better placed to form a view of the squad than those who rely on secondhand reports? We all see games differently after all. Oi Den!
  • Score: 1

10:17am Sun 27 Jul 14

STFC Boyo says...

Y don't u just give Swindon Town a chance.League not started yet & just from the friendly u can tell now Swindon Town will finish at the end of the season.
Y don't u just give Swindon Town a chance.League not started yet & just from the friendly u can tell now Swindon Town will finish at the end of the season. STFC Boyo
  • Score: -1

10:28am Sun 27 Jul 14

swwindon61uk says...

Weston Super Mare beat Bristol City, so that's them relegated also then!!!
Weston Super Mare beat Bristol City, so that's them relegated also then!!! swwindon61uk
  • Score: 4

10:35am Sun 27 Jul 14

old town robin says...

Going by the report what would concern me is we have now had two poor performances on the road (0-2 at Eastleigh) to add to this performance would suggest once again we are going to have to rely on strong home performances to compensate for below par away games.

Can someone who regularly watches us away from home, please explain why the team seem to be fodder as soon as they get on a bus, because going on last season I can't fathom it out why they they can do the business at home but don't play with any heart on the road.

Other than some of the strange combinations last season (4-6-0), they are basically the same players and there must be a logical reason why we allow opposition so much space to play as they will.

Not a doomster, just a concerned fan that we might not have learned anything from where we went wrong last season.
Going by the report what would concern me is we have now had two poor performances on the road (0-2 at Eastleigh) to add to this performance would suggest once again we are going to have to rely on strong home performances to compensate for below par away games. Can someone who regularly watches us away from home, please explain why the team seem to be fodder as soon as they get on a bus, because going on last season I can't fathom it out why they they can do the business at home but don't play with any heart on the road. Other than some of the strange combinations last season (4-6-0), they are basically the same players and there must be a logical reason why we allow opposition so much space to play as they will. Not a doomster, just a concerned fan that we might not have learned anything from where we went wrong last season. old town robin
  • Score: 1

10:35am Sun 27 Jul 14

umpcah says...

The Nomis wrote:
umpcah wrote:
The Nomis wrote: Nathon Thompson is going to Peterborough
When ?
Soon....watch this space. He's gonna be a Peterborough United player
In that case he`ll probably be the first Posh player to be booked this season !
[quote][p][bold]The Nomis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Nomis[/bold] wrote: Nathon Thompson is going to Peterborough[/p][/quote]When ?[/p][/quote]Soon....watch this space. He's gonna be a Peterborough United player[/p][/quote]In that case he`ll probably be the first Posh player to be booked this season ! umpcah
  • Score: -2

10:36am Sun 27 Jul 14

Davidsyrett says...

It's a friendly!! Makes no difference to what happens in the league. Same as if we had won 7-0 (I remember the FA Cup win against them all those years ago), we wouldn't suddenly be favourites to win the league.

It seems as if Nathan might well be on his way, rumoured on twitter Posh have bid £700K. If correct cannot turn down that sort of money. Reinvested in the team, we would be a lot stronger than if we kept Thommo.
It's a friendly!! Makes no difference to what happens in the league. Same as if we had won 7-0 (I remember the FA Cup win against them all those years ago), we wouldn't suddenly be favourites to win the league. It seems as if Nathan might well be on his way, rumoured on twitter Posh have bid £700K. If correct cannot turn down that sort of money. Reinvested in the team, we would be a lot stronger than if we kept Thommo. Davidsyrett
  • Score: 6

10:38am Sun 27 Jul 14

the wizard says...

The Nomis wrote:
Nathon Thompson is going to Peterborough
Says who ??????? Proof ?????
[quote][p][bold]The Nomis[/bold] wrote: Nathon Thompson is going to Peterborough[/p][/quote]Says who ??????? Proof ????? the wizard
  • Score: 0

10:38am Sun 27 Jul 14

Davidsyrett says...

swwindon61uk wrote:
Weston Super Mare beat Bristol City, so that's them relegated also then!!!
Exactly! pointless to draw any conclusions from friendly matches. Lets see where we are after 10 games of the season.
[quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: Weston Super Mare beat Bristol City, so that's them relegated also then!!![/p][/quote]Exactly! pointless to draw any conclusions from friendly matches. Lets see where we are after 10 games of the season. Davidsyrett
  • Score: 4

10:39am Sun 27 Jul 14

Davidsyrett says...

the wizard wrote:
The Nomis wrote:
Nathon Thompson is going to Peterborough
Says who ??????? Proof ?????
On Sky Sports.
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Nomis[/bold] wrote: Nathon Thompson is going to Peterborough[/p][/quote]Says who ??????? Proof ?????[/p][/quote]On Sky Sports. Davidsyrett
  • Score: 1

10:53am Sun 27 Jul 14

dazzastfc says...

Davidsyrett wrote:
the wizard wrote:
The Nomis wrote:
Nathon Thompson is going to Peterborough
Says who ??????? Proof ?????
On Sky Sports.
I Thought Nathan Thompson was happy and wanted to stay...
THIS WILL BE A MASSIVE BLOW TO ARE ALREADY DEPLETED FIRST TEAM..

I wonder if they have anyone lined up to replace him and the rest who are off
[quote][p][bold]Davidsyrett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Nomis[/bold] wrote: Nathon Thompson is going to Peterborough[/p][/quote]Says who ??????? Proof ?????[/p][/quote]On Sky Sports.[/p][/quote]I Thought Nathan Thompson was happy and wanted to stay... THIS WILL BE A MASSIVE BLOW TO ARE ALREADY DEPLETED FIRST TEAM.. I wonder if they have anyone lined up to replace him and the rest who are off dazzastfc
  • Score: -8

11:00am Sun 27 Jul 14

the wizard says...

glenda hoddle wrote:
Oxon-Red wrote:
After the Black era the spending had to be moderated. I do not believe Lee Power's plan involves us being promoted this season but putting us on a stable footing financially. IMO we need a season of stability, no court cases, no panic over money etc.

Lee is not made of money and I believe we need to accept this for the future of the club. Those slagging Lee off for not having money appear often to be those that will not attend because we have not invested (feel a bit of irony there).

My view, we have a club to support and if you are a supporter you should try to support it whether they are good, bad or indifferent. Friendlies as Den said are immaterial and used for fitness etc did Orient storm the league having beaten Newcastle 7-1 (I think) a few years back ?

Bit of patience required and support (how many join in the STID song ?).

COYMR
Im not slaging lee power off at all. Im just stating a fact. He dont have the money to make town competative. We will defo sell at least 1 player for cash. That will weaken the side even more and it is poor now. We only have 15 player . Shambles im afraid.
Shambles ?? really ??? are you aware of who/clubs Power has been talking to about possible incoming players, and at what date they will be released, Ahhhhhhhh, NO. Has the League Season started yet, 'er no, have Cooper and Power finalized their preferred starting eleven ?, well no, why ? because others players will be incoming so the line up will be different. Are we still assessing players, well it seems so. So in all, work is still being done to bring the team together and we are still reliant as many other clubs in other deals being concluded so players can be released in our direction. Is this unique ?, well no, as many other clubs are in exactly the same position as us. All this happens year after year, and still some people don't get it. We cannot sustain a large squad of players, each player now will be expected to do more through the season in supporting the first eleven, and I dare say subs will be tactically used to help prevent some players becoming tired due to shear number of games being played. If you think you can do things any better then may I suggest you drop Power a line pointing out the short comings of his tenure as owner.

Quite how that is a shambles I and many others don't know, so please explain.

We are lucky to still have a club to support, and before leveling soft criticism, doom and despondency some would do well to remember that first. No the situation isn't perfect but its a lot better than ground sharing at some very lower league level which would have happened quite soon if Power hadn't grasped the reigns. He may not be perfect but he is a far better option than what was on offer. Black didn't leave a car crash, he left a motorway multi car pile-up. If this is what we have to do for a few seasons, until the club can generate more income then surely its a pain worth suffering. If you want to watch pretty boys on shed loads of money, there are plenty in the Premier League. If you go there I'm sure your sceptical analysis will be very welcome. Not.
[quote][p][bold]glenda hoddle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: After the Black era the spending had to be moderated. I do not believe Lee Power's plan involves us being promoted this season but putting us on a stable footing financially. IMO we need a season of stability, no court cases, no panic over money etc. Lee is not made of money and I believe we need to accept this for the future of the club. Those slagging Lee off for not having money appear often to be those that will not attend because we have not invested (feel a bit of irony there). My view, we have a club to support and if you are a supporter you should try to support it whether they are good, bad or indifferent. Friendlies as Den said are immaterial and used for fitness etc did Orient storm the league having beaten Newcastle 7-1 (I think) a few years back ? Bit of patience required and support (how many join in the STID song ?). COYMR[/p][/quote]Im not slaging lee power off at all. Im just stating a fact. He dont have the money to make town competative. We will defo sell at least 1 player for cash. That will weaken the side even more and it is poor now. We only have 15 player . Shambles im afraid.[/p][/quote]Shambles ?? really ??? are you aware of who/clubs Power has been talking to about possible incoming players, and at what date they will be released, Ahhhhhhhh, NO. Has the League Season started yet, 'er no, have Cooper and Power finalized their preferred starting eleven ?, well no, why ? because others players will be incoming so the line up will be different. Are we still assessing players, well it seems so. So in all, work is still being done to bring the team together and we are still reliant as many other clubs in other deals being concluded so players can be released in our direction. Is this unique ?, well no, as many other clubs are in exactly the same position as us. All this happens year after year, and still some people don't get it. We cannot sustain a large squad of players, each player now will be expected to do more through the season in supporting the first eleven, and I dare say subs will be tactically used to help prevent some players becoming tired due to shear number of games being played. If you think you can do things any better then may I suggest you drop Power a line pointing out the short comings of his tenure as owner. Quite how that is a shambles I and many others don't know, so please explain. We are lucky to still have a club to support, and before leveling soft criticism, doom and despondency some would do well to remember that first. No the situation isn't perfect but its a lot better than ground sharing at some very lower league level which would have happened quite soon if Power hadn't grasped the reigns. He may not be perfect but he is a far better option than what was on offer. Black didn't leave a car crash, he left a motorway multi car pile-up. If this is what we have to do for a few seasons, until the club can generate more income then surely its a pain worth suffering. If you want to watch pretty boys on shed loads of money, there are plenty in the Premier League. If you go there I'm sure your sceptical analysis will be very welcome. Not. the wizard
  • Score: -7

11:05am Sun 27 Jul 14

Lambourn Red says...

This has already been reported as a non story with the Posh chairman saying it is absolute rubbish. They have just signed a right back for decent money from rovers so I can't see them laying out more money for the same position. I guess all the doom mongers will latch onto the story and tell us that we are heading to the conference and oblivion, I really can't wait for the season to start so that we can focus on some real football and not some meaningless friendly against a non league side who will treat it as a cup final.
This has already been reported as a non story with the Posh chairman saying it is absolute rubbish. They have just signed a right back for decent money from rovers so I can't see them laying out more money for the same position. I guess all the doom mongers will latch onto the story and tell us that we are heading to the conference and oblivion, I really can't wait for the season to start so that we can focus on some real football and not some meaningless friendly against a non league side who will treat it as a cup final. Lambourn Red
  • Score: 0

11:07am Sun 27 Jul 14

swwindon61uk says...

If Peterborough are offering £700,000 we can not that money down for him, it is a lot more than he is worth IMO and like stated above if that money goes back into the team we could get stronger all round.
The court case we had in June/July certainly put us behind when it came ro signing players.
If Peterborough are offering £700,000 we can not that money down for him, it is a lot more than he is worth IMO and like stated above if that money goes back into the team we could get stronger all round. The court case we had in June/July certainly put us behind when it came ro signing players. swwindon61uk
  • Score: 0

12:06pm Sun 27 Jul 14

umpcah says...

Lambourn Red wrote:
This has already been reported as a non story with the Posh chairman saying it is absolute rubbish. They have just signed a right back for decent money from rovers so I can't see them laying out more money for the same position. I guess all the doom mongers will latch onto the story and tell us that we are heading to the conference and oblivion, I really can't wait for the season to start so that we can focus on some real football and not some meaningless friendly against a non league side who will treat it as a cup final.
" They have just signed a right back for decent money from Rovers " - Decent money - for a Conference former Fourth Division player ? It`s a fact that Michael Smith has joined Posh but I doubt that an impressive sum was paid. Nathan is thought to be a versatile defender so could still interest Posh and statements made by Chairmen are not always - well you know what I mean !
[quote][p][bold]Lambourn Red[/bold] wrote: This has already been reported as a non story with the Posh chairman saying it is absolute rubbish. They have just signed a right back for decent money from rovers so I can't see them laying out more money for the same position. I guess all the doom mongers will latch onto the story and tell us that we are heading to the conference and oblivion, I really can't wait for the season to start so that we can focus on some real football and not some meaningless friendly against a non league side who will treat it as a cup final.[/p][/quote]" They have just signed a right back for decent money from Rovers " - Decent money - for a Conference former Fourth Division player ? It`s a fact that Michael Smith has joined Posh but I doubt that an impressive sum was paid. Nathan is thought to be a versatile defender so could still interest Posh and statements made by Chairmen are not always - well you know what I mean ! umpcah
  • Score: 1

12:46pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Oi Den! says...

the wizard wrote:
glenda hoddle wrote:
Oxon-Red wrote:
After the Black era the spending had to be moderated. I do not believe Lee Power's plan involves us being promoted this season but putting us on a stable footing financially. IMO we need a season of stability, no court cases, no panic over money etc.

Lee is not made of money and I believe we need to accept this for the future of the club. Those slagging Lee off for not having money appear often to be those that will not attend because we have not invested (feel a bit of irony there).

My view, we have a club to support and if you are a supporter you should try to support it whether they are good, bad or indifferent. Friendlies as Den said are immaterial and used for fitness etc did Orient storm the league having beaten Newcastle 7-1 (I think) a few years back ?

Bit of patience required and support (how many join in the STID song ?).

COYMR
Im not slaging lee power off at all. Im just stating a fact. He dont have the money to make town competative. We will defo sell at least 1 player for cash. That will weaken the side even more and it is poor now. We only have 15 player . Shambles im afraid.
Shambles ?? really ??? are you aware of who/clubs Power has been talking to about possible incoming players, and at what date they will be released, Ahhhhhhhh, NO. Has the League Season started yet, 'er no, have Cooper and Power finalized their preferred starting eleven ?, well no, why ? because others players will be incoming so the line up will be different. Are we still assessing players, well it seems so. So in all, work is still being done to bring the team together and we are still reliant as many other clubs in other deals being concluded so players can be released in our direction. Is this unique ?, well no, as many other clubs are in exactly the same position as us. All this happens year after year, and still some people don't get it. We cannot sustain a large squad of players, each player now will be expected to do more through the season in supporting the first eleven, and I dare say subs will be tactically used to help prevent some players becoming tired due to shear number of games being played. If you think you can do things any better then may I suggest you drop Power a line pointing out the short comings of his tenure as owner.

Quite how that is a shambles I and many others don't know, so please explain.

We are lucky to still have a club to support, and before leveling soft criticism, doom and despondency some would do well to remember that first. No the situation isn't perfect but its a lot better than ground sharing at some very lower league level which would have happened quite soon if Power hadn't grasped the reigns. He may not be perfect but he is a far better option than what was on offer. Black didn't leave a car crash, he left a motorway multi car pile-up. If this is what we have to do for a few seasons, until the club can generate more income then surely its a pain worth suffering. If you want to watch pretty boys on shed loads of money, there are plenty in the Premier League. If you go there I'm sure your sceptical analysis will be very welcome. Not.
Wiz, have you seen the club's balance sheet at the day Black handed over to McCrory? I haven't but I'd be willing to bet that it showed a much healthier position than that of most other clubs in the lower divisions.

Do you seriously think you or anyone else would have been talking about a multi car pile up if McCrory had been what he pretended to be? If the Banbury Bullshiitter had actually delivered the investment, playing budget and sustainability that he promised, Black would still be highly respected as the man who kept our club alive. We all know about the residual playing contracts that had to be honoured. We also know the club had no callable debt and some players who could fetch money on the transfer market. The people who continually moan about the "mess" Black left seem to forget that, as well as having no debt to repay, the new owners were picking up a club that was able to sell Flint for £300,000 and had a genuine star goalkeeper who was already attracting a lot of interest. Then of course there is the relatively high level of support at the County Ground. All in all, not bad at all.

Of course we were skint when Black left. How many clubs at at our level have enough cash in the bank or sufficient self-generated income to meet their day-to-day costs? Not too many, I'd wager. If Power hands over a club in as good a state as it was when McCrory got hold of it, he'll have done a very good job. Most other clubs at our level would be delighted to be in that position I'm sure.
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]glenda hoddle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: After the Black era the spending had to be moderated. I do not believe Lee Power's plan involves us being promoted this season but putting us on a stable footing financially. IMO we need a season of stability, no court cases, no panic over money etc. Lee is not made of money and I believe we need to accept this for the future of the club. Those slagging Lee off for not having money appear often to be those that will not attend because we have not invested (feel a bit of irony there). My view, we have a club to support and if you are a supporter you should try to support it whether they are good, bad or indifferent. Friendlies as Den said are immaterial and used for fitness etc did Orient storm the league having beaten Newcastle 7-1 (I think) a few years back ? Bit of patience required and support (how many join in the STID song ?). COYMR[/p][/quote]Im not slaging lee power off at all. Im just stating a fact. He dont have the money to make town competative. We will defo sell at least 1 player for cash. That will weaken the side even more and it is poor now. We only have 15 player . Shambles im afraid.[/p][/quote]Shambles ?? really ??? are you aware of who/clubs Power has been talking to about possible incoming players, and at what date they will be released, Ahhhhhhhh, NO. Has the League Season started yet, 'er no, have Cooper and Power finalized their preferred starting eleven ?, well no, why ? because others players will be incoming so the line up will be different. Are we still assessing players, well it seems so. So in all, work is still being done to bring the team together and we are still reliant as many other clubs in other deals being concluded so players can be released in our direction. Is this unique ?, well no, as many other clubs are in exactly the same position as us. All this happens year after year, and still some people don't get it. We cannot sustain a large squad of players, each player now will be expected to do more through the season in supporting the first eleven, and I dare say subs will be tactically used to help prevent some players becoming tired due to shear number of games being played. If you think you can do things any better then may I suggest you drop Power a line pointing out the short comings of his tenure as owner. Quite how that is a shambles I and many others don't know, so please explain. We are lucky to still have a club to support, and before leveling soft criticism, doom and despondency some would do well to remember that first. No the situation isn't perfect but its a lot better than ground sharing at some very lower league level which would have happened quite soon if Power hadn't grasped the reigns. He may not be perfect but he is a far better option than what was on offer. Black didn't leave a car crash, he left a motorway multi car pile-up. If this is what we have to do for a few seasons, until the club can generate more income then surely its a pain worth suffering. If you want to watch pretty boys on shed loads of money, there are plenty in the Premier League. If you go there I'm sure your sceptical analysis will be very welcome. Not.[/p][/quote]Wiz, have you seen the club's balance sheet at the day Black handed over to McCrory? I haven't but I'd be willing to bet that it showed a much healthier position than that of most other clubs in the lower divisions. Do you seriously think you or anyone else would have been talking about a multi car pile up if McCrory had been what he pretended to be? If the Banbury Bullshiitter had actually delivered the investment, playing budget and sustainability that he promised, Black would still be highly respected as the man who kept our club alive. We all know about the residual playing contracts that had to be honoured. We also know the club had no callable debt and some players who could fetch money on the transfer market. The people who continually moan about the "mess" Black left seem to forget that, as well as having no debt to repay, the new owners were picking up a club that was able to sell Flint for £300,000 and had a genuine star goalkeeper who was already attracting a lot of interest. Then of course there is the relatively high level of support at the County Ground. All in all, not bad at all. Of course we were skint when Black left. How many clubs at at our level have enough cash in the bank or sufficient self-generated income to meet their day-to-day costs? Not too many, I'd wager. If Power hands over a club in as good a state as it was when McCrory got hold of it, he'll have done a very good job. Most other clubs at our level would be delighted to be in that position I'm sure. Oi Den!
  • Score: 8

1:11pm Sun 27 Jul 14

the wizard says...

Oi Den! wrote:
the wizard wrote:
glenda hoddle wrote:
Oxon-Red wrote:
After the Black era the spending had to be moderated. I do not believe Lee Power's plan involves us being promoted this season but putting us on a stable footing financially. IMO we need a season of stability, no court cases, no panic over money etc.

Lee is not made of money and I believe we need to accept this for the future of the club. Those slagging Lee off for not having money appear often to be those that will not attend because we have not invested (feel a bit of irony there).

My view, we have a club to support and if you are a supporter you should try to support it whether they are good, bad or indifferent. Friendlies as Den said are immaterial and used for fitness etc did Orient storm the league having beaten Newcastle 7-1 (I think) a few years back ?

Bit of patience required and support (how many join in the STID song ?).

COYMR
Im not slaging lee power off at all. Im just stating a fact. He dont have the money to make town competative. We will defo sell at least 1 player for cash. That will weaken the side even more and it is poor now. We only have 15 player . Shambles im afraid.
Shambles ?? really ??? are you aware of who/clubs Power has been talking to about possible incoming players, and at what date they will be released, Ahhhhhhhh, NO. Has the League Season started yet, 'er no, have Cooper and Power finalized their preferred starting eleven ?, well no, why ? because others players will be incoming so the line up will be different. Are we still assessing players, well it seems so. So in all, work is still being done to bring the team together and we are still reliant as many other clubs in other deals being concluded so players can be released in our direction. Is this unique ?, well no, as many other clubs are in exactly the same position as us. All this happens year after year, and still some people don't get it. We cannot sustain a large squad of players, each player now will be expected to do more through the season in supporting the first eleven, and I dare say subs will be tactically used to help prevent some players becoming tired due to shear number of games being played. If you think you can do things any better then may I suggest you drop Power a line pointing out the short comings of his tenure as owner.

Quite how that is a shambles I and many others don't know, so please explain.

We are lucky to still have a club to support, and before leveling soft criticism, doom and despondency some would do well to remember that first. No the situation isn't perfect but its a lot better than ground sharing at some very lower league level which would have happened quite soon if Power hadn't grasped the reigns. He may not be perfect but he is a far better option than what was on offer. Black didn't leave a car crash, he left a motorway multi car pile-up. If this is what we have to do for a few seasons, until the club can generate more income then surely its a pain worth suffering. If you want to watch pretty boys on shed loads of money, there are plenty in the Premier League. If you go there I'm sure your sceptical analysis will be very welcome. Not.
Wiz, have you seen the club's balance sheet at the day Black handed over to McCrory? I haven't but I'd be willing to bet that it showed a much healthier position than that of most other clubs in the lower divisions.

Do you seriously think you or anyone else would have been talking about a multi car pile up if McCrory had been what he pretended to be? If the Banbury Bullshiitter had actually delivered the investment, playing budget and sustainability that he promised, Black would still be highly respected as the man who kept our club alive. We all know about the residual playing contracts that had to be honoured. We also know the club had no callable debt and some players who could fetch money on the transfer market. The people who continually moan about the &quot;mess" Black left seem to forget that, as well as having no debt to repay, the new owners were picking up a club that was able to sell Flint for £300,000 and had a genuine star goalkeeper who was already attracting a lot of interest. Then of course there is the relatively high level of support at the County Ground. All in all, not bad at all.

Of course we were skint when Black left. How many clubs at at our level have enough cash in the bank or sufficient self-generated income to meet their day-to-day costs? Not too many, I'd wager. If Power hands over a club in as good a state as it was when McCrory got hold of it, he'll have done a very good job. Most other clubs at our level would be delighted to be in that position I'm sure.
Then there were all the skeletons in the cupboard, most seem to have forgotten those. Then there was Patey who was briefed to get rid. I have seen him on TV and even when discussing the Middle East his special subject, he didn't have a clue, so was he really worried who the club was sold to. NO! Black wanted rid to get PDC off his back. The wonderful business men didn't have a clue about football. Yes, they paid off the debts and I'm grateful for that, but did they really have a clue on how to run the club once Fitton dropped off the radar ? in short, NO. They did a really good job of treading water, but progress up the league, no we didn't. The truth of the matter is they didn't really understand football like other boards do, they relied on managers and a large office to do all the work. Since Black left that office staff has been slashed and now we have a chairman/owner who understands football. He may be a novice in other departments but his soccer nous will stand a better chance of seeing us progress than many before him. Returning to the original subject, the likes of Glenda and many more are serial doom mongers and we have this rubbish every season , whittling away at those who have pumped a fortune into the club, but when you ask them if they are prepared to do the same, they vanish. Power has buried a small fortune into Town with no guarantee of seeing it returned to his bank, a feat which we should all respect and admire. I don't see many others motivated to do the same and there is a big difference between buying an S/T and buying the club. Ongoing a million times difference over a few seasons with players bought and sold, yet still they peddle their doom, gloom, despondency, and in case you've forgotten, we're a shambles. For the love of God they need to get real.
BTW Den, then best asset was sold at a knock down price and many of us will not forgive Black/Patey for that. Don't forget the club was good as sold before PDC's second season, but the purchaser died, and so nearly did the club, back in embargo because Blacks chairman Wray couldn't keep the manager under control, so who's fault was that really, Wray for being weak, or Black for not saying NO means precisely that NO, no more money MR Manager, you've had all these players, so now forma team and play them. Somebody somewhere was weak and unable to reign in the savior turned foe. Right I'm going to have to end it there as I'm tied up for the rest of the day. Good discussion Den, and I hope you are well.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]glenda hoddle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: After the Black era the spending had to be moderated. I do not believe Lee Power's plan involves us being promoted this season but putting us on a stable footing financially. IMO we need a season of stability, no court cases, no panic over money etc. Lee is not made of money and I believe we need to accept this for the future of the club. Those slagging Lee off for not having money appear often to be those that will not attend because we have not invested (feel a bit of irony there). My view, we have a club to support and if you are a supporter you should try to support it whether they are good, bad or indifferent. Friendlies as Den said are immaterial and used for fitness etc did Orient storm the league having beaten Newcastle 7-1 (I think) a few years back ? Bit of patience required and support (how many join in the STID song ?). COYMR[/p][/quote]Im not slaging lee power off at all. Im just stating a fact. He dont have the money to make town competative. We will defo sell at least 1 player for cash. That will weaken the side even more and it is poor now. We only have 15 player . Shambles im afraid.[/p][/quote]Shambles ?? really ??? are you aware of who/clubs Power has been talking to about possible incoming players, and at what date they will be released, Ahhhhhhhh, NO. Has the League Season started yet, 'er no, have Cooper and Power finalized their preferred starting eleven ?, well no, why ? because others players will be incoming so the line up will be different. Are we still assessing players, well it seems so. So in all, work is still being done to bring the team together and we are still reliant as many other clubs in other deals being concluded so players can be released in our direction. Is this unique ?, well no, as many other clubs are in exactly the same position as us. All this happens year after year, and still some people don't get it. We cannot sustain a large squad of players, each player now will be expected to do more through the season in supporting the first eleven, and I dare say subs will be tactically used to help prevent some players becoming tired due to shear number of games being played. If you think you can do things any better then may I suggest you drop Power a line pointing out the short comings of his tenure as owner. Quite how that is a shambles I and many others don't know, so please explain. We are lucky to still have a club to support, and before leveling soft criticism, doom and despondency some would do well to remember that first. No the situation isn't perfect but its a lot better than ground sharing at some very lower league level which would have happened quite soon if Power hadn't grasped the reigns. He may not be perfect but he is a far better option than what was on offer. Black didn't leave a car crash, he left a motorway multi car pile-up. If this is what we have to do for a few seasons, until the club can generate more income then surely its a pain worth suffering. If you want to watch pretty boys on shed loads of money, there are plenty in the Premier League. If you go there I'm sure your sceptical analysis will be very welcome. Not.[/p][/quote]Wiz, have you seen the club's balance sheet at the day Black handed over to McCrory? I haven't but I'd be willing to bet that it showed a much healthier position than that of most other clubs in the lower divisions. Do you seriously think you or anyone else would have been talking about a multi car pile up if McCrory had been what he pretended to be? If the Banbury Bullshiitter had actually delivered the investment, playing budget and sustainability that he promised, Black would still be highly respected as the man who kept our club alive. We all know about the residual playing contracts that had to be honoured. We also know the club had no callable debt and some players who could fetch money on the transfer market. The people who continually moan about the "mess" Black left seem to forget that, as well as having no debt to repay, the new owners were picking up a club that was able to sell Flint for £300,000 and had a genuine star goalkeeper who was already attracting a lot of interest. Then of course there is the relatively high level of support at the County Ground. All in all, not bad at all. Of course we were skint when Black left. How many clubs at at our level have enough cash in the bank or sufficient self-generated income to meet their day-to-day costs? Not too many, I'd wager. If Power hands over a club in as good a state as it was when McCrory got hold of it, he'll have done a very good job. Most other clubs at our level would be delighted to be in that position I'm sure.[/p][/quote]Then there were all the skeletons in the cupboard, most seem to have forgotten those. Then there was Patey who was briefed to get rid. I have seen him on TV and even when discussing the Middle East his special subject, he didn't have a clue, so was he really worried who the club was sold to. NO! Black wanted rid to get PDC off his back. The wonderful business men didn't have a clue about football. Yes, they paid off the debts and I'm grateful for that, but did they really have a clue on how to run the club once Fitton dropped off the radar ? in short, NO. They did a really good job of treading water, but progress up the league, no we didn't. The truth of the matter is they didn't really understand football like other boards do, they relied on managers and a large office to do all the work. Since Black left that office staff has been slashed and now we have a chairman/owner who understands football. He may be a novice in other departments but his soccer nous will stand a better chance of seeing us progress than many before him. Returning to the original subject, the likes of Glenda and many more are serial doom mongers and we have this rubbish every season , whittling away at those who have pumped a fortune into the club, but when you ask them if they are prepared to do the same, they vanish. Power has buried a small fortune into Town with no guarantee of seeing it returned to his bank, a feat which we should all respect and admire. I don't see many others motivated to do the same and there is a big difference between buying an S/T and buying the club. Ongoing a million times difference over a few seasons with players bought and sold, yet still they peddle their doom, gloom, despondency, and in case you've forgotten, we're a shambles. For the love of God they need to get real. BTW Den, then best asset was sold at a knock down price and many of us will not forgive Black/Patey for that. Don't forget the club was good as sold before PDC's second season, but the purchaser died, and so nearly did the club, back in embargo because Blacks chairman Wray couldn't keep the manager under control, so who's fault was that really, Wray for being weak, or Black for not saying NO means precisely that NO, no more money MR Manager, you've had all these players, so now forma team and play them. Somebody somewhere was weak and unable to reign in the savior turned foe. Right I'm going to have to end it there as I'm tied up for the rest of the day. Good discussion Den, and I hope you are well. the wizard
  • Score: 4

3:05pm Sun 27 Jul 14

TheDukeOfBanbury says...

Oi Den! wrote:
the wizard wrote:
glenda hoddle wrote:
Oxon-Red wrote:
After the Black era the spending had to be moderated. I do not believe Lee Power's plan involves us being promoted this season but putting us on a stable footing financially. IMO we need a season of stability, no court cases, no panic over money etc.

Lee is not made of money and I believe we need to accept this for the future of the club. Those slagging Lee off for not having money appear often to be those that will not attend because we have not invested (feel a bit of irony there).

My view, we have a club to support and if you are a supporter you should try to support it whether they are good, bad or indifferent. Friendlies as Den said are immaterial and used for fitness etc did Orient storm the league having beaten Newcastle 7-1 (I think) a few years back ?

Bit of patience required and support (how many join in the STID song ?).

COYMR
Im not slaging lee power off at all. Im just stating a fact. He dont have the money to make town competative. We will defo sell at least 1 player for cash. That will weaken the side even more and it is poor now. We only have 15 player . Shambles im afraid.
Shambles ?? really ??? are you aware of who/clubs Power has been talking to about possible incoming players, and at what date they will be released, Ahhhhhhhh, NO. Has the League Season started yet, 'er no, have Cooper and Power finalized their preferred starting eleven ?, well no, why ? because others players will be incoming so the line up will be different. Are we still assessing players, well it seems so. So in all, work is still being done to bring the team together and we are still reliant as many other clubs in other deals being concluded so players can be released in our direction. Is this unique ?, well no, as many other clubs are in exactly the same position as us. All this happens year after year, and still some people don't get it. We cannot sustain a large squad of players, each player now will be expected to do more through the season in supporting the first eleven, and I dare say subs will be tactically used to help prevent some players becoming tired due to shear number of games being played. If you think you can do things any better then may I suggest you drop Power a line pointing out the short comings of his tenure as owner.

Quite how that is a shambles I and many others don't know, so please explain.

We are lucky to still have a club to support, and before leveling soft criticism, doom and despondency some would do well to remember that first. No the situation isn't perfect but its a lot better than ground sharing at some very lower league level which would have happened quite soon if Power hadn't grasped the reigns. He may not be perfect but he is a far better option than what was on offer. Black didn't leave a car crash, he left a motorway multi car pile-up. If this is what we have to do for a few seasons, until the club can generate more income then surely its a pain worth suffering. If you want to watch pretty boys on shed loads of money, there are plenty in the Premier League. If you go there I'm sure your sceptical analysis will be very welcome. Not.
Wiz, have you seen the club's balance sheet at the day Black handed over to McCrory? I haven't but I'd be willing to bet that it showed a much healthier position than that of most other clubs in the lower divisions.

Do you seriously think you or anyone else would have been talking about a multi car pile up if McCrory had been what he pretended to be? If the Banbury Bullshiitter had actually delivered the investment, playing budget and sustainability that he promised, Black would still be highly respected as the man who kept our club alive. We all know about the residual playing contracts that had to be honoured. We also know the club had no callable debt and some players who could fetch money on the transfer market. The people who continually moan about the &quot;mess" Black left seem to forget that, as well as having no debt to repay, the new owners were picking up a club that was able to sell Flint for £300,000 and had a genuine star goalkeeper who was already attracting a lot of interest. Then of course there is the relatively high level of support at the County Ground. All in all, not bad at all.

Of course we were skint when Black left. How many clubs at at our level have enough cash in the bank or sufficient self-generated income to meet their day-to-day costs? Not too many, I'd wager. If Power hands over a club in as good a state as it was when McCrory got hold of it, he'll have done a very good job. Most other clubs at our level would be delighted to be in that position I'm sure.
Good post that.

Another season and another year older.
Mid to late 70's as a Townender it was an adventure however all I did then was go to the games and get "involved" in the game and the atmosphere.

Older and wiser following Swindon simply drains the life out of me.
The love for my club has never gone however the passion I used to have has reduced I guess from the years of false promises and the one step forward and two steps back history.

I crave for success but it simply is not going to happen at this moment in time. Hurts me to say it but face the facts. Better teams, bigger budgets than us.
Another season in Div 3 (the same as now albeit glossed over as Div1) oh and the same division we have almost spent our entire history in and the same division when I started following Swindon.

A win on the Euro lottery and I would change that for everyone.
Maybe all I can do is dream.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]glenda hoddle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: After the Black era the spending had to be moderated. I do not believe Lee Power's plan involves us being promoted this season but putting us on a stable footing financially. IMO we need a season of stability, no court cases, no panic over money etc. Lee is not made of money and I believe we need to accept this for the future of the club. Those slagging Lee off for not having money appear often to be those that will not attend because we have not invested (feel a bit of irony there). My view, we have a club to support and if you are a supporter you should try to support it whether they are good, bad or indifferent. Friendlies as Den said are immaterial and used for fitness etc did Orient storm the league having beaten Newcastle 7-1 (I think) a few years back ? Bit of patience required and support (how many join in the STID song ?). COYMR[/p][/quote]Im not slaging lee power off at all. Im just stating a fact. He dont have the money to make town competative. We will defo sell at least 1 player for cash. That will weaken the side even more and it is poor now. We only have 15 player . Shambles im afraid.[/p][/quote]Shambles ?? really ??? are you aware of who/clubs Power has been talking to about possible incoming players, and at what date they will be released, Ahhhhhhhh, NO. Has the League Season started yet, 'er no, have Cooper and Power finalized their preferred starting eleven ?, well no, why ? because others players will be incoming so the line up will be different. Are we still assessing players, well it seems so. So in all, work is still being done to bring the team together and we are still reliant as many other clubs in other deals being concluded so players can be released in our direction. Is this unique ?, well no, as many other clubs are in exactly the same position as us. All this happens year after year, and still some people don't get it. We cannot sustain a large squad of players, each player now will be expected to do more through the season in supporting the first eleven, and I dare say subs will be tactically used to help prevent some players becoming tired due to shear number of games being played. If you think you can do things any better then may I suggest you drop Power a line pointing out the short comings of his tenure as owner. Quite how that is a shambles I and many others don't know, so please explain. We are lucky to still have a club to support, and before leveling soft criticism, doom and despondency some would do well to remember that first. No the situation isn't perfect but its a lot better than ground sharing at some very lower league level which would have happened quite soon if Power hadn't grasped the reigns. He may not be perfect but he is a far better option than what was on offer. Black didn't leave a car crash, he left a motorway multi car pile-up. If this is what we have to do for a few seasons, until the club can generate more income then surely its a pain worth suffering. If you want to watch pretty boys on shed loads of money, there are plenty in the Premier League. If you go there I'm sure your sceptical analysis will be very welcome. Not.[/p][/quote]Wiz, have you seen the club's balance sheet at the day Black handed over to McCrory? I haven't but I'd be willing to bet that it showed a much healthier position than that of most other clubs in the lower divisions. Do you seriously think you or anyone else would have been talking about a multi car pile up if McCrory had been what he pretended to be? If the Banbury Bullshiitter had actually delivered the investment, playing budget and sustainability that he promised, Black would still be highly respected as the man who kept our club alive. We all know about the residual playing contracts that had to be honoured. We also know the club had no callable debt and some players who could fetch money on the transfer market. The people who continually moan about the "mess" Black left seem to forget that, as well as having no debt to repay, the new owners were picking up a club that was able to sell Flint for £300,000 and had a genuine star goalkeeper who was already attracting a lot of interest. Then of course there is the relatively high level of support at the County Ground. All in all, not bad at all. Of course we were skint when Black left. How many clubs at at our level have enough cash in the bank or sufficient self-generated income to meet their day-to-day costs? Not too many, I'd wager. If Power hands over a club in as good a state as it was when McCrory got hold of it, he'll have done a very good job. Most other clubs at our level would be delighted to be in that position I'm sure.[/p][/quote]Good post that. Another season and another year older. Mid to late 70's as a Townender it was an adventure however all I did then was go to the games and get "involved" in the game and the atmosphere. Older and wiser following Swindon simply drains the life out of me. The love for my club has never gone however the passion I used to have has reduced I guess from the years of false promises and the one step forward and two steps back history. I crave for success but it simply is not going to happen at this moment in time. Hurts me to say it but face the facts. Better teams, bigger budgets than us. Another season in Div 3 (the same as now albeit glossed over as Div1) oh and the same division we have almost spent our entire history in and the same division when I started following Swindon. A win on the Euro lottery and I would change that for everyone. Maybe all I can do is dream. TheDukeOfBanbury
  • Score: 6

3:12pm Sun 27 Jul 14

dazzastfc says...

I think Power is trying to make the club sustainable so he can sell it on very very soon ..Aman in powers position has not got the money to keep running at a lose
I think Power is trying to make the club sustainable so he can sell it on very very soon ..Aman in powers position has not got the money to keep running at a lose dazzastfc
  • Score: -7

3:27pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Oi Den! says...

All good with me Wiz. Hope the same goes for you.

I agree with much of what you say. The skeletons (1947 debenture, was it?) were a figment of McCrory's vivid imagination though - all part of his smokescreen, just like that word "sustainability" which forms such an essential part of the McCrory blagspeak. It's code for "I'm putting f*ck all into the club and I'll be rinsing it for all I can get". (See Hereford United, right now.)

I presume you refer to the sale of Ritchie at a bargain price. Why is that Black's fault? The new owners, having got the club for nowt, with no debt to pay and promising a £4m playing budget, should have had no trouble keeping Ritchie. Whether the club had actually changed hands at the time of the Ritchie deal is neither here nor there. McCrory and his mob could easily have made the club a loan. But of course that couldn't happen because they had no intention of investing in the club in any shape or form. All roads lead back to their lies. They deceived Di Canio and Patey, just like they deceived thousands of fans with their smarmy bullshiit. It's a bit rich for fans to blame Black if they were massaging PDC's ego and then they were also taken in by the liars.

Hindsight, eh? Isn't it wonderful?
All good with me Wiz. Hope the same goes for you. I agree with much of what you say. The skeletons (1947 debenture, was it?) were a figment of McCrory's vivid imagination though - all part of his smokescreen, just like that word "sustainability" which forms such an essential part of the McCrory blagspeak. It's code for "I'm putting f*ck all into the club and I'll be rinsing it for all I can get". (See Hereford United, right now.) I presume you refer to the sale of Ritchie at a bargain price. Why is that Black's fault? The new owners, having got the club for nowt, with no debt to pay and promising a £4m playing budget, should have had no trouble keeping Ritchie. Whether the club had actually changed hands at the time of the Ritchie deal is neither here nor there. McCrory and his mob could easily have made the club a loan. But of course that couldn't happen because they had no intention of investing in the club in any shape or form. All roads lead back to their lies. They deceived Di Canio and Patey, just like they deceived thousands of fans with their smarmy bullshiit. It's a bit rich for fans to blame Black if they were massaging PDC's ego and then they were also taken in by the liars. Hindsight, eh? Isn't it wonderful? Oi Den!
  • Score: 2

3:35pm Sun 27 Jul 14

port de soller says...

Well read all these posts and to be honest.STFC are so so fortunate to still be a club.As for the doom and gloom side,this was not just Jed with his B/S fooling AB/the FL and god know´s who else.
My feeling is if they survive next season on the pitch and give 100% we can ask no more.As for the financial side again if whoever is at the helm can avoid embargo´s/admin/mon
ey worries,STFC in my book will be doing ok.
The only negative point I have is attendance(STFC gates) are great compared to most teams in our division,so why are we continually in the brown stuff,cannot afford players,yet other managers seem to get semi decent squads together is just something over the last 2 seasons has bugged me
Well read all these posts and to be honest.STFC are so so fortunate to still be a club.As for the doom and gloom side,this was not just Jed with his B/S fooling AB/the FL and god know´s who else. My feeling is if they survive next season on the pitch and give 100% we can ask no more.As for the financial side again if whoever is at the helm can avoid embargo´s/admin/mon ey worries,STFC in my book will be doing ok. The only negative point I have is attendance(STFC gates) are great compared to most teams in our division,so why are we continually in the brown stuff,cannot afford players,yet other managers seem to get semi decent squads together is just something over the last 2 seasons has bugged me port de soller
  • Score: 1

3:46pm Sun 27 Jul 14

glenda hoddle says...

the wizard wrote:
glenda hoddle wrote:
Oxon-Red wrote:
After the Black era the spending had to be moderated. I do not believe Lee Power's plan involves us being promoted this season but putting us on a stable footing financially. IMO we need a season of stability, no court cases, no panic over money etc.

Lee is not made of money and I believe we need to accept this for the future of the club. Those slagging Lee off for not having money appear often to be those that will not attend because we have not invested (feel a bit of irony there).

My view, we have a club to support and if you are a supporter you should try to support it whether they are good, bad or indifferent. Friendlies as Den said are immaterial and used for fitness etc did Orient storm the league having beaten Newcastle 7-1 (I think) a few years back ?

Bit of patience required and support (how many join in the STID song ?).

COYMR
Im not slaging lee power off at all. Im just stating a fact. He dont have the money to make town competative. We will defo sell at least 1 player for cash. That will weaken the side even more and it is poor now. We only have 15 player . Shambles im afraid.
Shambles ?? really ??? are you aware of who/clubs Power has been talking to about possible incoming players, and at what date they will be released, Ahhhhhhhh, NO. Has the League Season started yet, 'er no, have Cooper and Power finalized their preferred starting eleven ?, well no, why ? because others players will be incoming so the line up will be different. Are we still assessing players, well it seems so. So in all, work is still being done to bring the team together and we are still reliant as many other clubs in other deals being concluded so players can be released in our direction. Is this unique ?, well no, as many other clubs are in exactly the same position as us. All this happens year after year, and still some people don't get it. We cannot sustain a large squad of players, each player now will be expected to do more through the season in supporting the first eleven, and I dare say subs will be tactically used to help prevent some players becoming tired due to shear number of games being played. If you think you can do things any better then may I suggest you drop Power a line pointing out the short comings of his tenure as owner.

Quite how that is a shambles I and many others don't know, so please explain.

We are lucky to still have a club to support, and before leveling soft criticism, doom and despondency some would do well to remember that first. No the situation isn't perfect but its a lot better than ground sharing at some very lower league level which would have happened quite soon if Power hadn't grasped the reigns. He may not be perfect but he is a far better option than what was on offer. Black didn't leave a car crash, he left a motorway multi car pile-up. If this is what we have to do for a few seasons, until the club can generate more income then surely its a pain worth suffering. If you want to watch pretty boys on shed loads of money, there are plenty in the Premier League. If you go there I'm sure your sceptical analysis will be very welcome. Not.
Shame rearly. Just open your eyes ffs.
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]glenda hoddle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: After the Black era the spending had to be moderated. I do not believe Lee Power's plan involves us being promoted this season but putting us on a stable footing financially. IMO we need a season of stability, no court cases, no panic over money etc. Lee is not made of money and I believe we need to accept this for the future of the club. Those slagging Lee off for not having money appear often to be those that will not attend because we have not invested (feel a bit of irony there). My view, we have a club to support and if you are a supporter you should try to support it whether they are good, bad or indifferent. Friendlies as Den said are immaterial and used for fitness etc did Orient storm the league having beaten Newcastle 7-1 (I think) a few years back ? Bit of patience required and support (how many join in the STID song ?). COYMR[/p][/quote]Im not slaging lee power off at all. Im just stating a fact. He dont have the money to make town competative. We will defo sell at least 1 player for cash. That will weaken the side even more and it is poor now. We only have 15 player . Shambles im afraid.[/p][/quote]Shambles ?? really ??? are you aware of who/clubs Power has been talking to about possible incoming players, and at what date they will be released, Ahhhhhhhh, NO. Has the League Season started yet, 'er no, have Cooper and Power finalized their preferred starting eleven ?, well no, why ? because others players will be incoming so the line up will be different. Are we still assessing players, well it seems so. So in all, work is still being done to bring the team together and we are still reliant as many other clubs in other deals being concluded so players can be released in our direction. Is this unique ?, well no, as many other clubs are in exactly the same position as us. All this happens year after year, and still some people don't get it. We cannot sustain a large squad of players, each player now will be expected to do more through the season in supporting the first eleven, and I dare say subs will be tactically used to help prevent some players becoming tired due to shear number of games being played. If you think you can do things any better then may I suggest you drop Power a line pointing out the short comings of his tenure as owner. Quite how that is a shambles I and many others don't know, so please explain. We are lucky to still have a club to support, and before leveling soft criticism, doom and despondency some would do well to remember that first. No the situation isn't perfect but its a lot better than ground sharing at some very lower league level which would have happened quite soon if Power hadn't grasped the reigns. He may not be perfect but he is a far better option than what was on offer. Black didn't leave a car crash, he left a motorway multi car pile-up. If this is what we have to do for a few seasons, until the club can generate more income then surely its a pain worth suffering. If you want to watch pretty boys on shed loads of money, there are plenty in the Premier League. If you go there I'm sure your sceptical analysis will be very welcome. Not.[/p][/quote]Shame rearly. Just open your eyes ffs. glenda hoddle
  • Score: -3

4:32pm Sun 27 Jul 14

smirg kcab says...

So thommos signing for posh
Bet your glad you got your s/t now.
Suckers.
Throw your abacuses away for wimas goals... 40/1 top scorer
I wouldn't do it if he was 40 million/1
Strange when we beat s- marine we was world beaters? Now friendlies mean nothing.
Sell the lot power apart from Wes.
Haven't posted for a week as I've been curled up reading some of these post.
Cooper/power was watching nythe
So thommos signing for posh Bet your glad you got your s/t now. Suckers. Throw your abacuses away for wimas goals... 40/1 top scorer I wouldn't do it if he was 40 million/1 Strange when we beat s- marine we was world beaters? Now friendlies mean nothing. Sell the lot power apart from Wes. Haven't posted for a week as I've been curled up reading some of these post. Cooper/power was watching nythe smirg kcab
  • Score: -7

4:40pm Sun 27 Jul 14

smirg kcab says...

smirg kcab wrote:
So thommos signing for posh
Bet your glad you got your s/t now.
Suckers.
Throw your abacuses away for wimas goals... 40/1 top scorer
I wouldn't do it if he was 40 million/1
Strange when we beat s- marine we was world beaters? Now friendlies mean nothing.
Sell the lot power apart from Wes.
Haven't posted for a week as I've been curled up reading some of these post.
Cooper/power was watching nythe
Under 11s for experience
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: So thommos signing for posh Bet your glad you got your s/t now. Suckers. Throw your abacuses away for wimas goals... 40/1 top scorer I wouldn't do it if he was 40 million/1 Strange when we beat s- marine we was world beaters? Now friendlies mean nothing. Sell the lot power apart from Wes. Haven't posted for a week as I've been curled up reading some of these post. Cooper/power was watching nythe[/p][/quote]Under 11s for experience smirg kcab
  • Score: -1

5:03pm Sun 27 Jul 14

TheDukeOfBanbury says...

Oi Den! wrote:
All good with me Wiz. Hope the same goes for you.

I agree with much of what you say. The skeletons (1947 debenture, was it?) were a figment of McCrory's vivid imagination though - all part of his smokescreen, just like that word &quot;sustainability
" which forms such an essential part of the McCrory blagspeak. It's code for "I'm putting f*ck all into the club and I'll be rinsing it for all I can get". (See Hereford United, right now.)

I presume you refer to the sale of Ritchie at a bargain price. Why is that Black's fault? The new owners, having got the club for nowt, with no debt to pay and promising a £4m playing budget, should have had no trouble keeping Ritchie. Whether the club had actually changed hands at the time of the Ritchie deal is neither here nor there. McCrory and his mob could easily have made the club a loan. But of course that couldn't happen because they had no intention of investing in the club in any shape or form. All roads lead back to their lies. They deceived Di Canio and Patey, just like they deceived thousands of fans with their smarmy bullshiit. It's a bit rich for fans to blame Black if they were massaging PDC's ego and then they were also taken in by the liars.

Hindsight, eh? Isn't it wonderful?
Trouble is Den I loved the Di Canio era.
Fell in love with my club again.
Going home and away was fantastic. It's was exciting and much to look forward to. To be honest I didn't want to think about the budgets because I simply wanted to get wrapped up into following a successful club.
Why shouldn't I and why shouldn't anyone else years of mediocracy makes you feel that way.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: All good with me Wiz. Hope the same goes for you. I agree with much of what you say. The skeletons (1947 debenture, was it?) were a figment of McCrory's vivid imagination though - all part of his smokescreen, just like that word "sustainability " which forms such an essential part of the McCrory blagspeak. It's code for "I'm putting f*ck all into the club and I'll be rinsing it for all I can get". (See Hereford United, right now.) I presume you refer to the sale of Ritchie at a bargain price. Why is that Black's fault? The new owners, having got the club for nowt, with no debt to pay and promising a £4m playing budget, should have had no trouble keeping Ritchie. Whether the club had actually changed hands at the time of the Ritchie deal is neither here nor there. McCrory and his mob could easily have made the club a loan. But of course that couldn't happen because they had no intention of investing in the club in any shape or form. All roads lead back to their lies. They deceived Di Canio and Patey, just like they deceived thousands of fans with their smarmy bullshiit. It's a bit rich for fans to blame Black if they were massaging PDC's ego and then they were also taken in by the liars. Hindsight, eh? Isn't it wonderful?[/p][/quote]Trouble is Den I loved the Di Canio era. Fell in love with my club again. Going home and away was fantastic. It's was exciting and much to look forward to. To be honest I didn't want to think about the budgets because I simply wanted to get wrapped up into following a successful club. Why shouldn't I and why shouldn't anyone else years of mediocracy makes you feel that way. TheDukeOfBanbury
  • Score: 3

5:09pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Davidsyrett says...

smirg kcab wrote:
So thommos signing for posh
Bet your glad you got your s/t now.
Suckers.
Throw your abacuses away for wimas goals... 40/1 top scorer
I wouldn't do it if he was 40 million/1
Strange when we beat s- marine we was world beaters? Now friendlies mean nothing.
Sell the lot power apart from Wes.
Haven't posted for a week as I've been curled up reading some of these post.
Cooper/power was watching nythe
You know it all no doubt, and will very pleased if we struggle next season, telling us all how you predicted it, Why even bother reading these pages?

Pleased I have my ST and cant wait for the new season to begin.That's what real Town fans do, support the team through thick and thin.

If Thommo signs, great, it gives us a pile of cash to strengthen the team.
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: So thommos signing for posh Bet your glad you got your s/t now. Suckers. Throw your abacuses away for wimas goals... 40/1 top scorer I wouldn't do it if he was 40 million/1 Strange when we beat s- marine we was world beaters? Now friendlies mean nothing. Sell the lot power apart from Wes. Haven't posted for a week as I've been curled up reading some of these post. Cooper/power was watching nythe[/p][/quote]You know it all no doubt, and will very pleased if we struggle next season, telling us all how you predicted it, Why even bother reading these pages? Pleased I have my ST and cant wait for the new season to begin.That's what real Town fans do, support the team through thick and thin. If Thommo signs, great, it gives us a pile of cash to strengthen the team. Davidsyrett
  • Score: 2

5:13pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Davidsyrett says...

TheDukeOfBanbury wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
All good with me Wiz. Hope the same goes for you.

I agree with much of what you say. The skeletons (1947 debenture, was it?) were a figment of McCrory's vivid imagination though - all part of his smokescreen, just like that word &quot;sustainability

" which forms such an essential part of the McCrory blagspeak. It's code for "I'm putting f*ck all into the club and I'll be rinsing it for all I can get". (See Hereford United, right now.)

I presume you refer to the sale of Ritchie at a bargain price. Why is that Black's fault? The new owners, having got the club for nowt, with no debt to pay and promising a £4m playing budget, should have had no trouble keeping Ritchie. Whether the club had actually changed hands at the time of the Ritchie deal is neither here nor there. McCrory and his mob could easily have made the club a loan. But of course that couldn't happen because they had no intention of investing in the club in any shape or form. All roads lead back to their lies. They deceived Di Canio and Patey, just like they deceived thousands of fans with their smarmy bullshiit. It's a bit rich for fans to blame Black if they were massaging PDC's ego and then they were also taken in by the liars.

Hindsight, eh? Isn't it wonderful?
Trouble is Den I loved the Di Canio era.
Fell in love with my club again.
Going home and away was fantastic. It's was exciting and much to look forward to. To be honest I didn't want to think about the budgets because I simply wanted to get wrapped up into following a successful club.
Why shouldn't I and why shouldn't anyone else years of mediocracy makes you feel that way.
Lets be honest, there can be no Town fans who didn't enjoy the fun while it lasted, but at what cost? My abiding thought about it all was had we had a manager who spent the money wisely, I believe we would have been in the championship by now, and probably still had Black and his cronies in charge. PDC was short term gain, long term pain unfortunately.
[quote][p][bold]TheDukeOfBanbury[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: All good with me Wiz. Hope the same goes for you. I agree with much of what you say. The skeletons (1947 debenture, was it?) were a figment of McCrory's vivid imagination though - all part of his smokescreen, just like that word "sustainability " which forms such an essential part of the McCrory blagspeak. It's code for "I'm putting f*ck all into the club and I'll be rinsing it for all I can get". (See Hereford United, right now.) I presume you refer to the sale of Ritchie at a bargain price. Why is that Black's fault? The new owners, having got the club for nowt, with no debt to pay and promising a £4m playing budget, should have had no trouble keeping Ritchie. Whether the club had actually changed hands at the time of the Ritchie deal is neither here nor there. McCrory and his mob could easily have made the club a loan. But of course that couldn't happen because they had no intention of investing in the club in any shape or form. All roads lead back to their lies. They deceived Di Canio and Patey, just like they deceived thousands of fans with their smarmy bullshiit. It's a bit rich for fans to blame Black if they were massaging PDC's ego and then they were also taken in by the liars. Hindsight, eh? Isn't it wonderful?[/p][/quote]Trouble is Den I loved the Di Canio era. Fell in love with my club again. Going home and away was fantastic. It's was exciting and much to look forward to. To be honest I didn't want to think about the budgets because I simply wanted to get wrapped up into following a successful club. Why shouldn't I and why shouldn't anyone else years of mediocracy makes you feel that way.[/p][/quote]Lets be honest, there can be no Town fans who didn't enjoy the fun while it lasted, but at what cost? My abiding thought about it all was had we had a manager who spent the money wisely, I believe we would have been in the championship by now, and probably still had Black and his cronies in charge. PDC was short term gain, long term pain unfortunately. Davidsyrett
  • Score: 2

5:19pm Sun 27 Jul 14

We are PANTS says...

smirg kcab wrote:
smirg kcab wrote:
So thommos signing for posh
Bet your glad you got your s/t now.
Suckers.
Throw your abacuses away for wimas goals... 40/1 top scorer
I wouldn't do it if he was 40 million/1
Strange when we beat s- marine we was world beaters? Now friendlies mean nothing.
Sell the lot power apart from Wes.
Haven't posted for a week as I've been curled up reading some of these post.
Cooper/power was watching nythe
Under 11s for experience
And there's me hoping you had been hit by a bus or something like that!! No such luck...... :-(
[quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smirg kcab[/bold] wrote: So thommos signing for posh Bet your glad you got your s/t now. Suckers. Throw your abacuses away for wimas goals... 40/1 top scorer I wouldn't do it if he was 40 million/1 Strange when we beat s- marine we was world beaters? Now friendlies mean nothing. Sell the lot power apart from Wes. Haven't posted for a week as I've been curled up reading some of these post. Cooper/power was watching nythe[/p][/quote]Under 11s for experience[/p][/quote]And there's me hoping you had been hit by a bus or something like that!! No such luck...... :-( We are PANTS
  • Score: 0

5:37pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Oi Den! says...

TheDukeOfBanbury wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
All good with me Wiz. Hope the same goes for you.

I agree with much of what you say. The skeletons (1947 debenture, was it?) were a figment of McCrory's vivid imagination though - all part of his smokescreen, just like that word &quot;sustainability

" which forms such an essential part of the McCrory blagspeak. It's code for "I'm putting f*ck all into the club and I'll be rinsing it for all I can get". (See Hereford United, right now.)

I presume you refer to the sale of Ritchie at a bargain price. Why is that Black's fault? The new owners, having got the club for nowt, with no debt to pay and promising a £4m playing budget, should have had no trouble keeping Ritchie. Whether the club had actually changed hands at the time of the Ritchie deal is neither here nor there. McCrory and his mob could easily have made the club a loan. But of course that couldn't happen because they had no intention of investing in the club in any shape or form. All roads lead back to their lies. They deceived Di Canio and Patey, just like they deceived thousands of fans with their smarmy bullshiit. It's a bit rich for fans to blame Black if they were massaging PDC's ego and then they were also taken in by the liars.

Hindsight, eh? Isn't it wonderful?
Trouble is Den I loved the Di Canio era.
Fell in love with my club again.
Going home and away was fantastic. It's was exciting and much to look forward to. To be honest I didn't want to think about the budgets because I simply wanted to get wrapped up into following a successful club.
Why shouldn't I and why shouldn't anyone else years of mediocracy makes you feel that way.
Duke, don't misunderstand me. I enjoyed it as much as anyone but I think we all knew PDC was a ticking time bomb. We lived on the edge from day to day with him in charge. Come to think of it, that was probably part of the excitement but in the end of course the inevitable explosion happened. I don't think too many were surprised by it. DS has it right in my view. If the board hadn't taken the big gamble on PDC we wouldn't have had the excitement but we may well have been a stable club, well established in the Championship by now - and still well funded. I remember saying when Di Canio was appointed that he'd either be a disaster or a roaring success. What few of us expected was that he would be both. Knowing his volatile personality and his single minded desire to succeed, maybe we should have expected exactly what we got - a mixed bag. His tenure wasn't sustainable in the general sense and, whether we admitted it to ourselves or not, I think we all knew it.

By the way, unless you're a hard nosed businessman who wants to be at the sharp end of running your football club, I reckon you'd be well advised to keep your lottery winnings well away from STFC, otherwise it will be your fault when it all goes t1ts up after you appoint someone else to run it for you. I used to have the same romantic notion as you, thinking I'd be doing STFC some good by sharing some unlikely good fortune with the club. Not any more.
[quote][p][bold]TheDukeOfBanbury[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: All good with me Wiz. Hope the same goes for you. I agree with much of what you say. The skeletons (1947 debenture, was it?) were a figment of McCrory's vivid imagination though - all part of his smokescreen, just like that word "sustainability " which forms such an essential part of the McCrory blagspeak. It's code for "I'm putting f*ck all into the club and I'll be rinsing it for all I can get". (See Hereford United, right now.) I presume you refer to the sale of Ritchie at a bargain price. Why is that Black's fault? The new owners, having got the club for nowt, with no debt to pay and promising a £4m playing budget, should have had no trouble keeping Ritchie. Whether the club had actually changed hands at the time of the Ritchie deal is neither here nor there. McCrory and his mob could easily have made the club a loan. But of course that couldn't happen because they had no intention of investing in the club in any shape or form. All roads lead back to their lies. They deceived Di Canio and Patey, just like they deceived thousands of fans with their smarmy bullshiit. It's a bit rich for fans to blame Black if they were massaging PDC's ego and then they were also taken in by the liars. Hindsight, eh? Isn't it wonderful?[/p][/quote]Trouble is Den I loved the Di Canio era. Fell in love with my club again. Going home and away was fantastic. It's was exciting and much to look forward to. To be honest I didn't want to think about the budgets because I simply wanted to get wrapped up into following a successful club. Why shouldn't I and why shouldn't anyone else years of mediocracy makes you feel that way.[/p][/quote]Duke, don't misunderstand me. I enjoyed it as much as anyone but I think we all knew PDC was a ticking time bomb. We lived on the edge from day to day with him in charge. Come to think of it, that was probably part of the excitement but in the end of course the inevitable explosion happened. I don't think too many were surprised by it. DS has it right in my view. If the board hadn't taken the big gamble on PDC we wouldn't have had the excitement but we may well have been a stable club, well established in the Championship by now - and still well funded. I remember saying when Di Canio was appointed that he'd either be a disaster or a roaring success. What few of us expected was that he would be both. Knowing his volatile personality and his single minded desire to succeed, maybe we should have expected exactly what we got - a mixed bag. His tenure wasn't sustainable in the general sense and, whether we admitted it to ourselves or not, I think we all knew it. By the way, unless you're a hard nosed businessman who wants to be at the sharp end of running your football club, I reckon you'd be well advised to keep your lottery winnings well away from STFC, otherwise it will be your fault when it all goes t1ts up after you appoint someone else to run it for you. I used to have the same romantic notion as you, thinking I'd be doing STFC some good by sharing some unlikely good fortune with the club. Not any more. Oi Den!
  • Score: 2

5:48pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Oi Den! says...

Duke, just one last comment on the PDC era and before...
I actually enjoyed the middle of the 09/10 season more than any of the PDC reign. Wilson had put together a fantastic side. How on earth he managed to screw it up and the end of that season is one of life's enduring mysteries.
Duke, just one last comment on the PDC era and before... I actually enjoyed the middle of the 09/10 season more than any of the PDC reign. Wilson had put together a fantastic side. How on earth he managed to screw it up and the end of that season is one of life's enduring mysteries. Oi Den!
  • Score: 1

7:23pm Sun 27 Jul 14

dazzastfc says...

Davidsyrett wrote:
TheDukeOfBanbury wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
All good with me Wiz. Hope the same goes for you.

I agree with much of what you say. The skeletons (1947 debenture, was it?) were a figment of McCrory's vivid imagination though - all part of his smokescreen, just like that word &quot;sustainability


" which forms such an essential part of the McCrory blagspeak. It's code for "I'm putting f*ck all into the club and I'll be rinsing it for all I can get". (See Hereford United, right now.)

I presume you refer to the sale of Ritchie at a bargain price. Why is that Black's fault? The new owners, having got the club for nowt, with no debt to pay and promising a £4m playing budget, should have had no trouble keeping Ritchie. Whether the club had actually changed hands at the time of the Ritchie deal is neither here nor there. McCrory and his mob could easily have made the club a loan. But of course that couldn't happen because they had no intention of investing in the club in any shape or form. All roads lead back to their lies. They deceived Di Canio and Patey, just like they deceived thousands of fans with their smarmy bullshiit. It's a bit rich for fans to blame Black if they were massaging PDC's ego and then they were also taken in by the liars.

Hindsight, eh? Isn't it wonderful?
Trouble is Den I loved the Di Canio era.
Fell in love with my club again.
Going home and away was fantastic. It's was exciting and much to look forward to. To be honest I didn't want to think about the budgets because I simply wanted to get wrapped up into following a successful club.
Why shouldn't I and why shouldn't anyone else years of mediocracy makes you feel that way.
Lets be honest, there can be no Town fans who didn't enjoy the fun while it lasted, but at what cost? My abiding thought about it all was had we had a manager who spent the money wisely, I believe we would have been in the championship by now, and probably still had Black and his cronies in charge. PDC was short term gain, long term pain unfortunately.
Very enjoyable but also very embarrassing watching pdc in the dough out and on tv,,,
The worse thing was STFC spent way way too much money from the time fitton and black were here but never reached the c/ship like ya bournemouth and brentford or even ya doncaster..
[quote][p][bold]Davidsyrett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheDukeOfBanbury[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: All good with me Wiz. Hope the same goes for you. I agree with much of what you say. The skeletons (1947 debenture, was it?) were a figment of McCrory's vivid imagination though - all part of his smokescreen, just like that word "sustainability " which forms such an essential part of the McCrory blagspeak. It's code for "I'm putting f*ck all into the club and I'll be rinsing it for all I can get". (See Hereford United, right now.) I presume you refer to the sale of Ritchie at a bargain price. Why is that Black's fault? The new owners, having got the club for nowt, with no debt to pay and promising a £4m playing budget, should have had no trouble keeping Ritchie. Whether the club had actually changed hands at the time of the Ritchie deal is neither here nor there. McCrory and his mob could easily have made the club a loan. But of course that couldn't happen because they had no intention of investing in the club in any shape or form. All roads lead back to their lies. They deceived Di Canio and Patey, just like they deceived thousands of fans with their smarmy bullshiit. It's a bit rich for fans to blame Black if they were massaging PDC's ego and then they were also taken in by the liars. Hindsight, eh? Isn't it wonderful?[/p][/quote]Trouble is Den I loved the Di Canio era. Fell in love with my club again. Going home and away was fantastic. It's was exciting and much to look forward to. To be honest I didn't want to think about the budgets because I simply wanted to get wrapped up into following a successful club. Why shouldn't I and why shouldn't anyone else years of mediocracy makes you feel that way.[/p][/quote]Lets be honest, there can be no Town fans who didn't enjoy the fun while it lasted, but at what cost? My abiding thought about it all was had we had a manager who spent the money wisely, I believe we would have been in the championship by now, and probably still had Black and his cronies in charge. PDC was short term gain, long term pain unfortunately.[/p][/quote]Very enjoyable but also very embarrassing watching pdc in the dough out and on tv,,, The worse thing was STFC spent way way too much money from the time fitton and black were here but never reached the c/ship like ya bournemouth and brentford or even ya doncaster.. dazzastfc
  • Score: -3

7:36pm Sun 27 Jul 14

lifelong red says...

I have always been fully behind Lee Powers ultimate aim of making this club a sustainable one , but what worries me mostly is if this also means a season or seasons of mid table mediocrity , then will our fickle fans support it , I fear not as a large percentage are only interested in success .I can only hope Power has taken this into account as we could be looking at gates falling to well below the 6, ooo , mark if this is ever the case.
I have always been fully behind Lee Powers ultimate aim of making this club a sustainable one , but what worries me mostly is if this also means a season or seasons of mid table mediocrity , then will our fickle fans support it , I fear not as a large percentage are only interested in success .I can only hope Power has taken this into account as we could be looking at gates falling to well below the 6, ooo , mark if this is ever the case. lifelong red
  • Score: 1

9:49pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Di kanny oh says...

the wizard wrote:
The Nomis wrote:
Nathon Thompson is going to Peterborough
Says who ??????? Proof ?????
Utter tripe absolutely nothing on any PBoro site and plus they have just signed a right back from Brizzle Rovers.
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Nomis[/bold] wrote: Nathon Thompson is going to Peterborough[/p][/quote]Says who ??????? Proof ?????[/p][/quote]Utter tripe absolutely nothing on any PBoro site and plus they have just signed a right back from Brizzle Rovers. Di kanny oh
  • Score: 0

10:48pm Sun 27 Jul 14

TheDukeOfBanbury says...

Oi Den! wrote:
TheDukeOfBanbury wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
All good with me Wiz. Hope the same goes for you.

I agree with much of what you say. The skeletons (1947 debenture, was it?) were a figment of McCrory's vivid imagination though - all part of his smokescreen, just like that word &quot;sustainability


" which forms such an essential part of the McCrory blagspeak. It's code for "I'm putting f*ck all into the club and I'll be rinsing it for all I can get". (See Hereford United, right now.)

I presume you refer to the sale of Ritchie at a bargain price. Why is that Black's fault? The new owners, having got the club for nowt, with no debt to pay and promising a £4m playing budget, should have had no trouble keeping Ritchie. Whether the club had actually changed hands at the time of the Ritchie deal is neither here nor there. McCrory and his mob could easily have made the club a loan. But of course that couldn't happen because they had no intention of investing in the club in any shape or form. All roads lead back to their lies. They deceived Di Canio and Patey, just like they deceived thousands of fans with their smarmy bullshiit. It's a bit rich for fans to blame Black if they were massaging PDC's ego and then they were also taken in by the liars.

Hindsight, eh? Isn't it wonderful?
Trouble is Den I loved the Di Canio era.
Fell in love with my club again.
Going home and away was fantastic. It's was exciting and much to look forward to. To be honest I didn't want to think about the budgets because I simply wanted to get wrapped up into following a successful club.
Why shouldn't I and why shouldn't anyone else years of mediocracy makes you feel that way.
Duke, don't misunderstand me. I enjoyed it as much as anyone but I think we all knew PDC was a ticking time bomb. We lived on the edge from day to day with him in charge. Come to think of it, that was probably part of the excitement but in the end of course the inevitable explosion happened. I don't think too many were surprised by it. DS has it right in my view. If the board hadn't taken the big gamble on PDC we wouldn't have had the excitement but we may well have been a stable club, well established in the Championship by now - and still well funded. I remember saying when Di Canio was appointed that he'd either be a disaster or a roaring success. What few of us expected was that he would be both. Knowing his volatile personality and his single minded desire to succeed, maybe we should have expected exactly what we got - a mixed bag. His tenure wasn't sustainable in the general sense and, whether we admitted it to ourselves or not, I think we all knew it.

By the way, unless you're a hard nosed businessman who wants to be at the sharp end of running your football club, I reckon you'd be well advised to keep your lottery winnings well away from STFC, otherwise it will be your fault when it all goes t1ts up after you appoint someone else to run it for you. I used to have the same romantic notion as you, thinking I'd be doing STFC some good by sharing some unlikely good fortune with the club. Not any more.
You speak with sense mate.
My heart just wants me to run on that pitch again and dance on top of the dug out :)
Silly old fool like me would probably fall off now and bust my ankle :)

Seriously would blow some serious lottery money. Would simply write it off.
Have been sponsoring games since 2002 and must be mad but you know mate I still love it. Must be my old mans Pompey roots that makes me still do it.
Looking back could of turned right to Pompey but chose left to Swindon.
No way was I going down the straight road to those yellows.
Keep smiling Den and taking those tablets we are still family.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheDukeOfBanbury[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: All good with me Wiz. Hope the same goes for you. I agree with much of what you say. The skeletons (1947 debenture, was it?) were a figment of McCrory's vivid imagination though - all part of his smokescreen, just like that word "sustainability " which forms such an essential part of the McCrory blagspeak. It's code for "I'm putting f*ck all into the club and I'll be rinsing it for all I can get". (See Hereford United, right now.) I presume you refer to the sale of Ritchie at a bargain price. Why is that Black's fault? The new owners, having got the club for nowt, with no debt to pay and promising a £4m playing budget, should have had no trouble keeping Ritchie. Whether the club had actually changed hands at the time of the Ritchie deal is neither here nor there. McCrory and his mob could easily have made the club a loan. But of course that couldn't happen because they had no intention of investing in the club in any shape or form. All roads lead back to their lies. They deceived Di Canio and Patey, just like they deceived thousands of fans with their smarmy bullshiit. It's a bit rich for fans to blame Black if they were massaging PDC's ego and then they were also taken in by the liars. Hindsight, eh? Isn't it wonderful?[/p][/quote]Trouble is Den I loved the Di Canio era. Fell in love with my club again. Going home and away was fantastic. It's was exciting and much to look forward to. To be honest I didn't want to think about the budgets because I simply wanted to get wrapped up into following a successful club. Why shouldn't I and why shouldn't anyone else years of mediocracy makes you feel that way.[/p][/quote]Duke, don't misunderstand me. I enjoyed it as much as anyone but I think we all knew PDC was a ticking time bomb. We lived on the edge from day to day with him in charge. Come to think of it, that was probably part of the excitement but in the end of course the inevitable explosion happened. I don't think too many were surprised by it. DS has it right in my view. If the board hadn't taken the big gamble on PDC we wouldn't have had the excitement but we may well have been a stable club, well established in the Championship by now - and still well funded. I remember saying when Di Canio was appointed that he'd either be a disaster or a roaring success. What few of us expected was that he would be both. Knowing his volatile personality and his single minded desire to succeed, maybe we should have expected exactly what we got - a mixed bag. His tenure wasn't sustainable in the general sense and, whether we admitted it to ourselves or not, I think we all knew it. By the way, unless you're a hard nosed businessman who wants to be at the sharp end of running your football club, I reckon you'd be well advised to keep your lottery winnings well away from STFC, otherwise it will be your fault when it all goes t1ts up after you appoint someone else to run it for you. I used to have the same romantic notion as you, thinking I'd be doing STFC some good by sharing some unlikely good fortune with the club. Not any more.[/p][/quote]You speak with sense mate. My heart just wants me to run on that pitch again and dance on top of the dug out :) Silly old fool like me would probably fall off now and bust my ankle :) Seriously would blow some serious lottery money. Would simply write it off. Have been sponsoring games since 2002 and must be mad but you know mate I still love it. Must be my old mans Pompey roots that makes me still do it. Looking back could of turned right to Pompey but chose left to Swindon. No way was I going down the straight road to those yellows. Keep smiling Den and taking those tablets we are still family. TheDukeOfBanbury
  • Score: 2

10:48pm Sun 27 Jul 14

TheDukeOfBanbury says...

Oi Den! wrote:
TheDukeOfBanbury wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
All good with me Wiz. Hope the same goes for you.

I agree with much of what you say. The skeletons (1947 debenture, was it?) were a figment of McCrory's vivid imagination though - all part of his smokescreen, just like that word &quot;sustainability


" which forms such an essential part of the McCrory blagspeak. It's code for "I'm putting f*ck all into the club and I'll be rinsing it for all I can get". (See Hereford United, right now.)

I presume you refer to the sale of Ritchie at a bargain price. Why is that Black's fault? The new owners, having got the club for nowt, with no debt to pay and promising a £4m playing budget, should have had no trouble keeping Ritchie. Whether the club had actually changed hands at the time of the Ritchie deal is neither here nor there. McCrory and his mob could easily have made the club a loan. But of course that couldn't happen because they had no intention of investing in the club in any shape or form. All roads lead back to their lies. They deceived Di Canio and Patey, just like they deceived thousands of fans with their smarmy bullshiit. It's a bit rich for fans to blame Black if they were massaging PDC's ego and then they were also taken in by the liars.

Hindsight, eh? Isn't it wonderful?
Trouble is Den I loved the Di Canio era.
Fell in love with my club again.
Going home and away was fantastic. It's was exciting and much to look forward to. To be honest I didn't want to think about the budgets because I simply wanted to get wrapped up into following a successful club.
Why shouldn't I and why shouldn't anyone else years of mediocracy makes you feel that way.
Duke, don't misunderstand me. I enjoyed it as much as anyone but I think we all knew PDC was a ticking time bomb. We lived on the edge from day to day with him in charge. Come to think of it, that was probably part of the excitement but in the end of course the inevitable explosion happened. I don't think too many were surprised by it. DS has it right in my view. If the board hadn't taken the big gamble on PDC we wouldn't have had the excitement but we may well have been a stable club, well established in the Championship by now - and still well funded. I remember saying when Di Canio was appointed that he'd either be a disaster or a roaring success. What few of us expected was that he would be both. Knowing his volatile personality and his single minded desire to succeed, maybe we should have expected exactly what we got - a mixed bag. His tenure wasn't sustainable in the general sense and, whether we admitted it to ourselves or not, I think we all knew it.

By the way, unless you're a hard nosed businessman who wants to be at the sharp end of running your football club, I reckon you'd be well advised to keep your lottery winnings well away from STFC, otherwise it will be your fault when it all goes t1ts up after you appoint someone else to run it for you. I used to have the same romantic notion as you, thinking I'd be doing STFC some good by sharing some unlikely good fortune with the club. Not any more.
You speak with sense mate.
My heart just wants me to run on that pitch again and dance on top of the dug out :)
Silly old fool like me would probably fall off now and bust my ankle :)

Seriously would blow some serious lottery money. Would simply write it off.
Have been sponsoring games since 2002 and must be mad but you know mate I still love it. Must be my old mans Pompey roots that makes me still do it.
Looking back could of turned right to Pompey but chose left to Swindon.
No way was I going down the straight road to those yellows.
Keep smiling Den and taking those tablets we are still family.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheDukeOfBanbury[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: All good with me Wiz. Hope the same goes for you. I agree with much of what you say. The skeletons (1947 debenture, was it?) were a figment of McCrory's vivid imagination though - all part of his smokescreen, just like that word "sustainability " which forms such an essential part of the McCrory blagspeak. It's code for "I'm putting f*ck all into the club and I'll be rinsing it for all I can get". (See Hereford United, right now.) I presume you refer to the sale of Ritchie at a bargain price. Why is that Black's fault? The new owners, having got the club for nowt, with no debt to pay and promising a £4m playing budget, should have had no trouble keeping Ritchie. Whether the club had actually changed hands at the time of the Ritchie deal is neither here nor there. McCrory and his mob could easily have made the club a loan. But of course that couldn't happen because they had no intention of investing in the club in any shape or form. All roads lead back to their lies. They deceived Di Canio and Patey, just like they deceived thousands of fans with their smarmy bullshiit. It's a bit rich for fans to blame Black if they were massaging PDC's ego and then they were also taken in by the liars. Hindsight, eh? Isn't it wonderful?[/p][/quote]Trouble is Den I loved the Di Canio era. Fell in love with my club again. Going home and away was fantastic. It's was exciting and much to look forward to. To be honest I didn't want to think about the budgets because I simply wanted to get wrapped up into following a successful club. Why shouldn't I and why shouldn't anyone else years of mediocracy makes you feel that way.[/p][/quote]Duke, don't misunderstand me. I enjoyed it as much as anyone but I think we all knew PDC was a ticking time bomb. We lived on the edge from day to day with him in charge. Come to think of it, that was probably part of the excitement but in the end of course the inevitable explosion happened. I don't think too many were surprised by it. DS has it right in my view. If the board hadn't taken the big gamble on PDC we wouldn't have had the excitement but we may well have been a stable club, well established in the Championship by now - and still well funded. I remember saying when Di Canio was appointed that he'd either be a disaster or a roaring success. What few of us expected was that he would be both. Knowing his volatile personality and his single minded desire to succeed, maybe we should have expected exactly what we got - a mixed bag. His tenure wasn't sustainable in the general sense and, whether we admitted it to ourselves or not, I think we all knew it. By the way, unless you're a hard nosed businessman who wants to be at the sharp end of running your football club, I reckon you'd be well advised to keep your lottery winnings well away from STFC, otherwise it will be your fault when it all goes t1ts up after you appoint someone else to run it for you. I used to have the same romantic notion as you, thinking I'd be doing STFC some good by sharing some unlikely good fortune with the club. Not any more.[/p][/quote]You speak with sense mate. My heart just wants me to run on that pitch again and dance on top of the dug out :) Silly old fool like me would probably fall off now and bust my ankle :) Seriously would blow some serious lottery money. Would simply write it off. Have been sponsoring games since 2002 and must be mad but you know mate I still love it. Must be my old mans Pompey roots that makes me still do it. Looking back could of turned right to Pompey but chose left to Swindon. No way was I going down the straight road to those yellows. Keep smiling Den and taking those tablets we are still family. TheDukeOfBanbury
  • Score: 1

12:23am Mon 28 Jul 14

mancrobin says...

swindonjason wrote:
Its preseason. All about fitness, experimenting and match practice. No points are won or lost, so personally not bothered.
Correct. In fact, a rubbish pre season has normally been the precedent to a good season, as was a sound thrashing by Gillingham in the opening game a few years ago. It means little.

I remain a 'happy clapper'. I doubt if we will trouble the automatic promotion slots but would be surprised if Power doesn't put together a side similar to last year.

Far too many over anxious 'doom merchants' on this site, IMO. Why not hold back your anxiety and over negativity until a few games have actually taken place.
[quote][p][bold]swindonjason[/bold] wrote: Its preseason. All about fitness, experimenting and match practice. No points are won or lost, so personally not bothered.[/p][/quote]Correct. In fact, a rubbish pre season has normally been the precedent to a good season, as was a sound thrashing by Gillingham in the opening game a few years ago. It means little. I remain a 'happy clapper'. I doubt if we will trouble the automatic promotion slots but would be surprised if Power doesn't put together a side similar to last year. Far too many over anxious 'doom merchants' on this site, IMO. Why not hold back your anxiety and over negativity until a few games have actually taken place. mancrobin
  • Score: 0

8:46am Mon 28 Jul 14

Oi Den! says...

mancrobin wrote:
swindonjason wrote:
Its preseason. All about fitness, experimenting and match practice. No points are won or lost, so personally not bothered.
Correct. In fact, a rubbish pre season has normally been the precedent to a good season, as was a sound thrashing by Gillingham in the opening game a few years ago. It means little.

I remain a 'happy clapper'. I doubt if we will trouble the automatic promotion slots but would be surprised if Power doesn't put together a side similar to last year.

Far too many over anxious 'doom merchants' on this site, IMO. Why not hold back your anxiety and over negativity until a few games have actually taken place.
Hmmm - agree with the general sentiment manc but I wouldn't bracket meaningless friendlies with the first game of the season. A good performance and 3 points from the first game must be what we all want. Anyway, what about Brighton at home at the start of 10/11, when we surrendered meekly and in the end we were the worst team in the division by some distance?
[quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swindonjason[/bold] wrote: Its preseason. All about fitness, experimenting and match practice. No points are won or lost, so personally not bothered.[/p][/quote]Correct. In fact, a rubbish pre season has normally been the precedent to a good season, as was a sound thrashing by Gillingham in the opening game a few years ago. It means little. I remain a 'happy clapper'. I doubt if we will trouble the automatic promotion slots but would be surprised if Power doesn't put together a side similar to last year. Far too many over anxious 'doom merchants' on this site, IMO. Why not hold back your anxiety and over negativity until a few games have actually taken place.[/p][/quote]Hmmm - agree with the general sentiment manc but I wouldn't bracket meaningless friendlies with the first game of the season. A good performance and 3 points from the first game must be what we all want. Anyway, what about Brighton at home at the start of 10/11, when we surrendered meekly and in the end we were the worst team in the division by some distance? Oi Den!
  • Score: 0

9:07am Mon 28 Jul 14

buckobassettboy says...

I am with the Duke of Banbury.The interest that PDC created was a much needed boost at the time-followed by promotion.Away days were brilliant and who could forget his response at Northampton.At least he showed some passion and posters on here should remember that-and not bringing his name and others up as an excuse for the abysmal,errant and woeful performances-friendl
y and non-league-that STFC have thus far produced.Has anyone noticed just how long and in depth the match report is?-for a non game,doesn't matter result?I will eat my bobble hat if the half baked,unfit team we have get anywhere near the play-offs.From what I saw at Bromley we have got a good chance of being in the four at the other end of the table.Best of luck to those with their season tickets.
I am with the Duke of Banbury.The interest that PDC created was a much needed boost at the time-followed by promotion.Away days were brilliant and who could forget his response at Northampton.At least he showed some passion and posters on here should remember that-and not bringing his name and others up as an excuse for the abysmal,errant and woeful performances-friendl y and non-league-that STFC have thus far produced.Has anyone noticed just how long and in depth the match report is?-for a non game,doesn't matter result?I will eat my bobble hat if the half baked,unfit team we have get anywhere near the play-offs.From what I saw at Bromley we have got a good chance of being in the four at the other end of the table.Best of luck to those with their season tickets. buckobassettboy
  • Score: 0

11:06am Mon 28 Jul 14

London Red says...

Oi Den! wrote:
mancrobin wrote:
swindonjason wrote: Its preseason. All about fitness, experimenting and match practice. No points are won or lost, so personally not bothered.
Correct. In fact, a rubbish pre season has normally been the precedent to a good season, as was a sound thrashing by Gillingham in the opening game a few years ago. It means little. I remain a 'happy clapper'. I doubt if we will trouble the automatic promotion slots but would be surprised if Power doesn't put together a side similar to last year. Far too many over anxious 'doom merchants' on this site, IMO. Why not hold back your anxiety and over negativity until a few games have actually taken place.
Hmmm - agree with the general sentiment manc but I wouldn't bracket meaningless friendlies with the first game of the season. A good performance and 3 points from the first game must be what we all want. Anyway, what about Brighton at home at the start of 10/11, when we surrendered meekly and in the end we were the worst team in the division by some distance?
Lets not forget the opening game of 09/10 was a 5-o hammering at Gillingham
.
That year we ended up blowing automatic promotion!
.
Yes First game is important - but not the be all and end all - if it takes a few weeks to finalise the squad - so be it - there are 46 games in a season
.
Its not ideal - but as all the way to the top is showing it takes time for deals to happen - Van Gaal is saying Man U are imbalanced and so far hasn't signed many to adress their real weaknesses!
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swindonjason[/bold] wrote: Its preseason. All about fitness, experimenting and match practice. No points are won or lost, so personally not bothered.[/p][/quote]Correct. In fact, a rubbish pre season has normally been the precedent to a good season, as was a sound thrashing by Gillingham in the opening game a few years ago. It means little. I remain a 'happy clapper'. I doubt if we will trouble the automatic promotion slots but would be surprised if Power doesn't put together a side similar to last year. Far too many over anxious 'doom merchants' on this site, IMO. Why not hold back your anxiety and over negativity until a few games have actually taken place.[/p][/quote]Hmmm - agree with the general sentiment manc but I wouldn't bracket meaningless friendlies with the first game of the season. A good performance and 3 points from the first game must be what we all want. Anyway, what about Brighton at home at the start of 10/11, when we surrendered meekly and in the end we were the worst team in the division by some distance?[/p][/quote]Lets not forget the opening game of 09/10 was a 5-o hammering at Gillingham . That year we ended up blowing automatic promotion! . Yes First game is important - but not the be all and end all - if it takes a few weeks to finalise the squad - so be it - there are 46 games in a season . Its not ideal - but as all the way to the top is showing it takes time for deals to happen - Van Gaal is saying Man U are imbalanced and so far hasn't signed many to adress their real weaknesses! London Red
  • Score: 0

12:30pm Mon 28 Jul 14

TheDukeOfBanbury says...

London Red wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
mancrobin wrote:
swindonjason wrote: Its preseason. All about fitness, experimenting and match practice. No points are won or lost, so personally not bothered.
Correct. In fact, a rubbish pre season has normally been the precedent to a good season, as was a sound thrashing by Gillingham in the opening game a few years ago. It means little. I remain a 'happy clapper'. I doubt if we will trouble the automatic promotion slots but would be surprised if Power doesn't put together a side similar to last year. Far too many over anxious 'doom merchants' on this site, IMO. Why not hold back your anxiety and over negativity until a few games have actually taken place.
Hmmm - agree with the general sentiment manc but I wouldn't bracket meaningless friendlies with the first game of the season. A good performance and 3 points from the first game must be what we all want. Anyway, what about Brighton at home at the start of 10/11, when we surrendered meekly and in the end we were the worst team in the division by some distance?
Lets not forget the opening game of 09/10 was a 5-o hammering at Gillingham
.
That year we ended up blowing automatic promotion!
.
Yes First game is important - but not the be all and end all - if it takes a few weeks to finalise the squad - so be it - there are 46 games in a season
.
Its not ideal - but as all the way to the top is showing it takes time for deals to happen - Van Gaal is saying Man U are imbalanced and so far hasn't signed many to adress their real weaknesses!
.... And told if you want to break the transfer record you can.
What a great luxury. Whilst we wait with fingers crossed for clubs to release some youngsters.
Not moaning at that but a reality check on where we are.
Today we are not ready for a Div 1 campaign. Days are ticking and little time to gell a squad if 4 players if signing.
Mind you they are likely to get a start if any good.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swindonjason[/bold] wrote: Its preseason. All about fitness, experimenting and match practice. No points are won or lost, so personally not bothered.[/p][/quote]Correct. In fact, a rubbish pre season has normally been the precedent to a good season, as was a sound thrashing by Gillingham in the opening game a few years ago. It means little. I remain a 'happy clapper'. I doubt if we will trouble the automatic promotion slots but would be surprised if Power doesn't put together a side similar to last year. Far too many over anxious 'doom merchants' on this site, IMO. Why not hold back your anxiety and over negativity until a few games have actually taken place.[/p][/quote]Hmmm - agree with the general sentiment manc but I wouldn't bracket meaningless friendlies with the first game of the season. A good performance and 3 points from the first game must be what we all want. Anyway, what about Brighton at home at the start of 10/11, when we surrendered meekly and in the end we were the worst team in the division by some distance?[/p][/quote]Lets not forget the opening game of 09/10 was a 5-o hammering at Gillingham . That year we ended up blowing automatic promotion! . Yes First game is important - but not the be all and end all - if it takes a few weeks to finalise the squad - so be it - there are 46 games in a season . Its not ideal - but as all the way to the top is showing it takes time for deals to happen - Van Gaal is saying Man U are imbalanced and so far hasn't signed many to adress their real weaknesses![/p][/quote].... And told if you want to break the transfer record you can. What a great luxury. Whilst we wait with fingers crossed for clubs to release some youngsters. Not moaning at that but a reality check on where we are. Today we are not ready for a Div 1 campaign. Days are ticking and little time to gell a squad if 4 players if signing. Mind you they are likely to get a start if any good. TheDukeOfBanbury
  • Score: 1

1:32pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Davidsyrett says...

" Best of luck to those with their season tickets." I cant understand comments like this. Too many people on this site seem to look down at us season ticket holders, yet we are the real fans who follow our team through thick & thin. Nevermind, I'm sure you'd rather be shopping on a saturday afternoon.
" Best of luck to those with their season tickets." I cant understand comments like this. Too many people on this site seem to look down at us season ticket holders, yet we are the real fans who follow our team through thick & thin. Nevermind, I'm sure you'd rather be shopping on a saturday afternoon. Davidsyrett
  • Score: 0

3:38pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Oi Den! says...

London Red wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
mancrobin wrote:
swindonjason wrote: Its preseason. All about fitness, experimenting and match practice. No points are won or lost, so personally not bothered.
Correct. In fact, a rubbish pre season has normally been the precedent to a good season, as was a sound thrashing by Gillingham in the opening game a few years ago. It means little. I remain a 'happy clapper'. I doubt if we will trouble the automatic promotion slots but would be surprised if Power doesn't put together a side similar to last year. Far too many over anxious 'doom merchants' on this site, IMO. Why not hold back your anxiety and over negativity until a few games have actually taken place.
Hmmm - agree with the general sentiment manc but I wouldn't bracket meaningless friendlies with the first game of the season. A good performance and 3 points from the first game must be what we all want. Anyway, what about Brighton at home at the start of 10/11, when we surrendered meekly and in the end we were the worst team in the division by some distance?
Lets not forget the opening game of 09/10 was a 5-o hammering at Gillingham
.
That year we ended up blowing automatic promotion!
.
Yes First game is important - but not the be all and end all - if it takes a few weeks to finalise the squad - so be it - there are 46 games in a season
.
Its not ideal - but as all the way to the top is showing it takes time for deals to happen - Van Gaal is saying Man U are imbalanced and so far hasn't signed many to adress their real weaknesses!
Manc mentioned the Gillingham game and I used the Brighton match to illustrate that a bad start actually means neither one thing nor the other. The one thing we know for sure is that a win puts 3 points on the board. If we are close to either promotion or relegation come next May, 3 points lost on the first day of the season could make a huge difference. Take that Gillingham game for instance. How important those 3 points might have been at the end of the season. LR it sounds like you're expecting defeat to Scunthorpre and you're getting your excuses in early!

The other significant thing about the first game of the season is that a win will tempt some of the "shall I or shan't I" people to turn up for the next game. On the other hand, theyy will see a defeat as vindicating their doubts, making it harder to increase the number of bums on seats.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swindonjason[/bold] wrote: Its preseason. All about fitness, experimenting and match practice. No points are won or lost, so personally not bothered.[/p][/quote]Correct. In fact, a rubbish pre season has normally been the precedent to a good season, as was a sound thrashing by Gillingham in the opening game a few years ago. It means little. I remain a 'happy clapper'. I doubt if we will trouble the automatic promotion slots but would be surprised if Power doesn't put together a side similar to last year. Far too many over anxious 'doom merchants' on this site, IMO. Why not hold back your anxiety and over negativity until a few games have actually taken place.[/p][/quote]Hmmm - agree with the general sentiment manc but I wouldn't bracket meaningless friendlies with the first game of the season. A good performance and 3 points from the first game must be what we all want. Anyway, what about Brighton at home at the start of 10/11, when we surrendered meekly and in the end we were the worst team in the division by some distance?[/p][/quote]Lets not forget the opening game of 09/10 was a 5-o hammering at Gillingham . That year we ended up blowing automatic promotion! . Yes First game is important - but not the be all and end all - if it takes a few weeks to finalise the squad - so be it - there are 46 games in a season . Its not ideal - but as all the way to the top is showing it takes time for deals to happen - Van Gaal is saying Man U are imbalanced and so far hasn't signed many to adress their real weaknesses![/p][/quote]Manc mentioned the Gillingham game and I used the Brighton match to illustrate that a bad start actually means neither one thing nor the other. The one thing we know for sure is that a win puts 3 points on the board. If we are close to either promotion or relegation come next May, 3 points lost on the first day of the season could make a huge difference. Take that Gillingham game for instance. How important those 3 points might have been at the end of the season. LR it sounds like you're expecting defeat to Scunthorpre and you're getting your excuses in early! The other significant thing about the first game of the season is that a win will tempt some of the "shall I or shan't I" people to turn up for the next game. On the other hand, theyy will see a defeat as vindicating their doubts, making it harder to increase the number of bums on seats. Oi Den!
  • Score: 1

5:41pm Mon 28 Jul 14

London Red says...

Not doing anything of the sort Den - I'm just not going to judge the squad until Oct/Nov when we will have a better view of how we are likely to fair - rather than after a draw in a friendly or 1 league game
.
First game is only worth 3 points - same as 2nd, 3rd, 10th or 46th!
.
So those points are no more vital than any others - it purely the total after 46 that counts
.
You can drop points at any stage and it could cost you just the same - a poor game at home in Feb is just as costly as the first game!
Not doing anything of the sort Den - I'm just not going to judge the squad until Oct/Nov when we will have a better view of how we are likely to fair - rather than after a draw in a friendly or 1 league game . First game is only worth 3 points - same as 2nd, 3rd, 10th or 46th! . So those points are no more vital than any others - it purely the total after 46 that counts . You can drop points at any stage and it could cost you just the same - a poor game at home in Feb is just as costly as the first game! London Red
  • Score: 0

6:35pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Oi Den! says...

Fair enough LR. I was just pulling your leg. I agree with everything you say. 3 points is 3 points at any time of the season, although I do think a good start boosts everyone associated with the club. As my old history teacher used to say "Nothing succeeds like success... and nothing fails like the other thing". Early momentum would be great.
Fair enough LR. I was just pulling your leg. I agree with everything you say. 3 points is 3 points at any time of the season, although I do think a good start boosts everyone associated with the club. As my old history teacher used to say "Nothing succeeds like success... and nothing fails like the other thing". Early momentum would be great. Oi Den!
  • Score: 0

9:05pm Mon 28 Jul 14

dazzastfc says...

Oi Den! wrote:
London Red wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
mancrobin wrote:
swindonjason wrote: Its preseason. All about fitness, experimenting and match practice. No points are won or lost, so personally not bothered.
Correct. In fact, a rubbish pre season has normally been the precedent to a good season, as was a sound thrashing by Gillingham in the opening game a few years ago. It means little. I remain a 'happy clapper'. I doubt if we will trouble the automatic promotion slots but would be surprised if Power doesn't put together a side similar to last year. Far too many over anxious 'doom merchants' on this site, IMO. Why not hold back your anxiety and over negativity until a few games have actually taken place.
Hmmm - agree with the general sentiment manc but I wouldn't bracket meaningless friendlies with the first game of the season. A good performance and 3 points from the first game must be what we all want. Anyway, what about Brighton at home at the start of 10/11, when we surrendered meekly and in the end we were the worst team in the division by some distance?
Lets not forget the opening game of 09/10 was a 5-o hammering at Gillingham
.
That year we ended up blowing automatic promotion!
.
Yes First game is important - but not the be all and end all - if it takes a few weeks to finalise the squad - so be it - there are 46 games in a season
.
Its not ideal - but as all the way to the top is showing it takes time for deals to happen - Van Gaal is saying Man U are imbalanced and so far hasn't signed many to adress their real weaknesses!
Manc mentioned the Gillingham game and I used the Brighton match to illustrate that a bad start actually means neither one thing nor the other. The one thing we know for sure is that a win puts 3 points on the board. If we are close to either promotion or relegation come next May, 3 points lost on the first day of the season could make a huge difference. Take that Gillingham game for instance. How important those 3 points might have been at the end of the season. LR it sounds like you're expecting defeat to Scunthorpre and you're getting your excuses in early!

The other significant thing about the first game of the season is that a win will tempt some of the &quot;shall I or shan't I" people to turn up for the next game. On the other hand, theyy will see a defeat as vindicating their doubts, making it harder to increase the number of bums on seats.
EVERY GAME AND POINT WILL MATTER THIS SEASON...
How can anyone say the first games don't matter...

It is crucial that we get a win in the first game...
Dont 4get we are a young team so a good start will do them the world of good...
lose and it could very well lead to a bad start then you are playing catch up with a team that will be VERY VERY LOW on confidence...
AND CONFIDENCE IS VERY HARD TO GET BACK WHEN YOU ARE LOSING
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swindonjason[/bold] wrote: Its preseason. All about fitness, experimenting and match practice. No points are won or lost, so personally not bothered.[/p][/quote]Correct. In fact, a rubbish pre season has normally been the precedent to a good season, as was a sound thrashing by Gillingham in the opening game a few years ago. It means little. I remain a 'happy clapper'. I doubt if we will trouble the automatic promotion slots but would be surprised if Power doesn't put together a side similar to last year. Far too many over anxious 'doom merchants' on this site, IMO. Why not hold back your anxiety and over negativity until a few games have actually taken place.[/p][/quote]Hmmm - agree with the general sentiment manc but I wouldn't bracket meaningless friendlies with the first game of the season. A good performance and 3 points from the first game must be what we all want. Anyway, what about Brighton at home at the start of 10/11, when we surrendered meekly and in the end we were the worst team in the division by some distance?[/p][/quote]Lets not forget the opening game of 09/10 was a 5-o hammering at Gillingham . That year we ended up blowing automatic promotion! . Yes First game is important - but not the be all and end all - if it takes a few weeks to finalise the squad - so be it - there are 46 games in a season . Its not ideal - but as all the way to the top is showing it takes time for deals to happen - Van Gaal is saying Man U are imbalanced and so far hasn't signed many to adress their real weaknesses![/p][/quote]Manc mentioned the Gillingham game and I used the Brighton match to illustrate that a bad start actually means neither one thing nor the other. The one thing we know for sure is that a win puts 3 points on the board. If we are close to either promotion or relegation come next May, 3 points lost on the first day of the season could make a huge difference. Take that Gillingham game for instance. How important those 3 points might have been at the end of the season. LR it sounds like you're expecting defeat to Scunthorpre and you're getting your excuses in early! The other significant thing about the first game of the season is that a win will tempt some of the "shall I or shan't I" people to turn up for the next game. On the other hand, theyy will see a defeat as vindicating their doubts, making it harder to increase the number of bums on seats.[/p][/quote]EVERY GAME AND POINT WILL MATTER THIS SEASON... How can anyone say the first games don't matter... It is crucial that we get a win in the first game... Dont 4get we are a young team so a good start will do them the world of good... lose and it could very well lead to a bad start then you are playing catch up with a team that will be VERY VERY LOW on confidence... AND CONFIDENCE IS VERY HARD TO GET BACK WHEN YOU ARE LOSING dazzastfc
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