SWINDON TOWN: Cooper wants more from frontmen

Mark Cooper

Mark Cooper

First published in Sport Swindon Advertiser: Photograph of the Author by , Sports reporter

SWINDON Town manager Mark Cooper feels that his side need to show their potency in front of goal as the new season draws closer.

The County Ground side have enjoyed a great deal of possession during their pre-season friendlies but without the creativity of play-maker Alex Pritchard, who spent last season on loan at SN1 from Spurs, they have struggled to set-up a number of chances.

But with more than a week until Scunthorpe United arrive in town, Cooper feels that there is still plenty of time to sort that problem out.

“We need to keep working and working hard,” the manager said. “We have to make sure that we are a threat at one end of the pitch and a little bit tighter at the other end.

“We have got defenders that can keep the ball. I know people will say that there is no threat, but we have to try and keep the ball.

“We had a lot of possession again (against Leeds United), but we need to work on being a little more potent and making the most of that possession, of course, we do, but we have still got 10 days to work on that.

“We haven’t got anyone as creative as Alex, so we have to maybe look at doing it differently unless we can get one in.”

On the strike partnership of Michael Smith and Andy Williams, the Robins chief said: “They are very similar, so we have got work to do as a partnership with them.”

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7:30am Thu 31 Jul 14

The Nomis says...

What with our current strike force??? No chance!! Can't see who's gonna get the goals?. As soon as we go 1-0 down we will be ****....Unless we bring in a couple of half decent experienced strikers in asap
What with our current strike force??? No chance!! Can't see who's gonna get the goals?. As soon as we go 1-0 down we will be ****....Unless we bring in a couple of half decent experienced strikers in asap The Nomis
  • Score: -23

7:42am Thu 31 Jul 14

Davethered says...

Ought to try and sign the lad Storey from Pompey. He looks a good prospect.
Ought to try and sign the lad Storey from Pompey. He looks a good prospect. Davethered
  • Score: -20

8:27am Thu 31 Jul 14

old town robin says...

“We haven’t got anyone as creative as Alex, so we have to maybe look at doing it differently unless we can get one in.”

Not sure how Cooper thinks he can do it differently, but expecting our wing backs to defend as well as getting forward to create chances is a big ask of players with average ability. Smith and Williams or whom ever else plays up front won't be potent unless they get the service from players that can get past defenders and centre a decent ball for them to get on the end of. We are not particularly blessed in that department hence the side way passing with no end result.

Nowadays an out and out winger is a luxury which can prove effective if we played 3 up front whilst conceding some mid-field possession The one player who was supposed to be able to have that ability is Tijane Reis who has spent 90% of his time with us injured. I think I've seen him play once and that was a friendly! It's difficult to say what his worth to us could be when we have hardly seen him play. I don't understand how a suppose to be fit young man can spend so much time out without playing unless he's a complete crock.

I hope Coopers plan B is not to keep it narrow for S & W to get on to balls over the top, because I don't see too many goals coming from that tactic given their ball control. Personally I think finding a pacey creative winger is a priority that would probably be more beneficial than another striker.
“We haven’t got anyone as creative as Alex, so we have to maybe look at doing it differently unless we can get one in.” Not sure how Cooper thinks he can do it differently, but expecting our wing backs to defend as well as getting forward to create chances is a big ask of players with average ability. Smith and Williams or whom ever else plays up front won't be potent unless they get the service from players that can get past defenders and centre a decent ball for them to get on the end of. We are not particularly blessed in that department hence the side way passing with no end result. Nowadays an out and out winger is a luxury which can prove effective if we played 3 up front whilst conceding some mid-field possession The one player who was supposed to be able to have that ability is Tijane Reis who has spent 90% of his time with us injured. I think I've seen him play once and that was a friendly! It's difficult to say what his worth to us could be when we have hardly seen him play. I don't understand how a suppose to be fit young man can spend so much time out without playing unless he's a complete crock. I hope Coopers plan B is not to keep it narrow for S & W to get on to balls over the top, because I don't see too many goals coming from that tactic given their ball control. Personally I think finding a pacey creative winger is a priority that would probably be more beneficial than another striker. old town robin
  • Score: 9

8:37am Thu 31 Jul 14

mancrobin says...

I would like to see the wing back approach, especially if they are allowed to get to the by-line and cross the ball. We might see a different Michael Smith then.
I would like to see the wing back approach, especially if they are allowed to get to the by-line and cross the ball. We might see a different Michael Smith then. mancrobin
  • Score: 6

9:21am Thu 31 Jul 14

Swindon1984 says...

mancrobin wrote:
I would like to see the wing back approach, especially if they are allowed to get to the by-line and cross the ball. We might see a different Michael Smith then.
That would be the way - stick in twenty crosses during a game and odds are you'll get a decent opportunity from at least one of them. Goes back to what I was saying yesterday about moving forward and back as a team though - if the ball gets out to Byrne left wing, and he does like running at people, we need players looking to get in the box, and the midfield supporting him to offload if needs be, otherwise it's like running into a blind alley and will be easy to defend against. Work for, run for, support your team mates and I can see the system working. If we're static then all the possession in the world won't yield goals.
[quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: I would like to see the wing back approach, especially if they are allowed to get to the by-line and cross the ball. We might see a different Michael Smith then.[/p][/quote]That would be the way - stick in twenty crosses during a game and odds are you'll get a decent opportunity from at least one of them. Goes back to what I was saying yesterday about moving forward and back as a team though - if the ball gets out to Byrne left wing, and he does like running at people, we need players looking to get in the box, and the midfield supporting him to offload if needs be, otherwise it's like running into a blind alley and will be easy to defend against. Work for, run for, support your team mates and I can see the system working. If we're static then all the possession in the world won't yield goals. Swindon1984
  • Score: 5

9:50am Thu 31 Jul 14

Is that you Lovesey says...

two words for you cooper, Miles Storey
two words for you cooper, Miles Storey Is that you Lovesey
  • Score: -11

10:08am Thu 31 Jul 14

Oi Den! says...

Are Byrne and Thompson capable of getting to the goal line and delivering crosses? Byrne usually has to check back to get the ball onto his right foot and Thompson seems unable to take players on. I'm not at all sure about wing backs as a concept at our level anyway. It's asking defenders to be attackers and/or vice versa. We are lucky to get players who are either good defenders or good attackers. Anyone who is good at doing both isn't going to hang around long in third rate football. 4-4-2 allows wide players to do the jobs they're best suited for, perhaps with the fullbacks overlapping occasionally if they are capable. 3-5-2 might be asking too much of average footballers.
Are Byrne and Thompson capable of getting to the goal line and delivering crosses? Byrne usually has to check back to get the ball onto his right foot and Thompson seems unable to take players on. I'm not at all sure about wing backs as a concept at our level anyway. It's asking defenders to be attackers and/or vice versa. We are lucky to get players who are either good defenders or good attackers. Anyone who is good at doing both isn't going to hang around long in third rate football. 4-4-2 allows wide players to do the jobs they're best suited for, perhaps with the fullbacks overlapping occasionally if they are capable. 3-5-2 might be asking too much of average footballers. Oi Den!
  • Score: 0

10:43am Thu 31 Jul 14

mancrobin says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Are Byrne and Thompson capable of getting to the goal line and delivering crosses? Byrne usually has to check back to get the ball onto his right foot and Thompson seems unable to take players on. I'm not at all sure about wing backs as a concept at our level anyway. It's asking defenders to be attackers and/or vice versa. We are lucky to get players who are either good defenders or good attackers. Anyone who is good at doing both isn't going to hang around long in third rate football. 4-4-2 allows wide players to do the jobs they're best suited for, perhaps with the fullbacks overlapping occasionally if they are capable. 3-5-2 might be asking too much of average footballers.
No I don't think we are asking too much Den. Nathan is developing to play at a higher level. He is a better defender than winger but likes to surge forward. He just doesn't always know what to do when he gets there. You can work on that in training.

Byrne is a better winger than defender and therefore would mainly play a wing back role with 3 centre back. The fact he cuts back to cross is not such a problem. It worked for Pritchard and Jay at times. Or play him on the right?

The main point is that it makes the best use of the talents of our main striker, Michael Smith.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Are Byrne and Thompson capable of getting to the goal line and delivering crosses? Byrne usually has to check back to get the ball onto his right foot and Thompson seems unable to take players on. I'm not at all sure about wing backs as a concept at our level anyway. It's asking defenders to be attackers and/or vice versa. We are lucky to get players who are either good defenders or good attackers. Anyone who is good at doing both isn't going to hang around long in third rate football. 4-4-2 allows wide players to do the jobs they're best suited for, perhaps with the fullbacks overlapping occasionally if they are capable. 3-5-2 might be asking too much of average footballers.[/p][/quote]No I don't think we are asking too much Den. Nathan is developing to play at a higher level. He is a better defender than winger but likes to surge forward. He just doesn't always know what to do when he gets there. You can work on that in training. Byrne is a better winger than defender and therefore would mainly play a wing back role with 3 centre back. The fact he cuts back to cross is not such a problem. It worked for Pritchard and Jay at times. Or play him on the right? The main point is that it makes the best use of the talents of our main striker, Michael Smith. mancrobin
  • Score: -1

10:54am Thu 31 Jul 14

Cleuso says...

Not quite sure about the love in with Miles.. he may score an odd goal or two in this league but on historic form hardly prolific or a 20+ goals a season striker that everyone craves..
Not quite sure about the love in with Miles.. he may score an odd goal or two in this league but on historic form hardly prolific or a 20+ goals a season striker that everyone craves.. Cleuso
  • Score: 3

10:58am Thu 31 Jul 14

Oi Den! says...

manc, I was commenting only on the point you made about getting to the line and delivering crosses. A right footed player is rarely going to be able to do that on the left. Yes, maybe play Byrne on the right but then where do you play Thompson? I am less convinced now about Thompson than I was a year ago. Great servant to the Town. His commitment is unquestionable and exactly what we want from our players. He didn't make any progress last season though. I'd be the first to admit that this may well have been because he was playing in an understrength team that was wary of being adventurous. We'll see what 14/15 brings.
manc, I was commenting only on the point you made about getting to the line and delivering crosses. A right footed player is rarely going to be able to do that on the left. Yes, maybe play Byrne on the right but then where do you play Thompson? I am less convinced now about Thompson than I was a year ago. Great servant to the Town. His commitment is unquestionable and exactly what we want from our players. He didn't make any progress last season though. I'd be the first to admit that this may well have been because he was playing in an understrength team that was wary of being adventurous. We'll see what 14/15 brings. Oi Den!
  • Score: -1

11:31am Thu 31 Jul 14

Swindon1984 says...

Oi Den! wrote:
manc, I was commenting only on the point you made about getting to the line and delivering crosses. A right footed player is rarely going to be able to do that on the left. Yes, maybe play Byrne on the right but then where do you play Thompson? I am less convinced now about Thompson than I was a year ago. Great servant to the Town. His commitment is unquestionable and exactly what we want from our players. He didn't make any progress last season though. I'd be the first to admit that this may well have been because he was playing in an understrength team that was wary of being adventurous. We'll see what 14/15 brings.
Den, was thinking the same about Thompson though daren't say it for fear of getting shot on here! Thought he was a fantastic addition to the side after Caddis left, remember him playing Pompey away under PDC and did fantastically well. However, I'm not convinced by his ability to control the old temper, and he does often dive in when it's not needed. Has a tendency to react when bullied as well - something that was endemic to the side as a whole last season. Seemed we were playing the victim when up against physical teams (didn't McCrory go to the lengths of contacting the FA like a kid running off to tell the teacher??) - what we should be doing is giving as good as we get, but in the right way i.e. strong tackles and harrying their players without losing the head and jumping in.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: manc, I was commenting only on the point you made about getting to the line and delivering crosses. A right footed player is rarely going to be able to do that on the left. Yes, maybe play Byrne on the right but then where do you play Thompson? I am less convinced now about Thompson than I was a year ago. Great servant to the Town. His commitment is unquestionable and exactly what we want from our players. He didn't make any progress last season though. I'd be the first to admit that this may well have been because he was playing in an understrength team that was wary of being adventurous. We'll see what 14/15 brings.[/p][/quote]Den, was thinking the same about Thompson though daren't say it for fear of getting shot on here! Thought he was a fantastic addition to the side after Caddis left, remember him playing Pompey away under PDC and did fantastically well. However, I'm not convinced by his ability to control the old temper, and he does often dive in when it's not needed. Has a tendency to react when bullied as well - something that was endemic to the side as a whole last season. Seemed we were playing the victim when up against physical teams (didn't McCrory go to the lengths of contacting the FA like a kid running off to tell the teacher??) - what we should be doing is giving as good as we get, but in the right way i.e. strong tackles and harrying their players without losing the head and jumping in. Swindon1984
  • Score: 0

12:07pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Stfcgj says...

The bigger concern for me is if and when this formation cooper is insisting on using then doesn't work and we start to experiment with players and formations to find a result!
The bigger concern for me is if and when this formation cooper is insisting on using then doesn't work and we start to experiment with players and formations to find a result! Stfcgj
  • Score: -1

12:52pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Wilesy says...

mancrobin wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Are Byrne and Thompson capable of getting to the goal line and delivering crosses? Byrne usually has to check back to get the ball onto his right foot and Thompson seems unable to take players on. I'm not at all sure about wing backs as a concept at our level anyway. It's asking defenders to be attackers and/or vice versa. We are lucky to get players who are either good defenders or good attackers. Anyone who is good at doing both isn't going to hang around long in third rate football. 4-4-2 allows wide players to do the jobs they're best suited for, perhaps with the fullbacks overlapping occasionally if they are capable. 3-5-2 might be asking too much of average footballers.
No I don't think we are asking too much Den. Nathan is developing to play at a higher level. He is a better defender than winger but likes to surge forward. He just doesn't always know what to do when he gets there. You can work on that in training.

Byrne is a better winger than defender and therefore would mainly play a wing back role with 3 centre back. The fact he cuts back to cross is not such a problem. It worked for Pritchard and Jay at times. Or play him on the right?

The main point is that it makes the best use of the talents of our main striker, Michael Smith.
Thompson's a defensive player best at right back I would play him there. Prone to the odd lapse, so best to have 4 at the back.

Byrne offers something on the left or right wing going forward but not fantastic defensively imo.

So I guess I am advocating 4-4-2, but that then presents an issue with 'senior player' Kasim who doesn't look to have the legs for that formation.

I guess until Power can the personnel in to suit Cooper's formation he will have to continue fitting square pegs in round holes. Just the sort of problems you get with lack of numbers through lack of money. Either way we need a 'new Pritchard'.
[quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Are Byrne and Thompson capable of getting to the goal line and delivering crosses? Byrne usually has to check back to get the ball onto his right foot and Thompson seems unable to take players on. I'm not at all sure about wing backs as a concept at our level anyway. It's asking defenders to be attackers and/or vice versa. We are lucky to get players who are either good defenders or good attackers. Anyone who is good at doing both isn't going to hang around long in third rate football. 4-4-2 allows wide players to do the jobs they're best suited for, perhaps with the fullbacks overlapping occasionally if they are capable. 3-5-2 might be asking too much of average footballers.[/p][/quote]No I don't think we are asking too much Den. Nathan is developing to play at a higher level. He is a better defender than winger but likes to surge forward. He just doesn't always know what to do when he gets there. You can work on that in training. Byrne is a better winger than defender and therefore would mainly play a wing back role with 3 centre back. The fact he cuts back to cross is not such a problem. It worked for Pritchard and Jay at times. Or play him on the right? The main point is that it makes the best use of the talents of our main striker, Michael Smith.[/p][/quote]Thompson's a defensive player best at right back I would play him there. Prone to the odd lapse, so best to have 4 at the back. Byrne offers something on the left or right wing going forward but not fantastic defensively imo. So I guess I am advocating 4-4-2, but that then presents an issue with 'senior player' Kasim who doesn't look to have the legs for that formation. I guess until Power can the personnel in to suit Cooper's formation he will have to continue fitting square pegs in round holes. Just the sort of problems you get with lack of numbers through lack of money. Either way we need a 'new Pritchard'. Wilesy
  • Score: 2

1:22pm Thu 31 Jul 14

PrefabedSprout says...

Should have a look at this lad:

https://www.youtube.
com/watch?v=36bDBnIj
-tM

England Under 18 Schoolboy striker, free agent and wouldn't cost much in wages.

Heard Millwall have been looking at him, so get in there quick!
Should have a look at this lad: https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=36bDBnIj -tM England Under 18 Schoolboy striker, free agent and wouldn't cost much in wages. Heard Millwall have been looking at him, so get in there quick! PrefabedSprout
  • Score: 0

1:24pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Is that you Lovesey says...

The biggest worry for me is the lack of defenders. Kasim isn't a defender and shouldn't play there....
The biggest worry for me is the lack of defenders. Kasim isn't a defender and shouldn't play there.... Is that you Lovesey
  • Score: 0

2:40pm Thu 31 Jul 14

carnegie says...

mancrobin wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Are Byrne and Thompson capable of getting to the goal line and delivering crosses? Byrne usually has to check back to get the ball onto his right foot and Thompson seems unable to take players on. I'm not at all sure about wing backs as a concept at our level anyway. It's asking defenders to be attackers and/or vice versa. We are lucky to get players who are either good defenders or good attackers. Anyone who is good at doing both isn't going to hang around long in third rate football. 4-4-2 allows wide players to do the jobs they're best suited for, perhaps with the fullbacks overlapping occasionally if they are capable. 3-5-2 might be asking too much of average footballers.
No I don't think we are asking too much Den. Nathan is developing to play at a higher level. He is a better defender than winger but likes to surge forward. He just doesn't always know what to do when he gets there. You can work on that in training.

Byrne is a better winger than defender and therefore would mainly play a wing back role with 3 centre back. The fact he cuts back to cross is not such a problem. It worked for Pritchard and Jay at times. Or play him on the right?

The main point is that it makes the best use of the talents of our main striker, Michael Smith.
Thompson is a good, hard-tackling, defender. When overlapping his shortcomings become very obvious. His ability to pick the correct pass and play it with the correct weight and timing is very limited. This weakness will in my opinion will mean he will spend the majority of his career with Swindon or a similar level club. I really hope I'm wrong!!
[quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Are Byrne and Thompson capable of getting to the goal line and delivering crosses? Byrne usually has to check back to get the ball onto his right foot and Thompson seems unable to take players on. I'm not at all sure about wing backs as a concept at our level anyway. It's asking defenders to be attackers and/or vice versa. We are lucky to get players who are either good defenders or good attackers. Anyone who is good at doing both isn't going to hang around long in third rate football. 4-4-2 allows wide players to do the jobs they're best suited for, perhaps with the fullbacks overlapping occasionally if they are capable. 3-5-2 might be asking too much of average footballers.[/p][/quote]No I don't think we are asking too much Den. Nathan is developing to play at a higher level. He is a better defender than winger but likes to surge forward. He just doesn't always know what to do when he gets there. You can work on that in training. Byrne is a better winger than defender and therefore would mainly play a wing back role with 3 centre back. The fact he cuts back to cross is not such a problem. It worked for Pritchard and Jay at times. Or play him on the right? The main point is that it makes the best use of the talents of our main striker, Michael Smith.[/p][/quote]Thompson is a good, hard-tackling, defender. When overlapping his shortcomings become very obvious. His ability to pick the correct pass and play it with the correct weight and timing is very limited. This weakness will in my opinion will mean he will spend the majority of his career with Swindon or a similar level club. I really hope I'm wrong!! carnegie
  • Score: -1

4:10pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Oi Den! says...

Swindon1984 wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
manc, I was commenting only on the point you made about getting to the line and delivering crosses. A right footed player is rarely going to be able to do that on the left. Yes, maybe play Byrne on the right but then where do you play Thompson? I am less convinced now about Thompson than I was a year ago. Great servant to the Town. His commitment is unquestionable and exactly what we want from our players. He didn't make any progress last season though. I'd be the first to admit that this may well have been because he was playing in an understrength team that was wary of being adventurous. We'll see what 14/15 brings.
Den, was thinking the same about Thompson though daren't say it for fear of getting shot on here! Thought he was a fantastic addition to the side after Caddis left, remember him playing Pompey away under PDC and did fantastically well. However, I'm not convinced by his ability to control the old temper, and he does often dive in when it's not needed. Has a tendency to react when bullied as well - something that was endemic to the side as a whole last season. Seemed we were playing the victim when up against physical teams (didn't McCrory go to the lengths of contacting the FA like a kid running off to tell the teacher??) - what we should be doing is giving as good as we get, but in the right way i.e. strong tackles and harrying their players without losing the head and jumping in.
Well '84, no gunfire yet but you have a minus. No idea why, as I think you've got it spot on.
[quote][p][bold]Swindon1984[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: manc, I was commenting only on the point you made about getting to the line and delivering crosses. A right footed player is rarely going to be able to do that on the left. Yes, maybe play Byrne on the right but then where do you play Thompson? I am less convinced now about Thompson than I was a year ago. Great servant to the Town. His commitment is unquestionable and exactly what we want from our players. He didn't make any progress last season though. I'd be the first to admit that this may well have been because he was playing in an understrength team that was wary of being adventurous. We'll see what 14/15 brings.[/p][/quote]Den, was thinking the same about Thompson though daren't say it for fear of getting shot on here! Thought he was a fantastic addition to the side after Caddis left, remember him playing Pompey away under PDC and did fantastically well. However, I'm not convinced by his ability to control the old temper, and he does often dive in when it's not needed. Has a tendency to react when bullied as well - something that was endemic to the side as a whole last season. Seemed we were playing the victim when up against physical teams (didn't McCrory go to the lengths of contacting the FA like a kid running off to tell the teacher??) - what we should be doing is giving as good as we get, but in the right way i.e. strong tackles and harrying their players without losing the head and jumping in.[/p][/quote]Well '84, no gunfire yet but you have a minus. No idea why, as I think you've got it spot on. Oi Den!
  • Score: 0

5:33pm Thu 31 Jul 14

mancrobin says...

Swindon1984 wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
manc, I was commenting only on the point you made about getting to the line and delivering crosses. A right footed player is rarely going to be able to do that on the left. Yes, maybe play Byrne on the right but then where do you play Thompson? I am less convinced now about Thompson than I was a year ago. Great servant to the Town. His commitment is unquestionable and exactly what we want from our players. He didn't make any progress last season though. I'd be the first to admit that this may well have been because he was playing in an understrength team that was wary of being adventurous. We'll see what 14/15 brings.
Den, was thinking the same about Thompson though daren't say it for fear of getting shot on here! Thought he was a fantastic addition to the side after Caddis left, remember him playing Pompey away under PDC and did fantastically well. However, I'm not convinced by his ability to control the old temper, and he does often dive in when it's not needed. Has a tendency to react when bullied as well - something that was endemic to the side as a whole last season. Seemed we were playing the victim when up against physical teams (didn't McCrory go to the lengths of contacting the FA like a kid running off to tell the teacher??) - what we should be doing is giving as good as we get, but in the right way i.e. strong tackles and harrying their players without losing the head and jumping in.
Yes, some fair points and further ones made down the thread but I still do not think that is an indication Nathan Thompson (or indeed Byrne) are incapable of further development. Far from it in my view and good coaching could do a lot. That's a test for Mark and his team.

And yes, we are very much limited by options and are a light squad but I don't think for years now we've played with a core team that has been able to get to know each and develop together on the pitch (yes Den, I know the loan approach doesn't help here!). This year we can and Thompson and Byrne would be very much part of that, along with Kasim.

And why can't players be trained to go to the by-line and cross the ball? I suspect we don't see it on the pitch because it doesn't feature in training. Its clearly not the only approach but an effective one in certain situations.
[quote][p][bold]Swindon1984[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: manc, I was commenting only on the point you made about getting to the line and delivering crosses. A right footed player is rarely going to be able to do that on the left. Yes, maybe play Byrne on the right but then where do you play Thompson? I am less convinced now about Thompson than I was a year ago. Great servant to the Town. His commitment is unquestionable and exactly what we want from our players. He didn't make any progress last season though. I'd be the first to admit that this may well have been because he was playing in an understrength team that was wary of being adventurous. We'll see what 14/15 brings.[/p][/quote]Den, was thinking the same about Thompson though daren't say it for fear of getting shot on here! Thought he was a fantastic addition to the side after Caddis left, remember him playing Pompey away under PDC and did fantastically well. However, I'm not convinced by his ability to control the old temper, and he does often dive in when it's not needed. Has a tendency to react when bullied as well - something that was endemic to the side as a whole last season. Seemed we were playing the victim when up against physical teams (didn't McCrory go to the lengths of contacting the FA like a kid running off to tell the teacher??) - what we should be doing is giving as good as we get, but in the right way i.e. strong tackles and harrying their players without losing the head and jumping in.[/p][/quote]Yes, some fair points and further ones made down the thread but I still do not think that is an indication Nathan Thompson (or indeed Byrne) are incapable of further development. Far from it in my view and good coaching could do a lot. That's a test for Mark and his team. And yes, we are very much limited by options and are a light squad but I don't think for years now we've played with a core team that has been able to get to know each and develop together on the pitch (yes Den, I know the loan approach doesn't help here!). This year we can and Thompson and Byrne would be very much part of that, along with Kasim. And why can't players be trained to go to the by-line and cross the ball? I suspect we don't see it on the pitch because it doesn't feature in training. Its clearly not the only approach but an effective one in certain situations. mancrobin
  • Score: 0

7:27pm Thu 31 Jul 14

dazzastfc says...

HEADLINES
cooper wants more from frontmen....

HEADLINES
MOST FANS WON'T ATTACKING FOOTBALL Instead of this pas pass pass nothing crab football....

Well i can live in hope cant i ???
HEADLINES cooper wants more from frontmen.... HEADLINES MOST FANS WON'T ATTACKING FOOTBALL Instead of this pas pass pass nothing crab football.... Well i can live in hope cant i ??? dazzastfc
  • Score: -1

8:13pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Oi Den! says...

mancrobin wrote:
Swindon1984 wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
manc, I was commenting only on the point you made about getting to the line and delivering crosses. A right footed player is rarely going to be able to do that on the left. Yes, maybe play Byrne on the right but then where do you play Thompson? I am less convinced now about Thompson than I was a year ago. Great servant to the Town. His commitment is unquestionable and exactly what we want from our players. He didn't make any progress last season though. I'd be the first to admit that this may well have been because he was playing in an understrength team that was wary of being adventurous. We'll see what 14/15 brings.
Den, was thinking the same about Thompson though daren't say it for fear of getting shot on here! Thought he was a fantastic addition to the side after Caddis left, remember him playing Pompey away under PDC and did fantastically well. However, I'm not convinced by his ability to control the old temper, and he does often dive in when it's not needed. Has a tendency to react when bullied as well - something that was endemic to the side as a whole last season. Seemed we were playing the victim when up against physical teams (didn't McCrory go to the lengths of contacting the FA like a kid running off to tell the teacher??) - what we should be doing is giving as good as we get, but in the right way i.e. strong tackles and harrying their players without losing the head and jumping in.
Yes, some fair points and further ones made down the thread but I still do not think that is an indication Nathan Thompson (or indeed Byrne) are incapable of further development. Far from it in my view and good coaching could do a lot. That's a test for Mark and his team.

And yes, we are very much limited by options and are a light squad but I don't think for years now we've played with a core team that has been able to get to know each and develop together on the pitch (yes Den, I know the loan approach doesn't help here!). This year we can and Thompson and Byrne would be very much part of that, along with Kasim.

And why can't players be trained to go to the by-line and cross the ball? I suspect we don't see it on the pitch because it doesn't feature in training. Its clearly not the only approach but an effective one in certain situations.
manc, you make it sound very easy to train players to get to the line and cross the ball. Not everyone has the ability to do it, no matter how much they're coached. Getting to the line usually needs pace and often needs trickery - and then there's the small matter of having the skill to deliver a cross. If it was all about coaching, all teams could be pretty much equal.
[quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Swindon1984[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: manc, I was commenting only on the point you made about getting to the line and delivering crosses. A right footed player is rarely going to be able to do that on the left. Yes, maybe play Byrne on the right but then where do you play Thompson? I am less convinced now about Thompson than I was a year ago. Great servant to the Town. His commitment is unquestionable and exactly what we want from our players. He didn't make any progress last season though. I'd be the first to admit that this may well have been because he was playing in an understrength team that was wary of being adventurous. We'll see what 14/15 brings.[/p][/quote]Den, was thinking the same about Thompson though daren't say it for fear of getting shot on here! Thought he was a fantastic addition to the side after Caddis left, remember him playing Pompey away under PDC and did fantastically well. However, I'm not convinced by his ability to control the old temper, and he does often dive in when it's not needed. Has a tendency to react when bullied as well - something that was endemic to the side as a whole last season. Seemed we were playing the victim when up against physical teams (didn't McCrory go to the lengths of contacting the FA like a kid running off to tell the teacher??) - what we should be doing is giving as good as we get, but in the right way i.e. strong tackles and harrying their players without losing the head and jumping in.[/p][/quote]Yes, some fair points and further ones made down the thread but I still do not think that is an indication Nathan Thompson (or indeed Byrne) are incapable of further development. Far from it in my view and good coaching could do a lot. That's a test for Mark and his team. And yes, we are very much limited by options and are a light squad but I don't think for years now we've played with a core team that has been able to get to know each and develop together on the pitch (yes Den, I know the loan approach doesn't help here!). This year we can and Thompson and Byrne would be very much part of that, along with Kasim. And why can't players be trained to go to the by-line and cross the ball? I suspect we don't see it on the pitch because it doesn't feature in training. Its clearly not the only approach but an effective one in certain situations.[/p][/quote]manc, you make it sound very easy to train players to get to the line and cross the ball. Not everyone has the ability to do it, no matter how much they're coached. Getting to the line usually needs pace and often needs trickery - and then there's the small matter of having the skill to deliver a cross. If it was all about coaching, all teams could be pretty much equal. Oi Den!
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8:51pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Di kanny oh says...

Ranger failed at his Leeds trial according to reports I would welcome him back here any day of the week and just what we need.
Ranger failed at his Leeds trial according to reports I would welcome him back here any day of the week and just what we need. Di kanny oh
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9:59pm Thu 31 Jul 14

The Jockster says...

Cooper wants more from frontmen! Don't we all Coops don't we all!
Cooper wants more from frontmen! Don't we all Coops don't we all! The Jockster
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11:16pm Thu 31 Jul 14

dazzastfc says...

The Jockster wrote:
Cooper wants more from frontmen! Don't we all Coops don't we all!
Have you noticed its NEVER coopermans fault...
Whats his fav words..
there young..We have to play football,,we must keep the ball because when we lose it we put are self in trouble

PLEASE PLEASE TELL ME YOU HAVE A OTHER SYSTEMS OF FOOTBALL mrs blooperman
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: Cooper wants more from frontmen! Don't we all Coops don't we all![/p][/quote]Have you noticed its NEVER coopermans fault... Whats his fav words.. there young..We have to play football,,we must keep the ball because when we lose it we put are self in trouble PLEASE PLEASE TELL ME YOU HAVE A OTHER SYSTEMS OF FOOTBALL mrs blooperman dazzastfc
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11:31pm Thu 31 Jul 14

spudandpops says...

Di kanny oh wrote:
Ranger failed at his Leeds trial according to reports I would welcome him back here any day of the week and just what we need.
Ranger was quality on the pitch , But don't want him back ! How can a player be seen on national tv slapping a girl ! and trying to kick a door in be a good role model for our club. ?
[quote][p][bold]Di kanny oh[/bold] wrote: Ranger failed at his Leeds trial according to reports I would welcome him back here any day of the week and just what we need.[/p][/quote]Ranger was quality on the pitch , But don't want him back ! How can a player be seen on national tv slapping a girl ! and trying to kick a door in be a good role model for our club. ? spudandpops
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8:29am Fri 1 Aug 14

mancrobin says...

Oi Den! wrote:
mancrobin wrote:
Swindon1984 wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
manc, I was commenting only on the point you made about getting to the line and delivering crosses. A right footed player is rarely going to be able to do that on the left. Yes, maybe play Byrne on the right but then where do you play Thompson? I am less convinced now about Thompson than I was a year ago. Great servant to the Town. His commitment is unquestionable and exactly what we want from our players. He didn't make any progress last season though. I'd be the first to admit that this may well have been because he was playing in an understrength team that was wary of being adventurous. We'll see what 14/15 brings.
Den, was thinking the same about Thompson though daren't say it for fear of getting shot on here! Thought he was a fantastic addition to the side after Caddis left, remember him playing Pompey away under PDC and did fantastically well. However, I'm not convinced by his ability to control the old temper, and he does often dive in when it's not needed. Has a tendency to react when bullied as well - something that was endemic to the side as a whole last season. Seemed we were playing the victim when up against physical teams (didn't McCrory go to the lengths of contacting the FA like a kid running off to tell the teacher??) - what we should be doing is giving as good as we get, but in the right way i.e. strong tackles and harrying their players without losing the head and jumping in.
Yes, some fair points and further ones made down the thread but I still do not think that is an indication Nathan Thompson (or indeed Byrne) are incapable of further development. Far from it in my view and good coaching could do a lot. That's a test for Mark and his team.

And yes, we are very much limited by options and are a light squad but I don't think for years now we've played with a core team that has been able to get to know each and develop together on the pitch (yes Den, I know the loan approach doesn't help here!). This year we can and Thompson and Byrne would be very much part of that, along with Kasim.

And why can't players be trained to go to the by-line and cross the ball? I suspect we don't see it on the pitch because it doesn't feature in training. Its clearly not the only approach but an effective one in certain situations.
manc, you make it sound very easy to train players to get to the line and cross the ball. Not everyone has the ability to do it, no matter how much they're coached. Getting to the line usually needs pace and often needs trickery - and then there's the small matter of having the skill to deliver a cross. If it was all about coaching, all teams could be pretty much equal.
Not saying its easy but everyone can improve.

Are you saying its unreasonable to expect a footballer to be able to cross a ball?
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Swindon1984[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: manc, I was commenting only on the point you made about getting to the line and delivering crosses. A right footed player is rarely going to be able to do that on the left. Yes, maybe play Byrne on the right but then where do you play Thompson? I am less convinced now about Thompson than I was a year ago. Great servant to the Town. His commitment is unquestionable and exactly what we want from our players. He didn't make any progress last season though. I'd be the first to admit that this may well have been because he was playing in an understrength team that was wary of being adventurous. We'll see what 14/15 brings.[/p][/quote]Den, was thinking the same about Thompson though daren't say it for fear of getting shot on here! Thought he was a fantastic addition to the side after Caddis left, remember him playing Pompey away under PDC and did fantastically well. However, I'm not convinced by his ability to control the old temper, and he does often dive in when it's not needed. Has a tendency to react when bullied as well - something that was endemic to the side as a whole last season. Seemed we were playing the victim when up against physical teams (didn't McCrory go to the lengths of contacting the FA like a kid running off to tell the teacher??) - what we should be doing is giving as good as we get, but in the right way i.e. strong tackles and harrying their players without losing the head and jumping in.[/p][/quote]Yes, some fair points and further ones made down the thread but I still do not think that is an indication Nathan Thompson (or indeed Byrne) are incapable of further development. Far from it in my view and good coaching could do a lot. That's a test for Mark and his team. And yes, we are very much limited by options and are a light squad but I don't think for years now we've played with a core team that has been able to get to know each and develop together on the pitch (yes Den, I know the loan approach doesn't help here!). This year we can and Thompson and Byrne would be very much part of that, along with Kasim. And why can't players be trained to go to the by-line and cross the ball? I suspect we don't see it on the pitch because it doesn't feature in training. Its clearly not the only approach but an effective one in certain situations.[/p][/quote]manc, you make it sound very easy to train players to get to the line and cross the ball. Not everyone has the ability to do it, no matter how much they're coached. Getting to the line usually needs pace and often needs trickery - and then there's the small matter of having the skill to deliver a cross. If it was all about coaching, all teams could be pretty much equal.[/p][/quote]Not saying its easy but everyone can improve. Are you saying its unreasonable to expect a footballer to be able to cross a ball? mancrobin
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10:21am Fri 1 Aug 14

Swindon1984 says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Swindon1984 wrote:
Oi Den! wrote: manc, I was commenting only on the point you made about getting to the line and delivering crosses. A right footed player is rarely going to be able to do that on the left. Yes, maybe play Byrne on the right but then where do you play Thompson? I am less convinced now about Thompson than I was a year ago. Great servant to the Town. His commitment is unquestionable and exactly what we want from our players. He didn't make any progress last season though. I'd be the first to admit that this may well have been because he was playing in an understrength team that was wary of being adventurous. We'll see what 14/15 brings.
Den, was thinking the same about Thompson though daren't say it for fear of getting shot on here! Thought he was a fantastic addition to the side after Caddis left, remember him playing Pompey away under PDC and did fantastically well. However, I'm not convinced by his ability to control the old temper, and he does often dive in when it's not needed. Has a tendency to react when bullied as well - something that was endemic to the side as a whole last season. Seemed we were playing the victim when up against physical teams (didn't McCrory go to the lengths of contacting the FA like a kid running off to tell the teacher??) - what we should be doing is giving as good as we get, but in the right way i.e. strong tackles and harrying their players without losing the head and jumping in.
Well '84, no gunfire yet but you have a minus. No idea why, as I think you've got it spot on.
There's always one :-)
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Swindon1984[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: manc, I was commenting only on the point you made about getting to the line and delivering crosses. A right footed player is rarely going to be able to do that on the left. Yes, maybe play Byrne on the right but then where do you play Thompson? I am less convinced now about Thompson than I was a year ago. Great servant to the Town. His commitment is unquestionable and exactly what we want from our players. He didn't make any progress last season though. I'd be the first to admit that this may well have been because he was playing in an understrength team that was wary of being adventurous. We'll see what 14/15 brings.[/p][/quote]Den, was thinking the same about Thompson though daren't say it for fear of getting shot on here! Thought he was a fantastic addition to the side after Caddis left, remember him playing Pompey away under PDC and did fantastically well. However, I'm not convinced by his ability to control the old temper, and he does often dive in when it's not needed. Has a tendency to react when bullied as well - something that was endemic to the side as a whole last season. Seemed we were playing the victim when up against physical teams (didn't McCrory go to the lengths of contacting the FA like a kid running off to tell the teacher??) - what we should be doing is giving as good as we get, but in the right way i.e. strong tackles and harrying their players without losing the head and jumping in.[/p][/quote]Well '84, no gunfire yet but you have a minus. No idea why, as I think you've got it spot on.[/p][/quote]There's always one :-) Swindon1984
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3:13pm Fri 1 Aug 14

Oi Den! says...

mancrobin wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
mancrobin wrote:
Swindon1984 wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
manc, I was commenting only on the point you made about getting to the line and delivering crosses. A right footed player is rarely going to be able to do that on the left. Yes, maybe play Byrne on the right but then where do you play Thompson? I am less convinced now about Thompson than I was a year ago. Great servant to the Town. His commitment is unquestionable and exactly what we want from our players. He didn't make any progress last season though. I'd be the first to admit that this may well have been because he was playing in an understrength team that was wary of being adventurous. We'll see what 14/15 brings.
Den, was thinking the same about Thompson though daren't say it for fear of getting shot on here! Thought he was a fantastic addition to the side after Caddis left, remember him playing Pompey away under PDC and did fantastically well. However, I'm not convinced by his ability to control the old temper, and he does often dive in when it's not needed. Has a tendency to react when bullied as well - something that was endemic to the side as a whole last season. Seemed we were playing the victim when up against physical teams (didn't McCrory go to the lengths of contacting the FA like a kid running off to tell the teacher??) - what we should be doing is giving as good as we get, but in the right way i.e. strong tackles and harrying their players without losing the head and jumping in.
Yes, some fair points and further ones made down the thread but I still do not think that is an indication Nathan Thompson (or indeed Byrne) are incapable of further development. Far from it in my view and good coaching could do a lot. That's a test for Mark and his team.

And yes, we are very much limited by options and are a light squad but I don't think for years now we've played with a core team that has been able to get to know each and develop together on the pitch (yes Den, I know the loan approach doesn't help here!). This year we can and Thompson and Byrne would be very much part of that, along with Kasim.

And why can't players be trained to go to the by-line and cross the ball? I suspect we don't see it on the pitch because it doesn't feature in training. Its clearly not the only approach but an effective one in certain situations.
manc, you make it sound very easy to train players to get to the line and cross the ball. Not everyone has the ability to do it, no matter how much they're coached. Getting to the line usually needs pace and often needs trickery - and then there's the small matter of having the skill to deliver a cross. If it was all about coaching, all teams could be pretty much equal.
Not saying its easy but everyone can improve.

Are you saying its unreasonable to expect a footballer to be able to cross a ball?
Certainly not - but if they can't do it by the time they get to their twenties there must be a big question mark over whether it can be coached into them. Byrne might be a decent crosser of the ball if he played on the right. Nathan Thompson doesn't seem to have the finesse. That's not a criticism of him. He's a defender - and can be a good one - which takes me back to the point about asking too much of lower division footballers.
[quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Swindon1984[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: manc, I was commenting only on the point you made about getting to the line and delivering crosses. A right footed player is rarely going to be able to do that on the left. Yes, maybe play Byrne on the right but then where do you play Thompson? I am less convinced now about Thompson than I was a year ago. Great servant to the Town. His commitment is unquestionable and exactly what we want from our players. He didn't make any progress last season though. I'd be the first to admit that this may well have been because he was playing in an understrength team that was wary of being adventurous. We'll see what 14/15 brings.[/p][/quote]Den, was thinking the same about Thompson though daren't say it for fear of getting shot on here! Thought he was a fantastic addition to the side after Caddis left, remember him playing Pompey away under PDC and did fantastically well. However, I'm not convinced by his ability to control the old temper, and he does often dive in when it's not needed. Has a tendency to react when bullied as well - something that was endemic to the side as a whole last season. Seemed we were playing the victim when up against physical teams (didn't McCrory go to the lengths of contacting the FA like a kid running off to tell the teacher??) - what we should be doing is giving as good as we get, but in the right way i.e. strong tackles and harrying their players without losing the head and jumping in.[/p][/quote]Yes, some fair points and further ones made down the thread but I still do not think that is an indication Nathan Thompson (or indeed Byrne) are incapable of further development. Far from it in my view and good coaching could do a lot. That's a test for Mark and his team. And yes, we are very much limited by options and are a light squad but I don't think for years now we've played with a core team that has been able to get to know each and develop together on the pitch (yes Den, I know the loan approach doesn't help here!). This year we can and Thompson and Byrne would be very much part of that, along with Kasim. And why can't players be trained to go to the by-line and cross the ball? I suspect we don't see it on the pitch because it doesn't feature in training. Its clearly not the only approach but an effective one in certain situations.[/p][/quote]manc, you make it sound very easy to train players to get to the line and cross the ball. Not everyone has the ability to do it, no matter how much they're coached. Getting to the line usually needs pace and often needs trickery - and then there's the small matter of having the skill to deliver a cross. If it was all about coaching, all teams could be pretty much equal.[/p][/quote]Not saying its easy but everyone can improve. Are you saying its unreasonable to expect a footballer to be able to cross a ball?[/p][/quote]Certainly not - but if they can't do it by the time they get to their twenties there must be a big question mark over whether it can be coached into them. Byrne might be a decent crosser of the ball if he played on the right. Nathan Thompson doesn't seem to have the finesse. That's not a criticism of him. He's a defender - and can be a good one - which takes me back to the point about asking too much of lower division footballers. Oi Den!
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