It’s ‘fruitless’ to appeal Thompson’s straight red

Louis Thompson in dismay at his red card last Saturday

Louis Thompson in dismay at his red card last Saturday

First published in Sport Swindon Advertiser: Photograph of the Author by , Sports reporter

THERE will be no appeal from Swindon Town against Louis Thompson’s harsh red card as they went down against Crawley last Saturday.

Thompson had to go after he was adjudged to have brought down Izale McLeod as the last man in Town’s 1-0 defeat in Sussex. However replays and pictures suggest Thompson’s tackle was a good one and the decision of referee James Linington was incorrect.

After the game Town boss Mark Cooper questioned the vantage point of the referee to make the call and why the linesman’s superior view was not consulted.

Ahead of the trip to Gillingham, where Thompson will serve his one-match ban, Cooper said he had little faith in the appeals process to right the perceived injustice.

“I think it (appealing the decision) can become fruitless,” he mused. “Unless it’s absolutely cast-iron certainty, on a freeze frame 100 million per cent that the referee’s made a mistake they’re not gonna turn back on it.

“The most disappointing part of it is how the referee can make a decision from where he is. He’s not even in our half of the pitch when he makes the decision. So whether it’s a penalty or whether it’s not the linesman’s 15 yards away and the referee is nearly 70. I don’t’ see how he can do it.”

The award of a penalty was cruel on Thompson in many ways. Aside from the obvious and immediate impact of McLeod’s penalty and Thompson’s teammates being left a man short, the Town midfielder was also robbed of a goal-saving tackle. Cooper stressed he will not be trying to eradicate the desire of Thompson to make those challenges, even though in this instance it was costly.

“Louis Thompson gets back from the edge of their box to make a tackle. Now I can’t ask him not to do that because that’s pure desire to make sure his team don’t concede a goal or lose a game and he’s desperate for Swindon Town to do well so I’m not gonna take it away from his that desire because that defeats the object.”

Thompson, fitness permitting, will return for Saturday’s fixture with Crewe at the County Ground

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6:02am Tue 19 Aug 14

california andy says...

Why only one game for a straight red, however unjust? I thought that was a three game suspension.
Why only one game for a straight red, however unjust? I thought that was a three game suspension. california andy
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6:05am Tue 19 Aug 14

oo-r-ya? says...

As I said on another thread, the officials wear head-mics so the Lino could have told the Ref verbally that it was a penalty and not waved his flag as he should have done. He could have just confirmed it for the Ref. He may have been afraid to wave it because he didn't want our players giving him flak. Who knows? All I do know is that the Ref is supposed to be sure before giving a decision. Move on.
As I said on another thread, the officials wear head-mics so the Lino could have told the Ref verbally that it was a penalty and not waved his flag as he should have done. He could have just confirmed it for the Ref. He may have been afraid to wave it because he didn't want our players giving him flak. Who knows? All I do know is that the Ref is supposed to be sure before giving a decision. Move on. oo-r-ya?
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7:55am Tue 19 Aug 14

t22lgm says...

There is a great photograph doing the rounds on Twitter and Facebook at the moment of the actual moment when Louis makes his tackle. The shot is taken side on and very clearly shows that Louis gets to the ball first.
I have no idea why the Town aren't appealing and using this evidence. It's cast iron!
There is a great photograph doing the rounds on Twitter and Facebook at the moment of the actual moment when Louis makes his tackle. The shot is taken side on and very clearly shows that Louis gets to the ball first. I have no idea why the Town aren't appealing and using this evidence. It's cast iron! t22lgm
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7:57am Tue 19 Aug 14

eareds says...

to be honest the ref looked pretty dire in the warm up, and by enlarge it was an easy game to ref, but as always it comes down to one decision, the main worry is we never looked threatening in front of goal, Crawley defended deep and in numbers and route one from there, which exposes our inexperienced defense, we need to strengthen the spine of the team before the window closes.
to be honest the ref looked pretty dire in the warm up, and by enlarge it was an easy game to ref, but as always it comes down to one decision, the main worry is we never looked threatening in front of goal, Crawley defended deep and in numbers and route one from there, which exposes our inexperienced defense, we need to strengthen the spine of the team before the window closes. eareds
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8:10am Tue 19 Aug 14

Oi Den! says...

t22lgm wrote:
There is a great photograph doing the rounds on Twitter and Facebook at the moment of the actual moment when Louis makes his tackle. The shot is taken side on and very clearly shows that Louis gets to the ball first.
I have no idea why the Town aren't appealing and using this evidence. It's cast iron!
It may be cast iron proof that he played the ball first - I think most of us believed that anyway - but that doesn't necessarily mean the ref made a mistake.
[quote][p][bold]t22lgm[/bold] wrote: There is a great photograph doing the rounds on Twitter and Facebook at the moment of the actual moment when Louis makes his tackle. The shot is taken side on and very clearly shows that Louis gets to the ball first. I have no idea why the Town aren't appealing and using this evidence. It's cast iron![/p][/quote]It may be cast iron proof that he played the ball first - I think most of us believed that anyway - but that doesn't necessarily mean the ref made a mistake. Oi Den!
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8:27am Tue 19 Aug 14

Rebel_phish says...

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9:25am Tue 19 Aug 14

Cleuso says...

Oi Den! wrote:
t22lgm wrote:
There is a great photograph doing the rounds on Twitter and Facebook at the moment of the actual moment when Louis makes his tackle. The shot is taken side on and very clearly shows that Louis gets to the ball first.
I have no idea why the Town aren't appealing and using this evidence. It's cast iron!
It may be cast iron proof that he played the ball first - I think most of us believed that anyway - but that doesn't necessarily mean the ref made a mistake.
Can you explain more ... if it was a fair tackle how did it mean the ref didn't make a mistake by awarding a foul ? ... surely that would make it a mistake" or incorrect interpretation of the laws of the game
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]t22lgm[/bold] wrote: There is a great photograph doing the rounds on Twitter and Facebook at the moment of the actual moment when Louis makes his tackle. The shot is taken side on and very clearly shows that Louis gets to the ball first. I have no idea why the Town aren't appealing and using this evidence. It's cast iron![/p][/quote]It may be cast iron proof that he played the ball first - I think most of us believed that anyway - but that doesn't necessarily mean the ref made a mistake.[/p][/quote]Can you explain more ... if it was a fair tackle how did it mean the ref didn't make a mistake by awarding a foul ? ... surely that would make it a mistake" or incorrect interpretation of the laws of the game Cleuso
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9:41am Tue 19 Aug 14

RedArmy74 says...

california andy wrote:
Why only one game for a straight red, however unjust? I thought that was a three game suspension.
Depends on the offence.

A straight red card for denying an obvious goal scoring opportunity is only a one game ban.
[quote][p][bold]california andy[/bold] wrote: Why only one game for a straight red, however unjust? I thought that was a three game suspension.[/p][/quote]Depends on the offence. A straight red card for denying an obvious goal scoring opportunity is only a one game ban. RedArmy74
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10:28am Tue 19 Aug 14

dazzastfc says...

Cleuso wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
t22lgm wrote:
There is a great photograph doing the rounds on Twitter and Facebook at the moment of the actual moment when Louis makes his tackle. The shot is taken side on and very clearly shows that Louis gets to the ball first.
I have no idea why the Town aren't appealing and using this evidence. It's cast iron!
It may be cast iron proof that he played the ball first - I think most of us believed that anyway - but that doesn't necessarily mean the ref made a mistake.
Can you explain more ... if it was a fair tackle how did it mean the ref didn't make a mistake by awarding a foul ? ... surely that would make it a mistake" or incorrect interpretation of the laws of the game
When you take the ball and the player at the same time it is a pen as officials call it intent..How many games on TV is there penalty when most people think not..
I have seen the tackle and on first glance it looks a stonewall pen..

IF it happened to use and we got the penalty ARE fans would be saying it was a pen and the ref was correct to send him off
[quote][p][bold]Cleuso[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]t22lgm[/bold] wrote: There is a great photograph doing the rounds on Twitter and Facebook at the moment of the actual moment when Louis makes his tackle. The shot is taken side on and very clearly shows that Louis gets to the ball first. I have no idea why the Town aren't appealing and using this evidence. It's cast iron![/p][/quote]It may be cast iron proof that he played the ball first - I think most of us believed that anyway - but that doesn't necessarily mean the ref made a mistake.[/p][/quote]Can you explain more ... if it was a fair tackle how did it mean the ref didn't make a mistake by awarding a foul ? ... surely that would make it a mistake" or incorrect interpretation of the laws of the game[/p][/quote]When you take the ball and the player at the same time it is a pen as officials call it intent..How many games on TV is there penalty when most people think not.. I have seen the tackle and on first glance it looks a stonewall pen.. IF it happened to use and we got the penalty ARE fans would be saying it was a pen and the ref was correct to send him off dazzastfc
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11:54am Tue 19 Aug 14

Oi Den! says...

Cleuso wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
t22lgm wrote:
There is a great photograph doing the rounds on Twitter and Facebook at the moment of the actual moment when Louis makes his tackle. The shot is taken side on and very clearly shows that Louis gets to the ball first.
I have no idea why the Town aren't appealing and using this evidence. It's cast iron!
It may be cast iron proof that he played the ball first - I think most of us believed that anyway - but that doesn't necessarily mean the ref made a mistake.
Can you explain more ... if it was a fair tackle how did it mean the ref didn't make a mistake by awarding a foul ? ... surely that would make it a mistake" or incorrect interpretation of the laws of the game
Because nowhere in the laws of the game does it say that taking the ball first means it must be a fair tackle - despite what the pundits would have us believe.
[quote][p][bold]Cleuso[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]t22lgm[/bold] wrote: There is a great photograph doing the rounds on Twitter and Facebook at the moment of the actual moment when Louis makes his tackle. The shot is taken side on and very clearly shows that Louis gets to the ball first. I have no idea why the Town aren't appealing and using this evidence. It's cast iron![/p][/quote]It may be cast iron proof that he played the ball first - I think most of us believed that anyway - but that doesn't necessarily mean the ref made a mistake.[/p][/quote]Can you explain more ... if it was a fair tackle how did it mean the ref didn't make a mistake by awarding a foul ? ... surely that would make it a mistake" or incorrect interpretation of the laws of the game[/p][/quote]Because nowhere in the laws of the game does it say that taking the ball first means it must be a fair tackle - despite what the pundits would have us believe. Oi Den!
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12:41pm Tue 19 Aug 14

Cleuso says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Cleuso wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
t22lgm wrote:
There is a great photograph doing the rounds on Twitter and Facebook at the moment of the actual moment when Louis makes his tackle. The shot is taken side on and very clearly shows that Louis gets to the ball first.
I have no idea why the Town aren't appealing and using this evidence. It's cast iron!
It may be cast iron proof that he played the ball first - I think most of us believed that anyway - but that doesn't necessarily mean the ref made a mistake.
Can you explain more ... if it was a fair tackle how did it mean the ref didn't make a mistake by awarding a foul ? ... surely that would make it a mistake" or incorrect interpretation of the laws of the game
Because nowhere in the laws of the game does it say that taking the ball first means it must be a fair tackle - despite what the pundits would have us believe.
So by that token what you are saying is that any tackle that wins the ball but contact is then made with the player is unfair after all you are kicking an opponent ... ummm... reckon that's the end of football as we know it... it'll soon be "tag" football on that basis where you have to press a button on a shirt to win possession of the ball ..mind you if you press that button too hard you can be sent from the field of play for violent conduct and get a three game ban ... ROFL.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cleuso[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]t22lgm[/bold] wrote: There is a great photograph doing the rounds on Twitter and Facebook at the moment of the actual moment when Louis makes his tackle. The shot is taken side on and very clearly shows that Louis gets to the ball first. I have no idea why the Town aren't appealing and using this evidence. It's cast iron![/p][/quote]It may be cast iron proof that he played the ball first - I think most of us believed that anyway - but that doesn't necessarily mean the ref made a mistake.[/p][/quote]Can you explain more ... if it was a fair tackle how did it mean the ref didn't make a mistake by awarding a foul ? ... surely that would make it a mistake" or incorrect interpretation of the laws of the game[/p][/quote]Because nowhere in the laws of the game does it say that taking the ball first means it must be a fair tackle - despite what the pundits would have us believe.[/p][/quote]So by that token what you are saying is that any tackle that wins the ball but contact is then made with the player is unfair after all you are kicking an opponent ... ummm... reckon that's the end of football as we know it... it'll soon be "tag" football on that basis where you have to press a button on a shirt to win possession of the ball ..mind you if you press that button too hard you can be sent from the field of play for violent conduct and get a three game ban ... ROFL. Cleuso
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2:09pm Tue 19 Aug 14

Oi Den! says...

Cleuso wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Cleuso wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
t22lgm wrote:
There is a great photograph doing the rounds on Twitter and Facebook at the moment of the actual moment when Louis makes his tackle. The shot is taken side on and very clearly shows that Louis gets to the ball first.
I have no idea why the Town aren't appealing and using this evidence. It's cast iron!
It may be cast iron proof that he played the ball first - I think most of us believed that anyway - but that doesn't necessarily mean the ref made a mistake.
Can you explain more ... if it was a fair tackle how did it mean the ref didn't make a mistake by awarding a foul ? ... surely that would make it a mistake" or incorrect interpretation of the laws of the game
Because nowhere in the laws of the game does it say that taking the ball first means it must be a fair tackle - despite what the pundits would have us believe.
So by that token what you are saying is that any tackle that wins the ball but contact is then made with the player is unfair after all you are kicking an opponent ... ummm... reckon that's the end of football as we know it... it'll soon be "tag" football on that basis where you have to press a button on a shirt to win possession of the ball ..mind you if you press that button too hard you can be sent from the field of play for violent conduct and get a three game ban ... ROFL.
Nope. I'm not saying that all. From what I've seen of the incident, I'd describe it as a good skilfully executed tackle but IF referees have been told to take a strict view of tackles from behind, then you can't blame Saturday's ref for his actions. They either toe the line or they risk being dropped or effectively demoted. These things are not as clear cut as you like to portray.

The point is that a tackle can still be dangerous even if the ball is won cleanly. A wild lunge could win the ball cleanly one day and break a player's leg the next. It may seem unjust to penalise a risky tackle that wins the ball but it's a price worth paying if it discourages hotheads from launching into reckless challenges that result in serious injury.
[quote][p][bold]Cleuso[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cleuso[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]t22lgm[/bold] wrote: There is a great photograph doing the rounds on Twitter and Facebook at the moment of the actual moment when Louis makes his tackle. The shot is taken side on and very clearly shows that Louis gets to the ball first. I have no idea why the Town aren't appealing and using this evidence. It's cast iron![/p][/quote]It may be cast iron proof that he played the ball first - I think most of us believed that anyway - but that doesn't necessarily mean the ref made a mistake.[/p][/quote]Can you explain more ... if it was a fair tackle how did it mean the ref didn't make a mistake by awarding a foul ? ... surely that would make it a mistake" or incorrect interpretation of the laws of the game[/p][/quote]Because nowhere in the laws of the game does it say that taking the ball first means it must be a fair tackle - despite what the pundits would have us believe.[/p][/quote]So by that token what you are saying is that any tackle that wins the ball but contact is then made with the player is unfair after all you are kicking an opponent ... ummm... reckon that's the end of football as we know it... it'll soon be "tag" football on that basis where you have to press a button on a shirt to win possession of the ball ..mind you if you press that button too hard you can be sent from the field of play for violent conduct and get a three game ban ... ROFL.[/p][/quote]Nope. I'm not saying that all. From what I've seen of the incident, I'd describe it as a good skilfully executed tackle but IF referees have been told to take a strict view of tackles from behind, then you can't blame Saturday's ref for his actions. They either toe the line or they risk being dropped or effectively demoted. These things are not as clear cut as you like to portray. The point is that a tackle can still be dangerous even if the ball is won cleanly. A wild lunge could win the ball cleanly one day and break a player's leg the next. It may seem unjust to penalise a risky tackle that wins the ball but it's a price worth paying if it discourages hotheads from launching into reckless challenges that result in serious injury. Oi Den!
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2:11pm Tue 19 Aug 14

Oi Den! says...

Cleuso wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Cleuso wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
t22lgm wrote:
There is a great photograph doing the rounds on Twitter and Facebook at the moment of the actual moment when Louis makes his tackle. The shot is taken side on and very clearly shows that Louis gets to the ball first.
I have no idea why the Town aren't appealing and using this evidence. It's cast iron!
It may be cast iron proof that he played the ball first - I think most of us believed that anyway - but that doesn't necessarily mean the ref made a mistake.
Can you explain more ... if it was a fair tackle how did it mean the ref didn't make a mistake by awarding a foul ? ... surely that would make it a mistake" or incorrect interpretation of the laws of the game
Because nowhere in the laws of the game does it say that taking the ball first means it must be a fair tackle - despite what the pundits would have us believe.
So by that token what you are saying is that any tackle that wins the ball but contact is then made with the player is unfair after all you are kicking an opponent ... ummm... reckon that's the end of football as we know it... it'll soon be "tag" football on that basis where you have to press a button on a shirt to win possession of the ball ..mind you if you press that button too hard you can be sent from the field of play for violent conduct and get a three game ban ... ROFL.
Nope. I'm not saying that all. From what I've seen of the incident, I'd describe it as a good skilfully executed tackle but IF referees have been told to take a strict view of tackles from behind, then you can't blame Saturday's ref for his actions. They either toe the line or they risk being dropped or effectively demoted. These things are not as clear cut as you like to portray.

The point is that a tackle can still be dangerous even if the ball is won cleanly. A wild lunge could win the ball cleanly one day and break a player's leg the next. It may seem unjust to penalise a risky tackle that wins the ball but it's a price worth paying if it discourages hotheads from launching into reckless challenges that result in serious injury.
[quote][p][bold]Cleuso[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cleuso[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]t22lgm[/bold] wrote: There is a great photograph doing the rounds on Twitter and Facebook at the moment of the actual moment when Louis makes his tackle. The shot is taken side on and very clearly shows that Louis gets to the ball first. I have no idea why the Town aren't appealing and using this evidence. It's cast iron![/p][/quote]It may be cast iron proof that he played the ball first - I think most of us believed that anyway - but that doesn't necessarily mean the ref made a mistake.[/p][/quote]Can you explain more ... if it was a fair tackle how did it mean the ref didn't make a mistake by awarding a foul ? ... surely that would make it a mistake" or incorrect interpretation of the laws of the game[/p][/quote]Because nowhere in the laws of the game does it say that taking the ball first means it must be a fair tackle - despite what the pundits would have us believe.[/p][/quote]So by that token what you are saying is that any tackle that wins the ball but contact is then made with the player is unfair after all you are kicking an opponent ... ummm... reckon that's the end of football as we know it... it'll soon be "tag" football on that basis where you have to press a button on a shirt to win possession of the ball ..mind you if you press that button too hard you can be sent from the field of play for violent conduct and get a three game ban ... ROFL.[/p][/quote]Nope. I'm not saying that all. From what I've seen of the incident, I'd describe it as a good skilfully executed tackle but IF referees have been told to take a strict view of tackles from behind, then you can't blame Saturday's ref for his actions. They either toe the line or they risk being dropped or effectively demoted. These things are not as clear cut as you like to portray. The point is that a tackle can still be dangerous even if the ball is won cleanly. A wild lunge could win the ball cleanly one day and break a player's leg the next. It may seem unjust to penalise a risky tackle that wins the ball but it's a price worth paying if it discourages hotheads from launching into reckless challenges that result in serious injury. Oi Den!
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2:11pm Tue 19 Aug 14

Oi Den! says...

Oops! Didn't think the post registered first time.
Oops! Didn't think the post registered first time. Oi Den!
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3:16pm Tue 19 Aug 14

dazzastfc says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Cleuso wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Cleuso wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
t22lgm wrote:
There is a great photograph doing the rounds on Twitter and Facebook at the moment of the actual moment when Louis makes his tackle. The shot is taken side on and very clearly shows that Louis gets to the ball first.
I have no idea why the Town aren't appealing and using this evidence. It's cast iron!
It may be cast iron proof that he played the ball first - I think most of us believed that anyway - but that doesn't necessarily mean the ref made a mistake.
Can you explain more ... if it was a fair tackle how did it mean the ref didn't make a mistake by awarding a foul ? ... surely that would make it a mistake" or incorrect interpretation of the laws of the game
Because nowhere in the laws of the game does it say that taking the ball first means it must be a fair tackle - despite what the pundits would have us believe.
So by that token what you are saying is that any tackle that wins the ball but contact is then made with the player is unfair after all you are kicking an opponent ... ummm... reckon that's the end of football as we know it... it'll soon be "tag" football on that basis where you have to press a button on a shirt to win possession of the ball ..mind you if you press that button too hard you can be sent from the field of play for violent conduct and get a three game ban ... ROFL.
Nope. I'm not saying that all. From what I've seen of the incident, I'd describe it as a good skilfully executed tackle but IF referees have been told to take a strict view of tackles from behind, then you can't blame Saturday's ref for his actions. They either toe the line or they risk being dropped or effectively demoted. These things are not as clear cut as you like to portray.

The point is that a tackle can still be dangerous even if the ball is won cleanly. A wild lunge could win the ball cleanly one day and break a player's leg the next. It may seem unjust to penalise a risky tackle that wins the ball but it's a price worth paying if it discourages hotheads from launching into reckless challenges that result in serious injury.
It makes me wonder WITH SOME POSTERS ON HERE do they actually watch football or just moan when something goes against STFC..
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cleuso[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cleuso[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]t22lgm[/bold] wrote: There is a great photograph doing the rounds on Twitter and Facebook at the moment of the actual moment when Louis makes his tackle. The shot is taken side on and very clearly shows that Louis gets to the ball first. I have no idea why the Town aren't appealing and using this evidence. It's cast iron![/p][/quote]It may be cast iron proof that he played the ball first - I think most of us believed that anyway - but that doesn't necessarily mean the ref made a mistake.[/p][/quote]Can you explain more ... if it was a fair tackle how did it mean the ref didn't make a mistake by awarding a foul ? ... surely that would make it a mistake" or incorrect interpretation of the laws of the game[/p][/quote]Because nowhere in the laws of the game does it say that taking the ball first means it must be a fair tackle - despite what the pundits would have us believe.[/p][/quote]So by that token what you are saying is that any tackle that wins the ball but contact is then made with the player is unfair after all you are kicking an opponent ... ummm... reckon that's the end of football as we know it... it'll soon be "tag" football on that basis where you have to press a button on a shirt to win possession of the ball ..mind you if you press that button too hard you can be sent from the field of play for violent conduct and get a three game ban ... ROFL.[/p][/quote]Nope. I'm not saying that all. From what I've seen of the incident, I'd describe it as a good skilfully executed tackle but IF referees have been told to take a strict view of tackles from behind, then you can't blame Saturday's ref for his actions. They either toe the line or they risk being dropped or effectively demoted. These things are not as clear cut as you like to portray. The point is that a tackle can still be dangerous even if the ball is won cleanly. A wild lunge could win the ball cleanly one day and break a player's leg the next. It may seem unjust to penalise a risky tackle that wins the ball but it's a price worth paying if it discourages hotheads from launching into reckless challenges that result in serious injury.[/p][/quote]It makes me wonder WITH SOME POSTERS ON HERE do they actually watch football or just moan when something goes against STFC.. dazzastfc
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5:37pm Tue 19 Aug 14

t22lgm says...

dazzastfc wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Cleuso wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Cleuso wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
t22lgm wrote:
There is a great photograph doing the rounds on Twitter and Facebook at the moment of the actual moment when Louis makes his tackle. The shot is taken side on and very clearly shows that Louis gets to the ball first.
I have no idea why the Town aren't appealing and using this evidence. It's cast iron!
It may be cast iron proof that he played the ball first - I think most of us believed that anyway - but that doesn't necessarily mean the ref made a mistake.
Can you explain more ... if it was a fair tackle how did it mean the ref didn't make a mistake by awarding a foul ? ... surely that would make it a mistake" or incorrect interpretation of the laws of the game
Because nowhere in the laws of the game does it say that taking the ball first means it must be a fair tackle - despite what the pundits would have us believe.
So by that token what you are saying is that any tackle that wins the ball but contact is then made with the player is unfair after all you are kicking an opponent ... ummm... reckon that's the end of football as we know it... it'll soon be "tag" football on that basis where you have to press a button on a shirt to win possession of the ball ..mind you if you press that button too hard you can be sent from the field of play for violent conduct and get a three game ban ... ROFL.
Nope. I'm not saying that all. From what I've seen of the incident, I'd describe it as a good skilfully executed tackle but IF referees have been told to take a strict view of tackles from behind, then you can't blame Saturday's ref for his actions. They either toe the line or they risk being dropped or effectively demoted. These things are not as clear cut as you like to portray.

The point is that a tackle can still be dangerous even if the ball is won cleanly. A wild lunge could win the ball cleanly one day and break a player's leg the next. It may seem unjust to penalise a risky tackle that wins the ball but it's a price worth paying if it discourages hotheads from launching into reckless challenges that result in serious injury.
It makes me wonder WITH SOME POSTERS ON HERE do they actually watch football or just moan when something goes against STFC..
Wow, it's good to see my comment has sparked a bit of debate.
I understand what you're saying Den, but if you haven't seen the pic (it would be good if The Adver posted it on here), then I urge you to.
Louis challenge wasn't a lunge or a tackle from behind. It was, as in your own words, "a good skilfully executed tackle". Louis and STFC shouldn't be penalised for something like that. It's bad enough that we lost the game to a penalty that shouldn't have been, but a red card on top just smacks!
How a ref who is 40 yards behind the play, can make a decision like that is beyond me. He has to be 100% certain in his mind that a foul has been committed and there is no way he can be. He's too far removed from the play.
[quote][p][bold]dazzastfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cleuso[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cleuso[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]t22lgm[/bold] wrote: There is a great photograph doing the rounds on Twitter and Facebook at the moment of the actual moment when Louis makes his tackle. The shot is taken side on and very clearly shows that Louis gets to the ball first. I have no idea why the Town aren't appealing and using this evidence. It's cast iron![/p][/quote]It may be cast iron proof that he played the ball first - I think most of us believed that anyway - but that doesn't necessarily mean the ref made a mistake.[/p][/quote]Can you explain more ... if it was a fair tackle how did it mean the ref didn't make a mistake by awarding a foul ? ... surely that would make it a mistake" or incorrect interpretation of the laws of the game[/p][/quote]Because nowhere in the laws of the game does it say that taking the ball first means it must be a fair tackle - despite what the pundits would have us believe.[/p][/quote]So by that token what you are saying is that any tackle that wins the ball but contact is then made with the player is unfair after all you are kicking an opponent ... ummm... reckon that's the end of football as we know it... it'll soon be "tag" football on that basis where you have to press a button on a shirt to win possession of the ball ..mind you if you press that button too hard you can be sent from the field of play for violent conduct and get a three game ban ... ROFL.[/p][/quote]Nope. I'm not saying that all. From what I've seen of the incident, I'd describe it as a good skilfully executed tackle but IF referees have been told to take a strict view of tackles from behind, then you can't blame Saturday's ref for his actions. They either toe the line or they risk being dropped or effectively demoted. These things are not as clear cut as you like to portray. The point is that a tackle can still be dangerous even if the ball is won cleanly. A wild lunge could win the ball cleanly one day and break a player's leg the next. It may seem unjust to penalise a risky tackle that wins the ball but it's a price worth paying if it discourages hotheads from launching into reckless challenges that result in serious injury.[/p][/quote]It makes me wonder WITH SOME POSTERS ON HERE do they actually watch football or just moan when something goes against STFC..[/p][/quote]Wow, it's good to see my comment has sparked a bit of debate. I understand what you're saying Den, but if you haven't seen the pic (it would be good if The Adver posted it on here), then I urge you to. Louis challenge wasn't a lunge or a tackle from behind. It was, as in your own words, "a good skilfully executed tackle". Louis and STFC shouldn't be penalised for something like that. It's bad enough that we lost the game to a penalty that shouldn't have been, but a red card on top just smacks! How a ref who is 40 yards behind the play, can make a decision like that is beyond me. He has to be 100% certain in his mind that a foul has been committed and there is no way he can be. He's too far removed from the play. t22lgm
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