Jack's back and Thompson joins Norwich

Louis Thompson

Jack Stephens

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SWINDON Town had a busy end to the transfer window this evening.

The County Ground side announced the re-signing of defender Jack Stephens on loan until the end January minutes before the window slammed shut.

Then at 11.20pm it was confirmed that Louis Thompson was on his way out of SN1 to Championship side Norwich City.

The 19-year-old midfielder, who penned a three-year deal at Carrow Road in move which could potentially net Town a seven-figure fee, will return to his hometown club for the remainder of the campaign on loan.

The youngster said: “I'm extremely proud. To come to a club of Norwich City's stature is a fantastic achievement for me.

“I'm really looking forward to the challenge of coming here after my loan finishes at Swindon.

"It's a massive club with a huge fan base, there's not a single negative thing to say about them. Hopefully they can do well this year and challenge for a Premier League place."

Canaries boss Neil Adams added: "We've got quite a lot of cover in midfield but Louis is a player we've identified with plenty of potential, so it's best suited for him to stay with his current club for now and we'll continue to monitor his progress."

Thompson was handed his professional debut by Swindon as a 17-year-old back in 2012, and he established himself in Mark Cooper's team last year, featuring 35 times in all competitions, scoring twice.

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11:52pm Mon 1 Sep 14

Lazaat says...

Good luck at Norwich Louis, before you go help get us promoted this season please?
Good luck at Norwich Louis, before you go help get us promoted this season please? Lazaat
  • Score: 11

12:42am Tue 2 Sep 14

mancrobin says...

Well done Louis and well deserved for some excellent performances. In my view you are a class act and would have liked you to have stayed to lead us back to the Premiership along with your brother.

However, we live in the real world and this represents a good deal all round.

Still, football's a wonderfully wierd thing and whilst I don't expect it for one minute, it is not beyond the bounds of possibility that Louis helps the Town to promotion in order to join his new team relegated to League 1.
Well done Louis and well deserved for some excellent performances. In my view you are a class act and would have liked you to have stayed to lead us back to the Premiership along with your brother. However, we live in the real world and this represents a good deal all round. Still, football's a wonderfully wierd thing and whilst I don't expect it for one minute, it is not beyond the bounds of possibility that Louis helps the Town to promotion in order to join his new team relegated to League 1. mancrobin
  • Score: 5

12:43am Tue 2 Sep 14

smirg kcab says...

Lazaat wrote:
Good luck at Norwich Louis, before you go help get us promoted this season please?
Good day and I mean good day
[quote][p][bold]Lazaat[/bold] wrote: Good luck at Norwich Louis, before you go help get us promoted this season please?[/p][/quote]Good day and I mean good day smirg kcab
  • Score: -13

12:45am Tue 2 Sep 14

smirg kcab says...

Great news if we've kept smith
The futures cooper
Coymr
Great news if we've kept smith The futures cooper Coymr smirg kcab
  • Score: -27

1:49am Tue 2 Sep 14

joey butler says...

So we buy this totally unproven Spurs lad for around £200k, but missed out on Nicky Ajose who scored goals for Swindon and went to Leeds for around £150k?

Can we please start a fund to buy Mr Power some new marbles, as he has totally lost his?
So we buy this totally unproven Spurs lad for around £200k, but missed out on Nicky Ajose who scored goals for Swindon and went to Leeds for around £150k? Can we please start a fund to buy Mr Power some new marbles, as he has totally lost his? joey butler
  • Score: -59

3:00am Tue 2 Sep 14

smirg kcab says...

I'm still up anything happening?
I'm still up anything happening? smirg kcab
  • Score: -7

4:09am Tue 2 Sep 14

Watchfield 1 says...

I think the comment regarding mr power is unfair considering the players that have been brought in their certainly no worse than what were here before ie mr di canio era
I think the comment regarding mr power is unfair considering the players that have been brought in their certainly no worse than what were here before ie mr di canio era Watchfield 1
  • Score: 9

5:22am Tue 2 Sep 14

swindonmatt says...

well done power and Cooper great bit of business. now lets get at least playoffs. coyr
well done power and Cooper great bit of business. now lets get at least playoffs. coyr swindonmatt
  • Score: 7

6:38am Tue 2 Sep 14

oz ashes says...

joey butler wrote:
So we buy this totally unproven Spurs lad for around £200k, but missed out on Nicky Ajose who scored goals for Swindon and went to Leeds for around £150k?

Can we please start a fund to buy Mr Power some new marbles, as he has totally lost his?
so if ajose had a choice of playing in championship maybe on 6k a week or coming to town in L1 on maybe 2k a week no brainer where he would go
reckon its you who needs new marbles not lee power
[quote][p][bold]joey butler[/bold] wrote: So we buy this totally unproven Spurs lad for around £200k, but missed out on Nicky Ajose who scored goals for Swindon and went to Leeds for around £150k? Can we please start a fund to buy Mr Power some new marbles, as he has totally lost his?[/p][/quote]so if ajose had a choice of playing in championship maybe on 6k a week or coming to town in L1 on maybe 2k a week no brainer where he would go reckon its you who needs new marbles not lee power oz ashes
  • Score: 54

6:43am Tue 2 Sep 14

port de soller says...

Yes best wishes to him,plush STFC got cash in hand plus the player until end of season and maybe sell on clause good piece of business.
As for J Oboki yes as MC say¨s he has mature is a big lad and I do think this time round he will do well(we all hope so)
As for N ajose a poster said oh he went for 150K,is clear LP decided on who he wanted ,plus we got JS back until Jan seems like good days work at the CG Good luck to them all
Yes best wishes to him,plush STFC got cash in hand plus the player until end of season and maybe sell on clause good piece of business. As for J Oboki yes as MC say¨s he has mature is a big lad and I do think this time round he will do well(we all hope so) As for N ajose a poster said oh he went for 150K,is clear LP decided on who he wanted ,plus we got JS back until Jan seems like good days work at the CG Good luck to them all port de soller
  • Score: 6

6:46am Tue 2 Sep 14

stokes_stfc says...

Disappointing to see Louis leaving, but it sounds like good business and I'm glad he'll be back to help us this year... All the best to him. (One concern is that Nathan may be more willing to move on now - I was under the impression that he greatly valued playing along side his brother). And great news regarding Jack (hopefully we'll be able to extend to the end of the season).

I think this is a transfer deadline day where we actually ended up with a stronger squad!
Disappointing to see Louis leaving, but it sounds like good business and I'm glad he'll be back to help us this year... All the best to him. (One concern is that Nathan may be more willing to move on now - I was under the impression that he greatly valued playing along side his brother). And great news regarding Jack (hopefully we'll be able to extend to the end of the season). I think this is a transfer deadline day where we actually ended up with a stronger squad! stokes_stfc
  • Score: 7

6:53am Tue 2 Sep 14

oo-r-ya? says...

Happy with the business we've done, especially when you consider the rumours regarding Wes, Smithy and Massimo. Plus with Stephens coming we can send the Derby lad back - again.
Happy with the business we've done, especially when you consider the rumours regarding Wes, Smithy and Massimo. Plus with Stephens coming we can send the Derby lad back - again. oo-r-ya?
  • Score: 3

6:54am Tue 2 Sep 14

Rednwhitewalrus699 says...

joey butler wrote:
So we buy this totally unproven Spurs lad for around £200k, but missed out on Nicky Ajose who scored goals for Swindon and went to Leeds for around £150k?

Can we please start a fund to buy Mr Power some new marbles, as he has totally lost his?
No congratulations to Power for securing one of our best defenders for a while back on loan then? Or for putting HIS hand in HIS pocket to sign a striker that so many fans have been calling for? Power has done a brilliant job this window, assembling a young but talented squad on a sustainable budget and holding onto all but one of our best players. We will have a great season and I for one am looking forward to getting down to the CG to watch them!
[quote][p][bold]joey butler[/bold] wrote: So we buy this totally unproven Spurs lad for around £200k, but missed out on Nicky Ajose who scored goals for Swindon and went to Leeds for around £150k? Can we please start a fund to buy Mr Power some new marbles, as he has totally lost his?[/p][/quote]No congratulations to Power for securing one of our best defenders for a while back on loan then? Or for putting HIS hand in HIS pocket to sign a striker that so many fans have been calling for? Power has done a brilliant job this window, assembling a young but talented squad on a sustainable budget and holding onto all but one of our best players. We will have a great season and I for one am looking forward to getting down to the CG to watch them! Rednwhitewalrus699
  • Score: 61

6:56am Tue 2 Sep 14

LionelHutz says...

With the pitiful home attendances so far this season, Power is within his rights to sell players to make up the shortfall. I'm just happy it hasn't led to an immediate weakening of the squad. In fact, I think we may even challenge for a top six place this season.

Great business by Swindon yesterday.

Wouldn't call Norwich a massive club though. Bigger club than us, yes. But nowhere near massive.
With the pitiful home attendances so far this season, Power is within his rights to sell players to make up the shortfall. I'm just happy it hasn't led to an immediate weakening of the squad. In fact, I think we may even challenge for a top six place this season. Great business by Swindon yesterday. Wouldn't call Norwich a massive club though. Bigger club than us, yes. But nowhere near massive. LionelHutz
  • Score: -47

6:57am Tue 2 Sep 14

LeGod says...

Good luck Louis in your next step up the ladder you are a quality guy and will be a very good player for Norwich as we can all see how you have improved in a short time and your still very young.
Good business mr power and a good window for us.
Good luck Louis in your next step up the ladder you are a quality guy and will be a very good player for Norwich as we can all see how you have improved in a short time and your still very young. Good business mr power and a good window for us. LeGod
  • Score: 9

7:03am Tue 2 Sep 14

avo says...

Jack Stephens is back smirg. Happy days
Jack Stephens is back smirg. Happy days avo
  • Score: 22

7:08am Tue 2 Sep 14

swindonjason says...

A great day at SN1 in my opinion.

We have made a potential 7 figure sale to one of our home grown talents - and good luck to him. The deal was too good for the club and Louis to turn down, plus he returns to the club on loan to help maintain our promotion push.

Plus the permanent signing of Obika. Many, myself included will say that he was rubbish when he last arrived. But this is a team who plays different football to that around 3 years ago, and I am happy to give the guy a 2nd chance.

Then Jack Stephens, we all know from last season. Credit to Mark Cooper and Lee Power on their 'never say die attitude' making this signing in the last hour.

Now we have around 10 days to prepare for Bradford and hopefully the guys on International duty will come back unscathed and the lads on the treatment table will have made a good recovery.

All in all things look alot brighter at SN1
A great day at SN1 in my opinion. We have made a potential 7 figure sale to one of our home grown talents - and good luck to him. The deal was too good for the club and Louis to turn down, plus he returns to the club on loan to help maintain our promotion push. Plus the permanent signing of Obika. Many, myself included will say that he was rubbish when he last arrived. But this is a team who plays different football to that around 3 years ago, and I am happy to give the guy a 2nd chance. Then Jack Stephens, we all know from last season. Credit to Mark Cooper and Lee Power on their 'never say die attitude' making this signing in the last hour. Now we have around 10 days to prepare for Bradford and hopefully the guys on International duty will come back unscathed and the lads on the treatment table will have made a good recovery. All in all things look alot brighter at SN1 swindonjason
  • Score: 18

7:14am Tue 2 Sep 14

Redhouse Red says...

swindonjason wrote:
A great day at SN1 in my opinion.

We have made a potential 7 figure sale to one of our home grown talents - and good luck to him. The deal was too good for the club and Louis to turn down, plus he returns to the club on loan to help maintain our promotion push.

Plus the permanent signing of Obika. Many, myself included will say that he was rubbish when he last arrived. But this is a team who plays different football to that around 3 years ago, and I am happy to give the guy a 2nd chance.

Then Jack Stephens, we all know from last season. Credit to Mark Cooper and Lee Power on their 'never say die attitude' making this signing in the last hour.

Now we have around 10 days to prepare for Bradford and hopefully the guys on International duty will come back unscathed and the lads on the treatment table will have made a good recovery.

All in all things look alot brighter at SN1
Absolutely

New striker to give more options. Existing creative midfield. Decent defend to bolster at the rear.

Plus a few quid to help balance the books.

Good day and good job
[quote][p][bold]swindonjason[/bold] wrote: A great day at SN1 in my opinion. We have made a potential 7 figure sale to one of our home grown talents - and good luck to him. The deal was too good for the club and Louis to turn down, plus he returns to the club on loan to help maintain our promotion push. Plus the permanent signing of Obika. Many, myself included will say that he was rubbish when he last arrived. But this is a team who plays different football to that around 3 years ago, and I am happy to give the guy a 2nd chance. Then Jack Stephens, we all know from last season. Credit to Mark Cooper and Lee Power on their 'never say die attitude' making this signing in the last hour. Now we have around 10 days to prepare for Bradford and hopefully the guys on International duty will come back unscathed and the lads on the treatment table will have made a good recovery. All in all things look alot brighter at SN1[/p][/quote]Absolutely New striker to give more options. Existing creative midfield. Decent defend to bolster at the rear. Plus a few quid to help balance the books. Good day and good job Redhouse Red
  • Score: 25

7:16am Tue 2 Sep 14

subbuteoles says...

Glad we have Jack Stephens back. must admit that i did post on here 6 weeks ago that a Saints friend of mine told me we would never get him back. So, today there is no need for me to go to Tesco to get sandwiches for work as i have a large bit of humble pie to work my way through!. Now watch us set League 1 alight. COYR,s
Glad we have Jack Stephens back. must admit that i did post on here 6 weeks ago that a Saints friend of mine told me we would never get him back. So, today there is no need for me to go to Tesco to get sandwiches for work as i have a large bit of humble pie to work my way through!. Now watch us set League 1 alight. COYR,s subbuteoles
  • Score: 10

7:42am Tue 2 Sep 14

Since 1950 says...

Naturally disappointed to see Louis sold on, but at least we keep him until the end of the season. Some good business by Town generally but I can't help but think, in these days of obscene transfer fees being paid for average players, that the young Lad who has so much potential was let go cheaply.

COYR.
Naturally disappointed to see Louis sold on, but at least we keep him until the end of the season. Some good business by Town generally but I can't help but think, in these days of obscene transfer fees being paid for average players, that the young Lad who has so much potential was let go cheaply. COYR. Since 1950
  • Score: -9

7:44am Tue 2 Sep 14

old town robin says...

LionelHutz wrote:
With the pitiful home attendances so far this season, Power is within his rights to sell players to make up the shortfall. I'm just happy it hasn't led to an immediate weakening of the squad. In fact, I think we may even challenge for a top six place this season.

Great business by Swindon yesterday.

Wouldn't call Norwich a massive club though. Bigger club than us, yes. But nowhere near massive.
Agree, with the squad as it is today, anything less than a play-off place would be a tad disappointing.

There will need to be some improvements in certain areas, tighten up in defence, a little more clinical in front of goal, better discipline and pick up points away from home are all things we can do better.and no reason why we can't be serious contenders at the business end of the season.
[quote][p][bold]LionelHutz[/bold] wrote: With the pitiful home attendances so far this season, Power is within his rights to sell players to make up the shortfall. I'm just happy it hasn't led to an immediate weakening of the squad. In fact, I think we may even challenge for a top six place this season. Great business by Swindon yesterday. Wouldn't call Norwich a massive club though. Bigger club than us, yes. But nowhere near massive.[/p][/quote]Agree, with the squad as it is today, anything less than a play-off place would be a tad disappointing. There will need to be some improvements in certain areas, tighten up in defence, a little more clinical in front of goal, better discipline and pick up points away from home are all things we can do better.and no reason why we can't be serious contenders at the business end of the season. old town robin
  • Score: -15

7:47am Tue 2 Sep 14

ciclosporindorset says...

Where is LR the voice of reason when all around him were doubting. Come back LR all is forgiven, I hope!
Where is LR the voice of reason when all around him were doubting. Come back LR all is forgiven, I hope! ciclosporindorset
  • Score: -37

8:03am Tue 2 Sep 14

eareds says...

Best of luck, Norwich are the ideal next club for you as they have a similar football ethic to the town,
Best of luck, Norwich are the ideal next club for you as they have a similar football ethic to the town, eareds
  • Score: 4

8:04am Tue 2 Sep 14

Haydonender says...

Great to see Stephens back, all round a good days business yesterday. Power certainly knows what he's doing on the transfer front
Great to see Stephens back, all round a good days business yesterday. Power certainly knows what he's doing on the transfer front Haydonender
  • Score: 9

8:06am Tue 2 Sep 14

umpcah says...

Since 1950 wrote:
Naturally disappointed to see Louis sold on, but at least we keep him until the end of the season. Some good business by Town generally but I can't help but think, in these days of obscene transfer fees being paid for average players, that the young Lad who has so much potential was let go cheaply.

COYR.
Naturally disappointed to see Louis sold on ? We`re all sorry to lose Louis but he hasn`t actually gone yet has he ? Young talented players will always move on and like you I could list many who have progressed from the CG during the last few decades. Think of the pleasure we`ve had watching unknowns improve , shine and then attract the attention of bigger clubs . Obscene transfer fees are being paid nowadays and alas usually for foreign players - not up and comings at lower league clubs. So I don't think we`ve done a bad deal with Norwich. COYR !
[quote][p][bold]Since 1950[/bold] wrote: Naturally disappointed to see Louis sold on, but at least we keep him until the end of the season. Some good business by Town generally but I can't help but think, in these days of obscene transfer fees being paid for average players, that the young Lad who has so much potential was let go cheaply. COYR.[/p][/quote]Naturally disappointed to see Louis sold on ? We`re all sorry to lose Louis but he hasn`t actually gone yet has he ? Young talented players will always move on and like you I could list many who have progressed from the CG during the last few decades. Think of the pleasure we`ve had watching unknowns improve , shine and then attract the attention of bigger clubs . Obscene transfer fees are being paid nowadays and alas usually for foreign players - not up and comings at lower league clubs. So I don't think we`ve done a bad deal with Norwich. COYR ! umpcah
  • Score: 7

8:15am Tue 2 Sep 14

Lambourn Red says...

Very good deadline day for us, pleased for Louis lets hope we are playing against him in the Championship next year. Power and Cooper got their top 2 targets so fair play to them for being patient and not panicking , still think we could do with another wide man as back up for Byrne/B Smith hopefully we can get someone in the loan window.
Very good deadline day for us, pleased for Louis lets hope we are playing against him in the Championship next year. Power and Cooper got their top 2 targets so fair play to them for being patient and not panicking , still think we could do with another wide man as back up for Byrne/B Smith hopefully we can get someone in the loan window. Lambourn Red
  • Score: 2

8:20am Tue 2 Sep 14

dreamofacleansheet2 says...

As I've said consistently since he broke on the scene I'd have had Louis playing a long time ago. He just has so much to offer. He can break the game up but is still comfortable on the ball. 1950 feels cheap to me to but when you consider his age and length of contract Power has done a brilliant job.

I wouldn't have sold him and his brother and would have tried to build the team around them. However saying that if the player know's he's good enough he is going to go eventually as he'll know the wages he can command elsewhere will be huge in comparison.

That has to be the best transfer window we've ever add, losing no one and strengthening the team with Stephens and the squad with Obika and Reeves. I fully expect us to now take this division by storm. I'd also thoroughly recommend the 33-1 on us for the JPT because as sure as the sun comes up every morning there is no side we should fear.

Can't wait for the Bradford game. Huge......
As I've said consistently since he broke on the scene I'd have had Louis playing a long time ago. He just has so much to offer. He can break the game up but is still comfortable on the ball. 1950 feels cheap to me to but when you consider his age and length of contract Power has done a brilliant job. I wouldn't have sold him and his brother and would have tried to build the team around them. However saying that if the player know's he's good enough he is going to go eventually as he'll know the wages he can command elsewhere will be huge in comparison. That has to be the best transfer window we've ever add, losing no one and strengthening the team with Stephens and the squad with Obika and Reeves. I fully expect us to now take this division by storm. I'd also thoroughly recommend the 33-1 on us for the JPT because as sure as the sun comes up every morning there is no side we should fear. Can't wait for the Bradford game. Huge...... dreamofacleansheet2
  • Score: 11

8:23am Tue 2 Sep 14

you gots ta be kidding me says...

We look good going forward and vulnerable at the back, Jack Stephens for me is the most important signing we have made, along with Keeping Luongo, Yasser and Wes, overall a very good window for us and I am now starting to get excited, you can't judge Obika on his loan, he was in a team with no motivation heading one way in a bad dressing room and he was young.

Obika has power and pace and can play with his back to goal, I think you will see a different player to the one we had on loan....
We look good going forward and vulnerable at the back, Jack Stephens for me is the most important signing we have made, along with Keeping Luongo, Yasser and Wes, overall a very good window for us and I am now starting to get excited, you can't judge Obika on his loan, he was in a team with no motivation heading one way in a bad dressing room and he was young. Obika has power and pace and can play with his back to goal, I think you will see a different player to the one we had on loan.... you gots ta be kidding me
  • Score: 15

8:26am Tue 2 Sep 14

old town robin says...

Jon Obika must have played with half our squad before his arrival. Williams at Yeovil, possibly Michael Smith at Charlton, then there's the Spurs and Brighton connections.

I'm sure Luke Williams will have had a say bringing him, I think we've made a good signing with a lot of potential, as long as attitude has improved, which I'm sure it has now he's a little bit older.

See after Coventry didn't follow up on Michael Smith, they've gone for Frank Nouble, now that is a risky signing.
Jon Obika must have played with half our squad before his arrival. Williams at Yeovil, possibly Michael Smith at Charlton, then there's the Spurs and Brighton connections. I'm sure Luke Williams will have had a say bringing him, I think we've made a good signing with a lot of potential, as long as attitude has improved, which I'm sure it has now he's a little bit older. See after Coventry didn't follow up on Michael Smith, they've gone for Frank Nouble, now that is a risky signing. old town robin
  • Score: 3

8:41am Tue 2 Sep 14

Mchalethegreat says...

LionelHutz wrote:
With the pitiful home attendances so far this season, Power is within his rights to sell players to make up the shortfall. I'm just happy it hasn't led to an immediate weakening of the squad. In fact, I think we may even challenge for a top six place this season. Great business by Swindon yesterday. Wouldn't call Norwich a massive club though. Bigger club than us, yes. But nowhere near massive.
really not sure why this has got -26 thumbs! May challenge for top six, great business Norwich not massive - true, and yes crowds are poor this season!
[quote][p][bold]LionelHutz[/bold] wrote: With the pitiful home attendances so far this season, Power is within his rights to sell players to make up the shortfall. I'm just happy it hasn't led to an immediate weakening of the squad. In fact, I think we may even challenge for a top six place this season. Great business by Swindon yesterday. Wouldn't call Norwich a massive club though. Bigger club than us, yes. But nowhere near massive.[/p][/quote]really not sure why this has got -26 thumbs! May challenge for top six, great business Norwich not massive - true, and yes crowds are poor this season! Mchalethegreat
  • Score: 3

8:41am Tue 2 Sep 14

redbythesea says...

old town robin wrote:
LionelHutz wrote:
With the pitiful home attendances so far this season, Power is within his rights to sell players to make up the shortfall. I'm just happy it hasn't led to an immediate weakening of the squad. In fact, I think we may even challenge for a top six place this season.

Great business by Swindon yesterday.

Wouldn't call Norwich a massive club though. Bigger club than us, yes. But nowhere near massive.
Agree, with the squad as it is today, anything less than a play-off place would be a tad disappointing.

There will need to be some improvements in certain areas, tighten up in defence, a little more clinical in front of goal, better discipline and pick up points away from home are all things we can do better.and no reason why we can't be serious contenders at the business end of the season.
Whilst you generally speaking a load of old Tosh old town, not sure why you are getting the thumbs down for this post. Seems reasonable enough.
[quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LionelHutz[/bold] wrote: With the pitiful home attendances so far this season, Power is within his rights to sell players to make up the shortfall. I'm just happy it hasn't led to an immediate weakening of the squad. In fact, I think we may even challenge for a top six place this season. Great business by Swindon yesterday. Wouldn't call Norwich a massive club though. Bigger club than us, yes. But nowhere near massive.[/p][/quote]Agree, with the squad as it is today, anything less than a play-off place would be a tad disappointing. There will need to be some improvements in certain areas, tighten up in defence, a little more clinical in front of goal, better discipline and pick up points away from home are all things we can do better.and no reason why we can't be serious contenders at the business end of the season.[/p][/quote]Whilst you generally speaking a load of old Tosh old town, not sure why you are getting the thumbs down for this post. Seems reasonable enough. redbythesea
  • Score: 1

8:41am Tue 2 Sep 14

redbythesea says...

old town robin wrote:
LionelHutz wrote:
With the pitiful home attendances so far this season, Power is within his rights to sell players to make up the shortfall. I'm just happy it hasn't led to an immediate weakening of the squad. In fact, I think we may even challenge for a top six place this season.

Great business by Swindon yesterday.

Wouldn't call Norwich a massive club though. Bigger club than us, yes. But nowhere near massive.
Agree, with the squad as it is today, anything less than a play-off place would be a tad disappointing.

There will need to be some improvements in certain areas, tighten up in defence, a little more clinical in front of goal, better discipline and pick up points away from home are all things we can do better.and no reason why we can't be serious contenders at the business end of the season.
Whilst you generally speaking a load of old Tosh old town, not sure why you are getting the thumbs down for this post. Seems reasonable enough.
[quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LionelHutz[/bold] wrote: With the pitiful home attendances so far this season, Power is within his rights to sell players to make up the shortfall. I'm just happy it hasn't led to an immediate weakening of the squad. In fact, I think we may even challenge for a top six place this season. Great business by Swindon yesterday. Wouldn't call Norwich a massive club though. Bigger club than us, yes. But nowhere near massive.[/p][/quote]Agree, with the squad as it is today, anything less than a play-off place would be a tad disappointing. There will need to be some improvements in certain areas, tighten up in defence, a little more clinical in front of goal, better discipline and pick up points away from home are all things we can do better.and no reason why we can't be serious contenders at the business end of the season.[/p][/quote]Whilst you generally speaking a load of old Tosh old town, not sure why you are getting the thumbs down for this post. Seems reasonable enough. redbythesea
  • Score: -3

8:56am Tue 2 Sep 14

umpcah says...

redbythesea wrote:
old town robin wrote:
LionelHutz wrote:
With the pitiful home attendances so far this season, Power is within his rights to sell players to make up the shortfall. I'm just happy it hasn't led to an immediate weakening of the squad. In fact, I think we may even challenge for a top six place this season.

Great business by Swindon yesterday.

Wouldn't call Norwich a massive club though. Bigger club than us, yes. But nowhere near massive.
Agree, with the squad as it is today, anything less than a play-off place would be a tad disappointing.

There will need to be some improvements in certain areas, tighten up in defence, a little more clinical in front of goal, better discipline and pick up points away from home are all things we can do better.and no reason why we can't be serious contenders at the business end of the season.
Whilst you generally speaking a load of old Tosh old town, not sure why you are getting the thumbs down for this post. Seems reasonable enough.
Why worry ? Thumbing up your own post is a simple job ! Personally I don't bother with this thumbing lark and I guess most other posters don't either !
[quote][p][bold]redbythesea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LionelHutz[/bold] wrote: With the pitiful home attendances so far this season, Power is within his rights to sell players to make up the shortfall. I'm just happy it hasn't led to an immediate weakening of the squad. In fact, I think we may even challenge for a top six place this season. Great business by Swindon yesterday. Wouldn't call Norwich a massive club though. Bigger club than us, yes. But nowhere near massive.[/p][/quote]Agree, with the squad as it is today, anything less than a play-off place would be a tad disappointing. There will need to be some improvements in certain areas, tighten up in defence, a little more clinical in front of goal, better discipline and pick up points away from home are all things we can do better.and no reason why we can't be serious contenders at the business end of the season.[/p][/quote]Whilst you generally speaking a load of old Tosh old town, not sure why you are getting the thumbs down for this post. Seems reasonable enough.[/p][/quote]Why worry ? Thumbing up your own post is a simple job ! Personally I don't bother with this thumbing lark and I guess most other posters don't either ! umpcah
  • Score: 2

9:07am Tue 2 Sep 14

South Stand says...

Rednwhitewalrus699 wrote:
joey butler wrote:
So we buy this totally unproven Spurs lad for around £200k, but missed out on Nicky Ajose who scored goals for Swindon and went to Leeds for around £150k?

Can we please start a fund to buy Mr Power some new marbles, as he has totally lost his?
No congratulations to Power for securing one of our best defenders for a while back on loan then? Or for putting HIS hand in HIS pocket to sign a striker that so many fans have been calling for? Power has done a brilliant job this window, assembling a young but talented squad on a sustainable budget and holding onto all but one of our best players. We will have a great season and I for one am looking forward to getting down to the CG to watch them!
Just try to ignore this person. He is so obviously nothing at all to do with STFC. I have been a pedant before on here but at the moment I can't make my mind up as to whether he's a knob or a nob.
Even with eventual loss of Louis, I think yesterday's dealings shows how good LP is at his job.
Now let's all go forward with LP, MC and the team.
[quote][p][bold]Rednwhitewalrus699[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]joey butler[/bold] wrote: So we buy this totally unproven Spurs lad for around £200k, but missed out on Nicky Ajose who scored goals for Swindon and went to Leeds for around £150k? Can we please start a fund to buy Mr Power some new marbles, as he has totally lost his?[/p][/quote]No congratulations to Power for securing one of our best defenders for a while back on loan then? Or for putting HIS hand in HIS pocket to sign a striker that so many fans have been calling for? Power has done a brilliant job this window, assembling a young but talented squad on a sustainable budget and holding onto all but one of our best players. We will have a great season and I for one am looking forward to getting down to the CG to watch them![/p][/quote]Just try to ignore this person. He is so obviously nothing at all to do with STFC. I have been a pedant before on here but at the moment I can't make my mind up as to whether he's a knob or a nob. Even with eventual loss of Louis, I think yesterday's dealings shows how good LP is at his job. Now let's all go forward with LP, MC and the team. South Stand
  • Score: 6

9:09am Tue 2 Sep 14

London Red says...

ciclosporindorset wrote:
Where is LR the voice of reason when all around him were doubting. Come back LR all is forgiven, I hope!
Ciclo - I've been away on holiday and with a busy first day back and too much petty squabbling didn't post yesterday
.
I said earlier in the summer (like I have the year before, the year before that and the one before that) that it is far to early to judge the squad in June/July when the window doesn't shut until September - yet too many still do - and surprise surprise the squad has slowly taken shape over that period and now looks great!
.
Also with 2 wins, 2 draws and only 1 defeat - with some stellar football and performances in there - the start has been pretty good despite it not being completed until yesterday!
.
We still have the best keeper in L1 backed up by Belford who has looked more than a reasonable understudy
.
We now have Stephens, Thompson and Turnbull as the back 3 which I think will be solid and have strength in depth with Branco and Lelan as back up
.
Byrne has been a revelation on the right and I think we will soon see why Smith is rated so highly at Liverpool - and these are supported by Barthram (and Thompson) but agree another wide left player would be good when the window re-opens
.
The trio in the middle have been great and the fantastic deal for Louis keeps him here which makes it even better - plus they are now supported by 3 understudies in Rodgers, Reeves and Gladwin showing the strength we have there - are some still doubting Power's assessment of our midfield?
.
We are also now strong up top with Smith and Obika looking different to each other so hopefully can create a partnership - with Williams, Waldon and Barker offering support behind them
.
I said top 10 outside chance of PO's from day 1 - I now think that we are looking more likely to be in the PO's!
.
Not sure if there are 6 better teams than us this season - 3 or 4 but not 6!
[quote][p][bold]ciclosporindorset[/bold] wrote: Where is LR the voice of reason when all around him were doubting. Come back LR all is forgiven, I hope![/p][/quote]Ciclo - I've been away on holiday and with a busy first day back and too much petty squabbling didn't post yesterday . I said earlier in the summer (like I have the year before, the year before that and the one before that) that it is far to early to judge the squad in June/July when the window doesn't shut until September - yet too many still do - and surprise surprise the squad has slowly taken shape over that period and now looks great! . Also with 2 wins, 2 draws and only 1 defeat - with some stellar football and performances in there - the start has been pretty good despite it not being completed until yesterday! . We still have the best keeper in L1 backed up by Belford who has looked more than a reasonable understudy . We now have Stephens, Thompson and Turnbull as the back 3 which I think will be solid and have strength in depth with Branco and Lelan as back up . Byrne has been a revelation on the right and I think we will soon see why Smith is rated so highly at Liverpool - and these are supported by Barthram (and Thompson) but agree another wide left player would be good when the window re-opens . The trio in the middle have been great and the fantastic deal for Louis keeps him here which makes it even better - plus they are now supported by 3 understudies in Rodgers, Reeves and Gladwin showing the strength we have there - are some still doubting Power's assessment of our midfield? . We are also now strong up top with Smith and Obika looking different to each other so hopefully can create a partnership - with Williams, Waldon and Barker offering support behind them . I said top 10 outside chance of PO's from day 1 - I now think that we are looking more likely to be in the PO's! . Not sure if there are 6 better teams than us this season - 3 or 4 but not 6! London Red
  • Score: 24

9:30am Tue 2 Sep 14

LionelHutz says...

LionelHutz wrote:
With the pitiful home attendances so far this season, Power is within his rights to sell players to make up the shortfall. I'm just happy it hasn't led to an immediate weakening of the squad. In fact, I think we may even challenge for a top six place this season.

Great business by Swindon yesterday.

Wouldn't call Norwich a massive club though. Bigger club than us, yes. But nowhere near massive.
Minus 49 (at the time of writing)?! Yet everything I have said is factually correct. Season ticket prices went down, yet sales have dropped. Matchday prices have, on average, stayed the same, yet attendances have dropped. How else are we going to make up that loss of income?
[quote][p][bold]LionelHutz[/bold] wrote: With the pitiful home attendances so far this season, Power is within his rights to sell players to make up the shortfall. I'm just happy it hasn't led to an immediate weakening of the squad. In fact, I think we may even challenge for a top six place this season. Great business by Swindon yesterday. Wouldn't call Norwich a massive club though. Bigger club than us, yes. But nowhere near massive.[/p][/quote]Minus 49 (at the time of writing)?! Yet everything I have said is factually correct. Season ticket prices went down, yet sales have dropped. Matchday prices have, on average, stayed the same, yet attendances have dropped. How else are we going to make up that loss of income? LionelHutz
  • Score: 2

9:30am Tue 2 Sep 14

LionelHutz says...

LionelHutz wrote:
With the pitiful home attendances so far this season, Power is within his rights to sell players to make up the shortfall. I'm just happy it hasn't led to an immediate weakening of the squad. In fact, I think we may even challenge for a top six place this season.

Great business by Swindon yesterday.

Wouldn't call Norwich a massive club though. Bigger club than us, yes. But nowhere near massive.
Minus 49 (at the time of writing)?! Yet everything I have said is factually correct. Season ticket prices went down, yet sales have dropped. Matchday prices have, on average, stayed the same, yet attendances have dropped. How else are we going to make up that loss of income?
[quote][p][bold]LionelHutz[/bold] wrote: With the pitiful home attendances so far this season, Power is within his rights to sell players to make up the shortfall. I'm just happy it hasn't led to an immediate weakening of the squad. In fact, I think we may even challenge for a top six place this season. Great business by Swindon yesterday. Wouldn't call Norwich a massive club though. Bigger club than us, yes. But nowhere near massive.[/p][/quote]Minus 49 (at the time of writing)?! Yet everything I have said is factually correct. Season ticket prices went down, yet sales have dropped. Matchday prices have, on average, stayed the same, yet attendances have dropped. How else are we going to make up that loss of income? LionelHutz
  • Score: -3

10:06am Tue 2 Sep 14

london paolo says...

LionelHutz wrote:
With the pitiful home attendances so far this season, Power is within his rights to sell players to make up the shortfall. I'm just happy it hasn't led to an immediate weakening of the squad. In fact, I think we may even challenge for a top six place this season.

Great business by Swindon yesterday.

Wouldn't call Norwich a massive club though. Bigger club than us, yes. But nowhere near massive.
Baffled why this gets such a massive down vote. Called it as it is - attendances down, financial shortfall, yet the squad is actually stronger for this season, until January at least.

Norwich as a town/city has roughly the same population as Swindon, maybe slightly higher. But as a football club, it's on a different level. Over the medium term, they are what Swindon must aspire to, although not owning our ground is a major thorn in the side. We both have a small bird on our badge though, so anything is possible.

I wouldn't say the business was 'great' though, although getting Stephens is very good news (and was much needed). I'm realistic, but always feel sad when we lose a star young player, especially when he's a local lad as LT is, and I 'm concerned over Obika. Hope he proves us wrong and takes advantage of a fresh start and a permanent club, but it looks like it could be careless use of scarce funds.
[quote][p][bold]LionelHutz[/bold] wrote: With the pitiful home attendances so far this season, Power is within his rights to sell players to make up the shortfall. I'm just happy it hasn't led to an immediate weakening of the squad. In fact, I think we may even challenge for a top six place this season. Great business by Swindon yesterday. Wouldn't call Norwich a massive club though. Bigger club than us, yes. But nowhere near massive.[/p][/quote]Baffled why this gets such a massive down vote. Called it as it is - attendances down, financial shortfall, yet the squad is actually stronger for this season, until January at least. Norwich as a town/city has roughly the same population as Swindon, maybe slightly higher. But as a football club, it's on a different level. Over the medium term, they are what Swindon must aspire to, although not owning our ground is a major thorn in the side. We both have a small bird on our badge though, so anything is possible. I wouldn't say the business was 'great' though, although getting Stephens is very good news (and was much needed). I'm realistic, but always feel sad when we lose a star young player, especially when he's a local lad as LT is, and I 'm concerned over Obika. Hope he proves us wrong and takes advantage of a fresh start and a permanent club, but it looks like it could be careless use of scarce funds. london paolo
  • Score: 1

10:10am Tue 2 Sep 14

LeGod says...

Lionel Hutz - The trouble is on this site you spell out the facts and people dont like it and your absolutely right in what you are saying. i dont know what Swindon fans want we are playing good possession football have now brought in the right players in the window to move forward and still they moan and i think many that moan dont even go to games anyway. There are far bigger clubs in this league than us like Sheff Utd-Preston-Coventry and we are competing with these clubs and we should fear no one. i think now with Stephens in and Obika we have a very good squad of players all technically very good and these players can pass the ball around better than our supposed top players that play for England.
Power has to sell if we arent getting the numbers through the turnstiles and i dont understand what people want from him. He is using his own money and the club has to be sustainable otherwise if we get in trouble we will automatically go to the conference as that is the rule of the league fpr three times in administration.
Do people want to see hoof ball as Martin Allen plays - ask Gillingham fans they hated it.
Cooper has done a great job in getting these players to play the way they do and he deserves alot of credit and what he has achieved has been noticed by a number fo championship clubs.
People on this site need to be careful to continually slag the likes of Power and Cooper off as they could quite easily walk away as Black did and leave us in the lurch.
To me most of the moaners on here are clueless anyway about football. Many were criticising Obika yesterday and as i stated yesterday if you have Hart as manager he wouldnt inspire anyone as the guy is so dull himself and at the time Obika was 20 and still learning the game. Hes 23 now which in football makes a massive difference with an extra 3 years experience, he is stronger, pacier and will cause defence problems in this league.
I would love Obika to bang a few goals in and shut you lot of moaners up and the way we play im sure he is going to.
For those that remember when he had motivator Hart here we had 10 players behind the ball and just defended then the last 10 minutes he would try and win the game totally boring tactics especially the position we were in at the time and hes so good where is he now to my knowledge he is youth coach somewhere last i heard.
Lionel Hutz - The trouble is on this site you spell out the facts and people dont like it and your absolutely right in what you are saying. i dont know what Swindon fans want we are playing good possession football have now brought in the right players in the window to move forward and still they moan and i think many that moan dont even go to games anyway. There are far bigger clubs in this league than us like Sheff Utd-Preston-Coventry and we are competing with these clubs and we should fear no one. i think now with Stephens in and Obika we have a very good squad of players all technically very good and these players can pass the ball around better than our supposed top players that play for England. Power has to sell if we arent getting the numbers through the turnstiles and i dont understand what people want from him. He is using his own money and the club has to be sustainable otherwise if we get in trouble we will automatically go to the conference as that is the rule of the league fpr three times in administration. Do people want to see hoof ball as Martin Allen plays - ask Gillingham fans they hated it. Cooper has done a great job in getting these players to play the way they do and he deserves alot of credit and what he has achieved has been noticed by a number fo championship clubs. People on this site need to be careful to continually slag the likes of Power and Cooper off as they could quite easily walk away as Black did and leave us in the lurch. To me most of the moaners on here are clueless anyway about football. Many were criticising Obika yesterday and as i stated yesterday if you have Hart as manager he wouldnt inspire anyone as the guy is so dull himself and at the time Obika was 20 and still learning the game. Hes 23 now which in football makes a massive difference with an extra 3 years experience, he is stronger, pacier and will cause defence problems in this league. I would love Obika to bang a few goals in and shut you lot of moaners up and the way we play im sure he is going to. For those that remember when he had motivator Hart here we had 10 players behind the ball and just defended then the last 10 minutes he would try and win the game totally boring tactics especially the position we were in at the time and hes so good where is he now to my knowledge he is youth coach somewhere last i heard. LeGod
  • Score: 13

10:14am Tue 2 Sep 14

andy5364 says...

London Red wrote:
ciclosporindorset wrote:
Where is LR the voice of reason when all around him were doubting. Come back LR all is forgiven, I hope!
Ciclo - I've been away on holiday and with a busy first day back and too much petty squabbling didn't post yesterday
.
I said earlier in the summer (like I have the year before, the year before that and the one before that) that it is far to early to judge the squad in June/July when the window doesn't shut until September - yet too many still do - and surprise surprise the squad has slowly taken shape over that period and now looks great!
.
Also with 2 wins, 2 draws and only 1 defeat - with some stellar football and performances in there - the start has been pretty good despite it not being completed until yesterday!
.
We still have the best keeper in L1 backed up by Belford who has looked more than a reasonable understudy
.
We now have Stephens, Thompson and Turnbull as the back 3 which I think will be solid and have strength in depth with Branco and Lelan as back up
.
Byrne has been a revelation on the right and I think we will soon see why Smith is rated so highly at Liverpool - and these are supported by Barthram (and Thompson) but agree another wide left player would be good when the window re-opens
.
The trio in the middle have been great and the fantastic deal for Louis keeps him here which makes it even better - plus they are now supported by 3 understudies in Rodgers, Reeves and Gladwin showing the strength we have there - are some still doubting Power's assessment of our midfield?
.
We are also now strong up top with Smith and Obika looking different to each other so hopefully can create a partnership - with Williams, Waldon and Barker offering support behind them
.
I said top 10 outside chance of PO's from day 1 - I now think that we are looking more likely to be in the PO's!
.
Not sure if there are 6 better teams than us this season - 3 or 4 but not 6!
I very good assessment london red . I think we are going to surprise a few this season and I to said top 10 this year but after watching them so far this year ill be disappointed if we do not make top 6 . Some of the footie has been superb and this group of young lads can only get better .. coyr
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ciclosporindorset[/bold] wrote: Where is LR the voice of reason when all around him were doubting. Come back LR all is forgiven, I hope![/p][/quote]Ciclo - I've been away on holiday and with a busy first day back and too much petty squabbling didn't post yesterday . I said earlier in the summer (like I have the year before, the year before that and the one before that) that it is far to early to judge the squad in June/July when the window doesn't shut until September - yet too many still do - and surprise surprise the squad has slowly taken shape over that period and now looks great! . Also with 2 wins, 2 draws and only 1 defeat - with some stellar football and performances in there - the start has been pretty good despite it not being completed until yesterday! . We still have the best keeper in L1 backed up by Belford who has looked more than a reasonable understudy . We now have Stephens, Thompson and Turnbull as the back 3 which I think will be solid and have strength in depth with Branco and Lelan as back up . Byrne has been a revelation on the right and I think we will soon see why Smith is rated so highly at Liverpool - and these are supported by Barthram (and Thompson) but agree another wide left player would be good when the window re-opens . The trio in the middle have been great and the fantastic deal for Louis keeps him here which makes it even better - plus they are now supported by 3 understudies in Rodgers, Reeves and Gladwin showing the strength we have there - are some still doubting Power's assessment of our midfield? . We are also now strong up top with Smith and Obika looking different to each other so hopefully can create a partnership - with Williams, Waldon and Barker offering support behind them . I said top 10 outside chance of PO's from day 1 - I now think that we are looking more likely to be in the PO's! . Not sure if there are 6 better teams than us this season - 3 or 4 but not 6![/p][/quote]I very good assessment london red . I think we are going to surprise a few this season and I to said top 10 this year but after watching them so far this year ill be disappointed if we do not make top 6 . Some of the footie has been superb and this group of young lads can only get better .. coyr andy5364
  • Score: 6

10:21am Tue 2 Sep 14

Wilesy says...

London Red wrote:
ciclosporindorset wrote:
Where is LR the voice of reason when all around him were doubting. Come back LR all is forgiven, I hope!
Ciclo - I've been away on holiday and with a busy first day back and too much petty squabbling didn't post yesterday
.
I said earlier in the summer (like I have the year before, the year before that and the one before that) that it is far to early to judge the squad in June/July when the window doesn't shut until September - yet too many still do - and surprise surprise the squad has slowly taken shape over that period and now looks great!
.
Also with 2 wins, 2 draws and only 1 defeat - with some stellar football and performances in there - the start has been pretty good despite it not being completed until yesterday!
.
We still have the best keeper in L1 backed up by Belford who has looked more than a reasonable understudy
.
We now have Stephens, Thompson and Turnbull as the back 3 which I think will be solid and have strength in depth with Branco and Lelan as back up
.
Byrne has been a revelation on the right and I think we will soon see why Smith is rated so highly at Liverpool - and these are supported by Barthram (and Thompson) but agree another wide left player would be good when the window re-opens
.
The trio in the middle have been great and the fantastic deal for Louis keeps him here which makes it even better - plus they are now supported by 3 understudies in Rodgers, Reeves and Gladwin showing the strength we have there - are some still doubting Power's assessment of our midfield?
.
We are also now strong up top with Smith and Obika looking different to each other so hopefully can create a partnership - with Williams, Waldon and Barker offering support behind them
.
I said top 10 outside chance of PO's from day 1 - I now think that we are looking more likely to be in the PO's!
.
Not sure if there are 6 better teams than us this season - 3 or 4 but not 6!
I have to say I'm amazed at how good the possession football has been this season our midfield 5 have been a revelation. Credit to the management team for improving the players. Just look how much Kasim, Byrne, Luongo, Louis, even Smith have improved in just a year or so.

With Reeves Gladwin and Rodgers some good back up which was a worry.

Now we have added Obika and Stephens that definitely gives the squad a boost both in standard and numbers. If Obika starts Williams can always go wide left.

Decent money and a good move for Louis, 7 figures v 250k next summer when his contract expires. Presumably Norwich paying the wages too?

Just one thing to be cautious about is there must be several eg Wes with contracts expiring in the summer - don't want to lost them for next to nothing so hopefully Power can address that with the same success.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ciclosporindorset[/bold] wrote: Where is LR the voice of reason when all around him were doubting. Come back LR all is forgiven, I hope![/p][/quote]Ciclo - I've been away on holiday and with a busy first day back and too much petty squabbling didn't post yesterday . I said earlier in the summer (like I have the year before, the year before that and the one before that) that it is far to early to judge the squad in June/July when the window doesn't shut until September - yet too many still do - and surprise surprise the squad has slowly taken shape over that period and now looks great! . Also with 2 wins, 2 draws and only 1 defeat - with some stellar football and performances in there - the start has been pretty good despite it not being completed until yesterday! . We still have the best keeper in L1 backed up by Belford who has looked more than a reasonable understudy . We now have Stephens, Thompson and Turnbull as the back 3 which I think will be solid and have strength in depth with Branco and Lelan as back up . Byrne has been a revelation on the right and I think we will soon see why Smith is rated so highly at Liverpool - and these are supported by Barthram (and Thompson) but agree another wide left player would be good when the window re-opens . The trio in the middle have been great and the fantastic deal for Louis keeps him here which makes it even better - plus they are now supported by 3 understudies in Rodgers, Reeves and Gladwin showing the strength we have there - are some still doubting Power's assessment of our midfield? . We are also now strong up top with Smith and Obika looking different to each other so hopefully can create a partnership - with Williams, Waldon and Barker offering support behind them . I said top 10 outside chance of PO's from day 1 - I now think that we are looking more likely to be in the PO's! . Not sure if there are 6 better teams than us this season - 3 or 4 but not 6![/p][/quote]I have to say I'm amazed at how good the possession football has been this season our midfield 5 have been a revelation. Credit to the management team for improving the players. Just look how much Kasim, Byrne, Luongo, Louis, even Smith have improved in just a year or so. With Reeves Gladwin and Rodgers some good back up which was a worry. Now we have added Obika and Stephens that definitely gives the squad a boost both in standard and numbers. If Obika starts Williams can always go wide left. Decent money and a good move for Louis, 7 figures v 250k next summer when his contract expires. Presumably Norwich paying the wages too? Just one thing to be cautious about is there must be several eg Wes with contracts expiring in the summer - don't want to lost them for next to nothing so hopefully Power can address that with the same success. Wilesy
  • Score: 6

10:33am Tue 2 Sep 14

bluesharpbob says...

A brilliant day's work by our club. The chairman is a real shrewd guy that we're lucky to have at our club. That's despite the whinging from those who don't appreciate the brains used at this club by the chairman and manager.

We've only lost Louis, but we've got him for a whole season. Wow! With the revenue coming in for him, there's the possiblity of getting someone good in on loan and then SOME of that money may be available for buying them?!
A brilliant day's work by our club. The chairman is a real shrewd guy that we're lucky to have at our club. That's despite the whinging from those who don't appreciate the brains used at this club by the chairman and manager. We've only lost Louis, but we've got him for a whole season. Wow! With the revenue coming in for him, there's the possiblity of getting someone good in on loan and then SOME of that money may be available for buying them?! bluesharpbob
  • Score: 8

10:37am Tue 2 Sep 14

Stilloyal says...

subbuteoles wrote:
Glad we have Jack Stephens back. must admit that i did post on here 6 weeks ago that a Saints friend of mine told me we would never get him back. So, today there is no need for me to go to Tesco to get sandwiches for work as i have a large bit of humble pie to work my way through!. Now watch us set League 1 alight. COYR,s
You want cream with that Les ? Shame we couldn't get him for the season, he's only here until Feb unless it gets extended in the January window.
[quote][p][bold]subbuteoles[/bold] wrote: Glad we have Jack Stephens back. must admit that i did post on here 6 weeks ago that a Saints friend of mine told me we would never get him back. So, today there is no need for me to go to Tesco to get sandwiches for work as i have a large bit of humble pie to work my way through!. Now watch us set League 1 alight. COYR,s[/p][/quote]You want cream with that Les ? Shame we couldn't get him for the season, he's only here until Feb unless it gets extended in the January window. Stilloyal
  • Score: 1

10:38am Tue 2 Sep 14

Wilesy says...

LionelHutz wrote:
LionelHutz wrote:
With the pitiful home attendances so far this season, Power is within his rights to sell players to make up the shortfall. I'm just happy it hasn't led to an immediate weakening of the squad. In fact, I think we may even challenge for a top six place this season.

Great business by Swindon yesterday.

Wouldn't call Norwich a massive club though. Bigger club than us, yes. But nowhere near massive.
Minus 49 (at the time of writing)?! Yet everything I have said is factually correct. Season ticket prices went down, yet sales have dropped. Matchday prices have, on average, stayed the same, yet attendances have dropped. How else are we going to make up that loss of income?
Days like yesterday will go someway to getting people back. Some good business and intent shown by the chairman. Actions like that is what will attract people back especially if Obika starts well and bags a few.

I thought prices had increased, albeit slightly, plus people waited for the courtroom saga.

In football terms Norwich are way bigger than us, they are established at a higher level with lots of international players and generally deal in transfers worth millions whereas we like to deal with frees and occasional £200,000's. They also have millions available from the parachute payments and 15 million from transfer dealings this summer.
[quote][p][bold]LionelHutz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LionelHutz[/bold] wrote: With the pitiful home attendances so far this season, Power is within his rights to sell players to make up the shortfall. I'm just happy it hasn't led to an immediate weakening of the squad. In fact, I think we may even challenge for a top six place this season. Great business by Swindon yesterday. Wouldn't call Norwich a massive club though. Bigger club than us, yes. But nowhere near massive.[/p][/quote]Minus 49 (at the time of writing)?! Yet everything I have said is factually correct. Season ticket prices went down, yet sales have dropped. Matchday prices have, on average, stayed the same, yet attendances have dropped. How else are we going to make up that loss of income?[/p][/quote]Days like yesterday will go someway to getting people back. Some good business and intent shown by the chairman. Actions like that is what will attract people back especially if Obika starts well and bags a few. I thought prices had increased, albeit slightly, plus people waited for the courtroom saga. In football terms Norwich are way bigger than us, they are established at a higher level with lots of international players and generally deal in transfers worth millions whereas we like to deal with frees and occasional £200,000's. They also have millions available from the parachute payments and 15 million from transfer dealings this summer. Wilesy
  • Score: 4

10:44am Tue 2 Sep 14

Stilloyal says...

Wilesy wrote:
LionelHutz wrote:
LionelHutz wrote:
With the pitiful home attendances so far this season, Power is within his rights to sell players to make up the shortfall. I'm just happy it hasn't led to an immediate weakening of the squad. In fact, I think we may even challenge for a top six place this season.

Great business by Swindon yesterday.

Wouldn't call Norwich a massive club though. Bigger club than us, yes. But nowhere near massive.
Minus 49 (at the time of writing)?! Yet everything I have said is factually correct. Season ticket prices went down, yet sales have dropped. Matchday prices have, on average, stayed the same, yet attendances have dropped. How else are we going to make up that loss of income?
Days like yesterday will go someway to getting people back. Some good business and intent shown by the chairman. Actions like that is what will attract people back especially if Obika starts well and bags a few.

I thought prices had increased, albeit slightly, plus people waited for the courtroom saga.

In football terms Norwich are way bigger than us, they are established at a higher level with lots of international players and generally deal in transfers worth millions whereas we like to deal with frees and occasional £200,000's. They also have millions available from the parachute payments and 15 million from transfer dealings this summer.
And they're owned by a wonderful chef if ever the books need cooking ....................
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............... JOKING FOLKS ! :-)
[quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LionelHutz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LionelHutz[/bold] wrote: With the pitiful home attendances so far this season, Power is within his rights to sell players to make up the shortfall. I'm just happy it hasn't led to an immediate weakening of the squad. In fact, I think we may even challenge for a top six place this season. Great business by Swindon yesterday. Wouldn't call Norwich a massive club though. Bigger club than us, yes. But nowhere near massive.[/p][/quote]Minus 49 (at the time of writing)?! Yet everything I have said is factually correct. Season ticket prices went down, yet sales have dropped. Matchday prices have, on average, stayed the same, yet attendances have dropped. How else are we going to make up that loss of income?[/p][/quote]Days like yesterday will go someway to getting people back. Some good business and intent shown by the chairman. Actions like that is what will attract people back especially if Obika starts well and bags a few. I thought prices had increased, albeit slightly, plus people waited for the courtroom saga. In football terms Norwich are way bigger than us, they are established at a higher level with lots of international players and generally deal in transfers worth millions whereas we like to deal with frees and occasional £200,000's. They also have millions available from the parachute payments and 15 million from transfer dealings this summer.[/p][/quote]And they're owned by a wonderful chef if ever the books need cooking .................... .................... .................... ............... JOKING FOLKS ! :-) Stilloyal
  • Score: 3

10:54am Tue 2 Sep 14

swwindon61uk says...

Well that was an excellent day's work and i think a big thank you needs to go to Lee Power, we lost "only" Louis whilst spending to get Obika and getting back Stephens,time for Power to get some support from the people oh Swindon i say, i don't think he can do no more.
Now as for the debate who does Stephens replace, i will be controversial and say Thompson.
Branco,Stephens and Turnball 3 big CB's is what we have looking for all season, that leaves Thompson back to RB and Byre does not deserve to be dropped.
Well that was an excellent day's work and i think a big thank you needs to go to Lee Power, we lost "only" Louis whilst spending to get Obika and getting back Stephens,time for Power to get some support from the people oh Swindon i say, i don't think he can do no more. Now as for the debate who does Stephens replace, i will be controversial and say Thompson. Branco,Stephens and Turnball 3 big CB's is what we have looking for all season, that leaves Thompson back to RB and Byre does not deserve to be dropped. swwindon61uk
  • Score: 5

10:56am Tue 2 Sep 14

london paolo says...

Pricing is a tricky one, especially for the marginal/matchday tickets.

As a business, how well do you know the price elasticity of demand (i.e responsiveness to price changes) from your customers?

FOR EXAMPLE, you sell 1,000 tickets at £25 - takings are £25,000
You drop the price to £20 , and sell 1,500 tickets - takings are £30,000
Increase the price to £30, but only sell 700 tickets - takings are £21,000

All that should matter to the club is the net overall take at the end of the day. And for atmosphere, surely more fans (paying less) is better than fewer fans (paying more)?

Now I've no idea how much rising ticket prices explain the declining attendances at SN1 (that's The County Ground, Adver), although we are among the most expensive in L1. It's not easy to measure and then decide how sensitive your customers are to price. You can try and do research but often the only way is to suck it and see, or go on gut feel.

I'm not really part of the sample group to judge things on. Coming from London, with Tube across London, petrol, parking, pub lunch, ticket, the total cost per game can be as much as £75 and 9-10 hours out of the day. £20 or £27 as a percentage of the total cost doesn't make that much difference. It's the local market in Wiltshire that matters. Does £20 versus £27 make a difference to them? Maybe to younger people with less disposable income it does, and it's the next generation of fans the club needs to work on.

The club should be more inventive with pricing brackets, age concessions (young and old), mini blocks of 'season' tickets, supporters from out of town. But it's always easier to put the prices up, and hope.
Pricing is a tricky one, especially for the marginal/matchday tickets. As a business, how well do you know the price elasticity of demand (i.e responsiveness to price changes) from your customers? FOR EXAMPLE, you sell 1,000 tickets at £25 - takings are £25,000 You drop the price to £20 , and sell 1,500 tickets - takings are £30,000 Increase the price to £30, but only sell 700 tickets - takings are £21,000 All that should matter to the club is the net overall take at the end of the day. And for atmosphere, surely more fans (paying less) is better than fewer fans (paying more)? Now I've no idea how much rising ticket prices explain the declining attendances at SN1 (that's The County Ground, Adver), although we are among the most expensive in L1. It's not easy to measure and then decide how sensitive your customers are to price. You can try and do research but often the only way is to suck it and see, or go on gut feel. I'm not really part of the sample group to judge things on. Coming from London, with Tube across London, petrol, parking, pub lunch, ticket, the total cost per game can be as much as £75 and 9-10 hours out of the day. £20 or £27 as a percentage of the total cost doesn't make that much difference. It's the local market in Wiltshire that matters. Does £20 versus £27 make a difference to them? Maybe to younger people with less disposable income it does, and it's the next generation of fans the club needs to work on. The club should be more inventive with pricing brackets, age concessions (young and old), mini blocks of 'season' tickets, supporters from out of town. But it's always easier to put the prices up, and hope. london paolo
  • Score: 16

11:00am Tue 2 Sep 14

port de soller says...

joey butler wrote:
So we buy this totally unproven Spurs lad for around £200k, but missed out on Nicky Ajose who scored goals for Swindon and went to Leeds for around £150k?

Can we please start a fund to buy Mr Power some new marbles, as he has totally lost his?
I send in some stupid posts like many of us do through pure frustration nothing else.
The above is toatally out of order,is clear Leeds will offer the player a lot more than stfc can afford.Then how can you comment on a Chairman who has paid ot 2-000gbp for a player
Agree in his loab period before he did not shie but guess he has matured.So by all means you have an opinion however this post was utterly crazy
[quote][p][bold]joey butler[/bold] wrote: So we buy this totally unproven Spurs lad for around £200k, but missed out on Nicky Ajose who scored goals for Swindon and went to Leeds for around £150k? Can we please start a fund to buy Mr Power some new marbles, as he has totally lost his?[/p][/quote]I send in some stupid posts like many of us do through pure frustration nothing else. The above is toatally out of order,is clear Leeds will offer the player a lot more than stfc can afford.Then how can you comment on a Chairman who has paid ot 2-000gbp for a player Agree in his loab period before he did not shie but guess he has matured.So by all means you have an opinion however this post was utterly crazy port de soller
  • Score: -2

11:03am Tue 2 Sep 14

swwindon61uk says...

Also let not forget the signing of Reeves, so 3 in and 1 outish, very good.
Also let not forget the signing of Reeves, so 3 in and 1 outish, very good. swwindon61uk
  • Score: -2

11:05am Tue 2 Sep 14

swwindon61uk says...

What i would do if i was Power is try the half season ticket at Christmas.
What i would do if i was Power is try the half season ticket at Christmas. swwindon61uk
  • Score: 12

11:09am Tue 2 Sep 14

London Red says...

Wilesy wrote:
London Red wrote:
ciclosporindorset wrote:
Where is LR the voice of reason when all around him were doubting. Come back LR all is forgiven, I hope!
Ciclo - I've been away on holiday and with a busy first day back and too much petty squabbling didn't post yesterday
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I said earlier in the summer (like I have the year before, the year before that and the one before that) that it is far to early to judge the squad in June/July when the window doesn't shut until September - yet too many still do - and surprise surprise the squad has slowly taken shape over that period and now looks great!
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Also with 2 wins, 2 draws and only 1 defeat - with some stellar football and performances in there - the start has been pretty good despite it not being completed until yesterday!
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We still have the best keeper in L1 backed up by Belford who has looked more than a reasonable understudy
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We now have Stephens, Thompson and Turnbull as the back 3 which I think will be solid and have strength in depth with Branco and Lelan as back up
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Byrne has been a revelation on the right and I think we will soon see why Smith is rated so highly at Liverpool - and these are supported by Barthram (and Thompson) but agree another wide left player would be good when the window re-opens
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The trio in the middle have been great and the fantastic deal for Louis keeps him here which makes it even better - plus they are now supported by 3 understudies in Rodgers, Reeves and Gladwin showing the strength we have there - are some still doubting Power's assessment of our midfield?
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We are also now strong up top with Smith and Obika looking different to each other so hopefully can create a partnership - with Williams, Waldon and Barker offering support behind them
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I said top 10 outside chance of PO's from day 1 - I now think that we are looking more likely to be in the PO's!
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Not sure if there are 6 better teams than us this season - 3 or 4 but not 6!
I have to say I'm amazed at how good the possession football has been this season our midfield 5 have been a revelation. Credit to the management team for improving the players. Just look how much Kasim, Byrne, Luongo, Louis, even Smith have improved in just a year or so.

With Reeves Gladwin and Rodgers some good back up which was a worry.

Now we have added Obika and Stephens that definitely gives the squad a boost both in standard and numbers. If Obika starts Williams can always go wide left.

Decent money and a good move for Louis, 7 figures v 250k next summer when his contract expires. Presumably Norwich paying the wages too?

Just one thing to be cautious about is there must be several eg Wes with contracts expiring in the summer - don't want to lost them for next to nothing so hopefully Power can address that with the same success.
We have an option on Wes - so technically he has 2 years left - Worse case is we do a "Flint" with him
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I think it is only N.Thompson and Byrne who are out of contract as Luongo was on a 3 year deal with a option for a 4th and Kasim signed a new contract last season taking him to Summer 2016 and Smith came in on a 2.5 year deal
[quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ciclosporindorset[/bold] wrote: Where is LR the voice of reason when all around him were doubting. Come back LR all is forgiven, I hope![/p][/quote]Ciclo - I've been away on holiday and with a busy first day back and too much petty squabbling didn't post yesterday . I said earlier in the summer (like I have the year before, the year before that and the one before that) that it is far to early to judge the squad in June/July when the window doesn't shut until September - yet too many still do - and surprise surprise the squad has slowly taken shape over that period and now looks great! . Also with 2 wins, 2 draws and only 1 defeat - with some stellar football and performances in there - the start has been pretty good despite it not being completed until yesterday! . We still have the best keeper in L1 backed up by Belford who has looked more than a reasonable understudy . We now have Stephens, Thompson and Turnbull as the back 3 which I think will be solid and have strength in depth with Branco and Lelan as back up . Byrne has been a revelation on the right and I think we will soon see why Smith is rated so highly at Liverpool - and these are supported by Barthram (and Thompson) but agree another wide left player would be good when the window re-opens . The trio in the middle have been great and the fantastic deal for Louis keeps him here which makes it even better - plus they are now supported by 3 understudies in Rodgers, Reeves and Gladwin showing the strength we have there - are some still doubting Power's assessment of our midfield? . We are also now strong up top with Smith and Obika looking different to each other so hopefully can create a partnership - with Williams, Waldon and Barker offering support behind them . I said top 10 outside chance of PO's from day 1 - I now think that we are looking more likely to be in the PO's! . Not sure if there are 6 better teams than us this season - 3 or 4 but not 6![/p][/quote]I have to say I'm amazed at how good the possession football has been this season our midfield 5 have been a revelation. Credit to the management team for improving the players. Just look how much Kasim, Byrne, Luongo, Louis, even Smith have improved in just a year or so. With Reeves Gladwin and Rodgers some good back up which was a worry. Now we have added Obika and Stephens that definitely gives the squad a boost both in standard and numbers. If Obika starts Williams can always go wide left. Decent money and a good move for Louis, 7 figures v 250k next summer when his contract expires. Presumably Norwich paying the wages too? Just one thing to be cautious about is there must be several eg Wes with contracts expiring in the summer - don't want to lost them for next to nothing so hopefully Power can address that with the same success.[/p][/quote]We have an option on Wes - so technically he has 2 years left - Worse case is we do a "Flint" with him . I think it is only N.Thompson and Byrne who are out of contract as Luongo was on a 3 year deal with a option for a 4th and Kasim signed a new contract last season taking him to Summer 2016 and Smith came in on a 2.5 year deal London Red
  • Score: 6

11:10am Tue 2 Sep 14

Swindon1984 says...

swwindon61uk wrote:
Well that was an excellent day's work and i think a big thank you needs to go to Lee Power, we lost "only" Louis whilst spending to get Obika and getting back Stephens,time for Power to get some support from the people oh Swindon i say, i don't think he can do no more. Now as for the debate who does Stephens replace, i will be controversial and say Thompson. Branco,Stephens and Turnball 3 big CB's is what we have looking for all season, that leaves Thompson back to RB and Byre does not deserve to be dropped.
Was thinking the same - may we be heading back to 442? Stephens and Turnbull at the back together sounds a brilliant prospect, N Thompson in his favoured right back position, B Smith left, Nathan Byrne right midfield, would just be lacking a natural left sided midfielder then.

Probably dreaming there, as I'm guessing it will stay 352 / 532. Whatever happens we CANNOT drop Byrne, not only is he a constant threat on the right, he's one of the few players we have who is genuinely tricky, pacey and exciting to watch.

As for Obika - let's start with a clean slate, didn't impress me on the first spell here as I'm sure he didn't most people, but has had a few years and a good few more games under his belt since then. If you look at his appearances in total to goals scored the return isn't great, but if you look at the ratio of goals to games started it looks a lot better. We don't know the ins and outs of how much game time he had as a sub so (optimistically) I'd would go with the latter figure. Should add something different, and looking forward to seeing how he does.

As some others have said, would be disappointing to lose Louis entirely but if it's a choice of getting him back on loan and making some cash, or losing him for far less next year anyway when he's out of contract, this looks a good bit of business.

Generally pretty pleased with the way this has panned out - kept Wes, Luongo, Smith, got Stephens now along with Turnbull at the back (both of whom look so composed - exactly the type of defenders we need when playing passing football - far less likely to play themselve into trouble than a couple we had last year) and look to have made decent gains from the sale of Louis Thompson, whilst retaining him for the rest of the campaign. Well done Power and co.
[quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: Well that was an excellent day's work and i think a big thank you needs to go to Lee Power, we lost "only" Louis whilst spending to get Obika and getting back Stephens,time for Power to get some support from the people oh Swindon i say, i don't think he can do no more. Now as for the debate who does Stephens replace, i will be controversial and say Thompson. Branco,Stephens and Turnball 3 big CB's is what we have looking for all season, that leaves Thompson back to RB and Byre does not deserve to be dropped.[/p][/quote]Was thinking the same - may we be heading back to 442? Stephens and Turnbull at the back together sounds a brilliant prospect, N Thompson in his favoured right back position, B Smith left, Nathan Byrne right midfield, would just be lacking a natural left sided midfielder then. Probably dreaming there, as I'm guessing it will stay 352 / 532. Whatever happens we CANNOT drop Byrne, not only is he a constant threat on the right, he's one of the few players we have who is genuinely tricky, pacey and exciting to watch. As for Obika - let's start with a clean slate, didn't impress me on the first spell here as I'm sure he didn't most people, but has had a few years and a good few more games under his belt since then. If you look at his appearances in total to goals scored the return isn't great, but if you look at the ratio of goals to games started it looks a lot better. We don't know the ins and outs of how much game time he had as a sub so (optimistically) I'd would go with the latter figure. Should add something different, and looking forward to seeing how he does. As some others have said, would be disappointing to lose Louis entirely but if it's a choice of getting him back on loan and making some cash, or losing him for far less next year anyway when he's out of contract, this looks a good bit of business. Generally pretty pleased with the way this has panned out - kept Wes, Luongo, Smith, got Stephens now along with Turnbull at the back (both of whom look so composed - exactly the type of defenders we need when playing passing football - far less likely to play themselve into trouble than a couple we had last year) and look to have made decent gains from the sale of Louis Thompson, whilst retaining him for the rest of the campaign. Well done Power and co. Swindon1984
  • Score: 6

11:22am Tue 2 Sep 14

the wizard says...

joey butler wrote:
So we buy this totally unproven Spurs lad for around £200k, but missed out on Nicky Ajose who scored goals for Swindon and went to Leeds for around £150k?

Can we please start a fund to buy Mr Power some new marbles, as he has totally lost his?
In fairness to JB I can see where he is coming from here. Maybe he is not as "PC" as some here but he has a point. Maybe wages are an issue, maybe lots of things, maybe Obika will play better under Cooper than Hart, but the record does to a point favour Ajose, who played well here and contributed and scored goals.

On the whole a good days business yesterday and I feel a key point is we keep Louis until the end of the season, that was very good business.
Stevens coming in until the end of January is also very reassuring, and hopefully we'll get him again after that until the end of season.

Very telling that Cooper said he wanted three in before our trip away, well we have Reeves, Stevens and Obika, but I got the impression he said that after we had already signed Reeves, so is there one more to come. Another striker to mix things up would be good and especially now that Williams has found his scoring boots again.
[quote][p][bold]joey butler[/bold] wrote: So we buy this totally unproven Spurs lad for around £200k, but missed out on Nicky Ajose who scored goals for Swindon and went to Leeds for around £150k? Can we please start a fund to buy Mr Power some new marbles, as he has totally lost his?[/p][/quote]In fairness to JB I can see where he is coming from here. Maybe he is not as "PC" as some here but he has a point. Maybe wages are an issue, maybe lots of things, maybe Obika will play better under Cooper than Hart, but the record does to a point favour Ajose, who played well here and contributed and scored goals. On the whole a good days business yesterday and I feel a key point is we keep Louis until the end of the season, that was very good business. Stevens coming in until the end of January is also very reassuring, and hopefully we'll get him again after that until the end of season. Very telling that Cooper said he wanted three in before our trip away, well we have Reeves, Stevens and Obika, but I got the impression he said that after we had already signed Reeves, so is there one more to come. Another striker to mix things up would be good and especially now that Williams has found his scoring boots again. the wizard
  • Score: 1

11:23am Tue 2 Sep 14

andy5364 says...

Swindon1984 wrote:
swwindon61uk wrote:
Well that was an excellent day's work and i think a big thank you needs to go to Lee Power, we lost "only" Louis whilst spending to get Obika and getting back Stephens,time for Power to get some support from the people oh Swindon i say, i don't think he can do no more. Now as for the debate who does Stephens replace, i will be controversial and say Thompson. Branco,Stephens and Turnball 3 big CB's is what we have looking for all season, that leaves Thompson back to RB and Byre does not deserve to be dropped.
Was thinking the same - may we be heading back to 442? Stephens and Turnbull at the back together sounds a brilliant prospect, N Thompson in his favoured right back position, B Smith left, Nathan Byrne right midfield, would just be lacking a natural left sided midfielder then.

Probably dreaming there, as I'm guessing it will stay 352 / 532. Whatever happens we CANNOT drop Byrne, not only is he a constant threat on the right, he's one of the few players we have who is genuinely tricky, pacey and exciting to watch.

As for Obika - let's start with a clean slate, didn't impress me on the first spell here as I'm sure he didn't most people, but has had a few years and a good few more games under his belt since then. If you look at his appearances in total to goals scored the return isn't great, but if you look at the ratio of goals to games started it looks a lot better. We don't know the ins and outs of how much game time he had as a sub so (optimistically) I'd would go with the latter figure. Should add something different, and looking forward to seeing how he does.

As some others have said, would be disappointing to lose Louis entirely but if it's a choice of getting him back on loan and making some cash, or losing him for far less next year anyway when he's out of contract, this looks a good bit of business.

Generally pretty pleased with the way this has panned out - kept Wes, Luongo, Smith, got Stephens now along with Turnbull at the back (both of whom look so composed - exactly the type of defenders we need when playing passing football - far less likely to play themselve into trouble than a couple we had last year) and look to have made decent gains from the sale of Louis Thompson, whilst retaining him for the rest of the campaign. Well done Power and co.
Another very good post . And hopefully most of our players will be fit again in time for our next league match . Cooper may even have some selection headaches and we wouldn't have thought that after the injury carnage against brighton lol coyr
[quote][p][bold]Swindon1984[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swwindon61uk[/bold] wrote: Well that was an excellent day's work and i think a big thank you needs to go to Lee Power, we lost "only" Louis whilst spending to get Obika and getting back Stephens,time for Power to get some support from the people oh Swindon i say, i don't think he can do no more. Now as for the debate who does Stephens replace, i will be controversial and say Thompson. Branco,Stephens and Turnball 3 big CB's is what we have looking for all season, that leaves Thompson back to RB and Byre does not deserve to be dropped.[/p][/quote]Was thinking the same - may we be heading back to 442? Stephens and Turnbull at the back together sounds a brilliant prospect, N Thompson in his favoured right back position, B Smith left, Nathan Byrne right midfield, would just be lacking a natural left sided midfielder then. Probably dreaming there, as I'm guessing it will stay 352 / 532. Whatever happens we CANNOT drop Byrne, not only is he a constant threat on the right, he's one of the few players we have who is genuinely tricky, pacey and exciting to watch. As for Obika - let's start with a clean slate, didn't impress me on the first spell here as I'm sure he didn't most people, but has had a few years and a good few more games under his belt since then. If you look at his appearances in total to goals scored the return isn't great, but if you look at the ratio of goals to games started it looks a lot better. We don't know the ins and outs of how much game time he had as a sub so (optimistically) I'd would go with the latter figure. Should add something different, and looking forward to seeing how he does. As some others have said, would be disappointing to lose Louis entirely but if it's a choice of getting him back on loan and making some cash, or losing him for far less next year anyway when he's out of contract, this looks a good bit of business. Generally pretty pleased with the way this has panned out - kept Wes, Luongo, Smith, got Stephens now along with Turnbull at the back (both of whom look so composed - exactly the type of defenders we need when playing passing football - far less likely to play themselve into trouble than a couple we had last year) and look to have made decent gains from the sale of Louis Thompson, whilst retaining him for the rest of the campaign. Well done Power and co.[/p][/quote]Another very good post . And hopefully most of our players will be fit again in time for our next league match . Cooper may even have some selection headaches and we wouldn't have thought that after the injury carnage against brighton lol coyr andy5364
  • Score: 7

11:26am Tue 2 Sep 14

london paolo says...

Did Reeves play for Brentford against us last season, and in the play-offs in 2013? I went to three of those four games but honestly cannot remember noticing him (too busy shouting at Donaldson and cheering on our team).
Did Reeves play for Brentford against us last season, and in the play-offs in 2013? I went to three of those four games but honestly cannot remember noticing him (too busy shouting at Donaldson and cheering on our team). london paolo
  • Score: 2

11:33am Tue 2 Sep 14

the don69 says...

Coops now 3/1 with some bookies for the Leeds job! do the bookies know something?????????
Coops now 3/1 with some bookies for the Leeds job! do the bookies know something????????? the don69
  • Score: 5

11:35am Tue 2 Sep 14

Oi Den! says...

the don69 wrote:
Coops now 3/1 with some bookies for the Leeds job! do the bookies know something?????????
Yes Don. They know that Terry Cooper's his dad!
[quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: Coops now 3/1 with some bookies for the Leeds job! do the bookies know something?????????[/p][/quote]Yes Don. They know that Terry Cooper's his dad! Oi Den!
  • Score: -1

11:38am Tue 2 Sep 14

the don69 says...

Oi Den! wrote:
the don69 wrote:
Coops now 3/1 with some bookies for the Leeds job! do the bookies know something?????????
Yes Don. They know that Terry Cooper's his dad!
Press conference at 12.30 Den with Stephens and Obika, I know what question will be asked first lol!!!!!!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: Coops now 3/1 with some bookies for the Leeds job! do the bookies know something?????????[/p][/quote]Yes Don. They know that Terry Cooper's his dad![/p][/quote]Press conference at 12.30 Den with Stephens and Obika, I know what question will be asked first lol!!!!!!!!!!!! the don69
  • Score: 0

11:42am Tue 2 Sep 14

6degreessouth says...

Congratulations to Louis, very well deserved. I just hope we see him playing at the highest level next season. Also congratulations to STFC for sticking with the youth policy, it's nice to see young talent coming through the ranks. Well done to LP and MC, I have a good feeling for the remainder of the season.
Congratulations to Louis, very well deserved. I just hope we see him playing at the highest level next season. Also congratulations to STFC for sticking with the youth policy, it's nice to see young talent coming through the ranks. Well done to LP and MC, I have a good feeling for the remainder of the season. 6degreessouth
  • Score: 5

11:45am Tue 2 Sep 14

Oi Den! says...

the don69 wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
the don69 wrote:
Coops now 3/1 with some bookies for the Leeds job! do the bookies know something?????????
Yes Don. They know that Terry Cooper's his dad!
Press conference at 12.30 Den with Stephens and Obika, I know what question will be asked first lol!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bad timing - the European Ryder Cup captain's picks are being announced at 12:30!
[quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: Coops now 3/1 with some bookies for the Leeds job! do the bookies know something?????????[/p][/quote]Yes Don. They know that Terry Cooper's his dad![/p][/quote]Press conference at 12.30 Den with Stephens and Obika, I know what question will be asked first lol!!!!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Bad timing - the European Ryder Cup captain's picks are being announced at 12:30! Oi Den!
  • Score: -2

11:50am Tue 2 Sep 14

the don69 says...

Oi Den! wrote:
the don69 wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
the don69 wrote:
Coops now 3/1 with some bookies for the Leeds job! do the bookies know something?????????
Yes Don. They know that Terry Cooper's his dad!
Press conference at 12.30 Den with Stephens and Obika, I know what question will be asked first lol!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bad timing - the European Ryder Cup captain's picks are being announced at 12:30!
Poulter, Westwood and Donald, Gallacher might be very unlucky to miss out and Coops to stay at the Town! lol!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the don69[/bold] wrote: Coops now 3/1 with some bookies for the Leeds job! do the bookies know something?????????[/p][/quote]Yes Don. They know that Terry Cooper's his dad![/p][/quote]Press conference at 12.30 Den with Stephens and Obika, I know what question will be asked first lol!!!!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Bad timing - the European Ryder Cup captain's picks are being announced at 12:30![/p][/quote]Poulter, Westwood and Donald, Gallacher might be very unlucky to miss out and Coops to stay at the Town! lol!!!!! the don69
  • Score: -2

11:53am Tue 2 Sep 14

dreamofacleansheet2 says...

Cooper will not go to Leeds after the way they ditched his mate Dave Hockaday. He may go somewhere else but not there. Relax people take the positives it's all good....
Cooper will not go to Leeds after the way they ditched his mate Dave Hockaday. He may go somewhere else but not there. Relax people take the positives it's all good.... dreamofacleansheet2
  • Score: 4

11:57am Tue 2 Sep 14

Oi Den! says...

Don, I reckon Gallacher's done enough to get a pick and the fact that he's local to Gleneagles will help. Donald to miss out IMO. Sorry everyone - just a brief digression. I can't see Leeds going for Cooper after the furore over Hockaday's appointment. He'd be seen as another unknown, despite the family connection.
Don, I reckon Gallacher's done enough to get a pick and the fact that he's local to Gleneagles will help. Donald to miss out IMO. Sorry everyone - just a brief digression. I can't see Leeds going for Cooper after the furore over Hockaday's appointment. He'd be seen as another unknown, despite the family connection. Oi Den!
  • Score: -6

12:33pm Tue 2 Sep 14

stutest says...

the wizard wrote:
joey butler wrote:
So we buy this totally unproven Spurs lad for around £200k, but missed out on Nicky Ajose who scored goals for Swindon and went to Leeds for around £150k?

Can we please start a fund to buy Mr Power some new marbles, as he has totally lost his?
In fairness to JB I can see where he is coming from here. Maybe he is not as "PC" as some here but he has a point. Maybe wages are an issue, maybe lots of things, maybe Obika will play better under Cooper than Hart, but the record does to a point favour Ajose, who played well here and contributed and scored goals.

On the whole a good days business yesterday and I feel a key point is we keep Louis until the end of the season, that was very good business.
Stevens coming in until the end of January is also very reassuring, and hopefully we'll get him again after that until the end of season.

Very telling that Cooper said he wanted three in before our trip away, well we have Reeves, Stevens and Obika, but I got the impression he said that after we had already signed Reeves, so is there one more to come. Another striker to mix things up would be good and especially now that Williams has found his scoring boots again.
I suspect that the Obika deal was financed by the Thompson money which was not available when Ajose went to Leeds.

I wasn't too impressed by Obika first time round, but that was three years ago, give the boy a break.
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]joey butler[/bold] wrote: So we buy this totally unproven Spurs lad for around £200k, but missed out on Nicky Ajose who scored goals for Swindon and went to Leeds for around £150k? Can we please start a fund to buy Mr Power some new marbles, as he has totally lost his?[/p][/quote]In fairness to JB I can see where he is coming from here. Maybe he is not as "PC" as some here but he has a point. Maybe wages are an issue, maybe lots of things, maybe Obika will play better under Cooper than Hart, but the record does to a point favour Ajose, who played well here and contributed and scored goals. On the whole a good days business yesterday and I feel a key point is we keep Louis until the end of the season, that was very good business. Stevens coming in until the end of January is also very reassuring, and hopefully we'll get him again after that until the end of season. Very telling that Cooper said he wanted three in before our trip away, well we have Reeves, Stevens and Obika, but I got the impression he said that after we had already signed Reeves, so is there one more to come. Another striker to mix things up would be good and especially now that Williams has found his scoring boots again.[/p][/quote]I suspect that the Obika deal was financed by the Thompson money which was not available when Ajose went to Leeds. I wasn't too impressed by Obika first time round, but that was three years ago, give the boy a break. stutest
  • Score: 4

12:35pm Tue 2 Sep 14

Another view says...

London Paolo's thoughts on ticket prices are well worth considering.

It might seem a bit churlish talking about prices when our chairman has done another wonderful job on deadline day. Another 1,000 on the gates, with a real buzz in the stands, would give the players such a boost in their efforts to reach the play-offs.

With a fair wind there's no reason why these players should not at least be aiming for automatic promotion.
London Paolo's thoughts on ticket prices are well worth considering. It might seem a bit churlish talking about prices when our chairman has done another wonderful job on deadline day. Another 1,000 on the gates, with a real buzz in the stands, would give the players such a boost in their efforts to reach the play-offs. With a fair wind there's no reason why these players should not at least be aiming for automatic promotion. Another view
  • Score: 2

12:38pm Tue 2 Sep 14

Wilesy says...

the wizard wrote:
joey butler wrote:
So we buy this totally unproven Spurs lad for around £200k, but missed out on Nicky Ajose who scored goals for Swindon and went to Leeds for around £150k?

Can we please start a fund to buy Mr Power some new marbles, as he has totally lost his?
In fairness to JB I can see where he is coming from here. Maybe he is not as "PC" as some here but he has a point. Maybe wages are an issue, maybe lots of things, maybe Obika will play better under Cooper than Hart, but the record does to a point favour Ajose, who played well here and contributed and scored goals.

On the whole a good days business yesterday and I feel a key point is we keep Louis until the end of the season, that was very good business.
Stevens coming in until the end of January is also very reassuring, and hopefully we'll get him again after that until the end of season.

Very telling that Cooper said he wanted three in before our trip away, well we have Reeves, Stevens and Obika, but I got the impression he said that after we had already signed Reeves, so is there one more to come. Another striker to mix things up would be good and especially now that Williams has found his scoring boots again.
Could be wrong but I thought Obika originally played at the end of the Wilson era alongside Dossevi rather than the Hart era. It was Grella and Andrew in the Hart era. Either way it was the worst I've seen Swindon play in years. Simply can't compare him now to then before he's even kicked a ball.

Nicky Ajose wages surely the problem or he would be have been considered.

Don't think we need another striker we have Smith Williams Obika and Waldron and Gladwin has been playing there as well.
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]joey butler[/bold] wrote: So we buy this totally unproven Spurs lad for around £200k, but missed out on Nicky Ajose who scored goals for Swindon and went to Leeds for around £150k? Can we please start a fund to buy Mr Power some new marbles, as he has totally lost his?[/p][/quote]In fairness to JB I can see where he is coming from here. Maybe he is not as "PC" as some here but he has a point. Maybe wages are an issue, maybe lots of things, maybe Obika will play better under Cooper than Hart, but the record does to a point favour Ajose, who played well here and contributed and scored goals. On the whole a good days business yesterday and I feel a key point is we keep Louis until the end of the season, that was very good business. Stevens coming in until the end of January is also very reassuring, and hopefully we'll get him again after that until the end of season. Very telling that Cooper said he wanted three in before our trip away, well we have Reeves, Stevens and Obika, but I got the impression he said that after we had already signed Reeves, so is there one more to come. Another striker to mix things up would be good and especially now that Williams has found his scoring boots again.[/p][/quote]Could be wrong but I thought Obika originally played at the end of the Wilson era alongside Dossevi rather than the Hart era. It was Grella and Andrew in the Hart era. Either way it was the worst I've seen Swindon play in years. Simply can't compare him now to then before he's even kicked a ball. Nicky Ajose wages surely the problem or he would be have been considered. Don't think we need another striker we have Smith Williams Obika and Waldron and Gladwin has been playing there as well. Wilesy
  • Score: 1

12:38pm Tue 2 Sep 14

stutest says...

port de soller wrote:
joey butler wrote:
So we buy this totally unproven Spurs lad for around £200k, but missed out on Nicky Ajose who scored goals for Swindon and went to Leeds for around £150k?

Can we please start a fund to buy Mr Power some new marbles, as he has totally lost his?
I send in some stupid posts like many of us do through pure frustration nothing else.
The above is toatally out of order,is clear Leeds will offer the player a lot more than stfc can afford.Then how can you comment on a Chairman who has paid ot 2-000gbp for a player
Agree in his loab period before he did not shie but guess he has matured.So by all means you have an opinion however this post was utterly crazy
I suspect that the Obika deal was financed by the Thompson money which we didn't have when Ajose went to Leeds.

I wasn't convinced by Obika in his first spell here but that was three years ago. The staff here have shown that they can improve players , Smith has looked much better so far this season, so Give Obika a break, he's one of us now.
[quote][p][bold]port de soller[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]joey butler[/bold] wrote: So we buy this totally unproven Spurs lad for around £200k, but missed out on Nicky Ajose who scored goals for Swindon and went to Leeds for around £150k? Can we please start a fund to buy Mr Power some new marbles, as he has totally lost his?[/p][/quote]I send in some stupid posts like many of us do through pure frustration nothing else. The above is toatally out of order,is clear Leeds will offer the player a lot more than stfc can afford.Then how can you comment on a Chairman who has paid ot 2-000gbp for a player Agree in his loab period before he did not shie but guess he has matured.So by all means you have an opinion however this post was utterly crazy[/p][/quote]I suspect that the Obika deal was financed by the Thompson money which we didn't have when Ajose went to Leeds. I wasn't convinced by Obika in his first spell here but that was three years ago. The staff here have shown that they can improve players , Smith has looked much better so far this season, so Give Obika a break, he's one of us now. stutest
  • Score: 5

12:40pm Tue 2 Sep 14

TheDukeOfBanbury says...

I wonder if Jed sold his yellow 3 wheeler before the deadline.

Let's hope yesterday convinces our stay away fans that Power is doing business in the interests of the football club.
Gets too much stick if you ask me.

Easy to criticise and hard to imagine the pain he was going through during the pre-season court hearings.
Just imagine Jed yesterday ? Hate to think of out-going signings with a promise of Messi at the end of the season coming in.

In Power and Super Cooper I trust.
Feel confident this season making a play off challenge.

Well done the Club yesterday and thank you from an appreciative supporter.
Finally a big congrats to Louis........You deserve it Son for being a model pro and a decent young Man. Great role model for kids particularly from my eldest who thinks you're great.
I wonder if Jed sold his yellow 3 wheeler before the deadline. Let's hope yesterday convinces our stay away fans that Power is doing business in the interests of the football club. Gets too much stick if you ask me. Easy to criticise and hard to imagine the pain he was going through during the pre-season court hearings. Just imagine Jed yesterday ? Hate to think of out-going signings with a promise of Messi at the end of the season coming in. In Power and Super Cooper I trust. Feel confident this season making a play off challenge. Well done the Club yesterday and thank you from an appreciative supporter. Finally a big congrats to Louis........You deserve it Son for being a model pro and a decent young Man. Great role model for kids particularly from my eldest who thinks you're great. TheDukeOfBanbury
  • Score: 11

12:47pm Tue 2 Sep 14

Cleuso says...

london paolo wrote:
Pricing is a tricky one, especially for the marginal/matchday tickets.

As a business, how well do you know the price elasticity of demand (i.e responsiveness to price changes) from your customers?

FOR EXAMPLE, you sell 1,000 tickets at £25 - takings are £25,000
You drop the price to £20 , and sell 1,500 tickets - takings are £30,000
Increase the price to £30, but only sell 700 tickets - takings are £21,000

All that should matter to the club is the net overall take at the end of the day. And for atmosphere, surely more fans (paying less) is better than fewer fans (paying more)?

Now I've no idea how much rising ticket prices explain the declining attendances at SN1 (that's The County Ground, Adver), although we are among the most expensive in L1. It's not easy to measure and then decide how sensitive your customers are to price. You can try and do research but often the only way is to suck it and see, or go on gut feel.

I'm not really part of the sample group to judge things on. Coming from London, with Tube across London, petrol, parking, pub lunch, ticket, the total cost per game can be as much as £75 and 9-10 hours out of the day. £20 or £27 as a percentage of the total cost doesn't make that much difference. It's the local market in Wiltshire that matters. Does £20 versus £27 make a difference to them? Maybe to younger people with less disposable income it does, and it's the next generation of fans the club needs to work on.

The club should be more inventive with pricing brackets, age concessions (young and old), mini blocks of 'season' tickets, supporters from out of town. But it's always easier to put the prices up, and hope.
But why oh why do examples like this always focus on the most expensive ???

The more those figures are circulated, the more believe, it is the only way to watch the football. It's not, you don't have to pay the highest price to support the club all the time .

This season season ticket holders pay
Adults £ 15 per match
Young adults 16-18 £11.50
Juniors 10-15 £ 5.50
Under 10's FREE !

Matchday prices town end admittedly
Adults £18-20
Young adults £14-16
Juniors £10-12
Under 10's FREE ! *Red club site for full detail on this

So it's not all the £27 that some continue to state as if it is the only take it or leave it price.

I accept if you live outside the town there are other costs to consider, but that is a fact of life you can't get away from.

The town end as the cheapest has been sparsely populated this season, but accept the facilities aren't quite what they are from the sides, but many will still have started their supporting life in there over the years and no reason why it shouldn't be like that again today.
[quote][p][bold]london paolo[/bold] wrote: Pricing is a tricky one, especially for the marginal/matchday tickets. As a business, how well do you know the price elasticity of demand (i.e responsiveness to price changes) from your customers? FOR EXAMPLE, you sell 1,000 tickets at £25 - takings are £25,000 You drop the price to £20 , and sell 1,500 tickets - takings are £30,000 Increase the price to £30, but only sell 700 tickets - takings are £21,000 All that should matter to the club is the net overall take at the end of the day. And for atmosphere, surely more fans (paying less) is better than fewer fans (paying more)? Now I've no idea how much rising ticket prices explain the declining attendances at SN1 (that's The County Ground, Adver), although we are among the most expensive in L1. It's not easy to measure and then decide how sensitive your customers are to price. You can try and do research but often the only way is to suck it and see, or go on gut feel. I'm not really part of the sample group to judge things on. Coming from London, with Tube across London, petrol, parking, pub lunch, ticket, the total cost per game can be as much as £75 and 9-10 hours out of the day. £20 or £27 as a percentage of the total cost doesn't make that much difference. It's the local market in Wiltshire that matters. Does £20 versus £27 make a difference to them? Maybe to younger people with less disposable income it does, and it's the next generation of fans the club needs to work on. The club should be more inventive with pricing brackets, age concessions (young and old), mini blocks of 'season' tickets, supporters from out of town. But it's always easier to put the prices up, and hope.[/p][/quote]But why oh why do examples like this always focus on the most expensive ??? The more those figures are circulated, the more believe, it is the only way to watch the football. It's not, you don't have to pay the highest price to support the club all the time . This season season ticket holders pay Adults £ 15 per match Young adults 16-18 £11.50 Juniors 10-15 £ 5.50 Under 10's FREE ! Matchday prices town end admittedly Adults £18-20 Young adults £14-16 Juniors £10-12 Under 10's FREE ! *Red club site for full detail on this So it's not all the £27 that some continue to state as if it is the only take it or leave it price. I accept if you live outside the town there are other costs to consider, but that is a fact of life you can't get away from. The town end as the cheapest has been sparsely populated this season, but accept the facilities aren't quite what they are from the sides, but many will still have started their supporting life in there over the years and no reason why it shouldn't be like that again today. Cleuso
  • Score: 0

12:55pm Tue 2 Sep 14

smirg kcab says...

avo wrote:
Jack Stephens is back smirg. Happy days
My flip flops have been blown off,
Humble pie again?
A great day considering, didn't want mr attitude tho, but still an extra player is better than none
[quote][p][bold]avo[/bold] wrote: Jack Stephens is back smirg. Happy days[/p][/quote]My flip flops have been blown off, Humble pie again? A great day considering, didn't want mr attitude tho, but still an extra player is better than none smirg kcab
  • Score: 0

1:00pm Tue 2 Sep 14

swwindon61uk says...

As for goal records in games: 66 plus 56 sub appearances 23 goals.
Lit of sub appearances there and to me this record is not to bad considering the sub appearances.
Miles Storey is 17 plus 27 sub appearences 4 goals.
This is league games.
As for goal records in games: 66 plus 56 sub appearances 23 goals. Lit of sub appearances there and to me this record is not to bad considering the sub appearances. Miles Storey is 17 plus 27 sub appearences 4 goals. This is league games. swwindon61uk
  • Score: 0

1:04pm Tue 2 Sep 14

london paolo says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Don, I reckon Gallacher's done enough to get a pick and the fact that he's local to Gleneagles will help. Donald to miss out IMO. Sorry everyone - just a brief digression. I can't see Leeds going for Cooper after the furore over Hockaday's appointment. He'd be seen as another unknown, despite the family connection.
You called that one right Den. European team without Donald, recently world #1, does look a bit odd. Does the overall team reflect the tournaments players choose to play (or not play) rather than who the best 12 players are?
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Don, I reckon Gallacher's done enough to get a pick and the fact that he's local to Gleneagles will help. Donald to miss out IMO. Sorry everyone - just a brief digression. I can't see Leeds going for Cooper after the furore over Hockaday's appointment. He'd be seen as another unknown, despite the family connection.[/p][/quote]You called that one right Den. European team without Donald, recently world #1, does look a bit odd. Does the overall team reflect the tournaments players choose to play (or not play) rather than who the best 12 players are? london paolo
  • Score: -5

1:10pm Tue 2 Sep 14

smirg kcab says...

Free coaches for the Bradford game along with the tickets.
It's all happy down under
Flip flops blown off, shame it's from a RPG
Free coaches for the Bradford game along with the tickets. It's all happy down under Flip flops blown off, shame it's from a RPG smirg kcab
  • Score: -4

1:20pm Tue 2 Sep 14

the don69 says...

london paolo wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Don, I reckon Gallacher's done enough to get a pick and the fact that he's local to Gleneagles will help. Donald to miss out IMO. Sorry everyone - just a brief digression. I can't see Leeds going for Cooper after the furore over Hockaday's appointment. He'd be seen as another unknown, despite the family connection.
You called that one right Den. European team without Donald, recently world #1, does look a bit odd. Does the overall team reflect the tournaments players choose to play (or not play) rather than who the best 12 players are?
Yep Den was spot on! Donald's played in 4 ryder cups and we won all four, pressure on Gallacher to do well, Pleased Louis is staying with us this season! might be a shame for him if Norwich get relegated and we go up, then we beat them lol!!!!!!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]london paolo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Don, I reckon Gallacher's done enough to get a pick and the fact that he's local to Gleneagles will help. Donald to miss out IMO. Sorry everyone - just a brief digression. I can't see Leeds going for Cooper after the furore over Hockaday's appointment. He'd be seen as another unknown, despite the family connection.[/p][/quote]You called that one right Den. European team without Donald, recently world #1, does look a bit odd. Does the overall team reflect the tournaments players choose to play (or not play) rather than who the best 12 players are?[/p][/quote]Yep Den was spot on! Donald's played in 4 ryder cups and we won all four, pressure on Gallacher to do well, Pleased Louis is staying with us this season! might be a shame for him if Norwich get relegated and we go up, then we beat them lol!!!!!!!!!!!! the don69
  • Score: -6

1:23pm Tue 2 Sep 14

the wizard says...

stutest wrote:
port de soller wrote:
joey butler wrote:
So we buy this totally unproven Spurs lad for around £200k, but missed out on Nicky Ajose who scored goals for Swindon and went to Leeds for around £150k?

Can we please start a fund to buy Mr Power some new marbles, as he has totally lost his?
I send in some stupid posts like many of us do through pure frustration nothing else.
The above is toatally out of order,is clear Leeds will offer the player a lot more than stfc can afford.Then how can you comment on a Chairman who has paid ot 2-000gbp for a player
Agree in his loab period before he did not shie but guess he has matured.So by all means you have an opinion however this post was utterly crazy
I suspect that the Obika deal was financed by the Thompson money which we didn't have when Ajose went to Leeds.

I wasn't convinced by Obika in his first spell here but that was three years ago. The staff here have shown that they can improve players , Smith has looked much better so far this season, so Give Obika a break, he's one of us now.
Yes, while now Obika is a Town player and probably under better coaching staff than most of his other clubs while on loan I expect a fair goal tally to reflect our faith in him as a club. I did say yesterday that 15-20 goals in the remainder of this season would be a fair haul.
Given the chances we are creating I think that is fair. I would also look at his lay off for others, creation of chances and goal assists as part of that bigger picture,l is in no way am I writing him off, but as a striker now for his own club I think it only fair for him to focus. I think that is fair, and I will gladly be the first to say "well done".
[quote][p][bold]stutest[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]port de soller[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]joey butler[/bold] wrote: So we buy this totally unproven Spurs lad for around £200k, but missed out on Nicky Ajose who scored goals for Swindon and went to Leeds for around £150k? Can we please start a fund to buy Mr Power some new marbles, as he has totally lost his?[/p][/quote]I send in some stupid posts like many of us do through pure frustration nothing else. The above is toatally out of order,is clear Leeds will offer the player a lot more than stfc can afford.Then how can you comment on a Chairman who has paid ot 2-000gbp for a player Agree in his loab period before he did not shie but guess he has matured.So by all means you have an opinion however this post was utterly crazy[/p][/quote]I suspect that the Obika deal was financed by the Thompson money which we didn't have when Ajose went to Leeds. I wasn't convinced by Obika in his first spell here but that was three years ago. The staff here have shown that they can improve players , Smith has looked much better so far this season, so Give Obika a break, he's one of us now.[/p][/quote]Yes, while now Obika is a Town player and probably under better coaching staff than most of his other clubs while on loan I expect a fair goal tally to reflect our faith in him as a club. I did say yesterday that 15-20 goals in the remainder of this season would be a fair haul. Given the chances we are creating I think that is fair. I would also look at his lay off for others, creation of chances and goal assists as part of that bigger picture,l is in no way am I writing him off, but as a striker now for his own club I think it only fair for him to focus. I think that is fair, and I will gladly be the first to say "well done". the wizard
  • Score: -2

1:27pm Tue 2 Sep 14

London Red says...

Cleuso wrote:
london paolo wrote:
Pricing is a tricky one, especially for the marginal/matchday tickets.

As a business, how well do you know the price elasticity of demand (i.e responsiveness to price changes) from your customers?

FOR EXAMPLE, you sell 1,000 tickets at £25 - takings are £25,000
You drop the price to £20 , and sell 1,500 tickets - takings are £30,000
Increase the price to £30, but only sell 700 tickets - takings are £21,000

All that should matter to the club is the net overall take at the end of the day. And for atmosphere, surely more fans (paying less) is better than fewer fans (paying more)?

Now I've no idea how much rising ticket prices explain the declining attendances at SN1 (that's The County Ground, Adver), although we are among the most expensive in L1. It's not easy to measure and then decide how sensitive your customers are to price. You can try and do research but often the only way is to suck it and see, or go on gut feel.

I'm not really part of the sample group to judge things on. Coming from London, with Tube across London, petrol, parking, pub lunch, ticket, the total cost per game can be as much as £75 and 9-10 hours out of the day. £20 or £27 as a percentage of the total cost doesn't make that much difference. It's the local market in Wiltshire that matters. Does £20 versus £27 make a difference to them? Maybe to younger people with less disposable income it does, and it's the next generation of fans the club needs to work on.

The club should be more inventive with pricing brackets, age concessions (young and old), mini blocks of 'season' tickets, supporters from out of town. But it's always easier to put the prices up, and hope.
But why oh why do examples like this always focus on the most expensive ???

The more those figures are circulated, the more believe, it is the only way to watch the football. It's not, you don't have to pay the highest price to support the club all the time .

This season season ticket holders pay
Adults £ 15 per match
Young adults 16-18 £11.50
Juniors 10-15 £ 5.50
Under 10's FREE !

Matchday prices town end admittedly
Adults £18-20
Young adults £14-16
Juniors £10-12
Under 10's FREE ! *Red club site for full detail on this

So it's not all the £27 that some continue to state as if it is the only take it or leave it price.

I accept if you live outside the town there are other costs to consider, but that is a fact of life you can't get away from.

The town end as the cheapest has been sparsely populated this season, but accept the facilities aren't quite what they are from the sides, but many will still have started their supporting life in there over the years and no reason why it shouldn't be like that again today.
Also the £27 only applies to the 5(?) Gold games this season
.
There are also 5(?) Bronze Games at £23!
.
So if you went to those 10 you would only pay the Silver £25 price
.
Anyway I would have thought that the number of games that have been at £20, £15 or even £10 over the past few years would show that football is not as elastic as some think it is!
.
I can't be asked to go back and look again - but know I did a lot of analysis on them before and it showed we LOST money on every game where prices were cut as the extra through the door was not enough to cover the loss per ticket on regular match day ones sold
.
If match day prices were slashed to £20 and £15 (TE) the gates would not suddenly go up by 1000+
.
We may be lucky to get 250-500 extra in!
.
The results are the main driver and if we continue to do well this season the gates will creep back up to the norm of 8,500 we have seen over the past 5 years or so
.
The only way they will break 10,000 is by going up - mainly due to away fans becoming 2,000-3,000 each week rather than sub 500 for most games - but also as casual fans will turn up more to see the more glamor ties like Forest, Derby, Leeds, Wolves, Birmingham, Norwich, Cardiff et al
.
I don't get why the 1,000 have disappeared this season - I have never seen a lack of ambition by Power - but hopefully now the window has shut and the Crown Jewels are still here and we added quality to the squad they might be convinced to return
.
Sheffield and Preston should boost the gates anyway as two of the Gold games - but hopefully a performance and result like last year might convince the extras to return for Rochdale and Colchester
[quote][p][bold]Cleuso[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]london paolo[/bold] wrote: Pricing is a tricky one, especially for the marginal/matchday tickets. As a business, how well do you know the price elasticity of demand (i.e responsiveness to price changes) from your customers? FOR EXAMPLE, you sell 1,000 tickets at £25 - takings are £25,000 You drop the price to £20 , and sell 1,500 tickets - takings are £30,000 Increase the price to £30, but only sell 700 tickets - takings are £21,000 All that should matter to the club is the net overall take at the end of the day. And for atmosphere, surely more fans (paying less) is better than fewer fans (paying more)? Now I've no idea how much rising ticket prices explain the declining attendances at SN1 (that's The County Ground, Adver), although we are among the most expensive in L1. It's not easy to measure and then decide how sensitive your customers are to price. You can try and do research but often the only way is to suck it and see, or go on gut feel. I'm not really part of the sample group to judge things on. Coming from London, with Tube across London, petrol, parking, pub lunch, ticket, the total cost per game can be as much as £75 and 9-10 hours out of the day. £20 or £27 as a percentage of the total cost doesn't make that much difference. It's the local market in Wiltshire that matters. Does £20 versus £27 make a difference to them? Maybe to younger people with less disposable income it does, and it's the next generation of fans the club needs to work on. The club should be more inventive with pricing brackets, age concessions (young and old), mini blocks of 'season' tickets, supporters from out of town. But it's always easier to put the prices up, and hope.[/p][/quote]But why oh why do examples like this always focus on the most expensive ??? The more those figures are circulated, the more believe, it is the only way to watch the football. It's not, you don't have to pay the highest price to support the club all the time . This season season ticket holders pay Adults £ 15 per match Young adults 16-18 £11.50 Juniors 10-15 £ 5.50 Under 10's FREE ! Matchday prices town end admittedly Adults £18-20 Young adults £14-16 Juniors £10-12 Under 10's FREE ! *Red club site for full detail on this So it's not all the £27 that some continue to state as if it is the only take it or leave it price. I accept if you live outside the town there are other costs to consider, but that is a fact of life you can't get away from. The town end as the cheapest has been sparsely populated this season, but accept the facilities aren't quite what they are from the sides, but many will still have started their supporting life in there over the years and no reason why it shouldn't be like that again today.[/p][/quote]Also the £27 only applies to the 5(?) Gold games this season . There are also 5(?) Bronze Games at £23! . So if you went to those 10 you would only pay the Silver £25 price . Anyway I would have thought that the number of games that have been at £20, £15 or even £10 over the past few years would show that football is not as elastic as some think it is! . I can't be asked to go back and look again - but know I did a lot of analysis on them before and it showed we LOST money on every game where prices were cut as the extra through the door was not enough to cover the loss per ticket on regular match day ones sold . If match day prices were slashed to £20 and £15 (TE) the gates would not suddenly go up by 1000+ . We may be lucky to get 250-500 extra in! . The results are the main driver and if we continue to do well this season the gates will creep back up to the norm of 8,500 we have seen over the past 5 years or so . The only way they will break 10,000 is by going up - mainly due to away fans becoming 2,000-3,000 each week rather than sub 500 for most games - but also as casual fans will turn up more to see the more glamor ties like Forest, Derby, Leeds, Wolves, Birmingham, Norwich, Cardiff et al . I don't get why the 1,000 have disappeared this season - I have never seen a lack of ambition by Power - but hopefully now the window has shut and the Crown Jewels are still here and we added quality to the squad they might be convinced to return . Sheffield and Preston should boost the gates anyway as two of the Gold games - but hopefully a performance and result like last year might convince the extras to return for Rochdale and Colchester London Red
  • Score: 4

1:33pm Tue 2 Sep 14

London Red says...

Wilesy wrote:
the wizard wrote:
joey butler wrote:
So we buy this totally unproven Spurs lad for around £200k, but missed out on Nicky Ajose who scored goals for Swindon and went to Leeds for around £150k?

Can we please start a fund to buy Mr Power some new marbles, as he has totally lost his?
In fairness to JB I can see where he is coming from here. Maybe he is not as "PC" as some here but he has a point. Maybe wages are an issue, maybe lots of things, maybe Obika will play better under Cooper than Hart, but the record does to a point favour Ajose, who played well here and contributed and scored goals.

On the whole a good days business yesterday and I feel a key point is we keep Louis until the end of the season, that was very good business.
Stevens coming in until the end of January is also very reassuring, and hopefully we'll get him again after that until the end of season.

Very telling that Cooper said he wanted three in before our trip away, well we have Reeves, Stevens and Obika, but I got the impression he said that after we had already signed Reeves, so is there one more to come. Another striker to mix things up would be good and especially now that Williams has found his scoring boots again.
Could be wrong but I thought Obika originally played at the end of the Wilson era alongside Dossevi rather than the Hart era. It was Grella and Andrew in the Hart era. Either way it was the worst I've seen Swindon play in years. Simply can't compare him now to then before he's even kicked a ball.

Nicky Ajose wages surely the problem or he would be have been considered.

Don't think we need another striker we have Smith Williams Obika and Waldron and Gladwin has been playing there as well.
Think Obika like Grella was signed by Wilson and both sent packing by Hart
.
Loanees don't always settle for a number of reasons - but having the manager who signed you go has to be a massive factor in unsettling you
.
Then we had the change in formation and style to 451 and Obika had no chance really
.
I can't believe some will hold a 5 game loan spell in 2011 against him - when he was part of the worst Swindon squad I have ever seen!
.
Its not even a 5 game spell it was 1 game or 1 non run that seems to be an issue
.
There were far worse culprits than him that season!
[quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]joey butler[/bold] wrote: So we buy this totally unproven Spurs lad for around £200k, but missed out on Nicky Ajose who scored goals for Swindon and went to Leeds for around £150k? Can we please start a fund to buy Mr Power some new marbles, as he has totally lost his?[/p][/quote]In fairness to JB I can see where he is coming from here. Maybe he is not as "PC" as some here but he has a point. Maybe wages are an issue, maybe lots of things, maybe Obika will play better under Cooper than Hart, but the record does to a point favour Ajose, who played well here and contributed and scored goals. On the whole a good days business yesterday and I feel a key point is we keep Louis until the end of the season, that was very good business. Stevens coming in until the end of January is also very reassuring, and hopefully we'll get him again after that until the end of season. Very telling that Cooper said he wanted three in before our trip away, well we have Reeves, Stevens and Obika, but I got the impression he said that after we had already signed Reeves, so is there one more to come. Another striker to mix things up would be good and especially now that Williams has found his scoring boots again.[/p][/quote]Could be wrong but I thought Obika originally played at the end of the Wilson era alongside Dossevi rather than the Hart era. It was Grella and Andrew in the Hart era. Either way it was the worst I've seen Swindon play in years. Simply can't compare him now to then before he's even kicked a ball. Nicky Ajose wages surely the problem or he would be have been considered. Don't think we need another striker we have Smith Williams Obika and Waldron and Gladwin has been playing there as well.[/p][/quote]Think Obika like Grella was signed by Wilson and both sent packing by Hart . Loanees don't always settle for a number of reasons - but having the manager who signed you go has to be a massive factor in unsettling you . Then we had the change in formation and style to 451 and Obika had no chance really . I can't believe some will hold a 5 game loan spell in 2011 against him - when he was part of the worst Swindon squad I have ever seen! . Its not even a 5 game spell it was 1 game or 1 non run that seems to be an issue . There were far worse culprits than him that season! London Red
  • Score: 6

1:40pm Tue 2 Sep 14

the wizard says...

There were far worse culprits than him that season,

Prutton, Douglas, Shehan ?
There were far worse culprits than him that season, Prutton, Douglas, Shehan ? the wizard
  • Score: 6

1:51pm Tue 2 Sep 14

Oi Den! says...

london paolo wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Don, I reckon Gallacher's done enough to get a pick and the fact that he's local to Gleneagles will help. Donald to miss out IMO. Sorry everyone - just a brief digression. I can't see Leeds going for Cooper after the furore over Hockaday's appointment. He'd be seen as another unknown, despite the family connection.
You called that one right Den. European team without Donald, recently world #1, does look a bit odd. Does the overall team reflect the tournaments players choose to play (or not play) rather than who the best 12 players are?
The qualification process is a bit complicated. There are 9 automatic qualifiers. The first 4 are the top 4 Europeans on the European points list. The other 5 are the top 5 from the world points list, not already qualified through the European list. The captain then has 3 "wildcard" picks to make up the 12. Westwood, Donald and Poulter didn't do enough to play their way into the team. Gallagher almost made it on Sunday. He needed to finish second in Italy to get the necessary points but ended up third, squeezed out by a great performance from our own David Howell. Hope that all makes sense. No more golf on here from me - promise!
[quote][p][bold]london paolo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Don, I reckon Gallacher's done enough to get a pick and the fact that he's local to Gleneagles will help. Donald to miss out IMO. Sorry everyone - just a brief digression. I can't see Leeds going for Cooper after the furore over Hockaday's appointment. He'd be seen as another unknown, despite the family connection.[/p][/quote]You called that one right Den. European team without Donald, recently world #1, does look a bit odd. Does the overall team reflect the tournaments players choose to play (or not play) rather than who the best 12 players are?[/p][/quote]The qualification process is a bit complicated. There are 9 automatic qualifiers. The first 4 are the top 4 Europeans on the European points list. The other 5 are the top 5 from the world points list, not already qualified through the European list. The captain then has 3 "wildcard" picks to make up the 12. Westwood, Donald and Poulter didn't do enough to play their way into the team. Gallagher almost made it on Sunday. He needed to finish second in Italy to get the necessary points but ended up third, squeezed out by a great performance from our own David Howell. Hope that all makes sense. No more golf on here from me - promise! Oi Den!
  • Score: -5

1:56pm Tue 2 Sep 14

Chish and Fips says...

Oi Den! wrote:
london paolo wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Don, I reckon Gallacher's done enough to get a pick and the fact that he's local to Gleneagles will help. Donald to miss out IMO. Sorry everyone - just a brief digression. I can't see Leeds going for Cooper after the furore over Hockaday's appointment. He'd be seen as another unknown, despite the family connection.
You called that one right Den. European team without Donald, recently world #1, does look a bit odd. Does the overall team reflect the tournaments players choose to play (or not play) rather than who the best 12 players are?
The qualification process is a bit complicated. There are 9 automatic qualifiers. The first 4 are the top 4 Europeans on the European points list. The other 5 are the top 5 from the world points list, not already qualified through the European list. The captain then has 3 "wildcard" picks to make up the 12. Westwood, Donald and Poulter didn't do enough to play their way into the team. Gallagher almost made it on Sunday. He needed to finish second in Italy to get the necessary points but ended up third, squeezed out by a great performance from our own David Howell. Hope that all makes sense. No more golf on here from me - promise!
Golf... An awful way to spoil a beautiful walk... Sorry folks absolutely bores me to tears... Each to their own though... :0)
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]london paolo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Don, I reckon Gallacher's done enough to get a pick and the fact that he's local to Gleneagles will help. Donald to miss out IMO. Sorry everyone - just a brief digression. I can't see Leeds going for Cooper after the furore over Hockaday's appointment. He'd be seen as another unknown, despite the family connection.[/p][/quote]You called that one right Den. European team without Donald, recently world #1, does look a bit odd. Does the overall team reflect the tournaments players choose to play (or not play) rather than who the best 12 players are?[/p][/quote]The qualification process is a bit complicated. There are 9 automatic qualifiers. The first 4 are the top 4 Europeans on the European points list. The other 5 are the top 5 from the world points list, not already qualified through the European list. The captain then has 3 "wildcard" picks to make up the 12. Westwood, Donald and Poulter didn't do enough to play their way into the team. Gallagher almost made it on Sunday. He needed to finish second in Italy to get the necessary points but ended up third, squeezed out by a great performance from our own David Howell. Hope that all makes sense. No more golf on here from me - promise![/p][/quote]Golf... An awful way to spoil a beautiful walk... Sorry folks absolutely bores me to tears... Each to their own though... :0) Chish and Fips
  • Score: -4

2:04pm Tue 2 Sep 14

Oi Den! says...

Fair enough Chish. I couldn't disagree more - but that's life's rich tapestry for you.
Fair enough Chish. I couldn't disagree more - but that's life's rich tapestry for you. Oi Den!
  • Score: -4

2:18pm Tue 2 Sep 14

london paolo says...

Chish - I thought it was a long walk is spoiled unless you are carrying a set of golf clubs with you?!!

(or more realistically, one of the domestic staff carrying your set of golf clubs)
Chish - I thought it was a long walk is spoiled unless you are carrying a set of golf clubs with you?!! (or more realistically, one of the domestic staff carrying your set of golf clubs) london paolo
  • Score: -3

3:15pm Tue 2 Sep 14

dreamofacleansheet2 says...

Den out of interest where do you play?

On the additions I don't disagree with someone above that I'd move Nathan out of the back three at the moment but he can't get in side because Byrne is better than him. Clearly Cooper won't drop his captain but what it does illustrate is the strength in depth and flexibility Stephens give us. After all he played right back on loan at Plymouth himself.

With Barthram and Nathan we have cover for the wing backs, cover in midfield for the Aussie Magician, the Swindon Pirlo and the Canary and options up front.

Genuine competition for places always results in better performances which means after some excellent early season performances we're in for a treat. Can't wait.

Ps People of Swindon now is your chance. Save up those pennies and pounds and get yourself along to the County Ground. COYR
Den out of interest where do you play? On the additions I don't disagree with someone above that I'd move Nathan out of the back three at the moment but he can't get in side because Byrne is better than him. Clearly Cooper won't drop his captain but what it does illustrate is the strength in depth and flexibility Stephens give us. After all he played right back on loan at Plymouth himself. With Barthram and Nathan we have cover for the wing backs, cover in midfield for the Aussie Magician, the Swindon Pirlo and the Canary and options up front. Genuine competition for places always results in better performances which means after some excellent early season performances we're in for a treat. Can't wait. Ps People of Swindon now is your chance. Save up those pennies and pounds and get yourself along to the County Ground. COYR dreamofacleansheet2
  • Score: 2

3:58pm Tue 2 Sep 14

lifelong red says...

london paolo wrote:
Pricing is a tricky one, especially for the marginal/matchday tickets.

As a business, how well do you know the price elasticity of demand (i.e responsiveness to price changes) from your customers?

FOR EXAMPLE, you sell 1,000 tickets at £25 - takings are £25,000
You drop the price to £20 , and sell 1,500 tickets - takings are £30,000
Increase the price to £30, but only sell 700 tickets - takings are £21,000

All that should matter to the club is the net overall take at the end of the day. And for atmosphere, surely more fans (paying less) is better than fewer fans (paying more)?

Now I've no idea how much rising ticket prices explain the declining attendances at SN1 (that's The County Ground, Adver), although we are among the most expensive in L1. It's not easy to measure and then decide how sensitive your customers are to price. You can try and do research but often the only way is to suck it and see, or go on gut feel.

I'm not really part of the sample group to judge things on. Coming from London, with Tube across London, petrol, parking, pub lunch, ticket, the total cost per game can be as much as £75 and 9-10 hours out of the day. £20 or £27 as a percentage of the total cost doesn't make that much difference. It's the local market in Wiltshire that matters. Does £20 versus £27 make a difference to them? Maybe to younger people with less disposable income it does, and it's the next generation of fans the club needs to work on.

The club should be more inventive with pricing brackets, age concessions (young and old), mini blocks of 'season' tickets, supporters from out of town. But it's always easier to put the prices up, and hope.
Excellent analysis and one the club would do well to consider .
[quote][p][bold]london paolo[/bold] wrote: Pricing is a tricky one, especially for the marginal/matchday tickets. As a business, how well do you know the price elasticity of demand (i.e responsiveness to price changes) from your customers? FOR EXAMPLE, you sell 1,000 tickets at £25 - takings are £25,000 You drop the price to £20 , and sell 1,500 tickets - takings are £30,000 Increase the price to £30, but only sell 700 tickets - takings are £21,000 All that should matter to the club is the net overall take at the end of the day. And for atmosphere, surely more fans (paying less) is better than fewer fans (paying more)? Now I've no idea how much rising ticket prices explain the declining attendances at SN1 (that's The County Ground, Adver), although we are among the most expensive in L1. It's not easy to measure and then decide how sensitive your customers are to price. You can try and do research but often the only way is to suck it and see, or go on gut feel. I'm not really part of the sample group to judge things on. Coming from London, with Tube across London, petrol, parking, pub lunch, ticket, the total cost per game can be as much as £75 and 9-10 hours out of the day. £20 or £27 as a percentage of the total cost doesn't make that much difference. It's the local market in Wiltshire that matters. Does £20 versus £27 make a difference to them? Maybe to younger people with less disposable income it does, and it's the next generation of fans the club needs to work on. The club should be more inventive with pricing brackets, age concessions (young and old), mini blocks of 'season' tickets, supporters from out of town. But it's always easier to put the prices up, and hope.[/p][/quote]Excellent analysis and one the club would do well to consider . lifelong red
  • Score: 0

4:23pm Tue 2 Sep 14

the wizard says...

I still think LR had a good idea when he suggested a book of say five tickets. Perhaps you would have to nominate your games, to allow for safety reasons/crowd sizes/policing etc at the time of purchase but it would put money into the club and once bought the incentive is to attend those games.

There many ideas on how to increase crowds but I always thought attractive football was the best way to lure people in, and with the new faces that have come i8n I have no doubt that the standard will probably rise further. With the defense shored up and another striker, we'll see, but the overall consensus seems to be things on the pitch will improve, and with it hopefully attendances too.
I still think LR had a good idea when he suggested a book of say five tickets. Perhaps you would have to nominate your games, to allow for safety reasons/crowd sizes/policing etc at the time of purchase but it would put money into the club and once bought the incentive is to attend those games. There many ideas on how to increase crowds but I always thought attractive football was the best way to lure people in, and with the new faces that have come i8n I have no doubt that the standard will probably rise further. With the defense shored up and another striker, we'll see, but the overall consensus seems to be things on the pitch will improve, and with it hopefully attendances too. the wizard
  • Score: 1

4:44pm Tue 2 Sep 14

lifelong red says...

Been reading the above posts and there seems to be the general idea that were bound for a top six finish .well - looking at the squad , it now appears a strong one with competitions for places that is always healthy and I can understand the optimism - but word of warning - a season in league 1 is a long hard slog - injuries- suspensions- loss of form and all the other things that transpire from a long season - nothing is set in stone , and the team has to continue to work hard for each other as well as maintain a high level of consistency to get where they want , and where we want them to finish . Not that I'm trying to be a gloom monger , but we do need to keep our feet firmly on the ground and never - ever get to far ahead of ourselves .
Been reading the above posts and there seems to be the general idea that were bound for a top six finish .well - looking at the squad , it now appears a strong one with competitions for places that is always healthy and I can understand the optimism - but word of warning - a season in league 1 is a long hard slog - injuries- suspensions- loss of form and all the other things that transpire from a long season - nothing is set in stone , and the team has to continue to work hard for each other as well as maintain a high level of consistency to get where they want , and where we want them to finish . Not that I'm trying to be a gloom monger , but we do need to keep our feet firmly on the ground and never - ever get to far ahead of ourselves . lifelong red
  • Score: 1

4:47pm Tue 2 Sep 14

london paolo says...

the wizard wrote:
I still think LR had a good idea when he suggested a book of say five tickets. Perhaps you would have to nominate your games, to allow for safety reasons/crowd sizes/policing etc at the time of purchase but it would put money into the club and once bought the incentive is to attend those games.

There many ideas on how to increase crowds but I always thought attractive football was the best way to lure people in, and with the new faces that have come i8n I have no doubt that the standard will probably rise further. With the defense shored up and another striker, we'll see, but the overall consensus seems to be things on the pitch will improve, and with it hopefully attendances too.
Wizard, I'm not going to get precious on this but I suggested a 'book' of 5 and 10 tickets several years ago and shared the idea (and others) with Watkins, Wray, and even Murrall! But it's good if lots of great minds think alike.

You would have to book your seat as if you were buying a match day ticket, you wouldn't have a reserved seat as season ticket holders do. At least it would commit supporters to a certain number of games, and give the club some advance cash-flow.

You're right about attractive football, but also successful football. If a team is challenging for promotion, more people go to watch whatever the route to goal.
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: I still think LR had a good idea when he suggested a book of say five tickets. Perhaps you would have to nominate your games, to allow for safety reasons/crowd sizes/policing etc at the time of purchase but it would put money into the club and once bought the incentive is to attend those games. There many ideas on how to increase crowds but I always thought attractive football was the best way to lure people in, and with the new faces that have come i8n I have no doubt that the standard will probably rise further. With the defense shored up and another striker, we'll see, but the overall consensus seems to be things on the pitch will improve, and with it hopefully attendances too.[/p][/quote]Wizard, I'm not going to get precious on this but I suggested a 'book' of 5 and 10 tickets several years ago and shared the idea (and others) with Watkins, Wray, and even Murrall! But it's good if lots of great minds think alike. You would have to book your seat as if you were buying a match day ticket, you wouldn't have a reserved seat as season ticket holders do. At least it would commit supporters to a certain number of games, and give the club some advance cash-flow. You're right about attractive football, but also successful football. If a team is challenging for promotion, more people go to watch whatever the route to goal. london paolo
  • Score: 1

4:57pm Tue 2 Sep 14

the wizard says...

london paolo wrote:
the wizard wrote:
I still think LR had a good idea when he suggested a book of say five tickets. Perhaps you would have to nominate your games, to allow for safety reasons/crowd sizes/policing etc at the time of purchase but it would put money into the club and once bought the incentive is to attend those games.

There many ideas on how to increase crowds but I always thought attractive football was the best way to lure people in, and with the new faces that have come i8n I have no doubt that the standard will probably rise further. With the defense shored up and another striker, we'll see, but the overall consensus seems to be things on the pitch will improve, and with it hopefully attendances too.
Wizard, I'm not going to get precious on this but I suggested a 'book' of 5 and 10 tickets several years ago and shared the idea (and others) with Watkins, Wray, and even Murrall! But it's good if lots of great minds think alike.

You would have to book your seat as if you were buying a match day ticket, you wouldn't have a reserved seat as season ticket holders do. At least it would commit supporters to a certain number of games, and give the club some advance cash-flow.

You're right about attractive football, but also successful football. If a team is challenging for promotion, more people go to watch whatever the route to goal.
Didn't mean or intend to offend. Apologies if I did. I also spoke to Watkins at the time and he was non committal. I still think its a good idea, and perhaps Power and his team should give it further consideration. Didn't like Murrall, pink shifty eyes and they were too far apart. LOL.
[quote][p][bold]london paolo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: I still think LR had a good idea when he suggested a book of say five tickets. Perhaps you would have to nominate your games, to allow for safety reasons/crowd sizes/policing etc at the time of purchase but it would put money into the club and once bought the incentive is to attend those games. There many ideas on how to increase crowds but I always thought attractive football was the best way to lure people in, and with the new faces that have come i8n I have no doubt that the standard will probably rise further. With the defense shored up and another striker, we'll see, but the overall consensus seems to be things on the pitch will improve, and with it hopefully attendances too.[/p][/quote]Wizard, I'm not going to get precious on this but I suggested a 'book' of 5 and 10 tickets several years ago and shared the idea (and others) with Watkins, Wray, and even Murrall! But it's good if lots of great minds think alike. You would have to book your seat as if you were buying a match day ticket, you wouldn't have a reserved seat as season ticket holders do. At least it would commit supporters to a certain number of games, and give the club some advance cash-flow. You're right about attractive football, but also successful football. If a team is challenging for promotion, more people go to watch whatever the route to goal.[/p][/quote]Didn't mean or intend to offend. Apologies if I did. I also spoke to Watkins at the time and he was non committal. I still think its a good idea, and perhaps Power and his team should give it further consideration. Didn't like Murrall, pink shifty eyes and they were too far apart. LOL. the wizard
  • Score: 1

4:58pm Tue 2 Sep 14

london paolo says...

Cleuso wrote:
london paolo wrote:
Pricing is a tricky one, especially for the marginal/matchday tickets.

As a business, how well do you know the price elasticity of demand (i.e responsiveness to price changes) from your customers?

FOR EXAMPLE, you sell 1,000 tickets at £25 - takings are £25,000
You drop the price to £20 , and sell 1,500 tickets - takings are £30,000
Increase the price to £30, but only sell 700 tickets - takings are £21,000

All that should matter to the club is the net overall take at the end of the day. And for atmosphere, surely more fans (paying less) is better than fewer fans (paying more)?

Now I've no idea how much rising ticket prices explain the declining attendances at SN1 (that's The County Ground, Adver), although we are among the most expensive in L1. It's not easy to measure and then decide how sensitive your customers are to price. You can try and do research but often the only way is to suck it and see, or go on gut feel.

I'm not really part of the sample group to judge things on. Coming from London, with Tube across London, petrol, parking, pub lunch, ticket, the total cost per game can be as much as £75 and 9-10 hours out of the day. £20 or £27 as a percentage of the total cost doesn't make that much difference. It's the local market in Wiltshire that matters. Does £20 versus £27 make a difference to them? Maybe to younger people with less disposable income it does, and it's the next generation of fans the club needs to work on.

The club should be more inventive with pricing brackets, age concessions (young and old), mini blocks of 'season' tickets, supporters from out of town. But it's always easier to put the prices up, and hope.
But why oh why do examples like this always focus on the most expensive ???

The more those figures are circulated, the more believe, it is the only way to watch the football. It's not, you don't have to pay the highest price to support the club all the time .

This season season ticket holders pay
Adults £ 15 per match
Young adults 16-18 £11.50
Juniors 10-15 £ 5.50
Under 10's FREE !

Matchday prices town end admittedly
Adults £18-20
Young adults £14-16
Juniors £10-12
Under 10's FREE ! *Red club site for full detail on this

So it's not all the £27 that some continue to state as if it is the only take it or leave it price.

I accept if you live outside the town there are other costs to consider, but that is a fact of life you can't get away from.

The town end as the cheapest has been sparsely populated this season, but accept the facilities aren't quite what they are from the sides, but many will still have started their supporting life in there over the years and no reason why it shouldn't be like that again today.
Cleuso - I take your point about the options on prices. I can never contemplate going to a game until end-September due to summer commitments, so I used £27 as that is what my friends had told me the on-the-day price was. We would only sit along the sides, and not in the corner unless there was no choice, but I accept, there are other options. I was a Town End diehard in the 70s but don't choose to sit behind the goals now - you have to do that at away games.

The example - and the prices were just illustrations - was just to highlight the need to maximise overall take, and how tricky it is to judge how price sensitive people are.

I hadn't looked at the club website, but I have now. What I am not clear on is whether the prices in the Don Rogers/Arkells reduce if you are in one of the corner blocks as opposed to centrally, or whether it is purely down to the Gold/Silver/Bronze categorisation of our opponents?

Perception can become reality though, and if people think that it is expensive to watch Swindon, they might not get as far as exploring the different seating, game category and concession options.

Also, would it be worth classifying 'Young adult' as someone up to 24 years, rather than 18? Just because you turn 19 doesn't make you flush with cash, or an old adult either. I still think of myself as a young adult, although I am corrected on this by the grandchildren.
[quote][p][bold]Cleuso[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]london paolo[/bold] wrote: Pricing is a tricky one, especially for the marginal/matchday tickets. As a business, how well do you know the price elasticity of demand (i.e responsiveness to price changes) from your customers? FOR EXAMPLE, you sell 1,000 tickets at £25 - takings are £25,000 You drop the price to £20 , and sell 1,500 tickets - takings are £30,000 Increase the price to £30, but only sell 700 tickets - takings are £21,000 All that should matter to the club is the net overall take at the end of the day. And for atmosphere, surely more fans (paying less) is better than fewer fans (paying more)? Now I've no idea how much rising ticket prices explain the declining attendances at SN1 (that's The County Ground, Adver), although we are among the most expensive in L1. It's not easy to measure and then decide how sensitive your customers are to price. You can try and do research but often the only way is to suck it and see, or go on gut feel. I'm not really part of the sample group to judge things on. Coming from London, with Tube across London, petrol, parking, pub lunch, ticket, the total cost per game can be as much as £75 and 9-10 hours out of the day. £20 or £27 as a percentage of the total cost doesn't make that much difference. It's the local market in Wiltshire that matters. Does £20 versus £27 make a difference to them? Maybe to younger people with less disposable income it does, and it's the next generation of fans the club needs to work on. The club should be more inventive with pricing brackets, age concessions (young and old), mini blocks of 'season' tickets, supporters from out of town. But it's always easier to put the prices up, and hope.[/p][/quote]But why oh why do examples like this always focus on the most expensive ??? The more those figures are circulated, the more believe, it is the only way to watch the football. It's not, you don't have to pay the highest price to support the club all the time . This season season ticket holders pay Adults £ 15 per match Young adults 16-18 £11.50 Juniors 10-15 £ 5.50 Under 10's FREE ! Matchday prices town end admittedly Adults £18-20 Young adults £14-16 Juniors £10-12 Under 10's FREE ! *Red club site for full detail on this So it's not all the £27 that some continue to state as if it is the only take it or leave it price. I accept if you live outside the town there are other costs to consider, but that is a fact of life you can't get away from. The town end as the cheapest has been sparsely populated this season, but accept the facilities aren't quite what they are from the sides, but many will still have started their supporting life in there over the years and no reason why it shouldn't be like that again today.[/p][/quote]Cleuso - I take your point about the options on prices. I can never contemplate going to a game until end-September due to summer commitments, so I used £27 as that is what my friends had told me the on-the-day price was. We would only sit along the sides, and not in the corner unless there was no choice, but I accept, there are other options. I was a Town End diehard in the 70s but don't choose to sit behind the goals now - you have to do that at away games. The example - and the prices were just illustrations - was just to highlight the need to maximise overall take, and how tricky it is to judge how price sensitive people are. I hadn't looked at the club website, but I have now. What I am not clear on is whether the prices in the Don Rogers/Arkells reduce if you are in one of the corner blocks as opposed to centrally, or whether it is purely down to the Gold/Silver/Bronze categorisation of our opponents? Perception can become reality though, and if people think that it is expensive to watch Swindon, they might not get as far as exploring the different seating, game category and concession options. Also, would it be worth classifying 'Young adult' as someone up to 24 years, rather than 18? Just because you turn 19 doesn't make you flush with cash, or an old adult either. I still think of myself as a young adult, although I am corrected on this by the grandchildren. london paolo
  • Score: 1

5:01pm Tue 2 Sep 14

london paolo says...

the wizard wrote:
london paolo wrote:
the wizard wrote:
I still think LR had a good idea when he suggested a book of say five tickets. Perhaps you would have to nominate your games, to allow for safety reasons/crowd sizes/policing etc at the time of purchase but it would put money into the club and once bought the incentive is to attend those games.

There many ideas on how to increase crowds but I always thought attractive football was the best way to lure people in, and with the new faces that have come i8n I have no doubt that the standard will probably rise further. With the defense shored up and another striker, we'll see, but the overall consensus seems to be things on the pitch will improve, and with it hopefully attendances too.
Wizard, I'm not going to get precious on this but I suggested a 'book' of 5 and 10 tickets several years ago and shared the idea (and others) with Watkins, Wray, and even Murrall! But it's good if lots of great minds think alike.

You would have to book your seat as if you were buying a match day ticket, you wouldn't have a reserved seat as season ticket holders do. At least it would commit supporters to a certain number of games, and give the club some advance cash-flow.

You're right about attractive football, but also successful football. If a team is challenging for promotion, more people go to watch whatever the route to goal.
Didn't mean or intend to offend. Apologies if I did. I also spoke to Watkins at the time and he was non committal. I still think its a good idea, and perhaps Power and his team should give it further consideration. Didn't like Murrall, pink shifty eyes and they were too far apart. LOL.
No offence taken! Just that I've pestered the club with my ideas down the years, but never got any response (although occasionally they crept in quietly, like 'bring a mate for a fiver').

Maybe Murrall's non-response was because I also mentioned that a lot of supporters thought he had a very punchable face, and that perhaps this could be factored into the half-time, on-pitch entertainment?
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]london paolo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: I still think LR had a good idea when he suggested a book of say five tickets. Perhaps you would have to nominate your games, to allow for safety reasons/crowd sizes/policing etc at the time of purchase but it would put money into the club and once bought the incentive is to attend those games. There many ideas on how to increase crowds but I always thought attractive football was the best way to lure people in, and with the new faces that have come i8n I have no doubt that the standard will probably rise further. With the defense shored up and another striker, we'll see, but the overall consensus seems to be things on the pitch will improve, and with it hopefully attendances too.[/p][/quote]Wizard, I'm not going to get precious on this but I suggested a 'book' of 5 and 10 tickets several years ago and shared the idea (and others) with Watkins, Wray, and even Murrall! But it's good if lots of great minds think alike. You would have to book your seat as if you were buying a match day ticket, you wouldn't have a reserved seat as season ticket holders do. At least it would commit supporters to a certain number of games, and give the club some advance cash-flow. You're right about attractive football, but also successful football. If a team is challenging for promotion, more people go to watch whatever the route to goal.[/p][/quote]Didn't mean or intend to offend. Apologies if I did. I also spoke to Watkins at the time and he was non committal. I still think its a good idea, and perhaps Power and his team should give it further consideration. Didn't like Murrall, pink shifty eyes and they were too far apart. LOL.[/p][/quote]No offence taken! Just that I've pestered the club with my ideas down the years, but never got any response (although occasionally they crept in quietly, like 'bring a mate for a fiver'). Maybe Murrall's non-response was because I also mentioned that a lot of supporters thought he had a very punchable face, and that perhaps this could be factored into the half-time, on-pitch entertainment? london paolo
  • Score: 3

5:16pm Tue 2 Sep 14

Oi Den! says...

The problem with attendances is that a lot of damage was done last season. Even some season ticket holders packed it in. Once people get out of the habit of going, it's hard to get them back. From what I picked up from conversations and on here, there were 2 main reasons, which have been debated a lot: heavy reliance on loans and slow, unexciting football. I'm not getting into another debate about the validity of those opinions but there's no doubt at all that they are big factors in the drop in attendances.

Cleuso's argument that "negative" posts on here are the cause just doesn't hold water. We are talking about people who were watching and didn't like what they saw.

Is the transfer news likely to make any difference to the way those people are thinking? I doubt it. Unfair or not, many people will not be convinced about Obika until he proves he's better than the player we saw first time round.

The return of Stephens will certainly improve us as a team. However, again it's a loan that does nothing towards building for the future - unless of course he's not really as good as most of us think, in which case one day he might be our player.

The general approval of the Thompson deal will not be shared by people who believe the club lacks ambition. Again their perception might be unfair but it's not going to be changed by the club selling its one true potential star to come through the ranks. I think the transaction means we're now up to 5 loans, which means we'll have at least 4 holes to fill in the not too distant future (assuming Lelan will not be a first choice and will not be replaced).

My own view of the Thompson move is that it's excellent for him, excellent for Norwich and excellent for us - but only in the short term for us. Power said he would sell our players only if offers of silly money came in. If Thompson eventually realises his true potential the money we've taken will look very silly. I know all about the contract expiry, the state of the club etc but I would still come back to the original point - it will do nothing to attract people back to the County Ground.

I fully expect to be shot to pieces for this post, as most people seem to be delighted with the business. If the deal had to be done, it had to be done - but don't expect it to win applause from the stayaways. I'll still be there. It's not me they have to worry about.
The problem with attendances is that a lot of damage was done last season. Even some season ticket holders packed it in. Once people get out of the habit of going, it's hard to get them back. From what I picked up from conversations and on here, there were 2 main reasons, which have been debated a lot: heavy reliance on loans and slow, unexciting football. I'm not getting into another debate about the validity of those opinions but there's no doubt at all that they are big factors in the drop in attendances. Cleuso's argument that "negative" posts on here are the cause just doesn't hold water. We are talking about people who were watching and didn't like what they saw. Is the transfer news likely to make any difference to the way those people are thinking? I doubt it. Unfair or not, many people will not be convinced about Obika until he proves he's better than the player we saw first time round. The return of Stephens will certainly improve us as a team. However, again it's a loan that does nothing towards building for the future - unless of course he's not really as good as most of us think, in which case one day he might be our player. The general approval of the Thompson deal will not be shared by people who believe the club lacks ambition. Again their perception might be unfair but it's not going to be changed by the club selling its one true potential star to come through the ranks. I think the transaction means we're now up to 5 loans, which means we'll have at least 4 holes to fill in the not too distant future (assuming Lelan will not be a first choice and will not be replaced). My own view of the Thompson move is that it's excellent for him, excellent for Norwich and excellent for us - but only in the short term for us. Power said he would sell our players only if offers of silly money came in. If Thompson eventually realises his true potential the money we've taken will look very silly. I know all about the contract expiry, the state of the club etc but I would still come back to the original point - it will do nothing to attract people back to the County Ground. I fully expect to be shot to pieces for this post, as most people seem to be delighted with the business. If the deal had to be done, it had to be done - but don't expect it to win applause from the stayaways. I'll still be there. It's not me they have to worry about. Oi Den!
  • Score: 3

5:42pm Tue 2 Sep 14

Oi Den! says...

On ticket prices, you can certainly put people off by increasing them. The reverse does not necessarily apply to decreases. Say there was a standard price of £25 and the club decided to put it up to £30. There would no doubt be a huge drop in attendances, as people would vote with their feet in disgust. Drop the price by a fiver instead and you would get nowhere near the same effect in reverse. It's human nature. Once the hardcore support diminishes, the only way to get it back is with success on the pitch. Everything else is at the margins.
On ticket prices, you can certainly put people off by increasing them. The reverse does not necessarily apply to decreases. Say there was a standard price of £25 and the club decided to put it up to £30. There would no doubt be a huge drop in attendances, as people would vote with their feet in disgust. Drop the price by a fiver instead and you would get nowhere near the same effect in reverse. It's human nature. Once the hardcore support diminishes, the only way to get it back is with success on the pitch. Everything else is at the margins. Oi Den!
  • Score: 3

5:47pm Tue 2 Sep 14

dreamofacleansheet2 says...

Den I like your post a lot. People in life are inpatient now a days and that manifests it in their interpretation of our football. Even on Saturday when Coventry pressed us well we still played some good stuff and created openings. Not as much as in other games but it is just sad this kind of possession football doesn't interest fans.

Personally as a season ticket who renewed I think our football is better this season than last. I'm on record I would have not sold Louis or Nathan T and tried to build a team around them. I'd have sold even Wes, Yasir or Massismo ahead of them but that's me not Power.

Personally like you I'd rather the loan system wasn't as it is - but we sure don't make the rules. I am genuinely excited by Stephens coming and although it would be great if he was our player I couldn't give a monkies backside if he gets us promoted. Same with Louis T! At the end of the day there is precedent. Zaha was sold to Utd and then loaned back and got Palace up. Do you think Palace fans care? Nope they went up and they got him back a second time!!!

It's for those of us who go and genuinely believe we have one hell of a team to try and spread the word and encourage others along. We all agree the marketing department hasn't set the world alight from time immemorial - but I have no interest in keeping my feet on the ground, with Stephens in our side we can beat anyone.

Shout it from the roof tops. "Town are playing some brilliant football have a great team with massive potential to do well"!...... Get down to MECCA and watch them.......
Den I like your post a lot. People in life are inpatient now a days and that manifests it in their interpretation of our football. Even on Saturday when Coventry pressed us well we still played some good stuff and created openings. Not as much as in other games but it is just sad this kind of possession football doesn't interest fans. Personally as a season ticket who renewed I think our football is better this season than last. I'm on record I would have not sold Louis or Nathan T and tried to build a team around them. I'd have sold even Wes, Yasir or Massismo ahead of them but that's me not Power. Personally like you I'd rather the loan system wasn't as it is - but we sure don't make the rules. I am genuinely excited by Stephens coming and although it would be great if he was our player I couldn't give a monkies backside if he gets us promoted. Same with Louis T! At the end of the day there is precedent. Zaha was sold to Utd and then loaned back and got Palace up. Do you think Palace fans care? Nope they went up and they got him back a second time!!! It's for those of us who go and genuinely believe we have one hell of a team to try and spread the word and encourage others along. We all agree the marketing department hasn't set the world alight from time immemorial - but I have no interest in keeping my feet on the ground, with Stephens in our side we can beat anyone. Shout it from the roof tops. "Town are playing some brilliant football have a great team with massive potential to do well"!...... Get down to MECCA and watch them....... dreamofacleansheet2
  • Score: 2

6:05pm Tue 2 Sep 14

Oi Den! says...

Dreamo, first of all - mostly Broome Manor. (In case anyone else is wondering what that's about, don't - it's of no relevance).

I don't think many people have a problem with the loan system itself. It's the apparent over reliance on it that irks people - rightly or wrongly. If Stephens was the only loan player - or perhaps one of a couple to tide us over - there would be a very different perception.

I'm almost with you on the transfers, except that I would not value Nathan anywhere near as highly as Louis. At one time I shared your view of Nathan but over the last year or so, he's seemed to be treading water. If even at this level he has to commit so many crude fouls to stop opponents, it's hard to see him in anything like the same light as Louis.
Dreamo, first of all - mostly Broome Manor. (In case anyone else is wondering what that's about, don't - it's of no relevance). I don't think many people have a problem with the loan system itself. It's the apparent over reliance on it that irks people - rightly or wrongly. If Stephens was the only loan player - or perhaps one of a couple to tide us over - there would be a very different perception. I'm almost with you on the transfers, except that I would not value Nathan anywhere near as highly as Louis. At one time I shared your view of Nathan but over the last year or so, he's seemed to be treading water. If even at this level he has to commit so many crude fouls to stop opponents, it's hard to see him in anything like the same light as Louis. Oi Den!
  • Score: 0

6:59pm Tue 2 Sep 14

London Red says...

Den - the only thing I would pick you up on is values and how the Louis deal could make us look silly
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A few months ago I said we should accept bids over £1m Wes, £750k for Mass and Nathan and £500k for Yasser and Louis
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You were one who said they were over inflated and we should sell Nathan for as little as £300k
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Since then we saw £600k rejected for Mass, £200k for Nathan and Louis go for £600k with the total deal worth 7 figures!
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That shows the valuations were probably too low but in the right ball park
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So how can the Louis deal now make us look silly?
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It's in the same region as Austin and Cox and a massive amount for a 19 year old with under 50 games to his name!
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If Louis does excel as a Canary we could still get a decent slice of any transfer fee they get as this time we do have a sell on
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Norwich could get back in the Premiership and if they do Saints have shown what prices could be achieved and they are far more likely to get a eight figure fee than we ever would - so we could still get millions more!
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Great business for all parties! Plus will enhance our rep to others!
Den - the only thing I would pick you up on is values and how the Louis deal could make us look silly . A few months ago I said we should accept bids over £1m Wes, £750k for Mass and Nathan and £500k for Yasser and Louis . You were one who said they were over inflated and we should sell Nathan for as little as £300k . Since then we saw £600k rejected for Mass, £200k for Nathan and Louis go for £600k with the total deal worth 7 figures! . That shows the valuations were probably too low but in the right ball park . So how can the Louis deal now make us look silly? . It's in the same region as Austin and Cox and a massive amount for a 19 year old with under 50 games to his name! . If Louis does excel as a Canary we could still get a decent slice of any transfer fee they get as this time we do have a sell on . Norwich could get back in the Premiership and if they do Saints have shown what prices could be achieved and they are far more likely to get a eight figure fee than we ever would - so we could still get millions more! . Great business for all parties! Plus will enhance our rep to others! London Red
  • Score: 4

7:01pm Tue 2 Sep 14

dazzastfc says...

London Red wrote:
Wilesy wrote:
the wizard wrote:
joey butler wrote:
So we buy this totally unproven Spurs lad for around £200k, but missed out on Nicky Ajose who scored goals for Swindon and went to Leeds for around £150k?

Can we please start a fund to buy Mr Power some new marbles, as he has totally lost his?
In fairness to JB I can see where he is coming from here. Maybe he is not as "PC" as some here but he has a point. Maybe wages are an issue, maybe lots of things, maybe Obika will play better under Cooper than Hart, but the record does to a point favour Ajose, who played well here and contributed and scored goals.

On the whole a good days business yesterday and I feel a key point is we keep Louis until the end of the season, that was very good business.
Stevens coming in until the end of January is also very reassuring, and hopefully we'll get him again after that until the end of season.

Very telling that Cooper said he wanted three in before our trip away, well we have Reeves, Stevens and Obika, but I got the impression he said that after we had already signed Reeves, so is there one more to come. Another striker to mix things up would be good and especially now that Williams has found his scoring boots again.
Could be wrong but I thought Obika originally played at the end of the Wilson era alongside Dossevi rather than the Hart era. It was Grella and Andrew in the Hart era. Either way it was the worst I've seen Swindon play in years. Simply can't compare him now to then before he's even kicked a ball.

Nicky Ajose wages surely the problem or he would be have been considered.

Don't think we need another striker we have Smith Williams Obika and Waldron and Gladwin has been playing there as well.
Think Obika like Grella was signed by Wilson and both sent packing by Hart
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Loanees don't always settle for a number of reasons - but having the manager who signed you go has to be a massive factor in unsettling you
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Then we had the change in formation and style to 451 and Obika had no chance really
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I can't believe some will hold a 5 game loan spell in 2011 against him - when he was part of the worst Swindon squad I have ever seen!
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Its not even a 5 game spell it was 1 game or 1 non run that seems to be an issue
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There were far worse culprits than him that season!
so i guess he had the same bad luck everywhere he went...
Poor Obika,,,,,,,
Only joking good luck obi 1
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]joey butler[/bold] wrote: So we buy this totally unproven Spurs lad for around £200k, but missed out on Nicky Ajose who scored goals for Swindon and went to Leeds for around £150k? Can we please start a fund to buy Mr Power some new marbles, as he has totally lost his?[/p][/quote]In fairness to JB I can see where he is coming from here. Maybe he is not as "PC" as some here but he has a point. Maybe wages are an issue, maybe lots of things, maybe Obika will play better under Cooper than Hart, but the record does to a point favour Ajose, who played well here and contributed and scored goals. On the whole a good days business yesterday and I feel a key point is we keep Louis until the end of the season, that was very good business. Stevens coming in until the end of January is also very reassuring, and hopefully we'll get him again after that until the end of season. Very telling that Cooper said he wanted three in before our trip away, well we have Reeves, Stevens and Obika, but I got the impression he said that after we had already signed Reeves, so is there one more to come. Another striker to mix things up would be good and especially now that Williams has found his scoring boots again.[/p][/quote]Could be wrong but I thought Obika originally played at the end of the Wilson era alongside Dossevi rather than the Hart era. It was Grella and Andrew in the Hart era. Either way it was the worst I've seen Swindon play in years. Simply can't compare him now to then before he's even kicked a ball. Nicky Ajose wages surely the problem or he would be have been considered. Don't think we need another striker we have Smith Williams Obika and Waldron and Gladwin has been playing there as well.[/p][/quote]Think Obika like Grella was signed by Wilson and both sent packing by Hart . Loanees don't always settle for a number of reasons - but having the manager who signed you go has to be a massive factor in unsettling you . Then we had the change in formation and style to 451 and Obika had no chance really . I can't believe some will hold a 5 game loan spell in 2011 against him - when he was part of the worst Swindon squad I have ever seen! . Its not even a 5 game spell it was 1 game or 1 non run that seems to be an issue . There were far worse culprits than him that season![/p][/quote]so i guess he had the same bad luck everywhere he went... Poor Obika,,,,,,, Only joking good luck obi 1 dazzastfc
  • Score: -1

7:29pm Tue 2 Sep 14

joey butler says...

South Stand wrote:
Rednwhitewalrus699 wrote:
joey butler wrote:
So we buy this totally unproven Spurs lad for around £200k, but missed out on Nicky Ajose who scored goals for Swindon and went to Leeds for around £150k?

Can we please start a fund to buy Mr Power some new marbles, as he has totally lost his?
No congratulations to Power for securing one of our best defenders for a while back on loan then? Or for putting HIS hand in HIS pocket to sign a striker that so many fans have been calling for? Power has done a brilliant job this window, assembling a young but talented squad on a sustainable budget and holding onto all but one of our best players. We will have a great season and I for one am looking forward to getting down to the CG to watch them!
Just try to ignore this person. He is so obviously nothing at all to do with STFC. I have been a pedant before on here but at the moment I can't make my mind up as to whether he's a knob or a nob.
Even with eventual loss of Louis, I think yesterday's dealings shows how good LP is at his job.
Now let's all go forward with LP, MC and the team.
South Stand,

Despite your abusive comments, which I have reported, people are actually allowed a different opinion to you!! I appreciate that may be difficult for you.
[quote][p][bold]South Stand[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rednwhitewalrus699[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]joey butler[/bold] wrote: So we buy this totally unproven Spurs lad for around £200k, but missed out on Nicky Ajose who scored goals for Swindon and went to Leeds for around £150k? Can we please start a fund to buy Mr Power some new marbles, as he has totally lost his?[/p][/quote]No congratulations to Power for securing one of our best defenders for a while back on loan then? Or for putting HIS hand in HIS pocket to sign a striker that so many fans have been calling for? Power has done a brilliant job this window, assembling a young but talented squad on a sustainable budget and holding onto all but one of our best players. We will have a great season and I for one am looking forward to getting down to the CG to watch them![/p][/quote]Just try to ignore this person. He is so obviously nothing at all to do with STFC. I have been a pedant before on here but at the moment I can't make my mind up as to whether he's a knob or a nob. Even with eventual loss of Louis, I think yesterday's dealings shows how good LP is at his job. Now let's all go forward with LP, MC and the team.[/p][/quote]South Stand, Despite your abusive comments, which I have reported, people are actually allowed a different opinion to you!! I appreciate that may be difficult for you. joey butler
  • Score: 0

7:31pm Tue 2 Sep 14

Oi Den! says...

Sorry LR, I hadn't picked that up about a sell-on clause. I recognise that changes the argument. But we are still losing the nearest thing we have to a midfield dynamo when we are supposed to be building for the future. It doesn't really "sell" the club to a sceptical public.

As for Nathan, I remain unconvinced that he's worth much more than £300k.
Sorry LR, I hadn't picked that up about a sell-on clause. I recognise that changes the argument. But we are still losing the nearest thing we have to a midfield dynamo when we are supposed to be building for the future. It doesn't really "sell" the club to a sceptical public. As for Nathan, I remain unconvinced that he's worth much more than £300k. Oi Den!
  • Score: 0

7:39pm Tue 2 Sep 14

joey butler says...

stutest wrote:
the wizard wrote:
joey butler wrote:
So we buy this totally unproven Spurs lad for around £200k, but missed out on Nicky Ajose who scored goals for Swindon and went to Leeds for around £150k?

Can we please start a fund to buy Mr Power some new marbles, as he has totally lost his?
In fairness to JB I can see where he is coming from here. Maybe he is not as "PC" as some here but he has a point. Maybe wages are an issue, maybe lots of things, maybe Obika will play better under Cooper than Hart, but the record does to a point favour Ajose, who played well here and contributed and scored goals.

On the whole a good days business yesterday and I feel a key point is we keep Louis until the end of the season, that was very good business.
Stevens coming in until the end of January is also very reassuring, and hopefully we'll get him again after that until the end of season.

Very telling that Cooper said he wanted three in before our trip away, well we have Reeves, Stevens and Obika, but I got the impression he said that after we had already signed Reeves, so is there one more to come. Another striker to mix things up would be good and especially now that Williams has found his scoring boots again.
I suspect that the Obika deal was financed by the Thompson money which was not available when Ajose went to Leeds.

I wasn't too impressed by Obika first time round, but that was three years ago, give the boy a break.
A very fair comment Stutest, the wages for Ajose may well have been too much, or our ability to buy Ajose at the time he joined Leeds.

I also really appreciate the refreshing support from Wizard for a different view, clearly not available in the south stand!!
[quote][p][bold]stutest[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]joey butler[/bold] wrote: So we buy this totally unproven Spurs lad for around £200k, but missed out on Nicky Ajose who scored goals for Swindon and went to Leeds for around £150k? Can we please start a fund to buy Mr Power some new marbles, as he has totally lost his?[/p][/quote]In fairness to JB I can see where he is coming from here. Maybe he is not as "PC" as some here but he has a point. Maybe wages are an issue, maybe lots of things, maybe Obika will play better under Cooper than Hart, but the record does to a point favour Ajose, who played well here and contributed and scored goals. On the whole a good days business yesterday and I feel a key point is we keep Louis until the end of the season, that was very good business. Stevens coming in until the end of January is also very reassuring, and hopefully we'll get him again after that until the end of season. Very telling that Cooper said he wanted three in before our trip away, well we have Reeves, Stevens and Obika, but I got the impression he said that after we had already signed Reeves, so is there one more to come. Another striker to mix things up would be good and especially now that Williams has found his scoring boots again.[/p][/quote]I suspect that the Obika deal was financed by the Thompson money which was not available when Ajose went to Leeds. I wasn't too impressed by Obika first time round, but that was three years ago, give the boy a break.[/p][/quote]A very fair comment Stutest, the wages for Ajose may well have been too much, or our ability to buy Ajose at the time he joined Leeds. I also really appreciate the refreshing support from Wizard for a different view, clearly not available in the south stand!! joey butler
  • Score: 2

8:17pm Tue 2 Sep 14

jayden says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Sorry LR, I hadn't picked that up about a sell-on clause. I recognise that changes the argument. But we are still losing the nearest thing we have to a midfield dynamo when we are supposed to be building for the future. It doesn't really "sell" the club to a sceptical public.

As for Nathan, I remain unconvinced that he's worth much more than £300k.
Hi Den it's a shame we have had to sell Louis like you Den I think he will a great player in time but to move the club forward we had to sell one of our stars at least we kept Wes. I think we have good chance now of making the play- offs . I must admit I found some of last season a bit dull but the games I have seen so far have been good value. I think we will get a few back but many don't like the style but this is the way that the F.A want children to be trained now so some may have to choose if this is not the way for them then its time to spend Saturday with the other half.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Sorry LR, I hadn't picked that up about a sell-on clause. I recognise that changes the argument. But we are still losing the nearest thing we have to a midfield dynamo when we are supposed to be building for the future. It doesn't really "sell" the club to a sceptical public. As for Nathan, I remain unconvinced that he's worth much more than £300k.[/p][/quote]Hi Den it's a shame we have had to sell Louis like you Den I think he will a great player in time but to move the club forward we had to sell one of our stars at least we kept Wes. I think we have good chance now of making the play- offs . I must admit I found some of last season a bit dull but the games I have seen so far have been good value. I think we will get a few back but many don't like the style but this is the way that the F.A want children to be trained now so some may have to choose if this is not the way for them then its time to spend Saturday with the other half. jayden
  • Score: 0

8:49pm Tue 2 Sep 14

London Red says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Sorry LR, I hadn't picked that up about a sell-on clause. I recognise that changes the argument. But we are still losing the nearest thing we have to a midfield dynamo when we are supposed to be building for the future. It doesn't really "sell" the club to a sceptical public.

As for Nathan, I remain unconvinced that he's worth much more than £300k.
May not sell it to the sceptical public (but not much will!) but it will sell it to other young starlets
.
Players will see how we play, how they get recognition (Yasser, Mass, Nathan and Smudge all had bids) and know we have management who will support moves that enhances their careers (Louis)
.
It why Smith, Reeves and Obika were so keen to come here despite interest elsewhere
.
I know people have pre judge Obika due to a loan over 3 years ago - but like we saw with Flint and Caddis - Power has shown again he will reinvest when we do sell - so we should always see the squad grow and develop
.
Yes we have some holes to fill when the loans go back - but we have between 5 (if Stephens not extended) and 11 months to fill them!
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Sorry LR, I hadn't picked that up about a sell-on clause. I recognise that changes the argument. But we are still losing the nearest thing we have to a midfield dynamo when we are supposed to be building for the future. It doesn't really "sell" the club to a sceptical public. As for Nathan, I remain unconvinced that he's worth much more than £300k.[/p][/quote]May not sell it to the sceptical public (but not much will!) but it will sell it to other young starlets . Players will see how we play, how they get recognition (Yasser, Mass, Nathan and Smudge all had bids) and know we have management who will support moves that enhances their careers (Louis) . It why Smith, Reeves and Obika were so keen to come here despite interest elsewhere . I know people have pre judge Obika due to a loan over 3 years ago - but like we saw with Flint and Caddis - Power has shown again he will reinvest when we do sell - so we should always see the squad grow and develop . Yes we have some holes to fill when the loans go back - but we have between 5 (if Stephens not extended) and 11 months to fill them! London Red
  • Score: 1

8:55pm Tue 2 Sep 14

Oi Den! says...

Hello Jayden. I don't want to give the impression I'm against a passing game and want to see the ball lumped forward at every opportunity. It's great that the FA want kids to learn to keep the ball on the deck. The main complaint has not been that we pass the ball around but that we do it with so little pace or purpose. To be honest, I think we have been a bit better this season but my point was that the damage done last season will only be repaired by good results. Let's hope the Thompson money is used to move the club forward as you suggest. Some people have been saying Power has turned the club around and is running it at break-even. If that's true, presumably Cooper will have another £400k at his disposal?
Hello Jayden. I don't want to give the impression I'm against a passing game and want to see the ball lumped forward at every opportunity. It's great that the FA want kids to learn to keep the ball on the deck. The main complaint has not been that we pass the ball around but that we do it with so little pace or purpose. To be honest, I think we have been a bit better this season but my point was that the damage done last season will only be repaired by good results. Let's hope the Thompson money is used to move the club forward as you suggest. Some people have been saying Power has turned the club around and is running it at break-even. If that's true, presumably Cooper will have another £400k at his disposal? Oi Den!
  • Score: 2

9:03pm Tue 2 Sep 14

London Red says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Hello Jayden. I don't want to give the impression I'm against a passing game and want to see the ball lumped forward at every opportunity. It's great that the FA want kids to learn to keep the ball on the deck. The main complaint has not been that we pass the ball around but that we do it with so little pace or purpose. To be honest, I think we have been a bit better this season but my point was that the damage done last season will only be repaired by good results. Let's hope the Thompson money is used to move the club forward as you suggest. Some people have been saying Power has turned the club around and is running it at break-even. If that's true, presumably Cooper will have another £400k at his disposal?
As I said earlier Power has demonstrated he will pay for players either via re-investing or out of his own pocket
.
Byrne (£100k), Mass (£400k), Smith (£200k) and now Obika (£200k) - that's nearly £1m!
.
There was also a suggestion from the media that Barker cost 5 figures!
.
We only had £500k in before Louis from Caddis and Flint - so with Louis we still are almost evens in net transfers
.
Anyway - you couldn't blame Power if he pocketed the money as we may be break-even now but we weren't last season and we know he has pumped in £2m!!!
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Hello Jayden. I don't want to give the impression I'm against a passing game and want to see the ball lumped forward at every opportunity. It's great that the FA want kids to learn to keep the ball on the deck. The main complaint has not been that we pass the ball around but that we do it with so little pace or purpose. To be honest, I think we have been a bit better this season but my point was that the damage done last season will only be repaired by good results. Let's hope the Thompson money is used to move the club forward as you suggest. Some people have been saying Power has turned the club around and is running it at break-even. If that's true, presumably Cooper will have another £400k at his disposal?[/p][/quote]As I said earlier Power has demonstrated he will pay for players either via re-investing or out of his own pocket . Byrne (£100k), Mass (£400k), Smith (£200k) and now Obika (£200k) - that's nearly £1m! . There was also a suggestion from the media that Barker cost 5 figures! . We only had £500k in before Louis from Caddis and Flint - so with Louis we still are almost evens in net transfers . Anyway - you couldn't blame Power if he pocketed the money as we may be break-even now but we weren't last season and we know he has pumped in £2m!!! London Red
  • Score: 1

9:07pm Tue 2 Sep 14

London Red says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Hello Jayden. I don't want to give the impression I'm against a passing game and want to see the ball lumped forward at every opportunity. It's great that the FA want kids to learn to keep the ball on the deck. The main complaint has not been that we pass the ball around but that we do it with so little pace or purpose. To be honest, I think we have been a bit better this season but my point was that the damage done last season will only be repaired by good results. Let's hope the Thompson money is used to move the club forward as you suggest. Some people have been saying Power has turned the club around and is running it at break-even. If that's true, presumably Cooper will have another £400k at his disposal?
I saw Luton and Crawley and I wouldn't say we were just doing pointless passing this season
.
Some we do to move the opposition around and tire them out by chasing shadows
.
It led to lots of chances - which with a bit more quality we could have put a fair few away - hopefully Obika will help with that! (No dig at Smudge - he could do with someone to play up with him to help create)
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Hello Jayden. I don't want to give the impression I'm against a passing game and want to see the ball lumped forward at every opportunity. It's great that the FA want kids to learn to keep the ball on the deck. The main complaint has not been that we pass the ball around but that we do it with so little pace or purpose. To be honest, I think we have been a bit better this season but my point was that the damage done last season will only be repaired by good results. Let's hope the Thompson money is used to move the club forward as you suggest. Some people have been saying Power has turned the club around and is running it at break-even. If that's true, presumably Cooper will have another £400k at his disposal?[/p][/quote]I saw Luton and Crawley and I wouldn't say we were just doing pointless passing this season . Some we do to move the opposition around and tire them out by chasing shadows . It led to lots of chances - which with a bit more quality we could have put a fair few away - hopefully Obika will help with that! (No dig at Smudge - he could do with someone to play up with him to help create) London Red
  • Score: 0

10:06pm Tue 2 Sep 14

jayden says...

jayden wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Sorry LR, I hadn't picked that up about a sell-on clause. I recognise that changes the argument. But we are still losing the nearest thing we have to a midfield dynamo when we are supposed to be building for the future. It doesn't really "sell" the club to a sceptical public.

As for Nathan, I remain unconvinced that he's worth much more than £300k.
Hi Den it's a shame we have had to sell Louis like you Den I think he will a great player in time but to move the club forward we had to sell one of our stars at least we kept Wes. I think we have good chance now of making the play- offs . I must admit I found some of last season a bit dull but the games I have seen so far have been good value. I think we will get a few back but many don't like the style but this is the way that the F.A want children to be trained now so some may have to choose if this is not the way for them then its time to spend Saturday with the other half.
Hi Den I was not saying that against you I was trying to explain that the way we are trying to play is the way the FA want to take the game forward from grass roots. The children are now trying all positions and encouraged to take players on even if they lose the ball keep trying also to kick with both feet . The games are for players to express them selves and you set them tasks as a team and each player. You set the game up to win but its not the be all and end all. But like all things in life you get the odd parent who don't like this and is shouting " boot it forward". Also it makes me laugh when I speak to parents who say "yes my 5 year old boy is a centre forward" so he's found his position at 5 years of age amazing . Yes some move with the times, some don't all I can say is since 1966 we have not won anything as a national team so why not give it a go it will take a while but we should a least start producing technical players in all positions not just a few gifted players who come up short on the world stage.
[quote][p][bold]jayden[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Sorry LR, I hadn't picked that up about a sell-on clause. I recognise that changes the argument. But we are still losing the nearest thing we have to a midfield dynamo when we are supposed to be building for the future. It doesn't really "sell" the club to a sceptical public. As for Nathan, I remain unconvinced that he's worth much more than £300k.[/p][/quote]Hi Den it's a shame we have had to sell Louis like you Den I think he will a great player in time but to move the club forward we had to sell one of our stars at least we kept Wes. I think we have good chance now of making the play- offs . I must admit I found some of last season a bit dull but the games I have seen so far have been good value. I think we will get a few back but many don't like the style but this is the way that the F.A want children to be trained now so some may have to choose if this is not the way for them then its time to spend Saturday with the other half.[/p][/quote]Hi Den I was not saying that against you I was trying to explain that the way we are trying to play is the way the FA want to take the game forward from grass roots. The children are now trying all positions and encouraged to take players on even if they lose the ball keep trying also to kick with both feet . The games are for players to express them selves and you set them tasks as a team and each player. You set the game up to win but its not the be all and end all. But like all things in life you get the odd parent who don't like this and is shouting " boot it forward". Also it makes me laugh when I speak to parents who say "yes my 5 year old boy is a centre forward" so he's found his position at 5 years of age amazing . Yes some move with the times, some don't all I can say is since 1966 we have not won anything as a national team so why not give it a go it will take a while but we should a least start producing technical players in all positions not just a few gifted players who come up short on the world stage. jayden
  • Score: 1

10:13pm Tue 2 Sep 14

dreamofacleansheet2 says...

Den I don't rate Nathan highly money wise as I agree he dives in to much now and has gone backwards. But I do rate him and Louis as the heart of the team - or I did till Louis was sold to the Canaries....

Still think its cheap but it has to be good business if we can pull promotion off this season. Subject to a major injury crisis I really believe we have one heck of a chance as I'm pretty sure we'll renew Stephens in January.

Feeling very good about this season.
Den I don't rate Nathan highly money wise as I agree he dives in to much now and has gone backwards. But I do rate him and Louis as the heart of the team - or I did till Louis was sold to the Canaries.... Still think its cheap but it has to be good business if we can pull promotion off this season. Subject to a major injury crisis I really believe we have one heck of a chance as I'm pretty sure we'll renew Stephens in January. Feeling very good about this season. dreamofacleansheet2
  • Score: 0

10:31pm Tue 2 Sep 14

Oi Den! says...

jayden wrote:
jayden wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Sorry LR, I hadn't picked that up about a sell-on clause. I recognise that changes the argument. But we are still losing the nearest thing we have to a midfield dynamo when we are supposed to be building for the future. It doesn't really "sell" the club to a sceptical public.

As for Nathan, I remain unconvinced that he's worth much more than £300k.
Hi Den it's a shame we have had to sell Louis like you Den I think he will a great player in time but to move the club forward we had to sell one of our stars at least we kept Wes. I think we have good chance now of making the play- offs . I must admit I found some of last season a bit dull but the games I have seen so far have been good value. I think we will get a few back but many don't like the style but this is the way that the F.A want children to be trained now so some may have to choose if this is not the way for them then its time to spend Saturday with the other half.
Hi Den I was not saying that against you I was trying to explain that the way we are trying to play is the way the FA want to take the game forward from grass roots. The children are now trying all positions and encouraged to take players on even if they lose the ball keep trying also to kick with both feet . The games are for players to express them selves and you set them tasks as a team and each player. You set the game up to win but its not the be all and end all. But like all things in life you get the odd parent who don't like this and is shouting " boot it forward". Also it makes me laugh when I speak to parents who say "yes my 5 year old boy is a centre forward" so he's found his position at 5 years of age amazing . Yes some move with the times, some don't all I can say is since 1966 we have not won anything as a national team so why not give it a go it will take a while but we should a least start producing technical players in all positions not just a few gifted players who come up short on the world stage.
I understood what you were getting at Jayden. It all sounds good. I remember one of my sons trying to play in goal when he was about 10 years old - in full size goals. Glad we seem to have left those days behind.
[quote][p][bold]jayden[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayden[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Sorry LR, I hadn't picked that up about a sell-on clause. I recognise that changes the argument. But we are still losing the nearest thing we have to a midfield dynamo when we are supposed to be building for the future. It doesn't really "sell" the club to a sceptical public. As for Nathan, I remain unconvinced that he's worth much more than £300k.[/p][/quote]Hi Den it's a shame we have had to sell Louis like you Den I think he will a great player in time but to move the club forward we had to sell one of our stars at least we kept Wes. I think we have good chance now of making the play- offs . I must admit I found some of last season a bit dull but the games I have seen so far have been good value. I think we will get a few back but many don't like the style but this is the way that the F.A want children to be trained now so some may have to choose if this is not the way for them then its time to spend Saturday with the other half.[/p][/quote]Hi Den I was not saying that against you I was trying to explain that the way we are trying to play is the way the FA want to take the game forward from grass roots. The children are now trying all positions and encouraged to take players on even if they lose the ball keep trying also to kick with both feet . The games are for players to express them selves and you set them tasks as a team and each player. You set the game up to win but its not the be all and end all. But like all things in life you get the odd parent who don't like this and is shouting " boot it forward". Also it makes me laugh when I speak to parents who say "yes my 5 year old boy is a centre forward" so he's found his position at 5 years of age amazing . Yes some move with the times, some don't all I can say is since 1966 we have not won anything as a national team so why not give it a go it will take a while but we should a least start producing technical players in all positions not just a few gifted players who come up short on the world stage.[/p][/quote]I understood what you were getting at Jayden. It all sounds good. I remember one of my sons trying to play in goal when he was about 10 years old - in full size goals. Glad we seem to have left those days behind. Oi Den!
  • Score: 0

12:15am Wed 3 Sep 14

reading_red says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Sorry LR, I hadn't picked that up about a sell-on clause. I recognise that changes the argument. But we are still losing the nearest thing we have to a midfield dynamo when we are supposed to be building for the future. It doesn't really "sell" the club to a sceptical public.

As for Nathan, I remain unconvinced that he's worth much more than £300k.
Think that valuation is way off the mark for Nathan. I think we should remember he has played out of position all season and done an admirable job. Who is to say Stephens will do better?
Thompson good foootballer and leader whseo stock will rise considerably by next May!
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Sorry LR, I hadn't picked that up about a sell-on clause. I recognise that changes the argument. But we are still losing the nearest thing we have to a midfield dynamo when we are supposed to be building for the future. It doesn't really "sell" the club to a sceptical public. As for Nathan, I remain unconvinced that he's worth much more than £300k.[/p][/quote]Think that valuation is way off the mark for Nathan. I think we should remember he has played out of position all season and done an admirable job. Who is to say Stephens will do better? Thompson good foootballer and leader whseo stock will rise considerably by next May! reading_red
  • Score: 3
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