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Wes Foderingham

Wes Foderingham

First published in Sport Swindon Advertiser: Photograph of the Author by , Sports reporter

HAVING enjoyed a wholly positive transfer window Swindon Town’s next task will be keeping hold of the players on their books attracting attention.

Four high-profile first team names could leave the club for free next summer, the contracts of Wes Foderingham, Nathan Thompson, Andy Williams and Nathan Byrne all expire at the end of the season.

However chairman Lee Power has held on to his key players in this window, thus giving Mark Cooper every chance to help realise the team’s potential. In making a deal to retain the service of Louis Thompson, Power has proved his mettle in the market and backed up his manager’s vision.

Cooper has full faith in Power to do his best to get those players with expiring contracts new deals saying on the situation: “I think he (Power) knows that’s going to have to be spoken about soon. I’m sure that he’s putting things in place where those sort of things will be taken care of in the coming days and weeks.

“You have to look and say is the grass greener? Am I part of something here and who knows where it can go? We’ve got some good players. If you can go and earn life-changing money, it doesn’t matter what we do they’re going to go.

“If you’re talking about Wes, Nathan and people like that. It might be that they want to play in Championship, we’ve got to get somebody to take them first of all.

“But they might have said whatever happens I’m going to leave. We can’t affect that but I know the chairman will do everything that he can to try and keep them.’’ That level of faith comes surely stems from a transfer window where Town brought in their targets and, despite selling a promising youngster in Louis Thompson, were able to keep him for the season.

“Fair play to the chairman. I would have thought he could have sold one or two. He did but he did an unbelievable deal to get one back,” added Cooper.

“I’m sure he could have sold more and taken some money and weakened our position but he didn’t. He said ‘I’m going to try and keep everyone and give you a decent squad to work with, which he’s done and we’ve added to it, so fair to play him.“

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5:52am Fri 5 Sep 14

vikingred says...

If we can mount a serious Promotion challenge and go up, then I think the club will be in a strong position to keep our best players.
Unfortunately, a mid-table finish would see an exodus of out of contract players, as I'm sure they would get more lucrative deals elsewhere.
If we can mount a serious Promotion challenge and go up, then I think the club will be in a strong position to keep our best players. Unfortunately, a mid-table finish would see an exodus of out of contract players, as I'm sure they would get more lucrative deals elsewhere. vikingred
  • Score: 17

7:26am Fri 5 Sep 14

Brainy_60 says...

Given the fact these four can be snapped up for nothing at the end of the season, it could mean a busy January transfer window. Given the continued good form and speculation over Luongo and Kasim could mean a worrying new year for us. Obviously hope not.
Given the fact these four can be snapped up for nothing at the end of the season, it could mean a busy January transfer window. Given the continued good form and speculation over Luongo and Kasim could mean a worrying new year for us. Obviously hope not. Brainy_60
  • Score: 6

7:42am Fri 5 Sep 14

Scouse Red says...

Best get promoted them hadn't we and fight to keep our best players - hopefully that will get some of the stay away crowds back and put more bums on (uncomfortable) seats. We could even get some away fans in the stratton if we go up....
Best get promoted them hadn't we and fight to keep our best players - hopefully that will get some of the stay away crowds back and put more bums on (uncomfortable) seats. We could even get some away fans in the stratton if we go up.... Scouse Red
  • Score: 2

7:59am Fri 5 Sep 14

London Red says...

It's bad enough when posters don't do any research but the paper is unacceptable!
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Lets get one thing clear these 4 can NOT all be snapped up for free at the end of the season!
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1 - Wes signed a deal with an option for a third season - next season - so even if he wants to leave we can do a "Flint" and get a fee - won't be million+ but will still be a few hundred thousand
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2 - Byrne will only just have turned 23 when his contract expires - so as long as we offer him a new deal any club signing him will have to pay compensation - ala Collins or Troy
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3 - Williams is NOT a key part of the squad - he started the season on the bench and now Obika has signed will return there!
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He is on big wages and Power will be more than happy for him to leave
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So yes we have a risk of losing Nathan Thompson for free - but we have months to have contract talks and as a local lad and captain - that shouldn't be too much of an issue - especially as he will have seen first hand how we won't stop him progressing his career if the right offer comes in
It's bad enough when posters don't do any research but the paper is unacceptable! . Lets get one thing clear these 4 can NOT all be snapped up for free at the end of the season! . 1 - Wes signed a deal with an option for a third season - next season - so even if he wants to leave we can do a "Flint" and get a fee - won't be million+ but will still be a few hundred thousand . 2 - Byrne will only just have turned 23 when his contract expires - so as long as we offer him a new deal any club signing him will have to pay compensation - ala Collins or Troy . 3 - Williams is NOT a key part of the squad - he started the season on the bench and now Obika has signed will return there! . He is on big wages and Power will be more than happy for him to leave . So yes we have a risk of losing Nathan Thompson for free - but we have months to have contract talks and as a local lad and captain - that shouldn't be too much of an issue - especially as he will have seen first hand how we won't stop him progressing his career if the right offer comes in London Red
  • Score: 49

8:42am Fri 5 Sep 14

mancrobin says...

London Red wrote:
It's bad enough when posters don't do any research but the paper is unacceptable!
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Lets get one thing clear these 4 can NOT all be snapped up for free at the end of the season!
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1 - Wes signed a deal with an option for a third season - next season - so even if he wants to leave we can do a "Flint" and get a fee - won't be million+ but will still be a few hundred thousand
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2 - Byrne will only just have turned 23 when his contract expires - so as long as we offer him a new deal any club signing him will have to pay compensation - ala Collins or Troy
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3 - Williams is NOT a key part of the squad - he started the season on the bench and now Obika has signed will return there!
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He is on big wages and Power will be more than happy for him to leave
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So yes we have a risk of losing Nathan Thompson for free - but we have months to have contract talks and as a local lad and captain - that shouldn't be too much of an issue - especially as he will have seen first hand how we won't stop him progressing his career if the right offer comes in
Yes, good points LR and I doubt if Lee Power is unaware. I think MC was trying to make a more general point backing up his Chairman which no doubt shows relief and appreciation.

It's interesting how much positivity was expressed towards Black Wray and DiCanio at transfer times with a wealthy Owner who didn't have clue, a star struck Chairman and out of control manager.

Not so now we have a wily Owner/Chairman and a more protracted labour for the birth of a managerial legend.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: It's bad enough when posters don't do any research but the paper is unacceptable! . Lets get one thing clear these 4 can NOT all be snapped up for free at the end of the season! . 1 - Wes signed a deal with an option for a third season - next season - so even if he wants to leave we can do a "Flint" and get a fee - won't be million+ but will still be a few hundred thousand . 2 - Byrne will only just have turned 23 when his contract expires - so as long as we offer him a new deal any club signing him will have to pay compensation - ala Collins or Troy . 3 - Williams is NOT a key part of the squad - he started the season on the bench and now Obika has signed will return there! . He is on big wages and Power will be more than happy for him to leave . So yes we have a risk of losing Nathan Thompson for free - but we have months to have contract talks and as a local lad and captain - that shouldn't be too much of an issue - especially as he will have seen first hand how we won't stop him progressing his career if the right offer comes in[/p][/quote]Yes, good points LR and I doubt if Lee Power is unaware. I think MC was trying to make a more general point backing up his Chairman which no doubt shows relief and appreciation. It's interesting how much positivity was expressed towards Black Wray and DiCanio at transfer times with a wealthy Owner who didn't have clue, a star struck Chairman and out of control manager. Not so now we have a wily Owner/Chairman and a more protracted labour for the birth of a managerial legend. mancrobin
  • Score: 14

9:22am Fri 5 Sep 14

port de soller says...

Maybe an option to extend contracts to the players they hope to keep.Sad as it is Jan just might see a few exits,so it will be wait and see,still we have 4 months to get as many points as we can.
Again financies may rule the day.
Just to finish think the club did well before the deadline.Oh and speedy recovery to our injured players
Maybe an option to extend contracts to the players they hope to keep.Sad as it is Jan just might see a few exits,so it will be wait and see,still we have 4 months to get as many points as we can. Again financies may rule the day. Just to finish think the club did well before the deadline.Oh and speedy recovery to our injured players port de soller
  • Score: 1

9:24am Fri 5 Sep 14

The Jockster says...

LR - the rub is that they could all go "one way or another". Add in LT, who if he continues to develop, is unlikely to be released for a second loan spell by Norwich, and we're back to the scenario where together with other loans we have to start the re-build process again as we did last year and this year and probably indefinitely.
It is surely this continual over reliance on loans and selling our best players that has and will continue to affect "bums on seats" because of the frustration it provides to some folk.
The only way around it, it seems is to actually get promoted in the season while all the preferred players are at the club. Obviously I hope that happens for us this time because last season for whatever reasons we had a great chance of at least the play offs and we blew it.
I know the use of the loan system is probably vital to lower tier clubs but that doesn't mean I have to like it.
The best way of encouraging more people through the turnstiles is to produce a sustained run of purposeful attacking attractive football with the end result of plenty of goal attempts ending up in the onion bag.
Let's hope The Power and Cooperman have now got the right blend of players to start that process.
LR - the rub is that they could all go "one way or another". Add in LT, who if he continues to develop, is unlikely to be released for a second loan spell by Norwich, and we're back to the scenario where together with other loans we have to start the re-build process again as we did last year and this year and probably indefinitely. It is surely this continual over reliance on loans and selling our best players that has and will continue to affect "bums on seats" because of the frustration it provides to some folk. The only way around it, it seems is to actually get promoted in the season while all the preferred players are at the club. Obviously I hope that happens for us this time because last season for whatever reasons we had a great chance of at least the play offs and we blew it. I know the use of the loan system is probably vital to lower tier clubs but that doesn't mean I have to like it. The best way of encouraging more people through the turnstiles is to produce a sustained run of purposeful attacking attractive football with the end result of plenty of goal attempts ending up in the onion bag. Let's hope The Power and Cooperman have now got the right blend of players to start that process. The Jockster
  • Score: 1

9:32am Fri 5 Sep 14

Rgbargee says...

I thought we all agreed we are a selling club, so I expect players to be sold , but not given away at the end of their contract. This is the key point as detailed by London Red, we will have the option to sell, but at a lower figure than if we had the player under a long term contract. I doubt Lee power will want to "miss out" on any transfer earnings on a future star, so I hope and expect, he will negotiate hard to keep our soon out of contract players.
Running STFC must be a difficult task, but I do feel we are in the best possible hands, as both the manager and owner think alike. IMO we have a good chance of going up to the Championship this year with our new signings, so let's keep positive and look forward to the good times ahead and not worry about players leaving the club.
I thought we all agreed we are a selling club, so I expect players to be sold , but not given away at the end of their contract. This is the key point as detailed by London Red, we will have the option to sell, but at a lower figure than if we had the player under a long term contract. I doubt Lee power will want to "miss out" on any transfer earnings on a future star, so I hope and expect, he will negotiate hard to keep our soon out of contract players. Running STFC must be a difficult task, but I do feel we are in the best possible hands, as both the manager and owner think alike. IMO we have a good chance of going up to the Championship this year with our new signings, so let's keep positive and look forward to the good times ahead and not worry about players leaving the club. Rgbargee
  • Score: 55

9:48am Fri 5 Sep 14

Wilesy says...

Key thing for me is that Power seems to be very shrewd in the transfer market both buying and selling. Would be interested to know if Louis was offered a contract extension....

Really hope we keep hold of the crown jewels but should Wes go in Jan or summer he will have played 150-200 games which is more than I expected when we signed him.

The argument of loans v perms is fair but to me the difference is minimal as perms, with the rare exception, don't stay for more than 2 seasons / 100 games. Loans range from 1 month to half season to season long and some then get signed permanently like Ritchie Byrne and Luongo. Gives a chance for both club and loans to have a look, which may then help when in making the good ones perms.

If perms were staying 3 4 or 5 seasons, like the good old days, it's a different case completey but when 100 games is a long time it doesn't really matter as there's no longevity either way.

I fully expect the majority of the crown jewels to not be here next season, unless we get promoted.
Key thing for me is that Power seems to be very shrewd in the transfer market both buying and selling. Would be interested to know if Louis was offered a contract extension.... Really hope we keep hold of the crown jewels but should Wes go in Jan or summer he will have played 150-200 games which is more than I expected when we signed him. The argument of loans v perms is fair but to me the difference is minimal as perms, with the rare exception, don't stay for more than 2 seasons / 100 games. Loans range from 1 month to half season to season long and some then get signed permanently like Ritchie Byrne and Luongo. Gives a chance for both club and loans to have a look, which may then help when in making the good ones perms. If perms were staying 3 4 or 5 seasons, like the good old days, it's a different case completey but when 100 games is a long time it doesn't really matter as there's no longevity either way. I fully expect the majority of the crown jewels to not be here next season, unless we get promoted. Wilesy
  • Score: 22

10:30am Fri 5 Sep 14

London Red says...

Jock as Rgbargee said my point was not that they could not leave it was the statement they could walk for free which is factually incorrect
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Both Nathan's can easily decide to reject any new deal and walk and no one could do anything about it - but in the case of Byrne we would be due some sort of compensation if that did happened
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Wes has to take the extension - same way Flint did - and like Flint if he wants out he can hand in a request and leave - but like with Flint once whoever wants him pays the relevant compensation
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Wilsey makes a good point that loan v perm is not always that different these days - as it doesn't matter if a player has a 1 year or 10 year deal if he wants out they usually go - the only difference is how much you get for them!
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Plus like with Luongo and Stephens we are seeing them return over 2 seasons
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As for the rebuilding process every year did we really totally rebuild?
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Wasn't the main criticism all summer was the lack of incoming?
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Foderingham, N.Thompson, Byrne, Luongo, Kasim L.Thompson, M.Smith - were all in the side last season and are all the main spine of the side this season
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Branco was around last year and played a lot this year - so that could be 8 of the 11 still the same - 3 changes would usually be seen as normal turnover in any season!
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Stephens has returned so we could potentially have 9 from last season still here - that is extremely high number remaining!
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The only thing we really saw was the deadwood and fringe players released - which for some unknown reason spooked a few locals
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Granted we will lose Stephens, Louis T and most likely B.Smith and Turnbull next year - but 4 is not that many - especially if we integrate Reeves and Branco into the first team as replacements before they go
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Then we may only be looking at 1 CB and 1 LWBK to replace - which is not a major issue
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Others leaving is chrystal ball territory and we just have to see how that pans out
Jock as Rgbargee said my point was not that they could not leave it was the statement they could walk for free which is factually incorrect . Both Nathan's can easily decide to reject any new deal and walk and no one could do anything about it - but in the case of Byrne we would be due some sort of compensation if that did happened . Wes has to take the extension - same way Flint did - and like Flint if he wants out he can hand in a request and leave - but like with Flint once whoever wants him pays the relevant compensation . Wilsey makes a good point that loan v perm is not always that different these days - as it doesn't matter if a player has a 1 year or 10 year deal if he wants out they usually go - the only difference is how much you get for them! . Plus like with Luongo and Stephens we are seeing them return over 2 seasons . As for the rebuilding process every year did we really totally rebuild? . Wasn't the main criticism all summer was the lack of incoming? . Foderingham, N.Thompson, Byrne, Luongo, Kasim L.Thompson, M.Smith - were all in the side last season and are all the main spine of the side this season . Branco was around last year and played a lot this year - so that could be 8 of the 11 still the same - 3 changes would usually be seen as normal turnover in any season! . Stephens has returned so we could potentially have 9 from last season still here - that is extremely high number remaining! . The only thing we really saw was the deadwood and fringe players released - which for some unknown reason spooked a few locals . Granted we will lose Stephens, Louis T and most likely B.Smith and Turnbull next year - but 4 is not that many - especially if we integrate Reeves and Branco into the first team as replacements before they go . Then we may only be looking at 1 CB and 1 LWBK to replace - which is not a major issue . Others leaving is chrystal ball territory and we just have to see how that pans out London Red
  • Score: 9

12:14pm Fri 5 Sep 14

Wilesy says...

London Red wrote:
Jock as Rgbargee said my point was not that they could not leave it was the statement they could walk for free which is factually incorrect
.
Both Nathan's can easily decide to reject any new deal and walk and no one could do anything about it - but in the case of Byrne we would be due some sort of compensation if that did happened
.
Wes has to take the extension - same way Flint did - and like Flint if he wants out he can hand in a request and leave - but like with Flint once whoever wants him pays the relevant compensation
.
Wilsey makes a good point that loan v perm is not always that different these days - as it doesn't matter if a player has a 1 year or 10 year deal if he wants out they usually go - the only difference is how much you get for them!
.
Plus like with Luongo and Stephens we are seeing them return over 2 seasons
.
As for the rebuilding process every year did we really totally rebuild?
.
Wasn't the main criticism all summer was the lack of incoming?
.
Foderingham, N.Thompson, Byrne, Luongo, Kasim L.Thompson, M.Smith - were all in the side last season and are all the main spine of the side this season
.
Branco was around last year and played a lot this year - so that could be 8 of the 11 still the same - 3 changes would usually be seen as normal turnover in any season!
.
Stephens has returned so we could potentially have 9 from last season still here - that is extremely high number remaining!
.
The only thing we really saw was the deadwood and fringe players released - which for some unknown reason spooked a few locals
.
Granted we will lose Stephens, Louis T and most likely B.Smith and Turnbull next year - but 4 is not that many - especially if we integrate Reeves and Branco into the first team as replacements before they go
.
Then we may only be looking at 1 CB and 1 LWBK to replace - which is not a major issue
.
Others leaving is chrystal ball territory and we just have to see how that pans out
Agree crystal ball territory but history shows we are likely to have a large turnover.

So many variable between now and then -

1) Will Power still be here?

2) WIll Cooper still be here?

3) What division will we be in?

4) What will the financial situation be like?

5) Form of the crown jewels - Luongo and Kasim both started well then faded last year. A repeat may put off current admirers

6) Potential new crown jewels stepping up - eg Branco, Gladwin, Reeves, Rogers, Barker - may be preferable to sell them

7) Current admirers like Steve Evans - will he still be Rotherham manager if they struggle this season?
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Jock as Rgbargee said my point was not that they could not leave it was the statement they could walk for free which is factually incorrect . Both Nathan's can easily decide to reject any new deal and walk and no one could do anything about it - but in the case of Byrne we would be due some sort of compensation if that did happened . Wes has to take the extension - same way Flint did - and like Flint if he wants out he can hand in a request and leave - but like with Flint once whoever wants him pays the relevant compensation . Wilsey makes a good point that loan v perm is not always that different these days - as it doesn't matter if a player has a 1 year or 10 year deal if he wants out they usually go - the only difference is how much you get for them! . Plus like with Luongo and Stephens we are seeing them return over 2 seasons . As for the rebuilding process every year did we really totally rebuild? . Wasn't the main criticism all summer was the lack of incoming? . Foderingham, N.Thompson, Byrne, Luongo, Kasim L.Thompson, M.Smith - were all in the side last season and are all the main spine of the side this season . Branco was around last year and played a lot this year - so that could be 8 of the 11 still the same - 3 changes would usually be seen as normal turnover in any season! . Stephens has returned so we could potentially have 9 from last season still here - that is extremely high number remaining! . The only thing we really saw was the deadwood and fringe players released - which for some unknown reason spooked a few locals . Granted we will lose Stephens, Louis T and most likely B.Smith and Turnbull next year - but 4 is not that many - especially if we integrate Reeves and Branco into the first team as replacements before they go . Then we may only be looking at 1 CB and 1 LWBK to replace - which is not a major issue . Others leaving is chrystal ball territory and we just have to see how that pans out[/p][/quote]Agree crystal ball territory but history shows we are likely to have a large turnover. So many variable between now and then - 1) Will Power still be here? 2) WIll Cooper still be here? 3) What division will we be in? 4) What will the financial situation be like? 5) Form of the crown jewels - Luongo and Kasim both started well then faded last year. A repeat may put off current admirers 6) Potential new crown jewels stepping up - eg Branco, Gladwin, Reeves, Rogers, Barker - may be preferable to sell them 7) Current admirers like Steve Evans - will he still be Rotherham manager if they struggle this season? Wilesy
  • Score: -2

1:09pm Fri 5 Sep 14

Davidsyrett says...

Jock, it's a successful and entertaining side that puts bums on seats, I don't think many worry whether the players are here on loan or not. Lets face it if Beckham was loaned to us for a month I'm sure we would get capacity crowds every time he played.
No-one knows what the future holds for the team so I suggest we all enjoy whats on offer at the moment, and hope that we're near the top in January so no players will want to leave.
Jock, it's a successful and entertaining side that puts bums on seats, I don't think many worry whether the players are here on loan or not. Lets face it if Beckham was loaned to us for a month I'm sure we would get capacity crowds every time he played. No-one knows what the future holds for the team so I suggest we all enjoy whats on offer at the moment, and hope that we're near the top in January so no players will want to leave. Davidsyrett
  • Score: 10

1:16pm Fri 5 Sep 14

you gots ta be kidding me says...

I accept fully that clubs like us have to sell players to achieve a break even unless you have a wealthy owner, but Fitton worked that by selling a decent player and by replacing with a potential talent.

I think the Louie deal is a good one for both player and us, what concerns me is when you are replacing 7/8 players each season, you do not get the same level of understanding and performance from day 1 if you replace half the squad each year.

For instance, look at our defence and out of five defenders three are loans and two are out of contract at the end of the season, we could be in a position next year where we have a completely new back line.

I accept our transfer policy and am pleased with our two signings who will both add to the squad, my only point is that other teams have a blend of youth and experience with similar budget to us.

I get that by loaning a player like stephens we are getting a defender of a quality that we can not afford, but why couldn't we sign another raw talent like Gladwin or Branco who will, by training at a professional club be learning and developing ready for next year.

It seems we cover off midfield replacements but not defence or strikers.
I accept fully that clubs like us have to sell players to achieve a break even unless you have a wealthy owner, but Fitton worked that by selling a decent player and by replacing with a potential talent. I think the Louie deal is a good one for both player and us, what concerns me is when you are replacing 7/8 players each season, you do not get the same level of understanding and performance from day 1 if you replace half the squad each year. For instance, look at our defence and out of five defenders three are loans and two are out of contract at the end of the season, we could be in a position next year where we have a completely new back line. I accept our transfer policy and am pleased with our two signings who will both add to the squad, my only point is that other teams have a blend of youth and experience with similar budget to us. I get that by loaning a player like stephens we are getting a defender of a quality that we can not afford, but why couldn't we sign another raw talent like Gladwin or Branco who will, by training at a professional club be learning and developing ready for next year. It seems we cover off midfield replacements but not defence or strikers. you gots ta be kidding me
  • Score: 1

1:35pm Fri 5 Sep 14

newburymike says...

I wonder if we are going to do any business when the emergency loan window opens (Monday I think)
I wonder if we are going to do any business when the emergency loan window opens (Monday I think) newburymike
  • Score: 0

2:36pm Fri 5 Sep 14

Oi Den! says...

London Red wrote:
It's bad enough when posters don't do any research but the paper is unacceptable!
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Lets get one thing clear these 4 can NOT all be snapped up for free at the end of the season!
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1 - Wes signed a deal with an option for a third season - next season - so even if he wants to leave we can do a "Flint" and get a fee - won't be million+ but will still be a few hundred thousand
.
2 - Byrne will only just have turned 23 when his contract expires - so as long as we offer him a new deal any club signing him will have to pay compensation - ala Collins or Troy
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3 - Williams is NOT a key part of the squad - he started the season on the bench and now Obika has signed will return there!
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He is on big wages and Power will be more than happy for him to leave
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So yes we have a risk of losing Nathan Thompson for free - but we have months to have contract talks and as a local lad and captain - that shouldn't be too much of an issue - especially as he will have seen first hand how we won't stop him progressing his career if the right offer comes in
LR, I'm sure Williams will be pleased to learn that you have decided he's not a key part of the squad! I would say he is very much a key part of the squad and of Cooper's plans. It was players with his attitude and application that we were missing last season when the going got tough. We have no idea what Obika's game or attitude will be like yet. It's absurd to say that he will automatically be more a more important player than Williams.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: It's bad enough when posters don't do any research but the paper is unacceptable! . Lets get one thing clear these 4 can NOT all be snapped up for free at the end of the season! . 1 - Wes signed a deal with an option for a third season - next season - so even if he wants to leave we can do a "Flint" and get a fee - won't be million+ but will still be a few hundred thousand . 2 - Byrne will only just have turned 23 when his contract expires - so as long as we offer him a new deal any club signing him will have to pay compensation - ala Collins or Troy . 3 - Williams is NOT a key part of the squad - he started the season on the bench and now Obika has signed will return there! . He is on big wages and Power will be more than happy for him to leave . So yes we have a risk of losing Nathan Thompson for free - but we have months to have contract talks and as a local lad and captain - that shouldn't be too much of an issue - especially as he will have seen first hand how we won't stop him progressing his career if the right offer comes in[/p][/quote]LR, I'm sure Williams will be pleased to learn that you have decided he's not a key part of the squad! I would say he is very much a key part of the squad and of Cooper's plans. It was players with his attitude and application that we were missing last season when the going got tough. We have no idea what Obika's game or attitude will be like yet. It's absurd to say that he will automatically be more a more important player than Williams. Oi Den!
  • Score: 6

3:08pm Fri 5 Sep 14

London Red says...

Oi Den! wrote:
London Red wrote:
It's bad enough when posters don't do any research but the paper is unacceptable!
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Lets get one thing clear these 4 can NOT all be snapped up for free at the end of the season!
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1 - Wes signed a deal with an option for a third season - next season - so even if he wants to leave we can do a "Flint" and get a fee - won't be million+ but will still be a few hundred thousand
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2 - Byrne will only just have turned 23 when his contract expires - so as long as we offer him a new deal any club signing him will have to pay compensation - ala Collins or Troy
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3 - Williams is NOT a key part of the squad - he started the season on the bench and now Obika has signed will return there!
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He is on big wages and Power will be more than happy for him to leave
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So yes we have a risk of losing Nathan Thompson for free - but we have months to have contract talks and as a local lad and captain - that shouldn't be too much of an issue - especially as he will have seen first hand how we won't stop him progressing his career if the right offer comes in
LR, I'm sure Williams will be pleased to learn that you have decided he's not a key part of the squad! I would say he is very much a key part of the squad and of Cooper's plans. It was players with his attitude and application that we were missing last season when the going got tough. We have no idea what Obika's game or attitude will be like yet. It's absurd to say that he will automatically be more a more important player than Williams.
We shall see starting with Bradford - but I'm pretty certain Obika will be in the starting line up and Williams will not!
.
You don't spend £400k on strikers and then leave them out!
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Plus Cooper has said he has been chasing Obika since last season - so doubt he will not want to play now he finally has him
.
Williams will be part of the squad - but he is not a key member to it whether you like it or not - I will be shocked if he gets another deal!
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: It's bad enough when posters don't do any research but the paper is unacceptable! . Lets get one thing clear these 4 can NOT all be snapped up for free at the end of the season! . 1 - Wes signed a deal with an option for a third season - next season - so even if he wants to leave we can do a "Flint" and get a fee - won't be million+ but will still be a few hundred thousand . 2 - Byrne will only just have turned 23 when his contract expires - so as long as we offer him a new deal any club signing him will have to pay compensation - ala Collins or Troy . 3 - Williams is NOT a key part of the squad - he started the season on the bench and now Obika has signed will return there! . He is on big wages and Power will be more than happy for him to leave . So yes we have a risk of losing Nathan Thompson for free - but we have months to have contract talks and as a local lad and captain - that shouldn't be too much of an issue - especially as he will have seen first hand how we won't stop him progressing his career if the right offer comes in[/p][/quote]LR, I'm sure Williams will be pleased to learn that you have decided he's not a key part of the squad! I would say he is very much a key part of the squad and of Cooper's plans. It was players with his attitude and application that we were missing last season when the going got tough. We have no idea what Obika's game or attitude will be like yet. It's absurd to say that he will automatically be more a more important player than Williams.[/p][/quote]We shall see starting with Bradford - but I'm pretty certain Obika will be in the starting line up and Williams will not! . You don't spend £400k on strikers and then leave them out! . Plus Cooper has said he has been chasing Obika since last season - so doubt he will not want to play now he finally has him . Williams will be part of the squad - but he is not a key member to it whether you like it or not - I will be shocked if he gets another deal! London Red
  • Score: 0

3:10pm Fri 5 Sep 14

Old Town says...

The Jockster wrote:
LR - the rub is that they could all go "one way or another". Add in LT, who if he continues to develop, is unlikely to be released for a second loan spell by Norwich, and we're back to the scenario where together with other loans we have to start the re-build process again as we did last year and this year and probably indefinitely.
It is surely this continual over reliance on loans and selling our best players that has and will continue to affect "bums on seats" because of the frustration it provides to some folk.
The only way around it, it seems is to actually get promoted in the season while all the preferred players are at the club. Obviously I hope that happens for us this time because last season for whatever reasons we had a great chance of at least the play offs and we blew it.
I know the use of the loan system is probably vital to lower tier clubs but that doesn't mean I have to like it.
The best way of encouraging more people through the turnstiles is to produce a sustained run of purposeful attacking attractive football with the end result of plenty of goal attempts ending up in the onion bag.
Let's hope The Power and Cooperman have now got the right blend of players to start that process.
Jock I have to pull you up on the last bit of your post ?!?

'Let's hope The Power and Cooperman have now got the right blend of players to START that process' ???

Have you seen any games this season ? I believe our average stats are around 65% possession ! We have produced more shots on goal than any other team in the division

No team in our division has scored more goals than us

In fact, out of all 72 Football League teams, only 5 have scored more goals than us......

We are playing open, fluid, attacking football using a really patient build up and keeping hold of the ball

What more do we need to do in order to get 'bums on seats' ?

It cannot possibly be the football itself stopping people from going - any real football fan, no matter who they support would enjoy watching us play !!
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: LR - the rub is that they could all go "one way or another". Add in LT, who if he continues to develop, is unlikely to be released for a second loan spell by Norwich, and we're back to the scenario where together with other loans we have to start the re-build process again as we did last year and this year and probably indefinitely. It is surely this continual over reliance on loans and selling our best players that has and will continue to affect "bums on seats" because of the frustration it provides to some folk. The only way around it, it seems is to actually get promoted in the season while all the preferred players are at the club. Obviously I hope that happens for us this time because last season for whatever reasons we had a great chance of at least the play offs and we blew it. I know the use of the loan system is probably vital to lower tier clubs but that doesn't mean I have to like it. The best way of encouraging more people through the turnstiles is to produce a sustained run of purposeful attacking attractive football with the end result of plenty of goal attempts ending up in the onion bag. Let's hope The Power and Cooperman have now got the right blend of players to start that process.[/p][/quote]Jock I have to pull you up on the last bit of your post ?!? 'Let's hope The Power and Cooperman have now got the right blend of players to START that process' ??? Have you seen any games this season ? I believe our average stats are around 65% possession ! We have produced more shots on goal than any other team in the division No team in our division has scored more goals than us In fact, out of all 72 Football League teams, only 5 have scored more goals than us...... We are playing open, fluid, attacking football using a really patient build up and keeping hold of the ball What more do we need to do in order to get 'bums on seats' ? It cannot possibly be the football itself stopping people from going - any real football fan, no matter who they support would enjoy watching us play !! Old Town
  • Score: 16

3:14pm Fri 5 Sep 14

Wilesy says...

Oi Den! wrote:
London Red wrote:
It's bad enough when posters don't do any research but the paper is unacceptable!
.
Lets get one thing clear these 4 can NOT all be snapped up for free at the end of the season!
.
1 - Wes signed a deal with an option for a third season - next season - so even if he wants to leave we can do a "Flint" and get a fee - won't be million+ but will still be a few hundred thousand
.
2 - Byrne will only just have turned 23 when his contract expires - so as long as we offer him a new deal any club signing him will have to pay compensation - ala Collins or Troy
.
3 - Williams is NOT a key part of the squad - he started the season on the bench and now Obika has signed will return there!
.
He is on big wages and Power will be more than happy for him to leave
.
So yes we have a risk of losing Nathan Thompson for free - but we have months to have contract talks and as a local lad and captain - that shouldn't be too much of an issue - especially as he will have seen first hand how we won't stop him progressing his career if the right offer comes in
LR, I'm sure Williams will be pleased to learn that you have decided he's not a key part of the squad! I would say he is very much a key part of the squad and of Cooper's plans. It was players with his attitude and application that we were missing last season when the going got tough. We have no idea what Obika's game or attitude will be like yet. It's absurd to say that he will automatically be more a more important player than Williams.
I think Williams is an important part of the squad but only by default. Power would surely be delighted to lose his mega wage which must be double anyone else's but no-one has come in for him. With the shortage in numbers and Gladwin not setting the world on fire up front Cooper has had little choice but to play him. 2 great goals so far this season and he's playing very well, but don't expect his contract to get renewed. I expect he will head back to Yeovil on 'normal' money.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: It's bad enough when posters don't do any research but the paper is unacceptable! . Lets get one thing clear these 4 can NOT all be snapped up for free at the end of the season! . 1 - Wes signed a deal with an option for a third season - next season - so even if he wants to leave we can do a "Flint" and get a fee - won't be million+ but will still be a few hundred thousand . 2 - Byrne will only just have turned 23 when his contract expires - so as long as we offer him a new deal any club signing him will have to pay compensation - ala Collins or Troy . 3 - Williams is NOT a key part of the squad - he started the season on the bench and now Obika has signed will return there! . He is on big wages and Power will be more than happy for him to leave . So yes we have a risk of losing Nathan Thompson for free - but we have months to have contract talks and as a local lad and captain - that shouldn't be too much of an issue - especially as he will have seen first hand how we won't stop him progressing his career if the right offer comes in[/p][/quote]LR, I'm sure Williams will be pleased to learn that you have decided he's not a key part of the squad! I would say he is very much a key part of the squad and of Cooper's plans. It was players with his attitude and application that we were missing last season when the going got tough. We have no idea what Obika's game or attitude will be like yet. It's absurd to say that he will automatically be more a more important player than Williams.[/p][/quote]I think Williams is an important part of the squad but only by default. Power would surely be delighted to lose his mega wage which must be double anyone else's but no-one has come in for him. With the shortage in numbers and Gladwin not setting the world on fire up front Cooper has had little choice but to play him. 2 great goals so far this season and he's playing very well, but don't expect his contract to get renewed. I expect he will head back to Yeovil on 'normal' money. Wilesy
  • Score: 1

3:17pm Fri 5 Sep 14

Oi Den! says...

As you say LR, we shall see. What if Williams has a great run of form (he's not done badly so far) and Obika struggles? Much too early to say who is key and who is not. It all depends on form. You don't keep playing someone just because he cost money. You play him because he deserves his place.
As you say LR, we shall see. What if Williams has a great run of form (he's not done badly so far) and Obika struggles? Much too early to say who is key and who is not. It all depends on form. You don't keep playing someone just because he cost money. You play him because he deserves his place. Oi Den!
  • Score: 3

3:21pm Fri 5 Sep 14

Oi Den! says...

Wilesy wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
London Red wrote:
It's bad enough when posters don't do any research but the paper is unacceptable!
.
Lets get one thing clear these 4 can NOT all be snapped up for free at the end of the season!
.
1 - Wes signed a deal with an option for a third season - next season - so even if he wants to leave we can do a "Flint" and get a fee - won't be million+ but will still be a few hundred thousand
.
2 - Byrne will only just have turned 23 when his contract expires - so as long as we offer him a new deal any club signing him will have to pay compensation - ala Collins or Troy
.
3 - Williams is NOT a key part of the squad - he started the season on the bench and now Obika has signed will return there!
.
He is on big wages and Power will be more than happy for him to leave
.
So yes we have a risk of losing Nathan Thompson for free - but we have months to have contract talks and as a local lad and captain - that shouldn't be too much of an issue - especially as he will have seen first hand how we won't stop him progressing his career if the right offer comes in
LR, I'm sure Williams will be pleased to learn that you have decided he's not a key part of the squad! I would say he is very much a key part of the squad and of Cooper's plans. It was players with his attitude and application that we were missing last season when the going got tough. We have no idea what Obika's game or attitude will be like yet. It's absurd to say that he will automatically be more a more important player than Williams.
I think Williams is an important part of the squad but only by default. Power would surely be delighted to lose his mega wage which must be double anyone else's but no-one has come in for him. With the shortage in numbers and Gladwin not setting the world on fire up front Cooper has had little choice but to play him. 2 great goals so far this season and he's playing very well, but don't expect his contract to get renewed. I expect he will head back to Yeovil on 'normal' money.
Your last sentence may be spot on Wilesy but if Williams is delivering the goods, what's to stop us offering him a deal on "normal" money or, heaven forbid, paying him a little bit more than that to keep him?
[quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: It's bad enough when posters don't do any research but the paper is unacceptable! . Lets get one thing clear these 4 can NOT all be snapped up for free at the end of the season! . 1 - Wes signed a deal with an option for a third season - next season - so even if he wants to leave we can do a "Flint" and get a fee - won't be million+ but will still be a few hundred thousand . 2 - Byrne will only just have turned 23 when his contract expires - so as long as we offer him a new deal any club signing him will have to pay compensation - ala Collins or Troy . 3 - Williams is NOT a key part of the squad - he started the season on the bench and now Obika has signed will return there! . He is on big wages and Power will be more than happy for him to leave . So yes we have a risk of losing Nathan Thompson for free - but we have months to have contract talks and as a local lad and captain - that shouldn't be too much of an issue - especially as he will have seen first hand how we won't stop him progressing his career if the right offer comes in[/p][/quote]LR, I'm sure Williams will be pleased to learn that you have decided he's not a key part of the squad! I would say he is very much a key part of the squad and of Cooper's plans. It was players with his attitude and application that we were missing last season when the going got tough. We have no idea what Obika's game or attitude will be like yet. It's absurd to say that he will automatically be more a more important player than Williams.[/p][/quote]I think Williams is an important part of the squad but only by default. Power would surely be delighted to lose his mega wage which must be double anyone else's but no-one has come in for him. With the shortage in numbers and Gladwin not setting the world on fire up front Cooper has had little choice but to play him. 2 great goals so far this season and he's playing very well, but don't expect his contract to get renewed. I expect he will head back to Yeovil on 'normal' money.[/p][/quote]Your last sentence may be spot on Wilesy but if Williams is delivering the goods, what's to stop us offering him a deal on "normal" money or, heaven forbid, paying him a little bit more than that to keep him? Oi Den!
  • Score: 1

3:33pm Fri 5 Sep 14

Wilesy says...

Old Town wrote:
The Jockster wrote:
LR - the rub is that they could all go "one way or another". Add in LT, who if he continues to develop, is unlikely to be released for a second loan spell by Norwich, and we're back to the scenario where together with other loans we have to start the re-build process again as we did last year and this year and probably indefinitely.
It is surely this continual over reliance on loans and selling our best players that has and will continue to affect "bums on seats" because of the frustration it provides to some folk.
The only way around it, it seems is to actually get promoted in the season while all the preferred players are at the club. Obviously I hope that happens for us this time because last season for whatever reasons we had a great chance of at least the play offs and we blew it.
I know the use of the loan system is probably vital to lower tier clubs but that doesn't mean I have to like it.
The best way of encouraging more people through the turnstiles is to produce a sustained run of purposeful attacking attractive football with the end result of plenty of goal attempts ending up in the onion bag.
Let's hope The Power and Cooperman have now got the right blend of players to start that process.
Jock I have to pull you up on the last bit of your post ?!?

'Let's hope The Power and Cooperman have now got the right blend of players to START that process' ???

Have you seen any games this season ? I believe our average stats are around 65% possession ! We have produced more shots on goal than any other team in the division

No team in our division has scored more goals than us

In fact, out of all 72 Football League teams, only 5 have scored more goals than us......

We are playing open, fluid, attacking football using a really patient build up and keeping hold of the ball

What more do we need to do in order to get 'bums on seats' ?

It cannot possibly be the football itself stopping people from going - any real football fan, no matter who they support would enjoy watching us play !!
If people aren't happy with the entertainment on show this season I don't think they ever will be. If we win 5-0 some will moan it should have been 6-0.

We need to improve defensively, clearly, and the standard of crossing needs to improve to give the strikers better chances, but apart from that August has been a superb display of how to play 3-5-2. League 1 don't forget.

The more I think about it the less I care whether players are loans or perms. It makes no odds - we have a squad of players out there all wearing the Swindon shirt putting in a shift and trying their hearts out I don't think any less of Louis now he is a Norwich player and I can't believe even 1 person will now not attend as a result.
[quote][p][bold]Old Town[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: LR - the rub is that they could all go "one way or another". Add in LT, who if he continues to develop, is unlikely to be released for a second loan spell by Norwich, and we're back to the scenario where together with other loans we have to start the re-build process again as we did last year and this year and probably indefinitely. It is surely this continual over reliance on loans and selling our best players that has and will continue to affect "bums on seats" because of the frustration it provides to some folk. The only way around it, it seems is to actually get promoted in the season while all the preferred players are at the club. Obviously I hope that happens for us this time because last season for whatever reasons we had a great chance of at least the play offs and we blew it. I know the use of the loan system is probably vital to lower tier clubs but that doesn't mean I have to like it. The best way of encouraging more people through the turnstiles is to produce a sustained run of purposeful attacking attractive football with the end result of plenty of goal attempts ending up in the onion bag. Let's hope The Power and Cooperman have now got the right blend of players to start that process.[/p][/quote]Jock I have to pull you up on the last bit of your post ?!? 'Let's hope The Power and Cooperman have now got the right blend of players to START that process' ??? Have you seen any games this season ? I believe our average stats are around 65% possession ! We have produced more shots on goal than any other team in the division No team in our division has scored more goals than us In fact, out of all 72 Football League teams, only 5 have scored more goals than us...... We are playing open, fluid, attacking football using a really patient build up and keeping hold of the ball What more do we need to do in order to get 'bums on seats' ? It cannot possibly be the football itself stopping people from going - any real football fan, no matter who they support would enjoy watching us play !![/p][/quote]If people aren't happy with the entertainment on show this season I don't think they ever will be. If we win 5-0 some will moan it should have been 6-0. We need to improve defensively, clearly, and the standard of crossing needs to improve to give the strikers better chances, but apart from that August has been a superb display of how to play 3-5-2. League 1 don't forget. The more I think about it the less I care whether players are loans or perms. It makes no odds - we have a squad of players out there all wearing the Swindon shirt putting in a shift and trying their hearts out I don't think any less of Louis now he is a Norwich player and I can't believe even 1 person will now not attend as a result. Wilesy
  • Score: 10

3:47pm Fri 5 Sep 14

Wilesy says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Wilesy wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
London Red wrote:
It's bad enough when posters don't do any research but the paper is unacceptable!
.
Lets get one thing clear these 4 can NOT all be snapped up for free at the end of the season!
.
1 - Wes signed a deal with an option for a third season - next season - so even if he wants to leave we can do a "Flint" and get a fee - won't be million+ but will still be a few hundred thousand
.
2 - Byrne will only just have turned 23 when his contract expires - so as long as we offer him a new deal any club signing him will have to pay compensation - ala Collins or Troy
.
3 - Williams is NOT a key part of the squad - he started the season on the bench and now Obika has signed will return there!
.
He is on big wages and Power will be more than happy for him to leave
.
So yes we have a risk of losing Nathan Thompson for free - but we have months to have contract talks and as a local lad and captain - that shouldn't be too much of an issue - especially as he will have seen first hand how we won't stop him progressing his career if the right offer comes in
LR, I'm sure Williams will be pleased to learn that you have decided he's not a key part of the squad! I would say he is very much a key part of the squad and of Cooper's plans. It was players with his attitude and application that we were missing last season when the going got tough. We have no idea what Obika's game or attitude will be like yet. It's absurd to say that he will automatically be more a more important player than Williams.
I think Williams is an important part of the squad but only by default. Power would surely be delighted to lose his mega wage which must be double anyone else's but no-one has come in for him. With the shortage in numbers and Gladwin not setting the world on fire up front Cooper has had little choice but to play him. 2 great goals so far this season and he's playing very well, but don't expect his contract to get renewed. I expect he will head back to Yeovil on 'normal' money.
Your last sentence may be spot on Wilesy but if Williams is delivering the goods, what's to stop us offering him a deal on "normal" money or, heaven forbid, paying him a little bit more than that to keep him?
Just don't think he will be a Swindon player next season. Cooper sent him out on loan last season and he doesn't look to be first choice this season from what we've seen. Also think if he is offered a new contract on worse money he will likely feel undervalued and look elsewhere, like we've seen with Macca and Troy, where another club is sure to trump whatever package we offer.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: It's bad enough when posters don't do any research but the paper is unacceptable! . Lets get one thing clear these 4 can NOT all be snapped up for free at the end of the season! . 1 - Wes signed a deal with an option for a third season - next season - so even if he wants to leave we can do a "Flint" and get a fee - won't be million+ but will still be a few hundred thousand . 2 - Byrne will only just have turned 23 when his contract expires - so as long as we offer him a new deal any club signing him will have to pay compensation - ala Collins or Troy . 3 - Williams is NOT a key part of the squad - he started the season on the bench and now Obika has signed will return there! . He is on big wages and Power will be more than happy for him to leave . So yes we have a risk of losing Nathan Thompson for free - but we have months to have contract talks and as a local lad and captain - that shouldn't be too much of an issue - especially as he will have seen first hand how we won't stop him progressing his career if the right offer comes in[/p][/quote]LR, I'm sure Williams will be pleased to learn that you have decided he's not a key part of the squad! I would say he is very much a key part of the squad and of Cooper's plans. It was players with his attitude and application that we were missing last season when the going got tough. We have no idea what Obika's game or attitude will be like yet. It's absurd to say that he will automatically be more a more important player than Williams.[/p][/quote]I think Williams is an important part of the squad but only by default. Power would surely be delighted to lose his mega wage which must be double anyone else's but no-one has come in for him. With the shortage in numbers and Gladwin not setting the world on fire up front Cooper has had little choice but to play him. 2 great goals so far this season and he's playing very well, but don't expect his contract to get renewed. I expect he will head back to Yeovil on 'normal' money.[/p][/quote]Your last sentence may be spot on Wilesy but if Williams is delivering the goods, what's to stop us offering him a deal on "normal" money or, heaven forbid, paying him a little bit more than that to keep him?[/p][/quote]Just don't think he will be a Swindon player next season. Cooper sent him out on loan last season and he doesn't look to be first choice this season from what we've seen. Also think if he is offered a new contract on worse money he will likely feel undervalued and look elsewhere, like we've seen with Macca and Troy, where another club is sure to trump whatever package we offer. Wilesy
  • Score: 2

4:03pm Fri 5 Sep 14

Oi Den! says...

Wilesy, I sometimes wonder how Williams has the heart to play with as much conviction as he does. He's just come back from a major injury, has put in some great shifts and scored goals, and yet it's constantly assumed he's at the door of the departure lounge. It's about time ALL Town players were given a fair crack of the whip. I imagine Foderingham is on a pretty good whack too but I don't hear any suggestion that he needs to be moved on because of it. If Williams is offered a deal on reduced terms I doubt if he'll feel any more undervalued than he does at the moment.
Wilesy, I sometimes wonder how Williams has the heart to play with as much conviction as he does. He's just come back from a major injury, has put in some great shifts and scored goals, and yet it's constantly assumed he's at the door of the departure lounge. It's about time ALL Town players were given a fair crack of the whip. I imagine Foderingham is on a pretty good whack too but I don't hear any suggestion that he needs to be moved on because of it. If Williams is offered a deal on reduced terms I doubt if he'll feel any more undervalued than he does at the moment. Oi Den!
  • Score: 6

4:15pm Fri 5 Sep 14

London Red says...

Big difference is Foderingham was offered a new contract by Power so will be on a level which is sustainable
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Foderingham has also "earned" his pay by putting in stunning performances for 3 seasons in a row
Big difference is Foderingham was offered a new contract by Power so will be on a level which is sustainable . Foderingham has also "earned" his pay by putting in stunning performances for 3 seasons in a row London Red
  • Score: 8

4:29pm Fri 5 Sep 14

lifelong red says...

I agree with the above comment - it doesn't matter to me either whether its loans or perms as long as their giving there all for the shirt , and that is exactly what their doing at the mo as well as playing some superb football - I don't think that as a fan you could expect much more - so my message to the stay aways is if your cicumstances allow and I repeat if your circumstances allow come down to the C.G. and witness for yourselves I'm sure you wont be disappointed .
I agree with the above comment - it doesn't matter to me either whether its loans or perms as long as their giving there all for the shirt , and that is exactly what their doing at the mo as well as playing some superb football - I don't think that as a fan you could expect much more - so my message to the stay aways is if your cicumstances allow and I repeat if your circumstances allow come down to the C.G. and witness for yourselves I'm sure you wont be disappointed . lifelong red
  • Score: 8

5:01pm Fri 5 Sep 14

Oi Den! says...

London Red wrote:
Big difference is Foderingham was offered a new contract by Power so will be on a level which is sustainable
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Foderingham has also "earned" his pay by putting in stunning performances for 3 seasons in a row
So Power could do the same with Williams, couldn't he?

I'm not criticising Fodders. Now that Louis Thompson's been sold, he's our one true star asset. However, if you're suggesting that Williams hasn't earned his money, I fail to see how you reach that conclusion and I think it's a gross insult to the player. There are players in our squad who disappeared for several games last season (thereby not earning their money) and now they are getting rave reviews. Let's have a clean slate - and let's see how every player fares before deciding who's key and who's not. Every outfield place is up for grabs.

Another thought - if we assume Obika stays with us for 2 years, he's costing us 2 grand a week without kicking a ball and before picking up his wages. I back the manager's judgment of him, which doesn't mean I write off Williams or Smith. It would be very disappointing to think that Cooper has done that.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Big difference is Foderingham was offered a new contract by Power so will be on a level which is sustainable . Foderingham has also "earned" his pay by putting in stunning performances for 3 seasons in a row[/p][/quote]So Power could do the same with Williams, couldn't he? I'm not criticising Fodders. Now that Louis Thompson's been sold, he's our one true star asset. However, if you're suggesting that Williams hasn't earned his money, I fail to see how you reach that conclusion and I think it's a gross insult to the player. There are players in our squad who disappeared for several games last season (thereby not earning their money) and now they are getting rave reviews. Let's have a clean slate - and let's see how every player fares before deciding who's key and who's not. Every outfield place is up for grabs. Another thought - if we assume Obika stays with us for 2 years, he's costing us 2 grand a week without kicking a ball and before picking up his wages. I back the manager's judgment of him, which doesn't mean I write off Williams or Smith. It would be very disappointing to think that Cooper has done that. Oi Den!
  • Score: 2

5:19pm Fri 5 Sep 14

The Jockster says...

Old Town wrote:
The Jockster wrote:
LR - the rub is that they could all go "one way or another". Add in LT, who if he continues to develop, is unlikely to be released for a second loan spell by Norwich, and we're back to the scenario where together with other loans we have to start the re-build process again as we did last year and this year and probably indefinitely.
It is surely this continual over reliance on loans and selling our best players that has and will continue to affect "bums on seats" because of the frustration it provides to some folk.
The only way around it, it seems is to actually get promoted in the season while all the preferred players are at the club. Obviously I hope that happens for us this time because last season for whatever reasons we had a great chance of at least the play offs and we blew it.
I know the use of the loan system is probably vital to lower tier clubs but that doesn't mean I have to like it.
The best way of encouraging more people through the turnstiles is to produce a sustained run of purposeful attacking attractive football with the end result of plenty of goal attempts ending up in the onion bag.
Let's hope The Power and Cooperman have now got the right blend of players to start that process.
Jock I have to pull you up on the last bit of your post ?!?

'Let's hope The Power and Cooperman have now got the right blend of players to START that process' ???

Have you seen any games this season ? I believe our average stats are around 65% possession ! We have produced more shots on goal than any other team in the division

No team in our division has scored more goals than us

In fact, out of all 72 Football League teams, only 5 have scored more goals than us......

We are playing open, fluid, attacking football using a really patient build up and keeping hold of the ball

What more do we need to do in order to get 'bums on seats' ?

It cannot possibly be the football itself stopping people from going - any real football fan, no matter who they support would enjoy watching us play !!
Old Town - what I meant by my last sentence was now Cooper appears to have the final jigsaw pieces in place that we will benefit from those additions to our squad by scoring more goals and conceding less. At times this season we have impressed with our style of football and at others perhaps flattered to deceive - I've seen Scunny, Luton, Crewe and Brighton so far and for all the possession and inter-passing actual goal attempts on target were sometimes lacking. My comment was geared to us now scoring more goals ( if Obika is the answer? ) -Smith has hardly been prolific despite netting four times (2 in cup) and Wilma is Wilma despite playing very well to date with limited opportunity. At the back Stephens is there to plug the gap through the middle - where does that leave NT? Byrne can't be dropped on his form to date surely? But do you drop your captain who at times is reckless hot headed and almost guaranteed to be carded perhaps one game in two.
You also mention most shots on goal - was it Crewe where we had 26 attempts but only 7 on target? We've had a good start but there's still room for improvement on the finishing stakes and isn't the pressure now on Obika to hit the ground running and score from day one-three or four games without doing so and the knives will be out.
[quote][p][bold]Old Town[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: LR - the rub is that they could all go "one way or another". Add in LT, who if he continues to develop, is unlikely to be released for a second loan spell by Norwich, and we're back to the scenario where together with other loans we have to start the re-build process again as we did last year and this year and probably indefinitely. It is surely this continual over reliance on loans and selling our best players that has and will continue to affect "bums on seats" because of the frustration it provides to some folk. The only way around it, it seems is to actually get promoted in the season while all the preferred players are at the club. Obviously I hope that happens for us this time because last season for whatever reasons we had a great chance of at least the play offs and we blew it. I know the use of the loan system is probably vital to lower tier clubs but that doesn't mean I have to like it. The best way of encouraging more people through the turnstiles is to produce a sustained run of purposeful attacking attractive football with the end result of plenty of goal attempts ending up in the onion bag. Let's hope The Power and Cooperman have now got the right blend of players to start that process.[/p][/quote]Jock I have to pull you up on the last bit of your post ?!? 'Let's hope The Power and Cooperman have now got the right blend of players to START that process' ??? Have you seen any games this season ? I believe our average stats are around 65% possession ! We have produced more shots on goal than any other team in the division No team in our division has scored more goals than us In fact, out of all 72 Football League teams, only 5 have scored more goals than us...... We are playing open, fluid, attacking football using a really patient build up and keeping hold of the ball What more do we need to do in order to get 'bums on seats' ? It cannot possibly be the football itself stopping people from going - any real football fan, no matter who they support would enjoy watching us play !![/p][/quote]Old Town - what I meant by my last sentence was now Cooper appears to have the final jigsaw pieces in place that we will benefit from those additions to our squad by scoring more goals and conceding less. At times this season we have impressed with our style of football and at others perhaps flattered to deceive - I've seen Scunny, Luton, Crewe and Brighton so far and for all the possession and inter-passing actual goal attempts on target were sometimes lacking. My comment was geared to us now scoring more goals ( if Obika is the answer? ) -Smith has hardly been prolific despite netting four times (2 in cup) and Wilma is Wilma despite playing very well to date with limited opportunity. At the back Stephens is there to plug the gap through the middle - where does that leave NT? Byrne can't be dropped on his form to date surely? But do you drop your captain who at times is reckless hot headed and almost guaranteed to be carded perhaps one game in two. You also mention most shots on goal - was it Crewe where we had 26 attempts but only 7 on target? We've had a good start but there's still room for improvement on the finishing stakes and isn't the pressure now on Obika to hit the ground running and score from day one-three or four games without doing so and the knives will be out. The Jockster
  • Score: 2

6:17pm Fri 5 Sep 14

umpcah says...

The Jockster wrote:
Old Town wrote:
The Jockster wrote:
LR - the rub is that they could all go "one way or another". Add in LT, who if he continues to develop, is unlikely to be released for a second loan spell by Norwich, and we're back to the scenario where together with other loans we have to start the re-build process again as we did last year and this year and probably indefinitely.
It is surely this continual over reliance on loans and selling our best players that has and will continue to affect "bums on seats" because of the frustration it provides to some folk.
The only way around it, it seems is to actually get promoted in the season while all the preferred players are at the club. Obviously I hope that happens for us this time because last season for whatever reasons we had a great chance of at least the play offs and we blew it.
I know the use of the loan system is probably vital to lower tier clubs but that doesn't mean I have to like it.
The best way of encouraging more people through the turnstiles is to produce a sustained run of purposeful attacking attractive football with the end result of plenty of goal attempts ending up in the onion bag.
Let's hope The Power and Cooperman have now got the right blend of players to start that process.
Jock I have to pull you up on the last bit of your post ?!?

'Let's hope The Power and Cooperman have now got the right blend of players to START that process' ???

Have you seen any games this season ? I believe our average stats are around 65% possession ! We have produced more shots on goal than any other team in the division

No team in our division has scored more goals than us

In fact, out of all 72 Football League teams, only 5 have scored more goals than us......

We are playing open, fluid, attacking football using a really patient build up and keeping hold of the ball

What more do we need to do in order to get 'bums on seats' ?

It cannot possibly be the football itself stopping people from going - any real football fan, no matter who they support would enjoy watching us play !!
Old Town - what I meant by my last sentence was now Cooper appears to have the final jigsaw pieces in place that we will benefit from those additions to our squad by scoring more goals and conceding less. At times this season we have impressed with our style of football and at others perhaps flattered to deceive - I've seen Scunny, Luton, Crewe and Brighton so far and for all the possession and inter-passing actual goal attempts on target were sometimes lacking. My comment was geared to us now scoring more goals ( if Obika is the answer? ) -Smith has hardly been prolific despite netting four times (2 in cup) and Wilma is Wilma despite playing very well to date with limited opportunity. At the back Stephens is there to plug the gap through the middle - where does that leave NT? Byrne can't be dropped on his form to date surely? But do you drop your captain who at times is reckless hot headed and almost guaranteed to be carded perhaps one game in two.
You also mention most shots on goal - was it Crewe where we had 26 attempts but only 7 on target? We've had a good start but there's still room for improvement on the finishing stakes and isn't the pressure now on Obika to hit the ground running and score from day one-three or four games without doing so and the knives will be out.
Isn't the pressure now on Obika to hit the ground running ? Sadly it most likely is ! However we can all remembering when Fortoft was failing to score although he was international class ! The poor lad gets my sympathy if he gets suspect service from other players.
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old Town[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: LR - the rub is that they could all go "one way or another". Add in LT, who if he continues to develop, is unlikely to be released for a second loan spell by Norwich, and we're back to the scenario where together with other loans we have to start the re-build process again as we did last year and this year and probably indefinitely. It is surely this continual over reliance on loans and selling our best players that has and will continue to affect "bums on seats" because of the frustration it provides to some folk. The only way around it, it seems is to actually get promoted in the season while all the preferred players are at the club. Obviously I hope that happens for us this time because last season for whatever reasons we had a great chance of at least the play offs and we blew it. I know the use of the loan system is probably vital to lower tier clubs but that doesn't mean I have to like it. The best way of encouraging more people through the turnstiles is to produce a sustained run of purposeful attacking attractive football with the end result of plenty of goal attempts ending up in the onion bag. Let's hope The Power and Cooperman have now got the right blend of players to start that process.[/p][/quote]Jock I have to pull you up on the last bit of your post ?!? 'Let's hope The Power and Cooperman have now got the right blend of players to START that process' ??? Have you seen any games this season ? I believe our average stats are around 65% possession ! We have produced more shots on goal than any other team in the division No team in our division has scored more goals than us In fact, out of all 72 Football League teams, only 5 have scored more goals than us...... We are playing open, fluid, attacking football using a really patient build up and keeping hold of the ball What more do we need to do in order to get 'bums on seats' ? It cannot possibly be the football itself stopping people from going - any real football fan, no matter who they support would enjoy watching us play !![/p][/quote]Old Town - what I meant by my last sentence was now Cooper appears to have the final jigsaw pieces in place that we will benefit from those additions to our squad by scoring more goals and conceding less. At times this season we have impressed with our style of football and at others perhaps flattered to deceive - I've seen Scunny, Luton, Crewe and Brighton so far and for all the possession and inter-passing actual goal attempts on target were sometimes lacking. My comment was geared to us now scoring more goals ( if Obika is the answer? ) -Smith has hardly been prolific despite netting four times (2 in cup) and Wilma is Wilma despite playing very well to date with limited opportunity. At the back Stephens is there to plug the gap through the middle - where does that leave NT? Byrne can't be dropped on his form to date surely? But do you drop your captain who at times is reckless hot headed and almost guaranteed to be carded perhaps one game in two. You also mention most shots on goal - was it Crewe where we had 26 attempts but only 7 on target? We've had a good start but there's still room for improvement on the finishing stakes and isn't the pressure now on Obika to hit the ground running and score from day one-three or four games without doing so and the knives will be out.[/p][/quote]Isn't the pressure now on Obika to hit the ground running ? Sadly it most likely is ! However we can all remembering when Fortoft was failing to score although he was international class ! The poor lad gets my sympathy if he gets suspect service from other players. umpcah
  • Score: 4

6:30pm Fri 5 Sep 14

Wilesy says...

London Red wrote:
Big difference is Foderingham was offered a new contract by Power so will be on a level which is sustainable
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Foderingham has also "earned" his pay by putting in stunning performances for 3 seasons in a row
Good point, also Wes is younger, has serious potential, therefore potentially more 'money' and therefore perhaps fits our model more than Willo.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Big difference is Foderingham was offered a new contract by Power so will be on a level which is sustainable . Foderingham has also "earned" his pay by putting in stunning performances for 3 seasons in a row[/p][/quote]Good point, also Wes is younger, has serious potential, therefore potentially more 'money' and therefore perhaps fits our model more than Willo. Wilesy
  • Score: 2

9:33pm Fri 5 Sep 14

TheDukeOfBanbury says...

The Asia cup will weaken the squad.
Hoping the stay away fans will come back but I am not convinced.
Lower league gates are down and clubs have to sell to survive.
Power if anything has tried to show some commitment at least. Biggest win was seeing the back of Del Boy and co.
Won't be easy however the division looks at least on paper not so strong this season. Time for everyone to unite, get behind our club and do our bit.
The Asia cup will weaken the squad. Hoping the stay away fans will come back but I am not convinced. Lower league gates are down and clubs have to sell to survive. Power if anything has tried to show some commitment at least. Biggest win was seeing the back of Del Boy and co. Won't be easy however the division looks at least on paper not so strong this season. Time for everyone to unite, get behind our club and do our bit. TheDukeOfBanbury
  • Score: 8

10:24pm Fri 5 Sep 14

the wizard says...

Many good and valid points above from different posters, and this thread actually makes a good debate and read, which is enjoyable.

As I read the whole bigger picture, if Power and Cooper put together one seriously better than good team and get the club promoted the better part of the picture changes with the extra TV money etc coming in. Yes wages will be more, but the whole revenue stream gets bigger and better, and a parachute payment if we come down again, hence probably Peterboroughs profit over the years as they yo-yo.

Last season was their first attempt amid a lot of other stuff going on in the back ground and it was Coopers baptism of fire leading the club at this level. I think he made a better than decent job of it and add the circumstances into the mix he came out better than any of us hoped for.

About time he gave us a wave, as he seems in his own quiet way to have won the vast majority round to his way of thinking.
Many good and valid points above from different posters, and this thread actually makes a good debate and read, which is enjoyable. As I read the whole bigger picture, if Power and Cooper put together one seriously better than good team and get the club promoted the better part of the picture changes with the extra TV money etc coming in. Yes wages will be more, but the whole revenue stream gets bigger and better, and a parachute payment if we come down again, hence probably Peterboroughs profit over the years as they yo-yo. Last season was their first attempt amid a lot of other stuff going on in the back ground and it was Coopers baptism of fire leading the club at this level. I think he made a better than decent job of it and add the circumstances into the mix he came out better than any of us hoped for. About time he gave us a wave, as he seems in his own quiet way to have won the vast majority round to his way of thinking. the wizard
  • Score: 7

2:11am Sat 6 Sep 14

perth red says...

the wizard wrote:
Many good and valid points above from different posters, and this thread actually makes a good debate and read, which is enjoyable.

As I read the whole bigger picture, if Power and Cooper put together one seriously better than good team and get the club promoted the better part of the picture changes with the extra TV money etc coming in. Yes wages will be more, but the whole revenue stream gets bigger and better, and a parachute payment if we come down again, hence probably Peterboroughs profit over the years as they yo-yo.

Last season was their first attempt amid a lot of other stuff going on in the back ground and it was Coopers baptism of fire leading the club at this level. I think he made a better than decent job of it and add the circumstances into the mix he came out better than any of us hoped for.

About time he gave us a wave, as he seems in his own quiet way to have won the vast majority round to his way of thinking.
Yes, how nice (and rare) it is to read right through a thread and see nothing but good intelligent discussion. No name calling, no abuse, no negativity. Wow! Keep it up guys.
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: Many good and valid points above from different posters, and this thread actually makes a good debate and read, which is enjoyable. As I read the whole bigger picture, if Power and Cooper put together one seriously better than good team and get the club promoted the better part of the picture changes with the extra TV money etc coming in. Yes wages will be more, but the whole revenue stream gets bigger and better, and a parachute payment if we come down again, hence probably Peterboroughs profit over the years as they yo-yo. Last season was their first attempt amid a lot of other stuff going on in the back ground and it was Coopers baptism of fire leading the club at this level. I think he made a better than decent job of it and add the circumstances into the mix he came out better than any of us hoped for. About time he gave us a wave, as he seems in his own quiet way to have won the vast majority round to his way of thinking.[/p][/quote]Yes, how nice (and rare) it is to read right through a thread and see nothing but good intelligent discussion. No name calling, no abuse, no negativity. Wow! Keep it up guys. perth red
  • Score: 8

11:46am Sat 6 Sep 14

dazzastfc says...

mancrobin wrote:
London Red wrote:
It's bad enough when posters don't do any research but the paper is unacceptable!
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Lets get one thing clear these 4 can NOT all be snapped up for free at the end of the season!
.
1 - Wes signed a deal with an option for a third season - next season - so even if he wants to leave we can do a "Flint" and get a fee - won't be million+ but will still be a few hundred thousand
.
2 - Byrne will only just have turned 23 when his contract expires - so as long as we offer him a new deal any club signing him will have to pay compensation - ala Collins or Troy
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3 - Williams is NOT a key part of the squad - he started the season on the bench and now Obika has signed will return there!
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He is on big wages and Power will be more than happy for him to leave
.
So yes we have a risk of losing Nathan Thompson for free - but we have months to have contract talks and as a local lad and captain - that shouldn't be too much of an issue - especially as he will have seen first hand how we won't stop him progressing his career if the right offer comes in
Yes, good points LR and I doubt if Lee Power is unaware. I think MC was trying to make a more general point backing up his Chairman which no doubt shows relief and appreciation.

It's interesting how much positivity was expressed towards Black Wray and DiCanio at transfer times with a wealthy Owner who didn't have clue, a star struck Chairman and out of control manager.

Not so now we have a wily Owner/Chairman and a more protracted labour for the birth of a managerial legend.
Surprised you never put Kasim in with that lot mate as the way he is playing he will have clubs very interested...

Did he sign for 2 years or longer...
[quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: It's bad enough when posters don't do any research but the paper is unacceptable! . Lets get one thing clear these 4 can NOT all be snapped up for free at the end of the season! . 1 - Wes signed a deal with an option for a third season - next season - so even if he wants to leave we can do a "Flint" and get a fee - won't be million+ but will still be a few hundred thousand . 2 - Byrne will only just have turned 23 when his contract expires - so as long as we offer him a new deal any club signing him will have to pay compensation - ala Collins or Troy . 3 - Williams is NOT a key part of the squad - he started the season on the bench and now Obika has signed will return there! . He is on big wages and Power will be more than happy for him to leave . So yes we have a risk of losing Nathan Thompson for free - but we have months to have contract talks and as a local lad and captain - that shouldn't be too much of an issue - especially as he will have seen first hand how we won't stop him progressing his career if the right offer comes in[/p][/quote]Yes, good points LR and I doubt if Lee Power is unaware. I think MC was trying to make a more general point backing up his Chairman which no doubt shows relief and appreciation. It's interesting how much positivity was expressed towards Black Wray and DiCanio at transfer times with a wealthy Owner who didn't have clue, a star struck Chairman and out of control manager. Not so now we have a wily Owner/Chairman and a more protracted labour for the birth of a managerial legend.[/p][/quote]Surprised you never put Kasim in with that lot mate as the way he is playing he will have clubs very interested... Did he sign for 2 years or longer... dazzastfc
  • Score: -2

12:25pm Sat 6 Sep 14

Oi Den! says...

Different subject... I see from the minuses I received on another thread that there are still people who believe there cannot be a foul if the ball is played.

A couple of weeks ago I mentioned that I was trying to get clarity regarding guidance to referees on the tackle from behind. I've been told by a Football League official that the general guidance and thinking now is that you cannot win the ball fairly if you tackle from behind, i.e. It is always a foul, whether the ball is won or not.

Now, we can debate for ever whether that interpretation of the rules is sensible or not - I'm not sure that it is - but we can hardly blame referees for doing what they are told. If they don't, they get demoted or "rested".
So all the criticism of the Crawley ref is unfounded. He got it right. The fact that he was some way behind the play is neither here nor there. He could see clearly enough that Thompson tacked from behind. People say the linesman must have been right because he was in line with the play. Well, either he got it wrong or he knew the ref could see it was a tackle from behind and could make is own mind up.
Different subject... I see from the minuses I received on another thread that there are still people who believe there cannot be a foul if the ball is played. A couple of weeks ago I mentioned that I was trying to get clarity regarding guidance to referees on the tackle from behind. I've been told by a Football League official that the general guidance and thinking now is that you cannot win the ball fairly if you tackle from behind, i.e. It is always a foul, whether the ball is won or not. Now, we can debate for ever whether that interpretation of the rules is sensible or not - I'm not sure that it is - but we can hardly blame referees for doing what they are told. If they don't, they get demoted or "rested". So all the criticism of the Crawley ref is unfounded. He got it right. The fact that he was some way behind the play is neither here nor there. He could see clearly enough that Thompson tacked from behind. People say the linesman must have been right because he was in line with the play. Well, either he got it wrong or he knew the ref could see it was a tackle from behind and could make is own mind up. Oi Den!
  • Score: -2

12:27pm Sat 6 Sep 14

Oi Den! says...

"... make his own mind up"
"... make his own mind up" Oi Den!
  • Score: -2

12:34pm Sat 6 Sep 14

Oi Den! says...

As a follow up on that point above, the 3 most annoying things (to me anyway) said by football pundits on the telly:

"He got the ball" (therefore it can't be a free kick/penalty).

"There was contact" (therefore it must be a free kick/penalty).

"He was entitled to go down" (because there was "contact").

All absolute rubbish.
As a follow up on that point above, the 3 most annoying things (to me anyway) said by football pundits on the telly: "He got the ball" (therefore it can't be a free kick/penalty). "There was contact" (therefore it must be a free kick/penalty). "He was entitled to go down" (because there was "contact"). All absolute rubbish. Oi Den!
  • Score: 2

1:46pm Sat 6 Sep 14

smirg kcab says...

London and den
Are you the two muppets who sit on the balcony
Waldorf and stadler (I think) lol
Good debate tho
The futures cooper
London and den Are you the two muppets who sit on the balcony Waldorf and stadler (I think) lol Good debate tho The futures cooper smirg kcab
  • Score: 0

1:57pm Sat 6 Sep 14

Oi Den! says...

That's us, Grim! Reminds me of of one of the the old muppet jokes:

"Good grief! The comedian's a bear!"

"No he's a not, he's a wearing a neckatie"

Statler: "Did you understand that joke?"
Waldorf: "No, but I don't speak Italian."
That's us, Grim! Reminds me of of one of the the old muppet jokes: "Good grief! The comedian's a bear!" "No he's a not, he's a wearing a neckatie" Statler: "Did you understand that joke?" Waldorf: "No, but I don't speak Italian." Oi Den!
  • Score: 0

5:54pm Sat 6 Sep 14

Chish and Fips says...

Oi Den! wrote:
That's us, Grim! Reminds me of of one of the the old muppet jokes:

"Good grief! The comedian's a bear!"

"No he's a not, he's a wearing a neckatie"

Statler: "Did you understand that joke?"
Waldorf: "No, but I don't speak Italian."
Don't give up your day job Den.... :o)
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: That's us, Grim! Reminds me of of one of the the old muppet jokes: "Good grief! The comedian's a bear!" "No he's a not, he's a wearing a neckatie" Statler: "Did you understand that joke?" Waldorf: "No, but I don't speak Italian."[/p][/quote]Don't give up your day job Den.... :o) Chish and Fips
  • Score: 1

6:55pm Sat 6 Sep 14

Cleuso says...

The Jockster wrote:
LR - the rub is that they could all go "one way or another". Add in LT, who if he continues to develop, is unlikely to be released for a second loan spell by Norwich, and we're back to the scenario where together with other loans we have to start the re-build process again as we did last year and this year and probably indefinitely.
It is surely this continual over reliance on loans and selling our best players that has and will continue to affect "bums on seats" because of the frustration it provides to some folk.
The only way around it, it seems is to actually get promoted in the season while all the preferred players are at the club. Obviously I hope that happens for us this time because last season for whatever reasons we had a great chance of at least the play offs and we blew it.
I know the use of the loan system is probably vital to lower tier clubs but that doesn't mean I have to like it.
The best way of encouraging more people through the turnstiles is to produce a sustained run of purposeful attacking attractive football with the end result of plenty of goal attempts ending up in the onion bag.
Let's hope The Power and Cooperman have now got the right blend of players to start that process.
Is't that one reason we signed Reeves ... ??? a view to fill Louise's eventual departure. If that doesn't workout by January, then we bring in someone else to bed into the system for the second haf of the season. All sensible..both short and long term thinking.
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: LR - the rub is that they could all go "one way or another". Add in LT, who if he continues to develop, is unlikely to be released for a second loan spell by Norwich, and we're back to the scenario where together with other loans we have to start the re-build process again as we did last year and this year and probably indefinitely. It is surely this continual over reliance on loans and selling our best players that has and will continue to affect "bums on seats" because of the frustration it provides to some folk. The only way around it, it seems is to actually get promoted in the season while all the preferred players are at the club. Obviously I hope that happens for us this time because last season for whatever reasons we had a great chance of at least the play offs and we blew it. I know the use of the loan system is probably vital to lower tier clubs but that doesn't mean I have to like it. The best way of encouraging more people through the turnstiles is to produce a sustained run of purposeful attacking attractive football with the end result of plenty of goal attempts ending up in the onion bag. Let's hope The Power and Cooperman have now got the right blend of players to start that process.[/p][/quote]Is't that one reason we signed Reeves ... ??? a view to fill Louise's eventual departure. If that doesn't workout by January, then we bring in someone else to bed into the system for the second haf of the season. All sensible..both short and long term thinking. Cleuso
  • Score: 1

7:02pm Sat 6 Sep 14

Cleuso says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Different subject... I see from the minuses I received on another thread that there are still people who believe there cannot be a foul if the ball is played.

A couple of weeks ago I mentioned that I was trying to get clarity regarding guidance to referees on the tackle from behind. I've been told by a Football League official that the general guidance and thinking now is that you cannot win the ball fairly if you tackle from behind, i.e. It is always a foul, whether the ball is won or not.

Now, we can debate for ever whether that interpretation of the rules is sensible or not - I'm not sure that it is - but we can hardly blame referees for doing what they are told. If they don't, they get demoted or "rested".
So all the criticism of the Crawley ref is unfounded. He got it right. The fact that he was some way behind the play is neither here nor there. He could see clearly enough that Thompson tacked from behind. People say the linesman must have been right because he was in line with the play. Well, either he got it wrong or he knew the ref could see it was a tackle from behind and could make is own mind up.
All right except he didn't tackle from behind
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Different subject... I see from the minuses I received on another thread that there are still people who believe there cannot be a foul if the ball is played. A couple of weeks ago I mentioned that I was trying to get clarity regarding guidance to referees on the tackle from behind. I've been told by a Football League official that the general guidance and thinking now is that you cannot win the ball fairly if you tackle from behind, i.e. It is always a foul, whether the ball is won or not. Now, we can debate for ever whether that interpretation of the rules is sensible or not - I'm not sure that it is - but we can hardly blame referees for doing what they are told. If they don't, they get demoted or "rested". So all the criticism of the Crawley ref is unfounded. He got it right. The fact that he was some way behind the play is neither here nor there. He could see clearly enough that Thompson tacked from behind. People say the linesman must have been right because he was in line with the play. Well, either he got it wrong or he knew the ref could see it was a tackle from behind and could make is own mind up.[/p][/quote]All right except he didn't tackle from behind Cleuso
  • Score: 0

8:17pm Sat 6 Sep 14

The Jockster says...

Oooohhhhh yeessss heeee diiidd ....
Oooohhhhh yeessss heeee diiidd .... The Jockster
  • Score: 0

8:51pm Sat 6 Sep 14

igiwigi says...

It was mad to get rid of storey!!
It was mad to get rid of storey!! igiwigi
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9:19pm Sat 6 Sep 14

dazzastfc says...

igiwigi wrote:
It was mad to get rid of storey!!
How is he getting on at pompey..I see he scored 2 weeks ago but I haven't been looking lately
[quote][p][bold]igiwigi[/bold] wrote: It was mad to get rid of storey!![/p][/quote]How is he getting on at pompey..I see he scored 2 weeks ago but I haven't been looking lately dazzastfc
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10:22am Sun 7 Sep 14

Oi Den! says...

Cleuso wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Different subject... I see from the minuses I received on another thread that there are still people who believe there cannot be a foul if the ball is played.

A couple of weeks ago I mentioned that I was trying to get clarity regarding guidance to referees on the tackle from behind. I've been told by a Football League official that the general guidance and thinking now is that you cannot win the ball fairly if you tackle from behind, i.e. It is always a foul, whether the ball is won or not.

Now, we can debate for ever whether that interpretation of the rules is sensible or not - I'm not sure that it is - but we can hardly blame referees for doing what they are told. If they don't, they get demoted or "rested".
So all the criticism of the Crawley ref is unfounded. He got it right. The fact that he was some way behind the play is neither here nor there. He could see clearly enough that Thompson tacked from behind. People say the linesman must have been right because he was in line with the play. Well, either he got it wrong or he knew the ref could see it was a tackle from behind and could make is own mind up.
All right except he didn't tackle from behind
Cleuso, in all the debate and criticism of the ref, I think you're the first person to claim it wasn't a tackle from behind. Have another look at the video.

Was it you who also suggested there wasn't much in Nathan Thompson's foul in the box on the Brighton player because it "wasn't so much a tackle as a coming together", as if somehow that made it alright? The "coming together" was a push in the back of the head followed by a bundling over. You'd be hard pressed to see a more blatant penalty anywhere.

I've no problem with questioning the decisions of referees - we all do it. However, if they are going to get stick for their mistakes, isn't it only fair to admit when the evidence proves that WE got it wrong and they have actually got things spot on, as in the case of the Crawley and Brighton refs?
[quote][p][bold]Cleuso[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Different subject... I see from the minuses I received on another thread that there are still people who believe there cannot be a foul if the ball is played. A couple of weeks ago I mentioned that I was trying to get clarity regarding guidance to referees on the tackle from behind. I've been told by a Football League official that the general guidance and thinking now is that you cannot win the ball fairly if you tackle from behind, i.e. It is always a foul, whether the ball is won or not. Now, we can debate for ever whether that interpretation of the rules is sensible or not - I'm not sure that it is - but we can hardly blame referees for doing what they are told. If they don't, they get demoted or "rested". So all the criticism of the Crawley ref is unfounded. He got it right. The fact that he was some way behind the play is neither here nor there. He could see clearly enough that Thompson tacked from behind. People say the linesman must have been right because he was in line with the play. Well, either he got it wrong or he knew the ref could see it was a tackle from behind and could make is own mind up.[/p][/quote]All right except he didn't tackle from behind[/p][/quote]Cleuso, in all the debate and criticism of the ref, I think you're the first person to claim it wasn't a tackle from behind. Have another look at the video. Was it you who also suggested there wasn't much in Nathan Thompson's foul in the box on the Brighton player because it "wasn't so much a tackle as a coming together", as if somehow that made it alright? The "coming together" was a push in the back of the head followed by a bundling over. You'd be hard pressed to see a more blatant penalty anywhere. I've no problem with questioning the decisions of referees - we all do it. However, if they are going to get stick for their mistakes, isn't it only fair to admit when the evidence proves that WE got it wrong and they have actually got things spot on, as in the case of the Crawley and Brighton refs? Oi Den!
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12:27pm Sun 7 Sep 14

Chish and Fips says...

dazzastfc wrote:
igiwigi wrote:
It was mad to get rid of storey!!
How is he getting on at pompey..I see he scored 2 weeks ago but I haven't been looking lately
On the bench with Devera today according to BBC, Dazza.. ..
[quote][p][bold]dazzastfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]igiwigi[/bold] wrote: It was mad to get rid of storey!![/p][/quote]How is he getting on at pompey..I see he scored 2 weeks ago but I haven't been looking lately[/p][/quote]On the bench with Devera today according to BBC, Dazza.. .. Chish and Fips
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12:43pm Sun 7 Sep 14

dazzastfc says...

Chish and Fips wrote:
dazzastfc wrote:
igiwigi wrote:
It was mad to get rid of storey!!
How is he getting on at pompey..I see he scored 2 weeks ago but I haven't been looking lately
On the bench with Devera today according to BBC, Dazza.. ..
Thanks chish
[quote][p][bold]Chish and Fips[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dazzastfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]igiwigi[/bold] wrote: It was mad to get rid of storey!![/p][/quote]How is he getting on at pompey..I see he scored 2 weeks ago but I haven't been looking lately[/p][/quote]On the bench with Devera today according to BBC, Dazza.. ..[/p][/quote]Thanks chish dazzastfc
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1:02pm Sun 7 Sep 14

dazzastfc says...

Wilesy wrote:
Old Town wrote:
The Jockster wrote:
LR - the rub is that they could all go "one way or another". Add in LT, who if he continues to develop, is unlikely to be released for a second loan spell by Norwich, and we're back to the scenario where together with other loans we have to start the re-build process again as we did last year and this year and probably indefinitely.
It is surely this continual over reliance on loans and selling our best players that has and will continue to affect "bums on seats" because of the frustration it provides to some folk.
The only way around it, it seems is to actually get promoted in the season while all the preferred players are at the club. Obviously I hope that happens for us this time because last season for whatever reasons we had a great chance of at least the play offs and we blew it.
I know the use of the loan system is probably vital to lower tier clubs but that doesn't mean I have to like it.
The best way of encouraging more people through the turnstiles is to produce a sustained run of purposeful attacking attractive football with the end result of plenty of goal attempts ending up in the onion bag.
Let's hope The Power and Cooperman have now got the right blend of players to start that process.
Jock I have to pull you up on the last bit of your post ?!?

'Let's hope The Power and Cooperman have now got the right blend of players to START that process' ???

Have you seen any games this season ? I believe our average stats are around 65% possession ! We have produced more shots on goal than any other team in the division

No team in our division has scored more goals than us

In fact, out of all 72 Football League teams, only 5 have scored more goals than us......

We are playing open, fluid, attacking football using a really patient build up and keeping hold of the ball

What more do we need to do in order to get 'bums on seats' ?

It cannot possibly be the football itself stopping people from going - any real football fan, no matter who they support would enjoy watching us play !!
If people aren't happy with the entertainment on show this season I don't think they ever will be. If we win 5-0 some will moan it should have been 6-0.

We need to improve defensively, clearly, and the standard of crossing needs to improve to give the strikers better chances, but apart from that August has been a superb display of how to play 3-5-2. League 1 don't forget.

The more I think about it the less I care whether players are loans or perms. It makes no odds - we have a squad of players out there all wearing the Swindon shirt putting in a shift and trying their hearts out I don't think any less of Louis now he is a Norwich player and I can't believe even 1 person will now not attend as a result.
We are playing open, fluid, attacking football using a really patient build up and keeping hold of the ball What more do we need to do in order to get 'bums on seat...

So you have pointed out the 2 main things in football that win and lose you games,and as you said AND I THINK YOU'RE SPOT ON is that defensible so far this season and the final crosses or passing has been poor...

So is it just me or would anyone on here think we should have other game plans...

Nice to watch ? BUT it is not what i pay to see.I pay to watch my team win...
[quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old Town[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: LR - the rub is that they could all go "one way or another". Add in LT, who if he continues to develop, is unlikely to be released for a second loan spell by Norwich, and we're back to the scenario where together with other loans we have to start the re-build process again as we did last year and this year and probably indefinitely. It is surely this continual over reliance on loans and selling our best players that has and will continue to affect "bums on seats" because of the frustration it provides to some folk. The only way around it, it seems is to actually get promoted in the season while all the preferred players are at the club. Obviously I hope that happens for us this time because last season for whatever reasons we had a great chance of at least the play offs and we blew it. I know the use of the loan system is probably vital to lower tier clubs but that doesn't mean I have to like it. The best way of encouraging more people through the turnstiles is to produce a sustained run of purposeful attacking attractive football with the end result of plenty of goal attempts ending up in the onion bag. Let's hope The Power and Cooperman have now got the right blend of players to start that process.[/p][/quote]Jock I have to pull you up on the last bit of your post ?!? 'Let's hope The Power and Cooperman have now got the right blend of players to START that process' ??? Have you seen any games this season ? I believe our average stats are around 65% possession ! We have produced more shots on goal than any other team in the division No team in our division has scored more goals than us In fact, out of all 72 Football League teams, only 5 have scored more goals than us...... We are playing open, fluid, attacking football using a really patient build up and keeping hold of the ball What more do we need to do in order to get 'bums on seats' ? It cannot possibly be the football itself stopping people from going - any real football fan, no matter who they support would enjoy watching us play !![/p][/quote]If people aren't happy with the entertainment on show this season I don't think they ever will be. If we win 5-0 some will moan it should have been 6-0. We need to improve defensively, clearly, and the standard of crossing needs to improve to give the strikers better chances, but apart from that August has been a superb display of how to play 3-5-2. League 1 don't forget. The more I think about it the less I care whether players are loans or perms. It makes no odds - we have a squad of players out there all wearing the Swindon shirt putting in a shift and trying their hearts out I don't think any less of Louis now he is a Norwich player and I can't believe even 1 person will now not attend as a result.[/p][/quote]We are playing open, fluid, attacking football using a really patient build up and keeping hold of the ball What more do we need to do in order to get 'bums on seat... So you have pointed out the 2 main things in football that win and lose you games,and as you said AND I THINK YOU'RE SPOT ON is that defensible so far this season and the final crosses or passing has been poor... So is it just me or would anyone on here think we should have other game plans... Nice to watch ? BUT it is not what i pay to see.I pay to watch my team win... dazzastfc
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2:12pm Sun 7 Sep 14

The Jockster says...

Hey chaps I see some guy called Flint had a great game for Bristol City yesterday - scored the opening goal and according to reports had two other good headed efforts blocked or saved whilst he also defended well it seems.
Is that the same Flint who used to play for us and got/still gets stick on this forum for being a donkey who with hindsight proved to be a far more competent player than what we were left with apart from TAH who as we know is a permanent sicknote. Good luck Flinty you always gave 100% for the shirt and I for one would have you back here any day.
Hey chaps I see some guy called Flint had a great game for Bristol City yesterday - scored the opening goal and according to reports had two other good headed efforts blocked or saved whilst he also defended well it seems. Is that the same Flint who used to play for us and got/still gets stick on this forum for being a donkey who with hindsight proved to be a far more competent player than what we were left with apart from TAH who as we know is a permanent sicknote. Good luck Flinty you always gave 100% for the shirt and I for one would have you back here any day. The Jockster
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2:48pm Sun 7 Sep 14

Chish and Fips says...

The Jockster wrote:
Hey chaps I see some guy called Flint had a great game for Bristol City yesterday - scored the opening goal and according to reports had two other good headed efforts blocked or saved whilst he also defended well it seems.
Is that the same Flint who used to play for us and got/still gets stick on this forum for being a donkey who with hindsight proved to be a far more competent player than what we were left with apart from TAH who as we know is a permanent sicknote. Good luck Flinty you always gave 100% for the shirt and I for one would have you back here any day.
Jock - its taken him a while to settle in and basically mature - my mate a Brizzle chitty supporter said he was absolutely useless and a complete liability last season, but it may be the new manager is playing him to his strengths, heading being the obvious, and not AF's passing which was a bit suspect and caused us all kinds of problems ... When I saw him he did give 100 % but was a bit rash and gave away countless free kicks - didn't PDC pull him to one side and suggest he calmed down and thought about things before going storming in.
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: Hey chaps I see some guy called Flint had a great game for Bristol City yesterday - scored the opening goal and according to reports had two other good headed efforts blocked or saved whilst he also defended well it seems. Is that the same Flint who used to play for us and got/still gets stick on this forum for being a donkey who with hindsight proved to be a far more competent player than what we were left with apart from TAH who as we know is a permanent sicknote. Good luck Flinty you always gave 100% for the shirt and I for one would have you back here any day.[/p][/quote]Jock - its taken him a while to settle in and basically mature - my mate a Brizzle chitty supporter said he was absolutely useless and a complete liability last season, but it may be the new manager is playing him to his strengths, heading being the obvious, and not AF's passing which was a bit suspect and caused us all kinds of problems ... When I saw him he did give 100 % but was a bit rash and gave away countless free kicks - didn't PDC pull him to one side and suggest he calmed down and thought about things before going storming in. Chish and Fips
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3:29pm Sun 7 Sep 14

The Jockster says...

Chish - it takes time to adjust sometimes - how long was Fjortoft here before he scored? I still maintain Flint was getting better all the time and after he left it certainly exposed Wardy in the middle - there was no one to cover his arse any more.
I'm sure your City mate doesn't think he's still useless eh?
It's a shame the myopic few on here can't see any further than the fact that they now dislike him is because he plays for our main arch rivals.
Chish - it takes time to adjust sometimes - how long was Fjortoft here before he scored? I still maintain Flint was getting better all the time and after he left it certainly exposed Wardy in the middle - there was no one to cover his arse any more. I'm sure your City mate doesn't think he's still useless eh? It's a shame the myopic few on here can't see any further than the fact that they now dislike him is because he plays for our main arch rivals. The Jockster
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4:55pm Sun 7 Sep 14

Chish and Fips says...

The Jockster wrote:
Chish - it takes time to adjust sometimes - how long was Fjortoft here before he scored? I still maintain Flint was getting better all the time and after he left it certainly exposed Wardy in the middle - there was no one to cover his arse any more.
I'm sure your City mate doesn't think he's still useless eh?
It's a shame the myopic few on here can't see any further than the fact that they now dislike him is because he plays for our main arch rivals.
Jock - The player that I was totally wrong about was Gordon Greer - thought he was over the hill - now that is a player we could with coming back.
Didn't Fjortoft score loads, then when we went into Premier hit a long dry spell.
[quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: Chish - it takes time to adjust sometimes - how long was Fjortoft here before he scored? I still maintain Flint was getting better all the time and after he left it certainly exposed Wardy in the middle - there was no one to cover his arse any more. I'm sure your City mate doesn't think he's still useless eh? It's a shame the myopic few on here can't see any further than the fact that they now dislike him is because he plays for our main arch rivals.[/p][/quote]Jock - The player that I was totally wrong about was Gordon Greer - thought he was over the hill - now that is a player we could with coming back. Didn't Fjortoft score loads, then when we went into Premier hit a long dry spell. Chish and Fips
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7:08pm Sun 7 Sep 14

The Jockster says...

Chish and Fips wrote:
The Jockster wrote:
Chish - it takes time to adjust sometimes - how long was Fjortoft here before he scored? I still maintain Flint was getting better all the time and after he left it certainly exposed Wardy in the middle - there was no one to cover his arse any more.
I'm sure your City mate doesn't think he's still useless eh?
It's a shame the myopic few on here can't see any further than the fact that they now dislike him is because he plays for our main arch rivals.
Jock - The player that I was totally wrong about was Gordon Greer - thought he was over the hill - now that is a player we could with coming back.
Didn't Fjortoft score loads, then when we went into Premier hit a long dry spell.
Chish I think most would agree that shipping out Greer at the time was a very short-sighted move which ultimately bit us on the bum. Could he still do a job? Possibly maybe.
Jan the man eventually found his shooting boots in the Prem. but by then we'd already shipped too many goals at t'other end as it were.
[quote][p][bold]Chish and Fips[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: Chish - it takes time to adjust sometimes - how long was Fjortoft here before he scored? I still maintain Flint was getting better all the time and after he left it certainly exposed Wardy in the middle - there was no one to cover his arse any more. I'm sure your City mate doesn't think he's still useless eh? It's a shame the myopic few on here can't see any further than the fact that they now dislike him is because he plays for our main arch rivals.[/p][/quote]Jock - The player that I was totally wrong about was Gordon Greer - thought he was over the hill - now that is a player we could with coming back. Didn't Fjortoft score loads, then when we went into Premier hit a long dry spell.[/p][/quote]Chish I think most would agree that shipping out Greer at the time was a very short-sighted move which ultimately bit us on the bum. Could he still do a job? Possibly maybe. Jan the man eventually found his shooting boots in the Prem. but by then we'd already shipped too many goals at t'other end as it were. The Jockster
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11:27pm Sun 7 Sep 14

Oi Den! says...

From the moment Flint first played for us, it was obvious that he was never going to be a cultured footballer. It was also obvious that with the right coaching he could be a major asset at the back for any club at our level. For all his faults, PDC was smoothing out Flint's rough edges. It was amazing that so many people thought It would be no great loss when he was sold or that £300k was a good deal for us. I'd be delighted if we paid £300k for a player with his qualities now. Perhaps we had to accept that had to go (because Billy Liar put nothing into the club and tried to wheedle his way out of any obligations he'd taken on). Accepting the inevitable and liking it are two different things.
From the moment Flint first played for us, it was obvious that he was never going to be a cultured footballer. It was also obvious that with the right coaching he could be a major asset at the back for any club at our level. For all his faults, PDC was smoothing out Flint's rough edges. It was amazing that so many people thought It would be no great loss when he was sold or that £300k was a good deal for us. I'd be delighted if we paid £300k for a player with his qualities now. Perhaps we had to accept that had to go (because Billy Liar put nothing into the club and tried to wheedle his way out of any obligations he'd taken on). Accepting the inevitable and liking it are two different things. Oi Den!
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12:47am Mon 8 Sep 14

Wilesy says...

Chish and Fips wrote:
The Jockster wrote:
Hey chaps I see some guy called Flint had a great game for Bristol City yesterday - scored the opening goal and according to reports had two other good headed efforts blocked or saved whilst he also defended well it seems.
Is that the same Flint who used to play for us and got/still gets stick on this forum for being a donkey who with hindsight proved to be a far more competent player than what we were left with apart from TAH who as we know is a permanent sicknote. Good luck Flinty you always gave 100% for the shirt and I for one would have you back here any day.
Jock - its taken him a while to settle in and basically mature - my mate a Brizzle chitty supporter said he was absolutely useless and a complete liability last season, but it may be the new manager is playing him to his strengths, heading being the obvious, and not AF's passing which was a bit suspect and caused us all kinds of problems ... When I saw him he did give 100 % but was a bit rash and gave away countless free kicks - didn't PDC pull him to one side and suggest he calmed down and thought about things before going storming in.
When Flint came here from non-league he obviously had no experience of this level. Non-league is a bit less cultured than League 1, so he had things to learn but you could see him develop and we doubled our money over about 100 games. Still not the finished article when he left, and the transfer fee on his next move will tell if he's continued that improvement or maxed his potential here. I would have no issue at all if we got him back here, that aerial ability and will to win is just what we need, and he more than played his part in a miserly defence during his time here, and just remember that play off game at Brentford where he banged in the equaliser and the fans went crazy, one of my highlights in years of watching Swindon.
[quote][p][bold]Chish and Fips[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: Hey chaps I see some guy called Flint had a great game for Bristol City yesterday - scored the opening goal and according to reports had two other good headed efforts blocked or saved whilst he also defended well it seems. Is that the same Flint who used to play for us and got/still gets stick on this forum for being a donkey who with hindsight proved to be a far more competent player than what we were left with apart from TAH who as we know is a permanent sicknote. Good luck Flinty you always gave 100% for the shirt and I for one would have you back here any day.[/p][/quote]Jock - its taken him a while to settle in and basically mature - my mate a Brizzle chitty supporter said he was absolutely useless and a complete liability last season, but it may be the new manager is playing him to his strengths, heading being the obvious, and not AF's passing which was a bit suspect and caused us all kinds of problems ... When I saw him he did give 100 % but was a bit rash and gave away countless free kicks - didn't PDC pull him to one side and suggest he calmed down and thought about things before going storming in.[/p][/quote]When Flint came here from non-league he obviously had no experience of this level. Non-league is a bit less cultured than League 1, so he had things to learn but you could see him develop and we doubled our money over about 100 games. Still not the finished article when he left, and the transfer fee on his next move will tell if he's continued that improvement or maxed his potential here. I would have no issue at all if we got him back here, that aerial ability and will to win is just what we need, and he more than played his part in a miserly defence during his time here, and just remember that play off game at Brentford where he banged in the equaliser and the fans went crazy, one of my highlights in years of watching Swindon. Wilesy
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6:39am Mon 8 Sep 14

Chish and Fips says...

Wilesy wrote:
Chish and Fips wrote:
The Jockster wrote:
Hey chaps I see some guy called Flint had a great game for Bristol City yesterday - scored the opening goal and according to reports had two other good headed efforts blocked or saved whilst he also defended well it seems.
Is that the same Flint who used to play for us and got/still gets stick on this forum for being a donkey who with hindsight proved to be a far more competent player than what we were left with apart from TAH who as we know is a permanent sicknote. Good luck Flinty you always gave 100% for the shirt and I for one would have you back here any day.
Jock - its taken him a while to settle in and basically mature - my mate a Brizzle chitty supporter said he was absolutely useless and a complete liability last season, but it may be the new manager is playing him to his strengths, heading being the obvious, and not AF's passing which was a bit suspect and caused us all kinds of problems ... When I saw him he did give 100 % but was a bit rash and gave away countless free kicks - didn't PDC pull him to one side and suggest he calmed down and thought about things before going storming in.
When Flint came here from non-league he obviously had no experience of this level. Non-league is a bit less cultured than League 1, so he had things to learn but you could see him develop and we doubled our money over about 100 games. Still not the finished article when he left, and the transfer fee on his next move will tell if he's continued that improvement or maxed his potential here. I would have no issue at all if we got him back here, that aerial ability and will to win is just what we need, and he more than played his part in a miserly defence during his time here, and just remember that play off game at Brentford where he banged in the equaliser and the fans went crazy, one of my highlights in years of watching Swindon.
I very good summing up there Wilesy of AF, I'll try and try see my Brizzle mate and get an update. Bound to be better than the last report I got from him.
Brizzle appear to have bought and sold well, so the team confidence is probably up on last years awful season they had.
[quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chish and Fips[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Jockster[/bold] wrote: Hey chaps I see some guy called Flint had a great game for Bristol City yesterday - scored the opening goal and according to reports had two other good headed efforts blocked or saved whilst he also defended well it seems. Is that the same Flint who used to play for us and got/still gets stick on this forum for being a donkey who with hindsight proved to be a far more competent player than what we were left with apart from TAH who as we know is a permanent sicknote. Good luck Flinty you always gave 100% for the shirt and I for one would have you back here any day.[/p][/quote]Jock - its taken him a while to settle in and basically mature - my mate a Brizzle chitty supporter said he was absolutely useless and a complete liability last season, but it may be the new manager is playing him to his strengths, heading being the obvious, and not AF's passing which was a bit suspect and caused us all kinds of problems ... When I saw him he did give 100 % but was a bit rash and gave away countless free kicks - didn't PDC pull him to one side and suggest he calmed down and thought about things before going storming in.[/p][/quote]When Flint came here from non-league he obviously had no experience of this level. Non-league is a bit less cultured than League 1, so he had things to learn but you could see him develop and we doubled our money over about 100 games. Still not the finished article when he left, and the transfer fee on his next move will tell if he's continued that improvement or maxed his potential here. I would have no issue at all if we got him back here, that aerial ability and will to win is just what we need, and he more than played his part in a miserly defence during his time here, and just remember that play off game at Brentford where he banged in the equaliser and the fans went crazy, one of my highlights in years of watching Swindon.[/p][/quote]I very good summing up there Wilesy of AF, I'll try and try see my Brizzle mate and get an update. Bound to be better than the last report I got from him. Brizzle appear to have bought and sold well, so the team confidence is probably up on last years awful season they had. Chish and Fips
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9:06am Mon 8 Sep 14

The Jockster says...

Wilesy totally agree an excellent appraisal of Flint's capabilities and as you day time will tell as to whether he has reached his development peak. I was in a totally empty bar in Turkey when he banged in that header v Brentford and I went mental much to the amusement of the bar staff who are only ever interested in Galatasary or Fenerbahce.
Wilesy totally agree an excellent appraisal of Flint's capabilities and as you day time will tell as to whether he has reached his development peak. I was in a totally empty bar in Turkey when he banged in that header v Brentford and I went mental much to the amusement of the bar staff who are only ever interested in Galatasary or Fenerbahce. The Jockster
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10:18am Mon 8 Sep 14

Oi Den! says...

Players like Flint are what you need to succeed in the division. Daz has got some stick for daring to suggest we've not had a good start to the season. He's right though. 8 points from 15 is not good - it's slightly above average - and we've made an early exit from one of the two worthwhile cup competitions. That form is due in big measure to the lack of a commanding physical presence at the back. Here's hoping Stephens proves to be a successful temporary fix in that department and Obika adds a bit of spark to the strikeforce. Some of last week's triumphalism, with a promotion push almost being taken for granted, seems a tad premature at the moment though.
Players like Flint are what you need to succeed in the division. Daz has got some stick for daring to suggest we've not had a good start to the season. He's right though. 8 points from 15 is not good - it's slightly above average - and we've made an early exit from one of the two worthwhile cup competitions. That form is due in big measure to the lack of a commanding physical presence at the back. Here's hoping Stephens proves to be a successful temporary fix in that department and Obika adds a bit of spark to the strikeforce. Some of last week's triumphalism, with a promotion push almost being taken for granted, seems a tad premature at the moment though. Oi Den!
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11:37am Mon 8 Sep 14

Oi Den! says...

Wilesy's reference to the Flint moment has prompted me to try to come up with my 10 finest Town moments. In no particular order, I've got

That Flint header.

Greer doing the same against Norwich.

Don dumping Bob Wilson on his arse and slotting home the killer goal.

One of the world's finest defenders, Bobby Moore, having to drag Don back by his shirt because it was the only way he could stop him.

Charlie Austin timing his run to perfection at Southampton and rounding their keeper to slot home right in front of us all on that great night.

The final whistle at The Hawthorns when we beat Burnley in the League Cup semi-final after being pegged back at the death, trailing just after the start of extra time, equalising and then leading again.

Billy Tucker's headed equaliser at Highbury, just when we thought we'd had it, to set up the League Cup replay that we won 4-3.

Eastoe's equaliser from a superb David Moss cross at Upton Park in the FA Cup.

Trevor Anderson's headed equaliser in the replay of that one. (Trevor Anderson headers were almost as rare as Don Rogers headers).

Shaun Taylor diving through the legs and boots at Wembley to score.

Colin Calderwood knocking the ball over the Notts County defence at Meadow Lane, running on to his own pass and slotting coolly (how else?) into the net.


Several others could have staked a good claim to be in my top ten. There are no doubt others that I've forgotten, along with plenty I didn't witness, e.g. the St Andrews epic.

Anyone want to add their top 10?
Wilesy's reference to the Flint moment has prompted me to try to come up with my 10 finest Town moments. In no particular order, I've got That Flint header. Greer doing the same against Norwich. Don dumping Bob Wilson on his arse and slotting home the killer goal. One of the world's finest defenders, Bobby Moore, having to drag Don back by his shirt because it was the only way he could stop him. Charlie Austin timing his run to perfection at Southampton and rounding their keeper to slot home right in front of us all on that great night. The final whistle at The Hawthorns when we beat Burnley in the League Cup semi-final after being pegged back at the death, trailing just after the start of extra time, equalising and then leading again. Billy Tucker's headed equaliser at Highbury, just when we thought we'd had it, to set up the League Cup replay that we won 4-3. Eastoe's equaliser from a superb David Moss cross at Upton Park in the FA Cup. Trevor Anderson's headed equaliser in the replay of that one. (Trevor Anderson headers were almost as rare as Don Rogers headers). Shaun Taylor diving through the legs and boots at Wembley to score. Colin Calderwood knocking the ball over the Notts County defence at Meadow Lane, running on to his own pass and slotting coolly (how else?) into the net. Several others could have staked a good claim to be in my top ten. There are no doubt others that I've forgotten, along with plenty I didn't witness, e.g. the St Andrews epic. Anyone want to add their top 10? Oi Den!
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11:42am Mon 8 Sep 14

Oi Den! says...

Haha! That's eleven. Well, I did have trouble getting it down that low!
Haha! That's eleven. Well, I did have trouble getting it down that low! Oi Den!
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2:20pm Mon 8 Sep 14

LydiardRED67 says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Haha! That's eleven. Well, I did have trouble getting it down that low!
Got to be Charlie's screamer to bring us back level against Gillingham in the play offs . Stratton bank packed, floodlights, tension, had everything.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Haha! That's eleven. Well, I did have trouble getting it down that low![/p][/quote]Got to be Charlie's screamer to bring us back level against Gillingham in the play offs . Stratton bank packed, floodlights, tension, had everything. LydiardRED67
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2:52pm Mon 8 Sep 14

Oi Den! says...

LydiardRED67 wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Haha! That's eleven. Well, I did have trouble getting it down that low!
Got to be Charlie's screamer to bring us back level against Gillingham in the play offs . Stratton bank packed, floodlights, tension, had everything.
Good shout. Others in that category would be Steve Foley's at Blackburn, Paul Rideout's v Hull(?) although disallowed as someone else was offside, Kenny Stroud's v Everton and - a blast from the past who rarely gets a mention - Bruce Walker and his rocket at Stratton Bank to earn the 2nd replay v Forest at Villa Park (about which the less said the better).
[quote][p][bold]LydiardRED67[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Haha! That's eleven. Well, I did have trouble getting it down that low![/p][/quote]Got to be Charlie's screamer to bring us back level against Gillingham in the play offs . Stratton bank packed, floodlights, tension, had everything.[/p][/quote]Good shout. Others in that category would be Steve Foley's at Blackburn, Paul Rideout's v Hull(?) although disallowed as someone else was offside, Kenny Stroud's v Everton and - a blast from the past who rarely gets a mention - Bruce Walker and his rocket at Stratton Bank to earn the 2nd replay v Forest at Villa Park (about which the less said the better). Oi Den!
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7:54am Tue 9 Sep 14

mancrobin says...

Den, just a few off the top of my head:
Glenn's first goal for us against Sunderland, plus his goal at Wembley. Jenny Stroud against Everton in the Cup and Craig Maskell against Tranmere in the Play-offs.

I also seem to remember that a Joey Beauchamp goal was one of the best I saw but that doesn't count.
Den, just a few off the top of my head: Glenn's first goal for us against Sunderland, plus his goal at Wembley. Jenny Stroud against Everton in the Cup and Craig Maskell against Tranmere in the Play-offs. I also seem to remember that a Joey Beauchamp goal was one of the best I saw but that doesn't count. mancrobin
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