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SWINDON TOWN: Passing the test

NEW Swindon Town assistant manager Fabrizio Piccareta sees little reason why the Robins cannot gain promotion from League Two.

The former Inter Milan youth team coach began work at the County Ground on Wednesday and will act as the link-man between Paolo Di Canio and the players.

Piccareta will also formulate the first team’s weekly training schedule, where the emphasis will be on developing and maintaining a peak level of fitness.

The Italian is also keen to help Di Canio implement a passing style of football into the team - a perceived rarity at League Two level.

Chesterfield were last season promoted to the third tier of English football by keeping the ball on the ground and Piccareta believes Swindon can do the same themselves.

“I am very, very confident we can fight for a return to League One as soon as possible,” he said. “It is always risky to predict things in football but this (promotion) is our main goal and we want to achieve this for the fans and for ourselves of course.

He added: “I think we will play good football.

“We can’t talk about English football, Italian football or French football, there is either good football or bad football.

“I don’t like to see the ball flying high in the air. I like always to see our players keep the ball on the ground. When the ball is in the air, nobody has control and everyone can play football - even the poorer players - but when it is on the ground only the good players can play.

“It will be my aim to ensure we play with the ball on the pitch.”

Aside from his role on the training ground, Piccareta also hopes to be able to provide Di Canio with a different view on football matters for the benefit of the club.

“As a footballer I was not a great player whereas Paolo obviously was, but what I hope I can provide for him is my commitment and support,” he continued.

“We will work together on the pitch every day as a team. I also hope I can offer a different point of view because sometimes a coach must have someone who can look at the same thing, but offer a different type of view. This will be my main task and I am confident I will give my best.”

Meanwhile, Town have confirmed two fixtures for pre-season, with trips to Swindon Supermarine and Cirencester Town arranged for July 19 and July 25 respectively.

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7:37am Sat 4 Jun 11

thesixtyniner says...

P-p-please sir ... can we have some players???
P-p-please sir ... can we have some players??? thesixtyniner
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7:55am Sat 4 Jun 11

the don69 says...

thesixtyniner wrote:
P-p-please sir ... can we have some players???
Dont Panic Mr Mannering!!!!!!!!!! plenty of time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]thesixtyniner[/bold] wrote: P-p-please sir ... can we have some players???[/p][/quote]Dont Panic Mr Mannering!!!!!!!!!! plenty of time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the don69
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8:04am Sat 4 Jun 11

thesixtyniner says...

Those agents on twitter have inferred that Douglas is leaving. We may have to play both Bodins at this rate.
Those agents on twitter have inferred that Douglas is leaving. We may have to play both Bodins at this rate. thesixtyniner
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8:18am Sat 4 Jun 11

umpcah says...

thesixtyniner wrote:
P-p-please sir ... can we have some players???
Pericard hasn`t gone yet ! The early exit of Cuthbert & Co is evidence of what so many players think of the fourth division. It will be interesting to see how Di Canio gets over that.
[quote][p][bold]thesixtyniner[/bold] wrote: P-p-please sir ... can we have some players???[/p][/quote]Pericard hasn`t gone yet ! The early exit of Cuthbert & Co is evidence of what so many players think of the fourth division. It will be interesting to see how Di Canio gets over that. umpcah
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8:48am Sat 4 Jun 11

jontyg says...

There's plenty of time for Di Canio to get the players he is after. Just be patient and it will all fall into place. All the players who have left were crap anyway last season so it's no great loss, is it!!
There's plenty of time for Di Canio to get the players he is after. Just be patient and it will all fall into place. All the players who have left were crap anyway last season so it's no great loss, is it!! jontyg
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8:54am Sat 4 Jun 11

thesixtyniner says...

jontyg wrote:
There's plenty of time for Di Canio to get the players he is after. Just be patient and it will all fall into place. All the players who have left were crap anyway last season so it's no great loss, is it!!
That's a very good point. And probably what PDC is thinking. Cuthbert whinged on twitter that he wasn't offered a contract and wasn't spoken to by the new management team.

Subtle hint?
[quote][p][bold]jontyg[/bold] wrote: There's plenty of time for Di Canio to get the players he is after. Just be patient and it will all fall into place. All the players who have left were crap anyway last season so it's no great loss, is it!![/p][/quote]That's a very good point. And probably what PDC is thinking. Cuthbert whinged on twitter that he wasn't offered a contract and wasn't spoken to by the new management team. Subtle hint? thesixtyniner
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9:16am Sat 4 Jun 11

ciclosporindorset says...

The players that have left were either called Rose or Prutton OR were out of contract and were not offered new deals. Therefore they are paying for poor form last season and having to leave. Rose & Prutton going does not trouble me in the slightest. We DO NOT KNOW if Lescinel or Timlin have agreed their new contracts or not so lets be patient. They had 2 weeks from the 26th May! As for Dougie - it would be surprising to me if he left if he were offered a new contract at a wage he found acceptable. BUT - was he offered an extension - WE DONT KNOW!
The players that have left were either called Rose or Prutton OR were out of contract and were not offered new deals. Therefore they are paying for poor form last season and having to leave. Rose & Prutton going does not trouble me in the slightest. We DO NOT KNOW if Lescinel or Timlin have agreed their new contracts or not so lets be patient. They had 2 weeks from the 26th May! As for Dougie - it would be surprising to me if he left if he were offered a new contract at a wage he found acceptable. BUT - was he offered an extension - WE DONT KNOW! ciclosporindorset
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9:23am Sat 4 Jun 11

STFCLetsGetRocked says...

From what I've heard, Douglas was asked to 'significantly' reduce his wage demands which he refused to do.

Therefore, he is very likely to move on. I have heard that a certain Danny Wilson wants to sign him for Sheffield United.

Personally, I don't care if every player is moved on - we have to replace with quality and also give our best crop of youngsters a chance.

Word is Pavett will have pre-season to prove he is worthy of a place - if not then he'll be sold to Newport or Bath. Bodin and Evans will also get a chance, but Misun is out of the reckoning..

Hopefully Pericard will be next out of the door - the lad needs to move on and get a new club and a new start.

A case of shift the deadwood out, bring the fresh logs in.
From what I've heard, Douglas was asked to 'significantly' reduce his wage demands which he refused to do. Therefore, he is very likely to move on. I have heard that a certain Danny Wilson wants to sign him for Sheffield United. Personally, I don't care if every player is moved on - we have to replace with quality and also give our best crop of youngsters a chance. Word is Pavett will have pre-season to prove he is worthy of a place - if not then he'll be sold to Newport or Bath. Bodin and Evans will also get a chance, but Misun is out of the reckoning.. Hopefully Pericard will be next out of the door - the lad needs to move on and get a new club and a new start. A case of shift the deadwood out, bring the fresh logs in. STFCLetsGetRocked
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9:25am Sat 4 Jun 11

London Red says...

Good to see the adver on the ball again - this was his interview from Wednesday only just making the papers days later!
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Will we here from the fitness coach on Monday about what he said last Wednesday?
Good to see the adver on the ball again - this was his interview from Wednesday only just making the papers days later! . Will we here from the fitness coach on Monday about what he said last Wednesday? London Red
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9:38am Sat 4 Jun 11

SAPFanSTFC says...

thesixtyniner wrote:
Those agents on twitter have inferred that Douglas is leaving. We may have to play both Bodins at this rate.
Always been on the cards and almost certainty if Di Canio watched his effort in the DVDs of the games.
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I hope he does go as his commitment was poor last year (both on and off the pitch) - off the pitch he was certainly no role model...
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Captain Douglas wouldn't even get off his backside to present an award to a long serving member of the team's back room staff!!.....no Captain, not even a player in books at his wages!!
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With those gone to date it would be good to see him and Lucas leave - lots of money releasd for wages AND!!!....
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That would then be the end of the negative news and from next week it would all (mainly) be positive news - there is no use the players coming back from holiday in 3 weeks only to find that Douglas and maybe one or two more players are on the way out - it kills the air of positivty that would surround the meeting of new players.
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Get rid now and then bring in the new! :-) Tough season coming up but the club have taken a lot of positive actions and made a lot of very good noises this summer!
[quote][p][bold]thesixtyniner[/bold] wrote: Those agents on twitter have inferred that Douglas is leaving. We may have to play both Bodins at this rate.[/p][/quote]Always been on the cards and almost certainty if Di Canio watched his effort in the DVDs of the games. .... I hope he does go as his commitment was poor last year (both on and off the pitch) - off the pitch he was certainly no role model... .... Captain Douglas wouldn't even get off his backside to present an award to a long serving member of the team's back room staff!!.....no Captain, not even a player in books at his wages!! .... With those gone to date it would be good to see him and Lucas leave - lots of money releasd for wages AND!!!.... ..... That would then be the end of the negative news and from next week it would all (mainly) be positive news - there is no use the players coming back from holiday in 3 weeks only to find that Douglas and maybe one or two more players are on the way out - it kills the air of positivty that would surround the meeting of new players. ..... Get rid now and then bring in the new! :-) Tough season coming up but the club have taken a lot of positive actions and made a lot of very good noises this summer! SAPFanSTFC
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9:47am Sat 4 Jun 11

peatmoor pirate says...

"Piccareta will also formulate the first team’s weekly training schedule, where the emphasis will be on developing and maintaining a peak level of fitness."

About time someone did. Last time someone did this was Wise and look at the start we had under him.
"Piccareta will also formulate the first team’s weekly training schedule, where the emphasis will be on developing and maintaining a peak level of fitness." About time someone did. Last time someone did this was Wise and look at the start we had under him. peatmoor pirate
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10:02am Sat 4 Jun 11

SAPFanSTFC says...

Headline: Thomas deal is staggering!
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Cheltenham chairman Paul Baker says that they could not compete with the deal offered by Crawley to Wes Thomas.
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What elements are considered to be 'Revenue' when determining the baseline for the wage budget?
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Crawley have obviously found a stream of revenue which is basically someone pumping money into the club but I'm interested to know how they are introducing the money - especially when you consider that the person or organisation investing the money have to 'justify' it as an investment / sponsorship deal - otherwise they're paying additional taxes on the money which could mean that for evey 1mill GBP it is another 20% on top!?
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If it isn't a VERY rich supporter happy to throw money at a dream then you have to wonder if the alleged 'Bad Money' or 'Money Laundering' accusations hold water?
Headline: Thomas deal is staggering! ....... Cheltenham chairman Paul Baker says that they could not compete with the deal offered by Crawley to Wes Thomas. ....... What elements are considered to be 'Revenue' when determining the baseline for the wage budget? ....... Crawley have obviously found a stream of revenue which is basically someone pumping money into the club but I'm interested to know how they are introducing the money - especially when you consider that the person or organisation investing the money have to 'justify' it as an investment / sponsorship deal - otherwise they're paying additional taxes on the money which could mean that for evey 1mill GBP it is another 20% on top!? ...... If it isn't a VERY rich supporter happy to throw money at a dream then you have to wonder if the alleged 'Bad Money' or 'Money Laundering' accusations hold water? SAPFanSTFC
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10:51am Sat 4 Jun 11

the wizard says...

I did say yesterday that nobody had mentioned Dougie. Rumour was that Megson wanted him from weeks ago, then he was allegedly being lined up by Wilson, among others.
I think he needs a fresh club. We have now shed a whole raft of players which is not a bad thing because all the forums were clamouring for that before the end of the season. Now it has happened, and that will enable the new regeme to bring in lots of fresh, young energetic, fit, hunrgy and commited players who will hopefully be moulded into a cohesive unit.
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Fitness will be paramount in L2 as some clubs play towards "kick& run" with very little flair, long ball games as well.
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Only the commited need stay, and those that do will benefit from the new view and outlook regarding fitness, flair and plenty of raw ambition. Should be an intresting season, although I would give a penny for Fittons thoughts after seeing "his" team disbanded and the players jumping ship rather than commit to the clubs future, so much for all the statements in The Adver that they would stand by the club and get us promoted next season. A certain Mr Iscariot would have been proud of them all, so much for their much vaunted loyalty, lazy parasites !
Perhaps Fitton was bang-on the money when he said about certain players just going through the motions.
I did say yesterday that nobody had mentioned Dougie. Rumour was that Megson wanted him from weeks ago, then he was allegedly being lined up by Wilson, among others. I think he needs a fresh club. We have now shed a whole raft of players which is not a bad thing because all the forums were clamouring for that before the end of the season. Now it has happened, and that will enable the new regeme to bring in lots of fresh, young energetic, fit, hunrgy and commited players who will hopefully be moulded into a cohesive unit. - Fitness will be paramount in L2 as some clubs play towards "kick& run" with very little flair, long ball games as well. - Only the commited need stay, and those that do will benefit from the new view and outlook regarding fitness, flair and plenty of raw ambition. Should be an intresting season, although I would give a penny for Fittons thoughts after seeing "his" team disbanded and the players jumping ship rather than commit to the clubs future, so much for all the statements in The Adver that they would stand by the club and get us promoted next season. A certain Mr Iscariot would have been proud of them all, so much for their much vaunted loyalty, lazy parasites ! Perhaps Fitton was bang-on the money when he said about certain players just going through the motions. the wizard
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11:11am Sat 4 Jun 11

oldtownred says...

Totally agree wizard. Watching last year was a lesson in abject misery with the mercenary troops playing out a facade. At least Mr iscariot had some shame at the end, unlike the shower who are jumping ship.
I do wonder about the selection process, the vetting of purchases. I am not sure there is such a rare commodity as loyalty any more, but a modicum of honesty and commitment would be appreciated.
I also think we need to find some mideifelders and defenders who can score to take the pressure off the front men. Players like Mclaughlin, Horlock, OOOOh Shawn or even Bodin. As soon as we lost Charlie last year we were doomed. Then Morrison was off and there was not a goal scorer left and a naff defence.
come on Mr Fitton et al, take a chance and splash out, it pays in the long run to buy quality and invest in the long term.
The paucity of rumours is strange, but it is quite exciting waiting to see which gems will be unearthed!
Totally agree wizard. Watching last year was a lesson in abject misery with the mercenary troops playing out a facade. At least Mr iscariot had some shame at the end, unlike the shower who are jumping ship. I do wonder about the selection process, the vetting of purchases. I am not sure there is such a rare commodity as loyalty any more, but a modicum of honesty and commitment would be appreciated. I also think we need to find some mideifelders and defenders who can score to take the pressure off the front men. Players like Mclaughlin, Horlock, OOOOh Shawn or even Bodin. As soon as we lost Charlie last year we were doomed. Then Morrison was off and there was not a goal scorer left and a naff defence. come on Mr Fitton et al, take a chance and splash out, it pays in the long run to buy quality and invest in the long term. The paucity of rumours is strange, but it is quite exciting waiting to see which gems will be unearthed! oldtownred
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11:13am Sat 4 Jun 11

mallorca says...

Interesting point as to Crawley FC.How can a team with there gates pay over the top wages???? of course all just might be rumours and people are jealous etc.is it bad money?
Yet funny Wiz made a comment a few weeks ago about possible FA inevstigations again could be just media talk..
Yet how can a club on small gates put together a team to get into the leauge
Evans as a manager was banned as a manger for 2 years at Boston for tax evasion, Directors also were in deep sh//t for iregular payments to players.
Now this comment from Cheltenham saying no way could they compete with wages offered.
As to backer of Crawley it's private money, however is it an endless pit????? and is it Kosher
Back to our beloved STFC no doubtPdc has players lined up, all we now is a few more to leave to pave the way for a complete clearout and the chance for him to form his own team.
Good luck Pdc exciting times ahead
Interesting point as to Crawley FC.How can a team with there gates pay over the top wages???? of course all just might be rumours and people are jealous etc.is it bad money? Yet funny Wiz made a comment a few weeks ago about possible FA inevstigations again could be just media talk.. Yet how can a club on small gates put together a team to get into the leauge Evans as a manager was banned as a manger for 2 years at Boston for tax evasion, Directors also were in deep sh//t for iregular payments to players. Now this comment from Cheltenham saying no way could they compete with wages offered. As to backer of Crawley it's private money, however is it an endless pit????? and is it Kosher Back to our beloved STFC no doubtPdc has players lined up, all we now is a few more to leave to pave the way for a complete clearout and the chance for him to form his own team. Good luck Pdc exciting times ahead mallorca
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11:17am Sat 4 Jun 11

joey butler says...

The views of the new Assistant Manager {I'm still learning to spell his name!}on fitness levels sound very encouraging.

I am fairly relaxed about players leaving, because each player that leaves now gives Di Canio further opportunities to build his own team. It must also help balance the wage budget, particularly with higher paid players leaving.

Several posters have suggested recently that we also need a fresh start with a new goalkeeper and to be honest, I agree with that view.
The views of the new Assistant Manager {I'm still learning to spell his name!}on fitness levels sound very encouraging. I am fairly relaxed about players leaving, because each player that leaves now gives Di Canio further opportunities to build his own team. It must also help balance the wage budget, particularly with higher paid players leaving. Several posters have suggested recently that we also need a fresh start with a new goalkeeper and to be honest, I agree with that view. joey butler
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11:23am Sat 4 Jun 11

madterrier says...

The reality is, whether we like it or not, that if players can play at a higher level, or increase/maintain their wages, then they will. I certainly would. I bet Douglas will leave.

The Italians can talk a good game, but we are in League 2, it's a lower standard, and we will have to settle, in general, for lower quality players. We're kidding ourselves if we think the team that trots out in August is going to be better than the one of last season.
The reality is, whether we like it or not, that if players can play at a higher level, or increase/maintain their wages, then they will. I certainly would. I bet Douglas will leave. The Italians can talk a good game, but we are in League 2, it's a lower standard, and we will have to settle, in general, for lower quality players. We're kidding ourselves if we think the team that trots out in August is going to be better than the one of last season. madterrier
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11:33am Sat 4 Jun 11

the wizard says...

Strange though it seems, most of the rumours doing the rounds seem to be coming true, which I think, we are all agreed is a rare event.
The exodus of the ex-Leeds contingent gathers pace, and as many have said when together at Leeds the team stuttered as they did here once the Hairdresser was added. Now we have a new fresh start, and I still stand by my comments after the Forest game about our goal keepers for which I was severly chastised at the time, but I seem to have a bigger support in that avenue now. So with that in mind I am wondering where Mark Scott is going to figure, and will Lucas and Smithie be shown the door, many seem to think Smithie is ok at L2 and I agree, but how does the "New Broom" stand with that, we shall see, but Lucas's days as a sick-note must be limited now, maybe the door will beckon for another ex-Leeds man, time will tell, but rarely have I seen so many jump ship in such a short time, just a tinge of guilt perhaps, and knowing that hard work such as many have never seen before in pre season may have just frightened off a few shirkers. Perhaps we are better off without them, as this last season they never did us or themselves any favours.
Strange though it seems, most of the rumours doing the rounds seem to be coming true, which I think, we are all agreed is a rare event. The exodus of the ex-Leeds contingent gathers pace, and as many have said when together at Leeds the team stuttered as they did here once the Hairdresser was added. Now we have a new fresh start, and I still stand by my comments after the Forest game about our goal keepers for which I was severly chastised at the time, but I seem to have a bigger support in that avenue now. So with that in mind I am wondering where Mark Scott is going to figure, and will Lucas and Smithie be shown the door, many seem to think Smithie is ok at L2 and I agree, but how does the "New Broom" stand with that, we shall see, but Lucas's days as a sick-note must be limited now, maybe the door will beckon for another ex-Leeds man, time will tell, but rarely have I seen so many jump ship in such a short time, just a tinge of guilt perhaps, and knowing that hard work such as many have never seen before in pre season may have just frightened off a few shirkers. Perhaps we are better off without them, as this last season they never did us or themselves any favours. the wizard
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11:36am Sat 4 Jun 11

who am i says...

London Red wrote:
Good to see the adver on the ball again - this was his interview from Wednesday only just making the papers days later!
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Will we here from the fitness coach on Monday about what he said last Wednesday?
Its called filling column inches LR, dont read it if it infuriates you that much :)
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Good to see the adver on the ball again - this was his interview from Wednesday only just making the papers days later! . Will we here from the fitness coach on Monday about what he said last Wednesday?[/p][/quote]Its called filling column inches LR, dont read it if it infuriates you that much :) who am i
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11:38am Sat 4 Jun 11

therock4u says...

Regards to wages, IE Creepy Crawley. I thought that clubs were restricted to 60% of something in league 2. So how can clubs offer more than the maximum allowed.
Smell a rat somewhere.
Regards to wages, IE Creepy Crawley. I thought that clubs were restricted to 60% of something in league 2. So how can clubs offer more than the maximum allowed. Smell a rat somewhere. therock4u
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11:52am Sat 4 Jun 11

London Red says...

Who am I - I didn't know that until I read it - anyway most "news" in the adver is old and it is the comments which brings people back!
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As for the 60% it is total income - so gifts from owners can boost your income.
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So for example our board could do another rights issue or write off part of the £7m owed to the parent company and boost our income if really needed
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Also Wray said we have some flexibilry over it as you can't be expected to reduce your wages that quickly due to existing contracts - not sure how long that lasts for but with all the big earners gone - that could give PdC massive scope to add real quality
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It not just about money - I would like to think a player would choose us and PdC than Evans and Crawley if we offered say £500 a week less
Who am I - I didn't know that until I read it - anyway most "news" in the adver is old and it is the comments which brings people back! . As for the 60% it is total income - so gifts from owners can boost your income. . So for example our board could do another rights issue or write off part of the £7m owed to the parent company and boost our income if really needed . Also Wray said we have some flexibilry over it as you can't be expected to reduce your wages that quickly due to existing contracts - not sure how long that lasts for but with all the big earners gone - that could give PdC massive scope to add real quality . It not just about money - I would like to think a player would choose us and PdC than Evans and Crawley if we offered say £500 a week less London Red
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11:58am Sat 4 Jun 11

Ginger-nutz says...

I hope Paolo has still got his boots, cos at this rate there will be no players left to manage.....
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Perhaps he can also lend a pair to Jeremy Wray as well....
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Size tens I think???
I hope Paolo has still got his boots, cos at this rate there will be no players left to manage..... . Perhaps he can also lend a pair to Jeremy Wray as well.... . Size tens I think??? Ginger-nutz
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12:10pm Sat 4 Jun 11

thesixtyniner says...

It's also worth noting that just because certain players stay, it doesn't mean they'll play. Di Canio hasn't even seen anyone kick a ball in anger yet so he doesn't really know exactly what he needs. That said, he can bring in his core, then work from there. One type of player he clearly doesn't want is one who isn't fully committed to the cause. He knows full well you get nowhere in this league with a weak heart. I suspect some of the new players will have to wait until his final tweaks, when he knows which gaps need filling. That may be when he calls in favours from the likes of Harry "The Used Car Salesman" Redknapp.
It's also worth noting that just because certain players stay, it doesn't mean they'll play. Di Canio hasn't even seen anyone kick a ball in anger yet so he doesn't really know exactly what he needs. That said, he can bring in his core, then work from there. One type of player he clearly doesn't want is one who isn't fully committed to the cause. He knows full well you get nowhere in this league with a weak heart. I suspect some of the new players will have to wait until his final tweaks, when he knows which gaps need filling. That may be when he calls in favours from the likes of Harry "The Used Car Salesman" Redknapp. thesixtyniner
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12:13pm Sat 4 Jun 11

Norfolk Red says...

London Red wrote:
Who am I - I didn't know that until I read it - anyway most "news" in the adver is old and it is the comments which brings people back!
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As for the 60% it is total income - so gifts from owners can boost your income.
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So for example our board could do another rights issue or write off part of the £7m owed to the parent company and boost our income if really needed
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Also Wray said we have some flexibilry over it as you can't be expected to reduce your wages that quickly due to existing contracts - not sure how long that lasts for but with all the big earners gone - that could give PdC massive scope to add real quality
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It not just about money - I would like to think a player would choose us and PdC than Evans and Crawley if we offered say £500 a week less
Sadly LR, as much as I would like to agree with you, money talks .... especially at this level. I am sure that I read somewhere that there is a two season grace for the wage bill etc. Not sure how this computes to a club that has just come up from the BSP, does that mean that they have a couple of seasons to determine where their levels of income are at, and have to adjust accordingly ? If so, this may be why they can offer outrageous wages etc ?
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Who am I - I didn't know that until I read it - anyway most "news" in the adver is old and it is the comments which brings people back! . As for the 60% it is total income - so gifts from owners can boost your income. . So for example our board could do another rights issue or write off part of the £7m owed to the parent company and boost our income if really needed . Also Wray said we have some flexibilry over it as you can't be expected to reduce your wages that quickly due to existing contracts - not sure how long that lasts for but with all the big earners gone - that could give PdC massive scope to add real quality . It not just about money - I would like to think a player would choose us and PdC than Evans and Crawley if we offered say £500 a week less[/p][/quote]Sadly LR, as much as I would like to agree with you, money talks .... especially at this level. I am sure that I read somewhere that there is a two season grace for the wage bill etc. Not sure how this computes to a club that has just come up from the BSP, does that mean that they have a couple of seasons to determine where their levels of income are at, and have to adjust accordingly ? If so, this may be why they can offer outrageous wages etc ? Norfolk Red
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12:25pm Sat 4 Jun 11

thesixtyniner says...

According to the agents on twitter, news on first transfer released soon, definitely today. And they reckon we're also getting a loanee from Spurs.
According to the agents on twitter, news on first transfer released soon, definitely today. And they reckon we're also getting a loanee from Spurs. thesixtyniner
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12:48pm Sat 4 Jun 11

madterrier says...

SAPFanSTFC wrote:
Headline: Thomas deal is staggering!
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Cheltenham chairman Paul Baker says that they could not compete with the deal offered by Crawley to Wes Thomas.
.......
What elements are considered to be 'Revenue' when determining the baseline for the wage budget?
.......
Crawley have obviously found a stream of revenue which is basically someone pumping money into the club but I'm interested to know how they are introducing the money - especially when you consider that the person or organisation investing the money have to 'justify' it as an investment / sponsorship deal - otherwise they're paying additional taxes on the money which could mean that for evey 1mill GBP it is another 20% on top!?
......
If it isn't a VERY rich supporter happy to throw money at a dream then you have to wonder if the alleged 'Bad Money' or 'Money Laundering' accusations hold water?
Ordinarily there are lots of ways in which money can be 'pumped' into a club without it being treated as income. Issuing and buying shares is one, as is a loan (at whatever zero percentage interest terms etc.).

But you're right to raise the issue of Crawley. They haven't revealed who their mystery investors in the Far East are, or why they are pumping money into a club like Crawley. And they have form - they went into administration before and then had a couple of dodgy Middle East investors who were convicted of tax fraud.

And their manager, Evans, was convicted of tax fraud when he was at Boston.

The rules are too wishy washy in England. And don't expect the FA or Football League to do much.

But what's this about caps and restrictions in League 2 that someone suggested? I wasn't aware of anything.
[quote][p][bold]SAPFanSTFC[/bold] wrote: Headline: Thomas deal is staggering! ....... Cheltenham chairman Paul Baker says that they could not compete with the deal offered by Crawley to Wes Thomas. ....... What elements are considered to be 'Revenue' when determining the baseline for the wage budget? ....... Crawley have obviously found a stream of revenue which is basically someone pumping money into the club but I'm interested to know how they are introducing the money - especially when you consider that the person or organisation investing the money have to 'justify' it as an investment / sponsorship deal - otherwise they're paying additional taxes on the money which could mean that for evey 1mill GBP it is another 20% on top!? ...... If it isn't a VERY rich supporter happy to throw money at a dream then you have to wonder if the alleged 'Bad Money' or 'Money Laundering' accusations hold water?[/p][/quote]Ordinarily there are lots of ways in which money can be 'pumped' into a club without it being treated as income. Issuing and buying shares is one, as is a loan (at whatever zero percentage interest terms etc.). But you're right to raise the issue of Crawley. They haven't revealed who their mystery investors in the Far East are, or why they are pumping money into a club like Crawley. And they have form - they went into administration before and then had a couple of dodgy Middle East investors who were convicted of tax fraud. And their manager, Evans, was convicted of tax fraud when he was at Boston. The rules are too wishy washy in England. And don't expect the FA or Football League to do much. But what's this about caps and restrictions in League 2 that someone suggested? I wasn't aware of anything. madterrier
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1:17pm Sat 4 Jun 11

Swindon Abbot says...

The player that PDC is wanting to sign from his good friend Harry is a young striker called Harry Kane who is a 18 year regularly starting and scoring in the reserve team!!

Can someone tell me what the Twitter account name is of these agents???

Cheers...
The player that PDC is wanting to sign from his good friend Harry is a young striker called Harry Kane who is a 18 year regularly starting and scoring in the reserve team!! Can someone tell me what the Twitter account name is of these agents??? Cheers... Swindon Abbot
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1:29pm Sat 4 Jun 11

thesixtyniner says...

@ELITE the AGENTS, mate.
@ELITE the AGENTS, mate. thesixtyniner
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2:07pm Sat 4 Jun 11

Swindon Abbot says...

Cheers mate!
Cheers mate! Swindon Abbot
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3:14pm Sat 4 Jun 11

louiscassius says...

Where's this new signing being mentioned the other day?

That seems to have gone off the radar........

Louis
Where's this new signing being mentioned the other day? That seems to have gone off the radar........ Louis louiscassius
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3:55pm Sat 4 Jun 11

Pinehurstred says...

madterrier wrote:
SAPFanSTFC wrote:
Headline: Thomas deal is staggering!
.......
Cheltenham chairman Paul Baker says that they could not compete with the deal offered by Crawley to Wes Thomas.
.......
What elements are considered to be 'Revenue' when determining the baseline for the wage budget?
.......
Crawley have obviously found a stream of revenue which is basically someone pumping money into the club but I'm interested to know how they are introducing the money - especially when you consider that the person or organisation investing the money have to 'justify' it as an investment / sponsorship deal - otherwise they're paying additional taxes on the money which could mean that for evey 1mill GBP it is another 20% on top!?
......
If it isn't a VERY rich supporter happy to throw money at a dream then you have to wonder if the alleged 'Bad Money' or 'Money Laundering' accusations hold water?
Ordinarily there are lots of ways in which money can be 'pumped' into a club without it being treated as income. Issuing and buying shares is one, as is a loan (at whatever zero percentage interest terms etc.).

But you're right to raise the issue of Crawley. They haven't revealed who their mystery investors in the Far East are, or why they are pumping money into a club like Crawley. And they have form - they went into administration before and then had a couple of dodgy Middle East investors who were convicted of tax fraud.

And their manager, Evans, was convicted of tax fraud when he was at Boston.

The rules are too wishy washy in England. And don't expect the FA or Football League to do much.

But what's this about caps and restrictions in League 2 that someone suggested? I wasn't aware of anything.
It looks like other people are starting 2 wonder and ask questions on there money men?.
Could it be another notts county? or is it an old fan with money 2 burn!!!
OR IS IT JUST VERY JELLO'S FAN WHO WERE WISHING THAT THERE CLUB HAD THIS SORT OF MONEY 2 BURN..
[quote][p][bold]madterrier[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAPFanSTFC[/bold] wrote: Headline: Thomas deal is staggering! ....... Cheltenham chairman Paul Baker says that they could not compete with the deal offered by Crawley to Wes Thomas. ....... What elements are considered to be 'Revenue' when determining the baseline for the wage budget? ....... Crawley have obviously found a stream of revenue which is basically someone pumping money into the club but I'm interested to know how they are introducing the money - especially when you consider that the person or organisation investing the money have to 'justify' it as an investment / sponsorship deal - otherwise they're paying additional taxes on the money which could mean that for evey 1mill GBP it is another 20% on top!? ...... If it isn't a VERY rich supporter happy to throw money at a dream then you have to wonder if the alleged 'Bad Money' or 'Money Laundering' accusations hold water?[/p][/quote]Ordinarily there are lots of ways in which money can be 'pumped' into a club without it being treated as income. Issuing and buying shares is one, as is a loan (at whatever zero percentage interest terms etc.). But you're right to raise the issue of Crawley. They haven't revealed who their mystery investors in the Far East are, or why they are pumping money into a club like Crawley. And they have form - they went into administration before and then had a couple of dodgy Middle East investors who were convicted of tax fraud. And their manager, Evans, was convicted of tax fraud when he was at Boston. The rules are too wishy washy in England. And don't expect the FA or Football League to do much. But what's this about caps and restrictions in League 2 that someone suggested? I wasn't aware of anything.[/p][/quote]It looks like other people are starting 2 wonder and ask questions on there money men?. Could it be another notts county? or is it an old fan with money 2 burn!!! OR IS IT JUST VERY JELLO'S FAN WHO WERE WISHING THAT THERE CLUB HAD THIS SORT OF MONEY 2 BURN.. Pinehurstred
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3:59pm Sat 4 Jun 11

wurzelday says...

SAPFanSTFC wrote:
Headline: Thomas deal is staggering!
.......
Cheltenham chairman Paul Baker says that they could not compete with the deal offered by Crawley to Wes Thomas.
.......
What elements are considered to be 'Revenue' when determining the baseline for the wage budget?
.......
Crawley have obviously found a stream of revenue which is basically someone pumping money into the club but I'm interested to know how they are introducing the money - especially when you consider that the person or organisation investing the money have to 'justify' it as an investment / sponsorship deal - otherwise they're paying additional taxes on the money which could mean that for evey 1mill GBP it is another 20% on top!?
......
If it isn't a VERY rich supporter happy to throw money at a dream then you have to wonder if the alleged 'Bad Money' or 'Money Laundering' accusations hold water?
SAP, I mentioned crawley and thier 'financial dealings' a few weeks back, but it got rebuffed! I referenced that it was Evans fraud, that led to Bostons liquidation, as I was at the time supposed to be getting a trial with them. Believe me, it'll all come Crawleying out of the woodwork in 2 - 3 yrs, and then crawley will be liquidated.

PS, I live near newbury now. Any chance of a lift to matches. I'll go halves on fuel.
[quote][p][bold]SAPFanSTFC[/bold] wrote: Headline: Thomas deal is staggering! ....... Cheltenham chairman Paul Baker says that they could not compete with the deal offered by Crawley to Wes Thomas. ....... What elements are considered to be 'Revenue' when determining the baseline for the wage budget? ....... Crawley have obviously found a stream of revenue which is basically someone pumping money into the club but I'm interested to know how they are introducing the money - especially when you consider that the person or organisation investing the money have to 'justify' it as an investment / sponsorship deal - otherwise they're paying additional taxes on the money which could mean that for evey 1mill GBP it is another 20% on top!? ...... If it isn't a VERY rich supporter happy to throw money at a dream then you have to wonder if the alleged 'Bad Money' or 'Money Laundering' accusations hold water?[/p][/quote]SAP, I mentioned crawley and thier 'financial dealings' a few weeks back, but it got rebuffed! I referenced that it was Evans fraud, that led to Bostons liquidation, as I was at the time supposed to be getting a trial with them. Believe me, it'll all come Crawleying out of the woodwork in 2 - 3 yrs, and then crawley will be liquidated. PS, I live near newbury now. Any chance of a lift to matches. I'll go halves on fuel. wurzelday
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4:07pm Sat 4 Jun 11

wurzelday says...

Pinehurstred wrote:
madterrier wrote:
SAPFanSTFC wrote:
Headline: Thomas deal is staggering!
.......
Cheltenham chairman Paul Baker says that they could not compete with the deal offered by Crawley to Wes Thomas.
.......
What elements are considered to be 'Revenue' when determining the baseline for the wage budget?
.......
Crawley have obviously found a stream of revenue which is basically someone pumping money into the club but I'm interested to know how they are introducing the money - especially when you consider that the person or organisation investing the money have to 'justify' it as an investment / sponsorship deal - otherwise they're paying additional taxes on the money which could mean that for evey 1mill GBP it is another 20% on top!?
......
If it isn't a VERY rich supporter happy to throw money at a dream then you have to wonder if the alleged 'Bad Money' or 'Money Laundering' accusations hold water?
Ordinarily there are lots of ways in which money can be 'pumped' into a club without it being treated as income. Issuing and buying shares is one, as is a loan (at whatever zero percentage interest terms etc.).

But you're right to raise the issue of Crawley. They haven't revealed who their mystery investors in the Far East are, or why they are pumping money into a club like Crawley. And they have form - they went into administration before and then had a couple of dodgy Middle East investors who were convicted of tax fraud.

And their manager, Evans, was convicted of tax fraud when he was at Boston.

The rules are too wishy washy in England. And don't expect the FA or Football League to do much.

But what's this about caps and restrictions in League 2 that someone suggested? I wasn't aware of anything.
It looks like other people are starting 2 wonder and ask questions on there money men?.
Could it be another notts county? or is it an old fan with money 2 burn!!!
OR IS IT JUST VERY JELLO'S FAN WHO WERE WISHING THAT THERE CLUB HAD THIS SORT OF MONEY 2 BURN..
Not at all PR, this crawley business is certainly not whiter than white.
[quote][p][bold]Pinehurstred[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]madterrier[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAPFanSTFC[/bold] wrote: Headline: Thomas deal is staggering! ....... Cheltenham chairman Paul Baker says that they could not compete with the deal offered by Crawley to Wes Thomas. ....... What elements are considered to be 'Revenue' when determining the baseline for the wage budget? ....... Crawley have obviously found a stream of revenue which is basically someone pumping money into the club but I'm interested to know how they are introducing the money - especially when you consider that the person or organisation investing the money have to 'justify' it as an investment / sponsorship deal - otherwise they're paying additional taxes on the money which could mean that for evey 1mill GBP it is another 20% on top!? ...... If it isn't a VERY rich supporter happy to throw money at a dream then you have to wonder if the alleged 'Bad Money' or 'Money Laundering' accusations hold water?[/p][/quote]Ordinarily there are lots of ways in which money can be 'pumped' into a club without it being treated as income. Issuing and buying shares is one, as is a loan (at whatever zero percentage interest terms etc.). But you're right to raise the issue of Crawley. They haven't revealed who their mystery investors in the Far East are, or why they are pumping money into a club like Crawley. And they have form - they went into administration before and then had a couple of dodgy Middle East investors who were convicted of tax fraud. And their manager, Evans, was convicted of tax fraud when he was at Boston. The rules are too wishy washy in England. And don't expect the FA or Football League to do much. But what's this about caps and restrictions in League 2 that someone suggested? I wasn't aware of anything.[/p][/quote]It looks like other people are starting 2 wonder and ask questions on there money men?. Could it be another notts county? or is it an old fan with money 2 burn!!! OR IS IT JUST VERY JELLO'S FAN WHO WERE WISHING THAT THERE CLUB HAD THIS SORT OF MONEY 2 BURN..[/p][/quote]Not at all PR, this crawley business is certainly not whiter than white. wurzelday
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5:08pm Sat 4 Jun 11

the wizard says...

I think many would like to see Crawley fail in some way, basically because of Steve Evans and his dealings. I don't think though that most would welcome what falls on their supporters, who must be on the crest of a wave right now, and fair play to them, but should the bubble burst I fear that Evans and directors will be banned from positions in football and the club relegated back to obscurity, not clever for the average Joe who's main crime was to turn up each week like the majority of us have just done through a dire season, BUT I seem to remeber that we were singled out for far less folly, on several occasions.
I'll leave it there as folk will accuse me of being bitter.
I think many would like to see Crawley fail in some way, basically because of Steve Evans and his dealings. I don't think though that most would welcome what falls on their supporters, who must be on the crest of a wave right now, and fair play to them, but should the bubble burst I fear that Evans and directors will be banned from positions in football and the club relegated back to obscurity, not clever for the average Joe who's main crime was to turn up each week like the majority of us have just done through a dire season, BUT I seem to remeber that we were singled out for far less folly, on several occasions. I'll leave it there as folk will accuse me of being bitter. the wizard
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6:10pm Sat 4 Jun 11

Is that you Lovesey says...

Well I am sad to see Cuthbert go, I thought he was a good player, I will be proper sad to see Doigie go, we should be keeping players of his quality and building on them....

Remember JFL and Timlin havent signed with us yet, I dont think JPM will be staying and we are starting to run very thin on the ground with this squad... If we rely on the loan market and youngsters it could go from a season of promise to a very long year.... We will have to see what PDC brings in....

Scotty had to go as we didn't offer him a contract....
Well I am sad to see Cuthbert go, I thought he was a good player, I will be proper sad to see Doigie go, we should be keeping players of his quality and building on them.... Remember JFL and Timlin havent signed with us yet, I dont think JPM will be staying and we are starting to run very thin on the ground with this squad... If we rely on the loan market and youngsters it could go from a season of promise to a very long year.... We will have to see what PDC brings in.... Scotty had to go as we didn't offer him a contract.... Is that you Lovesey
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6:25pm Sat 4 Jun 11

London Red says...

Lovesey that last sentence says it all we did not take up his option or offer him an alternative as we did not want him!
.
These players may be higher than us next year but going to clubs like Orient and Notts shows they are just interested in money and certainly not as goo as they thought they were
.
Bet they thought they would be following Billy, Charlie and Sean to the Championship
.
Well if I get the tweeds of Elite right we are closing on 2 defenders 1 from England and 1 from overseas - that will fill their void and howfully improve it if big experienced leaders
Lovesey that last sentence says it all we did not take up his option or offer him an alternative as we did not want him! . These players may be higher than us next year but going to clubs like Orient and Notts shows they are just interested in money and certainly not as goo as they thought they were . Bet they thought they would be following Billy, Charlie and Sean to the Championship . Well if I get the tweeds of Elite right we are closing on 2 defenders 1 from England and 1 from overseas - that will fill their void and howfully improve it if big experienced leaders London Red
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6:45pm Sat 4 Jun 11

CharlieWho says...

"any ycfc news or potential signings soon?”do not know been very busy With #stfc so not called them."

From the agent, hopefully 3 or 4 deals surface in the coming weeks
"any ycfc news or potential signings soon?”do not know been very busy With #stfc so not called them." From the agent, hopefully 3 or 4 deals surface in the coming weeks CharlieWho
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6:59pm Sat 4 Jun 11

Is that you Lovesey says...

London Red wrote:
Lovesey that last sentence says it all we did not take up his option or offer him an alternative as we did not want him! . These players may be higher than us next year but going to clubs like Orient and Notts shows they are just interested in money and certainly not as goo as they thought they were . Bet they thought they would be following Billy, Charlie and Sean to the Championship . Well if I get the tweeds of Elite right we are closing on 2 defenders 1 from England and 1 from overseas - that will fill their void and howfully improve it if big experienced leaders
I know LR, I was only making the point as so many people were slagging Cuthbert off for going !!

I think the next couple of weeks could be very interesting, I also think Flint has potential to be playing at this level, as centre forward or central defence !!
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Lovesey that last sentence says it all we did not take up his option or offer him an alternative as we did not want him! . These players may be higher than us next year but going to clubs like Orient and Notts shows they are just interested in money and certainly not as goo as they thought they were . Bet they thought they would be following Billy, Charlie and Sean to the Championship . Well if I get the tweeds of Elite right we are closing on 2 defenders 1 from England and 1 from overseas - that will fill their void and howfully improve it if big experienced leaders[/p][/quote]I know LR, I was only making the point as so many people were slagging Cuthbert off for going !! I think the next couple of weeks could be very interesting, I also think Flint has potential to be playing at this level, as centre forward or central defence !! Is that you Lovesey
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7:25pm Sat 4 Jun 11

melnursesear. says...

at last a new subscriber on these hallowd pages.i believe i must live near lazaat.as a entertainer working weekends i only get to see the town now on weekday eves or occasional saturday northern grounds..anyhow i enjoy listening to the wrist slashers on here and offer the following ideas..it is obvious that pdc is only going to use stfc as a stepping stone is things go very well to begin with,but new untried managers can do well in div4.my nearest team burton albion have settled well with pesky in charge.the away end only holds 900 so get in fast if its first game!!the local beer is brilliant though..did you know pb was offered a 2yr contract if he took it he would have got 600 mins and unlimited txts!!.div4 has changed this year with money being available lets hope we hit the ground running....
at last a new subscriber on these hallowd pages.i believe i must live near lazaat.as a entertainer working weekends i only get to see the town now on weekday eves or occasional saturday northern grounds..anyhow i enjoy listening to the wrist slashers on here and offer the following ideas..it is obvious that pdc is only going to use stfc as a stepping stone is things go very well to begin with,but new untried managers can do well in div4.my nearest team burton albion have settled well with pesky in charge.the away end only holds 900 so get in fast if its first game!!the local beer is brilliant though..did you know pb was offered a 2yr contract if he took it he would have got 600 mins and unlimited txts!!.div4 has changed this year with money being available[wombles and creepy crawley etc] lets hope we hit the ground running.... melnursesear.
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7:31pm Sat 4 Jun 11

bivver says...

Is that you Lovesey wrote:
Well I am sad to see Cuthbert go, I thought he was a good player, I will be proper sad to see Doigie go, we should be keeping players of his quality and building on them.... Remember JFL and Timlin havent signed with us yet, I dont think JPM will be staying and we are starting to run very thin on the ground with this squad... If we rely on the loan market and youngsters it could go from a season of promise to a very long year.... We will have to see what PDC brings in.... Scotty had to go as we didn't offer him a contract....
I bow to the superior knowledge of you regulars on here and my memory of what's happened lately is a bit hazy. So could someone help me out and tell me who HAS signed for next season ? It's quite a short list isn't it ? ie. do we have enough for a five a side team ?
(s/w = sure-pass .... but who to ?)
[quote][p][bold]Is that you Lovesey[/bold] wrote: Well I am sad to see Cuthbert go, I thought he was a good player, I will be proper sad to see Doigie go, we should be keeping players of his quality and building on them.... Remember JFL and Timlin havent signed with us yet, I dont think JPM will be staying and we are starting to run very thin on the ground with this squad... If we rely on the loan market and youngsters it could go from a season of promise to a very long year.... We will have to see what PDC brings in.... Scotty had to go as we didn't offer him a contract....[/p][/quote]I bow to the superior knowledge of you regulars on here and my memory of what's happened lately is a bit hazy. So could someone help me out and tell me who HAS signed for next season ? It's quite a short list isn't it ? ie. do we have enough for a five a side team ? (s/w = sure-pass .... but who to ?) bivver
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8:16pm Sat 4 Jun 11

SAPFanSTFC says...

wurzelday wrote:
SAPFanSTFC wrote: Headline: Thomas deal is staggering! ....... Cheltenham chairman Paul Baker says that they could not compete with the deal offered by Crawley to Wes Thomas. ....... What elements are considered to be 'Revenue' when determining the baseline for the wage budget? ....... Crawley have obviously found a stream of revenue which is basically someone pumping money into the club but I'm interested to know how they are introducing the money - especially when you consider that the person or organisation investing the money have to 'justify' it as an investment / sponsorship deal - otherwise they're paying additional taxes on the money which could mean that for evey 1mill GBP it is another 20% on top!? ...... If it isn't a VERY rich supporter happy to throw money at a dream then you have to wonder if the alleged 'Bad Money' or 'Money Laundering' accusations hold water?
SAP, I mentioned crawley and thier 'financial dealings' a few weeks back, but it got rebuffed! I referenced that it was Evans fraud, that led to Bostons liquidation, as I was at the time supposed to be getting a trial with them. Believe me, it'll all come Crawleying out of the woodwork in 2 - 3 yrs, and then crawley will be liquidated. PS, I live near newbury now. Any chance of a lift to matches. I'll go halves on fuel.
Hi there Wurzelday, all a bit strange down there if you ask me and think you're right - they won't be able to keep it hidden.
.....
No problem re: lifts to Saturday games more than happy but I do tend to get to Swindon for 12.30 and don't leave until nearer 5.30pm at earliest as I meet my Dad and go into the members room....I also head home via Shrivenham so not the usual timings.
....another one is MrMikeBos he tends to go to games at a more normal time and goes from Thatcham plus one or two others I think who go to home games - We ought to start our own RoyalBerksReds naming group to help to identify who can do car shares etc.
[quote][p][bold]wurzelday[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAPFanSTFC[/bold] wrote: Headline: Thomas deal is staggering! ....... Cheltenham chairman Paul Baker says that they could not compete with the deal offered by Crawley to Wes Thomas. ....... What elements are considered to be 'Revenue' when determining the baseline for the wage budget? ....... Crawley have obviously found a stream of revenue which is basically someone pumping money into the club but I'm interested to know how they are introducing the money - especially when you consider that the person or organisation investing the money have to 'justify' it as an investment / sponsorship deal - otherwise they're paying additional taxes on the money which could mean that for evey 1mill GBP it is another 20% on top!? ...... If it isn't a VERY rich supporter happy to throw money at a dream then you have to wonder if the alleged 'Bad Money' or 'Money Laundering' accusations hold water?[/p][/quote]SAP, I mentioned crawley and thier 'financial dealings' a few weeks back, but it got rebuffed! I referenced that it was Evans fraud, that led to Bostons liquidation, as I was at the time supposed to be getting a trial with them. Believe me, it'll all come Crawleying out of the woodwork in 2 - 3 yrs, and then crawley will be liquidated. PS, I live near newbury now. Any chance of a lift to matches. I'll go halves on fuel.[/p][/quote]Hi there Wurzelday, all a bit strange down there if you ask me and think you're right - they won't be able to keep it hidden. ..... No problem re: lifts to Saturday games more than happy but I do tend to get to Swindon for 12.30 and don't leave until nearer 5.30pm at earliest as I meet my Dad and go into the members room....I also head home via Shrivenham so not the usual timings. ....another one is MrMikeBos he tends to go to games at a more normal time and goes from Thatcham plus one or two others I think who go to home games - We ought to start our own RoyalBerksReds naming group to help to identify who can do car shares etc. SAPFanSTFC
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8:18pm Sat 4 Jun 11

SAPFanSTFC says...

madterrier wrote:
SAPFanSTFC wrote: Headline: Thomas deal is staggering! ....... Cheltenham chairman Paul Baker says that they could not compete with the deal offered by Crawley to Wes Thomas. ....... What elements are considered to be 'Revenue' when determining the baseline for the wage budget? ....... Crawley have obviously found a stream of revenue which is basically someone pumping money into the club but I'm interested to know how they are introducing the money - especially when you consider that the person or organisation investing the money have to 'justify' it as an investment / sponsorship deal - otherwise they're paying additional taxes on the money which could mean that for evey 1mill GBP it is another 20% on top!? ...... If it isn't a VERY rich supporter happy to throw money at a dream then you have to wonder if the alleged 'Bad Money' or 'Money Laundering' accusations hold water?
Ordinarily there are lots of ways in which money can be 'pumped' into a club without it being treated as income. Issuing and buying shares is one, as is a loan (at whatever zero percentage interest terms etc.). But you're right to raise the issue of Crawley. They haven't revealed who their mystery investors in the Far East are, or why they are pumping money into a club like Crawley. And they have form - they went into administration before and then had a couple of dodgy Middle East investors who were convicted of tax fraud. And their manager, Evans, was convicted of tax fraud when he was at Boston. The rules are too wishy washy in England. And don't expect the FA or Football League to do much. But what's this about caps and restrictions in League 2 that someone suggested? I wasn't aware of anything.
Think it is 60% of 'Revenue' can be allocated for wages and no more - its the word 'Revenue' that makes it all a bit fishy from Crawley's point of view.
[quote][p][bold]madterrier[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAPFanSTFC[/bold] wrote: Headline: Thomas deal is staggering! ....... Cheltenham chairman Paul Baker says that they could not compete with the deal offered by Crawley to Wes Thomas. ....... What elements are considered to be 'Revenue' when determining the baseline for the wage budget? ....... Crawley have obviously found a stream of revenue which is basically someone pumping money into the club but I'm interested to know how they are introducing the money - especially when you consider that the person or organisation investing the money have to 'justify' it as an investment / sponsorship deal - otherwise they're paying additional taxes on the money which could mean that for evey 1mill GBP it is another 20% on top!? ...... If it isn't a VERY rich supporter happy to throw money at a dream then you have to wonder if the alleged 'Bad Money' or 'Money Laundering' accusations hold water?[/p][/quote]Ordinarily there are lots of ways in which money can be 'pumped' into a club without it being treated as income. Issuing and buying shares is one, as is a loan (at whatever zero percentage interest terms etc.). But you're right to raise the issue of Crawley. They haven't revealed who their mystery investors in the Far East are, or why they are pumping money into a club like Crawley. And they have form - they went into administration before and then had a couple of dodgy Middle East investors who were convicted of tax fraud. And their manager, Evans, was convicted of tax fraud when he was at Boston. The rules are too wishy washy in England. And don't expect the FA or Football League to do much. But what's this about caps and restrictions in League 2 that someone suggested? I wasn't aware of anything.[/p][/quote]Think it is 60% of 'Revenue' can be allocated for wages and no more - its the word 'Revenue' that makes it all a bit fishy from Crawley's point of view. SAPFanSTFC
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8:23pm Sat 4 Jun 11

SAPFanSTFC says...

melnursesear. wrote:
at last a new subscriber on these hallowd pages.i believe i must live near lazaat.as a entertainer working weekends i only get to see the town now on weekday eves or occasional saturday northern grounds..anyhow i enjoy listening to the wrist slashers on here and offer the following ideas..it is obvious that pdc is only going to use stfc as a stepping stone is things go very well to begin with,but new untried managers can do well in div4.my nearest team burton albion have settled well with pesky in charge.the away end only holds 900 so get in fast if its first game!!the local beer is brilliant though..did you know pb was offered a 2yr contract if he took it he would have got 600 mins and unlimited txts!!.div4 has changed this year with money being available lets hope we hit the ground running....
I'll certainly be up to Burton for that away game if the day falls ok - I spent just under a year working up there next to the marmite factory and really enjoyed it - theywere still BSP or whatever it was called at the time but a well run set up.
[quote][p][bold]melnursesear.[/bold] wrote: at last a new subscriber on these hallowd pages.i believe i must live near lazaat.as a entertainer working weekends i only get to see the town now on weekday eves or occasional saturday northern grounds..anyhow i enjoy listening to the wrist slashers on here and offer the following ideas..it is obvious that pdc is only going to use stfc as a stepping stone is things go very well to begin with,but new untried managers can do well in div4.my nearest team burton albion have settled well with pesky in charge.the away end only holds 900 so get in fast if its first game!!the local beer is brilliant though..did you know pb was offered a 2yr contract if he took it he would have got 600 mins and unlimited txts!!.div4 has changed this year with money being available[wombles and creepy crawley etc] lets hope we hit the ground running....[/p][/quote]I'll certainly be up to Burton for that away game if the day falls ok - I spent just under a year working up there next to the marmite factory and really enjoyed it - theywere still BSP or whatever it was called at the time but a well run set up. SAPFanSTFC
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8:45pm Sat 4 Jun 11

London Red says...

Bivver - the following are signed up:
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GK Lucas
GK Smith
RB Amankwaah
LB Kennedy
CB Flint
CB Evans
RM Caddis
RM JPM
LM Ritchie
CM Ferry
CM Clark
CM Said
CF Benyon
CF Bodin
CF Pavett
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Offered:
GK Scott
RB Thompson
CB JFL
CM Timlin
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Undecided/Unreported
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CM Douglas
CF Pericard
Bivver - the following are signed up: . GK Lucas GK Smith RB Amankwaah LB Kennedy CB Flint CB Evans RM Caddis RM JPM LM Ritchie CM Ferry CM Clark CM Said CF Benyon CF Bodin CF Pavett . Offered: GK Scott RB Thompson CB JFL CM Timlin . Undecided/Unreported : . CM Douglas CF Pericard London Red
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8:49pm Sat 4 Jun 11

London Red says...

So that is 13 seniors signed up
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This would rise to 17 if the 4 offered sign
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This could then become 18 or 19 if we keep JD and VP
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So 5 new guys would be fine if we get the 4 offered to say yes as that makes it 22 which could be "topped" up by loanees etc
So that is 13 seniors signed up . This would rise to 17 if the 4 offered sign . This could then become 18 or 19 if we keep JD and VP . So 5 new guys would be fine if we get the 4 offered to say yes as that makes it 22 which could be "topped" up by loanees etc London Red
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9:13pm Sat 4 Jun 11

melnursesear. says...

further to my earlier post ..I also wonder where crawley and others get their pennies from..just remember notts county couple of years ago..supposedly rolling in it ex england manager etc ..just escaped div 4 last year{thanx swindon] but i do have good vibes about pdc appointment wish him luck..hes going to need it I fear.div4 teams certainly love kicking good teams at least we get to beat the pox twice..get the champagne on ice..
further to my earlier post ..I also wonder where crawley and others get their pennies from..just remember notts county couple of years ago..supposedly rolling in it ex england manager etc ..just escaped div 4 last year{thanx swindon] but i do have good vibes about pdc appointment wish him luck..hes going to need it I fear.div4 teams certainly love kicking good teams at least we get to beat the pox twice..get the champagne on ice.. melnursesear.
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9:29pm Sat 4 Jun 11

Oi Den! says...

London Red wrote:
So that is 13 seniors signed up . This would rise to 17 if the 4 offered sign . This could then become 18 or 19 if we keep JD and VP . So 5 new guys would be fine if we get the 4 offered to say yes as that makes it 22 which could be "topped" up by loanees etc
Trouble is, LR, it's not so much about quantity as quality. If we had 18 or 19 good players, we'd be fine. I don't go along with the theory that you need two players for every position. Anyone who is good enough to be a professional footballer must have some versatility about him - and the first eleven are not all going to be injured or suspended at the same time. The list you've provided shows what a weak outfit we are. Those 4 or 5 new players are going to have to be very good if we're not going to be set for another awful season.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: So that is 13 seniors signed up . This would rise to 17 if the 4 offered sign . This could then become 18 or 19 if we keep JD and VP . So 5 new guys would be fine if we get the 4 offered to say yes as that makes it 22 which could be "topped" up by loanees etc[/p][/quote]Trouble is, LR, it's not so much about quantity as quality. If we had 18 or 19 good players, we'd be fine. I don't go along with the theory that you need two players for every position. Anyone who is good enough to be a professional footballer must have some versatility about him - and the first eleven are not all going to be injured or suspended at the same time. The list you've provided shows what a weak outfit we are. Those 4 or 5 new players are going to have to be very good if we're not going to be set for another awful season. Oi Den!
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9:56pm Sat 4 Jun 11

bivver says...

London Red wrote:
So that is 13 seniors signed up . This would rise to 17 if the 4 offered sign . This could then become 18 or 19 if we keep JD and VP . So 5 new guys would be fine if we get the 4 offered to say yes as that makes it 22 which could be "topped" up by loanees etc
... thanx for that London Red !
I really didn't think that you'd have to type out quite so many names. I'll try to keep up in future.
It doesn't help remembering players when the matches I've seen recently have been played by a bunch of anonymous mediocrities all running around aimlessly in circles. Ferry excepted. Where were the big characters stamping their authority ? Also there are some like that Polish keeper who haven't been given a chance and some who are tosh who've been played week in and week out.
I'm now going to make a list so that I can do better 2011 - 2012. I'm hoping that there will be some strong memorable characters on the pitch as well as the one on the touchline.
Here's hoping.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: So that is 13 seniors signed up . This would rise to 17 if the 4 offered sign . This could then become 18 or 19 if we keep JD and VP . So 5 new guys would be fine if we get the 4 offered to say yes as that makes it 22 which could be "topped" up by loanees etc[/p][/quote]... thanx for that London Red ! I really didn't think that you'd have to type out quite so many names. I'll try to keep up in future. It doesn't help remembering players when the matches I've seen recently have been played by a bunch of anonymous mediocrities all running around aimlessly in circles. Ferry excepted. Where were the big characters stamping their authority ? Also there are some like that Polish keeper who haven't been given a chance and some who are tosh who've been played week in and week out. I'm now going to make a list so that I can do better 2011 - 2012. I'm hoping that there will be some strong memorable characters on the pitch as well as the one on the touchline. Here's hoping. bivver
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11:53pm Sat 4 Jun 11

Wilesy says...

I have some concerns looking at London Reds list. We only have 2 experienced, senior outfield pros currently signed. Manks and JPM. Of the rest there are a few who have a bit of experience. Ferry, Ritchie, Caddis, and I presume Benyon. Now all the twitter talk is about young loan signings from Italy, Chelsea, Spurs which is all well and good but I want to see a few experienced guys named, and actual signings not just loans. I'm sure all is in hand but that's four out the door now and none in, so some news soon would be welcomed.
I have some concerns looking at London Reds list. We only have 2 experienced, senior outfield pros currently signed. Manks and JPM. Of the rest there are a few who have a bit of experience. Ferry, Ritchie, Caddis, and I presume Benyon. Now all the twitter talk is about young loan signings from Italy, Chelsea, Spurs which is all well and good but I want to see a few experienced guys named, and actual signings not just loans. I'm sure all is in hand but that's four out the door now and none in, so some news soon would be welcomed. Wilesy
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8:13am Sun 5 Jun 11

stokes_stfc says...

Oi Den! wrote:
London Red wrote:
So that is 13 seniors signed up . This would rise to 17 if the 4 offered sign . This could then become 18 or 19 if we keep JD and VP . So 5 new guys would be fine if we get the 4 offered to say yes as that makes it 22 which could be "topped" up by loanees etc
Trouble is, LR, it's not so much about quantity as quality. If we had 18 or 19 good players, we'd be fine. I don't go along with the theory that you need two players for every position. Anyone who is good enough to be a professional footballer must have some versatility about him - and the first eleven are not all going to be injured or suspended at the same time. The list you've provided shows what a weak outfit we are. Those 4 or 5 new players are going to have to be very good if we're not going to be set for another awful season.
spot on Den. I have every faith that PdC will sort it out and get the numbers in, but as it stands we need those 4 or 5 quality signings. If we sell JPM and don't sign up douglas, that's another 2 good signings that we'll need. I'm a bit concerned that we seem to be linked mostly with young players (like the boy from chelsea, harry kane at spurs, and the 2 at AC milan). I'm sure they are all very good players, but of the 4 or 5 we are looking to bring in, I'd want 2 or 3 of them to have a bit of experience
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: So that is 13 seniors signed up . This would rise to 17 if the 4 offered sign . This could then become 18 or 19 if we keep JD and VP . So 5 new guys would be fine if we get the 4 offered to say yes as that makes it 22 which could be "topped" up by loanees etc[/p][/quote]Trouble is, LR, it's not so much about quantity as quality. If we had 18 or 19 good players, we'd be fine. I don't go along with the theory that you need two players for every position. Anyone who is good enough to be a professional footballer must have some versatility about him - and the first eleven are not all going to be injured or suspended at the same time. The list you've provided shows what a weak outfit we are. Those 4 or 5 new players are going to have to be very good if we're not going to be set for another awful season.[/p][/quote]spot on Den. I have every faith that PdC will sort it out and get the numbers in, but as it stands we need those 4 or 5 quality signings. If we sell JPM and don't sign up douglas, that's another 2 good signings that we'll need. I'm a bit concerned that we seem to be linked mostly with young players (like the boy from chelsea, harry kane at spurs, and the 2 at AC milan). I'm sure they are all very good players, but of the 4 or 5 we are looking to bring in, I'd want 2 or 3 of them to have a bit of experience stokes_stfc
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10:06am Sun 5 Jun 11

thesixtyniner says...

Does anyone think we're up to our old tricks again - namely, attracting decent players only for negotiations to stall on small print, like refusing them a parking spot or making them pay for their own socks?!
Does anyone think we're up to our old tricks again - namely, attracting decent players only for negotiations to stall on small print, like refusing them a parking spot or making them pay for their own socks?! thesixtyniner
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10:09am Sun 5 Jun 11

Med Red says...

Oi Den! wrote:
London Red wrote: So that is 13 seniors signed up . This would rise to 17 if the 4 offered sign . This could then become 18 or 19 if we keep JD and VP . So 5 new guys would be fine if we get the 4 offered to say yes as that makes it 22 which could be "topped" up by loanees etc
Trouble is, LR, it's not so much about quantity as quality. If we had 18 or 19 good players, we'd be fine. I don't go along with the theory that you need two players for every position. Anyone who is good enough to be a professional footballer must have some versatility about him - and the first eleven are not all going to be injured or suspended at the same time. The list you've provided shows what a weak outfit we are. Those 4 or 5 new players are going to have to be very good if we're not going to be set for another awful season.
Agreed Den, the last 5 players on the confirmed list are pretty uninspiring. Plus we have 2 poor goalkeepers and Kennedy, Evans and Flint all having very little first team experience. Then we have a bunch of vertically challenged midfielders. We have a very weak team!!
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: So that is 13 seniors signed up . This would rise to 17 if the 4 offered sign . This could then become 18 or 19 if we keep JD and VP . So 5 new guys would be fine if we get the 4 offered to say yes as that makes it 22 which could be "topped" up by loanees etc[/p][/quote]Trouble is, LR, it's not so much about quantity as quality. If we had 18 or 19 good players, we'd be fine. I don't go along with the theory that you need two players for every position. Anyone who is good enough to be a professional footballer must have some versatility about him - and the first eleven are not all going to be injured or suspended at the same time. The list you've provided shows what a weak outfit we are. Those 4 or 5 new players are going to have to be very good if we're not going to be set for another awful season.[/p][/quote]Agreed Den, the last 5 players on the confirmed list are pretty uninspiring. Plus we have 2 poor goalkeepers and Kennedy, Evans and Flint all having very little first team experience. Then we have a bunch of vertically challenged midfielders. We have a very weak team!! Med Red
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10:12am Sun 5 Jun 11

STFCLetsGetRocked says...

SAPFanSTFC, Thatcham - I agree with your point on Crawley, as I can't see how they will sustain their finances. Especially after one of their owners died not too long ago.

Most Crawley fans don't care, however who's to say they won't end up like Notts. County did when it all went Munto for them?

I can see them crashing back down to non-league before long.

Stokes, I wouldn't worry about young Harry Kane. The lad is being talked about as a great player in the making and did well with Orient last season. He knows where the net is, which is something our current strikers don't.

As for AC Milan youngsters, would be nice but I don't see it happening personally.

Get an enforcer in midfield like Mahon, a flying winger like Anyinsah and two new 'keepers and a better defence alongside some loan forwards and we'll be among the favourites for promotion.

My starting line-up for next season would be:

GK - Mark Howard
LB - Tom Cruise (the footballer!)
RB - Kevin Amankwaah (if fit) if not Stephen Wright
CB - Christian Daily (capt.)
CB - Lescinel Jean-Francois or Claude Davis
LM - Matt Ritchie (if he stays) or Michael Timlin
RM - Simon Ferry or John-Paul McGovern
CM - Gavin Mahon
CM - Steve Irwin
ST - Billy Bodin
ST - Elliott Benyon

s/w - plan-idea
SAPFanSTFC, Thatcham - I agree with your point on Crawley, as I can't see how they will sustain their finances. Especially after one of their owners died not too long ago. Most Crawley fans don't care, however who's to say they won't end up like Notts. County did when it all went Munto for them? I can see them crashing back down to non-league before long. Stokes, I wouldn't worry about young Harry Kane. The lad is being talked about as a great player in the making and did well with Orient last season. He knows where the net is, which is something our current strikers don't. As for AC Milan youngsters, would be nice but I don't see it happening personally. Get an enforcer in midfield like Mahon, a flying winger like Anyinsah and two new 'keepers and a better defence alongside some loan forwards and we'll be among the favourites for promotion. My starting line-up for next season would be: GK - Mark Howard LB - Tom Cruise (the footballer!) RB - Kevin Amankwaah (if fit) if not Stephen Wright CB - Christian Daily (capt.) CB - Lescinel Jean-Francois or Claude Davis LM - Matt Ritchie (if he stays) or Michael Timlin RM - Simon Ferry or John-Paul McGovern CM - Gavin Mahon CM - Steve Irwin ST - Billy Bodin ST - Elliott Benyon s/w - plan-idea STFCLetsGetRocked
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10:15am Sun 5 Jun 11

Davidsyrett says...

Ref Crawley: I think your find that revenue isn't just gate receipts and merchandise, it can also be share issue's. Releasing more shares so that investors can buy them up and inject money into the club that still comes under revenue (correct me if I'm wrong).
As for loan signings I would be surprised if they arrived much before the start of the season (Unless on a seasons loan) so this doesn't quite add up with PdC wanting his team together at the start of pre-season training.
Ref Crawley: I think your find that revenue isn't just gate receipts and merchandise, it can also be share issue's. Releasing more shares so that investors can buy them up and inject money into the club that still comes under revenue (correct me if I'm wrong). As for loan signings I would be surprised if they arrived much before the start of the season (Unless on a seasons loan) so this doesn't quite add up with PdC wanting his team together at the start of pre-season training. Davidsyrett
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10:27am Sun 5 Jun 11

Davidsyrett says...

STFCLetsGetRocked wrote:
SAPFanSTFC, Thatcham - I agree with your point on Crawley, as I can't see how they will sustain their finances. Especially after one of their owners died not too long ago. Most Crawley fans don't care, however who's to say they won't end up like Notts. County did when it all went Munto for them? I can see them crashing back down to non-league before long. Stokes, I wouldn't worry about young Harry Kane. The lad is being talked about as a great player in the making and did well with Orient last season. He knows where the net is, which is something our current strikers don't. As for AC Milan youngsters, would be nice but I don't see it happening personally. Get an enforcer in midfield like Mahon, a flying winger like Anyinsah and two new 'keepers and a better defence alongside some loan forwards and we'll be among the favourites for promotion. My starting line-up for next season would be: GK - Mark Howard LB - Tom Cruise (the footballer!) RB - Kevin Amankwaah (if fit) if not Stephen Wright CB - Christian Daily (capt.) CB - Lescinel Jean-Francois or Claude Davis LM - Matt Ritchie (if he stays) or Michael Timlin RM - Simon Ferry or John-Paul McGovern CM - Gavin Mahon CM - Steve Irwin ST - Billy Bodin ST - Elliott Benyon s/w - plan-idea
Interesting team:
Wouldn't want Daily. PdC has mentioned 3 out of the 5 will be from Italy so wouldn't expect the defence to line up like that. Would certainly prefer S. Wright to big Kev though. In midfield only Richie would be a starter for me (Mahon would be great but I cant see PdC wanting him) No good Ferry playing on Right wing, (CM or not at all) Neither him or Timlin have enough pace to play wide.
Need a new center forward for a start, I cannot see PdC starting with those 2 reguarly.
No place for Caddis, funnily enough I agree with that, good last season but for me not strong enough at right back, and not quick or skillful enough for RM. Having sais that unless we sell him I cant see him sitting on the bench all season
[quote][p][bold]STFCLetsGetRocked[/bold] wrote: SAPFanSTFC, Thatcham - I agree with your point on Crawley, as I can't see how they will sustain their finances. Especially after one of their owners died not too long ago. Most Crawley fans don't care, however who's to say they won't end up like Notts. County did when it all went Munto for them? I can see them crashing back down to non-league before long. Stokes, I wouldn't worry about young Harry Kane. The lad is being talked about as a great player in the making and did well with Orient last season. He knows where the net is, which is something our current strikers don't. As for AC Milan youngsters, would be nice but I don't see it happening personally. Get an enforcer in midfield like Mahon, a flying winger like Anyinsah and two new 'keepers and a better defence alongside some loan forwards and we'll be among the favourites for promotion. My starting line-up for next season would be: GK - Mark Howard LB - Tom Cruise (the footballer!) RB - Kevin Amankwaah (if fit) if not Stephen Wright CB - Christian Daily (capt.) CB - Lescinel Jean-Francois or Claude Davis LM - Matt Ritchie (if he stays) or Michael Timlin RM - Simon Ferry or John-Paul McGovern CM - Gavin Mahon CM - Steve Irwin ST - Billy Bodin ST - Elliott Benyon s/w - plan-idea[/p][/quote]Interesting team: Wouldn't want Daily. PdC has mentioned 3 out of the 5 will be from Italy so wouldn't expect the defence to line up like that. Would certainly prefer S. Wright to big Kev though. In midfield only Richie would be a starter for me (Mahon would be great but I cant see PdC wanting him) No good Ferry playing on Right wing, (CM or not at all) Neither him or Timlin have enough pace to play wide. Need a new center forward for a start, I cannot see PdC starting with those 2 reguarly. No place for Caddis, funnily enough I agree with that, good last season but for me not strong enough at right back, and not quick or skillful enough for RM. Having sais that unless we sell him I cant see him sitting on the bench all season Davidsyrett
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12:42pm Sun 5 Jun 11

smirg kcab says...

its great to hear from such people on how the game should be played,how on earth do managers i.e wilson/ hart ever get jobs in higher divisions? if fitton asked wilson on the interview wot style would you embrace and he said hoof the ball as high as you can for a pigme to win headers,and hart well if we play a 5/5/0 formation and not get in the oposition half is far beyond a joke................
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we all look forward and will give 100% behind mr d-i-c-a-n-i-o and crew welcome aboard the sn1 roller coaster ride..........good luck and look forward to some great signings (cant wait even tho i did not renew my s/t
its great to hear from such people on how the game should be played,how on earth do managers i.e wilson/ hart ever get jobs in higher divisions? if fitton asked wilson on the interview wot style would you embrace and he said hoof the ball as high as you can for a pigme to win headers,and hart well if we play a 5/5/0 formation and not get in the oposition half is far beyond a joke................ ................ we all look forward and will give 100% behind mr d-i-c-a-n-i-o and crew welcome aboard the sn1 roller coaster ride..........good luck and look forward to some great signings (cant wait even tho i did not renew my s/t smirg kcab
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2:48pm Sun 5 Jun 11

Micky Hazard says...

For those of us wanting to see incomings sooner rather than later, I've copied/pasted a tweet from Elite Agents, which has made me look forward to the coming week a bit more;
“@JSPhotographyUK: @ELITEtheAGENTS care to have a guess at how many #stfc signings next week?” 2-3
For those of us wanting to see incomings sooner rather than later, I've copied/pasted a tweet from Elite Agents, which has made me look forward to the coming week a bit more; “@JSPhotographyUK: @ELITEtheAGENTS care to have a guess at how many #stfc signings next week?” 2-3 Micky Hazard
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4:02pm Sun 5 Jun 11

STFCLetsGetRocked says...

I'd be interested in seeing who these Italian players are.

It sounds good, but let us hope that they do not turn out to be 'foreign flops' or that they can play and understand the English game.

However, I'm sure that Paolo will come good with the transfers.
I'd be interested in seeing who these Italian players are. It sounds good, but let us hope that they do not turn out to be 'foreign flops' or that they can play and understand the English game. However, I'm sure that Paolo will come good with the transfers. STFCLetsGetRocked
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4:48pm Sun 5 Jun 11

London Red says...

I agree to a certain extent with posts above regarding the squad - but don't think it is as bad as some are making out
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For the 5 new signings I think these will not include loanees - I believe these will all be perm and from those 22-24 PdC will have the base of his squad - he will then look to add to it with a few loans here and there - which is fine as long as 90% are perm so next season it is not a totally different team
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As for signings I thought he said overseas not just Italy. He also said most will be British - so that makes Ricketts a prime target - overseas but British but probably off most radars
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As for the squa itself while not perfect or finished the basis is already there
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Keepers
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Ideally we would go out and get a new one as ours are not great - however, they are not totally useless and that is why for me that is a next season key target
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Smith played a major role in winning promotion from this league for us and Lucas has shown when fit he is a real asset
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Most of the errors came from team orders - ie the quick throw out. Macca commented that it was clearly instructed that they do that even though it was not always the best thing for them to do
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Therefore, if PdC takes a different approach this errors would be eliminated
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Defence
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I'm assuming JFL will sign so have included him in the current reckoning
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That gives us a back 4 of Manks Flint JFL and Kennedy with Thompson and Evans as back up
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Clearly we are a CB and LB short - so that should be on the list of targets
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However, I'm more than happy with 3 of them as our back for - with JFL and Flint fighting to partner the new experienced guy - Naylor, Davis, Rui Marquis or Ashton would all be excellent
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I don't get the Kennedy knocking as everytime he has played he has excelled This includes 2 last season against promoted Saints and against the leagues best winger who is now in the Premiership!
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Midfield
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As with JFL I assume Timlin will sign and. Therefore will form part of the following:
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Caddis Ferry Timlin and Ritchie
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If Timlin isn't there or not favoured JPM could come I either on the right with PC going to DM or him in the middle
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Ideally Douglas would sign and he will partner Ferry. If not I would want another experienced pro signed Mahon or Rea would be excellent
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We would probably need another winger too - left sided to add depth, competition etc
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This we are too small is completely overplayed as some of L2 best players are small - ala Nicky Law at only 5'10
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Timlin did very well at Souhend and Ritchie has played there with Notts so they are not strangers
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Plus with Kennedy, Amankwaah, JFL all over 6 ft and Flint over 6'5 we have ample of height at the back - where it counts
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Like Donatteli said it's about strength, agility and specific movements - all not related to height!
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Plus we should be looking for a big man up top to add more height.
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Forwards
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Benyon is our only senior striker but is proven at this level with 14 in 26 for Torquay last year
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However, with Bodin and Pavett being inexperienced we will need a couple more - with one being a big target man
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Donaldson and Mooney would be great
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Overall
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As said at the top not finished yet - but with 7 or 8 of the starting XI looking good enough - we are not that far off being "finished"
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Plus then we are likely to have Flint, JPM and Timlin on the bench - so that is quite strong already - before we have added any new players or loanees
I agree to a certain extent with posts above regarding the squad - but don't think it is as bad as some are making out . For the 5 new signings I think these will not include loanees - I believe these will all be perm and from those 22-24 PdC will have the base of his squad - he will then look to add to it with a few loans here and there - which is fine as long as 90% are perm so next season it is not a totally different team . As for signings I thought he said overseas not just Italy. He also said most will be British - so that makes Ricketts a prime target - overseas but British but probably off most radars . As for the squa itself while not perfect or finished the basis is already there . Keepers . Ideally we would go out and get a new one as ours are not great - however, they are not totally useless and that is why for me that is a next season key target . Smith played a major role in winning promotion from this league for us and Lucas has shown when fit he is a real asset . Most of the errors came from team orders - ie the quick throw out. Macca commented that it was clearly instructed that they do that even though it was not always the best thing for them to do . Therefore, if PdC takes a different approach this errors would be eliminated . Defence . I'm assuming JFL will sign so have included him in the current reckoning . That gives us a back 4 of Manks Flint JFL and Kennedy with Thompson and Evans as back up . Clearly we are a CB and LB short - so that should be on the list of targets . However, I'm more than happy with 3 of them as our back for - with JFL and Flint fighting to partner the new experienced guy - Naylor, Davis, Rui Marquis or Ashton would all be excellent . I don't get the Kennedy knocking as everytime he has played he has excelled This includes 2 last season against promoted Saints and against the leagues best winger who is now in the Premiership! . Midfield . As with JFL I assume Timlin will sign and. Therefore will form part of the following: . Caddis Ferry Timlin and Ritchie . If Timlin isn't there or not favoured JPM could come I either on the right with PC going to DM or him in the middle . Ideally Douglas would sign and he will partner Ferry. If not I would want another experienced pro signed Mahon or Rea would be excellent . We would probably need another winger too - left sided to add depth, competition etc . This we are too small is completely overplayed as some of L2 best players are small - ala Nicky Law at only 5'10 . Timlin did very well at Souhend and Ritchie has played there with Notts so they are not strangers . Plus with Kennedy, Amankwaah, JFL all over 6 ft and Flint over 6'5 we have ample of height at the back - where it counts . Like Donatteli said it's about strength, agility and specific movements - all not related to height! . Plus we should be looking for a big man up top to add more height. . Forwards . Benyon is our only senior striker but is proven at this level with 14 in 26 for Torquay last year . However, with Bodin and Pavett being inexperienced we will need a couple more - with one being a big target man . Donaldson and Mooney would be great . Overall . As said at the top not finished yet - but with 7 or 8 of the starting XI looking good enough - we are not that far off being "finished" . Plus then we are likely to have Flint, JPM and Timlin on the bench - so that is quite strong already - before we have added any new players or loanees London Red
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6:41pm Sun 5 Jun 11

joey butler says...

Sorry London Red,

I have great respect for your views posted on here, but sometimes they are just too long.

And your above quote is one that is just TOO long!!
Sorry London Red, I have great respect for your views posted on here, but sometimes they are just too long. And your above quote is one that is just TOO long!! joey butler
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7:05pm Sun 5 Jun 11

SAPFanSTFC says...

New signing to be announced tomorrow - can't stop and dying to know who it is.......keep the mobiles on ready for the text!!
New signing to be announced tomorrow - can't stop and dying to know who it is.......keep the mobiles on ready for the text!! SAPFanSTFC
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7:46pm Sun 5 Jun 11

London Red says...

Sorry Joey - just trying to answer a few separate posts / points in one
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If the adver used the whole width of the page instead of only a column the posts would dramatically look smaller as each paragraph is only a line or 2 tops
Sorry Joey - just trying to answer a few separate posts / points in one . If the adver used the whole width of the page instead of only a column the posts would dramatically look smaller as each paragraph is only a line or 2 tops London Red
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7:46pm Sun 5 Jun 11

mike1990 says...

joey butler wrote:
Sorry London Red,

I have great respect for your views posted on here, but sometimes they are just too long.

And your above quote is one that is just TOO long!!
That is not a post Joey! that is a Novel by London Red!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.b
y the way, Its part one of many parts!!! ha,ha,ha.
[quote][p][bold]joey butler[/bold] wrote: Sorry London Red, I have great respect for your views posted on here, but sometimes they are just too long. And your above quote is one that is just TOO long!![/p][/quote]That is not a post Joey! that is a Novel by London Red!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.b y the way, Its part one of many parts!!! ha,ha,ha. mike1990
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7:59pm Sun 5 Jun 11

steve. says...

joey butler wrote:
Sorry London Red,

I have great respect for your views posted on here, but sometimes they are just too long.

And your above quote is one that is just TOO long!!
Anyone who has problems sleeping may not agree JB, it certainly works for me ............
[quote][p][bold]joey butler[/bold] wrote: Sorry London Red, I have great respect for your views posted on here, but sometimes they are just too long. And your above quote is one that is just TOO long!![/p][/quote]Anyone who has problems sleeping may not agree JB, it certainly works for me ............ steve.
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8:24pm Sun 5 Jun 11

joey butler says...

Fair play to Mike and also Steve from Brentford, you both made me laugh with your comments and I thank you both for that!!!
Fair play to Mike and also Steve from Brentford, you both made me laugh with your comments and I thank you both for that!!! joey butler
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8:51pm Sun 5 Jun 11

Malkym says...

Swindon Abbot wrote:
The player that PDC is wanting to sign from his good friend Harry is a young striker called Harry Kane who is a 18 year regularly starting and scoring in the reserve team!! Can someone tell me what the Twitter account name is of these agents??? Cheers...
Harry Kane!!! is he for real?? don't tell me - he can run like the wind and wrecks havoc with opposing defenders!

sw name-real
[quote][p][bold]Swindon Abbot[/bold] wrote: The player that PDC is wanting to sign from his good friend Harry is a young striker called Harry Kane who is a 18 year regularly starting and scoring in the reserve team!! Can someone tell me what the Twitter account name is of these agents??? Cheers...[/p][/quote]Harry Kane!!! is he for real?? don't tell me - he can run like the wind and wrecks havoc with opposing defenders! sw name-real Malkym
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8:58pm Sun 5 Jun 11

the don69 says...

Malkym wrote:
Swindon Abbot wrote:
The player that PDC is wanting to sign from his good friend Harry is a young striker called Harry Kane who is a 18 year regularly starting and scoring in the reserve team!! Can someone tell me what the Twitter account name is of these agents??? Cheers...
Harry Kane!!! is he for real?? don't tell me - he can run like the wind and wrecks havoc with opposing defenders!

sw name-real
Come on Malkym;He Gives Defenders a Good Kaning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Malkym[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Swindon Abbot[/bold] wrote: The player that PDC is wanting to sign from his good friend Harry is a young striker called Harry Kane who is a 18 year regularly starting and scoring in the reserve team!! Can someone tell me what the Twitter account name is of these agents??? Cheers...[/p][/quote]Harry Kane!!! is he for real?? don't tell me - he can run like the wind and wrecks havoc with opposing defenders! sw name-real[/p][/quote]Come on Malkym;He Gives Defenders a Good Kaning!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!! the don69
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9:33pm Sun 5 Jun 11

andyupthill says...

harry kane played and scored for the england under 19's today against spain.
harry kane played and scored for the england under 19's today against spain. andyupthill
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9:47pm Sun 5 Jun 11

the don69 says...

andyupthill wrote:
harry kane played and scored for the england under 19's today against spain.
I Told Ya, He gives Defenders a Kaning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]andyupthill[/bold] wrote: harry kane played and scored for the england under 19's today against spain.[/p][/quote]I Told Ya, He gives Defenders a Kaning!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! the don69
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10:03pm Sun 5 Jun 11

andyupthill says...

apparntley he is quite an handful nad certainly knows where the goal is albeit in the reserves at spurs 18 in 22. s/w pick-town i kid you not,
please some-body
apparntley he is quite an handful nad certainly knows where the goal is albeit in the reserves at spurs 18 in 22. s/w pick-town i kid you not, please some-body andyupthill
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11:57pm Sun 5 Jun 11

STFCLetsGetRocked says...

Kane is a superb prospect and did very well at Orient last year - scored 2 v the Gas at Brisbane Road and would be an excellent addition to the squad imho.
Kane is a superb prospect and did very well at Orient last year - scored 2 v the Gas at Brisbane Road and would be an excellent addition to the squad imho. STFCLetsGetRocked
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7:56am Mon 6 Jun 11

Malkym says...

In that case Bring him on!!!
In that case Bring him on!!! Malkym
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9:02am Mon 6 Jun 11

Oi Den! says...

Malkym wrote:
Swindon Abbot wrote: The player that PDC is wanting to sign from his good friend Harry is a young striker called Harry Kane who is a 18 year regularly starting and scoring in the reserve team!! Can someone tell me what the Twitter account name is of these agents??? Cheers...
Harry Kane!!! is he for real?? don't tell me - he can run like the wind and wrecks havoc with opposing defenders! sw name-real
I gather he's got some competition. The board are deliberating between him and the powerful Scandinavian lad Tor Nado.
[quote][p][bold]Malkym[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Swindon Abbot[/bold] wrote: The player that PDC is wanting to sign from his good friend Harry is a young striker called Harry Kane who is a 18 year regularly starting and scoring in the reserve team!! Can someone tell me what the Twitter account name is of these agents??? Cheers...[/p][/quote]Harry Kane!!! is he for real?? don't tell me - he can run like the wind and wrecks havoc with opposing defenders! sw name-real[/p][/quote]I gather he's got some competition. The board are deliberating between him and the powerful Scandinavian lad Tor Nado. Oi Den!
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