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SWINDON TOWN: Town confirm transfer-listed quartet
10:14am Wednesday 27th June 2012 in Sport
TWO regular members of the Swindon Town team that claimed the League Two title in 2011/12 have been transfer-listed, the club has confirmed.
Alan Connell and Jonathan Smith - who made 70 appearances between them in the league last term - have been told they can leave the County Ground this summer.
Connell top scored for the Robins with 13 goals in his first season since arriving from Grimsby last year, while Smith contributed three from midfield as Swindon emerged as champions.
The duo are joined on the transfer list by midfielder Lee Cox and goalkeeper Mattia Lanzano.
Comments(82)
mallorca
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10:26am Wed 27 Jun 12
All I hope is Connel does not come back to haunt us????
Just feel it's a wrong move,still we have our opinion and we aint Football Managers.Hope the Players coming in prove to be as commited as Connel was
Farteaboy
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10:30am Wed 27 Jun 12
stfcred
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10:38am Wed 27 Jun 12
Oi Den!
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10:44am Wed 27 Jun 12
Oi Den!
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10:45am Wed 27 Jun 12
ctown_red
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10:46am Wed 27 Jun 12
Cox never saw much of him, the little bit of what i did see, i didnt rate much of his play as he always seemed to look for the difficult ball rather than the simple.
Smith worked hard and scored some good goals but again if we are to move forward he just wont cut it at higher level
Connell had a difficult season, in and out of the team. He always gave it his all and a good finisher but now with the quality Paolo has brought in he just isnt of the same ilk.
Lanzano the less i say the better, good riddance!
Also glad Risser is staying, he is the hardest and most dedicated trainer at the club, not just my view but of many of his colleagues. When i hear criticism of him, it really gripes on me. He is one of those players that will divide fans, but for me he really plays the ugly part of the game well, he constantly wins headers, breaks up play with numerous interceptions, and got a great strike on him. He has scored some very good and vital goals. The only down point of his, is when under pressure seems to pick wrong ball and needs to man up a little bit.
In Paolo i trust, COYR!!
Redhouse Red
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10:47am Wed 27 Jun 12
I'm sure some one on here could say how much they cost. But if any of them signed on a free and then sell on for 50-75k that should cover the cost of their wages paid whilst at the club.
I must admit I am struggling to remember when town last transfer listed players with view to actually selling them...?
the_deputy
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10:49am Wed 27 Jun 12
Lanzano will be dropping into the conference or lower now then!?
Any news on McCormick? We need GK cover! Maybe not and this is the reason Risser is staying for another term?
Summerof69
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10:49am Wed 27 Jun 12
stfcred wrote:I don't think anyone will say that PDC never does anything wrong. What he does do is recognise his mistakes and move on. His improvement throughout last season was quite astonishing, and the signings he has made this close season prove that. He has acknowledged that there were "panic buys" last year but he quickly learnt and nearly all of them have since moved on. Of course he will still make mistakes along the way, not sure I know anyone that doesn't !!!
Cox - Another PDC balls up!!!!! When he signed he was meant to be a good addition to the squad. Waiting for all the PDC lovers that never see him doing anything wrong coming on and deffeding him.
mossy282
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10:57am Wed 27 Jun 12
Med Red
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11:03am Wed 27 Jun 12
As for trying to sell Lanzano, that's a joke, right? Unless we manage to sell him for medical research. I can think of one or 2 more who ought to go that way too!!
macca.y
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11:04am Wed 27 Jun 12
Psychedelic Syd
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11:09am Wed 27 Jun 12
It's exciting having so many signings, just hope the team gels early. Hopefully the nucleus of players we have from this year will keep some continuity in the team.
shered
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11:24am Wed 27 Jun 12
swinRhino
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11:27am Wed 27 Jun 12
ctown_red wrote:I have to agree with you about Risser - glad he is not on the list - (yet - just in case he suddenly appears).
Im glad Paolo has been ruthless when it comes to people departing. Cox never saw much of him, the little bit of what i did see, i didnt rate much of his play as he always seemed to look for the difficult ball rather than the simple. Smith worked hard and scored some good goals but again if we are to move forward he just wont cut it at higher level Connell had a difficult season, in and out of the team. He always gave it his all and a good finisher but now with the quality Paolo has brought in he just isnt of the same ilk. Lanzano the less i say the better, good riddance! Also glad Risser is staying, he is the hardest and most dedicated trainer at the club, not just my view but of many of his colleagues. When i hear criticism of him, it really gripes on me. He is one of those players that will divide fans, but for me he really plays the ugly part of the game well, he constantly wins headers, breaks up play with numerous interceptions, and got a great strike on him. He has scored some very good and vital goals. The only down point of his, is when under pressure seems to pick wrong ball and needs to man up a little bit. In Paolo i trust, COYR!!
He does a roll that PDC wants in the centre, slow the play down force the opp to go wide, giving time for Paul, Jay, Ritchie etc. time to reset from attack - illustrated well in the Wasbag article lat year.
So he is not that dynamic player like Smith appeared to be - but how many times did Smith rush into a tackle and be left stranded by the opp skips past him, its the type of tackling that I try and tell the boys football side not to do.
Sorry Connell is in the list, as all says he always gave his all, hope he finds a decent club to go to.
Still no word on Bodin yet! Depending on him and Megra staying or going I think will determine if PDC goes for a final striker - or is that what he is waiting on Bostock for.
ciclosporindorset
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11:31am Wed 27 Jun 12
stfclondon
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11:36am Wed 27 Jun 12
macca.y wrote:Sounds like he's off too, going by a tweet from BBC Wilts this morning.
so does that mean magera is staying....i think him and williams will make a good partnership.
clunge_meister
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11:40am Wed 27 Jun 12
stfcred wrote:Yea sack him he's useless!!
Cox - Another PDC balls up!!!!! When he signed he was meant to be a good addition to the squad. Waiting for all the PDC lovers that never see him doing anything wrong coming on and deffeding him.
We all agree that quite a few of the signings have been poor but come on - we won the league.
LeGod
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11:43am Wed 27 Jun 12
Steve-Brentford- apologies mate for the other day im old and ugly enough to admit i was out of order the other day.
Rogersforengland
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11:45am Wed 27 Jun 12
NEWBURYREDS
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11:51am Wed 27 Jun 12
MITTED
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11:52am Wed 27 Jun 12
the wizard
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12:04pm Wed 27 Jun 12
I have met him twice, nice guy. He worked hard for his place in the team, and worked hard for that team once he was on the park. Always endeavouring to do better, good work rate and excellent attitude. Which ever team he goes to he has my thanks and respect. Should he ever return to CG I hope we are able to afford him a decent reception.
Jonathan Smith has also worked hard for us and his contribution should be appreciated as at times it has been significant. Cox never made the cut and poor old Lanzano was just a mistake, I hope he can find a team back home. He gave up a lot to come here, not his fault, Paolo mis judged what he was up against in L2. We move on, and I can't see Magera being any better now than he was before, be gone, go home, and thanks but politely, no thanks.
It wouldn't surprise me if there is more coming and going, I don't think we have seen the end of the movers and shakers just yet .
STFC Tony
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12:06pm Wed 27 Jun 12
wiltshirered64
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12:13pm Wed 27 Jun 12
Lazaat
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12:18pm Wed 27 Jun 12
scollenstfc
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12:26pm Wed 27 Jun 12
Would be surprised if we got much for any of the players listed, Connell maybe but the rest will probably go on a free or minimal amount. If Bodin and Magera go aswell then we would need another forward, remains to be seen who it would be tho...
umpcah
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12:29pm Wed 27 Jun 12
Lazaat wrote:Connell, a very hard working honest player ? Yes and that`s why other lower division clubs will be glad to get him at the right price. Is he a player for retention by ambitious Swindon ? Paolo thinks not and has decided to replace him with someone better. Makes sense to me !
I agree with most of you about Connell, a very hard working honest player who I thought deserved to be kept on, I am sorry to see him go and wish him good luck, I'm sure he will be snapped up. I think we paid 150k for him and 50k for Cox, can't see us recouping that.
EastleazeRed
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12:31pm Wed 27 Jun 12
old town robin
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12:32pm Wed 27 Jun 12
mallorca wrote:I have to agree with your thoughts Mallorca with regards to Connell and Smithy, they could never be considered favorites with PdC as more times than not they were hauled off after making the slightest mistakes whilst another who seems to be sugar coated regardless of his performance.
Sad to see Connel go,he did fight for the right to wear the shirt.Yet as JW said theres no room for sentiment.Plus the wage bill must fall within the Fl guidlines.Also Smith he was semis decent,as for cox and Lanzano they never really figured in the team.
All I hope is Connel does not come back to haunt us????
Just feel it's a wrong move,still we have our opinion and we aint Football Managers.Hope the Players coming in prove to be as commited as Connel was
£230k to be recovered if we are to break even with the sale of the 3 out field players, maybe that's why they are going and we are keeping a less skillful 32 year old that we got for nothing and would have a hard job to sell or give away..
London Red
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12:37pm Wed 27 Jun 12
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Connell and Smith are going as PdC simply does not think they are good enough to challenge at the top of L1 and then in the Championship - and if most are honest with themsleves they would agree with that
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That is not a slate on their character or professionalism
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Also why should we not have a look at potential stars?
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The guy invited back from the Samsung competition came in as a midfielder but PdC saw him as a CB - so PdC wants to look at him as one
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He may not be good as a CB and told thanks but no thanks - what would that cost us? nothing
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If he is though - how much would that save us!
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Not every player has to be ready right now - some are their for the future
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Storey is not going to play week in week out - but that doesn't mean we should release him because of it - he just not ready yet
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Connell though is not a youngster he is 28/29 - so if not ready now he never will be
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Like others I hope he (and Smith) get a good L2 or a smaller L1 club as he will probably do well there - just not at STFC who are steaming ahead
LeGod
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12:48pm Wed 27 Jun 12
Steve. Brentford
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12:51pm Wed 27 Jun 12
LeGod wrote:Fair play to you, no grudges held, apology excepted.
i know alot of fans will be sad to see Connell go but he's more of an impact player coming off the bench for the last 15 minutes than a 90 minute player. You cant knock him for his work but we need a bit more craft and experience now we have gone up a level and i dont think Connell is the answer and i think PDC has made the right decision.
Steve-Brentford- apologies mate for the other day im old and ugly enough to admit i was out of order the other day.
I reckon Connel could do a job in Lge1 to be honest,whenever Ive seen him play he has always put in a shift, however after the recent new additions to the squad i believe he would of struggled to get any game time, so best for all to let him go,i'm sure he will have no trouble getting another club.On another note i am so happy Flint is staying, i can see him going to the Championship with ease given time and experience, what a great tackle he produced against Wigan eh, pure class.
SeanG92
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12:58pm Wed 27 Jun 12
mj1986
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1:12pm Wed 27 Jun 12
Since 1950
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1:27pm Wed 27 Jun 12
stfcred wrote:The thing to remember about PDC is that when he does make a mistake he holds his hands up to it.
Cox - Another PDC balls up!!!!! When he signed he was meant to be a good addition to the squad. Waiting for all the PDC lovers that never see him doing anything wrong coming on and deffeding him.
PDC is building a squad for the Championship, not just to consolidate in L1. While I did like Connel, would you say he was a potential Championship player? Better he finds a club while he has the tag of a goal getter at L2 level than struggle next season.
Anyway the fact of the matter is we have to lower the wage bill.
COYR!
stokes_stfc
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1:32pm Wed 27 Jun 12
Wilesy
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1:32pm Wed 27 Jun 12
Alternatively maybe these players can see their chances are now limited and want to move on to get first team football, so it could be a mutual agreement?
Bit surprised by Cox going, maybe he didn't settle so far south?
TheDukeOfBanbury
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1:32pm Wed 27 Jun 12
Smith did his job and again will find another Club.
Cox didn't see enough of him to pass comment and Lanzano enough said, simply not up to standard.
I can only wish all 4 success and particularly Connell & Smith who played a significant role in a great season.
I am sure if our paths ever meet again then I am sure both of the above players done enough to receive cheers rather than boo's.
Thanks lads for everything you did last season.
Another Club has potential to pick up 2 decent (maybe 3) signings.
Warwickshire Red
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1:44pm Wed 27 Jun 12
stfcred wrote:You have gotta be on the wind up here. Were you somehow dissatisfied with PDC's results last season??? No, nor was I and I do not really care how he got there, but get there he did.
Cox - Another PDC balls up!!!!! When he signed he was meant to be a good addition to the squad. Waiting for all the PDC lovers that never see him doing anything wrong coming on and deffeding him.
One of the key reasons for buying more players is to generate competition for places and getting improved performances. L.Cox was reasonably well received therefore probably had a positive impact of other players, therefore improving the performance of the squad and improving results.
In my opinion Connell has already repaid his fee in goals, he owes us nothing.
SAPFanSTFC
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1:59pm Wed 27 Jun 12
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Can anyone list out the squad of players we have now please? I've lost track of who is In and who is Out and at what status they are.
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Like many shame about Connell but he rarely scored from a start and as many have said he won't be able to cut it at the top of league 1 - great advert for a good strong honest professional though - Smith just never quite did it for Town either but again a good solid professional - both of them should find new clubs and Cox should be ok at the lower level with a run of games.
ciclosporindorset
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2:04pm Wed 27 Jun 12
Magera leaving by mutual consent no news of Bodin
Wesley Foderingham 33 Bedwell
Paul Caddis 39 Thompson / SmithC
Jay McEveley 8. Alessandro Cibocchi 11
Alan Navarro Oliver Risser 23
Aden Flint 28 Joe Devera 28
Archibald Henville Alan McCormack 38
Simon Ferry 36. Tommy Miller
Gary Roberts. Luke Rooney 13.
Michael Collins Paul Benson 20.
Andy Williams Miles Storey
Matt Ritchie 40. Raffaele De Vita 30
Bodin. 7 ????
stfcred
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2:12pm Wed 27 Jun 12
clunge_meister wrote:I do agree that what he achived last season was good but to be fair the board gave him great support and the amount of players he bought in was massive for league 2. But how many of them are no or still will be at the club come the start of the season.
stfcred wrote: Cox - Another PDC balls up!!!!! When he signed he was meant to be a good addition to the squad. Waiting for all the PDC lovers that never see him doing anything wrong coming on and deffeding him.Yea sack him he's useless!! We all agree that quite a few of the signings have been poor but come on - we won the league.
mf04ndl
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2:26pm Wed 27 Jun 12
SAPFanSTFC wrote:Sap
BT Internet is supposed to be up and running today so I'll be back to normal from the weekend - I hope!!
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Can anyone list out the squad of players we have now please? I've lost track of who is In and who is Out and at what status they are.
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Like many shame about Connell but he rarely scored from a start and as many have said he won't be able to cut it at the top of league 1 - great advert for a good strong honest professional though - Smith just never quite did it for Town either but again a good solid professional - both of them should find new clubs and Cox should be ok at the lower level with a run of games.
Was there a final league table for prediction league? If there was I must have missed it
Oi Den!
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2:33pm Wed 27 Jun 12
TheDukeOfBanbury wrote:To be fair Duke, I think it's true to say that all good strikers miss a lot of chances. Chalkie White was the prime example. He missed shedloads of them. But he missed them because he wasn't afraid to get in there and take responsibility.
Never going to be easy decisions. Connell became a fans favourites but has missed too many opportunities in front of goal, AFC Wimbledon away, B Rovers home to name 2 games. Can't fault his efforts and is a great lad. The pleasing point is that he will land another FL club.
Smith did his job and again will find another Club.
Cox didn't see enough of him to pass comment and Lanzano enough said, simply not up to standard.
I can only wish all 4 success and particularly Connell & Smith who played a significant role in a great season.
I am sure if our paths ever meet again then I am sure both of the above players done enough to receive cheers rather than boo's.
Thanks lads for everything you did last season.
Another Club has potential to pick up 2 decent (maybe 3) signings.
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We move on, but in doing so I would say thanks to Connell for a season of outstanding commitment. I don't think any Town player gave more.
the real Tosh man
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2:44pm Wed 27 Jun 12
stfcred wrote:do you think any manager plays 100% of their signings? no, stop moaning you retard
Cox - Another PDC balls up!!!!! When he signed he was meant to be a good addition to the squad. Waiting for all the PDC lovers that never see him doing anything wrong coming on and deffeding him.
stfclondon
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2:45pm Wed 27 Jun 12
stfcred wrote:Yes, the board gave him great support. That's a positive thing, so why do you make it sound like a negative?
clunge_meister wrote:I do agree that what he achived last season was good but to be fair the board gave him great support and the amount of players he bought in was massive for league 2. But how many of them are no or still will be at the club come the start of the season.stfcred wrote: Cox - Another PDC balls up!!!!! When he signed he was meant to be a good addition to the squad. Waiting for all the PDC lovers that never see him doing anything wrong coming on and deffeding him.Yea sack him he's useless!! We all agree that quite a few of the signings have been poor but come on - we won the league.
He had no option but to bring in a load of players, as all the rubbish from the previous season was shipped out. With such a large influx there will always be some that don't work out. No manager ever gets it right all the time, even those at the very top make the occasional duff signing.
Whatever the anti-Di Canio brigade say, nobody can take away the fact that he won the league in his first season as manager. That'll do for me.
Oi Den!
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3:09pm Wed 27 Jun 12
stfclondon wrote:It'll do for me too. I do think he was very lucky that his first job in management was at a club that was punching well below its weight, had finally grabbed itself by the scruff of the neck and was determined not to repeat the horrible mistakes of the recent past. The only way was up - and any manager who didn't take us up last season would have been a failure.
stfcred wrote:Yes, the board gave him great support. That's a positive thing, so why do you make it sound like a negative?
clunge_meister wrote:I do agree that what he achived last season was good but to be fair the board gave him great support and the amount of players he bought in was massive for league 2. But how many of them are no or still will be at the club come the start of the season.stfcred wrote: Cox - Another PDC balls up!!!!! When he signed he was meant to be a good addition to the squad. Waiting for all the PDC lovers that never see him doing anything wrong coming on and deffeding him.Yea sack him he's useless!! We all agree that quite a few of the signings have been poor but come on - we won the league.
He had no option but to bring in a load of players, as all the rubbish from the previous season was shipped out. With such a large influx there will always be some that don't work out. No manager ever gets it right all the time, even those at the very top make the occasional duff signing.
Whatever the anti-Di Canio brigade say, nobody can take away the fact that he won the league in his first season as manager. That'll do for me.
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So, in one sense I think PDC was on a hiding to nothing. He was never going to prove himself in one season when the odds were stacked in his favour from the outset. But I think he will prove himself, and I think 2012/13 will be another positive step along the way.
35yrRED
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3:26pm Wed 27 Jun 12
stfcred wrote:ZZZZZzzzzz Oh...sorry..I'm sure you waiting for people to start biting.
Cox - Another PDC balls up!!!!! When he signed he was meant to be a good addition to the squad. Waiting for all the PDC lovers that never see him doing anything wrong coming on and deffeding him.
jayden
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3:28pm Wed 27 Jun 12
LeGod wrote:nice one Le God its good that we can move on and be men about it ps keep winding up the pox.
i know alot of fans will be sad to see Connell go but he's more of an impact player coming off the bench for the last 15 minutes than a 90 minute player. You cant knock him for his work but we need a bit more craft and experience now we have gone up a level and i dont think Connell is the answer and i think PDC has made the right decision.
Steve-Brentford- apologies mate for the other day im old and ugly enough to admit i was out of order the other day.
Dr. Russ Clart
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3:30pm Wed 27 Jun 12
feel sorry for connell, but he was not really good enough for lg2 and this season were in lg1!!!! he had his chances and was a nice guy, but if u dont score enough, then its what to expect.
old town robin
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3:36pm Wed 27 Jun 12
Dr. Russ Clart wrote:You obviously know more than we do about Cox Doc. Didn't see anywhere near enough from him on the field to challange Simon Ferry, so with the new signings, best for all concerned he moves on.
cox had to go. he was a bad apple and a nasty peice of work. it was obviously a mistake to sign him, but we wouldn't of known about these problems before he spent some time here. .
feel sorry for connell, but he was not really good enough for lg2 and this season were in lg1!!!! he had his chances and was a nice guy, but if u dont score enough, then its what to expect.
CraigClark
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3:38pm Wed 27 Jun 12
Has anyone seen him play in league1?
He works harder than most and dug us out of many a hole last season. Should be kept and given a chance in league1, he's earnt it.
CraigClark
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3:52pm Wed 27 Jun 12
Dr. Russ Clart wrote:Connell not good enough for league2? 14 goals in limited appearances says he is! You even been out to watch the town recently?
cox had to go. he was a bad apple and a nasty peice of work. it was obviously a mistake to sign him, but we wouldn't of known about these problems before he spent some time here. .
feel sorry for connell, but he was not really good enough for lg2 and this season were in lg1!!!! he had his chances and was a nice guy, but if u dont score enough, then its what to expect.
jennytools
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4:18pm Wed 27 Jun 12
jayden
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4:27pm Wed 27 Jun 12
jennytools wrote:so did you go to the home match against Torquay then?.Still 7 new players to chose from to slate now
Please, are these Risser fans serious? a big man who never gets stuck in, seen him get injured twice this season by pulling out of a tackle once was Morecambe away by a bloke half his size and the other was Cheltenham away, when they were 50/50, he needs 3 or 4 touches to settle himself in that time the players who have made space are marked (a player like ferry who needs 2 touches) and then when he taken those touches he has to play back to his on goal as all in front are tightly marked he dont win all that many headers from opposing goal kicks when he has they are with no force or out of play, he is not the answer for this division and wont hold a candle to those been signed trust me we have quality signed and experience one thing Risser will struggle with as this is a far cry from what he played in regional divisions in germany for an average side there, anyway apart from that gripe im over the moon with whats brought in a mixture of all thats needed to be a force in this league if PDC knit it together which i would say will be a headache for the man in the first month or so but he is the man to do it im sure
London Red
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4:35pm Wed 27 Jun 12
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To me that and what we saw of him last year shows he is not a top L1 player
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That's not a bad thing I would love to be a good L2 player!
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That's his level so why a big issue about it?
old town robin
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4:59pm Wed 27 Jun 12
jennytools wrote:Can't disagree with any of that Jenny, I wasn't at the two games you mentioned, but never missed a home game and have to say he hardly ever got close enough to make a tackle let alone win the ball and he usually lost out in 50/50's on the ground or in the air. I'll give him credit for 3 very well taken goals, but then so did Jon Smith score 3 and he's history. His own goal at Wembley was unnecessary as Wes had it covered, who knows how the second half would have gone if that mistake had not been made. Of course these things happen in football and I would not pass judgement on him for that alone. I know the forum is all about opinions and there are quite a few that see something in him that I and a few others do not. (Some that like him, I know have not seen him more than a couple of games at most). He's still with us for at least this season and if he does get a game he will get my support the same as everyone else, but if he's the best we have to offer in midfield, god help us, if he turns out better than he has shown to date, I'll be the first on here to sing his praises for sure.
Please, are these Risser fans serious? a big man who never gets stuck in, seen him get injured twice this season by pulling out of a tackle once was Morecambe away by a bloke half his size and the other was Cheltenham away, when they were 50/50, he needs 3 or 4 touches to settle himself in that time the players who have made space are marked (a player like ferry who needs 2 touches) and then when he taken those touches he has to play back to his on goal as all in front are tightly marked he dont win all that many headers from opposing goal kicks when he has they are with no force or out of play, he is not the answer for this division and wont hold a candle to those been signed trust me we have quality signed and experience one thing Risser will struggle with as this is a far cry from what he played in regional divisions in germany for an average side there, anyway apart from that gripe im over the moon with whats brought in a mixture of all thats needed to be a force in this league if PDC knit it together which i would say will be a headache for the man in the first month or so but he is the man to do it im sure
Before anyone thinks I'm negative about this, (he is the only one I believe is not up to it), I like the look of the remaining squad we have and I will be placing my £100 that we get promotion, with a smaller wager of £30 to win it. Probably won't win as much as last season, but I expect us to give a good account of ourselves.
old town robin
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5:04pm Wed 27 Jun 12
London Red wrote:I don't think it's a big issue LR, I think most posters were half expecting it and to be honest most I've read have thanked him for his effort and hardwork and wish him well. After all as you have said before, no point him staying here if he wasn't going to get a regular game.
Connell has played in L1 before and then ended up dropping down the leagues all the way to the Conference
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To me that and what we saw of him last year shows he is not a top L1 player
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That's not a bad thing I would love to be a good L2 player!
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That's his level so why a big issue about it?
jennytools
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5:06pm Wed 27 Jun 12
old town robin
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5:13pm Wed 27 Jun 12
jennytools wrote:Think you answered that one well Jenny, this is a forum of opinions and we are all entitled to our own and have the opportunity to respond to those we don't agree with a honest and respectable debate. if we all had the same opinions it would be quite boring me thinks!
yes went to home game, and o'kane ran the show for the first 15 minutes until PDC changed Ferry and Risser i do believe then we slowly got on top and didnt ask Risser to play above his limitation that day as he tried and got mugged big time, then he sat and after that he played ok, but if you think thats enough for the step up your going to be disapointed, would he start for you? if so you dont know the capabilities in those we have signed or to be signed cause at best he will be a bench warmer and thats only cause there are 7 subs now or he would be close to being one of the ones to go, from what i see of him he would have been first, cause if i was J.Smith i would be embarresed at him being chose over Risser to go as he had a lot more to offer and 'if' he was the size of Risser he would be a good player in Div 1 cause he had a lot more bottle than Risser i can only describe Risser as the footballing version of Audley Harrison, got all the tools but hasnt got the key to get the tool box open, if you know what i mean.
jennytools
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5:16pm Wed 27 Jun 12
CraigClark
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5:18pm Wed 27 Jun 12
London Red wrote:The issue for me personally is that his effort and goals last last season deserves (in my opinion) the oppertunity to prove he can cut it in league1. What makes everyone so certain James Collins will cut it, considering he has never played higher than league2?
Connell has played in L1 before and then ended up dropping down the leagues all the way to the Conference
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To me that and what we saw of him last year shows he is not a top L1 player
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That's not a bad thing I would love to be a good L2 player!
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That's his level so why a big issue about it?
Dr. Russ Clart
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5:24pm Wed 27 Jun 12
CraigClark wrote:he may not have played higher but he's 21 and going to improve. connell is 29 and is not likelt to get much better and challenge in championship.
London Red wrote:The issue for me personally is that his effort and goals last last season deserves (in my opinion) the oppertunity to prove he can cut it in league1. What makes everyone so certain James Collins will cut it, considering he has never played higher than league2?
Connell has played in L1 before and then ended up dropping down the leagues all the way to the Conference
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To me that and what we saw of him last year shows he is not a top L1 player
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That's not a bad thing I would love to be a good L2 player!
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That's his level so why a big issue about it?
jennytools
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5:29pm Wed 27 Jun 12
London Red
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5:35pm Wed 27 Jun 12
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Also coventry had him as their number one target
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Yes Connell put in effort - no one is denying that - but he is not going to fire us up
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Williams is more the direct replacement anyway - and he scored more goals last year and was in L1
Oi Den!
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5:48pm Wed 27 Jun 12
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I think you are setting your sights unrealistically high if you are expecting our best eleven (let alone the whole squad) to be "top L1" standard. We've only just been promoted. Rome wasn't built in a day.
Wilesy
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6:00pm Wed 27 Jun 12
I wasn't that impressed by many strikers in L2 last season tbh, exceptions being Barnett at Crawley, Howe of Torquay and Carrol at Rovers looked a handful although not mobile.
Collins was OK but I wasn't thinking 'we must sign this guy', but maybe that's because I was focussing on Shrews centre midfielder Richards who looked their top man.
Shame to see Connell go but he's no Austin or Simon Cox.
mikek
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6:09pm Wed 27 Jun 12
jayden
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7:08pm Wed 27 Jun 12
jennytools wrote:That is fair enough and your view but all the players that played last season played their part even Clarke who came down from QPR AND IMOwas rubbish you may have thought RISSER was rubbish but the man who matters AND PICKED HIM 40 games did not and if he stays for this season i will give him all the vocal support as i do all st players you all so forget he can play in goal if needed.
yes went to home game, and o'kane ran the show for the first 15 minutes until PDC changed Ferry and Risser i do believe then we slowly got on top and didnt ask Risser to play above his limitation that day as he tried and got mugged big time, then he sat and after that he played ok, but if you think thats enough for the step up your going to be disapointed, would he start for you? if so you dont know the capabilities in those we have signed or to be signed cause at best he will be a bench warmer and thats only cause there are 7 subs now or he would be close to being one of the ones to go, from what i see of him he would have been first, cause if i was J.Smith i would be embarresed at him being chose over Risser to go as he had a lot more to offer and 'if' he was the size of Risser he would be a good player in Div 1 cause he had a lot more bottle than Risser i can only describe Risser as the footballing version of Audley Harrison, got all the tools but hasnt got the key to get the tool box open, if you know what i mean.
Chish and Fips
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7:09pm Wed 27 Jun 12
Can't fault him for his endeavour but this may not be enough for L1.
jayden
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7:33pm Wed 27 Jun 12
old town robin wrote:Agree with most of what you say OTR and dont get me wrong as we have never met but do sit close to each other you will no just like me one or 2 players who are not fans favourites can never do anything right.Yes i have seen him have terrible games but i have seen him play very well as well.A prime example is Caddis he gets slated by some around us but when he was out of the team we sure as hell found out that Matt was not the same player and yes Risser would not be in my starting 11 but neither would have Ac but both gave their all for the cause last season in different ways and are nice blokes but at the end of the day PDC picks the team and if its as good as last time i will take that wharts and all.Iwill try to meet you OTR at one of the home games all the best.
jennytools wrote:Can't disagree with any of that Jenny, I wasn't at the two games you mentioned, but never missed a home game and have to say he hardly ever got close enough to make a tackle let alone win the ball and he usually lost out in 50/50's on the ground or in the air. I'll give him credit for 3 very well taken goals, but then so did Jon Smith score 3 and he's history. His own goal at Wembley was unnecessary as Wes had it covered, who knows how the second half would have gone if that mistake had not been made. Of course these things happen in football and I would not pass judgement on him for that alone. I know the forum is all about opinions and there are quite a few that see something in him that I and a few others do not. (Some that like him, I know have not seen him more than a couple of games at most). He's still with us for at least this season and if he does get a game he will get my support the same as everyone else, but if he's the best we have to offer in midfield, god help us, if he turns out better than he has shown to date, I'll be the first on here to sing his praises for sure.
Please, are these Risser fans serious? a big man who never gets stuck in, seen him get injured twice this season by pulling out of a tackle once was Morecambe away by a bloke half his size and the other was Cheltenham away, when they were 50/50, he needs 3 or 4 touches to settle himself in that time the players who have made space are marked (a player like ferry who needs 2 touches) and then when he taken those touches he has to play back to his on goal as all in front are tightly marked he dont win all that many headers from opposing goal kicks when he has they are with no force or out of play, he is not the answer for this division and wont hold a candle to those been signed trust me we have quality signed and experience one thing Risser will struggle with as this is a far cry from what he played in regional divisions in germany for an average side there, anyway apart from that gripe im over the moon with whats brought in a mixture of all thats needed to be a force in this league if PDC knit it together which i would say will be a headache for the man in the first month or so but he is the man to do it im sure
Before anyone thinks I'm negative about this, (he is the only one I believe is not up to it), I like the look of the remaining squad we have and I will be placing my £100 that we get promotion, with a smaller wager of £30 to win it. Probably won't win as much as last season, but I expect us to give a good account of ourselves.
jayden
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7:51pm Wed 27 Jun 12
jayden wrote:Just like to say thank you to AC and JS as they have helped us have a season to remember .Good luck thank you.
old town robin wrote:Agree with most of what you say OTR and dont get me wrong as we have never met but do sit close to each other you will no just like me one or 2 players who are not fans favourites can never do anything right.Yes i have seen him have terrible games but i have seen him play very well as well.A prime example is Caddis he gets slated by some around us but when he was out of the team we sure as hell found out that Matt was not the same player and yes Risser would not be in my starting 11 but neither would have Ac but both gave their all for the cause last season in different ways and are nice blokes but at the end of the day PDC picks the team and if its as good as last time i will take that wharts and all.Iwill try to meet you OTR at one of the home games all the best.
jennytools wrote:Can't disagree with any of that Jenny, I wasn't at the two games you mentioned, but never missed a home game and have to say he hardly ever got close enough to make a tackle let alone win the ball and he usually lost out in 50/50's on the ground or in the air. I'll give him credit for 3 very well taken goals, but then so did Jon Smith score 3 and he's history. His own goal at Wembley was unnecessary as Wes had it covered, who knows how the second half would have gone if that mistake had not been made. Of course these things happen in football and I would not pass judgement on him for that alone. I know the forum is all about opinions and there are quite a few that see something in him that I and a few others do not. (Some that like him, I know have not seen him more than a couple of games at most). He's still with us for at least this season and if he does get a game he will get my support the same as everyone else, but if he's the best we have to offer in midfield, god help us, if he turns out better than he has shown to date, I'll be the first on here to sing his praises for sure.
Please, are these Risser fans serious? a big man who never gets stuck in, seen him get injured twice this season by pulling out of a tackle once was Morecambe away by a bloke half his size and the other was Cheltenham away, when they were 50/50, he needs 3 or 4 touches to settle himself in that time the players who have made space are marked (a player like ferry who needs 2 touches) and then when he taken those touches he has to play back to his on goal as all in front are tightly marked he dont win all that many headers from opposing goal kicks when he has they are with no force or out of play, he is not the answer for this division and wont hold a candle to those been signed trust me we have quality signed and experience one thing Risser will struggle with as this is a far cry from what he played in regional divisions in germany for an average side there, anyway apart from that gripe im over the moon with whats brought in a mixture of all thats needed to be a force in this league if PDC knit it together which i would say will be a headache for the man in the first month or so but he is the man to do it im sure
Before anyone thinks I'm negative about this, (he is the only one I believe is not up to it), I like the look of the remaining squad we have and I will be placing my £100 that we get promotion, with a smaller wager of £30 to win it. Probably won't win as much as last season, but I expect us to give a good account of ourselves.
old town robin
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8:32pm Wed 27 Jun 12
jayden wrote:Look forward to it jayden, take care.
old town robin wrote:Agree with most of what you say OTR and dont get me wrong as we have never met but do sit close to each other you will no just like me one or 2 players who are not fans favourites can never do anything right.Yes i have seen him have terrible games but i have seen him play very well as well.A prime example is Caddis he gets slated by some around us but when he was out of the team we sure as hell found out that Matt was not the same player and yes Risser would not be in my starting 11 but neither would have Ac but both gave their all for the cause last season in different ways and are nice blokes but at the end of the day PDC picks the team and if its as good as last time i will take that wharts and all.Iwill try to meet you OTR at one of the home games all the best.
jennytools wrote:Can't disagree with any of that Jenny, I wasn't at the two games you mentioned, but never missed a home game and have to say he hardly ever got close enough to make a tackle let alone win the ball and he usually lost out in 50/50's on the ground or in the air. I'll give him credit for 3 very well taken goals, but then so did Jon Smith score 3 and he's history. His own goal at Wembley was unnecessary as Wes had it covered, who knows how the second half would have gone if that mistake had not been made. Of course these things happen in football and I would not pass judgement on him for that alone. I know the forum is all about opinions and there are quite a few that see something in him that I and a few others do not. (Some that like him, I know have not seen him more than a couple of games at most). He's still with us for at least this season and if he does get a game he will get my support the same as everyone else, but if he's the best we have to offer in midfield, god help us, if he turns out better than he has shown to date, I'll be the first on here to sing his praises for sure.
Please, are these Risser fans serious? a big man who never gets stuck in, seen him get injured twice this season by pulling out of a tackle once was Morecambe away by a bloke half his size and the other was Cheltenham away, when they were 50/50, he needs 3 or 4 touches to settle himself in that time the players who have made space are marked (a player like ferry who needs 2 touches) and then when he taken those touches he has to play back to his on goal as all in front are tightly marked he dont win all that many headers from opposing goal kicks when he has they are with no force or out of play, he is not the answer for this division and wont hold a candle to those been signed trust me we have quality signed and experience one thing Risser will struggle with as this is a far cry from what he played in regional divisions in germany for an average side there, anyway apart from that gripe im over the moon with whats brought in a mixture of all thats needed to be a force in this league if PDC knit it together which i would say will be a headache for the man in the first month or so but he is the man to do it im sure
Before anyone thinks I'm negative about this, (he is the only one I believe is not up to it), I like the look of the remaining squad we have and I will be placing my £100 that we get promotion, with a smaller wager of £30 to win it. Probably won't win as much as last season, but I expect us to give a good account of ourselves.
wiltshirered64
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10:08pm Wed 27 Jun 12
old town robin wrote:Agree no big issue remember LR, what league level you place a player is your opinion only, agree OTR a players needs games for experience and confidence, LR do you believe Thompson at 22 with a handful of starts is a top league 1 player? Why didn't he go out on loan like bodin rather than be a spare part last season then maybe he would have had 20 plus games under his belt for this season. Why do you think bodin went off on loan a player needs games even so pdc obviously didn't think he was a top league 1 player either.
London Red wrote:I don't think it's a big issue LR, I think most posters were half expecting it and to be honest most I've read have thanked him for his effort and hardwork and wish him well. After all as you have said before, no point him staying here if he wasn't going to get a regular game.
Connell has played in L1 before and then ended up dropping down the leagues all the way to the Conference
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To me that and what we saw of him last year shows he is not a top L1 player
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That's not a bad thing I would love to be a good L2 player!
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That's his level so why a big issue about it?
London Red
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10:14pm Wed 27 Jun 12
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I personally feel we had a core that is of that level - I now also think PdC has added more to that with his new recruits
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As a result some have to fall out the bottom and the likes of Connell, Kennedy and both Smiths are the unlucky ones of you like
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I expect a similar thing next year if we go up or not as we will see first han who can cut it at the top (or not)
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I fully expect a few may even be from the new people as some like Connell and Smith may do a job in L1 but not seen as Championship players
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Miller is prime example - 33 and on a 1 year deal - suggests he is here to do a job now compared to Collins at 21 on a 2 year deal who is more long term
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For what it's worth Ive been pro Risser and think he gets unjust stick - but saying that I think he will join the next wave out as probably will Devera and RDV
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Now they may all have stunning seasons and stay on - but at this point that is just how I see it panning out
Oi Den!
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10:54pm Wed 27 Jun 12
forzaswindon12
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11:41pm Wed 27 Jun 12
With all these strikers leaving we'll certainly need 1 or two more although I dont fancy bostock as a striker.
forzaswindon12
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11:46pm Wed 27 Jun 12
ciclosporindorset wrote:who is michael collins??!
Players plus league starts 2012
Magera leaving by mutual consent no news of Bodin
Wesley Foderingham 33 Bedwell
Paul Caddis 39 Thompson / SmithC
Jay McEveley 8. Alessandro Cibocchi 11
Alan Navarro Oliver Risser 23
Aden Flint 28 Joe Devera 28 &nbs
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Archibald Henville Alan McCormack 38
Simon Ferry 36. Tommy Miller
Gary Roberts. Luke Rooney 13.
Michael Collins Paul Benson 20.
Andy Williams Mi
les Storey
Matt Ritchie 40. Raffaele De Vita 30
Bodin. 7 ????
forzaswindon12
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11:50pm Wed 27 Jun 12
was it 115k or 150k we paid for him?
ciclosporindorset
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11:52am Thu 28 Jun 12
forzaswindon12 wrote:Always the bloody perfectionist!. OK James collins as opposed to James Michael Collins the villa player. You know who I meant!
ciclosporindorset wrote:who is michael collins??!
Players plus league starts 2012
Magera leaving by mutual consent no news of Bodin
Wesley Foderingham 33 Bedwell
Paul Caddis 39 Thompson / SmithC
Jay McEveley 8. Alessandro Cibocchi 11
Alan Navarro Oliver Risser 23
Aden Flint 28 Joe Devera 28 &
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Archibald Henville Alan McCormack 38
Simon Ferry 36. Tommy Miller
Gary Roberts. Luke Rooney 13.
Michael Collins Paul Benson 20.
Andy Williams Mi
les Storey
Matt Ritchie 40. Raffaele De Vita 30
Bodin. 7 ????

the wizard says...
10:24am Wed 27 Jun 12