Caddis set for Birmingham move (From Swindon Advertiser)

smirg kcab wrote:
You haven't got to look to far as dean lewington is the best or one of the best left wing backs in the top 3 divisions and plays for m k plastics.
Onwards and upwards.

U REDS wrote:
What about Liam Ridehalgh on loan. He's available and will offer decent cover at left back.

doomster wrote:
What a disaster losing Caddis our defense has already shown how badly he will be mised. Paolo would of been far better taking the Danny Wilson stance and allowing the players to form splinter groups. Last time this kind of things happened we lost a world class striker in Clarke for that lethargic Benson. If only Paolo could spot a full back that McKevely is shocking.
In Paolo we trust.

old town robin wrote:

U REDS wrote:
What about Liam Ridehalgh on loan. He's available and will offer decent cover at left back.

I also like Ridehalgh too, but he was returned to Udders on short notice, so suspect he may have fallen foul of PdC in training.

The best LB I think I saw last year was Joe Jacobson of Shrewsbury. Good defender and gets forward and still quite young, would be a quality addition if we were after him.

Lambourn Red wrote:

old town robin wrote:

U REDS wrote:
What about Liam Ridehalgh on loan. He's available and will offer decent cover at left back.

I also like Ridehalgh too, but he was returned to Udders on short notice, so suspect he may have fallen foul of PdC in training.

The best LB I think I saw last year was Joe Jacobson of Shrewsbury. Good defender and gets forward and still quite young, would be a quality addition if we were after him.

Maybe because Huddersfield recalled him or his loan expired. Why do we have constant peddling of this "he must have fallen out with PDC" line

umpcah wrote:

doomster wrote:
What a disaster losing Caddis our defense has already shown how badly he will be mised. Paolo would of been far better taking the Danny Wilson stance and allowing the players to form splinter groups. Last time this kind of things happened we lost a world class striker in Clarke for that lethargic Benson. If only Paolo could spot a full back that McKevely is shocking.
In Paolo we trust.

Your rant omitted a mention of our pathetic goalie !

Lambourn Red wrote:

old town robin wrote:

U REDS wrote:
What about Liam Ridehalgh on loan. He's available and will offer decent cover at left back.

I also like Ridehalgh too, but he was returned to Udders on short notice, so suspect he may have fallen foul of PdC in training.

The best LB I think I saw last year was Joe Jacobson of Shrewsbury. Good defender and gets forward and still quite young, would be a quality addition if we were after him.

Maybe because Huddersfield recalled him or his loan expired. Why do we have constant peddling of this "he must have fallen out with PDC" line

RobinsTalk wrote:

Lambourn Red wrote:

old town robin wrote:

U REDS wrote:
What about Liam Ridehalgh on loan. He's available and will offer decent cover at left back.

I also like Ridehalgh too, but he was returned to Udders on short notice, so suspect he may have fallen foul of PdC in training.

The best LB I think I saw last year was Joe Jacobson of Shrewsbury. Good defender and gets forward and still quite young, would be a quality addition if we were after him.

Maybe because Huddersfield recalled him or his loan expired. Why do we have constant peddling of this "he must have fallen out with PDC" line

Jeremy Wray was at Blunsdon for the speedway last night, he must have fallen out with PDC because he was talking to Rosco for a while!!

Lambourn Red wrote:

old town robin wrote:

U REDS wrote:
What about Liam Ridehalgh on loan. He's available and will offer decent cover at left back.

I also like Ridehalgh too, but he was returned to Udders on short notice, so suspect he may have fallen foul of PdC in training.

The best LB I think I saw last year was Joe Jacobson of Shrewsbury. Good defender and gets forward and still quite young, would be a quality addition if we were after him.

Maybe because Huddersfield recalled him or his loan expired. Why do we have constant peddling of this "he must have fallen out with PDC" line

stevehalloz wrote:

umpcah wrote:

doomster wrote:
What a disaster losing Caddis our defense has already shown how badly he will be mised. Paolo would of been far better taking the Danny Wilson stance and allowing the players to form splinter groups. Last time this kind of things happened we lost a world class striker in Clarke for that lethargic Benson. If only Paolo could spot a full back that McKevely is shocking.
In Paolo we trust.

Your rant omitted a mention of our pathetic goalie !

Danger Will Robinson - Irony alert!!

U REDS wrote:

Lambourn Red wrote:

old town robin wrote:

U REDS wrote:
What about Liam Ridehalgh on loan. He's available and will offer decent cover at left back.

I also like Ridehalgh too, but he was returned to Udders on short notice, so suspect he may have fallen foul of PdC in training.

The best LB I think I saw last year was Joe Jacobson of Shrewsbury. Good defender and gets forward and still quite young, would be a quality addition if we were after him.

Maybe because Huddersfield recalled him or his loan expired. Why do we have constant peddling of this "he must have fallen out with PDC" line

Huddersfield recalled him as cover because their first choice left back had an injury. I think as back up he is worth a punt and he played league 1 last season with Chesterfield.

Lambourn Red wrote:

old town robin wrote:

U REDS wrote:
What about Liam Ridehalgh on loan. He's available and will offer decent cover at left back.

I also like Ridehalgh too, but he was returned to Udders on short notice, so suspect he may have fallen foul of PdC in training.

The best LB I think I saw last year was Joe Jacobson of Shrewsbury. Good defender and gets forward and still quite young, would be a quality addition if we were after him.

Maybe because Huddersfield recalled him or his loan expired. Why do we have constant peddling of this "he must have fallen out with PDC" line

moggy83 wrote:
Gutted about Caddis and i wish him great success wherever he ends up. Bring back Amankwahh ;)

doomster wrote:
What a disaster losing Caddis our defense has already shown how badly he will be mised. Paolo would of been far better taking the Danny Wilson stance and allowing the players to form splinter groups. Last time this kind of things happened we lost a world class striker in Clarke for that lethargic Benson. If only Paolo could spot a full back that McKevely is shocking.
In Paolo we trust.

mrclick wrote:

doomster wrote:
What a disaster losing Caddis our defense has already shown how badly he will be mised. Paolo would of been far better taking the Danny Wilson stance and allowing the players to form splinter groups. Last time this kind of things happened we lost a world class striker in Clarke for that lethargic Benson. If only Paolo could spot a full back that McKevely is shocking.
In Paolo we trust.

troll

madterrier wrote:
Lots of people yesterday thought that a loan was a bad idea and that we would be much better off securing a fee.

I agree with London Red's comment that a loan was not a bad option. To me there were two benefits:

It would give Caddis and Paolo some breathing space and possibly leave the door open for Caddis to return at some future point. However unlikely that seems right now.

There's only a week left in this transfer window. We would look like distressed sellers, and the fee we would get would be accordingly lower than what we would want.

I would be more comfortable with a four-month, not a six-month loan period, as that would take us up to the January transfer window opening. We might have cramped our room for negotiation here with six months. But it may well be that if he does well at Birmingham they will buy him outright at some point before then anyway.

The whole business is a crying shame, and our team is definitely weaker (not just in terms of playing personnel) as a result.

the wizard wrote:
Why are other agents talking to Spencer and not the club. Surely it must be Wray who has the final say on who comes or goes and at what price.

the wizard wrote:
With Caddis almost certainly gone, we also need a penalty taker who can bury the ball in the net, not fly it into the stands, Macca ?

the wizard wrote:
With Caddis almost certainly gone, we also need a penalty taker who can bury the ball in the net, not fly it into the stands, Macca ?

stfcknowitall wrote:

the wizard wrote:
With Caddis almost certainly gone, we also need a penalty taker who can bury the ball in the net, not fly it into the stands, Macca ?

Williams, Ritchie, Mcceverly, macca. Take your pick!

stfcknowitall wrote:

the wizard wrote:
With Caddis almost certainly gone, we also need a penalty taker who can bury the ball in the net, not fly it into the stands, Macca ?

Williams, Ritchie, Mcceverly, macca. Take your pick!

the wizard wrote:

stfcknowitall wrote:

the wizard wrote: With Caddis almost certainly gone, we also need a penalty taker who can bury the ball in the net, not fly it into the stands, Macca ?

Williams, Ritchie, Mcceverly, macca. Take your pick!

Well, I think we need to have a nominated player, so practice can be done. Paolo is the one who is speaking of the high expectation placed on his squad, so in fairness the player concerned should have practice on penalties in training, it could all come down to valuable penalties scored at the end of the season. Many are getting carried away, but we have only played two games so far and in one of those games we missed a penalty so I think its a valid point, and that resulted in two points dropped. Tomorrow could be decided in the same manner as it's likely to be a very close game, another chance to secure the three points could arise, so therefore it is paramount we have someone who can deliver.

old town robin wrote:

the wizard wrote:
With Caddis almost certainly gone, we also need a penalty taker who can bury the ball in the net, not fly it into the stands, Macca ?

In fairness Wiz, Millars record is second to none, 34 from 36 in open play is pretty damned good, just a pity one of those missed was for us. Next time we get one I would expect him to step up and make sure it's not 2 in a row.

madterrier wrote:
The other situation we will be sweating on as usual in the transfer window is Matt Ritchie.

Wolves just sold Jarvis to West Ham and Wigan sold Moses to Chelsea for £10m and £9m respectively.

Wigan have Arsenal's Myaichi on loan, but both clubs now looking to replace wingers, with lots of cash in the bank

Med Red wrote:

madterrier wrote:
The other situation we will be sweating on as usual in the transfer window is Matt Ritchie.

Wolves just sold Jarvis to West Ham and Wigan sold Moses to Chelsea for £10m and £9m respectively.

Wigan have Arsenal's Myaichi on loan, but both clubs now looking to replace wingers, with lots of cash in the bank

No way will we be selling Ritchie, there's not enough time left in transfer window to find replacement. Add to that the fact we've lost Caddis and Cibbo this week, plus Roberts is injured. Anyway, better to sell Ritchie for £5m next season when we're in the Championship than for £1.5m now.

madterrier wrote:

old town robin wrote:

the wizard wrote:
With Caddis almost certainly gone, we also need a penalty taker who can bury the ball in the net, not fly it into the stands, Macca ?

In fairness Wiz, Millars record is second to none, 34 from 36 in open play is pretty damned good, just a pity one of those missed was for us. Next time we get one I would expect him to step up and make sure it's not 2 in a row.

OTR - I'm not sure that 'open play' includes penalty kicks!

Miller's success record is sensational, which makes it all the bizarre that he blazed it so high over the bar.

I'd never missed a penalty kick in my life until I blazed one over the bar three seasons ago. I've never taken one since.

London Red wrote:
The targets fall away as we only choose quality - the player they had lined up last week for example got drafted back into a Championship side!
.
If we simply wanted cack - we would easily get it!
.
As for the agent bit didn't he just mean Caddis' agent has been ringing around (as obviously he has decided he wants out rather than actually work to stay) and approached Spencer over a couple of possibilities - of which one could be suitable for PdC to accept
.
However, beyond that they have not had a formal approach by the club in question itself
.
The other thing I'm interested in knowing had this been Risser for example - how many would have been slating PdC over it like they have with Caddis?
.
My bet is none and everyone would have be anti-Risser (or A.N.Other player) saying that is out of order what he has done - i.e. turned up unfit, turned up late if he actually bothered to turn up
.
It does seem that as Caddis is a fans favourite his behaviour has been totally ignored and he has been portrayed as an inicent victim in this whole affair

the wizard wrote:

stfcknowitall wrote:

the wizard wrote:
With Caddis almost certainly gone, we also need a penalty taker who can bury the ball in the net, not fly it into the stands, Macca ?

Williams, Ritchie, Mcceverly, macca. Take your pick!

Well, I think we need to have a nominated player, so practice can be done. Paolo is the one who is speaking of the high expectation placed on his squad, so in fairness the player concerned should have practice on penalties in training, it could all come down to valuable penalties scored at the end of the season. Many are getting carried away, but we have only played two games so far and in one of those games we missed a penalty so I think its a valid point, and that resulted in two points dropped. Tomorrow could be decided in the same manner as it's likely to be a very close game, another chance to secure the three points could arise, so therefore it is paramount we have someone who can deliver.

madterrier wrote:
Lots of people yesterday thought that a loan was a bad idea and that we would be much better off securing a fee.

I agree with London Red's comment that a loan was not a bad option. To me there were two benefits:

It would give Caddis and Paolo some breathing space and possibly leave the door open for Caddis to return at some future point. However unlikely that seems right now.

There's only a week left in this transfer window. We would look like distressed sellers, and the fee we would get would be accordingly lower than what we would want.

I would be more comfortable with a four-month, not a six-month loan period, as that would take us up to the January transfer window opening. We might have cramped our room for negotiation here with six months. But it may well be that if he does well at Birmingham they will buy him outright at some point before then anyway.

The whole business is a crying shame, and our team is definitely weaker (not just in terms of playing personnel) as a result.

stfcknowitall wrote:

the wizard wrote:

stfcknowitall wrote:

the wizard wrote: With Caddis almost certainly gone, we also need a penalty taker who can bury the ball in the net, not fly it into the stands, Macca ?

Williams, Ritchie, Mcceverly, macca. Take your pick!

Well, I think we need to have a nominated player, so practice can be done. Paolo is the one who is speaking of the high expectation placed on his squad, so in fairness the player concerned should have practice on penalties in training, it could all come down to valuable penalties scored at the end of the season. Many are getting carried away, but we have only played two games so far and in one of those games we missed a penalty so I think its a valid point, and that resulted in two points dropped. Tomorrow could be decided in the same manner as it's likely to be a very close game, another chance to secure the three points could arise, so therefore it is paramount we have someone who can deliver.

I definately agree wizard, I personally would pick Ritchie as he has power and placement, like you said we're already looking at two points dropped because of a missed pen.

mike1990 wrote:
So Cads is a Brumie,got good memories of going to Birmingham,we were 4-1 down at the old st andrews deep into the second half,one of my mates said,whats the odds for us to win this,we both laughed,but it was one of our best ever comebacks,we won 4-6.

Med Red wrote:

London Red wrote:
The targets fall away as we only choose quality - the player they had lined up last week for example got drafted back into a Championship side!
.
If we simply wanted cack - we would easily get it!
.
As for the agent bit didn't he just mean Caddis' agent has been ringing around (as obviously he has decided he wants out rather than actually work to stay) and approached Spencer over a couple of possibilities - of which one could be suitable for PdC to accept
.
However, beyond that they have not had a formal approach by the club in question itself
.
The other thing I'm interested in knowing had this been Risser for example - how many would have been slating PdC over it like they have with Caddis?
.
My bet is none and everyone would have be anti-Risser (or A.N.Other player) saying that is out of order what he has done - i.e. turned up unfit, turned up late if he actually bothered to turn up
.
It does seem that as Caddis is a fans favourite his behaviour has been totally ignored and he has been portrayed as an inicent victim in this whole affair

Why bring Risser into this debate? Leave the guy alone, he's perfectly happy warming the subs bench!

RobinsTalk wrote:

Lambourn Red wrote:

old town robin wrote:

U REDS wrote:
What about Liam Ridehalgh on loan. He's available and will offer decent cover at left back.

I also like Ridehalgh too, but he was returned to Udders on short notice, so suspect he may have fallen foul of PdC in training.

The best LB I think I saw last year was Joe Jacobson of Shrewsbury. Good defender and gets forward and still quite young, would be a quality addition if we were after him.

Maybe because Huddersfield recalled him or his loan expired. Why do we have constant peddling of this "he must have fallen out with PDC" line

Jeremy Wray was at Blunsdon for the speedway last night, he must have fallen out with PDC because he was talking to Rosco for a while!!

old town robin wrote:

RobinsTalk wrote:

Lambourn Red wrote:

old town robin wrote:

U REDS wrote:
What about Liam Ridehalgh on loan. He's available and will offer decent cover at left back.

I also like Ridehalgh too, but he was returned to Udders on short notice, so suspect he may have fallen foul of PdC in training.

The best LB I think I saw last year was Joe Jacobson of Shrewsbury. Good defender and gets forward and still quite young, would be a quality addition if we were after him.

Maybe because Huddersfield recalled him or his loan expired. Why do we have constant peddling of this "he must have fallen out with PDC" line

Jeremy Wray was at Blunsdon for the speedway last night, he must have fallen out with PDC because he was talking to Rosco for a while!!

Great result the Robins beating Poole, we're top of the league, we're top of the league, we are Swindon, we're top of the league, (I think we are anyway).

Rosco is a great motivator, maybe Jeremy wanted him to give the lads a pep talk sometime.

London Red wrote:
The targets fall away as we only choose quality - the player they had lined up last week for example got drafted back into a Championship side!
.
If we simply wanted cack - we would easily get it!
.
As for the agent bit didn't he just mean Caddis' agent has been ringing around (as obviously he has decided he wants out rather than actually work to stay) and approached Spencer over a couple of possibilities - of which one could be suitable for PdC to accept
.
However, beyond that they have not had a formal approach by the club in question itself
.
The other thing I'm interested in knowing had this been Risser for example - how many would have been slating PdC over it like they have with Caddis?
.
My bet is none and everyone would have be anti-Risser (or A.N.Other player) saying that is out of order what he has done - i.e. turned up unfit, turned up late if he actually bothered to turn up
.
It does seem that as Caddis is a fans favourite his behaviour has been totally ignored and he has been portrayed as an inicent victim in this whole affair

the don69 wrote:

old town robin wrote:

RobinsTalk wrote:

Lambourn Red wrote:

old town robin wrote:

U REDS wrote:
What about Liam Ridehalgh on loan. He's available and will offer decent cover at left back.

I also like Ridehalgh too, but he was returned to Udders on short notice, so suspect he may have fallen foul of PdC in training.

The best LB I think I saw last year was Joe Jacobson of Shrewsbury. Good defender and gets forward and still quite young, would be a quality addition if we were after him.

Maybe because Huddersfield recalled him or his loan expired. Why do we have constant peddling of this "he must have fallen out with PDC" line

Jeremy Wray was at Blunsdon for the speedway last night, he must have fallen out with PDC because he was talking to Rosco for a while!!

Great result the Robins beating Poole, we're top of the league, we're top of the league, we are Swindon, we're top of the league, (I think we are anyway).

Rosco is a great motivator, maybe Jeremy wanted him to give the lads a pep talk sometime.

I wish he'd give Simon Stead a pep talk!he might score some points then!by the way old town we're Second!!!!!!!

madterrier wrote:
Lots of people yesterday thought that a loan was a bad idea and that we would be much better off securing a fee.

I agree with London Red's comment that a loan was not a bad option. To me there were two benefits:

It would give Caddis and Paolo some breathing space and possibly leave the door open for Caddis to return at some future point. However unlikely that seems right now.

There's only a week left in this transfer window. We would look like distressed sellers, and the fee we would get would be accordingly lower than what we would want.

I would be more comfortable with a four-month, not a six-month loan period, as that would take us up to the January transfer window opening. We might have cramped our room for negotiation here with six months. But it may well be that if he does well at Birmingham they will buy him outright at some point before then anyway.

The whole business is a crying shame, and our team is definitely weaker (not just in terms of playing personnel) as a result.

stfcknowitall wrote:
Good luck to Caddis. Done a grand job in League Two for us, but like I said before he's a good player in League Two but average in League One. Think a lot of fans overate him and if it wasn't for his link up play with Ritchie he wouldn't be so highly rated! Defence wise he was constantly caught of out position and not strong in the air. Lovely lad and hope he makes a go of it up at brummy land!

London Red wrote:
Lewington is certainly a quality LB andhas probably been the best in L1 for a while now - but its never going to happen . He is 29, club captain of his one and only club (he went with the Franchise) . Also he would only come to be number 1 be we have a number 1 in Jay . We need a younger player who will learn, grow and develop to take over in the long term . I agree with OTR that Jacobson is a great prospect at LB and would be more than happy with him coming in . I wasn't overly impressed by LR - personally though Kennedy was better . RB is more interesting - do they go for a new number 1 or do we go with Devera and have Thompson push him to take the spot?

avo wrote:
Has he gone yet?
.
Den - you still liking the boy Williams? I thought he was awesome again the other night.

Oi Den! wrote:

avo wrote:
Has he gone yet?
.
Den - you still liking the boy Williams? I thought he was awesome again the other night.

Yep - looks a very exciting signing. Looked good with Collins too. I think they have to be the preferred partnership, but there may be some games where it will be better to start with Benson than one of them.

Oi Den! wrote:

avo wrote: Has he gone yet? . Den - you still liking the boy Williams? I thought he was awesome again the other night.

Yep - looks a very exciting signing. Looked good with Collins too. I think they have to be the preferred partnership, but there may be some games where it will be better to start with Benson than one of them.

the don69 wrote:

the wizard wrote:

stfcknowitall wrote:

the wizard wrote:
With Caddis almost certainly gone, we also need a penalty taker who can bury the ball in the net, not fly it into the stands, Macca ?

Williams, Ritchie, Mcceverly, macca. Take your pick!

Well, I think we need to have a nominated player, so practice can be done. Paolo is the one who is speaking of the high expectation placed on his squad, so in fairness the player concerned should have practice on penalties in training, it could all come down to valuable penalties scored at the end of the season. Many are getting carried away, but we have only played two games so far and in one of those games we missed a penalty so I think its a valid point, and that resulted in two points dropped. Tomorrow could be decided in the same manner as it's likely to be a very close game, another chance to secure the three points could arise, so therefore it is paramount we have someone who can deliver.

It's a waste of time practising pens Wiz,you can't recreate the pressure,England's been doing it for decades!great spot kick takers say it's all in the mind,Don never practised,Eusebio,Le Tissier,Gerd Muller,all great penalty takers all said you can score 10 out 10 in training,then miss when it really matters,so they never bothered in training.

the wizard wrote:
I think PDC seized on the Caddis situation to have a repeat of Clarkegate, and so get some fringe players behind him at the expense of one which he felt was easily replaced. The whole "Oh I've got a baby" thing was just a vehicle to mount the attack from. All carefully calculated to bond the players like it did with Clarke. Seems to me he likes to pick on somebody in a vulnerable position and then capitalise on it to his advantage. He got his rant in first which manipulated the player into a ny on impossible situation. Cunning.

Oi Den! wrote:

stfcknowitall wrote:

the wizard wrote:

stfcknowitall wrote:

the wizard wrote: With Caddis almost certainly gone, we also need a penalty taker who can bury the ball in the net, not fly it into the stands, Macca ?

Williams, Ritchie, Mcceverly, macca. Take your pick!

Well, I think we need to have a nominated player, so practice can be done. Paolo is the one who is speaking of the high expectation placed on his squad, so in fairness the player concerned should have practice on penalties in training, it could all come down to valuable penalties scored at the end of the season. Many are getting carried away, but we have only played two games so far and in one of those games we missed a penalty so I think its a valid point, and that resulted in two points dropped. Tomorrow could be decided in the same manner as it's likely to be a very close game, another chance to secure the three points could arise, so therefore it is paramount we have someone who can deliver.

I definately agree wizard, I personally would pick Ritchie as he has power and placement, like you said we're already looking at two points dropped because of a missed pen.

Even the best penalty takers miss them occasionally. I wouldn't want Miller to stop taking them because he missed last week. You say we dropped 2 points because we missed a pen but Hartlepool could equally say that their missed chances caused them to drop 2 points. But both points are equally invalid really. Who knows how the game would have gone if we'd scored that penalty? We might have gone on to win, or Hartlepool might have come roaring back with 2 quick goals. . By the way, completely agree with your assessment of Caddis. He's a neat and tidy footballer and also seems a very nice fellow; I wish him all the best, but I think this move will be a severe test for him. A more positive way of looking at it is that it is a marvellous opportunity. If he does succeed at Birmingham it could be the making of him.

London Red wrote:
Den - I'm not saying PdC is totally right here at all and parts of what has happen do appear to have been handled badly by him and the club as a whole
.
However - the bottom line is we have a professional athlete (who's body is his tool) return to pre-season unfit (relatively) and then reported to have turn up late numerous times, miss radom days and start to argue over items which have been in place for over a year which he never previously had an issue with
.
Does that not seem strange to you?
.
Also how can there actually be any defence of that?
.
That type of behaivour is unprofessional and unacceptable!
.
If I started turning up late, started taking random days off and complained about having to work on a Friday - do you think my bosses would be looking at the grey in that?
.
By the way I wasn't thinking of you when I asked that question and the main posters who have been so anti-PdC over it have not yet answered - probably as deep down they know I am right
.
Had it been Risser (as rightly pointed out above used only as an example lots on here seem to hate him) the responses would have been totally different - yet the situation identical!
.
As said above I persoanlly can't see any reason why Caddis has started to act like this and because of that can't see how he can be defended
.
If it does transpire there is something being held out of the public demain (above what he has admitted to doing) then I will apologise and my view could well change - but without that I just can't see how people are slating PdC for his stance over this - which is nothing to do with a PdC love in at all

stfcknowitall wrote:

Oi Den! wrote:

stfcknowitall wrote:

the wizard wrote:

stfcknowitall wrote:

the wizard wrote: With Caddis almost certainly gone, we also need a penalty taker who can bury the ball in the net, not fly it into the stands, Macca ?

Williams, Ritchie, Mcceverly, macca. Take your pick!

Well, I think we need to have a nominated player, so practice can be done. Paolo is the one who is speaking of the high expectation placed on his squad, so in fairness the player concerned should have practice on penalties in training, it could all come down to valuable penalties scored at the end of the season. Many are getting carried away, but we have only played two games so far and in one of those games we missed a penalty so I think its a valid point, and that resulted in two points dropped. Tomorrow could be decided in the same manner as it's likely to be a very close game, another chance to secure the three points could arise, so therefore it is paramount we have someone who can deliver.

I definately agree wizard, I personally would pick Ritchie as he has power and placement, like you said we're already looking at two points dropped because of a missed pen.

Even the best penalty takers miss them occasionally. I wouldn't want Miller to stop taking them because he missed last week. You say we dropped 2 points because we missed a pen but Hartlepool could equally say that their missed chances caused them to drop 2 points. But both points are equally invalid really. Who knows how the game would have gone if we'd scored that penalty? We might have gone on to win, or Hartlepool might have come roaring back with 2 quick goals. . By the way, completely agree with your assessment of Caddis. He's a neat and tidy footballer and also seems a very nice fellow; I wish him all the best, but I think this move will be a severe test for him. A more positive way of looking at it is that it is a marvellous opportunity. If he does succeed at Birmingham it could be the making of him.

if our points are invalid why waste your time commenting on them?

Malkym wrote:
Denzil - type in Word & cut and paste - learnt that one ages ago lol!!

London Red wrote:
The targets fall away as we only choose quality - the player they had lined up last week for example got drafted back into a Championship side!
.
If we simply wanted cack - we would easily get it!
.
As for the agent bit didn't he just mean Caddis' agent has been ringing around (as obviously he has decided he wants out rather than actually work to stay) and approached Spencer over a couple of possibilities - of which one could be suitable for PdC to accept
.
However, beyond that they have not had a formal approach by the club in question itself
.
The other thing I'm interested in knowing had this been Risser for example - how many would have been slating PdC over it like they have with Caddis?
.
My bet is none and everyone would have be anti-Risser (or A.N.Other player) saying that is out of order what he has done - i.e. turned up unfit, turned up late if he actually bothered to turn up
.
It does seem that as Caddis is a fans favourite his behaviour has been totally ignored and he has been portrayed as an inicent victim in this whole affair

avo wrote:
Has he gone yet?
.
Den - you still liking the boy Williams? I thought he was awesome again the other night.

madterrier wrote:

the don69 wrote:

the wizard wrote:

stfcknowitall wrote:

the wizard wrote:
With Caddis almost certainly gone, we also need a penalty taker who can bury the ball in the net, not fly it into the stands, Macca ?

Williams, Ritchie, Mcceverly, macca. Take your pick!

Well, I think we need to have a nominated player, so practice can be done. Paolo is the one who is speaking of the high expectation placed on his squad, so in fairness the player concerned should have practice on penalties in training, it could all come down to valuable penalties scored at the end of the season. Many are getting carried away, but we have only played two games so far and in one of those games we missed a penalty so I think its a valid point, and that resulted in two points dropped. Tomorrow could be decided in the same manner as it's likely to be a very close game, another chance to secure the three points could arise, so therefore it is paramount we have someone who can deliver.

It's a waste of time practising pens Wiz,you can't recreate the pressure,England's been doing it for decades!great spot kick takers say it's all in the mind,Don never practised,Eusebio,Le Tissier,Gerd Muller,all great penalty takers all said you can score 10 out 10 in training,then miss when it really matters,so they never bothered in training.

I'm going to disagree with you on this one Don...

It's an old chestnut, with popular wisdom being that you can't recreate the pressure of the situation.

Well of course you can't. But what you can do is get players to practise and practise taking penalties until they can do two things almost as second nature.

1. Accurately put the ball into two different corners (low or high). That's corners of the goal, not corners of the pitch aka Chris Waddle. Just keep practising until you are inch-perfect. At the top level goalkeeping coaches do their homework on penalty takers. So you need more than one placement in your locker. Even at park level for us lesser mortals, you may get two penalties in the same game.

2. Be able to disguise your run-up. Next time you watch a penalty shoot-out, try calling where the penalty is going before he (or she) kicks it. With some players, particularly England players, it is SOOOOO obvious from their body shape where they are going to direct it.

So there's two things they could and should practise. Particularly as some players are called upon to take a penalty when they've never taken one in their life.

If Miller was 34/35 before Hartlepool, I'm sure he's a pretty sophisticated penalty taker, which makes it even more odd that he blazed it over the bar!

London Red wrote:
Den - I'm not saying PdC is totally right here at all and parts of what has happen do appear to have been handled badly by him and the club as a whole
.
However - the bottom line is we have a professional athlete (who's body is his tool) return to pre-season unfit (relatively) and then reported to have turn up late numerous times, miss radom days and start to argue over items which have been in place for over a year which he never previously had an issue with
.
Does that not seem strange to you?
.
Also how can there actually be any defence of that?
.
That type of behaivour is unprofessional and unacceptable!
.
If I started turning up late, started taking random days off and complained about having to work on a Friday - do you think my bosses would be looking at the grey in that?
.
By the way I wasn't thinking of you when I asked that question and the main posters who have been so anti-PdC over it have not yet answered - probably as deep down they know I am right
.
Had it been Risser (as rightly pointed out above used only as an example lots on here seem to hate him) the responses would have been totally different - yet the situation identical!
.
As said above I persoanlly can't see any reason why Caddis has started to act like this and because of that can't see how he can be defended
.
If it does transpire there is something being held out of the public demain (above what he has admitted to doing) then I will apologise and my view could well change - but without that I just can't see how people are slating PdC for his stance over this - which is nothing to do with a PdC love in at all

doomster wrote:
What a disaster losing Caddis our defense has already shown how badly he will be mised. Paolo would of been far better taking the Danny Wilson stance and allowing the players to form splinter groups. Last time this kind of things happened we lost a world class striker in Clarke for that lethargic Benson. If only Paolo could spot a full back that McKevely is shocking.
In Paolo we trust.

doomster wrote:
What a disaster losing Caddis our defense has already shown how badly he will be mised. Paolo would of been far better taking the Danny Wilson stance and allowing the players to form splinter groups. Last time this kind of things happened we lost a world class striker in Clarke for that lethargic Benson. If only Paolo could spot a full back that McKevely is shocking.
In Paolo we trust.

dreamofacleansheet2 wrote:
Right just trawled through the odds for tomorrow's game. 11/8 with Coral the best price, they really don't fancy us at all. Mind you no longer offering 10/1 against us winning the league.

Other very interesting price was Paddy Power offering 2/1 on us keeping a clean sheet. I know we are in a different division but that's a massive price with our record. They've three players out which will make it easier for us than might have otherwise been. Home win and another clean sheet coming to salute me again!

Ps Steve I know you remember I was the first to call Back to back promotions, getting close to going nap on back to back to back when we sign Bostock!

the real Tosh man wrote:

doomster wrote:
What a disaster losing Caddis our defense has already shown how badly he will be mised. Paolo would of been far better taking the Danny Wilson stance and allowing the players to form splinter groups. Last time this kind of things happened we lost a world class striker in Clarke for that lethargic Benson. If only Paolo could spot a full back that McKevely is shocking.
In Paolo we trust.

Everything you have said is utter b0llocks

Wilesy wrote:
I'm sure if Caddis really wanted to stay

a) he wouldn't have come back unfit in the first place

b) he wouldn't (seemingly) have argued about stuff with Paolo on a number of occasions leading to a big falling out

c) he would come out and apologise, and promise to toe the line and get back to full fitness.

Looks to me as if Caddis has either had his head turned by his agent, or has got a bit complacement over his relationship with Paolo, ie he may have felt over-confident in his ability to catch up fitness-wise, and also in criticising Paolo's methods.

Either way he has been caught out, and the bridge has been broken.

I can't believe Paolo has just turned on his captain, his most trusted lieutenant from last season, and decided to 'Leon Clarke' him out of the club without reason, that would be ridiculous.

I don't think it beneficial to compare the scenario if the player was Risser or anyone else at the club as the situation of every player and their relationship with Paolo and position in the team is so different.

I just hope this has opened the eyes of the other players.....cross Paolo and you're out.

kandiman wrote:
So, Paolo finally lost the plot, huh? Selling one of our best player because he's a little off his game - understandably so - right now is petty and childish. Actually, Di Canio's handling of the whole thing has, at best, been petty and childish. And who's going to replace him at right back? Devera? Thompson? As if! We all saw how crappy we were on the right last season without the Cads/Ritchie combo, didn't we? Was Paolo asleep through those games?

TheDukeOfBanbury wrote:
Never a dull moment at STFC.

The Caddis & Di Canio spat suddenly does not make Caddis a poor player or Di Canio a bad Manager.
Just accept it for what it is. It has happened and we must now move on.

Caddis is a quality player for sure. Not surprised a Championship side see his value, or would I with at least another 3 to 4 of our current players.

Di Canio is the Manager, whether some of us like it or not. His way is the only way and the Board support him 100%. Not surprised therefore he remains with us.
I for one cannot believe the transformation at our Club in such a short period in time. He has certainly given a big lift back to the Club.
Equally you will not hear me criticise Caddis or Di Canio for that matter.

These things happen in football and in the Office. Seen it so many times before and no doubt will see it numerous times again.

Lets accept what has happened, draw a line under it and move on.

We have lost a good player for sure but we still have great things happening at STFC, the best for many years.

I wish Cadds all the best for the future. Top player and a really decent lad...........but I continue to support STFC and the Manager is doing good job and we continue to look a decent side, even in small patches at Hartlepool so we move on.

Next stop against the Franchise with 3 players out. Lets carry on where we left off Tuesday.
Looking forward again.
COYR'ds.

the real Tosh man wrote:

doomster wrote:
What a disaster losing Caddis our defense has already shown how badly he will be mised. Paolo would of been far better taking the Danny Wilson stance and allowing the players to form splinter groups. Last time this kind of things happened we lost a world class striker in Clarke for that lethargic Benson. If only Paolo could spot a full back that McKevely is shocking.
In Paolo we trust.

Having read this again however, I think it's probably tongue in cheek?

Oi Den! wrote:

stfcknowitall wrote:

Oi Den! wrote:

stfcknowitall wrote:

the wizard wrote:

stfcknowitall wrote:

the wizard wrote: With Caddis almost certainly gone, we also need a penalty taker who can bury the ball in the net, not fly it into the stands, Macca ?

Williams, Ritchie, Mcceverly, macca. Take your pick!

Well, I think we need to have a nominated player, so practice can be done. Paolo is the one who is speaking of the high expectation placed on his squad, so in fairness the player concerned should have practice on penalties in training, it could all come down to valuable penalties scored at the end of the season. Many are getting carried away, but we have only played two games so far and in one of those games we missed a penalty so I think its a valid point, and that resulted in two points dropped. Tomorrow could be decided in the same manner as it's likely to be a very close game, another chance to secure the three points could arise, so therefore it is paramount we have someone who can deliver.

I definately agree wizard, I personally would pick Ritchie as he has power and placement, like you said we're already looking at two points dropped because of a missed pen.

Even the best penalty takers miss them occasionally. I wouldn't want Miller to stop taking them because he missed last week. You say we dropped 2 points because we missed a pen but Hartlepool could equally say that their missed chances caused them to drop 2 points. But both points are equally invalid really. Who knows how the game would have gone if we'd scored that penalty? We might have gone on to win, or Hartlepool might have come roaring back with 2 quick goals. . By the way, completely agree with your assessment of Caddis. He's a neat and tidy footballer and also seems a very nice fellow; I wish him all the best, but I think this move will be a severe test for him. A more positive way of looking at it is that it is a marvellous opportunity. If he does succeed at Birmingham it could be the making of him.

if our points are invalid why waste your time commenting on them?

Haha! It was just a turn of phrase - perhaps not the best choice of words. It was my way of disagreeing with the statement that the missed penalty cost us two points. Perhaps it did, perhaps it didn't. Nobody knows.

London Red wrote:
Congratulations Donald on posting the landmark 100th comment - and it is a good post in all

donaldslovechild wrote:
Nobody is happy with the Caddis situation but it is the dynamic of the group that matters and if it is wrong then it WILL affect performance. The great managers are aware of this and while Paolo is not a great manager yet he has the charisma and motivational qualities that very few possess. He has created something unique in his short time at STFC and, after some fairly desperate times, we are back on the footballing map. I was fortunate enough to talk to Alan Mac the other day and he said that players are queing up to come to our club. When was the last time we could say that? Paul C was a very popular player and we all wish the situation could be resolved but the damage is done and the awesome performance against Crawley shows that the manager and the players have moved on. Its time to let it be.

London Red wrote:
Congratulations Donald on posting the landmark 100th comment - and it is a good post in all

Oi Den! wrote:

London Red wrote: The targets fall away as we only choose quality - the player they had lined up last week for example got drafted back into a Championship side! . If we simply wanted cack - we would easily get it! . As for the agent bit didn't he just mean Caddis' agent has been ringing around (as obviously he has decided he wants out rather than actually work to stay) and approached Spencer over a couple of possibilities - of which one could be suitable for PdC to accept . However, beyond that they have not had a formal approach by the club in question itself . The other thing I'm interested in knowing had this been Risser for example - how many would have been slating PdC over it like they have with Caddis? . My bet is none and everyone would have be anti-Risser (or A.N.Other player) saying that is out of order what he has done - i.e. turned up unfit, turned up late if he actually bothered to turn up . It does seem that as Caddis is a fans favourite his behaviour has been totally ignored and he has been portrayed as an inicent victim in this whole affair

Well, you can count me out of your equation, LR. As I've said before, I don't think Caddis's departure will damage our prospects much. But I doubt very much whether PDC is entirely in the right on this matter. Some people seem to think we all have to be either pro-PDC or pro-Caddis. But life isn't that black and white. Yet again, we have a situation where two people have had a major disagreement. It doesn't mean one must be completely right and other completely wrong. As ever, the answer will lie somewhere between the two. I wish both of them had behaved differently but I also wish them both all the best, for different reasons. And if the same thing happened with Risser (also not a favourite of mine) I would say exactly the same thing. You should try seeing both sides of the argument sometime, instead of refusing to look beyond your unconditional support for PDC. You are exactly the same with opposing players, opposing managers and officials. They are always wrong. We never are.

stfcknowitall wrote:

Oi Den! wrote:

stfcknowitall wrote:

Oi Den! wrote:

stfcknowitall wrote:

the wizard wrote:

stfcknowitall wrote:

the wizard wrote: With Caddis almost certainly gone, we also need a penalty taker who can bury the ball in the net, not fly it into the stands, Macca ?

Williams, Ritchie, Mcceverly, macca. Take your pick!

Well, I think we need to have a nominated player, so practice can be done. Paolo is the one who is speaking of the high expectation placed on his squad, so in fairness the player concerned should have practice on penalties in training, it could all come down to valuable penalties scored at the end of the season. Many are getting carried away, but we have only played two games so far and in one of those games we missed a penalty so I think its a valid point, and that resulted in two points dropped. Tomorrow could be decided in the same manner as it's likely to be a very close game, another chance to secure the three points could arise, so therefore it is paramount we have someone who can deliver.

I definately agree wizard, I personally would pick Ritchie as he has power and placement, like you said we're already looking at two points dropped because of a missed pen.

Even the best penalty takers miss them occasionally. I wouldn't want Miller to stop taking them because he missed last week. You say we dropped 2 points because we missed a pen but Hartlepool could equally say that their missed chances caused them to drop 2 points. But both points are equally invalid really. Who knows how the game would have gone if we'd scored that penalty? We might have gone on to win, or Hartlepool might have come roaring back with 2 quick goals. . By the way, completely agree with your assessment of Caddis. He's a neat and tidy footballer and also seems a very nice fellow; I wish him all the best, but I think this move will be a severe test for him. A more positive way of looking at it is that it is a marvellous opportunity. If he does succeed at Birmingham it could be the making of him.

if our points are invalid why waste your time commenting on them?

Haha! It was just a turn of phrase - perhaps not the best choice of words. It was my way of disagreeing with the statement that the missed penalty cost us two points. Perhaps it did, perhaps it didn't. Nobody knows.

If the game ends 0-0 as it did and our best chance was from the penalty spot and we missed then I conclude that as two points dropped!

Steve. Brentford wrote:

London Red wrote:
Congratulations Donald on posting the landmark 100th comment - and it is a good post in all

Waaaayyyyhaayyy, that's the first time Ive ever read a "good post" from you James, unless i was on holiday the other time ;)

DarrenSTFCRomain wrote:

Oi Den! wrote:

London Red wrote: The targets fall away as we only choose quality - the player they had lined up last week for example got drafted back into a Championship side! . If we simply wanted cack - we would easily get it! . As for the agent bit didn't he just mean Caddis' agent has been ringing around (as obviously he has decided he wants out rather than actually work to stay) and approached Spencer over a couple of possibilities - of which one could be suitable for PdC to accept . However, beyond that they have not had a formal approach by the club in question itself . The other thing I'm interested in knowing had this been Risser for example - how many would have been slating PdC over it like they have with Caddis? . My bet is none and everyone would have be anti-Risser (or A.N.Other player) saying that is out of order what he has done - i.e. turned up unfit, turned up late if he actually bothered to turn up . It does seem that as Caddis is a fans favourite his behaviour has been totally ignored and he has been portrayed as an inicent victim in this whole affair

Well, you can count me out of your equation, LR. As I've said before, I don't think Caddis's departure will damage our prospects much. But I doubt very much whether PDC is entirely in the right on this matter. Some people seem to think we all have to be either pro-PDC or pro-Caddis. But life isn't that black and white. Yet again, we have a situation where two people have had a major disagreement. It doesn't mean one must be completely right and other completely wrong. As ever, the answer will lie somewhere between the two. I wish both of them had behaved differently but I also wish them both all the best, for different reasons. And if the same thing happened with Risser (also not a favourite of mine) I would say exactly the same thing. You should try seeing both sides of the argument sometime, instead of refusing to look beyond your unconditional support for PDC. You are exactly the same with opposing players, opposing managers and officials. They are always wrong. We never are.

Well i dont think SWINDON TOWN FC will miss Caddis,,,
IF he was as good a pro like most think on here he woulld have returned back 2 pre-season as fit as a flee and rearing 2go..

mike1990 wrote:

Steve. Brentford wrote:

London Red wrote:
Congratulations Donald on posting the landmark 100th comment - and it is a good post in all

Waaaayyyyhaayyy, that's the first time Ive ever read a "good post" from you James, unless i was on holiday the other time ;)

Multiple identity Steve,get Joey Butler on his case.

Redgollum wrote:

DarrenSTFCRomain wrote:

Oi Den! wrote:

London Red wrote: The targets fall away as we only choose quality - the player they had lined up last week for example got drafted back into a Championship side! . If we simply wanted cack - we would easily get it! . As for the agent bit didn't he just mean Caddis' agent has been ringing around (as obviously he has decided he wants out rather than actually work to stay) and approached Spencer over a couple of possibilities - of which one could be suitable for PdC to accept . However, beyond that they have not had a formal approach by the club in question itself . The other thing I'm interested in knowing had this been Risser for example - how many would have been slating PdC over it like they have with Caddis? . My bet is none and everyone would have be anti-Risser (or A.N.Other player) saying that is out of order what he has done - i.e. turned up unfit, turned up late if he actually bothered to turn up . It does seem that as Caddis is a fans favourite his behaviour has been totally ignored and he has been portrayed as an inicent victim in this whole affair

Well, you can count me out of your equation, LR. As I've said before, I don't think Caddis's departure will damage our prospects much. But I doubt very much whether PDC is entirely in the right on this matter. Some people seem to think we all have to be either pro-PDC or pro-Caddis. But life isn't that black and white. Yet again, we have a situation where two people have had a major disagreement. It doesn't mean one must be completely right and other completely wrong. As ever, the answer will lie somewhere between the two. I wish both of them had behaved differently but I also wish them both all the best, for different reasons. And if the same thing happened with Risser (also not a favourite of mine) I would say exactly the same thing. You should try seeing both sides of the argument sometime, instead of refusing to look beyond your unconditional support for PDC. You are exactly the same with opposing players, opposing managers and officials. They are always wrong. We never are.

Well i dont think SWINDON TOWN FC will miss Caddis,,, IF he was as good a pro like most think on here he woulld have returned back 2 pre-season as fit as a flee and rearing 2go..

"fit as a flee and rearing 2go" wonderful English don't you think? I don't trust a word that the guy has written.

Steve. Brentford wrote:

mike1990 wrote:

Steve. Brentford wrote:

London Red wrote:
Congratulations Donald on posting the landmark 100th comment - and it is a good post in all

Waaaayyyyhaayyy, that's the first time Ive ever read a "good post" from you James, unless i was on holiday the other time ;)

Multiple identity Steve,get Joey Butler on his case.

Haha, JBs already on his case.

Redgollum wrote:

DarrenSTFCRomain wrote:

Oi Den! wrote:

London Red wrote: The targets fall away as we only choose quality - the player they had lined up last week for example got drafted back into a Championship side! . If we simply wanted cack - we would easily get it! . As for the agent bit didn't he just mean Caddis' agent has been ringing around (as obviously he has decided he wants out rather than actually work to stay) and approached Spencer over a couple of possibilities - of which one could be suitable for PdC to accept . However, beyond that they have not had a formal approach by the club in question itself . The other thing I'm interested in knowing had this been Risser for example - how many would have been slating PdC over it like they have with Caddis? . My bet is none and everyone would have be anti-Risser (or A.N.Other player) saying that is out of order what he has done - i.e. turned up unfit, turned up late if he actually bothered to turn up . It does seem that as Caddis is a fans favourite his behaviour has been totally ignored and he has been portrayed as an inicent victim in this whole affair

Well, you can count me out of your equation, LR. As I've said before, I don't think Caddis's departure will damage our prospects much. But I doubt very much whether PDC is entirely in the right on this matter. Some people seem to think we all have to be either pro-PDC or pro-Caddis. But life isn't that black and white. Yet again, we have a situation where two people have had a major disagreement. It doesn't mean one must be completely right and other completely wrong. As ever, the answer will lie somewhere between the two. I wish both of them had behaved differently but I also wish them both all the best, for different reasons. And if the same thing happened with Risser (also not a favourite of mine) I would say exactly the same thing. You should try seeing both sides of the argument sometime, instead of refusing to look beyond your unconditional support for PDC. You are exactly the same with opposing players, opposing managers and officials. They are always wrong. We never are.

Well i dont think SWINDON TOWN FC will miss Caddis,,,
IF he was as good a pro like most think on here he woulld have returned back 2 pre-season as fit as a flee and rearing 2go..

"fit as a flee and rearing 2go" wonderful English don't you think? I don't trust a word that the guy has written.

old town robin wrote:

Steve. Brentford wrote:

mike1990 wrote:

Steve. Brentford wrote:

London Red wrote:
Congratulations Donald on posting the landmark 100th comment - and it is a good post in all

Waaaayyyyhaayyy, that's the first time Ive ever read a "good post" from you James, unless i was on holiday the other time ;)

Multiple identity Steve,get Joey Butler on his case.

Haha, JBs already on his case.

I think PDC seized on the Caddis situation to have a repeat of Clarkegate, and so get some fringe players behind him at the expense of one which he felt was easily replaced. The whole "Oh I've got a baby" thing was just a vehicle to mount the attack from. All carefully calculated to bond the players like it did with Clarke.

Seems to me he likes to pick on somebody in a vulnerable position and then capitalise on it to his advantage. He got his rant in first which manipulated the player into a ny on impossible situation. Cunning.”

I think JB will be on the case of Wiz (or james A) after his last post quoted above. I don't normally agree with Malksym, but have to ask the question has Wiz forgotten to take his medicine to come out with such an absurd accusation that Paolo has engineered the whole incident to create a siege mentality. To be honest I couldn't believe what I was reading.

the wizard wrote:
OTR , Chill old buddy, it was all tongue-in-cheek, just so very surprised it took someone so long to react, lol.

Malkym wrote:

the wizard wrote:
I think PDC seized on the Caddis situation to have a repeat of Clarkegate, and so get some fringe players behind him at the expense of one which he felt was easily replaced. The whole "Oh I've got a baby" thing was just a vehicle to mount the attack from. All carefully calculated to bond the players like it did with Clarke. Seems to me he likes to pick on somebody in a vulnerable position and then capitalise on it to his advantage. He got his rant in first which manipulated the player into a ny on impossible situation. Cunning.

Methinks that's a load of old cobblers Wiz - sorry!

NORTH STAND wrote:

Redgollum wrote:

DarrenSTFCRomain wrote:

Oi Den! wrote:

London Red wrote: The targets fall away as we only choose quality - the player they had lined up last week for example got drafted back into a Championship side! . If we simply wanted cack - we would easily get it! . As for the agent bit didn't he just mean Caddis' agent has been ringing around (as obviously he has decided he wants out rather than actually work to stay) and approached Spencer over a couple of possibilities - of which one could be suitable for PdC to accept . However, beyond that they have not had a formal approach by the club in question itself . The other thing I'm interested in knowing had this been Risser for example - how many would have been slating PdC over it like they have with Caddis? . My bet is none and everyone would have be anti-Risser (or A.N.Other player) saying that is out of order what he has done - i.e. turned up unfit, turned up late if he actually bothered to turn up . It does seem that as Caddis is a fans favourite his behaviour has been totally ignored and he has been portrayed as an inicent victim in this whole affair

Well, you can count me out of your equation, LR. As I've said before, I don't think Caddis's departure will damage our prospects much. But I doubt very much whether PDC is entirely in the right on this matter. Some people seem to think we all have to be either pro-PDC or pro-Caddis. But life isn't that black and white. Yet again, we have a situation where two people have had a major disagreement. It doesn't mean one must be completely right and other completely wrong. As ever, the answer will lie somewhere between the two. I wish both of them had behaved differently but I also wish them both all the best, for different reasons. And if the same thing happened with Risser (also not a favourite of mine) I would say exactly the same thing. You should try seeing both sides of the argument sometime, instead of refusing to look beyond your unconditional support for PDC. You are exactly the same with opposing players, opposing managers and officials. They are always wrong. We never are.

Well i dont think SWINDON TOWN FC will miss Caddis,,,
IF he was as good a pro like most think on here he woulld have returned back 2 pre-season as fit as a flee and rearing 2go..

"fit as a flee and rearing 2go" wonderful English don't you think? I don't trust a word that the guy has written.

"fit as a flee and rearing 2go" wonderful English don't you think? I don't trust a word that the guy has written.

Seems like a reasonable question from a genuine fan to me Redtrollom... and to be fair he could crap on the screen and smear it around and it would still be in front of anthing you have ever contributed...l

NORTH STAND wrote:

Redgollum wrote:

DarrenSTFCRomain wrote:

Oi Den! wrote:

London Red wrote: The targets fall away as we only choose quality - the player they had lined up last week for example got drafted back into a Championship side! . If we simply wanted cack - we would easily get it! . As for the agent bit didn't he just mean Caddis' agent has been ringing around (as obviously he has decided he wants out rather than actually work to stay) and approached Spencer over a couple of possibilities - of which one could be suitable for PdC to accept . However, beyond that they have not had a formal approach by the club in question itself . The other thing I'm interested in knowing had this been Risser for example - how many would have been slating PdC over it like they have with Caddis? . My bet is none and everyone would have be anti-Risser (or A.N.Other player) saying that is out of order what he has done - i.e. turned up unfit, turned up late if he actually bothered to turn up . It does seem that as Caddis is a fans favourite his behaviour has been totally ignored and he has been portrayed as an inicent victim in this whole affair

Well, you can count me out of your equation, LR. As I've said before, I don't think Caddis's departure will damage our prospects much. But I doubt very much whether PDC is entirely in the right on this matter. Some people seem to think we all have to be either pro-PDC or pro-Caddis. But life isn't that black and white. Yet again, we have a situation where two people have had a major disagreement. It doesn't mean one must be completely right and other completely wrong. As ever, the answer will lie somewhere between the two. I wish both of them had behaved differently but I also wish them both all the best, for different reasons. And if the same thing happened with Risser (also not a favourite of mine) I would say exactly the same thing. You should try seeing both sides of the argument sometime, instead of refusing to look beyond your unconditional support for PDC. You are exactly the same with opposing players, opposing managers and officials. They are always wrong. We never are.

Well i dont think SWINDON TOWN FC will miss Caddis,,, IF he was as good a pro like most think on here he woulld have returned back 2 pre-season as fit as a flee and rearing 2go..

"fit as a flee and rearing 2go" wonderful English don't you think? I don't trust a word that the guy has written.

"fit as a flee and rearing 2go" wonderful English don't you think? I don't trust a word that the guy has written. Seems like a reasonable question from a genuine fan to me Redtrollom... and to be fair he could crap on the screen and smear it around and it would still be in front of anthing you have ever contributed...l

Redgollum wrote:

NORTH STAND wrote:

Redgollum wrote:

DarrenSTFCRomain wrote:

Oi Den! wrote:

London Red wrote: The targets fall away as we only choose quality - the player they had lined up last week for example got drafted back into a Championship side! . If we simply wanted cack - we would easily get it! . As for the agent bit didn't he just mean Caddis' agent has been ringing around (as obviously he has decided he wants out rather than actually work to stay) and approached Spencer over a couple of possibilities - of which one could be suitable for PdC to accept . However, beyond that they have not had a formal approach by the club in question itself . The other thing I'm interested in knowing had this been Risser for example - how many would have been slating PdC over it like they have with Caddis? . My bet is none and everyone would have be anti-Risser (or A.N.Other player) saying that is out of order what he has done - i.e. turned up unfit, turned up late if he actually bothered to turn up . It does seem that as Caddis is a fans favourite his behaviour has been totally ignored and he has been portrayed as an inicent victim in this whole affair

Well, you can count me out of your equation, LR. As I've said before, I don't think Caddis's departure will damage our prospects much. But I doubt very much whether PDC is entirely in the right on this matter. Some people seem to think we all have to be either pro-PDC or pro-Caddis. But life isn't that black and white. Yet again, we have a situation where two people have had a major disagreement. It doesn't mean one must be completely right and other completely wrong. As ever, the answer will lie somewhere between the two. I wish both of them had behaved differently but I also wish them both all the best, for different reasons. And if the same thing happened with Risser (also not a favourite of mine) I would say exactly the same thing. You should try seeing both sides of the argument sometime, instead of refusing to look beyond your unconditional support for PDC. You are exactly the same with opposing players, opposing managers and officials. They are always wrong. We never are.

Well i dont think SWINDON TOWN FC will miss Caddis,,, IF he was as good a pro like most think on here he woulld have returned back 2 pre-season as fit as a flee and rearing 2go..

"fit as a flee and rearing 2go" wonderful English don't you think? I don't trust a word that the guy has written.

"fit as a flee and rearing 2go" wonderful English don't you think? I don't trust a word that the guy has written. Seems like a reasonable question from a genuine fan to me Redtrollom... and to be fair he could crap on the screen and smear it around and it would still be in front of anthing you have ever contributed...l

WTF. If you don't have the same opinion as me, too bad. And, I stand by my contributions to this site. Yours, NS, are IMO just nasty.

Steve. Brentford wrote:

Malkym wrote:

the wizard wrote:
I think PDC seized on the Caddis situation to have a repeat of Clarkegate, and so get some fringe players behind him at the expense of one which he felt was easily replaced. The whole "Oh I've got a baby" thing was just a vehicle to mount the attack from. All carefully calculated to bond the players like it did with Clarke. Seems to me he likes to pick on somebody in a vulnerable position and then capitalise on it to his advantage. He got his rant in first which manipulated the player into a ny on impossible situation. Cunning.

Methinks that's a load of old cobblers Wiz - sorry!

Someone already answered Wiz, did you miss it.It seems Malky believes it has something to do with Northampton anyway!

the wizard wrote:
OTR , Chill old buddy, it was all tongue-in-cheek, just so very surprised it took someone so long to react, lol.

Malkym wrote:

the wizard wrote:
OTR , Chill old buddy, it was all tongue-in-cheek, just so very surprised it took someone so long to react, lol.

Probably cos some of us were still at work Wiz!

Exmouth_red69 wrote:
Stokes, some of your facts are way off the mark, jw mentioned family more important. Let's try and get them right before people start ranting again today.

Paolo Di Canio, Paolo Di Canio.

Rogersalegend wrote:
Am a bit Disappointed in PDC. Offer a player a 2 year contract in the last couple of months and then just because they have a tiff throw Caddis out. If that is the case, and i dont know the facts, loyalty should be a 2 way thing sort it out and get on with the football. STFC comes before PDC or PC personal stuff seems to come in to play a lot with PDC. You dont have to love each other or get on as long as the end goal is the same success for The Town. Be men not truculent school kids.

Oi Den! wrote:
Chaps, some of you will recall that I posted the sad news of zznewyork's death a few weeks ago. I had a couple of beers with his brothers tonight and I passed on the condolences that many had posted. Understandably, your comments were well received. I thought you would all like to know that zz's ashes will be buried at the County Ground within the next few weeks.

Oi Den! wrote:
Chaps, some of you will recall that I posted the sad news of zznewyork's death a few weeks ago. I had a couple of beers with his brothers tonight and I passed on the condolences that many had posted. Understandably, your comments were well received. I thought you would all like to know that zz's ashes will be buried at the County Ground within the next few weeks.

Oi Den! wrote:
Chaps, some of you will recall that I posted the sad news of zznewyork's death a few weeks ago. I had a couple of beers with his brothers tonight and I passed on the condolences that many had posted. Understandably, your comments were well received. I thought you would all like to know that zz's ashes will be buried at the County Ground within the next few weeks.

Steve. Brentford wrote:

Oi Den! wrote:
Chaps, some of you will recall that I posted the sad news of zznewyork's death a few weeks ago. I had a couple of beers with his brothers tonight and I passed on the condolences that many had posted. Understandably, your comments were well received. I thought you would all like to know that zz's ashes will be buried at the County Ground within the next few weeks.

Good man Den,it makes me realise just how unimportant things like the Caddis situation really is.

the wizard wrote:

Steve. Brentford wrote:

Malkym wrote:

the wizard wrote:
I think PDC seized on the Caddis situation to have a repeat of Clarkegate, and so get some fringe players behind him at the expense of one which he felt was easily replaced. The whole "Oh I've got a baby" thing was just a vehicle to mount the attack from. All carefully calculated to bond the players like it did with Clarke. Seems to me he likes to pick on somebody in a vulnerable position and then capitalise on it to his advantage. He got his rant in first which manipulated the player into a ny on impossible situation. Cunning.

Methinks that's a load of old cobblers Wiz - sorry!

Someone already answered Wiz, did you miss it.It seems Malky believes it has something to do with Northampton anyway!

Well I think I may have missed it, until your note just now.

Its like this, whatever went on, well its all happened and I feel as bad about it as everyone else.

I think I got very peeved over the whole affair. Today offered nothing new either, so over a coffee I thought about writing something well controversial as a means to get folk snapped out of it all. Darn weather has worn me down, every time we go away, we get rain, same as everyone else. I was trying to spice things up a bit. Though about posting a rumour that he was off to Raith Rovers as well, but decided against it.

Just hate situations such as this, all I want is for the players to be happy and the team to do well. Perhaps in this life such a feat is pushing it a bit, with political correctness etc.

Home win tomorrow, 2-0 and I will be profoundly happy. Now where did I put that Perlenbecker ?

Oi Den! wrote:
Chaps, some of you will recall that I posted the sad news of zznewyork's death a few weeks ago. I had a couple of beers with his brothers tonight and I passed on the condolences that many had posted. Understandably, your comments were well received. I thought you would all like to know that zz's ashes will be buried at the County Ground within the next few weeks.

Steve. Brentford wrote:

the wizard wrote:

Steve. Brentford wrote:

Malkym wrote:

the wizard wrote:
I think PDC seized on the Caddis situation to have a repeat of Clarkegate, and so get some fringe players behind him at the expense of one which he felt was easily replaced. The whole "Oh I've got a baby" thing was just a vehicle to mount the attack from. All carefully calculated to bond the players like it did with Clarke. Seems to me he likes to pick on somebody in a vulnerable position and then capitalise on it to his advantage. He got his rant in first which manipulated the player into a ny on impossible situation. Cunning.

Methinks that's a load of old cobblers Wiz - sorry!

Someone already answered Wiz, did you miss it.It seems Malky believes it has something to do with Northampton anyway!

Well I think I may have missed it, until your note just now.

Its like this, whatever went on, well its all happened and I feel as bad about it as everyone else.

I think I got very peeved over the whole affair. Today offered nothing new either, so over a coffee I thought about writing something well controversial as a means to get folk snapped out of it all. Darn weather has worn me down, every time we go away, we get rain, same as everyone else. I was trying to spice things up a bit. Though about posting a rumour that he was off to Raith Rovers as well, but decided against it.

Just hate situations such as this, all I want is for the players to be happy and the team to do well. Perhaps in this life such a feat is pushing it a bit, with political correctness etc.

Home win tomorrow, 2-0 and I will be profoundly happy. Now where did I put that Perlenbecker ?

Wiz, we all want everything to run smooth with our club mate but this is Swindon we are talking about and for as long as i can remember (your memory probably goes back further than mine) we have always attracted controversy, i remember my old dad saying to me (the day before, we beat Arsenal at the CG) why do you waste your time and energy on a sh1tty little team like Swindon,they will never win anything,he was a massive Gunners fan by the way, i had no answer then being a teenager (except for singing 4-3 to him that night) but i now know it was not my choice,the Town captured my heart then i that wont change no matter what.I am trying to say is don't get to down about things you cant change and enjoy these rare prosperous times.

the wizard wrote:
Den,

Not wishing to be seen as in appropriate, but any chance of being able to attend to respectfully pay respects.

SAPFanSTFC wrote:

Rogersalegend wrote:
Am a bit Disappointed in PDC. Offer a player a 2 year contract in the last couple of months and then just because they have a tiff throw Caddis out. If that is the case, and i dont know the facts, loyalty should be a 2 way thing sort it out and get on with the football. STFC comes before PDC or PC personal stuff seems to come in to play a lot with PDC. You dont have to love each other or get on as long as the end goal is the same success for The Town. Be men not truculent school kids.

aah but did Caddis try resting on his laurels or start to think that he was a bit too important to the club?
..
His fitness was way off v C.Palace and despite him being one of my favourite players STFC is far far bigger and more important than him.
..
PDC has his rules and I'm sure Caddis has had a lot of chances but by going public as he did it was curtains...we'll miss him but the results won't!...3 games without him 3-0; 0-0; 3-0....I don't think it suggest the team will suffer as a result.
--
Players come and go but PDC is building something here and if he fails it has to be his responsibility, let the players start dictating things and we're back to where we were under Wilson.
--
Sadly he'll be going for 6 months or so but we'll still be climbing the league!