Apologise or get out (From Swindon Advertiser)

ScottLeitch wrote:
At the end of the day there are dozens of goalkeepers itching to play some games, we have a good defence so I wouldn't be suprised if the guy who comes in on loan does well...

southside7 wrote:
We have a good defence yes, but not infallable and have had the honour of watching Wes make many world class saves over the past year. Grave, grave mistake......JW will have a limit, this must be close.

tractorski-red wrote:
I listened to the game and from what I heard the whole team should have been substituted, it was dire listening, was it because Matt Richie wasn't playing? I am sorry but what I am hearing from the supporters is interesting, one minute you are slating PDC for his decisions, then he wins the league, all of a sudden he is then a GOD, he is the one that makes the decisions, signs the players and the whole team know how he works and what he wants before they sign on the dotted line. No one is above the manager, if Wes is not playing well why should he not be replaced, is he getting complacent, I agree he has been wonderful for us but, he still needs to be reminded that it is a team game and whether he likes it or not PDC makes the decision, so he has to deal with it and be professional, not throw the toys out of the pram and act like a very spoilt kid. Get on board Wes and show that you are man enough to say sorry and that you were under par, kiss and make up with PDC and lets move on. The difference between the Stoke and Preston games were poles apart and they went to Preston thinking that it was going to be a breeze and win. How wrong you were boys.

U REDS wrote:
Too much talking from Di Canio. However Wes was bang out of order. You make the mistake and hold your hands up. You don't kick water bottles and storm down the tunnel because have been taken off. Grow up Wes. I agree with Di Canio but he should keep it in the dressing room. The manager is the number 1 not Wes.

Exmouth_red69 wrote:
Here they all come out of the woodwork. some people just love a moan.

Muppets!

EastleazeRed wrote:
Calamity James heading to the county ground , you heard it here first !

sadgit wrote:
For what its worth the 1st thing PDC did in his post match interview was to accept responsibility for the defeat. He pointed out that after both of the brilliant cup wins we have put out dire league performances the following weekend. He said that he should have made many changes to keep the team fresh and regreted not doing so. It is not normally a good idea to change a winning team but it does seem that our lads are unable too keep focussed. I really rate Wes but he still has a long way to go to be brilliant as his ability to deal with high crosses is very suspect. I'm with Paolo. COYR

Doctor Bamber wrote:
lets look on the brightside.........n o one would have predicted the result, or the first substitution, so at least the prediction league remains "as was"....

avo wrote:

sadgit wrote:
For what its worth the 1st thing PDC did in his post match interview was to accept responsibility for the defeat. He pointed out that after both of the brilliant cup wins we have put out dire league performances the following weekend. He said that he should have made many changes to keep the team fresh and regreted not doing so. It is not normally a good idea to change a winning team but it does seem that our lads are unable too keep focussed. I really rate Wes but he still has a long way to go to be brilliant as his ability to deal with high crosses is very suspect. I'm with Paolo. COYR

Very good point about his ability on crosses - one nagging feeling I've had this season is that he seems more intent to come for anything in the box, perhaps in an attempt to be more involved? yet he looks far from competent in both his decision making and his actual dealing of said crosses at the moment, to the point where I'd secretly thought 'oh no, not the smith/brezovan era all over again'

penworthamwhite wrote:
Morning all, as a PNE fan at yesterdays game I have to say that despite the result I genuinely believe you are a decent side. Yes it was a bad day at the office, but I saw things in your team that in my opinion will mean you are there or there abouts come May. Your keepers reaction was bad fuelled by the derisory jeers from us! However his reaction seemed to effect the side who looked like they may get back into early second half. We are have had similar ups and downs re players and GW recently BUT yesterday proved to us there can be only one boss love him or loathe his rant yesterday PDC is a good manager. One of your other players flipped us the bird too after getting grief over a bad cross (blond lad on the left?) Ultimatley it shows they care I guess, for what it's worth we expect a very tough game in the return at your place.

Chish and Fips wrote:
The one common theme of all this - is the people who actually went to the match all agree it was the right decision and totally back PDC with what he has done then and after.

I think there is a case of Wes getting a little above his station and as we have treated him like some 'star player' it has effected his game and personality.
Perhaps IMO not the best way to deal with this - but then PDC believes it is, and I hope for all concerned it works out.

swwindon61uk wrote:

avo wrote:

sadgit wrote: For what its worth the 1st thing PDC did in his post match interview was to accept responsibility for the defeat. He pointed out that after both of the brilliant cup wins we have put out dire league performances the following weekend. He said that he should have made many changes to keep the team fresh and regreted not doing so. It is not normally a good idea to change a winning team but it does seem that our lads are unable too keep focussed. I really rate Wes but he still has a long way to go to be brilliant as his ability to deal with high crosses is very suspect. I'm with Paolo. COYR

Very good point about his ability on crosses - one nagging feeling I've had this season is that he seems more intent to come for anything in the box, perhaps in an attempt to be more involved? yet he looks far from competent in both his decision making and his actual dealing of said crosses at the moment, to the point where I'd secretly thought 'oh no, not the smith/brezovan era all over again'

Did not see this or the above posts before i posted,but it does seem like several of us have noticed the quailty of cross catching. I will differ with you however about Smith on this,who i thought was good on catching and in fact a very good goalkeeper but was prone to make a massive error on occasion which a lot of people focused on. Wish he was here right now as IMHO he would have been a great push for Wes and we would have a very good 1-2 at this level.

jam1 wrote:
honestly some of you people have no idea. I cant believe some of the anger directed at paolo on here, just because hes substituted your favourite player. Wes is a young immature keeper, who could go on to become a very good keeper with the right attitude. Paolo has been quite clear that it was his reaction to his teams mates and not taking responsibility for his mistakes that infuriated him the most. He wasn't happy with the attitude and mk dons or stoke either... Stop crying because he's taken dear old wes and undestand that he is the manager and he picks the team, not the players, not the fans, he does!!!!

Doctor Bamber wrote:
lets look on the brightside.........n

o one would have predicted the result, or the first substitution, so at least the prediction league remains "as was"....

stfcknowitall wrote:
Right ask yourselves this...If Wes hadn't kicked off and threw his toys out the pram about being substituted would there be such a big uproar about this whole thing?

If Wes had looked slightly peed off about being taken off but took it on the chin and left the pitch normally would we all be talking about it now?

Yes taking a goalkeeper off for tactical reasons and not because of injury is unusual but its Paolos choice, I agree with Paolo if a player in any outfield position made several mistakes they would be taken off so why not a goalkeeper?

Wes is the culprit in this case, yes he was upset about being subbed but if he had left the pitch in a professional manner all us fans would be talking about is an unusual decision to sub a goalkeeper, not about wes leaving the club and Paolo having no man management skills.

The bottom line is, yes wes being subbed was slightly strange but wes should have accepted the fact he's been subbed after making some costly mistakes, just like any other player on the pitch would have to of done. Instead Wes has made a massive saga out of the whole thing and tried to make Paolo look bad.

IN PAOLO I TRUST!!

Jovial wrote:
PDC may have got results but his behaviour is increasingly bizarre - I don't think it will be longer before it all ends in tears. If I was Foderingham I would be off he's done more than enough to be first team choice at a pick of clubs - would be our loss. As good as PDC is I'm rapidly going off him.

penworthamwhite wrote:
Morning all, as a PNE fan at yesterdays game I have to say that despite the result I genuinely believe you are a decent side. Yes it was a bad day at the office, but I saw things in your team that in my opinion will mean you are there or there abouts come May. Your keepers reaction was bad fuelled by the derisory jeers from us! However his reaction seemed to effect the side who looked like they may get back into early second half. We are have had similar ups and downs re players and GW recently BUT yesterday proved to us there can be only one boss love him or loathe his rant yesterday PDC is a good manager. One of your other players flipped us the bird too after getting grief over a bad cross (blond lad on the left?) Ultimatley it shows they care I guess, for what it's worth we expect a very tough game in the return at your place.

Oi Den! wrote:

Chish and Fips wrote: The one common theme of all this - is the people who actually went to the match all agree it was the right decision and totally back PDC with what he has done then and after. I think there is a case of Wes getting a little above his station and as we have treated him like some 'star player' it has effected his game and personality. Perhaps IMO not the best way to deal with this - but then PDC believes it is, and I hope for all concerned it works out.

Chish, I don't think it can ever be right, except in the case of injury of course, to substitute a player in the first 20 minutes of a game - particularly a goalkeeper. Every player can have a bad start to a game. The least they deserve is the opportunity to redeem themsleves. . Is there a goalkeeper in the land who has never made a ****-up in dealing with a ball that he's not allowed to pick up? It happens. One poster who was there yesterday said he thought Foderingham then tried to make amends by releasing the ball quickly in an effort to get attacks going quickly. If so, his second error has arisen out of a genuine desire to play his part for the team. . If the lack of competition has made Foderingham become a little too comfortable in his position, whose fault is that? In some areas, we have more players than we need. In the goalkeeping position we do not have enough. . This is no anti-PDC rant. He has been a real joy for our club. But it's time he stopped pointing the finger at his players in public and got on with the job of managing them discreetly and diplomatically.

Oi Den! wrote:
So now we are hearing all about Foderingham's weaknesses. Where were all these comments before yesterday?

Oi Den! wrote:
So now we are hearing all about Foderingham's weaknesses. Where were all these comments before yesterday?

Since 1950 wrote:

Oi Den! wrote:

Chish and Fips wrote: The one common theme of all this - is the people who actually went to the match all agree it was the right decision and totally back PDC with what he has done then and after. I think there is a case of Wes getting a little above his station and as we have treated him like some 'star player' it has effected his game and personality. Perhaps IMO not the best way to deal with this - but then PDC believes it is, and I hope for all concerned it works out.

Chish, I don't think it can ever be right, except in the case of injury of course, to substitute a player in the first 20 minutes of a game - particularly a goalkeeper. Every player can have a bad start to a game. The least they deserve is the opportunity to redeem themsleves. . Is there a goalkeeper in the land who has never made a ****-up in dealing with a ball that he's not allowed to pick up? It happens. One poster who was there yesterday said he thought Foderingham then tried to make amends by releasing the ball quickly in an effort to get attacks going quickly. If so, his second error has arisen out of a genuine desire to play his part for the team. . If the lack of competition has made Foderingham become a little too comfortable in his position, whose fault is that? In some areas, we have more players than we need. In the goalkeeping position we do not have enough. . This is no anti-PDC rant. He has been a real joy for our club. But it's time he stopped pointing the finger at his players in public and got on with the job of managing them discreetly and diplomatically.

Agree with much of your post Den. To be fair to Paolo though, he did point the finger at himself in the first instance for his team selection and for not making more changes.
If you want a diplomat as manager then I would respectfully suggest Paolo is the wrong man. Leave the tact and diplomacy to Mr Wray. I do agree though, as I said in an earlier post that Paolo should resist temptation to administer public b********gs to his players via post match interviews. Sure, say this and that was wrong. However, that's Di Canio and he isn't going to change I guess.

Simples! wrote:

Exmouth_red69 wrote:
Here they all come out of the woodwork. some people just love a moan.

Muppets!

Tosser

avo wrote:

Oi Den! wrote:
So now we are hearing all about Foderingham's weaknesses. Where were all these comments before yesterday?

Hardly. A few people airing their observations from games so far. Is there a problem with that Den?
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Do you have any on Wes's performances so far, we normally agree on players, so surely you must have noticed that he looks a bit uncertain when coming to punch?
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His approach to commanding his area last season was far more reserved and I actually thought he looked a better keeper for it. I don't know of course, if this sudden charge of the light brigade approach in his box is something of his own doing or whether in fact he is being encouraged to do so by the coaching staff.

avo wrote:

Oi Den! wrote:
So now we are hearing all about Foderingham's weaknesses. Where were all these comments before yesterday?

Hardly. A few people airing their observations from games so far. Is there a problem with that Den?
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Do you have any on Wes's performances so far, we normally agree on players, so surely you must have noticed that he looks a bit uncertain when coming to punch?
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His approach to commanding his area last season was far more reserved and I actually thought he looked a better keeper for it. I don't know of course, if this sudden charge of the light brigade approach in his box is something of his own doing or whether in fact he is being encouraged to do so by the coaching staff.

Synthesizer Jones wrote:
We won't have any players left at this rate. Foderingham has been excellent since he joined; the best keeper we've had since Fraser Digby. He's got nothing to apologise for and shouldn't have to put up with being insulted byDi Canio in the press. If anyone should be apologising, it should be the manager who is more than happy to claim the adulation for victory but quick to point the finger of blame for failure. Caddis, Foderingham, who next?

sally2 wrote:

Synthesizer Jones wrote: We won't have any players left at this rate. Foderingham has been excellent since he joined; the best keeper we've had since Fraser Digby. He's got nothing to apologise for and shouldn't have to put up with being insulted byDi Canio in the press. If anyone should be apologising, it should be the manager who is more than happy to claim the adulation for victory but quick to point the finger of blame for failure. Caddis, Foderingham, who next?

lets hope its Diacanio, he is too hot headed to be a manager. Did he ever apologise for his antics as aplayer?Yes he got Swindon out of what is the fourth division.That was not that great achievment considering the help the board gave him. He bought some rubbish players early on, and let some good players go.Letting Caddis go was a big mistake and the way he did it in front of all the players, he left him no way back .Did he expect him to crawl as he expects Fordingham to do.I like Dicanio's passion but thats all.I have supported Town since 1950,I have seen good and bad managers but never one such a dictator who thinks he is god.

chalkswindon wrote:
Just to pick up on one point there OTR I couldnt agree more, like I said in another post I dont get to watch town often as I live in Blackpool and simply cant afford it.

However I was stunned when we were 3-1 to see every player back for a Preston corner, the result we clear it and it just comes back again and again.

dreamofacleansheet2 wrote:
Can I just re confirm having seen PDC's interview on Sky he was totally CALM. Not a rant at all. Whether its right or not debate away but for those who haven't seen it please don't make it up.

London Red wrote:
Not going to say too much on this as we saw 100 posts within minutes of it happenning by people unaware of what was happening and conitnuing this morning with over 50 posts before 9am - so don't really need mine too However I will say - Thank god for Jam1 - I thought for a minute there was not one single person on here who could actually read! . Everyone has slated PdC for subbing Wes "over a mistake" when it clearly says in the above article that was not the case! . I was no Phil Smith fan - but when ever he made a mistake he would always hold his hands up and never rant at the rest of the team over it - That is the main point here!!!!!!!! . Den - your point about competition is picked up by PdC so I think he has accepted responsibility on that part and I now fuly expect a loan keeper to arrive when the loan window re-opens next week . I also noted that part from a poster (who was actually there!) about the quick release and again PdC comments on this and says he was telling Wes to calm down and hold it more - but this appears to have been ignored and was putting us under more pressure - it appears to me that the blaming others and ignoring instructions was what saw him hauled off - which is no different to what others have had done . I do hope Wes realises that his career can really take off here and that he comes out and says sorry and we all move on! . Drinkgate shows it can happen as Macca is now captain and McEveley signed on post it

Stilloyal wrote:
Some Town fans are so fickle ! Over the last couple of weeks we've heard / seen that the manager is always right, "Paolo does what he wants" etc.
But now that it is the "untouchable Sir Wes" Suddenly the manager is wrong.

My personal view is that the Caddis affair could / should have been handled better and the player should still be with us.
As for Fodders he's a decent keeper and better than some we've had but no better than Smith. Smith had weaknesses and so does Fodders. The reason for Fodders success is the fantastic defence in front of him. In his own words he's admitted that he's had nothing to do in most games. I'm not knocking the keeper but I'm not going to big him up either, he was just another cog in a good team.
It does seem that we've seen the last of Fodders which is a shame but it's not the end of the world (yet!).
The manager and some fans said that the player had a poor game at Stoke and this begs a couple of questions. (1) Did the manager discuss this with the player? (2) Why did the manager play someone he thought was so arrogant ?
Truth is no one is untouchable and that goes for the manager also. I know (without naming names ) there are arrogant players in our squad , the manager is also arrogant and what he can create he can also destroy.
Personally I am getting fed up with the managers tantrums and I believe many others are also. Trust me if we get a few dodgy results then fans will start calling for the managers head.
No one is infallable, Di Canio needs to keeps discussions within the dressing room, he needs to learn man manager skills and he needs to get anger management treatment.
Di Canio is a good tactician and coach, he is also meticulous in his planning and preparstion but he's far from the finished article.
Come on Paolo sort this and yourself out.
Bedwell plays at Oxford !

Stilloyal wrote:
I think that if people think Di Canio will be successful at a big club then they should think again .
There won't be too many chairmen clamouring for his services after all his public outbursts. Neither will there be too many millionaire players wanting to put up with his antics.
These premiership and some championship players can go anywhere in Europe for an easier life, they won't tollerate an apparant arrogant bully.
Best pull your finger out Paolo and stick with us.

madterrier wrote:
J-Ray has to step in on this, and quick. Players make mistakes, but as someone said, we will have no players left at this rate.

The manager is in charge, but when he starts insulting players in public like this, he has to be reined in. There are ways of dealing with things, and this is not the way.

As a club we have playing assets. Caddis and Fodders are two of the most valuable. Paolo is in danger of damaging the club's finances massively and the board cannot just stand by and ignore that.

madterrier wrote:
J-Ray has to step in on this, and quick. Players make mistakes, but as someone said, we will have no players left at this rate. The manager is in charge, but when he starts insulting players in public like this, he has to be reined in. There are ways of dealing with things, and this is not the way. As a club we have playing assets. Caddis and Fodders are two of the most valuable. Paolo is in danger of damaging the club's finances massively and the board cannot just stand by and ignore that.

Stilloyal wrote:

dreamofacleansheet2 wrote:
Can I just re confirm having seen PDC's interview on Sky he was totally CALM. Not a rant at all. Whether its right or not debate away but for those who haven't seen it please don't make it up.

I don't know if they showed the whole interview on Sky dreams, but he certainly was ranting and swearing (the F word)on the BBC Wilts interview

aussieg wrote:

madterrier wrote: J-Ray has to step in on this, and quick. Players make mistakes, but as someone said, we will have no players left at this rate. The manager is in charge, but when he starts insulting players in public like this, he has to be reined in. There are ways of dealing with things, and this is not the way. As a club we have playing assets. Caddis and Fodders are two of the most valuable. Paolo is in danger of damaging the club's finances massively and the board cannot just stand by and ignore that.

Well said

Stilloyal wrote:
Wes is a giant compared to our keeper of the 60s. We had a bloke called Tony Hicks only 5.6 or 5.7 but a bl00dy decent keeper who coald fly horizontally from one post to the other.
Any other old timers remember him ? He was a milkman last time I saw him and his son Terry was a midfielder in my team.

Jovial wrote:
“ Di Canio went raw on his young goalkeeper. Hope the young lad is strong enough to come through this...harsh start to League One football ” Manchester United defender Rio Ferdinand on Twitter

Psychedelic Syd wrote:

Stilloyal wrote:
Wes is a giant compared to our keeper of the 60s. We had a bloke called Tony Hicks only 5.6 or 5.7 but a bl00dy decent keeper who coald fly horizontally from one post to the other.
Any other old timers remember him ? He was a milkman last time I saw him and his son Terry was a midfielder in my team.

I remember Tony Hicks Stilloyal - he was amazing in the cup match away at West Ham when we drew 3-3 in the mid/late 60's, all of us were chanting his name. It didn't look possible that he could be good when he was so small but he played a blinder that day.

66taff wrote:
'sir wes' blah blah blah 'best keeper outside the premier league' blah blah blah 'irreplaceable' blah blah blah 'clean sheet record' blah blah blah.

And the league 2 goalkeeper of the season 2011 / 12 is....

YateleyRed wrote:

Jovial wrote:
“ Di Canio went raw on his young goalkeeper. Hope the young lad is strong enough to come through this...harsh start to League One football ” Manchester United defender Rio Ferdinand on Twitter

And he is qualified to comment on the situation because:

He was there? No
He knows the people involved? No

He has a high opinion of himself? Mmmm

Jovial wrote:
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Di Canio went raw on his young goalkeeper. Hope the young lad is strong enough to come through this...harsh start to League One football
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Manchester United defender Rio Ferdinand on Twitter

YateleyRed wrote:

Jovial wrote:
“ Di Canio went raw on his young goalkeeper. Hope the young lad is strong enough to come through this...harsh start to League One football ” Manchester United defender Rio Ferdinand on Twitter

And he is qualified to comment on the situation because:

He was there? No
He knows the people involved? No

He has a high opinion of himself? Mmmm

themoonraker wrote:
Lots of people on here defending PDC and questioning WF, bur nobody so far has mentioned his public humiliation of Jay Mac. I wonder how he reacted to his manager stating quite publically that he would 'definately not be playing against Oxford'? Is he injured and not available because of this, or is PDC publically naming and shaming another players professinalism or skill level? No one is bigger than STFC and that must include the manager, IMO Jeremy Wray must make that very clear to both players and manager, before the dressing room implodes and our season starts to fall apart. There are surely faults on both sides and the chairman need to sort this out now, before it festers on to the point of no return.

Oi Den! wrote:

avo wrote:

Oi Den! wrote: So now we are hearing all about Foderingham's weaknesses. Where were all these comments before yesterday?

Hardly. A few people airing their observations from games so far. Is there a problem with that Den? . Do you have any on Wes's performances so far, we normally agree on players, so surely you must have noticed that he looks a bit uncertain when coming to punch? . His approach to commanding his area last season was far more reserved and I actually thought he looked a better keeper for it. I don't know of course, if this sudden charge of the light brigade approach in his box is something of his own doing or whether in fact he is being encouraged to do so by the coaching staff.

Avo, yes, I agree that his punching has been a little suspect. I think it was only last week that I said so on here. But that doesn't stop me from thinking his overall game is excellent. My point is that we seem to have quite a few people now telling us about his weaknesses when they haven't mentioned them before. But I gladly apologise if I have got that wrong.

Since 1950 wrote:
In the first instance Paolo is right. Wes was having a mare (no, I wasn't there either, but as reported by BBC Wilts via stfc player) so why shouldn't he be subbed for both his form and attitude? Maybe he shouldn't have started. You can judge for yourselves if the 'keepers reaction was 'professional'.
However, there is a worrying trend developing with Paolo's attitude to players who transgress his rules for one second or challenge him in any way. There is no second chance - Paolo's way or the highway. A la Caddis. He doesn't seem to be capable of taking players aside and sorting problems out. At least we haven't seen any evidence of it. Paolo's solution is 'get out of the club'. I agree with those who say this can't be allowed to continue. I am sure that Mr Wray, though a quite and reasonable man in his comments to the media, will have had enough and will have a chat. He should also tell him that while fans like his open and honest post match interviews, he should resist giving his players a public b********g.
Lou had the same sort of problem when he left us for West Ham. He ruled with a rod of iron here. He tried the same at Hammers and got kicked out, basically by the players in the end who revolted against his managerial style. That is why Paolo wont be going far from Swindon any time soon.
Love him or hate him (and I'm still a fan of his) there is never a dull moment!

COYR!

jam1 wrote:

themoonraker wrote:
Lots of people on here defending PDC and questioning WF, bur nobody so far has mentioned his public humiliation of Jay Mac. I wonder how he reacted to his manager stating quite publically that he would 'definately not be playing against Oxford'? Is he injured and not available because of this, or is PDC publically naming and shaming another players professinalism or skill level? No one is bigger than STFC and that must include the manager, IMO Jeremy Wray must make that very clear to both players and manager, before the dressing room implodes and our season starts to fall apart. There are surely faults on both sides and the chairman need to sort this out now, before it festers on to the point of no return.

He just said he wouldn't be playing against Oxford. Jay has been shocking this season. No where near the level he should be playing at.

Malkym wrote:

Psychedelic Syd wrote:

Stilloyal wrote:
Wes is a giant compared to our keeper of the 60s. We had a bloke called Tony Hicks only 5.6 or 5.7 but a bl00dy decent keeper who coald fly horizontally from one post to the other.
Any other old timers remember him ? He was a milkman last time I saw him and his son Terry was a midfielder in my team.

I remember Tony Hicks Stilloyal - he was amazing in the cup match away at West Ham when we drew 3-3 in the mid/late 60's, all of us were chanting his name. It didn't look possible that he could be good when he was so small but he played a blinder that day.

Lol I remember hicks too never came across to me as flying across the goal but certainly not the worst keeper ever to wear a Town shirt..

London Red wrote:
There are 2 things what annoy me a lot on here
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1 – The demand for information - which when provided is followed up with “why air it in public” – this happened with Aldershot away, Caddis and to a certain extent Wes!
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The phrase you can’t have your cake and eat springs to mind
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Either we want a closed shop and therefore need to stop demanding information and then speculating to the extreme in its absence – or we accept that PdC will give us an explanation – granted sometimes delivered in too much of a rant – but still with the real reason within it (if people are prepared to either listen or read)
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Maybe the solution is he simply needs to do a “Hartlepool” more often and not speak until Monday when he has had a chance to cool down and then can deliver the exact same message in a calm and rational manner so the hoo-hah that follows isn’t there – the Sky interview seems another example of this
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2 – The fickleness of posters – I’ve said it before and I know Hertz and a few others have now hinted at it – that depending on who the player is determines the reaction of the responses
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I was away on Sun so was not following the game yet when I logged on later I was shocked at how many posting there were within minutes of the subbing by people not there - As PdC says too many seem to have their opinion without even 1% of the facts!
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You then read the comments by the posters there and it seemed to suggest subbing him was right as he was having a mare!
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No one seems prepared to actually wait to hear what was happening or why – particually as it was Wes
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This has continued today with posters still slating PdC for “not allowing a single mistake” – which is completely untrue and the not real reason for the subbing – that is in black and white in this very article if people could be bothered to actually read it first!!!!!!
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As I have said and a few others have hinted at had an unpopular player like Risser turned up unfit, missed days off, started blaming others for his mistakes and then reacted like Wes did after being subbed – the witch hunt would have been directed squarely at him!
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People need to make up their mind as to what they think is right or wrong and not flip depending on who the player is!
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The McEverely comments above back this up – hardly any post or article over that – yet is basically the same issue!!!!!!!!!
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Now that doesn’t mean it has to be black or white and only PdC or the player is right – but it shouldn’t as pointed out above draw 100s of posts purely as it was Wes and not say Luke Rooney getting hauled off!
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Connell and Kerrouche had this last year – we saw the reaction of those – 1 was praised and played a major role – one was punished with a spell at the Pox!
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Also they attracted far less comments as not Wes or Caddis!!!
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In both situations PdC has shown errors of judgement and this will need improving for his own career – but in both incidents the player in question is clealry at fault and needs to take the appropriate action to address that
.
A simple press release from Wes saying he is sorry for his recent behavoiur and he will work extra hard with Domenico Doardo to return to his best form will end this matter
.
As said before we saw this with Drinkgate and those players are fine – Macca is now Captain – so that will see Wes on the right path!

35yrRED wrote:

London Red wrote: There are 2 things what annoy me a lot on here . 1 – The demand for information - which when provided is followed up with “why air it in public” – this happened with Aldershot away, Caddis and to a certain extent Wes! . The phrase you can’t have your cake and eat springs to mind . Either we want a closed shop and therefore need to stop demanding information and then speculating to the extreme in its absence – or we accept that PdC will give us an explanation – granted sometimes delivered in too much of a rant – but still with the real reason within it (if people are prepared to either listen or read) . Maybe the solution is he simply needs to do a “Hartlepool” more often and not speak until Monday when he has had a chance to cool down and then can deliver the exact same message in a calm and rational manner so the hoo-hah that follows isn’t there – the Sky interview seems another example of this . 2 – The fickleness of posters – I’ve said it before and I know Hertz and a few others have now hinted at it – that depending on who the player is determines the reaction of the responses . I was away on Sun so was not following the game yet when I logged on later I was shocked at how many posting there were within minutes of the subbing by people not there - As PdC says too many seem to have their opinion without even 1% of the facts! . You then read the comments by the posters there and it seemed to suggest subbing him was right as he was having a mare! . No one seems prepared to actually wait to hear what was happening or why – particually as it was Wes . This has continued today with posters still slating PdC for “not allowing a single mistake” – which is completely untrue and the not real reason for the subbing – that is in black and white in this very article if people could be bothered to actually read it first!!!!!! . As I have said and a few others have hinted at had an unpopular player like Risser turned up unfit, missed days off, started blaming others for his mistakes and then reacted like Wes did after being subbed – the witch hunt would have been directed squarely at him! . People need to make up their mind as to what they think is right or wrong and not flip depending on who the player is! . The McEverely comments above back this up – hardly any post or article over that – yet is basically the same issue!!!!!!!!! . Now that doesn’t mean it has to be black or white and only PdC or the player is right – but it shouldn’t as pointed out above draw 100s of posts purely as it was Wes and not say Luke Rooney getting hauled off! . Connell and Kerrouche had this last year – we saw the reaction of those – 1 was praised and played a major role – one was punished with a spell at the Pox! . Also they attracted far less comments as not Wes or Caddis!!! . In both situations PdC has shown errors of judgement and this will need improving for his own career – but in both incidents the player in question is clealry at fault and needs to take the appropriate action to address that . A simple press release from Wes saying he is sorry for his recent behavoiur and he will work extra hard with Domenico Doardo to return to his best form will end this matter . As said before we saw this with Drinkgate and those players are fine – Macca is now Captain – so that will see Wes on the right path!

Excellent post!!!

themoonraker wrote:

jam1 wrote:

themoonraker wrote:
Lots of people on here defending PDC and questioning WF, bur nobody so far has mentioned his public humiliation of Jay Mac. I wonder how he reacted to his manager stating quite publically that he would 'definately not be playing against Oxford'? Is he injured and not available because of this, or is PDC publically naming and shaming another players professinalism or skill level? No one is bigger than STFC and that must include the manager, IMO Jeremy Wray must make that very clear to both players and manager, before the dressing room implodes and our season starts to fall apart. There are surely faults on both sides and the chairman need to sort this out now, before it festers on to the point of no return.

He just said he wouldn't be playing against Oxford. Jay has been shocking this season. No where near the level he should be playing at.

.....So why single him out when he was rubbishing the performance of the majority of the team and saying that he was going to make multiple changes for the Oxford game?
I love and support STFC, not PDCFC or WFFC (as examples)....I'm afaid it sounded, to me, like a personal attack on JayMac, and that should not be done publically.(imo)

35yrRED wrote:

themoonraker wrote:

jam1 wrote:

themoonraker wrote: Lots of people on here defending PDC and questioning WF, bur nobody so far has mentioned his public humiliation of Jay Mac. I wonder how he reacted to his manager stating quite publically that he would 'definately not be playing against Oxford'? Is he injured and not available because of this, or is PDC publically naming and shaming another players professinalism or skill level? No one is bigger than STFC and that must include the manager, IMO Jeremy Wray must make that very clear to both players and manager, before the dressing room implodes and our season starts to fall apart. There are surely faults on both sides and the chairman need to sort this out now, before it festers on to the point of no return.

He just said he wouldn't be playing against Oxford. Jay has been shocking this season. No where near the level he should be playing at.

.....So why single him out when he was rubbishing the performance of the majority of the team and saying that he was going to make multiple changes for the Oxford game? I love and support STFC, not PDCFC or WFFC (as examples)....I'm afaid it sounded, to me, like a personal attack on JayMac, and that should not be done publically.(imo)

PDC did not just stop at Jay...he used him as an example before adding that it was a shame he could only change 5 of them for the match against Oxford otherwise he would have "CHANGED ALL OF THEM"......Now if he would have went through each and every player critisising them and saying they played very badly (Which they did) instead of stopping himself after Jay and collectivley blaming the team I'm sure you would have been on here saying "Why did he go through them one by one and tear them apart??? he should have just said the whole team"......yes in the heat of that disapointment he mentioned a name...but stessed that ALL of them played badly not just Jay.

London Red wrote:
There are 2 things what annoy me a lot on here
.
1 – The demand for information - which when provided is followed up with “why air it in public” – this happened with Aldershot away, Caddis and to a certain extent Wes!
.
The phrase you can’t have your cake and eat springs to mind
.
Either we want a closed shop and therefore need to stop demanding information and then speculating to the extreme in its absence – or we accept that PdC will give us an explanation – granted sometimes delivered in too much of a rant – but still with the real reason within it (if people are prepared to either listen or read)
.
Maybe the solution is he simply needs to do a “Hartlepool” more often and not speak until Monday when he has had a chance to cool down and then can deliver the exact same message in a calm and rational manner so the hoo-hah that follows isn’t there – the Sky interview seems another example of this
.
2 – The fickleness of posters – I’ve said it before and I know Hertz and a few others have now hinted at it – that depending on who the player is determines the reaction of the responses
.
I was away on Sun so was not following the game yet when I logged on later I was shocked at how many posting there were within minutes of the subbing by people not there - As PdC says too many seem to have their opinion without even 1% of the facts!
.
You then read the comments by the posters there and it seemed to suggest subbing him was right as he was having a mare!
.
No one seems prepared to actually wait to hear what was happening or why – particually as it was Wes
.
This has continued today with posters still slating PdC for “not allowing a single mistake” – which is completely untrue and the not real reason for the subbing – that is in black and white in this very article if people could be bothered to actually read it first!!!!!!
.
As I have said and a few others have hinted at had an unpopular player like Risser turned up unfit, missed days off, started blaming others for his mistakes and then reacted like Wes did after being subbed – the witch hunt would have been directed squarely at him!
.
People need to make up their mind as to what they think is right or wrong and not flip depending on who the player is!
.
The McEverely comments above back this up – hardly any post or article over that – yet is basically the same issue!!!!!!!!!
.
Now that doesn’t mean it has to be black or white and only PdC or the player is right – but it shouldn’t as pointed out above draw 100s of posts purely as it was Wes and not say Luke Rooney getting hauled off!
.
Connell and Kerrouche had this last year – we saw the reaction of those – 1 was praised and played a major role – one was punished with a spell at the Pox!
.
Also they attracted far less comments as not Wes or Caddis!!!
.
In both situations PdC has shown errors of judgement and this will need improving for his own career – but in both incidents the player in question is clealry at fault and needs to take the appropriate action to address that
.
A simple press release from Wes saying he is sorry for his recent behavoiur and he will work extra hard with Domenico Doardo to return to his best form will end this matter
.
As said before we saw this with Drinkgate and those players are fine – Macca is now Captain – so that will see Wes on the right path!

jam1 wrote:

themoonraker wrote: Lots of people on here defending PDC and questioning WF, bur nobody so far has mentioned his public humiliation of Jay Mac. I wonder how he reacted to his manager stating quite publically that he would 'definately not be playing against Oxford'? Is he injured and not available because of this, or is PDC publically naming and shaming another players professinalism or skill level? No one is bigger than STFC and that must include the manager, IMO Jeremy Wray must make that very clear to both players and manager, before the dressing room implodes and our season starts to fall apart. There are surely faults on both sides and the chairman need to sort this out now, before it festers on to the point of no return.

He just said he wouldn't be playing against Oxford. Jay has been shocking this season. No where near the level he should be playing at.

jam1 wrote:

35yrRED wrote:

London Red wrote: There are 2 things what annoy me a lot on here . 1 – The demand for information - which when provided is followed up with “why air it in public” – this happened with Aldershot away, Caddis and to a certain extent Wes! . The phrase you can’t have your cake and eat springs to mind . Either we want a closed shop and therefore need to stop demanding information and then speculating to the extreme in its absence – or we accept that PdC will give us an explanation – granted sometimes delivered in too much of a rant – but still with the real reason within it (if people are prepared to either listen or read) . Maybe the solution is he simply needs to do a “Hartlepool” more often and not speak until Monday when he has had a chance to cool down and then can deliver the exact same message in a calm and rational manner so the hoo-hah that follows isn’t there – the Sky interview seems another example of this . 2 – The fickleness of posters – I’ve said it before and I know Hertz and a few others have now hinted at it – that depending on who the player is determines the reaction of the responses . I was away on Sun so was not following the game yet when I logged on later I was shocked at how many posting there were within minutes of the subbing by people not there - As PdC says too many seem to have their opinion without even 1% of the facts! . You then read the comments by the posters there and it seemed to suggest subbing him was right as he was having a mare! . No one seems prepared to actually wait to hear what was happening or why – particually as it was Wes . This has continued today with posters still slating PdC for “not allowing a single mistake” – which is completely untrue and the not real reason for the subbing – that is in black and white in this very article if people could be bothered to actually read it first!!!!!! . As I have said and a few others have hinted at had an unpopular player like Risser turned up unfit, missed days off, started blaming others for his mistakes and then reacted like Wes did after being subbed – the witch hunt would have been directed squarely at him! . People need to make up their mind as to what they think is right or wrong and not flip depending on who the player is! . The McEverely comments above back this up – hardly any post or article over that – yet is basically the same issue!!!!!!!!! . Now that doesn’t mean it has to be black or white and only PdC or the player is right – but it shouldn’t as pointed out above draw 100s of posts purely as it was Wes and not say Luke Rooney getting hauled off! . Connell and Kerrouche had this last year – we saw the reaction of those – 1 was praised and played a major role – one was punished with a spell at the Pox! . Also they attracted far less comments as not Wes or Caddis!!! . In both situations PdC has shown errors of judgement and this will need improving for his own career – but in both incidents the player in question is clealry at fault and needs to take the appropriate action to address that . A simple press release from Wes saying he is sorry for his recent behavoiur and he will work extra hard with Domenico Doardo to return to his best form will end this matter . As said before we saw this with Drinkgate and those players are fine – Macca is now Captain – so that will see Wes on the right path!

Excellent post!!!

A man who talks sense. I think the problem is some just write without really thinking and others just like to jump on the anti paolo bandwagon when they can latch on to something negative.

Oi Den! wrote:

jam1 wrote:

35yrRED wrote:

London Red wrote: There are 2 things what annoy me a lot on here . 1 – The demand for information - which when provided is followed up with “why air it in public” – this happened with Aldershot away, Caddis and to a certain extent Wes! . The phrase you can’t have your cake and eat springs to mind . Either we want a closed shop and therefore need to stop demanding information and then speculating to the extreme in its absence – or we accept that PdC will give us an explanation – granted sometimes delivered in too much of a rant – but still with the real reason within it (if people are prepared to either listen or read) . Maybe the solution is he simply needs to do a “Hartlepool” more often and not speak until Monday when he has had a chance to cool down and then can deliver the exact same message in a calm and rational manner so the hoo-hah that follows isn’t there – the Sky interview seems another example of this . 2 – The fickleness of posters – I’ve said it before and I know Hertz and a few others have now hinted at it – that depending on who the player is determines the reaction of the responses . I was away on Sun so was not following the game yet when I logged on later I was shocked at how many posting there were within minutes of the subbing by people not there - As PdC says too many seem to have their opinion without even 1% of the facts! . You then read the comments by the posters there and it seemed to suggest subbing him was right as he was having a mare! . No one seems prepared to actually wait to hear what was happening or why – particually as it was Wes . This has continued today with posters still slating PdC for “not allowing a single mistake” – which is completely untrue and the not real reason for the subbing – that is in black and white in this very article if people could be bothered to actually read it first!!!!!! . As I have said and a few others have hinted at had an unpopular player like Risser turned up unfit, missed days off, started blaming others for his mistakes and then reacted like Wes did after being subbed – the witch hunt would have been directed squarely at him! . People need to make up their mind as to what they think is right or wrong and not flip depending on who the player is! . The McEverely comments above back this up – hardly any post or article over that – yet is basically the same issue!!!!!!!!! . Now that doesn’t mean it has to be black or white and only PdC or the player is right – but it shouldn’t as pointed out above draw 100s of posts purely as it was Wes and not say Luke Rooney getting hauled off! . Connell and Kerrouche had this last year – we saw the reaction of those – 1 was praised and played a major role – one was punished with a spell at the Pox! . Also they attracted far less comments as not Wes or Caddis!!! . In both situations PdC has shown errors of judgement and this will need improving for his own career – but in both incidents the player in question is clealry at fault and needs to take the appropriate action to address that . A simple press release from Wes saying he is sorry for his recent behavoiur and he will work extra hard with Domenico Doardo to return to his best form will end this matter . As said before we saw this with Drinkgate and those players are fine – Macca is now Captain – so that will see Wes on the right path!

Excellent post!!!

A man who talks sense. I think the problem is some just write without really thinking and others just like to jump on the anti paolo bandwagon when they can latch on to something negative.

And there are those who jump on the pro-PDC bandwagon and defend everything he says or does. It's not about being pro-Di Canio or pro-Foderingham; it's about being pro-Swindon. I want both men to be part of the future of Swindon Town. But it cannot be denied that there have been too many of these fall-outs, nor that PDC is the common denominator, and I am convinced he has to find a better way of handling players.

Synthesizer Jones wrote:
We won't have any players left at this rate. Foderingham has been excellent since he joined; the best keeper we've had since Fraser Digby. He's got nothing to apologise for and shouldn't have to put up with being insulted byDi Canio in the press. If anyone should be apologising, it should be the manager who is more than happy to claim the adulation for victory but quick to point the finger of blame for failure. Caddis, Foderingham, who next?

hertz wrote:
So Jeremy Wray took a tour of the stadium up at Preston and he wants to model STFC on the Preston ground , what did the travelling fans think of th ground ? COYR

London Red wrote:
There are 2 things what annoy me a lot on here
.
1 – The demand for information - which when provided is followed up with “why air it in public” – this happened with Aldershot away, Caddis and to a certain extent Wes!
.
The phrase you can’t have your cake and eat springs to mind
.
Either we want a closed shop and therefore need to stop demanding information and then speculating to the extreme in its absence – or we accept that PdC will give us an explanation – granted sometimes delivered in too much of a rant – but still with the real reason within it (if people are prepared to either listen or read)
.
Maybe the solution is he simply needs to do a “Hartlepool” more often and not speak until Monday when he has had a chance to cool down and then can deliver the exact same message in a calm and rational manner so the hoo-hah that follows isn’t there – the Sky interview seems another example of this
.
2 – The fickleness of posters – I’ve said it before and I know Hertz and a few others have now hinted at it – that depending on who the player is determines the reaction of the responses
.
I was away on Sun so was not following the game yet when I logged on later I was shocked at how many posting there were within minutes of the subbing by people not there - As PdC says too many seem to have their opinion without even 1% of the facts!
.
You then read the comments by the posters there and it seemed to suggest subbing him was right as he was having a mare!
.
No one seems prepared to actually wait to hear what was happening or why – particually as it was Wes
.
This has continued today with posters still slating PdC for “not allowing a single mistake” – which is completely untrue and the not real reason for the subbing – that is in black and white in this very article if people could be bothered to actually read it first!!!!!!
.
As I have said and a few others have hinted at had an unpopular player like Risser turned up unfit, missed days off, started blaming others for his mistakes and then reacted like Wes did after being subbed – the witch hunt would have been directed squarely at him!
.
People need to make up their mind as to what they think is right or wrong and not flip depending on who the player is!
.
The McEverely comments above back this up – hardly any post or article over that – yet is basically the same issue!!!!!!!!!
.
Now that doesn’t mean it has to be black or white and only PdC or the player is right – but it shouldn’t as pointed out above draw 100s of posts purely as it was Wes and not say Luke Rooney getting hauled off!
.
Connell and Kerrouche had this last year – we saw the reaction of those – 1 was praised and played a major role – one was punished with a spell at the Pox!
.
Also they attracted far less comments as not Wes or Caddis!!!
.
In both situations PdC has shown errors of judgement and this will need improving for his own career – but in both incidents the player in question is clealry at fault and needs to take the appropriate action to address that
.
A simple press release from Wes saying he is sorry for his recent behavoiur and he will work extra hard with Domenico Doardo to return to his best form will end this matter
.
As said before we saw this with Drinkgate and those players are fine – Macca is now Captain – so that will see Wes on the right path!

The-Swindon-Man wrote:
Di Canio, you're the one who needs to come out and apologies not only to Wes, but to me and the other fans who drove all the way up to Preston yesterday.

Wes does NOT need to say sorry.

Di Canio's actions yesterday - I haven't felt so embarrassed to be a Swindon fan.

We have one of the best keepers outside the premier league here. Why spoil it?

Di Canio falls out with players and blames the player for being a fool and having a bad attitude etc (I'll use as Caddis an example). I always backed Di Canio, but after yesterday, I'm starting to think twice.

I can see Di Canio losing the dressing room soon (sorry but that's just my opinion)

Rant over...

The-Swindon-Man wrote:
Di Canio, you're the one who needs to come out and apologies not only to Wes, but to me and the other fans who drove all the way up to Preston yesterday.

Wes does NOT need to say sorry.

Di Canio's actions yesterday - I haven't felt so embarrassed to be a Swindon fan.

We have one of the best keepers outside the premier league here. Why spoil it?

Di Canio falls out with players and blames the player for being a fool and having a bad attitude etc (I'll use as Caddis an example). I always backed Di Canio, but after yesterday, I'm starting to think twice.

I can see Di Canio losing the dressing room soon (sorry but that's just my opinion)

Rant over...

swwindon61uk wrote:

London Red wrote:
There are 2 things what annoy me a lot on here
.
1 – The demand for information - which when provided is followed up with “why air it in public” – this happened with Aldershot away, Caddis and to a certain extent Wes!
.
The phrase you can’t have your cake and eat springs to mind
.
Either we want a closed shop and therefore need to stop demanding information and then speculating to the extreme in its absence – or we accept that PdC will give us an explanation – granted sometimes delivered in too much of a rant – but still with the real reason within it (if people are prepared to either listen or read)
.
Maybe the solution is he simply needs to do a “Hartlepool” more often and not speak until Monday when he has had a chance to cool down and then can deliver the exact same message in a calm and rational manner so the hoo-hah that follows isn’t there – the Sky interview seems another example of this
.
2 – The fickleness of posters – I’ve said it before and I know Hertz and a few others have now hinted at it – that depending on who the player is determines the reaction of the responses
.
I was away on Sun so was not following the game yet when I logged on later I was shocked at how many posting there were within minutes of the subbing by people not there - As PdC says too many seem to have their opinion without even 1% of the facts!
.
You then read the comments by the posters there and it seemed to suggest subbing him was right as he was having a mare!
.
No one seems prepared to actually wait to hear what was happening or why – particually as it was Wes
.
This has continued today with posters still slating PdC for “not allowing a single mistake” – which is completely untrue and the not real reason for the subbing – that is in black and white in this very article if people could be bothered to actually read it first!!!!!!
.
As I have said and a few others have hinted at had an unpopular player like Risser turned up unfit, missed days off, started blaming others for his mistakes and then reacted like Wes did after being subbed – the witch hunt would have been directed squarely at him!
.
People need to make up their mind as to what they think is right or wrong and not flip depending on who the player is!
.
The McEverely comments above back this up – hardly any post or article over that – yet is basically the same issue!!!!!!!!!
.
Now that doesn’t mean it has to be black or white and only PdC or the player is right – but it shouldn’t as pointed out above draw 100s of posts purely as it was Wes and not say Luke Rooney getting hauled off!
.
Connell and Kerrouche had this last year – we saw the reaction of those – 1 was praised and played a major role – one was punished with a spell at the Pox!
.
Also they attracted far less comments as not Wes or Caddis!!!
.
In both situations PdC has shown errors of judgement and this will need improving for his own career – but in both incidents the player in question is clealry at fault and needs to take the appropriate action to address that
.
A simple press release from Wes saying he is sorry for his recent behavoiur and he will work extra hard with Domenico Doardo to return to his best form will end this matter
.
As said before we saw this with Drinkgate and those players are fine – Macca is now Captain – so that will see Wes on the right path!

London i think you are guilty of point 2 just as much as anyone else,just like we all are at times i guess.
A public apology is needed!

Oi Den! wrote:

jam1 wrote:

35yrRED wrote:

London Red wrote: There are 2 things what annoy me a lot on here . 1 – The demand for information - which when provided is followed up with “why air it in public” – this happened with Aldershot away, Caddis and to a certain extent Wes! . The phrase you can’t have your cake and eat springs to mind . Either we want a closed shop and therefore need to stop demanding information and then speculating to the extreme in its absence – or we accept that PdC will give us an explanation – granted sometimes delivered in too much of a rant – but still with the real reason within it (if people are prepared to either listen or read) . Maybe the solution is he simply needs to do a “Hartlepool” more often and not speak until Monday when he has had a chance to cool down and then can deliver the exact same message in a calm and rational manner so the hoo-hah that follows isn’t there – the Sky interview seems another example of this . 2 – The fickleness of posters – I’ve said it before and I know Hertz and a few others have now hinted at it – that depending on who the player is determines the reaction of the responses . I was away on Sun so was not following the game yet when I logged on later I was shocked at how many posting there were within minutes of the subbing by people not there - As PdC says too many seem to have their opinion without even 1% of the facts! . You then read the comments by the posters there and it seemed to suggest subbing him was right as he was having a mare! . No one seems prepared to actually wait to hear what was happening or why – particually as it was Wes . This has continued today with posters still slating PdC for “not allowing a single mistake” – which is completely untrue and the not real reason for the subbing – that is in black and white in this very article if people could be bothered to actually read it first!!!!!! . As I have said and a few others have hinted at had an unpopular player like Risser turned up unfit, missed days off, started blaming others for his mistakes and then reacted like Wes did after being subbed – the witch hunt would have been directed squarely at him! . People need to make up their mind as to what they think is right or wrong and not flip depending on who the player is! . The McEverely comments above back this up – hardly any post or article over that – yet is basically the same issue!!!!!!!!! . Now that doesn’t mean it has to be black or white and only PdC or the player is right – but it shouldn’t as pointed out above draw 100s of posts purely as it was Wes and not say Luke Rooney getting hauled off! . Connell and Kerrouche had this last year – we saw the reaction of those – 1 was praised and played a major role – one was punished with a spell at the Pox! . Also they attracted far less comments as not Wes or Caddis!!! . In both situations PdC has shown errors of judgement and this will need improving for his own career – but in both incidents the player in question is clealry at fault and needs to take the appropriate action to address that . A simple press release from Wes saying he is sorry for his recent behavoiur and he will work extra hard with Domenico Doardo to return to his best form will end this matter . As said before we saw this with Drinkgate and those players are fine – Macca is now Captain – so that will see Wes on the right path!

Excellent post!!!

A man who talks sense. I think the problem is some just write without really thinking and others just like to jump on the anti paolo bandwagon when they can latch on to something negative.

And there are those who jump on the pro-PDC bandwagon and defend everything he says or does. It's not about being pro-Di Canio or pro-Foderingham; it's about being pro-Swindon. I want both men to be part of the future of Swindon Town. But it cannot be denied that there have been too many of these fall-outs, nor that PDC is the common denominator, and I am convinced he has to find a better way of handling players.

the don69 wrote:

swwindon61uk wrote:

London Red wrote:
There are 2 things what annoy me a lot on here
.
1 – The demand for information - which when provided is followed up with “why air it in public” – this happened with Aldershot away, Caddis and to a certain extent Wes!
.
The phrase you can’t have your cake and eat springs to mind
.
Either we want a closed shop and therefore need to stop demanding information and then speculating to the extreme in its absence – or we accept that PdC will give us an explanation – granted sometimes delivered in too much of a rant – but still with the real reason within it (if people are prepared to either listen or read)
.
Maybe the solution is he simply needs to do a “Hartlepool” more often and not speak until Monday when he has had a chance to cool down and then can deliver the exact same message in a calm and rational manner so the hoo-hah that follows isn’t there – the Sky interview seems another example of this
.
2 – The fickleness of posters – I’ve said it before and I know Hertz and a few others have now hinted at it – that depending on who the player is determines the reaction of the responses
.
I was away on Sun so was not following the game yet when I logged on later I was shocked at how many posting there were within minutes of the subbing by people not there - As PdC says too many seem to have their opinion without even 1% of the facts!
.
You then read the comments by the posters there and it seemed to suggest subbing him was right as he was having a mare!
.
No one seems prepared to actually wait to hear what was happening or why – particually as it was Wes
.
This has continued today with posters still slating PdC for “not allowing a single mistake” – which is completely untrue and the not real reason for the subbing – that is in black and white in this very article if people could be bothered to actually read it first!!!!!!
.
As I have said and a few others have hinted at had an unpopular player like Risser turned up unfit, missed days off, started blaming others for his mistakes and then reacted like Wes did after being subbed – the witch hunt would have been directed squarely at him!
.
People need to make up their mind as to what they think is right or wrong and not flip depending on who the player is!
.
The McEverely comments above back this up – hardly any post or article over that – yet is basically the same issue!!!!!!!!!
.
Now that doesn’t mean it has to be black or white and only PdC or the player is right – but it shouldn’t as pointed out above draw 100s of posts purely as it was Wes and not say Luke Rooney getting hauled off!
.
Connell and Kerrouche had this last year – we saw the reaction of those – 1 was praised and played a major role – one was punished with a spell at the Pox!
.
Also they attracted far less comments as not Wes or Caddis!!!
.
In both situations PdC has shown errors of judgement and this will need improving for his own career – but in both incidents the player in question is clealry at fault and needs to take the appropriate action to address that
.
A simple press release from Wes saying he is sorry for his recent behavoiur and he will work extra hard with Domenico Doardo to return to his best form will end this matter
.
As said before we saw this with Drinkgate and those players are fine – Macca is now Captain – so that will see Wes on the right path!

London i think you are guilty of point 2 just as much as anyone else,just like we all are at times i guess.
A public apology is needed!

I agree 61 and I'm still waiting for LR's apology,when he said my post was not true,when I said Paolo was not speaking to the press,after the Hartlepool game!I won't hold my breath!!!!!!!!!!!!!

mike1990 wrote:

the don69 wrote:

swwindon61uk wrote:

London Red wrote: There are 2 things what annoy me a lot on here . 1 – The demand for information - which when provided is followed up with “why air it in public” – this happened with Aldershot away, Caddis and to a certain extent Wes! . The phrase you can’t have your cake and eat springs to mind . Either we want a closed shop and therefore need to stop demanding information and then speculating to the extreme in its absence – or we accept that PdC will give us an explanation – granted sometimes delivered in too much of a rant – but still with the real reason within it (if people are prepared to either listen or read) . Maybe the solution is he simply needs to do a “Hartlepool” more often and not speak until Monday when he has had a chance to cool down and then can deliver the exact same message in a calm and rational manner so the hoo-hah that follows isn’t there – the Sky interview seems another example of this . 2 – The fickleness of posters – I’ve said it before and I know Hertz and a few others have now hinted at it – that depending on who the player is determines the reaction of the responses . I was away on Sun so was not following the game yet when I logged on later I was shocked at how many posting there were within minutes of the subbing by people not there - As PdC says too many seem to have their opinion without even 1% of the facts! . You then read the comments by the posters there and it seemed to suggest subbing him was right as he was having a mare! . No one seems prepared to actually wait to hear what was happening or why – particually as it was Wes . This has continued today with posters still slating PdC for “not allowing a single mistake” – which is completely untrue and the not real reason for the subbing – that is in black and white in this very article if people could be bothered to actually read it first!!!!!! . As I have said and a few others have hinted at had an unpopular player like Risser turned up unfit, missed days off, started blaming others for his mistakes and then reacted like Wes did after being subbed – the witch hunt would have been directed squarely at him! . People need to make up their mind as to what they think is right or wrong and not flip depending on who the player is! . The McEverely comments above back this up – hardly any post or article over that – yet is basically the same issue!!!!!!!!! . Now that doesn’t mean it has to be black or white and only PdC or the player is right – but it shouldn’t as pointed out above draw 100s of posts purely as it was Wes and not say Luke Rooney getting hauled off! . Connell and Kerrouche had this last year – we saw the reaction of those – 1 was praised and played a major role – one was punished with a spell at the Pox! . Also they attracted far less comments as not Wes or Caddis!!! . In both situations PdC has shown errors of judgement and this will need improving for his own career – but in both incidents the player in question is clealry at fault and needs to take the appropriate action to address that . A simple press release from Wes saying he is sorry for his recent behavoiur and he will work extra hard with Domenico Doardo to return to his best form will end this matter . As said before we saw this with Drinkgate and those players are fine – Macca is now Captain – so that will see Wes on the right path!

London i think you are guilty of point 2 just as much as anyone else,just like we all are at times i guess. A public apology is needed!

I agree 61 and I'm still waiting for LR's apology,when he said my post was not true,when I said Paolo was not speaking to the press,after the Hartlepool game!I won't hold my breath!!!!!!!!!!!!!

yes i remember that one don,he never spoke to press,he made a video for Swindon Town player,london red should apologyise for that one,did PDC give that ref an apology after pushing him over?

jam1 wrote:

mike1990 wrote:

the don69 wrote:

swwindon61uk wrote:

London Red wrote: There are 2 things what annoy me a lot on here . 1 – The demand for information - which when provided is followed up with “why air it in public” – this happened with Aldershot away, Caddis and to a certain extent Wes! . The phrase you can’t have your cake and eat springs to mind . Either we want a closed shop and therefore need to stop demanding information and then speculating to the extreme in its absence – or we accept that PdC will give us an explanation – granted sometimes delivered in too much of a rant – but still with the real reason within it (if people are prepared to either listen or read) . Maybe the solution is he simply needs to do a “Hartlepool” more often and not speak until Monday when he has had a chance to cool down and then can deliver the exact same message in a calm and rational manner so the hoo-hah that follows isn’t there – the Sky interview seems another example of this . 2 – The fickleness of posters – I’ve said it before and I know Hertz and a few others have now hinted at it – that depending on who the player is determines the reaction of the responses . I was away on Sun so was not following the game yet when I logged on later I was shocked at how many posting there were within minutes of the subbing by people not there - As PdC says too many seem to have their opinion without even 1% of the facts! . You then read the comments by the posters there and it seemed to suggest subbing him was right as he was having a mare! . No one seems prepared to actually wait to hear what was happening or why – particually as it was Wes . This has continued today with posters still slating PdC for “not allowing a single mistake” – which is completely untrue and the not real reason for the subbing – that is in black and white in this very article if people could be bothered to actually read it first!!!!!! . As I have said and a few others have hinted at had an unpopular player like Risser turned up unfit, missed days off, started blaming others for his mistakes and then reacted like Wes did after being subbed – the witch hunt would have been directed squarely at him! . People need to make up their mind as to what they think is right or wrong and not flip depending on who the player is! . The McEverely comments above back this up – hardly any post or article over that – yet is basically the same issue!!!!!!!!! . Now that doesn’t mean it has to be black or white and only PdC or the player is right – but it shouldn’t as pointed out above draw 100s of posts purely as it was Wes and not say Luke Rooney getting hauled off! . Connell and Kerrouche had this last year – we saw the reaction of those – 1 was praised and played a major role – one was punished with a spell at the Pox! . Also they attracted far less comments as not Wes or Caddis!!! . In both situations PdC has shown errors of judgement and this will need improving for his own career – but in both incidents the player in question is clealry at fault and needs to take the appropriate action to address that . A simple press release from Wes saying he is sorry for his recent behavoiur and he will work extra hard with Domenico Doardo to return to his best form will end this matter . As said before we saw this with Drinkgate and those players are fine – Macca is now Captain – so that will see Wes on the right path!

London i think you are guilty of point 2 just as much as anyone else,just like we all are at times i guess. A public apology is needed!

I agree 61 and I'm still waiting for LR's apology,when he said my post was not true,when I said Paolo was not speaking to the press,after the Hartlepool game!I won't hold my breath!!!!!!!!!!!!!

yes i remember that one don,he never spoke to press,he made a video for Swindon Town player,london red should apologyise for that one,did PDC give that ref an apology after pushing him over?

What is it with everyone having to apologise for stuff??

stfcknowitall wrote:
Do we want Di Canio to resign then????

Im guessing by some fickle, ignorant, stupid and totally senseless remarks on here about Paolo's inability to man manage, making mistakes bla bla bla that you want Paolo to walk??

I know lets sack Paolo and bring back Paul Hart and go back to the ''good old days'' where our players are out of steam around the 60 minute mark in a game, the players decide when they can be bothered to train, go out every weekend on the p**s. Oh and have absolutely no respect for the club, fans or manager??

IN PAOLO I TRUST!!

Oi Den! wrote:

stfcknowitall wrote: Do we want Di Canio to resign then???? Im guessing by some fickle, ignorant, stupid and totally senseless remarks on here about Paolo's inability to man manage, making mistakes bla bla bla that you want Paolo to walk?? I know lets sack Paolo and bring back Paul Hart and go back to the ''good old days'' where our players are out of steam around the 60 minute mark in a game, the players decide when they can be bothered to train, go out every weekend on the p**s. Oh and have absolutely no respect for the club, fans or manager?? IN PAOLO I TRUST!!

WTF has Paul Hart got to do with any of this or with our players running out of steam after 60 minutes, not bothering to train and going out on the pi55? That was the mess that was left for him at the start of his 7 weeks in charge. It was also the reason Danny Wilson was sacked.

chalkswindon wrote:
Sam Just tweeted "Wes trained as normal today with the rest of the squad"

Thats great to read.

jam1 wrote:

Oi Den! wrote:

stfcknowitall wrote: Do we want Di Canio to resign then???? Im guessing by some fickle, ignorant, stupid and totally senseless remarks on here about Paolo's inability to man manage, making mistakes bla bla bla that you want Paolo to walk?? I know lets sack Paolo and bring back Paul Hart and go back to the ''good old days'' where our players are out of steam around the 60 minute mark in a game, the players decide when they can be bothered to train, go out every weekend on the p**s. Oh and have absolutely no respect for the club, fans or manager?? IN PAOLO I TRUST!!

WTF has Paul Hart got to do with any of this or with our players running out of steam after 60 minutes, not bothering to train and going out on the pi55? That was the mess that was left for him at the start of his 7 weeks in charge. It was also the reason Danny Wilson was sacked.

So you want Paolo to stay then?

Oi Den! wrote:

stfcknowitall wrote: Do we want Di Canio to resign then???? Im guessing by some fickle, ignorant, stupid and totally senseless remarks on here about Paolo's inability to man manage, making mistakes bla bla bla that you want Paolo to walk?? I know lets sack Paolo and bring back Paul Hart and go back to the ''good old days'' where our players are out of steam around the 60 minute mark in a game, the players decide when they can be bothered to train, go out every weekend on the p**s. Oh and have absolutely no respect for the club, fans or manager?? IN PAOLO I TRUST!!

WTF has Paul Hart got to do with any of this or with our players running out of steam after 60 minutes, not bothering to train and going out on the pi55? That was the mess that was left for him at the start of his 7 weeks in charge. It was also the reason Danny Wilson was sacked.

Oi Den! wrote:

stfcknowitall wrote:
Do we want Di Canio to resign then????

Im guessing by some fickle, ignorant, stupid and totally senseless remarks on here about Paolo's inability to man manage, making mistakes bla bla bla that you want Paolo to walk??

I know lets sack Paolo and bring back Paul Hart and go back to the ''good old days'' where our players are out of steam around the 60 minute mark in a game, the players decide when they can be bothered to train, go out every weekend on the p**s. Oh and have absolutely no respect for the club, fans or manager??

IN PAOLO I TRUST!!

WTF has Paul Hart got to do with any of this or with our players running out of steam after 60 minutes, not bothering to train and going out on the pi55? That was the mess that was left for him at the start of his 7 weeks in charge. It was also the reason Danny Wilson was sacked.

stfcknowitall wrote:
Do we want Di Canio to resign then????

Im guessing by some fickle, ignorant, stupid and totally senseless remarks on here about Paolo's inability to man manage, making mistakes bla bla bla that you want Paolo to walk??

I know lets sack Paolo and bring back Paul Hart and go back to the ''good old days'' where our players are out of steam around the 60 minute mark in a game, the players decide when they can be bothered to train, go out every weekend on the p**s. Oh and have absolutely no respect for the club, fans or manager??

IN PAOLO I TRUST!!

mike1990 wrote:

Oi Den! wrote:

stfcknowitall wrote: Do we want Di Canio to resign then???? Im guessing by some fickle, ignorant, stupid and totally senseless remarks on here about Paolo's inability to man manage, making mistakes bla bla bla that you want Paolo to walk?? I know lets sack Paolo and bring back Paul Hart and go back to the ''good old days'' where our players are out of steam around the 60 minute mark in a game, the players decide when they can be bothered to train, go out every weekend on the p**s. Oh and have absolutely no respect for the club, fans or manager?? IN PAOLO I TRUST!!

WTF has Paul Hart got to do with any of this or with our players running out of steam after 60 minutes, not bothering to train and going out on the pi55? That was the mess that was left for him at the start of his 7 weeks in charge. It was also the reason Danny Wilson was sacked.

Oi Den is right knowitall nothing to do with Harte,it was fitton and wilson to blame for that mess.

chalkswindon wrote:
If you were Wes would you say sorry ?

If you were PDC would you say sorry ?

Oldhamred wrote:
IMO there is no need for a public apology from either PDC or Wes.

A private apology to each other might be the best outcome all round.

stfcknowitall wrote:

Oi Den! wrote:

stfcknowitall wrote: Do we want Di Canio to resign then???? Im guessing by some fickle, ignorant, stupid and totally senseless remarks on here about Paolo's inability to man manage, making mistakes bla bla bla that you want Paolo to walk?? I know lets sack Paolo and bring back Paul Hart and go back to the ''good old days'' where our players are out of steam around the 60 minute mark in a game, the players decide when they can be bothered to train, go out every weekend on the p**s. Oh and have absolutely no respect for the club, fans or manager?? IN PAOLO I TRUST!!

WTF has Paul Hart got to do with any of this or with our players running out of steam after 60 minutes, not bothering to train and going out on the pi55? That was the mess that was left for him at the start of his 7 weeks in charge. It was also the reason Danny Wilson was sacked.

I said 'Paul Hart' as an example, yes wilson was responsible for the mess. Sorry next time ill say, Malpas, Wilson and Hart!! I think you've missed my point somewhat!

jam1 wrote:

mike1990 wrote:

Oi Den! wrote:

stfcknowitall wrote: Do we want Di Canio to resign then???? Im guessing by some fickle, ignorant, stupid and totally senseless remarks on here about Paolo's inability to man manage, making mistakes bla bla bla that you want Paolo to walk?? I know lets sack Paolo and bring back Paul Hart and go back to the ''good old days'' where our players are out of steam around the 60 minute mark in a game, the players decide when they can be bothered to train, go out every weekend on the p**s. Oh and have absolutely no respect for the club, fans or manager?? IN PAOLO I TRUST!!

WTF has Paul Hart got to do with any of this or with our players running out of steam after 60 minutes, not bothering to train and going out on the pi55? That was the mess that was left for him at the start of his 7 weeks in charge. It was also the reason Danny Wilson was sacked.

Oi Den is right knowitall nothing to do with Harte,it was fitton and wilson to blame for that mess.

I think he just means do we want to go back to how things used to be. I certainly don't

jam1 wrote:

mike1990 wrote:

Oi Den! wrote:

stfcknowitall wrote: Do we want Di Canio to resign then???? Im guessing by some fickle, ignorant, stupid and totally senseless remarks on here about Paolo's inability to man manage, making mistakes bla bla bla that you want Paolo to walk?? I know lets sack Paolo and bring back Paul Hart and go back to the ''good old days'' where our players are out of steam around the 60 minute mark in a game, the players decide when they can be bothered to train, go out every weekend on the p**s. Oh and have absolutely no respect for the club, fans or manager?? IN PAOLO I TRUST!!

WTF has Paul Hart got to do with any of this or with our players running out of steam after 60 minutes, not bothering to train and going out on the pi55? That was the mess that was left for him at the start of his 7 weeks in charge. It was also the reason Danny Wilson was sacked.

Oi Den is right knowitall nothing to do with Harte,it was fitton and wilson to blame for that mess.

I think he just means do we want to go back to how things used to be. I certainly don't

swwindon61uk wrote:

jam1 wrote:

mike1990 wrote:

Oi Den! wrote:

stfcknowitall wrote: Do we want Di Canio to resign then???? Im guessing by some fickle, ignorant, stupid and totally senseless remarks on here about Paolo's inability to man manage, making mistakes bla bla bla that you want Paolo to walk?? I know lets sack Paolo and bring back Paul Hart and go back to the ''good old days'' where our players are out of steam around the 60 minute mark in a game, the players decide when they can be bothered to train, go out every weekend on the p**s. Oh and have absolutely no respect for the club, fans or manager?? IN PAOLO I TRUST!!

WTF has Paul Hart got to do with any of this or with our players running out of steam after 60 minutes, not bothering to train and going out on the pi55? That was the mess that was left for him at the start of his 7 weeks in charge. It was also the reason Danny Wilson was sacked.

Oi Den is right knowitall nothing to do with Harte,it was fitton and wilson to blame for that mess.

I think he just means do we want to go back to how things used to be. I certainly don't

Well when Wilson was here apart from the last couple of months it was all happiness and joy wasn't it especially after he took us to the playoffs?

swwindon61uk wrote:

jam1 wrote:

mike1990 wrote:

Oi Den! wrote:

stfcknowitall wrote: Do we want Di Canio to resign then???? Im guessing by some fickle, ignorant, stupid and totally senseless remarks on here about Paolo's inability to man manage, making mistakes bla bla bla that you want Paolo to walk?? I know lets sack Paolo and bring back Paul Hart and go back to the ''good old days'' where our players are out of steam around the 60 minute mark in a game, the players decide when they can be bothered to train, go out every weekend on the p**s. Oh and have absolutely no respect for the club, fans or manager?? IN PAOLO I TRUST!!

WTF has Paul Hart got to do with any of this or with our players running out of steam after 60 minutes, not bothering to train and going out on the pi55? That was the mess that was left for him at the start of his 7 weeks in charge. It was also the reason Danny Wilson was sacked.

Oi Den is right knowitall nothing to do with Harte,it was fitton and wilson to blame for that mess.

I think he just means do we want to go back to how things used to be. I certainly don't

Well when Wilson was here apart from the last couple of months it was all happiness and joy wasn't it especially after he took us to the playoffs?

jam1 wrote:

mike1990 wrote:

Oi Den! wrote:

stfcknowitall wrote: Do we want Di Canio to resign then???? Im guessing by some fickle, ignorant, stupid and totally senseless remarks on here about Paolo's inability to man manage, making mistakes bla bla bla that you want Paolo to walk?? I know lets sack Paolo and bring back Paul Hart and go back to the ''good old days'' where our players are out of steam around the 60 minute mark in a game, the players decide when they can be bothered to train, go out every weekend on the p**s. Oh and have absolutely no respect for the club, fans or manager?? IN PAOLO I TRUST!!

WTF has Paul Hart got to do with any of this or with our players running out of steam after 60 minutes, not bothering to train and going out on the pi55? That was the mess that was left for him at the start of his 7 weeks in charge. It was also the reason Danny Wilson was sacked.

Oi Den is right knowitall nothing to do with Harte,it was fitton and wilson to blame for that mess.

I think he just means do we want to go back to how things used to be. I certainly don't

jam1 wrote:

swwindon61uk wrote:

jam1 wrote:

mike1990 wrote:

Oi Den! wrote:

stfcknowitall wrote: Do we want Di Canio to resign then???? Im guessing by some fickle, ignorant, stupid and totally senseless remarks on here about Paolo's inability to man manage, making mistakes bla bla bla that you want Paolo to walk?? I know lets sack Paolo and bring back Paul Hart and go back to the ''good old days'' where our players are out of steam around the 60 minute mark in a game, the players decide when they can be bothered to train, go out every weekend on the p**s. Oh and have absolutely no respect for the club, fans or manager?? IN PAOLO I TRUST!!

WTF has Paul Hart got to do with any of this or with our players running out of steam after 60 minutes, not bothering to train and going out on the pi55? That was the mess that was left for him at the start of his 7 weeks in charge. It was also the reason Danny Wilson was sacked.

Oi Den is right knowitall nothing to do with Harte,it was fitton and wilson to blame for that mess.

I think he just means do we want to go back to how things used to be. I certainly don't

Well when Wilson was here apart from the last couple of months it was all happiness and joy wasn't it especially after he took us to the playoffs?

Are you serious, the season after the play offs was absolutely horrific.We were a complete shambles.

jam1 wrote:

swwindon61uk wrote:

jam1 wrote:

mike1990 wrote:

Oi Den! wrote:

stfcknowitall wrote: Do we want Di Canio to resign then???? Im guessing by some fickle, ignorant, stupid and totally senseless remarks on here about Paolo's inability to man manage, making mistakes bla bla bla that you want Paolo to walk?? I know lets sack Paolo and bring back Paul Hart and go back to the ''good old days'' where our players are out of steam around the 60 minute mark in a game, the players decide when they can be bothered to train, go out every weekend on the p**s. Oh and have absolutely no respect for the club, fans or manager?? IN PAOLO I TRUST!!

WTF has Paul Hart got to do with any of this or with our players running out of steam after 60 minutes, not bothering to train and going out on the pi55? That was the mess that was left for him at the start of his 7 weeks in charge. It was also the reason Danny Wilson was sacked.

Oi Den is right knowitall nothing to do with Harte,it was fitton and wilson to blame for that mess.

I think he just means do we want to go back to how things used to be. I certainly don't

Well when Wilson was here apart from the last couple of months it was all happiness and joy wasn't it especially after he took us to the playoffs?

Are you serious, the season after the play offs was absolutely horrific.We were a complete shambles.

stfcknowitall wrote:

jam1 wrote:

swwindon61uk wrote:

jam1 wrote:

mike1990 wrote:

Oi Den! wrote:

stfcknowitall wrote: Do we want Di Canio to resign then???? Im guessing by some fickle, ignorant, stupid and totally senseless remarks on here about Paolo's inability to man manage, making mistakes bla bla bla that you want Paolo to walk?? I know lets sack Paolo and bring back Paul Hart and go back to the ''good old days'' where our players are out of steam around the 60 minute mark in a game, the players decide when they can be bothered to train, go out every weekend on the p**s. Oh and have absolutely no respect for the club, fans or manager?? IN PAOLO I TRUST!!

WTF has Paul Hart got to do with any of this or with our players running out of steam after 60 minutes, not bothering to train and going out on the pi55? That was the mess that was left for him at the start of his 7 weeks in charge. It was also the reason Danny Wilson was sacked.

Oi Den is right knowitall nothing to do with Harte,it was fitton and wilson to blame for that mess.

I think he just means do we want to go back to how things used to be. I certainly don't

Well when Wilson was here apart from the last couple of months it was all happiness and joy wasn't it especially after he took us to the playoffs?

Are you serious, the season after the play offs was absolutely horrific.We were a complete shambles.

Lol Jam, I think he must have missed the whole of the 09/10 season in a coma or something!

dddmhc wrote:
So, take a look at Wes' twitter account. Pay particular attention to the time of tweets on the 1st and 2nd September.

...ask yourself what a professional sportsman was doing on social media at 3AM on matchday.

I suspect this might have a lot more to do with Di Canio's reaction than just Wes being "unprofessional
" on the pitch.

dddmhc wrote:
So, take a look at Wes' twitter account. Pay particular attention to the time of tweets on the 1st and 2nd September.

...ask yourself what a professional sportsman was doing on social media at 3AM on matchday.

I suspect this might have a lot more to do with Di Canio's reaction than just Wes being "unprofessional
" on the pitch.

chalkswindon wrote:
PDC: 'Wes has said sorry. Now we must move on and work together. He is a strong character and a genuine guy.'

jam1 wrote:

mike1990 wrote:

Oi Den! wrote:

stfcknowitall wrote: Do we want Di Canio to resign then???? Im guessing by some fickle, ignorant, stupid and totally senseless remarks on here about Paolo's inability to man manage, making mistakes bla bla bla that you want Paolo to walk?? I know lets sack Paolo and bring back Paul Hart and go back to the ''good old days'' where our players are out of steam around the 60 minute mark in a game, the players decide when they can be bothered to train, go out every weekend on the p**s. Oh and have absolutely no respect for the club, fans or manager?? IN PAOLO I TRUST!!

WTF has Paul Hart got to do with any of this or with our players running out of steam after 60 minutes, not bothering to train and going out on the pi55? That was the mess that was left for him at the start of his 7 weeks in charge. It was also the reason Danny Wilson was sacked.

Oi Den is right knowitall nothing to do with Harte,it was fitton and wilson to blame for that mess.

I think he just means do we want to go back to how things used to be. I certainly don't

stfcknowitall wrote:

jam1 wrote:

swwindon61uk wrote:

jam1 wrote:

mike1990 wrote:

Oi Den! wrote:

stfcknowitall wrote: Do we want Di Canio to resign then???? Im guessing by some fickle, ignorant, stupid and totally senseless remarks on here about Paolo's inability to man manage, making mistakes bla bla bla that you want Paolo to walk?? I know lets sack Paolo and bring back Paul Hart and go back to the ''good old days'' where our players are out of steam around the 60 minute mark in a game, the players decide when they can be bothered to train, go out every weekend on the p**s. Oh and have absolutely no respect for the club, fans or manager?? IN PAOLO I TRUST!!

WTF has Paul Hart got to do with any of this or with our players running out of steam after 60 minutes, not bothering to train and going out on the pi55? That was the mess that was left for him at the start of his 7 weeks in charge. It was also the reason Danny Wilson was sacked.

Oi Den is right knowitall nothing to do with Harte,it was fitton and wilson to blame for that mess.

I think he just means do we want to go back to how things used to be. I certainly don't

Well when Wilson was here apart from the last couple of months it was all happiness and joy wasn't it especially after he took us to the playoffs?

Are you serious, the season after the play offs was absolutely horrific.We were a complete shambles.

Lol Jam, I think he must have missed the whole of the 09/10 season in a coma or something!

RedArmy74 wrote:

dddmhc wrote:
So, take a look at Wes' twitter account. Pay particular attention to the time of tweets on the 1st and 2nd September.

...ask yourself what a professional sportsman was doing on social media at 3AM on matchday.

I suspect this might have a lot more to do with Di Canio's reaction than just Wes being "unprofessional

" on the pitch.

Think you may need to check your time zone settings on twitter! All his tweets on 2nd September were between 10:45am and 11:15am UK time.

chalkswindon wrote:
PDC: 'Wes has said sorry. Now we must move on and work together. He is a strong character and a genuine guy.'

chalkswindon wrote:
PDC: 'Wes has said sorry. Now we must move on and work together. He is a strong character and a genuine guy.'

chalkswindon wrote:
PDC: 'Wes has said sorry. Now we must move on and work together. He is a strong character and a genuine guy.'

swwindon61uk wrote:

stfcknowitall wrote:

jam1 wrote:

swwindon61uk wrote:

jam1 wrote:

mike1990 wrote:

Oi Den! wrote:

stfcknowitall wrote: Do we want Di Canio to resign then???? Im guessing by some fickle, ignorant, stupid and totally senseless remarks on here about Paolo's inability to man manage, making mistakes bla bla bla that you want Paolo to walk?? I know lets sack Paolo and bring back Paul Hart and go back to the ''good old days'' where our players are out of steam around the 60 minute mark in a game, the players decide when they can be bothered to train, go out every weekend on the p**s. Oh and have absolutely no respect for the club, fans or manager?? IN PAOLO I TRUST!!

WTF has Paul Hart got to do with any of this or with our players running out of steam after 60 minutes, not bothering to train and going out on the pi55? That was the mess that was left for him at the start of his 7 weeks in charge. It was also the reason Danny Wilson was sacked.

Oi Den is right knowitall nothing to do with Harte,it was fitton and wilson to blame for that mess.

I think he just means do we want to go back to how things used to be. I certainly don't

Well when Wilson was here apart from the last couple of months it was all happiness and joy wasn't it especially after he took us to the playoffs?

Are you serious, the season after the play offs was absolutely horrific.We were a complete shambles.

Lol Jam, I think he must have missed the whole of the 09/10 season in a coma or something!

I was there,just like i have been for the last 43 years. Still stand by what i say,when we beat Charlton away 4-2 on January the 3rd i think that kept Wilson in a job longer than it should i will agree. That particular season i predicted mid-table after the playoff final loss as we lost all of our laon players.

jam1 wrote:

swwindon61uk wrote:

stfcknowitall wrote:

jam1 wrote:

swwindon61uk wrote:

jam1 wrote:

mike1990 wrote:

Oi Den! wrote:

stfcknowitall wrote: Do we want Di Canio to resign then???? Im guessing by some fickle, ignorant, stupid and totally senseless remarks on here about Paolo's inability to man manage, making mistakes bla bla bla that you want Paolo to walk?? I know lets sack Paolo and bring back Paul Hart and go back to the ''good old days'' where our players are out of steam around the 60 minute mark in a game, the players decide when they can be bothered to train, go out every weekend on the p**s. Oh and have absolutely no respect for the club, fans or manager?? IN PAOLO I TRUST!!

WTF has Paul Hart got to do with any of this or with our players running out of steam after 60 minutes, not bothering to train and going out on the pi55? That was the mess that was left for him at the start of his 7 weeks in charge. It was also the reason Danny Wilson was sacked.

Oi Den is right knowitall nothing to do with Harte,it was fitton and wilson to blame for that mess.

I think he just means do we want to go back to how things used to be. I certainly don't

Well when Wilson was here apart from the last couple of months it was all happiness and joy wasn't it especially after he took us to the playoffs?

Are you serious, the season after the play offs was absolutely horrific.We were a complete shambles.

Lol Jam, I think he must have missed the whole of the 09/10 season in a coma or something!

I was there,just like i have been for the last 43 years. Still stand by what i say,when we beat Charlton away 4-2 on January the 3rd i think that kept Wilson in a job longer than it should i will agree. That particular season i predicted mid-table after the playoff final loss as we lost all of our laon players.

I'm not really sure what you're saying.. Beating Charlton away got us to the play off final during a very good season. Why would wilson get the boot at this stage?? It was the season after that we should have got rid of him earlier. Anyway who cares about all that ****.... roll on wed!

dddmhc wrote:

RedArmy74 wrote:

dddmhc wrote:
So, take a look at Wes' twitter account. Pay particular attention to the time of tweets on the 1st and 2nd September.

...ask yourself what a professional sportsman was doing on social media at 3AM on matchday.

I suspect this might have a lot more to do with Di Canio's reaction than just Wes being "unprofessional


" on the pitch.

Think you may need to check your time zone settings on twitter! All his tweets on 2nd September were between 10:45am and 11:15am UK time.

GMT +1.

Checked yours...? ;)

jam1 wrote:

swwindon61uk wrote:

stfcknowitall wrote:

jam1 wrote:

swwindon61uk wrote:

jam1 wrote:

mike1990 wrote:

Oi Den! wrote:

stfcknowitall wrote: Do we want Di Canio to resign then???? Im guessing by some fickle, ignorant, stupid and totally senseless remarks on here about Paolo's inability to man manage, making mistakes bla bla bla that you want Paolo to walk?? I know lets sack Paolo and bring back Paul Hart and go back to the ''good old days'' where our players are out of steam around the 60 minute mark in a game, the players decide when they can be bothered to train, go out every weekend on the p**s. Oh and have absolutely no respect for the club, fans or manager?? IN PAOLO I TRUST!!

WTF has Paul Hart got to do with any of this or with our players running out of steam after 60 minutes, not bothering to train and going out on the pi55? That was the mess that was left for him at the start of his 7 weeks in charge. It was also the reason Danny Wilson was sacked.

Oi Den is right knowitall nothing to do with Harte,it was fitton and wilson to blame for that mess.

I think he just means do we want to go back to how things used to be. I certainly don't

Well when Wilson was here apart from the last couple of months it was all happiness and joy wasn't it especially after he took us to the playoffs?

Are you serious, the season after the play offs was absolutely horrific.We were a complete shambles.

Lol Jam, I think he must have missed the whole of the 09/10 season in a coma or something!

I was there,just like i have been for the last 43 years. Still stand by what i say,when we beat Charlton away 4-2 on January the 3rd i think that kept Wilson in a job longer than it should i will agree. That particular season i predicted mid-table after the playoff final loss as we lost all of our laon players.

I'm not really sure what you're saying.. Beating Charlton away got us to the play off final during a very good season. Why would wilson get the boot at this stage?? It was the season after that we should have got rid of him earlier.

Anyway who cares about all that ****.... roll on wed!

Terryswin wrote:

chalkswindon wrote: PDC: 'Wes has said sorry. Now we must move on and work together. He is a strong character and a genuine guy.'

where did you hear wes saying sorry,,,

stfcknowitall wrote:

Terryswin wrote:

chalkswindon wrote: PDC: 'Wes has said sorry. Now we must move on and work together. He is a strong character and a genuine guy.'

where did you hear wes saying sorry,,,

I saw it on the 'online ticket' page on swindontown.co.uk web page

red white wrote:
Sam on talk sport in a minute

smirg kcab wrote:
Now for both macs, Rooney and devera should all apologise to the fans, left 15 mins early first time ever, Disgrace performance from them all. Onwards and upwards

RedintheFace wrote:
When PDC was appointed many supporters exiled themselves from their beloved club because he’s a self-professed admirer of fascism and dictatorship. Some couldn’t understand what that had to do with being a football manager. Well now it’s clear. The man’s a self-centred bully who takes pride in humiliating others. Hardly a surprise, he admires Mussolini. His temperament may not have prevented him playing but it prevents him being a man manager. Even if it’s just coincidence that - Caddis apart - he doesn’t bully white players out of the club. Fans forgive anything given great results and great passion, and PDC’s delivered that. But the likes of Sturrock or Wilson would have ended up equally admired, given similar resources. The Stoke game showed what can happen when our players are freed from the fear that comes with unreasonable expectations and excessive pressure. Looks like PDC lost out for once this weekend. Wasn’t it supposed to be a public apology? Wray may have banged heads together in the office but we haven’t seen Wes grovel as the nutter had demanded. BTW please don’t question my own commitment or call me a pox troll. Season ticket holder and away traveller for many years (highlight Leicester 4-3 and the pens at Charlton, lowlight the playoff semi at Brighton). A supporter still of course - in the sense that people ‘support’ ManU - but give a thought to those of us who won’t attend games, buy shirts or comment on here til there’s a change of management. For that reason it’s unlikely anyone reading this will agree with this post. To sum it up, the manager is trashing our mighty Club’s finances, its team and its reputation. It does matter that he’s a fascist. Back at the CG next season to watch us going for the Prem. Under someone with some decency.

smirg kcab wrote:
Just in news on sky
Paolos not happy with the fans and told them to go to Oxford then come back to the county ground to get your money back.
Well that's it then paolo I am f---ing going to Oxford then will be back on saturday to see us muller l-o. As for getting my money back no chance.
He still sounds not a happy bunny
Onwards and upwards

avo wrote:
35yr Red
.
You make good points apart from the stay away fans and armchair fan bits, please don't tar all with a generalisation like that. Many have differing reasons for their absence..
.
Anyone lend me 20 quid for the next game?

dreamofacleansheet2 wrote:
Grim absolutely right. Offered to buy any season tickets back from anyone not happy.

Dear all those on here who aren't happy with the way he's treated Super Sir Wes (who's apologised) please put your hands up and let me know you're going to Paolo for a refund on your season ticket??

As Grim says he also suggests you can and support Oxford whilst he's in charge.

Love both of those. Let's see how much it's going to cost Paolo. Brilliant.

Lazaat wrote:

RedintheFace wrote:
When PDC was appointed many supporters exiled themselves from their beloved club because he’s a self-professed admirer of fascism and dictatorship. Some couldn’t understand what that had to do with being a football manager. Well now it’s clear. The man’s a self-centred bully who takes pride in humiliating others. Hardly a surprise, he admires Mussolini. His temperament may not have prevented him playing but it prevents him being a man manager. Even if it’s just coincidence that - Caddis apart - he doesn’t bully white players out of the club. Fans forgive anything given great results and great passion, and PDC’s delivered that. But the likes of Sturrock or Wilson would have ended up equally admired, given similar resources. The Stoke game showed what can happen when our players are freed from the fear that comes with unreasonable expectations and excessive pressure. Looks like PDC lost out for once this weekend. Wasn’t it supposed to be a public apology? Wray may have banged heads together in the office but we haven’t seen Wes grovel as the nutter had demanded. BTW please don’t question my own commitment or call me a pox troll. Season ticket holder and away traveller for many years (highlight Leicester 4-3 and the pens at Charlton, lowlight the playoff semi at Brighton). A supporter still of course - in the sense that people ‘support’ ManU - but give a thought to those of us who won’t attend games, buy shirts or comment on here til there’s a change of management. For that reason it’s unlikely anyone reading this will agree with this post. To sum it up, the manager is trashing our mighty Club’s finances, its team and its reputation. It does matter that he’s a fascist. Back at the CG next season to watch us going for the Prem. Under someone with some decency.

You are the bigot and i for one hope you never come back to the CG and i suspect most of my fellow "real supporters" will endorse that! So do us a favour M8 and stay away as you have just proved what a true bigot you are!

Now lets get back to more important things.........I have read on twitter that Wes and Paulo have sorted things out (as you all now know), cant say what a relief this is and i think we will now be even stronger and more united than before and hopefully the Pox will get the backlash on Wednesday. COYRsssssssss

Ginge09 wrote:

Lazaat wrote:

RedintheFace wrote:
When PDC was appointed many supporters exiled themselves from their beloved club because he’s a self-professed admirer of fascism and dictatorship. Some couldn’t understand what that had to do with being a football manager. Well now it’s clear. The man’s a self-centred bully who takes pride in humiliating others. Hardly a surprise, he admires Mussolini. His temperament may not have prevented him playing but it prevents him being a man manager. Even if it’s just coincidence that - Caddis apart - he doesn’t bully white players out of the club. Fans forgive anything given great results and great passion, and PDC’s delivered that. But the likes of Sturrock or Wilson would have ended up equally admired, given similar resources. The Stoke game showed what can happen when our players are freed from the fear that comes with unreasonable expectations and excessive pressure. Looks like PDC lost out for once this weekend. Wasn’t it supposed to be a public apology? Wray may have banged heads together in the office but we haven’t seen Wes grovel as the nutter had demanded. BTW please don’t question my own commitment or call me a pox troll. Season ticket holder and away traveller for many years (highlight Leicester 4-3 and the pens at Charlton, lowlight the playoff semi at Brighton). A supporter still of course - in the sense that people ‘support’ ManU - but give a thought to those of us who won’t attend games, buy shirts or comment on here til there’s a change of management. For that reason it’s unlikely anyone reading this will agree with this post. To sum it up, the manager is trashing our mighty Club’s finances, its team and its reputation. It does matter that he’s a fascist. Back at the CG next season to watch us going for the Prem. Under someone with some decency.

You are the bigot and i for one hope you never come back to the CG and i suspect most of my fellow "real supporters" will endorse that! So do us a favour M8 and stay away as you have just proved what a true bigot you are!

Now lets get back to more important things.........I have read on twitter that Wes and Paulo have sorted things out (as you all now know), cant say what a relief this is and i think we will now be even stronger and more united than before and hopefully the Pox will get the backlash on Wednesday. COYRsssssssss

Lazaat- real fan here. I second that.

Paulo is a football man. Paulo is a winner.

Paulo wants the best for the football club- because that means Paulo has won the league, an Paulo lives to win and that's what gets him put of bed in the morning.

Clarke was in the wrong- bang out of order

Caddis made a mistake, Paulo t

mike1990 wrote:
Blimey 260 posts and before five o'clock,that must be a record,it's all down to Marmite PDC.love him or hate him he's box office,there used to be about 20 when boring Malpas was Manager,well good to hear they've kissed and made up,tell em to get a room lol.

Lazaat wrote:

RedintheFace wrote: When PDC was appointed many supporters exiled themselves from their beloved club because he’s a self-professed admirer of fascism and dictatorship. Some couldn’t understand what that had to do with being a football manager. Well now it’s clear. The man’s a self-centred bully who takes pride in humiliating others. Hardly a surprise, he admires Mussolini. His temperament may not have prevented him playing but it prevents him being a man manager. Even if it’s just coincidence that - Caddis apart - he doesn’t bully white players out of the club. Fans forgive anything given great results and great passion, and PDC’s delivered that. But the likes of Sturrock or Wilson would have ended up equally admired, given similar resources. The Stoke game showed what can happen when our players are freed from the fear that comes with unreasonable expectations and excessive pressure. Looks like PDC lost out for once this weekend. Wasn’t it supposed to be a public apology? Wray may have banged heads together in the office but we haven’t seen Wes grovel as the nutter had demanded. BTW please don’t question my own commitment or call me a pox troll. Season ticket holder and away traveller for many years (highlight Leicester 4-3 and the pens at Charlton, lowlight the playoff semi at Brighton). A supporter still of course - in the sense that people ‘support’ ManU - but give a thought to those of us who won’t attend games, buy shirts or comment on here til there’s a change of management. For that reason it’s unlikely anyone reading this will agree with this post. To sum it up, the manager is trashing our mighty Club’s finances, its team and its reputation. It does matter that he’s a fascist. Back at the CG next season to watch us going for the Prem. Under someone with some decency.

You are the bigot and i for one hope you never come back to the CG and i suspect most of my fellow "real supporters" will endorse that! So do us a favour M8 and stay away as you have just proved what a true bigot you are! Now lets get back to more important things.........I have read on twitter that Wes and Paulo have sorted things out (as you all now know), cant say what a relief this is and i think we will now be even stronger and more united than before and hopefully the Pox will get the backlash on Wednesday. COYRsssssssss

Oi Den! wrote:

mike1990 wrote:
Blimey 260 posts and before five o'clock,that must be a record,it's all down to Marmite PDC.love him or hate him he's box office,there used to be about 20 when boring Malpas was Manager,well good to hear they've kissed and made up,tell em to get a room lol.

Mike, I think that's exactly the trouble. Some people think you have to love him or hate him. We don't have to do either. We just have to support him. And supporting him doesn't necessarily mean offering our unconditional blind faith. We all have minds of our own - and it is our club. It was our club long before Paolo arrived, and it will be our club long after he has gone. Like it or not, he is passing through. We are Swindon till we die.

swwindon61uk wrote:

dreamofacleansheet2 wrote:
Grim absolutely right. Offered to buy any season tickets back from anyone not happy.

Dear all those on here who aren't happy with the way he's treated Super Sir Wes (who's apologised) please put your hands up and let me know you're going to Paolo for a refund on your season ticket??

As Grim says he also suggests you can and support Oxford whilst he's in charge.

Love both of those. Let's see how much it's going to cost Paolo. Brilliant.

Really is quite simple that does eem to get overlooked,there are fans that did not like the way Wes treated and are still massive fans of PDC and what he is doing for this club.
For some reason some posters don't think you can do both!

mike1990 wrote:

Oi Den! wrote:

mike1990 wrote:
Blimey 260 posts and before five o'clock,that must be a record,it's all down to Marmite PDC.love him or hate him he's box office,there used to be about 20 when boring Malpas was Manager,well good to hear they've kissed and made up,tell em to get a room lol.

Mike, I think that's exactly the trouble. Some people think you have to love him or hate him. We don't have to do either. We just have to support him. And supporting him doesn't necessarily mean offering our unconditional blind faith. We all have minds of our own - and it is our club. It was our club long before Paolo arrived, and it will be our club long after he has gone. Like it or not, he is passing through. We are Swindon till we die.

Yep thats right Oi Den and no one is bigger than our club.

RedintheFace wrote:
When PDC was appointed many supporters exiled themselves from their beloved club because he’s a self-professed admirer of fascism and dictatorship. Some couldn’t understand what that had to do with being a football manager. Well now it’s clear. The man’s a self-centred bully who takes pride in humiliating others. Hardly a surprise, he admires Mussolini.

His temperament may not have prevented him playing but it prevents him being a man manager. Even if it’s just coincidence that - Caddis apart - he doesn’t bully white players out of the club.

Fans forgive anything given great results and great passion, and PDC’s delivered that. But the likes of Sturrock or Wilson would have ended up equally admired, given similar resources. The Stoke game showed what can happen when our players are freed from the fear that comes with unreasonable expectations and excessive pressure.

Looks like PDC lost out for once this weekend. Wasn’t it supposed to be a public apology? Wray may have banged heads together in the office but we haven’t seen Wes grovel as the nutter had demanded.

BTW please don’t question my own commitment or call me a pox troll. Season ticket holder and away traveller for many years (highlight Leicester 4-3 and the pens at Charlton, lowlight the playoff semi at Brighton). A supporter still of course - in the sense that people ‘support’ ManU - but give a thought to those of us who won’t attend games, buy shirts or comment on here til there’s a change of management. For that reason it’s unlikely anyone reading this will agree with this post.

To sum it up, the manager is trashing our mighty Club’s finances, its team and its reputation. It does matter that he’s a fascist.

Back at the CG next season to watch us going for the Prem. Under someone with some decency.

Exmouth_red69 wrote:
Probably 70% of the anti Paolo comments are from Scumford trolls on this site ;-)

London Red wrote:
For those who don't think that it is in the press until on the adver website here is the apology they will print tomorrow
.
“Having already spoken to the manager and my teammates following Sunday’s game at Preston, I would like to apologise to the Swindon supporters for my actions.

“I was frustrated with myself in the heat of the moment and the disappointment of being substituted so early in the game.

“I appreciate the time, money and effort that Swindon Town fans spend to watch us play across the country and I hope they would agree that I’ve always given 100%. I have always appreciated their support and it goes without saying that I will continue to always give my all for Swindon and I know I can rely on the fans for their continued support.

“I will always be grateful to the manager and Swindon Town for giving me the opportunity to play first team football and I would never take that for granted.”

The ‘keeper also moved to praise fellow goalkeeper Leigh Bedwell, who made his Football League debut at Deepdale.

“Bedders has always worked hard and despite the circumstances, I was delighted to see him make his first senior appearance. On reflection I should have shaken his hand when I came off but we’ve trained together on Monday and we will continue to help each other out.”
.
Very humble and shows he is a decent chap - the part about not shaking Bedwell's hand is the bits PdC was talking about and the part lots of ranters seemed to ignore - the team element
.
As said above had Caddis made a similar statement he probably would be playing for us now - the fact he didn't suggest unlike Wes he didn't want to

Exmouth_red69 wrote:
Probably 70% of the anti Paolo comments are from Scumford trolls on this site ;-)

jayden wrote:

London Red wrote:
For those who don't think that it is in the press until on the adver website here is the apology they will print tomorrow
.
“Having already spoken to the manager and my teammates following Sunday’s game at Preston, I would like to apologise to the Swindon supporters for my actions.

“I was frustrated with myself in the heat of the moment and the disappointment of being substituted so early in the game.

“I appreciate the time, money and effort that Swindon Town fans spend to watch us play across the country and I hope they would agree that I’ve always given 100%. I have always appreciated their support and it goes without saying that I will continue to always give my all for Swindon and I know I can rely on the fans for their continued support.

“I will always be grateful to the manager and Swindon Town for giving me the opportunity to play first team football and I would never take that for granted.”

The ‘keeper also moved to praise fellow goalkeeper Leigh Bedwell, who made his Football League debut at Deepdale.

“Bedders has always worked hard and despite the circumstances, I was delighted to see him make his first senior appearance. On reflection I should have shaken his hand when I came off but we’ve trained together on Monday and we will continue to help each other out.”
.
Very humble and shows he is a decent chap - the part about not shaking Bedwell's hand is the bits PdC was talking about and the part lots of ranters seemed to ignore - the team element
.
As said above had Caddis made a similar statement he probably would be playing for us now - the fact he didn't suggest unlike Wes he didn't want to

I did point out last season how wes was with Phil smith now he is doing the same to Bedwell .Last season he joined as a num 2 and became no1 so he should help Bedwell ,also noticed in the Mk dons match when they changed ends at kick off he totaly blanked their keeper as they passed all though their keeper held his gloves out to touch.I know this is only a small point but Pdc is all about small details.

Oi Den! wrote:

stfcknowitall wrote:

Oi Den! wrote:

stfcknowitall wrote: Do we want Di Canio to resign then???? Im guessing by some fickle, ignorant, stupid and totally senseless remarks on here about Paolo's inability to man manage, making mistakes bla bla bla that you want Paolo to walk?? I know lets sack Paolo and bring back Paul Hart and go back to the ''good old days'' where our players are out of steam around the 60 minute mark in a game, the players decide when they can be bothered to train, go out every weekend on the p**s. Oh and have absolutely no respect for the club, fans or manager?? IN PAOLO I TRUST!!

WTF has Paul Hart got to do with any of this or with our players running out of steam after 60 minutes, not bothering to train and going out on the pi55? That was the mess that was left for him at the start of his 7 weeks in charge. It was also the reason Danny Wilson was sacked.

I said 'Paul Hart' as an example, yes wilson was responsible for the mess. Sorry next time ill say, Malpas, Wilson and Hart!! I think you've missed my point somewhat!

No, I haven't. Previous managers are history. PDC simply stands or falls on his own merits. We all know how much he has improved things for us. But you speak as if the only alternative is to go back to an incompetent or unpopular previous manager.

dreamofacleansheet2 wrote:
For the avoidance of doubt because there seems to be some suggestion of confusion about my views.

Super Sir Wes is in my opinion the best keeper I've seen in 36 years of supporting the Town, including Messrs Digby, Flowers, Given. I also said in December that I thought if we signed him on loan for the rest of the season we would win the league. Couldn't believe the day we actually signed him on a permanent deal.

Yes he's had a bad game and a half but I don't share other posters views that he's bad on crosses. Show me a keeper that gets every one right and I'll show you Elvis Presley and Lord Lucan having a chat over lunch.

The defense of the whole team from the front has (normally) been amazing but Super Sir Wes has been top draw when called on. The difference between winning games and not at crucial times.

However on this matter I'm 100% behind the manager. Yes he needs to try and calm himself before giving first press interview and hopefully he will learn this. But his methods are absolutely spot on, he subbed Medhi after 20 as he wasn't happy he should be able to do what he wants to maintain unbelievable high standards.

The message is clear you have to start well, you can't ease into a game or you will be off. I'm all for it. Long may his high demands and standards last and if people don't like it brilliant. As I said on a different post if that puts other clubs off him excellent. He's taking us to the Premiership.

Back to back to back promotions coming.......

swwindon61uk wrote:

dreamofacleansheet2 wrote:
Grim absolutely right. Offered to buy any season tickets back from anyone not happy.

Dear all those on here who aren't happy with the way he's treated Super Sir Wes (who's apologised) please put your hands up and let me know you're going to Paolo for a refund on your season ticket??

As Grim says he also suggests you can and support Oxford whilst he's in charge.

Love both of those. Let's see how much it's going to cost Paolo. Brilliant.

Really is quite simple that does eem to get overlooked,there are fans that did not like the way Wes treated and are still massive fans of PDC and what he is doing for this club.
For some reason some posters don't think you can do both!

Steve. Brentford wrote:

swwindon61uk wrote:

dreamofacleansheet2 wrote:
Grim absolutely right. Offered to buy any season tickets back from anyone not happy.

Dear all those on here who aren't happy with the way he's treated Super Sir Wes (who's apologised) please put your hands up and let me know you're going to Paolo for a refund on your season ticket??

As Grim says he also suggests you can and support Oxford whilst he's in charge.

Love both of those. Let's see how much it's going to cost Paolo. Brilliant.

Really is quite simple that does eem to get overlooked,there are fans that did not like the way Wes treated and are still massive fans of PDC and what he is doing for this club.
For some reason some posters don't think you can do both!

Yes you are spot on swwindon61,sorry Dreamo i think your post is taking the p1ss a little don't you?why would you want to post such sh1t aimed at our fans?i don't understand that one bit.Some may like the "you can go support Oxford" bit,i personally don't like it, i am delighted the sh1t has been sorted, happy that Di Canio is our manager but Swindon fans were here before Paolo and (as much as some will not even consider this bit) we/Swindon fans will be here long after he has moved on.
To sum my feelings up i love most things about our manager but hate the way he has to hang his washing out for all and sundry to see. Lets get this Juggernaut a rolling.

Cookie43 wrote:

RedintheFace wrote:
When PDC was appointed many supporters exiled themselves from their beloved club because he’s a self-professed admirer of fascism and dictatorship. Some couldn’t understand what that had to do with being a football manager. Well now it’s clear. The man’s a self-centred bully who takes pride in humiliating others. Hardly a surprise, he admires Mussolini.

His temperament may not have prevented him playing but it prevents him being a man manager. Even if it’s just coincidence that - Caddis apart - he doesn’t bully white players out of the club.

Fans forgive anything given great results and great passion, and PDC’s delivered that. But the likes of Sturrock or Wilson would have ended up equally admired, given similar resources. The Stoke game showed what can happen when our players are freed from the fear that comes with unreasonable expectations and excessive pressure.

Looks like PDC lost out for once this weekend. Wasn’t it supposed to be a public apology? Wray may have banged heads together in the office but we haven’t seen Wes grovel as the nutter had demanded.

BTW please don’t question my own commitment or call me a pox troll. Season ticket holder and away traveller for many years (highlight Leicester 4-3 and the pens at Charlton, lowlight the playoff semi at Brighton). A supporter still of course - in the sense that people ‘support’ ManU - but give a thought to those of us who won’t attend games, buy shirts or comment on here til there’s a change of management. For that reason it’s unlikely anyone reading this will agree with this post.

To sum it up, the manager is trashing our mighty Club’s finances, its team and its reputation. It does matter that he’s a fascist.

Back at the CG next season to watch us going for the Prem. Under someone with some decency.

MUPPET!!!!
Stay away and never come back
good or bad i support my club home and away
people like you disgust me you are not and i repeat NOT!! a true swindon town fan
If we had your way we would be back to the dark days of Malpass or Hart is that what you want?
apparently Wes had been upping himself on twitter and needed to be brought down a peg or two
I love what Di canio has done to my beloved club league 2 champions and i am sure promotion this season and to all you Paulo slaters remember the dark days and be careful what you wish for!!!
If you went to Stoke you would of seen the passion this man has for us and the club and you repay that with slagging him off. I for one think he is a breath of fresh air i will forever be grateful to him for the success he has delivered and long may it continue.
WE ARE PAULO'S RED AND WHITE ARMY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SAPFanSTFC wrote:

Oi Den! wrote:

stfcknowitall wrote:

Oi Den! wrote:

stfcknowitall wrote: Do we want Di Canio to resign then???? Im guessing by some fickle, ignorant, stupid and totally senseless remarks on here about Paolo's inability to man manage, making mistakes bla bla bla that you want Paolo to walk?? I know lets sack Paolo and bring back Paul Hart and go back to the ''good old days'' where our players are out of steam around the 60 minute mark in a game, the players decide when they can be bothered to train, go out every weekend on the p**s. Oh and have absolutely no respect for the club, fans or manager?? IN PAOLO I TRUST!!

WTF has Paul Hart got to do with any of this or with our players running out of steam after 60 minutes, not bothering to train and going out on the pi55? That was the mess that was left for him at the start of his 7 weeks in charge. It was also the reason Danny Wilson was sacked.

I said 'Paul Hart' as an example, yes wilson was responsible for the mess. Sorry next time ill say, Malpas, Wilson and Hart!! I think you've missed my point somewhat!

No, I haven't. Previous managers are history. PDC simply stands or falls on his own merits. We all know how much he has improved things for us. But you speak as if the only alternative is to go back to an incompetent or unpopular previous manager.

Oh...misreading someone else to your convenience Oi Den!?
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You seem to enjoy mis-representing others points and then having a go at them....then you wonder why they get frustrated at your words/actions!
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Just try putting your opinion on the back-burner, reading the comments in the manner they're intended and then applying a logical response which take the other person's point of view into account...not too much to ask for and then your undoubted intelligence would then shine through in a PROPER debate as opposed to the interpreted version.

Oi Den! wrote:

SAPFanSTFC wrote:

Oi Den! wrote:

stfcknowitall wrote:

Oi Den! wrote:

stfcknowitall wrote: Do we want Di Canio to resign then???? Im guessing by some fickle, ignorant, stupid and totally senseless remarks on here about Paolo's inability to man manage, making mistakes bla bla bla that you want Paolo to walk?? I know lets sack Paolo and bring back Paul Hart and go back to the ''good old days'' where our players are out of steam around the 60 minute mark in a game, the players decide when they can be bothered to train, go out every weekend on the p**s. Oh and have absolutely no respect for the club, fans or manager?? IN PAOLO I TRUST!!

WTF has Paul Hart got to do with any of this or with our players running out of steam after 60 minutes, not bothering to train and going out on the pi55? That was the mess that was left for him at the start of his 7 weeks in charge. It was also the reason Danny Wilson was sacked.

I said 'Paul Hart' as an example, yes wilson was responsible for the mess. Sorry next time ill say, Malpas, Wilson and Hart!! I think you've missed my point somewhat!

No, I haven't. Previous managers are history. PDC simply stands or falls on his own merits. We all know how much he has improved things for us. But you speak as if the only alternative is to go back to an incompetent or unpopular previous manager.

Oh...misreading someone else to your convenience Oi Den!?
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You seem to enjoy mis-representing others points and then having a go at them....then you wonder why they get frustrated at your words/actions!
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Just try putting your opinion on the back-burner, reading the comments in the manner they're intended and then applying a logical response which take the other person's point of view into account...not too much to ask for and then your undoubted intelligence would then shine through in a PROPER debate as opposed to the interpreted version.

Come off it SAP. You are just having a go at me because we had a disagreement over something else.
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I was trying to reply to two separate points. First of all, I thought there was a clear implication of the wrong person being blamed for the shambles of a team inherited by PDC. Secondly, I could not see that any useful purpose is served by the suggestion that we have a choice between PDC and going back to a failed or unpopular manager. If, for whatever reason, PDC were to leave our club, I have every faith that the board would pull out all the stops to make a progressive appointment - so what is the point of "do you want to go back to Hart/Wilson/Malpas?"

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Now, to your advice that I should put my opinion on the back burner. You will be pleased to know that I intend to do just that. I believe everybody is entitled to voice their opinion on here and I have enjoyed the cut and thrust of the debate. Provided it all remains civilised, everbody should be able to say what they like. However, a couple of days ago you overstepped the mark by a very long way, in telling a fellow supporter that he was a vile smell that you would want nowhere near your children. While I put my opinion on the back burner, why don't you try asking yourself what sort of way that is to talk to any fellow human being?

SAPFanSTFC wrote:

dreamofacleansheet2 wrote:
For the avoidance of doubt because there seems to be some suggestion of confusion about my views.

Super Sir Wes is in my opinion the best keeper I've seen in 36 years of supporting the Town, including Messrs Digby, Flowers, Given. I also said in December that I thought if we signed him on loan for the rest of the season we would win the league. Couldn't believe the day we actually signed him on a permanent deal.

Yes he's had a bad game and a half but I don't share other posters views that he's bad on crosses. Show me a keeper that gets every one right and I'll show you Elvis Presley and Lord Lucan having a chat over lunch.

The defense of the whole team from the front has (normally) been amazing but Super Sir Wes has been top draw when called on. The difference between winning games and not at crucial times.

However on this matter I'm 100% behind the manager. Yes he needs to try and calm himself before giving first press interview and hopefully he will learn this. But his methods are absolutely spot on, he subbed Medhi after 20 as he wasn't happy he should be able to do what he wants to maintain unbelievable high standards.

The message is clear you have to start well, you can't ease into a game or you will be off. I'm all for it. Long may his high demands and standards last and if people don't like it brilliant. As I said on a different post if that puts other clubs off him excellent. He's taking us to the Premiership.

Back to back to back promotions coming.......

Hi there Dream'O - Good post!
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Lets also not forget that he is also new and learning - fortunately he recognises he is learning from the best and is back in the fold.
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I've stated numerous times (and I was far from this level) that as a goalie his only short coming is getting out for crosses and out to meet the through ball - against Stoke he got berated 3 times by the defence for standing back - He is better than that and can get out and boss his area.
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PDC knows how good he is but unless he is willing to learn why should PDC waste his time?...Fodders has showed he's a BIG man and life is good...just watch our results through to November - that'll shut the unwarranted out of the shadows 'Moaner Crew'!

Steve. Brentford wrote:

SAPFanSTFC wrote:

dreamofacleansheet2 wrote:
For the avoidance of doubt because there seems to be some suggestion of confusion about my views.

Super Sir Wes is in my opinion the best keeper I've seen in 36 years of supporting the Town, including Messrs Digby, Flowers, Given. I also said in December that I thought if we signed him on loan for the rest of the season we would win the league. Couldn't believe the day we actually signed him on a permanent deal.

Yes he's had a bad game and a half but I don't share other posters views that he's bad on crosses. Show me a keeper that gets every one right and I'll show you Elvis Presley and Lord Lucan having a chat over lunch.

The defense of the whole team from the front has (normally) been amazing but Super Sir Wes has been top draw when called on. The difference between winning games and not at crucial times.

However on this matter I'm 100% behind the manager. Yes he needs to try and calm himself before giving first press interview and hopefully he will learn this. But his methods are absolutely spot on, he subbed Medhi after 20 as he wasn't happy he should be able to do what he wants to maintain unbelievable high standards.

The message is clear you have to start well, you can't ease into a game or you will be off. I'm all for it. Long may his high demands and standards last and if people don't like it brilliant. As I said on a different post if that puts other clubs off him excellent. He's taking us to the Premiership.

Back to back to back promotions coming.......

Hi there Dream'O - Good post!
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Lets also not forget that he is also new and learning - fortunately he recognises he is learning from the best and is back in the fold.
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I've stated numerous times (and I was far from this level) that as a goalie his only short coming is getting out for crosses and out to meet the through ball - against Stoke he got berated 3 times by the defence for standing back - He is better than that and can get out and boss his area.
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PDC knows how good he is but unless he is willing to learn why should PDC waste his time?...Fodders has showed he's a BIG man and life is good...just watch our results through to November - that'll shut the unwarranted out of the shadows 'Moaner Crew'!

Don't see many moaners myself,one or two OTT posts from both sides of the argument, to easy to say some is moaning just because they have an alternative opinion from one`s self but that is what i see,i also see normally decent posters becoming a little antagonistic,

SAPFanSTFC wrote:

Oi Den! wrote:

SAPFanSTFC wrote:

Oi Den! wrote:

stfcknowitall wrote:

Oi Den! wrote:

stfcknowitall wrote: Do we want Di Canio to resign then???? Im guessing by some fickle, ignorant, stupid and totally senseless remarks on here about Paolo's inability to man manage, making mistakes bla bla bla that you want Paolo to walk?? I know lets sack Paolo and bring back Paul Hart and go back to the ''good old days'' where our players are out of steam around the 60 minute mark in a game, the players decide when they can be bothered to train, go out every weekend on the p**s. Oh and have absolutely no respect for the club, fans or manager?? IN PAOLO I TRUST!!

WTF has Paul Hart got to do with any of this or with our players running out of steam after 60 minutes, not bothering to train and going out on the pi55? That was the mess that was left for him at the start of his 7 weeks in charge. It was also the reason Danny Wilson was sacked.

I said 'Paul Hart' as an example, yes wilson was responsible for the mess. Sorry next time ill say, Malpas, Wilson and Hart!! I think you've missed my point somewhat!

No, I haven't. Previous managers are history. PDC simply stands or falls on his own merits. We all know how much he has improved things for us. But you speak as if the only alternative is to go back to an incompetent or unpopular previous manager.

Oh...misreading someone else to your convenience Oi Den!?
..
You seem to enjoy mis-representing others points and then having a go at them....then you wonder why they get frustrated at your words/actions!
--
Just try putting your opinion on the back-burner, reading the comments in the manner they're intended and then applying a logical response which take the other person's point of view into account...not too much to ask for and then your undoubted intelligence would then shine through in a PROPER debate as opposed to the interpreted version.

Come off it SAP. You are just having a go at me because we had a disagreement over something else.
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I was trying to reply to two separate points. First of all, I thought there was a clear implication of the wrong person being blamed for the shambles of a team inherited by PDC. Secondly, I could not see that any useful purpose is served by the suggestion that we have a choice between PDC and going back to a failed or unpopular manager. If, for whatever reason, PDC were to leave our club, I have every faith that the board would pull out all the stops to make a progressive appointment - so what is the point of "do you want to go back to Hart/Wilson/Malpas?"


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Now, to your advice that I should put my opinion on the back burner. You will be pleased to know that I intend to do just that. I believe everybody is entitled to voice their opinion on here and I have enjoyed the cut and thrust of the debate. Provided it all remains civilised, everbody should be able to say what they like. However, a couple of days ago you overstepped the mark by a very long way, in telling a fellow supporter that he was a vile smell that you would want nowhere near your children. While I put my opinion on the back burner, why don't you try asking yourself what sort of way that is to talk to any fellow human being?

Genuine discussion no issue Oi Den - but bad posts don't necessarily need bad words, if you get my drift, the other night I felt the under-riding sentiment was really quite out of order but it is always swept under the carpet.
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All too often those that preach openess don't permit openess of debate and are quick to cut people off - I believe that you are far, far better than that and I'm sure you know I'm better than some of my posts but as per you I have pet hates which bring out the worst in me.
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I think you're right in believing that it is PDC or failure but equally I think that the whole point from STFC was that when did you EVER see such a full on and passionate support of a team and he player himself than PDC - they're all big enough and ugly enough - it IS PDC's way or not at all because it is his reputation....and his future.
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The point is people get on PDC's back the moment he does something they don't agree with yet 99.9% of us have no right to question his morals only to express a disapproval or approval - I wouldn't have done what he did but also I'd have been sacked after 3 weeks in charge - this guy has the players behind him but it is worse than a marriage....most top level footballers are pampered and PDC is making sure that a League 1 player earns the right before he thinks he is the superstar.
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I know you have STFC at heart I just dislike the manner in which discussions are held in packs at times.

Rebel_phish wrote:
Wow. Commented around midday when the count was around 150. This item certainly got some momentum.

Still, all I can say is thank goodness there has been an apology. Now just pick up all the toys and put them back in their respective prams, so you all know where they are whe you want to throw them again.

SAPFanSTFC wrote:

Steve. Brentford wrote:

SAPFanSTFC wrote:

dreamofacleansheet2 wrote:
For the avoidance of doubt because there seems to be some suggestion of confusion about my views.

Super Sir Wes is in my opinion the best keeper I've seen in 36 years of supporting the Town, including Messrs Digby, Flowers, Given. I also said in December that I thought if we signed him on loan for the rest of the season we would win the league. Couldn't believe the day we actually signed him on a permanent deal.

Yes he's had a bad game and a half but I don't share other posters views that he's bad on crosses. Show me a keeper that gets every one right and I'll show you Elvis Presley and Lord Lucan having a chat over lunch.

The defense of the whole team from the front has (normally) been amazing but Super Sir Wes has been top draw when called on. The difference between winning games and not at crucial times.

However on this matter I'm 100% behind the manager. Yes he needs to try and calm himself before giving first press interview and hopefully he will learn this. But his methods are absolutely spot on, he subbed Medhi after 20 as he wasn't happy he should be able to do what he wants to maintain unbelievable high standards.

The message is clear you have to start well, you can't ease into a game or you will be off. I'm all for it. Long may his high demands and standards last and if people don't like it brilliant. As I said on a different post if that puts other clubs off him excellent. He's taking us to the Premiership.

Back to back to back promotions coming.......

Hi there Dream'O - Good post!
...
Lets also not forget that he is also new and learning - fortunately he recognises he is learning from the best and is back in the fold.
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I've stated numerous times (and I was far from this level) that as a goalie his only short coming is getting out for crosses and out to meet the through ball - against Stoke he got berated 3 times by the defence for standing back - He is better than that and can get out and boss his area.
--
PDC knows how good he is but unless he is willing to learn why should PDC waste his time?...Fodders has showed he's a BIG man and life is good...just watch our results through to November - that'll shut the unwarranted out of the shadows 'Moaner Crew'!

Don't see many moaners myself,one or two OTT posts from both sides of the argument, to easy to say some is moaning just because they have an alternative opinion from one`s self but that is what i see,i also see normally decent posters becoming a little antagonistic,

Hi Steve., Not necessarily on this thread but I took a lot of time to read through things on Sunday after the game and it was quite pitiful. The posters names therein were, on the whole, either unknown...which you take with a pinch of salt, were of the ilk that only ever post when they have something bad to say or were of a type who only like to have a go.
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I don't apologise for finding these people's posts unappealing.