The price is right (From Swindon Advertiser)
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SWINDON TOWN: The price is right
6:00am Friday 21st September 2012 in Sport By Sam Morshead
Town's James Collins
SWINDON Town chairman Jeremy Wray has admitted that the Robins got their way after being ordered to pay Shrewsbury £140,000 for the services of James Collins by a tribunal panel.
The up-front free, which could increase to as much as £220,000 based on appearances, was decided by the Professional Football Compensation Committee and is understood to be considerably lower than Shrewsbury’s initial asking price for the striker.
The Shrews are believed to have wanted more than double that for the Republic of Ireland Under 21 international, who turned down the offer of a new contract in Shropshire to move to the County Ground in June.
Wray told the Advertiser that the difference in valuation between the two teams was always likely to cause one club upset come decision day.
He said: “I feel it was inevitable, as there was such a disparity with regards to James Collins, that one party was always likely to feel more aggrieved and probably that party is Shrewsbury.
“It’s not about winning, but we are pleased with the outcome.
“We had a fair hearing. They took note of all the points we raised.”
Shrewsbury expressed their disappointment with the decision, issuing a statement which branded the initial £140,000 fee for Collins as a “derisory recompense”. The Shropshire club revealed that they would only receive £105,000, with Aston Villa due 25 per cent of the sale as part of the arrangement that took Collins to the Shrews.
The statement read: “It is the belief of Shrewsbury Town Football Club that the level of compensation awarded for such a highly valued player undermines the position a club which operates within a prudent financial budget and instead rewards clubs who approach players with highly attractive contracts that can be afforded as they are not having to pay an appropriate fee to the parent club.”
The PFCC also announced yesterday that Swindon owe Exeter an initial £200,000 for Troy Archibald-Henville, who rejected the chance to stay with the Grecians to make the switch to Wiltshire over the summer.
Like Collins, the defender’s add-ons include incremental payments of £20,000 after 15, 30, 45 and 60 appearances for the Robins as well as a 20 per cent sell-on clause.
However, Town will also have to fork out £40,000 should the former Tottenham trainee help Swindon into the Championship and £100,000 if the Robins make it to the Premier League with the centre-back on their payroll.
Wray would be more than happy to pay that final instalment, if that particular moment arrives.
“That’s very much the add-on that we want to end up paying,” he said. “I would like to think Exeter would feel (happy with the decision). They have been very professional in their communications with us the whole way through.
“It was my first experience of one of these things and it was a very thorough process. I was impressed with the depth of their knowledge and understanding in coming up with these numbers.”
Comments(22)
London Red
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7:48am Fri 21 Sep 12
SAPFanSTFC
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7:58am Fri 21 Sep 12
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The results for the last 3 games and the entry for Saturday are on the next page of articles - page down and it'll be there.
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A FULLY up to date league table will be added today....so all set to go forward on a match by match basis.
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Some BIG!! scores in the last 2 games!
Penhill54
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9:05am Fri 21 Sep 12
MITTED
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9:38am Fri 21 Sep 12
Robin of Andover
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10:28am Fri 21 Sep 12
avo
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10:35am Fri 21 Sep 12
MITTED wrote:Very good point. I nearly fell off the sofa and spilt a very good cabernet sauvignon in the process when I saw £200,000 flash up on Sky last night for TAHenville!!
JW is being diplomatic as ever but based the history of these tribunals, who we all know always screwed the selling club, I was gobsmacked by yesterday's announcement. Looking at both Shrewbury's and Exeter's fans' forums they are delighted with the outcome, which makes Shrewsbury's statement all the more bizaar. I hope the decision by this tribunal is evidence that they have learned the lessons of the past and it isn't just a case of Swindon Town being screwed over yet again. I will be watching future tribunals with interest.
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I share your concern and will also be keeping an eye on future tribunal results.
Oi Den!
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10:39am Fri 21 Sep 12
MITTED wrote:Disagree Mitted. I think Wray is just being realistic and saying that if you want decent players, you have to pay decent money for them. I've not seen enough of Archibald-Henville to form a view of him, but Collins seems to be a superb acquisition. Most people seem impressed with both, so I don't see what we have to complain about.
JW is being diplomatic as ever but based the history of these tribunals, who we all know always screwed the selling club, I was gobsmacked by yesterday's announcement. Looking at both Shrewbury's and Exeter's fans' forums they are delighted with the outcome, which makes Shrewsbury's statement all the more bizaar. I hope the decision by this tribunal is evidence that they have learned the lessons of the past and it isn't just a case of Swindon Town being screwed over yet again. I will be watching future tribunals with interest.
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LR, what about developing your point from yesterday and telling JW why you think he is wrong on this? Or is it a question of a rapid change of mind in the light of JW's comments?
Oi Den!
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10:44am Fri 21 Sep 12
MITTED
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10:49am Fri 21 Sep 12
Oi Den! wrote:I think you need to read what I said again. My point is that tribunals of the past have grossly wronged the selling club (us included). This is the the first time that all seems reasonable. My question is that is it a one off and Swindon Town suffer but this time in reverse (as compared to previous decisions) or have the tribunal finally got their **** together and will make fairer decisions for all?
MITTED wrote:Disagree Mitted. I think Wray is just being realistic and saying that if you want decent players, you have to pay decent money for them. I've not seen enough of Archibald-Henville to form a view of him, but Collins seems to be a superb acquisition. Most people seem impressed with both, so I don't see what we have to complain about.
JW is being diplomatic as ever but based the history of these tribunals, who we all know always screwed the selling club, I was gobsmacked by yesterday's announcement. Looking at both Shrewbury's and Exeter's fans' forums they are delighted with the outcome, which makes Shrewsbury's statement all the more bizaar. I hope the decision by this tribunal is evidence that they have learned the lessons of the past and it isn't just a case of Swindon Town being screwed over yet again. I will be watching future tribunals with interest.
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LR, what about developing your point from yesterday and telling JW why you think he is wrong on this? Or is it a question of a rapid change of mind in the light of JW's comments?
Oi Den!
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11:04am Fri 21 Sep 12
MITTED wrote:Apologies Mitted. That's a very fair point. Sorry to have misunderstood.
Oi Den! wrote:I think you need to read what I said again. My point is that tribunals of the past have grossly wronged the selling club (us included). This is the the first time that all seems reasonable. My question is that is it a one off and Swindon Town suffer but this time in reverse (as compared to previous decisions) or have the tribunal finally got their **** together and will make fairer decisions for all?
MITTED wrote:Disagree Mitted. I think Wray is just being realistic and saying that if you want decent players, you have to pay decent money for them. I've not seen enough of Archibald-Henville to form a view of him, but Collins seems to be a superb acquisition. Most people seem impressed with both, so I don't see what we have to complain about.
JW is being diplomatic as ever but based the history of these tribunals, who we all know always screwed the selling club, I was gobsmacked by yesterday's announcement. Looking at both Shrewbury's and Exeter's fans' forums they are delighted with the outcome, which makes Shrewsbury's statement all the more bizaar. I hope the decision by this tribunal is evidence that they have learned the lessons of the past and it isn't just a case of Swindon Town being screwed over yet again. I will be watching future tribunals with interest.
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LR, what about developing your point from yesterday and telling JW why you think he is wrong on this? Or is it a question of a rapid change of mind in the light of JW's comments?
London Red
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11:15am Fri 21 Sep 12
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It also still makes me think maybe we flogged Bodin too cheap - as he got a full Wales call up prior to going - so maybe the Tribunal would have at least given us the fee we got (if not 6 figures) - plus the extra £80k on appearances plus a 20% sell on - so maybe £100k more???
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However- my point above was if Collins scores a shed loads of goals and is then sold for £2m like Cox was - even with the £356k sell-on making his total fee £576k s we will pocket £1.2m proft - making him look a cheap purchase retrospectively
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Cox cost us £845k in the end for our £1.9m - so "only" £1.05m profit
dreamofacleansheet2
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11:24am Fri 21 Sep 12
Personally was really really impressed by him in the first two games of the season. He was calm and authoritative both in air and on ground for me. Fully expect him to start alongside Macca tomorrow and Collins and Williams to start up front. The midfield is anyone's guess!
Really love the ambition in the settlement with Exeter - of course we'll pay you a hundred grand if we get in the Premiership.
Oi Den!
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11:38am Fri 21 Sep 12
dreamofacleansheet2 wrote:Taylor - brave as a lion, and the only player I have ever seen penalised with a free kick for dangerous play by diving in amongst the flying boots and heading the ball. The word legend is bandied about all too often these days but Shaun is second only to the great Donald in my book of Town legends.
Den spot on about Shaun Taylor. What a committed pro he was. In that I don't think Shaun left Exeter to be with Lingy until recently so I'm sure Troy will have benefited from his knowledge and experience prior to joining us.
Personally was really really impressed by him in the first two games of the season. He was calm and authoritative both in air and on ground for me. Fully expect him to start alongside Macca tomorrow and Collins and Williams to start up front. The midfield is anyone's guess!
Really love the ambition in the settlement with Exeter - of course we'll pay you a hundred grand if we get in the Premiership.
dreamofacleansheet2
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12:12pm Fri 21 Sep 12
Week in week out 100% commitment, absolutely legendary as you say. Used to love him and Calderwood coming over to away fans at end of games.
In the famous 6-4 he went off to be stitched up at 1 nil down, came back on at 2 nil down and scored for us just before half time. Never forget the head band a la Butcher (without the blood) that day as Mitchell and Maskell ran wild.
DarrenSTFCRomain
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12:27pm Fri 21 Sep 12
Oi Den! wrote:WHAT A PLAYER...
Just had a thought... the last time we paid Exeter £200k for a central defender it was probably one of the best bits of transfer business the club has ever done. Fingers crossed for similar this time.
He give %150 every game....
stigger
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1:16pm Fri 21 Sep 12
dreamofacleansheet2 wrote:ooh shaun taylor!! one of my favourite town players ever! remember the 6-4 game vividly, used to get many vital goals and would always put his head in where it hurt. Sure he got double figures one season??
Den unusually (!!) I completely agree with you. Would have paid the entrance money to watch him alone, everything I want from a Town player.
Week in week out 100% commitment, absolutely legendary as you say. Used to love him and Calderwood coming over to away fans at end of games.
In the famous 6-4 he went off to be stitched up at 1 nil down, came back on at 2 nil down and scored for us just before half time. Never forget the head band a la Butcher (without the blood) that day as Mitchell and Maskell ran wild.
SeanG92
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1:30pm Fri 21 Sep 12
Does the 20% sell on clause have an expiry date? say the players are with us for 7 years and then we sell them, surely the two clubs dont deserve 20% of the sale then?
London Red
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3:00pm Fri 21 Sep 12
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If we realise a profit whether it is 1 day later or 7 years we have to pay part of it on
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I agree with that - as sell ons are usually on young players and their value tends to go up with time - i.e normally a 27 year old in his prime goes for more than a 21 year old kid - so the club who "lost" that player should get some of that profit
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The time-frame should apply to promotion clauses more than a sell-on
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If we get into the Prem in 7 years seems a bit strange we then have to pay Exeter if Troy is still here - as so many other factors would have seen us achieve that promotion 2nd promotion - i.e a load of other new players!
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If we get there within his orignal contract then fine - he probably could be more of a factor for that
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Anyway - 40k for the Championship and 100k for the Premiership is peanuts compared to the millions we will get for getting there
Wilesy
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5:41pm Fri 21 Sep 12
dreamofacleansheet2 wrote:Exeter have missed a trick though - what about if we get in the Champions League?!
Den spot on about Shaun Taylor. What a committed pro he was. In that I don't think Shaun left Exeter to be with Lingy until recently so I'm sure Troy will have benefited from his knowledge and experience prior to joining us. Personally was really really impressed by him in the first two games of the season. He was calm and authoritative both in air and on ground for me. Fully expect him to start alongside Macca tomorrow and Collins and Williams to start up front. The midfield is anyone's guess! Really love the ambition in the settlement with Exeter - of course we'll pay you a hundred grand if we get in the Premiership.
dreamofacleansheet2
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6:44pm Fri 21 Sep 12
U REDS
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7:31pm Fri 21 Sep 12
smirg kcab says...
6:14am Fri 21 Sep 12
Onwards and upwards