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SWINDON TOWN: Wray to address embargo with fellow board members

Swindon Advertiser: Town boss Paolo Di Canio Town boss Paolo Di Canio

THE SWINDON Town board will sit down in the next few days in an attempt to free the club from its current transfer embargo.

The Robins were banned from registering new players recently after they breached the Financial Fair Play wage cap in League One.

After a tribunal panel ordered Town to pay the combined £340,000 due to Shrewsbury and Exeter for James Collins and Troy Archibald-Henville up front, rather than in separate instalments as the club had budgeted for, Swindon’s projected expenditure on wages and fees rose 1.5 per cent above the 65 per cent-of-turnover maximum dictated by new legislation brought in this season to combat excess spending.

Swindon voted in favour of the Financial Fair Play plans when they were proposed to the Football League member clubs, and chairman Jeremy Wray told the Advertiser that the current situation is not something fans need to worry about.

“The board will discuss it this week and we’ll see what we can do to get it resolved,” he said.

“What is important is that Paolo is able to do his job properly. Clearly he has got enough players to make a team at the moment, what he was saying on Saturday is – with recent injuries – he feels he wants to have the option to dip into the transfer market.

“The truth is we will deal with it as is appropriate. It’s not a problem.”

There are various options available to the Town board as they look to balance the books and free up manager Paolo Di Canio’s options in the transfer market.

Firstly, the Robins could send some of their own players out on loan, with those clubs taking the individuals in question on paying a percentage of their wages.

However, this is unlikely to recoup Swindon much more than £10,000 a month per player and, with Di Canio nursing his squad through various injuries at present and with a first-team roster of just 23 names available to him, it could be a little foolish of Town to allow other clubs to borrow their playing assets.

Secondly, Wray and the County Ground board could consider returning some of those players currently on loan in Wiltshire back to their parent clubs.

Giles Coke is already back at Sheffield Wednesday receiving treatment on a foot injury and John Bostock has not featured much under Di Canio since joining from Tottenham at the end of August, and sending both back could theoretically take a slice off the Swindon wage bill.

However, it is likely that an agreement would have to be reached with Sheffield Wednesday or Tottenham for such a course of action to take place.

And, while Coke’s knock may speed up proceedings, Di Canio spoke recently about his desire to work with Bostock if the playmaker added a more selfless side to his game. The fact that the Italian pursued Bostock throughout the summer goes to suggest that he will not part easily with the midfielder.

In the event that Jay McEveley picks up an injury, Federico Bessone is the only natural left-back available to Di Canio while - with captain Alan McCormack injured - Darren Ward provides experienced cover at the heart of defence, and the Town boss is unlikely to allow either to be returned to their parent clubs.

Any cash injection from the club’s investors would not count towards the turnover figure and therefore only extra, unbudgeted revenue from ticket sales, sponsorship, prize money or TV rights would push Swindon’s expenditure back down below the 65 per cent threshold.

The next, and most obvious, chance for this to happen comes in the shape of the Capital One Cup fourth–round tie against Aston Villa on October 30.

Town missed out on £120,000 when Sky Sports and Capital One overlooked the clash for live broadcast but, should the Robins edge past the Premier League side and set up a tie with another big team in the quarter-finals, then the unbudgeted cash injection from that series of events would almost certainly hand them the capital to pull back inside the financial restraints.

Whatever the solution, Wray has insisted that the board have the issue in hand.

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7:12am Tue 9 Oct 12

mallorca says...

Well JW has made it clear.Is not just the matter of investing funds to compensate the shortfall. Looks as if he is hoping for a result or super gates that have not been budgeted for. The other options do look to be difficult, so Pdc will need to work with what he has untill all these other options are explored.
As to say it is not to worried about by the fans???? I feel an embargo is.
In any case I do feel JW and the Board will resolve this however it will take time. Just look back at monies wasted by Pdc and wonder did he know what he was doing????
Plus if he did get 4 or 5 on loan question is how long before he falls out with them.
Now let us see if Pdc can Manage and by comparion to other FL clubs in division one he still has a massive squad inc injuries so it's a wait and see situation.
We are 4th in the table and have had a brilliant start in div1,so I hope Pdc will adapt to this current situation and do the Club proud
Well JW has made it clear.Is not just the matter of investing funds to compensate the shortfall. Looks as if he is hoping for a result or super gates that have not been budgeted for. The other options do look to be difficult, so Pdc will need to work with what he has untill all these other options are explored. As to say it is not to worried about by the fans???? I feel an embargo is. In any case I do feel JW and the Board will resolve this however it will take time. Just look back at monies wasted by Pdc and wonder did he know what he was doing???? Plus if he did get 4 or 5 on loan question is how long before he falls out with them. Now let us see if Pdc can Manage and by comparion to other FL clubs in division one he still has a massive squad inc injuries so it's a wait and see situation. We are 4th in the table and have had a brilliant start in div1,so I hope Pdc will adapt to this current situation and do the Club proud mallorca
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7:18am Tue 9 Oct 12

KojaktheWarg says...

Yes. Lets see if he can manage. its obviously not clear yet as we only became champions by accident last year not by managing the team. And we are only 4th this year so its all gone wrong since he arrived hasnt it???????

In PDC we trust...
Yes. Lets see if he can manage. its obviously not clear yet as we only became champions by accident last year not by managing the team. And we are only 4th this year so its all gone wrong since he arrived hasnt it??????? In PDC we trust... KojaktheWarg
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7:26am Tue 9 Oct 12

Lutonraker says...

With all the injuries and antics over the last few days I am relieved we don't have a fixture tonight. Everyone needs a rest.
With all the injuries and antics over the last few days I am relieved we don't have a fixture tonight. Everyone needs a rest. Lutonraker
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7:30am Tue 9 Oct 12

jedthered says...

KojaktheWarg wrote:
Yes. Lets see if he can manage. its obviously not clear yet as we only became champions by accident last year not by managing the team. And we are only 4th this year so its all gone wrong since he arrived hasnt it??????? In PDC we trust...
Well said
Onwards and Upwards
[quote][p][bold]KojaktheWarg[/bold] wrote: Yes. Lets see if he can manage. its obviously not clear yet as we only became champions by accident last year not by managing the team. And we are only 4th this year so its all gone wrong since he arrived hasnt it??????? In PDC we trust...[/p][/quote]Well said Onwards and Upwards jedthered
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7:59am Tue 9 Oct 12

ILOVESTFC says...

Sam re your article Swindon is Bessones parent club ? I thought he had left Swansea and joined us permanently on a 6 month deal. So how could he be sent back to his parent club?
Sam re your article Swindon is Bessones parent club ? I thought he had left Swansea and joined us permanently on a 6 month deal. So how could he be sent back to his parent club? ILOVESTFC
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8:00am Tue 9 Oct 12

stigger says...

pedantic i know, but Bessone is a Swindon player signed on 6 month permanent deal.
pedantic i know, but Bessone is a Swindon player signed on 6 month permanent deal. stigger
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8:01am Tue 9 Oct 12

stigger says...

ILOVESTFC wrote:
Sam re your article Swindon is Bessones parent club ? I thought he had left Swansea and joined us permanently on a 6 month deal. So how could he be sent back to his parent club?
beat me to it!!
[quote][p][bold]ILOVESTFC[/bold] wrote: Sam re your article Swindon is Bessones parent club ? I thought he had left Swansea and joined us permanently on a 6 month deal. So how could he be sent back to his parent club?[/p][/quote]beat me to it!! stigger
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8:02am Tue 9 Oct 12

Rhs Boydy says...

It'll be interesting to see us send Bessone back to his parent club.
After all it was widely reported and confirmed by Bessone in an article for this paper that he was released by Swansea so he could sign a 6 month contract here at his behest.
It'll be interesting to see us send Bessone back to his parent club. After all it was widely reported and confirmed by Bessone in an article for this paper that he was released by Swansea so he could sign a 6 month contract here at his behest. Rhs Boydy
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8:09am Tue 9 Oct 12

Since 1950 says...

I don't think Paolo can complain too much. There can be few, if any, of his predecessors who have had such backing from a Town boardroom. He'll just have to manage the situation. All clubs go through injury and suspension problems at some stage of the season. Ours seems to have arrived alarmingly early.
This is a tricky situation though if, as Mr Wray says, any more money they pump into the Club can't be seen as income.
Thanks Sky! We can all look forward to ManU boys v Chelsea 3rd team on TV instead of a meaningful tie with a good chance of a giant killing. What a treat!
I don't think Paolo can complain too much. There can be few, if any, of his predecessors who have had such backing from a Town boardroom. He'll just have to manage the situation. All clubs go through injury and suspension problems at some stage of the season. Ours seems to have arrived alarmingly early. This is a tricky situation though if, as Mr Wray says, any more money they pump into the Club can't be seen as income. Thanks Sky! We can all look forward to ManU boys v Chelsea 3rd team on TV instead of a meaningful tie with a good chance of a giant killing. What a treat! Since 1950
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8:13am Tue 9 Oct 12

London Red says...

Back in the summer it was stated that cash injections in the form of equity did count and that was the primary reason of the £2m injection to boost our playing budget to the rumoured £4m
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Now it is saying it doesn't count
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Which is it on equity?
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Now the adver have confirmed we only have 23 player available if fit - can people please stop saying we have a massive squad of 26+ as that simply is not the case!
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Bessone is on a perm so can't be sent back - but I think it makes he point that with only 3 loanees we don't really have the scope to sen them back
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Yes it would free up wages but that would then create a gap elsewhere while we plug a different one
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i.e. send Bostock back to get a forward - Miller or Navarro get injured and we suddenly are short in CM
.
If equity doesn't count I guess promotions to try boost gate receipts (despite these not really working in the past) until Jan where cash can be raised by selling Caddis is the only real viable option
Back in the summer it was stated that cash injections in the form of equity did count and that was the primary reason of the £2m injection to boost our playing budget to the rumoured £4m . Now it is saying it doesn't count . Which is it on equity? . Now the adver have confirmed we only have 23 player available if fit - can people please stop saying we have a massive squad of 26+ as that simply is not the case! . Bessone is on a perm so can't be sent back - but I think it makes he point that with only 3 loanees we don't really have the scope to sen them back . Yes it would free up wages but that would then create a gap elsewhere while we plug a different one . i.e. send Bostock back to get a forward - Miller or Navarro get injured and we suddenly are short in CM . If equity doesn't count I guess promotions to try boost gate receipts (despite these not really working in the past) until Jan where cash can be raised by selling Caddis is the only real viable option London Red
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8:23am Tue 9 Oct 12

the don69 says...

London Red wrote:
Back in the summer it was stated that cash injections in the form of equity did count and that was the primary reason of the £2m injection to boost our playing budget to the rumoured £4m
.
Now it is saying it doesn't count
.
Which is it on equity?
.
Now the adver have confirmed we only have 23 player available if fit - can people please stop saying we have a massive squad of 26+ as that simply is not the case!
.
Bessone is on a perm so can't be sent back - but I think it makes he point that with only 3 loanees we don't really have the scope to sen them back
.
Yes it would free up wages but that would then create a gap elsewhere while we plug a different one
.
i.e. send Bostock back to get a forward - Miller or Navarro get injured and we suddenly are short in CM
.
If equity doesn't count I guess promotions to try boost gate receipts (despite these not really working in the past) until Jan where cash can be raised by selling Caddis is the only real viable option
Just a thought!how about Paolo his staff and all the players take a pay cut!like most people in the country have been doing!don't hold your breath on that one Chaps!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Back in the summer it was stated that cash injections in the form of equity did count and that was the primary reason of the £2m injection to boost our playing budget to the rumoured £4m . Now it is saying it doesn't count . Which is it on equity? . Now the adver have confirmed we only have 23 player available if fit - can people please stop saying we have a massive squad of 26+ as that simply is not the case! . Bessone is on a perm so can't be sent back - but I think it makes he point that with only 3 loanees we don't really have the scope to sen them back . Yes it would free up wages but that would then create a gap elsewhere while we plug a different one . i.e. send Bostock back to get a forward - Miller or Navarro get injured and we suddenly are short in CM . If equity doesn't count I guess promotions to try boost gate receipts (despite these not really working in the past) until Jan where cash can be raised by selling Caddis is the only real viable option[/p][/quote]Just a thought!how about Paolo his staff and all the players take a pay cut!like most people in the country have been doing!don't hold your breath on that one Chaps!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!! the don69
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8:29am Tue 9 Oct 12

Another view says...

I for one am reassured that we have a wise head in Jeremy Wray steering this ship.

There is always a player who turns out to be more adaptable than thought, so the idea that we need two specialists in every position - after allowing for injuries - sounds over the top for a division one club.
I for one am reassured that we have a wise head in Jeremy Wray steering this ship. There is always a player who turns out to be more adaptable than thought, so the idea that we need two specialists in every position - after allowing for injuries - sounds over the top for a division one club. Another view
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8:38am Tue 9 Oct 12

old town robin says...

I believe Besonne signed a 6 month contract, he is our player, so don't know why Sam would think we have the option to return him to Swansea. PdC has said in the past he wouldn't bring anyone in unless they were better than what he already has, don't know where he thinks he might find such a player with the required level of fitness he demands, most clubs will want to keep their decent players.

Didn't hear or read anything as to why Raffa wasn't included Saturday, was he injured? Left midfield shouldn't be a big concern with Roberts out, Luke Rooney is due back within a week or two and can be a decent asset. He is getting game time at Burton but was substituted on Saturday. If Right back is his other concern, then I could see that being an issue if Thompson is injured although I'm sure Devera would still be decent cover. The only other injury is Williams and we still have 3 or 4 to choose from up front. Benson, Adam Rooney, Collins and Storey.

Apart from the obvious if we lossed Wes to injury, don't see the need to panic with more loanees, especially if they are no better than what we already have. The embargo is not going to be lifted before the end of October, by which time one would hope Williams and Roberts will return.

From now until November we need some decent gates against the likes of Sheffield Utd, Coventry in the league and Villa in the league cup. The season ticket holders are already accounted for, so more home and visiting supporters would help the revenue considerably. We should be looking at 10k gates in the league and a sell out for the Villa game, anyone know how many tickets were allocated to them.

The marketing dept could also look at ways of increasing revenue with sponsorship or maybe some special deals for dads to bring the kids and fill up the bank for games like scunthorpe who we know will hardly bring any supporters of their own. Wonder if the people will sponsor us again this year in the FA cup, think they got a good deal out of us last year.
I believe Besonne signed a 6 month contract, he is our player, so don't know why Sam would think we have the option to return him to Swansea. PdC has said in the past he wouldn't bring anyone in unless they were better than what he already has, don't know where he thinks he might find such a player with the required level of fitness he demands, most clubs will want to keep their decent players. Didn't hear or read anything as to why Raffa wasn't included Saturday, was he injured? Left midfield shouldn't be a big concern with Roberts out, Luke Rooney is due back within a week or two and can be a decent asset. He is getting game time at Burton but was substituted on Saturday. If Right back is his other concern, then I could see that being an issue if Thompson is injured although I'm sure Devera would still be decent cover. The only other injury is Williams and we still have 3 or 4 to choose from up front. Benson, Adam Rooney, Collins and Storey. Apart from the obvious if we lossed Wes to injury, don't see the need to panic with more loanees, especially if they are no better than what we already have. The embargo is not going to be lifted before the end of October, by which time one would hope Williams and Roberts will return. From now until November we need some decent gates against the likes of Sheffield Utd, Coventry in the league and Villa in the league cup. The season ticket holders are already accounted for, so more home and visiting supporters would help the revenue considerably. We should be looking at 10k gates in the league and a sell out for the Villa game, anyone know how many tickets were allocated to them. The marketing dept could also look at ways of increasing revenue with sponsorship or maybe some special deals for dads to bring the kids and fill up the bank for games like scunthorpe who we know will hardly bring any supporters of their own. Wonder if the people will sponsor us again this year in the FA cup, think they got a good deal out of us last year. old town robin
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8:41am Tue 9 Oct 12

the wizard says...

LR,

If we do sell Caddis, lets hope we get his true worth, and not a knocked down figure because we are seen to be "wanting the cash".

I think you understand the financial side better than most, perhaps you could clarify what the board can do, in more simplistic terms.

Thinking back, does this bear any relevance to why Creepies had to sell Tubbs last season.
LR, If we do sell Caddis, lets hope we get his true worth, and not a knocked down figure because we are seen to be "wanting the cash". I think you understand the financial side better than most, perhaps you could clarify what the board can do, in more simplistic terms. Thinking back, does this bear any relevance to why Creepies had to sell Tubbs last season. the wizard
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9:03am Tue 9 Oct 12

Stratton Red says...

the wizard wrote:
LR, If we do sell Caddis, lets hope we get his true worth, and not a knocked down figure because we are seen to be "wanting the cash". I think you understand the financial side better than most, perhaps you could clarify what the board can do, in more simplistic terms. Thinking back, does this bear any relevance to why Creepies had to sell Tubbs last season.
I thought our days of not being a selling club in need of cash were over.
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Is it me or does this feel nothing more than a storm in a tea cup?
*
At the end of day the simple truth is the lions share of the 65% rule is determined by gate receipts and as Den said yesterday with a 30 mile catchment area, a potential 150,000 fan base+, our gates are poor...
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: LR, If we do sell Caddis, lets hope we get his true worth, and not a knocked down figure because we are seen to be "wanting the cash". I think you understand the financial side better than most, perhaps you could clarify what the board can do, in more simplistic terms. Thinking back, does this bear any relevance to why Creepies had to sell Tubbs last season.[/p][/quote]I thought our days of not being a selling club in need of cash were over. * Is it me or does this feel nothing more than a storm in a tea cup? * At the end of day the simple truth is the lions share of the 65% rule is determined by gate receipts and as Den said yesterday with a 30 mile catchment area, a potential 150,000 fan base+, our gates are poor... Stratton Red
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9:14am Tue 9 Oct 12

Davidsyrett says...

As I said yesterday, the board cannot just keep pumping money into the club, we have to a certain extent be self sufficient.

I would like to see a bigger effort to increase the revenue via attendance and merchandise sale's.

It still seems to me that the one thing the club have been a little complacent about is promoting the matches. How about running free coaches to surrounding areas to pick up fans. A £5 voucher with every ticket to be redeemed in the club shop, open up Stratton Bank for cheaper family tickets.

We keep talking about ground redevelopment but the attendances have to start rising to make it viable.
As I said yesterday, the board cannot just keep pumping money into the club, we have to a certain extent be self sufficient. I would like to see a bigger effort to increase the revenue via attendance and merchandise sale's. It still seems to me that the one thing the club have been a little complacent about is promoting the matches. How about running free coaches to surrounding areas to pick up fans. A £5 voucher with every ticket to be redeemed in the club shop, open up Stratton Bank for cheaper family tickets. We keep talking about ground redevelopment but the attendances have to start rising to make it viable. Davidsyrett
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9:41am Tue 9 Oct 12

Is that you Lovesey says...

This is all nothing about nothing, PDC likes honesty with the fans, so he was telling us about the embargo and the reasons we could struggle, but at the same time putting pressure on the board to resolve the issue.

We have a good enough squad IMO to compete at this level, maybe PDC will have to play the same team a few time which is what most sides have to do....

We will miss Williams....
This is all nothing about nothing, PDC likes honesty with the fans, so he was telling us about the embargo and the reasons we could struggle, but at the same time putting pressure on the board to resolve the issue. We have a good enough squad IMO to compete at this level, maybe PDC will have to play the same team a few time which is what most sides have to do.... We will miss Williams.... Is that you Lovesey
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9:41am Tue 9 Oct 12

Oi Den! says...

London Red wrote:
Back in the summer it was stated that cash injections in the form of equity did count and that was the primary reason of the £2m injection to boost our playing budget to the rumoured £4m
.
Now it is saying it doesn't count
.
Which is it on equity?
.
Now the adver have confirmed we only have 23 player available if fit - can people please stop saying we have a massive squad of 26+ as that simply is not the case!
.
Bessone is on a perm so can't be sent back - but I think it makes he point that with only 3 loanees we don't really have the scope to sen them back
.
Yes it would free up wages but that would then create a gap elsewhere while we plug a different one
.
i.e. send Bostock back to get a forward - Miller or Navarro get injured and we suddenly are short in CM
.
If equity doesn't count I guess promotions to try boost gate receipts (despite these not really working in the past) until Jan where cash can be raised by selling Caddis is the only real viable option
I could never see why investing in equity should count as turnover any more than loans should. If the whole objective is to prevent clubs from being too powerful because of their financial backing, why would they be allowed to count equity investment as turnover? I expect the full details of the rules are somewhere on the FL website.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Back in the summer it was stated that cash injections in the form of equity did count and that was the primary reason of the £2m injection to boost our playing budget to the rumoured £4m . Now it is saying it doesn't count . Which is it on equity? . Now the adver have confirmed we only have 23 player available if fit - can people please stop saying we have a massive squad of 26+ as that simply is not the case! . Bessone is on a perm so can't be sent back - but I think it makes he point that with only 3 loanees we don't really have the scope to sen them back . Yes it would free up wages but that would then create a gap elsewhere while we plug a different one . i.e. send Bostock back to get a forward - Miller or Navarro get injured and we suddenly are short in CM . If equity doesn't count I guess promotions to try boost gate receipts (despite these not really working in the past) until Jan where cash can be raised by selling Caddis is the only real viable option[/p][/quote]I could never see why investing in equity should count as turnover any more than loans should. If the whole objective is to prevent clubs from being too powerful because of their financial backing, why would they be allowed to count equity investment as turnover? I expect the full details of the rules are somewhere on the FL website. Oi Den!
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9:52am Tue 9 Oct 12

SAPFanSTFC says...

old town robin wrote:
I believe Besonne signed a 6 month contract, he is our player, so don't know why Sam would think we have the option to return him to Swansea. PdC has said in the past he wouldn't bring anyone in unless they were better than what he already has, don't know where he thinks he might find such a player with the required level of fitness he demands, most clubs will want to keep their decent players.

Didn't hear or read anything as to why Raffa wasn't included Saturday, was he injured? Left midfield shouldn't be a big concern with Roberts out, Luke Rooney is due back within a week or two and can be a decent asset. He is getting game time at Burton but was substituted on Saturday. If Right back is his other concern, then I could see that being an issue if Thompson is injured although I'm sure Devera would still be decent cover. The only other injury is Williams and we still have 3 or 4 to choose from up front. Benson, Adam Rooney, Collins and Storey.

Apart from the obvious if we lossed Wes to injury, don't see the need to panic with more loanees, especially if they are no better than what we already have. The embargo is not going to be lifted before the end of October, by which time one would hope Williams and Roberts will return.

From now until November we need some decent gates against the likes of Sheffield Utd, Coventry in the league and Villa in the league cup. The season ticket holders are already accounted for, so more home and visiting supporters would help the revenue considerably. We should be looking at 10k gates in the league and a sell out for the Villa game, anyone know how many tickets were allocated to them.

The marketing dept could also look at ways of increasing revenue with sponsorship or maybe some special deals for dads to bring the kids and fill up the bank for games like scunthorpe who we know will hardly bring any supporters of their own. Wonder if the people will sponsor us again this year in the FA cup, think they got a good deal out of us last year.
Like minds...!?...almost a duplicate of my posts elsewhere.
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Like you I'm keen to see some added extras on special deals and the Stratton Bank idea of yours is a good one - with 6,000 out of the current 7,500 being Season Tickets there must be a way to put extra bums on seats....what is the population of Swindon?...surely 8,500 - 9,000 is not unobtainable for a team in the play-off slots?
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The problem with any deal is that the extra 1,500 at an average of £20 when taking concessions etc. into account (£30,000) would need an extra 500 at an average of £15 to break even...or an extra 1,000 at an average of £12 a seat.
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I know your investing in the future but with a free kiddies place for every adult I do think that STFC have done quite a bit.
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What I'm unsure about is WHAT if anything they can do given we're not sending loans back, selling or loaning out?....I don't see any options given what I understand of the rules....
....also did all the pay-offs come out of the playing budget or were were they all or in part classified as special payments and therefore did not affect the wage cap calculation?
[quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: I believe Besonne signed a 6 month contract, he is our player, so don't know why Sam would think we have the option to return him to Swansea. PdC has said in the past he wouldn't bring anyone in unless they were better than what he already has, don't know where he thinks he might find such a player with the required level of fitness he demands, most clubs will want to keep their decent players. Didn't hear or read anything as to why Raffa wasn't included Saturday, was he injured? Left midfield shouldn't be a big concern with Roberts out, Luke Rooney is due back within a week or two and can be a decent asset. He is getting game time at Burton but was substituted on Saturday. If Right back is his other concern, then I could see that being an issue if Thompson is injured although I'm sure Devera would still be decent cover. The only other injury is Williams and we still have 3 or 4 to choose from up front. Benson, Adam Rooney, Collins and Storey. Apart from the obvious if we lossed Wes to injury, don't see the need to panic with more loanees, especially if they are no better than what we already have. The embargo is not going to be lifted before the end of October, by which time one would hope Williams and Roberts will return. From now until November we need some decent gates against the likes of Sheffield Utd, Coventry in the league and Villa in the league cup. The season ticket holders are already accounted for, so more home and visiting supporters would help the revenue considerably. We should be looking at 10k gates in the league and a sell out for the Villa game, anyone know how many tickets were allocated to them. The marketing dept could also look at ways of increasing revenue with sponsorship or maybe some special deals for dads to bring the kids and fill up the bank for games like scunthorpe who we know will hardly bring any supporters of their own. Wonder if the people will sponsor us again this year in the FA cup, think they got a good deal out of us last year.[/p][/quote]Like minds...!?...almost a duplicate of my posts elsewhere. ---. Like you I'm keen to see some added extras on special deals and the Stratton Bank idea of yours is a good one - with 6,000 out of the current 7,500 being Season Tickets there must be a way to put extra bums on seats....what is the population of Swindon?...surely 8,500 - 9,000 is not unobtainable for a team in the play-off slots? ---. The problem with any deal is that the extra 1,500 at an average of £20 when taking concessions etc. into account (£30,000) would need an extra 500 at an average of £15 to break even...or an extra 1,000 at an average of £12 a seat. ---. I know your investing in the future but with a free kiddies place for every adult I do think that STFC have done quite a bit. ... What I'm unsure about is WHAT if anything they can do given we're not sending loans back, selling or loaning out?....I don't see any options given what I understand of the rules.... ....also did all the pay-offs come out of the playing budget or were were they all or in part classified as special payments and therefore did not affect the wage cap calculation? SAPFanSTFC
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9:54am Tue 9 Oct 12

SAPFanSTFC says...

....sorry just as an extra question to the above:
---.
Does anyone know who is definitely injured and for how long?
....sorry just as an extra question to the above: ---. Does anyone know who is definitely injured and for how long? SAPFanSTFC
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10:00am Tue 9 Oct 12

Oi Den! says...

Another view wrote:
I for one am reassured that we have a wise head in Jeremy Wray steering this ship.

There is always a player who turns out to be more adaptable than thought, so the idea that we need two specialists in every position - after allowing for injuries - sounds over the top for a division one club.
Completely agree. Having two players for every position is a luxury, not a necessity. It's not as if all footballers are born to play in one specific position.
[quote][p][bold]Another view[/bold] wrote: I for one am reassured that we have a wise head in Jeremy Wray steering this ship. There is always a player who turns out to be more adaptable than thought, so the idea that we need two specialists in every position - after allowing for injuries - sounds over the top for a division one club.[/p][/quote]Completely agree. Having two players for every position is a luxury, not a necessity. It's not as if all footballers are born to play in one specific position. Oi Den!
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10:03am Tue 9 Oct 12

california andy says...

I think another option is to obtain additional sponsorship. I seem to remember Man City doing this with their stadium to allow them to do an end run around the rules and continue to splash the cash. May not be a realistic option for Swindon though. Come on Honda, you know you ought to do it!
I think another option is to obtain additional sponsorship. I seem to remember Man City doing this with their stadium to allow them to do an end run around the rules and continue to splash the cash. May not be a realistic option for Swindon though. Come on Honda, you know you ought to do it! california andy
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10:08am Tue 9 Oct 12

MITTED says...

London Red wrote:
Back in the summer it was stated that cash injections in the form of equity did count and that was the primary reason of the £2m injection to boost our playing budget to the rumoured £4m
.
Now it is saying it doesn't count
.
Which is it on equity?
.
Now the adver have confirmed we only have 23 player available if fit - can people please stop saying we have a massive squad of 26+ as that simply is not the case!
.
Bessone is on a perm so can't be sent back - but I think it makes he point that with only 3 loanees we don't really have the scope to sen them back
.
Yes it would free up wages but that would then create a gap elsewhere while we plug a different one
.
i.e. send Bostock back to get a forward - Miller or Navarro get injured and we suddenly are short in CM
.
If equity doesn't count I guess promotions to try boost gate receipts (despite these not really working in the past) until Jan where cash can be raised by selling Caddis is the only real viable option
LR, you are mistaken (some might say yet again!) The £2m you refer to was originally a loan to the club which had long since been absorbed. The unnamed source agreed to turn the outstanding loan into investment in the club). The only people who said it was a boost to PDC's budget were the speculative key-board warriors. Seeing as the financial fair play rules only came into force at the start of this season, whether any investment prior to that "did count" in the then playing budget is irrelavent. Please don't go off an a 2000 word essay...............
......
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Back in the summer it was stated that cash injections in the form of equity did count and that was the primary reason of the £2m injection to boost our playing budget to the rumoured £4m . Now it is saying it doesn't count . Which is it on equity? . Now the adver have confirmed we only have 23 player available if fit - can people please stop saying we have a massive squad of 26+ as that simply is not the case! . Bessone is on a perm so can't be sent back - but I think it makes he point that with only 3 loanees we don't really have the scope to sen them back . Yes it would free up wages but that would then create a gap elsewhere while we plug a different one . i.e. send Bostock back to get a forward - Miller or Navarro get injured and we suddenly are short in CM . If equity doesn't count I guess promotions to try boost gate receipts (despite these not really working in the past) until Jan where cash can be raised by selling Caddis is the only real viable option[/p][/quote]LR, you are mistaken (some might say yet again!) The £2m you refer to was originally a loan to the club which had long since been absorbed. The unnamed source agreed to turn the outstanding loan into investment in the club). The only people who said it was a boost to PDC's budget were the speculative key-board warriors. Seeing as the financial fair play rules only came into force at the start of this season, whether any investment prior to that "did count" in the then playing budget is irrelavent. Please don't go off an a 2000 word essay............... ...... MITTED
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10:12am Tue 9 Oct 12

the wizard says...

After carrying out a sort of survey among family and friends in Swindon and surrounding area, there seems to be a lot of apathy towards the club because of the way it was run before the new board took over, especially among the older people asked.

Its all down to the past. Everyone has said the club seems to be doing well, but are none committal because our present upwards journey is only seen as a temporary one. The question often asked is how long will it be before the club is on its uppers again, so the present situation does little to help that as people surmise the facts rather than check them out.
Marketing aimed at the younger generations I see as they way forwards, schools, clubs, colleges even concessions to larger companies where perhaps a deal can be done as many have suggested before on say books of tickets at a good price, say five tickets over a choice of ten listed games. A promotion of half season tickets at Xmas, again at a promotional price for a limited period, in an effort to get S/T sales up from where it is.
After carrying out a sort of survey among family and friends in Swindon and surrounding area, there seems to be a lot of apathy towards the club because of the way it was run before the new board took over, especially among the older people asked. Its all down to the past. Everyone has said the club seems to be doing well, but are none committal because our present upwards journey is only seen as a temporary one. The question often asked is how long will it be before the club is on its uppers again, so the present situation does little to help that as people surmise the facts rather than check them out. Marketing aimed at the younger generations I see as they way forwards, schools, clubs, colleges even concessions to larger companies where perhaps a deal can be done as many have suggested before on say books of tickets at a good price, say five tickets over a choice of ten listed games. A promotion of half season tickets at Xmas, again at a promotional price for a limited period, in an effort to get S/T sales up from where it is. the wizard
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10:14am Tue 9 Oct 12

pdc does wot he wants says...

Since 1950 wrote:
I don't think Paolo can complain too much. There can be few, if any, of his predecessors who have had such backing from a Town boardroom. He'll just have to manage the situation. All clubs go through injury and suspension problems at some stage of the season. Ours seems to have arrived alarmingly early. This is a tricky situation though if, as Mr Wray says, any more money they pump into the Club can't be seen as income. Thanks Sky! We can all look forward to ManU boys v Chelsea 3rd team on TV instead of a meaningful tie with a good chance of a giant killing. What a treat!
agree with the first part of the quote. pdc said on saturday that he is one of the best managers then i think it is time to stop moaning and prove it . you do not need five new players every time we dont play very well or get an injury or 2 im probaly going to get slated for this but i think mccormack getting injured insnt too bad a thing because he has not been very good at all this season and i think this is the only way he was not going to play and strait away we keep a clean sheet.
As for the villa game if you want to watch it buy a ticket like everyone else..
[quote][p][bold]Since 1950[/bold] wrote: I don't think Paolo can complain too much. There can be few, if any, of his predecessors who have had such backing from a Town boardroom. He'll just have to manage the situation. All clubs go through injury and suspension problems at some stage of the season. Ours seems to have arrived alarmingly early. This is a tricky situation though if, as Mr Wray says, any more money they pump into the Club can't be seen as income. Thanks Sky! We can all look forward to ManU boys v Chelsea 3rd team on TV instead of a meaningful tie with a good chance of a giant killing. What a treat![/p][/quote]agree with the first part of the quote. pdc said on saturday that he is one of the best managers then i think it is time to stop moaning and prove it . you do not need five new players every time we dont play very well or get an injury or 2 im probaly going to get slated for this but i think mccormack getting injured insnt too bad a thing because he has not been very good at all this season and i think this is the only way he was not going to play and strait away we keep a clean sheet. As for the villa game if you want to watch it buy a ticket like everyone else.. pdc does wot he wants
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11:00am Tue 9 Oct 12

madterrier says...

I just don't get this and am beginning to get fed up with the antics.

These are his players he signed. Play them when we get an injury - not demolish their confidence by always needing new players whenever something goes wrong.

We have Flint, Ward, Devera and Archie as central defenders. So what on earth is the problem there??

Up front we have Bostock, Rooney, De Vita, Benson. These are Di Canio's signings. Maybe this is the time to switch formation and try a 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 and bring some of these players, particularly Bostock, into the reckoning.

But I am really getting tired of these unnecessary and unhelpful rants. Helps no-one.
I just don't get this and am beginning to get fed up with the antics. These are his players he signed. Play them when we get an injury - not demolish their confidence by always needing new players whenever something goes wrong. We have Flint, Ward, Devera and Archie as central defenders. So what on earth is the problem there?? Up front we have Bostock, Rooney, De Vita, Benson. These are Di Canio's signings. Maybe this is the time to switch formation and try a 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 and bring some of these players, particularly Bostock, into the reckoning. But I am really getting tired of these unnecessary and unhelpful rants. Helps no-one. madterrier
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11:09am Tue 9 Oct 12

Rogersalegend says...

Surely PDC should be trying to create a good team from the players he has and obtain a couple each season to get to the next level.
Whats he going to do when we get promoted again, buy another 13 players ?
Is this the way STFC are going a different team each season just to get short term success ? We all know what happened last time that happened, huge debts.
Surely PDC should be trying to create a good team from the players he has and obtain a couple each season to get to the next level. Whats he going to do when we get promoted again, buy another 13 players ? Is this the way STFC are going a different team each season just to get short term success ? We all know what happened last time that happened, huge debts. Rogersalegend
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11:09am Tue 9 Oct 12

Angolan Red says...

Decanio has to wake up and smell the coffee, we have enough players its just Decanios childish behaviour in openly critising players ones that hes signed does nothing for confidence. Stop moaning cut your cloth to the budget we have. Come January bring back Caddis who makes Ritchie a better player and if Decanio doesnt like it show Decanio the door before he walks away leaving the club in debt undoing all Fittons good work
Decanio has to wake up and smell the coffee, we have enough players its just Decanios childish behaviour in openly critising players ones that hes signed does nothing for confidence. Stop moaning cut your cloth to the budget we have. Come January bring back Caddis who makes Ritchie a better player and if Decanio doesnt like it show Decanio the door before he walks away leaving the club in debt undoing all Fittons good work Angolan Red
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11:27am Tue 9 Oct 12

the don69 says...

MITTED wrote:
London Red wrote:
Back in the summer it was stated that cash injections in the form of equity did count and that was the primary reason of the £2m injection to boost our playing budget to the rumoured £4m
.
Now it is saying it doesn't count
.
Which is it on equity?
.
Now the adver have confirmed we only have 23 player available if fit - can people please stop saying we have a massive squad of 26+ as that simply is not the case!
.
Bessone is on a perm so can't be sent back - but I think it makes he point that with only 3 loanees we don't really have the scope to sen them back
.
Yes it would free up wages but that would then create a gap elsewhere while we plug a different one
.
i.e. send Bostock back to get a forward - Miller or Navarro get injured and we suddenly are short in CM
.
If equity doesn't count I guess promotions to try boost gate receipts (despite these not really working in the past) until Jan where cash can be raised by selling Caddis is the only real viable option
LR, you are mistaken (some might say yet again!) The £2m you refer to was originally a loan to the club which had long since been absorbed. The unnamed source agreed to turn the outstanding loan into investment in the club). The only people who said it was a boost to PDC's budget were the speculative key-board warriors. Seeing as the financial fair play rules only came into force at the start of this season, whether any investment prior to that "did count" in the then playing budget is irrelavent. Please don't go off an a 2000 word essay...............

......
That's what I thought Mitted????????
[quote][p][bold]MITTED[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Back in the summer it was stated that cash injections in the form of equity did count and that was the primary reason of the £2m injection to boost our playing budget to the rumoured £4m . Now it is saying it doesn't count . Which is it on equity? . Now the adver have confirmed we only have 23 player available if fit - can people please stop saying we have a massive squad of 26+ as that simply is not the case! . Bessone is on a perm so can't be sent back - but I think it makes he point that with only 3 loanees we don't really have the scope to sen them back . Yes it would free up wages but that would then create a gap elsewhere while we plug a different one . i.e. send Bostock back to get a forward - Miller or Navarro get injured and we suddenly are short in CM . If equity doesn't count I guess promotions to try boost gate receipts (despite these not really working in the past) until Jan where cash can be raised by selling Caddis is the only real viable option[/p][/quote]LR, you are mistaken (some might say yet again!) The £2m you refer to was originally a loan to the club which had long since been absorbed. The unnamed source agreed to turn the outstanding loan into investment in the club). The only people who said it was a boost to PDC's budget were the speculative key-board warriors. Seeing as the financial fair play rules only came into force at the start of this season, whether any investment prior to that "did count" in the then playing budget is irrelavent. Please don't go off an a 2000 word essay............... ......[/p][/quote]That's what I thought Mitted???????? the don69
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11:47am Tue 9 Oct 12

grove red says...

old town robin wrote:
I believe Besonne signed a 6 month contract, he is our player, so don't know why Sam would think we have the option to return him to Swansea. PdC has said in the past he wouldn't bring anyone in unless they were better than what he already has, don't know where he thinks he might find such a player with the required level of fitness he demands, most clubs will want to keep their decent players. Didn't hear or read anything as to why Raffa wasn't included Saturday, was he injured? Left midfield shouldn't be a big concern with Roberts out, Luke Rooney is due back within a week or two and can be a decent asset. He is getting game time at Burton but was substituted on Saturday. If Right back is his other concern, then I could see that being an issue if Thompson is injured although I'm sure Devera would still be decent cover. The only other injury is Williams and we still have 3 or 4 to choose from up front. Benson, Adam Rooney, Collins and Storey. Apart from the obvious if we lossed Wes to injury, don't see the need to panic with more loanees, especially if they are no better than what we already have. The embargo is not going to be lifted before the end of October, by which time one would hope Williams and Roberts will return. From now until November we need some decent gates against the likes of Sheffield Utd, Coventry in the league and Villa in the league cup. The season ticket holders are already accounted for, so more home and visiting supporters would help the revenue considerably. We should be looking at 10k gates in the league and a sell out for the Villa game, anyone know how many tickets were allocated to them. The marketing dept could also look at ways of increasing revenue with sponsorship or maybe some special deals for dads to bring the kids and fill up the bank for games like scunthorpe who we know will hardly bring any supporters of their own. Wonder if the people will sponsor us again this year in the FA cup, think they got a good deal out of us last year.
me think the villa have 3270 tickets
[quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: I believe Besonne signed a 6 month contract, he is our player, so don't know why Sam would think we have the option to return him to Swansea. PdC has said in the past he wouldn't bring anyone in unless they were better than what he already has, don't know where he thinks he might find such a player with the required level of fitness he demands, most clubs will want to keep their decent players. Didn't hear or read anything as to why Raffa wasn't included Saturday, was he injured? Left midfield shouldn't be a big concern with Roberts out, Luke Rooney is due back within a week or two and can be a decent asset. He is getting game time at Burton but was substituted on Saturday. If Right back is his other concern, then I could see that being an issue if Thompson is injured although I'm sure Devera would still be decent cover. The only other injury is Williams and we still have 3 or 4 to choose from up front. Benson, Adam Rooney, Collins and Storey. Apart from the obvious if we lossed Wes to injury, don't see the need to panic with more loanees, especially if they are no better than what we already have. The embargo is not going to be lifted before the end of October, by which time one would hope Williams and Roberts will return. From now until November we need some decent gates against the likes of Sheffield Utd, Coventry in the league and Villa in the league cup. The season ticket holders are already accounted for, so more home and visiting supporters would help the revenue considerably. We should be looking at 10k gates in the league and a sell out for the Villa game, anyone know how many tickets were allocated to them. The marketing dept could also look at ways of increasing revenue with sponsorship or maybe some special deals for dads to bring the kids and fill up the bank for games like scunthorpe who we know will hardly bring any supporters of their own. Wonder if the people will sponsor us again this year in the FA cup, think they got a good deal out of us last year.[/p][/quote]me think the villa have 3270 tickets grove red
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11:50am Tue 9 Oct 12

old town robin says...

california andy wrote:
I think another option is to obtain additional sponsorship. I seem to remember Man City doing this with their stadium to allow them to do an end run around the rules and continue to splash the cash. May not be a realistic option for Swindon though. Come on Honda, you know you ought to do it!
There you go, rename the county ground the Honda Arena, lol1 get paulo to send back his Audi and drive a Honda, Good idea, should bring in an extra million.
[quote][p][bold]california andy[/bold] wrote: I think another option is to obtain additional sponsorship. I seem to remember Man City doing this with their stadium to allow them to do an end run around the rules and continue to splash the cash. May not be a realistic option for Swindon though. Come on Honda, you know you ought to do it![/p][/quote]There you go, rename the county ground the Honda Arena, lol1 get paulo to send back his Audi and drive a Honda, Good idea, should bring in an extra million. old town robin
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11:56am Tue 9 Oct 12

Davethered says...

We've got more than enough players who can cope very well. I remember Andy King a few years ago struggling to put a team of 11 first teamers out. Am I the only one or is anybody else getting fed up with his antics and whinging. If I have a bad day at work I'm told to get on with it. So use what players you've got , and show us you can really manage a team without extortionate funds.
We've got more than enough players who can cope very well. I remember Andy King a few years ago struggling to put a team of 11 first teamers out. Am I the only one or is anybody else getting fed up with his antics and whinging. If I have a bad day at work I'm told to get on with it. So use what players you've got , and show us you can really manage a team without extortionate funds. Davethered
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12:01pm Tue 9 Oct 12

old town robin says...

grove red wrote:
old town robin wrote:
I believe Besonne signed a 6 month contract, he is our player, so don't know why Sam would think we have the option to return him to Swansea. PdC has said in the past he wouldn't bring anyone in unless they were better than what he already has, don't know where he thinks he might find such a player with the required level of fitness he demands, most clubs will want to keep their decent players. Didn't hear or read anything as to why Raffa wasn't included Saturday, was he injured? Left midfield shouldn't be a big concern with Roberts out, Luke Rooney is due back within a week or two and can be a decent asset. He is getting game time at Burton but was substituted on Saturday. If Right back is his other concern, then I could see that being an issue if Thompson is injured although I'm sure Devera would still be decent cover. The only other injury is Williams and we still have 3 or 4 to choose from up front. Benson, Adam Rooney, Collins and Storey. Apart from the obvious if we lossed Wes to injury, don't see the need to panic with more loanees, especially if they are no better than what we already have. The embargo is not going to be lifted before the end of October, by which time one would hope Williams and Roberts will return. From now until November we need some decent gates against the likes of Sheffield Utd, Coventry in the league and Villa in the league cup. The season ticket holders are already accounted for, so more home and visiting supporters would help the revenue considerably. We should be looking at 10k gates in the league and a sell out for the Villa game, anyone know how many tickets were allocated to them. The marketing dept could also look at ways of increasing revenue with sponsorship or maybe some special deals for dads to bring the kids and fill up the bank for games like scunthorpe who we know will hardly bring any supporters of their own. Wonder if the people will sponsor us again this year in the FA cup, think they got a good deal out of us last year.
me think the villa have 3270 tickets
Wow, if they bring over 3k that's good news all we have to do is sell out the home attendance, bought 4 with my 3 s/t's last week, 2 days after they went on sale, 2700 sold as of then, if 1/2 the season ticket holders buy 2, there should still be more than 3k for sale to general public and as we are only averaging less than 1500 paying on the day, there should be enough for everyone. Where's loyal lately he usually knows how sales are faring.
[quote][p][bold]grove red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: I believe Besonne signed a 6 month contract, he is our player, so don't know why Sam would think we have the option to return him to Swansea. PdC has said in the past he wouldn't bring anyone in unless they were better than what he already has, don't know where he thinks he might find such a player with the required level of fitness he demands, most clubs will want to keep their decent players. Didn't hear or read anything as to why Raffa wasn't included Saturday, was he injured? Left midfield shouldn't be a big concern with Roberts out, Luke Rooney is due back within a week or two and can be a decent asset. He is getting game time at Burton but was substituted on Saturday. If Right back is his other concern, then I could see that being an issue if Thompson is injured although I'm sure Devera would still be decent cover. The only other injury is Williams and we still have 3 or 4 to choose from up front. Benson, Adam Rooney, Collins and Storey. Apart from the obvious if we lossed Wes to injury, don't see the need to panic with more loanees, especially if they are no better than what we already have. The embargo is not going to be lifted before the end of October, by which time one would hope Williams and Roberts will return. From now until November we need some decent gates against the likes of Sheffield Utd, Coventry in the league and Villa in the league cup. The season ticket holders are already accounted for, so more home and visiting supporters would help the revenue considerably. We should be looking at 10k gates in the league and a sell out for the Villa game, anyone know how many tickets were allocated to them. The marketing dept could also look at ways of increasing revenue with sponsorship or maybe some special deals for dads to bring the kids and fill up the bank for games like scunthorpe who we know will hardly bring any supporters of their own. Wonder if the people will sponsor us again this year in the FA cup, think they got a good deal out of us last year.[/p][/quote]me think the villa have 3270 tickets[/p][/quote]Wow, if they bring over 3k that's good news all we have to do is sell out the home attendance, bought 4 with my 3 s/t's last week, 2 days after they went on sale, 2700 sold as of then, if 1/2 the season ticket holders buy 2, there should still be more than 3k for sale to general public and as we are only averaging less than 1500 paying on the day, there should be enough for everyone. Where's loyal lately he usually knows how sales are faring. old town robin
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12:11pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Oxon-Red says...

No expert in this but there is a good explanation of the fair play system at the following address:

http://www.football-
league.co.uk/page/FL
ExplainedDetail/0,,1
0794~2748246,00.html


I got lost reading it but it does mention shareholder investment equity limits which may explain the £2m investment the board made. This £2m is under the current limit so it may be possible that the more can be added.

The amount available to club managers for players etc is also based on figures from december to december. Are our limits based on forecast for this year or from actuals last year ?

As I said no expert but perhaps someone can have a look and give an abridged version.

Another article of interest, which is actually quite scathing of the FL and tribunal fees, is worth a look at:

http://footballleagu
eblog.dailymail.co.u
k/2012/10/mondays-ta
lking-point-swindon-
hung-out-to-dry-unde
r-new-ffp-regulation
s.html

COYMR
No expert in this but there is a good explanation of the fair play system at the following address: http://www.football- league.co.uk/page/FL ExplainedDetail/0,,1 0794~2748246,00.html I got lost reading it but it does mention shareholder investment equity limits which may explain the £2m investment the board made. This £2m is under the current limit so it may be possible that the more can be added. The amount available to club managers for players etc is also based on figures from december to december. Are our limits based on forecast for this year or from actuals last year ? As I said no expert but perhaps someone can have a look and give an abridged version. Another article of interest, which is actually quite scathing of the FL and tribunal fees, is worth a look at: http://footballleagu eblog.dailymail.co.u k/2012/10/mondays-ta lking-point-swindon- hung-out-to-dry-unde r-new-ffp-regulation s.html COYMR Oxon-Red
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12:15pm Tue 9 Oct 12

TheDukeOfBanbury says...

california andy wrote:
I think another option is to obtain additional sponsorship. I seem to remember Man City doing this with their stadium to allow them to do an end run around the rules and continue to splash the cash. May not be a realistic option for Swindon though. Come on Honda, you know you ought to do it!
I think it should come first from the Swindon public who need to start coming down the CG more often.

We are the Man Utd of Division 1 with a large proportion of our fan base outside of Swindon.

Even amoungst the regulars I sit with I would say 70% are from "out of Town."
Supported by places as:

Kidlington
Didcot
Harwell
Banbury
Southmoor
Grove

Mind you makes great reading when you see so many "Oxon" based fans not supporting their "local" team ;) ;)
[quote][p][bold]california andy[/bold] wrote: I think another option is to obtain additional sponsorship. I seem to remember Man City doing this with their stadium to allow them to do an end run around the rules and continue to splash the cash. May not be a realistic option for Swindon though. Come on Honda, you know you ought to do it![/p][/quote]I think it should come first from the Swindon public who need to start coming down the CG more often. We are the Man Utd of Division 1 with a large proportion of our fan base outside of Swindon. Even amoungst the regulars I sit with I would say 70% are from "out of Town." Supported by places as: Kidlington Didcot Harwell Banbury Southmoor Grove Mind you makes great reading when you see so many "Oxon" based fans not supporting their "local" team ;) ;) TheDukeOfBanbury
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12:19pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Oxon-Red says...

Oxon-Red wrote:
No expert in this but there is a good explanation of the fair play system at the following address: http://www.football- league.co.uk/page/FL ExplainedDetail/0,,1 0794~2748246,00.html I got lost reading it but it does mention shareholder investment equity limits which may explain the £2m investment the board made. This £2m is under the current limit so it may be possible that the more can be added. The amount available to club managers for players etc is also based on figures from december to december. Are our limits based on forecast for this year or from actuals last year ? As I said no expert but perhaps someone can have a look and give an abridged version. Another article of interest, which is actually quite scathing of the FL and tribunal fees, is worth a look at: http://footballleagu eblog.dailymail.co.u k/2012/10/mondays-ta lking-point-swindon- hung-out-to-dry-unde r-new-ffp-regulation s.html COYMR
Should add that the Daily Mail are spot on about tribunal fees. We signed Troy and James in June/July and it took until late September to fix the price. If they had fixed prices at the time we could have pulled out then or sold someone or not brought Bessone or AN Other in so we could keep below budget.

We are stuck between a rock and a hard place because we cannot sell (FL transfer window). We have broken FL rules but it is actually the FL incompetance that has caused it.

Grrrrrrrr

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: No expert in this but there is a good explanation of the fair play system at the following address: http://www.football- league.co.uk/page/FL ExplainedDetail/0,,1 0794~2748246,00.html I got lost reading it but it does mention shareholder investment equity limits which may explain the £2m investment the board made. This £2m is under the current limit so it may be possible that the more can be added. The amount available to club managers for players etc is also based on figures from december to december. Are our limits based on forecast for this year or from actuals last year ? As I said no expert but perhaps someone can have a look and give an abridged version. Another article of interest, which is actually quite scathing of the FL and tribunal fees, is worth a look at: http://footballleagu eblog.dailymail.co.u k/2012/10/mondays-ta lking-point-swindon- hung-out-to-dry-unde r-new-ffp-regulation s.html COYMR[/p][/quote]Should add that the Daily Mail are spot on about tribunal fees. We signed Troy and James in June/July and it took until late September to fix the price. If they had fixed prices at the time we could have pulled out then or sold someone or not brought Bessone or AN Other in so we could keep below budget. We are stuck between a rock and a hard place because we cannot sell (FL transfer window). We have broken FL rules but it is actually the FL incompetance that has caused it. Grrrrrrrr COYMR Oxon-Red
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12:35pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Oi Den! says...

Oxon-Red wrote:
Oxon-Red wrote:
No expert in this but there is a good explanation of the fair play system at the following address: http://www.football- league.co.uk/page/FL ExplainedDetail/0,,1 0794~2748246,00.html I got lost reading it but it does mention shareholder investment equity limits which may explain the £2m investment the board made. This £2m is under the current limit so it may be possible that the more can be added. The amount available to club managers for players etc is also based on figures from december to december. Are our limits based on forecast for this year or from actuals last year ? As I said no expert but perhaps someone can have a look and give an abridged version. Another article of interest, which is actually quite scathing of the FL and tribunal fees, is worth a look at: http://footballleagu eblog.dailymail.co.u k/2012/10/mondays-ta lking-point-swindon- hung-out-to-dry-unde r-new-ffp-regulation s.html COYMR
Should add that the Daily Mail are spot on about tribunal fees. We signed Troy and James in June/July and it took until late September to fix the price. If they had fixed prices at the time we could have pulled out then or sold someone or not brought Bessone or AN Other in so we could keep below budget.

We are stuck between a rock and a hard place because we cannot sell (FL transfer window). We have broken FL rules but it is actually the FL incompetance that has caused it.

Grrrrrrrr

COYMR
Hmmm... I've not read the Mail article yet, but given its history of scaremongering at sh!t stirring, I am inclined to take anything it says with a pinch of salt. To be fair, Wray has said the fees for those two players were reasonable, so I can't imagine that the delay in fixing them has made much difference.
[quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: No expert in this but there is a good explanation of the fair play system at the following address: http://www.football- league.co.uk/page/FL ExplainedDetail/0,,1 0794~2748246,00.html I got lost reading it but it does mention shareholder investment equity limits which may explain the £2m investment the board made. This £2m is under the current limit so it may be possible that the more can be added. The amount available to club managers for players etc is also based on figures from december to december. Are our limits based on forecast for this year or from actuals last year ? As I said no expert but perhaps someone can have a look and give an abridged version. Another article of interest, which is actually quite scathing of the FL and tribunal fees, is worth a look at: http://footballleagu eblog.dailymail.co.u k/2012/10/mondays-ta lking-point-swindon- hung-out-to-dry-unde r-new-ffp-regulation s.html COYMR[/p][/quote]Should add that the Daily Mail are spot on about tribunal fees. We signed Troy and James in June/July and it took until late September to fix the price. If they had fixed prices at the time we could have pulled out then or sold someone or not brought Bessone or AN Other in so we could keep below budget. We are stuck between a rock and a hard place because we cannot sell (FL transfer window). We have broken FL rules but it is actually the FL incompetance that has caused it. Grrrrrrrr COYMR[/p][/quote]Hmmm... I've not read the Mail article yet, but given its history of scaremongering at sh!t stirring, I am inclined to take anything it says with a pinch of salt. To be fair, Wray has said the fees for those two players were reasonable, so I can't imagine that the delay in fixing them has made much difference. Oi Den!
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12:41pm Tue 9 Oct 12

LeGod says...

And there are about 12 fans that go to all Swindon games from Southampton each week and about 5 from Winchester and i know 4 from Bournemouth as well that travel to all home games, we need some of the glory hunters that follow the pre madonnas from the premier league to get to the CG. i know weve had this debate before but it really gets me why after promotion last season and 4th in the table this season we are not getting more fans in the CG. i couldnt give a toss about the premier league and lets face it all premier league clubs dont care about the football league. we should be getting at least 10k every week with what Paolo is doing and i think the board deserve it as well with the backing they are providing the club.
And there are about 12 fans that go to all Swindon games from Southampton each week and about 5 from Winchester and i know 4 from Bournemouth as well that travel to all home games, we need some of the glory hunters that follow the pre madonnas from the premier league to get to the CG. i know weve had this debate before but it really gets me why after promotion last season and 4th in the table this season we are not getting more fans in the CG. i couldnt give a toss about the premier league and lets face it all premier league clubs dont care about the football league. we should be getting at least 10k every week with what Paolo is doing and i think the board deserve it as well with the backing they are providing the club. LeGod
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12:41pm Tue 9 Oct 12

the don69 says...

Reading,West Brom and Fulham are all after that goal machine Charlie Austin!now that would sort our problem!!!!!!!!!!!ju
st depends how much he goes for and when!!!!!
Reading,West Brom and Fulham are all after that goal machine Charlie Austin!now that would sort our problem!!!!!!!!!!!ju st depends how much he goes for and when!!!!! the don69
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12:49pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Oxon-Red says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Oxon-Red wrote:
Oxon-Red wrote: No expert in this but there is a good explanation of the fair play system at the following address: http://www.football- league.co.uk/page/FL ExplainedDetail/0,,1 0794~2748246,00.html I got lost reading it but it does mention shareholder investment equity limits which may explain the £2m investment the board made. This £2m is under the current limit so it may be possible that the more can be added. The amount available to club managers for players etc is also based on figures from december to december. Are our limits based on forecast for this year or from actuals last year ? As I said no expert but perhaps someone can have a look and give an abridged version. Another article of interest, which is actually quite scathing of the FL and tribunal fees, is worth a look at: http://footballleagu eblog.dailymail.co.u k/2012/10/mondays-ta lking-point-swindon- hung-out-to-dry-unde r-new-ffp-regulation s.html COYMR
Should add that the Daily Mail are spot on about tribunal fees. We signed Troy and James in June/July and it took until late September to fix the price. If they had fixed prices at the time we could have pulled out then or sold someone or not brought Bessone or AN Other in so we could keep below budget. We are stuck between a rock and a hard place because we cannot sell (FL transfer window). We have broken FL rules but it is actually the FL incompetance that has caused it. Grrrrrrrr COYMR
Hmmm... I've not read the Mail article yet, but given its history of scaremongering at sh!t stirring, I am inclined to take anything it says with a pinch of salt. To be fair, Wray has said the fees for those two players were reasonable, so I can't imagine that the delay in fixing them has made much difference.
Den,

You are right, the fees are not the problem it is the fact that they were set in September and that we had to pay the WHOLE amount, as stated by Jay Wray.

Why couldn't the fees be set earlier ? IMO they could (probably should) have been set in July/August when the transfer window is still open. Probably down to the board members being on their expensive foreign holidays.

We could then have possibly sold a player or not brought someone in. JW would have known that the fees were all expected upfront and we could have cut our cloth accordingly.

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: No expert in this but there is a good explanation of the fair play system at the following address: http://www.football- league.co.uk/page/FL ExplainedDetail/0,,1 0794~2748246,00.html I got lost reading it but it does mention shareholder investment equity limits which may explain the £2m investment the board made. This £2m is under the current limit so it may be possible that the more can be added. The amount available to club managers for players etc is also based on figures from december to december. Are our limits based on forecast for this year or from actuals last year ? As I said no expert but perhaps someone can have a look and give an abridged version. Another article of interest, which is actually quite scathing of the FL and tribunal fees, is worth a look at: http://footballleagu eblog.dailymail.co.u k/2012/10/mondays-ta lking-point-swindon- hung-out-to-dry-unde r-new-ffp-regulation s.html COYMR[/p][/quote]Should add that the Daily Mail are spot on about tribunal fees. We signed Troy and James in June/July and it took until late September to fix the price. If they had fixed prices at the time we could have pulled out then or sold someone or not brought Bessone or AN Other in so we could keep below budget. We are stuck between a rock and a hard place because we cannot sell (FL transfer window). We have broken FL rules but it is actually the FL incompetance that has caused it. Grrrrrrrr COYMR[/p][/quote]Hmmm... I've not read the Mail article yet, but given its history of scaremongering at sh!t stirring, I am inclined to take anything it says with a pinch of salt. To be fair, Wray has said the fees for those two players were reasonable, so I can't imagine that the delay in fixing them has made much difference.[/p][/quote]Den, You are right, the fees are not the problem it is the fact that they were set in September and that we had to pay the WHOLE amount, as stated by Jay Wray. Why couldn't the fees be set earlier ? IMO they could (probably should) have been set in July/August when the transfer window is still open. Probably down to the board members being on their expensive foreign holidays. We could then have possibly sold a player or not brought someone in. JW would have known that the fees were all expected upfront and we could have cut our cloth accordingly. COYMR Oxon-Red
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12:56pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Since 1950 says...

pdc does wot he wants wrote:
Since 1950 wrote: I don't think Paolo can complain too much. There can be few, if any, of his predecessors who have had such backing from a Town boardroom. He'll just have to manage the situation. All clubs go through injury and suspension problems at some stage of the season. Ours seems to have arrived alarmingly early. This is a tricky situation though if, as Mr Wray says, any more money they pump into the Club can't be seen as income. Thanks Sky! We can all look forward to ManU boys v Chelsea 3rd team on TV instead of a meaningful tie with a good chance of a giant killing. What a treat!
agree with the first part of the quote. pdc said on saturday that he is one of the best managers then i think it is time to stop moaning and prove it . you do not need five new players every time we dont play very well or get an injury or 2 im probaly going to get slated for this but i think mccormack getting injured insnt too bad a thing because he has not been very good at all this season and i think this is the only way he was not going to play and strait away we keep a clean sheet. As for the villa game if you want to watch it buy a ticket like everyone else..
Actually, old chap, I'm a season ticket holder and a share holder, so go steady with your throw away lines about buying a ticket! I'll be there don't worry.
Not even sure the two games are on the same evening. However, wont bother watching that lot on TV thank you very much.
[quote][p][bold]pdc does wot he wants[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Since 1950[/bold] wrote: I don't think Paolo can complain too much. There can be few, if any, of his predecessors who have had such backing from a Town boardroom. He'll just have to manage the situation. All clubs go through injury and suspension problems at some stage of the season. Ours seems to have arrived alarmingly early. This is a tricky situation though if, as Mr Wray says, any more money they pump into the Club can't be seen as income. Thanks Sky! We can all look forward to ManU boys v Chelsea 3rd team on TV instead of a meaningful tie with a good chance of a giant killing. What a treat![/p][/quote]agree with the first part of the quote. pdc said on saturday that he is one of the best managers then i think it is time to stop moaning and prove it . you do not need five new players every time we dont play very well or get an injury or 2 im probaly going to get slated for this but i think mccormack getting injured insnt too bad a thing because he has not been very good at all this season and i think this is the only way he was not going to play and strait away we keep a clean sheet. As for the villa game if you want to watch it buy a ticket like everyone else..[/p][/quote]Actually, old chap, I'm a season ticket holder and a share holder, so go steady with your throw away lines about buying a ticket! I'll be there don't worry. Not even sure the two games are on the same evening. However, wont bother watching that lot on TV thank you very much. Since 1950
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1:22pm Tue 9 Oct 12

TheDukeOfBanbury says...

the wizard wrote:
After carrying out a sort of survey among family and friends in Swindon and surrounding area, there seems to be a lot of apathy towards the club because of the way it was run before the new board took over, especially among the older people asked. Its all down to the past. Everyone has said the club seems to be doing well, but are none committal because our present upwards journey is only seen as a temporary one. The question often asked is how long will it be before the club is on its uppers again, so the present situation does little to help that as people surmise the facts rather than check them out. Marketing aimed at the younger generations I see as they way forwards, schools, clubs, colleges even concessions to larger companies where perhaps a deal can be done as many have suggested before on say books of tickets at a good price, say five tickets over a choice of ten listed games. A promotion of half season tickets at Xmas, again at a promotional price for a limited period, in an effort to get S/T sales up from where it is.
Wiz you hit the right word - "apathy".

To be honest I get a bit fed up with the "I will go when such and such is no longer Manager brigade" and the never ending excuses as to why people don't go.

As a season Ticket holder I both enrolled by 2 boys as Junior Red members costing a bargain price of £30.

Technically £30 for 2 season tickets for young children. Now if that is not a bargain and can't get kids into the CG then nothing will.

Sorry but apathy is a term I have heard aimed at the people of Swindon, regarding supporting their football team. Sadly it is difficult to argue against.

Of course the current economic climate cannot be over-looked and I can understand in these situations where people find it difficult to find the money.

.....but our Board have done more than enough in my opinion to entice a new generation of fans to come down to the CG. Its down to "us" now.
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: After carrying out a sort of survey among family and friends in Swindon and surrounding area, there seems to be a lot of apathy towards the club because of the way it was run before the new board took over, especially among the older people asked. Its all down to the past. Everyone has said the club seems to be doing well, but are none committal because our present upwards journey is only seen as a temporary one. The question often asked is how long will it be before the club is on its uppers again, so the present situation does little to help that as people surmise the facts rather than check them out. Marketing aimed at the younger generations I see as they way forwards, schools, clubs, colleges even concessions to larger companies where perhaps a deal can be done as many have suggested before on say books of tickets at a good price, say five tickets over a choice of ten listed games. A promotion of half season tickets at Xmas, again at a promotional price for a limited period, in an effort to get S/T sales up from where it is.[/p][/quote]Wiz you hit the right word - "apathy". To be honest I get a bit fed up with the "I will go when such and such is no longer Manager brigade" and the never ending excuses as to why people don't go. As a season Ticket holder I both enrolled by 2 boys as Junior Red members costing a bargain price of £30. Technically £30 for 2 season tickets for young children. Now if that is not a bargain and can't get kids into the CG then nothing will. Sorry but apathy is a term I have heard aimed at the people of Swindon, regarding supporting their football team. Sadly it is difficult to argue against. Of course the current economic climate cannot be over-looked and I can understand in these situations where people find it difficult to find the money. .....but our Board have done more than enough in my opinion to entice a new generation of fans to come down to the CG. Its down to "us" now. TheDukeOfBanbury
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1:23pm Tue 9 Oct 12

TheDukeOfBanbury says...

the wizard wrote:
After carrying out a sort of survey among family and friends in Swindon and surrounding area, there seems to be a lot of apathy towards the club because of the way it was run before the new board took over, especially among the older people asked. Its all down to the past. Everyone has said the club seems to be doing well, but are none committal because our present upwards journey is only seen as a temporary one. The question often asked is how long will it be before the club is on its uppers again, so the present situation does little to help that as people surmise the facts rather than check them out. Marketing aimed at the younger generations I see as they way forwards, schools, clubs, colleges even concessions to larger companies where perhaps a deal can be done as many have suggested before on say books of tickets at a good price, say five tickets over a choice of ten listed games. A promotion of half season tickets at Xmas, again at a promotional price for a limited period, in an effort to get S/T sales up from where it is.
Wiz you hit the right word - "apathy".

To be honest I get a bit fed up with the "I will go when such and such is no longer Manager brigade" and the never ending excuses as to why people don't go.

As a season Ticket holder I both enrolled by 2 boys as Junior Red members costing a bargain price of £30.

Technically £30 for 2 season tickets for young children. Now if that is not a bargain and can't get kids into the CG then nothing will.

Sorry but apathy is a term I have heard aimed at the people of Swindon, regarding supporting their football team. Sadly it is difficult to argue against.

Of course the current economic climate cannot be over-looked and I can understand in these situations where people find it difficult to find the money.

.....but our Board have done more than enough in my opinion to entice a new generation of fans to come down to the CG. Its down to "us" now.
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: After carrying out a sort of survey among family and friends in Swindon and surrounding area, there seems to be a lot of apathy towards the club because of the way it was run before the new board took over, especially among the older people asked. Its all down to the past. Everyone has said the club seems to be doing well, but are none committal because our present upwards journey is only seen as a temporary one. The question often asked is how long will it be before the club is on its uppers again, so the present situation does little to help that as people surmise the facts rather than check them out. Marketing aimed at the younger generations I see as they way forwards, schools, clubs, colleges even concessions to larger companies where perhaps a deal can be done as many have suggested before on say books of tickets at a good price, say five tickets over a choice of ten listed games. A promotion of half season tickets at Xmas, again at a promotional price for a limited period, in an effort to get S/T sales up from where it is.[/p][/quote]Wiz you hit the right word - "apathy". To be honest I get a bit fed up with the "I will go when such and such is no longer Manager brigade" and the never ending excuses as to why people don't go. As a season Ticket holder I both enrolled by 2 boys as Junior Red members costing a bargain price of £30. Technically £30 for 2 season tickets for young children. Now if that is not a bargain and can't get kids into the CG then nothing will. Sorry but apathy is a term I have heard aimed at the people of Swindon, regarding supporting their football team. Sadly it is difficult to argue against. Of course the current economic climate cannot be over-looked and I can understand in these situations where people find it difficult to find the money. .....but our Board have done more than enough in my opinion to entice a new generation of fans to come down to the CG. Its down to "us" now. TheDukeOfBanbury
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1:24pm Tue 9 Oct 12

RamsburyRed says...

It is and always has been worked out on turnover, it's got nothing to do with loans, equity etc.
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Not sure why people find it so hard to get to grips with turnover; for STFC it is season ticket sales, gate receipts, tv money, prize money, commercial and advertising revenue, player sales, sponsorship. Turnover is a business's income basically.
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Whilst most businesses cannot magically increase turnover, all can cut their costs, in this case it would need to be the playing staff - however, this is counterproductive for obvious reasons and PDC is already saying we could be short owing to injuries.
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The silver bullet is often 'sponsorship'. Where the owners of a club also own a profitable business (say, an airline, if you get my drift), there is nothing to stop the business offering generous sponsorship to the club. Sponsorship counting as turnover, problem solved.
It is and always has been worked out on turnover, it's got nothing to do with loans, equity etc. * Not sure why people find it so hard to get to grips with turnover; for STFC it is season ticket sales, gate receipts, tv money, prize money, commercial and advertising revenue, player sales, sponsorship. Turnover is a business's income basically. * Whilst most businesses cannot magically increase turnover, all can cut their costs, in this case it would need to be the playing staff - however, this is counterproductive for obvious reasons and PDC is already saying we could be short owing to injuries. * The silver bullet is often 'sponsorship'. Where the owners of a club also own a profitable business (say, an airline, if you get my drift), there is nothing to stop the business offering generous sponsorship to the club. Sponsorship counting as turnover, problem solved. RamsburyRed
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1:49pm Tue 9 Oct 12

RamsburyRed says...

Oxon-Red wrote:
No expert in this but there is a good explanation of the fair play system at the following address: http://www.football- league.co.uk/page/FL ExplainedDetail/0,,1 0794~2748246,00.html I got lost reading it but it does mention shareholder investment equity limits which may explain the £2m investment the board made. This £2m is under the current limit so it may be possible that the more can be added. The amount available to club managers for players etc is also based on figures from december to december. Are our limits based on forecast for this year or from actuals last year ? As I said no expert but perhaps someone can have a look and give an abridged version. Another article of interest, which is actually quite scathing of the FL and tribunal fees, is worth a look at: http://footballleagu eblog.dailymail.co.u k/2012/10/mondays-ta lking-point-swindon- hung-out-to-dry-unde r-new-ffp-regulation s.html COYMR
You're looking at the wrong rules & regs there, that's for Championship Clubs as the Championship is operating the UEFA Financial Fair Play rules.
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Leagues One and Two are operating a much simpler system, the 'Salary Cost Management Protocal' where as stated, in L1 players' wages must be within 65 per cent of the club's turnover.
[quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: No expert in this but there is a good explanation of the fair play system at the following address: http://www.football- league.co.uk/page/FL ExplainedDetail/0,,1 0794~2748246,00.html I got lost reading it but it does mention shareholder investment equity limits which may explain the £2m investment the board made. This £2m is under the current limit so it may be possible that the more can be added. The amount available to club managers for players etc is also based on figures from december to december. Are our limits based on forecast for this year or from actuals last year ? As I said no expert but perhaps someone can have a look and give an abridged version. Another article of interest, which is actually quite scathing of the FL and tribunal fees, is worth a look at: http://footballleagu eblog.dailymail.co.u k/2012/10/mondays-ta lking-point-swindon- hung-out-to-dry-unde r-new-ffp-regulation s.html COYMR[/p][/quote]You're looking at the wrong rules & regs there, that's for Championship Clubs as the Championship is operating the UEFA Financial Fair Play rules. * Leagues One and Two are operating a much simpler system, the 'Salary Cost Management Protocal' where as stated, in L1 players' wages must be within 65 per cent of the club's turnover. RamsburyRed
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1:49pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Old-Stager, Hilperton says...

TheDukeOfBanbury wrote:
california andy wrote: I think another option is to obtain additional sponsorship. I seem to remember Man City doing this with their stadium to allow them to do an end run around the rules and continue to splash the cash. May not be a realistic option for Swindon though. Come on Honda, you know you ought to do it!
I think it should come first from the Swindon public who need to start coming down the CG more often. We are the Man Utd of Division 1 with a large proportion of our fan base outside of Swindon. Even amoungst the regulars I sit with I would say 70% are from "out of Town." Supported by places as: Kidlington Didcot Harwell Banbury Southmoor Grove Mind you makes great reading when you see so many "Oxon" based fans not supporting their "local" team ;) ;)
Interesting comments by theDukeOfBanbury about our lack of support.
I seem to remember that some years ago our Season Ticket sales were 51% from Swindon itself, and 49% from outside Swindon.
Similar to the Duke's details, STFC receive massive loyal support from these Wiltshire Towns :-
Calne
Chippenham
Corsham
Devizes
Malmesbury
Marlborough
Melksham
Pewsey
Wootton Bassett
and some support from Towns like :-
Warminster
Westbury
Trowbridge - ( Where I Live )
The above three towns suffer from the BBC Bristol TV coverage in my opinion, and that's why there as many City and Rovers fans in those Towns.
Such a shame they dont come to the County Ground.
[quote][p][bold]TheDukeOfBanbury[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]california andy[/bold] wrote: I think another option is to obtain additional sponsorship. I seem to remember Man City doing this with their stadium to allow them to do an end run around the rules and continue to splash the cash. May not be a realistic option for Swindon though. Come on Honda, you know you ought to do it![/p][/quote]I think it should come first from the Swindon public who need to start coming down the CG more often. We are the Man Utd of Division 1 with a large proportion of our fan base outside of Swindon. Even amoungst the regulars I sit with I would say 70% are from "out of Town." Supported by places as: Kidlington Didcot Harwell Banbury Southmoor Grove Mind you makes great reading when you see so many "Oxon" based fans not supporting their "local" team ;) ;)[/p][/quote]Interesting comments by theDukeOfBanbury about our lack of support. I seem to remember that some years ago our Season Ticket sales were 51% from Swindon itself, and 49% from outside Swindon. Similar to the Duke's details, STFC receive massive loyal support from these Wiltshire Towns :- Calne Chippenham Corsham Devizes Malmesbury Marlborough Melksham Pewsey Wootton Bassett and some support from Towns like :- Warminster Westbury Trowbridge - ( Where I Live ) The above three towns suffer from the BBC Bristol TV coverage in my opinion, and that's why there as many City and Rovers fans in those Towns. Such a shame they dont come to the County Ground. Old-Stager, Hilperton
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1:52pm Tue 9 Oct 12

the wizard says...

TheDukeOfBanbury wrote:
the wizard wrote:
After carrying out a sort of survey among family and friends in Swindon and surrounding area, there seems to be a lot of apathy towards the club because of the way it was run before the new board took over, especially among the older people asked. Its all down to the past. Everyone has said the club seems to be doing well, but are none committal because our present upwards journey is only seen as a temporary one. The question often asked is how long will it be before the club is on its uppers again, so the present situation does little to help that as people surmise the facts rather than check them out. Marketing aimed at the younger generations I see as they way forwards, schools, clubs, colleges even concessions to larger companies where perhaps a deal can be done as many have suggested before on say books of tickets at a good price, say five tickets over a choice of ten listed games. A promotion of half season tickets at Xmas, again at a promotional price for a limited period, in an effort to get S/T sales up from where it is.
Wiz you hit the right word - "apathy".

To be honest I get a bit fed up with the "I will go when such and such is no longer Manager brigade" and the never ending excuses as to why people don't go.

As a season Ticket holder I both enrolled by 2 boys as Junior Red members costing a bargain price of £30.

Technically £30 for 2 season tickets for young children. Now if that is not a bargain and can't get kids into the CG then nothing will.

Sorry but apathy is a term I have heard aimed at the people of Swindon, regarding supporting their football team. Sadly it is difficult to argue against.

Of course the current economic climate cannot be over-looked and I can understand in these situations where people find it difficult to find the money.

.....but our Board have done more than enough in my opinion to entice a new generation of fans to come down to the CG. Its down to "us" now.
Quite right Duke I agree.

For many years I had to limit my trips to CG due good overtime being offered on a Saturday morning and that usually ran through till 2 or 3 in the afternoon. In those days the mortgage rate was high and with 3 young children meals on the table and shoes on their feet came first, same as many today in that same situation.

One thing that I always thought was a great success was the club shop in the shopping centre. It was an extension of the club into the community, something which builds a bridge between County Ground and people who may not have considered going. CG being where it is requires a special trip, but a club shop in the centre of town markets the goods, perhaps a player a day for signing autographs etc would also help and would promote merchandising. Results may not be immediate, but I reckon it is worth a punt especially if tickets can be bought there. As with all business's you must promote and get yourself in front of the buying public. Out of sight, out of mind.
[quote][p][bold]TheDukeOfBanbury[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: After carrying out a sort of survey among family and friends in Swindon and surrounding area, there seems to be a lot of apathy towards the club because of the way it was run before the new board took over, especially among the older people asked. Its all down to the past. Everyone has said the club seems to be doing well, but are none committal because our present upwards journey is only seen as a temporary one. The question often asked is how long will it be before the club is on its uppers again, so the present situation does little to help that as people surmise the facts rather than check them out. Marketing aimed at the younger generations I see as they way forwards, schools, clubs, colleges even concessions to larger companies where perhaps a deal can be done as many have suggested before on say books of tickets at a good price, say five tickets over a choice of ten listed games. A promotion of half season tickets at Xmas, again at a promotional price for a limited period, in an effort to get S/T sales up from where it is.[/p][/quote]Wiz you hit the right word - "apathy". To be honest I get a bit fed up with the "I will go when such and such is no longer Manager brigade" and the never ending excuses as to why people don't go. As a season Ticket holder I both enrolled by 2 boys as Junior Red members costing a bargain price of £30. Technically £30 for 2 season tickets for young children. Now if that is not a bargain and can't get kids into the CG then nothing will. Sorry but apathy is a term I have heard aimed at the people of Swindon, regarding supporting their football team. Sadly it is difficult to argue against. Of course the current economic climate cannot be over-looked and I can understand in these situations where people find it difficult to find the money. .....but our Board have done more than enough in my opinion to entice a new generation of fans to come down to the CG. Its down to "us" now.[/p][/quote]Quite right Duke I agree. For many years I had to limit my trips to CG due good overtime being offered on a Saturday morning and that usually ran through till 2 or 3 in the afternoon. In those days the mortgage rate was high and with 3 young children meals on the table and shoes on their feet came first, same as many today in that same situation. One thing that I always thought was a great success was the club shop in the shopping centre. It was an extension of the club into the community, something which builds a bridge between County Ground and people who may not have considered going. CG being where it is requires a special trip, but a club shop in the centre of town markets the goods, perhaps a player a day for signing autographs etc would also help and would promote merchandising. Results may not be immediate, but I reckon it is worth a punt especially if tickets can be bought there. As with all business's you must promote and get yourself in front of the buying public. Out of sight, out of mind. the wizard
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1:59pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Oi Den! says...

Oxon-Red wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Oxon-Red wrote:
Oxon-Red wrote: No expert in this but there is a good explanation of the fair play system at the following address: http://www.football- league.co.uk/page/FL ExplainedDetail/0,,1 0794~2748246,00.html I got lost reading it but it does mention shareholder investment equity limits which may explain the £2m investment the board made. This £2m is under the current limit so it may be possible that the more can be added. The amount available to club managers for players etc is also based on figures from december to december. Are our limits based on forecast for this year or from actuals last year ? As I said no expert but perhaps someone can have a look and give an abridged version. Another article of interest, which is actually quite scathing of the FL and tribunal fees, is worth a look at: http://footballleagu eblog.dailymail.co.u k/2012/10/mondays-ta lking-point-swindon- hung-out-to-dry-unde r-new-ffp-regulation s.html COYMR
Should add that the Daily Mail are spot on about tribunal fees. We signed Troy and James in June/July and it took until late September to fix the price. If they had fixed prices at the time we could have pulled out then or sold someone or not brought Bessone or AN Other in so we could keep below budget. We are stuck between a rock and a hard place because we cannot sell (FL transfer window). We have broken FL rules but it is actually the FL incompetance that has caused it. Grrrrrrrr COYMR
Hmmm... I've not read the Mail article yet, but given its history of scaremongering at sh!t stirring, I am inclined to take anything it says with a pinch of salt. To be fair, Wray has said the fees for those two players were reasonable, so I can't imagine that the delay in fixing them has made much difference.
Den,

You are right, the fees are not the problem it is the fact that they were set in September and that we had to pay the WHOLE amount, as stated by Jay Wray.

Why couldn't the fees be set earlier ? IMO they could (probably should) have been set in July/August when the transfer window is still open. Probably down to the board members being on their expensive foreign holidays.

We could then have possibly sold a player or not brought someone in. JW would have known that the fees were all expected upfront and we could have cut our cloth accordingly.

COYMR
Oxon, I would be interested to know in what circs fees are payable up front and when they are paid in instalments - and how many instalments over what period? Are clubs supposed to guess whether they will have to pay the whole fee straightaway?
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Without knowing the full facts, I'm not sure I would be critical about the tribunal date though. I'm guessing that it's an independent panel that meets only occasionally. Maybe they handle several cases at one meeting? Another aspect is that both sides will want to be sure of a fair hearing, so I suppose there is an evidence gathering process. I wasn't going to bother reading up on the detail of these procedures but if I can find the time and willpower I think I will!
[quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: No expert in this but there is a good explanation of the fair play system at the following address: http://www.football- league.co.uk/page/FL ExplainedDetail/0,,1 0794~2748246,00.html I got lost reading it but it does mention shareholder investment equity limits which may explain the £2m investment the board made. This £2m is under the current limit so it may be possible that the more can be added. The amount available to club managers for players etc is also based on figures from december to december. Are our limits based on forecast for this year or from actuals last year ? As I said no expert but perhaps someone can have a look and give an abridged version. Another article of interest, which is actually quite scathing of the FL and tribunal fees, is worth a look at: http://footballleagu eblog.dailymail.co.u k/2012/10/mondays-ta lking-point-swindon- hung-out-to-dry-unde r-new-ffp-regulation s.html COYMR[/p][/quote]Should add that the Daily Mail are spot on about tribunal fees. We signed Troy and James in June/July and it took until late September to fix the price. If they had fixed prices at the time we could have pulled out then or sold someone or not brought Bessone or AN Other in so we could keep below budget. We are stuck between a rock and a hard place because we cannot sell (FL transfer window). We have broken FL rules but it is actually the FL incompetance that has caused it. Grrrrrrrr COYMR[/p][/quote]Hmmm... I've not read the Mail article yet, but given its history of scaremongering at sh!t stirring, I am inclined to take anything it says with a pinch of salt. To be fair, Wray has said the fees for those two players were reasonable, so I can't imagine that the delay in fixing them has made much difference.[/p][/quote]Den, You are right, the fees are not the problem it is the fact that they were set in September and that we had to pay the WHOLE amount, as stated by Jay Wray. Why couldn't the fees be set earlier ? IMO they could (probably should) have been set in July/August when the transfer window is still open. Probably down to the board members being on their expensive foreign holidays. We could then have possibly sold a player or not brought someone in. JW would have known that the fees were all expected upfront and we could have cut our cloth accordingly. COYMR[/p][/quote]Oxon, I would be interested to know in what circs fees are payable up front and when they are paid in instalments - and how many instalments over what period? Are clubs supposed to guess whether they will have to pay the whole fee straightaway? . Without knowing the full facts, I'm not sure I would be critical about the tribunal date though. I'm guessing that it's an independent panel that meets only occasionally. Maybe they handle several cases at one meeting? Another aspect is that both sides will want to be sure of a fair hearing, so I suppose there is an evidence gathering process. I wasn't going to bother reading up on the detail of these procedures but if I can find the time and willpower I think I will! Oi Den!
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2:07pm Tue 9 Oct 12

killerontheloose says...

The bottom line is that the attendances remain pathetic for a town the size of Swindon and surrounding area -particularly given the commitment and drive of the manager and investment from the Board.
These days won't last forever and PDC will be on to bigger and better things so the residents of Wilts should fill the ground!
The bottom line is that the attendances remain pathetic for a town the size of Swindon and surrounding area -particularly given the commitment and drive of the manager and investment from the Board. These days won't last forever and PDC will be on to bigger and better things so the residents of Wilts should fill the ground! killerontheloose
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2:09pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Oxon-Red says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Oxon-Red wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Oxon-Red wrote:
Oxon-Red wrote: No expert in this but there is a good explanation of the fair play system at the following address: http://www.football- league.co.uk/page/FL ExplainedDetail/0,,1 0794~2748246,00.html I got lost reading it but it does mention shareholder investment equity limits which may explain the £2m investment the board made. This £2m is under the current limit so it may be possible that the more can be added. The amount available to club managers for players etc is also based on figures from december to december. Are our limits based on forecast for this year or from actuals last year ? As I said no expert but perhaps someone can have a look and give an abridged version. Another article of interest, which is actually quite scathing of the FL and tribunal fees, is worth a look at: http://footballleagu eblog.dailymail.co.u k/2012/10/mondays-ta lking-point-swindon- hung-out-to-dry-unde r-new-ffp-regulation s.html COYMR
Should add that the Daily Mail are spot on about tribunal fees. We signed Troy and James in June/July and it took until late September to fix the price. If they had fixed prices at the time we could have pulled out then or sold someone or not brought Bessone or AN Other in so we could keep below budget. We are stuck between a rock and a hard place because we cannot sell (FL transfer window). We have broken FL rules but it is actually the FL incompetance that has caused it. Grrrrrrrr COYMR
Hmmm... I've not read the Mail article yet, but given its history of scaremongering at sh!t stirring, I am inclined to take anything it says with a pinch of salt. To be fair, Wray has said the fees for those two players were reasonable, so I can't imagine that the delay in fixing them has made much difference.
Den, You are right, the fees are not the problem it is the fact that they were set in September and that we had to pay the WHOLE amount, as stated by Jay Wray. Why couldn't the fees be set earlier ? IMO they could (probably should) have been set in July/August when the transfer window is still open. Probably down to the board members being on their expensive foreign holidays. We could then have possibly sold a player or not brought someone in. JW would have known that the fees were all expected upfront and we could have cut our cloth accordingly. COYMR
Oxon, I would be interested to know in what circs fees are payable up front and when they are paid in instalments - and how many instalments over what period? Are clubs supposed to guess whether they will have to pay the whole fee straightaway? . Without knowing the full facts, I'm not sure I would be critical about the tribunal date though. I'm guessing that it's an independent panel that meets only occasionally. Maybe they handle several cases at one meeting? Another aspect is that both sides will want to be sure of a fair hearing, so I suppose there is an evidence gathering process. I wasn't going to bother reading up on the detail of these procedures but if I can find the time and willpower I think I will!
Fair comment Den. It does seem to have caught JW out though and you would expect him to know the ins and outs.

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: No expert in this but there is a good explanation of the fair play system at the following address: http://www.football- league.co.uk/page/FL ExplainedDetail/0,,1 0794~2748246,00.html I got lost reading it but it does mention shareholder investment equity limits which may explain the £2m investment the board made. This £2m is under the current limit so it may be possible that the more can be added. The amount available to club managers for players etc is also based on figures from december to december. Are our limits based on forecast for this year or from actuals last year ? As I said no expert but perhaps someone can have a look and give an abridged version. Another article of interest, which is actually quite scathing of the FL and tribunal fees, is worth a look at: http://footballleagu eblog.dailymail.co.u k/2012/10/mondays-ta lking-point-swindon- hung-out-to-dry-unde r-new-ffp-regulation s.html COYMR[/p][/quote]Should add that the Daily Mail are spot on about tribunal fees. We signed Troy and James in June/July and it took until late September to fix the price. If they had fixed prices at the time we could have pulled out then or sold someone or not brought Bessone or AN Other in so we could keep below budget. We are stuck between a rock and a hard place because we cannot sell (FL transfer window). We have broken FL rules but it is actually the FL incompetance that has caused it. Grrrrrrrr COYMR[/p][/quote]Hmmm... I've not read the Mail article yet, but given its history of scaremongering at sh!t stirring, I am inclined to take anything it says with a pinch of salt. To be fair, Wray has said the fees for those two players were reasonable, so I can't imagine that the delay in fixing them has made much difference.[/p][/quote]Den, You are right, the fees are not the problem it is the fact that they were set in September and that we had to pay the WHOLE amount, as stated by Jay Wray. Why couldn't the fees be set earlier ? IMO they could (probably should) have been set in July/August when the transfer window is still open. Probably down to the board members being on their expensive foreign holidays. We could then have possibly sold a player or not brought someone in. JW would have known that the fees were all expected upfront and we could have cut our cloth accordingly. COYMR[/p][/quote]Oxon, I would be interested to know in what circs fees are payable up front and when they are paid in instalments - and how many instalments over what period? Are clubs supposed to guess whether they will have to pay the whole fee straightaway? . Without knowing the full facts, I'm not sure I would be critical about the tribunal date though. I'm guessing that it's an independent panel that meets only occasionally. Maybe they handle several cases at one meeting? Another aspect is that both sides will want to be sure of a fair hearing, so I suppose there is an evidence gathering process. I wasn't going to bother reading up on the detail of these procedures but if I can find the time and willpower I think I will![/p][/quote]Fair comment Den. It does seem to have caught JW out though and you would expect him to know the ins and outs. COYMR Oxon-Red
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2:19pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Oxon-Red says...

RamsburyRed wrote:
Oxon-Red wrote: No expert in this but there is a good explanation of the fair play system at the following address: http://www.football- league.co.uk/page/FL ExplainedDetail/0,,1 0794~2748246,00.html I got lost reading it but it does mention shareholder investment equity limits which may explain the £2m investment the board made. This £2m is under the current limit so it may be possible that the more can be added. The amount available to club managers for players etc is also based on figures from december to december. Are our limits based on forecast for this year or from actuals last year ? As I said no expert but perhaps someone can have a look and give an abridged version. Another article of interest, which is actually quite scathing of the FL and tribunal fees, is worth a look at: http://footballleagu eblog.dailymail.co.u k/2012/10/mondays-ta lking-point-swindon- hung-out-to-dry-unde r-new-ffp-regulation s.html COYMR
You're looking at the wrong rules & regs there, that's for Championship Clubs as the Championship is operating the UEFA Financial Fair Play rules. * Leagues One and Two are operating a much simpler system, the 'Salary Cost Management Protocal' where as stated, in L1 players' wages must be within 65 per cent of the club's turnover.
You are right, sorry, I missed the sub-headings..

I presume the income from the Villa game will not have been included in our original forecasts so a full house could enable us to update our forecast and bring us within the 65%. A win and the extra revenue could make Paolo a happy bunny again :-).

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]RamsburyRed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: No expert in this but there is a good explanation of the fair play system at the following address: http://www.football- league.co.uk/page/FL ExplainedDetail/0,,1 0794~2748246,00.html I got lost reading it but it does mention shareholder investment equity limits which may explain the £2m investment the board made. This £2m is under the current limit so it may be possible that the more can be added. The amount available to club managers for players etc is also based on figures from december to december. Are our limits based on forecast for this year or from actuals last year ? As I said no expert but perhaps someone can have a look and give an abridged version. Another article of interest, which is actually quite scathing of the FL and tribunal fees, is worth a look at: http://footballleagu eblog.dailymail.co.u k/2012/10/mondays-ta lking-point-swindon- hung-out-to-dry-unde r-new-ffp-regulation s.html COYMR[/p][/quote]You're looking at the wrong rules & regs there, that's for Championship Clubs as the Championship is operating the UEFA Financial Fair Play rules. * Leagues One and Two are operating a much simpler system, the 'Salary Cost Management Protocal' where as stated, in L1 players' wages must be within 65 per cent of the club's turnover.[/p][/quote]You are right, sorry, I missed the sub-headings.. I presume the income from the Villa game will not have been included in our original forecasts so a full house could enable us to update our forecast and bring us within the 65%. A win and the extra revenue could make Paolo a happy bunny again :-). COYMR Oxon-Red
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2:21pm Tue 9 Oct 12

smirg kcab says...

I'm off now to get two villa tickets, at least that may pay Bostock to wear a bobble hat in winter, while he's parked his friggin ars on the bench.
Onwards and upwards.
Bring the villa tickets forward to get cash in the bank ASAP
I'm off now to get two villa tickets, at least that may pay Bostock to wear a bobble hat in winter, while he's parked his friggin ars on the bench. Onwards and upwards. Bring the villa tickets forward to get cash in the bank ASAP smirg kcab
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2:43pm Tue 9 Oct 12

MITTED says...

Old-Stager, Hilperton wrote:
TheDukeOfBanbury wrote:
california andy wrote: I think another option is to obtain additional sponsorship. I seem to remember Man City doing this with their stadium to allow them to do an end run around the rules and continue to splash the cash. May not be a realistic option for Swindon though. Come on Honda, you know you ought to do it!
I think it should come first from the Swindon public who need to start coming down the CG more often. We are the Man Utd of Division 1 with a large proportion of our fan base outside of Swindon. Even amoungst the regulars I sit with I would say 70% are from "out of Town." Supported by places as: Kidlington Didcot Harwell Banbury Southmoor Grove Mind you makes great reading when you see so many "Oxon" based fans not supporting their "local" team ;) ;)
Interesting comments by theDukeOfBanbury about our lack of support.
I seem to remember that some years ago our Season Ticket sales were 51% from Swindon itself, and 49% from outside Swindon.
Similar to the Duke's details, STFC receive massive loyal support from these Wiltshire Towns :-
Calne
Chippenham
Corsham
Devizes
Malmesbury
Marlborough
Melksham
Pewsey
Wootton Bassett
and some support from Towns like :-
Warminster
Westbury
Trowbridge - ( Where I Live )
The above three towns suffer from the BBC Bristol TV coverage in my opinion, and that's why there as many City and Rovers fans in those Towns.
Such a shame they dont come to the County Ground.
The roughly 50/50 split is a thing of the past. JW was on the radio pre-season and said roughly 65% of our support comes from outwith the borough of Swindon. Hardly surprising when you consider that Swindon is long since overwhelmingly made of up of mostly economic migrants. Even second generations from those migrant families who were born here are encouraged by mum/dad etc to support their own "home town " team, let alone the greed league clubs being forced down kids' throats by Sky etc. It is a hard battle for the club but we fans can do our bit. I have taken one of those second generation kids from an economic migrant family under my wing. He is a fully paid up Junior Robin and loves going to watch the Town, much to his ManUre "supporting" father's chagrin (supporting as in he's never been to Old Trafford or anywhere else to watch them live but, is a mean presser of TV remote control buttons)!
[quote][p][bold]Old-Stager, Hilperton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheDukeOfBanbury[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]california andy[/bold] wrote: I think another option is to obtain additional sponsorship. I seem to remember Man City doing this with their stadium to allow them to do an end run around the rules and continue to splash the cash. May not be a realistic option for Swindon though. Come on Honda, you know you ought to do it![/p][/quote]I think it should come first from the Swindon public who need to start coming down the CG more often. We are the Man Utd of Division 1 with a large proportion of our fan base outside of Swindon. Even amoungst the regulars I sit with I would say 70% are from "out of Town." Supported by places as: Kidlington Didcot Harwell Banbury Southmoor Grove Mind you makes great reading when you see so many "Oxon" based fans not supporting their "local" team ;) ;)[/p][/quote]Interesting comments by theDukeOfBanbury about our lack of support. I seem to remember that some years ago our Season Ticket sales were 51% from Swindon itself, and 49% from outside Swindon. Similar to the Duke's details, STFC receive massive loyal support from these Wiltshire Towns :- Calne Chippenham Corsham Devizes Malmesbury Marlborough Melksham Pewsey Wootton Bassett and some support from Towns like :- Warminster Westbury Trowbridge - ( Where I Live ) The above three towns suffer from the BBC Bristol TV coverage in my opinion, and that's why there as many City and Rovers fans in those Towns. Such a shame they dont come to the County Ground.[/p][/quote]The roughly 50/50 split is a thing of the past. JW was on the radio pre-season and said roughly 65% of our support comes from outwith the borough of Swindon. Hardly surprising when you consider that Swindon is long since overwhelmingly made of up of mostly economic migrants. Even second generations from those migrant families who were born here are encouraged by mum/dad etc to support their own "home town " team, let alone the greed league clubs being forced down kids' throats by Sky etc. It is a hard battle for the club but we fans can do our bit. I have taken one of those second generation kids from an economic migrant family under my wing. He is a fully paid up Junior Robin and loves going to watch the Town, much to his ManUre "supporting" father's chagrin (supporting as in he's never been to Old Trafford or anywhere else to watch them live but, is a mean presser of TV remote control buttons)! MITTED
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3:02pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Oi Den! says...

Good post MITTED. I think I'd even go as far as to say that football snobbery prevails in a lot of families - even well established local ones - who think they need to be seen to "support" a big club, while looking down their noses at STFC.
Also there's peer pressure amongst kids. Our grandson feels more comfortable in a Liverpool shirt than a Town shirt because nearly all his mates are "supporters" of one of the big clubs. This is the stuff we have to try to reverse.
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One last point. The last 20 or 30 years has seen the emergence of the non-supporting "supporter" - the person who thinks that talking about a club and faithfully watching it on Sky is supporting it. They seem to be blissfully unaware that supporting your football club means being there with your voice, your financial contribution and your soul. And - before I get accused of picking on people who would love to be there but can't - I should just add that I'm not talking about them.
Good post MITTED. I think I'd even go as far as to say that football snobbery prevails in a lot of families - even well established local ones - who think they need to be seen to "support" a big club, while looking down their noses at STFC. Also there's peer pressure amongst kids. Our grandson feels more comfortable in a Liverpool shirt than a Town shirt because nearly all his mates are "supporters" of one of the big clubs. This is the stuff we have to try to reverse. . One last point. The last 20 or 30 years has seen the emergence of the non-supporting "supporter" - the person who thinks that talking about a club and faithfully watching it on Sky is supporting it. They seem to be blissfully unaware that supporting your football club means being there with your voice, your financial contribution and your soul. And - before I get accused of picking on people who would love to be there but can't - I should just add that I'm not talking about them. Oi Den!
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3:11pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Oxon-Red says...

On Ticket offers, Town have one currently. The text below is copied and pasted from the Official site:

"Supporters purchasing tickets at normal price for the Yeovil Town game on Saturday 17th November (K.O. 3pm) can also purchase a ticket for the same category or lower for the Brentford game on Tuesday 20th November (K.O.7.45pm) at the promotional prices below. Season ticket holders are also able to take advantage of this promotion for the same category or lower at the prices below (maximum of 1 per season ticket)

Adult - £15

Senior Citizen/Student - £12

Young Adult (16-18) - £10

Junior (Under 15) - £7"

I will be mentioning this to my brother, who comes to a decent number of games despite living in Brum, to see if he will fit in another game. Other season ticket holders could do similar to help boost attendances.

Like many have said though, I am not sure these offers are publicised well enough. As mentioned by someone, a shop in the Town would a great start.

COYMR
On Ticket offers, Town have one currently. The text below is copied and pasted from the Official site: "Supporters purchasing tickets at normal price for the Yeovil Town game on Saturday 17th November (K.O. 3pm) can also purchase a ticket for the same category or lower for the Brentford game on Tuesday 20th November (K.O.7.45pm) at the promotional prices below. Season ticket holders are also able to take advantage of this promotion for the same category or lower at the prices below (maximum of 1 per season ticket) Adult - £15 Senior Citizen/Student - £12 Young Adult (16-18) - £10 Junior (Under 15) - £7" I will be mentioning this to my brother, who comes to a decent number of games despite living in Brum, to see if he will fit in another game. Other season ticket holders could do similar to help boost attendances. Like many have said though, I am not sure these offers are publicised well enough. As mentioned by someone, a shop in the Town would a great start. COYMR Oxon-Red
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3:28pm Tue 9 Oct 12

stigger says...

Oxon-Red wrote:
On Ticket offers, Town have one currently. The text below is copied and pasted from the Official site:

"Supporters purchasing tickets at normal price for the Yeovil Town game on Saturday 17th November (K.O. 3pm) can also purchase a ticket for the same category or lower for the Brentford game on Tuesday 20th November (K.O.7.45pm) at the promotional prices below. Season ticket holders are also able to take advantage of this promotion for the same category or lower at the prices below (maximum of 1 per season ticket)

Adult - £15

Senior Citizen/Student - £12

Young Adult (16-18) - £10

Junior (Under 15) - £7"

I will be mentioning this to my brother, who comes to a decent number of games despite living in Brum, to see if he will fit in another game. Other season ticket holders could do similar to help boost attendances.

Like many have said though, I am not sure these offers are publicised well enough. As mentioned by someone, a shop in the Town would a great start.

COYMR
Cheers for that, cant afford to get to all games and that will prob decide Novembers home games, also got bonus of nearby away games that month being midlands based
[quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: On Ticket offers, Town have one currently. The text below is copied and pasted from the Official site: "Supporters purchasing tickets at normal price for the Yeovil Town game on Saturday 17th November (K.O. 3pm) can also purchase a ticket for the same category or lower for the Brentford game on Tuesday 20th November (K.O.7.45pm) at the promotional prices below. Season ticket holders are also able to take advantage of this promotion for the same category or lower at the prices below (maximum of 1 per season ticket) Adult - £15 Senior Citizen/Student - £12 Young Adult (16-18) - £10 Junior (Under 15) - £7" I will be mentioning this to my brother, who comes to a decent number of games despite living in Brum, to see if he will fit in another game. Other season ticket holders could do similar to help boost attendances. Like many have said though, I am not sure these offers are publicised well enough. As mentioned by someone, a shop in the Town would a great start. COYMR[/p][/quote]Cheers for that, cant afford to get to all games and that will prob decide Novembers home games, also got bonus of nearby away games that month being midlands based stigger
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3:34pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Malkym says...

TheDukeOfBanbury wrote:
the wizard wrote: After carrying out a sort of survey among family and friends in Swindon and surrounding area, there seems to be a lot of apathy towards the club because of the way it was run before the new board took over, especially among the older people asked. Its all down to the past. Everyone has said the club seems to be doing well, but are none committal because our present upwards journey is only seen as a temporary one. The question often asked is how long will it be before the club is on its uppers again, so the present situation does little to help that as people surmise the facts rather than check them out. Marketing aimed at the younger generations I see as they way forwards, schools, clubs, colleges even concessions to larger companies where perhaps a deal can be done as many have suggested before on say books of tickets at a good price, say five tickets over a choice of ten listed games. A promotion of half season tickets at Xmas, again at a promotional price for a limited period, in an effort to get S/T sales up from where it is.
Wiz you hit the right word - "apathy". To be honest I get a bit fed up with the "I will go when such and such is no longer Manager brigade" and the never ending excuses as to why people don't go. As a season Ticket holder I both enrolled by 2 boys as Junior Red members costing a bargain price of £30. Technically £30 for 2 season tickets for young children. Now if that is not a bargain and can't get kids into the CG then nothing will. Sorry but apathy is a term I have heard aimed at the people of Swindon, regarding supporting their football team. Sadly it is difficult to argue against. Of course the current economic climate cannot be over-looked and I can understand in these situations where people find it difficult to find the money. .....but our Board have done more than enough in my opinion to entice a new generation of fans to come down to the CG. Its down to "us" now.
Duke I think its a bit blase to say apathy and also I'm a bit fed up with I'll go when such and such etc... for my part and doubtless I'll get slated for saying it again but I want to be entertained first and foremost and value for my hard earned second- while PdC is boss wild horses won't keep me away - if Malpass returned free entry wouldn't drag me in there.

This subject has been debated on here to death like a lot of others.Alternative leisure options and other interests such as Speedway to be topical, Racing, etc and many participating in sports like golf or local leagues when town have a game -far greater options than the bygone days Wizman refers to when it was footy or nowt.

The economic factor has been mentioned and has to be taken into consideration - Duke mentions the absolute value of Junior Reds -no argument there but what about when the boys are strapping 16 year olds, still at school/college -not earning and the £30 rises to £90? Not quite so clear cut then is it? duke may well be in a position to stump up that sort of cash but not everybody can and again as Wizman says its all about priorities.

I fully agree that the club could improve its marketing strategies - and "catch 'em young" is a good one amongst other suggestions - free entry for school parties to what are expected to be average attended games to generate more noise - its not as though we're packed out are we?

Strange if its not rocket science to us why it is to JW & Co. even though he's said -good ideas but sat on them it seems. They could do much to expand this side of the club to complement the excellent hospitality & mascot packages etc.
[quote][p][bold]TheDukeOfBanbury[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: After carrying out a sort of survey among family and friends in Swindon and surrounding area, there seems to be a lot of apathy towards the club because of the way it was run before the new board took over, especially among the older people asked. Its all down to the past. Everyone has said the club seems to be doing well, but are none committal because our present upwards journey is only seen as a temporary one. The question often asked is how long will it be before the club is on its uppers again, so the present situation does little to help that as people surmise the facts rather than check them out. Marketing aimed at the younger generations I see as they way forwards, schools, clubs, colleges even concessions to larger companies where perhaps a deal can be done as many have suggested before on say books of tickets at a good price, say five tickets over a choice of ten listed games. A promotion of half season tickets at Xmas, again at a promotional price for a limited period, in an effort to get S/T sales up from where it is.[/p][/quote]Wiz you hit the right word - "apathy". To be honest I get a bit fed up with the "I will go when such and such is no longer Manager brigade" and the never ending excuses as to why people don't go. As a season Ticket holder I both enrolled by 2 boys as Junior Red members costing a bargain price of £30. Technically £30 for 2 season tickets for young children. Now if that is not a bargain and can't get kids into the CG then nothing will. Sorry but apathy is a term I have heard aimed at the people of Swindon, regarding supporting their football team. Sadly it is difficult to argue against. Of course the current economic climate cannot be over-looked and I can understand in these situations where people find it difficult to find the money. .....but our Board have done more than enough in my opinion to entice a new generation of fans to come down to the CG. Its down to "us" now.[/p][/quote]Duke I think its a bit blase to say apathy and also I'm a bit fed up with I'll go when such and such etc... for my part and doubtless I'll get slated for saying it again but I want to be entertained first and foremost and value for my hard earned second- while PdC is boss wild horses won't keep me away - if Malpass returned free entry wouldn't drag me in there. This subject has been debated on here to death like a lot of others.Alternative leisure options and other interests such as Speedway to be topical, Racing, etc and many participating in sports like golf or local leagues when town have a game -far greater options than the bygone days Wizman refers to when it was footy or nowt. The economic factor has been mentioned and has to be taken into consideration - Duke mentions the absolute value of Junior Reds -no argument there but what about when the boys are strapping 16 year olds, still at school/college -not earning and the £30 rises to £90? Not quite so clear cut then is it? duke may well be in a position to stump up that sort of cash but not everybody can and again as Wizman says its all about priorities. I fully agree that the club could improve its marketing strategies - and "catch 'em young" is a good one amongst other suggestions - free entry for school parties to what are expected to be average attended games to generate more noise - its not as though we're packed out are we? Strange if its not rocket science to us why it is to JW & Co. even though he's said -good ideas but sat on them it seems. They could do much to expand this side of the club to complement the excellent hospitality & mascot packages etc. Malkym
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3:37pm Tue 9 Oct 12

SAPFanSTFC says...

TheDukeOfBanbury wrote:
the wizard wrote:
After carrying out a sort of survey among family and friends in Swindon and surrounding area, there seems to be a lot of apathy towards the club because of the way it was run before the new board took over, especially among the older people asked. Its all down to the past. Everyone has said the club seems to be doing well, but are none committal because our present upwards journey is only seen as a temporary one. The question often asked is how long will it be before the club is on its uppers again, so the present situation does little to help that as people surmise the facts rather than check them out. Marketing aimed at the younger generations I see as they way forwards, schools, clubs, colleges even concessions to larger companies where perhaps a deal can be done as many have suggested before on say books of tickets at a good price, say five tickets over a choice of ten listed games. A promotion of half season tickets at Xmas, again at a promotional price for a limited period, in an effort to get S/T sales up from where it is.
Wiz you hit the right word - "apathy".

To be honest I get a bit fed up with the "I will go when such and such is no longer Manager brigade" and the never ending excuses as to why people don't go.

As a season Ticket holder I both enrolled by 2 boys as Junior Red members costing a bargain price of £30.

Technically £30 for 2 season tickets for young children. Now if that is not a bargain and can't get kids into the CG then nothing will.

Sorry but apathy is a term I have heard aimed at the people of Swindon, regarding supporting their football team. Sadly it is difficult to argue against.

Of course the current economic climate cannot be over-looked and I can understand in these situations where people find it difficult to find the money.

.....but our Board have done more than enough in my opinion to entice a new generation of fans to come down to the CG. Its down to "us" now.
I get REALLY FED UP WITH THESE OUT OF TOWNERS WHO BANG ON ABOUT ATTENDANCES JUST WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE!!!..Rockin Robin's Uncle!!!????
---.
I mean this DUKE bloke!!!???...he can't even outshout me so who is he to moan eh!?
---.
:-)
===.
Hey there Duke!!...as per you I don't think this club can do much more as my son's both get free season tickets with me and my Dad....why on earth would many of the migrants want to spend their money on STFC....many have different agendas as well, which I won't go into, but most don't have any interest in football at this level.
---.
What we need to remember is that 3rd Division to these guys is equivalent to their 2nd division / the Scottish 3rd Division with 200+ fans attending.
---.
Except for a certain un-named side who lost to STIRLING 1-0 on Saturday - I'm still belly laughing at that one!! :-0 (May be linked to me having Celtic as a second team...ooops gave it away there!)
---.
What is the answer?...the loyalty of most is huge.....even those who can't afford to go every week - what we need to do is to convert 2-5% of the newer residents of Swindon that this is a COMMUNITY project, that the club need their support.....and to get just 1% of those that don't come any more to come back.
[quote][p][bold]TheDukeOfBanbury[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: After carrying out a sort of survey among family and friends in Swindon and surrounding area, there seems to be a lot of apathy towards the club because of the way it was run before the new board took over, especially among the older people asked. Its all down to the past. Everyone has said the club seems to be doing well, but are none committal because our present upwards journey is only seen as a temporary one. The question often asked is how long will it be before the club is on its uppers again, so the present situation does little to help that as people surmise the facts rather than check them out. Marketing aimed at the younger generations I see as they way forwards, schools, clubs, colleges even concessions to larger companies where perhaps a deal can be done as many have suggested before on say books of tickets at a good price, say five tickets over a choice of ten listed games. A promotion of half season tickets at Xmas, again at a promotional price for a limited period, in an effort to get S/T sales up from where it is.[/p][/quote]Wiz you hit the right word - "apathy". To be honest I get a bit fed up with the "I will go when such and such is no longer Manager brigade" and the never ending excuses as to why people don't go. As a season Ticket holder I both enrolled by 2 boys as Junior Red members costing a bargain price of £30. Technically £30 for 2 season tickets for young children. Now if that is not a bargain and can't get kids into the CG then nothing will. Sorry but apathy is a term I have heard aimed at the people of Swindon, regarding supporting their football team. Sadly it is difficult to argue against. Of course the current economic climate cannot be over-looked and I can understand in these situations where people find it difficult to find the money. .....but our Board have done more than enough in my opinion to entice a new generation of fans to come down to the CG. Its down to "us" now.[/p][/quote]I get REALLY FED UP WITH THESE OUT OF TOWNERS WHO BANG ON ABOUT ATTENDANCES JUST WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE!!!..Rockin Robin's Uncle!!!???? ---. I mean this DUKE bloke!!!???...he can't even outshout me so who is he to moan eh!? ---. :-) ===. Hey there Duke!!...as per you I don't think this club can do much more as my son's both get free season tickets with me and my Dad....why on earth would many of the migrants want to spend their money on STFC....many have different agendas as well, which I won't go into, but most don't have any interest in football at this level. ---. What we need to remember is that 3rd Division to these guys is equivalent to their 2nd division / the Scottish 3rd Division with 200+ fans attending. ---. Except for a certain un-named side who lost to STIRLING 1-0 on Saturday - I'm still belly laughing at that one!! :-0 (May be linked to me having Celtic as a second team...ooops gave it away there!) ---. What is the answer?...the loyalty of most is huge.....even those who can't afford to go every week - what we need to do is to convert 2-5% of the newer residents of Swindon that this is a COMMUNITY project, that the club need their support.....and to get just 1% of those that don't come any more to come back. SAPFanSTFC
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3:38pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Davidsyrett says...

stigger wrote:
Oxon-Red wrote:
On Ticket offers, Town have one currently. The text below is copied and pasted from the Official site:

"Supporters purchasing tickets at normal price for the Yeovil Town game on Saturday 17th November (K.O. 3pm) can also purchase a ticket for the same category or lower for the Brentford game on Tuesday 20th November (K.O.7.45pm) at the promotional prices below. Season ticket holders are also able to take advantage of this promotion for the same category or lower at the prices below (maximum of 1 per season ticket)

Adult - £15

Senior Citizen/Student - £12

Young Adult (16-18) - £10

Junior (Under 15) - £7"

I will be mentioning this to my brother, who comes to a decent number of games despite living in Brum, to see if he will fit in another game. Other season ticket holders could do similar to help boost attendances.

Like many have said though, I am not sure these offers are publicised well enough. As mentioned by someone, a shop in the Town would a great start.

COYMR
Cheers for that, cant afford to get to all games and that will prob decide Novembers home games, also got bonus of nearby away games that month being midlands based
This is the first I have heard of the deal and I'm a season ticket holder. Why do the club not send out letters, e-mails or posters around town broadcasting the deal.
[quote][p][bold]stigger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: On Ticket offers, Town have one currently. The text below is copied and pasted from the Official site: "Supporters purchasing tickets at normal price for the Yeovil Town game on Saturday 17th November (K.O. 3pm) can also purchase a ticket for the same category or lower for the Brentford game on Tuesday 20th November (K.O.7.45pm) at the promotional prices below. Season ticket holders are also able to take advantage of this promotion for the same category or lower at the prices below (maximum of 1 per season ticket) Adult - £15 Senior Citizen/Student - £12 Young Adult (16-18) - £10 Junior (Under 15) - £7" I will be mentioning this to my brother, who comes to a decent number of games despite living in Brum, to see if he will fit in another game. Other season ticket holders could do similar to help boost attendances. Like many have said though, I am not sure these offers are publicised well enough. As mentioned by someone, a shop in the Town would a great start. COYMR[/p][/quote]Cheers for that, cant afford to get to all games and that will prob decide Novembers home games, also got bonus of nearby away games that month being midlands based[/p][/quote]This is the first I have heard of the deal and I'm a season ticket holder. Why do the club not send out letters, e-mails or posters around town broadcasting the deal. Davidsyrett
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3:43pm Tue 9 Oct 12

SAPFanSTFC says...

How about the Advertiser having a big banner heading on the front page stating:
---.
ADULTS ONLY £15...UNDR 15s ONLY £7 for YEOVIL and.....etc.
---.
....even if it is for small percentage i.e. 0.1% of any attendance increase achieved.
Just has to be a local answer here!?
How about the Advertiser having a big banner heading on the front page stating: ---. ADULTS ONLY £15...UNDR 15s ONLY £7 for YEOVIL and.....etc. ---. ....even if it is for small percentage i.e. 0.1% of any attendance increase achieved. Just has to be a local answer here!? SAPFanSTFC
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3:51pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Malkym says...

Oxon-Red wrote:
On Ticket offers, Town have one currently. The text below is copied and pasted from the Official site:

"Supporters purchasing tickets at normal price for the Yeovil Town game on Saturday 17th November (K.O. 3pm) can also purchase a ticket for the same category or lower for the Brentford game on Tuesday 20th November (K.O.7.45pm) at the promotional prices below. Season ticket holders are also able to take advantage of this promotion for the same category or lower at the prices below (maximum of 1 per season ticket)

Adult - £15

Senior Citizen/Student - £12

Young Adult (16-18) - £10

Junior (Under 15) - £7"

I will be mentioning this to my brother, who comes to a decent number of games despite living in Brum, to see if he will fit in another game. Other season ticket holders could do similar to help boost attendances.

Like many have said though, I am not sure these offers are publicised well enough. As mentioned by someone, a shop in the Town would a great start.

COYMR
So in a nutshell that equates to a cost of £40 for under 60's & £31 for overs. (I'm talking DR Arkells for ease of illustration). I'll have some of the latter but even with those reductions some will struggle and one has to appreciate everybody's circumstances are different.
[quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: On Ticket offers, Town have one currently. The text below is copied and pasted from the Official site: "Supporters purchasing tickets at normal price for the Yeovil Town game on Saturday 17th November (K.O. 3pm) can also purchase a ticket for the same category or lower for the Brentford game on Tuesday 20th November (K.O.7.45pm) at the promotional prices below. Season ticket holders are also able to take advantage of this promotion for the same category or lower at the prices below (maximum of 1 per season ticket) Adult - £15 Senior Citizen/Student - £12 Young Adult (16-18) - £10 Junior (Under 15) - £7" I will be mentioning this to my brother, who comes to a decent number of games despite living in Brum, to see if he will fit in another game. Other season ticket holders could do similar to help boost attendances. Like many have said though, I am not sure these offers are publicised well enough. As mentioned by someone, a shop in the Town would a great start. COYMR[/p][/quote]So in a nutshell that equates to a cost of £40 for under 60's & £31 for overs. (I'm talking DR Arkells for ease of illustration). I'll have some of the latter but even with those reductions some will struggle and one has to appreciate everybody's circumstances are different. Malkym
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3:52pm Tue 9 Oct 12

stigger says...

Davidsyrett wrote:
stigger wrote:
Oxon-Red wrote:
On Ticket offers, Town have one currently. The text below is copied and pasted from the Official site:

"Supporters purchasing tickets at normal price for the Yeovil Town game on Saturday 17th November (K.O. 3pm) can also purchase a ticket for the same category or lower for the Brentford game on Tuesday 20th November (K.O.7.45pm) at the promotional prices below. Season ticket holders are also able to take advantage of this promotion for the same category or lower at the prices below (maximum of 1 per season ticket)

Adult - £15

Senior Citizen/Student - £12

Young Adult (16-18) - £10

Junior (Under 15) - £7"

I will be mentioning this to my brother, who comes to a decent number of games despite living in Brum, to see if he will fit in another game. Other season ticket holders could do similar to help boost attendances.

Like many have said though, I am not sure these offers are publicised well enough. As mentioned by someone, a shop in the Town would a great start.

COYMR
Cheers for that, cant afford to get to all games and that will prob decide Novembers home games, also got bonus of nearby away games that month being midlands based
This is the first I have heard of the deal and I'm a season ticket holder. Why do the club not send out letters, e-mails or posters around town broadcasting the deal.
to be fair i do normally receive e-mails from club advertising offers but this is first i've heard of this one, perhaps it has gone on official site first. Either way i'll be taking them up on it!!
[quote][p][bold]Davidsyrett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stigger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: On Ticket offers, Town have one currently. The text below is copied and pasted from the Official site: "Supporters purchasing tickets at normal price for the Yeovil Town game on Saturday 17th November (K.O. 3pm) can also purchase a ticket for the same category or lower for the Brentford game on Tuesday 20th November (K.O.7.45pm) at the promotional prices below. Season ticket holders are also able to take advantage of this promotion for the same category or lower at the prices below (maximum of 1 per season ticket) Adult - £15 Senior Citizen/Student - £12 Young Adult (16-18) - £10 Junior (Under 15) - £7" I will be mentioning this to my brother, who comes to a decent number of games despite living in Brum, to see if he will fit in another game. Other season ticket holders could do similar to help boost attendances. Like many have said though, I am not sure these offers are publicised well enough. As mentioned by someone, a shop in the Town would a great start. COYMR[/p][/quote]Cheers for that, cant afford to get to all games and that will prob decide Novembers home games, also got bonus of nearby away games that month being midlands based[/p][/quote]This is the first I have heard of the deal and I'm a season ticket holder. Why do the club not send out letters, e-mails or posters around town broadcasting the deal.[/p][/quote]to be fair i do normally receive e-mails from club advertising offers but this is first i've heard of this one, perhaps it has gone on official site first. Either way i'll be taking them up on it!! stigger
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4:03pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Oxon-Red says...

Malkym wrote:
TheDukeOfBanbury wrote:
the wizard wrote: After carrying out a sort of survey among family and friends in Swindon and surrounding area, there seems to be a lot of apathy towards the club because of the way it was run before the new board took over, especially among the older people asked. Its all down to the past. Everyone has said the club seems to be doing well, but are none committal because our present upwards journey is only seen as a temporary one. The question often asked is how long will it be before the club is on its uppers again, so the present situation does little to help that as people surmise the facts rather than check them out. Marketing aimed at the younger generations I see as they way forwards, schools, clubs, colleges even concessions to larger companies where perhaps a deal can be done as many have suggested before on say books of tickets at a good price, say five tickets over a choice of ten listed games. A promotion of half season tickets at Xmas, again at a promotional price for a limited period, in an effort to get S/T sales up from where it is.
Wiz you hit the right word - "apathy". To be honest I get a bit fed up with the "I will go when such and such is no longer Manager brigade" and the never ending excuses as to why people don't go. As a season Ticket holder I both enrolled by 2 boys as Junior Red members costing a bargain price of £30. Technically £30 for 2 season tickets for young children. Now if that is not a bargain and can't get kids into the CG then nothing will. Sorry but apathy is a term I have heard aimed at the people of Swindon, regarding supporting their football team. Sadly it is difficult to argue against. Of course the current economic climate cannot be over-looked and I can understand in these situations where people find it difficult to find the money. .....but our Board have done more than enough in my opinion to entice a new generation of fans to come down to the CG. Its down to "us" now.
Duke I think its a bit blase to say apathy and also I'm a bit fed up with I'll go when such and such etc... for my part and doubtless I'll get slated for saying it again but I want to be entertained first and foremost and value for my hard earned second- while PdC is boss wild horses won't keep me away - if Malpass returned free entry wouldn't drag me in there. This subject has been debated on here to death like a lot of others.Alternative leisure options and other interests such as Speedway to be topical, Racing, etc and many participating in sports like golf or local leagues when town have a game -far greater options than the bygone days Wizman refers to when it was footy or nowt. The economic factor has been mentioned and has to be taken into consideration - Duke mentions the absolute value of Junior Reds -no argument there but what about when the boys are strapping 16 year olds, still at school/college -not earning and the £30 rises to £90? Not quite so clear cut then is it? duke may well be in a position to stump up that sort of cash but not everybody can and again as Wizman says its all about priorities. I fully agree that the club could improve its marketing strategies - and "catch 'em young" is a good one amongst other suggestions - free entry for school parties to what are expected to be average attended games to generate more noise - its not as though we're packed out are we? Strange if its not rocket science to us why it is to JW & Co. even though he's said -good ideas but sat on them it seems. They could do much to expand this side of the club to complement the excellent hospitality & mascot packages etc.
Wiz,

The school parties scheme would be good and I have supported this in the past. Just one kid hooked out of the group is one more (two with dad/mum maybe) for the future.

Town (STFCITC) do a scheme for local kids football teams with training in the morning, lunch and a ticket to the game. My daughter would love to take her team of Under 10's but the £20 each cost is a barrier. I am not expecting them to provide it for free but believe they would get more takers if it was less expensive.

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]Malkym[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheDukeOfBanbury[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: After carrying out a sort of survey among family and friends in Swindon and surrounding area, there seems to be a lot of apathy towards the club because of the way it was run before the new board took over, especially among the older people asked. Its all down to the past. Everyone has said the club seems to be doing well, but are none committal because our present upwards journey is only seen as a temporary one. The question often asked is how long will it be before the club is on its uppers again, so the present situation does little to help that as people surmise the facts rather than check them out. Marketing aimed at the younger generations I see as they way forwards, schools, clubs, colleges even concessions to larger companies where perhaps a deal can be done as many have suggested before on say books of tickets at a good price, say five tickets over a choice of ten listed games. A promotion of half season tickets at Xmas, again at a promotional price for a limited period, in an effort to get S/T sales up from where it is.[/p][/quote]Wiz you hit the right word - "apathy". To be honest I get a bit fed up with the "I will go when such and such is no longer Manager brigade" and the never ending excuses as to why people don't go. As a season Ticket holder I both enrolled by 2 boys as Junior Red members costing a bargain price of £30. Technically £30 for 2 season tickets for young children. Now if that is not a bargain and can't get kids into the CG then nothing will. Sorry but apathy is a term I have heard aimed at the people of Swindon, regarding supporting their football team. Sadly it is difficult to argue against. Of course the current economic climate cannot be over-looked and I can understand in these situations where people find it difficult to find the money. .....but our Board have done more than enough in my opinion to entice a new generation of fans to come down to the CG. Its down to "us" now.[/p][/quote]Duke I think its a bit blase to say apathy and also I'm a bit fed up with I'll go when such and such etc... for my part and doubtless I'll get slated for saying it again but I want to be entertained first and foremost and value for my hard earned second- while PdC is boss wild horses won't keep me away - if Malpass returned free entry wouldn't drag me in there. This subject has been debated on here to death like a lot of others.Alternative leisure options and other interests such as Speedway to be topical, Racing, etc and many participating in sports like golf or local leagues when town have a game -far greater options than the bygone days Wizman refers to when it was footy or nowt. The economic factor has been mentioned and has to be taken into consideration - Duke mentions the absolute value of Junior Reds -no argument there but what about when the boys are strapping 16 year olds, still at school/college -not earning and the £30 rises to £90? Not quite so clear cut then is it? duke may well be in a position to stump up that sort of cash but not everybody can and again as Wizman says its all about priorities. I fully agree that the club could improve its marketing strategies - and "catch 'em young" is a good one amongst other suggestions - free entry for school parties to what are expected to be average attended games to generate more noise - its not as though we're packed out are we? Strange if its not rocket science to us why it is to JW & Co. even though he's said -good ideas but sat on them it seems. They could do much to expand this side of the club to complement the excellent hospitality & mascot packages etc.[/p][/quote]Wiz, The school parties scheme would be good and I have supported this in the past. Just one kid hooked out of the group is one more (two with dad/mum maybe) for the future. Town (STFCITC) do a scheme for local kids football teams with training in the morning, lunch and a ticket to the game. My daughter would love to take her team of Under 10's but the £20 each cost is a barrier. I am not expecting them to provide it for free but believe they would get more takers if it was less expensive. COYMR Oxon-Red
  • Score: 0

4:12pm Tue 9 Oct 12

SeanG92 says...

Don't think there was ever much worry from supporters. We all knew the figures and the reasons for the problems early on which helped prevent any false panic. Nice to see Wray addressing the fans and keeping us up to date on the matter.

Seems the simple solution is for more fans to start turning up and for the players to go out and hammer Aston Villa and get a big tie on TV in the next round.
Don't think there was ever much worry from supporters. We all knew the figures and the reasons for the problems early on which helped prevent any false panic. Nice to see Wray addressing the fans and keeping us up to date on the matter. Seems the simple solution is for more fans to start turning up and for the players to go out and hammer Aston Villa and get a big tie on TV in the next round. SeanG92
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4:16pm Tue 9 Oct 12

the wizard says...

Malkym,

Yo-ho-ho, Christmas has just arrived and I love it, a new name and I love it,

W I Z M A N,

even the wife thinks it is ok, she reckons you have seen my driving !!

But you better tell your mate or he will accuse me of something not of my doing, hmm Wizman, I like it you good old boy. You better tell Spyder too. Made my day.
Malkym, Yo-ho-ho, Christmas has just arrived and I love it, a new name and I love it, W I Z M A N, even the wife thinks it is ok, she reckons you have seen my driving !! But you better tell your mate or he will accuse me of something not of my doing, hmm Wizman, I like it you good old boy. You better tell Spyder too. Made my day. the wizard
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4:30pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Davidsyrett says...

SAPFanSTFC wrote:
How about the Advertiser having a big banner heading on the front page stating:
---.
ADULTS ONLY £15...UNDR 15s ONLY £7 for YEOVIL and.....etc.
---.
....even if it is for small percentage i.e. 0.1% of any attendance increase achieved.
Just has to be a local answer here!?
LOL: 0.1%, don't think your being too generous do you SAP
[quote][p][bold]SAPFanSTFC[/bold] wrote: How about the Advertiser having a big banner heading on the front page stating: ---. ADULTS ONLY £15...UNDR 15s ONLY £7 for YEOVIL and.....etc. ---. ....even if it is for small percentage i.e. 0.1% of any attendance increase achieved. Just has to be a local answer here!?[/p][/quote]LOL: 0.1%, don't think your being too generous do you SAP Davidsyrett
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4:38pm Tue 9 Oct 12

MidlandRobin says...

Angolan Red wrote:
Decanio has to wake up and smell the coffee, we have enough players its just Decanios childish behaviour in openly critising players ones that hes signed does nothing for confidence. Stop moaning cut your cloth to the budget we have. Come January bring back Caddis who makes Ritchie a better player and if Decanio doesnt like it show Decanio the door before he walks away leaving the club in debt undoing all Fittons good work
Spot on lad.
[quote][p][bold]Angolan Red[/bold] wrote: Decanio has to wake up and smell the coffee, we have enough players its just Decanios childish behaviour in openly critising players ones that hes signed does nothing for confidence. Stop moaning cut your cloth to the budget we have. Come January bring back Caddis who makes Ritchie a better player and if Decanio doesnt like it show Decanio the door before he walks away leaving the club in debt undoing all Fittons good work[/p][/quote]Spot on lad. MidlandRobin
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4:38pm Tue 9 Oct 12

stfc2011 says...

Angolan Red wrote:
Decanio has to wake up and smell the coffee, we have enough players its just Decanios childish behaviour in openly critising players ones that hes signed does nothing for confidence. Stop moaning cut your cloth to the budget we have. Come January bring back Caddis who makes Ritchie a better player and if Decanio doesnt like it show Decanio the door before he walks away leaving the club in debt undoing all Fittons good work
yes agree with you. we have loads of players and some players must be very annoyed with not playing a lot. if anything we need to get rid of players. I think we should bring Caddis back in January as Ritchie links up with caddis and ferry very well, i havent really seen ritchie play that well since caddis has gone and he hardly gets the ball now, Di canio should not worry about his ego and do whats best for STFC and thats to bring caddis back. Also i back Di Canio he has done a good job so far but i hate the way its all about him and he makes it all about him, also its very childish to say its his way or thats it your out., I think it will all end in tears and he will walk eventually leaving us in debt, I dont think he is as loyal as he says he is, As no club has come for him, I bet if a top championship club or low premier league club came Di canio would walk its in his nature, As wray said it was a gamble appointing him. I know we won l2 last season but come on its a very poor league and so we should have won that league on the budget we had as no one else in L2 had that sort of money. The difference is League 1 is harder, and we are not going to have it our own way, there are good sides in this league such as MK Dons, Sheffield United, Bournemouth who will turn the corner with the players they have, Coventry City, We have also seen lower teams like Orient and Colchester can beat us so those teams will be harder to beat as well.

I expect we will finish in a play off spot and we have a good chance of going up. What i think is we have a good enough squad in this league and he shoul stick with those players and use them not keep falling out with players and showing them the door, as you know football can change and if he carries on we will soon end up towards the bottom end if he isnt going to get the players behind him,

It must be hard for them players to work under his volitile self.

Also he is putting pressure on Jermey Wray to sort this out well JW has been one of the best chairmans we have had, he works very hard for this club and he has backed Di canio money wise a huge amount we cant keep spend spend spend.

All i can say is JW will sort this out, di canio needs to use the squad we have and make them better players, and bring caddis back as soon as we can which will make us stronger.
[quote][p][bold]Angolan Red[/bold] wrote: Decanio has to wake up and smell the coffee, we have enough players its just Decanios childish behaviour in openly critising players ones that hes signed does nothing for confidence. Stop moaning cut your cloth to the budget we have. Come January bring back Caddis who makes Ritchie a better player and if Decanio doesnt like it show Decanio the door before he walks away leaving the club in debt undoing all Fittons good work[/p][/quote]yes agree with you. we have loads of players and some players must be very annoyed with not playing a lot. if anything we need to get rid of players. I think we should bring Caddis back in January as Ritchie links up with caddis and ferry very well, i havent really seen ritchie play that well since caddis has gone and he hardly gets the ball now, Di canio should not worry about his ego and do whats best for STFC and thats to bring caddis back. Also i back Di Canio he has done a good job so far but i hate the way its all about him and he makes it all about him, also its very childish to say its his way or thats it your out., I think it will all end in tears and he will walk eventually leaving us in debt, I dont think he is as loyal as he says he is, As no club has come for him, I bet if a top championship club or low premier league club came Di canio would walk its in his nature, As wray said it was a gamble appointing him. I know we won l2 last season but come on its a very poor league and so we should have won that league on the budget we had as no one else in L2 had that sort of money. The difference is League 1 is harder, and we are not going to have it our own way, there are good sides in this league such as MK Dons, Sheffield United, Bournemouth who will turn the corner with the players they have, Coventry City, We have also seen lower teams like Orient and Colchester can beat us so those teams will be harder to beat as well. I expect we will finish in a play off spot and we have a good chance of going up. What i think is we have a good enough squad in this league and he shoul stick with those players and use them not keep falling out with players and showing them the door, as you know football can change and if he carries on we will soon end up towards the bottom end if he isnt going to get the players behind him, It must be hard for them players to work under his volitile self. Also he is putting pressure on Jermey Wray to sort this out well JW has been one of the best chairmans we have had, he works very hard for this club and he has backed Di canio money wise a huge amount we cant keep spend spend spend. All i can say is JW will sort this out, di canio needs to use the squad we have and make them better players, and bring caddis back as soon as we can which will make us stronger. stfc2011
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5:01pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Malkym says...

To the Caddis crew! Think all you like, wish all you like. Because of the manner in which they parted company there's more chance of hell freezing over than PC playing in a Town shirt again I reckon unless Paolo eats some humble pie and that ain't going to happen.
To the Caddis crew! Think all you like, wish all you like. Because of the manner in which they parted company there's more chance of hell freezing over than PC playing in a Town shirt again I reckon unless Paolo eats some humble pie and that ain't going to happen. Malkym
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5:14pm Tue 9 Oct 12

madterrier says...

TheDukeOfBanbury wrote:
california andy wrote:
I think another option is to obtain additional sponsorship. I seem to remember Man City doing this with their stadium to allow them to do an end run around the rules and continue to splash the cash. May not be a realistic option for Swindon though. Come on Honda, you know you ought to do it!
I think it should come first from the Swindon public who need to start coming down the CG more often.

We are the Man Utd of Division 1 with a large proportion of our fan base outside of Swindon.

Even amoungst the regulars I sit with I would say 70% are from "out of Town."
Supported by places as:

Kidlington
Didcot
Harwell
Banbury
Southmoor
Grove

Mind you makes great reading when you see so many "Oxon" based fans not supporting their "local" team ;) ;)
And London! When we set up Swindon Supporters in London in the late 1980s we quickly managed to get up to 100 members in a couple of years and took two minibuses to the Blackburn play-off semi.

One good marketing initiative by the board would be to discount ticket prices for people who travel long distances to home games. If you drive on your own (OK I never go on my own) there's £30-35 of petrol spent before you start, or add in other costs of motoring (e.g. tyres). That's not about special treatment, but about incentivising people who have to take total cost into consideration.
[quote][p][bold]TheDukeOfBanbury[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]california andy[/bold] wrote: I think another option is to obtain additional sponsorship. I seem to remember Man City doing this with their stadium to allow them to do an end run around the rules and continue to splash the cash. May not be a realistic option for Swindon though. Come on Honda, you know you ought to do it![/p][/quote]I think it should come first from the Swindon public who need to start coming down the CG more often. We are the Man Utd of Division 1 with a large proportion of our fan base outside of Swindon. Even amoungst the regulars I sit with I would say 70% are from "out of Town." Supported by places as: Kidlington Didcot Harwell Banbury Southmoor Grove Mind you makes great reading when you see so many "Oxon" based fans not supporting their "local" team ;) ;)[/p][/quote]And London! When we set up Swindon Supporters in London in the late 1980s we quickly managed to get up to 100 members in a couple of years and took two minibuses to the Blackburn play-off semi. One good marketing initiative by the board would be to discount ticket prices for people who travel long distances to home games. If you drive on your own (OK I never go on my own) there's £30-35 of petrol spent before you start, or add in other costs of motoring (e.g. tyres). That's not about special treatment, but about incentivising people who have to take total cost into consideration. madterrier
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5:52pm Tue 9 Oct 12

TheDukeOfBanbury says...

Nothing beats following "your" Club home and away.
I still get that buzz before and during a game.
Sad as it may sound that STFC is part of my life and I still make sacrifices not to miss a game.
Even more bizarre that I live far away and have no real connection to the Town of Swindon.

That game way back in 1974/5 season against Sheffield Weds changed my life.

"The lads" are the official Match Sponsors vs Scunthorpe and we do this a few times each season.
It's just in the blood, rain or shine, great performance or poor performance and always proud that I was one of those poor so and so's stood in the TE against Darlington with a gate of around 1,700............

Finally still makes me proud wearing my Swindon shirt around Poxfordshire and my boys wearing their colours. As well as meeting other Town fans throughout those good and bad years.........you are all looking older now !! love The Duke.

All I wish for is a packed CG.
Nothing beats following "your" Club home and away. I still get that buzz before and during a game. Sad as it may sound that STFC is part of my life and I still make sacrifices not to miss a game. Even more bizarre that I live far away and have no real connection to the Town of Swindon. That game way back in 1974/5 season against Sheffield Weds changed my life. "The lads" are the official Match Sponsors vs Scunthorpe and we do this a few times each season. It's just in the blood, rain or shine, great performance or poor performance and always proud that I was one of those poor so and so's stood in the TE against Darlington with a gate of around 1,700............ Finally still makes me proud wearing my Swindon shirt around Poxfordshire and my boys wearing their colours. As well as meeting other Town fans throughout those good and bad years.........you are all looking older now !! love The Duke. All I wish for is a packed CG. TheDukeOfBanbury
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5:56pm Tue 9 Oct 12

graham81 says...

love love love love Mr Wray, this club has been nothing but excitement since he took over and long may it continue.

WELL DONE JEREMY !!!!
love love love love Mr Wray, this club has been nothing but excitement since he took over and long may it continue. WELL DONE JEREMY !!!! graham81
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5:57pm Tue 9 Oct 12

joey butler says...

Just heard on Sky Sports News that PDC is 12-1 for the Bolton job, good to see him mentioned at a much bigger club, although I think West Ham would be his dream.

At least it proves he is getting noticed, well done PDC.
Just heard on Sky Sports News that PDC is 12-1 for the Bolton job, good to see him mentioned at a much bigger club, although I think West Ham would be his dream. At least it proves he is getting noticed, well done PDC. joey butler
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6:29pm Tue 9 Oct 12

mancrobin says...

Oxon-Red wrote:
Malkym wrote:
TheDukeOfBanbury wrote:
the wizard wrote: After carrying out a sort of survey among family and friends in Swindon and surrounding area, there seems to be a lot of apathy towards the club because of the way it was run before the new board took over, especially among the older people asked. Its all down to the past. Everyone has said the club seems to be doing well, but are none committal because our present upwards journey is only seen as a temporary one. The question often asked is how long will it be before the club is on its uppers again, so the present situation does little to help that as people surmise the facts rather than check them out. Marketing aimed at the younger generations I see as they way forwards, schools, clubs, colleges even concessions to larger companies where perhaps a deal can be done as many have suggested before on say books of tickets at a good price, say five tickets over a choice of ten listed games. A promotion of half season tickets at Xmas, again at a promotional price for a limited period, in an effort to get S/T sales up from where it is.
Wiz you hit the right word - "apathy". To be honest I get a bit fed up with the "I will go when such and such is no longer Manager brigade" and the never ending excuses as to why people don't go. As a season Ticket holder I both enrolled by 2 boys as Junior Red members costing a bargain price of £30. Technically £30 for 2 season tickets for young children. Now if that is not a bargain and can't get kids into the CG then nothing will. Sorry but apathy is a term I have heard aimed at the people of Swindon, regarding supporting their football team. Sadly it is difficult to argue against. Of course the current economic climate cannot be over-looked and I can understand in these situations where people find it difficult to find the money. .....but our Board have done more than enough in my opinion to entice a new generation of fans to come down to the CG. Its down to "us" now.
Duke I think its a bit blase to say apathy and also I'm a bit fed up with I'll go when such and such etc... for my part and doubtless I'll get slated for saying it again but I want to be entertained first and foremost and value for my hard earned second- while PdC is boss wild horses won't keep me away - if Malpass returned free entry wouldn't drag me in there. This subject has been debated on here to death like a lot of others.Alternative leisure options and other interests such as Speedway to be topical, Racing, etc and many participating in sports like golf or local leagues when town have a game -far greater options than the bygone days Wizman refers to when it was footy or nowt. The economic factor has been mentioned and has to be taken into consideration - Duke mentions the absolute value of Junior Reds -no argument there but what about when the boys are strapping 16 year olds, still at school/college -not earning and the £30 rises to £90? Not quite so clear cut then is it? duke may well be in a position to stump up that sort of cash but not everybody can and again as Wizman says its all about priorities. I fully agree that the club could improve its marketing strategies - and "catch 'em young" is a good one amongst other suggestions - free entry for school parties to what are expected to be average attended games to generate more noise - its not as though we're packed out are we? Strange if its not rocket science to us why it is to JW & Co. even though he's said -good ideas but sat on them it seems. They could do much to expand this side of the club to complement the excellent hospitality & mascot packages etc.
Wiz,

The school parties scheme would be good and I have supported this in the past. Just one kid hooked out of the group is one more (two with dad/mum maybe) for the future.

Town (STFCITC) do a scheme for local kids football teams with training in the morning, lunch and a ticket to the game. My daughter would love to take her team of Under 10's but the £20 each cost is a barrier. I am not expecting them to provide it for free but believe they would get more takers if it was less expensive.

COYMR
This is a good thread and really gets to heart of the issue which is about the club's future viability and how to attract a much bigger fan base. On the latter, from a marketing point of view, I don't think it's helpful to blame those who don't come!

Which brings me to my main point. Isn't all of this the main responsibility of the Chief Executive, Nick Watkins? Why haven't we heard from him?
[quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Malkym[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheDukeOfBanbury[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: After carrying out a sort of survey among family and friends in Swindon and surrounding area, there seems to be a lot of apathy towards the club because of the way it was run before the new board took over, especially among the older people asked. Its all down to the past. Everyone has said the club seems to be doing well, but are none committal because our present upwards journey is only seen as a temporary one. The question often asked is how long will it be before the club is on its uppers again, so the present situation does little to help that as people surmise the facts rather than check them out. Marketing aimed at the younger generations I see as they way forwards, schools, clubs, colleges even concessions to larger companies where perhaps a deal can be done as many have suggested before on say books of tickets at a good price, say five tickets over a choice of ten listed games. A promotion of half season tickets at Xmas, again at a promotional price for a limited period, in an effort to get S/T sales up from where it is.[/p][/quote]Wiz you hit the right word - "apathy". To be honest I get a bit fed up with the "I will go when such and such is no longer Manager brigade" and the never ending excuses as to why people don't go. As a season Ticket holder I both enrolled by 2 boys as Junior Red members costing a bargain price of £30. Technically £30 for 2 season tickets for young children. Now if that is not a bargain and can't get kids into the CG then nothing will. Sorry but apathy is a term I have heard aimed at the people of Swindon, regarding supporting their football team. Sadly it is difficult to argue against. Of course the current economic climate cannot be over-looked and I can understand in these situations where people find it difficult to find the money. .....but our Board have done more than enough in my opinion to entice a new generation of fans to come down to the CG. Its down to "us" now.[/p][/quote]Duke I think its a bit blase to say apathy and also I'm a bit fed up with I'll go when such and such etc... for my part and doubtless I'll get slated for saying it again but I want to be entertained first and foremost and value for my hard earned second- while PdC is boss wild horses won't keep me away - if Malpass returned free entry wouldn't drag me in there. This subject has been debated on here to death like a lot of others.Alternative leisure options and other interests such as Speedway to be topical, Racing, etc and many participating in sports like golf or local leagues when town have a game -far greater options than the bygone days Wizman refers to when it was footy or nowt. The economic factor has been mentioned and has to be taken into consideration - Duke mentions the absolute value of Junior Reds -no argument there but what about when the boys are strapping 16 year olds, still at school/college -not earning and the £30 rises to £90? Not quite so clear cut then is it? duke may well be in a position to stump up that sort of cash but not everybody can and again as Wizman says its all about priorities. I fully agree that the club could improve its marketing strategies - and "catch 'em young" is a good one amongst other suggestions - free entry for school parties to what are expected to be average attended games to generate more noise - its not as though we're packed out are we? Strange if its not rocket science to us why it is to JW & Co. even though he's said -good ideas but sat on them it seems. They could do much to expand this side of the club to complement the excellent hospitality & mascot packages etc.[/p][/quote]Wiz, The school parties scheme would be good and I have supported this in the past. Just one kid hooked out of the group is one more (two with dad/mum maybe) for the future. Town (STFCITC) do a scheme for local kids football teams with training in the morning, lunch and a ticket to the game. My daughter would love to take her team of Under 10's but the £20 each cost is a barrier. I am not expecting them to provide it for free but believe they would get more takers if it was less expensive. COYMR[/p][/quote]This is a good thread and really gets to heart of the issue which is about the club's future viability and how to attract a much bigger fan base. On the latter, from a marketing point of view, I don't think it's helpful to blame those who don't come! Which brings me to my main point. Isn't all of this the main responsibility of the Chief Executive, Nick Watkins? Why haven't we heard from him? mancrobin
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6:43pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Wilesy says...

joey butler wrote:
Just heard on Sky Sports News that PDC is 12-1 for the Bolton job, good to see him mentioned at a much bigger club, although I think West Ham would be his dream.

At least it proves he is getting noticed, well done PDC.
I would think it unlikely a club would take a gamble on PDC at present, but should it happen then I would quite settle for Owen Coyle as our next manager, I like his 'controlled passionate' style of management, and the way he handled the Muamba situation was exemplary.
[quote][p][bold]joey butler[/bold] wrote: Just heard on Sky Sports News that PDC is 12-1 for the Bolton job, good to see him mentioned at a much bigger club, although I think West Ham would be his dream. At least it proves he is getting noticed, well done PDC.[/p][/quote]I would think it unlikely a club would take a gamble on PDC at present, but should it happen then I would quite settle for Owen Coyle as our next manager, I like his 'controlled passionate' style of management, and the way he handled the Muamba situation was exemplary. Wilesy
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6:50pm Tue 9 Oct 12

the wizard says...

mancrobin wrote:
Oxon-Red wrote:
Malkym wrote:
TheDukeOfBanbury wrote:
the wizard wrote: After carrying out a sort of survey among family and friends in Swindon and surrounding area, there seems to be a lot of apathy towards the club because of the way it was run before the new board took over, especially among the older people asked. Its all down to the past. Everyone has said the club seems to be doing well, but are none committal because our present upwards journey is only seen as a temporary one. The question often asked is how long will it be before the club is on its uppers again, so the present situation does little to help that as people surmise the facts rather than check them out. Marketing aimed at the younger generations I see as they way forwards, schools, clubs, colleges even concessions to larger companies where perhaps a deal can be done as many have suggested before on say books of tickets at a good price, say five tickets over a choice of ten listed games. A promotion of half season tickets at Xmas, again at a promotional price for a limited period, in an effort to get S/T sales up from where it is.
Wiz you hit the right word - "apathy". To be honest I get a bit fed up with the "I will go when such and such is no longer Manager brigade" and the never ending excuses as to why people don't go. As a season Ticket holder I both enrolled by 2 boys as Junior Red members costing a bargain price of £30. Technically £30 for 2 season tickets for young children. Now if that is not a bargain and can't get kids into the CG then nothing will. Sorry but apathy is a term I have heard aimed at the people of Swindon, regarding supporting their football team. Sadly it is difficult to argue against. Of course the current economic climate cannot be over-looked and I can understand in these situations where people find it difficult to find the money. .....but our Board have done more than enough in my opinion to entice a new generation of fans to come down to the CG. Its down to "us" now.
Duke I think its a bit blase to say apathy and also I'm a bit fed up with I'll go when such and such etc... for my part and doubtless I'll get slated for saying it again but I want to be entertained first and foremost and value for my hard earned second- while PdC is boss wild horses won't keep me away - if Malpass returned free entry wouldn't drag me in there. This subject has been debated on here to death like a lot of others.Alternative leisure options and other interests such as Speedway to be topical, Racing, etc and many participating in sports like golf or local leagues when town have a game -far greater options than the bygone days Wizman refers to when it was footy or nowt. The economic factor has been mentioned and has to be taken into consideration - Duke mentions the absolute value of Junior Reds -no argument there but what about when the boys are strapping 16 year olds, still at school/college -not earning and the £30 rises to £90? Not quite so clear cut then is it? duke may well be in a position to stump up that sort of cash but not everybody can and again as Wizman says its all about priorities. I fully agree that the club could improve its marketing strategies - and "catch 'em young" is a good one amongst other suggestions - free entry for school parties to what are expected to be average attended games to generate more noise - its not as though we're packed out are we? Strange if its not rocket science to us why it is to JW & Co. even though he's said -good ideas but sat on them it seems. They could do much to expand this side of the club to complement the excellent hospitality & mascot packages etc.
Wiz,

The school parties scheme would be good and I have supported this in the past. Just one kid hooked out of the group is one more (two with dad/mum maybe) for the future.

Town (STFCITC) do a scheme for local kids football teams with training in the morning, lunch and a ticket to the game. My daughter would love to take her team of Under 10's but the £20 each cost is a barrier. I am not expecting them to provide it for free but believe they would get more takers if it was less expensive.

COYMR
This is a good thread and really gets to heart of the issue which is about the club's future viability and how to attract a much bigger fan base. On the latter, from a marketing point of view, I don't think it's helpful to blame those who don't come!

Which brings me to my main point. Isn't all of this the main responsibility of the Chief Executive, Nick Watkins? Why haven't we heard from him?
Nick Watkins is a great guy. When he has something constructive to say he will say it. I don't think he is the sort that rushes into things without doing research and so on first and then judging the viability of what ever is suggested. He is though very approachable and does listen to genuine concerns and well structured views. Like Wray, we are lucky to have him . If you write to him at the club then he will answer.
[quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Malkym[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheDukeOfBanbury[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: After carrying out a sort of survey among family and friends in Swindon and surrounding area, there seems to be a lot of apathy towards the club because of the way it was run before the new board took over, especially among the older people asked. Its all down to the past. Everyone has said the club seems to be doing well, but are none committal because our present upwards journey is only seen as a temporary one. The question often asked is how long will it be before the club is on its uppers again, so the present situation does little to help that as people surmise the facts rather than check them out. Marketing aimed at the younger generations I see as they way forwards, schools, clubs, colleges even concessions to larger companies where perhaps a deal can be done as many have suggested before on say books of tickets at a good price, say five tickets over a choice of ten listed games. A promotion of half season tickets at Xmas, again at a promotional price for a limited period, in an effort to get S/T sales up from where it is.[/p][/quote]Wiz you hit the right word - "apathy". To be honest I get a bit fed up with the "I will go when such and such is no longer Manager brigade" and the never ending excuses as to why people don't go. As a season Ticket holder I both enrolled by 2 boys as Junior Red members costing a bargain price of £30. Technically £30 for 2 season tickets for young children. Now if that is not a bargain and can't get kids into the CG then nothing will. Sorry but apathy is a term I have heard aimed at the people of Swindon, regarding supporting their football team. Sadly it is difficult to argue against. Of course the current economic climate cannot be over-looked and I can understand in these situations where people find it difficult to find the money. .....but our Board have done more than enough in my opinion to entice a new generation of fans to come down to the CG. Its down to "us" now.[/p][/quote]Duke I think its a bit blase to say apathy and also I'm a bit fed up with I'll go when such and such etc... for my part and doubtless I'll get slated for saying it again but I want to be entertained first and foremost and value for my hard earned second- while PdC is boss wild horses won't keep me away - if Malpass returned free entry wouldn't drag me in there. This subject has been debated on here to death like a lot of others.Alternative leisure options and other interests such as Speedway to be topical, Racing, etc and many participating in sports like golf or local leagues when town have a game -far greater options than the bygone days Wizman refers to when it was footy or nowt. The economic factor has been mentioned and has to be taken into consideration - Duke mentions the absolute value of Junior Reds -no argument there but what about when the boys are strapping 16 year olds, still at school/college -not earning and the £30 rises to £90? Not quite so clear cut then is it? duke may well be in a position to stump up that sort of cash but not everybody can and again as Wizman says its all about priorities. I fully agree that the club could improve its marketing strategies - and "catch 'em young" is a good one amongst other suggestions - free entry for school parties to what are expected to be average attended games to generate more noise - its not as though we're packed out are we? Strange if its not rocket science to us why it is to JW & Co. even though he's said -good ideas but sat on them it seems. They could do much to expand this side of the club to complement the excellent hospitality & mascot packages etc.[/p][/quote]Wiz, The school parties scheme would be good and I have supported this in the past. Just one kid hooked out of the group is one more (two with dad/mum maybe) for the future. Town (STFCITC) do a scheme for local kids football teams with training in the morning, lunch and a ticket to the game. My daughter would love to take her team of Under 10's but the £20 each cost is a barrier. I am not expecting them to provide it for free but believe they would get more takers if it was less expensive. COYMR[/p][/quote]This is a good thread and really gets to heart of the issue which is about the club's future viability and how to attract a much bigger fan base. On the latter, from a marketing point of view, I don't think it's helpful to blame those who don't come! Which brings me to my main point. Isn't all of this the main responsibility of the Chief Executive, Nick Watkins? Why haven't we heard from him?[/p][/quote]Nick Watkins is a great guy. When he has something constructive to say he will say it. I don't think he is the sort that rushes into things without doing research and so on first and then judging the viability of what ever is suggested. He is though very approachable and does listen to genuine concerns and well structured views. Like Wray, we are lucky to have him . If you write to him at the club then he will answer. the wizard
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7:16pm Tue 9 Oct 12

dreamofacleansheet2 says...

I am nearly losing the will to live today but thank you thank you The Duke Of Banbury for restoring my faith. Good on you sir, your kids and all who know you. Spot on.

As for some of the other stuff. Caddis jog on, why should Paolo eat humble pie? He wouldn't train as Poalo wants, no exceptions. Extraordinary. Tickets £25 with some promotions, excellent otherwise season tickets would be more. (and that's as someone who had to get the money together in the third phase to get one).

If Paolo goes to Bolton we'll have Owen Coyle, please slit my wrists... drip drip drip.... I like Owen Coyle a lot, I like his dignity and I like him as a manager. But our manager is better, he is not leaving and long may he stay here.

Whilst most don't like his outbursts if it's sole purpose is to keep clubs from higher divisions away then it's another reason I'll be happy. But tonight I'm not going to let the bar stewards get me down. Duke I shall be raising a glass to you, your family and your mates. Top draw.
I am nearly losing the will to live today but thank you thank you The Duke Of Banbury for restoring my faith. Good on you sir, your kids and all who know you. Spot on. As for some of the other stuff. Caddis jog on, why should Paolo eat humble pie? He wouldn't train as Poalo wants, no exceptions. Extraordinary. Tickets £25 with some promotions, excellent otherwise season tickets would be more. (and that's as someone who had to get the money together in the third phase to get one). If Paolo goes to Bolton we'll have Owen Coyle, please slit my wrists... drip drip drip.... I like Owen Coyle a lot, I like his dignity and I like him as a manager. But our manager is better, he is not leaving and long may he stay here. Whilst most don't like his outbursts if it's sole purpose is to keep clubs from higher divisions away then it's another reason I'll be happy. But tonight I'm not going to let the bar stewards get me down. Duke I shall be raising a glass to you, your family and your mates. Top draw. dreamofacleansheet2
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7:18pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Oi Den! says...

joey butler wrote:
Just heard on Sky Sports News that PDC is 12-1 for the Bolton job, good to see him mentioned at a much bigger club, although I think West Ham would be his dream.

At least it proves he is getting noticed, well done PDC.
Joey, Bolton MUCH bigger than us? They are certainly much higher than us at the moment. But with crowds of 22k - 23k in the Premier League (probably significantly bolstered by visiting fans), I'm not sure they are that much bigger than us. If we eventually get back to the Premier League, redeveloped ground and all, I don't think we'll be seen as much smaller than Bolton. Realistically, I can only see PDC leaving for a club that is either very big or very well resourced and heading upwards - but he's got that here so why leave? He is a canny fellow. Despite all his public outbursts, I think he knows he's on a good number at the Town. I wouldn't take 12/1 against him leaving here soon, let alone against him joining any particular club, except perhaps West Ham. The way I see it, only a major fall out with the Chairman would cause him to leave.
[quote][p][bold]joey butler[/bold] wrote: Just heard on Sky Sports News that PDC is 12-1 for the Bolton job, good to see him mentioned at a much bigger club, although I think West Ham would be his dream. At least it proves he is getting noticed, well done PDC.[/p][/quote]Joey, Bolton MUCH bigger than us? They are certainly much higher than us at the moment. But with crowds of 22k - 23k in the Premier League (probably significantly bolstered by visiting fans), I'm not sure they are that much bigger than us. If we eventually get back to the Premier League, redeveloped ground and all, I don't think we'll be seen as much smaller than Bolton. Realistically, I can only see PDC leaving for a club that is either very big or very well resourced and heading upwards - but he's got that here so why leave? He is a canny fellow. Despite all his public outbursts, I think he knows he's on a good number at the Town. I wouldn't take 12/1 against him leaving here soon, let alone against him joining any particular club, except perhaps West Ham. The way I see it, only a major fall out with the Chairman would cause him to leave. Oi Den!
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7:21pm Tue 9 Oct 12

mancrobin says...

the wizard wrote:
mancrobin wrote:
Oxon-Red wrote:
Malkym wrote:
TheDukeOfBanbury wrote:
the wizard wrote: After carrying out a sort of survey among family and friends in Swindon and surrounding area, there seems to be a lot of apathy towards the club because of the way it was run before the new board took over, especially among the older people asked. Its all down to the past. Everyone has said the club seems to be doing well, but are none committal because our present upwards journey is only seen as a temporary one. The question often asked is how long will it be before the club is on its uppers again, so the present situation does little to help that as people surmise the facts rather than check them out. Marketing aimed at the younger generations I see as they way forwards, schools, clubs, colleges even concessions to larger companies where perhaps a deal can be done as many have suggested before on say books of tickets at a good price, say five tickets over a choice of ten listed games. A promotion of half season tickets at Xmas, again at a promotional price for a limited period, in an effort to get S/T sales up from where it is.
Wiz you hit the right word - "apathy". To be honest I get a bit fed up with the "I will go when such and such is no longer Manager brigade" and the never ending excuses as to why people don't go. As a season Ticket holder I both enrolled by 2 boys as Junior Red members costing a bargain price of £30. Technically £30 for 2 season tickets for young children. Now if that is not a bargain and can't get kids into the CG then nothing will. Sorry but apathy is a term I have heard aimed at the people of Swindon, regarding supporting their football team. Sadly it is difficult to argue against. Of course the current economic climate cannot be over-looked and I can understand in these situations where people find it difficult to find the money. .....but our Board have done more than enough in my opinion to entice a new generation of fans to come down to the CG. Its down to "us" now.
Duke I think its a bit blase to say apathy and also I'm a bit fed up with I'll go when such and such etc... for my part and doubtless I'll get slated for saying it again but I want to be entertained first and foremost and value for my hard earned second- while PdC is boss wild horses won't keep me away - if Malpass returned free entry wouldn't drag me in there. This subject has been debated on here to death like a lot of others.Alternative leisure options and other interests such as Speedway to be topical, Racing, etc and many participating in sports like golf or local leagues when town have a game -far greater options than the bygone days Wizman refers to when it was footy or nowt. The economic factor has been mentioned and has to be taken into consideration - Duke mentions the absolute value of Junior Reds -no argument there but what about when the boys are strapping 16 year olds, still at school/college -not earning and the £30 rises to £90? Not quite so clear cut then is it? duke may well be in a position to stump up that sort of cash but not everybody can and again as Wizman says its all about priorities. I fully agree that the club could improve its marketing strategies - and "catch 'em young" is a good one amongst other suggestions - free entry for school parties to what are expected to be average attended games to generate more noise - its not as though we're packed out are we? Strange if its not rocket science to us why it is to JW & Co. even though he's said -good ideas but sat on them it seems. They could do much to expand this side of the club to complement the excellent hospitality & mascot packages etc.
Wiz,

The school parties scheme would be good and I have supported this in the past. Just one kid hooked out of the group is one more (two with dad/mum maybe) for the future.

Town (STFCITC) do a scheme for local kids football teams with training in the morning, lunch and a ticket to the game. My daughter would love to take her team of Under 10's but the £20 each cost is a barrier. I am not expecting them to provide it for free but believe they would get more takers if it was less expensive.

COYMR
This is a good thread and really gets to heart of the issue which is about the club's future viability and how to attract a much bigger fan base. On the latter, from a marketing point of view, I don't think it's helpful to blame those who don't come!

Which brings me to my main point. Isn't all of this the main responsibility of the Chief Executive, Nick Watkins? Why haven't we heard from him?
Nick Watkins is a great guy. When he has something constructive to say he will say it. I don't think he is the sort that rushes into things without doing research and so on first and then judging the viability of what ever is suggested. He is though very approachable and does listen to genuine concerns and well structured views. Like Wray, we are lucky to have him . If you write to him at the club then he will answer.
I think that when the FA have put an embargo on the Club and your Chairman and Head Coach are having a dialogue in public, this is the time for leadership. surely there's a role for the CX in this?

We don't to return to the dark days of going into administration, we do want a Club going forward and we do want a new stadium. Again, I would have thought the CX would be central to all that.

I'm sure he is a great guy. Is he a great CX? I've genuinely no idea?
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Malkym[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheDukeOfBanbury[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: After carrying out a sort of survey among family and friends in Swindon and surrounding area, there seems to be a lot of apathy towards the club because of the way it was run before the new board took over, especially among the older people asked. Its all down to the past. Everyone has said the club seems to be doing well, but are none committal because our present upwards journey is only seen as a temporary one. The question often asked is how long will it be before the club is on its uppers again, so the present situation does little to help that as people surmise the facts rather than check them out. Marketing aimed at the younger generations I see as they way forwards, schools, clubs, colleges even concessions to larger companies where perhaps a deal can be done as many have suggested before on say books of tickets at a good price, say five tickets over a choice of ten listed games. A promotion of half season tickets at Xmas, again at a promotional price for a limited period, in an effort to get S/T sales up from where it is.[/p][/quote]Wiz you hit the right word - "apathy". To be honest I get a bit fed up with the "I will go when such and such is no longer Manager brigade" and the never ending excuses as to why people don't go. As a season Ticket holder I both enrolled by 2 boys as Junior Red members costing a bargain price of £30. Technically £30 for 2 season tickets for young children. Now if that is not a bargain and can't get kids into the CG then nothing will. Sorry but apathy is a term I have heard aimed at the people of Swindon, regarding supporting their football team. Sadly it is difficult to argue against. Of course the current economic climate cannot be over-looked and I can understand in these situations where people find it difficult to find the money. .....but our Board have done more than enough in my opinion to entice a new generation of fans to come down to the CG. Its down to "us" now.[/p][/quote]Duke I think its a bit blase to say apathy and also I'm a bit fed up with I'll go when such and such etc... for my part and doubtless I'll get slated for saying it again but I want to be entertained first and foremost and value for my hard earned second- while PdC is boss wild horses won't keep me away - if Malpass returned free entry wouldn't drag me in there. This subject has been debated on here to death like a lot of others.Alternative leisure options and other interests such as Speedway to be topical, Racing, etc and many participating in sports like golf or local leagues when town have a game -far greater options than the bygone days Wizman refers to when it was footy or nowt. The economic factor has been mentioned and has to be taken into consideration - Duke mentions the absolute value of Junior Reds -no argument there but what about when the boys are strapping 16 year olds, still at school/college -not earning and the £30 rises to £90? Not quite so clear cut then is it? duke may well be in a position to stump up that sort of cash but not everybody can and again as Wizman says its all about priorities. I fully agree that the club could improve its marketing strategies - and "catch 'em young" is a good one amongst other suggestions - free entry for school parties to what are expected to be average attended games to generate more noise - its not as though we're packed out are we? Strange if its not rocket science to us why it is to JW & Co. even though he's said -good ideas but sat on them it seems. They could do much to expand this side of the club to complement the excellent hospitality & mascot packages etc.[/p][/quote]Wiz, The school parties scheme would be good and I have supported this in the past. Just one kid hooked out of the group is one more (two with dad/mum maybe) for the future. Town (STFCITC) do a scheme for local kids football teams with training in the morning, lunch and a ticket to the game. My daughter would love to take her team of Under 10's but the £20 each cost is a barrier. I am not expecting them to provide it for free but believe they would get more takers if it was less expensive. COYMR[/p][/quote]This is a good thread and really gets to heart of the issue which is about the club's future viability and how to attract a much bigger fan base. On the latter, from a marketing point of view, I don't think it's helpful to blame those who don't come! Which brings me to my main point. Isn't all of this the main responsibility of the Chief Executive, Nick Watkins? Why haven't we heard from him?[/p][/quote]Nick Watkins is a great guy. When he has something constructive to say he will say it. I don't think he is the sort that rushes into things without doing research and so on first and then judging the viability of what ever is suggested. He is though very approachable and does listen to genuine concerns and well structured views. Like Wray, we are lucky to have him . If you write to him at the club then he will answer.[/p][/quote]I think that when the FA have put an embargo on the Club and your Chairman and Head Coach are having a dialogue in public, this is the time for leadership. surely there's a role for the CX in this? We don't to return to the dark days of going into administration, we do want a Club going forward and we do want a new stadium. Again, I would have thought the CX would be central to all that. I'm sure he is a great guy. Is he a great CX? I've genuinely no idea? mancrobin
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7:28pm Tue 9 Oct 12

London Red says...

Den - the reason why equity would be viewed differently to loans is it is pretty much perm
.
If interest free loans were still allowed we could loan the club X and then pull it straight after a player was signed
.
Equity however can't just be pulled - they would have to pay a dividend- never going to happen when equity is at negative 18m or something equally high
.
A share buyback - unlikely as we are not cash rich
.
Or sell - again unlikely as it would mean writing off their 12m+ investment to make the club anywhere near attractive at this point in time
.
Equity is basically a gift - I never expect to get anything back from my investment - it was just a show of support for the current board
.
I didn't think it counted but thought it was said it was in the summer - if I got that wrong fine - scratch that from the list of possibilities
.
Also why we are on the topic of allowable revenue - thought cup gate receipts were excluded as it rewards someone for a luck of a draw
.
Getting Man U away could be worth well over £500k compared to a home game against Stoke or whoever
.
At 65% that is another £325k in wages just from the luck!!!!!
Den - the reason why equity would be viewed differently to loans is it is pretty much perm . If interest free loans were still allowed we could loan the club X and then pull it straight after a player was signed . Equity however can't just be pulled - they would have to pay a dividend- never going to happen when equity is at negative 18m or something equally high . A share buyback - unlikely as we are not cash rich . Or sell - again unlikely as it would mean writing off their 12m+ investment to make the club anywhere near attractive at this point in time . Equity is basically a gift - I never expect to get anything back from my investment - it was just a show of support for the current board . I didn't think it counted but thought it was said it was in the summer - if I got that wrong fine - scratch that from the list of possibilities . Also why we are on the topic of allowable revenue - thought cup gate receipts were excluded as it rewards someone for a luck of a draw . Getting Man U away could be worth well over £500k compared to a home game against Stoke or whoever . At 65% that is another £325k in wages just from the luck!!!!! London Red
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7:28pm Tue 9 Oct 12

LydiardRED67 says...

A little note of caution here chaps> Whilst a healthy debate on fan base and future growth is no bad thing, I am sensing and "out of town" snobbery sneaking in.

Apologies if I have got the wrong end of the stick but we all support STFC, I have done for many years and have always lived in or local to Swindon, as do those who sit near me.

Prices are good for youngsters but only to a point. Due to where her birthday lies my youngest (10 years old) season ticket set me back £150.

Worth it though if it hooks another town die hard.
A little note of caution here chaps> Whilst a healthy debate on fan base and future growth is no bad thing, I am sensing and "out of town" snobbery sneaking in. Apologies if I have got the wrong end of the stick but we all support STFC, I have done for many years and have always lived in or local to Swindon, as do those who sit near me. Prices are good for youngsters but only to a point. Due to where her birthday lies my youngest (10 years old) season ticket set me back £150. Worth it though if it hooks another town die hard. LydiardRED67
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7:56pm Tue 9 Oct 12

SAPFanSTFC says...

the wizard wrote:
mancrobin wrote:
Oxon-Red wrote:
Malkym wrote:
TheDukeOfBanbury wrote:
the wizard wrote: After carrying out a sort of survey among family and friends in Swindon and surrounding area, there seems to be a lot of apathy towards the club because of the way it was run before the new board took over, especially among the older people asked. Its all down to the past. Everyone has said the club seems to be doing well, but are none committal because our present upwards journey is only seen as a temporary one. The question often asked is how long will it be before the club is on its uppers again, so the present situation does little to help that as people surmise the facts rather than check them out. Marketing aimed at the younger generations I see as they way forwards, schools, clubs, colleges even concessions to larger companies where perhaps a deal can be done as many have suggested before on say books of tickets at a good price, say five tickets over a choice of ten listed games. A promotion of half season tickets at Xmas, again at a promotional price for a limited period, in an effort to get S/T sales up from where it is.
Wiz you hit the right word - "apathy". To be honest I get a bit fed up with the "I will go when such and such is no longer Manager brigade" and the never ending excuses as to why people don't go. As a season Ticket holder I both enrolled by 2 boys as Junior Red members costing a bargain price of £30. Technically £30 for 2 season tickets for young children. Now if that is not a bargain and can't get kids into the CG then nothing will. Sorry but apathy is a term I have heard aimed at the people of Swindon, regarding supporting their football team. Sadly it is difficult to argue against. Of course the current economic climate cannot be over-looked and I can understand in these situations where people find it difficult to find the money. .....but our Board have done more than enough in my opinion to entice a new generation of fans to come down to the CG. Its down to "us" now.
Duke I think its a bit blase to say apathy and also I'm a bit fed up with I'll go when such and such etc... for my part and doubtless I'll get slated for saying it again but I want to be entertained first and foremost and value for my hard earned second- while PdC is boss wild horses won't keep me away - if Malpass returned free entry wouldn't drag me in there. This subject has been debated on here to death like a lot of others.Alternative leisure options and other interests such as Speedway to be topical, Racing, etc and many participating in sports like golf or local leagues when town have a game -far greater options than the bygone days Wizman refers to when it was footy or nowt. The economic factor has been mentioned and has to be taken into consideration - Duke mentions the absolute value of Junior Reds -no argument there but what about when the boys are strapping 16 year olds, still at school/college -not earning and the £30 rises to £90? Not quite so clear cut then is it? duke may well be in a position to stump up that sort of cash but not everybody can and again as Wizman says its all about priorities. I fully agree that the club could improve its marketing strategies - and "catch 'em young" is a good one amongst other suggestions - free entry for school parties to what are expected to be average attended games to generate more noise - its not as though we're packed out are we? Strange if its not rocket science to us why it is to JW & Co. even though he's said -good ideas but sat on them it seems. They could do much to expand this side of the club to complement the excellent hospitality & mascot packages etc.
Wiz,

The school parties scheme would be good and I have supported this in the past. Just one kid hooked out of the group is one more (two with dad/mum maybe) for the future.

Town (STFCITC) do a scheme for local kids football teams with training in the morning, lunch and a ticket to the game. My daughter would love to take her team of Under 10's but the £20 each cost is a barrier. I am not expecting them to provide it for free but believe they would get more takers if it was less expensive.

COYMR
This is a good thread and really gets to heart of the issue which is about the club's future viability and how to attract a much bigger fan base. On the latter, from a marketing point of view, I don't think it's helpful to blame those who don't come!

Which brings me to my main point. Isn't all of this the main responsibility of the Chief Executive, Nick Watkins? Why haven't we heard from him?
Nick Watkins is a great guy. When he has something constructive to say he will say it. I don't think he is the sort that rushes into things without doing research and so on first and then judging the viability of what ever is suggested. He is though very approachable and does listen to genuine concerns and well structured views. Like Wray, we are lucky to have him . If you write to him at the club then he will answer.
...Hmmmm.....not my experience of him - fine when things are going well but place an issue in front of him and.... well let's just say he doesn't respond in a service orientated fashion in my book.
---.
As for others talking of Caddis - If you'd read his full page article in the Football League paper in which he gave a candid interview with the paper then you can be sure he doesn't want to come back under PDC and I very much doubt that PDC would have him back....lets just say that it clarified the possibilities for the future in my book....quite a stinging review of PDC.
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mancrobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oxon-Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Malkym[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheDukeOfBanbury[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: After carrying out a sort of survey among family and friends in Swindon and surrounding area, there seems to be a lot of apathy towards the club because of the way it was run before the new board took over, especially among the older people asked. Its all down to the past. Everyone has said the club seems to be doing well, but are none committal because our present upwards journey is only seen as a temporary one. The question often asked is how long will it be before the club is on its uppers again, so the present situation does little to help that as people surmise the facts rather than check them out. Marketing aimed at the younger generations I see as they way forwards, schools, clubs, colleges even concessions to larger companies where perhaps a deal can be done as many have suggested before on say books of tickets at a good price, say five tickets over a choice of ten listed games. A promotion of half season tickets at Xmas, again at a promotional price for a limited period, in an effort to get S/T sales up from where it is.[/p][/quote]Wiz you hit the right word - "apathy". To be honest I get a bit fed up with the "I will go when such and such is no longer Manager brigade" and the never ending excuses as to why people don't go. As a season Ticket holder I both enrolled by 2 boys as Junior Red members costing a bargain price of £30. Technically £30 for 2 season tickets for young children. Now if that is not a bargain and can't get kids into the CG then nothing will. Sorry but apathy is a term I have heard aimed at the people of Swindon, regarding supporting their football team. Sadly it is difficult to argue against. Of course the current economic climate cannot be over-looked and I can understand in these situations where people find it difficult to find the money. .....but our Board have done more than enough in my opinion to entice a new generation of fans to come down to the CG. Its down to "us" now.[/p][/quote]Duke I think its a bit blase to say apathy and also I'm a bit fed up with I'll go when such and such etc... for my part and doubtless I'll get slated for saying it again but I want to be entertained first and foremost and value for my hard earned second- while PdC is boss wild horses won't keep me away - if Malpass returned free entry wouldn't drag me in there. This subject has been debated on here to death like a lot of others.Alternative leisure options and other interests such as Speedway to be topical, Racing, etc and many participating in sports like golf or local leagues when town have a game -far greater options than the bygone days Wizman refers to when it was footy or nowt. The economic factor has been mentioned and has to be taken into consideration - Duke mentions the absolute value of Junior Reds -no argument there but what about when the boys are strapping 16 year olds, still at school/college -not earning and the £30 rises to £90? Not quite so clear cut then is it? duke may well be in a position to stump up that sort of cash but not everybody can and again as Wizman says its all about priorities. I fully agree that the club could improve its marketing strategies - and "catch 'em young" is a good one amongst other suggestions - free entry for school parties to what are expected to be average attended games to generate more noise - its not as though we're packed out are we? Strange if its not rocket science to us why it is to JW & Co. even though he's said -good ideas but sat on them it seems. They could do much to expand this side of the club to complement the excellent hospitality & mascot packages etc.[/p][/quote]Wiz, The school parties scheme would be good and I have supported this in the past. Just one kid hooked out of the group is one more (two with dad/mum maybe) for the future. Town (STFCITC) do a scheme for local kids football teams with training in the morning, lunch and a ticket to the game. My daughter would love to take her team of Under 10's but the £20 each cost is a barrier. I am not expecting them to provide it for free but believe they would get more takers if it was less expensive. COYMR[/p][/quote]This is a good thread and really gets to heart of the issue which is about the club's future viability and how to attract a much bigger fan base. On the latter, from a marketing point of view, I don't think it's helpful to blame those who don't come! Which brings me to my main point. Isn't all of this the main responsibility of the Chief Executive, Nick Watkins? Why haven't we heard from him?[/p][/quote]Nick Watkins is a great guy. When he has something constructive to say he will say it. I don't think he is the sort that rushes into things without doing research and so on first and then judging the viability of what ever is suggested. He is though very approachable and does listen to genuine concerns and well structured views. Like Wray, we are lucky to have him . If you write to him at the club then he will answer.[/p][/quote]...Hmmmm.....not my experience of him - fine when things are going well but place an issue in front of him and.... well let's just say he doesn't respond in a service orientated fashion in my book. ---. As for others talking of Caddis - If you'd read his full page article in the Football League paper in which he gave a candid interview with the paper then you can be sure he doesn't want to come back under PDC and I very much doubt that PDC would have him back....lets just say that it clarified the possibilities for the future in my book....quite a stinging review of PDC. SAPFanSTFC
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7:57pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Oi Den! says...

London Red wrote:
Den - the reason why equity would be viewed differently to loans is it is pretty much perm
.
If interest free loans were still allowed we could loan the club X and then pull it straight after a player was signed
.
Equity however can't just be pulled - they would have to pay a dividend- never going to happen when equity is at negative 18m or something equally high
.
A share buyback - unlikely as we are not cash rich
.
Or sell - again unlikely as it would mean writing off their 12m+ investment to make the club anywhere near attractive at this point in time
.
Equity is basically a gift - I never expect to get anything back from my investment - it was just a show of support for the current board
.
I didn't think it counted but thought it was said it was in the summer - if I got that wrong fine - scratch that from the list of possibilities
.
Also why we are on the topic of allowable revenue - thought cup gate receipts were excluded as it rewards someone for a luck of a draw
.
Getting Man U away could be worth well over £500k compared to a home game against Stoke or whoever
.
At 65% that is another £325k in wages just from the luck!!!!!
I think you're right about it being said in the summer. It didn't make any sense to me then. I understand the distinction between loans and equity. I just don't see how either could be counted towards turnover. They may be different types of investment, but they still represent financial muscle, rather than funds generated by the business.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Den - the reason why equity would be viewed differently to loans is it is pretty much perm . If interest free loans were still allowed we could loan the club X and then pull it straight after a player was signed . Equity however can't just be pulled - they would have to pay a dividend- never going to happen when equity is at negative 18m or something equally high . A share buyback - unlikely as we are not cash rich . Or sell - again unlikely as it would mean writing off their 12m+ investment to make the club anywhere near attractive at this point in time . Equity is basically a gift - I never expect to get anything back from my investment - it was just a show of support for the current board . I didn't think it counted but thought it was said it was in the summer - if I got that wrong fine - scratch that from the list of possibilities . Also why we are on the topic of allowable revenue - thought cup gate receipts were excluded as it rewards someone for a luck of a draw . Getting Man U away could be worth well over £500k compared to a home game against Stoke or whoever . At 65% that is another £325k in wages just from the luck!!!!![/p][/quote]I think you're right about it being said in the summer. It didn't make any sense to me then. I understand the distinction between loans and equity. I just don't see how either could be counted towards turnover. They may be different types of investment, but they still represent financial muscle, rather than funds generated by the business. Oi Den!
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8:03pm Tue 9 Oct 12

bongiaz says...

KojaktheWarg wrote:
Yes. Lets see if he can manage. its obviously not clear yet as we only became champions by accident last year not by managing the team. And we are only 4th this year so its all gone wrong since he arrived hasnt it???????

In PDC we trust...
At last somebody with a sensible post!
[quote][p][bold]KojaktheWarg[/bold] wrote: Yes. Lets see if he can manage. its obviously not clear yet as we only became champions by accident last year not by managing the team. And we are only 4th this year so its all gone wrong since he arrived hasnt it??????? In PDC we trust...[/p][/quote]At last somebody with a sensible post! bongiaz
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8:06pm Tue 9 Oct 12

TheDukeOfBanbury says...

dreamofacleansheet2 wrote:
I am nearly losing the will to live today but thank you thank you The Duke Of Banbury for restoring my faith. Good on you sir, your kids and all who know you. Spot on.

As for some of the other stuff. Caddis jog on, why should Paolo eat humble pie? He wouldn't train as Poalo wants, no exceptions. Extraordinary. Tickets £25 with some promotions, excellent otherwise season tickets would be more. (and that's as someone who had to get the money together in the third phase to get one).

If Paolo goes to Bolton we'll have Owen Coyle, please slit my wrists... drip drip drip.... I like Owen Coyle a lot, I like his dignity and I like him as a manager. But our manager is better, he is not leaving and long may he stay here.

Whilst most don't like his outbursts if it's sole purpose is to keep clubs from higher divisions away then it's another reason I'll be happy. But tonight I'm not going to let the bar stewards get me down. Duke I shall be raising a glass to you, your family and your mates. Top draw.
Bless you mate. Never go down the better fan than you argument but I love these threads when fans share their history and passions following the Town.

When it comes to stories I have many in the locker and coming to the call of duty. To share one special one with you. In 2002/3 season I was lucky to win an award Nationwide Supporter of the year. As well as the title I was lucky enough to win a couple of grand for the prize. I gave half of it to STFC as they were the reason behind the win. Mrs not to happy as we were getting married but we were both invited as guests for the Northampton game. We are still together so I guess it was the right result :)
I guess this is why I love my Club :)
[quote][p][bold]dreamofacleansheet2[/bold] wrote: I am nearly losing the will to live today but thank you thank you The Duke Of Banbury for restoring my faith. Good on you sir, your kids and all who know you. Spot on. As for some of the other stuff. Caddis jog on, why should Paolo eat humble pie? He wouldn't train as Poalo wants, no exceptions. Extraordinary. Tickets £25 with some promotions, excellent otherwise season tickets would be more. (and that's as someone who had to get the money together in the third phase to get one). If Paolo goes to Bolton we'll have Owen Coyle, please slit my wrists... drip drip drip.... I like Owen Coyle a lot, I like his dignity and I like him as a manager. But our manager is better, he is not leaving and long may he stay here. Whilst most don't like his outbursts if it's sole purpose is to keep clubs from higher divisions away then it's another reason I'll be happy. But tonight I'm not going to let the bar stewards get me down. Duke I shall be raising a glass to you, your family and your mates. Top draw.[/p][/quote]Bless you mate. Never go down the better fan than you argument but I love these threads when fans share their history and passions following the Town. When it comes to stories I have many in the locker and coming to the call of duty. To share one special one with you. In 2002/3 season I was lucky to win an award Nationwide Supporter of the year. As well as the title I was lucky enough to win a couple of grand for the prize. I gave half of it to STFC as they were the reason behind the win. Mrs not to happy as we were getting married but we were both invited as guests for the Northampton game. We are still together so I guess it was the right result :) I guess this is why I love my Club :) TheDukeOfBanbury
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8:15pm Tue 9 Oct 12

bongiaz says...

Malkym wrote:
TheDukeOfBanbury wrote:
the wizard wrote: After carrying out a sort of survey among family and friends in Swindon and surrounding area, there seems to be a lot of apathy towards the club because of the way it was run before the new board took over, especially among the older people asked. Its all down to the past. Everyone has said the club seems to be doing well, but are none committal because our present upwards journey is only seen as a temporary one. The question often asked is how long will it be before the club is on its uppers again, so the present situation does little to help that as people surmise the facts rather than check them out. Marketing aimed at the younger generations I see as they way forwards, schools, clubs, colleges even concessions to larger companies where perhaps a deal can be done as many have suggested before on say books of tickets at a good price, say five tickets over a choice of ten listed games. A promotion of half season tickets at Xmas, again at a promotional price for a limited period, in an effort to get S/T sales up from where it is.
Wiz you hit the right word - "apathy". To be honest I get a bit fed up with the "I will go when such and such is no longer Manager brigade" and the never ending excuses as to why people don't go. As a season Ticket holder I both enrolled by 2 boys as Junior Red members costing a bargain price of £30. Technically £30 for 2 season tickets for young children. Now if that is not a bargain and can't get kids into the CG then nothing will. Sorry but apathy is a term I have heard aimed at the people of Swindon, regarding supporting their football team. Sadly it is difficult to argue against. Of course the current economic climate cannot be over-looked and I can understand in these situations where people find it difficult to find the money. .....but our Board have done more than enough in my opinion to entice a new generation of fans to come down to the CG. Its down to "us" now.
Duke I think its a bit blase to say apathy and also I'm a bit fed up with I'll go when such and such etc... for my part and doubtless I'll get slated for saying it again but I want to be entertained first and foremost and value for my hard earned second- while PdC is boss wild horses won't keep me away - if Malpass returned free entry wouldn't drag me in there.

This subject has been debated on here to death like a lot of others.Alternative leisure options and other interests such as Speedway to be topical, Racing, etc and many participating in sports like golf or local leagues when town have a game -far greater options than the bygone days Wizman refers to when it was footy or nowt.

The economic factor has been mentioned and has to be taken into consideration - Duke mentions the absolute value of Junior Reds -no argument there but what about when the boys are strapping 16 year olds, still at school/college -not earning and the £30 rises to £90? Not quite so clear cut then is it? duke may well be in a position to stump up that sort of cash but not everybody can and again as Wizman says its all about priorities.

I fully agree that the club could improve its marketing strategies - and "catch 'em young" is a good one amongst other suggestions - free entry for school parties to what are expected to be average attended games to generate more noise - its not as though we're packed out are we?

Strange if its not rocket science to us why it is to JW & Co. even though he's said -good ideas but sat on them it seems. They could do much to expand this side of the club to complement the excellent hospitality & mascot packages etc.
Well said!
[quote][p][bold]Malkym[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheDukeOfBanbury[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: After carrying out a sort of survey among family and friends in Swindon and surrounding area, there seems to be a lot of apathy towards the club because of the way it was run before the new board took over, especially among the older people asked. Its all down to the past. Everyone has said the club seems to be doing well, but are none committal because our present upwards journey is only seen as a temporary one. The question often asked is how long will it be before the club is on its uppers again, so the present situation does little to help that as people surmise the facts rather than check them out. Marketing aimed at the younger generations I see as they way forwards, schools, clubs, colleges even concessions to larger companies where perhaps a deal can be done as many have suggested before on say books of tickets at a good price, say five tickets over a choice of ten listed games. A promotion of half season tickets at Xmas, again at a promotional price for a limited period, in an effort to get S/T sales up from where it is.[/p][/quote]Wiz you hit the right word - "apathy". To be honest I get a bit fed up with the "I will go when such and such is no longer Manager brigade" and the never ending excuses as to why people don't go. As a season Ticket holder I both enrolled by 2 boys as Junior Red members costing a bargain price of £30. Technically £30 for 2 season tickets for young children. Now if that is not a bargain and can't get kids into the CG then nothing will. Sorry but apathy is a term I have heard aimed at the people of Swindon, regarding supporting their football team. Sadly it is difficult to argue against. Of course the current economic climate cannot be over-looked and I can understand in these situations where people find it difficult to find the money. .....but our Board have done more than enough in my opinion to entice a new generation of fans to come down to the CG. Its down to "us" now.[/p][/quote]Duke I think its a bit blase to say apathy and also I'm a bit fed up with I'll go when such and such etc... for my part and doubtless I'll get slated for saying it again but I want to be entertained first and foremost and value for my hard earned second- while PdC is boss wild horses won't keep me away - if Malpass returned free entry wouldn't drag me in there. This subject has been debated on here to death like a lot of others.Alternative leisure options and other interests such as Speedway to be topical, Racing, etc and many participating in sports like golf or local leagues when town have a game -far greater options than the bygone days Wizman refers to when it was footy or nowt. The economic factor has been mentioned and has to be taken into consideration - Duke mentions the absolute value of Junior Reds -no argument there but what about when the boys are strapping 16 year olds, still at school/college -not earning and the £30 rises to £90? Not quite so clear cut then is it? duke may well be in a position to stump up that sort of cash but not everybody can and again as Wizman says its all about priorities. I fully agree that the club could improve its marketing strategies - and "catch 'em young" is a good one amongst other suggestions - free entry for school parties to what are expected to be average attended games to generate more noise - its not as though we're packed out are we? Strange if its not rocket science to us why it is to JW & Co. even though he's said -good ideas but sat on them it seems. They could do much to expand this side of the club to complement the excellent hospitality & mascot packages etc.[/p][/quote]Well said! bongiaz
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8:18pm Tue 9 Oct 12

bongiaz says...

MidlandRobin wrote:
Angolan Red wrote:
Decanio has to wake up and smell the coffee, we have enough players its just Decanios childish behaviour in openly critising players ones that hes signed does nothing for confidence. Stop moaning cut your cloth to the budget we have. Come January bring back Caddis who makes Ritchie a better player and if Decanio doesnt like it show Decanio the door before he walks away leaving the club in debt undoing all Fittons good work
Spot on lad.
Really? Would help if DiCanio's name was spelt correctly?
[quote][p][bold]MidlandRobin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Angolan Red[/bold] wrote: Decanio has to wake up and smell the coffee, we have enough players its just Decanios childish behaviour in openly critising players ones that hes signed does nothing for confidence. Stop moaning cut your cloth to the budget we have. Come January bring back Caddis who makes Ritchie a better player and if Decanio doesnt like it show Decanio the door before he walks away leaving the club in debt undoing all Fittons good work[/p][/quote]Spot on lad.[/p][/quote]Really? Would help if DiCanio's name was spelt correctly? bongiaz
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8:19pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Redhouse Red says...

RamsburyRed wrote:
It is and always has been worked out on turnover, it's got nothing to do with loans, equity etc.
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Not sure why people find it so hard to get to grips with turnover; for STFC it is season ticket sales, gate receipts, tv money, prize money, commercial and advertising revenue, player sales, sponsorship. Turnover is a business's income basically.
*
Whilst most businesses cannot magically increase turnover, all can cut their costs, in this case it would need to be the playing staff - however, this is counterproductive for obvious reasons and PDC is already saying we could be short owing to injuries.
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The silver bullet is often 'sponsorship'. Where the owners of a club also own a profitable business (say, an airline, if you get my drift), there is nothing to stop the business offering generous sponsorship to the club. Sponsorship counting as turnover, problem solved.
Had to get this far down the page to finally see a comment that tackled the crux of the problem

Other ideas include:

Promotion to increase revenue I.e over the next 4 weeks by a ticket and get a shirt 1/2 price

Increase ticket sales etc

But my personal favourite. J wray buys 100,000 bovrils at half time on Saturday and then the blacks the same volume at the villa game.

Should just about increase the clubs income ;-)
[quote][p][bold]RamsburyRed[/bold] wrote: It is and always has been worked out on turnover, it's got nothing to do with loans, equity etc. * Not sure why people find it so hard to get to grips with turnover; for STFC it is season ticket sales, gate receipts, tv money, prize money, commercial and advertising revenue, player sales, sponsorship. Turnover is a business's income basically. * Whilst most businesses cannot magically increase turnover, all can cut their costs, in this case it would need to be the playing staff - however, this is counterproductive for obvious reasons and PDC is already saying we could be short owing to injuries. * The silver bullet is often 'sponsorship'. Where the owners of a club also own a profitable business (say, an airline, if you get my drift), there is nothing to stop the business offering generous sponsorship to the club. Sponsorship counting as turnover, problem solved.[/p][/quote]Had to get this far down the page to finally see a comment that tackled the crux of the problem Other ideas include: Promotion to increase revenue I.e over the next 4 weeks by a ticket and get a shirt 1/2 price Increase ticket sales etc But my personal favourite. J wray buys 100,000 bovrils at half time on Saturday and then the blacks the same volume at the villa game. Should just about increase the clubs income ;-) Redhouse Red
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8:52pm Tue 9 Oct 12

London Red says...

Granted it does help those with wealthy backers - but it does prevent Pompey scenarios as such as money can't be taken back out easily
.
I can see the arguements for and against and think the limits set in financial FairPlay rules seems a good compromise
.
Anyway despite the confusion in the summer it appears it is not valid investment so irrelevant debate really
.
In fact this whole topic has been as Wray confirmed in his interview it is not an issue at present for PdC - the point was if we were to remain under one and injuries hit again (and harder or to key players - ala Wes) we could be screwed
.
PdC said he would take a pay cut to get more budget - that could be a solution that could work!!!
Granted it does help those with wealthy backers - but it does prevent Pompey scenarios as such as money can't be taken back out easily . I can see the arguements for and against and think the limits set in financial FairPlay rules seems a good compromise . Anyway despite the confusion in the summer it appears it is not valid investment so irrelevant debate really . In fact this whole topic has been as Wray confirmed in his interview it is not an issue at present for PdC - the point was if we were to remain under one and injuries hit again (and harder or to key players - ala Wes) we could be screwed . PdC said he would take a pay cut to get more budget - that could be a solution that could work!!! London Red
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8:59pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Oi Den! says...

I've only just realised what a bad start Bolton have had. Just a few places up the ladder and a lot more pressure to turn it around? Can't see it being an attraction to PDC.
I've only just realised what a bad start Bolton have had. Just a few places up the ladder and a lot more pressure to turn it around? Can't see it being an attraction to PDC. Oi Den!
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9:00pm Tue 9 Oct 12

HardwickeRed says...

All you read about on the official site and forums etc is how to buy tickets, when to buy tickets, ticket promotions, etc etc. YOU DON`T ACTUALLY NEED TICKETS for 99% of games. You can walk up and pay on the day and a lot of people dont realise that. Casual fans dont want the hassle of buying in advance.
All you read about on the official site and forums etc is how to buy tickets, when to buy tickets, ticket promotions, etc etc. YOU DON`T ACTUALLY NEED TICKETS for 99% of games. You can walk up and pay on the day and a lot of people dont realise that. Casual fans dont want the hassle of buying in advance. HardwickeRed
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9:21pm Tue 9 Oct 12

joey butler says...

Oi Den! wrote:
I've only just realised what a bad start Bolton have had. Just a few places up the ladder and a lot more pressure to turn it around? Can't see it being an attraction to PDC.
To be fair to me Den, I didn't suggest in my post that Bolton would appeal to PDC and also agreed with you in my post that West Ham almost certainly would! Simply, that it was good for PDC to see his name mentioned by SKY Sports.

But Bolton have been a much bigger club than us for some years now and even after relegation from the Premier League and a very poor start in the Championship, are still averaging about 18000 attendances this season.

If we go up this season we would be very happy with that sort of support, more than double what we have at present and not withstanding the fact that we could not fit that many people in the County Ground. What a nice problem that would be to have! .
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: I've only just realised what a bad start Bolton have had. Just a few places up the ladder and a lot more pressure to turn it around? Can't see it being an attraction to PDC.[/p][/quote]To be fair to me Den, I didn't suggest in my post that Bolton would appeal to PDC and also agreed with you in my post that West Ham almost certainly would! Simply, that it was good for PDC to see his name mentioned by SKY Sports. But Bolton have been a much bigger club than us for some years now and even after relegation from the Premier League and a very poor start in the Championship, are still averaging about 18000 attendances this season. If we go up this season we would be very happy with that sort of support, more than double what we have at present and not withstanding the fact that we could not fit that many people in the County Ground. What a nice problem that would be to have! . joey butler
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9:26pm Tue 9 Oct 12

dreamofacleansheet2 says...

The Duke keep them coming. Extraordinary stuff giving money from your win to the club. Top work on still being married to.

You had already brightened my day but think its time for another sherbert or two.

SAPF delighted Caddis doesn't want to come back. Can't get enough of the clubs new found professionalism.

We haven't even hit second gear yet and we're fourth. We're winning the league you all know it deep down....

zippy do dah......
The Duke keep them coming. Extraordinary stuff giving money from your win to the club. Top work on still being married to. You had already brightened my day but think its time for another sherbert or two. SAPF delighted Caddis doesn't want to come back. Can't get enough of the clubs new found professionalism. We haven't even hit second gear yet and we're fourth. We're winning the league you all know it deep down.... zippy do dah...... dreamofacleansheet2
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9:28pm Tue 9 Oct 12

swindon1969 says...

FFS,i cant bielieve what im reading, scandal, revenues, who has to go out on loan, who has injuries, who we can ship out,daft our squad is good, sir has to deal with what we got, this team is more than capable of keeping us in

this league, lets focus on staying in this league and then go forward. promotion would be great,lets not get abouve our station.
FFS,i cant bielieve what im reading, scandal, revenues, who has to go out on loan, who has injuries, who we can ship out,daft our squad is good, sir has to deal with what we got, this team is more than capable of keeping us in this league, lets focus on staying in this league and then go forward. promotion would be great,lets not get abouve our station. swindon1969
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9:33pm Tue 9 Oct 12

RamsburyRed says...

London Red wrote:
Granted it does help those with wealthy backers - but it does prevent Pompey scenarios as such as money can't be taken back out easily
.
I can see the arguements for and against and think the limits set in financial FairPlay rules seems a good compromise
.
Anyway despite the confusion in the summer it appears it is not valid investment so irrelevant debate really
.
In fact this whole topic has been as Wray confirmed in his interview it is not an issue at present for PdC - the point was if we were to remain under one and injuries hit again (and harder or to key players - ala Wes) we could be screwed
.
PdC said he would take a pay cut to get more budget - that could be a solution that could work!!!
Not sure it would, the L1/L2 rules refer to players' wages, I think you can pay the manager what you want.
*
I too am not sure this is really a problem at the moment, I suspect PDC is just saying he doesn't want his hands tied for long.
*
As many have pointed out, there are several events that could help, including a Charlie Austin windfall, but that would have to wait until January.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Granted it does help those with wealthy backers - but it does prevent Pompey scenarios as such as money can't be taken back out easily . I can see the arguements for and against and think the limits set in financial FairPlay rules seems a good compromise . Anyway despite the confusion in the summer it appears it is not valid investment so irrelevant debate really . In fact this whole topic has been as Wray confirmed in his interview it is not an issue at present for PdC - the point was if we were to remain under one and injuries hit again (and harder or to key players - ala Wes) we could be screwed . PdC said he would take a pay cut to get more budget - that could be a solution that could work!!![/p][/quote]Not sure it would, the L1/L2 rules refer to players' wages, I think you can pay the manager what you want. * I too am not sure this is really a problem at the moment, I suspect PDC is just saying he doesn't want his hands tied for long. * As many have pointed out, there are several events that could help, including a Charlie Austin windfall, but that would have to wait until January. RamsburyRed
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9:35pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Oi Den! says...

Yes JB, I knew I should have explained myself better. I was mostly just adding to your comment rather than disagreeing with you. Apologies for a pi55 poor post! On the subject of relative size of the clubs, I do think we are bigger than our status suggests. We've just lost our way. If we had managed to capitalise on our previous successes, I think we would now be viewed in the same bracket as say Bolton, Blackburn and Ipswich.
Yes JB, I knew I should have explained myself better. I was mostly just adding to your comment rather than disagreeing with you. Apologies for a pi55 poor post! On the subject of relative size of the clubs, I do think we are bigger than our status suggests. We've just lost our way. If we had managed to capitalise on our previous successes, I think we would now be viewed in the same bracket as say Bolton, Blackburn and Ipswich. Oi Den!
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9:39pm Tue 9 Oct 12

RamsburyRed says...

Incidentally, the equity argument is very dodgy, I'm not surprised the rules do not want to take it into account. Valuation is the problem, there is no reliable way of valuing shares in a private company or any where shares are not regularly traded on the market.
Incidentally, the equity argument is very dodgy, I'm not surprised the rules do not want to take it into account. Valuation is the problem, there is no reliable way of valuing shares in a private company or any where shares are not regularly traded on the market. RamsburyRed
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9:40pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Wilesy says...

dreamofacleansheet2 wrote:
I am nearly losing the will to live today but thank you thank you The Duke Of Banbury for restoring my faith. Good on you sir, your kids and all who know you. Spot on.

As for some of the other stuff. Caddis jog on, why should Paolo eat humble pie? He wouldn't train as Poalo wants, no exceptions. Extraordinary. Tickets £25 with some promotions, excellent otherwise season tickets would be more. (and that's as someone who had to get the money together in the third phase to get one).

If Paolo goes to Bolton we'll have Owen Coyle, please slit my wrists... drip drip drip.... I like Owen Coyle a lot, I like his dignity and I like him as a manager. But our manager is better, he is not leaving and long may he stay here.

Whilst most don't like his outbursts if it's sole purpose is to keep clubs from higher divisions away then it's another reason I'll be happy. But tonight I'm not going to let the bar stewards get me down. Duke I shall be raising a glass to you, your family and your mates. Top draw.
Crikey dreams, I think this qualifies as most over the top reaction of the day. Sorry to hear you're suicidal following views that some would like Caddis back, I quite respect Owen Coyle, and the fact that £25 tickets aren't attracting the casuals.

Goodness gracious calm down...
[quote][p][bold]dreamofacleansheet2[/bold] wrote: I am nearly losing the will to live today but thank you thank you The Duke Of Banbury for restoring my faith. Good on you sir, your kids and all who know you. Spot on. As for some of the other stuff. Caddis jog on, why should Paolo eat humble pie? He wouldn't train as Poalo wants, no exceptions. Extraordinary. Tickets £25 with some promotions, excellent otherwise season tickets would be more. (and that's as someone who had to get the money together in the third phase to get one). If Paolo goes to Bolton we'll have Owen Coyle, please slit my wrists... drip drip drip.... I like Owen Coyle a lot, I like his dignity and I like him as a manager. But our manager is better, he is not leaving and long may he stay here. Whilst most don't like his outbursts if it's sole purpose is to keep clubs from higher divisions away then it's another reason I'll be happy. But tonight I'm not going to let the bar stewards get me down. Duke I shall be raising a glass to you, your family and your mates. Top draw.[/p][/quote]Crikey dreams, I think this qualifies as most over the top reaction of the day. Sorry to hear you're suicidal following views that some would like Caddis back, I quite respect Owen Coyle, and the fact that £25 tickets aren't attracting the casuals. Goodness gracious calm down... Wilesy
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9:44pm Tue 9 Oct 12

RamsburyRed says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Yes JB, I knew I should have explained myself better. I was mostly just adding to your comment rather than disagreeing with you. Apologies for a pi55 poor post! On the subject of relative size of the clubs, I do think we are bigger than our status suggests. We've just lost our way. If we had managed to capitalise on our previous successes, I think we would now be viewed in the same bracket as say Bolton, Blackburn and Ipswich.
Den, you are usually the voice of reason on here, but I think you've got a bit above yourself.
*
The clubs you mention have a 'bigger' history than ours, have each spent far longer in the top flight, and have far larger attendances than we do. We might have the potential to be 'bigger' than any of them when they are down on their luck and we are up on ours, but put us and those three in the Prem and see the difference in gates!
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Yes JB, I knew I should have explained myself better. I was mostly just adding to your comment rather than disagreeing with you. Apologies for a pi55 poor post! On the subject of relative size of the clubs, I do think we are bigger than our status suggests. We've just lost our way. If we had managed to capitalise on our previous successes, I think we would now be viewed in the same bracket as say Bolton, Blackburn and Ipswich.[/p][/quote]Den, you are usually the voice of reason on here, but I think you've got a bit above yourself. * The clubs you mention have a 'bigger' history than ours, have each spent far longer in the top flight, and have far larger attendances than we do. We might have the potential to be 'bigger' than any of them when they are down on their luck and we are up on ours, but put us and those three in the Prem and see the difference in gates! RamsburyRed
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10:15pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Oi Den! says...

RR, they do have a richer heritage than us. However, what I was trying to say (not very well) was that Ipswich built on their success in the 60s, whereas we just fell apart after great spells at the beginning and end of the same decade. Also Blackburn were no bigger than us when we beat them in the 2nd div play-offs in the 90s; it was only Jack Walker's money that established them at the top, and I don't see why we can't be their equal again. And we have spent some time competing on equal terms with Bolton.
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I'm certainly not saying we'll ever be bigger than those clubs, just that we should not really be far behind them. My original comment was that Bolton are not that much bigger than us and I do stand by that. I suppose what I am really saying is "If only...., then..."
But I have to hold my hand up and agree that I've not done too well here. So, having dug a deep enough hole already, I'll now cease excavating!
RR, they do have a richer heritage than us. However, what I was trying to say (not very well) was that Ipswich built on their success in the 60s, whereas we just fell apart after great spells at the beginning and end of the same decade. Also Blackburn were no bigger than us when we beat them in the 2nd div play-offs in the 90s; it was only Jack Walker's money that established them at the top, and I don't see why we can't be their equal again. And we have spent some time competing on equal terms with Bolton. . I'm certainly not saying we'll ever be bigger than those clubs, just that we should not really be far behind them. My original comment was that Bolton are not that much bigger than us and I do stand by that. I suppose what I am really saying is "If only...., then..." But I have to hold my hand up and agree that I've not done too well here. So, having dug a deep enough hole already, I'll now cease excavating! Oi Den!
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10:20pm Tue 9 Oct 12

RamsburyRed says...

Ipswich certainly a good example of what a club of modest means can achieve - assisted by the canny Bobby Robson of course.
Ipswich certainly a good example of what a club of modest means can achieve - assisted by the canny Bobby Robson of course. RamsburyRed
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10:22pm Tue 9 Oct 12

RamsburyRed says...

And you might argue that Wigan are doing that now too.
And you might argue that Wigan are doing that now too. RamsburyRed
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10:36pm Tue 9 Oct 12

DarrenSTFCRomain says...

killerontheloose wrote:
The bottom line is that the attendances remain pathetic for a town the size of Swindon and surrounding area -particularly given the commitment and drive of the manager and investment from the Board. These days won't last forever and PDC will be on to bigger and better things so the residents of Wilts should fill the ground!
And the bottom line is people with familys just cant aford days at football...
TIMES ARE HARD but times are not hard at STFC...
We are in this embarge bacause we have spent to much and most of that comes down to STFC bringing in players on 2 year contracts then paying them off..
We new we had to pay for Williams and troy but now were saying that we thought that we could pay for them laster ???
[quote][p][bold]killerontheloose[/bold] wrote: The bottom line is that the attendances remain pathetic for a town the size of Swindon and surrounding area -particularly given the commitment and drive of the manager and investment from the Board. These days won't last forever and PDC will be on to bigger and better things so the residents of Wilts should fill the ground![/p][/quote]And the bottom line is people with familys just cant aford days at football... TIMES ARE HARD but times are not hard at STFC... We are in this embarge bacause we have spent to much and most of that comes down to STFC bringing in players on 2 year contracts then paying them off.. We new we had to pay for Williams and troy but now were saying that we thought that we could pay for them laster ??? DarrenSTFCRomain
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10:42pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Oi Den! says...

Yes and yes RR.
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Ipswich... the canny Alf Ramsey came before the canny Bobby Robson of course!
Yes and yes RR. . Ipswich... the canny Alf Ramsey came before the canny Bobby Robson of course! Oi Den!
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11:35pm Tue 9 Oct 12

red white says...

Remember people, that.......

We'll go up as effin champions!
Remember people, that....... We'll go up as effin champions! red white
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7:52am Wed 10 Oct 12

London Red says...

Ramsbury one point on valuation isn't that irrelevant?
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All shares have a face value an new shares can only be sold at that value
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So each share the club sells will raise 1p - others it may be £1
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That way as long as they have enough subscribed share capital raising they can inject whatever £££ they want buy buying that number of shares
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Anyway as you said not allowed so doesn't help us this year - maybe next in the Championship though
Ramsbury one point on valuation isn't that irrelevant? . All shares have a face value an new shares can only be sold at that value . So each share the club sells will raise 1p - others it may be £1 . That way as long as they have enough subscribed share capital raising they can inject whatever £££ they want buy buying that number of shares . Anyway as you said not allowed so doesn't help us this year - maybe next in the Championship though London Red
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8:42am Wed 10 Oct 12

Malkym says...

DarrenSTFCRomain wrote:
killerontheloose wrote: The bottom line is that the attendances remain pathetic for a town the size of Swindon and surrounding area -particularly given the commitment and drive of the manager and investment from the Board. These days won't last forever and PDC will be on to bigger and better things so the residents of Wilts should fill the ground!
And the bottom line is people with familys just cant aford days at football... TIMES ARE HARD but times are not hard at STFC... We are in this embarge bacause we have spent to much and most of that comes down to STFC bringing in players on 2 year contracts then paying them off.. We new we had to pay for Williams and troy but now were saying that we thought that we could pay for them laster ???
Dazzler you are right - as I said, many folks with families can't afford to be regular attendees, much as they would like and yes it's great when they're junior reds but once that ends the matchday costs keep spiralling -they'll want more burgers for a start lol!
[quote][p][bold]DarrenSTFCRomain[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]killerontheloose[/bold] wrote: The bottom line is that the attendances remain pathetic for a town the size of Swindon and surrounding area -particularly given the commitment and drive of the manager and investment from the Board. These days won't last forever and PDC will be on to bigger and better things so the residents of Wilts should fill the ground![/p][/quote]And the bottom line is people with familys just cant aford days at football... TIMES ARE HARD but times are not hard at STFC... We are in this embarge bacause we have spent to much and most of that comes down to STFC bringing in players on 2 year contracts then paying them off.. We new we had to pay for Williams and troy but now were saying that we thought that we could pay for them laster ???[/p][/quote]Dazzler you are right - as I said, many folks with families can't afford to be regular attendees, much as they would like and yes it's great when they're junior reds but once that ends the matchday costs keep spiralling -they'll want more burgers for a start lol! Malkym
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10:10am Wed 10 Oct 12

MITTED says...

Malkym wrote:
DarrenSTFCRomain wrote:
killerontheloose wrote: The bottom line is that the attendances remain pathetic for a town the size of Swindon and surrounding area -particularly given the commitment and drive of the manager and investment from the Board. These days won't last forever and PDC will be on to bigger and better things so the residents of Wilts should fill the ground!
And the bottom line is people with familys just cant aford days at football... TIMES ARE HARD but times are not hard at STFC... We are in this embarge bacause we have spent to much and most of that comes down to STFC bringing in players on 2 year contracts then paying them off.. We new we had to pay for Williams and troy but now were saying that we thought that we could pay for them laster ???
Dazzler you are right - as I said, many folks with families can't afford to be regular attendees, much as they would like and yes it's great when they're junior reds but once that ends the matchday costs keep spiralling -they'll want more burgers for a start lol!
You miss the point about JRs as they get older. It is about hooking them as Town supporters for life and you do that by taking them regularly - for most the JR package is a bargain. Yes, there will always be those who will plead poverty and for many it will be true. But it comes back to hooking those kids for life, just like I was. And I had to go out and earn my money to get to games. It wasn't easy but I did it because Town was ingrained by then. The lowest common denominator cannot be pleas of poverty because no one would ever go.
[quote][p][bold]Malkym[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DarrenSTFCRomain[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]killerontheloose[/bold] wrote: The bottom line is that the attendances remain pathetic for a town the size of Swindon and surrounding area -particularly given the commitment and drive of the manager and investment from the Board. These days won't last forever and PDC will be on to bigger and better things so the residents of Wilts should fill the ground![/p][/quote]And the bottom line is people with familys just cant aford days at football... TIMES ARE HARD but times are not hard at STFC... We are in this embarge bacause we have spent to much and most of that comes down to STFC bringing in players on 2 year contracts then paying them off.. We new we had to pay for Williams and troy but now were saying that we thought that we could pay for them laster ???[/p][/quote]Dazzler you are right - as I said, many folks with families can't afford to be regular attendees, much as they would like and yes it's great when they're junior reds but once that ends the matchday costs keep spiralling -they'll want more burgers for a start lol![/p][/quote]You miss the point about JRs as they get older. It is about hooking them as Town supporters for life and you do that by taking them regularly - for most the JR package is a bargain. Yes, there will always be those who will plead poverty and for many it will be true. But it comes back to hooking those kids for life, just like I was. And I had to go out and earn my money to get to games. It wasn't easy but I did it because Town was ingrained by then. The lowest common denominator cannot be pleas of poverty because no one would ever go. MITTED
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11:06am Wed 10 Oct 12

Steve. Brentford says...

TheDukeOfBanbury wrote:
dreamofacleansheet2 wrote:
I am nearly losing the will to live today but thank you thank you The Duke Of Banbury for restoring my faith. Good on you sir, your kids and all who know you. Spot on.

As for some of the other stuff. Caddis jog on, why should Paolo eat humble pie? He wouldn't train as Poalo wants, no exceptions. Extraordinary. Tickets £25 with some promotions, excellent otherwise season tickets would be more. (and that's as someone who had to get the money together in the third phase to get one).

If Paolo goes to Bolton we'll have Owen Coyle, please slit my wrists... drip drip drip.... I like Owen Coyle a lot, I like his dignity and I like him as a manager. But our manager is better, he is not leaving and long may he stay here.

Whilst most don't like his outbursts if it's sole purpose is to keep clubs from higher divisions away then it's another reason I'll be happy. But tonight I'm not going to let the bar stewards get me down. Duke I shall be raising a glass to you, your family and your mates. Top draw.
Bless you mate. Never go down the better fan than you argument but I love these threads when fans share their history and passions following the Town.

When it comes to stories I have many in the locker and coming to the call of duty. To share one special one with you. In 2002/3 season I was lucky to win an award Nationwide Supporter of the year. As well as the title I was lucky enough to win a couple of grand for the prize. I gave half of it to STFC as they were the reason behind the win. Mrs not to happy as we were getting married but we were both invited as guests for the Northampton game. We are still together so I guess it was the right result :)
I guess this is why I love my Club :)
And thats why i love you Dukey baby. Fair play to you mate,may your rod bend to maximum test curve.
[quote][p][bold]TheDukeOfBanbury[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dreamofacleansheet2[/bold] wrote: I am nearly losing the will to live today but thank you thank you The Duke Of Banbury for restoring my faith. Good on you sir, your kids and all who know you. Spot on. As for some of the other stuff. Caddis jog on, why should Paolo eat humble pie? He wouldn't train as Poalo wants, no exceptions. Extraordinary. Tickets £25 with some promotions, excellent otherwise season tickets would be more. (and that's as someone who had to get the money together in the third phase to get one). If Paolo goes to Bolton we'll have Owen Coyle, please slit my wrists... drip drip drip.... I like Owen Coyle a lot, I like his dignity and I like him as a manager. But our manager is better, he is not leaving and long may he stay here. Whilst most don't like his outbursts if it's sole purpose is to keep clubs from higher divisions away then it's another reason I'll be happy. But tonight I'm not going to let the bar stewards get me down. Duke I shall be raising a glass to you, your family and your mates. Top draw.[/p][/quote]Bless you mate. Never go down the better fan than you argument but I love these threads when fans share their history and passions following the Town. When it comes to stories I have many in the locker and coming to the call of duty. To share one special one with you. In 2002/3 season I was lucky to win an award Nationwide Supporter of the year. As well as the title I was lucky enough to win a couple of grand for the prize. I gave half of it to STFC as they were the reason behind the win. Mrs not to happy as we were getting married but we were both invited as guests for the Northampton game. We are still together so I guess it was the right result :) I guess this is why I love my Club :)[/p][/quote]And thats why i love you Dukey baby. Fair play to you mate,may your rod bend to maximum test curve. Steve. Brentford
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2:59pm Wed 10 Oct 12

avo says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Good post MITTED. I think I'd even go as far as to say that football snobbery prevails in a lot of families - even well established local ones - who think they need to be seen to "support" a big club, while looking down their noses at STFC. Also there's peer pressure amongst kids. Our grandson feels more comfortable in a Liverpool shirt than a Town shirt because nearly all his mates are "supporters" of one of the big clubs. This is the stuff we have to try to reverse. . One last point. The last 20 or 30 years has seen the emergence of the non-supporting "supporter" - the person who thinks that talking about a club and faithfully watching it on Sky is supporting it. They seem to be blissfully unaware that supporting your football club means being there with your voice, your financial contribution and your soul. And - before I get accused of picking on people who would love to be there but can't - I should just add that I'm not talking about them.
Yet-at my sons school, it is a constant pleasure to see so many of the young boys running around in there swindon kits!
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It seems that in some areas this is the case, but not all, yet......
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Good post MITTED. I think I'd even go as far as to say that football snobbery prevails in a lot of families - even well established local ones - who think they need to be seen to "support" a big club, while looking down their noses at STFC. Also there's peer pressure amongst kids. Our grandson feels more comfortable in a Liverpool shirt than a Town shirt because nearly all his mates are "supporters" of one of the big clubs. This is the stuff we have to try to reverse. . One last point. The last 20 or 30 years has seen the emergence of the non-supporting "supporter" - the person who thinks that talking about a club and faithfully watching it on Sky is supporting it. They seem to be blissfully unaware that supporting your football club means being there with your voice, your financial contribution and your soul. And - before I get accused of picking on people who would love to be there but can't - I should just add that I'm not talking about them.[/p][/quote]Yet-at my sons school, it is a constant pleasure to see so many of the young boys running around in there swindon kits! . It seems that in some areas this is the case, but not all, yet...... avo
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6:42pm Wed 10 Oct 12

DarrenSTFCRomain says...

MITTED wrote:
Malkym wrote:
DarrenSTFCRomain wrote:
killerontheloose wrote: The bottom line is that the attendances remain pathetic for a town the size of Swindon and surrounding area -particularly given the commitment and drive of the manager and investment from the Board. These days won't last forever and PDC will be on to bigger and better things so the residents of Wilts should fill the ground!
And the bottom line is people with familys just cant aford days at football... TIMES ARE HARD but times are not hard at STFC... We are in this embarge bacause we have spent to much and most of that comes down to STFC bringing in players on 2 year contracts then paying them off.. We new we had to pay for Williams and troy but now were saying that we thought that we could pay for them laster ???
Dazzler you are right - as I said, many folks with families can't afford to be regular attendees, much as they would like and yes it's great when they're junior reds but once that ends the matchday costs keep spiralling -they'll want more burgers for a start lol!
You miss the point about JRs as they get older. It is about hooking them as Town supporters for life and you do that by taking them regularly - for most the JR package is a bargain. Yes, there will always be those who will plead poverty and for many it will be true. But it comes back to hooking those kids for life, just like I was. And I had to go out and earn my money to get to games. It wasn't easy but I did it because Town was ingrained by then. The lowest common denominator cannot be pleas of poverty because no one would ever go.
I have 3 daughter that i have taken with me for at least the last10 years and they are pure SWINDON TOWN FANS..
We all go in the townend to sing shout and support our team as we all love it

I have never been a season ticket holder but do go to most home games apart from easter week and the last week in september as im on the lash with me mates

I was thinking of becoming one this season but to my suprise it would of saved me a masive £4 so what the point in that..
[quote][p][bold]MITTED[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Malkym[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DarrenSTFCRomain[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]killerontheloose[/bold] wrote: The bottom line is that the attendances remain pathetic for a town the size of Swindon and surrounding area -particularly given the commitment and drive of the manager and investment from the Board. These days won't last forever and PDC will be on to bigger and better things so the residents of Wilts should fill the ground![/p][/quote]And the bottom line is people with familys just cant aford days at football... TIMES ARE HARD but times are not hard at STFC... We are in this embarge bacause we have spent to much and most of that comes down to STFC bringing in players on 2 year contracts then paying them off.. We new we had to pay for Williams and troy but now were saying that we thought that we could pay for them laster ???[/p][/quote]Dazzler you are right - as I said, many folks with families can't afford to be regular attendees, much as they would like and yes it's great when they're junior reds but once that ends the matchday costs keep spiralling -they'll want more burgers for a start lol![/p][/quote]You miss the point about JRs as they get older. It is about hooking them as Town supporters for life and you do that by taking them regularly - for most the JR package is a bargain. Yes, there will always be those who will plead poverty and for many it will be true. But it comes back to hooking those kids for life, just like I was. And I had to go out and earn my money to get to games. It wasn't easy but I did it because Town was ingrained by then. The lowest common denominator cannot be pleas of poverty because no one would ever go.[/p][/quote]I have 3 daughter that i have taken with me for at least the last10 years and they are pure SWINDON TOWN FANS.. We all go in the townend to sing shout and support our team as we all love it I have never been a season ticket holder but do go to most home games apart from easter week and the last week in september as im on the lash with me mates I was thinking of becoming one this season but to my suprise it would of saved me a masive £4 so what the point in that.. DarrenSTFCRomain
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8:52pm Wed 10 Oct 12

SAPFanSTFC says...

avo wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Good post MITTED. I think I'd even go as far as to say that football snobbery prevails in a lot of families - even well established local ones - who think they need to be seen to "support" a big club, while looking down their noses at STFC. Also there's peer pressure amongst kids. Our grandson feels more comfortable in a Liverpool shirt than a Town shirt because nearly all his mates are "supporters" of one of the big clubs. This is the stuff we have to try to reverse. . One last point. The last 20 or 30 years has seen the emergence of the non-supporting "supporter" - the person who thinks that talking about a club and faithfully watching it on Sky is supporting it. They seem to be blissfully unaware that supporting your football club means being there with your voice, your financial contribution and your soul. And - before I get accused of picking on people who would love to be there but can't - I should just add that I'm not talking about them.
Yet-at my sons school, it is a constant pleasure to see so many of the young boys running around in there swindon kits!
.
It seems that in some areas this is the case, but not all, yet......
Having just moved to RWB my 7 & 4yr olds are loving it as they both wear their Swindon kits to all their football training and other events, whereas just a few months back in Thatcham due to the majority of the school being Reading or more often than not a Premiership fan, there was always peer pressure on them.
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Never any bullying but it was hard for them to stand tall all the time...the eldest used to wear his England kit every other week.
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It did all change when we won the league as he could look the Arsenal and Liverpool fans in the eye and say HAH! we're champions!...he did well for a young kiddy surrounded by a load of Premiership coach potato fans but now there is a lot of the STFC around.
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Mind you it isn't bloomin cheap! Eldest son had a home kit this year and the youngest a blue Foderingham kit...that used the last of my winnings from last year for sure!
[quote][p][bold]avo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Good post MITTED. I think I'd even go as far as to say that football snobbery prevails in a lot of families - even well established local ones - who think they need to be seen to "support" a big club, while looking down their noses at STFC. Also there's peer pressure amongst kids. Our grandson feels more comfortable in a Liverpool shirt than a Town shirt because nearly all his mates are "supporters" of one of the big clubs. This is the stuff we have to try to reverse. . One last point. The last 20 or 30 years has seen the emergence of the non-supporting "supporter" - the person who thinks that talking about a club and faithfully watching it on Sky is supporting it. They seem to be blissfully unaware that supporting your football club means being there with your voice, your financial contribution and your soul. And - before I get accused of picking on people who would love to be there but can't - I should just add that I'm not talking about them.[/p][/quote]Yet-at my sons school, it is a constant pleasure to see so many of the young boys running around in there swindon kits! . It seems that in some areas this is the case, but not all, yet......[/p][/quote]Having just moved to RWB my 7 & 4yr olds are loving it as they both wear their Swindon kits to all their football training and other events, whereas just a few months back in Thatcham due to the majority of the school being Reading or more often than not a Premiership fan, there was always peer pressure on them. ... Never any bullying but it was hard for them to stand tall all the time...the eldest used to wear his England kit every other week. ---. It did all change when we won the league as he could look the Arsenal and Liverpool fans in the eye and say HAH! we're champions!...he did well for a young kiddy surrounded by a load of Premiership coach potato fans but now there is a lot of the STFC around. ---. Mind you it isn't bloomin cheap! Eldest son had a home kit this year and the youngest a blue Foderingham kit...that used the last of my winnings from last year for sure! SAPFanSTFC
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8:57pm Wed 10 Oct 12

SAPFanSTFC says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Yes JB, I knew I should have explained myself better. I was mostly just adding to your comment rather than disagreeing with you. Apologies for a pi55 poor post! On the subject of relative size of the clubs, I do think we are bigger than our status suggests. We've just lost our way. If we had managed to capitalise on our previous successes, I think we would now be viewed in the same bracket as say Bolton, Blackburn and Ipswich.
Totally agree with you on that score - we stood toe to toe with Blackburn rising up through the leagues but their big investment changed things.
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I always wonder what would have happened had we NOT been demoted!?
...now that was a team I believed could have kept us in the top flight we would have looked a very different proposition to the team with which we got promoted next time round.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Yes JB, I knew I should have explained myself better. I was mostly just adding to your comment rather than disagreeing with you. Apologies for a pi55 poor post! On the subject of relative size of the clubs, I do think we are bigger than our status suggests. We've just lost our way. If we had managed to capitalise on our previous successes, I think we would now be viewed in the same bracket as say Bolton, Blackburn and Ipswich.[/p][/quote]Totally agree with you on that score - we stood toe to toe with Blackburn rising up through the leagues but their big investment changed things. ---. I always wonder what would have happened had we NOT been demoted!? ...now that was a team I believed could have kept us in the top flight we would have looked a very different proposition to the team with which we got promoted next time round. SAPFanSTFC
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9:39pm Wed 10 Oct 12

Oi Den! says...

SAPFanSTFC wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Yes JB, I knew I should have explained myself better. I was mostly just adding to your comment rather than disagreeing with you. Apologies for a pi55 poor post! On the subject of relative size of the clubs, I do think we are bigger than our status suggests. We've just lost our way. If we had managed to capitalise on our previous successes, I think we would now be viewed in the same bracket as say Bolton, Blackburn and Ipswich.
Totally agree with you on that score - we stood toe to toe with Blackburn rising up through the leagues but their big investment changed things.
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I always wonder what would have happened had we NOT been demoted!?
...now that was a team I believed could have kept us in the top flight we would have looked a very different proposition to the team with which we got promoted next time round.
Yep, that side was much less fragile than the Hoddle/Gorman team (which was severely weakened by the loss of Calderwood), while still managing to play the best football in the land. I don't think we'd have been the whipping boys of the top flight that we eventually became.
[quote][p][bold]SAPFanSTFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Yes JB, I knew I should have explained myself better. I was mostly just adding to your comment rather than disagreeing with you. Apologies for a pi55 poor post! On the subject of relative size of the clubs, I do think we are bigger than our status suggests. We've just lost our way. If we had managed to capitalise on our previous successes, I think we would now be viewed in the same bracket as say Bolton, Blackburn and Ipswich.[/p][/quote]Totally agree with you on that score - we stood toe to toe with Blackburn rising up through the leagues but their big investment changed things. ---. I always wonder what would have happened had we NOT been demoted!? ...now that was a team I believed could have kept us in the top flight we would have looked a very different proposition to the team with which we got promoted next time round.[/p][/quote]Yep, that side was much less fragile than the Hoddle/Gorman team (which was severely weakened by the loss of Calderwood), while still managing to play the best football in the land. I don't think we'd have been the whipping boys of the top flight that we eventually became. Oi Den!
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5:04pm Thu 11 Oct 12

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Oi Den! wrote:
SAPFanSTFC wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Yes JB, I knew I should have explained myself better. I was mostly just adding to your comment rather than disagreeing with you. Apologies for a pi55 poor post! On the subject of relative size of the clubs, I do think we are bigger than our status suggests. We've just lost our way. If we had managed to capitalise on our previous successes, I think we would now be viewed in the same bracket as say Bolton, Blackburn and Ipswich.
Totally agree with you on that score - we stood toe to toe with Blackburn rising up through the leagues but their big investment changed things.
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I always wonder what would have happened had we NOT been demoted!?
...now that was a team I believed could have kept us in the top flight we would have looked a very different proposition to the team with which we got promoted next time round.
Yep, that side was much less fragile than the Hoddle/Gorman team (which was severely weakened by the loss of Calderwood), while still managing to play the best football in the land. I don't think we'd have been the whipping boys of the top flight that we eventually became.
Nope totally agree - I'd even go so far as to say that we could have been a Stoke, Fulham or Wigan...except that we'd have bigger crowds than Wigan.
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It was a strong team with the ability to develop.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAPFanSTFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Yes JB, I knew I should have explained myself better. I was mostly just adding to your comment rather than disagreeing with you. Apologies for a pi55 poor post! On the subject of relative size of the clubs, I do think we are bigger than our status suggests. We've just lost our way. If we had managed to capitalise on our previous successes, I think we would now be viewed in the same bracket as say Bolton, Blackburn and Ipswich.[/p][/quote]Totally agree with you on that score - we stood toe to toe with Blackburn rising up through the leagues but their big investment changed things. ---. I always wonder what would have happened had we NOT been demoted!? ...now that was a team I believed could have kept us in the top flight we would have looked a very different proposition to the team with which we got promoted next time round.[/p][/quote]Yep, that side was much less fragile than the Hoddle/Gorman team (which was severely weakened by the loss of Calderwood), while still managing to play the best football in the land. I don't think we'd have been the whipping boys of the top flight that we eventually became.[/p][/quote]Nope totally agree - I'd even go so far as to say that we could have been a Stoke, Fulham or Wigan...except that we'd have bigger crowds than Wigan. ---. It was a strong team with the ability to develop. SAPFanSTFC
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8:38pm Thu 11 Oct 12

swindon1969 says...

wow.what is it with you lot? panick, cant beiieve what im reading, the same dribble, the same,my inside info is better than yours,oh look we have an inbargo, why? because of an inept FA, they(FA) are only interested in the big clubs, we are fodder, they love to give it to the medium big clubs,you all know that!
they know Swindon are on the way,up mabe up,and believe me they will do everythging they can to stop that..
wow.what is it with you lot? panick, cant beiieve what im reading, the same dribble, the same,my inside info is better than yours,oh look we have an inbargo, why? because of an inept FA, they(FA) are only interested in the big clubs, we are fodder, they love to give it to the medium big clubs,you all know that! they know Swindon are on the way,up mabe up,and believe me they will do everythging they can to stop that.. swindon1969
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