Di Canio questions mentality after home defeat

Swindon Advertiser: EYE OFF THE BALL: Town fail to break down a stubborn Brentford defence EYE OFF THE BALL: Town fail to break down a stubborn Brentford defence

SWINDON Town manager Paolo Di Canio has questioned his side’s “weak mentality” after they slipped to a 1-0 home defeat to Brentford last night.

Di Canio had predicted that some of his players would not be fully focused for the visit of the Bees following their 4-1 victory over Yeovil on Saturday and he was proved right as Clayton Donaldson netted Brentford all three points.

Incredibly, the Town boss had scribbled down the names of the three players in his starting XI who he expected to fail to come up to standard against the west London outfit before the match, and he revealed that the trio all produced below-par performances.

“We have too many of the youngest players with the snobby attitude sometimes. Once they play a fantastic game they fly away for four or five games and they are not capable of recharging their batteries as a professional,” he said.

“We are not capable to suffer and wait for the next time to take our chance because four or five are not ready for the top level.

“Normally when we create chances we create it with a different style, a different determination and it was clear since the beginning that the three names that I wrote down to Fabrizio that would fly out of the game – if the end there was four in my opinion – three of the four were the ones I wrote down.

“You can ask me why I played them. It’s not easy to change three players who have to link with the others when I try to play my football.

“I was sure because I know my players but sometimes you hope that the other seven can help. When they start like this they are very average. There are some players in here with a weak mentality.”

With the emergency loan window set to close tomorrow, Di Canio is targeting one more recruit to bolster his ranks.

He is believed to be after a winger and he hinted that there is one particular position he is keen to address in the short term.

“I’m not close. Two days to go I want to bring someone in, especially in a specific area because I’m very disappointed with one player specifically,” he said.

“I don’t want people who play tippy tappy football and who don’t have heart. It’s completely against my principles in football – no braveness, no heart, no desire, no commitment and not even fantastic quality. Why did I play him? Because after a few weeks I thought he could understand what I want.

“If he’s not capable I want to change and for this I want to bring in one player.”

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6:16am Wed 21 Nov 12

smirg kcab says...

The wingers not in the same mould as Adam Rooney?
Thought raffa was the missing link yet again, better than Roberts million times better than Rooney
Onwards and upwards
The wingers not in the same mould as Adam Rooney? Thought raffa was the missing link yet again, better than Roberts million times better than Rooney Onwards and upwards smirg kcab

7:09am Wed 21 Nov 12

Ollie Reed's Parky dance! says...

What a dire performance! Just seemed to be second best, out muscled and lacking any quality when it came to passing and in the last third. Pressure is on Saturday to get something to stay in touch before the 2 week break which is what we need so Willo, Miller and Navarro can come back in!
What a dire performance! Just seemed to be second best, out muscled and lacking any quality when it came to passing and in the last third. Pressure is on Saturday to get something to stay in touch before the 2 week break which is what we need so Willo, Miller and Navarro can come back in! Ollie Reed's Parky dance!

7:32am Wed 21 Nov 12

gaz2612 says...

Brentford were better than us in all departments. Their defence was strong and our forwards could find no way through. Our crossing of the ball was very poor. Why were Macca and Bostock not selected to start?
PDC makes his substitutions mainly from anger. Simon Ferry upset him in the first half and was substituted after half time, for no reason as he was playing well. . For Rooney??? DeVita was on the bench, surely this was a better option. Roberts should have been replaced earlier as he was very poor. I would also question the MOM award for Jay Mc as he needs extra training in how to cross a ball and to stop the constant shouting at the linesman! Darren Ward was outstanding and was my MOM. PDC cannot keep blaming the players for the results as he picks the side & makes the substitutions so should take some of the blame. He takes the praise when we win. Lets hope we have a good result on Saturday and come away with three points. I have every faith in the players and am sure that PDC will get it right.
Brentford were better than us in all departments. Their defence was strong and our forwards could find no way through. Our crossing of the ball was very poor. Why were Macca and Bostock not selected to start? PDC makes his substitutions mainly from anger. Simon Ferry upset him in the first half and was substituted after half time, for no reason as he was playing well. . For Rooney??? DeVita was on the bench, surely this was a better option. Roberts should have been replaced earlier as he was very poor. I would also question the MOM award for Jay Mc as he needs extra training in how to cross a ball and to stop the constant shouting at the linesman! Darren Ward was outstanding and was my MOM. PDC cannot keep blaming the players for the results as he picks the side & makes the substitutions so should take some of the blame. He takes the praise when we win. Lets hope we have a good result on Saturday and come away with three points. I have every faith in the players and am sure that PDC will get it right. gaz2612

8:20am Wed 21 Nov 12

old town robin says...

gaz2612 wrote:
Brentford were better than us in all departments. Their defence was strong and our forwards could find no way through. Our crossing of the ball was very poor. Why were Macca and Bostock not selected to start?
PDC makes his substitutions mainly from anger. Simon Ferry upset him in the first half and was substituted after half time, for no reason as he was playing well. . For Rooney??? DeVita was on the bench, surely this was a better option. Roberts should have been replaced earlier as he was very poor. I would also question the MOM award for Jay Mc as he needs extra training in how to cross a ball and to stop the constant shouting at the linesman! Darren Ward was outstanding and was my MOM. PDC cannot keep blaming the players for the results as he picks the side & makes the substitutions so should take some of the blame. He takes the praise when we win. Lets hope we have a good result on Saturday and come away with three points. I have every faith in the players and am sure that PDC will get it right.
You have said it all really, agree with you 100%, only three that come out with any credit is Ward, Thompson and Fodders.I cannot believe how bad James Collins was and for sure his name was on Paolo's piece of paper along side Roberts and toss up between Ritchie and Ferry.

But in the end the buck stops with the manager. He selects the team, it's his tactics to play direct, he has no plan B when we are out jumped, out muscled with this aweful head tennis and long ball game he insist we play. The game was crying out for Bostock to start and what does he do, plays a half fit Danny Holland who in time will come good, but this was too soon and the midfield might as well not have been on the field as the long balls played by-passed any chance of them controlling the centre park.

No, Paolo only one person responsible for that dreadful performance and that's you. your team selection, your substitutions, your tactics, they play and train how you want them to and last night they looked completely spent of energy and got punished by vorsprung teknik, Uwe out thought you in every department. Be a man and admit it instead of just blaming your players.
[quote][p][bold]gaz2612[/bold] wrote: Brentford were better than us in all departments. Their defence was strong and our forwards could find no way through. Our crossing of the ball was very poor. Why were Macca and Bostock not selected to start? PDC makes his substitutions mainly from anger. Simon Ferry upset him in the first half and was substituted after half time, for no reason as he was playing well. . For Rooney??? DeVita was on the bench, surely this was a better option. Roberts should have been replaced earlier as he was very poor. I would also question the MOM award for Jay Mc as he needs extra training in how to cross a ball and to stop the constant shouting at the linesman! Darren Ward was outstanding and was my MOM. PDC cannot keep blaming the players for the results as he picks the side & makes the substitutions so should take some of the blame. He takes the praise when we win. Lets hope we have a good result on Saturday and come away with three points. I have every faith in the players and am sure that PDC will get it right.[/p][/quote]You have said it all really, agree with you 100%, only three that come out with any credit is Ward, Thompson and Fodders.I cannot believe how bad James Collins was and for sure his name was on Paolo's piece of paper along side Roberts and toss up between Ritchie and Ferry. But in the end the buck stops with the manager. He selects the team, it's his tactics to play direct, he has no plan B when we are out jumped, out muscled with this aweful head tennis and long ball game he insist we play. The game was crying out for Bostock to start and what does he do, plays a half fit Danny Holland who in time will come good, but this was too soon and the midfield might as well not have been on the field as the long balls played by-passed any chance of them controlling the centre park. No, Paolo only one person responsible for that dreadful performance and that's you. your team selection, your substitutions, your tactics, they play and train how you want them to and last night they looked completely spent of energy and got punished by vorsprung teknik, Uwe out thought you in every department. Be a man and admit it instead of just blaming your players. old town robin

8:20am Wed 21 Nov 12

HOOKEY says...

i agree with what u say about bostock and macca not playing,i keep saying it put macca back in midfield.palo just moans al game,and after the game his interveiw on the radio is becomeing a joke
i agree with what u say about bostock and macca not playing,i keep saying it put macca back in midfield.palo just moans al game,and after the game his interveiw on the radio is becomeing a joke HOOKEY

8:28am Wed 21 Nov 12

dreamofacleansheet2 says...

We weren't at our best last night but they were by far and away the best organised side I've seen at this level for a long time. Credit to them and their manager who played Donaldson right midfield first half then when he didn't get any joy against Jay swapped him over to the left. Then when we went chasing played more up front.

That said we were unlucky not to be 1 up at half time and how Martin missed that header injury time is anyone's guess.

We have high expectations, me especially but you can't win them all. It's only my opinion but Macca must come back into centre of defence as I just can't have us going backwards every time Ward gets the ball. To be fair the midfield weren't good at being available but every time they were he still didn't pick them out, preferring sideways or backwards.

I also thought Ferry was unfortunately very average tonight but was frankly better than Hollands. He has much to do to convince me on that showing. As I've said previously I'd pick Ferry and Bostock every time. I can only think Paolo trying to keep his price down to buy him in January.

Roberts, Mmm Raffa for me every time, really don't see what people see him. Shows flashes but for me he is consistently not good enough to warrant his lack of defence duties, marking and tackling.

Ritchie needs to get back on his game, I'd also like to see him go to the byeline occasionally and cross with his right foot.

I think Collins gets a very hard time on here, he's only 21 and frankly some of the service was dire. Martin does look the part and when his team mates can get on his wave length he'll be good I think.

All in all not the best but these things happen. We need to find a way of breaking down 4-5-1 but still think we'll win the league.

Ps apart from Donaldson and thier keeper I thought their number four Adam Forshaw was the stand out player on the park last night.
We weren't at our best last night but they were by far and away the best organised side I've seen at this level for a long time. Credit to them and their manager who played Donaldson right midfield first half then when he didn't get any joy against Jay swapped him over to the left. Then when we went chasing played more up front. That said we were unlucky not to be 1 up at half time and how Martin missed that header injury time is anyone's guess. We have high expectations, me especially but you can't win them all. It's only my opinion but Macca must come back into centre of defence as I just can't have us going backwards every time Ward gets the ball. To be fair the midfield weren't good at being available but every time they were he still didn't pick them out, preferring sideways or backwards. I also thought Ferry was unfortunately very average tonight but was frankly better than Hollands. He has much to do to convince me on that showing. As I've said previously I'd pick Ferry and Bostock every time. I can only think Paolo trying to keep his price down to buy him in January. Roberts, Mmm Raffa for me every time, really don't see what people see him. Shows flashes but for me he is consistently not good enough to warrant his lack of defence duties, marking and tackling. Ritchie needs to get back on his game, I'd also like to see him go to the byeline occasionally and cross with his right foot. I think Collins gets a very hard time on here, he's only 21 and frankly some of the service was dire. Martin does look the part and when his team mates can get on his wave length he'll be good I think. All in all not the best but these things happen. We need to find a way of breaking down 4-5-1 but still think we'll win the league. Ps apart from Donaldson and thier keeper I thought their number four Adam Forshaw was the stand out player on the park last night. dreamofacleansheet2

8:37am Wed 21 Nov 12

gibbo1012 says...

this is my comments based on last nights game.

Fodders - Played well but not sure why we keep kicking long high balls to Matt Ritchie (smallest man on pitch)

Thompson - Played well
Devera - forming a good partnership with ward.
Mcleveley - Best game he has played but his distribution is still poor.
Ward - clearly been our best player for a few weeks now, needs to be signed on a permanent deal.

Ferry - Played well not sure why he was substituted ?????
Hollands - Seemed five yards off the pace was a bit like Risser of old in the midfield chasing shadows
Ritchie - Matt clearly seems burnt out needs a rest not the same player at the mo.
Roberts - Awful week in week out just a nancy boy - get rid !!!!
Collins - didnt seem on it last night at all , but still does a lot of running.
Martin - think he will come good if he keeps a starting spot , physical but needs to lose a few pounds i think.

not sure why we beat a team 4-1 at the weekend, and change the team apart frowm williams who was injured.

Seems paolo is playing the Ranieri game " the tinkerman"
this is my comments based on last nights game. Fodders - Played well but not sure why we keep kicking long high balls to Matt Ritchie (smallest man on pitch) Thompson - Played well Devera - forming a good partnership with ward. Mcleveley - Best game he has played but his distribution is still poor. Ward - clearly been our best player for a few weeks now, needs to be signed on a permanent deal. Ferry - Played well not sure why he was substituted ????? Hollands - Seemed five yards off the pace was a bit like Risser of old in the midfield chasing shadows Ritchie - Matt clearly seems burnt out needs a rest not the same player at the mo. Roberts - Awful week in week out just a nancy boy - get rid !!!! Collins - didnt seem on it last night at all , but still does a lot of running. Martin - think he will come good if he keeps a starting spot , physical but needs to lose a few pounds i think. not sure why we beat a team 4-1 at the weekend, and change the team apart frowm williams who was injured. Seems paolo is playing the Ranieri game " the tinkerman" gibbo1012

8:44am Wed 21 Nov 12

mallorca says...

Interesting comments from Pdc,is clear who know's his players and there limitations.
No doubt he will go all out to correct this.
As post said sounded a real bad night plus over here we had PC probs so only picked up some of the game.
Still is impossible to win all games and to be honest when you think we are playing in an upper level this season they aint doing that bad.
I guess this will bring a few back down to earth???? sat is another hard game and let's hope they can pick themselves up dust themselves off and WIN.
Soundes as if martin gave his best but needs a few more games hope that works before his loan period ends.
Overall we have a decent team and I guess Pdc will get the best out of them
Interesting comments from Pdc,is clear who know's his players and there limitations. No doubt he will go all out to correct this. As post said sounded a real bad night plus over here we had PC probs so only picked up some of the game. Still is impossible to win all games and to be honest when you think we are playing in an upper level this season they aint doing that bad. I guess this will bring a few back down to earth???? sat is another hard game and let's hope they can pick themselves up dust themselves off and WIN. Soundes as if martin gave his best but needs a few more games hope that works before his loan period ends. Overall we have a decent team and I guess Pdc will get the best out of them mallorca

8:49am Wed 21 Nov 12

Psychedelic Syd says...

I think there are many common threads in all the comments. Ferry and Bostock should be starting every match, Roberts is weak and does not contribute much and Collins is looking right out of sorts. Storey struggled too when he came on but then when the ball is continually hoofed up in the air it is hardly suited to his style of play.

We have a decent enough squad but team selection and tactics are highly questionable. Awful match, total depression. Throwing away far too many points at home.
I think there are many common threads in all the comments. Ferry and Bostock should be starting every match, Roberts is weak and does not contribute much and Collins is looking right out of sorts. Storey struggled too when he came on but then when the ball is continually hoofed up in the air it is hardly suited to his style of play. We have a decent enough squad but team selection and tactics are highly questionable. Awful match, total depression. Throwing away far too many points at home. Psychedelic Syd

9:13am Wed 21 Nov 12

Oi Den! says...

old town robin wrote:
gaz2612 wrote:
Brentford were better than us in all departments. Their defence was strong and our forwards could find no way through. Our crossing of the ball was very poor. Why were Macca and Bostock not selected to start?
PDC makes his substitutions mainly from anger. Simon Ferry upset him in the first half and was substituted after half time, for no reason as he was playing well. . For Rooney??? DeVita was on the bench, surely this was a better option. Roberts should have been replaced earlier as he was very poor. I would also question the MOM award for Jay Mc as he needs extra training in how to cross a ball and to stop the constant shouting at the linesman! Darren Ward was outstanding and was my MOM. PDC cannot keep blaming the players for the results as he picks the side & makes the substitutions so should take some of the blame. He takes the praise when we win. Lets hope we have a good result on Saturday and come away with three points. I have every faith in the players and am sure that PDC will get it right.
You have said it all really, agree with you 100%, only three that come out with any credit is Ward, Thompson and Fodders.I cannot believe how bad James Collins was and for sure his name was on Paolo's piece of paper along side Roberts and toss up between Ritchie and Ferry.

But in the end the buck stops with the manager. He selects the team, it's his tactics to play direct, he has no plan B when we are out jumped, out muscled with this aweful head tennis and long ball game he insist we play. The game was crying out for Bostock to start and what does he do, plays a half fit Danny Holland who in time will come good, but this was too soon and the midfield might as well not have been on the field as the long balls played by-passed any chance of them controlling the centre park.

No, Paolo only one person responsible for that dreadful performance and that's you. your team selection, your substitutions, your tactics, they play and train how you want them to and last night they looked completely spent of energy and got punished by vorsprung teknik, Uwe out thought you in every department. Be a man and admit it instead of just blaming your players.
Excellent post OTR, although I would add Devera to the list of those who came out with some credit and I do think Collins suffered from very poor service - not for the first time.
[quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gaz2612[/bold] wrote: Brentford were better than us in all departments. Their defence was strong and our forwards could find no way through. Our crossing of the ball was very poor. Why were Macca and Bostock not selected to start? PDC makes his substitutions mainly from anger. Simon Ferry upset him in the first half and was substituted after half time, for no reason as he was playing well. . For Rooney??? DeVita was on the bench, surely this was a better option. Roberts should have been replaced earlier as he was very poor. I would also question the MOM award for Jay Mc as he needs extra training in how to cross a ball and to stop the constant shouting at the linesman! Darren Ward was outstanding and was my MOM. PDC cannot keep blaming the players for the results as he picks the side & makes the substitutions so should take some of the blame. He takes the praise when we win. Lets hope we have a good result on Saturday and come away with three points. I have every faith in the players and am sure that PDC will get it right.[/p][/quote]You have said it all really, agree with you 100%, only three that come out with any credit is Ward, Thompson and Fodders.I cannot believe how bad James Collins was and for sure his name was on Paolo's piece of paper along side Roberts and toss up between Ritchie and Ferry. But in the end the buck stops with the manager. He selects the team, it's his tactics to play direct, he has no plan B when we are out jumped, out muscled with this aweful head tennis and long ball game he insist we play. The game was crying out for Bostock to start and what does he do, plays a half fit Danny Holland who in time will come good, but this was too soon and the midfield might as well not have been on the field as the long balls played by-passed any chance of them controlling the centre park. No, Paolo only one person responsible for that dreadful performance and that's you. your team selection, your substitutions, your tactics, they play and train how you want them to and last night they looked completely spent of energy and got punished by vorsprung teknik, Uwe out thought you in every department. Be a man and admit it instead of just blaming your players.[/p][/quote]Excellent post OTR, although I would add Devera to the list of those who came out with some credit and I do think Collins suffered from very poor service - not for the first time. Oi Den!

9:17am Wed 21 Nov 12

Marmite Soldier says...

I also wrote down a list of players who would play badly last night. It was called the team sheet, and I was 90% correct.

Brentford deserved what they got, and so did we.

Never sure about this ‘tippy tappy’ football statement we always hear about, and which PDC doesn’t want us to play.

I used to think it meant passing with no end product.

Now I’m beginning to believe it means passing at all, rather than hoofing the ball the length of the pitch to strikers who will be out muscled.

Like last night.

Oh, and against Sheffield United.
I also wrote down a list of players who would play badly last night. It was called the team sheet, and I was 90% correct. Brentford deserved what they got, and so did we. Never sure about this ‘tippy tappy’ football statement we always hear about, and which PDC doesn’t want us to play. I used to think it meant passing with no end product. Now I’m beginning to believe it means passing at all, rather than hoofing the ball the length of the pitch to strikers who will be out muscled. Like last night. Oh, and against Sheffield United. Marmite Soldier

9:23am Wed 21 Nov 12

NEWBURYREDS says...

well my 1 home game a month was a total waste we got back in notts at 12.30am why o why do we play better away? and these long balls are a joke especially to matt. thank god its only a 4 mile trip for us on Saturday
well my 1 home game a month was a total waste we got back in notts at 12.30am why o why do we play better away? and these long balls are a joke especially to matt. thank god its only a 4 mile trip for us on Saturday NEWBURYREDS

9:29am Wed 21 Nov 12

Redhouse Red says...

Someone please clarify for me what position Roberts is supposed to play?

Is it on the wing? Because I'm not sure I've ever seen him there
Someone please clarify for me what position Roberts is supposed to play? Is it on the wing? Because I'm not sure I've ever seen him there Redhouse Red

9:52am Wed 21 Nov 12

Stratton Red says...

gaz2612 wrote:
Brentford were better than us in all departments. Their defence was strong and our forwards could find no way through. Our crossing of the ball was very poor. Why were Macca and Bostock not selected to start? PDC makes his substitutions mainly from anger. Simon Ferry upset him in the first half and was substituted after half time, for no reason as he was playing well. . For Rooney??? DeVita was on the bench, surely this was a better option. Roberts should have been replaced earlier as he was very poor. I would also question the MOM award for Jay Mc as he needs extra training in how to cross a ball and to stop the constant shouting at the linesman! Darren Ward was outstanding and was my MOM. PDC cannot keep blaming the players for the results as he picks the side & makes the substitutions so should take some of the blame. He takes the praise when we win. Lets hope we have a good result on Saturday and come away with three points. I have every faith in the players and am sure that PDC will get it right.
Darren Ward was defensively outstanding but only has a hoof. If macca is fit he needs to play at the back as he will pass the ball out. PDC should just ask him who he prefers playing with at CH
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Yesterdays game was crying out for another central midlfielder to allow Ritchie and Miller (although l would prefer RDV LM) to stretch their game. We played into their hands playing it through the middle and hoofing it straight onto the head of their slow but big no. 6.
*
Will the real STFC please stand up?
[quote][p][bold]gaz2612[/bold] wrote: Brentford were better than us in all departments. Their defence was strong and our forwards could find no way through. Our crossing of the ball was very poor. Why were Macca and Bostock not selected to start? PDC makes his substitutions mainly from anger. Simon Ferry upset him in the first half and was substituted after half time, for no reason as he was playing well. . For Rooney??? DeVita was on the bench, surely this was a better option. Roberts should have been replaced earlier as he was very poor. I would also question the MOM award for Jay Mc as he needs extra training in how to cross a ball and to stop the constant shouting at the linesman! Darren Ward was outstanding and was my MOM. PDC cannot keep blaming the players for the results as he picks the side & makes the substitutions so should take some of the blame. He takes the praise when we win. Lets hope we have a good result on Saturday and come away with three points. I have every faith in the players and am sure that PDC will get it right.[/p][/quote]Darren Ward was defensively outstanding but only has a hoof. If macca is fit he needs to play at the back as he will pass the ball out. PDC should just ask him who he prefers playing with at CH * Yesterdays game was crying out for another central midlfielder to allow Ritchie and Miller (although l would prefer RDV LM) to stretch their game. We played into their hands playing it through the middle and hoofing it straight onto the head of their slow but big no. 6. * Will the real STFC please stand up? Stratton Red

9:53am Wed 21 Nov 12

the wizard says...

Cutting to the chase, our best period of play was when we played football on the ground towards the end of the first half. We passed and stroked the ball around in their half of the park and on reflection thought we were unlucky not to score from the number of corners and chances we had. Playing the ball on the ground the players linked up and passed well.

This was all promising, then then second half flippin' hoof here there everywhere. A totally useless tactic we have tried before and again failed at. They have two tall centre backs who were going to win the ball every time, so what do we do, substitute motor man Ferry who is our best play maker in the middle of the park. Useless. You take off the one man who is going to make the difference. Hollands was out on his feet at the end of the first half, he should have been the first to get subbed, but how is the manager going to see that when he spends most of the time with his back to the play.
No Paolo, when we play the ball we play it well, call it what you like but most people prefer tippy tappy to hoof ball, because while we have possession the other team cannot score, simple as that. You need some better tactics that can break down other teams. You cannot keep blaming players all the time. Hoof ball tactics do not win games for us. If we are guilty of anything right now its lack of tactical awareness and ability to adapt, and that comes from the bench, so its down to you Mr Premiership Manager to sort it out, if you have3 the ability, desire and passion to do so, you know, the same qualities you demand of your players, or is you mind a bit blurrey.
Cutting to the chase, our best period of play was when we played football on the ground towards the end of the first half. We passed and stroked the ball around in their half of the park and on reflection thought we were unlucky not to score from the number of corners and chances we had. Playing the ball on the ground the players linked up and passed well. This was all promising, then then second half flippin' hoof here there everywhere. A totally useless tactic we have tried before and again failed at. They have two tall centre backs who were going to win the ball every time, so what do we do, substitute motor man Ferry who is our best play maker in the middle of the park. Useless. You take off the one man who is going to make the difference. Hollands was out on his feet at the end of the first half, he should have been the first to get subbed, but how is the manager going to see that when he spends most of the time with his back to the play. No Paolo, when we play the ball we play it well, call it what you like but most people prefer tippy tappy to hoof ball, because while we have possession the other team cannot score, simple as that. You need some better tactics that can break down other teams. You cannot keep blaming players all the time. Hoof ball tactics do not win games for us. If we are guilty of anything right now its lack of tactical awareness and ability to adapt, and that comes from the bench, so its down to you Mr Premiership Manager to sort it out, if you have3 the ability, desire and passion to do so, you know, the same qualities you demand of your players, or is you mind a bit blurrey. the wizard

10:11am Wed 21 Nov 12

MITTED says...

We were truly awful last night. Brentford did a job but it was in the style that they apparently play every week, home and away; Soul destroying, negative football whose sole mantra is to stop the opposition playing at all costs. Truly horrible.
I would rather the type of football that Paulo wants any day of the week.
In Paulo we trust.
COYR
We were truly awful last night. Brentford did a job but it was in the style that they apparently play every week, home and away; Soul destroying, negative football whose sole mantra is to stop the opposition playing at all costs. Truly horrible. I would rather the type of football that Paulo wants any day of the week. In Paulo we trust. COYR MITTED

10:15am Wed 21 Nov 12

dreamofacleansheet2 says...

We do need to calm down a bit I think. We were clearly not at our best. It happens. All part of the learning experience for players and manager.

At the end of the day we had more possession, more shots, more corners, less bookings, but we still managed to lose.

The time to worry is when even not at our best we don't create any chances. Chin up ladies and gentleman, the day will only get better. As Frank Sinatra once said "I feel sorry for people that don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day."

I feel sorry for those Town fans that permanently see the glass half empty and can never take anything positive.

We're winning the league, get preparing that statue for Summer 2014....
We do need to calm down a bit I think. We were clearly not at our best. It happens. All part of the learning experience for players and manager. At the end of the day we had more possession, more shots, more corners, less bookings, but we still managed to lose. The time to worry is when even not at our best we don't create any chances. Chin up ladies and gentleman, the day will only get better. As Frank Sinatra once said "I feel sorry for people that don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day." I feel sorry for those Town fans that permanently see the glass half empty and can never take anything positive. We're winning the league, get preparing that statue for Summer 2014.... dreamofacleansheet2

10:16am Wed 21 Nov 12

pdc does wot he wants says...

we were the better team last night we were in there box for the last 15 minutes of the first half we missed a free header in the last min!
they had 1 shot that was easily saved by wes and the mistake from thompson which lead to the goal that was all.
we clearly were not as good as saturday but does no one remember the saves there keeper made at the end of the first half and the blocking on the line just didnt get the luck and one sloppy mistake then its hard to break down a defence as big as theres. roll on saturday and get behind the team no where near as bad as orient or colchester.
we were the better team last night we were in there box for the last 15 minutes of the first half we missed a free header in the last min! they had 1 shot that was easily saved by wes and the mistake from thompson which lead to the goal that was all. we clearly were not as good as saturday but does no one remember the saves there keeper made at the end of the first half and the blocking on the line just didnt get the luck and one sloppy mistake then its hard to break down a defence as big as theres. roll on saturday and get behind the team no where near as bad as orient or colchester. pdc does wot he wants

10:21am Wed 21 Nov 12

fss2012 says...

Whilst the players are not exempt by any stretch from our results at home, Im still staggered how a self proclaimed "top" manager is continuing to make the same errors in home fixtures. Yet again we succumb to a smash and grab from a team that flood the midfield, to which we have no response. If his preferred formation is 4-4-2 then so be it. However, there must be a contingency on how we can change the dynamics of the team when a 4-4-2 doesn't work. When we play at home, the emphasis is on us to go and make things happen, however we are showing that all too often we are not good enough to do this, enough of the time, against teams that pack the midfield. I for one feel that we don't move the ball quick enough, we don't spread the play quick enough and the movement of players with and without the ball is too static. Furthermore, Robbo and Ritchie don't provide enough width to the team, whether that be of there of choosing during a game, or because they are being drawn infield to deal with us being over ran in the central areas or because we are not feeding them the ball quick enough becuase we are out numbered.

PDC must recognise in games (especially @ home), where there is a need to perhaps match a team in midfield with 5 as well and give us a fighting chance of (1) keeping the ball better, (2) winning the ball back quicker as we can match them for numbers. This could help lessen the need for Robbo and Ritchie to tuck in so much as there wont be the need. This will then not only allow us to be more competitive centrally but help stretch the opposition by having players provide that much needed width. You only have to look at last nights game, were ferry and hollands really going to out pass, out compete and have the upper hand of the Brentford 3?!! the answer is no... that's not a criticism of them, but they as a pair are not better than Brentford's trio...

Its no coincidence we beat Yeovil comfortably or that we are doing well away from home. In these games, the opponents are far more open in their approach to the game and as a result, it opens the game up more and allows us space for us to move into and attack and as a result we are getting more wins. Last season @ home we faced teams that took the same approach as this season, however the telling difference is the quality we now face, even against the likes of Orient and Colchester.

I know talk is easy from the stands, but so is PDC constantly drawing the distinction between him and his players when we lose... if we win its them (manager and team) that have won, but if we lose, its them (players alone) that have lost because of xyz... Whilst our performances are proving to be indifferent which of course the players are jointly accountable for, the manager needs to recognise that at this moment in time @ home games, more often or not he is showing a lack of vision and displaying at times his tactical inept in not being able to try and change the dynamics of our game when needed.
Whilst the players are not exempt by any stretch from our results at home, Im still staggered how a self proclaimed "top" manager is continuing to make the same errors in home fixtures. Yet again we succumb to a smash and grab from a team that flood the midfield, to which we have no response. If his preferred formation is 4-4-2 then so be it. However, there must be a contingency on how we can change the dynamics of the team when a 4-4-2 doesn't work. When we play at home, the emphasis is on us to go and make things happen, however we are showing that all too often we are not good enough to do this, enough of the time, against teams that pack the midfield. I for one feel that we don't move the ball quick enough, we don't spread the play quick enough and the movement of players with and without the ball is too static. Furthermore, Robbo and Ritchie don't provide enough width to the team, whether that be of there of choosing during a game, or because they are being drawn infield to deal with us being over ran in the central areas or because we are not feeding them the ball quick enough becuase we are out numbered. PDC must recognise in games (especially @ home), where there is a need to perhaps match a team in midfield with 5 as well and give us a fighting chance of (1) keeping the ball better, (2) winning the ball back quicker as we can match them for numbers. This could help lessen the need for Robbo and Ritchie to tuck in so much as there wont be the need. This will then not only allow us to be more competitive centrally but help stretch the opposition by having players provide that much needed width. You only have to look at last nights game, were ferry and hollands really going to out pass, out compete and have the upper hand of the Brentford 3?!! the answer is no... that's not a criticism of them, but they as a pair are not better than Brentford's trio... Its no coincidence we beat Yeovil comfortably or that we are doing well away from home. In these games, the opponents are far more open in their approach to the game and as a result, it opens the game up more and allows us space for us to move into and attack and as a result we are getting more wins. Last season @ home we faced teams that took the same approach as this season, however the telling difference is the quality we now face, even against the likes of Orient and Colchester. I know talk is easy from the stands, but so is PDC constantly drawing the distinction between him and his players when we lose... if we win its them (manager and team) that have won, but if we lose, its them (players alone) that have lost because of xyz... Whilst our performances are proving to be indifferent which of course the players are jointly accountable for, the manager needs to recognise that at this moment in time @ home games, more often or not he is showing a lack of vision and displaying at times his tactical inept in not being able to try and change the dynamics of our game when needed. fss2012

10:22am Wed 21 Nov 12

hertz says...

Keep the faith , I think everyone around us drew or lost , there is still nothing in it down to about 12th , we have a mid season break coming up after which Paolo will be awash with selection choices , let the others battle it out in the cup while we pick up the pace in the league .We are in good shape tucked behind the few at the half way turn . Can you see Tranmere and Stevenage lasting the pace ? COYR
Keep the faith , I think everyone around us drew or lost , there is still nothing in it down to about 12th , we have a mid season break coming up after which Paolo will be awash with selection choices , let the others battle it out in the cup while we pick up the pace in the league .We are in good shape tucked behind the few at the half way turn . Can you see Tranmere and Stevenage lasting the pace ? COYR hertz

10:31am Wed 21 Nov 12

Malkym says...

Oi Den! wrote:
old town robin wrote:
gaz2612 wrote: Brentford were better than us in all departments. Their defence was strong and our forwards could find no way through. Our crossing of the ball was very poor. Why were Macca and Bostock not selected to start? PDC makes his substitutions mainly from anger. Simon Ferry upset him in the first half and was substituted after half time, for no reason as he was playing well. . For Rooney??? DeVita was on the bench, surely this was a better option. Roberts should have been replaced earlier as he was very poor. I would also question the MOM award for Jay Mc as he needs extra training in how to cross a ball and to stop the constant shouting at the linesman! Darren Ward was outstanding and was my MOM. PDC cannot keep blaming the players for the results as he picks the side & makes the substitutions so should take some of the blame. He takes the praise when we win. Lets hope we have a good result on Saturday and come away with three points. I have every faith in the players and am sure that PDC will get it right.
You have said it all really, agree with you 100%, only three that come out with any credit is Ward, Thompson and Fodders.I cannot believe how bad James Collins was and for sure his name was on Paolo's piece of paper along side Roberts and toss up between Ritchie and Ferry. But in the end the buck stops with the manager. He selects the team, it's his tactics to play direct, he has no plan B when we are out jumped, out muscled with this aweful head tennis and long ball game he insist we play. The game was crying out for Bostock to start and what does he do, plays a half fit Danny Holland who in time will come good, but this was too soon and the midfield might as well not have been on the field as the long balls played by-passed any chance of them controlling the centre park. No, Paolo only one person responsible for that dreadful performance and that's you. your team selection, your substitutions, your tactics, they play and train how you want them to and last night they looked completely spent of energy and got punished by vorsprung teknik, Uwe out thought you in every department. Be a man and admit it instead of just blaming your players.
Excellent post OTR, although I would add Devera to the list of those who came out with some credit and I do think Collins suffered from very poor service - not for the first time.
Yep - JD solid - sorry Den IMO Collins is too slow and can't hack it when the opposition defence is half decent - proof? Blades and last night - just two examples - his two Yeovil goals whilst very well taken were against a side that gave him the freedom of the park and never pressurised him.

We're still in a great position, particularly given our lengthly injury list but we need to be more incisive - start letting the opposition know we're there and stop hoofing it - let's faceit the point is surely proved? if we are going to play the long ball game - we need pace up front and Collins hasn't got that - Martin might when he comes off the pie diet!
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gaz2612[/bold] wrote: Brentford were better than us in all departments. Their defence was strong and our forwards could find no way through. Our crossing of the ball was very poor. Why were Macca and Bostock not selected to start? PDC makes his substitutions mainly from anger. Simon Ferry upset him in the first half and was substituted after half time, for no reason as he was playing well. . For Rooney??? DeVita was on the bench, surely this was a better option. Roberts should have been replaced earlier as he was very poor. I would also question the MOM award for Jay Mc as he needs extra training in how to cross a ball and to stop the constant shouting at the linesman! Darren Ward was outstanding and was my MOM. PDC cannot keep blaming the players for the results as he picks the side & makes the substitutions so should take some of the blame. He takes the praise when we win. Lets hope we have a good result on Saturday and come away with three points. I have every faith in the players and am sure that PDC will get it right.[/p][/quote]You have said it all really, agree with you 100%, only three that come out with any credit is Ward, Thompson and Fodders.I cannot believe how bad James Collins was and for sure his name was on Paolo's piece of paper along side Roberts and toss up between Ritchie and Ferry. But in the end the buck stops with the manager. He selects the team, it's his tactics to play direct, he has no plan B when we are out jumped, out muscled with this aweful head tennis and long ball game he insist we play. The game was crying out for Bostock to start and what does he do, plays a half fit Danny Holland who in time will come good, but this was too soon and the midfield might as well not have been on the field as the long balls played by-passed any chance of them controlling the centre park. No, Paolo only one person responsible for that dreadful performance and that's you. your team selection, your substitutions, your tactics, they play and train how you want them to and last night they looked completely spent of energy and got punished by vorsprung teknik, Uwe out thought you in every department. Be a man and admit it instead of just blaming your players.[/p][/quote]Excellent post OTR, although I would add Devera to the list of those who came out with some credit and I do think Collins suffered from very poor service - not for the first time.[/p][/quote]Yep - JD solid - sorry Den IMO Collins is too slow and can't hack it when the opposition defence is half decent - proof? Blades and last night - just two examples - his two Yeovil goals whilst very well taken were against a side that gave him the freedom of the park and never pressurised him. We're still in a great position, particularly given our lengthly injury list but we need to be more incisive - start letting the opposition know we're there and stop hoofing it - let's faceit the point is surely proved? if we are going to play the long ball game - we need pace up front and Collins hasn't got that - Martin might when he comes off the pie diet! Malkym

10:34am Wed 21 Nov 12

dreamofacleansheet2 says...

fss2012 top post I like that a lot. We need to find a way to break down this 4-5-1 although that said on any given day against Sheff Utd and last night we'd have won despite not being at our best.
fss2012 top post I like that a lot. We need to find a way to break down this 4-5-1 although that said on any given day against Sheff Utd and last night we'd have won despite not being at our best. dreamofacleansheet2

10:43am Wed 21 Nov 12

southside7 says...

Does anyone know what Paolo actually means by tippy tappy? My understanding was when he came to the club was that he would play a good style of football and being Italian with their natural passing game I thought he'd stick to this. Is he for or against it?
Does anyone know what Paolo actually means by tippy tappy? My understanding was when he came to the club was that he would play a good style of football and being Italian with their natural passing game I thought he'd stick to this. Is he for or against it? southside7

10:57am Wed 21 Nov 12

RAYSPARROW says...

We were alright until they scored, the stats show shot and corner count much superior. Then we went into panic mode and lost the plot completely. Not sure team changes helped or sub tactics either.
We were alright until they scored, the stats show shot and corner count much superior. Then we went into panic mode and lost the plot completely. Not sure team changes helped or sub tactics either. RAYSPARROW

11:44am Wed 21 Nov 12

Stratton Red says...

dreamofacleansheet2 wrote:
We do need to calm down a bit I think. We were clearly not at our best. It happens. All part of the learning experience for players and manager. At the end of the day we had more possession, more shots, more corners, less bookings, but we still managed to lose. The time to worry is when even not at our best we don't create any chances. Chin up ladies and gentleman, the day will only get better. As Frank Sinatra once said "I feel sorry for people that don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day." I feel sorry for those Town fans that permanently see the glass half empty and can never take anything positive. We're winning the league, get preparing that statue for Summer 2014....
Being realistic doesn't mean your glass is half empty. I do so hope you're right about wining the league but based on last night I think you need to shorten your name to dreamon...
[quote][p][bold]dreamofacleansheet2[/bold] wrote: We do need to calm down a bit I think. We were clearly not at our best. It happens. All part of the learning experience for players and manager. At the end of the day we had more possession, more shots, more corners, less bookings, but we still managed to lose. The time to worry is when even not at our best we don't create any chances. Chin up ladies and gentleman, the day will only get better. As Frank Sinatra once said "I feel sorry for people that don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day." I feel sorry for those Town fans that permanently see the glass half empty and can never take anything positive. We're winning the league, get preparing that statue for Summer 2014....[/p][/quote]Being realistic doesn't mean your glass is half empty. I do so hope you're right about wining the league but based on last night I think you need to shorten your name to dreamon... Stratton Red

11:46am Wed 21 Nov 12

Pewsham Red says...

In terms of the comments on individual players, I can't really disagree, but I can't see how people think that Brentford were the better side and deserved to win.

They had two chances, one of which they scored from (after an error by Thompson) and clearly came to stifle us. Their record of six away draws tells it's own story of their ambitions when they play away.

Our substitutions were ill-judged and ill-timed, especially the first one, as it upset our balance and they scored almost immediately.

Taking Roberts off was definitely the right thing to do but he should have brought on Devita and not Rooney and none of the substitutions seemed to work, unless it was di Canio's plan to completely lose our shape and play hoof-ball, in which case it worked perfectly.

I like what Di Canio has done for Swindon and I feel we have a pretty good squad, but I am not sure I like the way he claims the credit whenever we win and blames the players whenever we lose.

I think if he came out and accepted responsibility now and again both the fans and the players would appreciate the honesty.
In terms of the comments on individual players, I can't really disagree, but I can't see how people think that Brentford were the better side and deserved to win. They had two chances, one of which they scored from (after an error by Thompson) and clearly came to stifle us. Their record of six away draws tells it's own story of their ambitions when they play away. Our substitutions were ill-judged and ill-timed, especially the first one, as it upset our balance and they scored almost immediately. Taking Roberts off was definitely the right thing to do but he should have brought on Devita and not Rooney and none of the substitutions seemed to work, unless it was di Canio's plan to completely lose our shape and play hoof-ball, in which case it worked perfectly. I like what Di Canio has done for Swindon and I feel we have a pretty good squad, but I am not sure I like the way he claims the credit whenever we win and blames the players whenever we lose. I think if he came out and accepted responsibility now and again both the fans and the players would appreciate the honesty. Pewsham Red

11:53am Wed 21 Nov 12

MITTED says...

southside7 wrote:
Does anyone know what Paolo actually means by tippy tappy? My understanding was when he came to the club was that he would play a good style of football and being Italian with their natural passing game I thought he'd stick to this. Is he for or against it?
He has explained this previously in greater detail: He doesn't like one touch football because unless you are barcelona, it can be light-weight and all too often give the ball away, especially to the likes of Brentford who only play to stop the opposition.

He wants players to control the ball, then pass to players who also make space, with purpose. Ball retention is much higher and it opens up defences (usually!).
COYR
[quote][p][bold]southside7[/bold] wrote: Does anyone know what Paolo actually means by tippy tappy? My understanding was when he came to the club was that he would play a good style of football and being Italian with their natural passing game I thought he'd stick to this. Is he for or against it?[/p][/quote]He has explained this previously in greater detail: He doesn't like one touch football because unless you are barcelona, it can be light-weight and all too often give the ball away, especially to the likes of Brentford who only play to stop the opposition. He wants players to control the ball, then pass to players who also make space, with purpose. Ball retention is much higher and it opens up defences (usually!). COYR MITTED

11:59am Wed 21 Nov 12

dreamofacleansheet2 says...

Stratton very good, liked that but I'll continue to dream....

If we play like last night every week we won't make the play-offs. I'm still going to contend that we won't play like that every week.

Bostock only to be left out to keep price down to buy him January 1 and get him in Paolo please....
Stratton very good, liked that but I'll continue to dream.... If we play like last night every week we won't make the play-offs. I'm still going to contend that we won't play like that every week. Bostock only to be left out to keep price down to buy him January 1 and get him in Paolo please.... dreamofacleansheet2

12:07pm Wed 21 Nov 12

gingerdad says...

MITTED wrote:
southside7 wrote:
Does anyone know what Paolo actually means by tippy tappy? My understanding was when he came to the club was that he would play a good style of football and being Italian with their natural passing game I thought he'd stick to this. Is he for or against it?
He has explained this previously in greater detail: He doesn't like one touch football because unless you are barcelona, it can be light-weight and all too often give the ball away, especially to the likes of Brentford who only play to stop the opposition.

He wants players to control the ball, then pass to players who also make space, with purpose. Ball retention is much higher and it opens up defences (usually!).
COYR
Absolutely. Hoofball is so hit and miss and yields so little. I like the way Nathan and Ritchie bring it down and play. Asking Ferry to jump for headers is a waste -although he did win a few last night. But we must learn to cross the ball better -although Martin should have hit the target in injury time. Really thought we missed RDV last night as well as Macca. But Brentford had done their homework and two markers allowed Ritchie very little space.
[quote][p][bold]MITTED[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southside7[/bold] wrote: Does anyone know what Paolo actually means by tippy tappy? My understanding was when he came to the club was that he would play a good style of football and being Italian with their natural passing game I thought he'd stick to this. Is he for or against it?[/p][/quote]He has explained this previously in greater detail: He doesn't like one touch football because unless you are barcelona, it can be light-weight and all too often give the ball away, especially to the likes of Brentford who only play to stop the opposition. He wants players to control the ball, then pass to players who also make space, with purpose. Ball retention is much higher and it opens up defences (usually!). COYR[/p][/quote]Absolutely. Hoofball is so hit and miss and yields so little. I like the way Nathan and Ritchie bring it down and play. Asking Ferry to jump for headers is a waste -although he did win a few last night. But we must learn to cross the ball better -although Martin should have hit the target in injury time. Really thought we missed RDV last night as well as Macca. But Brentford had done their homework and two markers allowed Ritchie very little space. gingerdad

12:17pm Wed 21 Nov 12

themoonraker says...

My goodness, we really an enigma of a team and the season is a real curates egg.
I would be interested on other posters thoughts about the following:
a) Has PDC bought good players or bad players?
b) If he has bought good players why do they perform so inconsistantly?
c) If the players are bad buys, how good is PDC'S judgement in the transfer/loan market?
d) Is PDC a motivator or does he rule by fear?
e) Is PDC a good tactician?,.if so why do we never appear to have a plan B ( let alone plan C or D)?
Personally,, I am becoming very frustrated hearing PDC constantly balme the players ( he bought/loaned them ! ).
I am also fed up of seeing other teams/managers outbattle and out-think us.
Yes PDC may blame the players, but it does appear at times that should a player deviate even a little bit from his master plan, then they are at best substuted and and worse put into his 'little black book' and shunned.
Am I alone in thinking that PDC has fogotten the all team sports need total togetherness....ther
e is no ' i ' in team !
Oh and before we go down the road of ''it not yet Xmas, give it time'' etc, etc, think back a while because that's a dangerous road to go down.
My goodness, we really an enigma of a team and the season is a real curates egg. I would be interested on other posters thoughts about the following: a) Has PDC bought good players or bad players? b) If he has bought good players why do they perform so inconsistantly? c) If the players are bad buys, how good is PDC'S judgement in the transfer/loan market? d) Is PDC a motivator or does he rule by fear? e) Is PDC a good tactician?,.if so why do we never appear to have a plan B ( let alone plan C or D)? Personally,, I am becoming very frustrated hearing PDC constantly balme the players ( he bought/loaned them ! ). I am also fed up of seeing other teams/managers outbattle and out-think us. Yes PDC may blame the players, but it does appear at times that should a player deviate even a little bit from his master plan, then they are at best substuted and and worse put into his 'little black book' and shunned. Am I alone in thinking that PDC has fogotten the all team sports need total togetherness....ther e is no ' i ' in team ! Oh and before we go down the road of ''it not yet Xmas, give it time'' etc, etc, think back a while because that's a dangerous road to go down. themoonraker

12:29pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Maxwell'79 says...

A number of points I would like to raise after yesterday's performance.

1 - We had at least a dozen corners of which 2 were hit directly into the box - Why are we persisting with the short corner routine which never ever works and adds no value to our game - If the ball isnt in the box we are not going to score it is a simple fact.

2 - Why is Roberts picked every game? He cannot head the ball, crosses the ball less than once a match, never runs at defenders and in my opinion adds no value to the team - I said this last week but at least RDV runs at players. Very strange decision to keep starting Roberts for me.

3 - Unless Macca was injured last night, why not start with the same back 4 from saturday - I think Thompson is fantastic and has a really great future - he rarely misses a tackle or a header BUT Macca drives the team forward when he is on the ball.

4 - Jay Mac needs to learn how to pass a ball. Shocking distribution for me and how he was voted Man of the Match is beyond me.

5 - Move Ritchie to the left hand side and tell him to get the ball in the box at all costs. Faffing around with it and always cutting back to cross it from the right is getting predictable and is not effective.

I am really dissapppointed that we could not perform to the same level as Saturday. Brentford are level on points with us and were very organised but we really should have won this match with our squad and franklly 'hoof-ball' is not going to win us any matches as we cannot compete against big physical teams.

Come on Town - We are still in a great position but lets play the best 11 every game unless injuries persist - We dont need to keep rotsating the squad at this stage as we are not involved in any other competitions!
A number of points I would like to raise after yesterday's performance. 1 - We had at least a dozen corners of which 2 were hit directly into the box - Why are we persisting with the short corner routine which never ever works and adds no value to our game - If the ball isnt in the box we are not going to score it is a simple fact. 2 - Why is Roberts picked every game? He cannot head the ball, crosses the ball less than once a match, never runs at defenders and in my opinion adds no value to the team - I said this last week but at least RDV runs at players. Very strange decision to keep starting Roberts for me. 3 - Unless Macca was injured last night, why not start with the same back 4 from saturday - I think Thompson is fantastic and has a really great future - he rarely misses a tackle or a header BUT Macca drives the team forward when he is on the ball. 4 - Jay Mac needs to learn how to pass a ball. Shocking distribution for me and how he was voted Man of the Match is beyond me. 5 - Move Ritchie to the left hand side and tell him to get the ball in the box at all costs. Faffing around with it and always cutting back to cross it from the right is getting predictable and is not effective. I am really dissapppointed that we could not perform to the same level as Saturday. Brentford are level on points with us and were very organised but we really should have won this match with our squad and franklly 'hoof-ball' is not going to win us any matches as we cannot compete against big physical teams. Come on Town - We are still in a great position but lets play the best 11 every game unless injuries persist - We dont need to keep rotsating the squad at this stage as we are not involved in any other competitions! Maxwell'79

12:33pm Wed 21 Nov 12

billbst says...

MITTED wrote:
southside7 wrote:
Does anyone know what Paolo actually means by tippy tappy? My understanding was when he came to the club was that he would play a good style of football and being Italian with their natural passing game I thought he'd stick to this. Is he for or against it?
He has explained this previously in greater detail: He doesn't like one touch football because unless you are barcelona, it can be light-weight and all too often give the ball away, especially to the likes of Brentford who only play to stop the opposition.

He wants players to control the ball, then pass to players who also make space, with purpose. Ball retention is much higher and it opens up defences (usually!).
COYR
Without saying it directly Paolo's interview clearly linked Roberts with tippy tappy football. Just add one comment to Mitted's summary. Paolo hates the blind flicked layoffs that have little pace and put the receiver under pressure or get blocked. Roberts is the prime culprit but glance at Paolo whenever it happens and you will see his reaction.
[quote][p][bold]MITTED[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southside7[/bold] wrote: Does anyone know what Paolo actually means by tippy tappy? My understanding was when he came to the club was that he would play a good style of football and being Italian with their natural passing game I thought he'd stick to this. Is he for or against it?[/p][/quote]He has explained this previously in greater detail: He doesn't like one touch football because unless you are barcelona, it can be light-weight and all too often give the ball away, especially to the likes of Brentford who only play to stop the opposition. He wants players to control the ball, then pass to players who also make space, with purpose. Ball retention is much higher and it opens up defences (usually!). COYR[/p][/quote]Without saying it directly Paolo's interview clearly linked Roberts with tippy tappy football. Just add one comment to Mitted's summary. Paolo hates the blind flicked layoffs that have little pace and put the receiver under pressure or get blocked. Roberts is the prime culprit but glance at Paolo whenever it happens and you will see his reaction. billbst

12:43pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Oxon-Red says...

gingerdad wrote:
MITTED wrote:
southside7 wrote: Does anyone know what Paolo actually means by tippy tappy? My understanding was when he came to the club was that he would play a good style of football and being Italian with their natural passing game I thought he'd stick to this. Is he for or against it?
He has explained this previously in greater detail: He doesn't like one touch football because unless you are barcelona, it can be light-weight and all too often give the ball away, especially to the likes of Brentford who only play to stop the opposition. He wants players to control the ball, then pass to players who also make space, with purpose. Ball retention is much higher and it opens up defences (usually!). COYR
Absolutely. Hoofball is so hit and miss and yields so little. I like the way Nathan and Ritchie bring it down and play. Asking Ferry to jump for headers is a waste -although he did win a few last night. But we must learn to cross the ball better -although Martin should have hit the target in injury time. Really thought we missed RDV last night as well as Macca. But Brentford had done their homework and two markers allowed Ritchie very little space.
Wasn't it Storey that missed the target in injury time ?

COYMR
[quote][p][bold]gingerdad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MITTED[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southside7[/bold] wrote: Does anyone know what Paolo actually means by tippy tappy? My understanding was when he came to the club was that he would play a good style of football and being Italian with their natural passing game I thought he'd stick to this. Is he for or against it?[/p][/quote]He has explained this previously in greater detail: He doesn't like one touch football because unless you are barcelona, it can be light-weight and all too often give the ball away, especially to the likes of Brentford who only play to stop the opposition. He wants players to control the ball, then pass to players who also make space, with purpose. Ball retention is much higher and it opens up defences (usually!). COYR[/p][/quote]Absolutely. Hoofball is so hit and miss and yields so little. I like the way Nathan and Ritchie bring it down and play. Asking Ferry to jump for headers is a waste -although he did win a few last night. But we must learn to cross the ball better -although Martin should have hit the target in injury time. Really thought we missed RDV last night as well as Macca. But Brentford had done their homework and two markers allowed Ritchie very little space.[/p][/quote]Wasn't it Storey that missed the target in injury time ? COYMR Oxon-Red

12:54pm Wed 21 Nov 12

MITTED says...

Maxwell'79 wrote:
A number of points I would like to raise after yesterday's performance.

1 - We had at least a dozen corners of which 2 were hit directly into the box - Why are we persisting with the short corner routine which never ever works and adds no value to our game - If the ball isnt in the box we are not going to score it is a simple fact.

2 - Why is Roberts picked every game? He cannot head the ball, crosses the ball less than once a match, never runs at defenders and in my opinion adds no value to the team - I said this last week but at least RDV runs at players. Very strange decision to keep starting Roberts for me.

3 - Unless Macca was injured last night, why not start with the same back 4 from saturday - I think Thompson is fantastic and has a really great future - he rarely misses a tackle or a header BUT Macca drives the team forward when he is on the ball.

4 - Jay Mac needs to learn how to pass a ball. Shocking distribution for me and how he was voted Man of the Match is beyond me.

5 - Move Ritchie to the left hand side and tell him to get the ball in the box at all costs. Faffing around with it and always cutting back to cross it from the right is getting predictable and is not effective.

I am really dissapppointed that we could not perform to the same level as Saturday. Brentford are level on points with us and were very organised but we really should have won this match with our squad and franklly 'hoof-ball' is not going to win us any matches as we cannot compete against big physical teams.

Come on Town - We are still in a great position but lets play the best 11 every game unless injuries persist - We dont need to keep rotsating the squad at this stage as we are not involved in any other competitions!
Roberts will often back out of a challenge to win the ball back. School boy stuff and infuriating.
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell'79[/bold] wrote: A number of points I would like to raise after yesterday's performance. 1 - We had at least a dozen corners of which 2 were hit directly into the box - Why are we persisting with the short corner routine which never ever works and adds no value to our game - If the ball isnt in the box we are not going to score it is a simple fact. 2 - Why is Roberts picked every game? He cannot head the ball, crosses the ball less than once a match, never runs at defenders and in my opinion adds no value to the team - I said this last week but at least RDV runs at players. Very strange decision to keep starting Roberts for me. 3 - Unless Macca was injured last night, why not start with the same back 4 from saturday - I think Thompson is fantastic and has a really great future - he rarely misses a tackle or a header BUT Macca drives the team forward when he is on the ball. 4 - Jay Mac needs to learn how to pass a ball. Shocking distribution for me and how he was voted Man of the Match is beyond me. 5 - Move Ritchie to the left hand side and tell him to get the ball in the box at all costs. Faffing around with it and always cutting back to cross it from the right is getting predictable and is not effective. I am really dissapppointed that we could not perform to the same level as Saturday. Brentford are level on points with us and were very organised but we really should have won this match with our squad and franklly 'hoof-ball' is not going to win us any matches as we cannot compete against big physical teams. Come on Town - We are still in a great position but lets play the best 11 every game unless injuries persist - We dont need to keep rotsating the squad at this stage as we are not involved in any other competitions![/p][/quote]Roberts will often back out of a challenge to win the ball back. School boy stuff and infuriating. MITTED

12:56pm Wed 21 Nov 12

oldandwise says...

Most people agree that Roberts is poor.Why does he get played?De Vita is twice the player he was last season yet is playing less games.PDC has an ego problem,anyone gets more attention than him and he is sidelined or criticised.Finally,w
hy oh why do we persist in hoofing it up in the air to defenders to who it is food and drink to.We look a much better team when we play it on the floor.I said and still say we miss too many chances,the four Saturday shoul have been eight and we should have been out of sight before Brentford scored last.Stand up like a man Paulo and accept when you get it wrong!!!
Most people agree that Roberts is poor.Why does he get played?De Vita is twice the player he was last season yet is playing less games.PDC has an ego problem,anyone gets more attention than him and he is sidelined or criticised.Finally,w hy oh why do we persist in hoofing it up in the air to defenders to who it is food and drink to.We look a much better team when we play it on the floor.I said and still say we miss too many chances,the four Saturday shoul have been eight and we should have been out of sight before Brentford scored last.Stand up like a man Paulo and accept when you get it wrong!!! oldandwise

12:58pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Wilesy says...

I'm surprised why we haven't seen the plan B we used v Coventry when Roberts and Collins scored used ever since. Thought that worked very well.

If we are going to persist with this long ball stuff then suggest we need 2 new strikers 6 ft 4 or bigger.
I'm surprised why we haven't seen the plan B we used v Coventry when Roberts and Collins scored used ever since. Thought that worked very well. If we are going to persist with this long ball stuff then suggest we need 2 new strikers 6 ft 4 or bigger. Wilesy

1:05pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Brainy_G93 says...

Must admit I haven't read everything that has been said above but just a comment on the main headline.
It's not the players mentality that's the problem, it's the tactics they've been asked to play - the big hoof forward, it just doesn't work, as has been proved a few times at home this season.
Also we are desperate for a Lee Holmes type player on the left. If Roberts is better than Luke Rooney then get rid of Rooney, he must be bad. Although from what I've seen Rooney is a far better player..... but what do I know.
Must admit I haven't read everything that has been said above but just a comment on the main headline. It's not the players mentality that's the problem, it's the tactics they've been asked to play - the big hoof forward, it just doesn't work, as has been proved a few times at home this season. Also we are desperate for a Lee Holmes type player on the left. If Roberts is better than Luke Rooney then get rid of Rooney, he must be bad. Although from what I've seen Rooney is a far better player..... but what do I know. Brainy_G93

1:08pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Robinonfire says...

TO MANY CHANGES each game......someone tell PDC we are not Man City..
TO MANY CHANGES each game......someone tell PDC we are not Man City.. Robinonfire

1:08pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Robinonfire says...

TO MANY CHANGES each game......someone tell PDC we are not Man City..
TO MANY CHANGES each game......someone tell PDC we are not Man City.. Robinonfire

1:13pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Psychedelic Syd says...

Redhouse Red wrote:
Someone please clarify for me what position Roberts is supposed to play?

Is it on the wing? Because I'm not sure I've ever seen him there
Roberts? Roberts? That hard-tackling, two-footed, instant control, speed merchant who scares the living daylights out of the opposition? Oh was he playing for us last night? I thought I might have glimpsed him once or twice. Lord Lucan springs to mind ......
[quote][p][bold]Redhouse Red[/bold] wrote: Someone please clarify for me what position Roberts is supposed to play? Is it on the wing? Because I'm not sure I've ever seen him there[/p][/quote]Roberts? Roberts? That hard-tackling, two-footed, instant control, speed merchant who scares the living daylights out of the opposition? Oh was he playing for us last night? I thought I might have glimpsed him once or twice. Lord Lucan springs to mind ...... Psychedelic Syd

1:25pm Wed 21 Nov 12

SeanG92 says...

Roberts has been a huge let down, and is the one ready for the chop I believe. We were very, very poor as PDC said, and as he said we play 1 or 2 good games and a number of players just seem to switch off. I can see a few guys getting sold in Jan and a few more experienced guys coming in.

Not sure how Jay got MOTM, I guess it was for the 1 good thing he did, in making up all that ground and getting in the last ditch tackle. Wasn't deserved tho.

Ah well, Im sure we will bounce back on saturday, then we have a week off and everyone can recharge refocus and get us back* to our best.

* I say back, however I dont think we have yet hit our best this season, and we are still in the top 8, so im optimistic!
Roberts has been a huge let down, and is the one ready for the chop I believe. We were very, very poor as PDC said, and as he said we play 1 or 2 good games and a number of players just seem to switch off. I can see a few guys getting sold in Jan and a few more experienced guys coming in. Not sure how Jay got MOTM, I guess it was for the 1 good thing he did, in making up all that ground and getting in the last ditch tackle. Wasn't deserved tho. Ah well, Im sure we will bounce back on saturday, then we have a week off and everyone can recharge refocus and get us back* to our best. * I say back, however I dont think we have yet hit our best this season, and we are still in the top 8, so im optimistic! SeanG92

1:26pm Wed 21 Nov 12

sagadude says...

hertz wrote:
Keep the faith , I think everyone around us drew or lost , there is still nothing in it down to about 12th , we have a mid season break coming up after which Paolo will be awash with selection choices , let the others battle it out in the cup while we pick up the pace in the league .We are in good shape tucked behind the few at the half way turn . Can you see Tranmere and Stevenage lasting the pace ? COYR
No, but Coventry,Bournemouth
, Crawley,MKDons, Sheff Utd will all finish above STFC!
[quote][p][bold]hertz[/bold] wrote: Keep the faith , I think everyone around us drew or lost , there is still nothing in it down to about 12th , we have a mid season break coming up after which Paolo will be awash with selection choices , let the others battle it out in the cup while we pick up the pace in the league .We are in good shape tucked behind the few at the half way turn . Can you see Tranmere and Stevenage lasting the pace ? COYR[/p][/quote]No, but Coventry,Bournemouth , Crawley,MKDons, Sheff Utd will all finish above STFC! sagadude

1:29pm Wed 21 Nov 12

sagadude says...

sagadude wrote:
hertz wrote:
Keep the faith , I think everyone around us drew or lost , there is still nothing in it down to about 12th , we have a mid season break coming up after which Paolo will be awash with selection choices , let the others battle it out in the cup while we pick up the pace in the league .We are in good shape tucked behind the few at the half way turn . Can you see Tranmere and Stevenage lasting the pace ? COYR
No, but Coventry,Bournemouth

, Crawley,MKDons, Sheff Utd will all finish above STFC!
Along with Preston, Notts County and Brentford!

Players and PDC are both to blame.
[quote][p][bold]sagadude[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hertz[/bold] wrote: Keep the faith , I think everyone around us drew or lost , there is still nothing in it down to about 12th , we have a mid season break coming up after which Paolo will be awash with selection choices , let the others battle it out in the cup while we pick up the pace in the league .We are in good shape tucked behind the few at the half way turn . Can you see Tranmere and Stevenage lasting the pace ? COYR[/p][/quote]No, but Coventry,Bournemouth , Crawley,MKDons, Sheff Utd will all finish above STFC![/p][/quote]Along with Preston, Notts County and Brentford! Players and PDC are both to blame. sagadude

1:37pm Wed 21 Nov 12

umpcah says...

MITTED wrote:
southside7 wrote:
Does anyone know what Paolo actually means by tippy tappy? My understanding was when he came to the club was that he would play a good style of football and being Italian with their natural passing game I thought he'd stick to this. Is he for or against it?
He has explained this previously in greater detail: He doesn't like one touch football because unless you are barcelona, it can be light-weight and all too often give the ball away, especially to the likes of Brentford who only play to stop the opposition.

He wants players to control the ball, then pass to players who also make space, with purpose. Ball retention is much higher and it opens up defences (usually!).
COYR
"He wants players to control the ball, then pass to players who also make space, with purpose" . I was there last night and soon lost count of the mishit passes often to imaginary team-mates ! I know it was a sodden pitch but Brentford mastered it OK. and how Jay was voted MoM was beyond me.
[quote][p][bold]MITTED[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southside7[/bold] wrote: Does anyone know what Paolo actually means by tippy tappy? My understanding was when he came to the club was that he would play a good style of football and being Italian with their natural passing game I thought he'd stick to this. Is he for or against it?[/p][/quote]He has explained this previously in greater detail: He doesn't like one touch football because unless you are barcelona, it can be light-weight and all too often give the ball away, especially to the likes of Brentford who only play to stop the opposition. He wants players to control the ball, then pass to players who also make space, with purpose. Ball retention is much higher and it opens up defences (usually!). COYR[/p][/quote]"He wants players to control the ball, then pass to players who also make space, with purpose" . I was there last night and soon lost count of the mishit passes often to imaginary team-mates ! I know it was a sodden pitch but Brentford mastered it OK. and how Jay was voted MoM was beyond me. umpcah

1:47pm Wed 21 Nov 12

RamsburyRed says...

Well some interesting and mostly very pertinent comments on here. From my point of view, we should not be too suicidal but last night's game shows how hard it will be to get out of this league, and anyone who thinks we will win it should dream on - unless we get some serious new talent in January.
*
Although I don't like PDC commenting on players (at least he didn't name names), I sort of see what he means about mentality. We lack compusure at critical times and the knack of making the correct decision in the heat of battle (I recognise that it's a reasonable argument that he should instill this in his troops ... but there's only so much you can do).
*
I too am not sure why we go long so often. The fact that Wes never looks to pass to a defender suggests this is under instruction. But Ritchie (our shortest player) is the normal target and the only logic I can see there is that we might get a throw-in if their defender heads it into touch.
*
As to specifics, the first thing I must say is that Jay's mum must have been the man of the match adjudicator! Admittedly he did save what appeared a near-certain second Brentford goal with a great tackle, but generally his distribution and passing were very poor. And Roberts was very disappointing, this meant we had no threat on the left and that Ritchie (as usual) had to carry all our attacking hopes. He toiled hard, and I feel has been unfairly treated by one or two posters.
*
The centrebacks were fine, Ward especially, I thought Hollands showed some promise, Thompson had a good game but he is no Caddis (sorry for bringing this up again, but in my view Caddis is one of two or three players from last year's squad that I considered capable of playing at a hugher level).
*
Martin showed some nice touches too, but should of course have rescued a point for us at the end. If we keep missing those ....
*
I would be amazed if PDC is not looking for a left winger.
*
Some have suggested that Brentford were a limited team who just came to spoil the party - well they may have been a typical away side at times, but they were well organised and had plenty of quality and, frankly, they looked a better team than us, which is why I would put our current status as no higher than 'play-off hopefuls'.
Well some interesting and mostly very pertinent comments on here. From my point of view, we should not be too suicidal but last night's game shows how hard it will be to get out of this league, and anyone who thinks we will win it should dream on - unless we get some serious new talent in January. * Although I don't like PDC commenting on players (at least he didn't name names), I sort of see what he means about mentality. We lack compusure at critical times and the knack of making the correct decision in the heat of battle (I recognise that it's a reasonable argument that he should instill this in his troops ... but there's only so much you can do). * I too am not sure why we go long so often. The fact that Wes never looks to pass to a defender suggests this is under instruction. But Ritchie (our shortest player) is the normal target and the only logic I can see there is that we might get a throw-in if their defender heads it into touch. * As to specifics, the first thing I must say is that Jay's mum must have been the man of the match adjudicator! Admittedly he did save what appeared a near-certain second Brentford goal with a great tackle, but generally his distribution and passing were very poor. And Roberts was very disappointing, this meant we had no threat on the left and that Ritchie (as usual) had to carry all our attacking hopes. He toiled hard, and I feel has been unfairly treated by one or two posters. * The centrebacks were fine, Ward especially, I thought Hollands showed some promise, Thompson had a good game but he is no Caddis (sorry for bringing this up again, but in my view Caddis is one of two or three players from last year's squad that I considered capable of playing at a hugher level). * Martin showed some nice touches too, but should of course have rescued a point for us at the end. If we keep missing those .... * I would be amazed if PDC is not looking for a left winger. * Some have suggested that Brentford were a limited team who just came to spoil the party - well they may have been a typical away side at times, but they were well organised and had plenty of quality and, frankly, they looked a better team than us, which is why I would put our current status as no higher than 'play-off hopefuls'. RamsburyRed

2:01pm Wed 21 Nov 12

umpcah says...

" The fact that Wes never looks to pass to a defender suggests this is under instruction." . I think currently Wes just belts the ball upfield as hard as he can - assuming perhaps that the nearer to the opposing goal the more likely someone will score ?
" The fact that Wes never looks to pass to a defender suggests this is under instruction." . I think currently Wes just belts the ball upfield as hard as he can - assuming perhaps that the nearer to the opposing goal the more likely someone will score ? umpcah

2:16pm Wed 21 Nov 12

MITTED says...

umpcah wrote:
MITTED wrote:
southside7 wrote:
Does anyone know what Paolo actually means by tippy tappy? My understanding was when he came to the club was that he would play a good style of football and being Italian with their natural passing game I thought he'd stick to this. Is he for or against it?
He has explained this previously in greater detail: He doesn't like one touch football because unless you are barcelona, it can be light-weight and all too often give the ball away, especially to the likes of Brentford who only play to stop the opposition.

He wants players to control the ball, then pass to players who also make space, with purpose. Ball retention is much higher and it opens up defences (usually!).
COYR
"He wants players to control the ball, then pass to players who also make space, with purpose" . I was there last night and soon lost count of the mishit passes often to imaginary team-mates ! I know it was a sodden pitch but Brentford mastered it OK. and how Jay was voted MoM was beyond me.
I did say "usually"!
[quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MITTED[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southside7[/bold] wrote: Does anyone know what Paolo actually means by tippy tappy? My understanding was when he came to the club was that he would play a good style of football and being Italian with their natural passing game I thought he'd stick to this. Is he for or against it?[/p][/quote]He has explained this previously in greater detail: He doesn't like one touch football because unless you are barcelona, it can be light-weight and all too often give the ball away, especially to the likes of Brentford who only play to stop the opposition. He wants players to control the ball, then pass to players who also make space, with purpose. Ball retention is much higher and it opens up defences (usually!). COYR[/p][/quote]"He wants players to control the ball, then pass to players who also make space, with purpose" . I was there last night and soon lost count of the mishit passes often to imaginary team-mates ! I know it was a sodden pitch but Brentford mastered it OK. and how Jay was voted MoM was beyond me.[/p][/quote]I did say "usually"! MITTED

2:24pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Malkym says...

Stratton Red wrote:
dreamofacleansheet2 wrote: We do need to calm down a bit I think. We were clearly not at our best. It happens. All part of the learning experience for players and manager. At the end of the day we had more possession, more shots, more corners, less bookings, but we still managed to lose. The time to worry is when even not at our best we don't create any chances. Chin up ladies and gentleman, the day will only get better. As Frank Sinatra once said "I feel sorry for people that don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day." I feel sorry for those Town fans that permanently see the glass half empty and can never take anything positive. We're winning the league, get preparing that statue for Summer 2014....
Being realistic doesn't mean your glass is half empty. I do so hope you're right about wining the league but based on last night I think you need to shorten your name to dreamon...
Ha Ha nice one Stratton!! Yep I want some of what Dreamo is on because at the moment I think he's up there with the classic LR " we will not be relegated" posts that of course are now legendary ad part of EA forum folklore!
[quote][p][bold]Stratton Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dreamofacleansheet2[/bold] wrote: We do need to calm down a bit I think. We were clearly not at our best. It happens. All part of the learning experience for players and manager. At the end of the day we had more possession, more shots, more corners, less bookings, but we still managed to lose. The time to worry is when even not at our best we don't create any chances. Chin up ladies and gentleman, the day will only get better. As Frank Sinatra once said "I feel sorry for people that don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day." I feel sorry for those Town fans that permanently see the glass half empty and can never take anything positive. We're winning the league, get preparing that statue for Summer 2014....[/p][/quote]Being realistic doesn't mean your glass is half empty. I do so hope you're right about wining the league but based on last night I think you need to shorten your name to dreamon...[/p][/quote]Ha Ha nice one Stratton!! Yep I want some of what Dreamo is on because at the moment I think he's up there with the classic LR " we will not be relegated" posts that of course are now legendary ad part of EA forum folklore! Malkym

2:51pm Wed 21 Nov 12

smirg kcab says...

I can't understand why we put defenders up when we have corners because we need them right at the back when we lose the ball on these pathetic short corners. I blame J mac for this he runs for a short corner then can't cross a ball.
Also these players need to stop wearing illuminous coloured boots after they stand out more for being shiit.
If Paolo thinks Roberts is one of the best midfield players in league one, that's why we are losing so many games, he don't know nothing about this league.
I'm shocked no London red today telling me Collins will score 20 goals.
Onwards and upwards
I can't understand why we put defenders up when we have corners because we need them right at the back when we lose the ball on these pathetic short corners. I blame J mac for this he runs for a short corner then can't cross a ball. Also these players need to stop wearing illuminous coloured boots after they stand out more for being shiit. If Paolo thinks Roberts is one of the best midfield players in league one, that's why we are losing so many games, he don't know nothing about this league. I'm shocked no London red today telling me Collins will score 20 goals. Onwards and upwards smirg kcab

2:57pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Malkym says...

dreamofacleansheet2 wrote:
Stratton very good, liked that but I'll continue to dream.... If we play like last night every week we won't make the play-offs. I'm still going to contend that we won't play like that every week. Bostock only to be left out to keep price down to buy him January 1 and get him in Paolo please....
Dreams, Pewsham & Pdc does..etc, we all want Town to do well -we all want to win the league again like last year, but perhaps some of us are more realists than others and that doesn't mean to coin your phrase seeing things as permanently half empty.

There wasn't anybody around me in the DR last night who thought we are certs to walk this league or even make the play-offs based on that showing.

Comments like we only played like we did last night against Bees and Blades are simply just not true -we played in a similar vein against Macclesfield, Orient, Colchester, and Preston and deservedly lost as we did last night and all the comments like "we had far more shots than they did, their keeper had a blinder etc and we should have won" are irrevelant because we didn't take our chances and they did -simples. Also apart from Maccy they are seasoned L1 sides who know the ropes re L1 and that to win consistently you need to win ugly sometimes like they did against us if you like.

Ramsbury 's final paragraph sums up the situation perfectly from where I'm sat ->
Some have suggested that Brentford were a limited team who just came to spoil the party - well they may have been a typical away side at times, but they were well organised and had plenty of quality and, frankly, they looked a better team than us, which is why I would put our current status as no higher than 'play-off hopefuls'.

All is certainly not lost but certainly nothing is guranteed!.
[quote][p][bold]dreamofacleansheet2[/bold] wrote: Stratton very good, liked that but I'll continue to dream.... If we play like last night every week we won't make the play-offs. I'm still going to contend that we won't play like that every week. Bostock only to be left out to keep price down to buy him January 1 and get him in Paolo please....[/p][/quote]Dreams, Pewsham & Pdc does..etc, we all want Town to do well -we all want to win the league again like last year, but perhaps some of us are more realists than others and that doesn't mean to coin your phrase seeing things as permanently half empty. There wasn't anybody around me in the DR last night who thought we are certs to walk this league or even make the play-offs based on that showing. Comments like we only played like we did last night against Bees and Blades are simply just not true -we played in a similar vein against Macclesfield, Orient, Colchester, and Preston and deservedly lost as we did last night and all the comments like "we had far more shots than they did, their keeper had a blinder etc and we should have won" are irrevelant because we didn't take our chances and they did -simples. Also apart from Maccy they are seasoned L1 sides who know the ropes re L1 and that to win consistently you need to win ugly sometimes like they did against us if you like. Ramsbury 's final paragraph sums up the situation perfectly from where I'm sat -> Some have suggested that Brentford were a limited team who just came to spoil the party - well they may have been a typical away side at times, but they were well organised and had plenty of quality and, frankly, they looked a better team than us, which is why I would put our current status as no higher than 'play-off hopefuls'. All is certainly not lost but certainly nothing is guranteed!. Malkym

3:08pm Wed 21 Nov 12

hertz says...

Maxwell I will add another , when lining up for the free kicks our front line stands offside running onside when the ball is about to be kicked , we commented the other week how long it would take before the opposition simply ran out with them keeping them offside , what did Dougie do last night ? moved the defence up in a line leaving our forwards all offside in a line seemples . By the way I do think Benno would have scored that last minute header too . COYR
Maxwell I will add another , when lining up for the free kicks our front line stands offside running onside when the ball is about to be kicked , we commented the other week how long it would take before the opposition simply ran out with them keeping them offside , what did Dougie do last night ? moved the defence up in a line leaving our forwards all offside in a line seemples . By the way I do think Benno would have scored that last minute header too . COYR hertz

3:09pm Wed 21 Nov 12

FORZASTFC says...

umpcah wrote:
" The fact that Wes never looks to pass to a defender suggests this is under instruction." . I think currently Wes just belts the ball upfield as hard as he can - assuming perhaps that the nearer to the opposing goal the more likely someone will score ?
I would have to agree with you on that?
But to play out from the back we really need Macca there as we seemed to look much more comfortable playing out when he is playing, rather than hoofing it?
Sorry but i like Roberts, but i do agree that he isn't playing well at the moment as is Ritchie & a few more.
But C'mon guys we have just gone up, so we need to accept we will not win every game??? Have faith in Di Canio! He is doing a GREAT job. COYR
[quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote: " The fact that Wes never looks to pass to a defender suggests this is under instruction." . I think currently Wes just belts the ball upfield as hard as he can - assuming perhaps that the nearer to the opposing goal the more likely someone will score ?[/p][/quote]I would have to agree with you on that? But to play out from the back we really need Macca there as we seemed to look much more comfortable playing out when he is playing, rather than hoofing it? Sorry but i like Roberts, but i do agree that he isn't playing well at the moment as is Ritchie & a few more. But C'mon guys we have just gone up, so we need to accept we will not win every game??? Have faith in Di Canio! He is doing a GREAT job. COYR FORZASTFC

3:34pm Wed 21 Nov 12

smirg kcab says...

hertz wrote:
Maxwell I will add another , when lining up for the free kicks our front line stands offside running onside when the ball is about to be kicked , we commented the other week how long it would take before the opposition simply ran out with them keeping them offside , what did Dougie do last night ? moved the defence up in a line leaving our forwards all offside in a line seemples . By the way I do think Benno would have scored that last minute header too . COYR
I think I may have scored that header also and I have never played football.
[quote][p][bold]hertz[/bold] wrote: Maxwell I will add another , when lining up for the free kicks our front line stands offside running onside when the ball is about to be kicked , we commented the other week how long it would take before the opposition simply ran out with them keeping them offside , what did Dougie do last night ? moved the defence up in a line leaving our forwards all offside in a line seemples . By the way I do think Benno would have scored that last minute header too . COYR[/p][/quote]I think I may have scored that header also and I have never played football. smirg kcab

3:51pm Wed 21 Nov 12

dreamofacleansheet2 says...

Malky 6x is what I'm generally on. Never fails to do the trick. I take all your points that if we continue to play like that we won't even make the play offs. My point is I really believe in the manager and his methods and I don't think we'll continue to play like that.

My other point was that as poor as we were we could have easily as won as lost. I have at no point denegrated Brentford who were the best organised team I've seen. It's not pretty but I admire what Rossler did with a) playing Donaldson on the wing, and b) then moving him.

I am happy to risk ridicule in the a la London Red mode but I still think we have the squad and will win this league. I'm still relaxed as I still don't think we've seen our best 11 on the park this season together.

Ps I was only trying to have a bit of a luagh with Frank Sinatra and the half glass empty.
Malky 6x is what I'm generally on. Never fails to do the trick. I take all your points that if we continue to play like that we won't even make the play offs. My point is I really believe in the manager and his methods and I don't think we'll continue to play like that. My other point was that as poor as we were we could have easily as won as lost. I have at no point denegrated Brentford who were the best organised team I've seen. It's not pretty but I admire what Rossler did with a) playing Donaldson on the wing, and b) then moving him. I am happy to risk ridicule in the a la London Red mode but I still think we have the squad and will win this league. I'm still relaxed as I still don't think we've seen our best 11 on the park this season together. Ps I was only trying to have a bit of a luagh with Frank Sinatra and the half glass empty. dreamofacleansheet2

4:26pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Malkym says...

dreamofacleansheet2 wrote:
Malky 6x is what I'm generally on. Never fails to do the trick. I take all your points that if we continue to play like that we won't even make the play offs. My point is I really believe in the manager and his methods and I don't think we'll continue to play like that. My other point was that as poor as we were we could have easily as won as lost. I have at no point denegrated Brentford who were the best organised team I've seen. It's not pretty but I admire what Rossler did with a) playing Donaldson on the wing, and b) then moving him. I am happy to risk ridicule in the a la London Red mode but I still think we have the squad and will win this league. I'm still relaxed as I still don't think we've seen our best 11 on the park this season together. Ps I was only trying to have a bit of a luagh with Frank Sinatra and the half glass empty.
Dreamo - when it comes to having faith in Paolo I do too -in fact I've defended him staunchly recently on here - I also accept that we are suffering from injuries and yes to be fair with a little more rub of the green we could have won or drawn. No its not pretty but again I think we also have to be ugly sometimes to pick up points - I don't know how we do that and hoofball isn't the answer for sure. No danger of you remotely echoing LR - goodness he's a legend :) Agree about our best 11 though not sure what that might be? what would be yours?

And with the Rat Pack the glass was never half empty eh- that was the problem it was always full lol!
[quote][p][bold]dreamofacleansheet2[/bold] wrote: Malky 6x is what I'm generally on. Never fails to do the trick. I take all your points that if we continue to play like that we won't even make the play offs. My point is I really believe in the manager and his methods and I don't think we'll continue to play like that. My other point was that as poor as we were we could have easily as won as lost. I have at no point denegrated Brentford who were the best organised team I've seen. It's not pretty but I admire what Rossler did with a) playing Donaldson on the wing, and b) then moving him. I am happy to risk ridicule in the a la London Red mode but I still think we have the squad and will win this league. I'm still relaxed as I still don't think we've seen our best 11 on the park this season together. Ps I was only trying to have a bit of a luagh with Frank Sinatra and the half glass empty.[/p][/quote]Dreamo - when it comes to having faith in Paolo I do too -in fact I've defended him staunchly recently on here - I also accept that we are suffering from injuries and yes to be fair with a little more rub of the green we could have won or drawn. No its not pretty but again I think we also have to be ugly sometimes to pick up points - I don't know how we do that and hoofball isn't the answer for sure. No danger of you remotely echoing LR - goodness he's a legend :) Agree about our best 11 though not sure what that might be? what would be yours? And with the Rat Pack the glass was never half empty eh- that was the problem it was always full lol! Malkym

4:30pm Wed 21 Nov 12

HOOKEY says...

themoonraker wrote:
My goodness, we really an enigma of a team and the season is a real curates egg.
I would be interested on other posters thoughts about the following:
a) Has PDC bought good players or bad players?
b) If he has bought good players why do they perform so inconsistantly?
c) If the players are bad buys, how good is PDC'S judgement in the transfer/loan market?
d) Is PDC a motivator or does he rule by fear?
e) Is PDC a good tactician?,.if so why do we never appear to have a plan B ( let alone plan C or D)?
Personally,, I am becoming very frustrated hearing PDC constantly balme the players ( he bought/loaned them ! ).
I am also fed up of seeing other teams/managers outbattle and out-think us.
Yes PDC may blame the players, but it does appear at times that should a player deviate even a little bit from his master plan, then they are at best substuted and and worse put into his 'little black book' and shunned.
Am I alone in thinking that PDC has fogotten the all team sports need total togetherness....ther

e is no ' i ' in team !
Oh and before we go down the road of ''it not yet Xmas, give it time'' etc, etc, think back a while because that's a dangerous road to go down.
your spot on best quote on here well done
[quote][p][bold]themoonraker[/bold] wrote: My goodness, we really an enigma of a team and the season is a real curates egg. I would be interested on other posters thoughts about the following: a) Has PDC bought good players or bad players? b) If he has bought good players why do they perform so inconsistantly? c) If the players are bad buys, how good is PDC'S judgement in the transfer/loan market? d) Is PDC a motivator or does he rule by fear? e) Is PDC a good tactician?,.if so why do we never appear to have a plan B ( let alone plan C or D)? Personally,, I am becoming very frustrated hearing PDC constantly balme the players ( he bought/loaned them ! ). I am also fed up of seeing other teams/managers outbattle and out-think us. Yes PDC may blame the players, but it does appear at times that should a player deviate even a little bit from his master plan, then they are at best substuted and and worse put into his 'little black book' and shunned. Am I alone in thinking that PDC has fogotten the all team sports need total togetherness....ther e is no ' i ' in team ! Oh and before we go down the road of ''it not yet Xmas, give it time'' etc, etc, think back a while because that's a dangerous road to go down.[/p][/quote]your spot on best quote on here well done HOOKEY

4:58pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Swindon1984 says...

Really need to get a good run going as although no-one seems to be running away with it as yet, we will start to drift off if we have a run of mediocre or poor results. Can't see us getting more than a point from Saturday (although obviously hope for more and could be wrong) and that would see us outside the top six again more than likely. Early-ish days yet but need to start playing to our potential consistently.
Really need to get a good run going as although no-one seems to be running away with it as yet, we will start to drift off if we have a run of mediocre or poor results. Can't see us getting more than a point from Saturday (although obviously hope for more and could be wrong) and that would see us outside the top six again more than likely. Early-ish days yet but need to start playing to our potential consistently. Swindon1984

4:59pm Wed 21 Nov 12

dreamofacleansheet2 says...

Malky not that Paolo will ever play the same team for the last ten games in a row but assuming we have the players here on loan I'm going to stick my neck out and go think we'll finish strongly with:

Super Sir Wes
Nathan Macca Troy Jay
Ritchie Ferry Bostock Raffa
Martin Williams

I know there will be consternation in the ranks but I thought Troy looked a mighty player in the first three games of the season. Before everyone jumps on me I'm well aware he hasn't been since but it's just a hunch I have. Just like we'll win the league! (tin hat on, deep down ion my bunker, expecting a lot of in coming fire tonight).......
Malky not that Paolo will ever play the same team for the last ten games in a row but assuming we have the players here on loan I'm going to stick my neck out and go think we'll finish strongly with: Super Sir Wes Nathan Macca Troy Jay Ritchie Ferry Bostock Raffa Martin Williams I know there will be consternation in the ranks but I thought Troy looked a mighty player in the first three games of the season. Before everyone jumps on me I'm well aware he hasn't been since but it's just a hunch I have. Just like we'll win the league! (tin hat on, deep down ion my bunker, expecting a lot of in coming fire tonight)....... dreamofacleansheet2

5:07pm Wed 21 Nov 12

abbotboy says...

hasnt Chelsea who won the championship cup last season, for bad results, so why is pdc still there, every time he gets in a tight fix he claims he need more loan players, but the ones he brought to the club cant fit the bill.. look at the table, one or two more losses and well be down in the bottom six.....
hasnt Chelsea who won the championship cup last season, for bad results, so why is pdc still there, every time he gets in a tight fix he claims he need more loan players, but the ones he brought to the club cant fit the bill.. look at the table, one or two more losses and well be down in the bottom six..... abbotboy

5:23pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Malkym says...

dreamofacleansheet2 wrote:
Malky not that Paolo will ever play the same team for the last ten games in a row but assuming we have the players here on loan I'm going to stick my neck out and go think we'll finish strongly with: Super Sir Wes Nathan Macca Troy Jay Ritchie Ferry Bostock Raffa Martin Williams I know there will be consternation in the ranks but I thought Troy looked a mighty player in the first three games of the season. Before everyone jumps on me I'm well aware he hasn't been since but it's just a hunch I have. Just like we'll win the league! (tin hat on, deep down ion my bunker, expecting a lot of in coming fire tonight).......
Lol! thats why I asked you to " Name that team!!"

I'd deviate - Flint for TAH (don't have your faith there) and I right try Devera at LB - Jay worries me! after all that was a cracking run and cross from JD from the left for Collins to score against Yeovil.

OK like you - kevlar suit on- tin hat & night vision goggles affixed!

Missiles incoming sir"!
[quote][p][bold]dreamofacleansheet2[/bold] wrote: Malky not that Paolo will ever play the same team for the last ten games in a row but assuming we have the players here on loan I'm going to stick my neck out and go think we'll finish strongly with: Super Sir Wes Nathan Macca Troy Jay Ritchie Ferry Bostock Raffa Martin Williams I know there will be consternation in the ranks but I thought Troy looked a mighty player in the first three games of the season. Before everyone jumps on me I'm well aware he hasn't been since but it's just a hunch I have. Just like we'll win the league! (tin hat on, deep down ion my bunker, expecting a lot of in coming fire tonight).......[/p][/quote]Lol! thats why I asked you to " Name that team!!" I'd deviate - Flint for TAH (don't have your faith there) and I right try Devera at LB - Jay worries me! after all that was a cracking run and cross from JD from the left for Collins to score against Yeovil. OK like you - kevlar suit on- tin hat & night vision goggles affixed! Missiles incoming sir"! Malkym

5:25pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Malkym says...

S/b "and I might try" of course.
S/b "and I might try" of course. Malkym

5:42pm Wed 21 Nov 12

dreamofacleansheet2 says...

Malky Jay gets a hard time, people forget his great cross last night and a magnificent ball from a free kick on half way line out to Ritchie in the first half last night. They also forget he doesn't get any help from Roberts defensively.

If I was an opposing manager that's where I'd get at. But then I'd play Raffa who would help out!

I totally understand you not sharing my faith in Troy but I felt he read the game really well, had time on the ball and was very good defensively. He then played a couple of games where we as a team were atrocious and then out of position.

Time will of course tell and if we all "knew" what would happen none of us would have to work. Mind you I'm hoping us winning the league softens the bank balance next May....
Malky Jay gets a hard time, people forget his great cross last night and a magnificent ball from a free kick on half way line out to Ritchie in the first half last night. They also forget he doesn't get any help from Roberts defensively. If I was an opposing manager that's where I'd get at. But then I'd play Raffa who would help out! I totally understand you not sharing my faith in Troy but I felt he read the game really well, had time on the ball and was very good defensively. He then played a couple of games where we as a team were atrocious and then out of position. Time will of course tell and if we all "knew" what would happen none of us would have to work. Mind you I'm hoping us winning the league softens the bank balance next May.... dreamofacleansheet2

5:47pm Wed 21 Nov 12

DarrenSTFCRomain says...

I have a question..
WHY was Bostock only sub last night..
I have a question.. WHY was Bostock only sub last night.. DarrenSTFCRomain

6:29pm Wed 21 Nov 12

jayden says...

dreamofacleansheet2 wrote:
Malky Jay gets a hard time, people forget his great cross last night and a magnificent ball from a free kick on half way line out to Ritchie in the first half last night. They also forget he doesn't get any help from Roberts defensively.

If I was an opposing manager that's where I'd get at. But then I'd play Raffa who would help out!

I totally understand you not sharing my faith in Troy but I felt he read the game really well, had time on the ball and was very good defensively. He then played a couple of games where we as a team were atrocious and then out of position.

Time will of course tell and if we all "knew" what would happen none of us would have to work. Mind you I'm hoping us winning the league softens the bank balance next May....
Jay has put in some allfull crosses this season ,high wide and on to the stratton bank but not last night.note to collins attack the front post or back dosent matter either will do dont just stand with their center half as at least 3 crosses by J mac went across the 6 yard box.Also if Jmac had not got across and tackled their player had a one on one with wes.Jmac did get away with 4 foul throws in the second half one was realy bad. Collins will never be quick but needs to be quicker in thought and sharper in the box (GAMBLE)
[quote][p][bold]dreamofacleansheet2[/bold] wrote: Malky Jay gets a hard time, people forget his great cross last night and a magnificent ball from a free kick on half way line out to Ritchie in the first half last night. They also forget he doesn't get any help from Roberts defensively. If I was an opposing manager that's where I'd get at. But then I'd play Raffa who would help out! I totally understand you not sharing my faith in Troy but I felt he read the game really well, had time on the ball and was very good defensively. He then played a couple of games where we as a team were atrocious and then out of position. Time will of course tell and if we all "knew" what would happen none of us would have to work. Mind you I'm hoping us winning the league softens the bank balance next May....[/p][/quote]Jay has put in some allfull crosses this season ,high wide and on to the stratton bank but not last night.note to collins attack the front post or back dosent matter either will do dont just stand with their center half as at least 3 crosses by J mac went across the 6 yard box.Also if Jmac had not got across and tackled their player had a one on one with wes.Jmac did get away with 4 foul throws in the second half one was realy bad. Collins will never be quick but needs to be quicker in thought and sharper in the box (GAMBLE) jayden

6:42pm Wed 21 Nov 12

TelSTFC says...

fss2012 wrote:
Whilst the players are not exempt by any stretch from our results at home, Im still staggered how a self proclaimed "top" manager is continuing to make the same errors in home fixtures. Yet again we succumb to a smash and grab from a team that flood the midfield, to which we have no response. If his preferred formation is 4-4-2 then so be it. However, there must be a contingency on how we can change the dynamics of the team when a 4-4-2 doesn't work. When we play at home, the emphasis is on us to go and make things happen, however we are showing that all too often we are not good enough to do this, enough of the time, against teams that pack the midfield. I for one feel that we don't move the ball quick enough, we don't spread the play quick enough and the movement of players with and without the ball is too static. Furthermore, Robbo and Ritchie don't provide enough width to the team, whether that be of there of choosing during a game, or because they are being drawn infield to deal with us being over ran in the central areas or because we are not feeding them the ball quick enough becuase we are out numbered. PDC must recognise in games (especially @ home), where there is a need to perhaps match a team in midfield with 5 as well and give us a fighting chance of (1) keeping the ball better, (2) winning the ball back quicker as we can match them for numbers. This could help lessen the need for Robbo and Ritchie to tuck in so much as there wont be the need. This will then not only allow us to be more competitive centrally but help stretch the opposition by having players provide that much needed width. You only have to look at last nights game, were ferry and hollands really going to out pass, out compete and have the upper hand of the Brentford 3?!! the answer is no... that's not a criticism of them, but they as a pair are not better than Brentford's trio... Its no coincidence we beat Yeovil comfortably or that we are doing well away from home. In these games, the opponents are far more open in their approach to the game and as a result, it opens the game up more and allows us space for us to move into and attack and as a result we are getting more wins. Last season @ home we faced teams that took the same approach as this season, however the telling difference is the quality we now face, even against the likes of Orient and Colchester. I know talk is easy from the stands, but so is PDC constantly drawing the distinction between him and his players when we lose... if we win its them (manager and team) that have won, but if we lose, its them (players alone) that have lost because of xyz... Whilst our performances are proving to be indifferent which of course the players are jointly accountable for, the manager needs to recognise that at this moment in time @ home games, more often or not he is showing a lack of vision and displaying at times his tactical inept in not being able to try and change the dynamics of our game when needed.
Best post on here fss2012.

We all love what Paolo has done and his passion & commitment but why change the midfield.

Bostock & Ferry worked well against Yeovil, Paolo should of kept the same squad apart from Williams of course and if this wasn't working then change 2nd half.

It was a long trip back to Old Portsmouth for me last night & such a difference from the performance on Saturday. We are still in a great position though but i think the squad tinkering is too much.
[quote][p][bold]fss2012[/bold] wrote: Whilst the players are not exempt by any stretch from our results at home, Im still staggered how a self proclaimed "top" manager is continuing to make the same errors in home fixtures. Yet again we succumb to a smash and grab from a team that flood the midfield, to which we have no response. If his preferred formation is 4-4-2 then so be it. However, there must be a contingency on how we can change the dynamics of the team when a 4-4-2 doesn't work. When we play at home, the emphasis is on us to go and make things happen, however we are showing that all too often we are not good enough to do this, enough of the time, against teams that pack the midfield. I for one feel that we don't move the ball quick enough, we don't spread the play quick enough and the movement of players with and without the ball is too static. Furthermore, Robbo and Ritchie don't provide enough width to the team, whether that be of there of choosing during a game, or because they are being drawn infield to deal with us being over ran in the central areas or because we are not feeding them the ball quick enough becuase we are out numbered. PDC must recognise in games (especially @ home), where there is a need to perhaps match a team in midfield with 5 as well and give us a fighting chance of (1) keeping the ball better, (2) winning the ball back quicker as we can match them for numbers. This could help lessen the need for Robbo and Ritchie to tuck in so much as there wont be the need. This will then not only allow us to be more competitive centrally but help stretch the opposition by having players provide that much needed width. You only have to look at last nights game, were ferry and hollands really going to out pass, out compete and have the upper hand of the Brentford 3?!! the answer is no... that's not a criticism of them, but they as a pair are not better than Brentford's trio... Its no coincidence we beat Yeovil comfortably or that we are doing well away from home. In these games, the opponents are far more open in their approach to the game and as a result, it opens the game up more and allows us space for us to move into and attack and as a result we are getting more wins. Last season @ home we faced teams that took the same approach as this season, however the telling difference is the quality we now face, even against the likes of Orient and Colchester. I know talk is easy from the stands, but so is PDC constantly drawing the distinction between him and his players when we lose... if we win its them (manager and team) that have won, but if we lose, its them (players alone) that have lost because of xyz... Whilst our performances are proving to be indifferent which of course the players are jointly accountable for, the manager needs to recognise that at this moment in time @ home games, more often or not he is showing a lack of vision and displaying at times his tactical inept in not being able to try and change the dynamics of our game when needed.[/p][/quote]Best post on here fss2012. We all love what Paolo has done and his passion & commitment but why change the midfield. Bostock & Ferry worked well against Yeovil, Paolo should of kept the same squad apart from Williams of course and if this wasn't working then change 2nd half. It was a long trip back to Old Portsmouth for me last night & such a difference from the performance on Saturday. We are still in a great position though but i think the squad tinkering is too much. TelSTFC

8:02pm Wed 21 Nov 12

supersaver says...

ok Williams was out but otherwise keep the same team that performed so well on Saturday.

When was the last time we fielded the same team.

When we won promotion under Ossie am I right in thinking we had a run of 15 games with the same team?
ok Williams was out but otherwise keep the same team that performed so well on Saturday. When was the last time we fielded the same team. When we won promotion under Ossie am I right in thinking we had a run of 15 games with the same team? supersaver

9:35pm Wed 21 Nov 12

joey butler says...

the wizard wrote:
Cutting to the chase, our best period of play was when we played football on the ground towards the end of the first half. We passed and stroked the ball around in their half of the park and on reflection thought we were unlucky not to score from the number of corners and chances we had. Playing the ball on the ground the players linked up and passed well.

This was all promising, then then second half flippin' hoof here there everywhere. A totally useless tactic we have tried before and again failed at. They have two tall centre backs who were going to win the ball every time, so what do we do, substitute motor man Ferry who is our best play maker in the middle of the park. Useless. You take off the one man who is going to make the difference. Hollands was out on his feet at the end of the first half, he should have been the first to get subbed, but how is the manager going to see that when he spends most of the time with his back to the play.
No Paolo, when we play the ball we play it well, call it what you like but most people prefer tippy tappy to hoof ball, because while we have possession the other team cannot score, simple as that. You need some better tactics that can break down other teams. You cannot keep blaming players all the time. Hoof ball tactics do not win games for us. If we are guilty of anything right now its lack of tactical awareness and ability to adapt, and that comes from the bench, so its down to you Mr Premiership Manager to sort it out, if you have3 the ability, desire and passion to do so, you know, the same qualities you demand of your players, or is you mind a bit blurrey.
While I appreciate that Wizard's above post was much earlier in the day, I have to agree with him. One of the very best posts on here today and I have just read them all.

Well done Wizard, credit where it is due.

I must say however, that many of the posts today are similarly very long and having had the courtesy to read all of them, I think I need to find my Ben Hur DVD to relax!!!
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: Cutting to the chase, our best period of play was when we played football on the ground towards the end of the first half. We passed and stroked the ball around in their half of the park and on reflection thought we were unlucky not to score from the number of corners and chances we had. Playing the ball on the ground the players linked up and passed well. This was all promising, then then second half flippin' hoof here there everywhere. A totally useless tactic we have tried before and again failed at. They have two tall centre backs who were going to win the ball every time, so what do we do, substitute motor man Ferry who is our best play maker in the middle of the park. Useless. You take off the one man who is going to make the difference. Hollands was out on his feet at the end of the first half, he should have been the first to get subbed, but how is the manager going to see that when he spends most of the time with his back to the play. No Paolo, when we play the ball we play it well, call it what you like but most people prefer tippy tappy to hoof ball, because while we have possession the other team cannot score, simple as that. You need some better tactics that can break down other teams. You cannot keep blaming players all the time. Hoof ball tactics do not win games for us. If we are guilty of anything right now its lack of tactical awareness and ability to adapt, and that comes from the bench, so its down to you Mr Premiership Manager to sort it out, if you have3 the ability, desire and passion to do so, you know, the same qualities you demand of your players, or is you mind a bit blurrey.[/p][/quote]While I appreciate that Wizard's above post was much earlier in the day, I have to agree with him. One of the very best posts on here today and I have just read them all. Well done Wizard, credit where it is due. I must say however, that many of the posts today are similarly very long and having had the courtesy to read all of them, I think I need to find my Ben Hur DVD to relax!!! joey butler

9:40pm Wed 21 Nov 12

joey butler says...

dreamofacleansheet2 wrote:
We do need to calm down a bit I think. We were clearly not at our best. It happens. All part of the learning experience for players and manager.

At the end of the day we had more possession, more shots, more corners, less bookings, but we still managed to lose.

The time to worry is when even not at our best we don't create any chances. Chin up ladies and gentleman, the day will only get better. As Frank Sinatra once said "I feel sorry for people that don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day."

I feel sorry for those Town fans that permanently see the glass half empty and can never take anything positive.

We're winning the league, get preparing that statue for Summer 2014....
I agree with you about the statue Dreamo, which is long overdue.

However, I regret to advise you that the statue will certainly not be of PDC in 2014, however Colin Calderwood is a much more likely candidate!!
[quote][p][bold]dreamofacleansheet2[/bold] wrote: We do need to calm down a bit I think. We were clearly not at our best. It happens. All part of the learning experience for players and manager. At the end of the day we had more possession, more shots, more corners, less bookings, but we still managed to lose. The time to worry is when even not at our best we don't create any chances. Chin up ladies and gentleman, the day will only get better. As Frank Sinatra once said "I feel sorry for people that don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day." I feel sorry for those Town fans that permanently see the glass half empty and can never take anything positive. We're winning the league, get preparing that statue for Summer 2014....[/p][/quote]I agree with you about the statue Dreamo, which is long overdue. However, I regret to advise you that the statue will certainly not be of PDC in 2014, however Colin Calderwood is a much more likely candidate!! joey butler

9:50pm Wed 21 Nov 12

bongiaz says...

the wizard wrote:
Cutting to the chase, our best period of play was when we played football on the ground towards the end of the first half. We passed and stroked the ball around in their half of the park and on reflection thought we were unlucky not to score from the number of corners and chances we had. Playing the ball on the ground the players linked up and passed well.

This was all promising, then then second half flippin' hoof here there everywhere. A totally useless tactic we have tried before and again failed at. They have two tall centre backs who were going to win the ball every time, so what do we do, substitute motor man Ferry who is our best play maker in the middle of the park. Useless. You take off the one man who is going to make the difference. Hollands was out on his feet at the end of the first half, he should have been the first to get subbed, but how is the manager going to see that when he spends most of the time with his back to the play.
No Paolo, when we play the ball we play it well, call it what you like but most people prefer tippy tappy to hoof ball, because while we have possession the other team cannot score, simple as that. You need some better tactics that can break down other teams. You cannot keep blaming players all the time. Hoof ball tactics do not win games for us. If we are guilty of anything right now its lack of tactical awareness and ability to adapt, and that comes from the bench, so its down to you Mr Premiership Manager to sort it out, if you have3 the ability, desire and passion to do so, you know, the same qualities you demand of your players, or is you mind a bit blurrey.
Agree with some of your comments however not regarding Ferry he got smashed by Douglas in the first half and was totally inept after that. I for one cannot blame PDC..he has a talented group of players who once that white line is crossed are responsible for their own performances..thats why teams have Captains who should be the voice of the Manager on the pitch. We had too many players who had a very bad day at the office and that included Roberts, Ferry, and Thompson. I'm not in that changing room so how can you assume PDC tells his players to hoof that ball, I for one do not believe that to be the case especially when you see his frustrations on the line when our boys are not even able to instantly control a ball...Storey last night was a prime example. I forecast a win Saturday against Notts County as Macca will be back in place of Thompson and maybe the Trolls on this site can crawl back under their Stones!
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: Cutting to the chase, our best period of play was when we played football on the ground towards the end of the first half. We passed and stroked the ball around in their half of the park and on reflection thought we were unlucky not to score from the number of corners and chances we had. Playing the ball on the ground the players linked up and passed well. This was all promising, then then second half flippin' hoof here there everywhere. A totally useless tactic we have tried before and again failed at. They have two tall centre backs who were going to win the ball every time, so what do we do, substitute motor man Ferry who is our best play maker in the middle of the park. Useless. You take off the one man who is going to make the difference. Hollands was out on his feet at the end of the first half, he should have been the first to get subbed, but how is the manager going to see that when he spends most of the time with his back to the play. No Paolo, when we play the ball we play it well, call it what you like but most people prefer tippy tappy to hoof ball, because while we have possession the other team cannot score, simple as that. You need some better tactics that can break down other teams. You cannot keep blaming players all the time. Hoof ball tactics do not win games for us. If we are guilty of anything right now its lack of tactical awareness and ability to adapt, and that comes from the bench, so its down to you Mr Premiership Manager to sort it out, if you have3 the ability, desire and passion to do so, you know, the same qualities you demand of your players, or is you mind a bit blurrey.[/p][/quote]Agree with some of your comments however not regarding Ferry he got smashed by Douglas in the first half and was totally inept after that. I for one cannot blame PDC..he has a talented group of players who once that white line is crossed are responsible for their own performances..thats why teams have Captains who should be the voice of the Manager on the pitch. We had too many players who had a very bad day at the office and that included Roberts, Ferry, and Thompson. I'm not in that changing room so how can you assume PDC tells his players to hoof that ball, I for one do not believe that to be the case especially when you see his frustrations on the line when our boys are not even able to instantly control a ball...Storey last night was a prime example. I forecast a win Saturday against Notts County as Macca will be back in place of Thompson and maybe the Trolls on this site can crawl back under their Stones! bongiaz

9:55pm Wed 21 Nov 12

joey butler says...

bongiaz wrote:
the wizard wrote:
Cutting to the chase, our best period of play was when we played football on the ground towards the end of the first half. We passed and stroked the ball around in their half of the park and on reflection thought we were unlucky not to score from the number of corners and chances we had. Playing the ball on the ground the players linked up and passed well.

This was all promising, then then second half flippin' hoof here there everywhere. A totally useless tactic we have tried before and again failed at. They have two tall centre backs who were going to win the ball every time, so what do we do, substitute motor man Ferry who is our best play maker in the middle of the park. Useless. You take off the one man who is going to make the difference. Hollands was out on his feet at the end of the first half, he should have been the first to get subbed, but how is the manager going to see that when he spends most of the time with his back to the play.
No Paolo, when we play the ball we play it well, call it what you like but most people prefer tippy tappy to hoof ball, because while we have possession the other team cannot score, simple as that. You need some better tactics that can break down other teams. You cannot keep blaming players all the time. Hoof ball tactics do not win games for us. If we are guilty of anything right now its lack of tactical awareness and ability to adapt, and that comes from the bench, so its down to you Mr Premiership Manager to sort it out, if you have3 the ability, desire and passion to do so, you know, the same qualities you demand of your players, or is you mind a bit blurrey.
Agree with some of your comments however not regarding Ferry he got smashed by Douglas in the first half and was totally inept after that. I for one cannot blame PDC..he has a talented group of players who once that white line is crossed are responsible for their own performances..thats why teams have Captains who should be the voice of the Manager on the pitch. We had too many players who had a very bad day at the office and that included Roberts, Ferry, and Thompson. I'm not in that changing room so how can you assume PDC tells his players to hoof that ball, I for one do not believe that to be the case especially when you see his frustrations on the line when our boys are not even able to instantly control a ball...Storey last night was a prime example. I forecast a win Saturday against Notts County as Macca will be back in place of Thompson and maybe the Trolls on this site can crawl back under their Stones!
And Happy Christmas to you too, Bongiaz, whatever on earth your name means!!!
[quote][p][bold]bongiaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: Cutting to the chase, our best period of play was when we played football on the ground towards the end of the first half. We passed and stroked the ball around in their half of the park and on reflection thought we were unlucky not to score from the number of corners and chances we had. Playing the ball on the ground the players linked up and passed well. This was all promising, then then second half flippin' hoof here there everywhere. A totally useless tactic we have tried before and again failed at. They have two tall centre backs who were going to win the ball every time, so what do we do, substitute motor man Ferry who is our best play maker in the middle of the park. Useless. You take off the one man who is going to make the difference. Hollands was out on his feet at the end of the first half, he should have been the first to get subbed, but how is the manager going to see that when he spends most of the time with his back to the play. No Paolo, when we play the ball we play it well, call it what you like but most people prefer tippy tappy to hoof ball, because while we have possession the other team cannot score, simple as that. You need some better tactics that can break down other teams. You cannot keep blaming players all the time. Hoof ball tactics do not win games for us. If we are guilty of anything right now its lack of tactical awareness and ability to adapt, and that comes from the bench, so its down to you Mr Premiership Manager to sort it out, if you have3 the ability, desire and passion to do so, you know, the same qualities you demand of your players, or is you mind a bit blurrey.[/p][/quote]Agree with some of your comments however not regarding Ferry he got smashed by Douglas in the first half and was totally inept after that. I for one cannot blame PDC..he has a talented group of players who once that white line is crossed are responsible for their own performances..thats why teams have Captains who should be the voice of the Manager on the pitch. We had too many players who had a very bad day at the office and that included Roberts, Ferry, and Thompson. I'm not in that changing room so how can you assume PDC tells his players to hoof that ball, I for one do not believe that to be the case especially when you see his frustrations on the line when our boys are not even able to instantly control a ball...Storey last night was a prime example. I forecast a win Saturday against Notts County as Macca will be back in place of Thompson and maybe the Trolls on this site can crawl back under their Stones![/p][/quote]And Happy Christmas to you too, Bongiaz, whatever on earth your name means!!! joey butler

9:59pm Wed 21 Nov 12

bongiaz says...

joey butler wrote:
bongiaz wrote:
the wizard wrote:
Cutting to the chase, our best period of play was when we played football on the ground towards the end of the first half. We passed and stroked the ball around in their half of the park and on reflection thought we were unlucky not to score from the number of corners and chances we had. Playing the ball on the ground the players linked up and passed well.

This was all promising, then then second half flippin' hoof here there everywhere. A totally useless tactic we have tried before and again failed at. They have two tall centre backs who were going to win the ball every time, so what do we do, substitute motor man Ferry who is our best play maker in the middle of the park. Useless. You take off the one man who is going to make the difference. Hollands was out on his feet at the end of the first half, he should have been the first to get subbed, but how is the manager going to see that when he spends most of the time with his back to the play.
No Paolo, when we play the ball we play it well, call it what you like but most people prefer tippy tappy to hoof ball, because while we have possession the other team cannot score, simple as that. You need some better tactics that can break down other teams. You cannot keep blaming players all the time. Hoof ball tactics do not win games for us. If we are guilty of anything right now its lack of tactical awareness and ability to adapt, and that comes from the bench, so its down to you Mr Premiership Manager to sort it out, if you have3 the ability, desire and passion to do so, you know, the same qualities you demand of your players, or is you mind a bit blurrey.
Agree with some of your comments however not regarding Ferry he got smashed by Douglas in the first half and was totally inept after that. I for one cannot blame PDC..he has a talented group of players who once that white line is crossed are responsible for their own performances..thats why teams have Captains who should be the voice of the Manager on the pitch. We had too many players who had a very bad day at the office and that included Roberts, Ferry, and Thompson. I'm not in that changing room so how can you assume PDC tells his players to hoof that ball, I for one do not believe that to be the case especially when you see his frustrations on the line when our boys are not even able to instantly control a ball...Storey last night was a prime example. I forecast a win Saturday against Notts County as Macca will be back in place of Thompson and maybe the Trolls on this site can crawl back under their Stones!
And Happy Christmas to you too, Bongiaz, whatever on earth your name means!!!
And a merry Christmas to you...this was a nick name used by my team mates 30 years ago when I was a fit young footballer...not sure where they got it from and cant remember why?
[quote][p][bold]joey butler[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bongiaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: Cutting to the chase, our best period of play was when we played football on the ground towards the end of the first half. We passed and stroked the ball around in their half of the park and on reflection thought we were unlucky not to score from the number of corners and chances we had. Playing the ball on the ground the players linked up and passed well. This was all promising, then then second half flippin' hoof here there everywhere. A totally useless tactic we have tried before and again failed at. They have two tall centre backs who were going to win the ball every time, so what do we do, substitute motor man Ferry who is our best play maker in the middle of the park. Useless. You take off the one man who is going to make the difference. Hollands was out on his feet at the end of the first half, he should have been the first to get subbed, but how is the manager going to see that when he spends most of the time with his back to the play. No Paolo, when we play the ball we play it well, call it what you like but most people prefer tippy tappy to hoof ball, because while we have possession the other team cannot score, simple as that. You need some better tactics that can break down other teams. You cannot keep blaming players all the time. Hoof ball tactics do not win games for us. If we are guilty of anything right now its lack of tactical awareness and ability to adapt, and that comes from the bench, so its down to you Mr Premiership Manager to sort it out, if you have3 the ability, desire and passion to do so, you know, the same qualities you demand of your players, or is you mind a bit blurrey.[/p][/quote]Agree with some of your comments however not regarding Ferry he got smashed by Douglas in the first half and was totally inept after that. I for one cannot blame PDC..he has a talented group of players who once that white line is crossed are responsible for their own performances..thats why teams have Captains who should be the voice of the Manager on the pitch. We had too many players who had a very bad day at the office and that included Roberts, Ferry, and Thompson. I'm not in that changing room so how can you assume PDC tells his players to hoof that ball, I for one do not believe that to be the case especially when you see his frustrations on the line when our boys are not even able to instantly control a ball...Storey last night was a prime example. I forecast a win Saturday against Notts County as Macca will be back in place of Thompson and maybe the Trolls on this site can crawl back under their Stones![/p][/quote]And Happy Christmas to you too, Bongiaz, whatever on earth your name means!!![/p][/quote]And a merry Christmas to you...this was a nick name used by my team mates 30 years ago when I was a fit young footballer...not sure where they got it from and cant remember why? bongiaz

10:17pm Wed 21 Nov 12

bongiaz says...

Stratton Red wrote:
dreamofacleansheet2 wrote:
We do need to calm down a bit I think. We were clearly not at our best. It happens. All part of the learning experience for players and manager. At the end of the day we had more possession, more shots, more corners, less bookings, but we still managed to lose. The time to worry is when even not at our best we don't create any chances. Chin up ladies and gentleman, the day will only get better. As Frank Sinatra once said "I feel sorry for people that don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day." I feel sorry for those Town fans that permanently see the glass half empty and can never take anything positive. We're winning the league, get preparing that statue for Summer 2014....
Being realistic doesn't mean your glass is half empty. I do so hope you're right about wining the league but based on last night I think you need to shorten your name to dreamon...
I agree with Dream...we are 6 points behind the leaders in a better position than we were last season and not playin really that well...God help the other teams when we get a run going...we will walk this league...hows that for a the glass is half full sort of guy!
[quote][p][bold]Stratton Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dreamofacleansheet2[/bold] wrote: We do need to calm down a bit I think. We were clearly not at our best. It happens. All part of the learning experience for players and manager. At the end of the day we had more possession, more shots, more corners, less bookings, but we still managed to lose. The time to worry is when even not at our best we don't create any chances. Chin up ladies and gentleman, the day will only get better. As Frank Sinatra once said "I feel sorry for people that don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day." I feel sorry for those Town fans that permanently see the glass half empty and can never take anything positive. We're winning the league, get preparing that statue for Summer 2014....[/p][/quote]Being realistic doesn't mean your glass is half empty. I do so hope you're right about wining the league but based on last night I think you need to shorten your name to dreamon...[/p][/quote]I agree with Dream...we are 6 points behind the leaders in a better position than we were last season and not playin really that well...God help the other teams when we get a run going...we will walk this league...hows that for a the glass is half full sort of guy! bongiaz

10:26pm Wed 21 Nov 12

bongiaz says...

The following is a quote after the match from Bees boss Rosler.....He said: “I saw Swindon against Sheffield United and Yeovil, and the intensity they've shown in those games has been Championship standard."...He obviously did his homework against us espcially the 2nd half and was lucky that we also had an off day! Lets support team nd thats through thick and thin....we also need to be patient and we will win this league....COYR's!!!
The following is a quote after the match from Bees boss Rosler.....He said: “I saw Swindon against Sheffield United and Yeovil, and the intensity they've shown in those games has been Championship standard."...He obviously did his homework against us espcially the 2nd half and was lucky that we also had an off day! Lets support team nd thats through thick and thin....we also need to be patient and we will win this league....COYR's!!! bongiaz

10:35pm Wed 21 Nov 12

mancrobin says...

HOOKEY wrote:
themoonraker wrote:
My goodness, we really an enigma of a team and the season is a real curates egg.
I would be interested on other posters thoughts about the following:
a) Has PDC bought good players or bad players?
b) If he has bought good players why do they perform so inconsistantly?
c) If the players are bad buys, how good is PDC'S judgement in the transfer/loan market?
d) Is PDC a motivator or does he rule by fear?
e) Is PDC a good tactician?,.if so why do we never appear to have a plan B ( let alone plan C or D)?
Personally,, I am becoming very frustrated hearing PDC constantly balme the players ( he bought/loaned them ! ).
I am also fed up of seeing other teams/managers outbattle and out-think us.
Yes PDC may blame the players, but it does appear at times that should a player deviate even a little bit from his master plan, then they are at best substuted and and worse put into his 'little black book' and shunned.
Am I alone in thinking that PDC has fogotten the all team sports need total togetherness....ther


e is no ' i ' in team !
Oh and before we go down the road of ''it not yet Xmas, give it time'' etc, etc, think back a while because that's a dangerous road to go down.
your spot on best quote on here well done
Your asking all the right questions Moonraker. I think most of us know the answers.

I wonder which names Di Matteo had written down last night? We certainly know which name Abramovich had written down.

Despite all the huff and puff, excuses and scape goating, if Paolo does not have Swindon in a good position come early January then he can start scanning the Italian football pundit job adverts.

As it happens, I think we will be in that position and looking good, and Paolo will still be giving it huff and puff....

Di Canio is using us as a stepping stone hoping to rise to the Premiership. I think that suits us and he probably is the right man to get us to the Championship. At that point we will need someone with more maturity and ability to build sustainably.
[quote][p][bold]HOOKEY[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]themoonraker[/bold] wrote: My goodness, we really an enigma of a team and the season is a real curates egg. I would be interested on other posters thoughts about the following: a) Has PDC bought good players or bad players? b) If he has bought good players why do they perform so inconsistantly? c) If the players are bad buys, how good is PDC'S judgement in the transfer/loan market? d) Is PDC a motivator or does he rule by fear? e) Is PDC a good tactician?,.if so why do we never appear to have a plan B ( let alone plan C or D)? Personally,, I am becoming very frustrated hearing PDC constantly balme the players ( he bought/loaned them ! ). I am also fed up of seeing other teams/managers outbattle and out-think us. Yes PDC may blame the players, but it does appear at times that should a player deviate even a little bit from his master plan, then they are at best substuted and and worse put into his 'little black book' and shunned. Am I alone in thinking that PDC has fogotten the all team sports need total togetherness....ther e is no ' i ' in team ! Oh and before we go down the road of ''it not yet Xmas, give it time'' etc, etc, think back a while because that's a dangerous road to go down.[/p][/quote]your spot on best quote on here well done[/p][/quote]Your asking all the right questions Moonraker. I think most of us know the answers. I wonder which names Di Matteo had written down last night? We certainly know which name Abramovich had written down. Despite all the huff and puff, excuses and scape goating, if Paolo does not have Swindon in a good position come early January then he can start scanning the Italian football pundit job adverts. As it happens, I think we will be in that position and looking good, and Paolo will still be giving it huff and puff.... Di Canio is using us as a stepping stone hoping to rise to the Premiership. I think that suits us and he probably is the right man to get us to the Championship. At that point we will need someone with more maturity and ability to build sustainably. mancrobin

10:47pm Wed 21 Nov 12

mikek says...

So Paolo is looking for a winger, I thought we had one called Luke Rooney a better player than Roberts. Why did Paolo spend so much time chasing the lad and pay decent money for him. Why on earth he put the other Rooney (Adam)on the wing the other night is beyond me total waste of a substitution. What does Rafa have to do to get a game these days a player who has scored some crucial goals recently but yet again fallen out of favour it seems. We seem to have no plan B yet again and the other night and did not keep the ball on the deck enough. Would like to see Ritchie switch wings more during games to give the opposition a bit more to think about as we are far too predictable. Roberts was quite shocking and seemed un-interested and I could not believe how he was allowed to just amble slowly over to take corners. Also he leaves J Mac exposed unlike Ritchie who covers his full back and Paolo you were the one that left him on far too long. Thats it had me moan now lets do a number on Nottingham County.
So Paolo is looking for a winger, I thought we had one called Luke Rooney a better player than Roberts. Why did Paolo spend so much time chasing the lad and pay decent money for him. Why on earth he put the other Rooney (Adam)on the wing the other night is beyond me total waste of a substitution. What does Rafa have to do to get a game these days a player who has scored some crucial goals recently but yet again fallen out of favour it seems. We seem to have no plan B yet again and the other night and did not keep the ball on the deck enough. Would like to see Ritchie switch wings more during games to give the opposition a bit more to think about as we are far too predictable. Roberts was quite shocking and seemed un-interested and I could not believe how he was allowed to just amble slowly over to take corners. Also he leaves J Mac exposed unlike Ritchie who covers his full back and Paolo you were the one that left him on far too long. Thats it had me moan now lets do a number on Nottingham County. mikek

10:53pm Wed 21 Nov 12

the wizard says...

bongiaz,

Just picked up your comment before turning in for the night.
Yes, I agree we have some good players and yes, I have been saying cut them some slack and I stick by that, but we still cannot deal with five across the middle. The tactical subs to deal with that have to come from the bench and again last night it didn't appear so until we were all out of position in the last 5/10 minutes and I'd love to know what formation we were playing then, barring Wes were we playing Worn out across the back, burnt out across the middle, the front two had disappeared and we played a defender at the front , oh do come on, what do we call that, patched up botched up, make do and mend. It was embarrassing, apart from the last part of the first half we were chasing shadows and most of the time they played at a canter, 95 minutes and we had to throw up the fittest guy to the front and he was probably the oldest in the side. Something is wrong, Ritchie looked a mere shadow of his best and has done for some weeks, I think the training is being over cooked with some players, we peaked from around 35 to 45 minutes into the game and then we were over the hill. I can't blame the players for that, but it is time somebody started to seriously question the limited attitude of the bench and its short comings. All that glitters is not gold, and League One is not the extension of League Two our management seemed to think it was. I'm still hoping for better in the New Year but I am also cautious about being too rose tinted, all is not as it should be, perhaps its me thinking we should be better than we are, but last night told a revealing story, and he knows it. Have a good one, G'nite.
bongiaz, Just picked up your comment before turning in for the night. Yes, I agree we have some good players and yes, I have been saying cut them some slack and I stick by that, but we still cannot deal with five across the middle. The tactical subs to deal with that have to come from the bench and again last night it didn't appear so until we were all out of position in the last 5/10 minutes and I'd love to know what formation we were playing then, barring Wes were we playing Worn out across the back, burnt out across the middle, the front two had disappeared and we played a defender at the front , oh do come on, what do we call that, patched up botched up, make do and mend. It was embarrassing, apart from the last part of the first half we were chasing shadows and most of the time they played at a canter, 95 minutes and we had to throw up the fittest guy to the front and he was probably the oldest in the side. Something is wrong, Ritchie looked a mere shadow of his best and has done for some weeks, I think the training is being over cooked with some players, we peaked from around 35 to 45 minutes into the game and then we were over the hill. I can't blame the players for that, but it is time somebody started to seriously question the limited attitude of the bench and its short comings. All that glitters is not gold, and League One is not the extension of League Two our management seemed to think it was. I'm still hoping for better in the New Year but I am also cautious about being too rose tinted, all is not as it should be, perhaps its me thinking we should be better than we are, but last night told a revealing story, and he knows it. Have a good one, G'nite. the wizard

11:37pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Oi Den! says...

Malkym wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
old town robin wrote:
gaz2612 wrote: Brentford were better than us in all departments. Their defence was strong and our forwards could find no way through. Our crossing of the ball was very poor. Why were Macca and Bostock not selected to start? PDC makes his substitutions mainly from anger. Simon Ferry upset him in the first half and was substituted after half time, for no reason as he was playing well. . For Rooney??? DeVita was on the bench, surely this was a better option. Roberts should have been replaced earlier as he was very poor. I would also question the MOM award for Jay Mc as he needs extra training in how to cross a ball and to stop the constant shouting at the linesman! Darren Ward was outstanding and was my MOM. PDC cannot keep blaming the players for the results as he picks the side & makes the substitutions so should take some of the blame. He takes the praise when we win. Lets hope we have a good result on Saturday and come away with three points. I have every faith in the players and am sure that PDC will get it right.
You have said it all really, agree with you 100%, only three that come out with any credit is Ward, Thompson and Fodders.I cannot believe how bad James Collins was and for sure his name was on Paolo's piece of paper along side Roberts and toss up between Ritchie and Ferry. But in the end the buck stops with the manager. He selects the team, it's his tactics to play direct, he has no plan B when we are out jumped, out muscled with this aweful head tennis and long ball game he insist we play. The game was crying out for Bostock to start and what does he do, plays a half fit Danny Holland who in time will come good, but this was too soon and the midfield might as well not have been on the field as the long balls played by-passed any chance of them controlling the centre park. No, Paolo only one person responsible for that dreadful performance and that's you. your team selection, your substitutions, your tactics, they play and train how you want them to and last night they looked completely spent of energy and got punished by vorsprung teknik, Uwe out thought you in every department. Be a man and admit it instead of just blaming your players.
Excellent post OTR, although I would add Devera to the list of those who came out with some credit and I do think Collins suffered from very poor service - not for the first time.
Yep - JD solid - sorry Den IMO Collins is too slow and can't hack it when the opposition defence is half decent - proof? Blades and last night - just two examples - his two Yeovil goals whilst very well taken were against a side that gave him the freedom of the park and never pressurised him.

We're still in a great position, particularly given our lengthly injury list but we need to be more incisive - start letting the opposition know we're there and stop hoofing it - let's faceit the point is surely proved? if we are going to play the long ball game - we need pace up front and Collins hasn't got that - Martin might when he comes off the pie diet!
Ha! I would turn your Collins argument on its head and say that he scored two goals against Yeovil because he received the ball to his feet for a change instead of having to fight for it with shick brithouses.
[quote][p][bold]Malkym[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gaz2612[/bold] wrote: Brentford were better than us in all departments. Their defence was strong and our forwards could find no way through. Our crossing of the ball was very poor. Why were Macca and Bostock not selected to start? PDC makes his substitutions mainly from anger. Simon Ferry upset him in the first half and was substituted after half time, for no reason as he was playing well. . For Rooney??? DeVita was on the bench, surely this was a better option. Roberts should have been replaced earlier as he was very poor. I would also question the MOM award for Jay Mc as he needs extra training in how to cross a ball and to stop the constant shouting at the linesman! Darren Ward was outstanding and was my MOM. PDC cannot keep blaming the players for the results as he picks the side & makes the substitutions so should take some of the blame. He takes the praise when we win. Lets hope we have a good result on Saturday and come away with three points. I have every faith in the players and am sure that PDC will get it right.[/p][/quote]You have said it all really, agree with you 100%, only three that come out with any credit is Ward, Thompson and Fodders.I cannot believe how bad James Collins was and for sure his name was on Paolo's piece of paper along side Roberts and toss up between Ritchie and Ferry. But in the end the buck stops with the manager. He selects the team, it's his tactics to play direct, he has no plan B when we are out jumped, out muscled with this aweful head tennis and long ball game he insist we play. The game was crying out for Bostock to start and what does he do, plays a half fit Danny Holland who in time will come good, but this was too soon and the midfield might as well not have been on the field as the long balls played by-passed any chance of them controlling the centre park. No, Paolo only one person responsible for that dreadful performance and that's you. your team selection, your substitutions, your tactics, they play and train how you want them to and last night they looked completely spent of energy and got punished by vorsprung teknik, Uwe out thought you in every department. Be a man and admit it instead of just blaming your players.[/p][/quote]Excellent post OTR, although I would add Devera to the list of those who came out with some credit and I do think Collins suffered from very poor service - not for the first time.[/p][/quote]Yep - JD solid - sorry Den IMO Collins is too slow and can't hack it when the opposition defence is half decent - proof? Blades and last night - just two examples - his two Yeovil goals whilst very well taken were against a side that gave him the freedom of the park and never pressurised him. We're still in a great position, particularly given our lengthly injury list but we need to be more incisive - start letting the opposition know we're there and stop hoofing it - let's faceit the point is surely proved? if we are going to play the long ball game - we need pace up front and Collins hasn't got that - Martin might when he comes off the pie diet![/p][/quote]Ha! I would turn your Collins argument on its head and say that he scored two goals against Yeovil because he received the ball to his feet for a change instead of having to fight for it with shick brithouses. Oi Den!

11:29am Thu 22 Nov 12

Malkym says...

Lol! Collins won't score 20 goals not because of poor service but because he's not good enough IMO>:) ask the mighty Grim!
Lol! Collins won't score 20 goals not because of poor service but because he's not good enough IMO>:) ask the mighty Grim! Malkym

12:58pm Thu 22 Nov 12

Swindon1984 says...

bongiaz wrote:
the wizard wrote: Cutting to the chase, our best period of play was when we played football on the ground towards the end of the first half. We passed and stroked the ball around in their half of the park and on reflection thought we were unlucky not to score from the number of corners and chances we had. Playing the ball on the ground the players linked up and passed well. This was all promising, then then second half flippin' hoof here there everywhere. A totally useless tactic we have tried before and again failed at. They have two tall centre backs who were going to win the ball every time, so what do we do, substitute motor man Ferry who is our best play maker in the middle of the park. Useless. You take off the one man who is going to make the difference. Hollands was out on his feet at the end of the first half, he should have been the first to get subbed, but how is the manager going to see that when he spends most of the time with his back to the play. No Paolo, when we play the ball we play it well, call it what you like but most people prefer tippy tappy to hoof ball, because while we have possession the other team cannot score, simple as that. You need some better tactics that can break down other teams. You cannot keep blaming players all the time. Hoof ball tactics do not win games for us. If we are guilty of anything right now its lack of tactical awareness and ability to adapt, and that comes from the bench, so its down to you Mr Premiership Manager to sort it out, if you have3 the ability, desire and passion to do so, you know, the same qualities you demand of your players, or is you mind a bit blurrey.
Agree with some of your comments however not regarding Ferry he got smashed by Douglas in the first half and was totally inept after that. I for one cannot blame PDC..he has a talented group of players who once that white line is crossed are responsible for their own performances..thats why teams have Captains who should be the voice of the Manager on the pitch. We had too many players who had a very bad day at the office and that included Roberts, Ferry, and Thompson. I'm not in that changing room so how can you assume PDC tells his players to hoof that ball, I for one do not believe that to be the case especially when you see his frustrations on the line when our boys are not even able to instantly control a ball...Storey last night was a prime example. I forecast a win Saturday against Notts County as Macca will be back in place of Thompson and maybe the Trolls on this site can crawl back under their Stones!
Have to agree, yes the buck ultimately stops with the manager but once out on the pitch it's down to them to do the business, and players do seem to be able to hide below the radar in terms of taking responsibility for the team's performance. Flip side to that is of course the fact that the manager picks the team, and needs to field players who will do the job. Suppose we can play the blame game all day but gets no-one anywhere.
[quote][p][bold]bongiaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: Cutting to the chase, our best period of play was when we played football on the ground towards the end of the first half. We passed and stroked the ball around in their half of the park and on reflection thought we were unlucky not to score from the number of corners and chances we had. Playing the ball on the ground the players linked up and passed well. This was all promising, then then second half flippin' hoof here there everywhere. A totally useless tactic we have tried before and again failed at. They have two tall centre backs who were going to win the ball every time, so what do we do, substitute motor man Ferry who is our best play maker in the middle of the park. Useless. You take off the one man who is going to make the difference. Hollands was out on his feet at the end of the first half, he should have been the first to get subbed, but how is the manager going to see that when he spends most of the time with his back to the play. No Paolo, when we play the ball we play it well, call it what you like but most people prefer tippy tappy to hoof ball, because while we have possession the other team cannot score, simple as that. You need some better tactics that can break down other teams. You cannot keep blaming players all the time. Hoof ball tactics do not win games for us. If we are guilty of anything right now its lack of tactical awareness and ability to adapt, and that comes from the bench, so its down to you Mr Premiership Manager to sort it out, if you have3 the ability, desire and passion to do so, you know, the same qualities you demand of your players, or is you mind a bit blurrey.[/p][/quote]Agree with some of your comments however not regarding Ferry he got smashed by Douglas in the first half and was totally inept after that. I for one cannot blame PDC..he has a talented group of players who once that white line is crossed are responsible for their own performances..thats why teams have Captains who should be the voice of the Manager on the pitch. We had too many players who had a very bad day at the office and that included Roberts, Ferry, and Thompson. I'm not in that changing room so how can you assume PDC tells his players to hoof that ball, I for one do not believe that to be the case especially when you see his frustrations on the line when our boys are not even able to instantly control a ball...Storey last night was a prime example. I forecast a win Saturday against Notts County as Macca will be back in place of Thompson and maybe the Trolls on this site can crawl back under their Stones![/p][/quote]Have to agree, yes the buck ultimately stops with the manager but once out on the pitch it's down to them to do the business, and players do seem to be able to hide below the radar in terms of taking responsibility for the team's performance. Flip side to that is of course the fact that the manager picks the team, and needs to field players who will do the job. Suppose we can play the blame game all day but gets no-one anywhere. Swindon1984

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