Swindon fined by FA (From Swindon Advertiser)

hullreds wrote:
iIm speechless, isn't this a normal occurrence in this situation??? I didn't get to see the game - how many players were stood around the ref? And if this is what Evans was on about it hardly had any effect on his miserable team losing the game!! Isn't he still waiting for the FA to decide his punishment from a few matches ago?? The FA aren't dealing with things in date order are they, bloody useless @%*@$*

Cosmic Mango wrote:
Were the Swindon players' celebrations really that excessive in comparison to the average celebration...?! Not generally given to a conspiratorial mindset, but I'm seriously wondering if the FA and/or certain League 2 opponents have some bizarre, hidden agenda here. What next? Banish the team to the stands along with Paolo maybe...?! Try it. We'll still win this league. COYR...!!!!!

Joeyeah_right wrote:
Surely it's the ref who should be fined? As surely it is the letter of the law that as the defender who brought down Billy was the "last man", then it's a straight red card? And how did they manage to find the time to get this fine sorted for us when they haven't yet sorted out their decision on that Fat Creepy F**cker Evans who was sent to the stands last week? One rule for STFC and one rule for everyone else...

jillyh wrote:
I would urge everyone to write to the morons. I have done and let me know if you need the address. Send a copy via e-mail to the club as they are keeping a file. This is victimisation and of the highest degree. I would urge the Board to consult their lawyers

Joeyeah_right wrote:
Surely it's the ref who should be fined? As surely it is the letter of the law that as the defender who brought down Billy was the "last man", then it's a straight red card? And how did they manage to find the time to get this fine sorted for us when they haven't yet sorted out their decision on that Fat Creepy F**cker Evans who was sent to the stands last week? One rule for STFC and one rule for everyone else...

ChrisWantageRed wrote:

jillyh wrote: I would urge everyone to write to the morons. I have done and let me know if you need the address. Send a copy via e-mail to the club as they are keeping a file. This is victimisation and of the highest degree. I would urge the Board to consult their lawyers

I suggest we all write letters, submit video evidence...and take them to the FA personally as part of a formal protest outside their HQ! Anyone fancy a day out in London?? Time for the Swindon fans to "show their passion" in defence of the players and manager that have given so much this season, only to be victimised by the FA, who seem to be in FBG's back pocket!

jillyh wrote:
I would urge everyone to write to the morons. I have done and let me know if you need the address. Send a copy via e-mail to the club as they are keeping a file. This is victimisation and of the highest degree. I would urge the Board to consult their lawyers

richt1976 wrote:
Fines like this are normal when players surround the ref. Its just that we rarely pay any attention to them, or hear about them, because its not very often out players do it.

Has anyone actually checked how many other clubs have had similar fines before they complain about victimisation?!! No, thought not.

Get over it and start enjoying the football.

richt1976 wrote:
Fines like this are normal when players surround the ref. Its just that we rarely pay any attention to them, or hear about them, because its not very often out players do it. Has anyone actually checked how many other clubs have had similar fines before they complain about victimisation?!! No, thought not. Get over it and start enjoying the football.

the don69 wrote:

richt1976 wrote:
Fines like this are normal when players surround the ref. Its just that we rarely pay any attention to them, or hear about them, because its not very often out players do it.

Has anyone actually checked how many other clubs have had similar fines before they complain about victimisation?!! No, thought not.

Get over it and start enjoying the football.

Where's LR when we need him?let's have a list of all teams fined this season,for player's surrounding the ref!any stato's out there with some time on there hand's?

Joeyeah_right wrote:
Surely it's the ref who should be fined? As surely it is the letter of the law that as the defender who brought down Billy was the "last man", then it's a straight red card? And how did they manage to find the time to get this fine sorted for us when they haven't yet sorted out their decision on that Fat Creepy F**cker Evans who was sent to the stands last week? One rule for STFC and one rule for everyone else...

ChrisWantageRed wrote:

jillyh wrote: I would urge everyone to write to the morons. I have done and let me know if you need the address. Send a copy via e-mail to the club as they are keeping a file. This is victimisation and of the highest degree. I would urge the Board to consult their lawyers

I suggest we all write letters, submit video evidence...and take them to the FA personally as part of a formal protest outside their HQ! Anyone fancy a day out in London?? Time for the Swindon fans to "show their passion" in defence of the players and manager that have given so much this season, only to be victimised by the FA, who seem to be in FBG's back pocket!

the don69 wrote:

richt1976 wrote: Fines like this are normal when players surround the ref. Its just that we rarely pay any attention to them, or hear about them, because its not very often out players do it. Has anyone actually checked how many other clubs have had similar fines before they complain about victimisation?!! No, thought not. Get over it and start enjoying the football.

Where's LR when we need him?let's have a list of all teams fined this season,for player's surrounding the ref!any stato's out there with some time on there hand's?

jillyh wrote:
The FA
Wembley Stadium, PO Box 1966, London. SW19 9EQ

STFC:
marie@swindontownfc.

co.uk

I sent my letter yesterday complaining of victimistation.

igiwigi wrote:
Ever since Lou Macarri and Swindon's demotion from the Premier the Fa have had It In for the Town. Remember Spurs got away with it!!! Only points deducted!!

RRobin69 wrote:

Joeyeah_right wrote:
Surely it's the ref who should be fined? As surely it is the letter of the law that as the defender who brought down Billy was the "last man", then it's a straight red card? And how did they manage to find the time to get this fine sorted for us when they haven't yet sorted out their decision on that Fat Creepy F**cker Evans who was sent to the stands last week? One rule for STFC and one rule for everyone else...

It's been posted/commented several times, but for the avoidance of doubt (again) the referees decision regarding the Bodin foul was spot on.
The 'last man' rule does not exist - the rule is that a red card is given if the foul prevents an obvious goal scoring opportunity. Given that Billy was on the half way line, it was not an obvious (with that being the key word) goal scoring opportunity. Therefore, the surrounding of the referree by our players was unnecessary, hence the token fine. Totally agree though that the actions of Evans and his clown though the whole 90 minutes warrant a far greater punishment than PDC has received this season.

Is that you Lovesey wrote:

RRobin69 wrote:

Joeyeah_right wrote: Surely it's the ref who should be fined? As surely it is the letter of the law that as the defender who brought down Billy was the "last man", then it's a straight red card? And how did they manage to find the time to get this fine sorted for us when they haven't yet sorted out their decision on that Fat Creepy F**cker Evans who was sent to the stands last week? One rule for STFC and one rule for everyone else...

It's been posted/commented several times, but for the avoidance of doubt (again) the referees decision regarding the Bodin foul was spot on. The 'last man' rule does not exist - the rule is that a red card is given if the foul prevents an obvious goal scoring opportunity. Given that Billy was on the half way line, it was not an obvious (with that being the key word) goal scoring opportunity. Therefore, the surrounding of the referree by our players was unnecessary, hence the token fine. Totally agree though that the actions of Evans and his clown though the whole 90 minutes warrant a far greater punishment than PDC has received this season.

I disagree with you there is a professional foul rule, that was a professional foul and he did prevent a clear goalscoring opportunity... But hey ho its all in the past now !!

Oxon-Red wrote:
Deep Breath and calm down everyone. A reaction in the heat of the moment is not always the best course of action. From memory, there was quite a melee following the foul with the referee trying to calm things down. This may have been interpretted incorrectly because of the number of players in the vicinity. What concerns me most is that Steve Evans has spent 20 minutes alone with the referee after the match. Perhaps someone can tell me if this is permitted because I find it very strange. COYMR

Since 1950 wrote:
Oh, and here's another thing that's worth a £10.00 bet. PDC will get another touch line ban just prior to the JPT Wembley final. You watch.

igiwigi wrote:
This is a storm in a teacup. If paulo keeps cool headed and so does all of his players all of this will go away and all of the cheats will get what is coming to them. We are all behind you PAULO!!!

RRobin69 wrote:

Joeyeah_right wrote:
Surely it's the ref who should be fined? As surely it is the letter of the law that as the defender who brought down Billy was the "last man", then it's a straight red card? And how did they manage to find the time to get this fine sorted for us when they haven't yet sorted out their decision on that Fat Creepy F**cker Evans who was sent to the stands last week? One rule for STFC and one rule for everyone else...

It's been posted/commented several times, but for the avoidance of doubt (again) the referees decision regarding the Bodin foul was spot on.
The 'last man' rule does not exist - the rule is that a red card is given if the foul prevents an obvious goal scoring opportunity. Given that Billy was on the half way line, it was not an obvious (with that being the key word) goal scoring opportunity. Therefore, the surrounding of the referree by our players was unnecessary, hence the token fine. Totally agree though that the actions of Evans and his clown though the whole 90 minutes warrant a far greater punishment than PDC has received this season.

mgstfc wrote:
"We are Swindon, super Swindon, no one likes us - we don't care"

Seige mentality from now on boys and girls - what a better way to bond us altogether... Thank you FA...!

the gardener wrote:

RRobin69 wrote:

Joeyeah_right wrote:
Surely it's the ref who should be fined? As surely it is the letter of the law that as the defender who brought down Billy was the "last man", then it's a straight red card? And how did they manage to find the time to get this fine sorted for us when they haven't yet sorted out their decision on that Fat Creepy F**cker Evans who was sent to the stands last week? One rule for STFC and one rule for everyone else...

It's been posted/commented several times, but for the avoidance of doubt (again) the referees decision regarding the Bodin foul was spot on.
The 'last man' rule does not exist - the rule is that a red card is given if the foul prevents an obvious goal scoring opportunity. Given that Billy was on the half way line, it was not an obvious (with that being the key word) goal scoring opportunity. Therefore, the surrounding of the referree by our players was unnecessary, hence the token fine. Totally agree though that the actions of Evans and his clown though the whole 90 minutes warrant a far greater punishment than PDC has received this season.

Hi RRobin69

Do you know what the parameters are for the prevention of an obvious goal scoring opportunity?
I have seen players run half the length of a pitch and score single-handed and on the other side of the argument seen open goal sitters missed from 3 - 5 yards out. Is it down to each individual Referee to 'Use common sense' or are there guidelines in place.
Interesting to know your thoughts cos I naively thought there was a last man rule. (Shouldn't spend so much time listening to pundits on the telly i guess!)
Thanks for any clarity on the situation.

old town robin wrote:

the gardener wrote:

RRobin69 wrote:

Joeyeah_right wrote: Surely it's the ref who should be fined? As surely it is the letter of the law that as the defender who brought down Billy was the "last man", then it's a straight red card? And how did they manage to find the time to get this fine sorted for us when they haven't yet sorted out their decision on that Fat Creepy F**cker Evans who was sent to the stands last week? One rule for STFC and one rule for everyone else...

It's been posted/commented several times, but for the avoidance of doubt (again) the referees decision regarding the Bodin foul was spot on. The 'last man' rule does not exist - the rule is that a red card is given if the foul prevents an obvious goal scoring opportunity. Given that Billy was on the half way line, it was not an obvious (with that being the key word) goal scoring opportunity. Therefore, the surrounding of the referree by our players was unnecessary, hence the token fine. Totally agree though that the actions of Evans and his clown though the whole 90 minutes warrant a far greater punishment than PDC has received this season.

Hi RRobin69 Do you know what the parameters are for the prevention of an obvious goal scoring opportunity? I have seen players run half the length of a pitch and score single-handed and on the other side of the argument seen open goal sitters missed from 3 - 5 yards out. Is it down to each individual Referee to 'Use common sense' or are there guidelines in place. Interesting to know your thoughts cos I naively thought there was a last man rule. (Shouldn't spend so much time listening to pundits on the telly i guess!) Thanks for any clarity on the situation.

Forget about the incident being last man or goal scoring chance, It was clearly a cynical professional foul and Davies should have gone for that offence the same as any player making a rugby tackle or deliberate hand ball to stop a team offensive, if a decent referee believes the defender has denied an attack by unfair means, it has to be red in my opinion. With regards to the melee following the offence, I thought the ref brought it all on himself, in all my years of supporting town I find hard it to remember any ref as bad as Haywood in the first half and never have I heard our fans so enraged with him, their time wasting, theatrics on and off the field. Without doubt the most unsporting team I have seen at the County Ground since the last time a Crawley 11 visited us. if the ref had any control of the game he would have taken action on the melee after the assault on McCormack, but he did nothing. I would like to know who and what the accessor was assessing.

Oi Den! wrote:
I've been saying for ages that the FA should clamp down on players surrounding the referee, so I can hardly change my mind now just because it's our players that did it. Sorry, but I think Paolo is wrong, our players were in the wrong and the FA have got this one right.
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Are we really so desperate to have a numerical advantage that we we have to try to influence the referee's decision? I think it's disgusting that any professional footballer should try to get a fellow pro sent off. The referee had a very clear view of the foul, as subsequently proved by the yellow card, which I think was spot on. He didn't need telling what had happened. Every single poster on this site knows that we would have all been up in arms if Crawley's players had done this. We have had numerous complaints on here about Steve Evans trying to influence referees. We can't have it both ways. It's either wrong or it's not. Having double standards does not do us any favours.
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If PDC is going to continue condoning this sort of behaviour - and complain about the consequences - then I think we are heading for a lot more trouble.

Last step wrote:
We drink and drink and drink,
To Paolo the king the king the king,
As long as he stays in,
His technical area.

Repeat.

To the tune of Lily the Pink with some bits nicked from Man Utd's Cantona song.

Maybe a 2nd verse with 'touchline ban' in...

old town robin wrote:

the gardener wrote:

RRobin69 wrote:

Joeyeah_right wrote: Surely it's the ref who should be fined? As surely it is the letter of the law that as the defender who brought down Billy was the "last man", then it's a straight red card? And how did they manage to find the time to get this fine sorted for us when they haven't yet sorted out their decision on that Fat Creepy F**cker Evans who was sent to the stands last week? One rule for STFC and one rule for everyone else...

It's been posted/commented several times, but for the avoidance of doubt (again) the referees decision regarding the Bodin foul was spot on. The 'last man' rule does not exist - the rule is that a red card is given if the foul prevents an obvious goal scoring opportunity. Given that Billy was on the half way line, it was not an obvious (with that being the key word) goal scoring opportunity. Therefore, the surrounding of the referree by our players was unnecessary, hence the token fine. Totally agree though that the actions of Evans and his clown though the whole 90 minutes warrant a far greater punishment than PDC has received this season.

Hi RRobin69 Do you know what the parameters are for the prevention of an obvious goal scoring opportunity? I have seen players run half the length of a pitch and score single-handed and on the other side of the argument seen open goal sitters missed from 3 - 5 yards out. Is it down to each individual Referee to 'Use common sense' or are there guidelines in place. Interesting to know your thoughts cos I naively thought there was a last man rule. (Shouldn't spend so much time listening to pundits on the telly i guess!) Thanks for any clarity on the situation.

Forget about the incident being last man or goal scoring chance, It was clearly a cynical professional foul and Davies should have gone for that offence the same as any player making a rugby tackle or deliberate hand ball to stop a team offensive, if a decent referee believes the defender has denied an attack by unfair means, it has to be red in my opinion. With regards to the melee following the offence, I thought the ref brought it all on himself, in all my years of supporting town I find hard it to remember any ref as bad as Haywood in the first half and never have I heard our fans so enraged with him, their time wasting, theatrics on and off the field. Without doubt the most unsporting team I have seen at the County Ground since the last time a Crawley 11 visited us. if the ref had any control of the game he would have taken action on the melee after the assault on McCormack, but he did nothing. I would like to know who and what the accessor was assessing.

Is that you Lovesey wrote:

RRobin69 wrote:

Joeyeah_right wrote: Surely it's the ref who should be fined? As surely it is the letter of the law that as the defender who brought down Billy was the "last man", then it's a straight red card? And how did they manage to find the time to get this fine sorted for us when they haven't yet sorted out their decision on that Fat Creepy F**cker Evans who was sent to the stands last week? One rule for STFC and one rule for everyone else...

It's been posted/commented several times, but for the avoidance of doubt (again) the referees decision regarding the Bodin foul was spot on. The 'last man' rule does not exist - the rule is that a red card is given if the foul prevents an obvious goal scoring opportunity. Given that Billy was on the half way line, it was not an obvious (with that being the key word) goal scoring opportunity. Therefore, the surrounding of the referree by our players was unnecessary, hence the token fine. Totally agree though that the actions of Evans and his clown though the whole 90 minutes warrant a far greater punishment than PDC has received this season.

I disagree with you there is a professional foul rule, that was a professional foul and he did prevent a clear goalscoring opportunity... But hey ho its all in the past now !!

the don69 wrote:

Oi Den! wrote:
I've been saying for ages that the FA should clamp down on players surrounding the referee, so I can hardly change my mind now just because it's our players that did it. Sorry, but I think Paolo is wrong, our players were in the wrong and the FA have got this one right.
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Are we really so desperate to have a numerical advantage that we we have to try to influence the referee's decision? I think it's disgusting that any professional footballer should try to get a fellow pro sent off. The referee had a very clear view of the foul, as subsequently proved by the yellow card, which I think was spot on. He didn't need telling what had happened. Every single poster on this site knows that we would have all been up in arms if Crawley's players had done this. We have had numerous complaints on here about Steve Evans trying to influence referees. We can't have it both ways. It's either wrong or it's not. Having double standards does not do us any favours.
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If PDC is going to continue condoning this sort of behaviour - and complain about the consequences - then I think we are heading for a lot more trouble.

It's always the smaller club's the FA go after Den!they have no consistency,just like most of there Ref's!they are gutless when it come's to the big club's and they are scared of the premier league,because that's where the money and power is now,so in my opinion the FA are now not fit for purpose,they need root and branch reform!!!!!!!!!

Rhs Boydy wrote:
Chelsea, Liverpool, Man Utd, Derby, Brighton, Bristol Rovers, Oxford, MK Dons, Reading. All been charged with failure to control their players this season before us and I'm sure there are others as well. The rule is there and should be enforced. We cannot complain with this one.

swidonpremiership wrote:
FA are like your worst big bully at school - the more youi stood up to them the worst punishment you recieved

The best way round this IMO is to say nothing and achieve more in life than they do !

Therefore when we are back in the premeirship (with PDC) the FA will be F ...A..

DO NOT TAUNT A BULLY THAT COULD DOCK YOU POINTS OR DEMOTE YOU

Rhs Boydy wrote:
Chelsea, Liverpool, Man Utd, Derby, Brighton, Bristol Rovers, Oxford, MK Dons, Reading.
All been charged with failure to control their players this season before us and I'm sure there are others as well. The rule is there and should be enforced. We cannot complain with this one.

International Robin wrote:

swidonpremiership wrote: FA are like your worst big bully at school - the more youi stood up to them the worst punishment you recieved The best way round this IMO is to say nothing and achieve more in life than they do ! Therefore when we are back in the premeirship (with PDC) the FA will be F ...A.. DO NOT TAUNT A BULLY THAT COULD DOCK YOU POINTS OR DEMOTE YOU

We'd bloody sue the FA if they even tried. They would need a rather large case to make it stick and if they did that, I'd personally march on the FA doorstep and 'Occupy The FA' in protest!

swidonpremiership wrote:

International Robin wrote:

swidonpremiership wrote: FA are like your worst big bully at school - the more youi stood up to them the worst punishment you recieved The best way round this IMO is to say nothing and achieve more in life than they do ! Therefore when we are back in the premeirship (with PDC) the FA will be F ...A.. DO NOT TAUNT A BULLY THAT COULD DOCK YOU POINTS OR DEMOTE YOU

We'd bloody sue the FA if they even tried. They would need a rather large case to make it stick and if they did that, I'd personally march on the FA doorstep and 'Occupy The FA' in protest!

THAT is the problem you cant sue the FA they have their own rules and if they want to desroy our club they will find a way

swidonpremiership wrote:

International Robin wrote:

swidonpremiership wrote: FA are like your worst big bully at school - the more youi stood up to them the worst punishment you recieved The best way round this IMO is to say nothing and achieve more in life than they do ! Therefore when we are back in the premeirship (with PDC) the FA will be F ...A.. DO NOT TAUNT A BULLY THAT COULD DOCK YOU POINTS OR DEMOTE YOU

We'd bloody sue the FA if they even tried. They would need a rather large case to make it stick and if they did that, I'd personally march on the FA doorstep and 'Occupy The FA' in protest!

THAT is the problem you cant sue the FA they have their own rules and if they want to desroy our club they will find a way

Gozza57 wrote:
Keep Calm and Carry On! Rise above it, ignore it, pay the fine. To be honest I think the biggest danger for us not winning the league is to let all of this carry on and get out of hand with over the top reaction from PDC and the fans. We are winning a lot of friends with the football we play, let that do the talking. The Chairman will raise any issues with the FA and League that need raising. Trust him to make sound, sensible representations. The worst thing we can do is to claim victimisation, even if it is, we will turn all against us. A good example is the scorn shown to the various Man City people moaning of the same thing. The best way to show we are the best is by playing the way we do and shutting up about the rest of it.

Wisp wrote:
I am in the Arkells Stand just behind where the Assessor sits every week, and the “gentleman” that was assessing on Tuesday night I have never seen before, but his reaction to people around him was “Do not speak to me it is not allowed”. In fact he threatened to report a steward because he questioned the antics in the Crawley technical area in as much as it was likely to cause crowd unrest.
Something I have never seen before was the assessor go down to pitchside at half time. To speak to the referee and I thought he was there to assess the ref’s performance. Shows what we know!!!!!

Moonraker1983 wrote:
I'm not sure a few badly written, mispelt, grammatically incorrect letters from a few disgruntled fans will do anything other than annoy the FA. They won't reverse the decision and all you'll get is a stock response, written by a PA with the directors electronic signiture printed on. Then again, you'll have some FA headed paper, what you won't have is an explination. All you'll do is draw further scrutiny to our club from the powers that be. The fine is puny, leave it at that and let's hope the FA don't get annoyed with PDCs comments about thanking them for sending him to the stands.

Since 1950 wrote:

Rhs Boydy wrote:
Chelsea, Liverpool, Man Utd, Derby, Brighton, Bristol Rovers, Oxford, MK Dons, Reading. All been charged with failure to control their players this season before us and I'm sure there are others as well. The rule is there and should be enforced. We cannot complain with this one.

That might well be the case Rhs, but I bet they weren't predicated by the opposition manager in a 20 min closed door session with the ref; and then leaving saying to the press who was going to be reported to the FA. Stinks as much as Crawley.

Mondeaux wrote:

Since 1950 wrote:

Rhs Boydy wrote:
Chelsea, Liverpool, Man Utd, Derby, Brighton, Bristol Rovers, Oxford, MK Dons, Reading. All been charged with failure to control their players this season before us and I'm sure there are others as well. The rule is there and should be enforced. We cannot complain with this one.

That might well be the case Rhs, but I bet they weren't predicated by the opposition manager in a 20 min closed door session with the ref; and then leaving saying to the press who was going to be reported to the FA. Stinks as much as Crawley.

"Stinks as much as Crawley"?

My stance is that we should treat them (Crawley Town) as "grass". Something that no-one worries about, or pays much regard to, but something that everyone knows is there.

I spoke to a fella yesterday, who thought that Crawley Town, was football team.

I put him straight on that one.

Today is the 16th, we stuffed them on the 14th. Let's waste no more time on it, but concentrate on what's ahead of us.

When I heard that they'd sold Tubbs, I thought, "Blimey, I didn't think you could sell a manager"!

Ali-Dia-Barmy-Army wrote:
Saints fan in peace, just seen your gaffer on SSN, what a joke the FA the FL have had it in for PDC ever since the Paul Alcock incident and now they have STFC in there sights but you dont need me to tell you that. Keep the faith STFC in a league full of Fatty Evans's and and Dull Sanchez's long live Swindon Town and PDC

the wizard wrote:

Mondeaux wrote:

Since 1950 wrote:

Rhs Boydy wrote:
Chelsea, Liverpool, Man Utd, Derby, Brighton, Bristol Rovers, Oxford, MK Dons, Reading. All been charged with failure to control their players this season before us and I'm sure there are others as well. The rule is there and should be enforced. We cannot complain with this one.

That might well be the case Rhs, but I bet they weren't predicated by the opposition manager in a 20 min closed door session with the ref; and then leaving saying to the press who was going to be reported to the FA. Stinks as much as Crawley.

"Stinks as much as Crawley"?

My stance is that we should treat them (Crawley Town) as "grass". Something that no-one worries about, or pays much regard to, but something that everyone knows is there.

I spoke to a fella yesterday, who thought that Crawley Town, was football team.

I put him straight on that one.

Today is the 16th, we stuffed them on the 14th. Let's waste no more time on it, but concentrate on what's ahead of us.

When I heard that they'd sold Tubbs, I thought, "Blimey, I didn't think you could sell a manager"!

Nice one, the red must be working well tonight.

You missed a brilliant match Tuesday, dunno what you and RED would have done had you been there, plenty to comment on for sure.

Will e-mail tomorrow.

the wizard wrote:
Well, you do have his e-mail address so why not ask ?

Moonraker1983 wrote:
I'm not sure a few badly written, mispelt, grammatically incorrect letters from a few disgruntled fans will do anything other than annoy the FA. They won't reverse the decision and all you'll get is a stock response, written by a PA with the directors electronic signiture printed on. Then again, you'll have some FA headed paper, what you won't have is an explination. All you'll do is draw further scrutiny to our club from the powers that be. The fine is puny, leave it at that and let's hope the FA don't get annoyed with PDCs comments about thanking them for sending him to the stands.

candlestrobe wrote:
Di Canio ... "I'll tell my players to dive from now on" ... "they can ban me all they like but we'll still win the league"... "the FA don't understand me now but they will (when I manage England)" ... "Thanks for the ban, it meant less work post-match" etc Just saying.

swidonpremiership wrote:
Are we all in general ageement not to bombard the FA with messages agaisnt any punishment the tw.ts want to place on STFC and instead get in each ground we play and sing SWINDON TILL I DIE !!!!

Oi Den! wrote:

old town robin wrote:

the gardener wrote:

RRobin69 wrote:

Joeyeah_right wrote: Surely it's the ref who should be fined? As surely it is the letter of the law that as the defender who brought down Billy was the "last man", then it's a straight red card? And how did they manage to find the time to get this fine sorted for us when they haven't yet sorted out their decision on that Fat Creepy F**cker Evans who was sent to the stands last week? One rule for STFC and one rule for everyone else...

It's been posted/commented several times, but for the avoidance of doubt (again) the referees decision regarding the Bodin foul was spot on. The 'last man' rule does not exist - the rule is that a red card is given if the foul prevents an obvious goal scoring opportunity. Given that Billy was on the half way line, it was not an obvious (with that being the key word) goal scoring opportunity. Therefore, the surrounding of the referree by our players was unnecessary, hence the token fine. Totally agree though that the actions of Evans and his clown though the whole 90 minutes warrant a far greater punishment than PDC has received this season.

Hi RRobin69 Do you know what the parameters are for the prevention of an obvious goal scoring opportunity? I have seen players run half the length of a pitch and score single-handed and on the other side of the argument seen open goal sitters missed from 3 - 5 yards out. Is it down to each individual Referee to 'Use common sense' or are there guidelines in place. Interesting to know your thoughts cos I naively thought there was a last man rule. (Shouldn't spend so much time listening to pundits on the telly i guess!) Thanks for any clarity on the situation.

Forget about the incident being last man or goal scoring chance, It was clearly a cynical professional foul and Davies should have gone for that offence the same as any player making a rugby tackle or deliberate hand ball to stop a team offensive, if a decent referee believes the defender has denied an attack by unfair means, it has to be red in my opinion. With regards to the melee following the offence, I thought the ref brought it all on himself, in all my years of supporting town I find hard it to remember any ref as bad as Haywood in the first half and never have I heard our fans so enraged with him, their time wasting, theatrics on and off the field. Without doubt the most unsporting team I have seen at the County Ground since the last time a Crawley 11 visited us. if the ref had any control of the game he would have taken action on the melee after the assault on McCormack, but he did nothing. I would like to know who and what the accessor was assessing.

OTR, this is not really about whether it should have been a red card or a yellow card. Our players surrounded the referee before he had produced a card. That's the offence and that's what we've been punished for. . But your point about the red card does not stand up. I've just had a look at the Laws of the Game on the FA's website. It is not in the referee's power to send a player off for a cynical professional foul if that foul does not prevent an obvious goalscoring opportunity. You may argue, as others have, that it was an obvious goalscoring opportunity but the fact is that the ref has to consider the distance between the incident and the goal. He obviously took the view that a foul on the halfway line is not a sufficiently clear case of preventing a goalscoring opportunity - and I would agree. . We are a good team with a good manager. We do not need to resort to these Man Utd inspired tactics. . I also think we need to get away from this "victim" mentality. So far the FA's punishments have been: . PDC - 1st offence: no ban PDC - 2nd offence: 1 match ban PDC - 3rd offence: 2 match ban Club collectively for players surrounding ref: £1,000 fine I think most neutrals would see that as pretty fair. . Lastly OTR, you talk about Crawley being an unsporting team. You may be right - but I couldn't care less about them. There is nothing more unsporting than trying to get a fellow pro red carded. Anyone who thinks otherwise has a very different idea from mine about how the game should be played.

steve. wrote:

Ali-Dia-Barmy-Army wrote: Saints fan in peace, just seen your gaffer on SSN, what a joke the FA the FL have had it in for PDC ever since the Paul Alcock incident and now they have STFC in there sights but you dont need me to tell you that. Keep the faith STFC in a league full of Fatty Evans's and and Dull Sanchez's long live Swindon Town and PDC

Thanks for your support, i believe that everything in life comes at a price and having a passionate and slightly eccentric manager who has always had a bit of controversy connected with him will effectively attract more controversy,if a couple of touch line bans and a couple of small fines are what it costs us to continue our current and excellent form with our fabulous Italian then i don't think that's a lot to pay. As for the players surrounding the Ref its not a pretty sight and like Den hate to see it, but Den being a much fairer and more balanced man than myself i believe in if someone/thing does me/mine a wrong then expect retaliation,which is what i class our players doing in response to Crawleys/Evan`s antics.

SAPFanSTFC wrote:

Oi Den! wrote:

old town robin wrote:

the gardener wrote:

RRobin69 wrote:

Joeyeah_right wrote: Surely it's the ref who should be fined? As surely it is the letter of the law that as the defender who brought down Billy was the "last man", then it's a straight red card? And how did they manage to find the time to get this fine sorted for us when they haven't yet sorted out their decision on that Fat Creepy F**cker Evans who was sent to the stands last week? One rule for STFC and one rule for everyone else...

It's been posted/commented several times, but for the avoidance of doubt (again) the referees decision regarding the Bodin foul was spot on. The 'last man' rule does not exist - the rule is that a red card is given if the foul prevents an obvious goal scoring opportunity. Given that Billy was on the half way line, it was not an obvious (with that being the key word) goal scoring opportunity. Therefore, the surrounding of the referree by our players was unnecessary, hence the token fine. Totally agree though that the actions of Evans and his clown though the whole 90 minutes warrant a far greater punishment than PDC has received this season.

Hi RRobin69 Do you know what the parameters are for the prevention of an obvious goal scoring opportunity? I have seen players run half the length of a pitch and score single-handed and on the other side of the argument seen open goal sitters missed from 3 - 5 yards out. Is it down to each individual Referee to 'Use common sense' or are there guidelines in place. Interesting to know your thoughts cos I naively thought there was a last man rule. (Shouldn't spend so much time listening to pundits on the telly i guess!) Thanks for any clarity on the situation.

Forget about the incident being last man or goal scoring chance, It was clearly a cynical professional foul and Davies should have gone for that offence the same as any player making a rugby tackle or deliberate hand ball to stop a team offensive, if a decent referee believes the defender has denied an attack by unfair means, it has to be red in my opinion. With regards to the melee following the offence, I thought the ref brought it all on himself, in all my years of supporting town I find hard it to remember any ref as bad as Haywood in the first half and never have I heard our fans so enraged with him, their time wasting, theatrics on and off the field. Without doubt the most unsporting team I have seen at the County Ground since the last time a Crawley 11 visited us. if the ref had any control of the game he would have taken action on the melee after the assault on McCormack, but he did nothing. I would like to know who and what the accessor was assessing.

OTR, this is not really about whether it should have been a red card or a yellow card. Our players surrounded the referee before he had produced a card. That's the offence and that's what we've been punished for. . But your point about the red card does not stand up. I've just had a look at the Laws of the Game on the FA's website. It is not in the referee's power to send a player off for a cynical professional foul if that foul does not prevent an obvious goalscoring opportunity. You may argue, as others have, that it was an obvious goalscoring opportunity but the fact is that the ref has to consider the distance between the incident and the goal. He obviously took the view that a foul on the halfway line is not a sufficiently clear case of preventing a goalscoring opportunity - and I would agree. . We are a good team with a good manager. We do not need to resort to these Man Utd inspired tactics. . I also think we need to get away from this "victim" mentality. So far the FA's punishments have been: . PDC - 1st offence: no ban PDC - 2nd offence: 1 match ban PDC - 3rd offence: 2 match ban Club collectively for players surrounding ref: £1,000 fine I think most neutrals would see that as pretty fair. . Lastly OTR, you talk about Crawley being an unsporting team. You may be right - but I couldn't care less about them. There is nothing more unsporting than trying to get a fellow pro red carded. Anyone who thinks otherwise has a very different idea from mine about how the game should be played.

What you are missing Oi Den (and I've got to believe you're on the anti-PDC side as I've never seen a positive commnet from you) is that what the OTHER managers get away with..do you and the other anti-PDC brigade not understand this element of life? .. Do you believe that Sweaty behaved as well as our normal reaction?..or are you totally blind to his actions|?

Oi Den! wrote:

SAPFanSTFC wrote:

Oi Den! wrote:

old town robin wrote:

the gardener wrote:

RRobin69 wrote:

Joeyeah_right wrote: Surely it's the ref who should be fined? As surely it is the letter of the law that as the defender who brought down Billy was the "last man", then it's a straight red card? And how did they manage to find the time to get this fine sorted for us when they haven't yet sorted out their decision on that Fat Creepy F**cker Evans who was sent to the stands last week? One rule for STFC and one rule for everyone else...

It's been posted/commented several times, but for the avoidance of doubt (again) the referees decision regarding the Bodin foul was spot on. The 'last man' rule does not exist - the rule is that a red card is given if the foul prevents an obvious goal scoring opportunity. Given that Billy was on the half way line, it was not an obvious (with that being the key word) goal scoring opportunity. Therefore, the surrounding of the referree by our players was unnecessary, hence the token fine. Totally agree though that the actions of Evans and his clown though the whole 90 minutes warrant a far greater punishment than PDC has received this season.

Hi RRobin69 Do you know what the parameters are for the prevention of an obvious goal scoring opportunity? I have seen players run half the length of a pitch and score single-handed and on the other side of the argument seen open goal sitters missed from 3 - 5 yards out. Is it down to each individual Referee to 'Use common sense' or are there guidelines in place. Interesting to know your thoughts cos I naively thought there was a last man rule. (Shouldn't spend so much time listening to pundits on the telly i guess!) Thanks for any clarity on the situation.

Forget about the incident being last man or goal scoring chance, It was clearly a cynical professional foul and Davies should have gone for that offence the same as any player making a rugby tackle or deliberate hand ball to stop a team offensive, if a decent referee believes the defender has denied an attack by unfair means, it has to be red in my opinion. With regards to the melee following the offence, I thought the ref brought it all on himself, in all my years of supporting town I find hard it to remember any ref as bad as Haywood in the first half and never have I heard our fans so enraged with him, their time wasting, theatrics on and off the field. Without doubt the most unsporting team I have seen at the County Ground since the last time a Crawley 11 visited us. if the ref had any control of the game he would have taken action on the melee after the assault on McCormack, but he did nothing. I would like to know who and what the accessor was assessing.

OTR, this is not really about whether it should have been a red card or a yellow card. Our players surrounded the referee before he had produced a card. That's the offence and that's what we've been punished for. . But your point about the red card does not stand up. I've just had a look at the Laws of the Game on the FA's website. It is not in the referee's power to send a player off for a cynical professional foul if that foul does not prevent an obvious goalscoring opportunity. You may argue, as others have, that it was an obvious goalscoring opportunity but the fact is that the ref has to consider the distance between the incident and the goal. He obviously took the view that a foul on the halfway line is not a sufficiently clear case of preventing a goalscoring opportunity - and I would agree. . We are a good team with a good manager. We do not need to resort to these Man Utd inspired tactics. . I also think we need to get away from this "victim" mentality. So far the FA's punishments have been: . PDC - 1st offence: no ban PDC - 2nd offence: 1 match ban PDC - 3rd offence: 2 match ban Club collectively for players surrounding ref: £1,000 fine I think most neutrals would see that as pretty fair. . Lastly OTR, you talk about Crawley being an unsporting team. You may be right - but I couldn't care less about them. There is nothing more unsporting than trying to get a fellow pro red carded. Anyone who thinks otherwise has a very different idea from mine about how the game should be played.

What you are missing Oi Den (and I've got to believe you're on the anti-PDC side as I've never seen a positive commnet from you) is that what the OTHER managers get away with..do you and the other anti-PDC brigade not understand this element of life? .. Do you believe that Sweaty behaved as well as our normal reaction?..or are you totally blind to his actions|?

Do NOT tell me I'm anti-PDC. That is an inaccurate and scurrillous accusation. When I have calmed down, I will remind you of the many positive comments I've made.

Malkym wrote:
Right chaps I'm going to nail this here and now re - red/yellow. What follows is an extract from an online article about Stuart Atwell being demoted to the FL for a series of gaffes reffing in the Prem. I quote:-

His most recent high-profile gaffe came last December when he dismissed Bolton's Gary Cahill (now with Chelsea) for denying Scott Parker a goalscoring opportunity despite the incident happening near the halfway line.

That red card was later rescinded and the company that supplies English football with referees then decided he would be better off continuing to learn his trade in the Football League" end quote.


Here's the link :- http://uk.eurosport.

yahoo.com/16022012/5

8/premier-league-att

well-demoted-premier

-league-list.html


This fully backs up RRobin 69 comments above and Den's -quote "I've just had a look at the Laws of the Game on the FA's website. It is not in the referee's power to send a player off for a cynical professional foul if that foul does not prevent an obvious goalscoring opportunity. You may argue, as others have, that it was an obvious goalscoring opportunity but the fact is that the ref has to consider the distance between the incident and the goal. He obviously took the view that a foul on the halfway line is not a sufficiently clear case of preventing a goalscoring opportunity - and I would agree" end quote.

SAP with the utmost respect your comment re Den being negative was utter total b0llocks because for a start in the very same post I am referring to he says "we are a good club with a good manager" -surely that's positive enough for you isn't it?

I don't know but I think what might rankle with you,and I stand to be corrected but I think you've said as much is that Den plays the Boycott bat straight down the middle and does not just see things from the biased fan viewpoint aka via those coloured lenses. I too - maybe its an age thing - tend to see both sides of the coin and in the light of the Atwell quote above you'd have to say Den was spot on wouldn't you?

I can assure you that there is no more passionate fan than Oi Den - having stood alongside him at the campaign to get us reinstated to Div 1 after the demotion and countless letters to the FL - I can vouch for that. As he says his posts are often praiseworthy of the PDC ideology and I'm sorry but I think you're off the beam here.

Off topic to answer your Harwell q's and to save time - AERE 1968-74 Chemistry Div B.220 and also 429,10.5 & 540 just across the road from 220. Cheers.

the gardener wrote:

RRobin69 wrote:

Joeyeah_right wrote:
Surely it's the ref who should be fined? As surely it is the letter of the law that as the defender who brought down Billy was the "last man", then it's a straight red card? And how did they manage to find the time to get this fine sorted for us when they haven't yet sorted out their decision on that Fat Creepy F**cker Evans who was sent to the stands last week? One rule for STFC and one rule for everyone else...

It's been posted/commented several times, but for the avoidance of doubt (again) the referees decision regarding the Bodin foul was spot on.
The 'last man' rule does not exist - the rule is that a red card is given if the foul prevents an obvious goal scoring opportunity. Given that Billy was on the half way line, it was not an obvious (with that being the key word) goal scoring opportunity. Therefore, the surrounding of the referree by our players was unnecessary, hence the token fine. Totally agree though that the actions of Evans and his clown though the whole 90 minutes warrant a far greater punishment than PDC has received this season.

Hi RRobin69

Do you know what the parameters are for the prevention of an obvious goal scoring opportunity?
I have seen players run half the length of a pitch and score single-handed and on the other side of the argument seen open goal sitters missed from 3 - 5 yards out. Is it down to each individual Referee to 'Use common sense' or are there guidelines in place.
Interesting to know your thoughts cos I naively thought there was a last man rule. (Shouldn't spend so much time listening to pundits on the telly i guess!)
Thanks for any clarity on the situation.

Farteaboy wrote:
Watching all this from afar... Loving what PDC has done for the team. Got us believing in ourselves and playing like champions again. Brilliant. The other stuff with the FA needs to be managed very carefully. They have a history of picking on the smaller clubs, and ....yes I know it was the football league before but the men in suits that run football are all the same...they would take great delight in eventually docking us points. Please...lets take a pace back. Continually puffing out the chest and taking them on might work if you're Man United, but just won't work if you're Swindon. We're destined to go up as champions and I will be sitting here remeberinf the home game agaisnt Chester under Lou Macari (yes I'm an old ****)- in absolute envy of all that are there on that fantastic day. Lets not give the suits the excuse they are looking for to deny us that. ftb swindon till I die Brisbane Aus

SAPFanSTFC wrote:

Oi Den! wrote:

SAPFanSTFC wrote:

Oi Den! wrote:

old town robin wrote:

the gardener wrote:

RRobin69 wrote:

Joeyeah_right wrote: Surely it's the ref who should be fined? As surely it is the letter of the law that as the defender who brought down Billy was the "last man", then it's a straight red card? And how did they manage to find the time to get this fine sorted for us when they haven't yet sorted out their decision on that Fat Creepy F**cker Evans who was sent to the stands last week? One rule for STFC and one rule for everyone else...

It's been posted/commented several times, but for the avoidance of doubt (again) the referees decision regarding the Bodin foul was spot on. The 'last man' rule does not exist - the rule is that a red card is given if the foul prevents an obvious goal scoring opportunity. Given that Billy was on the half way line, it was not an obvious (with that being the key word) goal scoring opportunity. Therefore, the surrounding of the referree by our players was unnecessary, hence the token fine. Totally agree though that the actions of Evans and his clown though the whole 90 minutes warrant a far greater punishment than PDC has received this season.

Hi RRobin69 Do you know what the parameters are for the prevention of an obvious goal scoring opportunity? I have seen players run half the length of a pitch and score single-handed and on the other side of the argument seen open goal sitters missed from 3 - 5 yards out. Is it down to each individual Referee to 'Use common sense' or are there guidelines in place. Interesting to know your thoughts cos I naively thought there was a last man rule. (Shouldn't spend so much time listening to pundits on the telly i guess!) Thanks for any clarity on the situation.

Forget about the incident being last man or goal scoring chance, It was clearly a cynical professional foul and Davies should have gone for that offence the same as any player making a rugby tackle or deliberate hand ball to stop a team offensive, if a decent referee believes the defender has denied an attack by unfair means, it has to be red in my opinion. With regards to the melee following the offence, I thought the ref brought it all on himself, in all my years of supporting town I find hard it to remember any ref as bad as Haywood in the first half and never have I heard our fans so enraged with him, their time wasting, theatrics on and off the field. Without doubt the most unsporting team I have seen at the County Ground since the last time a Crawley 11 visited us. if the ref had any control of the game he would have taken action on the melee after the assault on McCormack, but he did nothing. I would like to know who and what the accessor was assessing.

OTR, this is not really about whether it should have been a red card or a yellow card. Our players surrounded the referee before he had produced a card. That's the offence and that's what we've been punished for. . But your point about the red card does not stand up. I've just had a look at the Laws of the Game on the FA's website. It is not in the referee's power to send a player off for a cynical professional foul if that foul does not prevent an obvious goalscoring opportunity. You may argue, as others have, that it was an obvious goalscoring opportunity but the fact is that the ref has to consider the distance between the incident and the goal. He obviously took the view that a foul on the halfway line is not a sufficiently clear case of preventing a goalscoring opportunity - and I would agree. . We are a good team with a good manager. We do not need to resort to these Man Utd inspired tactics. . I also think we need to get away from this "victim" mentality. So far the FA's punishments have been: . PDC - 1st offence: no ban PDC - 2nd offence: 1 match ban PDC - 3rd offence: 2 match ban Club collectively for players surrounding ref: £1,000 fine I think most neutrals would see that as pretty fair. . Lastly OTR, you talk about Crawley being an unsporting team. You may be right - but I couldn't care less about them. There is nothing more unsporting than trying to get a fellow pro red carded. Anyone who thinks otherwise has a very different idea from mine about how the game should be played.

What you are missing Oi Den (and I've got to believe you're on the anti-PDC side as I've never seen a positive commnet from you) is that what the OTHER managers get away with..do you and the other anti-PDC brigade not understand this element of life? .. Do you believe that Sweaty behaved as well as our normal reaction?..or are you totally blind to his actions|?

Do NOT tell me I'm anti-PDC. That is an inaccurate and scurrillous accusation. When I have calmed down, I will remind you of the many positive comments I've made.

Scurrulous..oh dear..well I beg to differ Sir. -- Do you believe that Sweaty Evans behaved in a manner according to a manager!? -- If not do you believe he should have been charged!? -- Just answer those two questions first please? -- and then produce the evidence that you post regular positive comments and I'll bow down gladly .. I don't believe you'll meet the above though so a bit of a non-event really..

the wizard wrote:

Malkym wrote: Right chaps I'm going to nail this here and now re - red/yellow. What follows is an extract from an online article about Stuart Atwell being demoted to the FL for a series of gaffes reffing in the Prem. I quote:- His most recent high-profile gaffe came last December when he dismissed Bolton's Gary Cahill (now with Chelsea) for denying Scott Parker a goalscoring opportunity despite the incident happening near the halfway line. That red card was later rescinded and the company that supplies English football with referees then decided he would be better off continuing to learn his trade in the Football League" end quote. Here's the link :- http://uk.eurosport. yahoo.com/16022012/5 8/premier-league-att well-demoted-premier -league-list.html This fully backs up RRobin 69 comments above and Den's -quote "I've just had a look at the Laws of the Game on the FA's website. It is not in the referee's power to send a player off for a cynical professional foul if that foul does not prevent an obvious goalscoring opportunity. You may argue, as others have, that it was an obvious goalscoring opportunity but the fact is that the ref has to consider the distance between the incident and the goal. He obviously took the view that a foul on the halfway line is not a sufficiently clear case of preventing a goalscoring opportunity - and I would agree" end quote. SAP with the utmost respect your comment re Den being negative was utter total b0llocks because for a start in the very same post I am referring to he says "we are a good club with a good manager" -surely that's positive enough for you isn't it? I don't know but I think what might rankle with you,and I stand to be corrected but I think you've said as much is that Den plays the Boycott bat straight down the middle and does not just see things from the biased fan viewpoint aka via those coloured lenses. I too - maybe its an age thing - tend to see both sides of the coin and in the light of the Atwell quote above you'd have to say Den was spot on wouldn't you? I can assure you that there is no more passionate fan than Oi Den - having stood alongside him at the campaign to get us reinstated to Div 1 after the demotion and countless letters to the FL - I can vouch for that. As he says his posts are often praiseworthy of the PDC ideology and I'm sorry but I think you're off the beam here. Off topic to answer your Harwell q's and to save time - AERE 1968-74 Chemistry Div B.220 and also 429,10.5 & 540 just across the road from 220. Cheers.

Just my view The tackle in question anywhere on the park was a red. Dougie got sent off before for a tackle that was no where near as bad as the one in question, and that is my point. View the tackle in its own right irrespective of where it occurred. Maybe the ref thought a yellow and a strong word was enough, but if you then set that as the marker for the game, a standard if you like, it gave Crawley free licence to virtual combat. The bar was set too high. His reaction to Crawley's tactics should have happened a lot earlier in the game and he should have set his stall on what was always going to be a strongly contested match. Had he been firm from the outset and stood for none of their earlier nonsense then this would not have happened. fact of the matter is he was weak from the outset. This is the difference between most of the refs we get, as opposed to the stricter no nonsense Pierluigi Collina type of guys, no sh#t from the outset, I'm in charge and I have cards to prove it and I will use them, so keep it clean, use your skill, and let us all enjoy the game. Huge shame we can't clone him, had Evans gone to his room Collina would have had him removed probably, end of.

Malkym wrote:
SAP as further evidence of Den's positivity -from his post @11.17 "Fabulous Italian PDC certainly is. I love his enthusiasm and the way that enthusiasm galvanises us fans" Isn't that also positive enough? Den will surely fight his own corner in due course but I felt it only fair and equitable to redress the balance. Might there just be faint signs of a bow coming on?