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Swindon Town striker closing in on Torquay switch

Swindon Advertiser: Billy Bodin Billy Bodin

SWINDON striker Billy Bodin is close to finalising his proposed switch to Torquay as the two clubs are near to agreeing a fee for the 20-year-old, the Advertiser understands.

Bodin, who enjoyed a spell on loan at Plainmoor last term, has been on Gulls manager Martin Ling’s wish-list for some time and Ling is believed to have submitted several bids for his services during the off-season.

An offer of around £40,000 is understood to have been turned down by Town around 10 days ago, but the Adver has learnt that the two clubs are close to settling for a fee in the region of £70,000.

Bodin, who has interested several clubs across League One and League Two this summer, appears to be surplus to Swindon manager Paolo Di Canio’s plans for the coming campaign – despite having been offered a new deal with the Robins.

The Welshman did not travel to Italy with the rest of the first-team squad on Sunday.

Meanwhile, Town began their pre-season tour of Italy yesterday.

The team flew to Verona from Gatwick before transferring to their hotel on the edge of Lake Garda.

The Robins will spend a fortnight in Di Canio’s native country and play two matches – one on Thursday of this week and the other next Wednesday.

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6:12am Mon 2 Jul 12

Rebel_phish says...

This has been on the cards for quite a while now... will he, wont he...

I will be sad to see Billie go, but if he feels its the right thing to further his career then good for him, all the best to him.

At least his move wont come back to haunt us, (well not in the league) for some years to come, as The Gulls try to play catch-up with us.

Thanks for your service and that wonder goal straight from the trow-in against Daggers.
This has been on the cards for quite a while now... will he, wont he... I will be sad to see Billie go, but if he feels its the right thing to further his career then good for him, all the best to him. At least his move wont come back to haunt us, (well not in the league) for some years to come, as The Gulls try to play catch-up with us. Thanks for your service and that wonder goal straight from the trow-in against Daggers. Rebel_phish
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6:33am Mon 2 Jul 12

Redhouse Red says...

Good luck to him

He wanted a guaranteed starting place each week. Torquay should be able to provide that.

He is a talented you guy, no question, but he simply wasn't experienced, prolific or strong enough to lead the towns challenge for back to back promotion.
Good luck to him He wanted a guaranteed starting place each week. Torquay should be able to provide that. He is a talented you guy, no question, but he simply wasn't experienced, prolific or strong enough to lead the towns challenge for back to back promotion. Redhouse Red
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7:42am Mon 2 Jul 12

Wilesy says...

Probably the best for all parties being realistic. Hopefully there will be a sell on clause agreed as he clearly has talent and you never know.
Probably the best for all parties being realistic. Hopefully there will be a sell on clause agreed as he clearly has talent and you never know. Wilesy
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8:03am Mon 2 Jul 12

Northern Red says...

I'd be happy for him to for free, but with a 50% sell on clause....
I'd be happy for him to for free, but with a 50% sell on clause.... Northern Red
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8:17am Mon 2 Jul 12

London Red says...

I agree I hope this negotiating over £30k is not at the expense of a sell-on or buy-back clause
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As if he does fulfill his potential and secures a big money move for L2 (£500-750k) a decent sell on of 20-25% would be worth £100-175k (a tad more than £30k)
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As poor as Tribunals are at setting initial fees they do normally add in sell-ons to ensure the players current club benefit if they really are a gem
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Still not convinced it is the best move for him - yes he will get more game time now
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But - Torquay are not going to challenge next year - they have lost 2 of their stars and fully expect the 3rd to go

So is playing for a mid table L2 club better than learning your trade at a forward moving club?
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Guess we will see in 2015 where he is
I agree I hope this negotiating over £30k is not at the expense of a sell-on or buy-back clause . As if he does fulfill his potential and secures a big money move for L2 (£500-750k) a decent sell on of 20-25% would be worth £100-175k (a tad more than £30k) . As poor as Tribunals are at setting initial fees they do normally add in sell-ons to ensure the players current club benefit if they really are a gem . Still not convinced it is the best move for him - yes he will get more game time now . But - Torquay are not going to challenge next year - they have lost 2 of their stars and fully expect the 3rd to go So is playing for a mid table L2 club better than learning your trade at a forward moving club? . Guess we will see in 2015 where he is London Red
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8:21am Mon 2 Jul 12

Stratton Red says...

Real shame, I think Bodin was short changed last season and would have preferred seeing him given more game time than Murray.
*
Best of luck Billy.
Real shame, I think Bodin was short changed last season and would have preferred seeing him given more game time than Murray. * Best of luck Billy. Stratton Red
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8:35am Mon 2 Jul 12

the wizard says...

Initially I was all for Billy Bodin, however as time has flowed I have become confused by some of his decisions.

Leaving what is now a League One club with very potent desires to become a Championship club in 12 months, for a much smaller club in League Two hardly portrays ambition to me, even if he will get more time out on the turf.
He would have learned more from seasoned players here in training and then perhaps a loan out at a higher level, rather than remaining in L2. I wish him luck, but I strongly question his decision making ability. The grass always looks greener on the other side.
Initially I was all for Billy Bodin, however as time has flowed I have become confused by some of his decisions. Leaving what is now a League One club with very potent desires to become a Championship club in 12 months, for a much smaller club in League Two hardly portrays ambition to me, even if he will get more time out on the turf. He would have learned more from seasoned players here in training and then perhaps a loan out at a higher level, rather than remaining in L2. I wish him luck, but I strongly question his decision making ability. The grass always looks greener on the other side. the wizard
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8:47am Mon 2 Jul 12

CraigClark says...

Rebel_phish wrote:
This has been on the cards for quite a while now... will he, wont he...

I will be sad to see Billie go, but if he feels its the right thing to further his career then good for him, all the best to him.

At least his move wont come back to haunt us, (well not in the league) for some years to come, as The Gulls try to play catch-up with us.

Thanks for your service and that wonder goal straight from the trow-in against Daggers.
Not against Crawley Rebel?
[quote][p][bold]Rebel_phish[/bold] wrote: This has been on the cards for quite a while now... will he, wont he... I will be sad to see Billie go, but if he feels its the right thing to further his career then good for him, all the best to him. At least his move wont come back to haunt us, (well not in the league) for some years to come, as The Gulls try to play catch-up with us. Thanks for your service and that wonder goal straight from the trow-in against Daggers.[/p][/quote]Not against Crawley Rebel? CraigClark
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9:11am Mon 2 Jul 12

London Red says...

I don't think he was short changed last year - he was in his first real season as a pro and was not ready to challenge for a starting spot - hardly anyone said they wanted him as our main striker last pre-season or August!
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He was therefore, loaned out to gain experince - like lots of young players are - and it worked he came back better
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I agree with Wiz as I have said above strange move and doesn't smack ambition
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I think he should have gone into PdC office and said I don't want to go out on loan this year I want to be part of the main group and fight for a place - can you guarantee me that
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The answer probably would have been yes - he could have then signed and developed
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If it had been no - then he would have been justifed in leaving as he was obviously not in our plans full stop
I don't think he was short changed last year - he was in his first real season as a pro and was not ready to challenge for a starting spot - hardly anyone said they wanted him as our main striker last pre-season or August! . He was therefore, loaned out to gain experince - like lots of young players are - and it worked he came back better . I agree with Wiz as I have said above strange move and doesn't smack ambition . I think he should have gone into PdC office and said I don't want to go out on loan this year I want to be part of the main group and fight for a place - can you guarantee me that . The answer probably would have been yes - he could have then signed and developed . If it had been no - then he would have been justifed in leaving as he was obviously not in our plans full stop London Red
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9:24am Mon 2 Jul 12

Rebel_phish says...

CraigClark wrote:
Rebel_phish wrote:
This has been on the cards for quite a while now... will he, wont he...

I will be sad to see Billie go, but if he feels its the right thing to further his career then good for him, all the best to him.

At least his move wont come back to haunt us, (well not in the league) for some years to come, as The Gulls try to play catch-up with us.

Thanks for your service and that wonder goal straight from the trow-in against Daggers.
Not against Crawley Rebel?
You know, as soon as I posted the comment I thought - bug**r, was it Daggers or Crawley.

Then, Hey-hoe, if I'm right - no harm done. If not, then as sure as god made little green apples, someone will correct me.
[quote][p][bold]CraigClark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rebel_phish[/bold] wrote: This has been on the cards for quite a while now... will he, wont he... I will be sad to see Billie go, but if he feels its the right thing to further his career then good for him, all the best to him. At least his move wont come back to haunt us, (well not in the league) for some years to come, as The Gulls try to play catch-up with us. Thanks for your service and that wonder goal straight from the trow-in against Daggers.[/p][/quote]Not against Crawley Rebel?[/p][/quote]You know, as soon as I posted the comment I thought - bug**r, was it Daggers or Crawley. Then, Hey-hoe, if I'm right - no harm done. If not, then as sure as god made little green apples, someone will correct me. Rebel_phish
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9:32am Mon 2 Jul 12

the wizard says...

LR,

While agreeing probably with everything said buy everybody there is another element to this.

Surely a lot of this is down to the fact that Wray has given PDC a straight mandate. Get this club into the Championship, and do it so we stay there with a decent squad. Now for his part PDC has delivered Phase One, getting us out of League Two.
Now somewhere along the line both parties would have had meetings before the end of this last season and decided who was going, and who was needed in their place. We are now starting Phase Two, getting us out of League One and into the championship. Wray has clearly said, "no room for sentiment" and words along the lines of, some favourites leaving, but for the greater good of the club.

Now, Bodin fell somewhere in the middle of all of that. Probably seen as 50/50 as to whether he has it in him to make the grade, so he was offered a contract, by a club who this time next year, will be looking to recruit again. Bodin could have been part of that main stay, getting odd games and basically playing for a Championship club. Not necessarily a Championship grade player, YET. He has chosen to blow that chance, perhaps he feels he hasn't got it in him, or does he not want the hard work demanded by PDC, strange decision.
If he is going to do anything about furthering his career, then I think he will go the same way as his father and become a late developer, possibly.
LR, While agreeing probably with everything said buy everybody there is another element to this. Surely a lot of this is down to the fact that Wray has given PDC a straight mandate. Get this club into the Championship, and do it so we stay there with a decent squad. Now for his part PDC has delivered Phase One, getting us out of League Two. Now somewhere along the line both parties would have had meetings before the end of this last season and decided who was going, and who was needed in their place. We are now starting Phase Two, getting us out of League One and into the championship. Wray has clearly said, "no room for sentiment" and words along the lines of, some favourites leaving, but for the greater good of the club. Now, Bodin fell somewhere in the middle of all of that. Probably seen as 50/50 as to whether he has it in him to make the grade, so he was offered a contract, by a club who this time next year, will be looking to recruit again. Bodin could have been part of that main stay, getting odd games and basically playing for a Championship club. Not necessarily a Championship grade player, YET. He has chosen to blow that chance, perhaps he feels he hasn't got it in him, or does he not want the hard work demanded by PDC, strange decision. If he is going to do anything about furthering his career, then I think he will go the same way as his father and become a late developer, possibly. the wizard
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9:46am Mon 2 Jul 12

dreamofacleansheet2 says...

I'm not sure I agree with the consensus on here. Sad to see him go, but must surely be better to get game time in one place rather than being moved from pillar to post. Anyone want to ask Bostock how he got on at his previous loan placements.

Everyone needs to feel wanted. Lingy clearly wants him, he can go, get a house, settle, get his head down and see if he can make it as a player.

I wish him all the best.
I'm not sure I agree with the consensus on here. Sad to see him go, but must surely be better to get game time in one place rather than being moved from pillar to post. Anyone want to ask Bostock how he got on at his previous loan placements. Everyone needs to feel wanted. Lingy clearly wants him, he can go, get a house, settle, get his head down and see if he can make it as a player. I wish him all the best. dreamofacleansheet2
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10:08am Mon 2 Jul 12

Psychedelic Syd says...

No surprise here but will be sorry to see him go as I still think he will go on to bigger things. Hope there is a sell on clause because even £70k isn't much of a return. Good luck Billy, hope you do well in the future.
No surprise here but will be sorry to see him go as I still think he will go on to bigger things. Hope there is a sell on clause because even £70k isn't much of a return. Good luck Billy, hope you do well in the future. Psychedelic Syd
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10:21am Mon 2 Jul 12

Since 1950 says...

Probably the best move for him as it does give him stability and a first team place under Lingy. Perhaps he believes he can prove himself at Torquay and move on to a better club from there. Good luck to the lad.
Probably the best move for him as it does give him stability and a first team place under Lingy. Perhaps he believes he can prove himself at Torquay and move on to a better club from there. Good luck to the lad. Since 1950
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10:21am Mon 2 Jul 12

hertz says...

I don't think his Dad has a new contarct yet , must be a lot of uncertainty in the Bodin household .
I don't think his Dad has a new contarct yet , must be a lot of uncertainty in the Bodin household . hertz
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10:54am Mon 2 Jul 12

Devon Red says...

Think you are right 1950, I guess he thinks he will shine down here in a team that will not do so well as they did last season. Having sold Robertson, Ellis and Olejnik Torquay will struggle although Gulls fans seem to think Ling has already brought in suitable replacements. I watch Torquay when I can't make it up the M5 so it will be interesting to see how Bodin gets on.
Think you are right 1950, I guess he thinks he will shine down here in a team that will not do so well as they did last season. Having sold Robertson, Ellis and Olejnik Torquay will struggle although Gulls fans seem to think Ling has already brought in suitable replacements. I watch Torquay when I can't make it up the M5 so it will be interesting to see how Bodin gets on. Devon Red
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11:39am Mon 2 Jul 12

AdderB says...

Thought the wonder goal Billy got was against Crawley in the Stratton Bank Goal.
Good luck to Billy and Alan Connel who seem to be leaving . I hope PDC's judgement proves right with these guys. Bring on Div1 .
Thought the wonder goal Billy got was against Crawley in the Stratton Bank Goal. Good luck to Billy and Alan Connel who seem to be leaving . I hope PDC's judgement proves right with these guys. Bring on Div1 . AdderB
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11:50am Mon 2 Jul 12

Oi Den! says...

London Red wrote:
I agree I hope this negotiating over £30k is not at the expense of a sell-on or buy-back clause
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As if he does fulfill his potential and secures a big money move for L2 (£500-750k) a decent sell on of 20-25% would be worth £100-175k (a tad more than £30k)
.
As poor as Tribunals are at setting initial fees they do normally add in sell-ons to ensure the players current club benefit if they really are a gem
.
Still not convinced it is the best move for him - yes he will get more game time now
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But - Torquay are not going to challenge next year - they have lost 2 of their stars and fully expect the 3rd to go

So is playing for a mid table L2 club better than learning your trade at a forward moving club?
.
Guess we will see in 2015 where he is
LR, when one of our young players moves to a big club with the stated aim of helping him to develop, there is a lot of moaning on here (including from me) about it. We argue that it's better to stay here and play an important part at a club than move higher and get no games. So how can we now say the opposite and suggest that Bodin should stay here and be on the fringe of things? I don't think his move shows a lack ambition at all. I believe it's the best thing he can do for himself in all the circumstances. The offer of a new contract was probably an insurance policy for us more than anything else anyway. PDC doesn't seem too bothered about losing him.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: I agree I hope this negotiating over £30k is not at the expense of a sell-on or buy-back clause . As if he does fulfill his potential and secures a big money move for L2 (£500-750k) a decent sell on of 20-25% would be worth £100-175k (a tad more than £30k) . As poor as Tribunals are at setting initial fees they do normally add in sell-ons to ensure the players current club benefit if they really are a gem . Still not convinced it is the best move for him - yes he will get more game time now . But - Torquay are not going to challenge next year - they have lost 2 of their stars and fully expect the 3rd to go So is playing for a mid table L2 club better than learning your trade at a forward moving club? . Guess we will see in 2015 where he is[/p][/quote]LR, when one of our young players moves to a big club with the stated aim of helping him to develop, there is a lot of moaning on here (including from me) about it. We argue that it's better to stay here and play an important part at a club than move higher and get no games. So how can we now say the opposite and suggest that Bodin should stay here and be on the fringe of things? I don't think his move shows a lack ambition at all. I believe it's the best thing he can do for himself in all the circumstances. The offer of a new contract was probably an insurance policy for us more than anything else anyway. PDC doesn't seem too bothered about losing him. Oi Den!
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12:15pm Mon 2 Jul 12

Is that you Lovesey says...

I am pleased for BB, but 70k doesn't seem a lot for me !! I hope we have a sell on clause because a year in Torquay and young BB will be moving on again for a large sum...
I am pleased for BB, but 70k doesn't seem a lot for me !! I hope we have a sell on clause because a year in Torquay and young BB will be moving on again for a large sum... Is that you Lovesey
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12:56pm Mon 2 Jul 12

London Red says...

Den - I do understand that view point and logic
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However, when we moan about the younger kids moving on we are talking about them going to a club where they are nowhere near the first team
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That is not the case here
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Billy made 9 starts and a couple of sub appearances - which for the actual games he was available to play for STFC was a pretty high percentage
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I also don't agree we only offered him a deal as an insurance either - as if our insurance was a massive £70k - why didn't we just sell him in Jan?
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I'm pretty certain we could have got at least £50k with added extras like goals scored, promotion, international caps and sell-ons etc at that time
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I honestly believe PdC would have liked him in the squad this season if he had shown the right maturity and attitude - like he wants Thompson in there
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I personally believe the demanding of a starting spot (misprepesented in the press or not) burnt those bridges - which is why PdC has planned the current campaign witout him in mind
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His interview on the BBC about Billy's maturity clear backs this up
Den - I do understand that view point and logic . However, when we moan about the younger kids moving on we are talking about them going to a club where they are nowhere near the first team . That is not the case here . Billy made 9 starts and a couple of sub appearances - which for the actual games he was available to play for STFC was a pretty high percentage . I also don't agree we only offered him a deal as an insurance either - as if our insurance was a massive £70k - why didn't we just sell him in Jan? . I'm pretty certain we could have got at least £50k with added extras like goals scored, promotion, international caps and sell-ons etc at that time . I honestly believe PdC would have liked him in the squad this season if he had shown the right maturity and attitude - like he wants Thompson in there . I personally believe the demanding of a starting spot (misprepesented in the press or not) burnt those bridges - which is why PdC has planned the current campaign witout him in mind . His interview on the BBC about Billy's maturity clear backs this up London Red
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1:04pm Mon 2 Jul 12

MITTED says...

Don't be surprised if his dad moves to Devon also......
Don't be surprised if his dad moves to Devon also...... MITTED
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1:06pm Mon 2 Jul 12

Wilesy says...

Since 1950 wrote:
Probably the best move for him as it does give him stability and a first team place under Lingy. Perhaps he believes he can prove himself at Torquay and move on to a better club from there. Good luck to the lad.
That's the key point - he will get a first team place at Torquay. Whether he gets a better move is then up to how he performs. More chance if playing regularly....

I'm not surprised at the move. Paolo had a look at him in the summer, gave him a few games then loaned him out. Then he returned in Jan, Paolo gave him a few games and although he had improved it wasn't enough so he got loaned out. With the arrival of the new strikers and the great form of Benson it must be fairly clear to Bodin he's 4th choice at best. So his option is 4th choice at Swindon or 1st choice at Torquay. Hmm.....

Good luck to him as many have said.
[quote][p][bold]Since 1950[/bold] wrote: Probably the best move for him as it does give him stability and a first team place under Lingy. Perhaps he believes he can prove himself at Torquay and move on to a better club from there. Good luck to the lad.[/p][/quote]That's the key point - he will get a first team place at Torquay. Whether he gets a better move is then up to how he performs. More chance if playing regularly.... I'm not surprised at the move. Paolo had a look at him in the summer, gave him a few games then loaned him out. Then he returned in Jan, Paolo gave him a few games and although he had improved it wasn't enough so he got loaned out. With the arrival of the new strikers and the great form of Benson it must be fairly clear to Bodin he's 4th choice at best. So his option is 4th choice at Swindon or 1st choice at Torquay. Hmm..... Good luck to him as many have said. Wilesy
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1:34pm Mon 2 Jul 12

RamsburyRed says...

A pity as I think the player has a bright future but it seems this is what both parties want.
*
As long as we get the add-ons and sell-on I don't think the initial fee is too critical.
A pity as I think the player has a bright future but it seems this is what both parties want. * As long as we get the add-ons and sell-on I don't think the initial fee is too critical. RamsburyRed
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1:36pm Mon 2 Jul 12

the wizard says...

MITTED wrote:
Don't be surprised if his dad moves to Devon also......
Exactly, I said that some weeks ago and got shot down for it by some, however I still see it as a possibility, and wouldn't rule it out.
Big shame if it happens, our loss, but PDC was far from complementary about the youth set up especially during "drink gate".
[quote][p][bold]MITTED[/bold] wrote: Don't be surprised if his dad moves to Devon also......[/p][/quote]Exactly, I said that some weeks ago and got shot down for it by some, however I still see it as a possibility, and wouldn't rule it out. Big shame if it happens, our loss, but PDC was far from complementary about the youth set up especially during "drink gate". the wizard
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2:41pm Mon 2 Jul 12

35yrRED says...

I see that the Sheff Utd Forum is awash with rumours that Wilson has walked!!!
I see that the Sheff Utd Forum is awash with rumours that Wilson has walked!!! 35yrRED
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2:51pm Mon 2 Jul 12

ya mums got facial hair says...

RING RING
Hello
Is datta you Paul?
Yes who's speaking?.
It'sa BOMBA.
I justy wondered would you likee to signa for mea?. I will garantee you a gamea every weeka.
What team?.
Never a mindee wodda a teama.
If you turny upa on thurdaye we havea gamea against my deara friendy call a paolo di canio, a true gentleman who strivesa fora classa players and a ditchesa the poora onesa.
My Good frienda paolo says he willa win the leaguea this season.
I am struggling fora players toa playa thema, I Havva fewwa players whoa mya agenta has sent to play. Toppa playersa hea tolda me
Lanzano,coxsa,magera
,kerrouche,Clarkea,c
ommazi,tehouea, alla verya gooda players my agenta mr jeremy wraya advised mea on bringinga to mya footballa cluba.
Canna you make ita fora thursdaya?
Sorry BOMBA but my dad says I must fight against relegation for turkey.but thanks for inviting me, sounds like an excellent squad you have put together
Goodbye
Goodbyea mra bodina
RING RING Hello Is datta you Paul? Yes who's speaking?. It'sa BOMBA. I justy wondered would you likee to signa for mea?. I will garantee you a gamea every weeka. What team?. Never a mindee wodda a teama. If you turny upa on thurdaye we havea gamea against my deara friendy call a paolo di canio, a true gentleman who strivesa fora classa players and a ditchesa the poora onesa. My Good frienda paolo says he willa win the leaguea this season. I am struggling fora players toa playa thema, I Havva fewwa players whoa mya agenta has sent to play. Toppa playersa hea tolda me Lanzano,coxsa,magera ,kerrouche,Clarkea,c ommazi,tehouea, alla verya gooda players my agenta mr jeremy wraya advised mea on bringinga to mya footballa cluba. Canna you make ita fora thursdaya? Sorry BOMBA but my dad says I must fight against relegation for turkey.but thanks for inviting me, sounds like an excellent squad you have put together Goodbye Goodbyea mra bodina ya mums got facial hair
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3:46pm Mon 2 Jul 12

the wizard says...

One for the boys,

Fast forward to 2014
..... it is just before England v Brazil at the next World Cup Group. Kaka goes into the Brazilian changing room to find all his teammates looking a bit glum.
"What's up?" he asks.
"Well, we're having trouble getting motivated for this game. We know it's important but it's only England. They're rubbish and we can't be bothered".

Kaka looks at them and says "Well, I reckon I can beat these by myself, you lads go down the pub."
So Kaka goes out to play England by himself and the rest of the Brazilian team go off for a few jars.

After a few pints they wonder how the game is going, so they get the landlord to put the TV on. A big cheer goes up as the screen reads "Brazil 1 - England 0
(Kaka 10minutes)". He is beating England all by himself!
Anyway, a few more pints later and the game is forgotten until someone remembers "It must be full time now, let's see how he got on". They put the teletext on.
"Result from the Stadium "Brazil 1 (Kaka 10 minutes) - England 1 (Walcott 89 minutes)".
They can't believe it, he has single handedly got a draw against England!! They rush back to the Stadium to congratulate him. They find him in the dressing room,
still in his gear, sat with his head in his hands.

He refuses to look at them. "I've let you down, I've let you down."
"Don't be daft, you got a draw against England, all by yourself. And they only scored at the very, very end!"
"No, No, I have, I've let you down...
I got sent off after 12 minutes"
One for the boys, Fast forward to 2014 ..... it is just before England v Brazil at the next World Cup Group. Kaka goes into the Brazilian changing room to find all his teammates looking a bit glum. "What's up?" he asks. "Well, we're having trouble getting motivated for this game. We know it's important but it's only England. They're rubbish and we can't be bothered". Kaka looks at them and says "Well, I reckon I can beat these by myself, you lads go down the pub." So Kaka goes out to play England by himself and the rest of the Brazilian team go off for a few jars. After a few pints they wonder how the game is going, so they get the landlord to put the TV on. A big cheer goes up as the screen reads "Brazil 1 - England 0 (Kaka 10minutes)". He is beating England all by himself! Anyway, a few more pints later and the game is forgotten until someone remembers "It must be full time now, let's see how he got on". They put the teletext on. "Result from the Stadium "Brazil 1 (Kaka 10 minutes) - England 1 (Walcott 89 minutes)". They can't believe it, he has single handedly got a draw against England!! They rush back to the Stadium to congratulate him. They find him in the dressing room, still in his gear, sat with his head in his hands. He refuses to look at them. "I've let you down, I've let you down." "Don't be daft, you got a draw against England, all by yourself. And they only scored at the very, very end!" "No, No, I have, I've let you down... I got sent off after 12 minutes" the wizard
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4:30pm Mon 2 Jul 12

Malkym says...

MITTED wrote:
Don't be surprised if his dad moves to Devon also......
MM!! must admit to similar thoughts!
[quote][p][bold]MITTED[/bold] wrote: Don't be surprised if his dad moves to Devon also......[/p][/quote]MM!! must admit to similar thoughts! Malkym
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4:34pm Mon 2 Jul 12

Malkym says...

ya mums got facial hair says...
2:51pm Mon 2 Jul 12

10/10 for imagination!
ya mums got facial hair says... 2:51pm Mon 2 Jul 12 10/10 for imagination! Malkym
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5:08pm Mon 2 Jul 12

old town robin says...

On another subject team GB 18 named this afternoon. Not sure what Wes will have to do to get recognised for under 21's, but this fella Butland seems to have the edge, after being called up for the Euros, even though what I saw of him for Cheltenham he's no better, Could it be him and Steele play for championship clubs, don't thin kButland has played at that level yet, how can Birmingham price him at £6 million. If your face fits comes to mind. Just hope Wes proves a few wrong this season with more clean sheets.
On another subject team GB 18 named this afternoon. Not sure what Wes will have to do to get recognised for under 21's, but this fella Butland seems to have the edge, after being called up for the Euros, even though what I saw of him for Cheltenham he's no better, Could it be him and Steele play for championship clubs, don't thin kButland has played at that level yet, how can Birmingham price him at £6 million. If your face fits comes to mind. Just hope Wes proves a few wrong this season with more clean sheets. old town robin
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8:26pm Mon 2 Jul 12

Stratton Red says...

London Red wrote:
I don't think he was short changed last year - he was in his first real season as a pro and was not ready to challenge for a starting spot - hardly anyone said they wanted him as our main striker last pre-season or August! . He was therefore, loaned out to gain experince - like lots of young players are - and it worked he came back better . I agree with Wiz as I have said above strange move and doesn't smack ambition . I think he should have gone into PdC office and said I don't want to go out on loan this year I want to be part of the main group and fight for a place - can you guarantee me that . The answer probably would have been yes - he could have then signed and developed . If it had been no - then he would have been justifed in leaving as he was obviously not in our plans full stop
He was short changed. I don't see the point in loaning out a good young prospect to gain experience out only to bring in another young loanee to gain experience, especially when he's not as good as the player you're loaning out!...
*
I think this is a good move for BB and I hope he makes a great success of it and we've a 50% sell on clause.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: I don't think he was short changed last year - he was in his first real season as a pro and was not ready to challenge for a starting spot - hardly anyone said they wanted him as our main striker last pre-season or August! . He was therefore, loaned out to gain experince - like lots of young players are - and it worked he came back better . I agree with Wiz as I have said above strange move and doesn't smack ambition . I think he should have gone into PdC office and said I don't want to go out on loan this year I want to be part of the main group and fight for a place - can you guarantee me that . The answer probably would have been yes - he could have then signed and developed . If it had been no - then he would have been justifed in leaving as he was obviously not in our plans full stop[/p][/quote]He was short changed. I don't see the point in loaning out a good young prospect to gain experience out only to bring in another young loanee to gain experience, especially when he's not as good as the player you're loaning out!... * I think this is a good move for BB and I hope he makes a great success of it and we've a 50% sell on clause. Stratton Red
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10:07pm Mon 2 Jul 12

wiltshirered64 says...

Stratton Red wrote:
London Red wrote:
I don't think he was short changed last year - he was in his first real season as a pro and was not ready to challenge for a starting spot - hardly anyone said they wanted him as our main striker last pre-season or August! . He was therefore, loaned out to gain experince - like lots of young players are - and it worked he came back better . I agree with Wiz as I have said above strange move and doesn't smack ambition . I think he should have gone into PdC office and said I don't want to go out on loan this year I want to be part of the main group and fight for a place - can you guarantee me that . The answer probably would have been yes - he could have then signed and developed . If it had been no - then he would have been justifed in leaving as he was obviously not in our plans full stop
He was short changed. I don't see the point in loaning out a good young prospect to gain experience out only to bring in another young loanee to gain experience, especially when he's not as good as the player you're loaning out!...
*
I think this is a good move for BB and I hope he makes a great success of it and we've a 50% sell on clause.
Totally agree SR why bring in Murray and loan out bodin to a club in the same league, you give your own a chance first. LR slight contraindications in your statement regarding loan players, if that was the club or managers ethos loan out players that have potential to gain experience and come back a better experienced player then why didn't Thompson go out and get 20 games or so rather then do nothing last season, players at his age need to be playing therefore bodin brings more experience into the equation yet not a club contender.
[quote][p][bold]Stratton Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: I don't think he was short changed last year - he was in his first real season as a pro and was not ready to challenge for a starting spot - hardly anyone said they wanted him as our main striker last pre-season or August! . He was therefore, loaned out to gain experince - like lots of young players are - and it worked he came back better . I agree with Wiz as I have said above strange move and doesn't smack ambition . I think he should have gone into PdC office and said I don't want to go out on loan this year I want to be part of the main group and fight for a place - can you guarantee me that . The answer probably would have been yes - he could have then signed and developed . If it had been no - then he would have been justifed in leaving as he was obviously not in our plans full stop[/p][/quote]He was short changed. I don't see the point in loaning out a good young prospect to gain experience out only to bring in another young loanee to gain experience, especially when he's not as good as the player you're loaning out!... * I think this is a good move for BB and I hope he makes a great success of it and we've a 50% sell on clause.[/p][/quote]Totally agree SR why bring in Murray and loan out bodin to a club in the same league, you give your own a chance first. LR slight contraindications in your statement regarding loan players, if that was the club or managers ethos loan out players that have potential to gain experience and come back a better experienced player then why didn't Thompson go out and get 20 games or so rather then do nothing last season, players at his age need to be playing therefore bodin brings more experience into the equation yet not a club contender. wiltshirered64
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10:25pm Mon 2 Jul 12

forzaswindon12 says...

I think billy may go onto become a valuble asset , so its a pity we couldnt have given him a season long to loan to torquay instead of selling.
I think billy may go onto become a valuble asset , so its a pity we couldnt have given him a season long to loan to torquay instead of selling. forzaswindon12
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10:28pm Mon 2 Jul 12

forzaswindon12 says...

35yrRED wrote:
I see that the Sheff Utd Forum is awash with rumours that Wilson has walked!!!
why would he walk at this stage of the season? I hope for one he stays and tries to battle it out with us for promotion!
[quote][p][bold]35yrRED[/bold] wrote: I see that the Sheff Utd Forum is awash with rumours that Wilson has walked!!![/p][/quote]why would he walk at this stage of the season? I hope for one he stays and tries to battle it out with us for promotion! forzaswindon12
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10:37pm Mon 2 Jul 12

the wizard says...

Just had a look here and quite quiet, although a bit of philosophy about DW and will he, wont he, but nowt about him walking.

http://www.s24su.com
/forum/index.php
Just had a look here and quite quiet, although a bit of philosophy about DW and will he, wont he, but nowt about him walking. http://www.s24su.com /forum/index.php the wizard
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10:42pm Mon 2 Jul 12

the wizard says...

And these guys are saying it is total bozwillox,

http://boards.footym
ad.net/forum.php?tno
=463&fid=221&sty=2&a
ct=1&mid=2114506095
And these guys are saying it is total bozwillox, http://boards.footym ad.net/forum.php?tno =463&fid=221&sty=2&a ct=1&mid=2114506095 the wizard
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10:45pm Mon 2 Jul 12

old town robin says...

Stratton Red wrote:
London Red wrote:
I don't think he was short changed last year - he was in his first real season as a pro and was not ready to challenge for a starting spot - hardly anyone said they wanted him as our main striker last pre-season or August! . He was therefore, loaned out to gain experince - like lots of young players are - and it worked he came back better . I agree with Wiz as I have said above strange move and doesn't smack ambition . I think he should have gone into PdC office and said I don't want to go out on loan this year I want to be part of the main group and fight for a place - can you guarantee me that . The answer probably would have been yes - he could have then signed and developed . If it had been no - then he would have been justifed in leaving as he was obviously not in our plans full stop
He was short changed. I don't see the point in loaning out a good young prospect to gain experience out only to bring in another young loanee to gain experience, especially when he's not as good as the player you're loaning out!...
*
I think this is a good move for BB and I hope he makes a great success of it and we've a 50% sell on clause.
Well Ipswich were paying Murrays wages, shipping Bodin out got one wage off the books that allowed us to bring in the likes of Benson. We had to keep within the tight 55% wage cap. Don't think the decision was made on ability alone. Bodin was dispensible as he actually did not grab his chance to cement a regular start. He was wanted by other clubs, so it made sense to me if he wasn't going to be playing regular to get experience elsewhere.
[quote][p][bold]Stratton Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: I don't think he was short changed last year - he was in his first real season as a pro and was not ready to challenge for a starting spot - hardly anyone said they wanted him as our main striker last pre-season or August! . He was therefore, loaned out to gain experince - like lots of young players are - and it worked he came back better . I agree with Wiz as I have said above strange move and doesn't smack ambition . I think he should have gone into PdC office and said I don't want to go out on loan this year I want to be part of the main group and fight for a place - can you guarantee me that . The answer probably would have been yes - he could have then signed and developed . If it had been no - then he would have been justifed in leaving as he was obviously not in our plans full stop[/p][/quote]He was short changed. I don't see the point in loaning out a good young prospect to gain experience out only to bring in another young loanee to gain experience, especially when he's not as good as the player you're loaning out!... * I think this is a good move for BB and I hope he makes a great success of it and we've a 50% sell on clause.[/p][/quote]Well Ipswich were paying Murrays wages, shipping Bodin out got one wage off the books that allowed us to bring in the likes of Benson. We had to keep within the tight 55% wage cap. Don't think the decision was made on ability alone. Bodin was dispensible as he actually did not grab his chance to cement a regular start. He was wanted by other clubs, so it made sense to me if he wasn't going to be playing regular to get experience elsewhere. old town robin
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11:03pm Mon 2 Jul 12

the wizard says...

old town robin wrote:
Stratton Red wrote:
London Red wrote:
I don't think he was short changed last year - he was in his first real season as a pro and was not ready to challenge for a starting spot - hardly anyone said they wanted him as our main striker last pre-season or August! . He was therefore, loaned out to gain experince - like lots of young players are - and it worked he came back better . I agree with Wiz as I have said above strange move and doesn't smack ambition . I think he should have gone into PdC office and said I don't want to go out on loan this year I want to be part of the main group and fight for a place - can you guarantee me that . The answer probably would have been yes - he could have then signed and developed . If it had been no - then he would have been justifed in leaving as he was obviously not in our plans full stop
He was short changed. I don't see the point in loaning out a good young prospect to gain experience out only to bring in another young loanee to gain experience, especially when he's not as good as the player you're loaning out!...
*
I think this is a good move for BB and I hope he makes a great success of it and we've a 50% sell on clause.
Well Ipswich were paying Murrays wages, shipping Bodin out got one wage off the books that allowed us to bring in the likes of Benson. We had to keep within the tight 55% wage cap. Don't think the decision was made on ability alone. Bodin was dispensible as he actually did not grab his chance to cement a regular start. He was wanted by other clubs, so it made sense to me if he wasn't going to be playing regular to get experience elsewhere.
I think what ever your view, Billy was liked by the supporters and there was a certain amount of the faithful wanting to see the son come good in his fathers footsteps. Nothing wrong with that sort of loyalty, its respect to father and son. Ironic that he scored our first goal in the league last season and Kennedy the second, but I still think there are issues here perhaps that will not be made public.
Billy has burned bridges this summer with what has been said, and not done by the signing of the contract on offer. Did he really think that for one moment, he, a 20 year old, could twist the arm of PDC and get what he wanted in front of better and more mature and talented players ? or has it been all part of a game, devised at Turkey while he was there ?
[quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stratton Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: I don't think he was short changed last year - he was in his first real season as a pro and was not ready to challenge for a starting spot - hardly anyone said they wanted him as our main striker last pre-season or August! . He was therefore, loaned out to gain experince - like lots of young players are - and it worked he came back better . I agree with Wiz as I have said above strange move and doesn't smack ambition . I think he should have gone into PdC office and said I don't want to go out on loan this year I want to be part of the main group and fight for a place - can you guarantee me that . The answer probably would have been yes - he could have then signed and developed . If it had been no - then he would have been justifed in leaving as he was obviously not in our plans full stop[/p][/quote]He was short changed. I don't see the point in loaning out a good young prospect to gain experience out only to bring in another young loanee to gain experience, especially when he's not as good as the player you're loaning out!... * I think this is a good move for BB and I hope he makes a great success of it and we've a 50% sell on clause.[/p][/quote]Well Ipswich were paying Murrays wages, shipping Bodin out got one wage off the books that allowed us to bring in the likes of Benson. We had to keep within the tight 55% wage cap. Don't think the decision was made on ability alone. Bodin was dispensible as he actually did not grab his chance to cement a regular start. He was wanted by other clubs, so it made sense to me if he wasn't going to be playing regular to get experience elsewhere.[/p][/quote]I think what ever your view, Billy was liked by the supporters and there was a certain amount of the faithful wanting to see the son come good in his fathers footsteps. Nothing wrong with that sort of loyalty, its respect to father and son. Ironic that he scored our first goal in the league last season and Kennedy the second, but I still think there are issues here perhaps that will not be made public. Billy has burned bridges this summer with what has been said, and not done by the signing of the contract on offer. Did he really think that for one moment, he, a 20 year old, could twist the arm of PDC and get what he wanted in front of better and more mature and talented players ? or has it been all part of a game, devised at Turkey while he was there ? the wizard
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12:55am Tue 3 Jul 12

red white says...

Paolo doesn't get on with old Bodin,he of the old school.

Paolo loves to do his shopping so some youth will be sacrificed;
Billy boy to the slaughter.
Paolo doesn't get on with old Bodin,he of the old school. Paolo loves to do his shopping so some youth will be sacrificed; Billy boy to the slaughter. red white
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12:56am Tue 3 Jul 12

Wilesy says...

the wizard wrote:
old town robin wrote:
Stratton Red wrote:
London Red wrote:
I don't think he was short changed last year - he was in his first real season as a pro and was not ready to challenge for a starting spot - hardly anyone said they wanted him as our main striker last pre-season or August! . He was therefore, loaned out to gain experince - like lots of young players are - and it worked he came back better . I agree with Wiz as I have said above strange move and doesn't smack ambition . I think he should have gone into PdC office and said I don't want to go out on loan this year I want to be part of the main group and fight for a place - can you guarantee me that . The answer probably would have been yes - he could have then signed and developed . If it had been no - then he would have been justifed in leaving as he was obviously not in our plans full stop
He was short changed. I don't see the point in loaning out a good young prospect to gain experience out only to bring in another young loanee to gain experience, especially when he's not as good as the player you're loaning out!...
*
I think this is a good move for BB and I hope he makes a great success of it and we've a 50% sell on clause.
Well Ipswich were paying Murrays wages, shipping Bodin out got one wage off the books that allowed us to bring in the likes of Benson. We had to keep within the tight 55% wage cap. Don't think the decision was made on ability alone. Bodin was dispensible as he actually did not grab his chance to cement a regular start. He was wanted by other clubs, so it made sense to me if he wasn't going to be playing regular to get experience elsewhere.
I think what ever your view, Billy was liked by the supporters and there was a certain amount of the faithful wanting to see the son come good in his fathers footsteps. Nothing wrong with that sort of loyalty, its respect to father and son. Ironic that he scored our first goal in the league last season and Kennedy the second, but I still think there are issues here perhaps that will not be made public.
Billy has burned bridges this summer with what has been said, and not done by the signing of the contract on offer. Did he really think that for one moment, he, a 20 year old, could twist the arm of PDC and get what he wanted in front of better and more mature and talented players ? or has it been all part of a game, devised at Turkey while he was there ?
I think Bodin just wants a chance to play football, and so would I in his shoes. I don't think it's a case of twisting Paolo's arm. Paolo gave him chances here and despite the goals did not quite look the part in general play so moved him on.
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stratton Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: I don't think he was short changed last year - he was in his first real season as a pro and was not ready to challenge for a starting spot - hardly anyone said they wanted him as our main striker last pre-season or August! . He was therefore, loaned out to gain experince - like lots of young players are - and it worked he came back better . I agree with Wiz as I have said above strange move and doesn't smack ambition . I think he should have gone into PdC office and said I don't want to go out on loan this year I want to be part of the main group and fight for a place - can you guarantee me that . The answer probably would have been yes - he could have then signed and developed . If it had been no - then he would have been justifed in leaving as he was obviously not in our plans full stop[/p][/quote]He was short changed. I don't see the point in loaning out a good young prospect to gain experience out only to bring in another young loanee to gain experience, especially when he's not as good as the player you're loaning out!... * I think this is a good move for BB and I hope he makes a great success of it and we've a 50% sell on clause.[/p][/quote]Well Ipswich were paying Murrays wages, shipping Bodin out got one wage off the books that allowed us to bring in the likes of Benson. We had to keep within the tight 55% wage cap. Don't think the decision was made on ability alone. Bodin was dispensible as he actually did not grab his chance to cement a regular start. He was wanted by other clubs, so it made sense to me if he wasn't going to be playing regular to get experience elsewhere.[/p][/quote]I think what ever your view, Billy was liked by the supporters and there was a certain amount of the faithful wanting to see the son come good in his fathers footsteps. Nothing wrong with that sort of loyalty, its respect to father and son. Ironic that he scored our first goal in the league last season and Kennedy the second, but I still think there are issues here perhaps that will not be made public. Billy has burned bridges this summer with what has been said, and not done by the signing of the contract on offer. Did he really think that for one moment, he, a 20 year old, could twist the arm of PDC and get what he wanted in front of better and more mature and talented players ? or has it been all part of a game, devised at Turkey while he was there ?[/p][/quote]I think Bodin just wants a chance to play football, and so would I in his shoes. I don't think it's a case of twisting Paolo's arm. Paolo gave him chances here and despite the goals did not quite look the part in general play so moved him on. Wilesy
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1:11am Tue 3 Jul 12

red white says...

We can always have him back,then he can be a hero.
We can always have him back,then he can be a hero. red white
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