LiveSPEEDWAY LIVE: Swindon Robins 55 Lakeside Hammers 38

First published in Sport Swindon Advertiser: Photograph of the Author by , Deputy sports editor, awarren@swindonadvertiser.co.uk, @AndyWarren_

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Summary

  • Swindon Robins 55 Lakeside Hammers 38
  • SWINDON ROBINS: Hans Andersen (3-3-2'-1-0) 9+1, Nick Morris (1-1-0-3) 5, Peter Kildemand (3) 3, Jason Doyle (2'-2-2-0) 6+1, Troy Batchelor (2-3-3-3-2)13, Simon Stead (3-1'-2-1-2'-3) 12+3, Dawid Lampart (0-1'-2-1-3) 7+2.
  • LAKESIDE HAMMERS: Davey Watt (2-3-2-0-1) 8, RR, Ryan Fisher (FX-FX-1-1-1) 3, Kauko Nieminen (1-0-0-0-1)2+1, Scott Nicholls (3-2-6^-3-2-3) 19, Justin Sedgmen (2-0-0-0-0) 2, Robert Mear(0-1'-1-2) 4+1.

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10:04pm Thu 13 Sep 12

gruntfuttocks says...

An excellent all round performance, although i imagine a few armchair supporters out there will find something wrong with Steads performance tonight. Hopefully Peter will be ok soon and we can continue this into the play offs
An excellent all round performance, although i imagine a few armchair supporters out there will find something wrong with Steads performance tonight. Hopefully Peter will be ok soon and we can continue this into the play offs gruntfuttocks
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10:28pm Thu 13 Sep 12

swindonspur says...

gruntfuttocks wrote:
An excellent all round performance, although i imagine a few armchair supporters out there will find something wrong with Steads performance tonight. Hopefully Peter will be ok soon and we can continue this into the play offs
He beat the worst set of reserves and 2nd strings ive seen all season. As I said last week after Belle Vue, matches like this dont matter. Last Monday was the real test. He will cost us when it really matters.
[quote][p][bold]gruntfuttocks[/bold] wrote: An excellent all round performance, although i imagine a few armchair supporters out there will find something wrong with Steads performance tonight. Hopefully Peter will be ok soon and we can continue this into the play offs[/p][/quote]He beat the worst set of reserves and 2nd strings ive seen all season. As I said last week after Belle Vue, matches like this dont matter. Last Monday was the real test. He will cost us when it really matters. swindonspur
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10:46pm Thu 13 Sep 12

gruntfuttocks says...

well, as long as you have got something to moan about then i guess you are happy. bet you are a right bundle of fun to be around. we have got where we are through good solid team performances, without team changes and without buying a superteam. maybe you should ride for us next season
well, as long as you have got something to moan about then i guess you are happy. bet you are a right bundle of fun to be around. we have got where we are through good solid team performances, without team changes and without buying a superteam. maybe you should ride for us next season gruntfuttocks
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6:29am Fri 14 Sep 12

GalaxyMan says...

Oh do grow up futtocks.
Stead has been an embarrassment at times this season- to himself and the team- please don't join him with puerile comments.
Lets hope Simon contributes as heavily at Brum next week. I won't be holding my breath though.
Oh do grow up futtocks. Stead has been an embarrassment at times this season- to himself and the team- please don't join him with puerile comments. Lets hope Simon contributes as heavily at Brum next week. I won't be holding my breath though. GalaxyMan
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7:03am Fri 14 Sep 12

swindonspur says...

gruntfuttocks wrote:
well, as long as you have got something to moan about then i guess you are happy. bet you are a right bundle of fun to be around. we have got where we are through good solid team performances, without team changes and without buying a superteam. maybe you should ride for us next season
We have got where we are despite Steady. He has gone from a heat leader to reserve and he still cant score points away. If you think thats acceptable then fair play to you. I was at Poole on Monday and he was shocking. So forgive me if im not going to soil myself with excitement because he beat a few premier league riders on his own track.
[quote][p][bold]gruntfuttocks[/bold] wrote: well, as long as you have got something to moan about then i guess you are happy. bet you are a right bundle of fun to be around. we have got where we are through good solid team performances, without team changes and without buying a superteam. maybe you should ride for us next season[/p][/quote]We have got where we are despite Steady. He has gone from a heat leader to reserve and he still cant score points away. If you think thats acceptable then fair play to you. I was at Poole on Monday and he was shocking. So forgive me if im not going to soil myself with excitement because he beat a few premier league riders on his own track. swindonspur
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7:38am Fri 14 Sep 12

gruntfuttocks says...

GalaxyMan wrote:
Oh do grow up futtocks. Stead has been an embarrassment at times this season- to himself and the team- please don't join him with puerile comments. Lets hope Simon contributes as heavily at Brum next week. I won't be holding my breath though.
first of all its 'gruntfuttocks', we have also got where we are despite batchelor scoring as poorly as stead at the start of the season too. i am guessing you were calling for his dismissal too. please please please hold your breath
[quote][p][bold]GalaxyMan[/bold] wrote: Oh do grow up futtocks. Stead has been an embarrassment at times this season- to himself and the team- please don't join him with puerile comments. Lets hope Simon contributes as heavily at Brum next week. I won't be holding my breath though.[/p][/quote]first of all its 'gruntfuttocks', we have also got where we are despite batchelor scoring as poorly as stead at the start of the season too. i am guessing you were calling for his dismissal too. please please please hold your breath gruntfuttocks
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9:02am Fri 14 Sep 12

swindonbob says...

Good call gruntfuttocks, Troy couldn't buy a point at the start of the season. We had strength in depth then and we can still cover for a rider who has an off night now. It is unfair to compare every rider in Swindon kevlars with Leigh Adams.
Good call gruntfuttocks, Troy couldn't buy a point at the start of the season. We had strength in depth then and we can still cover for a rider who has an off night now. It is unfair to compare every rider in Swindon kevlars with Leigh Adams. swindonbob
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9:53am Fri 14 Sep 12

swindonspur says...

swindonbob wrote:
Good call gruntfuttocks, Troy couldn't buy a point at the start of the season. We had strength in depth then and we can still cover for a rider who has an off night now. It is unfair to compare every rider in Swindon kevlars with Leigh Adams.
That Steady/Batch argument is not relevant. Batch rode through his bad spell and has improved towards the play offs. Steady is still going backwards and has had more off nights than anyone. One thing that doesn't lie in speedway is averages. His has dropped 2 points in 2 years. I'm sure even the most loyal Steady would struggle to justfiy that.
[quote][p][bold]swindonbob[/bold] wrote: Good call gruntfuttocks, Troy couldn't buy a point at the start of the season. We had strength in depth then and we can still cover for a rider who has an off night now. It is unfair to compare every rider in Swindon kevlars with Leigh Adams.[/p][/quote]That Steady/Batch argument is not relevant. Batch rode through his bad spell and has improved towards the play offs. Steady is still going backwards and has had more off nights than anyone. One thing that doesn't lie in speedway is averages. His has dropped 2 points in 2 years. I'm sure even the most loyal Steady would struggle to justfiy that. swindonspur
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10:33am Fri 14 Sep 12

swindonspur says...

As I always say I don't dislike Steady at all. He is clearly Swindon through and through and its rare in any sport these days for someone to be like that. I would much prefer to win the league with him in the team. BUT I have been a season ticket holder for a lot longer than he has been at club and winning the league is more important to me that some sort of loyalty towards a rider who is not doing the job. Its all very well scoring all these points against terrible teams and no doubt he looked good last night. But it was only Lakeside and their reserves and 2nd strings were all premier league riders. Look at his last 2 scores at Pboro and Poole and you can see we are in trouble if we get either of those in the play off's.
As I always say I don't dislike Steady at all. He is clearly Swindon through and through and its rare in any sport these days for someone to be like that. I would much prefer to win the league with him in the team. BUT I have been a season ticket holder for a lot longer than he has been at club and winning the league is more important to me that some sort of loyalty towards a rider who is not doing the job. Its all very well scoring all these points against terrible teams and no doubt he looked good last night. But it was only Lakeside and their reserves and 2nd strings were all premier league riders. Look at his last 2 scores at Pboro and Poole and you can see we are in trouble if we get either of those in the play off's. swindonspur
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10:45am Fri 14 Sep 12

Dug A Hole says...

swindonspur wrote:
swindonbob wrote: Good call gruntfuttocks, Troy couldn't buy a point at the start of the season. We had strength in depth then and we can still cover for a rider who has an off night now. It is unfair to compare every rider in Swindon kevlars with Leigh Adams.
That Steady/Batch argument is not relevant. Batch rode through his bad spell and has improved towards the play offs. Steady is still going backwards and has had more off nights than anyone. One thing that doesn't lie in speedway is averages. His has dropped 2 points in 2 years. I'm sure even the most loyal Steady would struggle to justfiy that.
Averages may not "lie" as such, but they don't tell you everything. Bonus points aren't included plus they don't take into account whether or not a rider is riding at reserve or getting heat 15s - both of which can have a major effect of a rider's overall average.

Steady has had a bad year, but I'm glad we kept him. I'd rather have a team to follow than do the chopping and changing that others do and he is a good rider. But, yes, he hasn't done well this year.

However, I don't see why people on this site seem intent on runnign some sort of hate campaign against him. Sure, have a moan if he has a bad night if you like. But why moan about him being poor other nights on a night when he's ridden well.

Anyway, what's the obsession with Swindon winning the league. Once that happens we'll have nothing left to cheer and hope for and the World will come to an end.
[quote][p][bold]swindonspur[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swindonbob[/bold] wrote: Good call gruntfuttocks, Troy couldn't buy a point at the start of the season. We had strength in depth then and we can still cover for a rider who has an off night now. It is unfair to compare every rider in Swindon kevlars with Leigh Adams.[/p][/quote]That Steady/Batch argument is not relevant. Batch rode through his bad spell and has improved towards the play offs. Steady is still going backwards and has had more off nights than anyone. One thing that doesn't lie in speedway is averages. His has dropped 2 points in 2 years. I'm sure even the most loyal Steady would struggle to justfiy that.[/p][/quote]Averages may not "lie" as such, but they don't tell you everything. Bonus points aren't included plus they don't take into account whether or not a rider is riding at reserve or getting heat 15s - both of which can have a major effect of a rider's overall average. Steady has had a bad year, but I'm glad we kept him. I'd rather have a team to follow than do the chopping and changing that others do and he is a good rider. But, yes, he hasn't done well this year. However, I don't see why people on this site seem intent on runnign some sort of hate campaign against him. Sure, have a moan if he has a bad night if you like. But why moan about him being poor other nights on a night when he's ridden well. Anyway, what's the obsession with Swindon winning the league. Once that happens we'll have nothing left to cheer and hope for and the World will come to an end. Dug A Hole
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10:59am Fri 14 Sep 12

swindonspur says...

Dug A Hole wrote:
swindonspur wrote:
swindonbob wrote: Good call gruntfuttocks, Troy couldn't buy a point at the start of the season. We had strength in depth then and we can still cover for a rider who has an off night now. It is unfair to compare every rider in Swindon kevlars with Leigh Adams.
That Steady/Batch argument is not relevant. Batch rode through his bad spell and has improved towards the play offs. Steady is still going backwards and has had more off nights than anyone. One thing that doesn't lie in speedway is averages. His has dropped 2 points in 2 years. I'm sure even the most loyal Steady would struggle to justfiy that.
Averages may not "lie" as such, but they don't tell you everything. Bonus points aren't included plus they don't take into account whether or not a rider is riding at reserve or getting heat 15s - both of which can have a major effect of a rider's overall average.

Steady has had a bad year, but I'm glad we kept him. I'd rather have a team to follow than do the chopping and changing that others do and he is a good rider. But, yes, he hasn't done well this year.

However, I don't see why people on this site seem intent on runnign some sort of hate campaign against him. Sure, have a moan if he has a bad night if you like. But why moan about him being poor other nights on a night when he's ridden well.

Anyway, what's the obsession with Swindon winning the league. Once that happens we'll have nothing left to cheer and hope for and the World will come to an end.
Sport is about winning. Simple.
[quote][p][bold]Dug A Hole[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swindonspur[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swindonbob[/bold] wrote: Good call gruntfuttocks, Troy couldn't buy a point at the start of the season. We had strength in depth then and we can still cover for a rider who has an off night now. It is unfair to compare every rider in Swindon kevlars with Leigh Adams.[/p][/quote]That Steady/Batch argument is not relevant. Batch rode through his bad spell and has improved towards the play offs. Steady is still going backwards and has had more off nights than anyone. One thing that doesn't lie in speedway is averages. His has dropped 2 points in 2 years. I'm sure even the most loyal Steady would struggle to justfiy that.[/p][/quote]Averages may not "lie" as such, but they don't tell you everything. Bonus points aren't included plus they don't take into account whether or not a rider is riding at reserve or getting heat 15s - both of which can have a major effect of a rider's overall average. Steady has had a bad year, but I'm glad we kept him. I'd rather have a team to follow than do the chopping and changing that others do and he is a good rider. But, yes, he hasn't done well this year. However, I don't see why people on this site seem intent on runnign some sort of hate campaign against him. Sure, have a moan if he has a bad night if you like. But why moan about him being poor other nights on a night when he's ridden well. Anyway, what's the obsession with Swindon winning the league. Once that happens we'll have nothing left to cheer and hope for and the World will come to an end.[/p][/quote]Sport is about winning. Simple. swindonspur
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11:06am Fri 14 Sep 12

gruntfuttocks says...

Like I have said on a previous article, Stead is a BRITISH rider who only rides in BRITAIN, yet the BSPA won't allow him to double up for another BRITISH club. We have foreign riders racing in 3 other countries doubling up here. Troy rode through his bad spell by getting race time on the continent. It's time for the BSPA to live up to their title and Promote British Speedway
Like I have said on a previous article, Stead is a BRITISH rider who only rides in BRITAIN, yet the BSPA won't allow him to double up for another BRITISH club. We have foreign riders racing in 3 other countries doubling up here. Troy rode through his bad spell by getting race time on the continent. It's time for the BSPA to live up to their title and Promote British Speedway gruntfuttocks
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11:12am Fri 14 Sep 12

swindonspur says...

gruntfuttocks wrote:
Like I have said on a previous article, Stead is a BRITISH rider who only rides in BRITAIN, yet the BSPA won't allow him to double up for another BRITISH club. We have foreign riders racing in 3 other countries doubling up here. Troy rode through his bad spell by getting race time on the continent. It's time for the BSPA to live up to their title and Promote British Speedway
I couldn't agree more with you. He is in a rapid decline because of a lack of time spent on his bike. Simple really and its not right that Doyley, as well as hes done this year, is allowed to double up and Steady isn't. Its time the BSPA supported the British riders.
[quote][p][bold]gruntfuttocks[/bold] wrote: Like I have said on a previous article, Stead is a BRITISH rider who only rides in BRITAIN, yet the BSPA won't allow him to double up for another BRITISH club. We have foreign riders racing in 3 other countries doubling up here. Troy rode through his bad spell by getting race time on the continent. It's time for the BSPA to live up to their title and Promote British Speedway[/p][/quote]I couldn't agree more with you. He is in a rapid decline because of a lack of time spent on his bike. Simple really and its not right that Doyley, as well as hes done this year, is allowed to double up and Steady isn't. Its time the BSPA supported the British riders. swindonspur
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12:47pm Fri 14 Sep 12

Les7153 says...

I have to agree with you people who support the British. The only problem is where are we going to get them from. If you look at the Premier League which is suppose to produce youngsters to develope ready for the Elite League and upwards is not happening. Why? because all each club wants to do each year is WIN their league and and they do this with FOREIGN riders. I have seen clubs exclude good young BRITISH riders for foreign and this is the MAIN reason we do not have riders good enough to reach ELITE level. This is true with swindon, I have no complaints about the likes of MORRIS, KILDERMANN or LAMPART all have done well for us this year (and I hope all 3 are there next year) but it's the WINNING we all focus on and it does not include the BRIT boys. Is there a solution? I look forward to some of your responses as I have been a ticket holder at SWINDON since 1965 and I am use to ALSO RANS in the league.
I have to agree with you people who support the British. The only problem is where are we going to get them from. If you look at the Premier League which is suppose to produce youngsters to develope ready for the Elite League and upwards is not happening. Why? because all each club wants to do each year is WIN their league and and they do this with FOREIGN riders. I have seen clubs exclude good young BRITISH riders for foreign and this is the MAIN reason we do not have riders good enough to reach ELITE level. This is true with swindon, I have no complaints about the likes of MORRIS, KILDERMANN or LAMPART all have done well for us this year (and I hope all 3 are there next year) but it's the WINNING we all focus on and it does not include the BRIT boys. Is there a solution? I look forward to some of your responses as I have been a ticket holder at SWINDON since 1965 and I am use to ALSO RANS in the league. Les7153
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1:30pm Fri 14 Sep 12

swindonspur says...

I have been saying for years that each elite club should have to field at least one under 23 British rider at reserve. Its a rule that is used in Poland and Sweden and they don't have any problems developing riders. Its obviously not going to change things straight away but it can only help long term. With the rules as they are every club is just looking for the next Pawlicki or Mikkel B on a 4.00 average. If the rules were changed this wouldn't be the case.
I have been saying for years that each elite club should have to field at least one under 23 British rider at reserve. Its a rule that is used in Poland and Sweden and they don't have any problems developing riders. Its obviously not going to change things straight away but it can only help long term. With the rules as they are every club is just looking for the next Pawlicki or Mikkel B on a 4.00 average. If the rules were changed this wouldn't be the case. swindonspur
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2:25pm Fri 14 Sep 12

Dug A Hole says...

swindonspur wrote:
Dug A Hole wrote:
swindonspur wrote:
swindonbob wrote: Good call gruntfuttocks, Troy couldn't buy a point at the start of the season. We had strength in depth then and we can still cover for a rider who has an off night now. It is unfair to compare every rider in Swindon kevlars with Leigh Adams.
That Steady/Batch argument is not relevant. Batch rode through his bad spell and has improved towards the play offs. Steady is still going backwards and has had more off nights than anyone. One thing that doesn't lie in speedway is averages. His has dropped 2 points in 2 years. I'm sure even the most loyal Steady would struggle to justfiy that.
Averages may not "lie" as such, but they don't tell you everything. Bonus points aren't included plus they don't take into account whether or not a rider is riding at reserve or getting heat 15s - both of which can have a major effect of a rider's overall average. Steady has had a bad year, but I'm glad we kept him. I'd rather have a team to follow than do the chopping and changing that others do and he is a good rider. But, yes, he hasn't done well this year. However, I don't see why people on this site seem intent on runnign some sort of hate campaign against him. Sure, have a moan if he has a bad night if you like. But why moan about him being poor other nights on a night when he's ridden well. Anyway, what's the obsession with Swindon winning the league. Once that happens we'll have nothing left to cheer and hope for and the World will come to an end.
Sport is about winning. Simple.
Well, there's more to life than just winning. There's love and happiness too - which are much more important qualities.

Anyway, we won. The thing is you're having a pop at the rider who was our paid top scorer last night - albeit from reserve.

But imagine if some Pole or Swede did exactly the same thing for another club. You'd be soiling your Rupert trousers and hailing him a superstar

I agree with you about the averages. It's ridiculous really that Poole could have Miedzinski on a 5 when he was clealy worth more than that - and now Pawlicki on a 4. Averages should be set in accordance with performances in a rider's home country rather than just a blanket 4.00 for the lot of 'em I tells ya.
[quote][p][bold]swindonspur[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dug A Hole[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swindonspur[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swindonbob[/bold] wrote: Good call gruntfuttocks, Troy couldn't buy a point at the start of the season. We had strength in depth then and we can still cover for a rider who has an off night now. It is unfair to compare every rider in Swindon kevlars with Leigh Adams.[/p][/quote]That Steady/Batch argument is not relevant. Batch rode through his bad spell and has improved towards the play offs. Steady is still going backwards and has had more off nights than anyone. One thing that doesn't lie in speedway is averages. His has dropped 2 points in 2 years. I'm sure even the most loyal Steady would struggle to justfiy that.[/p][/quote]Averages may not "lie" as such, but they don't tell you everything. Bonus points aren't included plus they don't take into account whether or not a rider is riding at reserve or getting heat 15s - both of which can have a major effect of a rider's overall average. Steady has had a bad year, but I'm glad we kept him. I'd rather have a team to follow than do the chopping and changing that others do and he is a good rider. But, yes, he hasn't done well this year. However, I don't see why people on this site seem intent on runnign some sort of hate campaign against him. Sure, have a moan if he has a bad night if you like. But why moan about him being poor other nights on a night when he's ridden well. Anyway, what's the obsession with Swindon winning the league. Once that happens we'll have nothing left to cheer and hope for and the World will come to an end.[/p][/quote]Sport is about winning. Simple.[/p][/quote]Well, there's more to life than just winning. There's love and happiness too - which are much more important qualities. Anyway, we won. The thing is you're having a pop at the rider who was our paid top scorer last night - albeit from reserve. But imagine if some Pole or Swede did exactly the same thing for another club. You'd be soiling your Rupert trousers and hailing him a superstar I agree with you about the averages. It's ridiculous really that Poole could have Miedzinski on a 5 when he was clealy worth more than that - and now Pawlicki on a 4. Averages should be set in accordance with performances in a rider's home country rather than just a blanket 4.00 for the lot of 'em I tells ya. Dug A Hole
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2:27pm Fri 14 Sep 12

Dug A Hole says...

Just to add to that average thing - I mean providing they've missed at least one whole season in the UK or are new riders to this country.
Just to add to that average thing - I mean providing they've missed at least one whole season in the UK or are new riders to this country. Dug A Hole
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4:20pm Fri 14 Sep 12

gruntfuttocks says...

So, with the exception of GalaxyMan we are all agreed one one thing at least, and that is Simon should be encouraged and supported more by this countrys speedway governing body and not made to feel like an outsider in the only country in which he earns a living.
So, with the exception of GalaxyMan we are all agreed one one thing at least, and that is Simon should be encouraged and supported more by this countrys speedway governing body and not made to feel like an outsider in the only country in which he earns a living. gruntfuttocks
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5:21pm Fri 14 Sep 12

swindonspur says...

Im pretty sure Galaxy agrees as well. I cant imagine any Swindon fan doesnt like Steady. Its just clear there are 2 different opinions on his form and thats fair enough. Im 100% certain if Steady was doubling up and having more track time then his average would start going the right way again.
Im pretty sure Galaxy agrees as well. I cant imagine any Swindon fan doesnt like Steady. Its just clear there are 2 different opinions on his form and thats fair enough. Im 100% certain if Steady was doubling up and having more track time then his average would start going the right way again. swindonspur
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10:15pm Fri 14 Sep 12

gruntfuttocks says...

i'm sure he does too but he has gone awfully quiet on the subject. i notice he always has an opinion and i guess he doesn't like being in the minority
i'm sure he does too but he has gone awfully quiet on the subject. i notice he always has an opinion and i guess he doesn't like being in the minority gruntfuttocks
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