SWINDON TOWN: Bostock must change

Swindon Advertiser: John Bostock John Bostock

PAOLO Di Canio has insisted that John Bostock remains very much part of plans at Swindon Town, as long as the midfielder cuts out the more selfish and instinctive elements of his game.

Bostock returned to Wiltshire on loan at the end of August having impressed during a temporary spell with the Robins towards the end of last season, but the 20-year-old has found it difficult to break into the Town matchday squad since – making just two substitute appearances.

Some supporters have begun to question why the Tottenham youngster is not being given the chance in the red of Swindon this term and, when asked by the Advertiser, Di Canio explained that he needs Bostock to change as a player if he is to fit in with his blueprint for success at SN1.

He said: “We spoke together a few days ago and he asked me ‘what do you think?’ “At the moment it’s difficult because sometimes there is no difference and sometimes there is a difference when we say 4-4-2 and 4-4-1-1.

“I need two strikers now, especially at this level, both have to attack the space, drop short, pass the ball and attack the space again.

“He’s going to have a chance but he has to understand that more in the middle of the field I want to see more in training sessions. Maybe on Saturday I could send him on for 20 minutes, it could happen, because he will travel with us.¬ “He still sometimes in training sessions plays with his instincts because he’s a talented player, fantastic quality technically but in this moment he does not understand how to play with his teammates and for his teammates – he plays for himself.

“Pass the ball, receive the ball. Pass the ball and get it back. It’s not something against him but to try to help him because he can be a good player for us.

“My football has got a very clear identity. Everybody has got different quality but we know what we want and we saw against Colchester, if we don’t press, if we don’t receive the ball at the right time, our mechanism and our shape are our leaders.

“If we don’t find this way it is difficult for us to win the game with individuals doing his own instinct.

“If you play with your instinct, with less fire and less enthusiasm maybe you can win one game in the season but we are not good enough to do this. We have to play with discipline, quality, help our teammates.

“I’m going to check everything and for him if he wants to prove something under us then for 10 minutes or 20 minutes he will do the job that the manager wants him to do.

“I want a player who works for my cause not for their own cause, with all respect.”

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7:13am Sat 6 Oct 12

Malkym says...

Mmm! interesting -not sure that Bostock will be able to Bostick with Paolo's ideas on how he wants him to perform but as we all know its "my way or the highway" - probably explains why to date he hasn't featured greatly in Paolo's plans.
Mmm! interesting -not sure that Bostock will be able to Bostick with Paolo's ideas on how he wants him to perform but as we all know its "my way or the highway" - probably explains why to date he hasn't featured greatly in Paolo's plans. Malkym

7:28am Sat 6 Oct 12

Chish and Fips says...

Not sure I understand the logic here.

You bring a player in last season, play him the JPT Final, then for a few games after, her shows good talent and adds flair to the game. He goes back to his parent cub, we then chase him again, eventually he signs, then we don't play him, even when the game is screaming out for him.
Not sure I understand the logic here. You bring a player in last season, play him the JPT Final, then for a few games after, her shows good talent and adds flair to the game. He goes back to his parent cub, we then chase him again, eventually he signs, then we don't play him, even when the game is screaming out for him. Chish and Fips

8:30am Sat 6 Oct 12

old town robin says...

I'm glad Sam asked the same question as many of us have been asking for weeks. Replace Bostocks name with Luke Rooney and I think Paolo's response would have been exactly the same. He is looking for players to give their all for the team not themselves.

He has made it clear, at this point of time he is not looking at flair he wants players that commit to working as a team. Good that they have had a chat of how they go forward, Bostock will never lose his natural talent and will be a better player for it if he adds something extra to his game. If he was looking for role models to improve his game I think Frank Lampard would be the one he should look at. Started his career at West Ham and wasn't considered to be that good, but once he arrived at Chelsea under another Italian, was it Ranier or Vialli, can't remember, he then became world class.

It was always a question for me where he would fit in and as most of us suspected it will be in a 4-4-1-1 line up with him playing just behind the striker and linking up with mid-field. I think we may see him get some time playing today. I also think we will make a bid for him in January, last 6 months of his contract approaching and little to no chance of making Tottenhams first team, just depends who else might be interested in him, might be another reason why Paolo has kept him under wraps.
I'm glad Sam asked the same question as many of us have been asking for weeks. Replace Bostocks name with Luke Rooney and I think Paolo's response would have been exactly the same. He is looking for players to give their all for the team not themselves. He has made it clear, at this point of time he is not looking at flair he wants players that commit to working as a team. Good that they have had a chat of how they go forward, Bostock will never lose his natural talent and will be a better player for it if he adds something extra to his game. If he was looking for role models to improve his game I think Frank Lampard would be the one he should look at. Started his career at West Ham and wasn't considered to be that good, but once he arrived at Chelsea under another Italian, was it Ranier or Vialli, can't remember, he then became world class. It was always a question for me where he would fit in and as most of us suspected it will be in a 4-4-1-1 line up with him playing just behind the striker and linking up with mid-field. I think we may see him get some time playing today. I also think we will make a bid for him in January, last 6 months of his contract approaching and little to no chance of making Tottenhams first team, just depends who else might be interested in him, might be another reason why Paolo has kept him under wraps. old town robin

8:30am Sat 6 Oct 12

old town robin says...

I'm glad Sam asked the same question as many of us have been asking for weeks. Replace Bostocks name with Luke Rooney and I think Paolo's response would have been exactly the same. He is looking for players to give their all for the team not themselves.

He has made it clear, at this point of time he is not looking at flair he wants players that commit to working as a team. Good that they have had a chat of how they go forward, Bostock will never lose his natural talent and will be a better player for it if he adds something extra to his game. If he was looking for role models to improve his game I think Frank Lampard would be the one he should look at. Started his career at West Ham and wasn't considered to be that good, but once he arrived at Chelsea under another Italian, was it Ranier or Vialli, can't remember, he then became world class.

It was always a question for me where he would fit in and as most of us suspected it will be in a 4-4-1-1 line up with him playing just behind the striker and linking up with mid-field. I think we may see him get some time playing today. I also think we will make a bid for him in January, last 6 months of his contract approaching and little to no chance of making Tottenhams first team, just depends who else might be interested in him, might be another reason why Paolo has kept him under wraps.
I'm glad Sam asked the same question as many of us have been asking for weeks. Replace Bostocks name with Luke Rooney and I think Paolo's response would have been exactly the same. He is looking for players to give their all for the team not themselves. He has made it clear, at this point of time he is not looking at flair he wants players that commit to working as a team. Good that they have had a chat of how they go forward, Bostock will never lose his natural talent and will be a better player for it if he adds something extra to his game. If he was looking for role models to improve his game I think Frank Lampard would be the one he should look at. Started his career at West Ham and wasn't considered to be that good, but once he arrived at Chelsea under another Italian, was it Ranier or Vialli, can't remember, he then became world class. It was always a question for me where he would fit in and as most of us suspected it will be in a 4-4-1-1 line up with him playing just behind the striker and linking up with mid-field. I think we may see him get some time playing today. I also think we will make a bid for him in January, last 6 months of his contract approaching and little to no chance of making Tottenhams first team, just depends who else might be interested in him, might be another reason why Paolo has kept him under wraps. old town robin

9:24am Sat 6 Oct 12

the don69 says...

After that performance against Colchester!would have thought he could walk into the team?cause most of our players were utter Cr@p!!!!!!!!!
After that performance against Colchester!would have thought he could walk into the team?cause most of our players were utter Cr@p!!!!!!!!! the don69

9:40am Sat 6 Oct 12

the wizard says...

Oh dear me, and there was me thinking we chased him and we wanted him precisely because of the way he is which set him apart from all the others, and now we want to change him to make make him just like the others.
Surely when you have many passing the ball around, tippy-tappy stuff and getting nowhere, perhaps then you need someone to come and and drive the ball through, even if they don't succeed they often get brought down and we get a free kick in a good position. This is a ploy which Macca often uses in his runs from defence, it changes play and makes things happen, and we get a result. Seems to me we are changing an individual talent, and it is that talent which sets him apart and makes him attractive to us.
Oh dear me, and there was me thinking we chased him and we wanted him precisely because of the way he is which set him apart from all the others, and now we want to change him to make make him just like the others. Surely when you have many passing the ball around, tippy-tappy stuff and getting nowhere, perhaps then you need someone to come and and drive the ball through, even if they don't succeed they often get brought down and we get a free kick in a good position. This is a ploy which Macca often uses in his runs from defence, it changes play and makes things happen, and we get a result. Seems to me we are changing an individual talent, and it is that talent which sets him apart and makes him attractive to us. the wizard

9:41am Sat 6 Oct 12

London Red says...

This is exactly what I said I thought the situation was
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PdC wants Bostock to play a certain role but doesn't think he is ready yet
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That is why he wanted him here for Pre-Season to train him in that role
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PdC thinks long term and he knows Bostock is here until Jan if not longer so see no need to rush him in at this point
This is exactly what I said I thought the situation was . PdC wants Bostock to play a certain role but doesn't think he is ready yet . That is why he wanted him here for Pre-Season to train him in that role . PdC thinks long term and he knows Bostock is here until Jan if not longer so see no need to rush him in at this point London Red

9:41am Sat 6 Oct 12

the wizard says...

Oh dear me, and there was me thinking we chased him and we wanted him precisely because of the way he is which set him apart from all the others, and now we want to change him to make make him just like the others.
Surely when you have many passing the ball around, tippy-tappy stuff and getting nowhere, perhaps then you need someone to come and and drive the ball through, even if they don't succeed they often get brought down and we get a free kick in a good position. This is a ploy which Macca often uses in his runs from defence, it changes play and makes things happen, and we get a result. Seems to me we are changing an individual talent, and it is that talent which sets him apart and makes him attractive to us.
Oh dear me, and there was me thinking we chased him and we wanted him precisely because of the way he is which set him apart from all the others, and now we want to change him to make make him just like the others. Surely when you have many passing the ball around, tippy-tappy stuff and getting nowhere, perhaps then you need someone to come and and drive the ball through, even if they don't succeed they often get brought down and we get a free kick in a good position. This is a ploy which Macca often uses in his runs from defence, it changes play and makes things happen, and we get a result. Seems to me we are changing an individual talent, and it is that talent which sets him apart and makes him attractive to us. the wizard

9:42am Sat 6 Oct 12

the wizard says...

Wi-Fi all hay wire sorry for the double post
Wi-Fi all hay wire sorry for the double post the wizard

9:50am Sat 6 Oct 12

Exmouth_red69 says...

the wizard wrote:
Oh dear me, and there was me thinking we chased him and we wanted him precisely because of the way he is which set him apart from all the others, and now we want to change him to make make him just like the others.
Surely when you have many passing the ball around, tippy-tappy stuff and getting nowhere, perhaps then you need someone to come and and drive the ball through, even if they don't succeed they often get brought down and we get a free kick in a good position. This is a ploy which Macca often uses in his runs from defence, it changes play and makes things happen, and we get a result. Seems to me we are changing an individual talent, and it is that talent which sets him apart and makes him attractive to us.
Negative again what a surprise, obviously paolo only sees the guy every day and has a long term game plan, but the wizard knows best.
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: Oh dear me, and there was me thinking we chased him and we wanted him precisely because of the way he is which set him apart from all the others, and now we want to change him to make make him just like the others. Surely when you have many passing the ball around, tippy-tappy stuff and getting nowhere, perhaps then you need someone to come and and drive the ball through, even if they don't succeed they often get brought down and we get a free kick in a good position. This is a ploy which Macca often uses in his runs from defence, it changes play and makes things happen, and we get a result. Seems to me we are changing an individual talent, and it is that talent which sets him apart and makes him attractive to us.[/p][/quote]Negative again what a surprise, obviously paolo only sees the guy every day and has a long term game plan, but the wizard knows best. Exmouth_red69

10:03am Sat 6 Oct 12

the wizard says...

Exmouth_red69 wrote:
the wizard wrote:
Oh dear me, and there was me thinking we chased him and we wanted him precisely because of the way he is which set him apart from all the others, and now we want to change him to make make him just like the others.
Surely when you have many passing the ball around, tippy-tappy stuff and getting nowhere, perhaps then you need someone to come and and drive the ball through, even if they don't succeed they often get brought down and we get a free kick in a good position. This is a ploy which Macca often uses in his runs from defence, it changes play and makes things happen, and we get a result. Seems to me we are changing an individual talent, and it is that talent which sets him apart and makes him attractive to us.
Negative again what a surprise, obviously paolo only sees the guy every day and has a long term game plan, but the wizard knows best.
I was trying to make the point that we already have players that fulfil this role and the whole thing about Bostock was , he was different and offered a different approach to everyone else. This forum is to express views, I saw Bostock as different and positive compared to the likes of Navarro and Miller he is a breath of fresh air. I don't put down your posts, as all you do is comment on others, usually in a sniping manner. How about some originality from yourself instead of just kissing @r5e.
[quote][p][bold]Exmouth_red69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: Oh dear me, and there was me thinking we chased him and we wanted him precisely because of the way he is which set him apart from all the others, and now we want to change him to make make him just like the others. Surely when you have many passing the ball around, tippy-tappy stuff and getting nowhere, perhaps then you need someone to come and and drive the ball through, even if they don't succeed they often get brought down and we get a free kick in a good position. This is a ploy which Macca often uses in his runs from defence, it changes play and makes things happen, and we get a result. Seems to me we are changing an individual talent, and it is that talent which sets him apart and makes him attractive to us.[/p][/quote]Negative again what a surprise, obviously paolo only sees the guy every day and has a long term game plan, but the wizard knows best.[/p][/quote]I was trying to make the point that we already have players that fulfil this role and the whole thing about Bostock was , he was different and offered a different approach to everyone else. This forum is to express views, I saw Bostock as different and positive compared to the likes of Navarro and Miller he is a breath of fresh air. I don't put down your posts, as all you do is comment on others, usually in a sniping manner. How about some originality from yourself instead of just kissing @r5e. the wizard

10:26am Sat 6 Oct 12

Exmouth_red69 says...

the wizard wrote:
Exmouth_red69 wrote:
the wizard wrote:
Oh dear me, and there was me thinking we chased him and we wanted him precisely because of the way he is which set him apart from all the others, and now we want to change him to make make him just like the others.
Surely when you have many passing the ball around, tippy-tappy stuff and getting nowhere, perhaps then you need someone to come and and drive the ball through, even if they don't succeed they often get brought down and we get a free kick in a good position. This is a ploy which Macca often uses in his runs from defence, it changes play and makes things happen, and we get a result. Seems to me we are changing an individual talent, and it is that talent which sets him apart and makes him attractive to us.
Negative again what a surprise, obviously paolo only sees the guy every day and has a long term game plan, but the wizard knows best.
I was trying to make the point that we already have players that fulfil this role and the whole thing about Bostock was , he was different and offered a different approach to everyone else. This forum is to express views, I saw Bostock as different and positive compared to the likes of Navarro and Miller he is a breath of fresh air. I don't put down your posts, as all you do is comment on others, usually in a sniping manner. How about some originality from yourself instead of just kissing @r5e.
Kissing a@@e, haha. You rebel wizard! Paolo wants 11 men playing for the team, no show boating tip tappy football. Like Liverpool this will take time.

But hey you know more than paolo(well you think so).
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Exmouth_red69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: Oh dear me, and there was me thinking we chased him and we wanted him precisely because of the way he is which set him apart from all the others, and now we want to change him to make make him just like the others. Surely when you have many passing the ball around, tippy-tappy stuff and getting nowhere, perhaps then you need someone to come and and drive the ball through, even if they don't succeed they often get brought down and we get a free kick in a good position. This is a ploy which Macca often uses in his runs from defence, it changes play and makes things happen, and we get a result. Seems to me we are changing an individual talent, and it is that talent which sets him apart and makes him attractive to us.[/p][/quote]Negative again what a surprise, obviously paolo only sees the guy every day and has a long term game plan, but the wizard knows best.[/p][/quote]I was trying to make the point that we already have players that fulfil this role and the whole thing about Bostock was , he was different and offered a different approach to everyone else. This forum is to express views, I saw Bostock as different and positive compared to the likes of Navarro and Miller he is a breath of fresh air. I don't put down your posts, as all you do is comment on others, usually in a sniping manner. How about some originality from yourself instead of just kissing @r5e.[/p][/quote]Kissing a@@e, haha. You rebel wizard! Paolo wants 11 men playing for the team, no show boating tip tappy football. Like Liverpool this will take time. But hey you know more than paolo(well you think so). Exmouth_red69

10:27am Sat 6 Oct 12

Robinonfire says...

How many changes today.....11?

Come on you reds
How many changes today.....11? Come on you reds Robinonfire

10:51am Sat 6 Oct 12

igiwigi says...

Success Is not about winning!!


Success is learning from failure!!
Success Is not about winning!! Success is learning from failure!! igiwigi

10:56am Sat 6 Oct 12

SAPFanSTFC says...

Have to say that I'm surprised he hasn't been used as an impact sub more often but this article certainly clears up the general questions.
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As per many above have said PDC can make good players into better players and a good young talent needs to learn from one of the best professionals and broaden his game.
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PDC wants 11 individuals playing as a team not a team of individuals...Bostoc
k looks like class in the making, let's hope Swindon and PDC is the making of him as it will be us who benefit.
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Got a good feeling about today...didn't really get it with Colchester as I never trust them but think we'll edge it today.
Have to say that I'm surprised he hasn't been used as an impact sub more often but this article certainly clears up the general questions. ---. As per many above have said PDC can make good players into better players and a good young talent needs to learn from one of the best professionals and broaden his game. ---. PDC wants 11 individuals playing as a team not a team of individuals...Bostoc k looks like class in the making, let's hope Swindon and PDC is the making of him as it will be us who benefit. ---. Got a good feeling about today...didn't really get it with Colchester as I never trust them but think we'll edge it today. SAPFanSTFC

11:04am Sat 6 Oct 12

the wizard says...

Exmouth_red69 wrote:
the wizard wrote:
Exmouth_red69 wrote:
the wizard wrote:
Oh dear me, and there was me thinking we chased him and we wanted him precisely because of the way he is which set him apart from all the others, and now we want to change him to make make him just like the others.
Surely when you have many passing the ball around, tippy-tappy stuff and getting nowhere, perhaps then you need someone to come and and drive the ball through, even if they don't succeed they often get brought down and we get a free kick in a good position. This is a ploy which Macca often uses in his runs from defence, it changes play and makes things happen, and we get a result. Seems to me we are changing an individual talent, and it is that talent which sets him apart and makes him attractive to us.
Negative again what a surprise, obviously paolo only sees the guy every day and has a long term game plan, but the wizard knows best.
I was trying to make the point that we already have players that fulfil this role and the whole thing about Bostock was , he was different and offered a different approach to everyone else. This forum is to express views, I saw Bostock as different and positive compared to the likes of Navarro and Miller he is a breath of fresh air. I don't put down your posts, as all you do is comment on others, usually in a sniping manner. How about some originality from yourself instead of just kissing @r5e.
Kissing a@@e, haha. You rebel wizard! Paolo wants 11 men playing for the team, no show boating tip tappy football. Like Liverpool this will take time.

But hey you know more than paolo(well you think so).
I have spent a life time advocating team work, but if everyone is "the same" you can get blandness across the whole spectrum of players, all same...ish. Sometimes you need somebody who does things differently, because the predictability of your team makes it all too simple for your opponent to second guess what you are going to do, and how you are going to set about doing it.

Colchester and Orient knew that and as a result nullified our team and stole three points. Individuals that are different change games and break down the opponent into a role play they didn't want to do, therefore making mistakes from which we should capitalise. No point in changing Bostock into something he is not comfortable with, his whole attraction was, he did things differently and forced the opposition into mistakes.
[quote][p][bold]Exmouth_red69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Exmouth_red69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: Oh dear me, and there was me thinking we chased him and we wanted him precisely because of the way he is which set him apart from all the others, and now we want to change him to make make him just like the others. Surely when you have many passing the ball around, tippy-tappy stuff and getting nowhere, perhaps then you need someone to come and and drive the ball through, even if they don't succeed they often get brought down and we get a free kick in a good position. This is a ploy which Macca often uses in his runs from defence, it changes play and makes things happen, and we get a result. Seems to me we are changing an individual talent, and it is that talent which sets him apart and makes him attractive to us.[/p][/quote]Negative again what a surprise, obviously paolo only sees the guy every day and has a long term game plan, but the wizard knows best.[/p][/quote]I was trying to make the point that we already have players that fulfil this role and the whole thing about Bostock was , he was different and offered a different approach to everyone else. This forum is to express views, I saw Bostock as different and positive compared to the likes of Navarro and Miller he is a breath of fresh air. I don't put down your posts, as all you do is comment on others, usually in a sniping manner. How about some originality from yourself instead of just kissing @r5e.[/p][/quote]Kissing a@@e, haha. You rebel wizard! Paolo wants 11 men playing for the team, no show boating tip tappy football. Like Liverpool this will take time. But hey you know more than paolo(well you think so).[/p][/quote]I have spent a life time advocating team work, but if everyone is "the same" you can get blandness across the whole spectrum of players, all same...ish. Sometimes you need somebody who does things differently, because the predictability of your team makes it all too simple for your opponent to second guess what you are going to do, and how you are going to set about doing it. Colchester and Orient knew that and as a result nullified our team and stole three points. Individuals that are different change games and break down the opponent into a role play they didn't want to do, therefore making mistakes from which we should capitalise. No point in changing Bostock into something he is not comfortable with, his whole attraction was, he did things differently and forced the opposition into mistakes. the wizard

11:13am Sat 6 Oct 12

Chish and Fips says...

the wizard wrote:
Exmouth_red69 wrote:
the wizard wrote:
Exmouth_red69 wrote:
the wizard wrote:
Oh dear me, and there was me thinking we chased him and we wanted him precisely because of the way he is which set him apart from all the others, and now we want to change him to make make him just like the others.
Surely when you have many passing the ball around, tippy-tappy stuff and getting nowhere, perhaps then you need someone to come and and drive the ball through, even if they don't succeed they often get brought down and we get a free kick in a good position. This is a ploy which Macca often uses in his runs from defence, it changes play and makes things happen, and we get a result. Seems to me we are changing an individual talent, and it is that talent which sets him apart and makes him attractive to us.
Negative again what a surprise, obviously paolo only sees the guy every day and has a long term game plan, but the wizard knows best.
I was trying to make the point that we already have players that fulfil this role and the whole thing about Bostock was , he was different and offered a different approach to everyone else. This forum is to express views, I saw Bostock as different and positive compared to the likes of Navarro and Miller he is a breath of fresh air. I don't put down your posts, as all you do is comment on others, usually in a sniping manner. How about some originality from yourself instead of just kissing @r5e.
Kissing a@@e, haha. You rebel wizard! Paolo wants 11 men playing for the team, no show boating tip tappy football. Like Liverpool this will take time.

But hey you know more than paolo(well you think so).
I have spent a life time advocating team work, but if everyone is "the same" you can get blandness across the whole spectrum of players, all same...ish. Sometimes you need somebody who does things differently, because the predictability of your team makes it all too simple for your opponent to second guess what you are going to do, and how you are going to set about doing it.

Colchester and Orient knew that and as a result nullified our team and stole three points. Individuals that are different change games and break down the opponent into a role play they didn't want to do, therefore making mistakes from which we should capitalise. No point in changing Bostock into something he is not comfortable with, his whole attraction was, he did things differently and forced the opposition into mistakes.
Tend to agree with you Wiz - having a team of clones is all well and good, but also having players who are allowed express themselves during game in their own manner can be good, providing it is kept under some kind of control.
Which may sound a contradiction there, but to try and blend someone into someone they are not in my minds eye doesn't always work to well.
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Exmouth_red69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Exmouth_red69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: Oh dear me, and there was me thinking we chased him and we wanted him precisely because of the way he is which set him apart from all the others, and now we want to change him to make make him just like the others. Surely when you have many passing the ball around, tippy-tappy stuff and getting nowhere, perhaps then you need someone to come and and drive the ball through, even if they don't succeed they often get brought down and we get a free kick in a good position. This is a ploy which Macca often uses in his runs from defence, it changes play and makes things happen, and we get a result. Seems to me we are changing an individual talent, and it is that talent which sets him apart and makes him attractive to us.[/p][/quote]Negative again what a surprise, obviously paolo only sees the guy every day and has a long term game plan, but the wizard knows best.[/p][/quote]I was trying to make the point that we already have players that fulfil this role and the whole thing about Bostock was , he was different and offered a different approach to everyone else. This forum is to express views, I saw Bostock as different and positive compared to the likes of Navarro and Miller he is a breath of fresh air. I don't put down your posts, as all you do is comment on others, usually in a sniping manner. How about some originality from yourself instead of just kissing @r5e.[/p][/quote]Kissing a@@e, haha. You rebel wizard! Paolo wants 11 men playing for the team, no show boating tip tappy football. Like Liverpool this will take time. But hey you know more than paolo(well you think so).[/p][/quote]I have spent a life time advocating team work, but if everyone is "the same" you can get blandness across the whole spectrum of players, all same...ish. Sometimes you need somebody who does things differently, because the predictability of your team makes it all too simple for your opponent to second guess what you are going to do, and how you are going to set about doing it. Colchester and Orient knew that and as a result nullified our team and stole three points. Individuals that are different change games and break down the opponent into a role play they didn't want to do, therefore making mistakes from which we should capitalise. No point in changing Bostock into something he is not comfortable with, his whole attraction was, he did things differently and forced the opposition into mistakes.[/p][/quote]Tend to agree with you Wiz - having a team of clones is all well and good, but also having players who are allowed express themselves during game in their own manner can be good, providing it is kept under some kind of control. Which may sound a contradiction there, but to try and blend someone into someone they are not in my minds eye doesn't always work to well. Chish and Fips

11:20am Sat 6 Oct 12

Rhs Boydy says...

Have to say I agree with Wiz. From what Paolo said about him last year I think we all expected more of the same individual direct running from a regularly playing Bostock.

I can understand Paolo wants a team playing together rather than individuals and he's the guy that sees them day in day out however this does seem to be the curse of English football in recent years. Take a player with natural creativity and flair then work that out of them and make them another run of the mill work horse.
Joe Cole at West Ham may sometimes have drifted out of games as he was double teamed but he had the ability to create a match winner out of nothing. He gets a big money move to Chelsea and they don't play him untill all that natural talent has been over come and the boring work horse that he became doesn't add anything to games so he gets bounced from team to team.
I hope this doesn't happen with Bostock too.
Have to say I agree with Wiz. From what Paolo said about him last year I think we all expected more of the same individual direct running from a regularly playing Bostock. I can understand Paolo wants a team playing together rather than individuals and he's the guy that sees them day in day out however this does seem to be the curse of English football in recent years. Take a player with natural creativity and flair then work that out of them and make them another run of the mill work horse. Joe Cole at West Ham may sometimes have drifted out of games as he was double teamed but he had the ability to create a match winner out of nothing. He gets a big money move to Chelsea and they don't play him untill all that natural talent has been over come and the boring work horse that he became doesn't add anything to games so he gets bounced from team to team. I hope this doesn't happen with Bostock too. Rhs Boydy

11:26am Sat 6 Oct 12

Davidsyrett says...

I agree with wiz on this one, we need one or two players to come into the team and change the way we play, otherwise we are just too predictable.

This season 2 average teams have come to the CG, stopped us playing and walked away with 3 points, in both games we never got going, it was crying out for a "Bostock" to come on and do something unpredictable.

We need some flair in the side, work ethics are fine to a point, but if we've got no-one to change a game, then we are going to struggle in a lot of games this season.
I agree with wiz on this one, we need one or two players to come into the team and change the way we play, otherwise we are just too predictable. This season 2 average teams have come to the CG, stopped us playing and walked away with 3 points, in both games we never got going, it was crying out for a "Bostock" to come on and do something unpredictable. We need some flair in the side, work ethics are fine to a point, but if we've got no-one to change a game, then we are going to struggle in a lot of games this season. Davidsyrett

11:33am Sat 6 Oct 12

dreamofacleansheet2 says...

Paolo a> wants him fit, b> wants him to fit into the team ethic c> wants to nick him off Spurs in January.

Remember Super Sir Wes didn't come until mid October last year. Let's just let Paolo develop the players shall we. Just listen to Jay and what he said yesterday. It's not about stopping creativity. Does Matt Ritchie get stiffled in our system? Playing him on the "wrong" wing gives him more chance to express himself by shooting. (a little to much sometimes)!

Does Macca get told not to run the ball out of defence? Nope and I wish he did it more often!
Paolo a> wants him fit, b> wants him to fit into the team ethic c> wants to nick him off Spurs in January. Remember Super Sir Wes didn't come until mid October last year. Let's just let Paolo develop the players shall we. Just listen to Jay and what he said yesterday. It's not about stopping creativity. Does Matt Ritchie get stiffled in our system? Playing him on the "wrong" wing gives him more chance to express himself by shooting. (a little to much sometimes)! Does Macca get told not to run the ball out of defence? Nope and I wish he did it more often! dreamofacleansheet2

12:14pm Sat 6 Oct 12

Wilesy says...

I'm a bit puzzled by this as when Bostock came on against Oxford he ran the show and looked the best player on the pitch by a mile. Oxford ended up sticking 2 or 3 players on him he was causing havoc.

I'm amazed if that was not to Paolo's liking but it appears to be as he hasn't played since.

Bringing Bostock on at Oxford wasn't a huge tactical change, it was just a change of personnel within the system, but Bostock's undoubted quality shone out for all to see, even if not playing in his preferred position.

It seems as though this season Paolo's tactic is to apply Plan A for one team, Plan B for another team. This is fine, but during the game when the chosen plan doesn't work Paolo seems to just change the personnel, not the system.

Maybe this is part of the learning curve, and in due course he will make slightly more adventurous tactical changes during games when things obviously aren't working.

As for Bostock as a fan I would like to see him play, he does stuff that others can't. He is arguably our best player, lets get him on the pitch!
I'm a bit puzzled by this as when Bostock came on against Oxford he ran the show and looked the best player on the pitch by a mile. Oxford ended up sticking 2 or 3 players on him he was causing havoc. I'm amazed if that was not to Paolo's liking but it appears to be as he hasn't played since. Bringing Bostock on at Oxford wasn't a huge tactical change, it was just a change of personnel within the system, but Bostock's undoubted quality shone out for all to see, even if not playing in his preferred position. It seems as though this season Paolo's tactic is to apply Plan A for one team, Plan B for another team. This is fine, but during the game when the chosen plan doesn't work Paolo seems to just change the personnel, not the system. Maybe this is part of the learning curve, and in due course he will make slightly more adventurous tactical changes during games when things obviously aren't working. As for Bostock as a fan I would like to see him play, he does stuff that others can't. He is arguably our best player, lets get him on the pitch! Wilesy

12:20pm Sat 6 Oct 12

London Red says...

The thing is he is clearly NOT looking for a clone
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He clearly says there is a big difference between 442 and 4411 and he currently can't play 4411
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So we obviously don't have that type of player
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Also players are adapted all the time and because of it usually become much much better players
.
If we never adapted players we would never have seen Henry - a converted winger
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Then we have Messi and Ronaldo who to have adapted from wide players to centre forwards with devastating effects
.
It's obvious what PdC want he wants himself!
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He played the "Sheringham" or "Zola" role if you like to perfection so obviously know what it takes!
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Remember when he was talking about Williams not scoring he referred to him and said assist were his main part
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We don't have a player in the hole and really it is him or Ritchie who are best to play there
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I don't want to lose Rithie from what he is doing now so Bosock is prime for that role
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Get him trained up and then see that we will suddenly have a plan B and C available! What has been moaned at recently was lacking
.
Also let's not forget he signed on a 6 month deal so between now and Feb we have a min of 22 games - plenty of time for Bostock to make an impact
The thing is he is clearly NOT looking for a clone . He clearly says there is a big difference between 442 and 4411 and he currently can't play 4411 . So we obviously don't have that type of player . Also players are adapted all the time and because of it usually become much much better players . If we never adapted players we would never have seen Henry - a converted winger . Then we have Messi and Ronaldo who to have adapted from wide players to centre forwards with devastating effects . It's obvious what PdC want he wants himself! . He played the "Sheringham" or "Zola" role if you like to perfection so obviously know what it takes! . Remember when he was talking about Williams not scoring he referred to him and said assist were his main part . We don't have a player in the hole and really it is him or Ritchie who are best to play there . I don't want to lose Rithie from what he is doing now so Bosock is prime for that role . Get him trained up and then see that we will suddenly have a plan B and C available! What has been moaned at recently was lacking . Also let's not forget he signed on a 6 month deal so between now and Feb we have a min of 22 games - plenty of time for Bostock to make an impact London Red

12:29pm Sat 6 Oct 12

Davidsyrett says...

Wilesy wrote:
I'm a bit puzzled by this as when Bostock came on against Oxford he ran the show and looked the best player on the pitch by a mile. Oxford ended up sticking 2 or 3 players on him he was causing havoc.

I'm amazed if that was not to Paolo's liking but it appears to be as he hasn't played since.

Bringing Bostock on at Oxford wasn't a huge tactical change, it was just a change of personnel within the system, but Bostock's undoubted quality shone out for all to see, even if not playing in his preferred position.

It seems as though this season Paolo's tactic is to apply Plan A for one team, Plan B for another team. This is fine, but during the game when the chosen plan doesn't work Paolo seems to just change the personnel, not the system.

Maybe this is part of the learning curve, and in due course he will make slightly more adventurous tactical changes during games when things obviously aren't working.

As for Bostock as a fan I would like to see him play, he does stuff that others can't. He is arguably our best player, lets get him on the pitch!
Agree, give the guy a chance!! he cant be any worse than those who played on Tuesday.
[quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: I'm a bit puzzled by this as when Bostock came on against Oxford he ran the show and looked the best player on the pitch by a mile. Oxford ended up sticking 2 or 3 players on him he was causing havoc. I'm amazed if that was not to Paolo's liking but it appears to be as he hasn't played since. Bringing Bostock on at Oxford wasn't a huge tactical change, it was just a change of personnel within the system, but Bostock's undoubted quality shone out for all to see, even if not playing in his preferred position. It seems as though this season Paolo's tactic is to apply Plan A for one team, Plan B for another team. This is fine, but during the game when the chosen plan doesn't work Paolo seems to just change the personnel, not the system. Maybe this is part of the learning curve, and in due course he will make slightly more adventurous tactical changes during games when things obviously aren't working. As for Bostock as a fan I would like to see him play, he does stuff that others can't. He is arguably our best player, lets get him on the pitch![/p][/quote]Agree, give the guy a chance!! he cant be any worse than those who played on Tuesday. Davidsyrett

12:33pm Sat 6 Oct 12

the wizard says...

I hear what you are saying LR, but for the grace of our lord, why if he is on the bench during 90 minutes of duress like we have seen with Orient and C'chester and not got a sniff as a sub for 20 minutes to try and change things around. In those circumstances he is worth a hundred Millers or Navarro's who were both hopelessly nullified and marked out of the game, because of how they play. He has got to be worth a punt because he makes things happen, something which a few have struggled to do while passing it square and passing it back and passing it square and passing it back and putting us under pressure rather than taking the game into the visitors box and putting pressure there for a change and bringing Ritchie and Roberts/RDV and Williams and Collins into the game in a forward position rather than seeing them "wasted" in another, yet another, yet another rear guard action. Its almost as if we have given up and no alternative plan, and yet there is an alternative sat there on the bench, what a waste.
I hear what you are saying LR, but for the grace of our lord, why if he is on the bench during 90 minutes of duress like we have seen with Orient and C'chester and not got a sniff as a sub for 20 minutes to try and change things around. In those circumstances he is worth a hundred Millers or Navarro's who were both hopelessly nullified and marked out of the game, because of how they play. He has got to be worth a punt because he makes things happen, something which a few have struggled to do while passing it square and passing it back and passing it square and passing it back and putting us under pressure rather than taking the game into the visitors box and putting pressure there for a change and bringing Ritchie and Roberts/RDV and Williams and Collins into the game in a forward position rather than seeing them "wasted" in another, yet another, yet another rear guard action. Its almost as if we have given up and no alternative plan, and yet there is an alternative sat there on the bench, what a waste. the wizard

12:40pm Sat 6 Oct 12

billbst says...

old town robin wrote:
I'm glad Sam asked the same question as many of us have been asking for weeks. Replace Bostocks name with Luke Rooney and I think Paolo's response would have been exactly the same. He is looking for players to give their all for the team not themselves.

He has made it clear, at this point of time he is not looking at flair he wants players that commit to working as a team. Good that they have had a chat of how they go forward, Bostock will never lose his natural talent and will be a better player for it if he adds something extra to his game. If he was looking for role models to improve his game I think Frank Lampard would be the one he should look at. Started his career at West Ham and wasn't considered to be that good, but once he arrived at Chelsea under another Italian, was it Ranier or Vialli, can't remember, he then became world class.

It was always a question for me where he would fit in and as most of us suspected it will be in a 4-4-1-1 line up with him playing just behind the striker and linking up with mid-field. I think we may see him get some time playing today. I also think we will make a bid for him in January, last 6 months of his contract approaching and little to no chance of making Tottenhams first team, just depends who else might be interested in him, might be another reason why Paolo has kept him under wraps.
OTR. I agree that this was a question that needed answering. I also think that the reply and McEveley's piece yesterday helps a lot to seewhere Paolo is focussing now. To quote "..our mechanism and our shape are our leaders." Highlights where the tensions arise and why he fees the need for double training sessions. My mind agrees with Paolo's aproach but my heart remembers players such as Best, Marsh, Charlie George, Stan Bowles, Jim Baxter, Don Rogers, etc.Never were team players but they were the ones that brought excitement to the game. I guess Paolo is not ruling out such quality in the future but just now we have to conform to this way to be successful with what we have.
[quote][p][bold]old town robin[/bold] wrote: I'm glad Sam asked the same question as many of us have been asking for weeks. Replace Bostocks name with Luke Rooney and I think Paolo's response would have been exactly the same. He is looking for players to give their all for the team not themselves. He has made it clear, at this point of time he is not looking at flair he wants players that commit to working as a team. Good that they have had a chat of how they go forward, Bostock will never lose his natural talent and will be a better player for it if he adds something extra to his game. If he was looking for role models to improve his game I think Frank Lampard would be the one he should look at. Started his career at West Ham and wasn't considered to be that good, but once he arrived at Chelsea under another Italian, was it Ranier or Vialli, can't remember, he then became world class. It was always a question for me where he would fit in and as most of us suspected it will be in a 4-4-1-1 line up with him playing just behind the striker and linking up with mid-field. I think we may see him get some time playing today. I also think we will make a bid for him in January, last 6 months of his contract approaching and little to no chance of making Tottenhams first team, just depends who else might be interested in him, might be another reason why Paolo has kept him under wraps.[/p][/quote]OTR. I agree that this was a question that needed answering. I also think that the reply and McEveley's piece yesterday helps a lot to seewhere Paolo is focussing now. To quote "..our mechanism and our shape are our leaders." Highlights where the tensions arise and why he fees the need for double training sessions. My mind agrees with Paolo's aproach but my heart remembers players such as Best, Marsh, Charlie George, Stan Bowles, Jim Baxter, Don Rogers, etc.Never were team players but they were the ones that brought excitement to the game. I guess Paolo is not ruling out such quality in the future but just now we have to conform to this way to be successful with what we have. billbst

12:47pm Sat 6 Oct 12

DarrenSTFCRomain says...

the wizard wrote:
Exmouth_red69 wrote:
the wizard wrote:
Exmouth_red69 wrote:
the wizard wrote: Oh dear me, and there was me thinking we chased him and we wanted him precisely because of the way he is which set him apart from all the others, and now we want to change him to make make him just like the others. Surely when you have many passing the ball around, tippy-tappy stuff and getting nowhere, perhaps then you need someone to come and and drive the ball through, even if they don't succeed they often get brought down and we get a free kick in a good position. This is a ploy which Macca often uses in his runs from defence, it changes play and makes things happen, and we get a result. Seems to me we are changing an individual talent, and it is that talent which sets him apart and makes him attractive to us.
Negative again what a surprise, obviously paolo only sees the guy every day and has a long term game plan, but the wizard knows best.
I was trying to make the point that we already have players that fulfil this role and the whole thing about Bostock was , he was different and offered a different approach to everyone else. This forum is to express views, I saw Bostock as different and positive compared to the likes of Navarro and Miller he is a breath of fresh air. I don't put down your posts, as all you do is comment on others, usually in a sniping manner. How about some originality from yourself instead of just kissing @r5e.
Kissing a@@e, haha. You rebel wizard! Paolo wants 11 men playing for the team, no show boating tip tappy football. Like Liverpool this will take time. But hey you know more than paolo(well you think so).
I have spent a life time advocating team work, but if everyone is "the same" you can get blandness across the whole spectrum of players, all same...ish. Sometimes you need somebody who does things differently, because the predictability of your team makes it all too simple for your opponent to second guess what you are going to do, and how you are going to set about doing it. Colchester and Orient knew that and as a result nullified our team and stole three points. Individuals that are different change games and break down the opponent into a role play they didn't want to do, therefore making mistakes from which we should capitalise. No point in changing Bostock into something he is not comfortable with, his whole attraction was, he did things differently and forced the opposition into mistakes.
Spot on wiz....
There is only 1 way are team play,
and your right we are very predictabil...

After all,This is why Paolo was such a great player..

Even Paolo dint know what Paolo was going to play week in week out
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Exmouth_red69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Exmouth_red69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: Oh dear me, and there was me thinking we chased him and we wanted him precisely because of the way he is which set him apart from all the others, and now we want to change him to make make him just like the others. Surely when you have many passing the ball around, tippy-tappy stuff and getting nowhere, perhaps then you need someone to come and and drive the ball through, even if they don't succeed they often get brought down and we get a free kick in a good position. This is a ploy which Macca often uses in his runs from defence, it changes play and makes things happen, and we get a result. Seems to me we are changing an individual talent, and it is that talent which sets him apart and makes him attractive to us.[/p][/quote]Negative again what a surprise, obviously paolo only sees the guy every day and has a long term game plan, but the wizard knows best.[/p][/quote]I was trying to make the point that we already have players that fulfil this role and the whole thing about Bostock was , he was different and offered a different approach to everyone else. This forum is to express views, I saw Bostock as different and positive compared to the likes of Navarro and Miller he is a breath of fresh air. I don't put down your posts, as all you do is comment on others, usually in a sniping manner. How about some originality from yourself instead of just kissing @r5e.[/p][/quote]Kissing a@@e, haha. You rebel wizard! Paolo wants 11 men playing for the team, no show boating tip tappy football. Like Liverpool this will take time. But hey you know more than paolo(well you think so).[/p][/quote]I have spent a life time advocating team work, but if everyone is "the same" you can get blandness across the whole spectrum of players, all same...ish. Sometimes you need somebody who does things differently, because the predictability of your team makes it all too simple for your opponent to second guess what you are going to do, and how you are going to set about doing it. Colchester and Orient knew that and as a result nullified our team and stole three points. Individuals that are different change games and break down the opponent into a role play they didn't want to do, therefore making mistakes from which we should capitalise. No point in changing Bostock into something he is not comfortable with, his whole attraction was, he did things differently and forced the opposition into mistakes.[/p][/quote]Spot on wiz.... There is only 1 way are team play, and your right we are very predictabil... After all,This is why Paolo was such a great player.. Even Paolo dint know what Paolo was going to play week in week out DarrenSTFCRomain

12:54pm Sat 6 Oct 12

London Red says...

I agree 20 mins might have been worth a punt
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Then again PdC has repeated it today the need to grind out draws and these extra 5, 6, or 7 points may make a big difference - Bostock wouldn't feature in grinding out a draw
.
Guess he felt that he wouldn't win it on his own and as so many others were off their game it would help him?????
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Redknapp and O'Neil are prime examples of getting a team to achieve more than the individual components
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Yes we would all love an individual who is so good they run the show on their own - but they are few and not normally down in the lower leagues
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So I guess a solid team working to orders is the best way to achieve success at this stage
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Also as said that doesn't mean no creativity we have seen plenty from the likes of Ritchie
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It's just PdC wants he other 8, 9 or 10 to be ultra disciplined to allow that
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I don't think he wants to totally stop Bostock being individual and creative - just wants him to improve on other aspects - remember Ritchie works extremely hard for the team alongside his creative element
I agree 20 mins might have been worth a punt . Then again PdC has repeated it today the need to grind out draws and these extra 5, 6, or 7 points may make a big difference - Bostock wouldn't feature in grinding out a draw . Guess he felt that he wouldn't win it on his own and as so many others were off their game it would help him????? . Redknapp and O'Neil are prime examples of getting a team to achieve more than the individual components . Yes we would all love an individual who is so good they run the show on their own - but they are few and not normally down in the lower leagues . So I guess a solid team working to orders is the best way to achieve success at this stage . Also as said that doesn't mean no creativity we have seen plenty from the likes of Ritchie . It's just PdC wants he other 8, 9 or 10 to be ultra disciplined to allow that . I don't think he wants to totally stop Bostock being individual and creative - just wants him to improve on other aspects - remember Ritchie works extremely hard for the team alongside his creative element London Red

12:55pm Sat 6 Oct 12

London Red says...

Wouldn't help him even
Wouldn't help him even London Red

1:05pm Sat 6 Oct 12

DarrenSTFCRomain says...

London Red wrote:
The thing is he is clearly NOT looking for a clone . He clearly says there is a big difference between 442 and 4411 and he currently can't play 4411 . So we obviously don't have that type of player . Also players are adapted all the time and because of it usually become much much better players . If we never adapted players we would never have seen Henry - a converted winger . Then we have Messi and Ronaldo who to have adapted from wide players to centre forwards with devastating effects . It's obvious what PdC want he wants himself! . He played the "Sheringham" or "Zola" role if you like to perfection so obviously know what it takes! . Remember when he was talking about Williams not scoring he referred to him and said assist were his main part . We don't have a player in the hole and really it is him or Ritchie who are best to play there . I don't want to lose Rithie from what he is doing now so Bosock is prime for that role . Get him trained up and then see that we will suddenly have a plan B and C available! What has been moaned at recently was lacking . Also let's not forget he signed on a 6 month deal so between now and Feb we have a min of 22 games - plenty of time for Bostock to make an impact
Dont understand why you keep bringing world class players in2 the likes of how we could play..

Messi and Ronaldo Sheringham" or "Zola have nothing ALL TO DO WITH SWINDON TOWN FC....
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: The thing is he is clearly NOT looking for a clone . He clearly says there is a big difference between 442 and 4411 and he currently can't play 4411 . So we obviously don't have that type of player . Also players are adapted all the time and because of it usually become much much better players . If we never adapted players we would never have seen Henry - a converted winger . Then we have Messi and Ronaldo who to have adapted from wide players to centre forwards with devastating effects . It's obvious what PdC want he wants himself! . He played the "Sheringham" or "Zola" role if you like to perfection so obviously know what it takes! . Remember when he was talking about Williams not scoring he referred to him and said assist were his main part . We don't have a player in the hole and really it is him or Ritchie who are best to play there . I don't want to lose Rithie from what he is doing now so Bosock is prime for that role . Get him trained up and then see that we will suddenly have a plan B and C available! What has been moaned at recently was lacking . Also let's not forget he signed on a 6 month deal so between now and Feb we have a min of 22 games - plenty of time for Bostock to make an impact[/p][/quote]Dont understand why you keep bringing world class players in2 the likes of how we could play.. Messi and Ronaldo Sheringham" or "Zola have nothing ALL TO DO WITH SWINDON TOWN FC.... DarrenSTFCRomain

1:55pm Sat 6 Oct 12

Another view says...

I'm with you on two counts, Wiz. One, it's not only good to watch flair players but their unpredictability can change games. We don't seem to be very good at turning games round when we lose the first goal, so 20-30 minutes of Bostock would surely offer us a plan B.

Two, of course you have a right to come on here and give your opinion. We are all 'frustrated managers', and it's fascinating to read the different views on here.

It won't be the first time that I've come on here to make my point then the team goes out the next game and makes my ideas look stupid - but come the next week I'll still want to pit my wits against Paolo's!!
I'm with you on two counts, Wiz. One, it's not only good to watch flair players but their unpredictability can change games. We don't seem to be very good at turning games round when we lose the first goal, so 20-30 minutes of Bostock would surely offer us a plan B. Two, of course you have a right to come on here and give your opinion. We are all 'frustrated managers', and it's fascinating to read the different views on here. It won't be the first time that I've come on here to make my point then the team goes out the next game and makes my ideas look stupid - but come the next week I'll still want to pit my wits against Paolo's!! Another view

2:15pm Sat 6 Oct 12

Psychedelic Syd says...

I'm in Wiz's camp too, Bostock should be given his chance and his natural ability and flair should be allowed to flourish. There are too many predictable players around, Bostock would give us something extra. Try him and Ferry in midfield for something really creative, surely they couldn't perform as poorly as Navarro and Miller have of late? Our midfiled has been a big weakness and Bostock provides a strong attacking option.
I'm in Wiz's camp too, Bostock should be given his chance and his natural ability and flair should be allowed to flourish. There are too many predictable players around, Bostock would give us something extra. Try him and Ferry in midfield for something really creative, surely they couldn't perform as poorly as Navarro and Miller have of late? Our midfiled has been a big weakness and Bostock provides a strong attacking option. Psychedelic Syd

2:51pm Sat 6 Oct 12

London Red says...

Darren can't work out if you are trying to be funny and failing or just thick!
.
I'm clearly not saying we should sign or play those players - especially as most have retired!

It is very common in football to use a famous player who was iconic in a certain role so people know exactly what is being described
.
So simply think what Sheringham was like and then think that's the type of player I personally think PdC wants Bostock to play LIKE
.
Sorry probably confused you more now
Darren can't work out if you are trying to be funny and failing or just thick! . I'm clearly not saying we should sign or play those players - especially as most have retired! It is very common in football to use a famous player who was iconic in a certain role so people know exactly what is being described . So simply think what Sheringham was like and then think that's the type of player I personally think PdC wants Bostock to play LIKE . Sorry probably confused you more now London Red

3:46pm Sat 6 Oct 12

jayden says...

London Red wrote:
Darren can't work out if you are trying to be funny and failing or just thick!
.
I'm clearly not saying we should sign or play those players - especially as most have retired!

It is very common in football to use a famous player who was iconic in a certain role so people know exactly what is being described
.
So simply think what Sheringham was like and then think that's the type of player I personally think PdC wants Bostock to play LIKE
.
Sorry probably confused you more now
Er, Lr if you cant work out what Darren is saying then it might be you who is a bit thick .You have taken some stick this week ,some justified some not but to call someone thick is very borish .
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Darren can't work out if you are trying to be funny and failing or just thick! . I'm clearly not saying we should sign or play those players - especially as most have retired! It is very common in football to use a famous player who was iconic in a certain role so people know exactly what is being described . So simply think what Sheringham was like and then think that's the type of player I personally think PdC wants Bostock to play LIKE . Sorry probably confused you more now[/p][/quote]Er, Lr if you cant work out what Darren is saying then it might be you who is a bit thick .You have taken some stick this week ,some justified some not but to call someone thick is very borish . jayden

5:48pm Sat 6 Oct 12

Wilesy says...

Why take a player on loan if he's not suitable to fit straight into the side and needs adapting? Get one who is ready!

Mould an existing player yes but seems a waste of 2 months pay for a loan player.
Why take a player on loan if he's not suitable to fit straight into the side and needs adapting? Get one who is ready! Mould an existing player yes but seems a waste of 2 months pay for a loan player. Wilesy

8:39pm Sat 6 Oct 12

mikek says...

I do have a feeling Bostock is being kept under wraps and Paolo wants to purchase the guy in January so wants him out of the limelight.No good playing the guy and him getting rave reviews then Spurs will want him back or bigger fee so I do believe Paolo does have an agenda here. Simply because why would he have tracked him so hard only to leave him in the stands or bench. Paolo does act some strange ways and very un-predictable.
I do have a feeling Bostock is being kept under wraps and Paolo wants to purchase the guy in January so wants him out of the limelight.No good playing the guy and him getting rave reviews then Spurs will want him back or bigger fee so I do believe Paolo does have an agenda here. Simply because why would he have tracked him so hard only to leave him in the stands or bench. Paolo does act some strange ways and very un-predictable. mikek

9:32pm Sat 6 Oct 12

Steve. Brentford says...

jayden wrote:
London Red wrote:
Darren can't work out if you are trying to be funny and failing or just thick!
.
I'm clearly not saying we should sign or play those players - especially as most have retired!

It is very common in football to use a famous player who was iconic in a certain role so people know exactly what is being described
.
So simply think what Sheringham was like and then think that's the type of player I personally think PdC wants Bostock to play LIKE
.
Sorry probably confused you more now
Er, Lr if you cant work out what Darren is saying then it might be you who is a bit thick .You have taken some stick this week ,some justified some not but to call someone thick is very borish .
Well said Jayden,one more game with me and i could have you meeting up outside the Townend for a bt of rough and tumble :O)
[quote][p][bold]jayden[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Darren can't work out if you are trying to be funny and failing or just thick! . I'm clearly not saying we should sign or play those players - especially as most have retired! It is very common in football to use a famous player who was iconic in a certain role so people know exactly what is being described . So simply think what Sheringham was like and then think that's the type of player I personally think PdC wants Bostock to play LIKE . Sorry probably confused you more now[/p][/quote]Er, Lr if you cant work out what Darren is saying then it might be you who is a bit thick .You have taken some stick this week ,some justified some not but to call someone thick is very borish .[/p][/quote]Well said Jayden,one more game with me and i could have you meeting up outside the Townend for a bt of rough and tumble :O) Steve. Brentford

10:06pm Sat 6 Oct 12

mrclick says...

Paolo will make a better player of Bostock, no question, this guy will be a real asset to the club, if he buys into the manager and performs how he is asked
Paolo will make a better player of Bostock, no question, this guy will be a real asset to the club, if he buys into the manager and performs how he is asked mrclick

10:16pm Sat 6 Oct 12

jayden says...

Steve. Brentford wrote:
jayden wrote:
London Red wrote:
Darren can't work out if you are trying to be funny and failing or just thick!
.
I'm clearly not saying we should sign or play those players - especially as most have retired!

It is very common in football to use a famous player who was iconic in a certain role so people know exactly what is being described
.
So simply think what Sheringham was like and then think that's the type of player I personally think PdC wants Bostock to play LIKE
.
Sorry probably confused you more now
Er, Lr if you cant work out what Darren is saying then it might be you who is a bit thick .You have taken some stick this week ,some justified some not but to call someone thick is very borish .
Well said Jayden,one more game with me and i could have you meeting up outside the Townend for a bt of rough and tumble :O)
Or we could turn into the chuckle bros" to you to me"
[quote][p][bold]Steve. Brentford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayden[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: Darren can't work out if you are trying to be funny and failing or just thick! . I'm clearly not saying we should sign or play those players - especially as most have retired! It is very common in football to use a famous player who was iconic in a certain role so people know exactly what is being described . So simply think what Sheringham was like and then think that's the type of player I personally think PdC wants Bostock to play LIKE . Sorry probably confused you more now[/p][/quote]Er, Lr if you cant work out what Darren is saying then it might be you who is a bit thick .You have taken some stick this week ,some justified some not but to call someone thick is very borish .[/p][/quote]Well said Jayden,one more game with me and i could have you meeting up outside the Townend for a bt of rough and tumble :O)[/p][/quote]Or we could turn into the chuckle bros" to you to me" jayden

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