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Paolo's thinly-veiled swipe at mentality of youth system
6:00am Monday 17th December 2012 in STFC News By Sam Morshead
SWIPE: Paolo Di Canio on Saturday
THE “hostile environment” that exists at Swindon Town is not at boardroom level but in other areas of the club, according to manager Paolo Di Canio.
In his post-match interview after the 2-0 victory at Oldham on Saturday, Di Canio launched into a thinly-veiled attack on the mentality of the youth system at the County Ground and seemed to take a swipe at under 18 manager Paul Bodin.
The Italian said he could end up staying in Swindon for “many years” and if he did there would be others who would have to leave as he changed the set-up of the Robins from top to bottom as he sees fit.
However, he stressed that the “hostile environment” he referred to during an interview last week was not a description of the atmosphere between himself and the Town board.
“I’m not talking about the board. I’m talking about some other areas, that there is a very unprofessional area.
“I’m sorry that the people are sad,” he said.
“When I talk about bringing Barcelona it’s not because I want to play like Barcelona because otherwise I would contradict myself.
“Not in the way we play – the mentality.
“Dedication is not wearing a Swindon tracksuit and a cup of tea and working in the County Ground corridor.
“It’s working 24 hours, even when you are at home, and dedicating yourself for the cause.
“My mission is this one.
“If someone is not capable already, one day he will have to go.
“This is my mission if in the future I still have the chance to stay in here.
“Now I have 18 months to go but everything can happen in life.
“My future can be many years in here if I have this chance.
“Now the priority is the first team but I will change because if someone claims this club has to bring up to the first team youth players every year – maybe pick two players – Paolo Di Canio will have to decide.
“I have nothing against any one of the young players but if they are not ready, because sometimes there is not enough quality we have to be honest, we don’t have to go angry.
“Maybe they can start thinking about school more and the parents have to help them think about school.
“Someone is a good prospect but probably he wasn’t taught well.
“When you see players at Crewe at 18 they are ready as a footballer.
“If I make someone go angry it’s not my problem.
“I work for the best of the cause because I don’t have any other interests than to make this club bigger than when I came in here.
“Already I brought this club to be bigger than before.
“I am in favour of this club, not against it.
“Paolo Di Canio one day, for sure, will leave but I want to leave good memories.
“I want to win. I want to put my name in a frame.
“I don’t have to stay 20 years with a Swindon tracksuit and be a simple employee, with all respect.
“I don’t wear a Swindon tracksuit with a cup of tea, I wear casual and I stay 24 hours working my brain to think how to do the best job for this club.”
Comments(96)
stfc49
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6:41am Mon 17 Dec 12
PDC I cannot believe your constant rants, why don't you manage instead of trying to use the press to get your way. Paul deserves respect for what he does and enjoys, how many times have you watched the youths 0, how can you judge when you have banned everyone at the club from talking to you. I think this is he final week of your power struggle and now J W has gone I don't think you will win this time.you have spoken to paul twice in 18 months,why do you dislike paul so badly when so man others respect and enjoy his company? Maybe as one of the directors has stated you are a coward, thus you bully and speak to the press rather than have confrontation. I think this time Mr Patey has to act to shut this talented but idiotic person up! I watch with interest this week
the wizard
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6:47am Mon 17 Dec 12
But, I'll bet he watches all the game, doesn't stand with his back to the game telling the dug out how good he is, and doesn't get sent to the stands.
Add to that brings on players like the Thompsons and Storey who have played their part in bailing out the senior squad this season all to good effect.
Probably goes about his business quietly and doesn't feel the need to rant and rave about every frustration he has in this life.
Add to that brings on players like the Thompsons and Storey who have played their part in bailing out the senior squad this season all to good effect.
Probably goes about his business quietly and doesn't feel the need to rant and rave about every frustration he has in this life.
jayden
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6:54am Mon 17 Dec 12
the wizard wrote:Wiz with due respect keep your nose out of things you dont have a clue what you are on about.
But, I'll bet he watches all the game, doesn't stand with his back to the game telling the dug out how good he is, and doesn't get sent to the stands.
Add to that brings on players like the Thompsons and Storey who have played their part in bailing out the senior squad this season all to good effect.
Probably goes about his business quietly and doesn't feel the need to rant and rave about every frustration he has in this life.
stfc49
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6:57am Mon 17 Dec 12
Jayden with the greatest respect everyone is entitled to an opinion, so have an opinion about the article and not about posts. Please do not bully like PDC
U REDS
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7:04am Mon 17 Dec 12
Oh dear. Didn't enjoy that read.
perth red
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7:09am Mon 17 Dec 12
Sorry guys, I can't agree with you. I think what he says makes a lot of sense. I greatly admired Paul Bodin as a player and he may well be a smashing bloke, but he's not the boss.
None of us really knows what goes on within the club, but if the boss (on the footballing side is not getting the support and co-operation of all his team then something has to happen. Paolo is a winner in everything he does, and that's what I want for Swindon Town. With all due respect PB's achievements as a coach/manager are very, very modest.
I'm sure that some things PDC does irritate all of us at some time or other, but better that than the mediocrity we have endured since Glen Hoddle. In ten years time when he's managing Barcelona and we are back in league 2, we'll all be saying how we wished we had tried a bit harder to encourage him to stay.
None of us really knows what goes on within the club, but if the boss (on the footballing side is not getting the support and co-operation of all his team then something has to happen. Paolo is a winner in everything he does, and that's what I want for Swindon Town. With all due respect PB's achievements as a coach/manager are very, very modest.
I'm sure that some things PDC does irritate all of us at some time or other, but better that than the mediocrity we have endured since Glen Hoddle. In ten years time when he's managing Barcelona and we are back in league 2, we'll all be saying how we wished we had tried a bit harder to encourage him to stay.
stfc49
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7:13am Mon 17 Dec 12
Perth red, but do it the right way, don't slag off in the press to make a situation of it is me or him! Very poor management just total press manipulation as usual, yet when others speak to the press PDC says it is wrong. As usual he has double standards.
jayden
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7:17am Mon 17 Dec 12
Grow some wiz you have never saw a youth game in your life so how come you are such an expert on this mater you just jump on the wagon and then say you are not anti pdc.Iwill tell you how BODIN manages shall i sat down with his arms folded and the players just shout back at him .Now i have nothing against pB you can see the players are technicality giffted and that is down to PB but their is no hart no helping team mates they play for themselfs not the team,not all ithink M.Francis is a good prospect,Yes every one is intitled to opinon but it is better to know what you are talking about rather than cheap shots.
Lambourn Red
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7:18am Mon 17 Dec 12
perth red wrote:Agree with every bit , the grass may not be greener on the other side for all those on here that want Paolo gone all I will say is be carefull what you wish for . For every PDC there a100 Paul Harts
Sorry guys, I can't agree with you. I think what he says makes a lot of sense. I greatly admired Paul Bodin as a player and he may well be a smashing bloke, but he's not the boss.
None of us really knows what goes on within the club, but if the boss (on the footballing side is not getting the support and co-operation of all his team then something has to happen. Paolo is a winner in everything he does, and that's what I want for Swindon Town. With all due respect PB's achievements as a coach/manager are very, very modest.
I'm sure that some things PDC does irritate all of us at some time or other, but better that than the mediocrity we have endured since Glen Hoddle. In ten years time when he's managing Barcelona and we are back in league 2, we'll all be saying how we wished we had tried a bit harder to encourage him to stay.
stfc49
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7:21am Mon 17 Dec 12
Jayden have you ever watched Paul on the training ground, how he coaches, encourages, advises? I have and he is fantastic. If Paul is as crap as you say, why is PDC so worried about him? Eh and leave wiz alone he is entitled to his opinion as we all are
KojaktheWarg
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7:22am Mon 17 Dec 12
Its funny how some moaners seem to know exactly what is going on in the background. The only thing that is clear is this - PDC got the team to work hard and got us promoted as champions. PDC has got an injury plagued team to 7th position in League 1. Not to mention cup runs.
The facts speak for themselves. And PDC can speak for himself.
I am with PDC any day. Well done PDC and the team for Saturdays result!!
The facts speak for themselves. And PDC can speak for himself.
I am with PDC any day. Well done PDC and the team for Saturdays result!!
perth red
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7:24am Mon 17 Dec 12
stfc49 wrote:"the right way" in you opinion. You don't know what discussions he might have had with the players about his style of management, and what they can expect from him. He's building a team around him who respect his methods. What dressing room rumblings are you hearing about? Any? Unlike when that nice Mr. Wilson was in charge! Look at the evidence in front of you before you condemn him.
Perth red, but do it the right way, don't slag off in the press to make a situation of it is me or him! Very poor management just total press manipulation as usual, yet when others speak to the press PDC says it is wrong. As usual he has double standards.
jayden
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7:27am Mon 17 Dec 12
stfc49 wrote:Yes i have and if you read my post you would see i said Paul is a good coach but no match day manager also i thought it was wiz i was posting to so sorry wiz.
Jayden have you ever watched Paul on the training ground, how he coaches, encourages, advises? I have and he is fantastic. If Paul is as crap as you say, why is PDC so worried about him? Eh and leave wiz alone he is entitled to his opinion as we all are
lacey198
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7:28am Mon 17 Dec 12
I'm sorry I completely agree with him. How many youth team players have come through before this season??? Now this season paolo has let two maybe 3 into the team.slowly,but is that after weeks of retraining with the first team, or were they ready? It suggests that they needed telling what to do, rather than being trained now in pdc's methods and ideology of football, which should run through the club. I'm Sorry but if bodin can't be bothered to teach that way, whether he enjoys it or not, then he isn't helping the long term vision of how we play.
jayden
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7:38am Mon 17 Dec 12
lacey198 wrote:What a good post thats spot on the youth need to play like the 1 team just like southampton do it then they are ready to step up a level.
I'm sorry I completely agree with him. How many youth team players have come through before this season??? Now this season paolo has let two maybe 3 into the team.slowly,but is that after weeks of retraining with the first team, or were they ready? It suggests that they needed telling what to do, rather than being trained now in pdc's methods and ideology of football, which should run through the club. I'm Sorry but if bodin can't be bothered to teach that way, whether he enjoys it or not, then he isn't helping the long term vision of how we play.
stfc2012
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7:45am Mon 17 Dec 12
No player anywhere is ready for first team straight from youth. You have to bed in. Different game. Pdc has never watched the youth team. We have developed good players over the years. The clown that said PB standindg with folded arms shows his coaching pedigree has no idea. Every coach is different. Pdc is just a control freak and I don't want him running the youth team through fear and intimidation like he does the first. Suggesting PB just puts a track suit on and takes his salary is unforgivable as this man has worked his back side off for this club and pdc is acting like an absolute idiot. No need for this public humiliation.
stfc49
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7:45am Mon 17 Dec 12
How do our first team play then? Wes kicks it up the park and we chase it? That's what has happened in the last four games I have seen, so is that what we should teach our youths? Also if PDC bothered to have a meet with the youth department to tell them what he wants, that could be a good way of getting things started, or will he do his usual style of management and get rid of the whole youth department because he can't man manage. If he wants a structure for the youths, nothing wrong with that, but sit down and do it properly, talk man to man, come up with a structured long term plan. If the plan is not followed then yes heads should roll, but stop using the press to vent his tiresome anger
the wizard
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7:49am Mon 17 Dec 12
jayden wrote:Well thanks for that, obviously time for me to lay a few cards on the table, but perhaps no I wont as I will not be drawn into a row that I don't want.
Grow some wiz you have never saw a youth game in your life so how come you are such an expert on this mater you just jump on the wagon and then say you are not anti pdc.Iwill tell you how BODIN manages shall i sat down with his arms folded and the players just shout back at him .Now i have nothing against pB you can see the players are technicality giffted and that is down to PB but their is no hart no helping team mates they play for themselfs not the team,not all ithink M.Francis is a good prospect,Yes every one is intitled to opinon but it is better to know what you are talking about rather than cheap shots.
Lets just say that although I appreciate the skills of our manager, his PR is rubbish, and instead of addressing the public via the press he should do the honest thing and speak to the man, that is if he has the nerve to do so.
All this carry on and blabbing to anyone who will print is cheap and very amateurish. There will be a grievance structure within the club and perhaps he should consider that as opposed to cheap shots at anyone and everyone in the club.
Its quite plain this is all part of his attitude towards the board since the removal of his friend Wray and the appointment of Patey, Its all politics. If Bodin goes one way or the other the manager will insist on a replacement that suits him, so therefore gains even more power within the club as his influence will be total. There is a lot more going on here than what meets the eye. Don't forget his totalitarian politics before he came here, they have taken a while, but they are beginning to surface.
Malkym
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7:55am Mon 17 Dec 12
jayden wrote:Hear hear sorry Wiz but Jayden is right you really don't know the square root of burger all about this do you?
the wizard wrote:Wiz with due respect keep your nose out of things you dont have a clue what you are on about.
But, I'll bet he watches all the game, doesn't stand with his back to the game telling the dug out how good he is, and doesn't get sent to the stands.
Add to that brings on players like the Thompsons and Storey who have played their part in bailing out the senior squad this season all to good effect.
Probably goes about his business quietly and doesn't feel the need to rant and rave about every frustration he has in this life.
Rod Bourne
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7:56am Mon 17 Dec 12
It doesn't matter whether you think what PDC is right or wrong (and I think he's wrong) he is using the press to bully a long term club servant of the club out of his job, not only does it show a complete lack of any style but its probably illegal.
stfc49
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8:03am Mon 17 Dec 12
Rodbourne, nail and head, sums it up,for me, thank you, now I'm off to play golf while jaydenngoes to his place of work
davel4848
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8:15am Mon 17 Dec 12
So, 'wizard ', is bringing PDC's politics into it now.You really are 'off the wall', mate. Perhaps being a wizard, you're actually sitting on the ceiling somewhere in your 'cloud cuckoo land'. Well done Jayden for speaking up against these bigots, who obviously want Messrs Hart or Wilson or King back as the manager.
stfc2012
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8:20am Mon 17 Dec 12
I'd take tony hart as manager
oldlegtrailer
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8:20am Mon 17 Dec 12
You lot sound like labour versus tories in parliament talking a load of crap.
stfc49
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8:28am Mon 17 Dec 12
Only one man talking crap, guess who? Let results, style of play do the talking. As PDC would do not naming names but 90 per cent of the club have a problem with a man who dresses casually eating pizza all day! 24 hours a day by all accounts
ChrisWantageRed
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8:41am Mon 17 Dec 12
I can see both points of view here. The observation that there have been relatively few players coming through the youth system before this year is a fair one, as is the observation that using the press to try to hound a man out of his job is wrong. It seems to me that in THIS case, PdC has made these comments out of frustration at not only the youth system, but the fact that, as he has already said, he feels he has no "liason" within the club that he can go to. Not an excuse, but surely something the chairman should be looking to fix BEFORE issues like this occur? I'm just thinking aloud really! But I have to say, although his method of delievry could have been better, I'm with PdC here.
the wizard
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8:43am Mon 17 Dec 12
davel4848 wrote:It is PDC who is playing politics, no dis respect but there is a bigger picture here which many are not seeing. I spent long enough in management to spot a manipulator and believe me there is a bit of a power struggle emerging here, which is probably part of the equation as to why Wray was removed. Without Wray the manager is isolated, as he is not talking to Patey. Why pick on Bodin, because the board would use Bodin as a temp manager should PDC go at any time. If a PDC man is there instead of Bodin when PDC goes he takes all his men with him, leaving the club without a paddle.
So, 'wizard ', is bringing PDC's politics into it now.You really are 'off the wall', mate. Perhaps being a wizard, you're actually sitting on the ceiling somewhere in your 'cloud cuckoo land'. Well done Jayden for speaking up against these bigots, who obviously want Messrs Hart or Wilson or King back as the manager.
HOOKEY
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8:56am Mon 17 Dec 12
perth red wrote:like your post spot on,ive watched the youth team a few times,they look like boys against men,think PDCis rite again
Sorry guys, I can't agree with you. I think what he says makes a lot of sense. I greatly admired Paul Bodin as a player and he may well be a smashing bloke, but he's not the boss.
None of us really knows what goes on within the club, but if the boss (on the footballing side is not getting the support and co-operation of all his team then something has to happen. Paolo is a winner in everything he does, and that's what I want for Swindon Town. With all due respect PB's achievements as a coach/manager are very, very modest.
I'm sure that some things PDC does irritate all of us at some time or other, but better that than the mediocrity we have endured since Glen Hoddle. In ten years time when he's managing Barcelona and we are back in league 2, we'll all be saying how we wished we had tried a bit harder to encourage him to stay.
Redhouse Red
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9:20am Mon 17 Dec 12
Whilst his delivery often lacks tact, his point is often valid.
In the last 2 years his leadership has transformed the 1st to become far more professional.
Has the youth set up under gone the same revolution?
In the last 2 years his leadership has transformed the 1st to become far more professional.
Has the youth set up under gone the same revolution?
oncearedalwaysared
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9:23am Mon 17 Dec 12
I am not a regular poster on here but I can offer some insight into this issue.
I suspect that PDC is referencing the general attitude of the junior squad who simply do not have the drive and desire that he expects. By association, the responsibility to input and develop that desire is down to the manager.
I do, and always have, admired PB but he seems to have a lack of control over his team where discipline is weak and the players seem to have little respect for rules.
Example: If PDC told a player off for using his mobile phone constantly during a team talk, only for that player to totally ignore him and carry on just 5 minutes later what do you think the consequence would be?
Truth is he would probably never play for STFC again.
If these under18's really want to grow and play for the club they need to learn now about discipline, both self and collective.
In defence of PB, I do not agree with PDC airing his dirty laundry in public. Most of all, he could do with lessons in man management and learn to communicate with his own management team effectively. At least try and turn the relationship around before it gets to a 'Him or Me' scenario because I, like so many others, still feel losing PB would be a great shame, but losing PDC right now would probably prove to be an even greater loss, regardless of his outbursts.
I suspect that PDC is referencing the general attitude of the junior squad who simply do not have the drive and desire that he expects. By association, the responsibility to input and develop that desire is down to the manager.
I do, and always have, admired PB but he seems to have a lack of control over his team where discipline is weak and the players seem to have little respect for rules.
Example: If PDC told a player off for using his mobile phone constantly during a team talk, only for that player to totally ignore him and carry on just 5 minutes later what do you think the consequence would be?
Truth is he would probably never play for STFC again.
If these under18's really want to grow and play for the club they need to learn now about discipline, both self and collective.
In defence of PB, I do not agree with PDC airing his dirty laundry in public. Most of all, he could do with lessons in man management and learn to communicate with his own management team effectively. At least try and turn the relationship around before it gets to a 'Him or Me' scenario because I, like so many others, still feel losing PB would be a great shame, but losing PDC right now would probably prove to be an even greater loss, regardless of his outbursts.
Wonder Strike
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9:25am Mon 17 Dec 12
I agree with Paolo on this. The youth team are not really making much progress. Losing 5-0 every year in the youth cup is not a learning experience. It is one year if you then do better the next.
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We need our youth system to completely emulate the 1st team. Same training, same tactics, same attitude.
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The whole club has to be going in the same direction. Paolo needs more say on the whole of the club. His Barcelona comments are spot on. He could really take us up a level if allowed and backed.
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We need our youth system to completely emulate the 1st team. Same training, same tactics, same attitude.
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The whole club has to be going in the same direction. Paolo needs more say on the whole of the club. His Barcelona comments are spot on. He could really take us up a level if allowed and backed.
Kingsdown 1974
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9:33am Mon 17 Dec 12
Shocking statement from DI Canio with regards to the youth setup at Swindon, probably a knee jerk reaction to the result against Liverpool, which to be honest was no surprise given the gulf in resources between the two sides. I have first hand experience of the youth setup and can guarantee that the staff work tirelessly to ensure that the lads receive the best football education and support possible on an annual budget which is probably comparable to the salary paid to Lukas Magera whilst he was at the club. There is no doubt that Di-Canio has restored some pride back into the club, however he’s had a a budget most managers would kill for, and to be honest its not been spent that wisely. If some of that money was put aside for the youth setup perhaps it would have more of a chance to thrive.
ciclosporindorset
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9:34am Mon 17 Dec 12
Spot on PDC hits nail on head every time, hard, and hitting but necessary.
madterrier
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9:56am Mon 17 Dec 12
If Bodin is bullied out of his job, and he knows a good employment lawyer, this is the stuff that constructive dismissal cases are made of.
Oi Den!
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10:07am Mon 17 Dec 12
Here's an alternative thought. I'm not on Di Canio's side and not on Bodin's side. I'm on Swindon Town's side.
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We can speculate all we like on here about who's in the right and who's in the wrong. But the only way to sort it out is for the club to hold a full investigation, if necessary resulting in appropriate disciplinary action against either or both of them. No individuals are untouchable at OUR club, whatever they have achieved in football, with us or elsewhere.
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For the good of the club, this situation cannot be allowed to fester any longer. While Sir William is getting to grips with it, he might be tempted to wonder why nobody has done so before.
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We can speculate all we like on here about who's in the right and who's in the wrong. But the only way to sort it out is for the club to hold a full investigation, if necessary resulting in appropriate disciplinary action against either or both of them. No individuals are untouchable at OUR club, whatever they have achieved in football, with us or elsewhere.
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For the good of the club, this situation cannot be allowed to fester any longer. While Sir William is getting to grips with it, he might be tempted to wonder why nobody has done so before.
Custodian
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10:15am Mon 17 Dec 12
NOBODY KNOWS ANYTHING.
We all know this: We won 2-0 at Oldham on Saturday and there's a big game coming up at home on Friday. That's all we should be interested in. Come on you reds!
We all know this: We won 2-0 at Oldham on Saturday and there's a big game coming up at home on Friday. That's all we should be interested in. Come on you reds!
Oi Den!
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10:40am Mon 17 Dec 12
Custodian wrote:Really, Custodian? Maybe I've got it all wrong but I see a feud between the first team manager and the youth team coach as a very serious matter, and one I should be most intertested in. Ah well, I suppose we all see things differently.
NOBODY KNOWS ANYTHING.
We all know this: We won 2-0 at Oldham on Saturday and there's a big game coming up at home on Friday. That's all we should be interested in. Come on you reds!
sagadude
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10:41am Mon 17 Dec 12
PDC as I have said before should stop talking to the press full stop. This is all so Sun newspaper like!
Nobody knows including myself what really is being said. We can assume the players do not like the training regime. It could be also a lot of "sour grapes" on Bodin's part for not being offered the managers job - who knows?
Both sides are at fault, PDC, the players, maybe Bodin too?
Nobody knows including myself what really is being said. We can assume the players do not like the training regime. It could be also a lot of "sour grapes" on Bodin's part for not being offered the managers job - who knows?
Both sides are at fault, PDC, the players, maybe Bodin too?
Oxon-Red
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11:19am Mon 17 Dec 12
For me the crucial sentence in this article is:
"When you see players at Crewe at 18 they are ready as a footballer."
The question is why aren't ours ?
Possibly the players are not good enough. Maybe not fit enough, Or not disciplined enough. Or not prepared well enough.
Very few have come through in the last 10 years which suggests there maybe a problem. If there is it should be fixed and that fix must benefit the club for years to come.
It may not mean replacing anyone just the way they do things. If they are not prepared to change then, sorry, it's bye-bye.
I know some are uncomfortable with how the information has been released but at least we now know. Anyone know why David Byrne left ?
COYMR
"When you see players at Crewe at 18 they are ready as a footballer."
The question is why aren't ours ?
Possibly the players are not good enough. Maybe not fit enough, Or not disciplined enough. Or not prepared well enough.
Very few have come through in the last 10 years which suggests there maybe a problem. If there is it should be fixed and that fix must benefit the club for years to come.
It may not mean replacing anyone just the way they do things. If they are not prepared to change then, sorry, it's bye-bye.
I know some are uncomfortable with how the information has been released but at least we now know. Anyone know why David Byrne left ?
COYMR
MITTED
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11:19am Mon 17 Dec 12
When Hoddle was in charge, he had every player and team at every level of the club playing the same way. As they developed they could easily move up to the next level, including stepping straight into the first time. Hoddle was praised for it. PDC wants the same professionalism, and is obviously getting frustrated because he isn't getting the backing from those who have become pieces of furniture.
The CE and Chairman should not have let it get to this stage. It is maybe time to change the tired old furniture no matter how emotional the attachment.
COYR
The CE and Chairman should not have let it get to this stage. It is maybe time to change the tired old furniture no matter how emotional the attachment.
COYR
billbst
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11:32am Mon 17 Dec 12
Oi Den! wrote:Ageed. Essential. Meanwhlie we can look forward to a top game Friday evening.Two fully committed sides. My priority will be to shout us on to a win but football wise it will be interesting to compare their strikers with ours. COYRs!!
Here's an alternative thought. I'm not on Di Canio's side and not on Bodin's side. I'm on Swindon Town's side.
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We can speculate all we like on here about who's in the right and who's in the wrong. But the only way to sort it out is for the club to hold a full investigation, if necessary resulting in appropriate disciplinary action against either or both of them. No individuals are untouchable at OUR club, whatever they have achieved in football, with us or elsewhere.
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For the good of the club, this situation cannot be allowed to fester any longer. While Sir William is getting to grips with it, he might be tempted to wonder why nobody has done so before.
Steve. Brentford
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11:45am Mon 17 Dec 12
A problem that needs sorting now,not in the press not on football forums,it matters not if PDC has 18months left its time our chairman put a stop to some to this public bickering/ranting or whatever you prefer to call it and sorted things out rather than burying his head (like others before him) in the sand whilst hoping it goes away on its own.
Angolan Red
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11:56am Mon 17 Dec 12
The only thing thats needs to go away is Decanio he has no loyalty its a road show to inflate his own ego
Psychedelic Syd
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12:02pm Mon 17 Dec 12
Bet Paul Bodin must be constantly seething with all these unjustified jibes. The youth team has started to deliver more decent looking players than for years and years. At Crewe they play their youngsters regularly and give them a chance to learn in the League. We seem to prefer playing ageing journeymen just because thay have played in the Championship at some point. Experience can never be a substitute for flair.
The Ferry/Bostock pairing that so many of us like and were hankering after, did not come about through a moment of managerial inspiration but because of injuries to the willing but predictable, Miller and Navarro. Paolo needs to focus on doing his own job well, his tactics, strategies and man-management and try to improve his own skill-set rather than throwing stones from inside the glasshouse. I am sure Paul Bodin is not perfect but from where I am standing, he looks like he's doing a good job and doesn't need undermining.
Bodin is also in a position where he cannot publicly answer any criticisms. I think he is probably hanging on in the knowledge that given enough rope, Paolo will hang himself and he surely will before long if he keeps upping the anti. Every time I log on I half expect to see that he has walked or been sacked.
Having said that, I still think Paolo does his very best for our club within the confines of his disturbed and deeply flawed personality. I would still sooner have him here than not, however irritating, unjustifiably egotistical, juvenile and unreasonable he can be. He also has genuine passion, drive and total commitment that just about outweigh his flaws.
The Ferry/Bostock pairing that so many of us like and were hankering after, did not come about through a moment of managerial inspiration but because of injuries to the willing but predictable, Miller and Navarro. Paolo needs to focus on doing his own job well, his tactics, strategies and man-management and try to improve his own skill-set rather than throwing stones from inside the glasshouse. I am sure Paul Bodin is not perfect but from where I am standing, he looks like he's doing a good job and doesn't need undermining.
Bodin is also in a position where he cannot publicly answer any criticisms. I think he is probably hanging on in the knowledge that given enough rope, Paolo will hang himself and he surely will before long if he keeps upping the anti. Every time I log on I half expect to see that he has walked or been sacked.
Having said that, I still think Paolo does his very best for our club within the confines of his disturbed and deeply flawed personality. I would still sooner have him here than not, however irritating, unjustifiably egotistical, juvenile and unreasonable he can be. He also has genuine passion, drive and total commitment that just about outweigh his flaws.
Steve. Brentford
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12:07pm Mon 17 Dec 12
Angolan Red wrote:FFS you cant even spell his name,so how do you expect anyone to take you serious..........
The only thing thats needs to go away is Decanio he has no loyalty its a road show to inflate his own ego
Custodian
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12:10pm Mon 17 Dec 12
Oi Den! wrote:Busybody.
Custodian wrote:Really, Custodian? Maybe I've got it all wrong but I see a feud between the first team manager and the youth team coach as a very serious matter, and one I should be most intertested in. Ah well, I suppose we all see things differently.
NOBODY KNOWS ANYTHING.
We all know this: We won 2-0 at Oldham on Saturday and there's a big game coming up at home on Friday. That's all we should be interested in. Come on you reds!
Swindon1984
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12:19pm Mon 17 Dec 12
Steve. Brentford wrote:Bang on - everyone's entitled to their opinion but let's not pretend for a minute that all opinions are equally valid. Your rightly treated that one with the contempt it deserved, as it's based on absolutely nothing.
Angolan Red wrote: The only thing thats needs to go away is Decanio he has no loyalty its a road show to inflate his own egoFFS you cant even spell his name,so how do you expect anyone to take you serious..........
Oxon-Red
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12:28pm Mon 17 Dec 12
Psychedelic Syd wrote:At Crewe they have had a system for years and years. That system was possible forced on them in order for the club too survive. They have produced an abundance of talent over the years that has had to be sold to balance the books.
Bet Paul Bodin must be constantly seething with all these unjustified jibes. The youth team has started to deliver more decent looking players than for years and years. At Crewe they play their youngsters regularly and give them a chance to learn in the League. We seem to prefer playing ageing journeymen just because thay have played in the Championship at some point. Experience can never be a substitute for flair. The Ferry/Bostock pairing that so many of us like and were hankering after, did not come about through a moment of managerial inspiration but because of injuries to the willing but predictable, Miller and Navarro. Paolo needs to focus on doing his own job well, his tactics, strategies and man-management and try to improve his own skill-set rather than throwing stones from inside the glasshouse. I am sure Paul Bodin is not perfect but from where I am standing, he looks like he's doing a good job and doesn't need undermining. Bodin is also in a position where he cannot publicly answer any criticisms. I think he is probably hanging on in the knowledge that given enough rope, Paolo will hang himself and he surely will before long if he keeps upping the anti. Every time I log on I half expect to see that he has walked or been sacked. Having said that, I still think Paolo does his very best for our club within the confines of his disturbed and deeply flawed personality. I would still sooner have him here than not, however irritating, unjustifiably egotistical, juvenile and unreasonable he can be. He also has genuine passion, drive and total commitment that just about outweigh his flaws.
Imagine that set up at a club that maybe can hold on to players for a few seasons without the need to sell.
By the way the system at Crewe I believe was installed by an Italian.
COYMR
ps. I wonder whether a Manager's son has caused some of the friction here.
Wilesy
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12:30pm Mon 17 Dec 12
I don't think it's unreasonable to expect 2 youth players to step up each year. Otherwise what point is there in having a youth team?
For me it comes back to lack of a reserve team where they can transition into playing against more physical and experienced players.
No problem with the U18's losing to Liverpool, they have far more resources, but our youth set up should be able to provide League 1 players. Is Bodin the man to oversee that well I don't know, but I'm sure if money is put into the set-up whoever is in charge will have a better chance.
In my opinion we need to start hearing noises on how the club plans to meet Paolo's ambition. All aspects including ground redevelopment and youth set up. All I hear is Paolo's dissatisfaction on most things but all is quiet from the powers that be. Calm before the storm?
For me it comes back to lack of a reserve team where they can transition into playing against more physical and experienced players.
No problem with the U18's losing to Liverpool, they have far more resources, but our youth set up should be able to provide League 1 players. Is Bodin the man to oversee that well I don't know, but I'm sure if money is put into the set-up whoever is in charge will have a better chance.
In my opinion we need to start hearing noises on how the club plans to meet Paolo's ambition. All aspects including ground redevelopment and youth set up. All I hear is Paolo's dissatisfaction on most things but all is quiet from the powers that be. Calm before the storm?
Oi Den!
says...
12:31pm Mon 17 Dec 12
Custodian wrote:Great. Glad to see constructive debate is alive and well.
Oi Den! wrote:Busybody.
Custodian wrote:Really, Custodian? Maybe I've got it all wrong but I see a feud between the first team manager and the youth team coach as a very serious matter, and one I should be most intertested in. Ah well, I suppose we all see things differently.
NOBODY KNOWS ANYTHING.
We all know this: We won 2-0 at Oldham on Saturday and there's a big game coming up at home on Friday. That's all we should be interested in. Come on you reds!
Oxon-Red
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12:53pm Mon 17 Dec 12
Oxon-Red wrote:There is another club that once upon a time was inferior to us that has a suberb uth system (which we have benefitted from in the past).
Psychedelic Syd wrote: Bet Paul Bodin must be constantly seething with all these unjustified jibes. The youth team has started to deliver more decent looking players than for years and years. At Crewe they play their youngsters regularly and give them a chance to learn in the League. We seem to prefer playing ageing journeymen just because thay have played in the Championship at some point. Experience can never be a substitute for flair. The Ferry/Bostock pairing that so many of us like and were hankering after, did not come about through a moment of managerial inspiration but because of injuries to the willing but predictable, Miller and Navarro. Paolo needs to focus on doing his own job well, his tactics, strategies and man-management and try to improve his own skill-set rather than throwing stones from inside the glasshouse. I am sure Paul Bodin is not perfect but from where I am standing, he looks like he's doing a good job and doesn't need undermining. Bodin is also in a position where he cannot publicly answer any criticisms. I think he is probably hanging on in the knowledge that given enough rope, Paolo will hang himself and he surely will before long if he keeps upping the anti. Every time I log on I half expect to see that he has walked or been sacked. Having said that, I still think Paolo does his very best for our club within the confines of his disturbed and deeply flawed personality. I would still sooner have him here than not, however irritating, unjustifiably egotistical, juvenile and unreasonable he can be. He also has genuine passion, drive and total commitment that just about outweigh his flaws.At Crewe they have had a system for years and years. That system was possible forced on them in order for the club too survive. They have produced an abundance of talent over the years that has had to be sold to balance the books. Imagine that set up at a club that maybe can hold on to players for a few seasons without the need to sell. By the way the system at Crewe I believe was installed by an Italian. COYMR ps. I wonder whether a Manager's son has caused some of the friction here.
Ironically an ex-town player is involved at this club.
That could be us with the right investment and system in place.
The Ground redevelopment and investment in training facilities will help but it also needs the right people. We could have them already but maybe they need to adjust their ways.
Is it a fear of change that is holding things back ?
COYMR
London Red
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1:44pm Mon 17 Dec 12
For those who were wondering where I have been - you just need to read most of the above comments, the comments on the other article today and surprise surprise basically the same comments everyday for the last month to see why I'm not bothering to post anymore
.
Now before I do go again can some people please try and at least add some facts into the debate?
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Most of our "sucess" strories are NOT Swindon Town Youths - Morrison and Tozer for example were poached from Plymouth alongside Jake Hyde for a combined fee of £75k - they joined as 16 year old schollers not youths!
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Storey too is NOT our youth - he joined as a 16 year old scholer not a 9 year old boy! He was a youth at Wolves and Coventry
.
Also when quoting players like Thompson please remember he has now in his THIRD year as a pro!
.
Yes that right THIRD season - so came through way before Bodin was in charge and has had 30 odd months of pro training - including 18 odd under PdC to get "ready"
.
Likewise Kennedy came through over FIVE years ago took years to get established - he was in year 4 or 5 when PdC decided to give him a run - something he never really got under Luggy (Yep that long ago!), Malpas or Wilson!
.
The facts is the number and quality of youths coming through and making it here or even elsewhere are very thin on the ground - that needs to change!
.
Now before I do go again can some people please try and at least add some facts into the debate?
.
Most of our "sucess" strories are NOT Swindon Town Youths - Morrison and Tozer for example were poached from Plymouth alongside Jake Hyde for a combined fee of £75k - they joined as 16 year old schollers not youths!
.
Storey too is NOT our youth - he joined as a 16 year old scholer not a 9 year old boy! He was a youth at Wolves and Coventry
.
Also when quoting players like Thompson please remember he has now in his THIRD year as a pro!
.
Yes that right THIRD season - so came through way before Bodin was in charge and has had 30 odd months of pro training - including 18 odd under PdC to get "ready"
.
Likewise Kennedy came through over FIVE years ago took years to get established - he was in year 4 or 5 when PdC decided to give him a run - something he never really got under Luggy (Yep that long ago!), Malpas or Wilson!
.
The facts is the number and quality of youths coming through and making it here or even elsewhere are very thin on the ground - that needs to change!
stfc49
says...
2:13pm Mon 17 Dec 12
Well London red, if the club spent some of the money PDC has tossed off on rubbish foreigners and English has beens, I am sure we would have a few more coming through. Where do crewe youths come from? All from Crewe. I can see why you don't post anymore with your one sided PDC views, are you Phil,spencer in disguise? Total garbage
the don69
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2:17pm Mon 17 Dec 12
London Red wrote:Spot on LR,our youth system has been very poor for many years,i agree with Paolo it needs sorting,that will take time and a lot of dosh and are the board prepared to pay for it?because there's no guarantee we will produce top player's of the future!sorry you can't be bothered to post much now,suppose your helping those nasty company's avoid paying there taxes!(only joking)!!
For those who were wondering where I have been - you just need to read most of the above comments, the comments on the other article today and surprise surprise basically the same comments everyday for the last month to see why I'm not bothering to post anymore
.
Now before I do go again can some people please try and at least add some facts into the debate?
.
Most of our "sucess" strories are NOT Swindon Town Youths - Morrison and Tozer for example were poached from Plymouth alongside Jake Hyde for a combined fee of £75k - they joined as 16 year old schollers not youths!
.
Storey too is NOT our youth - he joined as a 16 year old scholer not a 9 year old boy! He was a youth at Wolves and Coventry
.
Also when quoting players like Thompson please remember he has now in his THIRD year as a pro!
.
Yes that right THIRD season - so came through way before Bodin was in charge and has had 30 odd months of pro training - including 18 odd under PdC to get "ready"
.
Likewise Kennedy came through over FIVE years ago took years to get established - he was in year 4 or 5 when PdC decided to give him a run - something he never really got under Luggy (Yep that long ago!), Malpas or Wilson!
.
The facts is the number and quality of youths coming through and making it here or even elsewhere are very thin on the ground - that needs to change!
Oxon-Red
says...
2:23pm Mon 17 Dec 12
London Red wrote:Good to see you are fit and well LR, was beginning to wonder if something awful had happened.
For those who were wondering where I have been - you just need to read most of the above comments, the comments on the other article today and surprise surprise basically the same comments everyday for the last month to see why I'm not bothering to post anymore . Now before I do go again can some people please try and at least add some facts into the debate? . Most of our "sucess" strories are NOT Swindon Town Youths - Morrison and Tozer for example were poached from Plymouth alongside Jake Hyde for a combined fee of £75k - they joined as 16 year old schollers not youths! . Storey too is NOT our youth - he joined as a 16 year old scholer not a 9 year old boy! He was a youth at Wolves and Coventry . Also when quoting players like Thompson please remember he has now in his THIRD year as a pro! . Yes that right THIRD season - so came through way before Bodin was in charge and has had 30 odd months of pro training - including 18 odd under PdC to get "ready" . Likewise Kennedy came through over FIVE years ago took years to get established - he was in year 4 or 5 when PdC decided to give him a run - something he never really got under Luggy (Yep that long ago!), Malpas or Wilson! . The facts is the number and quality of youths coming through and making it here or even elsewhere are very thin on the ground - that needs to change!
There is a saying "If it aint broken don't fix it". In this case, as you have pointed out, there is clearly something wrong.
I can see a real chance to change things at the CG. We have the finances, we have a manager with passion that really does seem to want to take the club forward. Time to grab it and possibly change the whole philosophy.
We could survive in the Championship but we could do more...
...we could challenge in the championship.
Why can't we be the club loaning out our youngsters to get the experience they need. Why can't we be the club that has youngsters that other clubs want to take on loan knowing that they will be borrowing a good player.
Change hurts sometimes but how many Reading fans wish they could still go to watch their team play at Elm Park.
I believe we are increasing our investment in the youth policy by signing up to the new FA policies. If all we get out of it in the future is the occassional first teamer it is not money well spent.
Let's try and keep the Henshall's in the future because they see a future at STFC.
COYMR
sp2769
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2:24pm Mon 17 Dec 12
London Red wrote:London red you failed to mention the 2 goalkeepers we let go to Liverpool and Chelsea and Henshall to Man City all for monies which the youth department never saw, I suppose they never came through the system either, stop giving a manufactured one sided argument!! Our youth players have to pay the cash themselves via the parents to go to Holland etc and if it wasn't parents helping out with transport to games in Manchester, Liverpool and other places these games wouldn't even happen, so lets all realise including PDC that we are not a big club so don't compare us with them. I think the youth section do extremely well for the resources they have available to them which is why week on week scouts from Chelsea,Liverpool frequent the youth games at the training ground if we were not producing then they wouldn't be there. London do your homework properly and not twist it please
For those who were wondering where I have been - you just need to read most of the above comments, the comments on the other article today and surprise surprise basically the same comments everyday for the last month to see why I'm not bothering to post anymore
.
Now before I do go again can some people please try and at least add some facts into the debate?
.
Most of our "sucess" strories are NOT Swindon Town Youths - Morrison and Tozer for example were poached from Plymouth alongside Jake Hyde for a combined fee of £75k - they joined as 16 year old schollers not youths!
.
Storey too is NOT our youth - he joined as a 16 year old scholer not a 9 year old boy! He was a youth at Wolves and Coventry
.
Also when quoting players like Thompson please remember he has now in his THIRD year as a pro!
.
Yes that right THIRD season - so came through way before Bodin was in charge and has had 30 odd months of pro training - including 18 odd under PdC to get "ready"
.
Likewise Kennedy came through over FIVE years ago took years to get established - he was in year 4 or 5 when PdC decided to give him a run - something he never really got under Luggy (Yep that long ago!), Malpas or Wilson!
.
The facts is the number and quality of youths coming through and making it here or even elsewhere are very thin on the ground - that needs to change!
sp2769
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2:32pm Mon 17 Dec 12
London red I'd like to ask you one question?
If PDC feels so strongly about our youth set up why has he never watched any live youth game in 2 years?
If PDC feels so strongly about our youth set up why has he never watched any live youth game in 2 years?
Oxon-Red
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2:36pm Mon 17 Dec 12
stfc49 wrote:Great response, NOT.
Well London red, if the club spent some of the money PDC has tossed off on rubbish foreigners and English has beens, I am sure we would have a few more coming through. Where do crewe youths come from? All from Crewe. I can see why you don't post anymore with your one sided PDC views, are you Phil,spencer in disguise? Total garbage
PDC was not responsible for the youth policy prior to joining. Perhaps if the money had been spent before he came in he would not have had to sign the foreign rubbish (as you put it).
To diss LR comments as being garbage and one-sided is laughable. He has shown clearly in his comment and his facts that the youth system has not really produced for years before Paolo arrived.
COYMR
STFCman&boy1973
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3:14pm Mon 17 Dec 12
very true, PB was great for our club in the 80s and 90s...but, were in 2012 now, its time to move on, I've read a few football autobiographies, and when a new man comes into the managers job, the other ex plaxers coaches leave, its just football, I believe that they can cause alot of stress and trouble, even the good ex players...
so onwards and upwards...
and as GOD said so himself...he will be here for many years to come...get in there...made my day...
Thank You PDC, a loyal Swindon Fan since the early 80's, supporting some great managers, and some not so great managers...through thick and thin...
ps I like the way he seems to answer the small minority of, Fans!!!... I also believe that copying what he says word for word is just sensationilist journalism, you have to allow for a bit of lost in translation, after all how many on here could hold there own in an Italian conversation and not make mistakes...
COYMR's
so onwards and upwards...
and as GOD said so himself...he will be here for many years to come...get in there...made my day...
Thank You PDC, a loyal Swindon Fan since the early 80's, supporting some great managers, and some not so great managers...through thick and thin...
ps I like the way he seems to answer the small minority of, Fans!!!... I also believe that copying what he says word for word is just sensationilist journalism, you have to allow for a bit of lost in translation, after all how many on here could hold there own in an Italian conversation and not make mistakes...
COYMR's
smirg kcab
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3:21pm Mon 17 Dec 12
OLDHAM 0 SWINDON TOWN 2
Di canio praises fans
A big game on Friday
All the REST of this bolloxx . Is irrelevant
Di canio praises fans
A big game on Friday
All the REST of this bolloxx . Is irrelevant
Oxon-Red
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3:23pm Mon 17 Dec 12
sp2769 wrote:SP,
London Red wrote: For those who were wondering where I have been - you just need to read most of the above comments, the comments on the other article today and surprise surprise basically the same comments everyday for the last month to see why I'm not bothering to post anymore . Now before I do go again can some people please try and at least add some facts into the debate? . Most of our "sucess" strories are NOT Swindon Town Youths - Morrison and Tozer for example were poached from Plymouth alongside Jake Hyde for a combined fee of £75k - they joined as 16 year old schollers not youths! . Storey too is NOT our youth - he joined as a 16 year old scholer not a 9 year old boy! He was a youth at Wolves and Coventry . Also when quoting players like Thompson please remember he has now in his THIRD year as a pro! . Yes that right THIRD season - so came through way before Bodin was in charge and has had 30 odd months of pro training - including 18 odd under PdC to get "ready" . Likewise Kennedy came through over FIVE years ago took years to get established - he was in year 4 or 5 when PdC decided to give him a run - something he never really got under Luggy (Yep that long ago!), Malpas or Wilson! . The facts is the number and quality of youths coming through and making it here or even elsewhere are very thin on the ground - that needs to change!London red you failed to mention the 2 goalkeepers we let go to Liverpool and Chelsea and Henshall to Man City all for monies which the youth department never saw, I suppose they never came through the system either, stop giving a manufactured one sided argument!! Our youth players have to pay the cash themselves via the parents to go to Holland etc and if it wasn't parents helping out with transport to games in Manchester, Liverpool and other places these games wouldn't even happen, so lets all realise including PDC that we are not a big club so don't compare us with them. I think the youth section do extremely well for the resources they have available to them which is why week on week scouts from Chelsea,Liverpool frequent the youth games at the training ground if we were not producing then they wouldn't be there. London do your homework properly and not twist it please
Big clubs taking our youngsters from us is unfortunate and you are right that the youth have probably been underfunded but you may inadvertently be supporting Paolo and LR.
We do not know exactly what his gripe is but, the reality is, it is not producing as well as we might have hoped and the number of first teamers that have been nurtured since an early age is not great.
You seem to feel it is working well but needs more investment. But for any investment to be worthwile it has to produce an end product. Take Henshall and the two goalkeepers out of the equation and the end product is not great.
Could there be a better system ?
Is this what Paolo is looking for to attract the investment from the board ?
The parents and 50/50 ticket sellers deserve credit for their efforts (time and money) in getting the youngsters to matches. But there are hundreds of thousands of parents that to a lesser extent do the same every weekend.
COYMR
MITTED
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3:35pm Mon 17 Dec 12
London Red wrote:So who is the last player that genuinely came all the way through the Town youth system and stepped up to the first team as an 18/19 year old and immediately secured his place long-term?
For those who were wondering where I have been - you just need to read most of the above comments, the comments on the other article today and surprise surprise basically the same comments everyday for the last month to see why I'm not bothering to post anymore
.
Now before I do go again can some people please try and at least add some facts into the debate?
.
Most of our "sucess" strories are NOT Swindon Town Youths - Morrison and Tozer for example were poached from Plymouth alongside Jake Hyde for a combined fee of £75k - they joined as 16 year old schollers not youths!
.
Storey too is NOT our youth - he joined as a 16 year old scholer not a 9 year old boy! He was a youth at Wolves and Coventry
.
Also when quoting players like Thompson please remember he has now in his THIRD year as a pro!
.
Yes that right THIRD season - so came through way before Bodin was in charge and has had 30 odd months of pro training - including 18 odd under PdC to get "ready"
.
Likewise Kennedy came through over FIVE years ago took years to get established - he was in year 4 or 5 when PdC decided to give him a run - something he never really got under Luggy (Yep that long ago!), Malpas or Wilson!
.
The facts is the number and quality of youths coming through and making it here or even elsewhere are very thin on the ground - that needs to change!
By my reckoning, it is Sol Davis, more than ten years ago!
sp2769
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3:41pm Mon 17 Dec 12
Oxon
Exactly
What is his gripe??
He just rants, never constructive and to do what he wants to do will cost millions, I feel his open public criticism of people within the youth set up is uncalled for and unnecessary a lot of them do it voluntary, how long will they stay around getting hammered in the press?
Do you think he would accept public criticism of his bad signings and substitutes daily in the papers no he wouldn't, it is unprofessional and embarrassing it's not as if we are storming away with the title is it?
Henshall and the two goalkeepers you cant just dismiss out of the equation it's fact for everyone to see!!
Reference the parents helping, I take your point but was trying to get accross that the budget is tight and PDC shouldn't compare us to Liverpool youth set up which such things would never happen not comparing like for like, compare our youth set up and what has been produced with anybody else in league one and I would have thought we would come out near the top end.
Exactly
What is his gripe??
He just rants, never constructive and to do what he wants to do will cost millions, I feel his open public criticism of people within the youth set up is uncalled for and unnecessary a lot of them do it voluntary, how long will they stay around getting hammered in the press?
Do you think he would accept public criticism of his bad signings and substitutes daily in the papers no he wouldn't, it is unprofessional and embarrassing it's not as if we are storming away with the title is it?
Henshall and the two goalkeepers you cant just dismiss out of the equation it's fact for everyone to see!!
Reference the parents helping, I take your point but was trying to get accross that the budget is tight and PDC shouldn't compare us to Liverpool youth set up which such things would never happen not comparing like for like, compare our youth set up and what has been produced with anybody else in league one and I would have thought we would come out near the top end.
stfc49
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3:53pm Mon 17 Dec 12
MITTED wrote:Billy bodin!!!
London Red wrote:So who is the last player that genuinely came all the way through the Town youth system and stepped up to the first team as an 18/19 year old and immediately secured his place long-term?
For those who were wondering where I have been - you just need to read most of the above comments, the comments on the other article today and surprise surprise basically the same comments everyday for the last month to see why I'm not bothering to post anymore
.
Now before I do go again can some people please try and at least add some facts into the debate?
.
Most of our "sucess" strories are NOT Swindon Town Youths - Morrison and Tozer for example were poached from Plymouth alongside Jake Hyde for a combined fee of £75k - they joined as 16 year old schollers not youths!
.
Storey too is NOT our youth - he joined as a 16 year old scholer not a 9 year old boy! He was a youth at Wolves and Coventry
.
Also when quoting players like Thompson please remember he has now in his THIRD year as a pro!
.
Yes that right THIRD season - so came through way before Bodin was in charge and has had 30 odd months of pro training - including 18 odd under PdC to get "ready"
.
Likewise Kennedy came through over FIVE years ago took years to get established - he was in year 4 or 5 when PdC decided to give him a run - something he never really got under Luggy (Yep that long ago!), Malpas or Wilson!
.
The facts is the number and quality of youths coming through and making it here or even elsewhere are very thin on the ground - that needs to change!
By my reckoning, it is Sol Davis, more than ten years ago!
Oi Den!
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3:57pm Mon 17 Dec 12
I don't see how the low number of youngsters making the grade provides a case against Bodin and his staff. Yes, it might be that he's not coaching them properly, but it could equally be that he's just not getting the raw material to work with in the first place. If so, is that his fault? How many kids who've failed to make it with us have gone on to succeed elsewhere? Maybe Di Canio is right about Bodin. But I still don't understand how anybody on here knows for sure one way or the other. Having said that, I do trust jayden's word that there does not appear to be a lot of heart in the youth team's performances - and that is clearly not a good sign.
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Grim, I'm really surprised that you think this debate is all ****. Isn't the relationship between these two positions one of the most important in the club - and crucial to its future?
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Grim, I'm really surprised that you think this debate is all ****. Isn't the relationship between these two positions one of the most important in the club - and crucial to its future?
jayden
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4:01pm Mon 17 Dec 12
Oi Den! wrote:Hi Den if you cast your mind back do you remember me touching on one or two of the youth players behavour a round match days last season.
Custodian wrote:Great. Glad to see constructive debate is alive and well.
Oi Den! wrote:Busybody.
Custodian wrote:Really, Custodian? Maybe I've got it all wrong but I see a feud between the first team manager and the youth team coach as a very serious matter, and one I should be most intertested in. Ah well, I suppose we all see things differently.
NOBODY KNOWS ANYTHING.
We all know this: We won 2-0 at Oldham on Saturday and there's a big game coming up at home on Friday. That's all we should be interested in. Come on you reds!
Oi Den!
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4:01pm Mon 17 Dec 12
PS Welcome back LR.
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Your phrase "...or even elsewhere" does nothing to support your argument. Isn't it an acknowledgment that finding the right kids is not an easy task?
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Your phrase "...or even elsewhere" does nothing to support your argument. Isn't it an acknowledgment that finding the right kids is not an easy task?
Oi Den!
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4:08pm Mon 17 Dec 12
jayden wrote:Hello jayden. No, can't say I remember it but don't doubt you said it. Anyway, I'm going to stop being a busybody and leave the debate to others now. That should please Custodian.
Oi Den! wrote:Hi Den if you cast your mind back do you remember me touching on one or two of the youth players behavour a round match days last season.
Custodian wrote:Great. Glad to see constructive debate is alive and well.
Oi Den! wrote:Busybody.
Custodian wrote:Really, Custodian? Maybe I've got it all wrong but I see a feud between the first team manager and the youth team coach as a very serious matter, and one I should be most intertested in. Ah well, I suppose we all see things differently.
NOBODY KNOWS ANYTHING.
We all know this: We won 2-0 at Oldham on Saturday and there's a big game coming up at home on Friday. That's all we should be interested in. Come on you reds!
MITTED
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4:11pm Mon 17 Dec 12
stfc49 wrote:He didn't secure his place long term.
MITTED wrote:Billy bodin!!!
London Red wrote:So who is the last player that genuinely came all the way through the Town youth system and stepped up to the first team as an 18/19 year old and immediately secured his place long-term?
For those who were wondering where I have been - you just need to read most of the above comments, the comments on the other article today and surprise surprise basically the same comments everyday for the last month to see why I'm not bothering to post anymore
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Now before I do go again can some people please try and at least add some facts into the debate?
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Most of our "sucess" strories are NOT Swindon Town Youths - Morrison and Tozer for example were poached from Plymouth alongside Jake Hyde for a combined fee of £75k - they joined as 16 year old schollers not youths!
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Storey too is NOT our youth - he joined as a 16 year old scholer not a 9 year old boy! He was a youth at Wolves and Coventry
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Also when quoting players like Thompson please remember he has now in his THIRD year as a pro!
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Yes that right THIRD season - so came through way before Bodin was in charge and has had 30 odd months of pro training - including 18 odd under PdC to get "ready"
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Likewise Kennedy came through over FIVE years ago took years to get established - he was in year 4 or 5 when PdC decided to give him a run - something he never really got under Luggy (Yep that long ago!), Malpas or Wilson!
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The facts is the number and quality of youths coming through and making it here or even elsewhere are very thin on the ground - that needs to change!
By my reckoning, it is Sol Davis, more than ten years ago!
jayden
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4:28pm Mon 17 Dec 12
Oi Den! wrote:Dont worry about that Den i remember how many posts came up after the youth game you were one and london red was another also not many when Bodin made his aftermatch interview bit like the get story in the team lot.Q WHO was the match day sponsers man of the match town youth v liverpool how many will get that.
jayden wrote:Hello jayden. No, can't say I remember it but don't doubt you said it. Anyway, I'm going to stop being a busybody and leave the debate to others now. That should please Custodian.
Oi Den! wrote:Hi Den if you cast your mind back do you remember me touching on one or two of the youth players behavour a round match days last season.
Custodian wrote:Great. Glad to see constructive debate is alive and well.
Oi Den! wrote:Busybody.
Custodian wrote:Really, Custodian? Maybe I've got it all wrong but I see a feud between the first team manager and the youth team coach as a very serious matter, and one I should be most intertested in. Ah well, I suppose we all see things differently.
NOBODY KNOWS ANYTHING.
We all know this: We won 2-0 at Oldham on Saturday and there's a big game coming up at home on Friday. That's all we should be interested in. Come on you reds!
Oxon-Red
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4:28pm Mon 17 Dec 12
sp2769 wrote:SP,
Oxon Exactly What is his gripe?? He just rants, never constructive and to do what he wants to do will cost millions, I feel his open public criticism of people within the youth set up is uncalled for and unnecessary a lot of them do it voluntary, how long will they stay around getting hammered in the press? Do you think he would accept public criticism of his bad signings and substitutes daily in the papers no he wouldn't, it is unprofessional and embarrassing it's not as if we are storming away with the title is it? Henshall and the two goalkeepers you cant just dismiss out of the equation it's fact for everyone to see!! Reference the parents helping, I take your point but was trying to get accross that the budget is tight and PDC shouldn't compare us to Liverpool youth set up which such things would never happen not comparing like for like, compare our youth set up and what has been produced with anybody else in league one and I would have thought we would come out near the top end.
Good response, I think the crux of the matter is the end product.
I don't want to knock the volunteers as I do it myself for my kid's football clubs. Presumably funding has been the reason for the reliance on these people and I have no doubt that they work their proverbials off and do a very good job but do the methods and sessions they employ have a recognised structure that is implemented right through to the Under 18 level.
Paolo talks of the Barcelona way, I guess he sees this as taking the kids from an early age and teaching them in a consistent way.
It would take funding and I presume it would require paid coaches that can devote all their energies towards the kids. I could understand that this may not be popular with people currently giving their valuable time to helping the kids and may be this is where he is meeting with the hostility.
I would see this type of set up as something worthy of investment even if it is unpopular with some that are currently involved. In the long term it would benefit both the kids development and the club in terms of players coming through the ranks.
I am only surmising and I love seeing a young player come up through the ranks and do well but shouldn't we have seen more over the last 10 years or so.
COYMR
Steve. Brentford
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5:01pm Mon 17 Dec 12
jayden wrote:Was it Kenny Dalglish :O)
Oi Den! wrote:Dont worry about that Den i remember how many posts came up after the youth game you were one and london red was another also not many when Bodin made his aftermatch interview bit like the get story in the team lot.Q WHO was the match day sponsers man of the match town youth v liverpool how many will get that.
jayden wrote:Hello jayden. No, can't say I remember it but don't doubt you said it. Anyway, I'm going to stop being a busybody and leave the debate to others now. That should please Custodian.
Oi Den! wrote:Hi Den if you cast your mind back do you remember me touching on one or two of the youth players behavour a round match days last season.
Custodian wrote:Great. Glad to see constructive debate is alive and well.
Oi Den! wrote:Busybody.
Custodian wrote:Really, Custodian? Maybe I've got it all wrong but I see a feud between the first team manager and the youth team coach as a very serious matter, and one I should be most intertested in. Ah well, I suppose we all see things differently.
NOBODY KNOWS ANYTHING.
We all know this: We won 2-0 at Oldham on Saturday and there's a big game coming up at home on Friday. That's all we should be interested in. Come on you reds!
Swindon1984
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5:04pm Mon 17 Dec 12
Shame Bodin and Paolo can't put their heads together cause I'm sure they can teach eachother a lot - Bodin can teach composure, Paolo discipline. Instilling the same attitude in the youth team as the first team is no bad thing - Look at all the great clubs, no matter where you are within the club you're part of the club, you're proud to be a part of it and you act in a certain way because of it. Making STFC an institution where every person has the same drive and determination to succeed would be an amazing step forward. Not everyone will take to it of course - but then if you want to make an omelette you've got to break some eggs :-)
sp2769
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5:12pm Mon 17 Dec 12
Oxon-Red wrote:Oxon
sp2769 wrote:SP,
Oxon Exactly What is his gripe?? He just rants, never constructive and to do what he wants to do will cost millions, I feel his open public criticism of people within the youth set up is uncalled for and unnecessary a lot of them do it voluntary, how long will they stay around getting hammered in the press? Do you think he would accept public criticism of his bad signings and substitutes daily in the papers no he wouldn't, it is unprofessional and embarrassing it's not as if we are storming away with the title is it? Henshall and the two goalkeepers you cant just dismiss out of the equation it's fact for everyone to see!! Reference the parents helping, I take your point but was trying to get accross that the budget is tight and PDC shouldn't compare us to Liverpool youth set up which such things would never happen not comparing like for like, compare our youth set up and what has been produced with anybody else in league one and I would have thought we would come out near the top end.
Good response, I think the crux of the matter is the end product.
I don't want to knock the volunteers as I do it myself for my kid's football clubs. Presumably funding has been the reason for the reliance on these people and I have no doubt that they work their proverbials off and do a very good job but do the methods and sessions they employ have a recognised structure that is implemented right through to the Under 18 level.
Paolo talks of the Barcelona way, I guess he sees this as taking the kids from an early age and teaching them in a consistent way.
It would take funding and I presume it would require paid coaches that can devote all their energies towards the kids. I could understand that this may not be popular with people currently giving their valuable time to helping the kids and may be this is where he is meeting with the hostility.
I would see this type of set up as something worthy of investment even if it is unpopular with some that are currently involved. In the long term it would benefit both the kids development and the club in terms of players coming through the ranks.
I am only surmising and I love seeing a young player come up through the ranks and do well but shouldn't we have seen more over the last 10 years or so.
COYMR
Maybe we should have, and probably would have if we'd have kept them all instead of selling them all off??
You can only work with what you have and what you can afford to keep.
Again I would say if PDC is serious about youth and this Barcelona twaddle he keeps coming out with then why has he not watched one game and why has he not got involved positively instead of banning the youth players from even watching his training sessions, what does that portray to them and why would that be deremental.
I find it all rather strange.
PDC goes on about Crewe and there set up, there manager has been there a while and regularly watches 13,14,15,16 year old games so knows what the players are capable of therefore giving himself a balanced view when players reach 16.
I'm afraid we cannot say the same about our manager who wouldn't know what we have, so would not be able to select any of them on a balanced view, these youth players must be asking themselves what chance have we got if he hasn't even seen us play?
I'm afraid if you gather all the information up it does look like a personal vendetta against PB. Anything that PB is involved in seems to be quashed, it is a real shame.
Maybe he feels threatened by PB? Don't see why he's not that type of character.
If PDC does not want him there why does he just not tell him?
I'm sure the board are more than happy with what PB has and is doing for the club and I would expect the chairman in the next day or two to publicly come out and say so
jayden
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5:17pm Mon 17 Dec 12
Steve. Brentford wrote:Ha ha steve were you been fishing?
jayden wrote:Was it Kenny Dalglish :O)
Oi Den! wrote:Dont worry about that Den i remember how many posts came up after the youth game you were one and london red was another also not many when Bodin made his aftermatch interview bit like the get story in the team lot.Q WHO was the match day sponsers man of the match town youth v liverpool how many will get that.
jayden wrote:Hello jayden. No, can't say I remember it but don't doubt you said it. Anyway, I'm going to stop being a busybody and leave the debate to others now. That should please Custodian.
Oi Den! wrote:Hi Den if you cast your mind back do you remember me touching on one or two of the youth players behavour a round match days last season.
Custodian wrote:Great. Glad to see constructive debate is alive and well.
Oi Den! wrote:Busybody.
Custodian wrote:Really, Custodian? Maybe I've got it all wrong but I see a feud between the first team manager and the youth team coach as a very serious matter, and one I should be most intertested in. Ah well, I suppose we all see things differently.
NOBODY KNOWS ANYTHING.
We all know this: We won 2-0 at Oldham on Saturday and there's a big game coming up at home on Friday. That's all we should be interested in. Come on you reds!
HOOKEY
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5:19pm Mon 17 Dec 12
towns youth set up has been the same for the past 15yrs,get lads of 9yrs and train um for the next 6yrs or so,how can you tell that a 9yr old is going to be good enough,it dont work
smirg kcab
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5:29pm Mon 17 Dec 12
Oi Den! wrote:Just fed up with all this craap on here lately.
I don't see how the low number of youngsters making the grade provides a case against Bodin and his staff. Yes, it might be that he's not coaching them properly, but it could equally be that he's just not getting the raw material to work with in the first place. If so, is that his fault? How many kids who've failed to make it with us have gone on to succeed elsewhere? Maybe Di Canio is right about Bodin. But I still don't understand how anybody on here knows for sure one way or the other. Having said that, I do trust jayden's word that there does not appear to be a lot of heart in the youth team's performances - and that is clearly not a good sign.
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Grim, I'm really surprised that you think this debate is all ****. Isn't the relationship between these two positions one of the most important in the club - and crucial to its future?
As for the future we are going up that's all I'm interested in and the manager gives his all,
As you said with all your question marks no one apart from him knows what's going on with this club. Not even swp it looks as tho Paul hart had more enthusiasm than him.
Looking forward to our roller coaster ride then stalling at the top.
Yet again this fool of an editor started the ball rolling last week.
Just hope all the new name posters on here over the last week comes on Friday it will a sell out if they do.
Onwards and upwards
stfc49
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5:35pm Mon 17 Dec 12
smirg kcab wrote:Smirk always go and everyone welcome to have an opinion, or is this a close shop? Please let me know
Oi Den! wrote:Just fed up with all this craap on here lately.
I don't see how the low number of youngsters making the grade provides a case against Bodin and his staff. Yes, it might be that he's not coaching them properly, but it could equally be that he's just not getting the raw material to work with in the first place. If so, is that his fault? How many kids who've failed to make it with us have gone on to succeed elsewhere? Maybe Di Canio is right about Bodin. But I still don't understand how anybody on here knows for sure one way or the other. Having said that, I do trust jayden's word that there does not appear to be a lot of heart in the youth team's performances - and that is clearly not a good sign.
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Grim, I'm really surprised that you think this debate is all ****. Isn't the relationship between these two positions one of the most important in the club - and crucial to its future?
As for the future we are going up that's all I'm interested in and the manager gives his all,
As you said with all your question marks no one apart from him knows what's going on with this club. Not even swp it looks as tho Paul hart had more enthusiasm than him.
Looking forward to our roller coaster ride then stalling at the top.
Yet again this fool of an editor started the ball rolling last week.
Just hope all the new name posters on here over the last week comes on Friday it will a sell out if they do.
Onwards and upwards
Steve. Brentford
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5:41pm Mon 17 Dec 12
jayden wrote:No mate. moved my office from south London to west London due to it constantly taking me 2+hrs to travel 11miles home and been really busy sorting things out.
Steve. Brentford wrote:Ha ha steve were you been fishing?
jayden wrote:Was it Kenny Dalglish :O)
Oi Den! wrote:Dont worry about that Den i remember how many posts came up after the youth game you were one and london red was another also not many when Bodin made his aftermatch interview bit like the get story in the team lot.Q WHO was the match day sponsers man of the match town youth v liverpool how many will get that.
jayden wrote:Hello jayden. No, can't say I remember it but don't doubt you said it. Anyway, I'm going to stop being a busybody and leave the debate to others now. That should please Custodian.
Oi Den! wrote:Hi Den if you cast your mind back do you remember me touching on one or two of the youth players behavour a round match days last season.
Custodian wrote:Great. Glad to see constructive debate is alive and well.
Oi Den! wrote:Busybody.
Custodian wrote:Really, Custodian? Maybe I've got it all wrong but I see a feud between the first team manager and the youth team coach as a very serious matter, and one I should be most intertested in. Ah well, I suppose we all see things differently.
NOBODY KNOWS ANYTHING.
We all know this: We won 2-0 at Oldham on Saturday and there's a big game coming up at home on Friday. That's all we should be interested in. Come on you reds!
I have also resisted posting (a bit like LR really) due to me wanting to jump down some peoples throats,so decided instead of going mad and arguing with people i don't even know not to bother.
Hope you are well and still working hard mate,is MBiker back from his travels?
Oxon-Red
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5:51pm Mon 17 Dec 12
sp2769 wrote:SP,
Oxon-Red wrote:Oxon Maybe we should have, and probably would have if we'd have kept them all instead of selling them all off?? You can only work with what you have and what you can afford to keep. Again I would say if PDC is serious about youth and this Barcelona twaddle he keeps coming out with then why has he not watched one game and why has he not got involved positively instead of banning the youth players from even watching his training sessions, what does that portray to them and why would that be deremental. I find it all rather strange. PDC goes on about Crewe and there set up, there manager has been there a while and regularly watches 13,14,15,16 year old games so knows what the players are capable of therefore giving himself a balanced view when players reach 16. I'm afraid we cannot say the same about our manager who wouldn't know what we have, so would not be able to select any of them on a balanced view, these youth players must be asking themselves what chance have we got if he hasn't even seen us play? I'm afraid if you gather all the information up it does look like a personal vendetta against PB. Anything that PB is involved in seems to be quashed, it is a real shame. Maybe he feels threatened by PB? Don't see why he's not that type of character. If PDC does not want him there why does he just not tell him? I'm sure the board are more than happy with what PB has and is doing for the club and I would expect the chairman in the next day or two to publicly come out and say sosp2769 wrote: Oxon Exactly What is his gripe?? He just rants, never constructive and to do what he wants to do will cost millions, I feel his open public criticism of people within the youth set up is uncalled for and unnecessary a lot of them do it voluntary, how long will they stay around getting hammered in the press? Do you think he would accept public criticism of his bad signings and substitutes daily in the papers no he wouldn't, it is unprofessional and embarrassing it's not as if we are storming away with the title is it? Henshall and the two goalkeepers you cant just dismiss out of the equation it's fact for everyone to see!! Reference the parents helping, I take your point but was trying to get accross that the budget is tight and PDC shouldn't compare us to Liverpool youth set up which such things would never happen not comparing like for like, compare our youth set up and what has been produced with anybody else in league one and I would have thought we would come out near the top end.SP, Good response, I think the crux of the matter is the end product. I don't want to knock the volunteers as I do it myself for my kid's football clubs. Presumably funding has been the reason for the reliance on these people and I have no doubt that they work their proverbials off and do a very good job but do the methods and sessions they employ have a recognised structure that is implemented right through to the Under 18 level. Paolo talks of the Barcelona way, I guess he sees this as taking the kids from an early age and teaching them in a consistent way. It would take funding and I presume it would require paid coaches that can devote all their energies towards the kids. I could understand that this may not be popular with people currently giving their valuable time to helping the kids and may be this is where he is meeting with the hostility. I would see this type of set up as something worthy of investment even if it is unpopular with some that are currently involved. In the long term it would benefit both the kids development and the club in terms of players coming through the ranks. I am only surmising and I love seeing a young player come up through the ranks and do well but shouldn't we have seen more over the last 10 years or so. COYMR
Good response. As I said I can only surmise and draw a conclusion from comments.
I assume you are involved in some way and therefore have first hand knowledge of the banning etc. Something I was not aware of and something I find a bit bizarre but not, strangely, surprising as he has mentioned the fitness of the youngsters in the past.
I believe, correct me if I am wrong, but many of the youngsters matches are played on Saturday/Sunday mornings so the viewing may be difficult with first team duties to perform.
Are matches videoed ? It seems that Paolo likes to watch and study teams to gain inside information. Could he be keeping up to date this way ?
It is a shame if he and PB are at loggerheads. I hope it can be sorted as the idea of a Swindon/Barcelona way for the kids appeals to me. Teach the kids to play properly and not worry about the result until later in their development (too much emphasis on winning at a young age IMO).
COYMR
Oxon-Red
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5:59pm Mon 17 Dec 12
sp2769 wrote:SP,
Oxon-Red wrote:Oxon Maybe we should have, and probably would have if we'd have kept them all instead of selling them all off?? You can only work with what you have and what you can afford to keep. Again I would say if PDC is serious about youth and this Barcelona twaddle he keeps coming out with then why has he not watched one game and why has he not got involved positively instead of banning the youth players from even watching his training sessions, what does that portray to them and why would that be deremental. I find it all rather strange. PDC goes on about Crewe and there set up, there manager has been there a while and regularly watches 13,14,15,16 year old games so knows what the players are capable of therefore giving himself a balanced view when players reach 16. I'm afraid we cannot say the same about our manager who wouldn't know what we have, so would not be able to select any of them on a balanced view, these youth players must be asking themselves what chance have we got if he hasn't even seen us play? I'm afraid if you gather all the information up it does look like a personal vendetta against PB. Anything that PB is involved in seems to be quashed, it is a real shame. Maybe he feels threatened by PB? Don't see why he's not that type of character. If PDC does not want him there why does he just not tell him? I'm sure the board are more than happy with what PB has and is doing for the club and I would expect the chairman in the next day or two to publicly come out and say sosp2769 wrote: Oxon Exactly What is his gripe?? He just rants, never constructive and to do what he wants to do will cost millions, I feel his open public criticism of people within the youth set up is uncalled for and unnecessary a lot of them do it voluntary, how long will they stay around getting hammered in the press? Do you think he would accept public criticism of his bad signings and substitutes daily in the papers no he wouldn't, it is unprofessional and embarrassing it's not as if we are storming away with the title is it? Henshall and the two goalkeepers you cant just dismiss out of the equation it's fact for everyone to see!! Reference the parents helping, I take your point but was trying to get accross that the budget is tight and PDC shouldn't compare us to Liverpool youth set up which such things would never happen not comparing like for like, compare our youth set up and what has been produced with anybody else in league one and I would have thought we would come out near the top end.SP, Good response, I think the crux of the matter is the end product. I don't want to knock the volunteers as I do it myself for my kid's football clubs. Presumably funding has been the reason for the reliance on these people and I have no doubt that they work their proverbials off and do a very good job but do the methods and sessions they employ have a recognised structure that is implemented right through to the Under 18 level. Paolo talks of the Barcelona way, I guess he sees this as taking the kids from an early age and teaching them in a consistent way. It would take funding and I presume it would require paid coaches that can devote all their energies towards the kids. I could understand that this may not be popular with people currently giving their valuable time to helping the kids and may be this is where he is meeting with the hostility. I would see this type of set up as something worthy of investment even if it is unpopular with some that are currently involved. In the long term it would benefit both the kids development and the club in terms of players coming through the ranks. I am only surmising and I love seeing a young player come up through the ranks and do well but shouldn't we have seen more over the last 10 years or so. COYMR
Good response. As I said I can only surmise and draw a conclusion from comments.
I assume you are involved in some way and therefore have first hand knowledge of the banning etc. Something I was not aware of and something I find a bit bizarre but not, strangely, surprising as he has mentioned the fitness of the youngsters in the past.
I believe, correct me if I am wrong, but many of the youngsters matches are played on Saturday/Sunday mornings so the viewing may be difficult with first team duties to perform.
Are matches videoed ? It seems that Paolo likes to watch and study teams to gain inside information. Could he be keeping up to date this way ?
It is a shame if he and PB are at loggerheads. I hope it can be sorted as the idea of a Swindon/Barcelona way for the kids appeals to me. Teach the kids to play properly and not worry about the result until later in their development (too much emphasis on winning at a young age IMO).
COYMR
smirg kcab
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6:00pm Mon 17 Dec 12
No room for sentiment now.
How's billy doing after he advised him to go to turkey?.
It's only a matter time untill he refuses to talk to the press and rightly so.
I'm sure a massive game is around the corner?.
Onwards and up up and awaaayhhy
How's billy doing after he advised him to go to turkey?.
It's only a matter time untill he refuses to talk to the press and rightly so.
I'm sure a massive game is around the corner?.
Onwards and up up and awaaayhhy
sp2769
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6:06pm Mon 17 Dec 12
Oxon-Red wrote:His agent watches most of the DVD's which is why we have signed so many duds I'm afraid, I believe we have signed many players on big money contracts by watching DVD's not ideal I'm afraid.
sp2769 wrote:SP,
Oxon-Red wrote:Oxon Maybe we should have, and probably would have if we'd have kept them all instead of selling them all off?? You can only work with what you have and what you can afford to keep. Again I would say if PDC is serious about youth and this Barcelona twaddle he keeps coming out with then why has he not watched one game and why has he not got involved positively instead of banning the youth players from even watching his training sessions, what does that portray to them and why would that be deremental. I find it all rather strange. PDC goes on about Crewe and there set up, there manager has been there a while and regularly watches 13,14,15,16 year old games so knows what the players are capable of therefore giving himself a balanced view when players reach 16. I'm afraid we cannot say the same about our manager who wouldn't know what we have, so would not be able to select any of them on a balanced view, these youth players must be asking themselves what chance have we got if he hasn't even seen us play? I'm afraid if you gather all the information up it does look like a personal vendetta against PB. Anything that PB is involved in seems to be quashed, it is a real shame. Maybe he feels threatened by PB? Don't see why he's not that type of character. If PDC does not want him there why does he just not tell him? I'm sure the board are more than happy with what PB has and is doing for the club and I would expect the chairman in the next day or two to publicly come out and say sosp2769 wrote: Oxon Exactly What is his gripe?? He just rants, never constructive and to do what he wants to do will cost millions, I feel his open public criticism of people within the youth set up is uncalled for and unnecessary a lot of them do it voluntary, how long will they stay around getting hammered in the press? Do you think he would accept public criticism of his bad signings and substitutes daily in the papers no he wouldn't, it is unprofessional and embarrassing it's not as if we are storming away with the title is it? Henshall and the two goalkeepers you cant just dismiss out of the equation it's fact for everyone to see!! Reference the parents helping, I take your point but was trying to get accross that the budget is tight and PDC shouldn't compare us to Liverpool youth set up which such things would never happen not comparing like for like, compare our youth set up and what has been produced with anybody else in league one and I would have thought we would come out near the top end.SP, Good response, I think the crux of the matter is the end product. I don't want to knock the volunteers as I do it myself for my kid's football clubs. Presumably funding has been the reason for the reliance on these people and I have no doubt that they work their proverbials off and do a very good job but do the methods and sessions they employ have a recognised structure that is implemented right through to the Under 18 level. Paolo talks of the Barcelona way, I guess he sees this as taking the kids from an early age and teaching them in a consistent way. It would take funding and I presume it would require paid coaches that can devote all their energies towards the kids. I could understand that this may not be popular with people currently giving their valuable time to helping the kids and may be this is where he is meeting with the hostility. I would see this type of set up as something worthy of investment even if it is unpopular with some that are currently involved. In the long term it would benefit both the kids development and the club in terms of players coming through the ranks. I am only surmising and I love seeing a young player come up through the ranks and do well but shouldn't we have seen more over the last 10 years or so. COYMR
Good response. As I said I can only surmise and draw a conclusion from comments.
I assume you are involved in some way and therefore have first hand knowledge of the banning etc. Something I was not aware of and something I find a bit bizarre but not, strangely, surprising as he has mentioned the fitness of the youngsters in the past.
I believe, correct me if I am wrong, but many of the youngsters matches are played on Saturday/Sunday mornings so the viewing may be difficult with first team duties to perform.
Are matches videoed ? It seems that Paolo likes to watch and study teams to gain inside information. Could he be keeping up to date this way ?
It is a shame if he and PB are at loggerheads. I hope it can be sorted as the idea of a Swindon/Barcelona way for the kids appeals to me. Teach the kids to play properly and not worry about the result until later in their development (too much emphasis on winning at a young age IMO).
COYMR
Thanks for the chat Oxon, nice to get a balanced debate without getting slaughtered for my view ;)
jayden
says...
6:06pm Mon 17 Dec 12
Steve. Brentford wrote:Yes mate i know what you mean i couldnt hold back today enoughs enough.Yes Mbikers back having a bit of trouble(Frank spencer style] with a load of logs.Trying to wind down for xmas but the work keeps comming in.you down on friday or out on the lash or both? Have a good one mate see you soon.
jayden wrote:No mate. moved my office from south London to west London due to it constantly taking me 2+hrs to travel 11miles home and been really busy sorting things out.
Steve. Brentford wrote:Ha ha steve were you been fishing?
jayden wrote:Was it Kenny Dalglish :O)
Oi Den! wrote:Dont worry about that Den i remember how many posts came up after the youth game you were one and london red was another also not many when Bodin made his aftermatch interview bit like the get story in the team lot.Q WHO was the match day sponsers man of the match town youth v liverpool how many will get that.
jayden wrote:Hello jayden. No, can't say I remember it but don't doubt you said it. Anyway, I'm going to stop being a busybody and leave the debate to others now. That should please Custodian.
Oi Den! wrote:Hi Den if you cast your mind back do you remember me touching on one or two of the youth players behavour a round match days last season.
Custodian wrote:Great. Glad to see constructive debate is alive and well.
Oi Den! wrote:Busybody.
Custodian wrote:Really, Custodian? Maybe I've got it all wrong but I see a feud between the first team manager and the youth team coach as a very serious matter, and one I should be most intertested in. Ah well, I suppose we all see things differently.
NOBODY KNOWS ANYTHING.
We all know this: We won 2-0 at Oldham on Saturday and there's a big game coming up at home on Friday. That's all we should be interested in. Come on you reds!
I have also resisted posting (a bit like LR really) due to me wanting to jump down some peoples throats,so decided instead of going mad and arguing with people i don't even know not to bother.
Hope you are well and still working hard mate,is MBiker back from his travels?
jayden
says...
6:22pm Mon 17 Dec 12
Oxon-Red wrote:Yes all matchs are on dvd .Agree that winning is not everything thats why the FA changed the rules for this season.Also as i said yesterday to learn more about our scouting system put in K RYDER as i said yesterday i might be P Spence whos time will be up.Thats the lot on this subject from me time as Grim says to think about friday 5-0 to the town now for a nice sit down in my tracksuit {no cigar} and a cup of tea ..hold on their someone at the door its the police ..... its a red track suit not gold honest just turn this dvd of and ill be with you officer.
sp2769 wrote:SP,
Oxon-Red wrote:Oxon Maybe we should have, and probably would have if we'd have kept them all instead of selling them all off?? You can only work with what you have and what you can afford to keep. Again I would say if PDC is serious about youth and this Barcelona twaddle he keeps coming out with then why has he not watched one game and why has he not got involved positively instead of banning the youth players from even watching his training sessions, what does that portray to them and why would that be deremental. I find it all rather strange. PDC goes on about Crewe and there set up, there manager has been there a while and regularly watches 13,14,15,16 year old games so knows what the players are capable of therefore giving himself a balanced view when players reach 16. I'm afraid we cannot say the same about our manager who wouldn't know what we have, so would not be able to select any of them on a balanced view, these youth players must be asking themselves what chance have we got if he hasn't even seen us play? I'm afraid if you gather all the information up it does look like a personal vendetta against PB. Anything that PB is involved in seems to be quashed, it is a real shame. Maybe he feels threatened by PB? Don't see why he's not that type of character. If PDC does not want him there why does he just not tell him? I'm sure the board are more than happy with what PB has and is doing for the club and I would expect the chairman in the next day or two to publicly come out and say sosp2769 wrote: Oxon Exactly What is his gripe?? He just rants, never constructive and to do what he wants to do will cost millions, I feel his open public criticism of people within the youth set up is uncalled for and unnecessary a lot of them do it voluntary, how long will they stay around getting hammered in the press? Do you think he would accept public criticism of his bad signings and substitutes daily in the papers no he wouldn't, it is unprofessional and embarrassing it's not as if we are storming away with the title is it? Henshall and the two goalkeepers you cant just dismiss out of the equation it's fact for everyone to see!! Reference the parents helping, I take your point but was trying to get accross that the budget is tight and PDC shouldn't compare us to Liverpool youth set up which such things would never happen not comparing like for like, compare our youth set up and what has been produced with anybody else in league one and I would have thought we would come out near the top end.SP, Good response, I think the crux of the matter is the end product. I don't want to knock the volunteers as I do it myself for my kid's football clubs. Presumably funding has been the reason for the reliance on these people and I have no doubt that they work their proverbials off and do a very good job but do the methods and sessions they employ have a recognised structure that is implemented right through to the Under 18 level. Paolo talks of the Barcelona way, I guess he sees this as taking the kids from an early age and teaching them in a consistent way. It would take funding and I presume it would require paid coaches that can devote all their energies towards the kids. I could understand that this may not be popular with people currently giving their valuable time to helping the kids and may be this is where he is meeting with the hostility. I would see this type of set up as something worthy of investment even if it is unpopular with some that are currently involved. In the long term it would benefit both the kids development and the club in terms of players coming through the ranks. I am only surmising and I love seeing a young player come up through the ranks and do well but shouldn't we have seen more over the last 10 years or so. COYMR
Good response. As I said I can only surmise and draw a conclusion from comments.
I assume you are involved in some way and therefore have first hand knowledge of the banning etc. Something I was not aware of and something I find a bit bizarre but not, strangely, surprising as he has mentioned the fitness of the youngsters in the past.
I believe, correct me if I am wrong, but many of the youngsters matches are played on Saturday/Sunday mornings so the viewing may be difficult with first team duties to perform.
Are matches videoed ? It seems that Paolo likes to watch and study teams to gain inside information. Could he be keeping up to date this way ?
It is a shame if he and PB are at loggerheads. I hope it can be sorted as the idea of a Swindon/Barcelona way for the kids appeals to me. Teach the kids to play properly and not worry about the result until later in their development (too much emphasis on winning at a young age IMO).
COYMR
London Red
says...
7:12pm Mon 17 Dec 12
Den - I never said anything bad against Bodin
.
I was just pointing out people were using players who did not actually progress up the ranks through Bodin as an example as why our youths are "brilliant" and he should be manager instead of PdC
.
Yes you are right it can be the talent rather than the teaching is the issue - thus our best prospects have come from Plymouth or Coventry!
.
That could be one issue - why are we not attracting that many? Also why not for 2 or 3 years since Budgie left?
.
I'm just think of a list of who has "made it" and it is not long and not impressive - unless Young Alan Young or Michael Pook count as success stories????
.
As to the point about Henshall and the 2 GK (who couldn't even be named! It's Stephens and J Thompson by the way) - Yes the money is good but they have not made it or a sign of success
.
Leigh Mills doesn't even play football anymore and Tozer is in L2 showing its doesn't always work out - but is the fact we made a few quid null that and make it a sucess?
.
Also as for PdC knows nothing about our youth - then how did he know about Storey and Bedwell last season and Louis Thompson and Oakley this year then???
.
Our Youth is not a disaster at all - thus the Thompsons et al - but is not great and can certainly be improved - not sure why that is seen as an issues by most other than PdC said it
.
Surely most want at least one player coming up each year who is ready when he comes up not 3 years later!
.
I was just pointing out people were using players who did not actually progress up the ranks through Bodin as an example as why our youths are "brilliant" and he should be manager instead of PdC
.
Yes you are right it can be the talent rather than the teaching is the issue - thus our best prospects have come from Plymouth or Coventry!
.
That could be one issue - why are we not attracting that many? Also why not for 2 or 3 years since Budgie left?
.
I'm just think of a list of who has "made it" and it is not long and not impressive - unless Young Alan Young or Michael Pook count as success stories????
.
As to the point about Henshall and the 2 GK (who couldn't even be named! It's Stephens and J Thompson by the way) - Yes the money is good but they have not made it or a sign of success
.
Leigh Mills doesn't even play football anymore and Tozer is in L2 showing its doesn't always work out - but is the fact we made a few quid null that and make it a sucess?
.
Also as for PdC knows nothing about our youth - then how did he know about Storey and Bedwell last season and Louis Thompson and Oakley this year then???
.
Our Youth is not a disaster at all - thus the Thompsons et al - but is not great and can certainly be improved - not sure why that is seen as an issues by most other than PdC said it
.
Surely most want at least one player coming up each year who is ready when he comes up not 3 years later!
sp2769
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7:31pm Mon 17 Dec 12
London Red wrote:London look at who the players agent is ? Say no more btw a bit contradictory saying we don't bring people through when 3 are in the squad, as for budgie, well no comment there unless you are one of his poker mates???
Den - I never said anything bad against Bodin
.
I was just pointing out people were using players who did not actually progress up the ranks through Bodin as an example as why our youths are "brilliant" and he should be manager instead of PdC
.
Yes you are right it can be the talent rather than the teaching is the issue - thus our best prospects have come from Plymouth or Coventry!
.
That could be one issue - why are we not attracting that many? Also why not for 2 or 3 years since Budgie left?
.
I'm just think of a list of who has "made it" and it is not long and not impressive - unless Young Alan Young or Michael Pook count as success stories????
.
As to the point about Henshall and the 2 GK (who couldn't even be named! It's Stephens and J Thompson by the way) - Yes the money is good but they have not made it or a sign of success
.
Leigh Mills doesn't even play football anymore and Tozer is in L2 showing its doesn't always work out - but is the fact we made a few quid null that and make it a sucess?
.
Also as for PdC knows nothing about our youth - then how did he know about Storey and Bedwell last season and Louis Thompson and Oakley this year then???
.
Our Youth is not a disaster at all - thus the Thompsons et al - but is not great and can certainly be improved - not sure why that is seen as an issues by most other than PdC said it
.
Surely most want at least one player coming up each year who is ready when he comes up not 3 years later!
jayden
says...
7:35pm Mon 17 Dec 12
London Red wrote:Hi london red how are you? This might seem stupid but i noticed only M.Francis at the st v liverpool match wore short sleeves and boy did he work hard ,might seem trivel to most but i can tell you i had 3 layers on and hot coffiee and was still frozen .little details go a long way in some peoples eyes.
Den - I never said anything bad against Bodin
.
I was just pointing out people were using players who did not actually progress up the ranks through Bodin as an example as why our youths are "brilliant" and he should be manager instead of PdC
.
Yes you are right it can be the talent rather than the teaching is the issue - thus our best prospects have come from Plymouth or Coventry!
.
That could be one issue - why are we not attracting that many? Also why not for 2 or 3 years since Budgie left?
.
I'm just think of a list of who has "made it" and it is not long and not impressive - unless Young Alan Young or Michael Pook count as success stories????
.
As to the point about Henshall and the 2 GK (who couldn't even be named! It's Stephens and J Thompson by the way) - Yes the money is good but they have not made it or a sign of success
.
Leigh Mills doesn't even play football anymore and Tozer is in L2 showing its doesn't always work out - but is the fact we made a few quid null that and make it a sucess?
.
Also as for PdC knows nothing about our youth - then how did he know about Storey and Bedwell last season and Louis Thompson and Oakley this year then???
.
Our Youth is not a disaster at all - thus the Thompsons et al - but is not great and can certainly be improved - not sure why that is seen as an issues by most other than PdC said it
.
Surely most want at least one player coming up each year who is ready when he comes up not 3 years later!
DarrenSTFCRomain
says...
8:32pm Mon 17 Dec 12
Paolo will go way be4 Bodin...
Oi Den!
says...
8:43pm Mon 17 Dec 12
LR, you make fair points there. I wasn't making a pro-Bodin case either. I'd rather let the Chairman sort it out than try to make my mind up based on rumour or guesswork.
DarrenSTFCRomain
says...
8:43pm Mon 17 Dec 12
Steve. Brentford wrote:I THOUGHT YOU WERE DEAD...
jayden wrote:No mate. moved my office from south London to west London due to it constantly taking me 2+hrs to travel 11miles home and been really busy sorting things out. I have also resisted posting (a bit like LR really) due to me wanting to jump down some peoples throats,so decided instead of going mad and arguing with people i don't even know not to bother. Hope you are well and still working hard mate,is MBiker back from his travels?Steve. Brentford wrote:Ha ha steve were you been fishing?jayden wrote:Was it Kenny Dalglish :O)Oi Den! wrote:Dont worry about that Den i remember how many posts came up after the youth game you were one and london red was another also not many when Bodin made his aftermatch interview bit like the get story in the team lot.Q WHO was the match day sponsers man of the match town youth v liverpool how many will get that.jayden wrote:Hello jayden. No, can't say I remember it but don't doubt you said it. Anyway, I'm going to stop being a busybody and leave the debate to others now. That should please Custodian.Oi Den! wrote:Hi Den if you cast your mind back do you remember me touching on one or two of the youth players behavour a round match days last season.Custodian wrote:Great. Glad to see constructive debate is alive and well.Oi Den! wrote:Busybody.Custodian wrote: NOBODY KNOWS ANYTHING. We all know this: We won 2-0 at Oldham on Saturday and there's a big game coming up at home on Friday. That's all we should be interested in. Come on you reds!Really, Custodian? Maybe I've got it all wrong but I see a feud between the first team manager and the youth team coach as a very serious matter, and one I should be most intertested in. Ah well, I suppose we all see things differently.
Happy xmas to you and all the family me old muck
Andy Evo
says...
8:54pm Mon 17 Dec 12
Lots of people coming out and having a go at Paul Bodin, why? Who has come out in the media shouting and balling about this and that, not Bodin, he has not said a word, he has gone about his task. If Paolo has a problem with him, its not like Paolo is a meek and mild character, why can't he walk into Bodins office and say "Paul I don't like this or that" and be a man about it and sort it out. Why hide behind a newspaper reporter and obviously have a go at him without actually using his name, its clear for all to see who he has issues with?
Even if there is some issues with the Academy setup, which I can't see how there is given that N Thompson, L Thompson, Bedwell, Storey and Oakley are currently involved, shouldn't Paolo be focussing more on the 1st team and not worrying about the Academy until the end of the season?
I honestly cannot see any single benefit to all the rubbish thats come out in the press this week, how can it benefit anyone at all?
Even if there is some issues with the Academy setup, which I can't see how there is given that N Thompson, L Thompson, Bedwell, Storey and Oakley are currently involved, shouldn't Paolo be focussing more on the 1st team and not worrying about the Academy until the end of the season?
I honestly cannot see any single benefit to all the rubbish thats come out in the press this week, how can it benefit anyone at all?
Oi Den!
says...
9:11pm Mon 17 Dec 12
Andy, one benefit could be that the club will get its arse in gear and deal with the problem now that it's out in the open. I get the impression that Sir William Patey was brought in to beef up the leadership of the club. So...
Oxon-Red
says...
9:15pm Mon 17 Dec 12
Off subject.
For anyone that is thinking of going to the Tranmere game but has yet to buy a ticket, there is a £5 off a future match voucher available on the ADVENTure week 3 email.
The voucher has to be presented on Thursday from the Box Office.
COYMR
For anyone that is thinking of going to the Tranmere game but has yet to buy a ticket, there is a £5 off a future match voucher available on the ADVENTure week 3 email.
The voucher has to be presented on Thursday from the Box Office.
COYMR
TenerifeRed
says...
11:23pm Mon 17 Dec 12
PB is a legend in the Town from his playing days but that doesn't automatically make him an excellent youth team manager.
What do we want from our youth team?
Young players coming through ready for the first team who meet the managers criteria or an easy job for life for an ex-player.
No brainer.
What do we want from our youth team?
Young players coming through ready for the first team who meet the managers criteria or an easy job for life for an ex-player.
No brainer.
stfc2012 says...
6:26am Mon 17 Dec 12