Hollands injury is not so serious (From Swindon Advertiser)

I don't think anybody is that impressed with the reply and apology from the FL paper. It doesn't sound very sincere and it doesn't go far enough. Although the club have accepted the apology, J. Wray as he is no longer employed by STFC in any way and as he was named can surely still pursue the matter further. Get them on the rack Jay-Wray, and squeeze 'em till their eyes pop.

So what has the fact that we may or may not have financial problems got to do with not giving us tickets for Creepy??? Crawley upto their old tricks even without the fat boy in charge

delta419 wrote:
So what has the fact that we may or may not have financial problems got to do with not giving us tickets for Creepy??? Crawley upto their old tricks even without the fat boy in charge

looks like we'll all be watching the game on the telly then

Crawleys reaction just goes to show that people believe what they want to believe and act on sound-bites.

This shows the wider implications that the FLP article has caused.

Crawley should issue US with an appology and make tickets available again.

delta419 wrote:
So what has the fact that we may or may not have financial problems got to do with not giving us tickets for Creepy??? Crawley upto their old tricks even without the fat boy in charge

If we were in financial trouble we could sell tickets for the match and then not pass the money on to Crawley. I seem to remember the same thing happening with Cheltenham the last time we were in the mire.

Crawley have taken the decision to recall the tickets and only make them available on the day, thus ensuring all the money goes directly to them.

Typical Creepy Crawley all the Town can do is really win this one.
All seems so sad these rumours and all theB/S that goes with them.
As to the Shiek wally etc he aint so popular in Spain read the write up.
Still his money is as good as anyone elses.
Wonder who these MYSTERY Buyers could be???????
Hope it all happens soon

the wizard wrote:
I don't think anybody is that impressed with the reply and apology from the FL paper. It doesn't sound very sincere and it doesn't go far enough. Although the club have accepted the apology, J. Wray as he is no longer employed by STFC in any way and as he was named can surely still pursue the matter further. Get them on the rack Jay-Wray, and squeeze 'em till their eyes pop.

I said in my post last night the damage this jounalist and the newspaper has done to Jeremy and STFC cannot be repaired by just a letter of apology and a retraction of the article. The damage has been done and when mud is thrown it sticks. IMO, It is only an admission of their guilt in order to avoid a legal battle they know they could not win.

Today Crawley football club has withdrawn the sale of tickets for our visit to them in February on the basis they believe what was said in this libalous article. How many other clubs and their supporters also believe we are cheats that prospered by winning div 2 last year. No, the damage has been done and from the outside it looks like we have let them off very lightly.

I was going to go to Creepy's non league joke of a stadium to watch the ritual 3-0 thrashing, but given their pathetic attitude over tickets I will not give them a penny but watch it on Sky. Better idea still, how about STFC open up the Legends and we all watch it on a big screen in protest ?

fredi wrote:
I was going to go to Creepy's non league joke of a stadium to watch the ritual 3-0 thrashing, but given their pathetic attitude over tickets I will not give them a penny but watch it on Sky. Better idea still, how about STFC open up the Legends and we all watch it on a big screen in protest ?

The team need us in the stadium as well though....we wouldn't be hurting Crawley so much as our own team.

Quote "DANNY Hollands’ foot injury is not as bad as first feared, the Advertiser understands, but he could still face several weeks on the sidelines." .

Would think he is back at Charlton for treatment by now and that's a disappointing ending for him and us to the present loan spell. If it is not automatically extended I think we can still go back in for him 1 week after the window closes, probably in time for the Hartlepool game on the 9th Feb. Think that leaves our best midfield pairing as Miller and Ferry with Navarro 3rd choice on the bench.

Hope Saturdays game at Tranmere goes ahead, planning on being there with my son and meet up with my mate and his sons that live up that way.

As for the Tranmere game this weekend,Iwas on the Phone to the War pension Dept in Blackpool yesterday and in that area all is ok weather wise no snow,and they are a few miles further up.
So looks possible for the game

That article over and done with. Lets get on with it. No difference whether people but tickets before or after. They only reacted to protect themselves and can't be blamed for that. Lets move on with 3 points this weekend and add value to any potential investors.

2012 well said. Let's get up to Tranmere first, put them to the sword, collect my winnings from Ladbrokes 8/5 very generous.

Then let's go n and win this league. The quicker we can get more wins on the board the more likely Black will not put us into administration. This really is THE moment all Town fans need to try and do their bit.

I'm extremely sceptical of prospects of sale at moment but believe if we have Championship football we have a chance. Everyone really needs to do whatever they can between now and the end of Febraury to support our manager and team.

COYR

old town robin wrote:
Quote "DANNY Hollands’ foot injury is not as bad as first feared, the Advertiser understands, but he could still face several weeks on the sidelines." .

Would think he is back at Charlton for treatment by now and that's a disappointing ending for him and us to the present loan spell. If it is not automatically extended I think we can still go back in for him 1 week after the window closes, probably in time for the Hartlepool game on the 9th Feb. Think that leaves our best midfield pairing as Miller and Ferry with Navarro 3rd choice on the bench.

Hope Saturdays game at Tranmere goes ahead, planning on being there with my son and meet up with my mate and his sons that live up that way.

....don't forget we've still got Macka whose natural position is midfield!
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....if J-Mac is back we have the luxury of 3 Centre Backs with Macka and Devera covering right back and Macka covering left back.

open up the bars town sell tickets and we wil have the money instead i would rather pay a £10 in protest than give crawley any money

old town robin wrote:
Quote "DANNY Hollands’ foot injury is not as bad as first feared, the Advertiser understands, but he could still face several weeks on the sidelines." .

Would think he is back at Charlton for treatment by now and that's a disappointing ending for him and us to the present loan spell. If it is not automatically extended I think we can still go back in for him 1 week after the window closes, probably in time for the Hartlepool game on the 9th Feb. Think that leaves our best midfield pairing as Miller and Ferry with Navarro 3rd choice on the bench.

Hope Saturdays game at Tranmere goes ahead, planning on being there with my son and meet up with my mate and his sons that live up that way.

Forecast for the area is good all week with the possibility of a bit of sleet early Friday but then rain.
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Saturday is due to be 6 degrees - so get those surfing shorts and sunglasses out!! :-)
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A win on Saturday would set us up nicely for a challenge on Doncaster.
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Everyone has agreed on how bad they were at the County Ground but with an away record which reads W-10 D-3 L-1 you have to say - "Was it our players that made them look bad!?" after all Tranmere played their worst at the CG as did Carlisle etc. etc.
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The time has to come when we accept that it is our team and style of play that makes them look poor....doesn't it?

Back to the headline, although this 'Exclusive' is a muddled round-up of various re-hashed stories...it's not good news about Hollands.

When I read 'Hollands' injury not so serious' I was hoping he would be fit for Saturday. Instead he's out for a few weeks, and almost certainly the remaining duration of his loan period.

When we had scraped together just enough cash to extend his loan by just one month, this is a real kick in the chops.

He's been a key part in our recent surge. And it was against Tranmere in the 5-0 win that I really noticed how good he was. The pressing he and Ferry did in midfield really did set up the platform for victory. Tranmere just had no time on the ball. Our fifth goal was a classic example. He will be missed.

Losing Hollands won't be a diaster but would be a loss. He has a good understanding with Ferry and imo is better than Miller and Navarro.

I can see a selection headache looming as to where to play Macca. He is a good player and can do a job at RB, CB, LB, CM, but I think we have better in each position.

As to Crawley yes mud sticks, but no great issue. May lose a few numbers off the gate as some like to travel with ticket in hand, plus it's on the telly anyway, but I can see their reasoning. If we pre-sold 700 at say £20 a ticket that's £1,400 and is probably a lot of money to them, don't forget they are a little club that has found themselves in the dreamland of League 1. When we get sold to Sheik Rattle and Roll or whoever the problem will go away.

Just heard on BBC Swindon 10am news.A Fitton would not rule out a return to STFC wow that at least is some intersting news
from a windy/wet port de soller mallorca
NO SNOW YET normally up in PUIG MAJOR in late jan

mallorca wrote:
Just heard on BBC Swindon 10am news.A Fitton would not rule out a return to STFC wow that at least is some intersting news
from a windy/wet port de soller mallorca
NO SNOW YET normally up in PUIG MAJOR in late jan

mallorca. as much as we stand in appreciation of the man, politely, no, not as Chairman.

He was often in the USA, and to my mind not quick enough to see reality. He was long winded over transfers, and he also sold Greer, and we all know where that went. To come back as a director in some capacity then I would more than welcome the man, but not sat as Chairman. He has had his time and sadly it went wrong for him, he resigned and moved on. I think the club, expectation and the whole thing has moved on significantly since he left. In his defense he did sign some good players and I've not forgotten that, but as I say, not as Chairman. To take this club forward and develop it we need somebody who is here, hands on for at least 5 days a week.

I wonder if AF came back whether he would bring Jwray with him....

SAPFanSTFC wrote:

old town robin wrote:
Quote "DANNY Hollands’ foot injury is not as bad as first feared, the Advertiser understands, but he could still face several weeks on the sidelines." .

Would think he is back at Charlton for treatment by now and that's a disappointing ending for him and us to the present loan spell. If it is not automatically extended I think we can still go back in for him 1 week after the window closes, probably in time for the Hartlepool game on the 9th Feb. Think that leaves our best midfield pairing as Miller and Ferry with Navarro 3rd choice on the bench.

Hope Saturdays game at Tranmere goes ahead, planning on being there with my son and meet up with my mate and his sons that live up that way.

....don't forget we've still got Macka whose natural position is midfield!
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....if J-Mac is back we have the luxury of 3 Centre Backs with Macka and Devera covering right back and Macka covering left back.

Sap, saw your's and STFC post on the Tranmere paddock site post from doogiesh*t. My, my aren't they misinformed wanting us relegated or deducted 20 points for good measure. But that is what happens when an unsubstantiated slur is written by a sloppy jounalist.

Would like to know who they think our 4th loanee is by the way, last count in my reckoning was 3 and only Martin will be likely to start on Saturday.

Think you calmed some of them down a little and put them right, but I will be expecting a few air heads to try and give paolo a bad time on saturday.

Do you think the football league paper should send a post to every club in the league admitting their error, because I think the next 4 away games will see a reaction from the misinformed.

Hollands has been outstanding for us and Miller now will need to step up so it doesnt affect the performances of the team. I do think miller did well when he came on at the weekend but Shrewsbury were a very poor side and Tranmere although we beat them 5-0 i did think in midfield they moved the ball around well at times and they will be really up to get revenge against us.

Andrew Fitton article on BBC website.... he's considering returning to club....

"And Fitton says the main reason for him leaving the board was because of their financial make-up.

"When the club started to look forward there were two models to follow; there's my model where we try and balance the books. But there's another model clubs have followed, both successfully and unsuccessfully, of investing heavily to get where they want to get to.

"The problem with that model is that it's very expensive and doesn't always work. We've seen countless times how clubs have destroyed people by being too expensive.

"I favour the first model because its sustainable and has a chance of long-term survival. The second model is fine as long as you've got benefactors willing to fund it"

THE ONLY TROUBLE WITH YOUR MODEL MR FITTON IS - IT GOT US RELEGATED, BY SELLING OUR BEST PLAYERS TO BALANCE THE BOOKS.

i dont see how anyone can really criticise Fitton as he was the guy who rescused our club with his consortium. However i do feel he interfered in player selection too much as was to close to Danny Wilson and i would hope he would have learnt a massive lesson from his mistakes and no way would Paolo accept it anyway.
I totally respect what he did for our club but also felt he should have pulled the trigger on Wilson way before it happenned and you can see the same second season syndrome happenning where he is now at Sheff Utd as they are starting to slip a bit.
i think as a club we have to look at all options of investment as we cant keep going through this every few years.
I think all football clubs need to get in the real world with regards to their annual budgets and spending etc and we really should learn from the Bundeslega on how there clubs run because they have to show their accounts at the start of a season and they cannot be in the red otherwise they cat start the season plus no German club is allowed to be foreign owned that may be a bit extreme but they have seriouslt got it right in Germany on how to run their clubs.

Wilesy wrote:
Losing Hollands won't be a diaster but would be a loss. He has a good understanding with Ferry and imo is better than Miller and Navarro.

I can see a selection headache looming as to where to play Macca. He is a good player and can do a job at RB, CB, LB, CM, but I think we have better in each position.

As to Crawley yes mud sticks, but no great issue. May lose a few numbers off the gate as some like to travel with ticket in hand, plus it's on the telly anyway, but I can see their reasoning. If we pre-sold 700 at say £20 a ticket that's £1,400 and is probably a lot of money to them, don't forget they are a little club that has found themselves in the dreamland of League 1. When we get sold to Sheik Rattle and Roll or whoever the problem will go away.

phew...glad you're not in charge of the finances. 0/10 see me!

AF coming back would be a good move in my view, the club needs financial discipline. It's either that or someone with money to burn who doesn't mind chucking it our way - but that way can end in tears.
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I think he will learn from last time and not make the same mistakes, but the club would be on a sound footing and avoid this heartache every couple of years. We could do with some stability.

Would like to see J Wray return. Maybe Fitton, BUT NOT AS CHAIRMAN.

AF Idea of balancing the books was to sell our best players, If the club is looking to move forward, AF & JW are not the answer.

Of course, Fitton is right. Balancing the books is the only way that football can really be sustainable. Or any business, or household.

However, The Premier League with its Sky TV deal and wealthy foreign owners using our big brand clubs as playthings, totally distorts things. Which is why everyone else screws their finances in order to try to compete but it usually ends in tears.

We need the football authorities to be strong and instil financial discipline on ALL clubs. It has to be a level playing field though. I support what Platini is trying to do in financial fair play. Unfortunately the planks who run English football don't see it that way, don't understand it, or are too weak to stand up to the 'big' clubs.

Would welcome Fitton back no problem.
Will always be grateful for what he did for our club. Funny how he used to be called Sir AF when we were doing well but slated when we were not !
I do not think he was blameless but his intentions always seemed to be honourable and he did what he thought was best for the club. I agree with the above that he may well have learnt from his previous time at STFC.
At this moment in time I feel its a case of better the devil you know.

If anyone think clubs don't need to sell then they are deluded!
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How many players have Arsenal sold in recnt times to cash in before they became free agents - Nasri, Fabregas, RVP!
.
What about Palace about to sell Zaha
.
Rhodes left Udders after promotion and Burnley lost Rodriquez and could lose Austin!
.
I have no issue with that model and in fact it should be used - it just needs to be fine tuned
.
The fact we now have PdC would help with this - as he is not spineless like Wilson and would not allow Greer to have been sold etc
.
The idea is you buy Cox (like Fitton did!)
.
He plays and does well and you sell him on for a massive profit (like Fitton did!)
.
You then reinvest some of that money on new players like Austin, Caddis and Ferry (like Fitton did!)
.
You then sell another one (Austin) for a massive profit and again reinvest some on new talent like Flint and Ritchie (like Fitton did!)
.
This then continues and overall the squad should develop and improve as you lose 1 but add 3 or 4 new faces - i.e we nearly went up after Cox was sold
.
Granted his last season went wrong but that was WILSON's fault not fitton's
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Greer should not have been sold - true -but PdC would not stand for that yet Wilson did
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The dressing room should not have been seperated and full of boozers -PdC would not stand for that yet Wilson did
.
If Fitton did pick the team as suggested then Wilson should have threaten to walk - PdC would not stand for that yet Wilson did
.
Lessons would have been learnt and with a far far far better manager in charge like we have I think we would prosper
.
PdC has shown he can adapt and work with with budgets - so should have no issue with the new model
.
I think a balance would be needed and AF and JW in reversed roles would be great
.
We get a fantastic chairman who works well with the manager, fans and media
.
We also then get an improved Fitton who wants to make the club self sufficient which is apparently the fans want (yet not if it involves selling any players?)
.
Would get my vote and would show they love the club as they are returning!

Devon Red wrote:
Would welcome Fitton back no problem.
Will always be grateful for what he did for our club. Funny how he used to be called Sir AF when we were doing well but slated when we were not !
I do not think he was blameless but his intentions always seemed to be honourable and he did what he thought was best for the club. I agree with the above that he may well have learnt from his previous time at STFC.
At this moment in time I feel its a case of better the devil you know.

Bringing back Fitton would be too risky. Unless he's learnt from the disastrous mistakes he made in our relegation year. I'm not sure he has!

London Red wrote:
If anyone think clubs don't need to sell then they are deluded!
.
How many players have Arsenal sold in recnt times to cash in before they became free agents - Nasri, Fabregas, RVP!
.
What about Palace about to sell Zaha
.
Rhodes left Udders after promotion and Burnley lost Rodriquez and could lose Austin!
.
I have no issue with that model and in fact it should be used - it just needs to be fine tuned
.
The fact we now have PdC would help with this - as he is not spineless like Wilson and would not allow Greer to have been sold etc
.
The idea is you buy Cox (like Fitton did!)
.
He plays and does well and you sell him on for a massive profit (like Fitton did!)
.
You then reinvest some of that money on new players like Austin, Caddis and Ferry (like Fitton did!)
.
You then sell another one (Austin) for a massive profit and again reinvest some on new talent like Flint and Ritchie (like Fitton did!)
.
This then continues and overall the squad should develop and improve as you lose 1 but add 3 or 4 new faces - i.e we nearly went up after Cox was sold
.
Granted his last season went wrong but that was WILSON's fault not fitton's
.
Greer should not have been sold - true -but PdC would not stand for that yet Wilson did
.
The dressing room should not have been seperated and full of boozers -PdC would not stand for that yet Wilson did
.
If Fitton did pick the team as suggested then Wilson should have threaten to walk - PdC would not stand for that yet Wilson did
.
Lessons would have been learnt and with a far far far better manager in charge like we have I think we would prosper
.
PdC has shown he can adapt and work with with budgets - so should have no issue with the new model
.
I think a balance would be needed and AF and JW in reversed roles would be great
.
We get a fantastic chairman who works well with the manager, fans and media
.
We also then get an improved Fitton who wants to make the club self sufficient which is apparently the fans want (yet not if it involves selling any players?)
.
Would get my vote and would show they love the club as they are returning!

Fitton was responsible for selling Greer, end of! He was also responsible for selling Austin and replacing him with Benyon, thus scuppering our chances of survival in League 1.

He also appointed Malpas, which nearly resulted in us getting relegated in his first full season in charge.

Fitton returning.... be careful what you wish for.

Med Red wrote:

London Red wrote:
If anyone think clubs don't need to sell then they are deluded!
.
How many players have Arsenal sold in recnt times to cash in before they became free agents - Nasri, Fabregas, RVP!
.
What about Palace about to sell Zaha
.
Rhodes left Udders after promotion and Burnley lost Rodriquez and could lose Austin!
.
I have no issue with that model and in fact it should be used - it just needs to be fine tuned
.
The fact we now have PdC would help with this - as he is not spineless like Wilson and would not allow Greer to have been sold etc
.
The idea is you buy Cox (like Fitton did!)
.
He plays and does well and you sell him on for a massive profit (like Fitton did!)
.
You then reinvest some of that money on new players like Austin, Caddis and Ferry (like Fitton did!)
.
You then sell another one (Austin) for a massive profit and again reinvest some on new talent like Flint and Ritchie (like Fitton did!)
.
This then continues and overall the squad should develop and improve as you lose 1 but add 3 or 4 new faces - i.e we nearly went up after Cox was sold
.
Granted his last season went wrong but that was WILSON's fault not fitton's
.
Greer should not have been sold - true -but PdC would not stand for that yet Wilson did
.
The dressing room should not have been seperated and full of boozers -PdC would not stand for that yet Wilson did
.
If Fitton did pick the team as suggested then Wilson should have threaten to walk - PdC would not stand for that yet Wilson did
.
Lessons would have been learnt and with a far far far better manager in charge like we have I think we would prosper
.
PdC has shown he can adapt and work with with budgets - so should have no issue with the new model
.
I think a balance would be needed and AF and JW in reversed roles would be great
.
We get a fantastic chairman who works well with the manager, fans and media
.
We also then get an improved Fitton who wants to make the club self sufficient which is apparently the fans want (yet not if it involves selling any players?)
.
Would get my vote and would show they love the club as they are returning!

Fitton was responsible for selling Greer, end of! He was also responsible for selling Austin and replacing him with Benyon, thus scuppering our chances of survival in League 1.

He also appointed Malpas, which nearly resulted in us getting relegated in his first full season in charge.

Fitton returning.... be careful what you wish for.

The only thing I've got against Fitton returning,is he wasn't a very good chairman,part-time to start with!got off to a poor start getting in Malpas!then telling Wilson who to buy and sell,massive mistake selling Greer,which set us back two years and got us relegated!can't see Paolo working with Fitton!so it's a NO go,NO chance and as someone in Ireland once said!NEVER,NEVER,NEV
ER!!!!!!!!!!!!

the don69 wrote:

Med Red wrote:

London Red wrote:
If anyone think clubs don't need to sell then they are deluded!
.
How many players have Arsenal sold in recnt times to cash in before they became free agents - Nasri, Fabregas, RVP!
.
What about Palace about to sell Zaha
.
Rhodes left Udders after promotion and Burnley lost Rodriquez and could lose Austin!
.
I have no issue with that model and in fact it should be used - it just needs to be fine tuned
.
The fact we now have PdC would help with this - as he is not spineless like Wilson and would not allow Greer to have been sold etc
.
The idea is you buy Cox (like Fitton did!)
.
He plays and does well and you sell him on for a massive profit (like Fitton did!)
.
You then reinvest some of that money on new players like Austin, Caddis and Ferry (like Fitton did!)
.
You then sell another one (Austin) for a massive profit and again reinvest some on new talent like Flint and Ritchie (like Fitton did!)
.
This then continues and overall the squad should develop and improve as you lose 1 but add 3 or 4 new faces - i.e we nearly went up after Cox was sold
.
Granted his last season went wrong but that was WILSON's fault not fitton's
.
Greer should not have been sold - true -but PdC would not stand for that yet Wilson did
.
The dressing room should not have been seperated and full of boozers -PdC would not stand for that yet Wilson did
.
If Fitton did pick the team as suggested then Wilson should have threaten to walk - PdC would not stand for that yet Wilson did
.
Lessons would have been learnt and with a far far far better manager in charge like we have I think we would prosper
.
PdC has shown he can adapt and work with with budgets - so should have no issue with the new model
.
I think a balance would be needed and AF and JW in reversed roles would be great
.
We get a fantastic chairman who works well with the manager, fans and media
.
We also then get an improved Fitton who wants to make the club self sufficient which is apparently the fans want (yet not if it involves selling any players?)
.
Would get my vote and would show they love the club as they are returning!

Fitton was responsible for selling Greer, end of! He was also responsible for selling Austin and replacing him with Benyon, thus scuppering our chances of survival in League 1.

He also appointed Malpas, which nearly resulted in us getting relegated in his first full season in charge.

Fitton returning.... be careful what you wish for.

The only thing I've got against Fitton returning,is he wasn't a very good chairman,part-time to start with!got off to a poor start getting in Malpas!then telling Wilson who to buy and sell,massive mistake selling Greer,which set us back two years and got us relegated!can't see Paolo working with Fitton!so it's a NO go,NO chance and as someone in Ireland once said!NEVER,NEVER,NEV

ER!!!!!!!!!!!!

If this club generally wants to move forward and be a sustainable championship club we have to have big investment,

LR is right all clubs sell players, but it's all about who you buy to replace them that matters. AF would sell players to balance the books.

The Greer issue still sticks in my throat, Sell our captain and replace him with Morrison, all OK until we found out that the was a £250 release in his contract!! look where they both are now!! Sorry but for me AF is a step backwards.

I agree with you Davidsyrett. Bringing back Fitton in whatever capacity would be a backward step. I am forever grateful for his initial intervention, but was against his meddling in team affairs. In addition, there is NO WAY AF and PDC would get on. An assumption, I know..but I don't think this one is rocket science!

So what's changed for Andrew Fitton, he quit because he was too busy with his US commitments, is it the case he now he has the time to devote to STFC? my other question would be where is he going to get the finance to buy a chunk of Andrews shares without selling our best players.

Wouldn't like to comment further on who would be best for the club until we know what other offers are on the table, but it would seem like a Andrew Fitton led concortium is one of the 4 tenders. I agree with others I could not see him working well with Paolo, remember it was JW that convinced Paolo to become our manager, I have the feeling he would not have been Fitton's choice to take the helm and if it had been his choice we would have probably got Mr Hart.

See Brum have off loaded one of their players, Jake Jervis has gone to a turkish team for 50,000 euros

I don't know there's much at all in these rumours or comments.

But if we do by chance end up with a foreign owner who is based overseas and not here - maybe they would want an experienced guy who is here to look after their interests? In that context someone who had done the job before might fit their bill.

Bill?? Who said bill? Has it been paid?

old town robin wrote:
So what's changed for Andrew Fitton, he quit because he was too busy with his US commitments, is it the case he now he has the time to devote to STFC? my other question would be where is he going to get the finance to buy a chunk of Andrews shares without selling our best players.

Wouldn't like to comment further on who would be best for the club until we know what other offers are on the table, but it would seem like a Andrew Fitton led concortium is one of the 4 tenders. I agree with others I could not see him working well with Paolo, remember it was JW that convinced Paolo to become our manager, I have the feeling he would not have been Fitton's choice to take the helm and if it had been his choice we would have probably got Mr Hart.

Don't bring Mr Hart into it Old Town!you'll get Den on your Tail!LOL!!!but Mr Fitton should stick to Hungerford that's about his level of Chairmanship!!!!!!

mallorca wrote:
Typical Creepy Crawley all the Town can do is really win this one.
All seems so sad these rumours and all theB/S that goes with them.
As to the Shiek wally etc he aint so popular in Spain read the write up.
Still his money is as good as anyone elses.
Wonder who these MYSTERY Buyers could be???????
Hope it all happens soon

Mystery buyer 1 is Kevin Plank. Mr. UA from USA.
Shhh, dont tell anyone although it is not a secret at THFC.

old town robin wrote:

SAPFanSTFC wrote:

old town robin wrote:
Quote "DANNY Hollands’ foot injury is not as bad as first feared, the Advertiser understands, but he could still face several weeks on the sidelines." .

Would think he is back at Charlton for treatment by now and that's a disappointing ending for him and us to the present loan spell. If it is not automatically extended I think we can still go back in for him 1 week after the window closes, probably in time for the Hartlepool game on the 9th Feb. Think that leaves our best midfield pairing as Miller and Ferry with Navarro 3rd choice on the bench.

Hope Saturdays game at Tranmere goes ahead, planning on being there with my son and meet up with my mate and his sons that live up that way.

....don't forget we've still got Macka whose natural position is midfield!
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....if J-Mac is back we have the luxury of 3 Centre Backs with Macka and Devera covering right back and Macka covering left back.

Sap, saw your's and STFC post on the Tranmere paddock site post from doogiesh*t. My, my aren't they misinformed wanting us relegated or deducted 20 points for good measure. But that is what happens when an unsubstantiated slur is written by a sloppy jounalist.

Would like to know who they think our 4th loanee is by the way, last count in my reckoning was 3 and only Martin will be likely to start on Saturday.

Think you calmed some of them down a little and put them right, but I will be expecting a few air heads to try and give paolo a bad time on saturday.

Do you think the football league paper should send a post to every club in the league admitting their error, because I think the next 4 away games will see a reaction from the misinformed.

Hi there Old Town...been out all day but yep what an over-reaction....min
d you these sites are never representative of everyone but if they are/were believing that then it could be a fun time on Sat!
:-)
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I did get confused by the 4th loanee bit made me chuckle a bit.....as for giving Paolo a hard time lets see his reaction at the end of the game...he's never too shy at having a moment to pay his respects to the opposition fans

LR,

Sorry but I dis agree with what you say over Greer.

Wilson said NO to selling him

Nick Watkins told Fitton NO and the changing room would fall apart if he did,how very correct that was.

Fitton, not at the club for sustained periods of time REFUSED TO LISTEN to those who knew better.

Yes, I totally agree that he was good at buying and selling, but remember also the long waits we had before deals went through and how hesitant he was. I admire him for what he did, I admire him for what he stands for, but we need somebody, "at the club" for at least 5/6 days a week if we are to carry this club forwards, especially when we have a strong minded determined manager here.

Not convinced the return of Fitton at this point will be the driving force we need although we could do worse.

3 probable key goals

Stadium redevelopment - not much happened under his watch previously, although the ground was tarted up a bit with a ick of paint and matching seats.

Possible transition from L1 to Championship. Hopefully Paolo will be the main man here so support role only?

At some point should Paolo leave then replacement manager wll be needed. Malpas was a thumbs down appointment, Wilson was thumbs in middle, Hart was a thumbs down disaster. So no great track record there.

Wilesy wrote:
Not convinced the return of Fitton at this point will be the driving force we need although we could do worse.

3 probable key goals

Stadium redevelopment - not much happened under his watch previously, although the ground was tarted up a bit with a ick of paint and matching seats.

Possible transition from L1 to Championship. Hopefully Paolo will be the main man here so support role only?

At some point should Paolo leave then replacement manager wll be needed. Malpas was a thumbs down appointment, Wilson was thumbs in middle, Hart was a thumbs down disaster. So no great track record there.

That doesn't read well - apologies - I'm not saying replacing Paolo is a key goal, just something that will happen at some point and if Fitton is chairman at that point well not a great track record.

the don69 wrote:

old town robin wrote:
So what's changed for Andrew Fitton, he quit because he was too busy with his US commitments, is it the case he now he has the time to devote to STFC? my other question would be where is he going to get the finance to buy a chunk of Andrews shares without selling our best players.

Wouldn't like to comment further on who would be best for the club until we know what other offers are on the table, but it would seem like a Andrew Fitton led concortium is one of the 4 tenders. I agree with others I could not see him working well with Paolo, remember it was JW that convinced Paolo to become our manager, I have the feeling he would not have been Fitton's choice to take the helm and if it had been his choice we would have probably got Mr Hart.

Don't bring Mr Hart into it Old Town!you'll get Den on your Tail!LOL!!!but Mr Fitton should stick to Hungerford that's about his level of Chairmanship!!!!!!

Haha! Nice one Don!

Wiz - in not saying it wasn't Fittons fault over the sale - but Wilson was still spineless over it
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Curbishley left WH after players were sold over his head and then sued for constructive dismissal - that is standing up for your rights as a manager
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I guarantee PdC would not stand for it!!
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The point is if Greer leaving meant the dressing room would fall apart shows we had a bad make up and weak management and THAT is why we went down not due to Fitton
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Had he sold the whole squad then yes you could put blame there but not just over one player
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Wilson and the players (if you can call them that) is the reason we went down

London Red wrote:
Wiz - in not saying it wasn't Fittons fault over the sale - but Wilson was still spineless over it
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Curbishley left WH after players were sold over his head and then sued for constructive dismissal - that is standing up for your rights as a manager
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I guarantee PdC would not stand for it!!
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The point is if Greer leaving meant the dressing room would fall apart shows we had a bad make up and weak management and THAT is why we went down not due to Fitton
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Had he sold the whole squad then yes you could put blame there but not just over one player
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Wilson and the players (if you can call them that) is the reason we went down

James,
I'm not disputing that but what I am saying is he wouldn't listen, and lets be honest if he isn't going to listen to manager and Chief Exec who is he going to take notice of. Watkins was going ballistic and all Fitton wanted to do was balance the books, all fine, but we didn't need the money that badly as the budget was in place and fine. Greer became a cash cow and how much did that mistake cost, it changed the course of history of the club.

Anyway, we've all come a long way from that and despite the drama at the moment I think the club is leaner and meaner and in a far better condition to go forwards, and on that I think most agree. One thing I wouldn't mind is to have AF back just as a director, probably working with Spencer as AF does have an eye for talent and he proved that many times.

London Red wrote:
If anyone think clubs don't need to sell then they are deluded!
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How many players have Arsenal sold in recnt times to cash in before they became free agents - Nasri, Fabregas, RVP!
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What about Palace about to sell Zaha
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Rhodes left Udders after promotion and Burnley lost Rodriquez and could lose Austin!
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I have no issue with that model and in fact it should be used - it just needs to be fine tuned
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The fact we now have PdC would help with this - as he is not spineless like Wilson and would not allow Greer to have been sold etc
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The idea is you buy Cox (like Fitton did!)
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He plays and does well and you sell him on for a massive profit (like Fitton did!)
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You then reinvest some of that money on new players like Austin, Caddis and Ferry (like Fitton did!)
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You then sell another one (Austin) for a massive profit and again reinvest some on new talent like Flint and Ritchie (like Fitton did!)
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This then continues and overall the squad should develop and improve as you lose 1 but add 3 or 4 new faces - i.e we nearly went up after Cox was sold
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Granted his last season went wrong but that was WILSON's fault not fitton's
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Greer should not have been sold - true -but PdC would not stand for that yet Wilson did
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The dressing room should not have been seperated and full of boozers -PdC would not stand for that yet Wilson did
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If Fitton did pick the team as suggested then Wilson should have threaten to walk - PdC would not stand for that yet Wilson did
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Lessons would have been learnt and with a far far far better manager in charge like we have I think we would prosper
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PdC has shown he can adapt and work with with budgets - so should have no issue with the new model
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I think a balance would be needed and AF and JW in reversed roles would be great
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We get a fantastic chairman who works well with the manager, fans and media
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We also then get an improved Fitton who wants to make the club self sufficient which is apparently the fans want (yet not if it involves selling any players?)
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Would get my vote and would show they love the club as they are returning!

This is a good post LR and I'd like to believe it. A more rounded and available Fitton, sticking to his financial model but using more judgement. A more mature PdC standing his ground but accepting some constraints from a new financial model.

Just can't see it happening.

mancrobin said

This is a good post LR and I'd like to believe it. A more rounded and available Fitton, sticking to his financial model but using more judgement. A more mature PdC standing his ground but accepting some constraints from a new financial model.

Just can't see it happening.


Our new owners will have "a take" on the situation, and lets hope we can get somebody who is full time, keeps a prudent eye on the money and the admin, and at the same time listens to our manager, talks to him, understands him and where he is coming from, but at the same time can explain to him why on some occasions he may have to say "wait" instead of an automatic "yes".

I think our man has managed better since the start of the embargo, and has matured a lot as a manager, and that can only be good for all concerned.
If we had a bottom less pit of money by comparison would we have a basically settled side like we do now ?

I've seen on sky sports news that crystal palace have made a bid for matt Ritchie

One question we could face is would we have Andrew Fitton back or administration. Whilst I can appreciate AF made mistakes he was big enough to actually admit this but are there such people out there who do not make mistakes. AF was hell bent on balancing the books but is that really a bad thing for a club at our level. We are getting plenty of glimpses of what its like to over spend with our own embargo and other clubs failures to curb spending like Pompey. I do believe there is a massive gulf in football and the cost of running a successful football club are escalating all the time so just how can a club like Swindon compete with the championship and premiership clubs. Even Div 1 is hard enough and unless we have a sugar daddy with deep pockets as a chairman then we will always need to run the club on the basis of its revenue from gates etc and sorry but 8000 is certainly not enough as quite clearly has been stated. AF made mistakes but then so has Paolo with so many signings and contract pay offs and players that we did not need or were signed in error and as much as I love Paolo and what he has done the fact is he has squandered plenty of money and got away with it under Jeremy Wray. Does this make the situation right I ask. Unless clubs like ours have a big youth system and football academy's of which we don't then we will always have to sell players.

the wizard wrote:

London Red wrote:
Wiz - in not saying it wasn't Fittons fault over the sale - but Wilson was still spineless over it
.
Curbishley left WH after players were sold over his head and then sued for constructive dismissal - that is standing up for your rights as a manager
.
I guarantee PdC would not stand for it!!
.
The point is if Greer leaving meant the dressing room would fall apart shows we had a bad make up and weak management and THAT is why we went down not due to Fitton
.
Had he sold the whole squad then yes you could put blame there but not just over one player
.
Wilson and the players (if you can call them that) is the reason we went down

James,
I'm not disputing that but what I am saying is he wouldn't listen, and lets be honest if he isn't going to listen to manager and Chief Exec who is he going to take notice of. Watkins was going ballistic and all Fitton wanted to do was balance the books, all fine, but we didn't need the money that badly as the budget was in place and fine. Greer became a cash cow and how much did that mistake cost, it changed the course of history of the club.

Anyway, we've all come a long way from that and despite the drama at the moment I think the club is leaner and meaner and in a far better condition to go forwards, and on that I think most agree. One thing I wouldn't mind is to have AF back just as a director, probably working with Spencer as AF does have an eye for talent and he proved that many times.

You must have a short memory Wiz, I don't think Fitton would be comfortable with bankrolling Spencer or any other agent, in fact he has said on more than one occassion what he thinks of the 10% parasites. His arguement was clear, if they represent the players then it's the players that should pay them for their services, but when they also wants the club to pay for the introduction, I can't remember an occassion when he agreed to that.

Everyone can have an opinio as to whether his views are right or wrong but I do remember we lost several good prospects because of his refusal to deal with agents, so don't think for one minute he would have a change of heart now if he returned to the board..

Ritchie to Palace this was always on the cards if the Zaha deal went through- could be big money?

Agree with that but you have even more chance of being sustainable if you combine the 'sell on when ripe, buy when developing' with a good youth set up. Ajax some years ago won the European Cup on the back of it.

Forgetting the personalities for a moment, I think a lot of sense is being talked at the moment in terms of what kind of club we want and what business formula is going to work. It seems encouraging that the message from Black to Patey seems to be, sell if you can, but not at all costs.

My main disappointment in this is that the Trust do not seem to be in the mix at this stage and the possibility of the fans owning a part of the club seems no nearer. Perhaps there isn't the appetite for this?

eastern red wrote:
Ritchie to Palace this was always on the cards if the Zaha deal went through- could be big money?

When Zaha signs for United, they are loaning him back to Palace for the rest of the season, If Ritchie was sold to them for the right price, I would hope they recipricate the same courtesy to us.

Di kanny oh wrote:
One question we could face is would we have Andrew Fitton back or administration. Whilst I can appreciate AF made mistakes he was big enough to actually admit this but are there such people out there who do not make mistakes. AF was hell bent on balancing the books but is that really a bad thing for a club at our level. We are getting plenty of glimpses of what its like to over spend with our own embargo and other clubs failures to curb spending like Pompey. I do believe there is a massive gulf in football and the cost of running a successful football club are escalating all the time so just how can a club like Swindon compete with the championship and premiership clubs. Even Div 1 is hard enough and unless we have a sugar daddy with deep pockets as a chairman then we will always need to run the club on the basis of its revenue from gates etc and sorry but 8000 is certainly not enough as quite clearly has been stated. AF made mistakes but then so has Paolo with so many signings and contract pay offs and players that we did not need or were signed in error and as much as I love Paolo and what he has done the fact is he has squandered plenty of money and got away with it under Jeremy Wray. Does this make the situation right I ask. Unless clubs like ours have a big youth system and football academy's of which we don't then we will always have to sell players.

True to your previous form Wiz, you have logged back on under a different identity again, this time the one you previously admitted you were using on The Oxford Mail.

Why not just post as 'Wiz', your comments are very constructive most of the time??

joey butler wrote:

Di kanny oh wrote:
One question we could face is would we have Andrew Fitton back or administration. Whilst I can appreciate AF made mistakes he was big enough to actually admit this but are there such people out there who do not make mistakes. AF was hell bent on balancing the books but is that really a bad thing for a club at our level. We are getting plenty of glimpses of what its like to over spend with our own embargo and other clubs failures to curb spending like Pompey. I do believe there is a massive gulf in football and the cost of running a successful football club are escalating all the time so just how can a club like Swindon compete with the championship and premiership clubs. Even Div 1 is hard enough and unless we have a sugar daddy with deep pockets as a chairman then we will always need to run the club on the basis of its revenue from gates etc and sorry but 8000 is certainly not enough as quite clearly has been stated. AF made mistakes but then so has Paolo with so many signings and contract pay offs and players that we did not need or were signed in error and as much as I love Paolo and what he has done the fact is he has squandered plenty of money and got away with it under Jeremy Wray. Does this make the situation right I ask. Unless clubs like ours have a big youth system and football academy's of which we don't then we will always have to sell players.

True to your previous form Wiz, you have logged back on under a different identity again, this time the one you previously admitted you were using on The Oxford Mail.

Why not just post as 'Wiz', your comments are very constructive most of the time??

Joey Butler you mate are paranoid I am nothing to do with Wizard who actually is a good guy but you seem to have a screw loose with your constant stalking of Wizard now F*ck off.

old town robin wrote:

eastern red wrote:
Ritchie to Palace this was always on the cards if the Zaha deal went through- could be big money?

When Zaha signs for United, they are loaning him back to Palace for the rest of the season, If Ritchie was sold to them for the right price, I would hope they recipricate the same courtesy to us.

That would be ideal giving us the money to keep going for promotion plus Ritchie staying in the squad. Face it everyone something will have to give unless a takeover happens miraculously fast.

joey butler wrote:

Di kanny oh wrote:
One question we could face is would we have Andrew Fitton back or administration. Whilst I can appreciate AF made mistakes he was big enough to actually admit this but are there such people out there who do not make mistakes. AF was hell bent on balancing the books but is that really a bad thing for a club at our level. We are getting plenty of glimpses of what its like to over spend with our own embargo and other clubs failures to curb spending like Pompey. I do believe there is a massive gulf in football and the cost of running a successful football club are escalating all the time so just how can a club like Swindon compete with the championship and premiership clubs. Even Div 1 is hard enough and unless we have a sugar daddy with deep pockets as a chairman then we will always need to run the club on the basis of its revenue from gates etc and sorry but 8000 is certainly not enough as quite clearly has been stated. AF made mistakes but then so has Paolo with so many signings and contract pay offs and players that we did not need or were signed in error and as much as I love Paolo and what he has done the fact is he has squandered plenty of money and got away with it under Jeremy Wray. Does this make the situation right I ask. Unless clubs like ours have a big youth system and football academy's of which we don't then we will always have to sell players.

True to your previous form Wiz, you have logged back on under a different identity again, this time the one you previously admitted you were using on The Oxford Mail.

Why not just post as 'Wiz', your comments are very constructive most of the time??

Please cut and paste from the Oxford Mail the thread and quote where I have allegedly admitted to this.

I feel a J.Wray coming on here and a severe threat and will carry out legal action. This stops here right now.

You are totally incorrect, admit it and it stops carry on and I'm in the solicitors no threat, just fact.

the wizard wrote:

joey butler wrote:

Di kanny oh wrote:
One question we could face is would we have Andrew Fitton back or administration. Whilst I can appreciate AF made mistakes he was big enough to actually admit this but are there such people out there who do not make mistakes. AF was hell bent on balancing the books but is that really a bad thing for a club at our level. We are getting plenty of glimpses of what its like to over spend with our own embargo and other clubs failures to curb spending like Pompey. I do believe there is a massive gulf in football and the cost of running a successful football club are escalating all the time so just how can a club like Swindon compete with the championship and premiership clubs. Even Div 1 is hard enough and unless we have a sugar daddy with deep pockets as a chairman then we will always need to run the club on the basis of its revenue from gates etc and sorry but 8000 is certainly not enough as quite clearly has been stated. AF made mistakes but then so has Paolo with so many signings and contract pay offs and players that we did not need or were signed in error and as much as I love Paolo and what he has done the fact is he has squandered plenty of money and got away with it under Jeremy Wray. Does this make the situation right I ask. Unless clubs like ours have a big youth system and football academy's of which we don't then we will always have to sell players.

True to your previous form Wiz, you have logged back on under a different identity again, this time the one you previously admitted you were using on The Oxford Mail.

Why not just post as 'Wiz', your comments are very constructive most of the time??

Please cut and paste from the Oxford Mail the thread and quote where I have allegedly admitted to this.

I feel a J.Wray coming on here and a severe threat and will carry out legal action. This stops here right now.

You are totally incorrect, admit it and it stops carry on and I'm in the solicitors no threat, just fact.

Wiz I would not blame you for taking legal action on this stalker who seems to have a vendetta against you. Joey Butler why don't you just stay away if you can not resist making a right arsse of yourself.

Sorry Wiz,

My post was polite and complimentary to you, why are you so touchy?

joey butler wrote:
Sorry Wiz,

My post was polite and complimentary to you, why are you so touchy?

Not touchy at all. I made a New Year resolution over this. It either stops here or I will take things further. It will be settled once and for all. Your choice, its in your court as to what you do.
I have no further comment to make.

the wizard wrote:

joey butler wrote:
Sorry Wiz,

My post was polite and complimentary to you, why are you so touchy?

Not touchy at all. I made a New Year resolution over this. It either stops here or I will take things further. It will be settled once and for all. Your choice, its in your court as to what you do.
I have no further comment to make.

Very touchy Wiz, or is it Chis and Fips, or is It............?

And I have already reported your 'mate' 'Di Kanny oh' for being abusive to me a few posts back.

You think you own this site, but throw all of your toys out of your pram if people do not agree with you, I think that is a great shame and very sad.

joey butler wrote:

the wizard wrote:

joey butler wrote:
Sorry Wiz,

My post was polite and complimentary to you, why are you so touchy?

Not touchy at all. I made a New Year resolution over this. It either stops here or I will take things further. It will be settled once and for all. Your choice, its in your court as to what you do.
I have no further comment to make.

Very touchy Wiz, or is it Chis and Fips, or is It............?

And I have already reported your 'mate' 'Di Kanny oh' for being abusive to me a few posts back.

You think you own this site, but throw all of your toys out of your pram if people do not agree with you, I think that is a great shame and very sad.

Butler you have been stalking Wizard for the past 18 months I am sure that is a far worse crime than me telling you to Feck off. You have this constant brain malfunction about certain posters ID's when you clearly do not have a clue what you are on about. Now go away and annoy someone else.

JB your investigative journalism is as bad as that reporter from the FL paper - you too have got it wrong .... and Wiz its up to you - but ignoring JB may be very difficult, but possibly the best option he seems to thrive on being antagonistic, and trying to wind people up with outrageous statements and this fruitless, senseless double identity campaign of his.

welcome to the playground again folks

Chish and Fips wrote:
JB your investigative journalism is as bad as that reporter from the FL paper - you too have got it wrong .... and Wiz its up to you - but ignoring JB may be very difficult, but possibly the best option he seems to thrive on being antagonistic, and trying to wind people up with outrageous statements and this fruitless, senseless double identity campaign of his.

Chish,

I haven't uttered one line towards this person in weeks if not months then the old chestnut raises its head once more.
The irony of it all is HE is the multi poster, do I care, NO, not one jot, but, there is only one person here that monitors my every word, and his name has changed recently and guess what, the following post on that thread was from JB asking him why he had changed his name, so obvious.
I couldn't give a flying fig, but I now have a complete dossier going back over 18 months , all printed out.
I have it on authority that cyber stalking is illegal. The only downside is that I could see The Adver making all articles, no comment, and that screws it for all. I may get to the point where I don't care as long as I stop the abuse.