Watkins urges Town fans to relax as talks reach advanced stage (From Swindon Advertiser)

stfc2012 wrote:
Palace in for Ritchie. Source Sky Sports.

stfc2012 wrote:
Palace in for Ritchie. Source Sky Sports.

dreamofacleansheet2 wrote:
Mmm here we go, hang in everyone. As I said last week when Watkins said 7 potential investors. It meant one or two. Now we are down to an official three that is probably one. We only need one but I remain extremely nervous about this.

Dear Mr Watkins

I'll relax when you come out and tell me the ink is dry on the contracts and we know who it is. Until then you're having a laugh. Nothing to relax about but I look forward to be proven wrong.

I look forward to hearing from you as soon as possible...

Yours forever a Town fan

Dreamo

London Red wrote:
BBC have a stiory on this and Matt doesn't seem to bothered by it - says he is flattered but happy at STFC and thinks we can go far especially under PdC
.
Seems PdC is the real key here - if he is staying players like Ritchie are staying!
.

the don69 wrote:

London Red wrote:
BBC have a stiory on this and Matt doesn't seem to bothered by it - says he is flattered but happy at STFC and thinks we can go far especially under PdC
.
Seems PdC is the real key here - if he is staying players like Ritchie are staying!
.

Yes your right LR Paolo is the key!so we don't want Mr Fitton any where near Paolo,cause there chalk and cheese and it would be bye-bye Paolo if he comes back!!!!!!!!!

Old-Stager, Hilperton wrote:

the don69 wrote:

London Red wrote:
BBC have a stiory on this and Matt doesn't seem to bothered by it - says he is flattered but happy at STFC and thinks we can go far especially under PdC
.
Seems PdC is the real key here - if he is staying players like Ritchie are staying!
.

Yes your right LR Paolo is the key!so we don't want Mr Fitton any where near Paolo,cause there chalk and cheese and it would be bye-bye Paolo if he comes back!!!!!!!!!

Surely we would all give Andrew Fitton a very warm welcome back to the County Ground !

SAPFanSTFC wrote:

dreamofacleansheet2 wrote: Mmm here we go, hang in everyone. As I said last week when Watkins said 7 potential investors. It meant one or two. Now we are down to an official three that is probably one. We only need one but I remain extremely nervous about this. Dear Mr Watkins I'll relax when you come out and tell me the ink is dry on the contracts and we know who it is. Until then you're having a laugh. Nothing to relax about but I look forward to be proven wrong. I look forward to hearing from you as soon as possible... Yours forever a Town fan Dreamo

:-) ---- I never trust anything he say's now as he is there for one thing and one thing only..."aren't things wonderful..." and "everything is fine..." that is his job. ---. I'm sure things are progressing but I'll wait to hear see the sold sign put up - and not the one with 'Subject to Contract' tagged across it.

KojaktheWarg wrote:

stfc2012 wrote:
Palace in for Ritchie. Source Sky Sports.

...for £500,000 according to the daily mail. Thats what we turned down from Bournemouth so Palace clearly think we have a fire sale!? -

In todays market that is puny for someone so good. Keep him on!

madterrier wrote:
Well said, redrobin.

Old-Stager, Hilperton wrote:

the don69 wrote:

London Red wrote:
BBC have a stiory on this and Matt doesn't seem to bothered by it - says he is flattered but happy at STFC and thinks we can go far especially under PdC
.
Seems PdC is the real key here - if he is staying players like Ritchie are staying!
.

Yes your right LR Paolo is the key!so we don't want Mr Fitton any where near Paolo,cause there chalk and cheese and it would be bye-bye Paolo if he comes back!!!!!!!!!

Surely we would all give Andrew Fitton a very warm welcome back to the County Ground !

STFC MARLOW wrote:
The first paragraph says Nick Watkins was the founder of Betfair. I thought tht was Andrew Fitton? Was it meant to say Andrew Fitton and he was not willing to put his money into the club? Is Andrew Fitton one of the parties talking to STFC? A bit confused.

I hope whatever happens its going to be the best for STFC.

In Paolo we trust.

old town robin wrote:

Old-Stager, Hilperton wrote:

the don69 wrote:

London Red wrote:
BBC have a stiory on this and Matt doesn't seem to bothered by it - says he is flattered but happy at STFC and thinks we can go far especially under PdC
.
Seems PdC is the real key here - if he is staying players like Ritchie are staying!
.

Yes your right LR Paolo is the key!so we don't want Mr Fitton any where near Paolo,cause there chalk and cheese and it would be bye-bye Paolo if he comes back!!!!!!!!!

Surely we would all give Andrew Fitton a very warm welcome back to the County Ground !

Maybe we would give him a warm welcome, but not as the chairman. Yes, agreed he did a very good job with the financials. But on the footballing side his dithering and indecision caused us problems.

When Malpas was appointed, he said he was the best candidate by far.
He left Wilson to continue for too long because he was basically a YES man that would not stand up to him, in the end Wilson resigned he was not sacked When he brought in Hart to replace him, the job was practically promised to him regardless of results, it was only Fitton's departure and JW interim chairmanship move that prevented that happening..
His dealings in the market was also not that great, he sold key players and up and coming youths to balance the books. He refused to work with agents and how many times did we hear of interest in players that went somewhere else.
He gave up the chair because he wanted to concentrate on his business opportunities in the States, has that changed?

As with everyone else I don't have a problem if Andrew Fitton returned as part of a new concortium, but if he was reappointed as the chairman I don't think it would work out with him and Paolo together, in fact it would probably be worse than it is with SWP, because he is a control freak and I could see him interfering with how Paolo manages the players.

Just my thoughts, I'm sure there will be a few that see it differently.

Med Red wrote:

old town robin wrote:

Old-Stager, Hilperton wrote:

the don69 wrote:

London Red wrote:
BBC have a stiory on this and Matt doesn't seem to bothered by it - says he is flattered but happy at STFC and thinks we can go far especially under PdC
.
Seems PdC is the real key here - if he is staying players like Ritchie are staying!
.

Yes your right LR Paolo is the key!so we don't want Mr Fitton any where near Paolo,cause there chalk and cheese and it would be bye-bye Paolo if he comes back!!!!!!!!!

Surely we would all give Andrew Fitton a very warm welcome back to the County Ground !

Maybe we would give him a warm welcome, but not as the chairman. Yes, agreed he did a very good job with the financials. But on the footballing side his dithering and indecision caused us problems.

When Malpas was appointed, he said he was the best candidate by far.
He left Wilson to continue for too long because he was basically a YES man that would not stand up to him, in the end Wilson resigned he was not sacked When he brought in Hart to replace him, the job was practically promised to him regardless of results, it was only Fitton's departure and JW interim chairmanship move that prevented that happening..
His dealings in the market was also not that great, he sold key players and up and coming youths to balance the books. He refused to work with agents and how many times did we hear of interest in players that went somewhere else.
He gave up the chair because he wanted to concentrate on his business opportunities in the States, has that changed?

As with everyone else I don't have a problem if Andrew Fitton returned as part of a new concortium, but if he was reappointed as the chairman I don't think it would work out with him and Paolo together, in fact it would probably be worse than it is with SWP, because he is a control freak and I could see him interfering with how Paolo manages the players.

Just my thoughts, I'm sure there will be a few that see it differently.

Totally agree! Fitton's re-appointment as Chairman would divide fans. Let's hope it never happens.

stfc2012 wrote:
Ritchie not worth 2m. 1m max at the moment. Not proven at championship level. Stick a sell on of 20 per cent.

stfc2012 wrote:
Ritchie not worth 2m. 1m max at the moment. Not proven at championship level. Stick a sell on of 20 per cent.

STFC MARLOW wrote:
The first paragraph says Nick Watkins was the founder of Betfair. I thought tht was Andrew Fitton? Was it meant to say Andrew Fitton and he was not willing to put his money into the club? Is Andrew Fitton one of the parties talking to STFC? A bit confused.

I hope whatever happens its going to be the best for STFC.

In Paolo we trust.

London Red wrote:
Thats not true AF has pumped money into STFC - he clearly said the other day that the debt is owed to HIM, JW, AB and Sir Arbib
.
SWP also said that a debt/equity swap was being negotiated with AF and JW in STFC Holdings - so that shows they did pump money in
.
Granted AB has put most in but he has not put all in
.
Also I like the way all the AF bashers forget what he was doing as chairman which JW did not have to deal with
.
AF negotiated over our debt with HMRC - apparently saving us a £1m
.
He settled the St Modwin issue
.
He settled the Bill Power issue - saving the club around another £1m!!!!
.
He settled the lawsuit by Diamond Mike!
.
AF did so much good I can't believe it is all forgotten over the sale of Greer!
.
JW is loved as AB gave him the green light to spend, spend, spend
.
Would JW still be as loved if he remained and AB had stopped that flow and we suddenly had to operate on a tight budget and consider balancing the books?
.
What we need is a situation in the middle
.
A more hands off chairman who will let the manager manage
.
But a board who are strong enough to know cost management is important
.
I think a JW / AF combo in reverse would be a very good solution - as long as another board memeber is similar to AF to make sure he is not alone in cost mamagement side
.
Players will need to be sold - but at market value and at the right time - ala Cox
.
I still find it amazing how so many want their cake and eat it - want financial stability and self sufficency - but moan at a chairmen who was delivering that - we recorded a profit under AF and should have been promoted in the same year!!!
.
Lets just foget that though!
.
How long after the sale is it until lots turn on AB?

London Red wrote:
Thats not true AF has pumped money into STFC - he clearly said the other day that the debt is owed to HIM, JW, AB and Sir Arbib
.
SWP also said that a debt/equity swap was being negotiated with AF and JW in STFC Holdings - so that shows they did pump money in
.
Granted AB has put most in but he has not put all in
.
Also I like the way all the AF bashers forget what he was doing as chairman which JW did not have to deal with
.
AF negotiated over our debt with HMRC - apparently saving us a £1m
.
He settled the St Modwin issue
.
He settled the Bill Power issue - saving the club around another £1m!!!!
.
He settled the lawsuit by Diamond Mike!
.
AF did so much good I can't believe it is all forgotten over the sale of Greer!
.
JW is loved as AB gave him the green light to spend, spend, spend
.
Would JW still be as loved if he remained and AB had stopped that flow and we suddenly had to operate on a tight budget and consider balancing the books?
.
What we need is a situation in the middle
.
A more hands off chairman who will let the manager manage
.
But a board who are strong enough to know cost management is important
.
I think a JW / AF combo in reverse would be a very good solution - as long as another board memeber is similar to AF to make sure he is not alone in cost mamagement side
.
Players will need to be sold - but at market value and at the right time - ala Cox
.
I still find it amazing how so many want their cake and eat it - want financial stability and self sufficency - but moan at a chairmen who was delivering that - we recorded a profit under AF and should have been promoted in the same year!!!
.
Lets just foget that though!
.
How long after the sale is it until lots turn on AB?

Angolan Red wrote:
Without Fitton we wouldnt exist and if the price of his return was the departure of Decanio I could live with that. Hopefully West Ham will be relegated and we get compensation from WH for Decanio

London Red wrote:
Thats not true AF has pumped money into STFC - he clearly said the other day that the debt is owed to HIM, JW, AB and Sir Arbib
.
SWP also said that a debt/equity swap was being negotiated with AF and JW in STFC Holdings - so that shows they did pump money in
.
Granted AB has put most in but he has not put all in
.
Also I like the way all the AF bashers forget what he was doing as chairman which JW did not have to deal with
.
AF negotiated over our debt with HMRC - apparently saving us a £1m
.
He settled the St Modwin issue
.
He settled the Bill Power issue - saving the club around another £1m!!!!
.
He settled the lawsuit by Diamond Mike!
.
AF did so much good I can't believe it is all forgotten over the sale of Greer!
.
JW is loved as AB gave him the green light to spend, spend, spend
.
Would JW still be as loved if he remained and AB had stopped that flow and we suddenly had to operate on a tight budget and consider balancing the books?
.
What we need is a situation in the middle
.
A more hands off chairman who will let the manager manage
.
But a board who are strong enough to know cost management is important
.
I think a JW / AF combo in reverse would be a very good solution - as long as another board memeber is similar to AF to make sure he is not alone in cost mamagement side
.
Players will need to be sold - but at market value and at the right time - ala Cox
.
I still find it amazing how so many want their cake and eat it - want financial stability and self sufficency - but moan at a chairmen who was delivering that - we recorded a profit under AF and should have been promoted in the same year!!!
.
Lets just foget that though!
.
How long after the sale is it until lots turn on AB?

Oi Den! wrote:
Superb post LR. Not only did Fitton obviously do a lot of good things for the club, much of the stuff levelled against him is speculation. I think he was very unlucky that Wilson's failure to keep the players motivated at the end of 2009/10 changed the whole dynamic of the club. If it hadn't been for that damp squib of a finish, Greer would never have wanted to leave anyway. Fitton may not have Wray's "man of the people" bearing, but that doesn't make him a bad chairman. As far as I'm concerned, he will always be the man who saved STFC.

Angolan Red wrote:
Without Fitton we wouldnt exist and if the price of his return was the departure of Decanio I could live with that. Hopefully West Ham will be relegated and we get compensation from WH for Decanio

London Red wrote:
Thats not true AF has pumped money into STFC - he clearly said the other day that the debt is owed to HIM, JW, AB and Sir Arbib . SWP also said that a debt/equity swap was being negotiated with AF and JW in STFC Holdings - so that shows they did pump money in . Granted AB has put most in but he has not put all in . Also I like the way all the AF bashers forget what he was doing as chairman which JW did not have to deal with . AF negotiated over our debt with HMRC - apparently saving us a £1m . He settled the St Modwin issue . He settled the Bill Power issue - saving the club around another £1m!!!! . He settled the lawsuit by Diamond Mike! . AF did so much good I can't believe it is all forgotten over the sale of Greer! . JW is loved as AB gave him the green light to spend, spend, spend . Would JW still be as loved if he remained and AB had stopped that flow and we suddenly had to operate on a tight budget and consider balancing the books? . What we need is a situation in the middle . A more hands off chairman who will let the manager manage . But a board who are strong enough to know cost management is important . I think a JW / AF combo in reverse would be a very good solution - as long as another board memeber is similar to AF to make sure he is not alone in cost mamagement side . Players will need to be sold - but at market value and at the right time - ala Cox . I still find it amazing how so many want their cake and eat it - want financial stability and self sufficency - but moan at a chairmen who was delivering that - we recorded a profit under AF and should have been promoted in the same year!!! . Lets just foget that though! . How long after the sale is it until lots turn on AB?

London Red wrote:
Thats not true AF has pumped money into STFC - he clearly said the other day that the debt is owed to HIM, JW, AB and Sir Arbib
.
SWP also said that a debt/equity swap was being negotiated with AF and JW in STFC Holdings - so that shows they did pump money in
.
Granted AB has put most in but he has not put all in
.
Also I like the way all the AF bashers forget what he was doing as chairman which JW did not have to deal with
.
AF negotiated over our debt with HMRC - apparently saving us a £1m
.
He settled the St Modwin issue
.
He settled the Bill Power issue - saving the club around another £1m!!!!
.
He settled the lawsuit by Diamond Mike!
.
AF did so much good I can't believe it is all forgotten over the sale of Greer!
.
JW is loved as AB gave him the green light to spend, spend, spend
.
Would JW still be as loved if he remained and AB had stopped that flow and we suddenly had to operate on a tight budget and consider balancing the books?
.
What we need is a situation in the middle
.
A more hands off chairman who will let the manager manage
.
But a board who are strong enough to know cost management is important
.
I think a JW / AF combo in reverse would be a very good solution - as long as another board memeber is similar to AF to make sure he is not alone in cost mamagement side
.
Players will need to be sold - but at market value and at the right time - ala Cox
.
I still find it amazing how so many want their cake and eat it - want financial stability and self sufficency - but moan at a chairmen who was delivering that - we recorded a profit under AF and should have been promoted in the same year!!!
.
Lets just foget that though!
.
How long after the sale is it until lots turn on AB?

Med Red wrote:

London Red wrote:
Thats not true AF has pumped money into STFC - he clearly said the other day that the debt is owed to HIM, JW, AB and Sir Arbib
.
SWP also said that a debt/equity swap was being negotiated with AF and JW in STFC Holdings - so that shows they did pump money in
.
Granted AB has put most in but he has not put all in
.
Also I like the way all the AF bashers forget what he was doing as chairman which JW did not have to deal with
.
AF negotiated over our debt with HMRC - apparently saving us a £1m
.
He settled the St Modwin issue
.
He settled the Bill Power issue - saving the club around another £1m!!!!
.
He settled the lawsuit by Diamond Mike!
.
AF did so much good I can't believe it is all forgotten over the sale of Greer!
.
JW is loved as AB gave him the green light to spend, spend, spend
.
Would JW still be as loved if he remained and AB had stopped that flow and we suddenly had to operate on a tight budget and consider balancing the books?
.
What we need is a situation in the middle
.
A more hands off chairman who will let the manager manage
.
But a board who are strong enough to know cost management is important
.
I think a JW / AF combo in reverse would be a very good solution - as long as another board memeber is similar to AF to make sure he is not alone in cost mamagement side
.
Players will need to be sold - but at market value and at the right time - ala Cox
.
I still find it amazing how so many want their cake and eat it - want financial stability and self sufficency - but moan at a chairmen who was delivering that - we recorded a profit under AF and should have been promoted in the same year!!!
.
Lets just foget that though!
.
How long after the sale is it until lots turn on AB?

Andrew Black owns 98% of the club, that leaves others owning 2%. I assume Black owns 98% because of the large sum of cash he's pumped in? Whereas Fitton owns a share of the remaining 2% of the club?

Fitton's a facilitator, not someone with a huge wad that wants to invest in the club.

If Fitton can find some wealthy investors to buy the club, great!! As long as he isn't set on becoming Chairman again.

Dover Red wrote:

London Red wrote:
Thats not true AF has pumped money into STFC - he clearly said the other day that the debt is owed to HIM, JW, AB and Sir Arbib
.
SWP also said that a debt/equity swap was being negotiated with AF and JW in STFC Holdings - so that shows they did pump money in
.
Granted AB has put most in but he has not put all in
.
Also I like the way all the AF bashers forget what he was doing as chairman which JW did not have to deal with
.
AF negotiated over our debt with HMRC - apparently saving us a £1m
.
He settled the St Modwin issue
.
He settled the Bill Power issue - saving the club around another £1m!!!!
.
He settled the lawsuit by Diamond Mike!
.
AF did so much good I can't believe it is all forgotten over the sale of Greer!
.
JW is loved as AB gave him the green light to spend, spend, spend
.
Would JW still be as loved if he remained and AB had stopped that flow and we suddenly had to operate on a tight budget and consider balancing the books?
.
What we need is a situation in the middle
.
A more hands off chairman who will let the manager manage
.
But a board who are strong enough to know cost management is important
.
I think a JW / AF combo in reverse would be a very good solution - as long as another board memeber is similar to AF to make sure he is not alone in cost mamagement side
.
Players will need to be sold - but at market value and at the right time - ala Cox
.
I still find it amazing how so many want their cake and eat it - want financial stability and self sufficency - but moan at a chairmen who was delivering that - we recorded a profit under AF and should have been promoted in the same year!!!
.
Lets just foget that though!
.
How long after the sale is it until lots turn on AB?

Right again London, some very short memories on this site as usual.

ciclosporindorset wrote:
I am astounded that the man who helped save stfc is spoken of so badly by one on this site. Without the initial dream team and investment there would be no stfc. Get a grip!

TheDukeOfBanbury wrote:
Lets stop speculating.

If Nick Watkins is saying relax lets relax.
I am not taking sides on this one. We owe lots to both Black and Fitton for different reasons and yes both are human and mistakes have been made.

I cannot thank both enough for saving this club from dying and I have faith in the people running the Club that they will get this resolved.

As at today we have got one of the biggest games of the season coming up this Saturday and that is worthy of our support for now.

I was in Stockport yesterday and they have had no snow and with the temperatures set to rise now the game will more than likely be on.

See you all at Tranmere .......COYR'ds.

TheDukeOfBanbury wrote:
Lets stop speculating.

If Nick Watkins is saying relax lets relax.
I am not taking sides on this one. We owe lots to both Black and Fitton for different reasons and yes both are human and mistakes have been made.

I cannot thank both enough for saving this club from dying and I have faith in the people running the Club that they will get this resolved.

As at today we have got one of the biggest games of the season coming up this Saturday and that is worthy of our support for now.

I was in Stockport yesterday and they have had no snow and with the temperatures set to rise now the game will more than likely be on.

See you all at Tranmere .......COYR'ds.

mike1990 wrote:

ciclosporindorset wrote:
I am astounded that the man who helped save stfc is spoken of so badly by one on this site. Without the initial dream team and investment there would be no stfc. Get a grip!

No is speaking badly of him dorset,but lets be honest,he wasn't very good when it came to managers and players,if he keeps to the business fine,but keep out of team and managers affairs.

old town robin wrote:

London Red wrote:
Thats not true AF has pumped money into STFC - he clearly said the other day that the debt is owed to HIM, JW, AB and Sir Arbib
.
SWP also said that a debt/equity swap was being negotiated with AF and JW in STFC Holdings - so that shows they did pump money in
.
Granted AB has put most in but he has not put all in
.
Also I like the way all the AF bashers forget what he was doing as chairman which JW did not have to deal with
.
AF negotiated over our debt with HMRC - apparently saving us a £1m
.
He settled the St Modwin issue
.
He settled the Bill Power issue - saving the club around another £1m!!!!
.
He settled the lawsuit by Diamond Mike!
.
AF did so much good I can't believe it is all forgotten over the sale of Greer!
.
JW is loved as AB gave him the green light to spend, spend, spend
.
Would JW still be as loved if he remained and AB had stopped that flow and we suddenly had to operate on a tight budget and consider balancing the books?
.
What we need is a situation in the middle
.
A more hands off chairman who will let the manager manage
.
But a board who are strong enough to know cost management is important
.
I think a JW / AF combo in reverse would be a very good solution - as long as another board memeber is similar to AF to make sure he is not alone in cost mamagement side
.
Players will need to be sold - but at market value and at the right time - ala Cox
.
I still find it amazing how so many want their cake and eat it - want financial stability and self sufficency - but moan at a chairmen who was delivering that - we recorded a profit under AF and should have been promoted in the same year!!!
.
Lets just foget that though!
.
How long after the sale is it until lots turn on AB?

I guess you were replying to Med Red that AFdoes have shares in STFC which is true, in fairness I think he was making the point to STFC Marlow that AB is the majority shareholder and not AF.

As a true accountant, you have put up a very positive slant that you think AF is the right man to take us forward because there is nothing wrong with selling assets to balance the books. Sorry to disagree, but IMO sometimes you have to speculate to accumulate and this is our window of opportunity to make the championship, any negativity now, like selling Ritchie or not holding on to Holland and martin would be a disaster.

I don't think anyone has forgotten the good work done by AF when he came in. But that is now history, we are debating what is best for the club going forward in 2013 ,not 2009. Our circumstances are far different from what they were 4 years ago.

With regards to your comment addressed to the "AF bashers" I haven't read anywhere on the forum that has said AF is a bad person or bad business person. I thought we were debating as to whether we would like to see him as the chairman again. Opinions will be devided and there will be some merit from both sides, but please let us not go down that road that AF is god and nobody should ever criticise him for errors of judgement. If he does take the reins again, he wouldn't be my first choice, but fine, I would still support him and hope he just keeps out of the footballing side and lets Paolo get on with what he is paid to do.

the don69 wrote:

TheDukeOfBanbury wrote:
Lets stop speculating.

If Nick Watkins is saying relax lets relax.
I am not taking sides on this one. We owe lots to both Black and Fitton for different reasons and yes both are human and mistakes have been made.

I cannot thank both enough for saving this club from dying and I have faith in the people running the Club that they will get this resolved.

As at today we have got one of the biggest games of the season coming up this Saturday and that is worthy of our support for now.

I was in Stockport yesterday and they have had no snow and with the temperatures set to rise now the game will more than likely be on.

See you all at Tranmere .......COYR'ds.

Back to Football,Heavy Snow Forecast Friday night for Merseyside,I'm still thinking about whether to go or not to go,think we'll decide early Saturday morning,after checking out the state of play!!!!!!!!!!

Oi Den! wrote:

old town robin wrote:

London Red wrote:
Thats not true AF has pumped money into STFC - he clearly said the other day that the debt is owed to HIM, JW, AB and Sir Arbib
.
SWP also said that a debt/equity swap was being negotiated with AF and JW in STFC Holdings - so that shows they did pump money in
.
Granted AB has put most in but he has not put all in
.
Also I like the way all the AF bashers forget what he was doing as chairman which JW did not have to deal with
.
AF negotiated over our debt with HMRC - apparently saving us a £1m
.
He settled the St Modwin issue
.
He settled the Bill Power issue - saving the club around another £1m!!!!
.
He settled the lawsuit by Diamond Mike!
.
AF did so much good I can't believe it is all forgotten over the sale of Greer!
.
JW is loved as AB gave him the green light to spend, spend, spend
.
Would JW still be as loved if he remained and AB had stopped that flow and we suddenly had to operate on a tight budget and consider balancing the books?
.
What we need is a situation in the middle
.
A more hands off chairman who will let the manager manage
.
But a board who are strong enough to know cost management is important
.
I think a JW / AF combo in reverse would be a very good solution - as long as another board memeber is similar to AF to make sure he is not alone in cost mamagement side
.
Players will need to be sold - but at market value and at the right time - ala Cox
.
I still find it amazing how so many want their cake and eat it - want financial stability and self sufficency - but moan at a chairmen who was delivering that - we recorded a profit under AF and should have been promoted in the same year!!!
.
Lets just foget that though!
.
How long after the sale is it until lots turn on AB?

I guess you were replying to Med Red that AFdoes have shares in STFC which is true, in fairness I think he was making the point to STFC Marlow that AB is the majority shareholder and not AF.

As a true accountant, you have put up a very positive slant that you think AF is the right man to take us forward because there is nothing wrong with selling assets to balance the books. Sorry to disagree, but IMO sometimes you have to speculate to accumulate and this is our window of opportunity to make the championship, any negativity now, like selling Ritchie or not holding on to Holland and martin would be a disaster.

I don't think anyone has forgotten the good work done by AF when he came in. But that is now history, we are debating what is best for the club going forward in 2013 ,not 2009. Our circumstances are far different from what they were 4 years ago.

With regards to your comment addressed to the "AF bashers" I haven't read anywhere on the forum that has said AF is a bad person or bad business person. I thought we were debating as to whether we would like to see him as the chairman again. Opinions will be devided and there will be some merit from both sides, but please let us not go down that road that AF is god and nobody should ever criticise him for errors of judgement. If he does take the reins again, he wouldn't be my first choice, but fine, I would still support him and hope he just keeps out of the footballing side and lets Paolo get on with what he is paid to do.

Fair enough OTR, but does anyone really know what Fitton's errors of judgment were? It's very easy for some people to say in hindsight that managerial appointments were errors but there is an awful lot of luck involved in whether a manager clicks at a club or not. Some have become roaring successes at some clubs and total failures at others. Some previously untried managers have proved they are not cut out for it, while others have taken to it like a duck to water. Wray is applauded for his appointment of PDC, but that could easily have gone t1ts up. Some might even say it did for a while.
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Fitton was widely criticised by many for allowing Wilson to overstay his welcome, but my information is that he wanted him sacked much earlier and was outvoted in the boardroom, the win against Sheffield Wednesday in December 2010 being the thing that eventually got Wilson off the hook for a while.
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And transfer dealings? Paynter did a dirty deal with Leeds, Greer knew the grass was greener at Brighton and Austin had had enough of the complete mess that the team had become. In my view, they were the three things that sealed our relegation - and I don't blame Fitton for any of them
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I find it hard to see how we can know for sure how well a chairman is doing, and I certainly don't think the case against Fitton is proved.

old town robin wrote:

the don69 wrote:

TheDukeOfBanbury wrote:
Lets stop speculating.

If Nick Watkins is saying relax lets relax.
I am not taking sides on this one. We owe lots to both Black and Fitton for different reasons and yes both are human and mistakes have been made.

I cannot thank both enough for saving this club from dying and I have faith in the people running the Club that they will get this resolved.

As at today we have got one of the biggest games of the season coming up this Saturday and that is worthy of our support for now.

I was in Stockport yesterday and they have had no snow and with the temperatures set to rise now the game will more than likely be on.

See you all at Tranmere .......COYR'ds.

Back to Football,Heavy Snow Forecast Friday night for Merseyside,I'm still thinking about whether to go or not to go,think we'll decide early Saturday morning,after checking out the state of play!!!!!!!!!!

All being well, I'll be there for Friday night, so if it does snow, I really hope the paddock boys turn out in their numbers like our fans did to get the game on. I would think tranmere FC would not want to see this game postponed anymore than we do.

Where's that weatherman Loyal when you want him, not a peep, but he's usually pretty accurate on his forecast though.

stfc2012 wrote:
Ritchie not worth 2m. 1m max at the moment. Not proven at championship level. Stick a sell on of 20 per cent.

mike1990 wrote:

ciclosporindorset wrote: I am astounded that the man who helped save stfc is spoken of so badly by one on this site. Without the initial dream team and investment there would be no stfc. Get a grip!

No is speaking badly of him dorset,but lets be honest,he wasn't very good when it came to managers and players,if he keeps to the business fine,but keep out of team and managers affairs.

old town robin wrote:

the don69 wrote:

TheDukeOfBanbury wrote:
Lets stop speculating.

If Nick Watkins is saying relax lets relax.
I am not taking sides on this one. We owe lots to both Black and Fitton for different reasons and yes both are human and mistakes have been made.

I cannot thank both enough for saving this club from dying and I have faith in the people running the Club that they will get this resolved.

As at today we have got one of the biggest games of the season coming up this Saturday and that is worthy of our support for now.

I was in Stockport yesterday and they have had no snow and with the temperatures set to rise now the game will more than likely be on.

See you all at Tranmere .......COYR'ds.

Back to Football,Heavy Snow Forecast Friday night for Merseyside,I'm still thinking about whether to go or not to go,think we'll decide early Saturday morning,after checking out the state of play!!!!!!!!!!

All being well, I'll be there for Friday night, so if it does snow, I really hope the paddock boys turn out in their numbers like our fans did to get the game on. I would think tranmere FC would not want to see this game postponed anymore than we do.

Where's that weatherman Loyal when you want him, not a peep, but he's usually pretty accurate on his forecast though.

grove red wrote:
Ritchie is worth what we can get for him if pdc says its 2 million then so be it. Zaha is not worth 10 million he's not played in the prem but if that's palaces price and they stick by it fair play. The problem in the past we have been giving players away on the cheap ie Austin cox. Lets stick to our guns for a change its 2million with a sell on clause. Coyr.

Angolan Red wrote:
Without Fitton we wouldnt exist and if the price of his return was the departure of Decanio I could live with that. Hopefully West Ham will be relegated and we get compensation from WH for Decanio

redrobin-69 wrote:

SAPFanSTFC wrote:

dreamofacleansheet2 wrote: Mmm here we go, hang in everyone. As I said last week when Watkins said 7 potential investors. It meant one or two. Now we are down to an official three that is probably one. We only need one but I remain extremely nervous about this. Dear Mr Watkins I'll relax when you come out and tell me the ink is dry on the contracts and we know who it is. Until then you're having a laugh. Nothing to relax about but I look forward to be proven wrong. I look forward to hearing from you as soon as possible... Yours forever a Town fan Dreamo

:-) ---- I never trust anything he say's now as he is there for one thing and one thing only..."aren't things wonderful..." and "everything is fine..." that is his job. ---. I'm sure things are progressing but I'll wait to hear see the sold sign put up - and not the one with 'Subject to Contract' tagged across it.

You two need to start giving this man some serious credit. He has been the heart of the Swindon body these past five years, never put a foot wrong and only ever delivered on any word he has said. He is one of the most genuine men to walk this town too: always has time to chat to fans on match day and gauge their feelings and has been the head behind all the positive change this club has seen recently. Yes, the men with the money get the praise because ultimately they fund it behind this man is the guy who has to come up with the ideas, ask for the money and then make sure it happens successfully. It is the reassurance that the club is in good hands day to day that has led to the likes of Black being willing to pump in 10 million – ultimately, the thanks needs to go to Watkins for managing the place day in day out and slogging away out of the spotlightwithout receiving much praise.

redrobin-69 wrote:

madterrier wrote:
Well said, redrobin.

Thanks mate: just think it's important we take some time to praise these guys and in particukar Watkins as opposed to always jumping to the negatives. A lot of hard work goes unnoticed

EastleazeRed wrote:

mike1990 wrote:

ciclosporindorset wrote:
I am astounded that the man who helped save stfc is spoken of so badly by one on this site. Without the initial dream team and investment there would be no stfc. Get a grip!

No is speaking badly of him dorset,but lets be honest,he wasn't very good when it came to managers and players,if he keeps to the business fine,but keep out of team and managers affairs.

If Fitton was still in charge , we would still be knocking about in mid div league 2 , and have paul trollop as manager .

stfc2012 wrote:
Ritchie not worth 2m. 1m max at the moment. Not proven at championship level. Stick a sell on of 20 per cent.

STFC Higworth wrote:

mike1990 wrote:

ciclosporindorset wrote: I am astounded that the man who helped save stfc is spoken of so badly by one on this site. Without the initial dream team and investment there would be no stfc. Get a grip!

No is speaking badly of him dorset,but lets be honest,he wasn't very good when it came to managers and players,if he keeps to the business fine,but keep out of team and managers affairs.

LOL he was awful got in Wilson who took us to Wembley and Austin who was one of the best strikers we had over the last 10 years. Cox being the best!!!! So lets not go down that route.

Get a grip,

London Red wrote:
Malpas was not selected over Holloway - that was Wilson
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The reason for it was apparently they felt they would not be able to work together - which is surely fair enough as most on here are saying AF and PdC couldn't work together!
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Malpas could have been the next Bothroyd at Watford, Adkins at Scunthorpe, McDermott at Reading, Clarke at WBA or even that translator bloke who took over at Porto a while back
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Yes it turned out he was actually like Brian Kidd or John Gorman - an excellent number 2 not a manager
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However, you never know until you give them a shot
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As Den said PdC could have been a disater - lots expected him to be!
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JW struck gold - unfortunaetly AF struck Fools Gold - but I admire him just the same for giving someone a chance
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Oh I alsso forgot to mention in what AF did was make football affordable for the people!
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Remember it was AF who slashed ST prices and had them as low as £199 for potential Champuionship football!
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It is only mow they have returned to levels last seen under Andy King!
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Hey lets forget that too as he sold Greer!

mike1990 wrote:

London Red wrote:
Malpas was not selected over Holloway - that was Wilson
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The reason for it was apparently they felt they would not be able to work together - which is surely fair enough as most on here are saying AF and PdC couldn't work together!
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Malpas could have been the next Bothroyd at Watford, Adkins at Scunthorpe, McDermott at Reading, Clarke at WBA or even that translator bloke who took over at Porto a while back
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Yes it turned out he was actually like Brian Kidd or John Gorman - an excellent number 2 not a manager
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However, you never know until you give them a shot
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As Den said PdC could have been a disater - lots expected him to be!
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JW struck gold - unfortunaetly AF struck Fools Gold - but I admire him just the same for giving someone a chance
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Oh I alsso forgot to mention in what AF did was make football affordable for the people!
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Remember it was AF who slashed ST prices and had them as low as £199 for potential Champuionship football!
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It is only mow they have returned to levels last seen under Andy King!
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Hey lets forget that too as he sold Greer!

You got it in one London Red,Fitton couldn't work with Hollaway,because he likes yes men,PDC would be gone 5 minutes after Fitton was back in charge.

SAPFanSTFC wrote:

redrobin-69 wrote:

madterrier wrote:
Well said, redrobin.

Thanks mate: just think it's important we take some time to praise these guys and in particukar Watkins as opposed to always jumping to the negatives. A lot of hard work goes unnoticed

Have you ever complained to him about something!!??
.....
anyway - as to Madterrier's response:
Zzzzzzzzz....always like to be on the devil's advocate side eh!?...enjoy your life.
....
I'm sure you remind me of someone else you know!!? :-)

Angolan Red wrote:
Without Fitton we wouldnt exist and if the price of his return was the departure of Decanio I could live with that. Hopefully West Ham will be relegated and we get compensation from WH for Decanio

SAPFanSTFC wrote:

redrobin-69 wrote:

madterrier wrote:
Well said, redrobin.

Thanks mate: just think it's important we take some time to praise these guys and in particukar Watkins as opposed to always jumping to the negatives. A lot of hard work goes unnoticed

Have you ever complained to him about something!!??
.....
anyway - as to Madterrier's response:
Zzzzzzzzz....always like to be on the devil's advocate side eh!?...enjoy your life.
....
I'm sure you remind me of someone else you know!!? :-)

Old-Stager, Hilperton wrote:

EastleazeRed wrote:

mike1990 wrote:

ciclosporindorset wrote:
I am astounded that the man who helped save stfc is spoken of so badly by one on this site. Without the initial dream team and investment there would be no stfc. Get a grip!

No is speaking badly of him dorset,but lets be honest,he wasn't very good when it came to managers and players,if he keeps to the business fine,but keep out of team and managers affairs.

If Fitton was still in charge , we would still be knocking about in mid div league 2 , and have paul trollop as manager .

Now now Eastleaze....., I know that you are deliberatly trying to provoke me.
Just think what has happened to Bristol Rovers after they sacked Paul Trollope.

ShearerShearer wrote:
No need to panic, let's wait and see what the deal is.

On another subject just watched the "Hazard incident".

Is the ball boy's surname Suarez?

Quite clearly he kicks under his body at the ball, sending off was a joke (an no I'm not a Chelski fan, Im quite happy to see Swansea v Bradford in the final).

eastmidsred wrote:
All the speculation might be fun or just reflect our anxiety. However, I would just say this about Jeremy Wray - he let the situation get out of control and therefore is partly responsible for the financial mess despite all the good things which he did, especially bringing Paolo in. I'm not so keen to bring back JW. The new owners will need very deep pockets to establish and sustain us as a Championship side and also be able to work with PdC while keeping things under control. We don't want a repeat in two years time.

KojaktheWarg wrote:

ShearerShearer wrote:
No need to panic, let's wait and see what the deal is.

On another subject just watched the "Hazard incident".

Is the ball boy's surname Suarez?

Quite clearly he kicks under his body at the ball, sending off was a joke (an no I'm not a Chelski fan, Im quite happy to see Swansea v Bradford in the final).

I recall a not too disimilar incident at the OUFC v STFC game. I think Ritchie got booked. The ball boy must be related to the Swansea one. Really annoys me when a club runs the ball boys so unprofessionally. I know its not wimbledon but some discipline at least please!!!

London Red wrote:
Med/Don – your comments show that your research is on par with the FL paper!
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Have you not even bothered to look at the accounts? That alone before listening to comments made by SWP etc show you are talking nonsense!
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Sir Arbib has an interest free loan direct with the club for £1m – so that’s 10% of the total £10m owed at that point in time there and then! Some what more than 2%
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Ownership and debt are 2 different things – the ownership is in relation to the shares – which STFC Holdings own 98% of the shares in STFC of which I believe (can not confirm for sure) is now owned 100% by AB – thus the share shuffle Fitton was referring to and also is how AB has total control!
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The debt which stood at just under £10m in the last set of accounts – which must now have grown to £13m reported – was dominated by amounts owed to STFC Holdings (c£7.5m)
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SWP clearly said this was primarily funded by a number of loans made by the Directors – and practically named Fitton and Wray! (Both have also confirmed debt is owed to them this week)
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Now do you honestly think AB/SWP would be talking about a needing debt/equity swap in STFC Holdings if AF and JW only had loans of £150k (2% of £7.5m) – somehow I don’t think so!
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Yes AB has most of that “amounts owed to ultimate parent company” owed to him and also owns 98% of the shares meaning any new losses goes into his section (probably the additional £3m growth seen) – but that doesn’t mean AF and JW did not invested a significant amount of money into buying STFC when the consortium took over and cleared our debts
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The fact they have said they have the power to help a sale and the discussion of equity swap clearly suggests their debt is 7 figures!

OTR – you must have skipped a fair few posts if you have not seen any AF bashers – Med/Don are 2 clear ones!
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Also you might want to re-read my view point on player sales to balance the books- I have never taken a pure accountant view – just said it is vital not just to STFC but most clubs that this forms a section of income generated – all clubs would want to make net transfer income
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My view is and always has been you make an initial outlay – the “speculate to accumulate” – which we have done already! - but then use the proceeds from that initial speculation to continue that going
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Cox was first speculation - Austin came from his sale – then from his we got Ritchie, Flint and probably Wes, Collins and Troy – if Ritchie is next to go then hopefully we will then land X, Y and Z to keep it going with another going after that and A,B and C coming in
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I have always said profits should be split – so using Ritchie as an example (only in the summer if we don’t go up) if he goes for £2m – we use £1m to help balance the books (66% of typical £1.5m loss) and £1m to buy the next 2 or 3 future prospects to push the club forward

old town robin wrote:

KojaktheWarg wrote:

ShearerShearer wrote:
No need to panic, let's wait and see what the deal is.

On another subject just watched the "Hazard incident".

Is the ball boy's surname Suarez?

Quite clearly he kicks under his body at the ball, sending off was a joke (an no I'm not a Chelski fan, Im quite happy to see Swansea v Bradford in the final).

I recall a not too disimilar incident at the OUFC v STFC game. I think Ritchie got booked. The ball boy must be related to the Swansea one. Really annoys me when a club runs the ball boys so unprofessionally. I know its not wimbledon but some discipline at least please!!!

I saw a similar incident on TV a month or two back for a blades games at home. Wilson brushed it off but again the player got the stick for swearing and the ball boy got the sympathy.

I would hope none of our ball boys behave in such an unsporting manner. A fine on the club concerned and a ban on any ballboy behaving in such away will quickly bring these unsavioury acts to book.

Oi Den! wrote:
LR, you're on good form today. Another excellent post.
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Don, I don't think your mention of Ian Holloway supports your case. How do you know he would have been any better than the others you mention? I believe he was sacked by Bristol Rovers, QPR and Leicester. Sometimes manager and club fit neatly together, as Holloway clearly did at Plymouth and Blackpool. My feeling is that he wouldn't have been right for us. But who knows? Sometimes chairmen get lucky, sometimes they don't.

old town robin wrote:

KojaktheWarg wrote:

ShearerShearer wrote:
No need to panic, let's wait and see what the deal is.

On another subject just watched the "Hazard incident".

Is the ball boy's surname Suarez?

Quite clearly he kicks under his body at the ball, sending off was a joke (an no I'm not a Chelski fan, Im quite happy to see Swansea v Bradford in the final).

I recall a not too disimilar incident at the OUFC v STFC game. I think Ritchie got booked. The ball boy must be related to the Swansea one. Really annoys me when a club runs the ball boys so unprofessionally. I know its not wimbledon but some discipline at least please!!!

I saw a similar incident on TV a month or two back for a blades games at home. Wilson brushed it off but again the player got the stick for swearing and the ball boy got the sympathy.

I would hope none of our ball boys behave in such an unsporting manner. A fine on the club concerned and a ban on any ballboy behaving in such away will quickly bring these unsavioury acts to book.

the don69 wrote:

Oi Den! wrote:
LR, you're on good form today. Another excellent post.
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Don, I don't think your mention of Ian Holloway supports your case. How do you know he would have been any better than the others you mention? I believe he was sacked by Bristol Rovers, QPR and Leicester. Sometimes manager and club fit neatly together, as Holloway clearly did at Plymouth and Blackpool. My feeling is that he wouldn't have been right for us. But who knows? Sometimes chairmen get lucky, sometimes they don't.

We'll just have to agree to disagree on Fitton!football is a game of opinions and in my opinion Fitton had his chance and failed!it will be Arrivederci Paolo,if there's a return of Fitton.the exciting Paolo express will be derailed and back to the dark ages of the likes of Malpas,Wilson and the unlucky Harte what a depressing thought!!!!!

Stilloyal wrote:
I think the forcast up there for tomorrow and Saturday is wet snow turning to rain and above freezing.


Fitton helped save the club with his business accumen and I'm grateful for that. However he had his weaknesses when it came to other areas.


Black owns 98 % of the club but Fitton doesn't own the other 2%, that is shared between him , me and a few hundred others. Fitton maybe owns up to 1%.
Can't wait to find out who the new owners will be and I have no objection to Fitton being part of that as long as he's not chairman.

Oi Den! wrote:

old town robin wrote:

KojaktheWarg wrote:

ShearerShearer wrote:
No need to panic, let's wait and see what the deal is.

On another subject just watched the "Hazard incident".

Is the ball boy's surname Suarez?

Quite clearly he kicks under his body at the ball, sending off was a joke (an no I'm not a Chelski fan, Im quite happy to see Swansea v Bradford in the final).

I recall a not too disimilar incident at the OUFC v STFC game. I think Ritchie got booked. The ball boy must be related to the Swansea one. Really annoys me when a club runs the ball boys so unprofessionally. I know its not wimbledon but some discipline at least please!!!

I saw a similar incident on TV a month or two back for a blades games at home. Wilson brushed it off but again the player got the stick for swearing and the ball boy got the sympathy.

I would hope none of our ball boys behave in such an unsporting manner. A fine on the club concerned and a ban on any ballboy behaving in such away will quickly bring these unsavioury acts to book.

Agree OTR. Hoddle said last night that clubs instruct their ball boys to behave like that. If so, it's appalling. It would soon stop if refs were told to add at least a minute every time they see a ball boy time wasting. I hear the Swansea ball boy is being nominated for an Oscar. The player should have known better, but all he seemed to do was toe-poke the ball from under the kid (er, kid? apparently he's 17).

The Jockster wrote:

London Red wrote:
Med/Don – your comments show that your research is on par with the FL paper!
.
Have you not even bothered to look at the accounts? That alone before listening to comments made by SWP etc show you are talking nonsense!
.
Sir Arbib has an interest free loan direct with the club for £1m – so that’s 10% of the total £10m owed at that point in time there and then! Some what more than 2%
.
Ownership and debt are 2 different things – the ownership is in relation to the shares – which STFC Holdings own 98% of the shares in STFC of which I believe (can not confirm for sure) is now owned 100% by AB – thus the share shuffle Fitton was referring to and also is how AB has total control!
.
The debt which stood at just under £10m in the last set of accounts – which must now have grown to £13m reported – was dominated by amounts owed to STFC Holdings (c£7.5m)
.
SWP clearly said this was primarily funded by a number of loans made by the Directors – and practically named Fitton and Wray! (Both have also confirmed debt is owed to them this week)
.
Now do you honestly think AB/SWP would be talking about a needing debt/equity swap in STFC Holdings if AF and JW only had loans of £150k (2% of £7.5m) – somehow I don’t think so!
.
Yes AB has most of that “amounts owed to ultimate parent company” owed to him and also owns 98% of the shares meaning any new losses goes into his section (probably the additional £3m growth seen) – but that doesn’t mean AF and JW did not invested a significant amount of money into buying STFC when the consortium took over and cleared our debts
.
The fact they have said they have the power to help a sale and the discussion of equity swap clearly suggests their debt is 7 figures!

OTR – you must have skipped a fair few posts if you have not seen any AF bashers – Med/Don are 2 clear ones!
.
Also you might want to re-read my view point on player sales to balance the books- I have never taken a pure accountant view – just said it is vital not just to STFC but most clubs that this forms a section of income generated – all clubs would want to make net transfer income
.
My view is and always has been you make an initial outlay – the “speculate to accumulate” – which we have done already! - but then use the proceeds from that initial speculation to continue that going
.
Cox was first speculation - Austin came from his sale – then from his we got Ritchie, Flint and probably Wes, Collins and Troy – if Ritchie is next to go then hopefully we will then land X, Y and Z to keep it going with another going after that and A,B and C coming in
.
I have always said profits should be split – so using Ritchie as an example (only in the summer if we don’t go up) if he goes for £2m – we use £1m to help balance the books (66% of typical £1.5m loss) and £1m to buy the next 2 or 3 future prospects to push the club forward

Brilliant LR - Don & Med - Mama Mia you don't a messa wid the Luigi Risotto the numbers man working da rackets for the Mafioso lol!

I've disagreed with LR on many occasions over views on the team's performance and what I consider to be his somewhat myopic defence of Pdc on occasions ala he is god he is always right, but by golly gosh I ain't going to dispute the boy's numbers game - I didn't tongue in cheek christen him Statto for nothing on here.

Some really good stuff from you on here today LR -well done.

The Jockster wrote:
SAPFanSTFC wrote:

redrobin-69 wrote:

madterrier wrote:
Well said, redrobin.
Thanks mate: just think it's important we take some time to praise these guys and in particukar Watkins as opposed to always jumping to the negatives. A lot of hard work goes unnoticedHave you ever complained to him about something!!??
.....
anyway - as to Madterrier's response:
Zzzzzzzzz....always like to be on the devil's advocate side eh!?...enjoy your life.
....
I'm sure you remind me of someone else you know!!? :-)SAP mind if I ask why you needed to fire a rather nasty cheap shot across Terrier's bows?

I really don't understand your angle here, in your 4.03 post you also praise NW which is only the same as what Terrier is doing in endorsing Red Robins's comments isn't it -or am I missing something?”

Steve. Brentford wrote:

The Jockster wrote:
SAPFanSTFC wrote:

redrobin-69 wrote:

madterrier wrote:
Well said, redrobin.
Thanks mate: just think it's important we take some time to praise these guys and in particukar Watkins as opposed to always jumping to the negatives. A lot of hard work goes unnoticedHave you ever complained to him about something!!??
.....
anyway - as to Madterrier's response:
Zzzzzzzzz....always like to be on the devil's advocate side eh!?...enjoy your life.
....
I'm sure you remind me of someone else you know!!? :-)SAP mind if I ask why you needed to fire a rather nasty cheap shot across Terrier's bows?

I really don't understand your angle here, in your 4.03 post you also praise NW which is only the same as what Terrier is doing in endorsing Red Robins's comments isn't it -or am I missing something?”

I've read through most of this and felt that this is the post i`d like to respond to that`s not rubbishing others opinion`s but like Malkster i also don't get the uncalled for negative response to Terriers post from Sap who seams to of either misread MT`s post or has lost the plot,i have a busy life but i eagerly await a explanation.

The Jockster wrote:

SAPFanSTFC wrote:

redrobin-69 wrote:

madterrier wrote:
Well said, redrobin.

Thanks mate: just think it's important we take some time to praise these guys and in particukar Watkins as opposed to always jumping to the negatives. A lot of hard work goes unnoticed

Have you ever complained to him about something!!??
.....
anyway - as to Madterrier's response:
Zzzzzzzzz....always like to be on the devil's advocate side eh!?...enjoy your life.
....
I'm sure you remind me of someone else you know!!? :-)

SAP mind if I ask why you needed to fire a rather nasty cheap shot across Terrier's bows?

I really don't understand your angle here, in your 4.03 post you also praise NW which is only the same as what Terrier is doing in endorsing Red Robins's comments isn't it -or am I missing something?

SAPFanSTFC wrote:

The Jockster wrote:

SAPFanSTFC wrote:

redrobin-69 wrote:

madterrier wrote: Well said, redrobin.

Thanks mate: just think it's important we take some time to praise these guys and in particukar Watkins as opposed to always jumping to the negatives. A lot of hard work goes unnoticed

Have you ever complained to him about something!!?? ..... anyway - as to Madterrier's response: Zzzzzzzzz....always like to be on the devil's advocate side eh!?...enjoy your life. .... I'm sure you remind me of someone else you know!!? :-)

SAP mind if I ask why you needed to fire a rather nasty cheap shot across Terrier's bows? I really don't understand your angle here, in your 4.03 post you also praise NW which is only the same as what Terrier is doing in endorsing Red Robins's comments isn't it -or am I missing something?

Now't to do with you therefore why not leave people to discuss between them. .. If you don't understand then you've obviously missed something from prior and not read things properly in this thread. .. Lets not go back to your old ways of getting involved in things that don't involve you and making comments based on half the facts or half the history eh!?

London Red wrote:
Don - read the PdC Fitton article and you will see in black and white how close I was!!!!!!!
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No manipulation - just actually taking time to read information given rather than taking the FL paper apology as gospel!