Swindon Town striker closing in on Torquay switch (From Swindon Advertiser)

This has been on the cards for quite a while now... will he, wont he...

I will be sad to see Billie go, but if he feels its the right thing to further his career then good for him, all the best to him.

At least his move wont come back to haunt us, (well not in the league) for some years to come, as The Gulls try to play catch-up with us.

Thanks for your service and that wonder goal straight from the trow-in against Daggers.

Good luck to him

He wanted a guaranteed starting place each week. Torquay should be able to provide that.

He is a talented you guy, no question, but he simply wasn't experienced, prolific or strong enough to lead the towns challenge for back to back promotion.

Probably the best for all parties being realistic. Hopefully there will be a sell on clause agreed as he clearly has talent and you never know.

I'd be happy for him to for free, but with a 50% sell on clause....

I agree I hope this negotiating over £30k is not at the expense of a sell-on or buy-back clause
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As if he does fulfill his potential and secures a big money move for L2 (£500-750k) a decent sell on of 20-25% would be worth £100-175k (a tad more than £30k)
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As poor as Tribunals are at setting initial fees they do normally add in sell-ons to ensure the players current club benefit if they really are a gem
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Still not convinced it is the best move for him - yes he will get more game time now
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But - Torquay are not going to challenge next year - they have lost 2 of their stars and fully expect the 3rd to go

So is playing for a mid table L2 club better than learning your trade at a forward moving club?
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Guess we will see in 2015 where he is

Real shame, I think Bodin was short changed last season and would have preferred seeing him given more game time than Murray.
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Best of luck Billy.

Initially I was all for Billy Bodin, however as time has flowed I have become confused by some of his decisions.

Leaving what is now a League One club with very potent desires to become a Championship club in 12 months, for a much smaller club in League Two hardly portrays ambition to me, even if he will get more time out on the turf.
He would have learned more from seasoned players here in training and then perhaps a loan out at a higher level, rather than remaining in L2. I wish him luck, but I strongly question his decision making ability. The grass always looks greener on the other side.

Rebel_phish wrote:
This has been on the cards for quite a while now... will he, wont he...

I will be sad to see Billie go, but if he feels its the right thing to further his career then good for him, all the best to him.

At least his move wont come back to haunt us, (well not in the league) for some years to come, as The Gulls try to play catch-up with us.

Thanks for your service and that wonder goal straight from the trow-in against Daggers.

Not against Crawley Rebel?

I don't think he was short changed last year - he was in his first real season as a pro and was not ready to challenge for a starting spot - hardly anyone said they wanted him as our main striker last pre-season or August!
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He was therefore, loaned out to gain experince - like lots of young players are - and it worked he came back better
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I agree with Wiz as I have said above strange move and doesn't smack ambition
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I think he should have gone into PdC office and said I don't want to go out on loan this year I want to be part of the main group and fight for a place - can you guarantee me that
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The answer probably would have been yes - he could have then signed and developed
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If it had been no - then he would have been justifed in leaving as he was obviously not in our plans full stop

CraigClark wrote:

Rebel_phish wrote:
This has been on the cards for quite a while now... will he, wont he...

I will be sad to see Billie go, but if he feels its the right thing to further his career then good for him, all the best to him.

At least his move wont come back to haunt us, (well not in the league) for some years to come, as The Gulls try to play catch-up with us.

Thanks for your service and that wonder goal straight from the trow-in against Daggers.

Not against Crawley Rebel?

You know, as soon as I posted the comment I thought - bug**r, was it Daggers or Crawley.

Then, Hey-hoe, if I'm right - no harm done. If not, then as sure as god made little green apples, someone will correct me.

LR,

While agreeing probably with everything said buy everybody there is another element to this.

Surely a lot of this is down to the fact that Wray has given PDC a straight mandate. Get this club into the Championship, and do it so we stay there with a decent squad. Now for his part PDC has delivered Phase One, getting us out of League Two.
Now somewhere along the line both parties would have had meetings before the end of this last season and decided who was going, and who was needed in their place. We are now starting Phase Two, getting us out of League One and into the championship. Wray has clearly said, "no room for sentiment" and words along the lines of, some favourites leaving, but for the greater good of the club.

Now, Bodin fell somewhere in the middle of all of that. Probably seen as 50/50 as to whether he has it in him to make the grade, so he was offered a contract, by a club who this time next year, will be looking to recruit again. Bodin could have been part of that main stay, getting odd games and basically playing for a Championship club. Not necessarily a Championship grade player, YET. He has chosen to blow that chance, perhaps he feels he hasn't got it in him, or does he not want the hard work demanded by PDC, strange decision.
If he is going to do anything about furthering his career, then I think he will go the same way as his father and become a late developer, possibly.

I'm not sure I agree with the consensus on here. Sad to see him go, but must surely be better to get game time in one place rather than being moved from pillar to post. Anyone want to ask Bostock how he got on at his previous loan placements.

Everyone needs to feel wanted. Lingy clearly wants him, he can go, get a house, settle, get his head down and see if he can make it as a player.

I wish him all the best.

No surprise here but will be sorry to see him go as I still think he will go on to bigger things. Hope there is a sell on clause because even £70k isn't much of a return. Good luck Billy, hope you do well in the future.

Probably the best move for him as it does give him stability and a first team place under Lingy. Perhaps he believes he can prove himself at Torquay and move on to a better club from there. Good luck to the lad.

I don't think his Dad has a new contarct yet , must be a lot of uncertainty in the Bodin household .

Think you are right 1950, I guess he thinks he will shine down here in a team that will not do so well as they did last season. Having sold Robertson, Ellis and Olejnik Torquay will struggle although Gulls fans seem to think Ling has already brought in suitable replacements. I watch Torquay when I can't make it up the M5 so it will be interesting to see how Bodin gets on.

Thought the wonder goal Billy got was against Crawley in the Stratton Bank Goal.
Good luck to Billy and Alan Connel who seem to be leaving . I hope PDC's judgement proves right with these guys. Bring on Div1 .

London Red wrote:
I agree I hope this negotiating over £30k is not at the expense of a sell-on or buy-back clause
.
As if he does fulfill his potential and secures a big money move for L2 (£500-750k) a decent sell on of 20-25% would be worth £100-175k (a tad more than £30k)
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As poor as Tribunals are at setting initial fees they do normally add in sell-ons to ensure the players current club benefit if they really are a gem
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Still not convinced it is the best move for him - yes he will get more game time now
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But - Torquay are not going to challenge next year - they have lost 2 of their stars and fully expect the 3rd to go

So is playing for a mid table L2 club better than learning your trade at a forward moving club?
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Guess we will see in 2015 where he is

LR, when one of our young players moves to a big club with the stated aim of helping him to develop, there is a lot of moaning on here (including from me) about it. We argue that it's better to stay here and play an important part at a club than move higher and get no games. So how can we now say the opposite and suggest that Bodin should stay here and be on the fringe of things? I don't think his move shows a lack ambition at all. I believe it's the best thing he can do for himself in all the circumstances. The offer of a new contract was probably an insurance policy for us more than anything else anyway. PDC doesn't seem too bothered about losing him.

I am pleased for BB, but 70k doesn't seem a lot for me !! I hope we have a sell on clause because a year in Torquay and young BB will be moving on again for a large sum...

Den - I do understand that view point and logic
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However, when we moan about the younger kids moving on we are talking about them going to a club where they are nowhere near the first team
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That is not the case here
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Billy made 9 starts and a couple of sub appearances - which for the actual games he was available to play for STFC was a pretty high percentage
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I also don't agree we only offered him a deal as an insurance either - as if our insurance was a massive £70k - why didn't we just sell him in Jan?
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I'm pretty certain we could have got at least £50k with added extras like goals scored, promotion, international caps and sell-ons etc at that time
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I honestly believe PdC would have liked him in the squad this season if he had shown the right maturity and attitude - like he wants Thompson in there
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I personally believe the demanding of a starting spot (misprepesented in the press or not) burnt those bridges - which is why PdC has planned the current campaign witout him in mind
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His interview on the BBC about Billy's maturity clear backs this up

Don't be surprised if his dad moves to Devon also......

Since 1950 wrote:
Probably the best move for him as it does give him stability and a first team place under Lingy. Perhaps he believes he can prove himself at Torquay and move on to a better club from there. Good luck to the lad.

That's the key point - he will get a first team place at Torquay. Whether he gets a better move is then up to how he performs. More chance if playing regularly....

I'm not surprised at the move. Paolo had a look at him in the summer, gave him a few games then loaned him out. Then he returned in Jan, Paolo gave him a few games and although he had improved it wasn't enough so he got loaned out. With the arrival of the new strikers and the great form of Benson it must be fairly clear to Bodin he's 4th choice at best. So his option is 4th choice at Swindon or 1st choice at Torquay. Hmm.....

Good luck to him as many have said.

A pity as I think the player has a bright future but it seems this is what both parties want.
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As long as we get the add-ons and sell-on I don't think the initial fee is too critical.

MITTED wrote:
Don't be surprised if his dad moves to Devon also......

Exactly, I said that some weeks ago and got shot down for it by some, however I still see it as a possibility, and wouldn't rule it out.
Big shame if it happens, our loss, but PDC was far from complementary about the youth set up especially during "drink gate".

I see that the Sheff Utd Forum is awash with rumours that Wilson has walked!!!

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Hello
Is datta you Paul?
Yes who's speaking?.
It'sa BOMBA.
I justy wondered would you likee to signa for mea?. I will garantee you a gamea every weeka.
What team?.
Never a mindee wodda a teama.
If you turny upa on thurdaye we havea gamea against my deara friendy call a paolo di canio, a true gentleman who strivesa fora classa players and a ditchesa the poora onesa.
My Good frienda paolo says he willa win the leaguea this season.
I am struggling fora players toa playa thema, I Havva fewwa players whoa mya agenta has sent to play. Toppa playersa hea tolda me
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ommazi,tehouea, alla verya gooda players my agenta mr jeremy wraya advised mea on bringinga to mya footballa cluba.
Canna you make ita fora thursdaya?
Sorry BOMBA but my dad says I must fight against relegation for turkey.but thanks for inviting me, sounds like an excellent squad you have put together
Goodbye
Goodbyea mra bodina

One for the boys,

Fast forward to 2014
..... it is just before England v Brazil at the next World Cup Group. Kaka goes into the Brazilian changing room to find all his teammates looking a bit glum.
"What's up?" he asks.
"Well, we're having trouble getting motivated for this game. We know it's important but it's only England. They're rubbish and we can't be bothered".

Kaka looks at them and says "Well, I reckon I can beat these by myself, you lads go down the pub."
So Kaka goes out to play England by himself and the rest of the Brazilian team go off for a few jars.

After a few pints they wonder how the game is going, so they get the landlord to put the TV on. A big cheer goes up as the screen reads "Brazil 1 - England 0
(Kaka 10minutes)". He is beating England all by himself!
Anyway, a few more pints later and the game is forgotten until someone remembers "It must be full time now, let's see how he got on". They put the teletext on.
"Result from the Stadium "Brazil 1 (Kaka 10 minutes) - England 1 (Walcott 89 minutes)".
They can't believe it, he has single handedly got a draw against England!! They rush back to the Stadium to congratulate him. They find him in the dressing room,
still in his gear, sat with his head in his hands.

He refuses to look at them. "I've let you down, I've let you down."
"Don't be daft, you got a draw against England, all by yourself. And they only scored at the very, very end!"
"No, No, I have, I've let you down...
I got sent off after 12 minutes"

MITTED wrote:
Don't be surprised if his dad moves to Devon also......

MM!! must admit to similar thoughts!

ya mums got facial hair says...
2:51pm Mon 2 Jul 12

10/10 for imagination!

On another subject team GB 18 named this afternoon. Not sure what Wes will have to do to get recognised for under 21's, but this fella Butland seems to have the edge, after being called up for the Euros, even though what I saw of him for Cheltenham he's no better, Could it be him and Steele play for championship clubs, don't thin kButland has played at that level yet, how can Birmingham price him at £6 million. If your face fits comes to mind. Just hope Wes proves a few wrong this season with more clean sheets.

London Red wrote:
I don't think he was short changed last year - he was in his first real season as a pro and was not ready to challenge for a starting spot - hardly anyone said they wanted him as our main striker last pre-season or August! . He was therefore, loaned out to gain experince - like lots of young players are - and it worked he came back better . I agree with Wiz as I have said above strange move and doesn't smack ambition . I think he should have gone into PdC office and said I don't want to go out on loan this year I want to be part of the main group and fight for a place - can you guarantee me that . The answer probably would have been yes - he could have then signed and developed . If it had been no - then he would have been justifed in leaving as he was obviously not in our plans full stop

He was short changed. I don't see the point in loaning out a good young prospect to gain experience out only to bring in another young loanee to gain experience, especially when he's not as good as the player you're loaning out!...
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I think this is a good move for BB and I hope he makes a great success of it and we've a 50% sell on clause.

Stratton Red wrote:

London Red wrote:
I don't think he was short changed last year - he was in his first real season as a pro and was not ready to challenge for a starting spot - hardly anyone said they wanted him as our main striker last pre-season or August! . He was therefore, loaned out to gain experince - like lots of young players are - and it worked he came back better . I agree with Wiz as I have said above strange move and doesn't smack ambition . I think he should have gone into PdC office and said I don't want to go out on loan this year I want to be part of the main group and fight for a place - can you guarantee me that . The answer probably would have been yes - he could have then signed and developed . If it had been no - then he would have been justifed in leaving as he was obviously not in our plans full stop

He was short changed. I don't see the point in loaning out a good young prospect to gain experience out only to bring in another young loanee to gain experience, especially when he's not as good as the player you're loaning out!...
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I think this is a good move for BB and I hope he makes a great success of it and we've a 50% sell on clause.

Totally agree SR why bring in Murray and loan out bodin to a club in the same league, you give your own a chance first. LR slight contraindications in your statement regarding loan players, if that was the club or managers ethos loan out players that have potential to gain experience and come back a better experienced player then why didn't Thompson go out and get 20 games or so rather then do nothing last season, players at his age need to be playing therefore bodin brings more experience into the equation yet not a club contender.

I think billy may go onto become a valuble asset , so its a pity we couldnt have given him a season long to loan to torquay instead of selling.

35yrRED wrote:
I see that the Sheff Utd Forum is awash with rumours that Wilson has walked!!!

why would he walk at this stage of the season? I hope for one he stays and tries to battle it out with us for promotion!

Just had a look here and quite quiet, although a bit of philosophy about DW and will he, wont he, but nowt about him walking.

http://www.s24su.com
/forum/index.php

And these guys are saying it is total bozwillox,

http://boards.footym
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ct=1&mid=2114506095

Stratton Red wrote:

London Red wrote:
I don't think he was short changed last year - he was in his first real season as a pro and was not ready to challenge for a starting spot - hardly anyone said they wanted him as our main striker last pre-season or August! . He was therefore, loaned out to gain experince - like lots of young players are - and it worked he came back better . I agree with Wiz as I have said above strange move and doesn't smack ambition . I think he should have gone into PdC office and said I don't want to go out on loan this year I want to be part of the main group and fight for a place - can you guarantee me that . The answer probably would have been yes - he could have then signed and developed . If it had been no - then he would have been justifed in leaving as he was obviously not in our plans full stop

He was short changed. I don't see the point in loaning out a good young prospect to gain experience out only to bring in another young loanee to gain experience, especially when he's not as good as the player you're loaning out!...
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I think this is a good move for BB and I hope he makes a great success of it and we've a 50% sell on clause.

Well Ipswich were paying Murrays wages, shipping Bodin out got one wage off the books that allowed us to bring in the likes of Benson. We had to keep within the tight 55% wage cap. Don't think the decision was made on ability alone. Bodin was dispensible as he actually did not grab his chance to cement a regular start. He was wanted by other clubs, so it made sense to me if he wasn't going to be playing regular to get experience elsewhere.

old town robin wrote:

Stratton Red wrote:

London Red wrote:
I don't think he was short changed last year - he was in his first real season as a pro and was not ready to challenge for a starting spot - hardly anyone said they wanted him as our main striker last pre-season or August! . He was therefore, loaned out to gain experince - like lots of young players are - and it worked he came back better . I agree with Wiz as I have said above strange move and doesn't smack ambition . I think he should have gone into PdC office and said I don't want to go out on loan this year I want to be part of the main group and fight for a place - can you guarantee me that . The answer probably would have been yes - he could have then signed and developed . If it had been no - then he would have been justifed in leaving as he was obviously not in our plans full stop

He was short changed. I don't see the point in loaning out a good young prospect to gain experience out only to bring in another young loanee to gain experience, especially when he's not as good as the player you're loaning out!...
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I think this is a good move for BB and I hope he makes a great success of it and we've a 50% sell on clause.

Well Ipswich were paying Murrays wages, shipping Bodin out got one wage off the books that allowed us to bring in the likes of Benson. We had to keep within the tight 55% wage cap. Don't think the decision was made on ability alone. Bodin was dispensible as he actually did not grab his chance to cement a regular start. He was wanted by other clubs, so it made sense to me if he wasn't going to be playing regular to get experience elsewhere.

I think what ever your view, Billy was liked by the supporters and there was a certain amount of the faithful wanting to see the son come good in his fathers footsteps. Nothing wrong with that sort of loyalty, its respect to father and son. Ironic that he scored our first goal in the league last season and Kennedy the second, but I still think there are issues here perhaps that will not be made public.
Billy has burned bridges this summer with what has been said, and not done by the signing of the contract on offer. Did he really think that for one moment, he, a 20 year old, could twist the arm of PDC and get what he wanted in front of better and more mature and talented players ? or has it been all part of a game, devised at Turkey while he was there ?

Paolo doesn't get on with old Bodin,he of the old school.

Paolo loves to do his shopping so some youth will be sacrificed;
Billy boy to the slaughter.

the wizard wrote:

old town robin wrote:

Stratton Red wrote:

London Red wrote:
I don't think he was short changed last year - he was in his first real season as a pro and was not ready to challenge for a starting spot - hardly anyone said they wanted him as our main striker last pre-season or August! . He was therefore, loaned out to gain experince - like lots of young players are - and it worked he came back better . I agree with Wiz as I have said above strange move and doesn't smack ambition . I think he should have gone into PdC office and said I don't want to go out on loan this year I want to be part of the main group and fight for a place - can you guarantee me that . The answer probably would have been yes - he could have then signed and developed . If it had been no - then he would have been justifed in leaving as he was obviously not in our plans full stop

He was short changed. I don't see the point in loaning out a good young prospect to gain experience out only to bring in another young loanee to gain experience, especially when he's not as good as the player you're loaning out!...
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I think this is a good move for BB and I hope he makes a great success of it and we've a 50% sell on clause.

Well Ipswich were paying Murrays wages, shipping Bodin out got one wage off the books that allowed us to bring in the likes of Benson. We had to keep within the tight 55% wage cap. Don't think the decision was made on ability alone. Bodin was dispensible as he actually did not grab his chance to cement a regular start. He was wanted by other clubs, so it made sense to me if he wasn't going to be playing regular to get experience elsewhere.

I think what ever your view, Billy was liked by the supporters and there was a certain amount of the faithful wanting to see the son come good in his fathers footsteps. Nothing wrong with that sort of loyalty, its respect to father and son. Ironic that he scored our first goal in the league last season and Kennedy the second, but I still think there are issues here perhaps that will not be made public.
Billy has burned bridges this summer with what has been said, and not done by the signing of the contract on offer. Did he really think that for one moment, he, a 20 year old, could twist the arm of PDC and get what he wanted in front of better and more mature and talented players ? or has it been all part of a game, devised at Turkey while he was there ?

I think Bodin just wants a chance to play football, and so would I in his shoes. I don't think it's a case of twisting Paolo's arm. Paolo gave him chances here and despite the goals did not quite look the part in general play so moved him on.

We can always have him back,then he can be a hero.