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Seven things Sam Morshead learnt about Town from pre-season tour
5:50am Tuesday 17th July 2012 in STFC News By Sam Morshead
1) COMMITMENT TO THE CAUSE
In the recent past, without naming guilty parties, there hasn’t been the kind of work ethic amongst the Swindon squad that now exists.
Be that because of the Paolo Di Canio regime, the higher standards of the players or a combination of the two - the Robins look fitter, sharper and infinitely more united.
Sure, there are groups of friends off the field, but on it they are a team.
2) PAOLO’S SPOILT FOR CHOICE
There is massive depth within the current squad and, with Di Canio planning to add further to it, competition for places will be fierce.
The old cliche suggests that that should be healthy, but the manager is going to have to balance his players’ desire to play.
What happens in the middle of midfielde with Alan Navarro, Tommy Miller and Simon Ferry or up top with Andy Williams, Paul Benson and James Collins? They can’t all play all the time and Di Canio’s
man management skills will be tested.
3) STILL PLENTY TO DO ON MATCHDAY
While the 9-1 thrashing of a select XI at the team’s Hotel Veronello base was little more than a fitness exercise for the Town players, the 1-1 draw with Bayern Munich II gave a better indication
of what still needs to be done to get the Robins playing the kind of liquid football Di Canio craves.
In the first half, there were six new signings on show and there were scratchy phases where Bayern controlled midfield for long periods. With 11 men all with six months’ experience of each other
under their belts, the second period flowed much better from a Swindon point of view.
4) ROONEY READY FOR HIS CHANCE
Luke Rooney made a major impact out on the banks of Lake Garda, making a good impression during his two 45-minute appearances in the friendlies and in the ballwork drills that I witnessed in
training.
He may have to compete against Gary Roberts for a spot on the left of midfield but, after six months spent in and out of the team, now he could well make the position his own.
5) WHO NEEDS A BACK-UP KEEPER
One man we didn’t get to see enough of during the tour was Leigh Bedwell.
The second-string keeper was only given a brief run-out during the 9-1 victory over a select XI and didn’t feature at Andalo against Bayern Munich II.
There haven’t been enough players progress the whole way through the youth system at Town, for various reasons, and since Craig Farr and Steve Mildenhall that has been particularly true amongst
goalkeepers.
Wes Foderingham has openly stated that he feels the club will bring in a new man between the posts to challenge him imminently, but is there a need?
If Foderingham is injured or suspended, why not dip into the loan market for an emergency signing. Otherwise, give Bedwell
his chance. If not, why offer him a contract in the first place?
6) THESE PLAYERS EARN THEIR WAGES
When you listen to the footballing grapevine, you often hear stories from the past that refer to three-day weeks for footballers, with 90-minute training sessions and little to no fitness-specific
work.
Those within the sport talented and lucky enough to get towards the top of the game frequently set examples you wouldn’t want your own children following. Town’s players are doing plenty to justify
the amount spent on them.
They work very hard during the day, and maintain a positive image away from the training field.
7) THE DI CANIO FACTOR
I’ve never previously had the chance to see a manager in action of the training ground, and I doubt many are like Di Canio globally.
He will get so intimately involved in a session, arms flailing, head bent up towards the sky - he is living vicariously through his players.
Generally they seem to be absorbing his every word, but that may be because he demands their attention. He addresses everything in minute detail.
Comments(50)
BurtBacharach
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7:05am Tue 17 Jul 12
Oi Den!
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7:37am Tue 17 Jul 12
ciclosporindorset
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7:49am Tue 17 Jul 12
as for the article - 7 good topics to debate todat so on a no news day still something to get teeth into and worth reading well done Sam
London Red
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8:14am Tue 17 Jul 12
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Has everyone forgot where Wes came from? Thays right - the loan market
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Just as the article suggests we had injuries so PdC went out and got Wes in - the rest is history
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Now yes if he gets injured on the day we would have to go with Bedwell (ready or not) but what are the chances of that!
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It's just like Wise said - he doesn't name a sub keeper as the chances of one being needed is probably once in 46 games and that is a risk worth taking
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As for Bedwell - we won't actually know if he is ready until he plays - PdC must have some faith in him as he has named him on the bench a few times before
London Red
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8:19am Tue 17 Jul 12
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Last year we were still signing player in August etc - so never really had our squad in place at the start
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This year we are at least 95% there and these guys have already had 2 games together and are due to have at least another 4 or 5
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The off field gelling appears to have been done according to all the reports so it's just fine tuning on field and considering Navarro Miller and Roberts have about 1000 games between them that shouldn't be an issue
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Plus not all 7 are likely to play straight away so we are not likely to be a new team like last season
ciclosporindorset
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8:30am Tue 17 Jul 12
Swindon1984
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8:34am Tue 17 Jul 12
Rod Bourne wrote:Wow... I personally enjoyed reading it. It's the close season, what more do you want? If it's rumours you want head to sky sports.
Slow news day?
gazza5150
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8:43am Tue 17 Jul 12
Stratton Red
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8:49am Tue 17 Jul 12
London Red wrote:Don't agree its a risk worth taking, especially with 5 or 7 subs on the bench. What happens if he gets injured during a 6 point game? Or we want to rest Wes in the Paint Pot? I agree with Den either Bedwell is good enough or we should sign a strong reserve keeper.
I totally agree with his point 5 and have been saying that all summer . Has everyone forgot where Wes came from? Thays right - the loan market . Just as the article suggests we had injuries so PdC went out and got Wes in - the rest is history . Now yes if he gets injured on the day we would have to go with Bedwell (ready or not) but what are the chances of that! . It's just like Wise said - he doesn't name a sub keeper as the chances of one being needed is probably once in 46 games and that is a risk worth taking . As for Bedwell - we won't actually know if he is ready until he plays - PdC must have some faith in him as he has named him on the bench a few times before
Wilesy
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9:54am Tue 17 Jul 12
Whether the back-up keeper is on the bench or not is another matter. With 7 subs I would include a keeper as it's a specialist position, outfield players are more flexible. Remember when Lucas went off injured after 5 minutes away at Charlton in the play-offs?
the real Tosh man
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9:58am Tue 17 Jul 12
Rod Bourne wrote:Having all of us been swindon fans for years I sometimes look at these stories with only one eye open initially. Due to the fact that in past times and even last season some of the stories coming out of sn1were uncomfortable reading. To this point, no news is often good news when our club is involved!
Slow news day?
Oi Den!
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10:10am Tue 17 Jul 12
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I'm sorry but your logic still defeats me. You have said on a few occasions that we need two players for every position. In principle I disagree. Most outfield players have some versatility about them and can swap around a bit. But the goalkeeping position is the most specialised in the team. I believe a good reserve keeper is essential. And as Stratton says the number of subs we are allowed gives ample scope to have a goalkeeper on the bench. If it hadn't been for Phil Smith's heroics as a sub for Lucas at Charlton in the play-off semi final, we'd probably have been battered out of sight. (On reflection, after the damp squib that followed, maybe that would have been a good thing!)
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Incidentally, I see that Lucas has signed for Birmingham - or was that just another bit of unfounded transfer gossip?
Oi Den!
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10:11am Tue 17 Jul 12
London Red
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10:58am Tue 17 Jul 12
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Tim Flowers, Shay Given, Tom Heaton and Wes himself have all come to STFC on loan
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Then you have a current England GK on loan at Cheltenham last season!
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So I do believe that if Wes was to get injured then we would be able to sign in a GK to cover that period
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OK maybe my example of Wise's comments have got lost in translation - but the Lucas/Smith situation still applies - yes that happened but how many times in Smith's 6 years here did he have to come off the bench due to an injury or a sending off or vise versa?
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I can think of 2 in about a 300 game period
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Is that really worth paying an "experienced pro" for that under 1% chance an injury happens on Matchday?
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Also we do have 2 GKs - Bedwell is one!
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None of us know how good Bedwell actually is or if he is ready or not - but PdC and his team will do - and if they think he is then that is good enough for me
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Lucas has signed for Birmingham as 3rd choice / coach
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Speaking of GK coaches - ours is only 36 so we could always register him if need be in an emergency
Oi Den!
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11:40am Tue 17 Jul 12
ciclosporindorset
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12:04pm Tue 17 Jul 12
Wilesy
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12:29pm Tue 17 Jul 12
Put simply the question is does Paolo think Bedwell good enough to be a number 2 or is he a number 3?
I would think a number 3 from the comments made by Sir Wes in that he expects a keeper to come in soon.
Also as the majority of teams name a keeper as 1 of 7 subs, most managers seem to think it a sensible policy.
red white
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12:43pm Tue 17 Jul 12
Stratton Red
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12:59pm Tue 17 Jul 12
London Red wrote:I disagree, I think it's 1 in about every 150 games...
I never said we would land another Wes - but you can land another GK for a decent standard for a game or 2 . Tim Flowers, Shay Given, Tom Heaton and Wes himself have all come to STFC on loan . Then you have a current England GK on loan at Cheltenham last season! . So I do believe that if Wes was to get injured then we would be able to sign in a GK to cover that period . OK maybe my example of Wise's comments have got lost in translation - but the Lucas/Smith situation still applies - yes that happened but how many times in Smith's 6 years here did he have to come off the bench due to an injury or a sending off or vise versa? . I can think of 2 in about a 300 game period . Is that really worth paying an "experienced pro" for that under 1% chance an injury happens on Matchday? . Also we do have 2 GKs - Bedwell is one! . None of us know how good Bedwell actually is or if he is ready or not - but PdC and his team will do - and if they think he is then that is good enough for me . Lucas has signed for Birmingham as 3rd choice / coach . Speaking of GK coaches - ours is only 36 so we could always register him if need be in an emergency
Davidsyrett
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1:08pm Tue 17 Jul 12
If Wes was to get injured, a loan would give us a far better chance of getting a quality goalkeeper in to cover, knowing that he would be guaranteed a starting position..
RamsburyRed
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1:22pm Tue 17 Jul 12
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I cannot believe that any ambitious club would leave itself without good cover in a key position. The loan market is all very well, but it's hit and miss and there's no knowing what might be available at short notice.
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I think I am right in saying that the club is pursuing promotion this year, and I simply don't accept that we will leave ourselves exposed in the one position where you can't just 'get by' for a game or two.
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On top of which, Wes does need some decent competition - as I've said before, someone who PDC will put in without hesitation if he think's it's needed. We all think Wes is great, but there is such a thing as loss of form, loss of confidence and second season syndrome.
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Bedwell might be that man, but I doubt it, as said above he is number 3.
the wizard
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1:25pm Tue 17 Jul 12
If it aint happening you have to do something, and this is a far better article than many in times gone by.
I think the GK issue will sort itself out without the management having to resort to reading what is written here, they have no doubt got a plan of their own which they will implement when ready..
LeGod
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1:54pm Tue 17 Jul 12
There is nothing better than having the confidence of your keeper knowing he is going to deal with what is coming into the box but on the other hand if you have a keeper who is nervous there is nothing worse as a defender.
So i would expect cover to come in.
sadgit
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2:14pm Tue 17 Jul 12
LeGod wrote:Wes didn't have a great deal of experience when he came here (I think he made his league debut for the Town) so perhaps we should give the youngster a chance to prove himself.
Bedwell may be a good prospect but wont have the experience to come in if Wes gets injured and with oppossing teams have experienced players they will know how to exploit his inexperience so i would expect cover to come in before the season starts as defenders need to have the confidence which they have with Wes and any hesitancy by a keeper makes the players in front of the keeper edgy and they will go for balls which normally they would leave for the keeper. There is nothing better than having the confidence of your keeper knowing he is going to deal with what is coming into the box but on the other hand if you have a keeper who is nervous there is nothing worse as a defender. So i would expect cover to come in.
LeGod
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2:43pm Tue 17 Jul 12
ya mums got facial hair
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2:50pm Tue 17 Jul 12
After all you haven't mentioned him since the tour.
Come on start the vile debate going again.
Old-Stager, Hilperton
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3:12pm Tue 17 Jul 12
I think that Jeremy Wray was quite shocked and troubled at the time, over the whole affair.
Oxon-Red
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3:40pm Tue 17 Jul 12
Sadly with no reserve team there is no way for him to gain the experience.
COYMR
Steve. Brentford
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5:03pm Tue 17 Jul 12
Oxon-Red wrote:Good shout Oxon,my thoughts exactly, however Wes seems to think someone else is coming in to challenge him,so i expect that to happen in the next 2weeks.
Slightly disappointed that Leigh is being written-off because he has not got enough experience. On that basis he will never play which beggars the question “Why was he offered a contract” ?
Sadly with no reserve team there is no way for him to gain the experience.
COYMR
Wilesy
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5:33pm Tue 17 Jul 12
I'm sure the likes of Esajas, Magera, Bedwell, Bodin, Phil Smith, Chris Smith, N Thompson etc etc would have benefitted and hit the ground running rather than being thrown in at the deep end in the first team.
Swindon1984
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5:48pm Tue 17 Jul 12
Wilesy wrote:Cost I'd wager, can't see another reason.
That old debate regarding the reserve team rearing its head again - I'm still not sure why we don't have one. If the likes of Marlborough Town, Purton, Wootton Bassett etc have one then why don't Swindon?
I'm sure the likes of Esajas, Magera, Bedwell, Bodin, Phil Smith, Chris Smith, N Thompson etc etc would have benefitted and hit the ground running rather than being thrown in at the deep end in the first team.
LeGod
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5:59pm Tue 17 Jul 12
dreamofacleansheet2
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6:48pm Tue 17 Jul 12
That results in slacking off in training which is as we all know a massive no no. Anyone remember Sir Wes getting dropped for not owning up to drinkgate? Don't see a anyone getting a free pass into the side.
It's the hard training that means we don't bother with a reserve team.
I'll leave the rest of you to debate whether the loan market is good enough or whether you want a proper keeper on the bench. I'm in the loan market can work but I'd want a proper keeper on the bench every game. Even if a one in 300 hundred game, that game could cost us promotion.
Oh hang on a second the Emperor threw two games at the end of last season to lay the ground rules for the bigger picture and we still won the league........
London Red
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7:30pm Tue 17 Jul 12
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We beat Verona XI 9-1 the other day an it is seen as no indication of how we will perform - with my comment about Rooney's hat-trick and assist dismissed outright
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Yet people are calling for us to play this type of game every 3 or 4 weeks
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Reserve games became very slim o the hround and when they did happen most were made up of youth team players
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So is us bearing Salisbury U18s really going to tell PdC if Collins, Miller, Rooney, Troy and Devera should be in the starting XI? I don't think it will!
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Granted the friendlies in its place didn't really happen and will need addressing but entering an 6 team reserve/youth league will not be much better
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What we need is to try an set up an informal league with Cardiff, Bristol C, Bristol R, Cheltenham, Yeovil, Oxford, Bournemouth and Pompy - playing each 4 times would provide enough games and also be cost effective as all local
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Then the Wilts Shield and JPT on top should give lots of game time to those on the fringes
RamsburyRed
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9:02pm Tue 17 Jul 12
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I'm not particularly advocating a reserve team league - actually our squad probably isn't big enough to do it - and in fact your suggestion of second-string matches against local clubs makes perfect sense and is pretty much what we did last year, although not really arranging enough of them.
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Such matches will never have the intensity of league games but will offer some action and opportunity especially for the younger players to develop. The only other option for youngsters unlikely to get first team action is a loan out, which can often be a good option too.
RamsburyRed
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9:04pm Tue 17 Jul 12
old town robin
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9:17pm Tue 17 Jul 12
London Red wrote:Can't disagree rgames should be arranged to keep fringe players in shape, I would put forward Risser as the captain, as in Paolo's eyes he is a good motivator, and by the way I'm not being sarcastic, he may have more to offer in motivation and coaching than he ever will on the field of play.
I don't see why the reserve team issue keeps getting raised - the board were very clear as to why it was shelved
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We beat Verona XI 9-1 the other day an it is seen as no indication of how we will perform - with my comment about Rooney's hat-trick and assist dismissed outright
.
Yet people are calling for us to play this type of game every 3 or 4 weeks
.
Reserve games became very slim o the hround and when they did happen most were made up of youth team players
.
So is us bearing Salisbury U18s really going to tell PdC if Collins, Miller, Rooney, Troy and Devera should be in the starting XI? I don't think it will!
.
Granted the friendlies in its place didn't really happen and will need addressing but entering an 6 team reserve/youth league will not be much better
.
What we need is to try an set up an informal league with Cardiff, Bristol C, Bristol R, Cheltenham, Yeovil, Oxford, Bournemouth and Pompy - playing each 4 times would provide enough games and also be cost effective as all local
.
Then the Wilts Shield and JPT on top should give lots of game time to those on the fringes
the wizard
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9:37pm Tue 17 Jul 12
With ref to Risser, he contributed a lot more than many of us thought. I have a copy of the season DVD( good value for money at a tenner) and I was surprised how much he put in with assists and goals. A few well balanced crosses as well, and yes I have cursed him as much as many others, but that DVD does tell a story. It also high lights the fact that he struggles to stay on his feet, blades not boots.
The subject of the reserve team is a hot spud that will divide many, but I think older guys here realise the benefits more than the draw backs which others seem to concentrate on. Yes, the board with Paolo's influence have made their decision, fair enough, its their club, But I do see the merit in it. Risser as Captain, well, why not.
old town robin
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9:42pm Tue 17 Jul 12
dreamofacleansheet2 wrote:Ha ha Dreamo, I like the last comment on the Emperor, I declined to comment for a long while because I made the silly comment we were a laughing stock throwing away the lead we had in the league just to prove a point. But if we remember how he stopped play when playing for West Ham, it should not be surprising in the name of fair play!
If Leigh isn't ready he can go out on loan to gan experience. As everyone has said he's only 18. Don't see Paolo not getting another keeper. Not because Sir Wes isn't good enough but it's not in the Emperor's make up up to have anyone think they are guaranteed a first team spot.
That results in slacking off in training which is as we all know a massive no no. Anyone remember Sir Wes getting dropped for not owning up to drinkgate? Don't see a anyone getting a free pass into the side.
It's the hard training that means we don't bother with a reserve team.
I'll leave the rest of you to debate whether the loan market is good enough or whether you want a proper keeper on the bench. I'm in the loan market can work but I'd want a proper keeper on the bench every game. Even if a one in 300 hundred game, that game could cost us promotion.
Oh hang on a second the Emperor threw two games at the end of last season to lay the ground rules for the bigger picture and we still won the league........
I regret my remarks as I was emotionally more removed than the Emperor, I don't want to rake up old wounds, but I still believe IMO he was wrong in the way he handled the drinkgate situation. In my book you don't risk vital points to prove who is right or wrong and as you say we threw away 6 points with the 12 changes he made over two games. Again IMHO it should have been handled internally with extra training and fines.
I'm sure Paolo has no regrets but he must have been banking on the demolision of Port Vale without the fall off of Shrews to carry us over the line.
Hey-Ho as up the league we go without so much much trauma, (I hope).
Oxon-Red
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9:54pm Tue 17 Jul 12
LeGod wrote:Legod,
Oxon-Red i dont think nayone is writing Leigh off he is still only 18 and its a massive jump from youth football to league football even going from youth football just to playing any mens football is a massive jump ok he's a keeper but experienced wily old pros know all the tricks how to unsteady a young lad and i know people said about Wes making his debut with us but he's 21 and that little extra age difference does count but i;m sure Leigh is going to be a great keeper and the more games he plays if he goes on loan somewhere the better for him.
I am sure no-one is writing Leigh off, and I want him to do well more than most because he is a local lad that played for the team my daughter is associated with, but we are seeing a lot of lads being signed as 1st year, going out on loan and then being released is disheartening.
We all want success for the club but sometimes I would like to see Town have a bit more faith in their youngsters (and fans as well) and give them a chance to shine rather than shove them out on loan.
He has to make a debut some time, yes he will be nervous and may make an error but....
COYMR
London Red
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9:59pm Tue 17 Jul 12
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True about Pompy - I see they have gone on tour to Spain with NO senior players - just youths and trialists including Brian Howard
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OTR you could be right - its the old 8 out o 10 cats situation - most top managers never had a top career - Jose, AVB, Wenger, Fergie etc
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Obviously there are a few exceptions like Pep and PdC :)
old town robin
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10:06pm Tue 17 Jul 12
BurtBacharach wrote:Nice scenerio Burt.
Next up: Morshead's 7 favourite Euro Lagers tasted on his jolly to Italy. :D
In goal it must be Stella Attois,
At the back a tough back four a mixture of cider and lager Strongbow at RB, Foster, Carlsberg in the centre and Carling at LB.
In the midfield Beck, Budweiser, Lowenbrau,
Sh*t after those 8 stars Sam would already be p**sed, So I'll have to go with the 3 Alt brothers upfront, Dortmunder, Dusseldorf and Koln.
Off to Munich Thursday, doubt I'll be drinking anything else but the Lions brew, Did the tour of their brewery many years ago. My misses may have other things on her agenda but another tour there and maybe a visit to the Bayern Stadium would be interesting, I'm taking over my mate our shirt to wear the colours, given the choice of the 4-4-2 or Samsung, I think the former was better, looking forward to seeing us play in white shorts this season, will be a bit strange for the youngsters to get used to, but for us oldens it back to where we belong! lol
dreamofacleansheet2
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10:32pm Tue 17 Jul 12
Wilesy
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10:36pm Tue 17 Jul 12
London Red wrote:Surely we could muster a reserve squad to compete in the reserve league that already exists?
I don't see why the reserve team issue keeps getting raised - the board were very clear as to why it was shelved
.
We beat Verona XI 9-1 the other day an it is seen as no indication of how we will perform - with my comment about Rooney's hat-trick and assist dismissed outright
.
Yet people are calling for us to play this type of game every 3 or 4 weeks
.
Reserve games became very slim o the hround and when they did happen most were made up of youth team players
.
So is us bearing Salisbury U18s really going to tell PdC if Collins, Miller, Rooney, Troy and Devera should be in the starting XI? I don't think it will!
.
Granted the friendlies in its place didn't really happen and will need addressing but entering an 6 team reserve/youth league will not be much better
.
What we need is to try an set up an informal league with Cardiff, Bristol C, Bristol R, Cheltenham, Yeovil, Oxford, Bournemouth and Pompy - playing each 4 times would provide enough games and also be cost effective as all local
.
Then the Wilts Shield and JPT on top should give lots of game time to those on the fringes
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I would think that the players would be well up for games and it would make a good break from neverending training. Also knowing the importance that Paolo places on training, showing the same intensity in a game may serve them well.
But hey what do I know, and we did win the league....
Malkym
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10:56pm Tue 17 Jul 12
the wizard wrote:Congratulations Wiz! I am able to confirm that you have retained your Adver arse licking award - the noble OBN from the GR days -good to see you are consistent in your praise of another jobbing journo who like GR has no real allegiance to STFC (ala unlike the late great CK who lived breathed and ate STFC) and is merely saying favourable things to a) earn his pay cheque b) keeping on side with the Town hierachy!
A very decent article for a "slow-no news" day. If it aint happening you have to do something, and this is a far better article than many in times gone by. I think the GK issue will sort itself out without the management having to resort to reading what is written here, they have no doubt got a plan of their own which they will implement when ready..
the wizard
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11:14pm Tue 17 Jul 12
Malkym wrote:Well, I wrote that with you in mind and am rather surprised it took you soooo long to respond . LOL
the wizard wrote:Congratulations Wiz! I am able to confirm that you have retained your Adver arse licking award - the noble OBN from the GR days -good to see you are consistent in your praise of another jobbing journo who like GR has no real allegiance to STFC (ala unlike the late great CK who lived breathed and ate STFC) and is merely saying favourable things to a) earn his pay cheque b) keeping on side with the Town hierachy!
A very decent article for a "slow-no news" day. If it aint happening you have to do something, and this is a far better article than many in times gone by. I think the GK issue will sort itself out without the management having to resort to reading what is written here, they have no doubt got a plan of their own which they will implement when ready..
London Red
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6:26am Wed 18 Jul 12
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If they merged that into 1 league of 12 it might be more feasible - as that should see a game every 2 week
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22 a season should give enough to make it worthwhile exercise
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Though do we know how seriously these are taken - are they pros or kids?
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If full of kids then again even with an increased number it won't help as we might as well just play our own youth team
old town robin
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7:16am Wed 18 Jul 12
dreamofacleansheet2 wrote:Dreamo, No I don't think we will, lessons were learned by all, that's for sure.
Old Town, re Drinkgate I'm not going to bring those arguments up again. However if I may I will just ask you one question? Do you think we will have a repeat this season of the players going on the lash until the early hours of Sunday morning when we have a game Tuesday?......
moggy83
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11:56am Wed 18 Jul 12
Rod Bourne says...
6:16am Tue 17 Jul 12