Money can't buy Paolo love (From Swindon Advertiser)
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SWINDON TOWN: Money can't buy Paolo love
6:00am Thursday 20th September 2012 in STFC News By Sam Morshead
IT'S NOT WHAT YOU KNOW... Town boss Paolo Di Canio
IT’S not about the money for Paolo Di Canio, with the Swindon Town boss claiming he would rather have more friends in football than a big budget as he bids to guide the Robins to promotion from League One.
Di Canio had certainly splashed the cash since taking over in Wiltshire in May 2011, most notably over the course of this summer as he brought in a collection of experienced campaigners and the best young talent around to make his squad amongst the most revered in the division.
Eleven new faces arrived at SN1 during the transfer window, and Di Canio is still keen to add to his playing resources via the emergency loan route.
Backed by a board more than willing to support their manager’s lofty ambitions for the club, you would think that Di Canio would be more than happy with the situation in which he finds himself at present.
However, the Italian has suggested that he is starting to realise it is about who you know and not necessarily how much you’ve got.
He said: “Every time the opponents say ‘I would really like to have the budget of Paolo Di Canio.’ “I would like to have less budget and old friends, like some have got when they go to QPR and Fulham and get easy players. “Because I do not have this connection with many other managers, when I went to the manager of the year dinner an old fox who used to be my manager said to me ‘Paolo, now you did everything with your legs, but from now try to go and speak with top managers because next year in League One they can give you more opportunity’. “To be honest, he was right, because two players that I wanted and they wanted to come here under me because I can improve them, the club said to them ‘maybe not’ and I discovered two days later they moved to another League One team not with our potential. “I didn’t spend much more money than the others the first budget in the league, and maybe I would like less budget, and more friends.”
Comments(80)
louiscassius
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6:57am Thu 20 Sep 12
Totally agree. I think he is starting to realise that; deplomacy and understanding and talking and managing his players are just as important as a strict routine and fitness levels........
He's learning and learning fast, well done Paolo.....
Louis :-)))
smirg kcab
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7:28am Thu 20 Sep 12
More friends no chance.
Onwards and upwards
southside7
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7:49am Thu 20 Sep 12
the wizard
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7:54am Thu 20 Sep 12
"How to win friends and influence people".
LOL
tenerifetaxi
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7:54am Thu 20 Sep 12
Wilesy
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7:55am Thu 20 Sep 12
Ok he's missed out on a couple but here there is no guarantee they will start so the player may prefer a smaller club but regular play, Eg why would a keeper come here on loan with Wes here?
smirg kcab
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8:08am Thu 20 Sep 12
tenerifetaxi wrote:you need to go up market and try penhill, rumour has it they will do anything for a fag.
Money can't buy love? Mmm not so sure that's true - I seem to be able to buy some down Manchester Road on a Friday night :-)
Onwards and upwards
P.s I didn't start the rumour
Wilesy
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8:12am Thu 20 Sep 12
London Red wrote:LR can't believe he has fallen out with West Ham, didn't they release Montano and Abdullah anyway, plus he could be in the running for their managers job in due course!
Interesting - it seems it is really going to take time for others up the ladder to appreciate what PdC is trying to do
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Though with loanees unless they are here for 6 months+ they are unlikely to buy in - as we saw a fair few times last season - PdC obviously doesn't like that and they don't play/stay so hinders future loans
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For example - no West Ham loanees since Montano
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Still perm players seem to have no issue so Im glad we are not swamped with loanees - less changes over the course of the season
Talking of West Ham how is his Swindon tattoo coming along.....
Oi Den!
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8:18am Thu 20 Sep 12
London Red
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8:19am Thu 20 Sep 12
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Ward was available but chose us over others nothing to do with Jackett - Appleton went for him too as his revealed the other day
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Rooney came as part of the Caddis deal
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Coke has spent more time away from Hillaborough than he has there!
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Only possibly Bostock could be down to some sort of relationship with the club
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The point PdC was making is players he has asked about have been declined by the club - only for an offer to be accepted a few days later at another club - totally different to player opting for X over us
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Which seems to be how we have got some like Ward
dreamofacleansheet2
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8:29am Thu 20 Sep 12
When something goes wrong and the proverbial flies around people forget that this is a man who came top of ALL his UEFA badge classes. He is very bright, has bright views on the game - a la you need a ball player at centre half as it's the one position you often have time on the ball.
Sometimes we may wince at his outbursts and by his passionate nature he comes across agitated a lot. I for one do believe though that it's his way of creating a bond with the fans and pushing the players harder and on to greater things. As I said I expect Collins to start Saturday as did Flint when he was singled out.
I'm extremely confident that the combination of our brilliant board, manager and fans* we will win this league.
*some fans do to need learn the definitions of patience and support, but on the whole we have great fans.
the don69
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9:26am Thu 20 Sep 12
red white
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9:27am Thu 20 Sep 12
southside7 wrote:Paolo is a Swindon Town fan now and no mistake!
Wonder if "Our General" will be in the away end with his 'friends' at White Hart Lane this evening, leading the irriducibili, getting fired up for Saturday. Wonder who he would support if West Ham played Lazio?
London Red
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9:35am Thu 20 Sep 12
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The clear message here (which even our own fans seem to not get!) is PdC is highlighting that our wage budget this season is no larger than it was for Wilson
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So why were people not complaining that Swindon were powerhouse of L1 2, 3 and 4 seasons ago????
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He then is simply pointing out that even though they may have a smaller budget (probalby as they have no fans!) they are still able to prosper as they are able to snap up certain loanees we are unable to - and these are good good players
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I know they are not in L1 (yet) but Posh are a prome example where they get Man U players no other club can!
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I'm sorry but claiming PdC only did well due to money is total noncense!
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If that was the case the likes of Leeds, Huddersfield, Cardiff etc would all gone straight up as they have larger budgets than most - yet all have struggled
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As other decent managers have said - yes a budget helps - but it is in no way a guarantee - you still have to spend it wisely, attact good players, manage those players and get them playing as a team - all those parts are beyond money
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Like it or not - he may have had a few fallings out and made a few mistakes - but he certain has excelled at forming an exciting group, who work their knackers off for each other and are all improving as players under him and his team
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What next Poyet is a cack manager and only a success as Brighton gave him money? Lambert only did anything due to the cash he had at Norwich?
Wilesy
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10:11am Thu 20 Sep 12
Just seems very strange that whilst players are falling over themselves to join one of the toughest task masters around, managers apparently aren't so keen to do business.
Stand by the fact that money talks, loyalty is a rare thing in football these days, unfortunately.
Rebel_phish
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10:46am Thu 20 Sep 12
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Some say Paolo doesn't know his best XI, well I don't think he wants a best XI. He wants a best XVIII, a best XX.
He wants a squad, so well drilled, so well jelled, so well disaplined, that whoever he picks to play a specific game, will go out and do the job they have to do.
This will take time, 11 new players in, no matter how well seasoned they are, will need time to fit into Paolo's ethos of this club. There have been some poor results, but overall the movement is in the right direction and the squad IS getting better. Not the finished article, as noted a few days ago, but boy, when they are, hold on to your hats.
In Paolo we trust.
the wizard
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10:51am Thu 20 Sep 12
What next Poyet is a cack manager and only a success as Brighton gave him money? Lambert only did anything due to the cash he had at Norwich?
Both of the above have done well, but neither as I am aware have signed and let go anywhere near the sheer number of players that have come in and then left this club during the Canioman tenure.
If Canioman has a weak point then surely it is his assessment of players prior to them joining us. I doubt if Norwich or Brighton boards could have tolerated the circus of players in and out, in fact at times it seems it is a monthly affair.
The "mistakes" continue as he has said he needs more players under the emergency loan umbrella. I have never known in my 60 years of any other manager who bins players on such a regular basis, or openly falls out with them for the media and press to have a field day. Bearing that point in mind I find it of little surprise that some other managers don't want to loan guys in here in case they return as "damaged goods". Obviously these Premier League managers with greater experience etc in managing players and teams have a better working knowledge of what not to do to upset their potential stars of the future. Maybe Canioman is allowed to get away with his tantrums here, but I just cannot see it happening at PL level, whether he is right, wrong or somewhere inbetween, he will not get away with it further up the leagues, and that is why some of those players will not be coming here. As goes Bessone, Swansea were desperate to get rid, and to be honest, I can see why.
newburymike
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11:10am Thu 20 Sep 12
Rebel_phish wrote:Absolutely spot on, hit the nail on the head
Dreamo, been saying for a long time, patience is a virtue that some fans just don't possess.
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Some say Paolo doesn't know his best XI, well I don't think he wants a best XI. He wants a best XVIII, a best XX.
He wants a squad, so well drilled, so well jelled, so well disaplined, that whoever he picks to play a specific game, will go out and do the job they have to do.
This will take time, 11 new players in, no matter how well seasoned they are, will need time to fit into Paolo's ethos of this club. There have been some poor results, but overall the movement is in the right direction and the squad IS getting better. Not the finished article, as noted a few days ago, but boy, when they are, hold on to your hats.
In Paolo we trust.
London Red
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11:35am Thu 20 Sep 12
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Here's a comment from above: "Sorry Paolo! without a good size wage budget!Paolo would have failed in League2"
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There is no other way to take that comment other than anybody in the entire world could have won L2 last season as we clearly had the money to do it - it was nothing to do with Fitness, Training, Tatics etc - it was just money money money!
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Wizard have you actually looked at either of those clubs transfer dealings - or just shooting from the hip?
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A 30 second google search brought up that Lambert signed a total of 31 players in his spell 3 year spell - so about 11 a season - hardly a small number of signings
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Don't forget he also spent big on players like a certain McNamee - only then to hardly play him and release him on a free!
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Another revealed that since 2010/11 his first full season 48 have come in and 57 have gone out!
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That is actually probably under his total as he signed in time for the Jan 2010 window which was not uincluded above
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So it appears they are right up there with a similar number of deals!
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But also lets not forget PdC repeatidly said - he was in a position where not many Brits wanted to coem to L2 - Poyet and Lambert never had to face that situation!
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So he had to gamble more in the foreign market - something we are not seein now we are back in L1!!!!!
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Look at this year - all our perm summer signings are deemed top quality - comments like they would walk into any other L1 side comes from other managers not just us fans!
London Red
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11:37am Thu 20 Sep 12
the wizard
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11:46am Thu 20 Sep 12
I'm looking at Caniomans agent fees, the release fee's , signing on fees and so on, and also the fact that in many ways we are a modest club. Also you skirted the point why some managers will not send their players here because of Caniomans outbursts.
I'm all for the right player at the right time to do a job, but despite all his good points and wanton desire to do well, he is hardly subtle about it, and it may be his way, but I don't see other Italian managers in this country having quite the number of "falling out" with players as he does. If they do they keep it in the dressing room, all apart form Tevez and Mancini perhaps, but then again most view Tevez as a liability anyway, his record underlines that, controversy everywhere he has been one way and another, much the same as Canioman to a point. Tevez on loan maybe, couldn't see that lasting could you ?
mike1990
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12:33pm Thu 20 Sep 12
the wizard wrote:Spot on Wizard,remember PDC wouldn't sign a new contract until he knew the budget was up and the board wanted to go for promotion and that they backed him with money,any manager can fail with money,but some succed without much,Stevenage have done it on 2,500 gates and a low wage bill,i'd like to see PDC manage on their budget.then we'd see if he can manage without money.
LR,
I'm looking at Caniomans agent fees, the release fee's , signing on fees and so on, and also the fact that in many ways we are a modest club. Also you skirted the point why some managers will not send their players here because of Caniomans outbursts.
I'm all for the right player at the right time to do a job, but despite all his good points and wanton desire to do well, he is hardly subtle about it, and it may be his way, but I don't see other Italian managers in this country having quite the number of "falling out" with players as he does. If they do they keep it in the dressing room, all apart form Tevez and Mancini perhaps, but then again most view Tevez as a liability anyway, his record underlines that, controversy everywhere he has been one way and another, much the same as Canioman to a point. Tevez on loan maybe, couldn't see that lasting could you ?
London Red
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12:37pm Thu 20 Sep 12
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Or Lambert signed up 31 players without spending a penny?
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Total Nonsence!
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You claimed he signed way more than 2 others managers I identified as up and coming mangers who have had money behind them
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I have now clearly proven that to be wrong - so why try and change the arguement - especially as it still will not stack up
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Both Norwich and Brighton have paid well well more than us in transfer fees - PdC has not gone over a million - in each of the others cases they have signed one a single player for around that amount!
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What's Italian got to do with it anyway?
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Does being Portuguese count?
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The spanish media claim Jose is discriminating unfairly with public criticism of the Sapnish players only!
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Also there are lots of maangers who have just as many bust ups in this country too (by the way I only count the real ones not the fans "ones") - its just not news worthy for some lower down the leagues that people don't follow it
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Whatley at Preston has had far more! Yet no coverage!
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If Tevez can be discarded then so can Clarke who is a total liability! That is everywhere too not just here!
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What about Kerrouche - who kept up his career long record of never staying anywhere more than a few months?
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Also did you miss Manchini slating Hart the other day then for a post match comment which was true?
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PdC has never done anything like that!
mallorca
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1:14pm Thu 20 Sep 12
hewsbury/Portsmout.Y
es he has been fortunate to have the budget and backing from the Board.
Hats off to the Pompey Boss and what a decent gate for a mid week game,there we were cruising for 80 Mins the got a shock.
Still feel all is not well at the CG and to talk about more players poor old.JW
Just hope it does not all end in tears.Pdc has some good points and bad ones and like all fans just wish this falling out publicy with players would stop,OK behind closed doors he is the BOSS.
Wish town well on Sat
mallorca
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1:14pm Thu 20 Sep 12
hewsbury/Portsmout.Y
es he has been fortunate to have the budget and backing from the Board.
Hats off to the Pompey Boss and what a decent gate for a mid week game,there we were cruising for 80 Mins the got a shock.
Still feel all is not well at the CG and to talk about more players poor old.JW
Just hope it does not all end in tears.Pdc has some good points and bad ones and like all fans just wish this falling out publicy with players would stop,OK behind closed doors he is the BOSS.
Wish town well on Sat
RamsburyRed
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1:29pm Thu 20 Sep 12
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The mistakes are fewer, in fact this summer's recruits certainly fit the bill from a quality perspective.
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However, I hate to say this but I think Norwich and Brighton are bigger clubs and can afford the expenditure more readily than we can. I don't know about their financial structure but the problems we have (hamstrung by lack of additional revenue, all to do with the Couny Ground) are well known.
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The board and investors are the unsung heroes of this club. I still haven't recovered from seeing the amount we paid in agent's fees last season - a significant burden for a business with our level of turnover. The accounts made very sobering reading, we should be very grateful for the financial support of the backers.
SeanG92
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3:06pm Thu 20 Sep 12
mallorca wrote:“It is strange because Di Canio is tough, Di Canio is too mad, Di Canio is a dictator and don’t let the player speak. Di Canio treats them as a slave but nobody wants to leave,”
Yes Wizard spot on How would Pdc have coped at Stevenage/Tranmere/S
hewsbury/Portsmout.Y
es he has been fortunate to have the budget and backing from the Board.
Hats off to the Pompey Boss and what a decent gate for a mid week game,there we were cruising for 80 Mins the got a shock.
Still feel all is not well at the CG and to talk about more players poor old.JW
Just hope it does not all end in tears.Pdc has some good points and bad ones and like all fans just wish this falling out publicy with players would stop,OK behind closed doors he is the BOSS.
Wish town well on Sat
the wizard
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3:33pm Thu 20 Sep 12
Wind yer neck in. We are a modest club compared to both Norwich and Brighton, and although we have money I doubt if we have the overall backing of those two clubs. Norwich now in the Prem and Brighton with their millions in the CCC and a new ground to boot.. It was you that named those two clubs as a "for instance". The number of public outbursts by Canioman and his general disposition will be reported due to the persona of the man, he has always been controversial. If you study the guy he spends about half the game with his back to play remonstrating with the rest of the bench, his body language towards players on the pitch at times is hardly inspiring at times, in fact another poster eluded in the last few days its downright frightening, what message does that send out.
Getting back to the main article, he still needs to do more for himself, his image as seen by others and how he is perceived by others before the depth of his sincerity is to be taken seriously. To many he is something of a ranting joke, hard to believe, well perhaps you need to stand back take a breath and have a look. We all know the depth of his qualities to a point, but its how he is seen by others and that is what limits who comes here and who doesn't, and he has said that in not so many words above.
Perhaps it would be better if the club issued press statements at times when he is wound up, as opposed to yet another name and shame game in the daily press. He only has himself to blame. Nice guy, flawed genius and mis understood, could do more to help himself. Must do better this term.
Oi Den!
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3:40pm Thu 20 Sep 12
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Why don't you just accept the fact that other managers in the lower divisions have nowhere near the luxury of what PDC gets as a budget at STFC? It's not heresy to point this out; it's facing reality. Sometimes I think you would have all realists burnt at the stake.
London Red
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3:42pm Thu 20 Sep 12
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Must do better?????
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Yeah I agree we should have had the JPT in our cabinet - shame on you PdC
mike1990
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3:55pm Thu 20 Sep 12
London Red wrote:Got a new name for the poster formerly named as London Red.....Swindon Town's minister of Propaganda LOL...
1 season as a manager - 1 League title, 1 Cup final, 1 Manager of the year award
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Must do better?????
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Yeah I agree we should have had the JPT in our cabinet - shame on you PdC
SeanG92
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4:04pm Thu 20 Sep 12
London Red wrote:Plus the wins against Wigan, Huddersfield, and Bristol City. (And stoke and Brighton this season)
1 season as a manager - 1 League title, 1 Cup final, 1 Manager of the year award
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Must do better?????
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Yeah I agree we should have had the JPT in our cabinet - shame on you PdC
RamsburyRed
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4:12pm Thu 20 Sep 12
mike1990
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4:14pm Thu 20 Sep 12
SeanG92 wrote:Plus the only manager in Swindon's long proud history,to lose 3 on trot to the pox.
London Red wrote:Plus the wins against Wigan, Huddersfield, and Bristol City. (And stoke and Brighton this season)
1 season as a manager - 1 League title, 1 Cup final, 1 Manager of the year award
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Must do better?????
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Yeah I agree we should have had the JPT in our cabinet - shame on you PdC
Wilesy
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4:17pm Thu 20 Sep 12
mike1990 wrote:Statistically Paolo has done very well and has brought the club success. That cannot be denied.
London Red wrote: 1 season as a manager - 1 League title, 1 Cup final, 1 Manager of the year award . Must do better????? . Yeah I agree we should have had the JPT in our cabinet - shame on you PdCGot a new name for the poster formerly named as London Red.....Swindon Town's minister of Propaganda LOL...
His public persona though at times leaves him wide open to massive criticism - I don't think that can be denied either.
At times I cringe when he goes off on one in a post match interview.
Time will tell I guess but I do hope things get reined in a bit.
dreamofacleansheet2
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4:29pm Thu 20 Sep 12
Yes it's his over the top Italian way and yes for Den to rightly point out that we may not get players as a result is disappointing. However he has plenty of players, has been backed to the hilt by the board and is to my mind doing a brilliant job. Let's just say the positives out weigh the negatives.
I'm not saying he's perfect, far from it but as J Wray said in his interview he wanted a manager to bring discipline and passion after and I use his words not mine "the wet towel" that had been here before.
I honestly couldn't give a flying pig about what our friends up the road or anywhere else think. We are playing some of the best football I've seen as a Town fan and I'm as you all know genuinely optimistic about the future. Part of that is I can't see other clubs touching him because of his press persona - flipping delighted - long may he stay here and deliver memorable performances and Championships. In ten years time I'll doubt many will remember Orient at home but Stoke will still be a "I was there" moment, as hopefully will Tuesday against Burnley be!
Back to back to back promotions coming.
Rebel_phish
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4:36pm Thu 20 Sep 12
They are as follows: -
Richie Barker (Crawley Town)
Gary Johnson (Yeovil Town)
Ronnie Moore (Tranmere Rovers)
Can't understand why Paolo ain't there.
Crawley.
LC1 - D with Milwall won on pens
L1 W-L-W
LC2 - W against Bolton
Yeovil
LC1 - W against Colchester
L1 D-W-W
LC2 - L to W Brom
Tranmere
LC1 - W against Chesterfield
L1 - W-W-D
LC2 - L to A Villa
Swindon
LC1 - W against Brighton
L1 D-W-W
LC2 - W against Stoke.
Paolo's stats for August are as good as the nominated ones, if not better, with the performaces against Brighton, Stoke and Crawley.
I though he would have had MOM nailed on, Hence our dip in form for September.
Rebel_phish
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4:40pm Thu 20 Sep 12
On the basis that Manager of the month is a poisoned chalis, must be nailed on for Gary Johnson to win it. Won 1 and lost 3 in the league for Sept.
Is that you Lovesey
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4:40pm Thu 20 Sep 12
I absolutely love Paolo, last year away trips to Northampton and especialy Bradford, dont come around like that all the time.
We are in my oppinion in a very enjoyable and golden era at this club, I am personaly loving every minute and I wouldn't swap our charismatic, slightly mad manager for anyone...
Rebel_phish
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4:43pm Thu 20 Sep 12
I honestly couldn't give a flying pig about what our friends up the road or anywhere else think. We are playing some of the best football I've seen as a Town fan and I'm as you all know genuinely optimistic about the future. Part of that is I can't see other clubs touching him because of his press persona - flipping delighted - long may he stay here and deliver memorable performances and Championships. In ten years time I'll doubt many will remember Orient at home but Stoke will still be a "I was there" moment, as hopefully will Tuesday against Burnley be!
My sentiments exactly.
SeanG92
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4:53pm Thu 20 Sep 12
Okay he goes over the top sometimes, but that's the Italian nature, and Id much rather have Paolo than some manager who sits there arms crossed for 90mins and makes you turn of the radio mid press conference due to the danger of you falling asleep.
Paolo is riveting, he gets people talking, he keeps people interested and he is bringing success and indeed publicity to our club. I often go to both north wales and up to scotland and pretty much everyone with an interest in football now knows about Swindon town and Paolo Di Canio. That is a fantastic thing to be able to say about our club.
the wizard
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5:06pm Thu 20 Sep 12
I don't think there is any doubting his success last season, or maybe yet in this, but as he said in the original article, players get lent out elsewhere and not here, maybe like an "old boys pact", and if you aren't in that pact then you don't get the players. Well to a point I can sympathise with that, but his PR doesn't do him any favours.
On the other side of the coin, I cannot remember another Town manager having the luxury of such backing, or as many players in such a small space of time comparatively
I'm sure a certain Mr Ling and his buddy would just love the money and throughput of players to get Turkey out of L2, as was stated here by someone else.
I have no illusion that Canioman will get this lot tickin and tockin along the way, but he must learn that when in Britain do as the British see as acceptable, and part of that is not playing the name and shame game in public, amongst other things. It has and will continue to come back and haunt him, and if I were a Premiership manager I might not want to risk a potential star of the future becoming "damaged goods" because due to his youth and inexperience he got hog tied in public at STFC. I think that answers the original article, and I'll leave the mathematicians and statisticians to do the rest as in my opinion figures can be presented in many ways dependant on what you want to show or hide. I stand by what I said about the fees associated with players coming, going, being paid off and contracts terminated over the months since he has been here. I also accept what was pointed out, by him not signing again until he saw the budgets. If we were already in the CCC would Wray be so happy in being held to such a ransom ? or would he settle for somebody more, let us say, conventional. Big question and we will never know the answer, although I'll bet somebody thinks they do.
London Red
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5:07pm Thu 20 Sep 12
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How much did Shrews and Exter actually want to see us fork out upto £640k before any sell on!
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Think we should have taken Torquay there for Billy and demanded the £20k PdC quoted in Jan - we may well have ended up somewhere in the 6 figure mark!
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Still if we make it to the Premiership - the £420k for Troy will be a bargain - especially when the £90m payday follows :)
SeanG92
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5:11pm Thu 20 Sep 12
London Red
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5:21pm Thu 20 Sep 12
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How many times does it have to be said - PdC budget is NO LARGER than Wilson's!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Shall I repeat that again so it actually sinks in - PdC budget is NO LARGER than Wilson's
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We know this year's is about £4m - PdC let this slip and the Accounts from previous years clearly show Wilson having £3.9m
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Also PdC has not spent anywhere near the amount Wilson did in transfer fees - or have you forgotten the £1m spent in our relegation season alone - Plus he spent more before that too!
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Yes he has more budget than cr@ppy little clubs in this league - but so did Wilson and so does others in this league
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But also like Wilson our budget will be dwarfed by other massive teams knocking about - despite Sheff U's problems I very much doubt Wilson is operating on our tax bill!
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Preston have also thrown money about left right and centre as we know Holmes in on over £6k and got a min of £100k signing on bonus
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I still can't believe some of our own fans sound like the jealous managers from other clubs!
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Stop belittling his achievements - that is why I mentioned the likes of norwich and Brighton
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They too have money and plenty of it - yet no one turns around and says Poyet and Lambert only are good due to Money - what would they do at Stevenage
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If you are not happy go to the CG and PdC will personally refund you your ST money!!!
London Red
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5:22pm Thu 20 Sep 12
Wilesy
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5:47pm Thu 20 Sep 12
London Red wrote:No wonder Troy is first choice CB with Macca when fit!
Jesus Christ as anyone seen the Tribunal's findings? . How much did Shrews and Exter actually want to see us fork out upto £640k before any sell on! . Think we should have taken Torquay there for Billy and demanded the £20k PdC quoted in Jan - we may well have ended up somewhere in the 6 figure mark! . Still if we make it to the Premiership - the £420k for Troy will be a bargain - especially when the £90m payday follows :)
Interesting talk of 'reaching the Premiership' - first time I can recall the word even being mentioned in terms of the club's ambition.
Not saying it is even realistically achievable, but could it happen?! Can we dream?
DarrenSTFCRomain
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5:53pm Thu 20 Sep 12
London Red wrote:How would PDC personally refund you your ST money!!!....
So you can't rember as far back as 2 years then Wiz? . How many times does it have to be said - PdC budget is NO LARGER than Wilson's!!!!!!!!!!!! , Shall I repeat that again so it actually sinks in - PdC budget is NO LARGER than Wilson's . We know this year's is about £4m - PdC let this slip and the Accounts from previous years clearly show Wilson having £3.9m . Also PdC has not spent anywhere near the amount Wilson did in transfer fees - or have you forgotten the £1m spent in our relegation season alone - Plus he spent more before that too! . Yes he has more budget than cr@ppy little clubs in this league - but so did Wilson and so does others in this league . But also like Wilson our budget will be dwarfed by other massive teams knocking about - despite Sheff U's problems I very much doubt Wilson is operating on our tax bill! . Preston have also thrown money about left right and centre as we know Holmes in on over £6k and got a min of £100k signing on bonus . I still can't believe some of our own fans sound like the jealous managers from other clubs! . Stop belittling his achievements - that is why I mentioned the likes of norwich and Brighton . They too have money and plenty of it - yet no one turns around and says Poyet and Lambert only are good due to Money - what would they do at Stevenage . If you are not happy go to the CG and PdC will personally refund you your ST money!!!
Oi Den!
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6:03pm Thu 20 Sep 12
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As for your talk of "crappy little clubs", isn't that just an insult to football fans in general? Will you be happy to describe us a crappy little club in the Premier League if we get there again? Or will you be saying how hard it is for a club of our size to compete with the big boys (a bit like Abbot and Appleton have said in the last few days)? I know which I will be saying - and I suspect you will be in agreement.
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One last question: If PDC had joined one of our rivals instead of us and he succeeded with the same backing as he's received here, would you not have been saying "Oh yes, he's doing well but look at the resources they've given him!"?
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This is not about doubting PDC. It's about recognising that, as well as being a successful manager, he's a very lucky one. No more and no less than that.
Malkym
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6:15pm Thu 20 Sep 12
Wiz - why must PdC (where the fcuk has "Canioman" suddenly come from ffs!! PMSL!!) " learn that when in Britain do as the British see as acceptable" I say thank god for his individulism -for him cocking a snook on occasions at the stuffed shirt FL/FA on occasions. ("They can send me to the stands every week...etc.."). More like "when in England do as in Rome" for me!
To the stiff upper lip English establishment he is of course the "mad latin" who rants and raves and throws his toys out of the pram when aggrieved.
So time to vote folks do we want " The Volatile Volcano" or do we want someone like " Mr Foldy Arms" Well its Mr. VV for me over Mr. Sweet FA any day!!
dreamofacleansheet2
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6:22pm Thu 20 Sep 12
Wilesy - Can we dream? To paraphrase Martin Luther King "I have a dream that we keep clean sheets too.
I have a dream we get promoted this year as Champions from Division 1.
I have a dream we get promoted to the Premiership next season".
You bet we can dream!
Back to back to back promotions coming.
Wilesy
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6:33pm Thu 20 Sep 12
dreamofacleansheet2 wrote:I have that dream too, but when I remember our £4 million playing budget would just about buy Andy Carroll's ponytail, I wake up quickly lol!
SeanG92 well spotted about the Premiership clause!
Wilesy - Can we dream? To paraphrase Martin Luther King "I have a dream that we keep clean sheets too.
I have a dream we get promoted this year as Champions from Division 1.
I have a dream we get promoted to the Premiership next season".
You bet we can dream!
Back to back to back promotions coming.
Oi Den!
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7:36pm Thu 20 Sep 12
Malkym wrote:I refer the honourable gentleman to my previous post. No guilt complex at all. I'm very glad about it. You've hit the nail on the head though mate: "within reason he can spend what he likes". Being the manager at STFC is a very enviable position. And PDC is no fool. He simply wouldn't have taken a job where survival was the limit of the club's aspirations and resources and - let's be honest - where he knows he would be likely to fall flat on his face. STFC and PDC are a very good match right now - and lucky to have each other.
Lol can't believe folks getting worked up about Pdc's budget-so its a "big" one in comparison to many other similar sized clubs - why are some wringing their hands with what almost seems like a guilt complex because within reason he can spend what he likes? Good! says I gives us "lots of clout int market lad"
Wiz - why must PdC (where the fcuk has "Canioman" suddenly come from ffs!! PMSL!!) " learn that when in Britain do as the British see as acceptable" I say thank god for his individulism -for him cocking a snook on occasions at the stuffed shirt FL/FA on occasions. ("They can send me to the stands every week...etc.."). More like "when in England do as in Rome" for me!
To the stiff upper lip English establishment he is of course the "mad latin" who rants and raves and throws his toys out of the pram when aggrieved.
So time to vote folks do we want " The Volatile Volcano" or do we want someone like " Mr Foldy Arms" Well its Mr. VV for me over Mr. Sweet FA any day!!
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Have to say that your last point is not worthy of you. It's not time to vote. There's no argument, no vacancy and there's no point in making the comparison with Wilson. I give our board more credit than to believe they would appoint someone like him if PDC were to leave.
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Pre-match pint in the Grove on Saturday or Tuesday?
London Red
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7:38pm Thu 20 Sep 12
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Yes a budget helps, yes the fact the board assisted him with early mistakes help - but he still has to put he hours in, train, motivate and organise them into the machine they became and he deserves credit for that
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Would I moan at him elsewhere - no I have praised the likes of Poyet, Lambert and Adkins and longed for a manager like that until PdC came to town
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Why because like here yes they had money but that doesn't buy success - ask Leeds and Huddersfield who took years to go up!
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I know we will struggle to cut it in the Championship against clubs like Birmingham, Wolves and Blackburn etc - though I won't complain we don't have £10m+ budgets and ability to spend £8m on a player - I'll look at where we are in comparison and judge us on that
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If we do better than them great if not - oh well it's to be expected
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4th from bottom in the Championship should be seen as a success to start with and build from there!
Oi Den!
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7:45pm Thu 20 Sep 12
Wilesy wrote:Ah yes, Wilesy - that'll be because we're a crappy little club. Seriously though, I don't see why we can't get to the Premier League again within a few years. Not that I'd be bothered if I never see us there again though. It's a world of endless whingeing by managers, over-analysis by "experts", grotesque amounts of money being thrown around and total control by television. Apart from that, it's marvellous.
dreamofacleansheet2 wrote:I have that dream too, but when I remember our £4 million playing budget would just about buy Andy Carroll's ponytail, I wake up quickly lol!
SeanG92 well spotted about the Premiership clause!
Wilesy - Can we dream? To paraphrase Martin Luther King "I have a dream that we keep clean sheets too.
I have a dream we get promoted this year as Champions from Division 1.
I have a dream we get promoted to the Premiership next season".
You bet we can dream!
Back to back to back promotions coming.
mike1990
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7:53pm Thu 20 Sep 12
London Red wrote:Well,Well,Well how arrogant to call well run clubs,Cr@py little clubs,but those Cr@py little clubs(as you call them)are one and two in our league and unbeaten and have half the wage budget of Emperor Paolo who is going to cost the board a load more dosh,after the tribunal ruling today,also arrogant to say go get a refund from PDC,very arrogant indeed London Red..
So you can't rember as far back as 2 years then Wiz?
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How many times does it have to be said - PdC budget is NO LARGER than Wilson's!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Shall I repeat that again so it actually sinks in - PdC budget is NO LARGER than Wilson's
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We know this year's is about £4m - PdC let this slip and the Accounts from previous years clearly show Wilson having £3.9m
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Also PdC has not spent anywhere near the amount Wilson did in transfer fees - or have you forgotten the £1m spent in our relegation season alone - Plus he spent more before that too!
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Yes he has more budget than cr@ppy little clubs in this league - but so did Wilson and so does others in this league
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But also like Wilson our budget will be dwarfed by other massive teams knocking about - despite Sheff U's problems I very much doubt Wilson is operating on our tax bill!
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Preston have also thrown money about left right and centre as we know Holmes in on over £6k and got a min of £100k signing on bonus
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I still can't believe some of our own fans sound like the jealous managers from other clubs!
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Stop belittling his achievements - that is why I mentioned the likes of norwich and Brighton
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They too have money and plenty of it - yet no one turns around and says Poyet and Lambert only are good due to Money - what would they do at Stevenage
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If you are not happy go to the CG and PdC will personally refund you your ST money!!!
Malkym
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8:03pm Thu 20 Sep 12
Oi Den! wrote:Saturday -no probs - "vote" bit was slightly tongue in cheek Denzil :) my poor attempt to say really that if hypothetically DW was still our manager and had achieved exactly the same results as Paolo I don't think I would have already gone to two away games and got my tickets for B'mth, Burnley & Colch'tr because of the PdC effect hence my volcano analogy..I'll get me coat!! :
Malkym wrote: Lol can't believe folks getting worked up about Pdc's budget-so its a "big" one in comparison to many other similar sized clubs - why are some wringing their hands with what almost seems like a guilt complex because within reason he can spend what he likes? Good! says I gives us "lots of clout int market lad" Wiz - why must PdC (where the fcuk has "Canioman" suddenly come from ffs!! PMSL!!) " learn that when in Britain do as the British see as acceptable" I say thank god for his individulism -for him cocking a snook on occasions at the stuffed shirt FL/FA on occasions. ("They can send me to the stands every week...etc.."). More like "when in England do as in Rome" for me! To the stiff upper lip English establishment he is of course the "mad latin" who rants and raves and throws his toys out of the pram when aggrieved. So time to vote folks do we want " The Volatile Volcano" or do we want someone like " Mr Foldy Arms" Well its Mr. VV for me over Mr. Sweet FA any day!!I refer the honourable gentleman to my previous post. No guilt complex at all. I'm very glad about it. You've hit the nail on the head though mate: "within reason he can spend what he likes". Being the manager at STFC is a very enviable position. And PDC is no fool. He simply wouldn't have taken a job where survival was the limit of the club's aspirations and resources and - let's be honest - where he knows he would be likely to fall flat on his face. STFC and PDC are a very good match right now - and lucky to have each other. . Have to say that your last point is not worthy of you. It's not time to vote. There's no argument, no vacancy and there's no point in making the comparison with Wilson. I give our board more credit than to believe they would appoint someone like him if PDC were to leave. . Pre-match pint in the Grove on Saturday or Tuesday?
old town robin
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8:08pm Thu 20 Sep 12
London Red wrote:LR, agree with you, seems like the tribunial came down on the side of the sellers, given we have cover for all positions I can see us playing the options and keeping appearances within the limits of where we are not obliged to hand over more than we have to.
Jesus Christ as anyone seen the Tribunal's findings?
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How much did Shrews and Exter actually want to see us fork out upto £640k before any sell on!
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Think we should have taken Torquay there for Billy and demanded the £20k PdC quoted in Jan - we may well have ended up somewhere in the 6 figure mark!
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Still if we make it to the Premiership - the £420k for Troy will be a bargain - especially when the £90m payday follows :)
the wizard
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8:20pm Thu 20 Sep 12
I don't with any intent belittle his achievements of last season, if I did why was I there for 22 home league games and all the cup games, behind him and the team.
I am well aware of the £4m budget of Wilson and the said £4m budget for this year, but I do think without any malicious thought that it will probably go over, but not by a lot.
The support he has had from Wray extends beyond the balance sheet, and we all know that, and Wray has said as much in his comments on Caniomans behaviour.
Malkym, why not Canioman, he is Canio and his own man, hence Canioman, as Wilson Waffled, twas I that christened him Waffler Wilson.
I think its quite nice and it rolls off the tongue better than three initials. No, I don't want foldy arms either, but a bit of respect doesn't go far amiss, and rollickins in public are really not on, a bit " Sunday morning touchline" by a boys team manager who is suppressed by a domineering wife or mother at home, you know the type, thinks he should be the supervisor at work, but never will be because he has no management skill.
Canioman will go far, once he has learned how to channel a lot of his pent up emotions and explain himself in a more tempered and controlled way. Until then Mount Etna will continue to erupt in the most colourful manner that it does, weekly on the touchline. As long as it doesn't go entirely over the top, long may it continue.
London Red
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9:00pm Thu 20 Sep 12
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However - the season is 46 games long and as we saw last year - it rarely finishes the same as it is after only a handful of games
joey butler
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9:01pm Thu 20 Sep 12
the wizard wrote:Wizard,
LR,
I don't with any intent belittle his achievements of last season, if I did why was I there for 22 home league games and all the cup games, behind him and the team.
I am well aware of the £4m budget of Wilson and the said £4m budget for this year, but I do think without any malicious thought that it will probably go over, but not by a lot.
The support he has had from Wray extends beyond the balance sheet, and we all know that, and Wray has said as much in his comments on Caniomans behaviour.
Malkym, why not Canioman, he is Canio and his own man, hence Canioman, as Wilson Waffled, twas I that christened him Waffler Wilson.
I think its quite nice and it rolls off the tongue better than three initials. No, I don't want foldy arms either, but a bit of respect doesn't go far amiss, and rollickins in public are really not on, a bit " Sunday morning touchline" by a boys team manager who is suppressed by a domineering wife or mother at home, you know the type, thinks he should be the supervisor at work, but never will be because he has no management skill.
Canioman will go far, once he has learned how to channel a lot of his pent up emotions and explain himself in a more tempered and controlled way. Until then Mount Etna will continue to erupt in the most colourful manner that it does, weekly on the touchline. As long as it doesn't go entirely over the top, long may it continue.
You are very, very seriously starting to worry me.
Your long, extensive and increasingly protracted posts make you sound more and more like London Red.
Just look in the mirror perhaps Wizard and tell us who the hell you are please?
I am more than happy to converse with you on here, once you are remotely honest.
Malkym
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9:34pm Thu 20 Sep 12
So on the one hand you're saying he should behave like Mother Teresa but deep down you want Etna to continue to erupt as long as the lava only flows half way down the mountain and spares the village below?
Oi Den!
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10:13pm Thu 20 Sep 12
Malkym wrote:I'm with you all the way on the PDC effect. He's breathed new life into our club. It's just that I don't see why it should be suggested (not just by you)that anyone who dares to question him wants to go back to Wilson/Hart/Malpas. It's a cheap way of avoiding putting a proper counter-argument.
Oi Den! wrote:Saturday -no probs - "vote" bit was slightly tongue in cheek Denzil :) my poor attempt to say really that if hypothetically DW was still our manager and had achieved exactly the same results as Paolo I don't think I would have already gone to two away games and got my tickets for B'mth, Burnley & Colch'tr because of the PdC effect hence my volcano analogy..I'll get me coat!! :
Malkym wrote: Lol can't believe folks getting worked up about Pdc's budget-so its a "big" one in comparison to many other similar sized clubs - why are some wringing their hands with what almost seems like a guilt complex because within reason he can spend what he likes? Good! says I gives us "lots of clout int market lad" Wiz - why must PdC (where the fcuk has "Canioman" suddenly come from ffs!! PMSL!!) " learn that when in Britain do as the British see as acceptable" I say thank god for his individulism -for him cocking a snook on occasions at the stuffed shirt FL/FA on occasions. ("They can send me to the stands every week...etc.."). More like "when in England do as in Rome" for me! To the stiff upper lip English establishment he is of course the "mad latin" who rants and raves and throws his toys out of the pram when aggrieved. So time to vote folks do we want " The Volatile Volcano" or do we want someone like " Mr Foldy Arms" Well its Mr. VV for me over Mr. Sweet FA any day!!I refer the honourable gentleman to my previous post. No guilt complex at all. I'm very glad about it. You've hit the nail on the head though mate: "within reason he can spend what he likes". Being the manager at STFC is a very enviable position. And PDC is no fool. He simply wouldn't have taken a job where survival was the limit of the club's aspirations and resources and - let's be honest - where he knows he would be likely to fall flat on his face. STFC and PDC are a very good match right now - and lucky to have each other. . Have to say that your last point is not worthy of you. It's not time to vote. There's no argument, no vacancy and there's no point in making the comparison with Wilson. I give our board more credit than to believe they would appoint someone like him if PDC were to leave. . Pre-match pint in the Grove on Saturday or Tuesday?
Oi Den!
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10:13pm Thu 20 Sep 12
Malkym wrote:I'm with you all the way on the PDC effect. He's breathed new life into our club. It's just that I don't see why it should be suggested (not just by you)that anyone who dares to question him wants to go back to Wilson/Hart/Malpas. It's a cheap way of avoiding putting a proper counter-argument.
Oi Den! wrote:Saturday -no probs - "vote" bit was slightly tongue in cheek Denzil :) my poor attempt to say really that if hypothetically DW was still our manager and had achieved exactly the same results as Paolo I don't think I would have already gone to two away games and got my tickets for B'mth, Burnley & Colch'tr because of the PdC effect hence my volcano analogy..I'll get me coat!! :
Malkym wrote: Lol can't believe folks getting worked up about Pdc's budget-so its a "big" one in comparison to many other similar sized clubs - why are some wringing their hands with what almost seems like a guilt complex because within reason he can spend what he likes? Good! says I gives us "lots of clout int market lad" Wiz - why must PdC (where the fcuk has "Canioman" suddenly come from ffs!! PMSL!!) " learn that when in Britain do as the British see as acceptable" I say thank god for his individulism -for him cocking a snook on occasions at the stuffed shirt FL/FA on occasions. ("They can send me to the stands every week...etc.."). More like "when in England do as in Rome" for me! To the stiff upper lip English establishment he is of course the "mad latin" who rants and raves and throws his toys out of the pram when aggrieved. So time to vote folks do we want " The Volatile Volcano" or do we want someone like " Mr Foldy Arms" Well its Mr. VV for me over Mr. Sweet FA any day!!I refer the honourable gentleman to my previous post. No guilt complex at all. I'm very glad about it. You've hit the nail on the head though mate: "within reason he can spend what he likes". Being the manager at STFC is a very enviable position. And PDC is no fool. He simply wouldn't have taken a job where survival was the limit of the club's aspirations and resources and - let's be honest - where he knows he would be likely to fall flat on his face. STFC and PDC are a very good match right now - and lucky to have each other. . Have to say that your last point is not worthy of you. It's not time to vote. There's no argument, no vacancy and there's no point in making the comparison with Wilson. I give our board more credit than to believe they would appoint someone like him if PDC were to leave. . Pre-match pint in the Grove on Saturday or Tuesday?
Oi Den!
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10:15pm Thu 20 Sep 12
Malkym
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10:50pm Thu 20 Sep 12
See you Sat matey!
southside7
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11:00pm Thu 20 Sep 12
cumbrianinswindon
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11:56pm Thu 20 Sep 12
London Red wrote:Carlisle fan here London Red. must say- was impressed with your team on saturday-if not your club. Your town has a population of 200 000 yet you only pull 8000 into the CG. Big Deal !. Without the money men behind Wray, where would you be?.
This is clearly a response to recent comments by the likes of bbott who claim we pay more in tax than he does in wages! . The clear message here (which even our own fans seem to not get!) is PdC is highlighting that our wage budget this season is no larger than it was for Wilson . So why were people not complaining that Swindon were powerhouse of L1 2, 3 and 4 seasons ago???? . He then is simply pointing out that even though they may have a smaller budget (probalby as they have no fans!) they are still able to prosper as they are able to snap up certain loanees we are unable to - and these are good good players . I know they are not in L1 (yet) but Posh are a prome example where they get Man U players no other club can! . I'm sorry but claiming PdC only did well due to money is total noncense! . If that was the case the likes of Leeds, Huddersfield, Cardiff etc would all gone straight up as they have larger budgets than most - yet all have struggled . As other decent managers have said - yes a budget helps - but it is in no way a guarantee - you still have to spend it wisely, attact good players, manage those players and get them playing as a team - all those parts are beyond money . Like it or not - he may have had a few fallings out and made a few mistakes - but he certain has excelled at forming an exciting group, who work their knackers off for each other and are all improving as players under him and his team . What next Poyet is a cack manager and only a success as Brighton gave him money? Lambert only did anything due to the cash he had at Norwich?
Greg Abbott was spot on with what he said. Di Canio has had the pick of the crop and good luck to him and Swindon. But that doesnt give you the right to sneer at clubs who are just as well run as Swindon but who lack the a board with the same financial muscle.
BTW- Greg Abbott played at Valley parade for Bradford and saw people getting burnt, killed and maimed in the Bradford fire. He is also League One's longest serving manager and produced a team that finished 8th in League One as well as winning the JPT in 2011- all on a very small budget .
Greg's a good manager-full stop. PDC is also a good manager but he's unproven...without a big budget. Try to understand that not all clubs can afford to lose 1 million + for the past 2 season's in a row
the don69
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9:34am Fri 21 Sep 12
cumbrianinswindon wrote:Take no notice of LR Cumbrian!he thinks he's a know it all and knows>F*ck all!!!!!!!!LOL!!!!!!
London Red wrote:Carlisle fan here London Red. must say- was impressed with your team on saturday-if not your club. Your town has a population of 200 000 yet you only pull 8000 into the CG. Big Deal !. Without the money men behind Wray, where would you be?.
This is clearly a response to recent comments by the likes of bbott who claim we pay more in tax than he does in wages! . The clear message here (which even our own fans seem to not get!) is PdC is highlighting that our wage budget this season is no larger than it was for Wilson . So why were people not complaining that Swindon were powerhouse of L1 2, 3 and 4 seasons ago???? . He then is simply pointing out that even though they may have a smaller budget (probalby as they have no fans!) they are still able to prosper as they are able to snap up certain loanees we are unable to - and these are good good players . I know they are not in L1 (yet) but Posh are a prome example where they get Man U players no other club can! . I'm sorry but claiming PdC only did well due to money is total noncense! . If that was the case the likes of Leeds, Huddersfield, Cardiff etc would all gone straight up as they have larger budgets than most - yet all have struggled . As other decent managers have said - yes a budget helps - but it is in no way a guarantee - you still have to spend it wisely, attact good players, manage those players and get them playing as a team - all those parts are beyond money . Like it or not - he may have had a few fallings out and made a few mistakes - but he certain has excelled at forming an exciting group, who work their knackers off for each other and are all improving as players under him and his team . What next Poyet is a cack manager and only a success as Brighton gave him money? Lambert only did anything due to the cash he had at Norwich?
Greg Abbott was spot on with what he said. Di Canio has had the pick of the crop and good luck to him and Swindon. But that doesnt give you the right to sneer at clubs who are just as well run as Swindon but who lack the a board with the same financial muscle.
BTW- Greg Abbott played at Valley parade for Bradford and saw people getting burnt, killed and maimed in the Bradford fire. He is also League One's longest serving manager and produced a team that finished 8th in League One as well as winning the JPT in 2011- all on a very small budget .
Greg's a good manager-full stop. PDC is also a good manager but he's unproven...without a big budget. Try to understand that not all clubs can afford to lose 1 million + for the past 2 season's in a row
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the wizard
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10:42am Fri 21 Sep 12
His loyalty to managers, good, bad or indifferent is beyond question, and is very "dyed in the grain" Town supporter.
Even when he is wrong he is still right in his eyes, but it wouldn't do for us all to be the same. I'm hoping he will mellow with age, but its doubtful I'll see it in the remainder of my lifetime.
Swindon1984
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11:03am Fri 21 Sep 12
cumbrianinswindon wrote:Not quite sure what's ratteld your cage here - we pull around 8000 into the County Ground from a population of around 200,000 - we probably should remember with the massive expansion of the town in the past few years, and the influx of people that brings from around the country, lots of people live here without supporting the town (your good self included, guessing by the username).
London Red wrote: This is clearly a response to recent comments by the likes of bbott who claim we pay more in tax than he does in wages! . The clear message here (which even our own fans seem to not get!) is PdC is highlighting that our wage budget this season is no larger than it was for Wilson . So why were people not complaining that Swindon were powerhouse of L1 2, 3 and 4 seasons ago???? . He then is simply pointing out that even though they may have a smaller budget (probalby as they have no fans!) they are still able to prosper as they are able to snap up certain loanees we are unable to - and these are good good players . I know they are not in L1 (yet) but Posh are a prome example where they get Man U players no other club can! . I'm sorry but claiming PdC only did well due to money is total noncense! . If that was the case the likes of Leeds, Huddersfield, Cardiff etc would all gone straight up as they have larger budgets than most - yet all have struggled . As other decent managers have said - yes a budget helps - but it is in no way a guarantee - you still have to spend it wisely, attact good players, manage those players and get them playing as a team - all those parts are beyond money . Like it or not - he may have had a few fallings out and made a few mistakes - but he certain has excelled at forming an exciting group, who work their knackers off for each other and are all improving as players under him and his team . What next Poyet is a cack manager and only a success as Brighton gave him money? Lambert only did anything due to the cash he had at Norwich?Carlisle fan here London Red. must say- was impressed with your team on saturday-if not your club. Your town has a population of 200 000 yet you only pull 8000 into the CG. Big Deal !. Without the money men behind Wray, where would you be?. Greg Abbott was spot on with what he said. Di Canio has had the pick of the crop and good luck to him and Swindon. But that doesnt give you the right to sneer at clubs who are just as well run as Swindon but who lack the a board with the same financial muscle. BTW- Greg Abbott played at Valley parade for Bradford and saw people getting burnt, killed and maimed in the Bradford fire. He is also League One's longest serving manager and produced a team that finished 8th in League One as well as winning the JPT in 2011- all on a very small budget . Greg's a good manager-full stop. PDC is also a good manager but he's unproven...without a big budget. Try to understand that not all clubs can afford to lose 1 million + for the past 2 season's in a row
Carlisle has a population around 80,000 and averages less than 3500. Proportionally you get a few more per population in than us. Who really cares? But as clearly want to make an issue of it, in terms of percentage of the capacity of a League 1 ground filled in any given week, guess who's bottom of the league... yep, Carlisle, at just over 20%.
Anyone who knows our club will know our average attendance has consistently remained around the same level for a number of years now - that has nothing to do with who's running the club, and isn't dramatically affected by what division we're in either. Where would we be without Wray? Quite possibly still in League 2, we're glad we have him, and don't take it for granted given our problems in recent years.
You're accusing LR of snearing at clubs without the same financial muscle, yet you're snearing at Swindon's level of support, and unless I'm mistaken, the town itself - well **** me it can't be that bad, you chose to live here after all, right?
As for Greg Abbot being at Valley Parade during that tragic event, not quite sure what's it got to do with anything that's been said on this thread so far. Seems unnecessary to mention it.
Yes, Carlisle have done well to compete in league 1 considering lack of investment and low gates and no-one wants to take that away from you, but you seem determined to rain on our parade and achievements at the same time. Sour grapes my friend.
London Red
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11:29am Fri 21 Sep 12
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It all comes back to "you have more money - so its not fair"
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That's why I mentioned Poyet and Lambert - you can throw in Ferguson Jnr, Clark, Grayson, Adkins and a few others in there too if you want to look at big budgets in L1 compared to Carlisle and Bury!
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We have more money for a reason - our club is an attactive proposition which is why Fitton and Co were attracted here and why PdC was attracted here
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Yes 8k in 200k is low - but that is 192k potential new customers!
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If we go on to establish ourselves in the Championship and redevelop the gorund like Brighton and our gates jump dramtically like Brighton's did
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What did they used to get 3-4k now 16-20k!!!!
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Reading too are another example
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Of course there are fairweathers in the town - there are everywhere (ie Brighton and Reading) - but as you said we have a very good hardcore
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8th highest in L1 when finishing bottom and over 2000 more than everyone (bar Bradford who give a way ST) in League 2 TWICE
Swindon1984
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12:25pm Fri 21 Sep 12
Watford, Barnsley and Millwall have the lowest average gates in the championship at just over ten/eleven a piece, reckon once in the championship we could easily average that. We're a very well supported club, and it winds me up when people trot out the line that it's all down to money - the money doesn't have any great affect on how well the club's supported.
With the shoe on the other foot we could start wondering why, "having finished eigth in league 1 last season and winning the JPT in 2011," Carlisle are still only drawing in around the 4000 mark - potentially the reason why they haven't had the investment Swindon have, as they're a less attractive prospect to investors...
But I personally don't care how other people's clubs are getting on, only my own. I'm certainly not in the business of taking pot shots at other clubs because of their "perceived" wealth. Anyone who does I'm sure has that perception coming from jealousy and nothing else.
mike1990
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12:53pm Fri 21 Sep 12
Swindon1984 wrote:No you don't 84,but London Red calls Stevenage and Tranmere Cr@py little clubs,well their both unbeaten and top and second in league one,working on half the wage budget of Paolo.
And fifth in League 1 - Sheffield United, Pompey, Coventry and Preston have more (ignore the stats for town having a record attendance of 18299, we all remember that **** up!)
Watford, Barnsley and Millwall have the lowest average gates in the championship at just over ten/eleven a piece, reckon once in the championship we could easily average that. We're a very well supported club, and it winds me up when people trot out the line that it's all down to money - the money doesn't have any great affect on how well the club's supported.
With the shoe on the other foot we could start wondering why, "having finished eigth in league 1 last season and winning the JPT in 2011," Carlisle are still only drawing in around the 4000 mark - potentially the reason why they haven't had the investment Swindon have, as they're a less attractive prospect to investors...
But I personally don't care how other people's clubs are getting on, only my own. I'm certainly not in the business of taking pot shots at other clubs because of their "perceived" wealth. Anyone who does I'm sure has that perception coming from jealousy and nothing else.
Oi Den!
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1:13pm Fri 21 Sep 12
mike1990 wrote:That is exactly the point Mike. If those are crappy little clubs compared to us, then we are a crappy little club compared to many others. But it's all nonsense of course. There are no crappy little clubs, just clubs of different sizes with different potential. We should all respect each other. LR takes his defensive "we are always the wronged, never the wrongdoer" defensive line too far, by attacking smaller clubs as "crappy".
Swindon1984 wrote:No you don't 84,but London Red calls Stevenage and Tranmere Cr@py little clubs,well their both unbeaten and top and second in league one,working on half the wage budget of Paolo.
And fifth in League 1 - Sheffield United, Pompey, Coventry and Preston have more (ignore the stats for town having a record attendance of 18299, we all remember that **** up!)
Watford, Barnsley and Millwall have the lowest average gates in the championship at just over ten/eleven a piece, reckon once in the championship we could easily average that. We're a very well supported club, and it winds me up when people trot out the line that it's all down to money - the money doesn't have any great affect on how well the club's supported.
With the shoe on the other foot we could start wondering why, "having finished eigth in league 1 last season and winning the JPT in 2011," Carlisle are still only drawing in around the 4000 mark - potentially the reason why they haven't had the investment Swindon have, as they're a less attractive prospect to investors...
But I personally don't care how other people's clubs are getting on, only my own. I'm certainly not in the business of taking pot shots at other clubs because of their "perceived" wealth. Anyone who does I'm sure has that perception coming from jealousy and nothing else.
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I thought Cumbrian's post was a good one, except that I too couldn't see the point of his reference to the Bradford fire.
London Red
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1:33pm Fri 21 Sep 12
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In fact where did I name any club?
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I didn't - if you and the Carlisle fans assummed I mean them - then surely that is simply your view of those clubs - Not mine!
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I have never thought as Tranmere as a crappy little club - we have had many a battle against them over the years and see them around the same size as us
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Anyway - lots of people will see us as a Cr@ppy little club and thats fine - I don't care
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If other clubs are not cr@ppy why does everyone hate the thought of ever going back into L2 again - surely we should look forward to trips to some lovely small and friendly clubs!
Swindon1984
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1:57pm Fri 21 Sep 12
Oi Den! wrote:Really can't agree at Cumbrian's being a good post, no-one attacked his club or fans directly, Cumbrian did both to us.
mike1990 wrote:That is exactly the point Mike. If those are crappy little clubs compared to us, then we are a crappy little club compared to many others. But it's all nonsense of course. There are no crappy little clubs, just clubs of different sizes with different potential. We should all respect each other. LR takes his defensive "we are always the wronged, never the wrongdoer" defensive line too far, by attacking smaller clubs as "crappy". . I thought Cumbrian's post was a good one, except that I too couldn't see the point of his reference to the Bradford fire.Swindon1984 wrote: And fifth in League 1 - Sheffield United, Pompey, Coventry and Preston have more (ignore the stats for town having a record attendance of 18299, we all remember that **** up!) Watford, Barnsley and Millwall have the lowest average gates in the championship at just over ten/eleven a piece, reckon once in the championship we could easily average that. We're a very well supported club, and it winds me up when people trot out the line that it's all down to money - the money doesn't have any great affect on how well the club's supported. With the shoe on the other foot we could start wondering why, "having finished eigth in league 1 last season and winning the JPT in 2011," Carlisle are still only drawing in around the 4000 mark - potentially the reason why they haven't had the investment Swindon have, as they're a less attractive prospect to investors... But I personally don't care how other people's clubs are getting on, only my own. I'm certainly not in the business of taking pot shots at other clubs because of their "perceived" wealth. Anyone who does I'm sure has that perception coming from jealousy and nothing else.No you don't 84,but London Red calls Stevenage and Tranmere Cr@py little clubs,well their both unbeaten and top and second in league one,working on half the wage budget of Paolo.
Couple that with the irrelevant nonsense at the end and the whole thing made no sense to me.
Agree that we're all just different clubs of different sizes though, and should respect eachother - however respect goes both ways, and if we are to show respect to Carlisle, I'd expect it from them in return.
"Impressed by your team - if not your club," then knocking our attendance figures particularly seemed a bit childish, especially as no-one had said a word against Carlisle as a club at that point.
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10:22pm Fri 21 Sep 12
London Red wrote:It must clearly be the wrong time of the month for you London Red, why not just move on and become 'Oxford Yellow?'
Where did I name Tranmere and Stevenage?
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In fact where did I name any club?
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I didn't - if you and the Carlisle fans assummed I mean them - then surely that is simply your view of those clubs - Not mine!
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I have never thought as Tranmere as a crappy little club - we have had many a battle against them over the years and see them around the same size as us
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Anyway - lots of people will see us as a Cr@ppy little club and thats fine - I don't care
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If other clubs are not cr@ppy why does everyone hate the thought of ever going back into L2 again - surely we should look forward to trips to some lovely small and friendly clubs!
Your comments are diluted by the fact that by your own admission, you rarely get to Swindon Town matches.
What an Oxford Dick you are!!
Swindon1984
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7:39pm Sat 22 Sep 12
London Red says...
6:46am Thu 20 Sep 12
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Though with loanees unless they are here for 6 months+ they are unlikely to buy in - as we saw a fair few times last season - PdC obviously doesn't like that and they don't play/stay so hinders future loans
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For example - no West Ham loanees since Montano
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Still perm players seem to have no issue so Im glad we are not swamped with loanees - less changes over the course of the season